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Sept. 14, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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JRE MMA Show #139 with Bas Rutten
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joe rogan
We're up.
Mr. Rutten, good to see you, sir.
unidentified
Been a while.
joe rogan
It's been a while.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was exciting running into you out here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're a Texas resident.
bas rutten
Texas.
I got a hat and everything.
I need a belt buckle.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Did you get a hat?
I got the boots, and I rode a longhorn.
bas rutten
What was it in this little village here somewhere?
Banderos.
Like a big, big freaking Longhorn.
joe rogan
You got on one of those things?
bas rutten
Oh, I got one.
Yeah, I rode one.
joe rogan
Did they let you ride them or did they try to buck you off?
bas rutten
No, he said this guy is hanging out with kids, like six years old.
unidentified
He's very, very calm.
joe rogan
Those Longhorns are wild, huh?
bas rutten
Dude, it's crazy if you see it.
Giant.
Yeah, everybody, the whole street will stop.
joe rogan
When did you come out here?
bas rutten
July 4th, the 4th of July last year.
Fireworks and everything.
I was in the top building.
We had an apartment for a year, so it must give us time a year to find a home, which we did, so we're probably going to move in next week.
But the top building, it was the park, Landa Park in New Braunfels, where they have the fireworks.
It was nice.
They welcomed me on the 4th of July with the fireworks.
joe rogan
That's nice.
You finally get fed up with California, huh?
bas rutten
Yeah, doesn't everybody?
It's crazy.
joe rogan
I would have never imagined five years ago that there'd be this mass exodus and that most of my friends would live out here now.
It's crazy.
bas rutten
But also Ventura County, where I'm from, it's like Orange County, still the laws are a little bit easier, right?
Then LA, LA. But you know, once it starts getting there, My wife already said for six years, here we gotta go.
This is gonna go wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I was always wanting to get out, but I was so connected to the comedy store that I always felt like, God, I can't leave that place behind.
But then when the pandemic hit, it's like, well, I guess we're not even doing comedy anymore, so fuck it.
Yeah.
bas rutten
Do it here.
And now you got one.
joe rogan
Yeah, now I got one.
Crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
bas rutten
Life has been crazy for you.
joe rogan
The whole thing is crazy.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So are you settling in out here?
Are you enjoying it?
bas rutten
We're loving it.
You know, the people, every single person who comes to visit, you know, is a little bit preserved, you know, with the Texas mentality.
But when they come off the plane is the first thing they say.
Until now, like eight out of eight.
People are so nice here.
It's the first thing they say.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
So I think that we love...
We have a daughter, the middle daughter that I have.
She still is in California.
And she didn't really like Texas, but now she's been here.
And her fiancé, they were here last week.
And I see it with him as well.
He goes, it's really nice here.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's different, and it's also less people.
The less people thing is gigantic.
I don't think you can underestimate that enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I think, or overestimate that enough, because, overstate that enough.
I think that people get too used to too many people, and then they view people as a nuisance.
And out here that hasn't happened.
Out here when people just, they're friendly.
They're just friendly to people.
It's nice.
bas rutten
They're different as well.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they're armed.
bas rutten
That'll help, right?
unidentified
That helps a lot.
bas rutten
It's like on a plane, everybody should get a little baseball bat, you know, when they walk in.
unidentified
I'm going to hijack the plane!
joe rogan
Or a taser.
bas rutten
Or a taser?
joe rogan
Yeah, just tell me.
bas rutten
Yeah, but a taser with me and at the time when I was...
Okay, so a friend of mine, Holbeck Allen, you know from Mindhunter, that actor, he gave me a taser.
So, at my birthday, I open it up, I grab the taser, I put a battery in, I'm looking up, and not a single person is in the room.
Everybody ran out.
unidentified
You see?
bas rutten
Because they think you're going to try it on.
unidentified
Oh, 100%.
bas rutten
Any person I see, I'm going to try it.
unidentified
So I would do that on the plane as well.
It was immediately.
bas rutten
It was the funniest thing ever.
I go, where is everybody?
joe rogan
Did you tase anybody yet?
bas rutten
No, no.
joe rogan
No one?
bas rutten
Not even yourself?
unidentified
No.
bas rutten
I really want to try it.
joe rogan
I would just jab my thigh one time just to see what's up.
bas rutten
Oh, that I did.
I did it even on my head.
Yeah, no, that I did.
But I want to see if because they show it's impossible.
And I might be fooling myself.
I think I can pull them out.
joe rogan
But, you know, I would love to try it.
Some people can take it.
I've watched videos.
There's some people that are on certain drugs.
They just pull those things right out of their body.
I saw one where the cops had to shoot the guy because they tased him and the guy kept coming at him.
And then finally he's like, okay.
bas rutten
You're going to die now.
joe rogan
Bang, bang.
Yeah.
It was crazy, though, because some people just stiffen up.
And they fall down.
And this guy just fucking...
bas rutten
I think I can't mind over matter, but then again, it's...
joe rogan
I don't even know if it's mind over matter.
I don't know.
Maybe it was a weak taser.
Because that's one of the things that a friend of mine told me, and it's actually in a book, it's in one of the Grey Men books, that those tasers are like, especially the personal ones that people have, they vastly overestimate the stopping power of those things.
unidentified
Because girls think, I'm gonna get you with this taser.
joe rogan
Don't get the wrong person, because they might fuck you up even with that.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
It doesn't just debilitate people.
bas rutten
No, if you have a taser you can use 20 times, that's not a good thing.
I'd rather have a taser that you can use only once.
Right, like a bomb.
unidentified
Because the battery is drained afterwards, so you know this thing is going to work.
joe rogan
Yeah, because batteries go dead on flashlights, right?
I'm sure they go dead on tasers, too.
People are running around with all this confidence.
bas rutten
Sure, that's how you create freaking heat, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's nothing substitutes a 9mm.
If you want personal protection, you want a small, like a SIG P365. The Hellcats are very nice.
bas rutten
I got the Shield Smith& Wesson.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bas rutten
The Shield, they're very nice, but they only hold like eight, one in the barrel, you know, and that's the extended mag.
joe rogan
Oh, you're out here now.
I got to get you a Staccato.
Staccato has a CS. It's a very small micro 9mm with, I think it has 15 in the magazine and one in the chamber.
And it's so small, it just fits right in your hand.
bas rutten
I was doing this, I interviewed a guy, I had this thing on Planet Boss, it's called, it's on Muscle of Fitness.
So I interviewed a guy at the shooting range here, McQueen's Gun Club.
And it's amazing, you walk in with the stilettos, how do you call those knives that jump out of the front and back?
joe rogan
Yeah, stilettos.
bas rutten
They're completely legal here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
I go, you can sell them.
I go, yeah, this is Texas, buddy.
I go, oh man, I'm loving it.
joe rogan
Everything is legal here.
bas rutten
Everything is legal, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Literally everything.
You can have concealed carry is just your constitutional right.
Yeah, yeah.
bas rutten
Don't have to get anything.
joe rogan
Amazing how friendly everyone is because of that.
I'm not advocating for that.
I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing.
I'm just saying it's a thing.
bas rutten
Listen, when other people have it...
joe rogan
People are less likely to get crazy.
bas rutten
Yeah, also, but if bad people have it, I want to live in a gun-free society, yeah, as long as they have them, I have them.
joe rogan
Yeah, although there was a very sad story out here where a guy, someone was trying to break into his yard or something like that, or someone climbed his fence, and he went out in his own, I guess someone called the police or he called the police, and he went out into his own yard with an AR. And when the cops saw him, the cops shot him.
bas rutten
Oh, gee.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
In his own fucking backyard.
Yeah.
Very sad.
bas rutten
Yep.
Well, that's a lesson.
Don't walk around with an AR in the middle of the night.
joe rogan
Well, when you see the cops, put that motherfucker down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know what the circumstances were, obviously.
Yeah.
bas rutten
Sad for the family.
unidentified
Yeah.
bas rutten
That's the first thing I think about.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Always.
So, how is karate combat, man?
I love it.
I've been watching a lot.
I saw James Vick fought in karate combat.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And a lot of Glory guys fight in karate combat now.
bas rutten
James just wanted to invite me for hog hunting.
I go, I'm in, dude.
I'm in.
I would love to do that.
I just came back yesterday from Miami.
It was a great show.
joe rogan
I gotta get out to one of these.
bas rutten
You have to.
joe rogan
When is the next one?
bas rutten
June 24th.
joe rogan
Where at?
bas rutten
I think Miami, this one.
It's Miami or Orlando.
joe rogan
Give me an excuse to go back to Miami, because I like Miami.
bas rutten
Man, if you would, because they've been asking for such a long time, you know, it's great.
joe rogan
Maybe I'll take the missus.
bas rutten
You know, if you go June 24th, I'm planning on to take my wife as well.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
bas rutten
Yeah, I want to take her more on trips now, because, you know, all the time, crazy times are over, you know, and let's enjoy a little bit.
joe rogan
Don't you appreciate that now?
bas rutten
So much better.
unidentified
Oh, you can just get on a plane, no mask, everybody's happy.
bas rutten
No, but also with my crazy freaking...
Okay, 15 years ago, you know, I would come home at 8 o'clock in the morning, completely drunk, and at 9 o'clock I got a flight.
Now I'm walking at the airport at 6 in the morning, I go, I'm feeling great.
joe rogan
Sober.
bas rutten
You know, sober.
joe rogan
Sober boss.
bas rutten
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
How long have you been sober for?
bas rutten
Oh, you know, I do drink here and there like a glass of wine or something, but...
Yeah, for a while, I think, for the last five years.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm taking it down to that myself.
I enjoy the marijuana, and I enjoy some other stuff that's safe and effective, but I am pretty much done with heavy drinking.
I had a friend recently that got off the rails drunk, and it was so sad to watch.
He was so debilitated that I was like, I think I might be done.
Yeah.
It was awful.
When you're sober and you see someone just shit-faced, obliterated, can't form sentences.
Yeah.
Terrible for you.
bas rutten
No, it's horrible.
It's horrible.
That's why I don't go to the after parties anymore, which they had here with the last karate combat.
So, yeah, coming back to that, these are just Wall Street guys who started this thing.
joe rogan
Karate combat?
bas rutten
Karate combat.
They wanted to start a boxing thing.
His wife's brother, who doesn't even speak English, said we should start a boxing event or something and maybe we should get these Olympic-level karate cars and do a full contact show.
And he goes, oh, let me Google.
And they started Googling and they realized there's nothing like it.
That's literally how it started.
joe rogan
And then it's when they go to the ground, they can punch them on the ground for 10 seconds?
bas rutten
Is that what it is?
Five seconds?
Yeah, George was with me, George and Pierre.
He's one of the hosts as well as the Wonder Boy, Leo DiBecita.
But he was advocating about three seconds.
I go, why?
Five seconds is already a short time.
I think you need to...
He says, but three, then they probably hit harder.
Whatever his reasoning is.
But, you know...
I don't know.
But it's a great rule to have.
That's first of all.
We haven't seen a knockout yet.
There's takedowns.
You can use the pit.
There's 45 degree angle walls.
So you can literally walk up there and then drop a guy.
joe rogan
Well, you've had knockouts.
bas rutten
Oh, yeah.
We had a lot of knockouts.
joe rogan
What do you mean by you haven't seen a knockout yet?
You mean on the ground?
bas rutten
Ground and pound.
joe rogan
Oh, ground and pound.
No ground and pound knockouts yet.
bas rutten
Not yet.
unidentified
Interesting.
bas rutten
Well, we had Elijah Averill just came in.
He's a point karate guy.
And he was...
I actually have some clips...
He's the guy who trained with Raymond Daniels.
And everybody was speaking about him.
He's going to be great.
Dude, yeah, you're wondering what he says.
joe rogan
Is this him right now?
bas rutten
Okay, so this is the first time.
This is a karate guy on the right.
Abdullah Ibrahim.
And that's Joshua Quahagan.
And he thought he's going to...
unidentified
Oh!
bas rutten
You see?
Karate guys.
joe rogan
Whoa, show that again.
Show that again.
These guys with their hands down like that.
bas rutten
Yep.
joe rogan
Oh, left hook.
bas rutten
Left hook.
joe rogan
Wow.
bas rutten
And then there's another clip there.
joe rogan
They have a Bitcoin logo in the center?
bas rutten
It was at the time, yes.
joe rogan
Oh, these are Wall Street guys.
bas rutten
This is a long time ago.
joe rogan
I love the banked edges, too.
I really do like that.
I don't like the cage.
I feel like it just gets, even in MMA, I feel like it gets in the way of so much.
Look at this.
Boom!
Oh, beautiful left hook.
Over the shoulder.
Didn't even see it coming.
bas rutten
You know, and the great thing is if you fall against a wall, you're not considered to be down.
So you can't do anything to your opponent.
This is down, once you're on the ground ground.
But on the wall, you're still okay.
There's another clip with Elijah Everill.
Here's the guy, the point karate guy.
Okay, watch this.
Yeah, this is good.
You can just hit play right there.
Watch what happens when you go slow.
You'll see this in slow motion.
He wanted to kick him with that...
unidentified
You're gonna see in slow mode the way he...
joe rogan
You can't kick once they touch the ground?
Yeah.
But you can punch.
bas rutten
You can still punch.
joe rogan
What do you think about that with MMA? Like pride rules versus...
bas rutten
Watch it kick in the face now.
That's a different thing.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
As he's going down.
So he's touching, so he's kind of almost down.
bas rutten
Yeah.
And this is against the wall.
He's allowed to do everything.
This is not considered to be down if you're leaning against the wall.
joe rogan
Interesting.
But you can, you're not down, but you can kick to the body when they're down.
Can you kick to the body?
Yeah.
bas rutten
Kick to the body.
Stomp?
No, the hat also.
Not kicking the head, of course, yeah.
joe rogan
Right, but you can't kick the head when they're down.
What do you think about that?
Because, like, old-school pride rules, there's something wild about...
And then, obviously, 1FC has sort of followed those style of rules in a cage, which is different, because your head can get trapped in a cage, and you can get stomped, whereas in, you know, old-school pride, it was the ropes, and guys would, you know, get their head out of the ropes, and...
bas rutten
I don't know.
Those stomps, once you saw Wanderlei Silva going to the other, or Rona against Sakuraba, you know?
They're holding the ropes for the balance, and they start sake-kicking somebody's face in.
What I do like always is knees to the head on the ground.
I'd rather have that than elbows.
Elbows are most of the time are cuts.
These are knockouts.
So, do you really want to lose because of a cut?
In a street fight you wouldn't, right?
I mean, you wouldn't stop.
So, the losing by a cut, it's frowned upon for a fight.
It's still a loss.
joe rogan
Well, there are some knockouts on the ground with elbows for sure.
bas rutten
More and more now.
We see them more.
But before, it was 98% cuts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting, because the turtle position, when someone shoots in a failed shot and they just hang out there, because a person can't knee them in the head, boy, that's a very vulnerable position.
You would never stay there in a street fight.
bas rutten
No.
joe rogan
Never.
bas rutten
But you saw that, what I see with Roger Huerta when he was in the...
unidentified
Yes.
bas rutten
That was horrible.
That was a bad one.
joe rogan
That was a bad one.
bas rutten
Horrible.
joe rogan
And that was also a guy much bigger than him, too.
Like, Roger fought 155 in the UFC, and then he goes over, and in one, he's fighting these very big guys.
bas rutten
And he's already messed up.
He's falling literally on the ground for his balance.
unidentified
And then he gets soccer kicked.
bas rutten
And then he gets soccer kicked.
unidentified
That was scary.
joe rogan
Find that, because it was one of the worst KOs.
And Roger, man, what an interesting story that is, and kind of a sad story, because he was very, very promising.
He was on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
bas rutten
But that's the thing.
That's the curse, right?
They always talk about the Sports Illustrated curse, the cover.
joe rogan
Mike Tyson was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, too.
bas rutten
Okay, forget about it.
joe rogan
Check that.
Kid Dynamite.
It's in my office at home when he was 19. Oh, okay.
bas rutten
Yeah, no, no, no.
joe rogan
That curse don't mean shit.
bas rutten
For him, it doesn't.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
He's a special guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the Roger Werther thing, what happened was he ran a foul.
Some people were talking to him or I don't know.
He just, him and the UFC didn't get along all of a sudden.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
Yeah.
Because the UFC wanted to promote him.
He's this good-looking guy.
He's talented.
He's tough as shit.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then winds up losing and then the UFC drops him because there was all sorts of conflict between the two of them and he's like, I'm going to go fight other places and then...
bas rutten
He went over there.
And we lost him, unfortunately.
joe rogan
You have these guys that are on this trajectory that if they, you know, there's...
unidentified
Guys...
bas rutten
Limited time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What do you have, like, nine years to perform at your very best?
bas rutten
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I get, like, guys like...
unidentified
I can really find of him on there.
bas rutten
Raymond Daniels is still...
joe rogan
I think this...
I don't know if this is it.
jamie vernon
It doesn't seem to be a KO or anything.
unidentified
Oh, no?
It's just a crazy fight between them.
joe rogan
No, this is not Koji Ando.
It was a Brazilian guy.
unidentified
Okay.
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
bas rutten
Roger.
joe rogan
He's taken a lot of punishment.
bas rutten
Yeah, you can already see that going.
You see the guys who are older guys still performing really well.
I think Raymond Daniels right now, who's fighting for karate combat, you know, he's still freaking...
And by the way, he fought...
Oh, so he's over 40. He fought Rafael Agaev, who's considered the GOAT of karate, right?
Five world titles, 11 European titles.
This guy's a freaking master.
Everybody, when you would have to bet, you forced to bet, you put your house on freaking Raymond Daniels.
Agaiev beat him.
joe rogan
Really?
By decision?
bas rutten
Five-run fight, yeah, decision.
So his reflex and everybody, and the president, Adam Kovach, he told me before, he says, Agaiev is going to win.
And I go, oh man, that's a big, he says he's going to win.
And now also after the fight, they say, oh, we have the blueprint.
He says, no, because nobody's like Agaiev.
His reflexes, I mean, every time you saw Daniels move, he was already in there.
But now, you know, in Daniels' mind, because this guy, he's going to download everything that went wrong.
And then you see him fight the next fight.
He's a scary guy as well, the stuff that he does, right?
joe rogan
Daniels is amazing.
His ability to incorporate that point-style karate and also into kickboxing.
He had a lot of courage.
Going into glory, when he fought those guys, he really wasn't accustomed to leg kicks.
Joseph Valtellini beat him, and that's how he beat him.
Just chop those legs, chop those legs, and eventually head kicked him.
bas rutten
Yeah, but the 720 punch, did you ever see that thing?
joe rogan
Oh my god, it was insane.
bas rutten
And then he decided, because actually, George Palmer, my commentating partner in Karate Combat, he asked him about it, he says, Were you first about to throw a kick?
And he says, actually, I was.
But then once he was in the air, the distance got closed too fast.
He knew he had to change it.
And then in the air, he was going, oh, did I leave the stove on?
And then he made it into a freaking right hook.
joe rogan
That is one of, oh, here's the right one.
This one's terrible.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
bas rutten
Watch this.
He's already out.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's already out and turtled up, and that guy plants it on the neck.
I mean, that is one of the worst KOs ever.
And the amount of power that you can generate from that short a distance, I mean, he was already fucked up.
If you back it up a little bit, Jamie, you can see...
Oh, that's all it is?
unidentified
That's the best I can find.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he was already fucked up.
And again undersized, much much smaller than this guy and then the neck kick.
Yeah, horrible.
bas rutten
Yeah, not good.
But thankfully we don't have that in karate combatability.
She executes those to the body.
joe rogan
Well, George used those to the body.
George St-Pierre?
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a great technique to the body for a downed opponent.
I mean that heel slamming down like that.
bas rutten
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
I remember I was talking to George yesterday about Pointing, right?
I like it when you have gloves and you can point.
I would fight, fight, fight, point, and low kick.
And every time when you do that, you're painting a picture for your opponent, right?
So he's attaching you, pointing to the low kick, and actually you throwing a low kick.
And then once you get used to that, of course, you break that pair, and you're pointing high, and you're going high.
And I said the master who did that was Dwayne Ludwig.
It was in a fight.
And the guy is on the ground, and Dwayne walks up to him, and he points straight at his head, so the guy puts his guard up, one shot to the solar plexus.
Fight was over.
You see, stuff like that, I really enjoy when people do it like that.
That's Ross Levine, you know, he's the middleweight champion from Karate Combat.
He's also with Bang Muay Thai.
unidentified
You see that guy fight?
joe rogan
See, I've only watched clips online.
I've never watched a full event.
bas rutten
Freaking 100% in control, whatever happens.
Pull up a video of him.
joe rogan
Ross Levine?
bas rutten
Ross Levine, Karate Combat 39 is the main event.
Just go to the second round because the first...
And he's fighting a really freaking tough guy who's from the Olympic team at Karate in his country, Igor de Castaneda.
He just makes him look like a zero chance.
joe rogan
Here we go.
bas rutten
Okay.
Ross is in the black.
Look at his distance.
The whole time.
Fainting.
So underused in fighting.
The way he stalks him.
Sees everything.
joe rogan
Now why do they have to wear pants?
Is that just because it's karate?
bas rutten
That's just for the karate, yeah.
joe rogan
Then why don't they wear tops?
bas rutten
You know, you should ask them.
joe rogan
It seems like you should be able to wear shorts.
It's like anything that would impede the movement of your legs, and I'm not saying that pants do.
They don't that much, but it's a little bit.
bas rutten
No, but the gi does.
You know, we saw this also with Hoyce Grace in Sakuraba, right?
He stopped pulling it over.
So the gi is always a nightmare.
So get rid of the gi, keep the belt.
Long pants are okay as long as they're a little stretchy.
joe rogan
Well, it's kind of cool because it shows you that it's karate, but, you know, I would prefer shorts because I feel like shorts, I can move my legs better.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, not much difference.
Obviously, karate tournaments, Taekwondo tournaments, they're all fought with the Gi on.
Even, actually, Sambo, they go with shorts.
In some events, at least.
Oh shit.
bas rutten
But you see the control he has.
Everything he has.
Everything is caught.
And the way it's like the first time he knocked him out, the guy falls back, makes a spinning Ushiro Mawashi Yodan gear to the head.
joe rogan
Now this is karate, but it's constant contact.
