Aug. 17, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out The Joe Rogan experience Join by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day What's happening my friend? | |
| Good to see you. | ||
| Good to see you too. | ||
| Good to see you thriving out there in the world. | ||
| Just trying to do my best. | ||
| Dude, you're killing it. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| That comeback win was fucking fantastic. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It was great to see. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| How the fuck are you still so good? | ||
| You haven't slipped at all. | ||
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Uh... | |
| Honestly, I think it's just the training, my mindset, the team around me, and just honestly trying to get better every single time I step in the cage. | ||
| The lighter weight classes, though, I've always felt like there's a short window of excellence. | ||
| You know, like even in boxing, it seems like it's like nine, ten years at peak form, but you defy that. | ||
| You know, you really do, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're still like as good as ever. | ||
| It could be because I'm black. | ||
| It could be my genetics. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It can't just be that. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are also black that haven't been able to do that. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I think what you're saying is it's also technique. | ||
| Your technique has always been paramount. | ||
| You know, it's always like the forefront of everything. | ||
| I honestly believe it's probably just my upbringing in mixed martial arts. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And even, you know, I was talking to people the other day and I said, I started when I was 18, like in martial arts. | ||
| If you count, some people don't count wrestling as martial arts. | ||
| Oh, you should. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| So I started in middle school. | ||
| And then once I got out of high school, I didn't go to college to wrestle. | ||
| I jumped right into mixed martial arts. | ||
| So I think, you know, Matt, he made me do... | ||
| One fight at MMA. Then the next fight was boxing. | ||
| Mixed martial arts. | ||
| They kick boxing. | ||
| Back to MMA. Shoot boxing. | ||
| And then he was like, hey, you got to do this grappling tournament and you need to submit everybody. | ||
| Don't come back if you don't, right? | ||
| He's a hard man. | ||
| At the time when he was doing that, I didn't know what he was... | ||
| Pepper me for, right? | ||
| I honestly didn't like I was working full-time And I was still an amateur, but I would do these These things he told me to do and then now when I get into my fights or when I do things I'm able to you know Go back to my beginning and be like, okay, I face this before and I'm able to just keep keep getting better my foundation is so solid that I That's what's been able to keep me on top for so long. | ||
| Well, I think that really helped you in that mixed fight with Rod King. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Because that was a wild proposition. | ||
| I was like, whoa, this is going to be interesting. | ||
| And props to him for taking that. | ||
| Because he had to know after round one. | ||
| I wasn't getting that ass after round one. | ||
| Well, so when they offered that to me, I was like, I was on the couch with a wife. | ||
| We should explain to everybody what the rules were. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| The rules were, the first round, so if you guys don't know who Ra-Tang is, he's one of the best, probably the best Muay Thai fighters in the world. | ||
| People put him at pound for pound. | ||
| He's a fucking beast. | ||
| He just walks through these people. | ||
| He's a beast, dude. | ||
| So, the first round was Muay Thai. | ||
| I could not grapple. | ||
| I could not, you know... | ||
| Yeah, so right here, when he broke me up, I was trying to lock him up like a body lock, like a takedown. | ||
| Was it a three-minute round or a five-minute round? | ||
| Three-minute round, right? | ||
| And so the first round was Muay Thai, and the second round was MMA. Fourth round's going to be, third round's going to be Muay Thai, and the fourth round was MMA. So I knew the first round was going to be, you know, very difficult. | ||
| But right there, as you see, I'm trying to hold him. | ||
| I can't, like, I literally was over my hands and not trying to grab him as I would if it was MMA. Were you allowed to clinch? | ||
| Because Muay Thai involves a lot of clinch work. | ||
| What was the rules there? | ||
| So you are a lot of clinch, but if you watch any of the Muay Thai in one championship, they don't actually... | ||
| I feel they don't give the athletes enough time to actually fight and dominate in the clinch. | ||
| I feel the same way because I was watching Rod Tang's last fight. | ||
| And they break them up immediately. | ||
| And I'm like, stop! | ||
| Why do you think they do that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They're trying to make it more action-packed? | ||
| More action-packed and probably push the... | ||
| Just the action, right? | ||
| But for me, I feel like in Muay Thai, if somebody can be very dominant in the clinch, then that's part of the sport, right? | ||
| How dangerous did you feel him in the first round? | ||
| I think the last time I got rocked in any of my fights was probably John Dodson, and he gave me that same feeling again. | ||
| But it was fun. | ||
| It was fun just exchanging with them. | ||
| I think having this fight was good for my career and good for my confidence. | ||
| To come off a loss against Adriano and then come back and fight another Tough striker. | ||
| It was just... | ||
| Right there, you see how I'm like this? | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Like, I didn't want to... | ||
| Like, right there, I would have blown through fucking double leg or I would have done a knee tap. | ||
| So that was the hardest thing. | ||
| And then, you know, there's a point in time where, like... | ||
| But you stayed competitive with him. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Even though the first round was clearly the round that he wanted to turn on the gas because he's... | ||
| You know, that's his world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the game plan was to, you know, avoid and not take damage. | ||
| But I told Matt, I was like, dog, I was like, I didn't come over here to Singapore to get yellow card. | ||
| Like, they're not taking 10% of my purse. | ||
| And I said, if they tell me action, and they're like, I'm going to warn you, I'm going to look at you, and I'm going to wink and go... | ||
| It's been a good ride. | ||
| I'm just gonna go. | ||
| So when he hit me the first time, I was like, fuck this. | ||
| We're going. | ||
| I'm just gonna fight. | ||
| If I get knocked out, I get knocked out. | ||
| If I don't, then hey, we got the second round. | ||
| But you definitely tagged him a bunch. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You made it a very competitive, like right there. | ||
| One, two. | ||
| But that motherfucker can take a shot like nobody. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He stands there and lets guys punch him in the face. | ||
| Who the fuck does that at an elite level other than Anderson in his prime? | ||
| I think the last person I hit that hard was Ali Bogatinov. | ||
| I remember I was fighting him, and I remember kneeing him in the jaw and feeling his jaw shift in the fight. | ||
| And I was like, I'm not going to knock you out. | ||
| I'm going to destroy my body before I knock you out. | ||
| And I remember going home, my knees were the size of grapefruits from just hitting him so much. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Well, Ali was on the sauce, too. | ||
| Well, yeah, too, but... | ||
| That was the last time I fought someone and I was like, holy shit, you can take a beating. | ||
| He got popped for EPO, right? | ||
| It was EPO, yep. | ||
| EPO. I remember my father-in-law, he was back there with me. | ||
| I did my drug test and I walked past Ali. | ||
| He was sitting there drinking water, but I take his drug test. | ||
| And my father-in-law goes, I'm telling you right now, No man can take a beating like that and be able to walk away. | ||
| There's something not right here. | ||
| And sure enough, I'm at home playing video games. | ||
| Erwani is like, hey, did you hear the news? | ||
| I'm like, no, you're bothering me right now. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| He goes, he popped the EPO. And I was like, and? | ||
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Like... | |
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| I'm playing games. | ||
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Bye! | |
| And beep! | ||
| But hey, it is in the past. | ||
| He was good, though. | ||
| He was good. | ||
| He was strong. | ||
| But it makes sense that he was on EPO because his cardio was off the charts. | ||
| That was the biggest thing we saw in breaking him down in a fight is that if we put the pressure on him, eventually he's going to break like he has in his other fights. | ||
| And then when he didn't, we're like, huh, he's still here. | ||
| Good thing we're prepared, but he shouldn't be here right now. | ||
| But he was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this Rod Tang fight, one of the things that's very interesting about 1FC is how they're just really mixing everything up. | ||
| They've got grappling matches, you know, Mikey Musumechi's over there competing, Gary Tonin, the Rotolo brothers. | ||
| It's very wild what they're doing. | ||
| They're having Muay Thai matches, kickboxing matches. | ||
| We had one boxing match, which was for a WBC title. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It was... | ||
| Boxing gloves? | ||
| Boxing gloves. | ||
| Full-blown boxing. | ||
| Like, it was a world title fight. | ||
| That's one of the things I love about one championship is that they're mixing it up, right? | ||
| So when I got the opportunity to go over there and compete, like, I knew I had the opportunity to do something fun like I did with Rod Tane, right? | ||
| Now, was it difficult to make that decision to leave the UFC? Because you were, you know, coming off of a very close, controversial loss to Henry Cejudo. | ||
| Very close fight. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, it was, like, mostly the wrestling. | ||
| A couple takedowns that he got. | ||
| Yeah, it was a couple takedowns. | ||
| And I think I relied too much on a lay kicks. | ||
| Like, in that fight, I couldn't get him down to the ground. | ||
| The striking scene on the feet, like, with the hands, it seemed like it was pretty even. | ||
| I think I outlanded him. | ||
| Like, when you look at the shrike copybox strike. | ||
| Numbers, but I felt like I relied too much on the leg kicks because I was fucking tearing those legs up. | ||
| Well, you hurt his leg real bad in that first round. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He got that drop foot thing going on. | ||
| Yep, he had the drop thing going on, but I was like, I couldn't get there with the hands, right? | ||
| I couldn't knock it with the hands, so I was like, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to tear your leg up. | ||
| Kept on tearing the leg up when the fight ended. | ||
| And I was like, ah, he probably got it. | ||
| I was like, he beat me. | ||
| And then they read the scorecard and I was like, huh, it is what it is. | ||
| Like, what are you going to do? | ||
| So what was the decision after that? | ||
| Like, what was that like? | ||
| So it was frustrating. | ||
| But then, you know, at the time I was like, I wonder if I can do something different. | ||
| Because I was going in the back, and at the time, Maki was managing me. | ||
| He still is. | ||
| He was like, you tell me what you want to do, bro. | ||
| You just let me know, and we'll figure it out. | ||
| And I was like, I wonder if I get out of my contract. | ||
| I was like, try to do something different. | ||
| Because at the time... | ||
| I looked at it this way. | ||
| If I were to fight Henry Sciuto again for the third time, it could have gone either two ways. | ||
| One, I beat Henry, then I'm still stuck in the same situation I am right now when, at the time, they're trying to get rid of, they're in talks about getting rid of the fight with division, right? | ||
| Or two, if I lose to Henry, then I'm still stuck in the same position. | ||
| I just lost him again. | ||
| So why not see if I can go explore other options, right? | ||
| And then that's when the trade talks came about. | ||
| And so the UFC just said, fine, go ahead? | ||
| Well, there was more to it, right? | ||
| I mean, obviously, you know, Chacha just talked about it. | ||
| I heard you had something to do with it as well. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| What did I have to do with it? | ||
| Well, I'll get to that point. | ||
| So... | ||
| Obviously, you know, they want it. | ||
| Ben Askren has been wanting to fight in the UFC for a long time, right? | ||
| And then, so one championship in the UFC, we're talking back and forth between Hunter and Matt Hume and Malky. | ||
| So they're like, hey, let's do a trade, right? | ||
| Like, we'll give you Ben Askren for Demetrius Johnson. | ||
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Oh. | |
| And then at one point, I heard that, you know, Dana was like, nah, I don't want to make that happen, right? | ||
| I don't know the full. | ||
| I'm not in the room where all the puzzle pieces are being shifted. | ||
| And then I was hanging out somewhere, and then somebody said, you know, Joe Rogan had a piece in it. | ||
| And I was like, really? | ||
| He goes, yeah. | ||
| And I was told that you kind of convinced him. | ||
| I'm like, who gives a shit? | ||
| Like, just get Ben Askren or something like that. | ||
| So, yeah, I know, right? | ||
| That's not really accurate. | ||
| No, I definitely was trying to get them to get Ben Askren, but I was trying to get them to get Ben Askren back when he was at Bellator, when he was in his prime. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, I was like, listen, man, this guy has wrestled fucking everybody. | ||
| I want to see if he could do that to the whole division. | ||
| Like, when Ben was in his prime, when he did that to Koroskov, when he did that to Douglas Lima, I was like, you got to understand how crazy this is, that this guy can do this to everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people say, oh, it's boring. | ||
| It's boring. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| It's fighting. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This guy is imposing his style on these murderers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, Koroskov was a murderer and Douglas Lima is a fucking savage. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And he was just ragdolling these dudes and doing it in weird ways. | ||
| I remember he has a funky style. | ||
| About doing things. | ||
| And I remember somebody said he was training with him, and he was able to twist and turn a certain way to where if a normal human being would do it, they would tear their cartilage in their ribs. | ||
| And he was able to do that and bring him back to where he was. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, dude, that's a freak right there. | ||
| Well, he's always wrestled like that because he's not like a physically imposing guy. | ||
| I'm sure he's very strong because he's been wrestling his whole life. | ||
| But his style was always like this is weird style that was very difficult for people to understand. | ||
| So they would try to like do traditional shit with him and all of a sudden they'd be on their back. | ||
| Yeah, it just didn't work. | ||
| By the time we got him though, he was already fucked up. | ||
| He needed a hip replacement. | ||
| And he was already retired, right? | ||
| And so that's what I heard. | ||
| And so when they wanted to do that trade, they were like, yeah, we'll take Demetrius over Ben because Demetrius is still active and he's still, you know, still... | ||
| I always look at myself as a workhorse, right? | ||
| Like, I will... | ||
| You're paying me to fight, I'm going to fight, right? | ||
| And so I think it was a no-brainer for them, and that's how it happened. | ||
| Well, I definitely would have kept you in the UFC, so that's not... | ||
| I'm sorry, sweetheart. | ||
| I mean, if you look at guys like Davidson Figueredo, Brandon Moreno, there's some amazing fights for you. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And the flyweight division has sort of risen up now. | ||
| There's a lot of very interesting contenders now. | ||
| But I don't have any say in what goes down. | ||
| I'm not the guy in the negotiating room. | ||
| Why am I saying you're the one I was like, we need to make this happen. | ||
| Okay, we need to make it happen. | ||
| I just heard that you kind of had some type of persuasion, I guess you can say, when you guys were out and about. | ||
| But that's what I've been told. | ||
| Like I said, I don't know the full story because I'm just an athlete. | ||
| I'm just, hey, this is what I want. | ||
| Can you guys make it happen? | ||
| Then I let the higher-ups like Hunter, Matt Hume, Malky, they're doing all the pieces. | ||
| And then, you know, shit, for all I know, that could have been a fucking rumor. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely a rumor. | ||
| Oh, well, there you go. | ||
| It's a rumor. | ||
| Don't believe everything you hear. | ||
| But I definitely was excited to see Ben Askren come over to the UFC. And also, as a Fight fan, I was excited to see you go over to one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the same way I was excited to see Eddie Alvarez over there. | ||
| And I think we need more... | ||
| More competition is good. | ||
| It's good for everybody. | ||
| And what you're seeing now with 1FC is these world-class fucking guys. | ||
| Who's that guy that just fought John Lineker and broke his cup? | ||
| Fabricio Andrade. | ||
| Fucking beast, man. | ||
| Fucking beast. | ||
| He's a nasty man. | ||
| Fucking beast. | ||
| And I'm like, look, man, these guys are out there. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| The thing is, like, there's only so many slots in the UFC. Yep. | ||
| And every now and then, a guy like Shavkat, Rachmanov, comes on, you're like, where the fuck did this guy come from? | ||
| Well, those dudes are out there in the world. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They're kickboxers, they're sambo guys, they're jiu-jitsu guys. | ||
| They're out there in the world. | ||
| Yeah, I think Fabrice Andrade, absolutely amazing. | ||
| That fight against him and John Lineker... | ||
| Bro, he was putting the boots to Lineker. | ||
| Yeah, and he was timing that fucking hook. | ||
| Because John Lineker, he throws punches straight hardly, but it's usually the wild winged punches, right? | ||
| And with Fabrizio being so much taller than him, he's able to, you know, have good rhythm, throw that lead punch. | ||
| I mean, right here, he was just like, boom! | ||
| He nailed him with that knee to the body, but then unfortunately followed up with one right in the cup. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Yeah, first off, why is John Lenniker wearing a plastic cup? | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| Why doesn't he have one of those diamond MMA cups? | ||
| Like, I have a steel cup, and it still hurts. | ||
| Oh, you have a steel cup? | ||
| Oh, hell yeah, I have a steel cup. | ||
| They allow you to wear steel cups? | ||
| You're goddamn right. | ||
| Gotta protect these balls, baby. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| You're a father. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, I don't need him anymore, but I just don't want to have him. | ||
| You're done? | ||
| Oh, hell yeah, I'm done. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But the steel cup is kind of fucked up. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's metal. | ||
| Because you're hitting metal. | ||
| I'm a duck. | ||
| You really shouldn't hit it. | ||
| You're hitting my balls. | ||
| You definitely shouldn't hit it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But, you know, you could accidentally break your foot on metal. | ||
| I can accidentally break my foot on your elbow. | ||
| I guess you could. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it definitely happens. | ||
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Yep. | |
| But I feel like it should be... | ||