It's constant action.
It's not point.
So where do these guys come from?
Do they come from point backgrounds?
Kickboxing backgrounds?
bas rutten
Some of these guys came from the point background, and you see the evolution.
I mean, in the beginning, they would literally throw one punch, they scream, and they stop while the opponent kept going.
They go, oh, shoot.
Yeah, I got to keep going.
And they make combinations.
joe rogan
Oh, you have to go up the ramp to sit in your corner, too.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there's enough sissies.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Ross Levine, does he come from a point background?
bas rutten
He's a point background karate guy, but he went also to Glory.
He went to other organizations.
He's just an incredible fighter.
And now he's coming full circle back.
To karate, and yeah, he became the champion right away.
He took the old champion's belt.
I mean, it wasn't even a contest.
joe rogan
So that guy in that situation, he knew that he couldn't get kicked to the head, so you can kind of sit there.
What is he complaining about?
bas rutten
I have no clue, but it's not good.
Just go to the very end.
You'll see him, the way he drops everything.
unidentified
What do you think's behind Castaneda coming forward to just try and tie up here?
bas rutten
Well, maybe he thought he was going to move forward.
joe rogan
Yeah, like right there.
Like, what is that?
bas rutten
Why would you stop, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, well I think he's kind of already on his way out, right?
So look, he just slid down there instead of standing up.
bas rutten
Now it's at least a downed opponent.
joe rogan
So now he has to wait for five seconds, right?
Is that the strategy?
bas rutten
Well, you could.
joe rogan
But he's just getting beat up, right?
bas rutten
Yeah, this is...
But look how...
Look at this.
joe rogan
Oh!
So you can do that.
You can kick to the face there because the guy's not totally down.
He's just leaning against the thing.
bas rutten
Anything goes against the wall.
joe rogan
Interesting.
bas rutten
And what a choice to make for him.
And he, the Castaneda, he was complaining about this.
He said he wasn't out.
So they had a rematch.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
bas rutten
Yeah, indeed.
Oh boy.
And then he got annihilated.
joe rogan
It's unfortunate that some of these guys who are mentally tough, they're great fighters, but they just have this one place that if you can take them to there, they'll crack.
bas rutten
Yeah, they're right.
joe rogan
Yes.
Like, tough, tough guys, but if you take them there, they fall apart.
bas rutten
You go like, okay, with me, it was submissions.
And I go, you know what?
Maybe I should learn this thing.
And I start focusing two or three times a day only on that.
joe rogan
Yes.
bas rutten
And that's how you get rid of it, right?
unidentified
Yes.
bas rutten
You're simply working on it.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of catch-up to do.
And there was always an issue in the early days of the UFC where those guys were the elite strikers.
They just didn't want to roll.
Because when they rolled, they would get dominated.
But when they strike with people, they would dominate them.
bas rutten
Yeah, it is stupid.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just an ego.
bas rutten
Do what you don't like.
First of all, you don't like it because you don't understand it.
That's what I say to people.
But once you understand it, you're going to love it.
Like the submissions for me, once I got it, I go like, this is way worse than boxing.
We thought the tough guys were boxers than kickboxers.
That's not true.
joe rogan
You can dislocate break any joint bone in the human body That's a big power to have for any guy can do that who's doing After a blue belt so to say well, it's just I mean boxing has amazing knockouts But it's just when a guy can control you on the ground and dominate you on the ground You don't have the same ability to defend yourself.
You don't have the same options There's just so much going on.
Yeah, it's like I mean, boxing is great to watch, but did you watch the Lomachenko-Devon Haney fight?
bas rutten
I didn't.
We were busy.
He got robbed.
joe rogan
He got robbed.
Yeah, I think he got robbed.
I mean, the commentators were trying very hard not to say he got robbed.
They were dancing around, close rounds, and this and that, but I didn't...
I didn't see it at all.
I felt like Lomachenko won that decision.
I'd like to go back and watch again, like with silence, and just sort of try to, no commentary, just try to like really score each round.
But to me, I felt like it was two rounds up for Lomachenko.
bas rutten
Yeah.
That's bad, you know, for guys like that.
joe rogan
Happens all the time in boxing.
It happens all, but it happens in the UFC too.
bas rutten
Yeah, but boxing, it's worse there, right?
joe rogan
It is sometimes, but when Marlon Vera fought Corey Sanhagen, one of the judges gave the fight to Marlon Vera, and it makes zero sense.
I've watched that over and over again, because Corey Sanhagen's performance is fucking phenomenal.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah, he's an animal.
joe rogan
It's top level.
bas rutten
And Farah is very freaking tough.
Farah is an animal.
joe rogan
He's a fucking animal.
He's so good.
They're the elite of the elite in that division.
Both top five guys.
But Corey just fucking just chopping away at him, doing whatever he wants, man.
It was amazing.
bas rutten
Yeah.
Guys like that, man.
That's why we have guys like Israel Adesanya.
For him to lose and then to come back, you see, I think that's more powerful than Yes.
Than any other person out there.
You know, you can be undefeated.
It's nice, daddy, but, you know, show people you're human and coming back from that.
And then it was robo-doping, right?
I mean, and my buddy right away sits next to me and goes, he's robo-doping.
You know, he's cage-doping, whatever you want to call it, fancy-doping.
But he was still looking just for the right moment.
joe rogan
Oh, it was amazing.
Amazing.
Well, he had gotten very close to stopping him in one of the kickboxing fights and then dropped him with seconds to go, like one second to go in the first round of their MMA fight.
So he kind of knew he could get to him, but it's that motherfucker so big.
bas rutten
Dude, he was standing next to me.
He came to Karate Combat.
He's like 235 pounds.
joe rogan
He's huge.
bas rutten
This is crazy.
All these guys.
I'm next to Jones.
I mean, freaking Tito.
Everybody's giant.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
I know.
bas rutten
It's all length.
Ian Gary.
joe rogan
He's so tall.
bas rutten
Dude, that's a fun guy to watch, right?
joe rogan
Oh my god, undefeated, so confident and so intelligent.
And beating Daniel Rodriguez like that in his last fight and being the first guy to stop Rodriguez, that's a big deal.
He's got it, man.
He's got it, whatever it is.
He's got it and he's on his way up.
bas rutten
That's the thing, the it thing.
What is the it thing, right?
Because how many fighters do you see, they constantly go for the belt, go for the belt, but they never really get the belt.
It's so weird.
You go like, man, he should be a champ.
But somehow, he's not.
joe rogan
Well, there's guys that are so close.
They're so close, and they beat top guys, but they never get whatever it is.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Michael Johnson, who just got knocked out this past weekend.
I mean, he knocked out Dustin Poirier.
KO'd him.
One left hand.
You know, he's the elite of the elite, and just at a certain point, and he's been KO'd real bad.
Josh Emmett KO'd him really bad, and then this past weekend gets KO'd really bad again.
bas rutten
It's a shame.
And everybody's focus is on that.
And I go, like, you shouldn't.
I remember there was a time that I was 11 fights undefeated, and somebody told me.
He says, whoa, man, you're 11-0 right now.
You lost 11. I go, oh, crap.
He goes, what?
I wish you wouldn't have said that.
I was afraid it was going to go inside my head, and I want to make it 12, and then you start fighting not to lose, you start not taking risks anymore.
Thankfully, I forgot about it.
Can you imagine?
You're kind of like this very tentative guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it happens to people.
bas rutten
A lot of people.
joe rogan
They change up their style and they become more technical or more boring or more safe or whatever you want to call it.
But they do and they think about it.
bas rutten
We did Mike Perry in the audience.
Andrei Olofsky was there also for the karate comedy.
Mike Perry, that's one of those guys.
If you're a promoter, Grab that guy.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bas rutten
Great on the microphone.
Great interviews.
He's either going to get knocked out or he's going to knock somebody out.
He will roll the dice.
He's the perfect guy for any organization.
joe rogan
Well, what he's doing now in bare-knuckle fighting is amazing.
Yeah.
Knocking out Luke Perry like that, stopping him, beating up Michael Venn and Page.
Who saw that coming?
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's just so fucking tough that there's something about the pain that comes with bare knuckle that just suits him.
bas rutten
It's a mental thing.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
bas rutten
I think also, we were talking about, Lewis Rocha actually was talking about, as the lightweight guy from Cardico, but he said, I'm going to win this fight because I fought, I've been in a lot of street fights.
I have a different mentality than his opponent Bruno Souza had.
He has a nice upbringing.
He's a great fighter, but he doesn't have that little meanness in him at the moment when you need it.
The controlled aggression like Bruce Lee would talk about.
I think that's a big thing as well.
joe rogan
It's certainly a big thing.
Skill is everything, right?
But then the mental aspect of it.
Sometimes trumps skill if you could overcome those moments where the opponent is beating you.
If you could just find your openings and then put it on them.
Some people are great when they're the hammer and not so great when they're the nail.
bas rutten
Yeah, I was talking with George as well.
Bringing your fans.
First time my mom and dad are here watching me fight.
I don't know if that's a good thing.
Could be really good.
joe rogan
Children is what gets me.
bas rutten
Oh, the worst.
joe rogan
Yeah, children.
When you see people bring their children, I'm like, oh, you have so much to think about.
There's so much more now that you have to think about.
bas rutten
I wouldn't let my kids watch.
They could watch the replay, but they can't watch it live.
Because what if something goes wrong?
My daddy going down there?
It's just not a good thing.
joe rogan
No, no.
And it's also...
There's one more variable that you have to keep in your mind while you're competing.
I mean, some people can do it great.
Some people can fight great with their kids in the audience.
More power to them.
But for some people...
You watch them with the kid in the audience and they lose and they get KO'd.
You see the kid crying like, oh my goodness.
Why would you subject your children to that?
It's so hard.
bas rutten
If you've just been training for three years full to become an MMA champion, that is gone.
joe rogan
Did you see the Mackenzie Dern fight this weekend?
bas rutten
No, I heard.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bas rutten
She's unbelievable, right?
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Oh my god, it was incredible.
It was a breakthrough performance.
Like, she's always been elite in the strawweight division, but to do that to Angela Hill, who is, by the way, Angela Hill is so fucking tough.
The beating that she took in this fight never quit.
She came very close to getting arm bars, and she just would not fucking give that arm up, and she's getting hammer-fisted in the face.
Ooh!
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Angela Hill is so fucking tough, but Mackenzie Dern, my God!
bas rutten
You never expect it to.
If you see her in an interview, you go like, she's a sweet lady.
joe rogan
But her daughter was there for the first time, and her daughter's very young.
And her daughter saw her face, her daughter's crying.
I mean, she won!
She dominated!
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but...
joe rogan
The daughter's like, whoa!
It's hard!
It's hard in those little kids.
bas rutten
Yeah, don't bring family.
My wife, I wouldn't bring.
She would throw in the towel if she sees a little tidy cut.
She'll throw in the towel.
I brought her to...
Okay, she'll take this out.
So I'm going to Japan.
I had to fight twice in one month, right?
As I tell her, I said, why don't you come with me?
I can stay there.
Finally, I got some trading partners in Japan that I can roll around with a little bit.
So the first fight goes against Suzuki.
Peter Ertz was there because he was just fighting also for the K1 and he came to watch.
And I was the first guy to stop Suzuki at the time.
But I remember when I kneed him And I hit him and he's ghosted out on the ground.
I'm standing in my corner.
It's an eight count.
And my wife is walking away.
And I go, where is she going?
And they go, fight again.
And later on I go, what were you doing?
He says, I didn't like it because I thought you were going to hurt him a little bit.
Because I'm there.
You know, you're going to do your extra very best to hurt the guy more.
I go, no!
unidentified
I just...
bas rutten
Why the hell would you leave?
I'm standing there, I just see her walking away.
joe rogan
Oh no!
She thought you were going to hurt him more because she was there.
That's interesting.
bas rutten
And then, by the way, this is also funny.
We're doing the laundry, she's hanging laundry on the balcony.
It is in Japan, in Tokyo.
And so she goes, oh my god, somebody jumped out of the building.
And I'm laughing, and I think it's a joke.
And she goes, no, no, really.
So I'm looking, and there's this guy on the floor, like a really bad position.
You knew that he committed suicide.
He just jumped.
And then you see people coming by.
They just kick him.
They keep walking.
And then suddenly there's this little ambulance thing comes.
They grab him up, put him away.
But it was the wildest thing.
joe rogan
So she saw him jump?
bas rutten
She saw him falling down.
unidentified
Boom.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's wild.
bas rutten
Yeah.
They say that the moment they jump, they know it's a mistake.
That one guy who jumped on the bridge in New York.
joe rogan
San Francisco.
bas rutten
San Francisco.
And he survived.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
The freaking, what's it, the flipper brought him back up, right?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
bas rutten
Unbelievable.
He said, you regret it the moment you step off.
joe rogan
Of course.
Well, of course.
You know you're going to die.
I mean, I had a friend who did that in San Francisco.
bas rutten
And he died.
joe rogan
He died, yeah.
He struggled with depression for a long time, and then someone sent me a message that Tony killed himself.
I was like, oh no.
And I was like, how did he do it?
And they're like, he jumped off the bridge.
I was like, oh.
bas rutten
Yeah, because that's at least 15 seconds.
unidentified
Oh, that's a big fucking drop.
joe rogan
And you don't die instantly, I don't think, either.
Maybe you do.
bas rutten
I see these commercials on TV where people are depressed.
In the early days, I would be...
Come on, man.
Just think happy thoughts.
That's what I literally, I'm the idiot who thought that.
And then, after my last fight, I had like a two and a half month period of depression.
The most scariest thing I've ever had.
joe rogan
Which fight?
Which fight was it?
bas rutten
It was after 2006, the last fight I made, like after seven years I didn't fight, against Ruben Valerio, the big Indian guy.
joe rogan
That fight?
You had depression after that fight?
bas rutten
After that, I think maybe because it was literally God letting me know, okay, the fight's over now.
I was so injured, and I thought I was okay, but I was so injured, I couldn't continue fighting anymore, and I think, I don't know.
joe rogan
Were you injured going into the fight?
bas rutten
Oh, yeah, everything.
Hamstring, my rib was out.
It was not good.
But thankfully, I got him.
But then afterwards, I think that maybe got in my head that this was it.
And I was literally on the freeway thinking, you know, what if I drive my car against it?
And I go, what?
What am I thinking?
I go, and then I decided to make a list with all the good things in my life and all the bad things.
And then you're going to realize that the bad thing list is two things.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bas rutten
And the rest is like goes on, the good things.
And I started focusing on it.
I don't understand.
A lot of people, it's harder for them, you know, and they are going to need medication.
I tried medication and, you know, like I was freaking out.
I literally was thinking if I wouldn't have had a family, I might have done it.
It was that crazy.
joe rogan
Did you get hit in that fight bad?
bas rutten
No.
joe rogan
No?
So did you get hit at all in training that was bad?
bas rutten
Nope.
No, I never had an 8-count, not even in fighting.
So I've never had...
I've been very blessed.
joe rogan
Yeah, so do you think it was just psychological?
Because that is a thing that happens to guys with CTE. Guys that have had a lot of hits to the head, they start getting very depressed because their serotonin levels are all fucked up, their endocrine system's all fucked up, their pituitary gland gets damaged.
And they say it gets damaged even when you don't even get knocked out.
Just little jabs to the face.
bas rutten
Oh, listen, I've been training with Peter O'Heezo.
That's a fun guy to spar with.
He got me on a body shot one time, and I was looking at the clock, making sure that he could not see that I was looking at the clock.
And then I start throwing, on purpose, a lot of crosses.
Because somebody who was hurt would never do that, right?
So I was trying to convince him, and thankfully he thought I wasn't hurt.
And then the bell went, and I go like...
unidentified
I'm so happy you didn't touch me there.
Like this.
bas rutten
And I would have gone down.
joe rogan
The liver is awful.
bas rutten
It's the worst.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
People were saying when Ryan Garcia went down against Tank Davis and people were saying he quit.
I'm like, have you ever been hit there before?
bas rutten
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
Everything This is, where does my love for the liver shot come from?
unidentified
Yes!
bas rutten
First Thai boxing class, getting dropped by a liver shot.
joe rogan
First class?
unidentified
Really?
bas rutten
First class of the Thai box, tough boxer, karate, but my hands are here.
So as soon as they added punches to the face, you over commit.
You go too fast, so you're exposing your body.
And I was training with Osman, what's his name?
A class A fighter already, pro.
And he figured me out really fast.
And he dropped me with a liver shot.
And I remember asking him, I go, what is this?
joe rogan
It's terrible.
bas rutten
I went home.
I spent three and a half hours in front of the mirror.
Three and a half hours.
My wife said, you're insane.
I would drink a little coffee, relax, go back to the mirror.
Only this.
Boom.
I was not going to drop my hands anymore.
And the next day, I went back to the class, and I just cleaned 85% of the gym.
And they thought I played a joke on them.
I go, no, I spent three and a half hours in front of the freaking mirror.
unidentified
That was not going to happen again.
bas rutten
I was a little obsessive-compulsive there.
joe rogan
That's the champion mindset.
bas rutten
That's the only way to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you need that.
You can't have a bunch of other options of things you can do.
You have to be 100% all-in, fully obsessed.
bas rutten
I'm thinking about a funny story when I lived in that building.
I used to live across the gym, and I had a Thai boxing match the next day.
And my neighbors, there was stairs going up, left are the apartments and right.
I was on the right side, they were on the left side.
So they have a mirror image apartment, so I know everything.
What we have, it's a mirror image there.
And they were banging the music really loud.
And it was 10 o'clock, and I go, I'll let it go till 11 o'clock, 11.30, okay, I'm gonna go down and ask them.
So I asked them really nice, if they could please stop it, because I have to do something tomorrow.
I didn't want to mention anything because they could only trigger something.
And they said, sure.
Close the door, turn the music up.
I call the cops.
And I tell the cops, I say, listen, this is 86A, my name is Boss Ruth, you can tell them that I called you, so use my name.
But please, this has got to stop.
Because now it's like midnight, midnight 15, you know, and I need to sleep.
So the police comes, but you have also a little balcony.
And it's hilarious because the police comes, music is down.
I'm standing on the balcony looking at them.
They were on one floor behind me.
And while the police leaves, they go, they're gone, turn it up!
They're screaming inside and they start blasting the music again.
I go, okay.
So I put on a cap, you know, that I looked a little different, put on a jacket, and I walked down, and a guy opened up.
I go, hey, what's up, party time!
And he goes, hey, come in, come in.
And I walk in, close the door, or right behind the door is where the fuse box are.
In Holland, it's different.
In Holland, they're like ceramic diffuses.
They look like spark plugs.
joe rogan
Twist them in.
bas rutten
Yeah.
And I opened the thing, and I just crushed it.
I stomped the whole thing.
I'm holding the side of the door.
The whole place goes down.
And they came running in the building.
I go...
I warned you guys, but nobody came close.
They saw it in my eyes.
So the reason I didn't want to go there in the first place because I couldn't sleep, my adrenaline?
Well, I couldn't sleep the whole freaking night because my adrenaline was so rocketing now after that whole experience.
Thankfully I beat him.
But that was the day before the fight.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bas rutten
The day before the fight, yeah.
joe rogan
When you had the day before a fight, was there anything specifically you would do to try to relax or try to calm yourself or get ready?
bas rutten
No.
I always been a big thing and then later on when I started understanding breathing better, you know, like the vagus nerve to stimulate that one, I was doing that.
Like I would be...
This was...
With nerves, I use it with a low tone.
I go, hum, and I let my belly vibrate.
Now, at the time, I didn't know what I was doing.
Short inhales with longer exhales actually stimulating the vagus nerve.
You know, and other ways to stimulate the vagus nerve are also by humming and singing, so I connected two of them somehow, but it made me very calm.
If I had a headache, I'd do the same thing, but I'd go higher pitch sound because then my skull vibrates.
Hum, you see?
And that always helps me with headache or if I'm nervous with my body.
So yeah, that's what I would do.
I would just relax and have fun.
Video games, you know, only comedy.
Nobody can say anything bad.
In the dressing room, we can't have aggression.
Everybody needs to go right away.
Get the guy's ass.
I remember my last fight.
My nutrition was there, and he wanted to hype me up, so he says, can I talk to you outside?
It was just before, like an hour before the fight.
unidentified
He goes, listen, man, this guy tries to take food away from your family.
bas rutten
He goes, stop right there.
I don't need to stop.
joe rogan
Seriously?
bas rutten
No.
Because if I get angry, you don't want to get angry.
You want to be in control.
joe rogan
It's interesting because some people do need that.
bas rutten
Yeah, they need to get slapped in the face.
Oh, far away from that.
My opponent's already going to try that.
Why would I do that?
Did you see how I say try that?
I didn't say do that.
joe rogan
Right, of course.
bas rutten
Slip that in there.
joe rogan
It is interesting, the different psychology.
Like, if you're a coach, you kind of need to be a psychologist because you're dealing with all these different people in different ways.
Like, some people, they have amazing potential, but they're just not that disciplined.
Some people, you've got to keep them out of the gym because they're training too hard.
They're going to overtrain.
bas rutten
Yep.
Yeah, and I always found out that it's the one in the middle.
It literally is.
I think the guys with too much talent, they don't have the stamina to back it up because they're always schooling everybody in the gym and nobody gives them pressure.
But if you have the guys who are not really physically blessed but still become a freaking champ, like Tim Sylvia.
joe rogan
Yes.
bas rutten
I mean, if you see him walk, his toes are inside a little bit.
His motoric skills are not great.
joe rogan
Yeah, pigeon-toed.
bas rutten
Freaking world champion!
And those guys are way harder to beat than a guy who is...
It's easy for them.
Because instead of...
If I have to work for something two hours and they have to work six hours for the same thing to...
To get to that point, they don't want to let that go.
Those guys are the worst guys to fight.
They're the toughest.
So it always comes with something.
And that's why I figured out in the middle, I know I have talent, but I'm not like a BJ Penn kind of talent.
You know, that is like...
Exceptional.
Three years black belt and then backing it up by beating the world champion.
joe rogan
Three years wins the Mundial, which is insane.
Imagine you meet a guy, you're like, what are you doing?
Oh, I'm going to go take my first jujitsu class.
Oh, good luck with that.
Then you meet him three years later.
What are you doing?
Oh, I just won the world championships.
In what?
bas rutten
In the black belt division.
unidentified
In what?
joe rogan
In jujitsu.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
In what rank?
Black belt.
unidentified
What?
bas rutten
That's insane.
joe rogan
Nobody even gets a black belt in three years.
bas rutten
Freaking prodigy.
joe rogan
I was a brown belt for eight fucking years.
B.J. Penn was a special guy, man.
When people talk about goats, I feel, unfortunately, they leave him out of the equation.
But if you look at B.J. in his prime, when he beat Diego Sanchez in his prime, when he was just smashing people, Joe Stevenson, B.J. Penn was a motherfucker.
I put that B.J. Penn against any 155-pounder that's ever lived.
bas rutten
Yep.
And it's striking.
It picked up so fast.
Gomi.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
Din Thomas.
bas rutten
Animal.
joe rogan
He knocked down a lot of fucking people.
And his jiu-jitsu was off the charts.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Off the charts.
BJ Penn was so fucking talented.
But during that period when he was the GOAT, what happened was he got with Marv Marinovich and he started training insane cardio.
The Marinovich's had him training cardio more than anything else.
It was all plyometrics.
It was all these facts.
They're like, you already know how to fight.
The problem is endurance.
Let's give you the most insane gas tank, and then you go out there with so much confidence because you never have to worry about keeping your foot off the gas.
bas rutten
But what happened?
This sounded to me like you were setting up.
joe rogan
That's when he won.
He always won.
But that's when he became BJ Penn, the motherfucker.
I feel like if you could get time machines together, I would take Khabib when he beat Conor McGregor And face BJ Penn when BJ Penn fought Shawn Shirk.
Or BJ Penn fought Joe Stevenson.
Or BJ Penn fought Diego Sanchez.
That BJ Penn versus that Khabib.
Holy shit.
That fight gives me goosebumps just imagining it.
bas rutten
Freaking elbows.
The split he left open with Joe Stevenson's head.
There was blood everywhere.
joe rogan
I was in a puddle.
Plus, when you got him on the ground, like, that ain't no picnic.
That's terrifying.
BJ Penn was fucking amazing on the ground.
bas rutten
Everybody says, you know, it feels like he's 250 pounds when you roll with him.
joe rogan
Well, his legs move like arms.
He has the most insane flexibility and dexterity.
Yeah, this is BJ in his prime.
Oh, my God.
bas rutten
Boom.
joe rogan
Flying knee KO. Look at that.
Dude, BJ Penn, when he was the GOAT, When he was on top, dude, he was fucking unstoppable.
bas rutten
He was so angry, too.
It was the best.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Are they like letting...
What is Mario Yamasaki letting that fight go?
Oh, it was the end of the round.
That's what it was.
Boom.
Uppercut.
Left hook.
Check the timing on this knee.
Step.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
And he's got those Ruka shorts with the black belt on it.
Damn.
Oh, my God.
And Sean Shirk was a fucking pit bull.
Oh my god, Sean Shirk.
bas rutten
He was on top for a long time.
joe rogan
Oh my god, and he had incredible fitness.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, Sean Shirk was so fit.
He was like one of the first guys that had like unbelievable strength and conditioning routines.
And you know, this is early days of the UFC's popularity, so it's like people missed that.
And I feel like Anderson Silva's another one.
When Anderson was in his prime, Jesus Christ.
When Anderson knocked out Vitor with that front kick to the face.
bas rutten
Oh jeez.
joe rogan
When Anderson knocked out Okami, when Anderson...
bas rutten
Knocked out everybody.
joe rogan
Knocked out everybody.
bas rutten
Forrest Griffin.
The way...
joe rogan
Oh my god.
bas rutten
That was even...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a bunch of those guys that, unfortunately, they get left out of the conversation because people see them when they should have quit.
They should have stopped fighting.
That's the case with BJ. That's the case with Anderson.
People see them when they should have walked away and they just...
One more time, or maybe they're getting a big contract.
Maybe with the UFC, they fight and they can make half a million dollars, $750,000, a million dollars.
bas rutten
We all think about that short little...
I'm very blessed because I got a lot of injuries.
And that's why I stopped.
Because everybody tells me, man, you were smart.
You stopped at the peak of your career.
I said, that was not me.
Because that would have been a knucklehead who kept on fighting.
And eventually you are going to lose because you're going to fight guys who have your age.
They can't work out five times a week full power.
You can't.
You have to really make sure that when you do your high outputs, Because otherwise you're not going to make it.
So thankfully I got injuries.
And that's what kept my...
joe rogan
Well you had injuries before you won the heavyweight title.
You had a bad neck injury when you fought TK. Oh yeah.
When you fought Teosha Kosaka, your neck was so fucked up you could barely roll.
bas rutten
It was really bad, yeah.
It was Daryl Golar, he threw me in my head.
I had him in a triangle choke.
That freaking guy, man, he was really good.
So powerful.
Powerful, yeah.
joe rogan
Daryl Golar was a fucking beast.
bas rutten
Slams me on the ground, in the corner, you know, so my neck is completely jacked up, yeah.
joe rogan
And that's the same injury that got aggravated when you did, what was it, Sons of Anarchy?
When you were doing that movie?
Or the TV show?
What was it that you did that wound up where you had to get the neck fused?
bas rutten
Oh, that was Lights Out.
joe rogan
Lights Out.
bas rutten
Yeah, the TV show.
There was this moment that the lead actor...
I'm going to beat him.
And he says, this is not realistic.
This is boss.
You know, we should come up with something.
I do something illegal, whatever.
There's other ways.
There's no way I can beat this guy.
And I said, what about this?
I jump on your back.
You know, I forget to put the hooks in and I slide off.
I spike myself.
So this is all on me.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's your idea.
bas rutten
Yeah.
And then I'm dizzy, you hit me in the throat, whatever, and then, you want to do that?
I go, sure.
You know, you're invincible at that moment, you know?
You think.
And I did it twice, and it was just this height that I just dropped, but I remember like two months later looking in the mirror and looking at my wife and going, is my arm getting smaller?
This is weird.
And I wasn't using it because I had a lot of pain in the shoulder.
And then I had to do an autograph session in Boston for the UFC, actually.
They flew me out.
And I went to the doctor.
I said, I've got to put a cortisone shot in there.
There's no way I can do this weekend.
And they put a cortisone shot in there so I now could use it.
Because before I didn't use it because it was hurting.
And I couldn't lift my carry-on luggage.
Freaked me out.
I go like, whoa.
So my other hand, I lift, I go, okay.
So it's my arm.
Something's going on.
I thought I lost all power.
And that's when I realized it was my freaking neck.
joe rogan
How is it coming back now?
Is it...
bas rutten
Nothing.
It's supporting muscles.
They're doing it.
You know, if I ramp this up, you'll see.
You see, it's all gone here.
unidentified
See?
bas rutten
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
bas rutten
But it was, my whole arm was like this.
It was a stick.
So I got this biceps is coming very slowly.
It's coming down.
But literally, I started with two pounds.
I couldn't pull the trigger from a gun.
joe rogan
Really?
bas rutten
Yeah, so going...
Listen, I used to do 9-1 on pull-ups.
Like people, I would do this in the subway with other fighters.
Hey, show the pull-ups again.
Not stretched arm, but from here, I could like 9-1 on pull-ups.
And going from that, not able to grab the freaking water out of the fridge.
That was scary.
That was very scary.
And then I went from 2-pound curls, and I'm doing 15 now.
And they say, oh, that's great!
Yeah, over 12 years.
joe rogan
So you went from 2-pound curls to 15-pound curls?
bas rutten
Yeah, but like I said, it's over 12 years.
I got to do 45s, I have them on my left, and then the little ones.
joe rogan
I know you went to ways too well, and they gave you some stem cells.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And you've done some stem cells.
Where did you go before that?
Did you go to Panama?
bas rutten
I did Panama before, all the way back.
It didn't work anything for my neck injury, because...
Apparently there's a nerve blocked, and it can't unblock a nerve.
It can only do so much.
joe rogan
It's blocked because of the fused discs?
bas rutten
I have no clue.
Nobody can find out where it actually is located.
It's because it's like...
It's been such a long time that they simply cannot locate.
They tried everything with electricity and holding, and it's stupid.
Somehow they cannot figure it out.
So I felt really good after Panama, like physically.
I dropped my...
What is it?
Cholesterol levels.
It was bizarre.
I went from 220 because, coincidentally, I just took like a blood test two weeks before I went to there.
And when I came back, did another blood test.
It dropped 70 points.
Seven zero points in like 10 days.
And it was because of the stem cells.
It was like 150. I go, what?
It was 220. It was really bizarre.
And I felt really energized.
I remember the person who told me to go there.
It was through Mel Gibson.
And his sister was talking about, she said, I feel energy coming out of my fingertips.
I go, that's a weird thing to say.
But then after my third session, because she had four sessions in four days, I called my wife and go, oh, I know exactly what she's talking about.
Every morning I would wake up out of my toes and out of my fingers for six months straight.
Really weird, but felt really good.
joe rogan
Wow.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've never done the Panama.
I've done Ways Too Well, and I did it in Santa Monica, a few different places I've done stem cells.
It's healed injuries.
Big time.
I had a full-length rotator cuff tear.
In Vegas, Dr. Roddy McGee shot me up with mesenchymal stem cells.
I went to a doctor.
The UFC gave me a doctor in Los Angeles.
He looks at my MRI. And he goes, you're going to need surgery.
And I go, 100%?
He's like, yeah.
I mean, he goes, I don't know how you're using it now.
And so he goes, well, let me put you through some paces.
Let me see.
He goes, resist this.
And I just resisted it.
And he goes like, huh.
He's like, resist that.
And I resisted that.
He's like, oh.
He's like, okay, it's pretty strong.
He goes, well, you know, it's a matter of time.
Just, you know, you're gonna need surgery, so, you know, might be better to do it now.
Even though it hurts, you've got good muscles supporting it, and so that's the only reason why it's okay.
So I got it shot up with stem cells.
Six months later, I go and get an MRI. The rotator cuff tear is gone.
Full length rotator cuff tear.
And Dr. McGee looks at me and goes, you know how fucking insane this is?
He goes, this is insane.
And this was like the early days of stem cells in America where you could kind of get away with more.
They were doing some wild shit that you've got to go to Mexico now again.
Like Tijuana, the Cellular Performance Institute, CPI, down there that...
My friend Ed Clay and Eddie Bravo's been down there.
A lot of UFC fighters have been down there.
bas rutten
It's incredible.
unidentified
They fucking dose you.
joe rogan
They hit you with a lot of it.
And everybody I know that's gone down to that place is phenomenal.
bas rutten
Well, I went to Wish to Will for an IV, right, already.
And I had to say the next day, I called him, my muscle aches are way less.
It was just after one day.
joe rogan
Well, there's a definite reduction in inflammation that comes with that.
There's a lot of things you could do to reduce inflammation, but the healing thing is just incredible.
And I really wish, I mean, the problem is in this country, you know, without just blaming people, there's too much regulation when it regard to that kind of stuff.
And it's not because there's a lot of evidence that people get injured by stem cells.
I feel like there's a lot of pressure on them because there's a lot of drugs that people take when they're injured, and there's a tremendous industry in those drugs.
Tremendous industry in anti-inflammatories, there's a tremendous industry in the pain pills, and a lot of that would be hit hard if stem cells were openly not just allowed, but allowed the way they're allowing them in other countries.
bas rutten
It's everything, and they don't want that.
They don't want to fix you.
joe rogan
It's fucked.
It really is.
I mean, if they could make it so that you have to take a pill once a month, and that pill is worth a lot of money, and they can profit off of it, they'd be like, all in.
But this bile...
I am just a giant fan of stem cells, and I'm a giant fan of peptides.
bas rutten
Yeah, me too.
Always did peptides.
joe rogan
Makes a giant difference.
bas rutten
Trigger your own body to make more.
joe rogan
Yes.
It's the best.
It is.
bas rutten
It's always better than a foreign substance in you.
joe rogan
Yes.
And it's incredible what they can do now.
Yeah.
And we're really at the cusp of this.
They're doing things now where they have stem cell eye drops.
For people that have eye injuries.
I mean, the intravenous stem cells help with all sorts of neurological conditions and all sorts of issues that people have, particularly when they go to, say, Columbia, the bioaccelerator place, or Neil Reardon's place, which is in Panama.
Yeah, it's fucking, it's amazing what they can do now.
So anyway, this shoulder, many years later, zero problems.
bas rutten
Zero problems.
joe rogan
I do 90-pound clean presses with this, and I do windmills with it.
So I'm putting it in these compromising positions where I'm doing this with windmills with 90 pounds.
No problems.
Zero pain.
Throwing full punches, zero pain.
bas rutten
Nice.
joe rogan
No problem.
Pull a 90-pound bow back.
No problem.
No issues at all.
And this was that close to getting cut.
And now it doesn't bother me at all.
I mean, there's like nothing wrong with it.
bas rutten
It's so wild, right?
The wildest thing that I one time had was that I had a really...
The little pinky is thicker, because I hit somebody's hip, like the karate gi, hit the hip, and it was before a fight.
So I'm arriving at the Pancras for fighting, and the judge, who was the judge, was a really good freaking body mechanic guy.
I mean, everybody from around the world would go to that guy to have him look at him, because he was just really good with Tai Chi and whatever he did, what is it, acupressure, all that kind of stuff.
And he went to me and he says, okay, give me a hand.
I relaxed it.
And he pushed on three spots.
I was like, oh, shit, shit, shit.
He goes, no, just...
And he broke it out.
He does it again.
I go, okay.
He says, okay, how is it now?
And I go like...
I go, it's completely gone.
Like zero pain.
Not even a hint of it.
And he just opened up the pain blockages that he said that he was pressing.
And he was on the money, man.
He said, go out, out, out.
And the second time was already less than the third time.
He says, I should be good now.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
bas rutten
Nothing.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is it like now to rely on your left hand?
Because now you're thinking about if you're going to fuck somebody up, you're going to left hand them.
You're not going to throw a straight right anymore.
bas rutten
No, no, no.
joe rogan
No problem?
bas rutten
My triceps will still work.
unidentified
Oh, no, I will knock you out.
bas rutten
And my uppercut is coming back.
joe rogan
The punches are still good.
bas rutten
The uppercut is a little less.
Yeah, a little less because of the shoulder, but the shoulder also came back.
Also the hook.
You know, I tell people when I'm doing a shadow boxing, I say, don't look at my right arm because it's probably going to be a little off.
Look at the left foot I'm doing.
But no, my crosses are there.
So thankfully my triceps came back.
joe rogan
Maybe in 12 more years, you get a full bicep.
bas rutten
Who knows?
joe rogan
Well, I mean, if they figure out some way to fix it, I mean, it's just like the medical advances that are happening are so magical.
It's a really, really incredible time.
bas rutten
It doesn't stop.
This whole talks with Mr. Kaku you had, you know, with the quantum computers and all that stuff.
joe rogan
Michio Kaku, yeah.
bas rutten
And it's all going to be probably in our bodies, right?
Something like that eventually is going to happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you think about that, boss?
bas rutten
I'm very scared of that.
Because they can hack me then.
joe rogan
I don't think if you...
I know.
I like how you go right to that.
bas rutten
Oh, yeah.
That's what I would do if I'm a bad guy.
I'm gonna hack him.
joe rogan
That's a real problem.
It's a real problem because that's what I think the people that control the world...
They would genuinely like to have a one world government, one economy that the entire world shares, a digital currency that goes with the social credit system.
bas rutten
Yep, so they can turn it off and on.
joe rogan
And they can do whatever the fuck they want with you.
BJ Penn just made some post about that.
If you have an electric car and you get arrested, or if they're looking for you, they could literally tell your electric car to drive to the police station.
bas rutten
Whoa.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
bas rutten
I would never go full electric.
Get an electric, but also get gas on the side.
joe rogan
I have an electric car that I love.
I have a Tesla, and it's fucking magic.
The speed of that thing is magic.
bas rutten
Yeah, 2.3, right?
joe rogan
It's faster.
I think it's like, what is the plaid 0-60?
It's fucking insane.
It's 1100 horsepower.
It's so fast, it's so fun, and it's so quiet.
That's my calm car.
It's my car that I love when I want to drive to work and just chill out and think and listen to music.
I drive that car because it just makes no sound.
bas rutten
That's super fast.
joe rogan
But it's very safe too in that if you have to merge on the highway, you just hit the gas.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's like you're teleporting.
I love that car.
I love it so much.
It's so good.
There's a lot of things.
They have a weird steering wheel.
It has the yoke steering wheel.
So it's not a wheel.
But now they offer it in a wheel.
So they fixed the number one problem that I had with it.
bas rutten
You still have to keep your hands on it for at least a minute.
joe rogan
Oh, to do auto driving?
bas rutten
Yeah, because people hang weights on it or something.
joe rogan
I don't fuck with that.
I don't fuck with the auto driving.
I mess around with it every now and then just for fun, but I never let it drive me around.
I keep my hands on it.
Do you fuck around with it, Jamie?
You got the full auto drive, right?
You got that beta, right?
jamie vernon
Sometimes, here and there.
If I'm on a 10-minute drive, I would maybe use it for four minutes of that 10-minute drive.
joe rogan
It's not ready for prime time yet.
unidentified
I'm not...
Who?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I'm not fucking...
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the thing is, the way Teslas work, Tesla has the absolute most advanced auto driving that's ever existed.
And they're getting information from all these vehicles and improving upon it with every iteration.
So they're always getting these software updates.
They're constantly working on it.
These engineers are fucking wizards.
bas rutten
Yep.
joe rogan
And they're making it better and better.
And it does drive really nice, but I like that drive.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Like I drove my 1993 Porsche today.
It doesn't have power steering.
It doesn't have a radio.
It doesn't have air conditioning.
It doesn't have jack shit.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's air-cooled.
And it's just...
bas rutten
But it's fun.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
It's not even fast.
It's so much slower than my Tesla, but my god, it's a...
Visceral experience, like your whole body feels it when you drive it.
It's like...
unidentified
It's fun!
joe rogan
It's exciting!
bas rutten
I love that stuff.
joe rogan
I love it.
bas rutten
Yeah, 93. This is when I started fighting.
Imagine, that's how old I'm a freaking fossil.
joe rogan
I remember in 90...
I think it was 94 or 95, I watched Pedro Hizo workout at Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu.
And that was when I realized how hard someone can kick you in the legs.
bas rutten
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I watched him kick the heavy bag, and I don't think there's ever...
I've never seen a human ever in all my days.
I've seen a lot of people kick.
I've never seen a human kick harder than Pedro Hiza.
bas rutten
Oh, he's an animal because he's got technique and he's got the weight.
joe rogan
And he's got these giant fucking legs.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bas rutten
Yeah, kick by him is not fun.
joe rogan
He was kicking the bag, and I remember thinking...
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
One of those.
I remember when he fought Rico Rodriguez.
He kicked Rico once, and Rico was looking at his face and was like, what the fuck is that?
bas rutten
Freaking thank Abbott.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
He spins somebody around him.
Caught air!
Pedro, Dan Severin fought him too.
He stopped Dan Severin with leg kicks.
I mean, his fucking leg kicks were insane.
I mean, Randy Couture, when he fought him, like, they had to really convince Randy to fight him a second time.
And, you know, he had battered his fucking legs.
Cameron Randleman, too.
He knocked out Josh Barnett, too, and it was a lot of that.
His fucking Muay Thai.
And he was Marco Huaz's prize pupil.
He was his number one pupil.
Pedro Hizzo was the fucking man.
He's another one that people forget.
Pedro Hizzo, his fucking leg kicks, man.
And I'm telling you, I've seen so many people kick the bag.
No one has ever impressed me with a leg kick, a low kick on the bag, like Pedro Hizzo.
Look at the size of his fucking legs.
I mean, they're tree trunks.
And he just had this power that was, you couldn't take them.
And this is before the calf kick.
You know, this is early days.
He was fucking people up with just kicking the thighs.
As soon as he hit you a couple of times, it was just like, oh Jesus Christ.
Everybody was just like, that's it, that's it.
I'm done, I'm done.
Please, please stop this fight.
Please.
Referees were a little bit more lenient back then.
bas rutten
And these are fighters.
Imagine this happening to a person on the street.
If you don't know what a low kick is and you're not flexing...
joe rogan
Well, Forrest Griffin kicked a reporter.
He has some deal with a reporter.
He said, I'll do an interview with you.
Let me kick your leg.
bas rutten
Oh, and he's not holding back.
joe rogan
And he full power low kicked him and put a hairline fracture in this dude's tibia.
Was it a tibia?
bas rutten
It's a special.
Femur?
joe rogan
One of the major bones.
bas rutten
We just had to sign some autographs together.
joe rogan
Oh, this is it, yeah.
bas rutten
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Oh, God!
bas rutten
Oh, you know, this is...
joe rogan
He didn't even kick him full blast.
bas rutten
No, I don't think you can.
Literally, you're going to break.
joe rogan
It would be evil.
It would be evil.
Check himself to treat it for a hairline fracture of the femur.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
Don't.
Reporters.
If someone says that to you, say, no, thank you.
I would rather not interview you, sir.
bas rutten
I'm at a circus shrine with my wife and this whole bus.
People are yelling out at the bus.
It's these skits.
And they stop the whole bus and they come out and they want me pictures and they want me to hit them.
joe rogan
Oh God.
bas rutten
So I go, you know, and he goes, thank you.
But they look at me like asshole.
And I go, what is the look?
And my wife says, I think you have to hit him on her.
I go, you serious?
unidentified
Yeah.
bas rutten
Yeah, I go, come back.
unidentified
Boom.
bas rutten
And he's going, ah, I go, oh, thank you.
joe rogan
Oh, in his shoulder?
bas rutten
Oh, God.
unidentified
Loving it.
bas rutten
And then I start kicking the crap out of people's legs.
It's fun.
But, you know, they were much happier.
That's the weird thing.
They want you to hurt them because somehow that makes it...
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't get it.
bas rutten
I don't get it.
joe rogan
Didn't Jason Ellis let Chuck Liddell in his prime punch him in the arm full blast?
I think there's a video of that.
bas rutten
That's not a smart thing to do.
joe rogan
Jason Ellis is a psychopath, though.
He's crazy.
Funny.
He's very funny.