| Like, the Diamond MMA Cup, I think, is the perfect balance. | ||
| Because it's a compression cup. | ||
| It's hard as fuck. | ||
| You could take a solid shot. | ||
| Is it hard as steel? | ||
| It's definitely not. | ||
| Okay, well there we go. | ||
| But there's advantages to the diamond cup, or excuse me, to the steel cup, that I feel like might be a little unfair, particularly with leverage in arm bars. | ||
| Because it creates a fulcrum. | ||
| Like, you've got a steel thing, and you're bending the elbow over a steel thing. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
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Yeah, you like it. | |
| I love it! | ||
| Kenny Florian told me that too. | ||
| He always fought with a steel cup on him. | ||
| Like, for me... | ||
| I've been kicked in the balls before. | ||
| I think it was my second Ian McCall fight. | ||
| I kicked in the balls, going home, and you got your testicles. | ||
| You have your wires behind it, right? | ||
| And next thing you know, I'm like, holy shit, like, my balls hurt. | ||
| It's like two weeks, three weeks. | ||
| And next thing you know, I'm like, something's wrong, babe. | ||
| Like, something is wrong. | ||
| So I go to the doctor, and he's like, you know, check underneath there. | ||
| He goes, do you got a hernia? | ||
| I was like, you're fucking lying. | ||
| He goes, yeah, you got a hernia. | ||
| So I was about to get surgery to fix a hernia. | ||
| Then my wife was like, let's get a second opinion, right? | ||
| I go to another doctor, and he's checking underneath there, and he goes, oh, Doug, your wires are swollen. | ||
| You don't have a hernia. | ||
| And so he was like, you just need a proxen to get that inflammation out of your sac, essentially. | ||
| You need a what to get that? | ||
| Naproxen. | ||
| Naproxen? | ||
| I think it's naproxen. | ||
| It's anti-inflammatory. | ||
| So I took some of that and that cleared it up. | ||
| But just from that kick, and I think this time I was wearing a plastic cup. | ||
| He kicked me there and my shirt was worn. | ||
| I was like, yeah, never again. | ||
| I'm not going to wear a fucking plastic cup. | ||
| I'm wearing a steel cup because... | ||
| Kicked in the balls and needing the balls. | ||
| It's definitely the best protection. | ||
| Yeah, so that's why I wear it. | ||
| You know, like, even now I've been grappling in the gi. | ||
| Like, I still wear my cup when I grapple in the gi. | ||
| I trained with this dude once who had a steel cup on and we were grappling and he mounted me and put his steel cup in my fucking solar plexus with grapevines. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was like, God damn, dude, that's fucked up. | ||
| It was so hard. | ||
| It was just a metal piece just digging into your chest. | ||
| And he was a little bigger than me, too, so he was like, all this weight on me. | ||
| He was like... | ||
| He's basically dick-fucking me with a metal piece. | ||
| I guess you could say that. | ||
| It's rude. | ||
| I mean, I don't do that, right? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, I don't do that. | ||
| And for me, if my opponent wants to wear a steel cup, please do. | ||
| I will insist you do wear a steel cup because, you know, I can't promise that my kicks aren't going to make it up there. | ||
| I mean, well, I don't want to. | ||
| Shit happens, they collide. | ||
| I'd rather you do everything you can to protect your balls. | ||
| Whether you want to wear plastic. | ||
| Well, if you guys have lost balls, You know, there was a guy who was one of the Miltich guys who, uh, he was training and he didn't wear a cup for like the last round. | ||
| He's like, last round, just like light sparring. | ||
| Now it's gonna happen. | ||
| And some dude kicked him and his ball exploded. | ||
| It's happened a bunch of times. | ||
| You see? | ||
| See, now you're on my side. | ||
| You're gonna go home like, I need a steel cup. | ||
| Yeah, I really like the diamonds, those diamond MMA cups, because they come with compression shorts and they really cinch up tight. | ||
| I have to look into it because I... It's funny because when I do grapple, they're like, why do you have that cup on? | ||
| And I was like, I was really grappling the other night, and a guy tried to kick me over, kicked me straight, straight in the balls. | ||
| And I was like, and it went, like, dong. | ||
| And I was like, you see, that's why I have that on. | ||
| Because if Rudy hit me there, I would have tapped. | ||
| I'm like, I need 15 minutes to rest because you hit my balls. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And hopefully you didn't damage them. | ||
| Hopefully it's just a bruise. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, balls are fucking terrible design, God. | ||
| Why'd you put them on the outside like that? | ||
| I'll put two things and let it hang there and don't let them get hit because it's going to hurt extremely bad. | ||
| How about some more time in the design and implementation phase of the human being? | ||
| He's like, I got all this extra stuff. | ||
| It's the case with all animals. | ||
| I was watching a lion kill a zebra the other day because I'm a mess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's my algorithm. | ||
| And so I was watching this lion kill a zebra and it was horrible because the lions had the zebra down like a couple lions and one lion just goes right to the sack. | ||
| That's my sack! | ||
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That's mine! | |
| Don't touch it! | ||
| And she's just pulling the nut sack off of this zebra. | ||
| I'm like, God damn it. | ||
| What a terrible design. | ||
| It's a faulty design in all the species, right? | ||
| Yeah, all of them. | ||
| All the male species. | ||
| Like the whole planet, except for crustaceans and fish and snakes and shit. | ||
| But everybody else, nuts are on the outside. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Reptiles. | ||
| Well, you know, maybe we'll evolve and something will happen. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
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Maybe. | |
| Maybe. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Jamie, son of a bitch. | ||
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Jamie goes right to it. | |
| It's so horrible, man. | ||
| Look at her. | ||
| She's just pulling on that sack. | ||
| Bro, you can see more... | ||
| Oh! | ||
| You can see more ruthless shit online. | ||
| I was watching online today. | ||
| I saw a dude kill a dude with an axe. | ||
| I was just like on my Instagram feed. | ||
| My Instagram feed. | ||
| Some dude is at a store holding onto an axe and he's like swinging the axe. | ||
| The dude is sitting there on his phone and this guy just axes him in the middle of his forehead. | ||
| Just decides to fuck it and just swings and just buries the axe in this dude's head. | ||
| That's fucking horrible. | ||
| You should've been watching that stuff. | ||
| That's bad for you. | ||
| I couldn't help it. | ||
| It just showed up. | ||
| And I was like, is this motherfucker really gonna hit him with an axe on Instagram? | ||
| Like, yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You see so much shit. | ||
| You see more mayhem, more chaos, more animals getting torn apart by lions and leopards and shit. | ||
| It's like, you see so much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The internet is a dangerous place. | ||
| I try to stay off it as much as possible. | ||
| And the fact that you can see shit like that on the internet where somebody just gets axed in the forehead is absolutely crazy. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| The fact that it's on Instagram, I mean, I'm sure they pull it eventually. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But someone's got to report it. | ||
| I'm sure when it's on there, somebody took a screen capture, reported it, and then it's off, you know? | ||
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And then they put it on Reddit, and now it's on 4chan. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| If it makes it on the internet, it's there forever. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| It's surfing around somebody's, you know... | ||
| You know, mainframe somewhere. | ||
| But on the plus side, like, if you're a martial artist, your access to techniques is off the charts. | ||
| 1000%. | ||
| Like, when you started, when you were 18 years old, like, what year was that? | ||
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I'll say 2006. Yeah, there wasn't nearly as much available. | |
| There was some. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was definitely better than, like, starting in the 90s. | ||
| Oh, yeah, 2006. But what the fuck, man? | ||
| There's so much information now on technique, and you could watch so many different styles, so many different people competing, And Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu and wrestling and everything. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Well, it's funny because when I'm grappling with my gi, I'll come back. | ||
| I'll see someone on Instagram. | ||
| I'm like, okay, I see that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll come in general. | ||
| I'm like, ah. | ||
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Ha! | |
| Success! | ||
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It works! | |
| And then I'll get them in a choke. | ||
| And I'm like, I learned that on Instagram. | ||
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They're like, shut the hell up! | |
| I swear to God, just this morning. | ||
| But yeah, I think the internet could be a good place. | ||
| It could be a horrible place, right? | ||
| Well, that's humans. | ||
| Well, that's true. | ||
| Humans could be good or they could be horrible. | ||
| 1000%. | ||
| The internet is just information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think there's great information on the internet to get techniques to see how somebody done a certain move or how they're manipulating or shit to fix a car as well. | ||
| A lot of times when I have a problem, my wife's like, babe, I can't get this to work. | ||
| I'm like, hang up, baby. | ||
| I'll try it. | ||
| I'm like, let me go to my office real quick. | ||
| I gotta go read a book. | ||
| Okay, come back up like I'm a fucking genius. | ||
| Oh, you just gotta do this and this. | ||
| She goes, wow, good job. | ||
| I was like, yeah. | ||
| She doesn't know about the internet? | ||
| I mean, she does. | ||
| Keep her in the dark. | ||
| Keep her in the dark. | ||
| Keep her thinking that you're a wizard. | ||
| One is also streaming, right? | ||
| Is it on Amazon Prime now? | ||
| Amazon Prime. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| After the TNT deal, I think we did four fights on TNT. I felt like TNT was really focused on AEW. Every single time you go on TNT, it was always AEW, AEW. Using us, I felt using us as a launcher platform to bring more fans to AEW from my perspective. | ||
| But when the deal happened with Amazon, I didn't know it did. | ||
| And then there's talks about, hey, we just landed a brand new US broadcast deal. | ||
| And I was like, okay, who could it be? | ||
| Is it... | ||
| You know, YouTube, who is it? | ||
| And they see it was actually Amazon. | ||
| Amazon, I was like, oh, this is a fucking game changer. | ||
| It is if Amazon gets behind it. | ||
| It is. | ||
| They are. | ||
| Are they getting behind it in terms of, like, publicity? | ||
| 1000%. | ||
| Yeah, that's good. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Because they have so much... | ||
| It's such a weird platform because you also can buy shoes. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, you could buy fucking jumper cables. | ||
| You could buy anything. | ||
| You could buy anything. | ||
| You could buy a kidney on fucking Amazon. | ||
| But if you have Amazon Prime, which like most people do, you also have access to all these television shows. | ||
| Music, television shows. | ||
| Terminalists. | ||
| Terminalists, amazing. | ||
| Ring of Powers. | ||
| And then now we have live fights. | ||
| White championships. | ||
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I love it. | |
| I love that they're doing that. | ||
| I just want more opportunities for fighters because I think if the sport is going to grow, I love the UFC, obviously. | ||
| I'm not working anywhere else. | ||
| There's only 500 fighters in the UFC. Yeah. | ||
| There's thousands and thousands of elite fighters all over the world. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And if they don't get a shot, guys like Adriano, guys like, what's the guy's name that fought Lineker again? | ||
| Fabricio Andrade. | ||
| Guys like that. | ||
| Like, where's that guy coming from? | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, guys like, what's the dude that knocked out Giorgio Petrosian? | ||
| Subban. | ||
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Who? | |
| Nasty. | ||
| To do that to Petrosian? | ||
| I mean, Petrosian is recognized as one of the very best kickboxers of all time. | ||
| And for him to right kick to the body, right kick to the head like that, holy shit. | ||
| Dude, when I tell people the kickboxing... | ||
| Yeah, look at this. | ||
| Right kick to the body, right kick to the body, boom. | ||
| To see Petrosian go out like that is wild. | ||
| Has he fought since? | ||
| I don't think he has. | ||
| I don't think he has, yeah. | ||
| That's one of those KOs that, you know, like when Terry Adam got knocked out by Edson Barboza. | ||
| Oh, yeah, the spinning back kick? | ||
| You're like, I don't know if you come back from that one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's sometimes when dudes get hit, it's like, it's so brutal, you might never see them again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The biggest thing that I love about one championship is like, everybody's like, oh man, you know, the striking's unbelievable, but I was like, no dude, like, you want to see some high-level fucking striking? | ||
| Like, Subban, Giorgio. | ||
| My favorite person to watch that's just pure kickboxing is Hiro Akimoto. | ||
| I was there live when he won the belt. | ||
| I think it was in Singapore. | ||
| I was sitting there watching it and I was like, oh my god, this man. | ||
| His kick and he'll block and then fire back immediately. | ||
| Fucking A, man. | ||
| I was like, absolutely amazing. | ||
| Like, just... | ||
| I'm blown away. | ||
| Well, that's one of the... | ||
| Also the beautiful things about what they're doing at one is that you get to see striking with no grappling. | ||
| No grappling. | ||
| So you get to see what the most elite expression... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The purest form. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The purest form of striking. | ||
| Like, these two guys, that's all we do. | ||
| We don't play on the ground. | ||
| We don't grapple. | ||
| It's pure striking. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's, like, one of the things I love to watch is, like, when I'm sitting there and people are like, oh, man, what do you like to watch? | ||
| Well, obviously, I like to watch... | ||
| You know, mixed martial arts. | ||
| But when I get the chance to watch, like, high-level, like, kickboxing, especially heavyweights who move fast. | ||
| Like, I don't know the gentleman's name. | ||
| There's a kickboxer in one. | ||
| He's fucking massive. | ||
| And he's got fucking six-pack. | ||
| And he's got good pecs. | ||
| He looks like a superhero. | ||
| And he's like, bop, bop, bop, high kick, uppercut, right hand. | ||
| I was like, oh, my God, this is amazing. | ||
| That's one of the things I love about with One Chip Chip. | ||
| It's just you get the purest of the form of the martial arts. | ||
| But then in contrast, you get to see... | ||
| There he is! | ||
| Look at him! | ||
| Let me see that again? | ||
| Like a fucking superhero, bop! | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| Jesus, who is that dude? | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Roman Crickula? | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Cricklia? | ||
| Cricklia? | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Dude, like, look at that guy. | ||
| He's like, oh, Jesus Louisa. | ||
| What has just happened to me? | ||
| And then look, look at him. | ||
| Come right back for some more. | ||
| Just getting right back in there. | ||
| Bop, bop, bop. | ||
| Is he Russian, that dude? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Sounds Russian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whatever it is from that part of the world. | ||
| That's the thing I love about watching One. | ||
| When he fights, I always try to watch. | ||
| And then boom, you're just exchanging. | ||
| We were like, I hate watching grappling. | ||
| I was like, perfect. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| And don't say anything. | ||
| Shut your mouth. | ||
| And just enjoy this. | ||
| Stand-up, I just love it. | ||
| That's the purest. | ||
| MMA striking would never get there. | ||
| Well, it can't. | ||
| And the good contrast to that is your second round with Rod Tang. | ||
| This is why MMA's striking because you can't open yourself up like that. | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| Go to that second round. | ||
| Go to the second round with Rod Tang and DJ. So this is the second round. | ||
| You're like, okay, baby. | ||
| Now it's time to get it back. | ||
| And you can see Rod Tang. | ||
| He doesn't look nearly as confident either. | ||
| He kind of realizes. | ||
| Look how he's on the outside now. | ||
| Different game, right? | ||
| It's a different game. | ||
| Fuck yes. | ||
| Look at him now. | ||
| Look at the difference. | ||
| Look at the fucking difference! | ||
| Man, what a contrast! | ||
| My corner man, James, I love that man, he goes, look at him, he's running! | ||
| Look at him, he's running right now! | ||
| Of course he's running. | ||
| What's a wild contrast difference between the first and the second round? | ||
| Well, like you said, you can't open yourself up. | ||
| He really can't even move forward. | ||
| Yeah, because if he does, I'm taking you down. | ||
| He's basically resigning himself to being defensive in this round. | ||
| Look at how his hands are positioned. | ||
| He's looking to just push you away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's looking to get the fuck out of there. | ||
| And for me, it was like, I just need to make... | ||
| I have three minutes to work, right? | ||
| And I'm like, okay, I got to make sure when I get there, I have to be settled. | ||
| So these are one of the things I felt that's helped me in my evolution is becoming better. | ||
| I know it's crazy to say it, being 36 years old. | ||
| It's just taking my... | ||
| Ooh, look at that. | ||
| Duck under. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Just taking my time. | ||
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Beautiful. | |
| That's a wrap, son. | ||
| You ain't getting out of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was the beautiful thing about watching that fight is seeing the difference between these elite strikers when they're just allowed to strike and then seeing the difference between an elite MMA fighter and how he knows he can't implement his game the same way. | ||
| That's just how it's... | ||
| This is a beautiful example of why mixed martial arts is the best combat sport in the world. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| It's the best art form, right? | ||
| Obviously, you're bringing all of them together, but if you have someone who's a great boxer, you know, if you're an MMA guy, you can play in that realm of boxing. | ||
| You can take him to a place where he can't breathe. | ||
| Or if you have a guy who's a great jiu-jitsu guy, it's like, perfect. | ||
| I'm not going to go to the ground. | ||
| If we do, I'm going to punch you in the face. | ||
| Like Matt Hughes, he's like, everybody knows how to do armbar. | ||
| So you punch him in the face, and everything is forgotten. | ||
| Yeah, you're creeping with that left arm. | ||
| Yeah, here I've been focused on in the training camp. | ||
| I didn't care if I got underneath your chin. | ||
| I was working on my squeeze and just try to squeeze the blood out of your head. | ||
| That was amazing. | ||
| And that dude fucking hung in there, man. | ||
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He did. | |
| He hung in there. | ||
| He took it. | ||
| I mean, he's getting the fuck choked out of him, too. | ||
| See, I think he's got a steel cup on. | ||
| It's actually a Muay Thai steel cup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he went out, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| No tapping. | ||