I think he enjoys a little bit of pain.
There's something about that gentleman that's a little bit off.
Yeah, here it is.
This is Chuck in his fucking prime, too.
Oh, no.
bas rutten
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Oh!
bas rutten
Yeah, oh.
joe rogan
I don't...
Yeah.
Yeah.
In the arm.
bas rutten
And did you see Chuck, he wanted to go.
joe rogan
Yeah, he gets crazy.
bas rutten
He gets crazy when he hits it.
joe rogan
That fucking switch gets turned.
Chuck, that's another one.
Chuck Liddell in his prime was a fucking monster.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he could take it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He could take a shot in the chin so good that he would just fucking wade forward, almost daring you to hit him and just fucking He made the UFC in 2005 when the UFC became popular it was popular because of the Forrest Griffin that did that the big final between Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin and the ultimate fighter made the UFC Everybody watched on TV. They're like, what is this?
This is wild, but then you got to see the champion and You got to see Chuck Liddell when he was a fucking...
Put up Chuck Liddell vs.
Babalu.
See if you can find that.
He was hunting people.
He was hunting people.
And he was a wrestler that never wrestled.
He never used his wrestling in the octagon other than to get up.
He just wanted to fuck you up.
And he was really good at it, too.
And trained by John Hackleman, who's old school.
Just old school.
That place that he had in San Luis Obispo, the pit, where he would make these guys do it.
He was like the originator of all these crazy workouts with wheel barrels and shit.
There he is.
bas rutten
Stop.
joe rogan
Chuck Liddell, man.
People forget he was a fucking monster.
Because he was a big, tall, light heavyweight.
He was a huge guy.
Crazy power.
And you couldn't take him down.
His wrestling was incredible.
And Babalu was tough as fuck.
Babalu was another guy.
Elite, elite fighter.
Babalu was a fucking animal, man.
There's a crazy Babalu soccer kick knockout of this really thick, muscled guy.
Forget who the dude was, but Babalu cracked him and then soccer kicked him.
It's, oh!
Oh, see if you can find that.
bas rutten
See if you can find that.
joe rogan
See if you can find that.
You've got to give Babalu his props, because Babalu was another guy, a guy that people forgot.
There it is.
bas rutten
Is that it?
joe rogan
Yes.
I forget who the guy was.
Yeah, it's right before that.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
I mean, with wrestling shoes on back then, right?
Because they would let guys fight with wrestling shoes.
Brad Kohler?
Is that who it was?
I forget who the guy was.
I think that's Brad Kohler, who was another tank.
Goddamn those early days.
Those early days were wild.
unidentified
How fun were those?
joe rogan
They're crazy.
When guys would fight with wrestling shoes on, which is very interesting because you could do so much more with movement and with that grip from the wrestling shoes.
bas rutten
I just had an event that was asked me for a student of his for Karate Combat.
So I'm at the show and he's already there.
I go, this is two months ago.
They already allowed you.
I go, yeah, man, I'm looking forward to this.
But you can see that he's trained by Eves, you know?
But Eves, that was also one of those guys that you should keep an eye on.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
bas rutten
He did the one knockout that he did one time.
joe rogan
Josh Thompson.
bas rutten
The jumping knee when he had the single leg.
Did you ever see that?
joe rogan
Yes.
bas rutten
I always told my students, I go, if somebody has a single leg on you, imagine you jump up with the same leg that you jump in, knee him in the face, and then land on that same foot again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
Freaking, Eve pulled it off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
He did it.
joe rogan
Oh, Eve was elite, man.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Eve was elite, man.
So here, this is the Josh Thompson KO. And this, by the way, this is when Josh Thompson was one of the best in the world.
So it's in a scramble.
They break loose here.
Josh Thompson gets up and Eve catches him right here.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
With a jumping round kick.
And then Josh Thompson was the first guy to ever stop Nate Diaz.
bas rutten
Yeah, I was there.
joe rogan
Same kick.
Head kick.
Head kick of Nate Diaz.
bas rutten
I was with Eve at an underground fight somewhere.
You know, the athletic commission would come in first, and they said, okay, there's not going to be...
They made up this story that it's going to be just wrestling.
Two guys are going to roll against each other.
As soon as they left the building, they closed the doors, they said, okay, everything is on, and then the real fighting started.
And I remember I'm standing next to the cage, and he's on somebody, and he said, because I'm in his corner, I trained him, and he starts, he's hitting the guy, he just crosses, crosses, crosses.
I go, Yves!
And he looks at me, I go, left hook, right straight.
And he goes, bang, bang, out.
And I go...
See, you don't want to waste any energy.
But he's always funny like that.
He goes, oh, just bam-bam.
That's the nickname now.
joe rogan
Bam-bam.
bas rutten
Bam-bam.
Password says bam-bam.
I had this story with Marco Huas.
We go to Yves Edwards in Houston, and there's this cup.
I'm drinking a Heineken outside, and this little cop is there with shades on in the middle of the night, you know, exactly, with the pumped-up arms.
And he's telling me to get rid of my beer.
So I say, sure.
So I start drinking the beer.
He says, stop drinking, stop drinking, stop drinking.
But I finish it, I throw it away.
He says, I told you to get rid of the beer.
I say, and I just did.
Everything is okay.
You want to go?
And then Yvette goes, no, he's from Holland.
Like, that's different here in America.
joe rogan
Well, it is with drinking.
bas rutten
It is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
But anyway, the guy was angry and he left.
This is an outside event.
And there's a fence in between...
Wherever it is.
And the cop now comes over, he's sitting shotgun, he has his arm hanging out the window, still with the shades on, his partner's driving, and he's just deadlocking me in the eyes.
So I moon him.
And Marco Hua stands next to me, and I go, because they start running after us, and she's like, now we gotta run.
And then it's just, we be like, the next day I wake up and Marco has his whole finger, it's like all bandaged up, and still to this day I don't know what happened, but then I said, I said to him, I said, What did you do?
He goes, you did that!
Apparently I did it, but he never said what it was.
joe rogan
You did that?
I did it.
But he didn't tell you what he had to do.
bas rutten
He did not do it.
He did not tell me.
He didn't want to incriminate himself.
Maybe it's too dark.
joe rogan
Oh, here's the flying knee.
bas rutten
This is this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Boom!
Amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was Elite XC, right?
bas rutten
Yeah, that was so badass.
Oh, Skimbo was fighting on the same show.
joe rogan
Yes.
Elite XC was crazy.
That was interesting, right?
Because wasn't that CBS? I think it was CBS. It was CBS, yes.
Yeah, which was like the early, early days, and they took a wild chance.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's when Kimbo had become, he was like the first guy to become popular from internet videos.
bas rutten
Gigantic.
unidentified
Yes.
bas rutten
I mean, we would go to freaking, if we go to a different state, they like to play video games, so we would buy a console somewhere.
But you can't walk on the street with that guy.
Everybody knows him.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, he had a crazy look, too.
The bald head with the beard.
He looked so good.
bas rutten
He was such a good guy, too.
joe rogan
The whole group.
bas rutten
That whole entourage.
Freaking laughing all day long.
It's hilarious.
Those guys are crazy.
Funny.
joe rogan
He fought that cop from Massachusetts in that wild fight that was a bare-knuckle boxing fight in a karate dojo.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember that?
bas rutten
With the guillotine that you've complained about.
Yeah.
Sean.
He won the UFC. Sean what?
unidentified
Gannon.
joe rogan
Sean Gannon.
Sean Gannon went to the UFC and he fought Brandon Lee Hinkle.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he got beat up.
unidentified
Yeah.
bas rutten
But didn't he win before he was the wildcard or something that you see before?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think Kimbo back in the day.
bas rutten
Look at him.
joe rogan
What did Kimbo die of?
He had like a heart attack or something?
bas rutten
Heart attack, yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Because he was pretty young.
He was in his 40s, right?
Yeah, so this was a brawl.
This was back when Kimbo was the man.
Everybody was terrified of Kimbo.
But Sean Gannon, who was an MMA fighter, was also a cop and was just fucking incredibly tough and had wild cardio and really knew how to, like, extend himself in, like, a real war.
And this was a crazy fight.
Look at the face!
bas rutten
Oh, he dazed him!
joe rogan
Yeah.
Sean Gannett's face, at the end of this, his face was like completely hematomated.
Yeah, so he got this guillotine.
bas rutten
And there were no jokes.
joe rogan
They said they couldn't fight in the ground.
bas rutten
No, there were no jokes.
joe rogan
But they didn't say anything about standing up.
There was like a lot of dispute about whether or not that was okay.
Why are they blurring out the back of his shirt?
bas rutten
Probably middle fingers or something.
unidentified
Logos that they probably got in trouble for marrying.
joe rogan
Probably.
Yeah, weren't you watching Who Pass TV? So this guy goes in, look at this, Kimbo's people, they're trying to separate this, because there's some dispute as to whether or not a standing guillotine constitutes grappling.
So then Kimbo gets him on the ground.
Now Kimbo's violating the rules because he's trying to ground and pound him.
And Sean pushes him off, Sean gets back up to his feet, and then they go back to war.
And so they were giving them 30 counts, not a 10 count, but a 30 count.
Because at one point in time, oh, look at that liver shot.
bas rutten
Oh, that was nice, yeah.
joe rogan
That was a nice liver shot.
bas rutten
And especially because he's southpaw.
It's a long one.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bas rutten
Bill Spence does that.
joe rogan
You can see it.
He's hurting from it.
He's hurting from it.
He's trying to shake it off.
bas rutten
Yep.
joe rogan
Again, again.
There it is, there it is.
It's the liver.
The boss rooting special.
bas rutten
Boop, boop, boop.
joe rogan
Yeah, and so this fight went on for, shit, I don't know how many minutes.
bas rutten
Yeah, a long time.
joe rogan
Fucking crazy.
bas rutten
And the pace.
joe rogan
Yeah, and so when he knocks him down, he drops him, and so Kimbo goes down, and then they start the count.
They separate him, they pulled Sean off of him.
There's a lot of people involved in this.
And then they give Kimbo like 30 seconds.
Like look how long they give it.
Play this out, play this out.
So they separate him.
17, 18, 19, 20, 21. Oh look, Sean's face is so fucked up they're blurring his face.
unidentified
Look how fucked up his face is!
joe rogan
And he gets back up.
bas rutten
Oh, come on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was over.
It was over.
Crazy.
The early days, man.
bas rutten
Those were the days.
joe rogan
See, if Kimbo was around now in bare-knuckle boxing, he'd have a place.
bas rutten
That would have been his freaking jam.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know, it's interesting.
Houston Alexander's made a resurgence.
Houston Alexander's won four fights in bare-knuckle boxing, and I think he's 50. Jeez.
He's a fucking...
unidentified
And he's a radio DJ. He just won.
51, sorry.
joe rogan
51!
bas rutten
51 years old.
joe rogan
Houston Alexander, man.
When Houston Alexander burst onto the scene in the UFC, he was starching people.
51-year-old Houston Alexander survives brutal rib-roasting, remains undefeated in bare-knuckle boxing.
Incredible.
And Houston, when he first fought in the UFC... God, what was his first fight?
Was it a...
Who did he fight?
jamie vernon
It says he knocked out Keith Jardine in 2007. That's right!
joe rogan
Pull that fight up.
Houston Alexander versus Keith Jardine.
Because Houston Alexander was all fucking...
unidentified
And this is 2007!
joe rogan
Think of that!
Think of that!
16 years ago!
He's fighting MMA, and when nobody had known him, nobody knew who he was, and he was a radio DJ. And everybody was like, look at this guy.
All jacked and muscular, but fucking incredible power.
I mean...
Yeah, and he got tested too in that fight.
Yeah, but in the clinch.
Look at this power.
bas rutten
Wow, nice.
I like that.
joe rogan
Oh, the uppercut.
This was a big, big upset at the time.
bas rutten
Oh, I remember this.
Yeah, I remember that.
joe rogan
Bro, Houston Alexander was the fucking man.
He fought Kimbo in the UFC. They had like a decision fight, but it was a crazy war.
Look at that.
Houston, motherfucking Alexander.
bas rutten
We have no problem.
That's been used too many times.
unidentified
Yeah.
bas rutten
When your name is Houston.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look how jacked he was.
Woo!
Amazing.
bas rutten
Who's the guy from the actor?
joe rogan
Oh, Common.
bas rutten
And John Wick.
joe rogan
Common.
He's a rapper.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And John Wick 3. Yeah.
Or 2. Yeah, John Wick 2. Yeah.
Houston Alexander.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
51 years old.
I love that.
Still throwing down.
Crazy.
He's basically my age.
Bare knuckle boxing and winning.
Look at that.
Amazing.
Still a bad motherfucker.
Houston Alexander remains undefeated in bare-knuckle boxing.
Man!
bas rutten
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, Joe Romero.
No one knows how old he is, because he was born in Cuba.
He might be 100 years old.
But that guy, boy, the fucking athleticism that guy had.
Everybody that fought him said hitting him is like hitting metal.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah.
And they all say he's using it.
It's always clean.
I love that.
joe rogan
Well, he was a part of the Cuban program.
bas rutten
This sounds really freaky.
joe rogan
No one really knows what they did with him when he was young.
unidentified
Oh, for real?
joe rogan
Yes.
Here's the thing.
I've told this story before.
Unfortunately, I'll tell it again for other people who haven't heard it.
He fought for the UFC and then they brought him to a doctor.
He had a fractured orbital and they brought him to a doctor and the doctor calls the UFC and goes, where did you get this guy?
And he goes, yeah, he's amazing, right?
He goes, no, no, no, you don't understand.
I've never seen a human being like this.
He goes, the tendons in his eye are three times larger than normal.
He goes, and his orbital fracture has already started healing.
He goes, this is insane.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who knows what the fuck they did over there in Cuba?
Because I think they took some pages out of the Russians, like when they created Alexander Corellin.
There's a photo in my gym out there of Corellin, and I put that photo up just to remind me of what a pussy I am.
Because it's Corellin, and he's lifting this guy up in the air.
Find that photo of Corellin, because it's Fucking wild.
That photo.
I have a giant photo of that in the gym out there.
Look at that motherfucker.
He was like six to three hundred pounds and he moved like a cat.
And he was famous for hoisting people up in the air and fucking slamming them on the ground.
bas rutten
People would lay flat on the floor and he would still suplex them.
joe rogan
Go to Alexander Carell in Highlight.
Yeah, because they were just terrified.
His wrestling was so different because he was killing you with the ground.
He was smashing you into the ground.
He was basically beating you up with the ground.
Everybody else was trying to wrestle.
unidentified
He was trying to pound you into the ground.
joe rogan
I mean, undefeated up until he fought Rulon Garner.
Look at this.
The athleticism that this guy had.
It was crazy.
Look at the size of that motherfucker!
By the way, the idea that he's clean is just shut the fuck up.
unidentified
Just stop.
joe rogan
Just let that all go.
Who cares?
Just look what's possible.
Look what's possible with Russian science and technique.
Obviously the technique was stellar too, but the training, the discipline, everything.
And this guy was a motherfucker, dude.
Look at that.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
And these are 270 pound men.
Big men.
Heavyweights.
And he was so fucking terrifying.
Amazing.
bas rutten
What happened with the Roland Gartner thing?
I know he beat him, but it was something controversial.
joe rogan
It was a new rule.
The new rule was, it's Greco-Roman, and the new rule is if you could separate the grip, it was one point.
And Roulon separated his grip.
But that rule didn't exist before then.
It doesn't mean anything.
They gave him a point for that.
I guess it's because there wasn't enough points being scored in some of the matches.
So they changed this.
They didn't change it for Rulon.
They just changed it and Rulon won.
And Rulon was another beast.
bas rutten
Listen, his story, like a plane crash, everybody's dead, he swims to the shore.
joe rogan
Is that what happened?
bas rutten
Oh, dude, he almost lost his foot, frostbite, everything.
He survives everything, this guy.
joe rogan
That was a different thing, right?
The frostbite was a snowmobile accident, I believe.
bas rutten
Oh, I thought it was from the swimming back to the shore after the plane crashed.
joe rogan
I think with Rulon, the thing was...
So Rulon was also an enormous country-fed motherfucker who was a hell of a wrestler.
Hell of a wrestler.
And he went off to fight in pride.
Remember?
bas rutten
Yeah, but that's what I mean.
I helped him with Ryan Parsons.
That's why I was in the corner.
That's why you heard these crazy stories.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that was 0-0, and then Rulon got him to separate the grip at one point in time.
And that was it.
You find it?
unidentified
Yeah, I think that was it.
joe rogan
That was it?
bas rutten
That was it.
He just won.
jamie vernon
And then when they come back, he's up 1-0, so...
joe rogan
Yeah, interesting.
unidentified
This is right here.
jamie vernon
They went to the tape to check about his grip here.
joe rogan
So he gets...
unidentified
...brings their arms above the shoulders first, and they both go at the same time, and there you see...
joe rogan
Right there.
He just changed his hands.
unidentified
How were the officials interpreted?
My interpretation there is they both came up at the same time and Corellin broke his lock.
He could be penalized a point.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
And that's the great Jeff Blatnick doing commentary.
bas rutten
Yeah.
Good guy.
Rest in peace.
joe rogan
The nicest.
bas rutten
So nice guy.
joe rogan
The nicest.
bas rutten
Instrumental.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
Also in the rules.
Together with Big John.
joe rogan
Yeah, instrumental also in bringing credibility to the UFC because here you have this guy who's this Olympic wrestler, this elite wrestler, who is embracing MMA and talking about how important it is.
Yeah, and this is what they would do.
They would flatten out.
bas rutten
Yeah, Rulon, like you said, he's a freaking animal too, man.
He's a special human being.
Why don't you go to the Olympics?
You know, you're...
Freaks.
joe rogan
One point in Rulon Gardner, gold medalist.
bas rutten
Wow.
joe rogan
And then he went off to fight in Pride, and when he was fighting in Pride, he was jabbing people.
Just fucking hitting them with that giant canned ham fist of his.
bas rutten
Boom!
I'm just thinking about the karate car who won the gold medal by getting knocked out.
Do you remember the last Olympics?
joe rogan
Oh yes, yes.
bas rutten
Imagine you wake up and say, what happened?
You're the world champion, dude.
joe rogan
Because in karate, in the Olympics, you're not supposed to hit him hard.
bas rutten
But he bobbed into it when you saw it.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
bas rutten
Karate combat tried to have those guys fighting full contact in the karate combat cage.
So unfortunately it didn't happen.
joe rogan
So this dude, he went right into that kick and he lost because of that in 2020, which is insane.
I mean, it literally makes zero sense.
Insane.
bas rutten
Yeah, because he depped into it.
He bobbed into it.
It's 100% legal.
joe rogan
And look at this, he's got the COVID mask on too.
That's crazy.
bas rutten
Remember that crap?
joe rogan
We're never going to forget those stupid masks.
bas rutten
Oh, I was so happy we didn't do that with our gym.
I just taped everything off.
And then we just let everybody go on the backside.
And not one.
At COVID. Everybody's rolling in the gym.
Everybody's doing it.
Just be freaking healthy.
joe rogan
We were lied to.
It wasn't something that was terrifying and dangerous to fit people.
It just wasn't.
It was dangerous to people that already had comorbidities.
94% of the people that died had some massive comorbidity.
Multiple comorbidities for some of them.
It's just...
It was a strange time, and obviously there was a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on right now if you go and try to think about what should have been done or shouldn't have been done.
But most people that were healthy should have been left alone.
bas rutten
That's it, especially with the ventilator stuff.
There's a lot of people died there.
joe rogan
Oh, that was another report that just came out.
The people that died in the ventilators died from the ventilators, a giant percentage of them.
They shouldn't have been put on the ventilators, and this doctor was saying that they put people on the ventilators to protect the hospital staff and the doctors and the nurses, because these people had COVID, and they figured, well, let's just put them on a ventilator, and they didn't realize they were, like, destroying their lungs.
bas rutten
But how—I still, till this day, I can't get it, so there's a lot of people need to be in on it now, right?
joe rogan
Even the doctors— I don't think they were in on it.
I just think that they didn't know what was going on.
Brainwashing?
Yeah.
And then there was also people telling, you know, there was Fauci and all these people that were telling people that this was this horrible, devastating illness that was going to destroy everyone and no one was safe.
You have to get vaccinated.
No one's safe, which is crazy.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you get it?
bas rutten
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You never got COVID at all?
bas rutten
Oh, I got COVID, but I did Ivermectin and it was five days.
It was good.
I had no problem.
And I've been traveling.
We went to Budapest.
We did everything for the Karate Combat Shows.
I don't know if you ever saw the show with the background, with the people flying.
We go back in the future.
We go in the past.
We go to the roots of Okinawa.
It's all because of green screens that we had with the Unreal Engine, you know, that...
That they created and now it's live because in the beginning they couldn't do live shows with it.
So that's recently till like three years ago.
Now you can do it live like The Mandalorian, you know, Blade Runner.
They all use that, those movies.
And now that's the technology that Karate Combat uses and now it can be live.
So before it was...
Life to tape.
And everybody had to shut up.
Nobody could say if they won or lost.
They go, stop betting.
joe rogan
Well, there was definitely some MMA fights where the results were available, but the public didn't know about them and people bet on them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I had heard about a bunch of those.
bas rutten
Oh, look at this.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
That's amazing.
They did it all with a green screen.
bas rutten
Ah, they did it, man.
joe rogan
Wow.
bas rutten
We're doing a really good job.
joe rogan
How many events are you guys having a year?
bas rutten
Eight to ten this year now.
joe rogan
Yeah?
bas rutten
Yeah.
The chairman.
And then we have the vice president, Kovac, who used to be a gold medal winner in the Olympics, not the Olympics, on the World Championships in 2009, I believe.
And he's gathering everybody together.
But then you see that fight, you know, the Rafael Agaev, you know, for Raymond Daniels, it would suck, but it put freaking karate on the map.
Nobody would have expected that.
And the same what you saw with Joshua Craig getting knocked out by Ibrahim.
That was a guy who was only doing point fighting.
And now the guy that you just saw kicking the guy in the face, it was his very first full contact match.
The guy never fought full contact.
joe rogan
Oh wow, so he just came straight from point.
bas rutten
So these guys are doing freaking phenomenal, you know?
joe rogan
I always said that that was the one thing that was missing from MMA. Before Michael Venom Page entered, I was like...
A really elite point fighter, the way they can close distance is so different.
bas rutten
So badass.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
Their ability to blitz and leap forward, like those guys are so accustomed to doing that against other elite black belts, like fainting, fainting, fainting, and they dive in.
For a regular fighter, an MMA fighter, maybe a plotting kind of a guy, like they're sitting ducks.
bas rutten
But you can see, Wonderboy, Ryota Machina.
That's a different level, man.
White stance and it's still moving really agile.
joe rogan
How about Wonderboy still fucking winning?
Still winning.
bas rutten
He's 40 years old.
joe rogan
How old is Wonderboy?
Is he 40?
He's got to be 40. With the fact that he beat...
Kevin Holland, who's a motherfucker.
bas rutten
The way.
He was standing here and he finds a kick through the guard.
I mean, his timing is bizarre.
I just did a seminar with him and his father, Ray, in Kentucky.
Somerville, Kentucky.
They're good people, man.
He makes you feel good.
All the time.
joe rogan
Is he in North Carolina?
Is that where he is?
bas rutten
South.
joe rogan
South Carolina?
That's where he is now?
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, those guys, man.
What Wonderboy...
First of all, Kevin Holland did the craziest thing in that fight.
He agreed to not go to the ground.
He was like, let's not go to the ground.
Let's just stand up and fight.
Like, okay, now he doesn't have to think about takedowns at all?
This is not what you want.
This is not what you want.
bas rutten
That was not a smart decision.
unidentified
No.
bas rutten
There was Kevin Randleman to me in the elevator the day before the fight.
It opens up and I'm by myself and there he is.
unidentified
And he gets in and the door closes and we can see each other's reflection.
joe rogan
Oh no!
bas rutten
And I go, what's up dude?
He goes, I'm doing good, I'm doing good.
He says, listen, if you promise to keep your feet on the ground, I won't take you down.
So if I wouldn't kick him, He would not take me down.
Wow.
I go, serious?
unidentified
Yeah.
bas rutten
I go, huh?
I said, let me think about that because I'm just laughing and he's laughing.
unidentified
So the elevator goes open and I say, okay, good luck tomorrow.
bas rutten
He goes, yeah, you two.
So the elevator closed.
So the first, we're in the fight and the first thing he does is slapping his thigh, like kick me.
unidentified
And I go like, wait, wait, wait, wait, you just sat.
bas rutten
So my plan must not go and kick anyway.
Because against a wrestler like that, if I kick, he's going to grab my kick and that's it, right?
So as soon as he'd be invited, I thought, oh, I got you.
I'm going to act like I did a roundhouse kick and I'm going to turn it into a front kick.
So if he thinks it's a roundhouse kick and he's going to shoot in, I'm going to kick him straight on the face with the front kick, with my heel, fight's over, bada bing, bada boom, I won.
That was the game plan.
Didn't work out like that.
So as soon as I made the kick, he backed away.
And I go, wait...
He backs away from my kicks.
Let's start kicking.
And then the second kick actually took me down.
joe rogan
He set me up.
You won that fight primarily off your back.
bas rutten
Yeah, that's what Big John said.
joe rogan
Because you can't just lay on top of a guy and you are smashing with elbows and punches off of your back.
bas rutten
Yeah.
His son just won the Nevada Championship this weekend on Saturday Basketball.
Yeah, I was posting about that.
The basketball team.
So that was really cool.
joe rogan
Kevin Randleman was such a freak.
So athletic.
Wouldn't he have knocked out Mirko Krokop?
bas rutten
Dude.
joe rogan
Crazy!
bas rutten
And then, the second fight, right after that, he suplexes Fedor Emelianenko.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
unidentified
When is this going to happen?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Yeah.
But Fedor, man.
The fact that seconds later, he catches him in an armbar.
bas rutten
Cheek.
joe rogan
Yeah, special guy.
Oh my god.
Fedor was, you know, when we look at GOATS... He's gotta be in there.
He's gotta be in there.
I think Jon Jones, if you want to say who's the best ever...
God, it's hard to argue with Jon Jones.
Never lost, beat everybody.
Fought everybody.
bas rutten
Yep.
joe rogan
Smashed everybody.
b-real
And then goes up to the heavyweight and makes it easy.
bas rutten
Yep.
joe rogan
I mean, obviously you can't do MMA math, but if you look at what Francis Ngannou had a long fight with Cyril Gann, and Jon Jones just took him apart instantaneously.
bas rutten
In seconds, yep.
joe rogan
You know?
bas rutten
He's an animal.
And he's...
Super talented.
This is a guy that if he stays straight, like on everything, also the outside fighting, you know, it's gonna be very hard to beat.
He's got no patterns.
He doesn't have any pattern.
It's constantly switching.
It's like hard to figure a guy like that out.
I was training him.
I was interviewing him before a fight in Albuquerque, and they flew me over for Inside MMA. And he says, what are you doing afterwards?
I said, I'll go to the hotel.
I'm gonna eat something.
He says, man, Can you train me for an hour?
I go, sure, yeah, I would love that.
So we're on the focus mids, and I let him hit the four shots, and he goes, toot, toot, toot.
I say, go faster, you're faster than this.
I go, pa, pa, pa.
I said, do it.
Go fast.
I said, just think this.
Just think that in your head.
And he goes, and he stops and he looks at me and goes like, dude!
I go, yeah, because this is how I work with sound effects.
If you keep them high paced, your body will automatically trigger and you're going to be that fast.
I go, dude!
So two weeks later, I have Greg Jackson on the show and he's walking in on the inside of me.
I go, Greg, what's up?
And he goes, I'm doing good.
He said, what have you been doing to the gym?
I go, what do you mean?
He says, everybody's making these stupid, crazy sound effects.
I say, are they faster and more explosive?
He goes, yeah.
I go, you're welcome, dude.
joe rogan
Where did that come from?
Is that something you just invented yourself?
bas rutten
I always did that.
You know, I put combination, only reload punches, there's a beat.
So if I say two and a cross hook, will be two, and then a cross hook.
unidentified
So pa-pa, pa-pa.
bas rutten
That's the first, in my mind, it's already.
When I throw a combination, it's immediately identified with a pattern.
So with three shots, one, two, three, and then a lever shot cross, ta-ta-ta, ta-ta.
That's in my head right away.
Pa-pa-pow, pa-pow.
And I've always been doing that somehow.
It's really weird.
unidentified
I got this crazy, crazy student.
bas rutten
He's the lead actor of Night Agent.
Did you hear about that new show on Netflix?
It broke the top five of higher viewers ever from the top five.
So it's big.
Gabriel Basso is his name.
And he's a great actor.
He was in Hillbilly Elegy.
He was one of the main guys there.
The story was about him.
But anyway, this guy is a freak.
Like he trained...
Two and a half months with us.
Yes, he had some experience before, but when you give him instructions, he immediately does it.
Kevin James is like one of those guys, but then this one is...
When I came home, my wife said, how is he?
I go, he's me, but way better than me.
And the way he hits, the first time I told him, when I saw him, I say, if you get in a street fight, do not hit the person in the head.
You're going to kill a guy.
I mean, that's how hard he hits.
185, he jacks my arms off.
It's like bizarre.
You know, but listening to instructions immediately does everything you say.
So he's on a movie set for 10 weeks and he calls me and says, hey, I'm gonna be home in between before I start shooting the movie, the Netflix show.
I have like 10 days, I wanna fight.
You've been training.
He said, a little bit on the back.
I go, you sure you want to do that?
He said, yeah, I just want to know how it feels.
I go, okay, so let me face some phone calls.
So I make a phone call.
I got in contact with George Francis.
He's owning a Thai boxing company.
And we find a guy for him.
He's 701. He's a tall guy, 6'5".
And I say, you want to do that?
He goes, yeah, yeah, sure.
And they're already asking me, are you sure?
Because he never fought.
I said, listen, man, the guy is a freak, but I don't know how he's going to perform under pressure, but that's always the big question mark.
But it looks to me, since he's an actor and since he's dealing with pressure the whole time, I think it's going to be okay.
But you never know.
But I think it will be okay.
This is the fight.
This is the fight, yeah.
So he comes up with this song.
unidentified
The Atlantic Commission lady goes, that's a stupid song.
bas rutten
And he goes, hey, hey, while he's walking up, hey, hey, that's my song.
Don't talk bad about my song.
He's like, completely, like, whatever.
joe rogan
Just very relaxed.
bas rutten
Yeah, and I tell him, I say, what do I do?
I say, left hook to the head and across to the body.
Boom.
There's the liver shot starts.
This is just, this is the very first time that he fought, right?
So I... I stand and want you to throw a left hook to the head, who's undefeated, 7-0, left hook, and then he throws a left hook with a cross to the body.
And he comes from a movie set.
He didn't train a lick.
You gotta know that as well, right?
I mean, he hasn't been sparring, and in the second time of training, second day training, he broke his hand.
Hopefully he hurt his hand.
No, I want it to cross to the body.
unidentified
It's coming, boom.
bas rutten
There we go.
joe rogan
There it is.
bas rutten
So now he gets an eight count, and he's looking at me, what do I do?
I go, do the same thing.
Who crossed to the body?
And then he just, once that connects, that guy afterwards went like that.
I've never been hit like this.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
It is funny how some people just have natural power.
It's very weird, isn't it?
bas rutten
Yeah, but also without, like I said, without training, never been in there, just wanted to do this.
I go, dude, are you sure?
And then his right hand, he hurts on the second day of training, which, by the way, he had only seven days.
There he goes.
Yeah, this is it.
joe rogan
Wow.
bas rutten
Just across to the body.
joe rogan
Power is a strange thing.
It's like you either have it or you do not have it.
bas rutten
He just did that.
I just saw him post yesterday something.
They have these bars that you grab with the fingers, you know, those flat things you have to pull up.
86 kilos he lifted.
joe rogan
Jesus.
bas rutten
So just with grip strength.
It's flat, the bar, right?
joe rogan
What is that, like 190 pounds?
What is 86 kilos?
bas rutten
Yeah, that's around that.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
bas rutten
That's crazy, right?
That's crazy.
He just does it.
And then he's a drummer, and then a crazy drummer.
Then he's an artist.
He makes drawings.
Well, his agency gets a phone call from some art gallery saying that he could be the next big thing.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So he's just a guy who could do anything.
bas rutten
He can do anything.
joe rogan
Wow.
There's people like that out there.
bas rutten
Oh yeah, and a bunch of them that we don't even know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know.
That's what's wild.
Well, that's where a guy like Houston Alexander just slips in the mix and knocks out Keith Jardine.
There's a lot of those guys out there.
There's guys out there.
There's freaks out there.
Yeah.
bas rutten
Is that a great thing about life?
joe rogan
It is a great thing about life.
It's an interesting thing about life, though.
You would never imagine, you know, you'd never imagine that certain people have certain skills or that certain people just, they have an ability to learn things.
bas rutten
Do you believe, you have to, right?
The aliens are already living among us, right?
Aliens?
joe rogan
Now we're talking, boss.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now you're talking my language.
unidentified
No, but why can't they...
bas rutten
Like freaking Yoel Romero.
You're talking about that, right?
Three times bigger freaking things.
joe rogan
I don't think he's an alien.
I think he's a product of a sports program that's very elite.
Also, there's genetics.
There's incredible training.
There's a lot going on, but I don't think the aliens are even remotely interested in fighting.
bas rutten
No, no.
I'm not saying that, but if they live among us, there's got to be freaks, right?
But they cannot expose themselves.
Right?
Because otherwise everybody would know.
joe rogan
Maybe that's Jon Jones' secret.
Maybe he's an alien.
bas rutten
Yeah, got us.
joe rogan
Maybe Mighty Mouse is an alien too.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think if there are aliens amongst us, they're watching us to make sure we don't blow ourselves up.
bas rutten
That's 100%, yeah.
But that's why they hang out at the...
Nuclear sites a lot, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've had so many conversations with people that are...
bas rutten
Yeah, Ryan Graves.
That was a nice interview.
joe rogan
Very interesting, right?
bas rutten
But the cool thing was, you know, because that's when I put it together with Mr. Kakuta that you had also, but...
They were talking about when they would arrive.
The aliens were already waiting for them.
They knew exactly where they were going to go.
And I go, that's quantum computers.
He was talking about that.
There's no more secrets.
joe rogan
Yes.
bas rutten
You see?
So they're already way ahead.
joe rogan
I mean, if they're just a thousand years more advanced than us, just a thousand.
Yeah.
bas rutten
Oh.
joe rogan
Impossible to understand what they're capable of.
And now maybe a million years.
Imagine if they're a million years more advanced.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's what I tell people.
We, our age, we saw every...
I saw our TV change from black and white to color.
joe rogan
Yes.
bas rutten
From 12 channels, you have to press the button and it turns orange, like click, click, you know, 12 buttons.
unidentified
Yeah.
bas rutten
That was it.
Remote control.
Oh my god!
And then we would go out.
It was pretty much universal.
We would go to other people on the outside, you know, they're watching TV and we would change the channel and we thought it was hilarious and I just started hitting the TV. And then the phones and the cell phones.
joe rogan
I remember the first time there was an answering machine.
I was like, this is the craziest thing.
You can call someone and leave a message.
This is nuts.
bas rutten
I had a voice dialer.
You know, there's things you say, home, and then you hold it against the phone, and then it was called.
My buddy's going like, oh my god.
I said, they're going to have this in phones.
He goes, no!
They're going to be phones without a wire 100%.
I said, they're going to have this in there.
I guarantee you that.
There has to be.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
What we're experiencing now is probably the biggest change in human civilization that the world has ever seen.
And it's happening right in front of us, just with the internet and then with social media and smartphones and all these things that have happened since the early 1990s to what we're experiencing now.
I remember when I first came to Hollywood in 1994, I got a computer.
My friend Robbie took me to CompUSA.
Remember CompUSA?
And I had a computer and a dial-up modem.
It was a 14-4 modem.
It took forever just to download text.
Just to watch text.
But I was like, this is insane.
This is insane.
bas rutten
We had the Commodore 64. 64 stood for 64,000 kilobytes.
That was it.
Played everything on it.
Freaking Tetris.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
That's not even a picture on a freaking phone right now.
joe rogan
I know.
It's nothing.
bas rutten
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
bas rutten
You know, I remember in also 94, 95, I was, Murray Smith was fighting for Pancras and we came in his hotel room and he had speakers in every corner and he had a computer.
And I go, what's that?
He goes, it's a computer.
He says, it's going to be right now in 10 years.
It's going to be the biggest thing ever.
I go, that thing?
He goes, just mark my words.
unidentified
Wow.
bas rutten
He was right.
joe rogan
He was right.
He had speakers in his hotel room?
unidentified
Yeah.
bas rutten
He had like connected speakers, like in every corner he had a speaker, so he had a good sound system in his hotel room.
Yeah.
It's funny.
You know what I had?
Pelagons with targets everywhere.
That's my hotel room.
Oh yeah, in Japan, you can buy these Glock.
When I traveled to Holland, they stopped me and they go, boss?
He says, this is the real one.
And they put my Glock 17 next to it.
They go, okay, yeah.
Exactly the same.
Especially because it's ceramic.
It's also plastic.
But I was really good with them because they always ask me, why did you learn how to shoot?
I go, that's a little it.
In Japan, I would just shoot Little targets.
We would shoot each other on the street, the guys, the fighters.
We were only allowed to shoot each other.
And below the waist, below the waist.
unidentified
Oh, God.
If you imagine playing video games, you'd shoot yourself in a dick with a pellet gun?
bas rutten
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Those were fucking powerful, too, man.
bas rutten
Those were okay.
They were like little plastic balls.
Did you see the guy, the samurai guy on, what is it, Stan Lee's Superhumans?
You saw the show, right?
Where they shoot the pellet gun at him, and with the samurai sword, he cuts it in half?
joe rogan
Wow, really?
bas rutten
Yeah, you see that in slow motion.
I think it's 500 feet a second, the gun shoots, and he's just standing with his sword.
And as soon as the guy shoots, you see him cutting it, and he freaking hits the pallet.
You look it up.
joe rogan
Okay, we'll find that.
Yeah.
bas rutten
Oh, look at this!
There we go.
joe rogan
That's insane.
unidentified
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
That is insane.
unidentified
By the time they moved the sword into position, the pellet would have traveled past them.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
And then he finds the pellet sliced in half.
bas rutten
Dude.
unidentified
Yeah, there's people like that out there.
joe rogan
Practice over and over and over and over again.
bas rutten
There's this guy who comes to pick somebody up for an interview, and he's on a tandem, and he's blind.
joe rogan
What?
bas rutten
And he picks the interviewee up, the Stanley Superior.
You go...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bas rutten
Echo location.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
And they bring him to a different city so he doesn't know anything.
They put him in the front of a phone booth.
And I'm not talking a phone booth.
You open up and you see the phone.
He goes, that's a phone.
I go, okay.
That's a car.
That's a trash can.
That's a smaller car.
joe rogan
Wow.
bas rutten
Yeah, just by making sounds.
Dude, so people out there, man, I love that kind of stuff.
Putting plates to your head, did you see that?
Ceramic, anything.
Doesn't need to be metal, wood.
With his mind, he can rap.
Grab anything and attach it to his head.
joe rogan
What?
bas rutten
Yeah, it's also Stan Lee's.
joe rogan
How?
bas rutten
He said his mind will trap it, and then he does it with ceramic plates.
unidentified
It stays, it sticks to his freaking forehead.
joe rogan
It's not a trick?
bas rutten
It's not a trick.
No, scientists are literally going after him.
But that's the same with Joel, Joel, Joel...
What's his name?
Greenstein?
Did you ever hear about him?
Oh, dude.
The Mighty Adam?
joe rogan
No.
bas rutten
You never heard about the Mighty Adam?
joe rogan
No.
bas rutten
Hallelujah, man, this guy.
130 pounds, strongest man in the world.
People go, yeah, right.
Six of 12 pennies, he'll bite in half, bite straight through.
You go, nah, that's not true.
No, no, no.
He has dentists and doctors.
They're writing journals about this guy because it's impossible what he's doing.
You give him a horseshoe and he says, what size, what form you want to have it?
The question mark, he goes, he says he becomes one with it.
He says, I just become one with the metal.
He just bends it in front of you.
What is his name?
Joel Greenstein, the mighty Adam.
joe rogan
So what is this from?
bas rutten
He stopped the plane.
joe rogan
1928?
bas rutten
Yeah, around, yeah.
He's fighting.
This is in the time when the Nazis came and the propaganda, and this was in New York.
And there's this article about him, a newspaper article that the police says, we came there to save the crowd from him, not to save him from the crowd, because he was tearing those Nazis a new one.
joe rogan
Wow.
bas rutten
Good.
joe rogan
Started wrestling and left Poland for the United States.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm going to try to find it.
jamie vernon
It's just a bunch of articles about him.
joe rogan
He bit through nails, broke chains, and held down an airplane with his hair.
bas rutten
Yeah.
Some other guy tried it.
He freaking died.
joe rogan
He was assaulted by six men, sent them all to the hospital.
Single-handedly beat up 20 Nazi sympathizers.
Wow.
bas rutten
Dude, they shot him in his forehead like a.22 because the guy was in love with his wife and he wanted his wife.
It didn't penetrate the skull.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
bas rutten
So here he is.
This is at the very...
What's he doing here?
unidentified
I don't know.
bas rutten
He's going to do something.
unidentified
have audio.
I think the mayor is to the lumber.
Let's examine it.
jamie vernon
He used his hand to put the nail in wood.
unidentified
Whoa.
bas rutten
Watch this.
joe rogan
He's bending nails with his teeth.
bas rutten
He bites through him.
Look.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
bas rutten
Dude, I read his book.
unidentified
It's exactly the same as I said.
Clean living.
No smoking.
No alcohol.
No squandering your life nights by playing cards in stuffy rooms.
And keep oxygen out of your lungs.
And inhale monoxide and dioxide and get cancer of the lungs and also weak heart and heart attack and kaput.
Whoa.
Weird.
bas rutten
Dude, his book, it's insanity.
You go like, there's no way this is possible.
And they go to a dentist and he checks out his teeth and while he's doing it, he bites the metal thing that is in his mouth, bites it in half.
unidentified
And the guy writes about that.
bas rutten
What are you going to do against a guy like this?
135 pounds.
joe rogan
Well, there's people that are just built different, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you've got to think.
There's guys with big noses, little noses, guys with little dicks, giant dicks.
People that are built different.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a big spectrum of how people are built.
bas rutten
I like how you go from gnosis to dicks.
joe rogan
That's what it is, right?
It's like big brains, small brains.
Some people's brains work great.
Some people's brains are just like dog shit.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that's a weird thing, you know, going back to power.
Like, why people have power.
Like, you can't predict.
You get a guy who's like first day of classes, and you have him hit a heavy bag, and you just go, Jesus Christ, what the fuck is he doing?
How can he do it?
And then you have someone who looks athletic, and you have them do it, and they just can't generate any power.
It's very strange.
bas rutten
You saw that guy who goes dressed up as the maintenance guy to these big gyms, and he's like a world champion powerlifting, but he dresses up like he's a guy who just works there.
joe rogan
No.
bas rutten
And he starts telling, oh, this is hilarious.
These bodybuilders, these big giant guys.
He says, you do it wrong.
You should do it like this.
They go, dude, you work here, man.
Look at me.
Look at this muscle.
And then the little guy just starts bench pressing with their weight.
What's this guy?
joe rogan
That little guy?
unidentified
Yeah, I've seen those videos.
joe rogan
Oh, so he's wearing that outfit to kind of hide his physique.
unidentified
Yeah.
Happy life, you know.
These guys. - For abs training, yo.
Yes, you can touch me too.
What's up, guys?
Welcome to my channel.
jamie vernon
This is Anatoly on YouTube.
joe rogan
I didn't know he had a big YouTube channel.
So he's a big-time power lifter.
bas rutten
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And there's nobody stronger in the world than power lifters.
Just doing those cleans and presses and the full body exercises.
unidentified
And he's doing it with slides on.
It's fine.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
jamie vernon
I'll tell people their form's bad.
bas rutten
It's my favorite.
joe rogan
He's doing hammer curls with 100-pound dumbbells.
Look at that guy!
Look at how the bar is bending.
That's insane!