| Just tried to hang in there as long as he could. | ||
| But that, to me, is one of the more interesting things about seeing a match like that. | ||
| You get to see. | ||
| People that don't know go, who's going to beat that guy? | ||
| Look at his striking. | ||
| He's going after Mighty Mouse, one of the greatest of all time. | ||
| Look how he's beating him up. | ||
| And then you see the sack rod. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Oh, that's what would happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what would happen. | ||
| That's why I love... | ||
| Like I said, that's what I love about when they offered me that fight. | ||
| At the beginning, I'm like, hey, we want you to fight Ra-Tang for the Muay Thai World Championship. | ||
| I was like, guys, I'm very grateful. | ||
| I'm very appalled. | ||
| But... | ||
| They try to kill you. | ||
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They try to kill you. | |
| They do shit like that over there, dude. | ||
| When Saryukian, when Eddie Alvarez fought Saryukian... | ||
| That's the dude who knocked him out? | ||
| In One Chip Chip? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He blew his eyeball up? | ||
| The first dude he fought over there. | ||
| Timothy Nasty Nukin. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I'm thinking of a different guy. | ||
| But blew his eyeball up, right? | ||
| The names sound the same. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think of Nasty Nukin. | ||
| Yeah, Nasty Nukin. | ||
| I call him Mr. Nasty. | ||
| He is nasty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's another one of those guys. | ||
| Like, you never heard of him. | ||
| You never heard of him. | ||
| But then you watch him fight. | ||
| Find that fight. | ||
| You never see him before, but you go before the KO. But when you see him fight, you're like, Jesus Christ, out of nowhere. | ||
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Where the fuck's this guy been? | |
| Right. | ||
| Out of nowhere and big as fuck, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Eddie's fine at 170 right now. | ||
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Right. | |
| So it's not 155 when he's fine in the UFC. So in one championship, there's no weight cutting. | ||
| You have to weigh in hydrated, right? | ||
| So that's why the guy looks massive compared to Eddie. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| Eddie's been spending pretty much all his career cutting to 155. He's a big 155. He's a huge 155er. | ||
| So now that he's fighting guys at 170, the proportion, you've seen a guy at 155 his whole career, now he's at 170, it's like, oh, he's going to look different, right? | ||
| Now, how do they do the hydration thing? | ||
| Because that's very controversial. | ||
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Yeah, okay. | |
| Because, like, didn't nine people miss weight in the last event? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So how they do it? | ||
| So when you weigh in, first you gotta do your hydration. | ||
| You gotta do your hydration test. | ||
| You go in the bathroom, guy watches you pee in the cup, you bring it out, they sit up there, and they test the gravity of your urine, right? | ||
| So obviously the urine is more... | ||
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Gravity. | |
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Space piss. | ||
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Yeah, right? | |
| So they test our space piss, as you would call it, and they want to see the gravity, right? | ||
| So if it's more yellow, which means you're more dehydrated. | ||
| I think it's, there's a, I forget what it's called, but it's a little, almost like a thermometer. | ||
| If it's 250, you're on the cuss. | ||
| If it's 251, you're dehydrated. | ||
| You fail. | ||
| If you're overly hydrated, because if you just drink a whole bunch of water, you're going to piss clear. | ||
| That means you're overly hydrated. | ||
| The people have failed that as well. | ||
| Overly hydrated. | ||
| How can you be overly hydrated? | ||
| Is that because you're trying to mask the fact that you're dehydrated? | ||
| It could be, something like that. | ||
| I remember there was a time in the fight where Shinya Aoki, he peed and his shit was like 0-0-0-1. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, you're way overly hydrated. | ||
| Come back and do it. | ||
| They might have changed it, right? | ||
| But this was back in, I think we were fighting, it was in Japan, I think in 2019? | ||
| I feel like. | ||
| And so you want to be in a sweet spot, right? | ||
| You don't want to be too low. | ||
| You want to be too high, right? | ||
| So I just try to be right in the middle. | ||
| So how do they make sure that that's your actual weight though? | ||
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So... | |
| At the end of the day, you can't. | ||
| You really can't. | ||
| But what you can do is prevent serious diet like what Hamzat Chmaev does. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It's that kind of shit. | ||
| 1000%. | ||
| Where you're cutting 35 pounds. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| So my natural walk-along weight, like whatever I want to eat and all that stuff is like 142. So when I start dieting, I'll get down to 138 and working out. | ||
| So I'm three pounds away from the cutoff for 135. Reasonable. | ||
| Reasonable. | ||
| When I was making 125, I was fucking, not killing myself, but I was cutting weight. | ||
| What would you weigh the day before you began your cut at 125? | ||
| About 128, 127. Oh, that's not bad. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But you dehydrated or you dieted. | ||
| So I would drink two gallons of water for two weeks straight. | ||
| So I think a gallon of water is what, eight pounds? | ||
| I think you're right? | ||
| Eight pounds, I could be wrong. | ||
| Can you explain how that works? | ||
| Yeah, so what I did when I was cutting 125, I drank two gallons of water for two weeks straight. | ||
| And what you're doing is you're water-loading your body. | ||
| So you're basically just pissing all day. | ||
| So your body gets used to having all this extra water on you, right? | ||
| And then as you're dieting, yeah, so eight pounds. | ||
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See? | |
| My math is good. | ||
| So it's eight pounds. | ||
| So if I drink two gallons of water, I got 16 pounds of water in me that I can lose. | ||
| So when I jump in the tub to cut my weight, I'm not pulling from my organs, my kidneys, and all that stuff. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And then you make 125, you get out, and then I would make the weight, right? | ||
| So that's what it does? | ||
| It keeps it from pulling from your organs? | ||
| From my scientific, I'm not a scientist, Joe, but I've never missed weight. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| You didn't know that? | ||
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I didn't know that. | |
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Well, now you know. | ||
| I'm not a scientist, all right? | ||
| And I'm not a fucking doctor as well. | ||
| So people, when you hear this, don't say I said you can do it. | ||
| But that's what I did. | ||
| I would drink two gallons of water. | ||
| Do you ever do distilled water? | ||
| Nope, just basic water. | ||
| I've heard that's dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard that too. | ||
| I heard somebody had a seizure on that shit. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| So I was like, nope. | ||
| Because you're just robbing your body of electrolytes, right? | ||
| And minerals. | ||
| And you are pissing out your electrolytes and your minerals too, right? | ||
| Because when you drink that much water, I mean, two gallons. | ||
| Like, when I fought Kyojo Horiguchi, I got like... | ||
| I guess you call it water poison because I was going from Toronto, excuse me, from Seattle all the way to Toronto, and I'm dieting too. | ||
| So there's nothing in a plane that you can eat that's going to, you know, it's all full of sodium. | ||
| I'm going to hang on to all the water, right? | ||
| And obviously you cut off the sodium so your body flushes the water. | ||
| On the way to Toronto, I drank two gallons of water before boarding a plane, right? | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| And so the whole plane ride, I didn't eat anything, just pounding water. | ||
| I get there and I'm just sick, like just as a dog. | ||
| And next thing you know, Matt's like, usually when I land, I always get work out. | ||
| I was like, Matt, I don't feel good. | ||
| Like, I don't want to work out. | ||
| And he goes... | ||
| Okay, alright, no worries, just go to bed. | ||
| Next day woke up and he goes, hey, you need to eat. | ||
| And I ate, shit, just right through me. | ||
| And I just couldn't keep anything down. | ||
| The next thing you know, a couple days he goes, don't train, just relax. | ||
| And then the UFC wanted me to do media and he was like, nah dog, he's not feeling good. | ||
| Then eventually the third day started to feel better. | ||
| And then when it came to cutting weight, I was able to make weight because I was just losing so much from being sick. | ||
| And I remember the first time in the fight when I got taken down, I think it was the first or the second round, I was like, I don't fucking want to be here right now. | ||
| Like, I am. | ||
| I'm just not. | ||
| I'm not here. | ||
| Like, I'm not in it. | ||
| But then, you know, we rallied. | ||
| People have died from drinking too much water. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Which is so crazy. | ||
| Like fraternity hazings and shit. | ||
| Well, shit, I hear GSP does, what, water fasting for three days? | ||
| I was talking to some gentlemen here, and they were like, yeah, we're about to do our three-day water fast, man. | ||
| I'm super pumped. | ||
| I was like, I would get a headache. | ||
| Like, I just couldn't do it. | ||
| Yeah, but he doesn't drink that much water. | ||
| He just drinks only water. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| He's not drinking two gallons. | ||
| So I misinterpreted that. | ||
| He's just drinking two gallons of water. | ||
| Let's go, boys! | ||
| But, yeah, so... | ||
| That's what I did when I cut to 125. I drank two gallons of water for two weeks straight, diet down, cut out the sodium, then I'll cut off water the day before, weigh in, and then sit in the tub, boil it myself. | ||
| Why the tub and not the sauna? | ||
| Because the sauna was not accessible depending on where you're fighting. | ||
| You always got a tub wherever you're fighting. | ||
| I remember when I fought Joseph the second time, I cut 8.2 pounds. | ||
| 8.2 pounds that day to make the weight and we use the tub. | ||
| It works good. | ||
| So, what 1FC does is, how many days before the fight do they test your hydration? | ||
| So, before COVID, which is, this is what I really like. | ||
| This is how you try to keep people at the same weight, right? | ||
| Like how you have something blown from 180 come down to 140, right? | ||
| Obviously, you can't stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen, right? | ||
| But you would have to weigh in two times, right? | ||
| So, in the past, you would fight on Saturday. | ||
| So, you're weighing Thursday. | ||
| Test hydration and weigh in. | ||
| Friday, test hydration and weigh in. | ||
| So if I weighed 135 on Thursday, 135 on Friday, the likely chance of me blowing up to whatever, 155 or 165, it's kind of not going to happen unless I'm just going to put on too much excessive weight, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then now they weigh you after you're done fighting. | ||
| So that's another thing they're starting to implement as well. | ||
| So when I fought Adriano, Weighed 135. After the fight, I weighed 138. And then the next day, I woke up weighing 136. So I don't blow back up, you know, like these guys do when they cut all that massive weight. | ||
| So that's the biggest thing is that... | ||
| Hydration, check the weight. | ||
| If you feel hydration, you're not checking your weight, right? | ||
| You might be on weight. | ||
| You might be 135, but you're fucking over-dehydrated. | ||
| They're not going to let you step on a scale. | ||
| They're like, nope, go get hydrated. | ||
| Obviously, to get hydrated, you gotta drink water. | ||
| You drink water, you get heavier. | ||
| So what do they do if you miss the weight? | ||
| When all those people missed weight, there was like nine fighters in the car that missed weight. | ||
| They have an opportunity to go back and... | ||
| Get their hydration in check and get their weight in check. | ||
| But if you're missing weight, you're too big. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How are you going to get smaller without dehydrating? | ||
| That's the science behind it. | ||
| You have to... | ||
| So what I've heard people do is that they would drink a lot of water, get their bladder full of hydrated water, right? | ||
| And then they'll go work out, lose the weight, and your bladder still has that hydrated water. | ||
| And then what they do is, I'm on weight. | ||
| I weigh 105, 135. I have this hydrated... | ||
| Water or urine, space piss, in my bladder. | ||
| Then I go out there and I pee, hydrate it, hydrate it, and then I weigh in 135. So that's, I've heard people do that before as well. | ||
| So there's like some shenanigans, but less. | ||
| There's always going to be some shenanigans, right? | ||
| But I think the biggest thing is that weighing after the fight, right? | ||
| Because after you fight, you know, if I fought Adrian, I weighed in 135, and I come off the scale, off the cage, I'm like 162, and they weigh me, then it's like, okay, dude, like... | ||
| That's too big of a drastic jump between 135 to 165. Do you think there should be more weight classes in MMA? Nah. | ||
| No? | ||
| I think they're good. | ||
| I think 135, 125, 135, 145, 155. I think there could be a 160. But here's the thing. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Bless you, honey. | ||
| Bless you. | ||
| That was a wild one. | ||
| I almost pulled my back out with that one. | ||
| I was like, woo! | ||
| I think when you have... | ||
| When you add more of these weight classes, you're going to start seeing people try to go from 155 to 185. Right? | ||
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No, 70, 85. Oh, it went 70. Yeah, so I think it's fine. | |
| 70 to 85 is a big jump, though, man. | ||
| It's only 15 pounds. | ||
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That's a lot. | |
| Eh, it's true. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Fuck, I grapple with people who are way bigger. | ||
| I'm not fighting them, so it's different. | ||
| Right, but the fighting thing is the difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then 85 to 205 is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it could. | ||
| I mean, I don't see why not. | ||
| I mean, obviously, more weight classes, more opportunities for fighters to make money, so why not? | ||
| More champions. | ||
| More champions. | ||
| More champion versus champion matchups. | ||
| Yeah, so I can see. | ||
| I mean, why not? | ||
| I think 10 pounds is reasonable. | ||
| Every 10 is reasonable. | ||
| Yeah, so 130, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185. Yeah, just do that. | ||
| 195, and then 215, and then heavyweight. | ||
| Call it good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, let's see why not. | ||
| I mean, it's not like it's going to hurt anybody's brand if you had more weight classes. | ||
| I don't think it would hurt anything. | ||
| But it'll get... | ||
| More athletes, opportunity to be able to make money and make small shorts. | ||
| And you won't have people come, you know, because I went over in Singapore and I see the guys who make 125, like Jared Brooks and then Alex Silva. | ||
| We're all the same height. | ||
| And I'm like, how the fuck are you guys making 125 hydrated? | ||
| Like, I cannot do it. | ||
| But then when I get next to them, I'm just more girthier. | ||
| Like, I'm just bigger. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| But I'm the same height. | ||
| So I feel it gives people an opportunity to be at certain weight classes where if he was to fight me at 135, then he'd be like, you know, there'd be size disadvantage. | ||
| Yeah, well, especially at the lower weight classes, it's a larger percentage of your body weight. | ||
| Like a 10-pound gap at heavyweight is not that big of a deal. | ||
| When it's at my weight, it's a huge deal because, you know, the percentage of your body fat, or body fat by your weight. | ||
| Another thing that I think is weird is the weight limit at heavyweight. | ||
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I know, when they miss it, I'm like, how the fuck you missed 265? | |
| But the fact that it exists at all... | ||
| Yeah, they should just have an open weight, just like... | ||
| Yeah, why do you have a 265 cutoff for the biggest fighter in the UFC? I don't know. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, it is what it is. | ||
| Because if Francis can weigh whatever the fuck he wants, I want to see what he weighs. | ||
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He's like 308. 298 pounds. | |
| I think he'd probably be like, well... | ||
| I think he'd probably be exactly what he is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he's like the perfect specimen for heavyweight. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I don't foresee him cutting a whole bunch of weight back and forth. | ||
| No, I don't think he cuts any weight. | ||
| But he just stays lean, which is perfect anyway. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you think about the opportunities that would be available if you had every 10 pounds, I only see positives. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, 1000%. | ||
| No negative. | ||
| Only positive. | ||
| Like you said, when you said it gives athletes a better opportunity to make more opportunity for athletes and fighters to be able to compete, why not, right? | ||
| Yeah, I only see positives. | ||
| So they came to you and they asked you to fight for the World Muay Thai Championship against Rotten. | ||
| Oh yeah, back in that story. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We just go on these little tansies, little journeys and shit. | ||
| That's okay, I'll bring it back. | ||
| So, I was on the couch with the wife and I was like, hey babe. | ||
| Well, they said once you fight him. | ||
| I was like, you know guys, I'm grateful for the opportunity. | ||
| But I was like, I have no interest in being a world Muay Thai fighter. | ||
| Like, I just don't. | ||
| It's not on my bucket list. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| But I was like, but I will fight. | ||
| And I said, and I don't want to disrespect the other guys. | ||
| Who been working their whole lives to capture that dream. | ||
| Did you ask for MMA first? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| I said, let me finish the story. | ||
| Sorry, sorry. | ||
| Cut me off. | ||
| Joe, what's wrong with you? | ||
| No, I mean one round MMA first. | ||
| No, I'm going to get there. | ||
| You're going to love it. | ||
| I hope you love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
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I'm sure I love it. | |
| So I said, I said, I don't want to take that opportunity for somebody else who wants to be a Muay Thai world champion. | ||
| I was like, I'll still fight Rotten. | ||
| We can fight through three threes. | ||
| We do it in big gloves. | ||
| We can make it happen. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, okay, we'll come back to you. | ||
| We'll take you something. | ||
| And they called me back. | ||
| And then I hung up the phone. | ||
| I talked to my wife. | ||
| And she goes, who was that? | ||
| I was like, it was one. | ||
| She goes, what did they want? | ||
| And I was like, they want to fight Rotten. | ||
| She goes... | ||
| I was like, yeah. | ||
| And she goes, well, how do you feel about it? | ||
| And I was like, well, it'll be fun. | ||
| You can see what happens. | ||
| I was like, remember, this is what they pay me to do is fight. | ||
| This is why I fight, to make money, right? | ||
| And she goes, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She goes, okay, well, you know, he's very dangerous, so we'll see what happens. | ||
| Then he called me back, and I'm like, hey, how will we do a special rules fight? | ||
| I was like, I'm listening. | ||
| And I'm like, one round Muay Thai, second round MMA, third round Muay Thai, And I was like, and what are the rounds? | ||
| She's like, three minute rounds. | ||
| I was like, still same contract pay and all that stuff. | ||
| He was like, yeah, but I was like, send a contract. | ||
| And then when it got announced, Smoky's like, dog! | ||
| I can't believe you do MMA first. | ||
| And he was like, how come you argue for MMA? And I was like, guys, I'm 35 years old. | ||
| I'm tired of arguing and trying to get the upper hand and do all that shit. | ||
| And I was like, if I can't make it out the first round of Muay Thai, then so be it. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Like, I just don't care. | ||
| And that's how I left it. | ||
| I didn't care about if it was first round Muay Thai or second round. | ||
| I didn't care. | ||
| I just truly didn't care. | ||
| Well, we got to see the contrast that way. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| If we didn't, it would be... | ||
| It would have been over the first round. | ||
| I would have gone out there, taken down, passed guard, submitted him like, okay, GG's boy. | ||
| GG's boy? | ||
| Good game, baby. | ||
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Oh. | |
| You're doing video game talk. | ||
| Yeah, I am. | ||
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I am. | |
| Sorry. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| You're a heavy-duty gamer. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| But yeah, so there was no back-and-forth. | ||
| And that's how, for me, that's how I wanted to be. | ||
| I'm at the end of my career. | ||
| I know it. | ||
| There's the end of the tunnel. | ||
| I see it. | ||
| I'm smiling, looking at it. | ||
| And the last thing I'm going to do is sit here and go back and forth with the company. | ||
| I'm like, I really think we should do MMA first. | ||
| I was like, you know what? | ||
| If I get knocked out the first round, I tried. | ||
| Did you talk to Rod Tang at all afterwards and ask him how you trained? | ||
| I said, how hard did I hit you? | ||
| Was it harder? | ||
| He goes, it was okay. | ||
| I was like, hey boys, hey, we take that. | ||
| We'll take that. | ||
| But the beautiful thing about over there is that it's like a frat house. | ||
| It's like a college house. | ||
| What I mean by that is, like, after that fight, you know, we're all in the back. | ||
| You see Stamp, you see Adriano, you see Yuya Wakamatsu, you see Ra-Tang. | ||
| We're all, you know, just talking, just chopping it up. | ||
| Like, you know, I remember Adriano told Stamp, and Stamp was like, oh, I wanted to win so bad. | ||
| She fought Angela Lee that night, I believe. | ||
| And she goes, I wanted to win so bad. | ||
| And Adriano was like, it's okay. | ||
| Today, it wasn't your time. | ||
| You have to learn. | ||
| You learn from this, right? | ||
| So we're all trying to make sure we all eat. | ||
| And it's not like you see fucking Leon Edwards and Jorge, they're always cutting each other down. | ||
| That's the biggest thing that I don't like seeing. | ||
| You don't have to cut somebody down to make yourself look better. | ||
| But that cutting down is part of the psychological warfare. | ||
| Yeah, for a weak-minded person, you can say all the shit you want. | ||
| When that cage goes, you're getting the full force of me. | ||
| I don't give two rats ass whatever you say to me. | ||
| You can say whatever you want, but when that door closes, I'm getting in your fucking ass. | ||
| Has anybody ever pissed you off to the point where you fought differently? | ||
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Nope. | |
| Nobody. | ||
| Why are you saying something to begin with? | ||
| We're gonna fight. | ||
| We're gonna fight. | ||
| You can say whatever you want. | ||
| I'm just gonna bring it. | ||
| There's two sides of me, right? | ||
| Me, who's just chilling and happy-go-lucky. | ||
| And then there's a dark side of me where it's like, they're paying me to fight. | ||
| And this is what I provide my family. | ||
| So you can see whatever the fuck you want me. | ||
| When that door closes, I'm going to give you every bit of me. | ||
| I'm going to fight with a broken hand, broken rib, broken leg. | ||
| At the end of this, they're gonna fix me back to 100%, but I'm gonna give you 100% of me. | ||
| Like I tell myself, focus 125% meaty on this task at hand. | ||
| So when I see people cutting each other down in a psychological war, I'm like, why are you talking? | ||
| Shut the fuck up and just fight. | ||
| The Islam and Charles Olivera fight, Them, I get goosebumps seeing them stare down, not talk. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Because I know the gravity of what they bring to the table. | ||
| Yeah, Oliver is so respectful. | ||
| So respectful. | ||
| And that makes me, that turns me on even more to those athletes, right? | ||
| Like, people who talk, like, I made you do this, da-da-da-da. | ||
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| In my opinion, right? | ||
| People, oh man, it's selling tickets. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I'm watching because I know the gravity of your skill set. | ||
| That's what turns me on, right? | ||
| But then there's a lot of things where I try to just... | ||
| I try to push my weight because I go down like a rabbit hole where I'm like, I don't need this. | ||
| It just... | ||
| It's kind of like you when you're watching people getting murdered on the internet. | ||
| Like for me, I'm like... | ||
| I just gotta step away for a little bit and push it away. | ||
| Yeah, but the good thing about the shit-talking is pay-per-view buys. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like what Conor does. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| That dude brings eyeballs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And part of it is his ability. | ||
| To talk? | ||
| Yeah, but also the fight. | ||
| Hey, I'm not gonna lie. | ||
| Hey, when Betch Crihera and Ronda Rousey were about to fight, and then I remember Betch sets on the Ronda, and Ronda was like, I'm gonna beat these bitches out. | ||
| I was like, I gotta buy the pay-per-view. | ||
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Fuck it. | |
| Ah, pizza! | ||
| You sold me. | ||
| I purchased it, right? | ||
| And, you know, with Conor, I mean, he took the sport to a whole new level. | ||
| Like, I'll never forget. | ||
| I was playing Counter-Strike, right? | ||
| And I'm sitting there playing, shooting people. | ||
| And then I was like, y'all know who Conor McGregor is? | ||
| He goes, uh, yeah. | ||
| What have you been living on a fucking rock? | ||
| I'm like, this motherfucker made it into the game world. | ||
| He don't even play video games. | ||
| Like, good for you, Conor. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Do those people you're playing know it's you? | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| Living under a rock. | ||
| Bitch, I've been living in a cage. | ||
| My favorite thing is when I'm out and about. | ||
| I live in a nice place in Washington. | ||
| And someone comes to me and goes, hey man, can I get a picture? | ||
| And I'll take a picture. | ||
| I'm like, sure, why not? | ||
| If they know who I am, I'll take a picture, right? | ||
| But then my favorite is when people are all looking around. | ||
| They're looking at this small 5'3 black guy in the middle of nowhere with two kids. | ||
| They're like, who the fuck is this guy? | ||
| And I'm like, oh my god, are you famous? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm famous. | ||
| She goes, oh my god, what do you do? | ||
| So I like to have a whole list of lies I like to do. | ||
| One of them is I'm a CEO of a pharmaceutical company. | ||
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And they're like, oh, what type of pharmaceuticals? | |
| I'm like, oh, male enhancement pills. | ||
| Just go on these lies. | ||
| Why do you do that? | ||
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Because it's fucking fun. | |
| That's why I do it. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| And then my favorite one was, we'll go to a wedding. | ||
| And we're at a wedding. | ||
| And some people recognize me, some people don't. | ||
| And they'll be like, oh my god, who is that? | ||
| And they'll be like, oh, you know, he's a famous person. | ||
| And they'll be like, oh, what are you doing? | ||
| I'm like, work for NASA. Just the most outlandish shit ever. | ||
| I worked for NASA and I just got back from the moon. | ||
| It's beautiful out there. | ||
| I didn't know we went to the moon. | ||
| I was like, absolutely. | ||
| There's a lot of shit out there. | ||
| Just go in these stories. | ||
| It's my acting career. | ||
| That's what I'm working on. | ||
| I just do that. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| But my kids are getting older, so they're starting to cockblock me. | ||
| They're like, no, no, no. | ||
| It's him. | ||
| It's Demetrius. | ||
| It's him. | ||
| I was like, damn, you can't do that. | ||
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Let me have my fun while it lasts. | |
| So yeah, that's where I get my rocks out. | ||
| That's where you get your jollies. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But, so, who is the trash talk to you the most before a fight? | ||
| I think the two people was probably Jon Dotson, the second fight, and Ray Borg. | ||
| I remember when I fight John Dotson, he said I was boring x, y & z. | ||
| And so, that fight I was like, all right I'm just gonna take it to you. | ||
| When he kicked me in the balls. | ||
| And like... | ||
| He kick me and I was like, "No, no, no no no, no no No break, you don't get no fucking break at all," And he was like, oh, okay, whatever. | ||
| Even though it hurt, but you got that steel cup on, so it takes some of that absorption. | ||
| But when he said to me, he was like, being bored, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna push the pace. | ||
| Like, I'm just gonna try to drown you, right? | ||
| Obviously, I'm gonna get the finish, but wasn't able to get it. | ||
| And then Ray Borg, he said, my wrestling wasn't good, right? | ||
| And so I made it a point that I'm gonna out-scramble you in that fight. | ||
| Like, every single scramble, I made sure I won that scramble, because he said, I can out-scramble you. | ||
| Bro, that finish was one of the wildest submissions I've ever seen. | ||
| Suplex to armbar in the air! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| In the air, you caught it. | ||
| And then when you told me that you practiced that, and that you hit that in practice, I mean, that is wild. | ||
| That's one of the wildest finishes I've ever seen. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, when it got dead to me first, Matt, he did it to me. | ||
| And he caught me, and I was like, what the fuck was that? | ||
| He goes, well, you're getting so good now. | ||
| I can't just do a basic arm bar. | ||
| Like, I have to... | ||
| I have to experiment, essentially. | ||
| And so when he did it to me, I was like, okay, you have to teach it to me. | ||
| So I would do it, and I'd do it. | ||
| And he says, you know what your biggest weakness is, Deej? | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| He goes, you think. | ||
| Stop thinking and just do. | ||
| And then when I was in the fight- That's some Bruce Lee shit right there. | ||
| Yeah, it is, right? | ||
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Here it is. | |
| Let's take a look at it. | ||
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Boom! | |
| That was so wild, man. | ||
| That was so wild. | ||
| Yeah, it's funny because he said, stop thinking, just do. | ||
| Just let your body do what it knows what to do. | ||
| And we just learned how to... | ||
| Matt was teaching... | ||
| Matt teaches in concept, which I love. | ||
| And he said that... | ||
| If somebody's holding on their weight, if somebody's trying to be extremely heavy, it's going to be a lot harder to move somebody, right? | ||
| But if you can get them to move their weight or shift their weight a certain way, then they're lighter. | ||
| I was like, that's where he was teaching at that time. | ||
| So in that fight, I had Ray Borg's back. | ||
| And he's being heavy. | ||
| He's trying to, like, he knows I'm going to try to get a takedown. | ||
| He's trying to be heavy. | ||
| So I said, okay, he's, in my mind, I was like, okay, he's heavy right now. | ||
| I was like, okay, I have to make him shift his weight. | ||
| I don't want to shift his weight. | ||
| He needs to shift the weight. | ||
| So I kept kneeing him and kneeing him and kneeing him. | ||
| And then once he went, like, bop, I was like, perfect, you just shifted your weight. | ||
| Go back, Jamie, if you get to, yeah, that's sex stuff. | ||
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Don't worry. | |
| Okay. | ||
| At the beginning, he kind of elbows me in the back of the face. | ||
| And once he elbowed me, he basically gave me his weight. | ||
| And once he did that, I was like, perfect, thank you. | ||
| And it threw him up and got him. | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah, but that finish and my last Adriano finish was probably like, if I can have it on my, not on my wall, but if someone was like, hey, what are your best finishes? | ||
| I'll say those two because I think that's the pinnacle of technique coming in real time. | ||
| Well, the Adriano, too, one of the beautiful things was you got him with the exact same thing he got you with. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But in a different way. | ||
| A different way. | ||
| 1000%. | ||
| And I think the distance control, following him, and then knowing the cage is coming, and then just giving everything I hadn't into it, was probably like, that's like... | ||
| Doesn't get any better than that. | ||
| It's picture perfect. | ||
| If you look at the slow-mo, you see I'm in southpaw position. | ||
| I'm on the outside of the leg, lining up my left knee in milliseconds. | ||
| You're playing with windows of opportunity that are open and closing like that. | ||
| And then the Ray Borg when it's like, I'm throwing him up and then I have to make sure when he loses his balance, I have to catch it and land and throw. | ||
| I like working with the windows of opportunity. | ||
| Those two are my favorite because it's like When you break down the technique of it, it's like... | ||
| Find the Adriano one, because the Adriano finish in the last one was so beautiful, what you're saying. | ||
| Like, where you're like, na-na, na-na, bam, right there. | ||
| Yeah, you can see it. | ||
| And it's funny, people are like, man, where'd you learn? | ||
| And I was like, Matt, he's done it to me my whole career. | ||
| Not blasting me in the face, but understanding, like, lighting up your knee, here comes the cage, or here comes the ring, and then throwing, and he's... | ||
| Done it to me. | ||
| I've seen him do it to Rich. | ||
| I've seen him do it to Jens Pulver. | ||
| Spencer Fisher. | ||
| I've seen him do it to all those guys. | ||
| So being able to do it in real time at a world championship level, it was like perfect. | ||
| Yeah, the timing of it was fantastic. | ||
| The fact that Matt has been your coach and that you're one of the greatest of all time, it's kind of amazing that there's not more guys from him that are on that level. | ||
| It takes a special, I think, bond. | ||
| I think it takes a special athlete. | ||
| You know, obviously injuries play a factor in that. | ||
| Winning, competing, because you can teach. | ||
| You can teach. | ||
| Somebody. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| But to be able to do it under the light at the right time. | ||
| And it's not all the stuff that goes on in the gym. | ||
| It's all the stuff that goes on at home as well, right? | ||
| Like, gotta live a healthy lifestyle. | ||
| Gotta have, you know, at home life's gotta be amazing too. | ||
| All that stuff comes in. | ||
| Yeah, otherwise it fucks with your head, right? | ||
| It does, right? | ||
| I truly believe it does. | ||
| I think so too. | ||
| So it's, yes, it's, you know, some of the stuff you do in the gym, but it's also a lot of stuff you do at the house. | ||
| And this is when... | ||
| Yeah, look at this. | ||
| Timing. | ||
| Bang! | ||
| Oh my God, it's beautiful. | ||
| And the walk-off. | ||
| Yeah, Olivia Costa said, I'm so glad that the fight ended there because I didn't want to have to pull you back to go fight more. | ||
| And I was like, if you did, I would have came back and I would have finished it. | ||
| I would have came back like, all right, let's keep going. | ||
| How did you know that he was completely done when you walked off? | ||
| I mean, it's a perfect knee, but watching this lands... | ||
| We gotta stall on the internet here. | ||
| Yeah, it's fine. | ||
| So, boom! | ||
| It goes down, and you just knew. | ||
| You didn't even follow up. | ||
| I threw everything I had in that knee. | ||
| Like, I threw everything I had in it, and I knew that it was... | ||
| And if it wasn't, if he got back up, he got up, he goes... | ||
| Like, even that fight, like, there's the part where I shot, and then he defends his takedown because he's so fucking long. | ||
| And he starts neeming the head, right? | ||
| And I'm like, oh shit, like, oh shit, oh shit in my mind. | ||
| And then when he's switching over to the Darce, I said, I'm not fucking done yet. | ||
| And I got up and then I kept on fighting. | ||
| So if he was to say the same thing, got up and goes, I'm not done yet. | ||
| I'm like, perfect. | ||
| I still got more energy to give you, so. | ||
| That right hand was so perfect, too. | ||
| The timing of that. | ||
| And that knee on the fucking cheekbone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| It was a beautiful fight. | ||
| And how satisfying was that for you to come back from the first fight that you guys had? | ||
| It was good. | ||
| It was good, but... | ||
| That guy's facing the right. | ||
| I think it's the matchmaker, Rick. | ||
| He's hilarious. | ||
| For me... | ||
| After the after the first fight I had with him I went through like I think 2019 I think it was 2019 2020 was a huge like shift in My life, you know that affected me differently and my mindset and so when I lost that first fight to him, I was so Wasn't mad about losing. | ||
| I was mad about I put so much pressure on myself about being perfect and And it just drove me insane. | ||
| Like, everything I want to do is perfect. | ||
| I still had that in me, but... | ||
| In what way? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Like, I felt like... | ||
| I remember being in a hotel room, and we watched the fight, and then I felt like it was just after... | ||
| So, my sister passed during... | ||
| I was getting ready for a fight. | ||
| This is where it kind of stemmed from. | ||
| So I was getting ready for a fight. | ||
| My sister, she died. | ||
| And then seeing her pass. | ||
| And then seeing basically the end game of life. | ||
| Like being here and seeing her just like, she's there. | ||
| And then seeing her go through the trauma. | ||
| And then her being gone. | ||
| And then seeing the traumatic, how it affected my mom. | ||
| And after, you know, I remember when everything happened. | ||
| I was in the hospital and I was like, You guys need help clean up all this blood? | ||
| Cause I can, I can, I can help. | ||
| And she goes, honey, that's okay. | ||
| Just, just go home. | ||
| I was like, all right, mom, I love you. | ||
| Let me know if you need me. | ||
| I go home, started balling. | ||
| My wife's there. | ||
| I mean, that was a huge, uh, movement in my life where I was like, that's fucking end game. | ||
| Like, doesn't matter what you've done before that's, you can either go peaceful, you go, you know, traumatic. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So that happened. | ||
| And I was, and then it was pointing me. | ||
| I was like, damn, like I called Matt. | ||
| I was like, Hey, I'm not gonna be in, I was like, Hey, I'm not gonna be in training today. | ||
| I gotta go bury my sister, right? | ||
| And I took a step back and I was like, fuck man, I'm always training for a fight. | ||
| Always training for a fight. | ||
| And my sister just died and I can't go train because I gotta go bury her. | ||
| But there was like weird shit to my mind. | ||
| I was like, I'm always getting ready for a fight. | ||
| Always getting ready for a fight. | ||
| And then I went and fought, won the World Grand Prix. | ||
| Fast forward, getting ready to fight Adriano. | ||
| We go through COVID-19, right? | ||
| All the gyms are shut down. | ||
| Our gym kind of like, we got relocated. | ||
| So there's only three of us training. | ||