Anatoly on YouTube.
He's got 16 million views.
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
On that video, yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus, 1.86 million subscribers and 16 million views on that video.
That's nuts.
bas rutten
You see guys like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's guys out there.
Yeah.
bas rutten
And you got to watch out.
Because you haven't been fighting as well.
And then you're making a statement against the wrong guy, right?
Chris Horideski.
Imagine that guy on the street.
Hey, babyface.
unidentified
You want to go?
joe rogan
Horideski was a perfect example, right?
He was such a cute guy.
bas rutten
He went to the International Fight League.
Remember that organization?
That was one of the coaches there.
Sean Tompkins.
He said, watch him.
And he fought a guy from Hansel Grace's team.
And I go, dude, he's a kid.
He says, just watch him.
joe rogan
He was like 18 at the time, right?
bas rutten
Oh, yeah.
And he just annihilates the guy.
He became an instant favorite because of the babyface, you know?
But just a freaking killer.
joe rogan
When you see a guy like that, you wonder, like, he was so young when he fought in the UFC. I wonder, like, maybe if he got One of the problems with joining something like the UFC is that you are in with the elite of the elite, and if you keep winning, you can only win so many times before you're going to fight someone who's a motherfucker.
And if you're 20 years old, unless you're Jon Jones, who fights Shogun for his, you know, he's 22 years old, he wins the world title, becomes the youngest ever UFC champion.
But that's so rare.
bas rutten
That's one.
joe rogan
So many guys get ruined because they weren't really quite ready for that level.
And unlike boxing, where they'll get you ready for that by exposing you to different styles, exposing you to, you know, this guy's long and lanky, this guy's a body puncher.
bas rutten
It's egos and it's managers.
Are you listening to your manager and if he's a good manager for you, he will do it the right way.
joe rogan
Right.
bas rutten
But otherwise, if they look at the big money, like all these guys in Japan, they go, I can fight Shakuraba for like $100,000.
They go, if you lose horribly, you'll never be back.
Just know that.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
If you get a guy to, like, imagine if you were training today, training people today, and you got a young guy.
Would you want him to fight?
Here's the other problem.
If you want him to fight in other organizations, boy, there's some murderers in these other organizations that people don't even know about.
These assassins.
I'm sure the PFL has them.
I know Bellator has them.
I know 1FC has them.
I mean, there's some stone-cold killers over there.
bas rutten
Just fighting a lot.
That's what I say.
And for the pressure in the beginning, don't tell anybody you're going to fight.
Do it out of state.
So then if you lose, you don't even have to tell people.
If you win, you can say, hey, I just fought and I won.
I think that's the best way because I think it's very hard for a fighter right now with all the pressure on the social media.
They don't fight for themselves.
They fight for the people.
And I think that's a big problem to have.
You don't need to...
Don't give a crap about anybody.
If you just care about yourself, only in fighting, of course.
You don't want to be a douche.
But if you really mastered that, and I think that I, at that time, that was it.
People say, why do you think it works?
I say, because I fight for me.
Yeah, but for your family.
I go, no.
Not for your family.
I said, no, because that's too much pressure on me.
If I fight for me, and I just only about me, I don't give a crap.
And that means I will fight at my best.
And once I fight at my best, chances I'm going to win is very high.
And then my family automatically is going to be taken care of, right?
joe rogan
Right.
bas rutten
So once you start putting, oh, I got to win this because otherwise I can't do this or can't do that, that's a bad one.
joe rogan
Well, it's not a good thing to focus on.
The best thing to focus on is your performance.
Focus on fighting, focus on technique, focus on, yeah.
bas rutten
The flow!
It's everything!
joe rogan
Where did you develop this mindset?
Did you figure it out on your own?
Did you learn any of it from other people?
bas rutten
Well, I absolutely didn't have it in Thai boxing.
Like, they always thought, oh, this is a great kickboxer from Holland.
Yeah, I knocked a lot of people out, but it wasn't pretty.
I was just very blessed with genetics, but I was the dojo fighter, so I was really good in the dojo, but I couldn't put that same game under pressure yet.
And that changed the first fight in Japan.
I was a hothead.
I had nine knockouts, eight in the first round, one in the second.
That was all knockouts, and that was in Thai boxing.
And I realized if I go to Japan on the day of the fight, I found out he was 32 pounds heavier than I was.
I didn't know there was no weight classes.
And then I found out there was only one round, but it was 30 minutes.
I go, shoot.
So I figured that if I explode in the first three minutes and I can't put him away, well, I got 27 more minutes to go.
So maybe I got to calm down.
That's when the R started coming on my hand from relax.
Coincidentally, rustig.
That's the Dutch word for it.
And I remember my very first fight.
joe rogan
Tell people what we're talking about, because you talked about it in the other podcast, but you used to write an R on your hand.
bas rutten
But it coincidentally starts, the words are the same, relax.
And I just, because at my corner, I never had a coach.
I trained myself.
So if I would get hit, the only thing they shout, stay calm, stay calm, because I'm a hothead.
I want to break right away.
And I remember the very first time, it was...
It was the wildest.
It's almost like I had two voices.
One is the voice who wants to finish it, finish it, go in for the kill.
And the other one says, take your time, take your life.
And there was this thing that happened.
First of all, I started fighting and I heard everybody speaking.
The American people who were sitting there, I knew what they were talking about.
Which was weird already.
Just before the fight.
This is like literally standing up for my opponent.
Why would I hear all these people?
And then we started fighting.
And the first thing that happens, I kick him in the head.
And as soon as I plant my foot, I blast forward.
And he was 6'3", so I hit him with a palm strike, knocked him out.
He's on the ground.
Now the crazy stuff happened.
So I want to run because it was an eighth count.
I want to run to my corner because once I'm in the corner, that means I give him less rest, right?
That's when they start counting.
But something in me told me not to do that.
And this is really wild because it was almost like I wasn't in control of that.
So I wanted to go to the corner and then this person said to me because I saw his eyes were open.
He says, no, it was way more important to step there, give him a beat, look at him, and then turn around, walk very slowly to your corner.
Because somehow, this is what the guys, this is what I got, that will be way more intimidating for him than for me running to the corner.
unidentified
Right.
bas rutten
And it blew me.
While I'm walking back, I'm thinking, go faster, go faster.
And it's, no, just go calm.
And then you see me hanging like this.
joe rogan
But you're your own coach.
bas rutten
It was the wildest crazy.
It was flicking all over the place.
And then that one person, whoever it was, said today, stay calm, stay calm.
We're just relaxing.
And I'm like, you see me hanging like nothing.
It's all an act.
If you pull the fight up, it's like, because I want to run to the corner.
And then I just look at him, give him a beat.
And I walk very slow.
But like I'm saying, there was this inner thing going on.
It was just bizarre.
And that was it.
And then from that moment on, every fight I was like, wow, I even felt better than in training.
Because everything would slow down.
It was an experience.
joe rogan
It's interesting how sometimes a very high pressure moment will open up like a new level of your ability.
bas rutten
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
The bubble.
That's what I call it.
I'm in the bubble and it's like, I only allow the things that I want to come in, I allow.
And for the rest that I don't need, I'm not.
It's the most peaceful...
Feeling, and now I know why.
I read, you know, the Stolen Focus book for Johan Hari.
You know, that's a really good book.
And he says, you know, it's because in fighting, my mind would be calm.
Because my ADD, I'm all over the place.
I have six conversations going on while I'm talking to you.
I mean, it goes really, it's very hard to control.
But in fighting, or in training really hard sparring, it's completely...
That's gone.
I got one focus.
Because if I don't focus, I'm gonna get knocked out.
So fighting to me was always a very comfort thing to do.
It was so relaxed because peace finally in my head.
Yeah, that's it.
And then I used the ADD just for my workouts to go crazier and crazier.
Then again, you know, it's great to have, but once you stop fighting, that's the trap, right?
Now we're going to replace that good feeling, and it's probably alcohol or drugs, and that's when everybody goes down, including me.
Yeah.
joe rogan
For so many fighters, it's very difficult to find your identity after you fight, because fighting is your whole thing.
bas rutten
It's the only thing.
joe rogan
It's everything.
It's everything.
bas rutten
And the only thing also, that's the problem.
You don't branch out.
Or you have other fighters who start already branching out before they're a champion.
I say, don't do that.
Focus on that first.
Because everything else, once you start losing, they will be gone.
Yes.
First, what made you really good?
Focus on that.
And once that career is over, go to the next career.
I'm not saying like when I came to America, I started acting within three months.
I started taking acting classes because I knew eventually...
I was going to need that.
So I thought maybe it's better to be prepared for that, but just didn't say to anybody.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The transition is very hard for almost everybody because fighting requires so much of you.
I mean, especially when you're fighting the UFC, you're training probably at least twice a day, you're involved in recovery, you're monitoring your food, you're doing all sorts of different things to try to keep your body healthy, massage and saunas and all that jazz.
And then it's over.
And then you're 35, 36 years old, and you realize, like, I can't do this anymore.
What am I going to do?
What do I do?
And it's one of the things I admire the most about Khabib.
He just said, that's it.
I'm done.
I'm at the top of the game.
My mother doesn't want me to fight anymore.
Amazing.
Undefeated.
Just says, I'm done.
bas rutten
That's it.
And he could be the only one.
And 50 years from now, who did that?
Smart.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's very few guys, I mean, that have ever done that.
I mean, in boxing, it's Andre Ward, you know, retires at the peak.
And, you know, when Canelo Alvarez knocked out Kovalev, they offered him Canelo Alvarez.
And it was quite a bit of money.
And Andre Ward, who's a brilliant man, said, I think I serve boxing better by retiring.
unidentified
Good for him.
joe rogan
By staying retired, being a commentator.
You know, he's a guy that fought most of his career with one arm.
Do you know the story about Andre Ward?
Andre Ward tore his shoulder apart when he was very young, and they didn't do surgery on it.
And so because they didn't do surgery on it, it never got better.
And so he didn't get surgery until he was a world champion.
And his shoulder was fucked up.
Like, he really beat everybody.
Carl Frotch, he beat all those guys with one arm.
bas rutten
Jeez.
joe rogan
Just fucking left hooks and jabs, and he occasionally threw a right hand, but his shoulder was so fucked up.
I think one of his major, one of the major tendons was detached.
So, like, the shoulder was, like, barely there.
Sort of like T.J. Dillashaw in his last fight.
T.J. Dillashaw's had fucked up shoulders forever.
bas rutten
Oh yeah, for a long time.
joe rogan
Forever.
bas rutten
Yep.
Yeah, but you think so his opponents didn't know at all that was the best capped secret?
joe rogan
I don't think people knew.
bas rutten
You see, because that's very important.
Because if people would know, you see how they changed the game immediately.
But it's wild how that goes, you see, just by knowing that.
But then again, you have other people like freaking Ronda Rousey that, oh, what's she going to do?
Arm bar me.
Yeah.
Okay, good luck in stopping it.
joe rogan
Right.
bas rutten
Doing it again, doing it again, doing it again.
They're so good at one thing that you know it's gonna happen, but you can't stop it.
joe rogan
Like Petsch in Glory, throws that left kick.
bas rutten
There you go.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, there's guys that are like that that just have this one thing.
Paul Sass used to fight in the UFC and he triangled everybody.
He was always triangles.
He's always won by...
Maybe he won a couple of times by leg lock, I think.
But his whole thing was triangles.
Everybody had to stay away from his triangle.
And it's like...
How is this guy gonna beat everybody with a triangle?
He figured it out.
bas rutten
Paul Yaris.
Yeah, Paul Harris.
joe rogan
Yeah, unfortunately for that guy, though, he didn't want to let go.
bas rutten
Yeah.
He's a crazy guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
Against Jake Shields.
You start hitting him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
Yeah, because he's got a lot of power as well.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a tank.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he was like 5'7", 185 pounds.
Just like fucking...
bas rutten
And it's crazy, when you talk to him, it's very soft-spoken.
joe rogan
Yeah, very calm.
I always felt like that was...
When I would interview him, I always felt like that was almost fake.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, the calmness was all...
Like, there's a fucking hurricane going on in that guy's mind.
bas rutten
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he had a horrible existence, a horrible childhood.
His childhood was very, very, very hard.
bas rutten
Yeah, lived on the streets of the jungle, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he lived in very, very poor existence.
And that's why he has that horrible scar across his chest.
I mean, he got cut open and never really got medical attention.
bas rutten
Cut open how?
Like stabbed or something?
joe rogan
I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened.
bas rutten
Write a movie about that guy.
joe rogan
But he had that huge scar across his chest.
But Paul Harris...
It was uniquely terrifying because you knew that not only was he going to leg lock you, but he wasn't going to let it go.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And he was going to be...
I mean, he fucking even did it to Jake Shields.
He got Jake Shields in a Kimura.
bas rutten
Yeah, I was there.
joe rogan
And didn't let it go.
bas rutten
Yeah.
Jake started hitting him afterwards.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
Yeah, it's scary.
Because guys like that can really...
That's your career.
joe rogan
They can ruin your career.
bas rutten
Ruin your career.
Your knee...
I mean, that's it.
That was the guy with...
I did the heel hook because I saw the heel hook the day before on a big screen.
joe rogan
Really?
bas rutten
This is how I got my fifth degree black belt.
That was an honorary black belt.
I'm with John Blooming, who is the highest gaijin next to Masoyama in Kyokushin.
He's got the 11th degree.
And we're standing, we see this big giant, this is a preview for the fights for the next day in Japan.
Giant screen on the side of a wall.
And we go, hybrid wrestling, Pancras, we hear.
And the first thing we see is me knocking out my first opponent.
Oh, there's the preview, so we're looking.
And I see this guy sitting in half guard, grabs the foot and he falls back.
And I say to John Blooming, I go, hey, that's a cool move, I gotta remember that.
Next day I'm fighting.
I'm in that position.
So I go, might as well try.
So I grabbed it, but I never did it before.
So I had no clue.
So I grabbed the heel hook, an inverted heel hook.
Think about that.
And I just fell backwards.
Yeah.
Broke his shin freaking in half.
So first we heard the clack, cock.
So I let go.
I think his knee is blown out, right?
Because that will be it.
And the referee is asking and he's feeling his knee and he goes, no, I'm good.
Well, what happened was that his shin was like half snapped because that's what we heard.
And then he kicks me with that leg.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
bas rutten
Yeah, and I just put my weight in it and then you see it bending.
joe rogan
Has anybody ever come back from that chin snapping?
I mean, Tyrone Spong would never really kickbox again after that.
Anderson was never the same after that.
Chris Weidman still hasn't fought in MMA after that.
bas rutten
There's reasons that you turn over a kick.
I always say this to people.
I'm trying to figure something out here.
Like, okay, imagine this is the shin bone.
I tell this to people, right?
It's straight.
It's very hard to break like this.
Very easy to break like that.
Right?
Much easier.
This is thin, this is really thick.
That's your shin, if you think about it, because it's like this on your shin.
So if you hit it with the flat part, you know, like a Tyron Spong, he's kicking really fast.
Jose Aldo kicks really fast, but I always said it before.
You gotta watch out, because if you have somebody checking that kick, he's hitting with the flat part of the shin.
Sure, it's fast.
But it's very dangerous when you connect with something solid, and that's how he broke his shin bar.
joe rogan
Right, you gotta hit it on the edge.
bas rutten
That's it, that's why...
joe rogan
Like a 2x4.
bas rutten
That's why the thighs are doing that, because the thighs, their livelihood, and if they don't do it, they're freaking gonna break their shin, and that's it.
joe rogan
It's interesting, because you don't think about that when you think of your shin, but if you think of your shin, the part that you really kind of have to turn it over, because the part, if you have it, if your leg is pointed straight, Your shin, the flat part is on the inside.
bas rutten
That's it.
joe rogan
And if you throw it without turning it over, that part...
bas rutten
Will snap.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
Yeah.
And if you have a stance like I have, like I'm the open stance, my toes are pointing 45 degrees.
This is my check.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
And I'm not even moving back.
I'm just doing this to keep my body weight in there.
It's going to feel to you like you hit the freaking wall.
Super solid block.
And then if you kick wrong, that's it.
You lose.
joe rogan
The Uriah Hall, Chris Weidman one.
bas rutten
Ah, scary.
joe rogan
Oh, because Chris Weidman just throws full power first kick.
And Uriah Hall, who's an excellent striker, just turns it over, turns it out, and crack!
bas rutten
We have an open stance.
Karate combat, we're in Greece.
I'm commentating.
Main event.
Seven fights, 55 minutes was the show.
Everybody got slaughtered.
The standing open stands, and the first guy, the guy from France, David Dona, gives him a full inside low kick.
And I'm saying he should not do that.
In an open stand, because in karate combat, you cannot hit the thighs.
It's below the knee, right?
So shin on shin.
And I go, he shouldn't do that because this is how you break your shin.
I say it, two seconds later, he kicks again, snaps him in half.
joe rogan
So you've had one in karate combat, too.
bas rutten
For sure, yeah.
joe rogan
Karate combat, you can't kick the thigh?
bas rutten
Not the thighs, you know.
Why not?
Because this is the karate rules that they have over there, and it keeps the fight a little bit more separated.
But this is the great thing, you know, because they were actually telling me, because you talked about this before in the show, About Karate Combat not having the ties.
I really love the ties as well.
Also, I love knees to the face.
Well, they're allowing it now.
You just cannot grab, you know, but you can throw it loose to the body and to the face.
That's really nice.
joe rogan
Flying knees.
bas rutten
Flying knees, yeah.
But the great thing about Karate Combat is we're not the owners.
The fans are the owners.
You go, what?
We have a token, the karate token, cryptocurrency, and you can come.
This is another thing.
It's upgaming, we call it.
You cannot lose.
Wait.
You cannot lose.
You put your tokens on a fighter.
If that particular fighter wins, 90% of those tokens go to you.
10% actually goes to the fighter as well.
So they try to get a lot of...
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
I like that a lot.
bas rutten
Oh, I love it, you know.
And if you lose, you don't lose your tokens.
You go, whoa, what's the catch?
Okay, Karate Koma, they decide, we decided that we, you know, for the first three years, we'll take that hit.
joe rogan
Really?
bas rutten
Yeah, so they want people to go engage, and we don't say anything.
Rafael Agaev is the interim champion right now.
And he's the interim champion because fighters, the fans, wanted to fight against Raymond Daniel first before he fought Joshua Quahagen.
We listen to the fans.
And we do what they want us to do.
And that's it.
So you, with you saying, I want to have ties included, you can petition on the app and you can say, listen, I would like to have ties.
And if more people support you, they will allow it.
There's going to be a new rule that kicks to the tires.
joe rogan
Get on it, people.
bas rutten
How cool is that, right?
joe rogan
That's great.
bas rutten
So they listen to the fans, they get 10% of the fighters, and if a lot of people are betting, that could be really good for the fighters as well to get a little bit of extra dough.
joe rogan
I really like the idea of a token that's attached to an organization.
That makes me excited about crypto tokens, because look at this.
Okay, all new Karate Combat app is now live, so this is how it works.
Grow your, so it's a dollar sign and then karate token.
Stash every time your fighter wins.
So that's a great idea.
It's a great idea also that it goes to the fighters as well, 10%.
If the UFC implemented something like that, I think that would be very successful.
I think it's a very, very good idea.
Probably one of the most unique ideas that I've heard in a long time in implementation of crypto token that I think is fantastic.
bas rutten
The Wall Street guys who started this organization and then you know in the beginning they are just study groups to find out who's the most and they realized that the Conor McGregor like two out of ten people would know him instead of ten out of ten then they realized Dragon Ball Z ten out of ten would know that in that age group and they go like wait a minute if we start combining the two this is how they literally did that stuff And then they say, hey, what if we do cryptocurrency and we can engage him on the app?
And boom, we got Dave in there.
Dave is super...
I don't even want to say that.
I'm not going to say what I want to say.
But this guy is like the top docs in cryptocurrency.
And he came up with this idea for the karate token.
That's a great idea.
joe rogan
That's a great idea.
I really like that idea.
Because if a fighter, if a lot of people are gambling on them and they're winning money, you know, like...
Like, when Israel Adesanya fought Alex Pajera, I think Drake bet like a million dollars on him.
Something crazy.
And won.
Wouldn't it be nice?
unidentified
Oh.
bas rutten
Bobo Dios, it didn't take a second time.
joe rogan
I think he was still favorite.
Israel was favorite.
But meanwhile, Pajera was putting it on him.
The calf kicks.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
His ability to throw those calf kicks with no telegraph.
He like lifts up the leg, boom!
And he's not turning the hip over.
bas rutten
But that's why he's got to watch out with that.
It's the same block again.
Another thing that I really love from him that he does, he doesn't turn his penches over.
I don't do that either.
I don't believe in this whole crap.
If it comes naturally, let it go.
But if you start focusing on it, a lot of people already do it here.
You see, you start telegraphing.
And once you start doing this, this is almost the same as an overhand.
If I let you get used to this, and now an overhand is a completely different punch.
It can set you up way better by doing that.
This is way more penetrating than when you bring the elbow up.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing about Pejeda that people don't give him enough credit for.
He's very clever and very technical.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Because everybody just thinks about the power.
His power is so extraordinary.
But then you realize he's not hitting hard all the time.
He's not like a guy just like Melvin Manhoof.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Woo!
bas rutten
Everything in his head, yeah.
joe rogan
Melvin was one of my all-time favorites.
bas rutten
Monster.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bas rutten
Freaking Mark Hunt.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bas rutten
Knocking him out.
joe rogan
In one punch.
bas rutten
And I think also the cup.
Did you see that?
I think I'm the only one who caught it.
I go, serious?
So he knocks out Mark Hunt.
He flies down, and Mark hits his head on his cup.
joe rogan
Is he wearing a tie cup?
unidentified
A tie cup?
bas rutten
Yeah.
So I think it's a double whammy.
I think already the punch was it, but so boom, boom, and then he goes down.
joe rogan
I think it's crazy that they still let fighters wear steel cups.
I think it's crazy.
But I think it's good.
Because you shouldn't really be kicking someone in the nuts anyway.
And if you kick someone in the nuts and you're going to shatter your foot because you're going to hit a steel cup...
bas rutten
So they won't allow it?
joe rogan
They do allow it.
bas rutten
Oh, you have to?
I don't understand people not using a steel cup.
joe rogan
Either that or...