| And then I fight Adriano and I was, the game plan was there, but I just felt like I wasn't Matt even said, if I came back from the knockout, he was like, you know, when you left, I wasn't comfortable where you were at. | ||
| Like, when you left, I was like, you're just going to have to fight through this. | ||
| You're going to have to just get through it. | ||
| And then, sitting in the hotel room, and I was like, why am I putting this stress on myself? | ||
| Why? | ||
| For what? | ||
| And then, that was kind of like a snapping period. | ||
| Then when I fought Rob Tang, I was like, Everybody's so worried about winning and losing. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because you're going to die someday. | ||
| You're going to die someday. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So why the fuck are you worried about winning and losing? | ||
| Are you having fun? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, perfect. | ||
| Who cares if you're going to lose? | ||
| So I went there and fight him. | ||
| I was like, all right. | ||
| You know, I told Matt, I was like, I'm not going to fucking run. | ||
| I'm going to exchange. | ||
| I don't care if he has a hard chance. | ||
| I'm going to go out there and give him my best. | ||
| And then there's an ASAP Rocky said, when has it ever been cool to knock somebody down? | ||
| It's never been cool to knock somebody down. | ||
| Whoever made it cool to belittle somebody or whatever is not cool, right? | ||
| So that's always in the back of my head. | ||
| So when I fought Rotting, and then I felt that success, not success, but I felt like I won the fight, and everyone was like, oh, you did a good job. | ||
| I was like, thanks, man. | ||
| Appreciate it, you know? | ||
| Go back home, take care of the wife and kids. | ||
| And then when I fought Adrian on the second time, I was like, we can do the training camp. | ||
| It was probably the toughest training camp, but... | ||
| I started doing things different, right? | ||
| Like, before I'm like, I gotta be perfect. | ||
| I can't have any beer. | ||
| I can't go watch a concert. | ||
| I gotta be strict. | ||
| And I was like, I think the last sparring session after the Adrian fight, I was like, went to a concert, had two beers, had a fucking chicken sandwich. | ||
| And I'm like, I need to enjoy my life because eventually I'm going to die, right? | ||
| And I don't want to be in my deathbed. | ||
| I was like, man, I was so strict and all that stuff. | ||
| Like, I want to enjoy my life. | ||
| And so that right there, from that perspective, This traumatic thing in my life has just shifted my whole perspective. | ||
| On my birthday, August 13th, my wife was like, oh, we didn't get you any alcohol. | ||
| We just got all water. | ||
| And I was like, no, give me a fucking glass of champagne. | ||
| I'm 36 years old. | ||
| I've been doing this for fucking years. | ||
| If I train eight weeks and I can have one fucking beer and it's going to change my outcome of winning this fight, then I don't deserve to win the fight, I guess. | ||
| So it is what it is. | ||
| So I feel like that whole mindset has just made me a better athlete, better fighter. | ||
| Because it's released some pressure from you? | ||
| Pressure of being perfect. | ||
| And that's how it is. | ||
| I remember one day, I just grappled with that new wave. | ||
| And I was grappling with a kid who was 18 years old. | ||
| And he was fucking working me. | ||
| And someone who has an ego, we'd be like... | ||
| I'm the best fighter in the world. | ||
| That should never happen. | ||
| For me, I'm like, dude, you're fucking good. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| I'm so excited to see what you've been able to achieve. | ||
| And in nine years, you've been grappling under John Dennerhan. | ||
| I'm so happy for you. | ||
| I'm so proud of you. | ||
| I want to follow you. | ||
| I want to follow your career. | ||
| My whole mindset has just shifted. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| I know what it is. | ||
| It's that. | ||
| But for me, that's how I like to look at my fights now. | ||
| Randy Couture said that once to me. | ||
| He was talking about fighting and winning. | ||
| He's like, so many people put so much pressure on winning. | ||
| He goes, you do your best. | ||
| He goes, you're trying to win. | ||
| And if you lose the same people who love you, they're still going to love you. | ||
| You're still going to have your friends. | ||
| You're going to be okay. | ||
| Yeah, and that's like taking my game to a whole new level. | ||
| I truly believe that. | ||
| Believe that. | ||
| Just that mindset of just like, I don't give a fuck what happens. | ||
| They're like, who are you going to fight? | ||
| I'm like, I don't care. | ||
| It doesn't change my pay. | ||
| It doesn't change my outlook on life. | ||
| It doesn't change me from my endgame, which is financial freedom. | ||
| So I don't care who it is, when it is. | ||
| I just want to make sure that I never lose focus of my endgame. | ||
| And yeah, that's helped me a lot. | ||
| So when you went over to 1FC, how did they pay over there? | ||
| They pick good. | ||
| Is it comparable to the UFC? Is it better? | ||
| Everybody's contract's different. | ||
| Everybody's contract's different. | ||
| I'm happy. | ||
| I'm very happy what I'm getting, but everybody's totally different. | ||
| I don't like arguing. | ||
| I remember when I fought Chris Curioso, I made $150,000. | ||
| And then I would fight the next challenger, Kyojo Horiguchi, I would make less money. | ||
| And I'm like, how the fuck does this work? | ||
| Because you always get your show and your win. | ||
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| Your show to win, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| Your show might be $150K and your wins $50,000 bonus. | ||
| Typically it goes up by escalator of $3,000, $10,000, $15,000. | ||
| It all depends, right? | ||
| But then when I fought Chris Carrioso, I made, you know, let's say $150,000. | ||
| And then when I fought Kyojo or Gucci, I made less. | ||
| Even though the pay, it went up, I still made less money. | ||
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Why? | |
| Right? | ||
| I don't know why, right? | ||
| Because I didn't get pay-per-view points at the time, right? | ||
| And so I was like... | ||
| I remember talking to Sean, I was like, hey Sean, can I just fight that guy again? | ||
| Because I made more money to fight Chris Curry also than if I fought Kyoji or Gucci. | ||
| And he goes, no, no, you can't do that, da-da-da-da. | ||
| But did he say, I don't understand why you're making less when you're winning. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it was probably because pay-per-view points, bonus, I have no idea, right? | ||
| But I didn't get pay-per-view points. | ||
| So that's the biggest thing. | ||
| And then I remember when it came time for me to renegotiate my contract, after I beat Henry Seeler the first time, Like, I argued, and I, not argued, but I fought for pay-per-view points, right? | ||
| Because that's where you start making that next wealth, right? | ||
| Like, shit, Jon Jones hasn't fought, what, two, three years? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he's made all that money with pay-per-view points, so he has that opportunity to take two to three years off, right? | ||
| So, for me, I fought and fought and fought, and I was like, I want pay-per-view points. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Even though I don't draw, right? | ||
| I mean, hopefully one day I am a draw, but if I land on a Conor fight or... | ||
| I've always... | ||
| If I land on a Conor fight or a Jon Jones fight or whatever, that's going to bring in 875,000 pay-per-view buys. | ||
| If you make $350,000 and the pay-per-view structure is $0 to $200, $0, $2 to $4, $4 to $6, $1.50, $6 to $8, $2. | ||
| You add all that up, you're walking out with a $2 million paycheck, right? | ||
| So you do that. | ||
| If I were to have pay-per-view points... | ||
| On 11 consecutive title defense, you do the fucking math. | ||
| That'll be way well off. | ||
| Did you get it? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I got it on one fight. | ||
| It was when I fought Henry Sudo the second time. | ||
| But I felt like they gave that to me after I fought Ray Borg. | ||
| I was about to fight Ray Borg. | ||
| We were in... | ||
| I was in Montreal. | ||
| We were in Canada. | ||
| I was cutting weight. | ||
| They call and say, hey, stop cutting weight. | ||
| He's not going to make it. | ||
| I'm like, the fuck, man. | ||
| We're going to push the fight back to, oh, three weeks later, fighting in Vegas. | ||
| And after I beat him in Vegas, I was like, hey, we're going to give you pay-per-view points on your 11th on this one against him and that was it. | ||
| So I was always at a ceiling. | ||
| But I don't like that back and forth. | ||
| I don't like the tension. | ||
| I don't like the tension. | ||
| I don't like the negotiation. | ||
| It's like, hey, this is what I want. | ||
| This is what I think I'm worth. | ||
| How can we get here? | ||
| There was never any transparency. | ||
| Just chill and talk in a non-hostile environment. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| And how is the difference between the way they treat you at 1FC? It's great. | ||
| We talk. | ||
| For us to have that conversation about the Ra-Tang fight is how it should be. | ||
| It should be like a marriage. | ||
| It should be like, hey, we want you to fight Ra-Tang for the world title. | ||
| I'm like, you know what? | ||
| I appreciate that, but I think that's deserved for somebody else who has worked his whole life to get that opportunity. | ||
| Okay, well, what did you have in mind? | ||
| I was like, well, I would love to fight him. | ||
| Let's do Muay Thai. | ||
| I feel like that dialect should be going, but obviously we never got to that point when I was in the UFC. But is there like a more hostile relationship with the UFC when you were there versus 1,000%? | ||
| Oh, 1,000%. | ||
| Because remember, at the time, it's... | ||
| Did you see that the man who tried to race the UFC... The UFC tried to race... | ||
| Me? | ||
| They try to race you? | ||
| Patrick Gaby did it. | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| He did a huge piece on it. | ||
| And at the time when I was going through my title reign, they were talking about getting rid of the division, right? | ||
| So there's always tension because they're trying to get rid of the division. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So imagine that. | ||
| You're killing it. | ||
| You're fucking just destroying everybody in the division. | ||
| And next thing you know, the CEO or the boss who goes, I'm going to get rid of that fucking division because it's not bringing any money. | ||
| How do you think it's going to make you feel? | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that's where the tension starts to batter. | ||
| So how are you going to have a relationship with somebody who wants to get rid of your division when you're going out there trying to put on an exciting fight, right? | ||
| So that's where the tension, that's where the tension started from. | ||
| Was this, I'm trying to remember, is this before WME bought the UFC? Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is... | ||
| I totally forgot about all this until this guy did it. | ||
| And I sat there and watched it, and I'm like, holy shit, I forgot about that. | ||
| Like, I forgot about all the things that was set up public. | ||
| One thing that does really bother me is that they don't address you. | ||
| Like, when, you know, you talk about the elites of the elites and some of the greatest ever and, you know, show highlight reels. | ||
| It's like, how the fuck do you leave out Mighty Mouse? | ||
| Because for years I was saying, you're the best ever. | ||
| For years. | ||
| I was like, the expression of technique, if you just look at what he's able to do in there, who the fuck is better? | ||
| I know that the talent at 125, at least at the time that you were running shit, was not the same as the talent at 205 or 85 or 70. The talent was better because there's more people that size. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But the expression of technique, if that's what we're really concentrating on is excellence, Which is what I think we really should be thinking about. | ||
| How the fuck do you ignore that? | ||
| I think it's because I'm still active. | ||
| So what? | ||
| It doesn't hurt anybody. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm not a businessman, clearly. | ||
| I'm not either. | ||
| I am a little bit. | ||
| I totally agree with you. | ||
| I think it's because I'm still active. | ||
| So what? | ||
| Man, they're like, oh, you know, one of the greatest ever, Demetrius Johnson, you know, did all this stuff. | ||
| And they're like, damn, what happened to Demetrius Johnson? | ||
| Google, Demetrius Johnson, what are you doing? | ||
| Oh, he's finding one championship. | ||
| Oh, what's one championship? | ||
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Oh, what? | |
| Oh, oh. | ||
| Yeah, kickboxing, Muay Thai, submission. | ||
| Oh, I'm going to start watching this. | ||
| Financially, though, 1FC supposedly is struggling. | ||
| They're doing fine. | ||
| There was something recently they lost $100 million. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think I'm not a financial guru. | ||
| You're not? | ||
| Wait a minute, you're not a scientist or a financial guru? | ||
| No, when it comes to that, I think Chachri hit on it when he was on his last interview on Aaron Hawani. | ||
| He's like, when you're trying to expand, it's going to cost capital and you've got to raise revenue. | ||
| So when he explained it that way, it makes total sense. | ||
| I think Amazon, for the longest time, they didn't make any revenue. | ||
| They just put all the money they made back in and just put it back into the company to expand more and more and more, right? | ||
| Did you get to meet Jeff Bezos? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's not the CEO anymore. | ||
| He stepped down. | ||
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I know. | |
| Still, don't you want to meet him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to go to his Blue Origin, go into space. | ||
| Well, I always tell myself, like, we're Elon Musk when he's trying to... | ||
| I just think, like, Elon Musk, when he's talking about, like, colonizing Mars, and I think, like, if I didn't have any kids, and... | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| And I wasn't married, and I'm, like, 62, and I'm, like, fucking shredded, and I'm, like, I'll go to Mars, Elon, just... | ||
| Bro, that's six months in a spaceship. | ||
| You being a hyper... | ||
| Oh, oh, six months? | ||
| You being a what? | ||
| A hyper what? | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| You ever seen Aliens 2? | ||
| That shit ain't real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you have Elon Musk building shit, I'm sure it could be real. | ||
| You think you're going to go into suspended animation for six months? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| That's a science fiction movie. | ||
| Hypersleep. | ||
| Hypersleep. | ||
| Fuck out of here. | ||
| That ain't real. | ||
| You'll die. | ||
| Six months of your life of not existing. | ||
| I'm sure I can make it happen. | ||
| You gave me internet. | ||
| I mean, he's got Starlink up there. | ||
| You gave me internet. | ||
| I don't think you get Starlink when you're halfway to Mars. | ||
| I think it cuts out. | ||
| I think it's like when you're in a plane over the ocean and the Wi-Fi goes out. | ||
| You said, I think it cuts out when you're halfway to Mars. | ||
| Yeah, you're like, shit, I can't even check my Facebook. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like, oh, damn it. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| I like to live in my fantasy land, so I think it would be cool just to see what happens if we do colonize Mars and get up there. | ||
| I think it would be dope. | ||
| Well, it'd definitely be dope once it's already done and settled. | ||
| You just don't want to be an early adopter. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| At least I don't. | ||
| I mean, I know a lot of people do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are dying to go out there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I feel like those people are crazy. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Gotta be a pioneer. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think Jeff Bezos, that's how you're supposed to live when you're a billionaire. | ||
| You're supposed to get jacked, get a bombshell girlfriend, the baller yacht. | ||
| See, that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| You're spreading positivity, right? | ||
| Here's a man he's worked his whole life, and now he's been able to enjoy the fruits of his labor. | ||
| Somebody was talking shit about him being all jacked. | ||
| I'm like, who cares if he's jacked? | ||
| What do you want him to do? | ||
| Be fat like Bill Gates? | ||
| I want him to be jacked. | ||
| Yeah, what does he happen? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Balling out of control, son. | ||
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Balling out of control. | |
| He's like, hey, you want that? | ||
| How many people get to have $100 million? | ||
| Or $100 billion? | ||
| Very few. | ||
| I feel like when you got that, you're supposed to ball. | ||
| You're supposed to, yeah. | ||
| You have an obligation. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| To all of us watching, you should be out there balling. | ||
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To ball out. | |
| When he got that hot girlfriend, I'm like, fuck yeah, Jeff Bezos. | ||
| When he's on the yacht with his shirt off, looking like a fucking MMA fighter, I'm like, fuck yeah, Jeff Bezos. | ||
| Yeah, I love it. | ||
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Get some! | |
| Yeah, I remember you said that and I was like... | ||
| Look at Joe, spreading that positivity. | ||
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I love that. | |
| Listen, I'm all about people excelling. | ||
| I love watching people excel. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I don't like people falling down. | ||
| I mean, I like when douchebags get their comeuppance, but I really wish they would just learn and get better. | ||
| That's what ultimately I want. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I don't like when people fall apart. | ||
| Yeah, when people say, man, that guy sucks, I'm like, I don't think that's the correct word to use, that he sucks. | ||
| I think his skills are not there yet. | ||
| He can learn more, right? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because with my kids, they just started training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| And when they go out there, I see them get destroyed. | ||
| And I'm like, and they get upset. | ||
| I'm like, dude, it's okay. | ||
| It's part of the thing. | ||
| It's part of the thing. | ||
| And I said, you can always get better. | ||
| You don't suck. | ||
| You're just not knowledgeable yet in the sport or... | ||
| In the game. | ||
| The beautiful thing is you have all this room for growth. | ||
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| And then when you do get better, man. | ||
| I remember when I first started submitting people when I was a blue belt. | ||
| It was like the most magical feeling in the world. | ||
| It was like, oh my god, now I'm winning exchanges. | ||
| Whereas before, I was getting my ass handed to me every day. | ||
| Like, finally, I'm getting taps. | ||
| It was so exciting. | ||
| And you get to see, like, oh my god, I'm getting progress. | ||
| All that drilling is paying off. | ||
| Now I can hit those moves. | ||
| Now I see it. | ||
| That's one of the greatest things about being a new person at something and not having any skills that you have so much room for growth you can get better. | ||
| Yeah, I think seeing my children do it because For who I am and what I've done in mixed martial arts and athletics, like, I've never wanted to push my kids into doing any type of martial arts at all. | ||
| Like, I told my wife, like, I don't want them to do it, right? | ||
| But Tyron came home talking shit. | ||
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Right? | |
| He did. | ||
| He did. | ||
| So, he came home, and I was like, me and my wife, we have a strict bedtime. | ||
| It's like, hey, 7 o'clock, you're upstairs brushing your teeth. | ||
| 7.30, you're reading your book, and then 8 o'clock, it's lights out. | ||
| No ifs, ands, or buts. | ||
| That's what it is, right? | ||
| So, we're going on that schedule. | ||
| Tyron, he's on the top bunk. | ||
| He goes... | ||
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Y'all expect me to go to bed at this fucking time? | |
| How old is he? | ||
| Well, at the time, he's eight. | ||
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Eight years old, right? | |
| Eight years old. | ||
| And he's up to my chest, right? | ||
| And I've never laid a hand on my kids, right? | ||
| Me being raised, I've been whipped or whatever. | ||
| Like we all have in the 80s and 90s, right? | ||
| But for me, I have never laid a finger on my kids, right? | ||
| You can't. | ||
| Well, no, I can't. | ||
| But you really can't. | ||
| I really can't, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I've never, not even spanking, no spanking. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| We try to, me and my wife want to break the cycle of, like, talk. | ||
| Yeah, communicate. | ||
| Communicate, communicate. | ||
| Why are you upset? | ||
| Tell me why you're upset. | ||
| So how come we can figure this out, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he's up there, and he's just going hopped on the fucking can't spit. | ||
| And I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| Let me get this straight. | ||
| So you can't go to bed at 8 o'clock, and the reason why... | ||
| He goes, I got all this fucking energy. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| You expect me to just go to bed? | ||
| And I was like, you have all this energy to burn? | ||
| He goes, yeah. | ||
| And I was like, okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Next day, I was like, guess what, guys? | ||
| Signed you up for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| He goes, what is this? | ||
| I'm like, oh, it's grappling. | ||
| And then we found an amazing place. | ||
| Well, I train there. | ||
| Typically, I'm always training AMC because Matt's there. | ||
| But then that's an hour and 15 minutes from the house. | ||
| So it's very hard to make that drive all the time, especially with the kids in school. | ||
| I want to be part of their lives and cook them breakfast. | ||
| When they come home from school, I want to be there. | ||
| So the longest time what I would do between my training camps, I would not train at all. | ||
| Like I would just lift weights and stay fresh. | ||
| But then I saw a note to myself back in 2011 of me, a diary of me writing down my weight cuts. | ||
| And I was like, I weigh 142 pounds. | ||
| And it's 10 years later, I still weigh 142 pounds. | ||
| So all that weightlifting between there, I didn't gain any weight. | ||
| So I was like, huh, I need to find something else to do besides lift weights. | ||
| How can I better myself with my crap? | ||
| So then my old coach... | ||
| A friend, Steve Skitz, who was like, hey, you should come grapple. | ||
| Grapple at this place. | ||
| I was like, ah, I don't want to grapple. | ||
| There's nobody better than, you know, ain't nobody better than, you know, Matt out there, right? | ||
| So I went and I grappled. | ||
| His name is Professor Yan. | ||
| I grappled him. | ||
| It was a fucking murder. | ||
| He just destroyed me. | ||
| I said, what? | ||
| Pure jiu-jitsu, right? | ||
| I was like, what just happened? | ||
| And I was like, okay. | ||
| That was in no gi. | ||
| I was like, okay, I'm gonna put my gi on. | ||
| See what you got there. | ||
| It was even worse. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| So his gym is right down the street from my house. | ||
| So I was like, okay, perfect. | ||
| I train with him. | ||
| I trust him. | ||
| I trust his curriculum. | ||
| I trust how he teaches. | ||
| I threw Tyrant and Maverick in there. | ||
| And so now, to get back to the full context of this rant, is that to see my kids in that light flash in their head about doing technique, drilling, being accountable, showing up on time, doing all that stuff. | ||
| Them getting their first stripe, their second stripe, their third stripe. | ||
| They're about to compete on Sunday for their first ever jiu-jitsu tournament. | ||
| It's amazing to see. | ||
| It makes me excited for the end of my career. | ||
| Because I look forward to being with my children and helping them, guide them through life where it's like... | ||
| Everybody's like, man, what are you going to do when you retire? | ||
| I was like, hopefully whatever the fuck I want. | ||
| If I want to wake up and make my kids breakfast and send them off to school, go to the gym, lift some weights, come home, pick them up, like, hey, what'd y'all want to do? | ||
| And I think that's because me growing up, I didn't have a father figure. | ||
| I had multiple, but I didn't have somebody who was there all the time. | ||
| So, yeah, I agree. | ||
| When you're new at something and to see improvement is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's good for everybody. | ||
| And I think that's one of the things that fucks people up in life, is that they continue to do the same thing. | ||
| They don't do any new things. | ||
| And you don't develop new pathways of thinking. | ||
| And the beginner's mindset, it's a very important mindset. | ||
| Also the mindset of not having the ego and always be willing to learn and that's what that's what I think made me even what's been making me better because When I started I would never train outside of AMC never right eventually AMC and Chargers Combat Club we came together and our team so Give it the full spectrum. | ||
| So all my title defenses UFC, you know, all my fights in one championship, you know, I'm about to fight, you know, Ali Bogartinov, Sambo world champion, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| We need to bring in five Sambo world champions. | ||
| We need to do X, Y, and Z. You see those guys all week. | ||
| We're fighting, you know, I think Jon Jones, when he's fighting Alex Gustafsson, he brought in a boxing guy, right? | ||
| Just to give him that boxing. | ||
| I've never done it in my whole entire career. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Never believed in it. | ||
| Still don't believe in it, right? | ||
| So what we did now is that we merged together with Charlie's Combat Club and AMC. So now we have a bigger team. | ||
| And then I started training just pure jiu-jitsu, right? | ||
| Now I'm spending probably two to three days in a gi, an hour and a half, two hours in the morning before my next training session at night. | ||
| So, that's one of the things I've done, and that's been able to make me better, because it makes me think, right? | ||
| Like, somebody says, why are you in a gi? | ||
| You don't fight in a gi. | ||
| And I was like, I know, but I want to understand this game, and if I can understand what's holding me from passing his guard. | ||
| Like, I'll be trying to pass on his guard, and I was like, why the fuck am I past your guard yet? | ||
| Like, this is absolutely insane. | ||
| I should be past your guard. | ||
| And I'm like, you're holding me. | ||
| Why are you holding me? | ||
| How are you holding me? | ||
| It starts to stimulate my brain. | ||
| And so when I get in my gi and I take my gi off, whew! | ||
| I'm cutting through guard like butter, baby. | ||
| It's just different. | ||
| So when I fight Adriano, when I was on my back, I was like, I'm here all fucking day. | ||
| I'm not going to get tired. | ||
| I felt like in that fight, I dealt most of my damage from my back, from spending so much more time in my gi grappling, if that makes sense. | ||
| It does, in a way. | ||
| And it certainly makes you more defensively responsible. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Defensive and responsible, but now, as I sit back and watch that fight, the last fight with him, now I'm like, okay, so he was able to do this, X, Y, and Z. So I told myself, I was like, hi, bitch, I could probably submit it off my back. | ||
| I'm going to try. | ||
| So I've been working more in my gi off my back just to get better. | ||
| Because I feel like, you know, a lot of people lose fights when they're on their back. | ||
| But how can I be offensive off my back? | ||
| So, I mean, to have the mindset to be willing to change and do things different. | ||
| And, I mean, when I'm 16... | ||
| 18 years in my career and starting to do something totally different is kind of contributing to me getting better and having no ego. | ||
| Staying fresh. | ||
| Staying fresh. | ||
| Yep, 1,000%. | ||
| Keeping that beginner's mindset. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| And always improving even though you're, you know, an elite fighter for a long period of time. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's probably why you're still at the top of your game. | ||
| Yeah, but I can't fight forever, so I gotta, you know, figure things out. | ||
| How many more years do you think you have? | ||
| You said you're 36 now? | ||
| 36. So I get myself... | ||
| I throw myself four more fights. | ||
| Four more fights. | ||
| Four more fights, which would be two years, two fights a year, right? | ||
| But then as I get older, I find things pulling myself, pulling me away from that, right? | ||
| Like my children, my businesses, my wife. | ||
| I want to travel with her. | ||
| There's so many things I want to do. | ||
| I get myself former fights. | ||
| Sometimes I even look at it and I'm like, shit, it might be two. | ||
| Just because of my body. | ||
| It doesn't heal as fast. | ||
| It just doesn't. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I'm just trying to stay focused. | ||
| Do different things. | ||
| I always tell people... | ||
| It's important to focus on what makes most of your money, but you have to branch off to do different things. | ||
| I just started investing in tech. | ||
| I invested in my quantum mini square bars. | ||
| Those are good. | ||
| Tell people what it is again, because you talk like you fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You talk a million miles an hour. | ||
| I know, you're sitting here, you're just like... | ||
| They flow into each other. | ||
| No, no, no, I'm paying attention, but I don't know what the fuck you said the name of your bars are. | ||
| Neither does anybody else. | ||
| Quantum Energy Squares. | ||
| Quantum Energy Squares. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| We just launched in HEB, which is a big thing here in Austin. | ||
| That's one of the things I'm doing. | ||
| It's the first to market caffeinated bars and it's basically whole foods mixed with caffeine and it gives you that long lasting energy. | ||
| So typically in the morning when people have their coffee or have you get your energy consumption where it's caffeine, well mostly caffeine. | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| I ate one before this podcast. | ||
| They're very delicious. | ||
| Well, I gave some to my father-in-law when he goes hunting over in Idaho and Utah, and he'll eat them, and it gives him good energy. | ||
| Because you hunt, you know how fucking long you're out there for. | ||
| You're out there for a very, very long time. | ||
| It's a lot of energy burning, too. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And sometimes, I had one the other day in the morning, because Tanith, I call her Miss Hurd, because she's my four-year-old daughter. | ||
| Her sleep patterns are so horrible that it's not even funny. | ||
| I'm like, I don't understand what's going on. | ||
| So I would sleep. | ||
| I would put her to bed at 8. She wakes up at midnight. | ||
| Then put her back to bed. | ||
| She wakes up at 3 a.m. | ||
| And then I gotta go train. | ||
| I was like, I need something to give me a pick-me-up. | ||
| I hate coffee because I feel like it dehydrates me. | ||
| And so I'll take one of these bad boys, chop it up, put it in my oatmeal, throw some chocolate milk in there as well. | ||
| Mix that bad boy up. | ||
| Eat that. | ||
| Go to the gym. | ||
| Feel great, man. | ||
| So what is in it? | ||
| You said it has 100 milligrams of caffeine. | ||
| So the caffeine is equivalent to one cup of coffee, right? | ||
| So it has the whole foods in it. | ||
| It has pumpkin seeds, MCT oil, chia seeds. | ||
| We have multiple flavors, coconut flakes. | ||
| My favorite flavor is a dark chocolate pink Himalayan salt. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Is that a mix of those? | ||
| This is a variety pack. | ||
| So is the pink Himalayan salt one in there? | ||
| Yeah, I think you already ate that one already. | ||
| Is that what I ate? | ||
| That shit was good. | ||
| Oh, there's one more. | ||
| Yeah, so this one right here. | ||
| But just this side of life, starting businesses and aligning myself with businesses, the very first packaging we had on this, it was great, right? | ||
| But then to see when we changed the packaging, to see the difference of the sales, it was like night and day. | ||
| Just the way it looks? | ||
| Just the way it looks. | ||
| Just the way it looks, people know it's more of a lifestyle. | ||
| You don't have to eat this if you're a professional athlete or whatnot. | ||
| Just those things. | ||
| Another business I do is Zeekin, which is... | ||
| You probably know some stuff about this. | ||
| When you stream... | ||
| Not stream, but when you're on YouTube and you have your ads coming through, you don't get to dictate what ad comes on or whatnot, right? | ||
| You don't get to do that. | ||
| But with Zeekin, we want to give the power... | ||
| Back to the creator, right? | ||
| So a lot of stuff has been going on with Twitch, YouTube. | ||
| You have Mixer. | ||
| Jamie can talk about this a little more because he's in this room with me. | ||
| You have Facebook as well. | ||
| A lot of the content creators, when they make their content, they're only getting a certain amount of revenue split, whether it's 50-50, 70-30. | ||
| It's very unheard of. | ||
| You get 80-20, right? | ||
| So with Zeekin, we're trying to give the power back to the creator where Joe gets to choose what ads he wants to be ran on his content, right? | ||
| Because if you go on Twitch, it might be fucking Domino's Pizza and you have no say so what's on there, right? | ||
| So with Zeekin, we're trying to give that back to the concert creator. | ||
| So that's another thing that we're going to... | ||
| So what is it? | ||
| Is it a platform? | ||
| So it's a live broadcasting studio, right? | ||
| So that's like its basis right now, right? | ||
| Basis? | ||
| Well, it's basically what it is right now. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so how I use it or how it's being used is you go on a live stream. | ||
| I live stream. | ||
| I send you the link, right? | ||
| And when I send you the link, I'm doing a seminar on there, right? | ||
| And let's say you want to be able to ask me a question. | ||
| You raise your hand. | ||
| We're trying to fix this. | ||
| My job is to break this and make it more polished, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You raise your hand. | ||
| You raise your hand. | ||
| I bring you into the actual live stream itself. | ||
| So there are a couple things out there that are kind of like that, like StreamYard or whatever it may be, but that's taking a screen capture of your camera to where I'm actually bringing you into the live feed. | ||
| But is this a separate platform or are you using this like on Twitch? | ||
| No, this is a separate platform. | ||
| So it's a new platform. | ||
| It's a new platform. | ||
| New platform, right? | ||
| So a new streaming platform where you control the ads. | ||
| That's what we're getting to. | ||
| That's what you're trying to get. | ||
| That's what we're trying to get to. | ||
| The way I like to use it, when I got brought on, is I was sitting in the office in Seattle. | ||
| It's a startup company. | ||
| I'm sitting there and he's showing me all the stuff. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I know what this is. | ||
| He goes, you do? | ||
| And I was like, yeah, this is like OBS, XSplit. | ||
| And he goes, what do you mean? | ||
| And I was like, well, you have your canvas and you put overlays over it and then you stream it out to your customer. | ||
| And he goes, oh. | ||
| You want to be part of the company? | ||
| I would love to have your insight. | ||
| And I was like, absolutely. | ||
| Because it's something I do all the time when I'm streaming on Twitch, right? | ||
| But if I was to give you OBS... You know, you'd be like, what the hell am I doing with this, DJ? And I'm like, we'll build something. | ||
| With this, we're trying to make it friendly user to where if you give it to somebody, they're able to like, okay, I'm dragging this here, this here. | ||
| And you'll be surprised how people are like, this is too sophisticated. | ||
| I'm like, it's pretty easy. | ||
| So here's right here. | ||
| Drop in the product and it gives you all the... | ||
| The formation selling But also like when someone is on the stream like if you're wearing a shirt on the stream someone could click on your shirt Yep and sell the shirt. | ||
| Yeah, and the biggest thing is like when I use it I use it for my podcast when we're doing it and Like I said my job is to break it so I had like eight I think seven people All at once just chatting, right? | ||
| See if the audio is good. | ||
| No drops. | ||
| If it's all just going good. | ||
| Nobody's dropping. | ||
| No frames are dropping. | ||
| And there was a gentleman who was, I sent him the link, and he was like, we're all chatting. | ||
| And he goes, hey, I have a question. | ||
| I was like, what's up? | ||
| And he goes, I'm having a hard time boxing. | ||
| Like, with my one-two combination. | ||
| I'm like, okay, go on. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| And he started breaking down. | ||
| And he goes, I feel like when I throw my one-two, I'm overextending. | ||
| And I said, okay, well, let's pull up a video. | ||
| So I'm able to pull up a video, and eight of us are allowed to watch it together, and I can break it down live with him. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, so you see how this gentleman's going one, two, and he's not really overcommitting with the two. | ||
| He's just going pop-pop, pop-pop. | ||
| And he goes, oh, yeah, I see that. | ||
| I'm able to break that down in live time with that gentleman. | ||
| So that's one of the cool things about the program as well. | ||
| So it's interactive. | ||
| It's very interactive. | ||
| Very interactive. | ||
| Is that scalable? | ||
| Like, what if you've got a thousand people in a room with you? | ||
| Well, I mean, we'd fucking try, but it's, like I said, we're trying to work to that point, right? | ||
| So, right now, we're slowly getting more things. | ||
| We have a new update coming out in November, where you can actually start having certain scenes and size certain things down. | ||
| So, I'm just trying to stimulate my brain out of mixed martial arts, right? | ||
| Because I can't fight forever. | ||
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Right. | |
| So right now, I find in August, so from August till maybe first quarter of 2023, I need to fill my time up with stuff besides my wife and the children. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is the stuff like- To try to create businesses. | ||
| Try to create businesses, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| Because you realize that this is the home stretch. | ||
| This is the home stretch. | ||
| I know it is. | ||
| Like, I'm not afraid of it. | ||
| I'm not afraid of it. | ||
| I'm smiling at it because at some point you have to stop. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| I feel like you just have to as an athlete. | ||
| Because if my body recovered like it was when I was 26, then yeah, I can see myself growing for another 10 to 15 years. | ||
| But shit, my shin still hurts from kicking Adrian in August. | ||
| Does it really? | ||
| Well, I was grappling yesterday and somebody was on my shin. | ||
| I was like, fuck, that still hurts. | ||
| I'm like, why is that still hurting? | ||
| I got x-rays. | ||
| I got, what's it called? | ||
| MRI. MRI. Not MRI. Ultrasound. | ||
| Ultrasound. | ||
| Because when I fought Henry, I got a blood clot in my right leg, and I didn't know why. | ||
| Well, I know why, but I was like, my right leg hurts. | ||
| Why does it still hurt? | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Next thing you know, I tried CBD oil, rubbing it on air, still hurting. | ||
| Waking up in sweats. | ||
| Go to the doctor. | ||
| I actually talked to the... | ||
| What's her name? | ||
| Heather, who is... | ||
| She's the UFC's... | ||
| She does all the therapy, physical therapist. | ||
| And she goes, I think you might have a blood clot. | ||
| And I was like, okay. | ||
| I go to the doctor and I was like, hey dude, I need an ultrasound on my right leg. | ||