I think the Diamond MMA system is excellent because it's a compression cup and you can take a full blast shot to the nuts.
Did you try?
Yeah.
I've knocked on it a few times.
I got a really bad dick injury once from jiu-jitsu from someone passing my guard He is passing my guard and he tried to slam his knee through to pass my guard and I didn't I wasn't wearing a cup and he hit me right on the dick not on my balls on my dick and It hurt like hell, but I just kept going and then afterwards I went into the locker room and my jockstrap had blood in it there's a bunch of blood in my jockstrap and I was like, oh Jesus.
Then I pissed and blood was coming out of my dick.
I'm like, okay.
So I was like, do I go to the hospital or do I treat it like a broken nose?
So what I did was I went home and I jerked off because I figured if my dick still works, Then I'm not worried about it.
And the fucking...
I jerked off into the toilet bowl.
This is how gross I am.
And this fucking disgusting thing came out.
I go, okay, we'll see if it works tomorrow.
I mean, I want to make sure it's not infected.
And I never wound up doing anything with it.
But, you know, people are like, but it's your dick.
I'm like, yeah, but if it was really...
If I really was worried, you know, I mean, it's an injury.
Your nose is always bleeding, right?
How many times have you broken your nose?
bas rutten
Listen, I did the same thing.
I'm standing at the end of the class.
I just had a sparring session and now I have teaching kids class.
And I'm standing in front of the mirror pushing my nose straight because it got broke again in training.
So this guy walks in who has two sons with me and he says, hey, if you want, I can fix this.
I go, what do you mean?
He says, I'm a plastic surgeon.
I can put a plastic nose in there.
So I have a plastic nose, see?
joe rogan
Plastic?
bas rutten
Yeah, plastic, silicone.
I can't break anymore.
Yeah, so he replaced this so it's not a boxing nose, but I simply can't break anymore.
joe rogan
Oh, so you have this piece here, instead of being hard like mine, is a silicone.
bas rutten
It's silicone.
joe rogan
Push it down again?
bas rutten
It can't go all the time.
That is crazy!
joe rogan
I didn't know they could do that.
bas rutten
Me neither.
And he did it right away.
So that was it for free.
I go, I'll take that.
unidentified
Wow.
bas rutten
That's nice, yeah.
It was out of place though in the UFC when I followed Randallman.
It was on the side.
joe rogan
Oh no.
bas rutten
That's when they asked me.
That was literally because it was funny.
I think the day before or the day of the fight, I don't remember that, we were talking about the nose bone into the brain, right?
I said, it's a myth, it's bullshit.
But then a friend of mine says to me, if your nose is already broken, then it might happen, right?
So this is in my head.
So now, Bas, your nose is broke.
And then you say, I look at Big John, I say, do you believe that nose bone into the brain?
He wrote that in his book.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
bas rutten
And then he goes, no, I say, oh, fuck it up, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was always, man, if I hit you right in the nose, it'll go right in your brain.
bas rutten
No, but it's just people, they always say, oh, I'd like to die in a cage.
unidentified
Not me!
joe rogan
I like my life!
bas rutten
I'm very happy living, you know?
I don't want to die.
If there's a reason, a possibility I might die, Nope!
I'm not gonna do it.
I'm not gonna take the risk.
joe rogan
Why would I? Yeah, why would you?
So many people in the UFC... I mean, Justin Gaethje just got his nose fixed.
He had a deviated septum.
bas rutten
You think?
joe rogan
But his nose was so closed off...
When he would talk, you would hear it like this.
He would talk like that.
You could hear that his nose was always stuffed up.
And there's so many fighters that you hear him talk.
And that was me until I was 40. And I finally got a deviated septum operation.
They cleaned out my nose.
Oh, my God.
bas rutten
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was amazing!
I used to go to yoga class, and the guy was like, you gotta breathe out of your nose.
I'm like, I can't.
He's like, you can't.
I go, no, I can't.
unidentified
I can't.
joe rogan
My nose is done.
The inside of my nose was like cauliflower ear.
It's the same kind of shit, because if you get it broken enough, the blood pools up and it calcifies.
So the doctor had to clean it out, and he showed me all the shit that he cleaned out of my nose after it was over.
It was like a little cup filled with just fucking horrible shit that was inside my...
But afterwards, oh my god!
bas rutten
It's almost like your Tesla.
joe rogan
Anybody who needs that, please listen to me.
Get it done.
Get it done.
Get your deviated septum fixed.
I know, six weeks, I know.
But six weeks later, I was rolling.
I was training again.
bas rutten
It goes fast.
joe rogan
But it was just the difference.
My cardio was up by 10%, like immediately.
bas rutten
Oh, immediately.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
bas rutten
Everything becomes better.
Calmness.
joe rogan
I could smell.
I couldn't smell shit.
You could fart in my face.
I didn't know what was going on.
bas rutten
Yeah, and with food, that's the problem.
joe rogan
Oh, with food, that's a real problem.
bas rutten
Yeah, if you can smell the wine.
I had that one time for like a couple of months.
You couldn't smell anything.
You could blow smoke in my face.
Whatever.
And then you don't taste the steaks, no nothing.
The red wine sauce, nothing.
The wines.
Oh, this is a very expensive bottle of wine.
Don't give it to me.
It's a waste.
I mean, yeah.
Just give me the alcohol.
What percentage is that?
unidentified
Double that?
bas rutten
Bring it back.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
The nose thing is such a problem because noses are so vulnerable.
It's such a soft, stupid thing to have that right in the middle of your face where you're getting hit all the time.
bas rutten
But it's in training.
It's in training.
I never had it in fighting.
Well, Randleman.
But Randleman's punches, he was hitting me and sliding over my face.
So he hit it completely out of the socket.
You know, that wasn't good.
And another thing that wasn't good is that I lost a contact.
I have bad eyes, like minus five and a half.
Like, if I'm sitting in front of you and you look down, your face is straight, you look down, I can't tell.
You know, so I was always wearing contacts in the fight.
And then one, I lost a contact.
And in the other, I was filled up with blood.
And then I'm upside down the whole time on my back swallowing the blood.
That's why you see me in the corner, I try to throw blood up.
I was swallowing my own blood that was making me nausea.
It's just annoying.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not good.
But, you know, when you look back on your career, Boss, like, you were, in my opinion, you were the first guy that I ever saw that was, like, a very high-level striker that was entering into MMA. Because a lot of MMA striking in the early, early, early days was kind of—or the Orlando Veet was good, but he was very small.
Very small.
He was like 180 pounds and he's fighting these like he fought Remco Pardew.
Remember that fight?
bas rutten
Oh yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Remco got him in side control.
You were the first guy, like especially the Kosaka fight.
Pull up that fight.
Pull up when Bas Rutten made his debut because they put a lot of pressure on you too.
The poster The poster of the UFC for that event was the greatest martial artist alive.
bas rutten
Yeah, and I said they messed up right there.
I told them specifically the greatest looking.
joe rogan
El Guapo.
bas rutten
They pulled the word looking off.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
I had that poster for the longest time.
I don't know what the fuck I read.
It was just your face.
The poster of that UFC event was just your face.
bas rutten
It was badass.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is boss.
bas rutten
Look at this puppy.
joe rogan
So for me, this is UFC 18. And this was...
Jesus, I don't think I was working for the UFC anymore.
I worked for the UFC for UFC 12 to probably like 16 or something like that.
unidentified
98?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think by 98 I was already done because...
They were, because I never was there for one of your fights, was I? Nope.
I only watched it on television, but I remember watching you fight.
I was like, oh, this is exciting.
Because this was the first time we saw like a real elite striker.
And again, I have to tell people, you couldn't even fucking spar.
You couldn't wrestle before this fight because you had a fucked up neck.
And Teyoshi Kosaka was an elite guy.
He trained with Maury Smith.
He was a very very good guy, but this fucking this final right here this final barrage When you won your UFC debut.
I mean, that to me as an MMA fan and as a martial artist was very exciting.
bas rutten
I had so much because John put it in his book as well.
I walked back to the corner after the first round and I knew I was getting behind because I couldn't do any take down the fence because the ground was hard for me because of my neck.
And while I'm walking up, I see the weird look on the guys' faces, and I go, I said, don't worry about it.
I got him.
I say, you just shout when I have one minute left, and I'll knock him out.
And I turn around, and Big John stands here with a smile on his face.
So he turns around, and he's like shaking his head.
He just heard me say.
And then we go to the fight, he goes, one minute!
And ten seconds later, I knocked him out.
And then Big John gave me his shirt.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
He goes, dude!
bas rutten
That was the wildest thing.
So he gave it to show that he was wearing in the cage afterwards.
joe rogan
That's the picture.
Look at that.
Is this the next UFC heavyweight champion?
bas rutten
Yeah, that was cool.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Make that a little bit bigger so I can read it.
What does it say underneath it?
Look at that.
Boss rooting.
The world's greatest martial artist.
Look at that.
bas rutten
No pressure.
joe rogan
Live on pay-per-view.
That was a big deal, man.
bas rutten
The weigh-in was in the hotel room.
unidentified
That was your debut.
joe rogan
Oh, the weigh-in was in the hotel room.
Yeah, those weigh-ins were just ridiculous.
And also, the drug testing was ridiculous.
bas rutten
Oh, shoot.
What drug testing?
unidentified
It was nothing.
joe rogan
It was nothing.
It was crazy.
What a fucking career you had, though, man.
bas rutten
I love it.
unidentified
What a career.
joe rogan
You're such an important part of MMA history.
Huge, huge part.
bas rutten
I'm very happy everybody's coming to me.
They always say the same thing.
What if you could have fought now?
And I go, I'm completely happy.
You know why?
Because all the champions you're going to get now, that's good.
We're in the pioneer section.
That means there can only be a certain group.
It can never get bigger.
We were the guys who started it.
I said, that will be forever there.
5,000 years from now, we started the thing.
That's cool.
joe rogan
I enjoy that.
Yeah, I mean, you were a very, very important part of MMA history.
Again, because you were the first really elite striker.
In the UFC, you saw guys who were good strikers, who were solid guys, but you were a cut above.
And it was a very exciting time.
And it was also the time where you're sorting all this out.
You have to realize, if you go back to UFC 18, people were still sorting out what's effective, what's not effective.
Mark Coleman came along, and all of a sudden, everybody wanted to be 265 pounds, because he was taking everybody down and smashing everybody.
bas rutten
Headbutts.
Holding the hunts and start headbutting the crap out of people.
joe rogan
Headbutts were legal.
Jesus.
Headbutts, no gloves.
When Mark Coleman fought Dan Severin in UFC 12, no gloves.
No gloves.
They just taped up the base of the hand to keep your hand together if it broke.
bas rutten
The story that I heard, because I talked to Ken, of course, because the first time when I was fighting in Japan, it was September, and Ken was talking to me that he was going to do this crazy thing.
joe rogan
Ken Shamrock.
bas rutten
Ken Shamrock.
I go, dude, because it was in November, and this was in September, and he went, did his thing, and then afterwards I talked to him, he said it was hilarious, there was a moment in time that everybody was sitting backstage and they were watching the fights, and everybody was expecting that any moment now the promoter could come in and they would say, okay, you're gonna lose, you're gonna win, you know, because they still thought it could be fixed because otherwise it's too crazy.
And then they saw Shiraz Cadot kicking the teeth out from the sumo guy.
And they go like, it's real.
That was a reality check right there in the dressing room.
You saw everybody's demeanor changed at the moment that happened.
joe rogan
And I think one of the most important things was that Hoist won.
Because you got this guy who didn't look the...
I mean, Ken Shamrock was fucking jacked.
He was just jacked.
He looked like a UFC champion.
He looked like what everyone was terrified of.
And Hoist Gracie tapped him.
And he was like 175 pounds and skinny and wearing a gi, and everybody was like, what is going on?
How is this possible?
bas rutten
Yeah, I was going through all my magazines because I wanted to clean out, take out of the magazines, make pictures of it, because otherwise you have way too many magazines, like these Japanese badass magazines where you have a fight, you have like eight pages of pictures, and they have the best pictures.
And one of the magazines was hoist on the cover, You know, and he's lifting his arm.
And the look in his eyes, I actually made a picture and I sent it to him.
I go, where is this guy?
You know, because freaking violence.
joe rogan
He just won.
bas rutten
No smile.
He's like, freaking kill everybody next.
That was badass, man.
joe rogan
And didn't have a lot of experience doing that.
It wasn't like he had had a lot of MMA fights or a lot of no-rules fights.
His brother Hickson did.
Hickson fought a bunch of them.
But Jesus Christ.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
That changed martial arts.
Forever.
bas rutten
Everything.
joe rogan
1993. Changed the fucking world.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Changed the fucking world.
unidentified
Yep.
bas rutten
We all thought...
joe rogan
30 years ago, boss.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
bas rutten
I know.
joe rogan
I remember the first time I watched it.
There was two big revelations for me in my martial arts.
One was going from Taekwondo to kickboxing and realizing how easy it was for me to get punched in the face.
I was like, oh my god.
Because I thought that I was just going to kick people in the face and knock them unconscious.
I was like, these guys aren't even that good at kicking.
Because I came from this elite Taekwondo background.
And then I was getting just fucking battered in training.
I was like, oh god.
Made me reassess and then leg kicks.
The leg kick one was like, oh fuck.
And then the next one was jiu-jitsu.
bas rutten
My taekwondo teacher had that too.
I came back from Thai boxing and he said also, he said, low kicks?
Eh, it's not effective.
And then when I tied it together, he said, you should just check it.
I go, you won't, because I keep you busy.
And then I start nailing him with it and he goes, we're going to add low kicks.
joe rogan
Yeah, for me it was 1988. My friend Dana Rosenblatt, his buddy from Richie Vasopoli's Karate Studio was, this guy was a very adventurous guy who, I forget his name, but he went over to Thailand and he trained in Thailand for quite a long time and he came back all caught up because he had a bunch of Thai fights and he got cut with elbows.
And this guy was living in Thailand and training in Thailand in 1988. And I was like, whoa, what is going on?
And that's when I first started incorporating that and started learning low kicks.
But I was like, oh my god, I'm so vulnerable.
You didn't realize how vulnerable your legs were.
bas rutten
And especially because you never did it, so it's all tender.
joe rogan
Right.
Also, I had a terrible stance for it, too, because I stood very wide.
I was very wide like this, and boom!
Oh, no!
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And that was before calf kicks, which is crazy.
Like, you know, I talked to Michael Bisping, and he's like, I fought my entire career, won the world title.
He won the world title, never got calf kicked.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is so interesting.
bas rutten
It's the most interesting thing, yeah.
But it's the same, you know, we still don't see clotheslines, and we still don't see, you know, those are parts that you can defend.
joe rogan
Sure.
bas rutten
If I give you a clothesline, it will loop around, it will still hit the back of your head, the legal part, you know, you just stay outside of the Mohawk.
Where are they?
unidentified
Right.
bas rutten
You know, we saw with Junior Dos Santos and McCain when they were fighting.
He dropped him and I go, ah, here we go.
And then the next fight in the rematch, it went the other way around.
Oh, finally people got it.
And then it disappeared again.
I go, dude, it is such an effective...
If I get in the street fight right now, I clothesline the guy.
That's the first thing I'm going to try it out.
joe rogan
Just full stiff arm.
bas rutten
You have no clue.
If I do this on the back, I can give you a head kick.
Full, and I give you a close line.
Close line beats the head kick.
unidentified
Really?
bas rutten
If I hit the back, you'll see the whole back fold around my arm.
Really?
It's bizarre.
It's really bizarre.
You can be in full defense, it'll go around, boom, hits the back of your head.
joe rogan
How come no one's doing that?
bas rutten
No clue.
Completely illegal.
joe rogan
Maybe that's the next thing.
Maybe they're going to learn it from this.
bas rutten
I hope so.
joe rogan
Because I never think of that, but there's a lot of power in that.
bas rutten
But the one thing, don't stretch your arm.
Because if you do, if he hyperextends, you know.
joe rogan
So you want to have a slight bend.
bas rutten
A slight bend, and I hit with this part.
If you see me doing this on a bag, it's a very scary thing.
joe rogan
I want to see.
We got a bag.
bas rutten
Yeah, well, we'll do it.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'll film it.
I'll film it so show everybody how it goes.
But yeah, whatever the tech...
You know, here's another one that really never made it into the UFC, but it has been in other organizations, is Axe Kicks.
There's this one gentleman, I forget his name.
unidentified
Andy Hoog.
joe rogan
Oh, of course, Andy Hoog.
Of course, Andy Hoog.
I mean, Andy Hoog was the master at it.
He was, oh my god, those K-1 days.
Oh, to this day.
bas rutten
What?
joe rogan
How the fuck?
Explain this.
How does Pride go from 90,000 seats Saitama Super Arena to...
There's nothing like that over there in Japan now.
Like, how did it just go away?
bas rutten
Once they realized that the mafia was associated with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that crazy though?
bas rutten
Mike.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
bas rutten
He was a great guy.
He killed himself, dude.
joe rogan
Mike Bernardo did?
bas rutten
Yeah, poor guy.
I liked him a lot.
joe rogan
Boom, look at that.
bas rutten
Yeah, he's...
Look at this.
Miracle Crow Cup.
joe rogan
Yeah, Andy Hoog was the master of the axe kick.
It's just so flexible.
There's one guy who fights in MMA. I've messaged him back and forth.
I apologize to him.
I just get too many messages.
But there was a video of him KOing somebody with an axe kick.
I'm like, oh, well, there you go.
He was like this elite Taekwondo guy, then started training in MMA and just has this crazy axe kick.
And you just don't expect it.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
But nobody does.
Especially if you're fighting someone and they're standing southpaw.
And they have that right shoulder forward, and he brings it around the outside, so you don't even see it until it's too late.
So you're standing like this, you don't see it until it's, oh Jesus Christ!
bas rutten
And then boom!
joe rogan
And then it slams down.
bas rutten
I mean everything is going to snap.
joe rogan
This dude's really good at the face.
See if you can find it.
Let me see.
This is the kid.
Watch this.
Watch this.
unidentified
Boom!
Whoa!
joe rogan
Yeah.
What is his name?
What is this guy's name?
There it is.
Alfie Davis.
Alfie Davis.
Yeah, so Alfie Davis, this gentleman has a background in Taekwondo, clearly.
If you watch, back it up a little bit so you can see a little bit more of it.
We'll show some more of his fights too, because he does this a lot.
I don't know where he's at right now, but he had that sort of Taekwondo style.
Look at this.
Steps forward, boom!
You just don't anticipate it.
You think he's gonna kick you in the body, so you're doing this, and then all of a sudden his foot is over his head.
Yeah.
See if there's more videos of him.
Incredible.
Is there more of those?
bas rutten
It's the same one, yeah.
joe rogan
So there's other fights of his.
Does he still fight in Bellator?
Says that seven months ago.
Anyway.
So watching these guys that have these extraordinary kicking skills, as long as they learn the other stuff, but the thing is about learning the other stuff.
bas rutten
It's everything.
It's everything.
You know, with me, last loss by Ken, knee-barred me, and that was it.
I go like, okay, I'm either going to learn this freaking game, or I'm going to stop.
It's stupid, you know?
I might win the title, but then if somebody submits you, I'm losing again.
It makes no sense.
It's my job.
And I found one training partner, and we just started rolling two or three times today.
I won my next eight fights by submission after my last loss.
They were like, what the heck is going on?
I flipped it around.
One with submission control, the other one all finishes, seven.
joe rogan
Do you think that's what you call ADHD or obsessive, whatever it is?
bas rutten
100%.
Yep.
I focus on that.
Like with me, if...
If I want something, I want it now.
If I can't have it now, it will be happening tomorrow.
I'll do everything in my power to master whatever I need to master in the shortest amount of time.
And I will sacrifice everything for it.
That was always my thing.
Like my stamina.
I was a severe asthma patient.
I was scared it inhaled with me.
So I didn't want to get tired.
So it was my weakness.
And then I realized, wait a minute, why don't I brainwash myself?
And I started...
Doing it.
I start getting tired, and it was great to go, no, I love this!
I love this, I wanna get more tired!
And I kept on hitting.
And then I slowly, and I'm telling you, like within three, four weeks, now I certainly wanted it.
And that changed my whole, that's when I started really training, bringing training to the next level.
Then I realized, oh, if I can do it with that, I should be able to do this with everything.
You know, that's when I start toughening up.
And, you know, all these things, shin calcification, all that stuff.
I never focused on that.
But then I go, hey, why not?
You know, if everything is strong and it feels better, for your opponent, it's going to feel much stronger.
So let's start working on that.
And then that was it.
joe rogan
What did you do for shin calcification?
bas rutten
Just kicking a bag.
But we had a...
I have to say this.
We had a bag with regular sand in it.
So then the lower you kick it...
So what I would do, I would put a measuring...
Tape around it, so I knew the exact place, the spot, and I would kick that for like the next 10 days only there.
And then only when I felt it's okay, I would do it one line below it, like literally this, and I would start kicking that.
First of all, great for my aiming, you know, and second of all, you know, every time it gets harder, the lower I kick, it gets harder.
By the way, aiming for people, it's so important, you know, and then you go like, oh, dude, It's not normal.
You see a lot of guys just hit the head, just hit the body.
They don't really aim for their shots.
If I'm Thai boxing you and you're wearing shorts, whatever logo is on there, I'll pick out one little piece on it, spot on it, and I will deliver my low kick, every low kick on the same spot.
Once you start training yourself like that, you know you automatically start doing it.
And think about this.
If you have the power to knock somebody out with three low kicks, But you spread them out over three spaces, now you're gonna need nine low kicks in order to do it.
So you see, so this is how, if you kick me here in the gut, you can kick me.
But you can't punch me here in the solar plexus.
Okay, so why do not start hitting the solar plexus, the jaw, the spleen, the liver.
You know, really aiming for your shots and that automatically puts you also better in the zone.
Because my first fights, I was hitting a silhouette.
I just hit whatever I could hit.
Didn't really matter where I would connect.
I just tried to finish the job.
Now I'm completely different.
Now it's like really waiting.
Oh, he's breathing in.
Oh, let's hit him at the moment he's breathing in.
You know, like that's my second fight, how I want that.
I use that a lot on your right kicks.
If you throw a right kick in my stance, well, you're exhaling when you kick.