| He goes, why? | ||
| He goes, I think I got a blood clot. | ||
| He goes, look at you. | ||
| You're a fucking specimen. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Okay, whatever. | ||
| I left. | ||
| That's a ridiculous thing for doctors. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| That's what he said though. | ||
| Then I called him back and I was like, hey dude, I'm still in pain. | ||
| Give me the ultrasound. | ||
| I'll give you cash. | ||
| Just give me the ultrasound. | ||
| Did the ultrasound. | ||
| I left. | ||
| He called me back ASAP. He goes, dude, you need to get in here right now. | ||
| I was like, what's up? | ||
| He goes, that is the biggest blood clot I've ever seen. | ||
| Get in here now. | ||
| Then I was on... | ||
| What was the medication I was on? | ||
| Zerato. | ||
| I was on Zerato for three months straight, and he goes, do not get cut, do not get any internal bleeding because I cannot reverse this. | ||
| My father-in-law, he's on Coumadin, I believe it is, which that one's reversible because he has a heart defect where his blood needs to be thin. | ||
| So the blood clot was from an impact? | ||
| It's from me just kicking the shit out of him in that fight. | ||
| Over and over and over and over. | ||
| And he goes, he said it was from the trauma. | ||
| And I was like, really? | ||
| Then one doctor says, oh, it's because you're dehydrated. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| So every single time after my fights, like when I have my shins be bruised for that long, for two to three weeks, I'm like, I'm going to get an ultrasound. | ||
| He goes, it doesn't hurt to get it just because you're susceptible to them because you've had them before in the past. | ||
| So, but yeah. | ||
| Was that the only time you'd ever have a blood clot was from that? | ||
| From that, yeah. | ||
| It was the only time. | ||
| And it's just from the trauma of kicking. | ||
| Just from the trauma of kicking. | ||
| Shin to shin. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But imagine that, like, you had that and it's like, I can't do this forever. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Right? | ||
| And so that's why I have to think outside the box. | ||
| What do you do for recovery? | ||
| Are you doing ice baths, sauna? | ||
| Are you doing... | ||
| So when I was fighting Ra-Tang, I was doing ice baths. | ||
| I was doing that. | ||
| And then I would do the hot tub. | ||
| But then it got super cold in my fucking... | ||
| Ice bath froze, so I couldn't use it anymore because we live in Washington, so it just gets below 40 degrees. | ||
| So it was just a brick of ice. | ||
| So now, honestly, the only thing I do for recovery is just chill, hang out with the wife. | ||
| So it became a solid piece of ice? | ||
| One big solid ice, like an ice skating rink. | ||
| But you need to get one that doesn't get that cold. | ||
| I know, I know, I know. | ||
| I'm working on it. | ||
| What kind of an ice bath was it? | ||
| It was a trowel. | ||
| It was a horse trowel. | ||
| Oh, so it was just like some primitive thing. | ||
| Just primitive. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Just fill it up with water and then climb in there. | ||
| Climb in there. | ||
| It got to like, I think the lowest we got it was like 47 degrees. | ||
| But that shouldn't freeze. | ||
| No, that's the lowest we got it. | ||
| But that was at a certain point in time in the wintertime. | ||
| Then it got lower. | ||
| The temperatures dropped even more. | ||
| Like this is probably the most like barbaric thing. | ||
| Not barbaric, but it's like I put water in it and we get freezing temperatures in Washington State. | ||
| So it just stays cold. | ||
| So it stays cold. | ||
| So it actually got a big, solid block of ice. | ||
| You're an elite professional athlete. | ||
| You need to get yourself a real cold plunge. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I'm sure someone will send you one. | ||
| I just bought a sauna from Costco, though, so we're going to build my home. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm making the right steps, right steps to get there. | ||
| Have you put that together yet? | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Sauna's huge. | ||
| Yeah, I just saw yours, and we got the ice barrel, but... | ||
| The barrel sauna? | ||
| Yeah, we have a Saluce. | ||
| It's a Saluce sauna. | ||
| I love it, man. | ||
| The one that we have here at the studio, best sauna I've ever had. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's perfect size. | ||
| I noticed a difference when I was in the ice bath. | ||
| Because, not ice bath, but the ice plunge. | ||
| Because when I was sparring, the Muay Thai sparring was like, Matt was on me like white on rice. | ||
| Like in my face, flowing. | ||
| And this is why my mindset had to change. | ||
| Because when you're getting ready to do a Muay Thai fight with Ron Tang, The amount of kicking I was doing and the amount of injuries I had. | ||
| I remember I pulled my groin and then I was kicking. | ||
| I remember I kicked James and I jumped off him and I planted and I started stumbling. | ||
| Matt goes, whoa, what the fuck is that? | ||
| I was like, uh, my foot. | ||
| And he goes, what's wrong? | ||
| I was like... | ||
| I can't walk. | ||
| Well, I couldn't walk. | ||
| I can't plant to throw. | ||
| He goes, what happened? | ||
| I was like, well, I'm fucking kicking all day and kicking elbows, kicking knees. | ||
| So what do you want me to do? | ||
| Stop? | ||
| And he was like, no, we got to rest. | ||
| We got to find other ways to train around that. | ||
| But all the sparring I would do, so my routine would be Monday would be pads, conditioning. | ||
| Tuesday would be sparring, hard sparring at night. | ||
| And then Wednesday would be hard grappling. | ||
| And then Wednesday night would be off. | ||
| So after the hard Wednesday grappling, come home, jump in the cold plunge. | ||
| I'll do 10 minutes in the cold plunge. | ||
| 10 minutes, really? | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Dude, I've done 47 minutes in... | ||
| What? | ||
| 47 minutes? | ||
| Oh, excuse me, that's 47! | ||
| 47 degrees. | ||
| That's the lowest I've got. | ||
| So I've done in 47 degrees, I've done 10 minutes, 10 minutes in there, 10 minutes in a hot tub, 10 minutes in there, and I love it. | ||
| I noticed a huge difference. | ||
| So me and the wife are trying to get the sauna set up first. | ||
| Then we'll look for the next step to keep... | ||
| I saw GSP has the ice barrel. | ||
| And I know ice barrel doesn't offer the temperature. | ||
| But I saw his had a temperature where he can regulate the temperature in his. | ||
| I don't know about that one. | ||
| What does he have? | ||
| It was on his Instagram. | ||
| I saw it and I was like, I wonder if his is... | ||
| Has some sort of a cooling element? | ||
| Yes, he wasn't advertising it. | ||
| It was like something like I'm going through and I follow him and I saw it and I was like, what's that thing right here? | ||
| I screenshot it and I was like, what is that? | ||
| And I tried to zoom in on it, but I didn't know what it was. | ||
| And I went to their website and I was like, I don't see that. | ||
| So we're trying to find a solution for the cold plunge. | ||
| What's going to be the easiest non-maintenance thing that I can use in order to have that cold go back and forth? | ||
| Well, you have a good social media platform. | ||
| I'm sure someone will want to give you one after listening to this. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Not that one. | ||
| So that's him pouring ice in there. | ||
| Yeah, not that one. | ||
| It's a different one. | ||
| He actually had it on... | ||
| Just go to his actual Instagram and see. | ||
| He was talking. | ||
| He goes, you guys, if you want to... | ||
| I think it was challenges or whatever. | ||
| I think it was his morning routine. | ||
| It was just him jumping in real quick and on the very far right... | ||
| That's not GSP. That poor girl probably gets attacked constantly. | ||
| Oh, that's awesome. | ||
| Like, who are you? | ||
| She's only got 630. There it is, George St. Pierre. | ||
| So scroll down a little bit. | ||
| Right, I think it's that one right there. | ||
| Right there, the middle one. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| You see that thing in the bottom to the bottom here, right? | ||
| It seems like the same one. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, look at that right there. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
|
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Look at that. | |
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| You ain't fooling nobody. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| See that right there? | ||
| I saw that and I was like, they don't offer that on their website, but what is that? | ||
| Because that looks very... | ||
| It says, big project in the work. | ||
| So maybe it's that. | ||
| Maybe it's that. | ||
| You got me! | ||
| You got me, GSP! So I'm trying to look at the most very convenient way to do it. | ||
| Like Dasana, my buddy has one. | ||
| He says, dude, all I have to do is stay in it twice a year, and that's it. | ||
| Set it and leave it. | ||
| The sauna you mean? | ||
| The sauna that he has. | ||
| And he's had it for a year and I'm like, perfect. | ||
| I'll buy it. | ||
|
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It's easy. | |
| We've had this sauna for a long time and I've got one at home, same company. | ||
| So what's your maintenance? | ||
| Sauna? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| Turn it on. | ||
| But I know with the hot tub I had, It was like, you gotta check the chemicals, you gotta check all that stuff. | ||
| A hot tub's not as good. | ||
| The reason why a hot tub's not as good is because it can't get as hot because it'll cook. | ||
| You can cook in dry air in the sauna, you can get really hot, and that's when your body produces the heat shock proteins. | ||
| But with the maintenance of the sauna, not worry about how hot it gets, just the maintenance. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| It just doesn't break. | ||
| No, excuse me, the hot tub. | ||
| The maintenance of a hot tub of checking the water, it needs more pH level. | ||
|
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It's like a pool. | |
| Exactly, where it's like, I don't have the time. | ||
| A sauna's good for you either. | ||
| I mean, a hot tub's great for you, don't get me wrong, but you don't get the same reaction that you get from a sauna. | ||
| A sauna's the way to go. | ||
| That motherfucker gets hot. | ||
| So we're doing Asana, but like with the cold plunge, right? | ||
| Like I looked at the cold plunge that, so the iceberg, we looked at that. | ||
| It's easy to drain. | ||
| Flip the knob. | ||
| It comes out. | ||
| Fill it up. | ||
| Puts your ice in it. | ||
| It's good, right? | ||
| Then we looked at the ice bath. | ||
| It's like the ice plunge. | ||
| You sit in it, but you have a filter. | ||
| You got to have this and that. | ||
| And I'm like, that's too much maintenance for me. | ||
| Like, I don't Yeah, but they don't require that much maintenance. | ||
| It's not that big a deal. | ||
| I've only had one issue with either one of them. | ||
| I have at home, I have a Morosco. | ||
| Morosco cold punch, which is amazing. | ||
| And then here we have a blue cube, which is also amazing. | ||
| And there's no maintenance. | ||
| We've had one problem with this one where there's something wrong with the motor, but they came and fixed it really quickly. | ||
| Not problem, it's just maintenance. | ||
| No, maintenance is nothing. | ||
|
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Oh, okay. | |
| It's nothing. | ||
| I'm a lazy person, okay? | ||
| I'm not going to lie to you. | ||
| You're not lazy. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
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You clearly don't know any really lazy person. | |
| I'd like to introduce you to some of my friends. | ||
| Some real lazy people. | ||
| You'll feel real good about yourself. | ||
| I just want easy maintenance. | ||
| If I forget to do something for two months, I don't want to come back to see all this algae growing. | ||
| I don't fuck with mine. | ||
| I maintain mine at home. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| You're also a very busy person. | ||
| You're very... | ||
| I stay on top of shit. | ||
| Yeah, you stay on top of shit. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| But it's not that hard to do, man. | ||
| I'm climbing that motherfucker every day. | ||
| It's no maintenance. | ||
| There's a little thing that I have to clean every now and then that's a filter. | ||
| It takes me a minute. | ||
| See, that's not bad. | ||
| I pop it off, I hose it off with a garden hose, and then I put it back in there, and then I climb in. | ||
| There's ice floating in it. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| So I'm hoping we can solve that problem when time comes. | ||
| My wife's like, let's get the sauna going, because she'll use She loves Asana. | ||
| The two of them together is the most amazing combination. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And after I'm done competing full-time, you know, the businesses are going, I'll still see them go. | ||
| I'm still going to try to compete in something, right? | ||
| You think you'll do grappling competitions? | ||
| It'll be grappling. | ||
| It was going to be motocross, right? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
|
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I know. | |
| Don't die. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Well, so my son, he loves motocross, like my oldest, right? | ||
| And I bought him a bike. | ||
| And next thing you know, I'm like, man, this looks like a lot of fun. | ||
| I want to try it, right? | ||
| So I bought myself a bike. | ||
| And I had like, you know, 150cc, a Honda. | ||
| And I'm sitting there and everyone's like, you know, it's a little kid bike. | ||
| And I was like, I'm built like a little kid. | ||
| I'm 142 pounds, 5'3". | ||
| Your son's bigger than me, and he's fucking 12, okay? | ||
| So I'm in the kick category. | ||
| But he was like, no, dude, you need a legit 250 FC. And I'm like, okay, fine. | ||
| So I got a 250 Husqvarna, and I'm fucking going off jumps. | ||
| Not very fast, but I'm not going fast, but I'm going off whipping. | ||
| And we went to Disneyland. | ||
| I see all these people in wheelchairs. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Yeah, I need to stop riding dirt bikes. | ||
| I think I'm going to give it up. | ||
| But motocross was going to be my theme. | ||
| I was going to fuel my desire to compete. | ||
| But then after I found jiu-jitsu, the place I train at now, I'm like, okay, I'm going to try to compete in IBJJF. I asked one, I was like, hey guys, can I compete at IBJJF this year? | ||
| They're like, no. | ||
| Yeah, what did you tear your ACL? That's what he said. | ||
| And now I was like... | ||
| Does IBJJF, do they do heel hooks and knee reaps and stuff like that? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But it would have been in Nagui. | ||
| And I'm on the Abram belt. | ||
| And everybody was like, you're going to get destroyed. | ||
| I was like, I don't care. | ||
| At least I tried. | ||
| And see what it's like, you know? | ||
| Yeah, you will for a little. | ||
| And then you'll become a lead at that. | ||
| I hope. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I hope. | ||
| You're a fucking champion, bro. | ||
| You got a champion's mind. | ||
| You're not going to suck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, so far it's been going good. | ||
| I mean, the place I train at, the vibe is good. | ||
| The professor's energy is amazing. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| That's everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's everything. | ||
| You're so fortunate. | ||
| To have a good place. | ||
| You know, we're very fortunate here in Austin because we have Tenth Planet. | ||
| It's right down the street. | ||
| There's a little bit from here. | ||
| And then John Donaher, very close. | ||
| And I mean, there's fucking Shanji Hiberos here. | ||
| You know, there's Gracie Baja. | ||
| There's like so many gyms here. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's an incredible place. | ||
| I got to train with John. | ||
| I took one of his classes and... | ||
| He's a goddamn wizard. | ||
| I was impressed. | ||
| I was, you know, I'm healing. | ||
| I got an MCL tear that I'm healing. | ||
| And I was here yesterday with Maynard from Tool. | ||
| And Maynard had John Donaher on the mats coaching him. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| Like watching John go over details. | ||
| I was like, God damn. | ||
| I like his energy, how it's just like, good job, Demetrius. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
|
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Good job, Juan. | |
| Good job, Gordon. | ||
| It's just that chill, consistent, you know, just relaxed vibes. | ||
| He's so obsessed with people getting better. | ||
| I mean, that is all the guy does. | ||
| You talk to Gordon about it, that is all the guy does. | ||
| He trains people all day long, and then he watches tape. | ||
| That's all the guy does. | ||
| The guy has zero life. | ||
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He doesn't even have fucking furniture in his apartment. | |
| I heard about that. | ||
| I was like, you guys are fucking lying, right? | ||
| He goes, no. | ||
| He has no furniture. | ||
| I think somebody forced him to buy furniture and a TV. I've never seen him out of a rash guard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you go to dinner with him, he wears a rash guard. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| He's like, you never know. | ||
| Shit might pop off right here and I'm ready to go. | ||
| He just doesn't feel the need to wear anything else. | ||
| It's acceptable clothing. | ||
| He gives zero fucks about what he looks like. | ||
| He gives zero fucks. | ||
| He wears a fanny pack everywhere. | ||
| Hey, good for him. | ||
| He doesn't give a He's living his best life, baby. | ||
| He's a master. | ||
| He is so unusual. | ||
| To try to find another one of those. | ||
| You could find someone who's faking it, but they'll have ego, they'll have this, they'll have problems. | ||
| He is such a treasure. | ||
| It takes a special person to dedicate your life to teaching people. | ||
| Have you ever listened to him talk like on John Donaher was on Lex Friedman's podcast? | ||
| I've heard him on here. | ||
| I've heard him on this podcast before. | ||
| I met him in Japan when he was getting ready to help Gary Tonin fight. | ||
| But same consistent vibes. | ||
| I like it because He's so knowledgeable, and he's just like... | ||
| And taking his class, it's very fast-paced. | ||
| He's like, okay, guys, what do I do? | ||
| Come right here. | ||
| You're going to flip him up like this. | ||
| Get him down like that. | ||
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Boom. | |
| Okay, once again. | ||
| Do it again. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right, guys, go. | ||
| And Yu's just like, all right, let's try it, guys. | ||
| One, two, three. | ||
| There's like a rhythm. | ||
| At the beginning, I was like... | ||
| And everyone was like... | ||
| Like, no one whatsoever. | ||
| I'm like, fuck it. | ||
| Nobody's on the vibe. | ||
| I'm just going to do my own thing and do the class. | ||
| But absolutely amazing. | ||
| No, he's a genuinely unusual human being. | ||
| And it's like, you hear about people like that in movies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That are like so singularly focused and dedicated. | ||
| But it's rare to actually come across one in real life. | ||
| And it translates to his athletes. | ||
| Like, Gordon trains seven days a week. | ||
| I heard. | ||
| So... | ||
| 365 days a year. | ||
| Fuck you, Christmas. | ||
| Fuck you, New Year's. | ||
| Fuck your birthday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you're training. | ||
| When I asked him, and I said, you know, because one of the coaches at Grapple Club asked me, he goes, hey, can you pick their brain on, like, what, like, their training regimen is? | ||
| I was like, sure. | ||
| And I asked him, he says, they train, there's no days off. | ||
| They train three times a day. | ||
| Two-hour sessions. | ||
| And the third session is intensity. | ||
| So he's like, I believe in volume, right? | ||
| A lot of volume and then a little bit intensity. | ||
| For pure grappling, not mixed martial arts. | ||
| He goes, mixed martial arts, it's not feasible. | ||