You're inhaling when you pull back.
Oh, I'm gonna use that against you.
I'm gonna block the kick and then while you pull it, recoiling it, I go straight to the body.
That straight, this power, you go down.
You can do 5,000 sit-ups a day.
You breathe in and I connect.
That's it.
You're gonna go down.
You see, and I really like those moments.
I do this with legs.
You know, I push you.
I push and simultaneously kick.
So I make you weightless, the muscle is relaxed, and then I kick you with the shin.
Sure, I cannot generate a lot of power, but you don't need a lot of power.
It works really well.
Like my last fight, actually, and that was not me time.
That was pure luck.
But he stepped.
At the moment his foot was up, I kicked him.
And I remember my shin.
I literally heard, click.
My shin was touching his thigh bone.
I felt just a skid, click.
I... First thing I thought, I won.
And I saw him limp and I kicked him one more time, fight was over.
But that was the moment that his muscle was completely relaxed.
But like I said, that was not me timing it, that was just luck.
joe rogan
Are you gonna open up a gym out here?
bas rutten
No, I don't think so.
I wanna go do some seminars and doing that kind of stuff, you know, because I still own the gym.
In Thousand Oaks?
In Thousand Oaks.
It's going really well.
We got these new great wrestling coaches now also.
They're gonna start like in two weeks, I believe.
So we added wrestling now to it.
I mean, we got these crazy fitness challenges.
What we do is a man challenge and a woman challenge.
So the woman challenge, it's for six weeks.
Dude, I'm gonna pull up a picture.
You're not gonna believe this.
So this is a woman who won the competition.
You get a free membership for a year.
If you win the competition, this is six weeks.
She gained, actually, 2.1 pounds.
Watch this.
Really?
joe rogan
Whoa.
bas rutten
Six weeks.
joe rogan
Damn.
bas rutten
And all the other 18 ladies in the class, they know this is 100% real because they wanted to be the number one.
joe rogan
Wow.
bas rutten
It's crazy, right?
joe rogan
That's incredible.
That's hard work.
bas rutten
That's hard work.
And then people don't know.
This is the worst part.
Don't you hate it when you know people see...
I was always like, oh, steroids.
If you look good...
And then these overweight people who don't take care of their health, first thing they say is using steroids.
I say, wait a minute.
So you're using anti-steroids then?
What do you mean?
I say, you look like shit.
I'm firing right back when they do it.
I can't stand it, you know?
No, live with me for two months.
joe rogan
Well, you had phenomenal genetics, though.
bas rutten
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Don't you have that weird genetic variant that allows you to keep extra muscle?
Isn't there something...
Don't you have something weird, though?
bas rutten
I had an insanely high testosterone level when I was 19. I think I toned it down to 2400, but I think, no, I thought it was 2800. What?
Yeah, they said they never measured anything like it.
My mother was there with me, and they go like, is he a handful?
And she goes, you have no idea, you know, because she said, this is really crazy high level.
Yeah, and I burn like a maniac.
So I'm 3% of the population.
We did this swap, you know, for something.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
bas rutten
Yeah, and it's like, so I can eat six large pizzas a day.
I'm the same weight now as when I started fighting.
I never lose weight or gain weight.
joe rogan
What do you do for exercise nowadays?
bas rutten
I just work out 40 minutes.
This morning I did a treadmill.
I do the incline all the way up.
We have a higher one that goes like 25%.
So it's pretty gnarly.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've got a 30% one.
unidentified
It's awesome.
bas rutten
Oh, I love it.
I need one like that.
Oh, it's fantastic.
Because my knees, I can't run, but I can't walk.
So then I just go up and I just go 40 minutes straight.
What I do is also I do 10 minutes backwards and then I do another 10 minutes forward and then 5 minutes backwards.
Walking backwards is very important to balance everything out.
joe rogan
Your knees are still fucked up?
bas rutten
Yeah, there's no scarlet on the kneecaps.
So that sounds like the easiest problem is the worst problem to have in the knee because they can't fix it.
You know, it's not like they can't take the kneecap out and replace it with it.
It's not working like that.
But, you know, I do cable punch routines.
Really good for your core, really good for power.
I do the reverse punches.
Everything I do is super sets.
So I do 10 exercises.
I do 20 repetitions minimum, all four sets.
32 minutes.
People go, there's no way.
Yeah, but I don't take a rest.
That's why I like to do supersets.
I'm resting.
This muscle group is resting while I'm training this one.
joe rogan
So you're training strength, but you're also training conditioning.
bas rutten
Always.
Because that's in my head.
Now, what if something happens on the street?
It's always good to have a little bit of gas in the tank.
So that's what I do.
And I just wash my food.
But like I'm crazy.
I eat two, two and a half pounds of sweet potatoes.
That's my breakfast.
That's just that.
joe rogan
Two and a half pounds of sweet potatoes?
bas rutten
Yeah.
And then, just that.
No water, no salt.
Nothing on it.
Just that.
Then I have these shakes, these crazy carnivore shakes that I have.
They're like 125 carbs a shake.
There's a couple today.
Drink them in between because they just keep burning.
joe rogan
Wow.
bas rutten
Yeah.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
But how old are you now?
bas rutten
58. 58?
joe rogan
Your body's still burning like that?
That's wild.
bas rutten
Like you see pictures of me, like last week I started on Saturday because normally I always throw these challenges out, people say with steroids.
I started TRT on Saturday last week because they realized that my free testosterone was lower and it was affecting me mentally.
It was like something wrong with him.
And I told Brigham, I go like, dude, something is wrong.
I'm too emotional.
Something is off.
You know, this is for a while already.
But I have pictures.
He says, dude, you look freaking awesome.
He says, yeah.
And I don't use anything, you know?
So I was always very proud of that.
And to people who said it, I say, take the bet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
I'll go six months.
Every day you can test me.
Every single day you might test me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There are people out there that are just different.
bas rutten
They're just different.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bas rutten
You know?
So now, kind of, because I was very proud of that, but now I had to for my...
And I have to say, though, I start...
Like a week in, I worked out in Miami on a treadmill.
No, I did a shadow boxing with my audio workout.
And after I just did a little bit of TRT, it's like only 2.5, it's like 50 milligrams.
And then I said, okay, I texted them.
I go, I'm feeling good now.
Mentally, I feel different.
So it is something doing doing something to your mental state as well.
joe rogan
I had no clue for sure That's a big thing with guys that have pituitary gland injuries when they get depression That's a lot of it is your body's not producing testosterone anymore You see so I'm very happy I started with that everything also I had this wound on my That I cut myself with a knife, like really weird.
bas rutten
It opened up in my pocket while I was pulling my pants up.
It's something stupid, but it was a cut.
It's been there for two years.
Really?
I go like it.
My wife every time goes like you.
But now when I started last week, it's almost gone now.
So it helps with that as well.
Although my white blood cells were good.
Everything was good.
It was just my free testosterone was a little low.
joe rogan
Well, it's good to get everything checked.
That's ways to build well.
It's fantastic for that.
bas rutten
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's great to get everything checked.
bas rutten
And some great people.
Ron White walked in.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ron White's the man.
Yeah.
No, Brigham is awesome.
I love Brigham.
And anybody that's listening, listen to the podcast that I did with Brigham Bueller.
It's an amazing podcast where he breaks down all the problems in the medical system and all the problems with the insurance system and And there's so many different things that can benefit you that are fantastic for your health that are not covered by your insurance.
bas rutten
You know what's this?
I know this is gonna sound like a lead way, but breathing.
joe rogan
Yes.
bas rutten
What people don't have any idea about is that 95% of us are breathing wrong.
Incorrect.
Google it.
Because I was thinking I was breathing correct.
And if you stand in front of the mirror, you take a deep breath, you're raising your shoulders, you are breathing wrong.
That's it.
Four to six of these shoulder-raising breaths is the same as one belly breath.
Take the lowest, number four.
So imagine you come out of a hard fought round and you got one minute to recoup instead of 40 times raising your shoulders, you can do the same amount of air by 10 times.
Not only that, if you're raising your shoulders, your necks, your traps, your neck muscles, everything needs oxygen, right?
You're lifting and lifting.
That's why fighters, people who are overweight, their breathing is much better Then people are lengthy.
Because they don't want to carry that weight upwards all the time with breathing, so they automatically start breathing diaphragmatically.
But that completely changed my life.
joe rogan
Really?
Diaphragm breathing?
unidentified
It really did.
bas rutten
Diaphragm breathing and then strengthening those inspiratory muscle training.
It's not a gimmick.
Just go on a published medical website, journal.
You push in IMT and you will have 1200 reports there.
About what it does.
Every endurance athlete in the Olympics, guess what they're doing?
It's inspiratory muscle training.
joe rogan
Well, you also have that breath trainer that you developed.
bas rutten
That's it, yeah.
joe rogan
That's a device, so just tell people about that.
bas rutten
So, okay, so I'm breaking this thing.
What I want to say first is, so you breathe wrong.
Don't say, I woke up I've been breathing since I was a baby.
I know how to breathe.
You don't.
That's good till you're about five and a half years of age.
And that's when we start breathing wrong.
And the reason is because that's the moment we start going to school.
And that's when we start wearing belts and sitting all day long in the classroom.
And that's when you go to the doctor and the doctor puts a stethoscope on your chest.
They take a deep breath.
Oh, this is where my lungs are.
You know, that's what you think.
But it's not.
The lungs are lower part there.
Let me stop this.
Then, of course, boys, girls, oh, you start to get interested in the different sex, and then suddenly you realize, wait a minute, if I keep breathing through my belly, they think I'm fat.
This is literally the reason that people start breathing the wrong.
You know we're the only animal, the only mammal that breathes wrong?
Really?
Only the humans.
Look at the baby.
You see the belly breathe?
Perfect.
Okay, so know this right now.
You're breathing wrong.
95% of you are.
And the 5% probably have breathing classes.
You and bow hunting.
You think chest breathing is good?
Or you think diaphragmatic breathing?
Every sniper, go to a Tim Kennedy.
I guarantee you, he's freaking horizontal breathing.
Diaphragmatic breathing.
So that's number one.
Then I go into the next attack.
Nose breathing.
Because everybody says, I breathe through my nose.
Yeah, okay.
What if I smash your nose in?
What about that?
What if you have a cold you have to fight?
You can't breathe through your mouth?
Come on, don't be stupid.
Yeah, but this thing, you know, it works through the mouth.
You're only using it for about five minutes a day.
And it will strengthen your breathing muscles, which by the way, you have 11 pounds of breathing muscles.
That's a lot!
And with breathing muscles, I say the mover for inhaling is your diaphragm, and your intercostals, which are the muscles in between your ribs, the external intercostals are for inhaling, expands your chest.
I'm gonna go in a little bit how that works.
Because that's why I brought this weird thing here with me.
joe rogan
What'd you got with me?
bas rutten
This weird, it's a steamer, a vegetable steamer, but I'll transform it into a diaphragm in a little bit.
joe rogan
Why'd you bring a vegetable steamer?
bas rutten
Well, I'm gonna show you.
So, now let's take another part.
How does your endurance increase?
What do you think is the reason?
You train really hard, I know, but what happens when you train really hard?
joe rogan
Your recovery gets better, your body gets accustomed to it and conditioned.
bas rutten
That's it.
You train the muscle over and over again, it becomes more efficient.
joe rogan
Right.
bas rutten
And the word efficient already says it, uses less oxygen, therefore your stamina increases.
Boom.
Okay, good.
Let's go to the next one.
Metaboreflex.
That's a nice word for gassing, right?
So just gassing.
This is what happens when you're gassing.
Let's say you're running a hill, a very steep hill, 45 degree angle.
It's a hard one, hard one, hard one.
And suddenly it feels like you hit the wall.
What happens at that moment is that your body starts redirecting oxygenated blood and it takes it away from your legs because it sends it to your number one priority in the body, which are your breathing muscles.
Because if your breathing muscles don't work, you die.
If you can't expand your chest, you die.
Okay, so endurance works, muscle training over and over again gets more endurance.
Okay, but my freaking intercostals and my diaphragm, they steal the blood stealings, literally a medical term, away from my limbs as soon as I'm getting tired.
Okay, what if I update those 11 pounds of breathing muscles?
What if I give them more endurance?
Over and over again, so they become more efficient.
Now you delay your gassing, that's normally, let's say, happens here, happens there.
That's why every single endurance athlete in the Olympics will actually use inspiratory muscle training.
It blows my mind that you have coaches here, oh, he's the coach of the year, coach of the year, and they don't spend time on breathing?
You're an idiot.
A complete idiot.
You remember I was on your show and I said, 15 to 20% you get more?
Oh, I lied about that.
That's for 95% of the people.
And the difference is more than that.
Whoa!
That's a big statement.
Four to six of these brats is the same as one, but it's a big thing.
I can let you hear a message from Lyoto Machida, who was doing it for three months, got COVID, then started training with his fighters.
He says, dude, I outworked everybody.
My breathing was so in control, it's freaking out.
That's how crazy it is.
You see, so now, and now you have to understand how breathing works because we all believe that our lungs do the work.
Lungs are two bags.
You can't have strong lungs.
There's no muscle in your lung.
If you cannot expand your chest, you die.
So when you expand your chest, you create a vacuum between your body and your lungs and that vacuum opens up your lungs.
So for people who go like, oh, what is a vacuum?
Just imagine your lungs being glued to the inside of your body.
And if you expand your chest, that's how you pull the air in.
So if you think about this, your chest doesn't expand because you put air in it.
Your chest expands, that's how you pull the air in.
So that's a little weird thing to think about, but just focus on that.
Now, the chest expansion, I already said, is done by your diaphragm and your intercostals.
Now, Dr. Beliza Vrenic, She's actually a person, a world-renowned breathing expert.
Joey Diaz set me up with her.
And Joey said, you should meet her.
So I went to visit her on Fifth Avenue in New York in her office.
This is five, six years ago.
First thing she does is measuring my chest expansion, right?
So she, and I know why she's doing that, because the more I can expand, the more air I can pull in my lungs.
So she says, okay, exhale, inhale, and she goes, she says, no, no, it's not possible, do it again.
And I do it again, and she goes, wait.
And she walks out, comes back with another doctor.
I go, what's going on?
She says, if I don't bring him, he's not going to believe it.
I go, what do you mean?
I said, well, normally, when somebody break our record by chest expansion, it's like an eighth of an inch, maybe half.
You almost went two inches more than everybody else.
joe rogan
Let me see your chest expansion.
Give me a brief.
bas rutten
It's these lower parts here that I can completely expand.
Yeah, but you see what you're doing?
You see what you're doing?
You're raising your shoulders.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
bas rutten
Only focus on this.
You're still raising your shoulders.
This thing is going to freak you out, man.
You're going to get...
joe rogan
So I just keep my shoulders down?
bas rutten
Grab the bottom of your chair.
Grab the bottom of your chair.
And then just...
That's breathing.
- Sorry, that's the great. - Every person wants the stamina of who?
Tony Ferguson, Michael Chandler.
My God, what do they do?
Look at them breathe.
80% of the UFC fighters breathe incorrect.
Those guys, you will not see any movement.
They breathe perfect, and that's why they have the advantage.
So now watch this, right?
So this is, the diaphragm is a thin dome-shaped muscle-tendon mixture.
And this, it separates the chest cavity from the abdominal cavity, right?
This side here is attached to the lower part of your ribcage.
That's where it's attached to.
And this is what the diaphragm does.
It actually massages your intestines and it massages your heart as well.
It lines your spine.
You should read the reviews with people with back problems.
Back problems are gone.
This is all published medical journals, all backup.
This is what the diaphragm does.
joe rogan
It just expands.
bas rutten
Exactly.
Because from that angle, this is what it does.
It drops down.
It massages everything.
It goes back up.
Drops down.
But that drop down is an expansion.
This happens in the center of your body that, together with your intercostals, will open up your chest.
That exhaling is done by your obliques, your core, and your internal intercostal muscles.
Those are for the exhale.
Also a very important muscle to train.
But if you train both at the same time, not good.
Both separately, very...
Very good.
So this one is an inspiratory muscle trainer.
I brought two for you so you can choose if you want a blue or a green one.
Listen, don't let the look fool you.
It's a simple, stupid, this is it?
Yes, weight training for your breathing muscles.
You can throw it against the wall, you can step on it, you can do anything.
You buy one, you never have to buy another one.
It comes with 16 different settings.
It's very basic.
Why does it look like this?
Because I had the idea when I was 14. You think a 14-year-old kid came up with electronics?
No.
This was it.
This was actually also the reason I could bypass all the patterns, and I have the pattern for this.
So what it does is just controls the air intake.
So if you inhale, this side has a flap that will close off, which will force you to inhale to this side.
This one comes with 16 different settings.
Now in the beginning, my asthma was cured within three weeks.
Imagine, I was walking around with an inhaler everywhere I went.
Every workout session, inhaler before.
Every fight, inhaler before.
Three weeks with this freaking prototype, gone.
Whoa, now I'm up to something.
Send it to my friend in Holland who has asthma.
Eight days later, he calls me.
Dude, I want to sell them in Europe.
He's selling them in Europe right now.
Asthma is gone.
I go, dude, we're up to something here.
Now I have a commercial.
If your asthma is not 70% or 80% gone or more in one month, I'll give you your money back.
But I'm going to need to see you doing the freaking four minutes a day, though.
Because we all go, four minutes a day?
unidentified
I can do this.
bas rutten
No, you can't.
We're a whole bunch of pussies.
And pussies, I say, pussie, I made an abbreviation for pusillanimous.
Lack of courage or determination or cowardly.
That's what we are.
And I say we because we all are certain things.
We just give up really fast.
Oh, I want an extra drink.
Yeah, you're a pussie.
You see?
unidentified
Pussillanimous.
Yeah.
bas rutten
This one for you, since you are an athlete already, I'll put this one on number, I'll put your number four.
So what you're doing is, you put it in your mouth, that's what he said, and you exhale.
So officially, just right now for sitting straight.
And keep your shoulders low, and exhale completely, and then inhale by pressing your belly forward.
unidentified
Explosive.
bas rutten
And then explosive inhale.
unidentified
I see your chest coming a little.
bas rutten
Keep it down.
There we go.
That's core.
Now we're doing it.
unidentified
This is just sitting straight.
bas rutten
But if you do this with an exercise, there's two exercises.
joe rogan
I feel it.
bas rutten
I feel it.
joe rogan
I feel like a workout of these muscles.
bas rutten
That's right.
joe rogan
I'm feeling these muscles in a different way than I feel doing anything else.
bas rutten
You know, you want to freak out even more?
I want you to just lean over a little bit.
Lean on your legs.
Just completely relax.
Oh, you can do this actually.
Here.
So yeah, just lean.
unidentified
Like this?
bas rutten
Yeah, but lean over.
joe rogan
Okay.
bas rutten
And now put it in your mouth.
And then when you want to inhale, focus on your back muscle, the lower part of your back muscle to expand.
Do that.
Because we have breathing muscles 360 degrees circumferential.
Those muscles I never worked out.
Once I started adding this exercise to it, my stamina got insane.
joe rogan
I feel the muscles on my back.
bas rutten
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I feel it.
bas rutten
You don't want to do 30 repetitions like this because tomorrow felt like you did a very hard back workout that you're going to walk around.
joe rogan
Listen, boss, I'm going to use this every day.
I'm going to check in with you in a month.
Please.
I will 100% do this.
bas rutten
Because you are the guy who actually does it.
Like, okay, one thing that I want to say for the people, right?
If you use it for endurance and you do it before endurance workout, think about this.
You're tiring your breathing muscles.
joe rogan
I got an idea.
How about I do that in the cold plunge?
I'm gonna kill two birds with one stone.
bas rutten
Oh, Jesse, that's what I always do, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I'll change my cold plunge from three minutes to four minutes, and I'll just do that the entire time I'm in the cold plunge.
bas rutten
All right, boom.
joe rogan
Because that tightens you up.
That tightens up your...
bas rutten
Oh, you're gonna...
You watch what's gonna happen.
Dude, it will change you, I'll guarantee you.
But I just want to know for the people, if you buy for endurance and you do it before endurance, it will backfire.
It's like you have to move, but you do a biceps workout, it's not really gonna help you.
joe rogan
You gotta build up.
bas rutten
You gotta build up.
So in the beginning, what I say to these people, do it in the evening.
So your braiding muscles can rest during the night, and then the next day you're going.
But the difference you're going to notice, you watch.
I don't have to say anything.
We have the highest ratings on Amazon.
I mean, we beat every other product out there.
joe rogan
I'm 100% going to do this, and I'm 100% going to check in with you.
I'm going to let you know.
bas rutten
Yeah, perfect.
joe rogan
I'm excited.
bas rutten
Me too.
joe rogan
Thank you.
bas rutten
Yeah, thank you.
joe rogan
Boss, this is a good fucking time.
Tell people how they can get that.
bas rutten
O2trainer.com.
It's on Amazon.
It's everywhere.
Read the reviews, guys.
Amazon are reviews that you cannot mess, Rod, if you're the number one choice.
joe rogan
I feel it right there, just doing that.
unidentified
Immediately.
joe rogan
Immediately.
I feel it.
And I fell out of my back, too, when you made me lean forward.
I really do feel it.
bas rutten
And plus, it will align your spine.
You know, diaphragmatic breathing is good for...
I have a singing school from Australia that's buying it.
Because projecting and acting, it's all breathing.
All diaphragm.
You watch.
And by the way, don't believe products that say that we can give you bigger lungs.
This is another last thing I want to say.
If you have an athletic workout, stretch your freaking chest muscles.
This is important.
You lose, from the age of 28, you lose about 30 milliliters a year, which means 300 milliliters in 10 years.
I'm 58. That means if I would never do any chest stretches, I would have lost almost a liter from the only 6 liters I have.
Women have four liters.
Men have six liters.
One and a half gallon, one gallon.
She's talking about an advantage with the transition.
Never mind.
They just have 30% bigger lungs.
Whatever.
But just make sure that you know that.
If you want to do stamina, just do it after the stamina.
Because otherwise...
joe rogan
Brother, I'll check in with you.
Thank you very much.
Boss Root, you're the fucking man.
Always appreciate you.
Welcome to Texas.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
My man.
bas rutten
I'm here.
joe rogan
Thank you.
unidentified
Alright.
joe rogan
Thank you.
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