| You can't even do that, right? | ||
| So I can kind of understand how they just grapple. | ||
| Seven days a week, no off days, intensity. | ||
| And I was like, okay, what about days off? | ||
| And he goes, no days off. | ||
| And he goes, if an athlete decides that he needs a day off, then I think that person should be mature enough to understand that he needs to take a day off. | ||
| I will never fight an athlete if they need a day off. | ||
| And I think that's very important as a coach and athlete understanding or bond that a coach, I need time off. | ||
| No, you don't! | ||
| Get your ass back on that mat! | ||
| But I'm sure if Gary was like, hey dude, I need time off, I need to take two days off, three days off, I'm sure John's like, you go ahead and do your thing, man. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| If you're dedicated enough that he understands who you are, that you're all in, and you're saying, hey man, something's up. | ||
| My body's falling apart here. | ||
| I need a little bit of a break. | ||
| He knows you're not fucking off. | ||
| You actually do need a break. | ||
| But that's the difference. | ||
| But he has zero patience for lazy people. | ||
| There's certain people that just like... | ||
| You know guys like that. | ||
| How many talented people have you met that could have been great, but they lack the discipline? | ||
| I've never met anybody who lacked the discipline. | ||
| I've met people who've lacked the... | ||
| What's the one I'm looking for? | ||
| Injury prone. | ||
| Consistency? | ||
| Oh, injury prone. | ||
| Injury prone, right? | ||
| I have never, out of all the people I've ever trained with, I've never met somebody who's been lazy. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I never have. | ||
| But there are people, like BJ Penn. | ||
| He was like super fucking talented, but it was hard for him to get training. | ||
| But then when he started training with Marv Marinovich, and they put him through those intensive strength and conditioning sessions. | ||
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He was like, fuck this! | |
| But also, that was when he was at the very best. | ||
| Like the Sean Shirk fight, the Diego Sanchez fight. | ||
| Like that was prime BJ pin. | ||
| Where he was just a fucking unstoppable force. | ||
| Yeah, I've never come across that. | ||
| It's usually injury prone. | ||
| Some of the things that I've seen, my buddy, the guy I fought in Muay Thai as an amateur, he broke my rib. | ||
| Scott, he was a fucking nasty, nasty athlete. | ||
| We would sprint together. | ||
| He's right next to me or ahead of me. | ||
| We'd grapple. | ||
| He's hanging with me grappling. | ||
| And we're amateur. | ||
| We weren't professional yet. | ||
| But he would always just injure himself. | ||
| And I don't forget, you know, we were training in the morning and we were training at night. | ||
| I'm next door playing video games and he's next door, I call him gangster rounds. | ||
| He's just going through everybody, just grappling, grappling. | ||
| Next thing you know, somebody comes next door and goes, DJ, you need to come next door. | ||
| I'm like, what's up? | ||
| He goes, it's Scott. | ||
| I come next door and I'm like, Scott, what's up? | ||
| He goes, he goes, pull this shirt down. | ||
| Fucking AC joint was like, bop! | ||
| I was hanging out. | ||
| He was going to fight. | ||
| I'm like, dude, you have to chill. | ||
| You will break your body. | ||
| You're not lazy. | ||
| But that's the biggest thing as an athlete. | ||
| We always worry that we're not going to be ready. | ||
| We're ready for the competition. | ||
| So we over-train. | ||
| He was one of those guys that he would have been Very, very special in mixed martial or whatever he did in athletics, but he was very injury prone. | ||
| How many more injuries did he have besides that? | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| He's broke his hand. | ||
| He injured his... | ||
| He got cauliflower ear and I made fun of him. | ||
| He got cauliflower ear and then he ended up getting surgery to fix his cauliflower ear. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| He came back He came back in the gym, bop, bop, blew back up. | ||
| He was like, I got fucking surgery and it blew back up. | ||
| I was like, I told you it's going to blow back up. | ||
| Well, you can't. | ||
| You're not supposed to train for a while after you get that. | ||
| And you should wear ear guards. | ||
| Well, he didn't. | ||
| And it blew back up. | ||
| I wore ear guards the entire time I trained jujitsu. | ||
| That's why I don't have any. | ||
| I have little tiny pieces of cauliflower, little parts of my ear, but my ears are normal because they're supposed to be normal. | ||
| Like, this is what I say to people, and I know you're a fighter, but this is what I say to people that, like, love the look. | ||
| I go, take your ear and go like that and pinch it down and listen to things. | ||
| And talk, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. | ||
| Now let it go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, oh, it sounds better, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, do you want the whole world to be like this from now on? | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, Joe, I am tone deaf. | ||
| I can't fucking sing, and that might be the reason why, because my cough my ears, but I don't think the words like blah blah blah blah. | ||
| But it sounds less, like, there's a reason why your ears design that way. | ||
| It sort of captures the sound waves and puts them through the ear canal. | ||
| It's a very specific design by nature. | ||
| And if you fuck that up by calcium deposits... | ||
| People are like, you fucking wear it, you pussy. | ||
| I was like, hey man, I want to hear things. | ||
| People would make fun of me. | ||
| I'm like, I don't care. | ||
| Say whatever you want. | ||
| I don't want my ears to be fucked up. | ||
| That cracks me up. | ||
| I was like, your ears are fucked up. | ||
| Well, I mean, they are. | ||
| They are. | ||
| They're fucked up. | ||
| They are. | ||
| How many guys do you know that can't even get earbuds in their ears? | ||
| Because you, right? | ||
| You have to go over the ear because your ears are so fucked up. | ||
| They don't stick in there because everything's hard as a rock. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| When you're done fighting, you're going to get it cleaned out? | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| I'm going to still compete. | ||
| I'm going to still compete, right? | ||
| I thought about if I got my ears like this, like pinned back a little bit, but I'm like, no, I don't want to do it. | ||
| Just leave them like this, just out there and try to capture all the sound that it can with its big ass calcified. | ||
| It's like, try to get everything. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| Hard as a rock, right? | ||
| Oh yeah, hard as a rock. | ||
| But that shit breaks off too sometimes. | ||
| Did you see Matthias Gamrot and Benil Darius early in the fight? | ||
| That shit broke off and you start bleeding like crazy. | ||
| It's because it's a rock. | ||
| You've got a rock hanging off your head. | ||
| Yeah, luckily mine hasn't broken off yet, so I got four more fights and hopefully four more fights when we were good. | ||
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Remember Sakuraba always used to have tape all over his ears and shit? | |
| His ears were fucked up. | ||
| But how about his knees, man? | ||
| That's what I'm talking about, right? | ||
| His legs were mummified. | ||
| Like, he would mummify his knees before competitions. | ||
| I remember, like, there has to be, you have to have, there has to be an end of the tunnel, right? | ||
| Like, the person I'm blown away by is Bibiano Fernandez. | ||
| He's 41 years old, and he's never had surgery in any injuries. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's, for how, I mean, he's a five-time World Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu champion. | ||
| Dream champion, one champion, the longest reigning, I believe. | ||
| He's never had... | ||
| That fight with Lineker was nuts. | ||
| Oh, fuck, I know. | ||
| That was nuts. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But it's just like he stood in the pocket too long. | ||
| He dropped Lineker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He dropped Lineker, and when he went to follow up, he said he was so emotional that he was like, dude, I was fucking like... | ||
| He goes, I dropped him, and he goes, DJ, that right hand came out of nowhere. | ||
| I don't know where it come from. | ||
| But Lineker just... | ||
| Wings. | ||
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Wings. | |
| But they're like wrecking balls. | ||
| If you get out of the way, you're good. | ||
| But if you don't get out of the way, you're fucked. | ||
| You're fucked, man. | ||
| That dude hits so goddamn hard. | ||
| I'll never forget John Linderker's manager, Alex Davis. | ||
| He goes, when he was fighting us, Cisco Rivera, he was in the UFC. Francisco. | ||
| Francisco. | ||
| He goes, Don't stand with him. | ||
| Just, just, just, just, you know, out-wrestle him. | ||
| And he goes, okay, okay, okay. | ||
| They started banging, and when Jon got hit, Leonard got hit, he was like, oh, he punches like a pussy. | ||
| So he just kept on fucking going. | ||
| And then after the fight, Leonard, Alex goes, I told you not to stand with him. | ||
| He goes, oh, he punched like a pussy. | ||
| So I figured he would go out before I would. | ||
| And he goes, the kid's crazy, DJ. And I'm like, hey, hey, good for him. | ||
| You know, some people have that. | ||
| He's a bulldog man. | ||
| They have that bulldog and, you know, like, Fabrizio Andrade was able to capitalize on that, right? | ||
| He was like, he's going to swing, when he does, I'm going to land that liver shot over and over, right? | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| Well, it's also a cumulative damage over a long career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that dude has been banging for quite a long time. | ||
| And eventually, it's going to stop. | ||
| Yeah, you can't just fight like that. | ||
| Look at Chuck Liddell. | ||
| One day, the chin just goes. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And that's what I say about Rod Tang. | ||
| One day that chin's gonna go. | ||
| It's just human nature. | ||
| It's just going to go. | ||
| But man, before it goes, what a fucking show that guy puts on. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Just ride it. | ||
| Just enjoy the ride, right? | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's not... | ||
| Not Rod Tang, because Rod Tang does have great technique as well. | ||
| Oh, 1,000%. | ||
| He's absolutely... | ||
| There's no way better than him at that weight class. | ||
| When he fought... | ||
| John Haggerty and they were going back and forth and how he crosses distance and blocks and exchange and boom, boom, it hit him to the body and then went back to the body over and over again. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, he is a brilliant in Muay Thai. | ||
| He's not just, you know, a rock'em sock'em robot. | ||
| Does he have any desire to fight MMA other than that fight with you? | ||
| He said he does. | ||
| He said he wants to transition to mixed martial arts. | ||
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Really? | |
| That's what he said. | ||
| But, you know, obviously... | ||
| It's a long road. | ||
| It's a long road, but Stamp Fairtex, she's been phenomenal in the transition to mixed martial arts. | ||
| So, if he gets to the right camp... | ||
| But I feel like girls wrestling is not at the level that men's wrestling is. | ||
| So when a woman is an elite striker, I feel like there's a... | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| She has a better... | ||
| There's a better pathway. | ||
| A better pathway. | ||
| 1,000%. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, you look at Joanna Jacek, right? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Perfect example. | ||
| Perfect example, right? | ||
| I mean, Claudia Godela and her, they're back and forth. | ||
| It's like, if Claudia was just like, I'm going to go in there and take you down, pass your guard, submit you, that should have been the game plan, right? | ||
| Instead of trying to stand up with a fucking... | ||
| I don't know how many times she's won a world title in Muay Thai or whatever. | ||
| Some crazy amount, yeah. | ||
| Some crazy amount. | ||
| It's like, the game plan is to take her down and pass her guard, but... | ||
| But even Ioana, like, now, you see that she just can't take it the way she used to take it before. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The Thug Rose fight, and then Zhang Weili knocks her out in the last fight. | ||
| But she's still not ready to completely hang it up yet. | ||
| I thought she retired. | ||
| She's been talking lately, like, not totally ready to... | ||
| See, that's... | ||
| For me, that's, like, the biggest thing. | ||
| Will, he showed... | ||
| Will Harris, he showed me a clip he did with Kamaru Usman. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that clip. | ||
| Where he... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, where he talks about his body and... | ||
| His body and just... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's... | ||
| Difficulties. | ||
| Difficulties. | ||
| That's like the... | ||
| Will's the best, man. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| The footage Will Harris gets is fucking phenomenal. | ||
| He's the best documentary filmmaker in the sport, period. | ||
| Because he catches... | ||
| Hands down. | ||
| He captures the raw side of the athletics, of an athlete, right? | ||
| Also, he's such a good guy that everybody loves him. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so everybody opens up around him. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And they relax around him. | ||
| It's funny because my wife, she goes, now she's like, I don't want cameras in this house anymore. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| Like, I don't want it in the house because all the footage I've ever taken over the years of my mixed martial arts career, I own none of it. | ||
| None of it, right? | ||
| And so I was like, people got video of me being pregnant on their fucking hard drive somewhere. | ||
| So, no more, right? | ||
| But if Will want to come, Will come over anytime he want. | ||
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I love Will. | |
| That's great. | ||
| So she's opened the door to Will because he's like, if you want any content you want, you can have it. | ||
| Like, I just want to capture your moment and tell your story. | ||
| And if I need, hey, Will, I need something. | ||
| Can you send me this? | ||
| Absolutely, DJ. No, no ifs, ands, and about. | ||
| No negotiating, no nothing. | ||
| Here you go, player. | ||
| Do your thing. | ||
| Yeah, no, he's the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's such a good dude, too. | ||
| And, you know, I had him on recently, and, you know, we were talking about dating apps. | ||
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Oh, hey. | |
| Will's addicted to those dating apps. | ||
| I know! | ||
| Because, first of all, he's a beautiful man. | ||
| He's gigantic. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he gets bombed on. | ||
| He was talking to me about it. | ||
| He goes, I've been Austin for one day. | ||
| Look at all this shit. | ||
| They're just bombing on him. | ||
| Make your dick feel good. | ||
| I was like, oh my. | ||
| Bro, his fucking Tinder looks like an Iraqi landing strip. | ||
| Just boom, boom. | ||
| When he came to visit me, he goes, you know, I'm driving. | ||
| I'm like, what you looking at? | ||
| He goes, what you think about this girl? | ||
| He goes, what I need is a fucking tech woman. | ||
| Take care of me. | ||
| Shit, let me get Jeff Bezos' wife. | ||
| Shit, she'll never go. | ||
| I just laugh. | ||
| And then when Jeff Bezos' wife just announced she's getting divorced, I sent him a screenshot. | ||
| I'm like, this is your chance. | ||
| Better get over here quick. | ||
| Better give her some of that. | ||
| Well, yeah, I don't know if you want that. | ||
| I got a joke about that. | ||
| A bit about dating a woman who has that much money. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| It's a real problem. | ||
| She's worth $38 billion. | ||
|
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Damn. | |
| You can't say shit in that relationship. | ||
| You don't have nothing to say. | ||
| I think we'll be okay with that. | ||
| He's like, as long as she let me film and document and I give her that BBC, we good to go. | ||
| I ain't worried about nothing. | ||
| That'll be his fucking response. | ||
| He's done with the dating apps. | ||
| He sent me a video that he goes, no more apps. | ||
| And he's like, him dancing in a hotel room with these two girls. | ||
| No more apps. | ||
| Zero apps. | ||
| I think he's really done. | ||
| Hey, good for him. | ||
| Because if you want a real relationship, man, you can't have that many options. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you're not going to be concentrated on the person you're with. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's just too much. | ||
|
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Too much distraction. | |
| Too much distraction. | ||
| Like he said, you're always chasing for that next thrill. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| That's the thing is the thrill. | ||
| He's chasing that hunt. | ||
| And he wants a family. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Even though he's 40 years old, you've got to get off that horse at a certain point in time. | ||
| And you've got to find the right one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The right one's got to be able to fill all those buckets, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| But I don't think you find the right one when you're still looking for other ones. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I think there's a thing with people today that have access to these dating apps and also have access to social media and DMs. | ||
| I just think that you're overwhelmed by options. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't, like, you're drowning in it. | ||
| This is what I like. | ||
| Have you ever seen Bachelor in Paradise? | ||
| No. | ||
| Or do you know what The Bachelor and Bachelorette is? | ||
| Yeah, I know about the show, but I've never watched it. | ||
| Okay, so I watch it with my wife, right? | ||
| It's kind of our thing we do. | ||
| And I hate watching The Bachelor and Bachelorette. | ||
| The reason why is because you have one woman to 20 fucking dudes, right? | ||
| So all these guys are fighting for one chick in that row, right? | ||
| And the same thing with The Bachelorette. | ||
| You had all these hot chicks trying to battle for one dude. | ||
| But I'm like, you know, I guarantee if you throw another chick in there, I bet you things would be different. | ||
| Oh yeah! | ||
| So in Bachelor in Paradise, they throw like 20 hot chicks and 20 hot dudes on an island, and they all try to figure out their relationship. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, when you have more fucking options, you're not going to be the hot commodity that everybody wants. | ||
| But once you throw another, you know, a thing in there, another distraction, it just, I like to see people navigate. | ||
| They compete. | ||
| And then, you know, and then there's like sexual competition. | ||
| This girl won't do anything, but that girl fucks everybody. | ||
| Exactly, right? | ||
| So I never get, there was a one season where the guy, he was like, you know, they had the fantasy suite, right? | ||
| I know it's kind of disturbing. | ||
| I know all about this shit, but it is what it is. | ||
| I don't know anything about it, so help me out. | ||
| Okay, so fantasy suite is like, I think it's like the maybe, it's the homestretch, right? | ||
| It's usually there are four people, four contestants. | ||
| Oh, you get them down? | ||
| So they eliminate people? | ||
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They eliminate people. | |
| You get a rose, they go home, right? | ||
| You get a rose? | ||
| That's how they do it. | ||
| The dude gets a rose? | ||
| The dude and the chick gets a rose. | ||
| So then it goes to Fantasy Suites. | ||
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Fantasy Suites. | |
| Here's a flower, kick rocks. | ||
| No, you get a flower, you get to stay. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| So how it goes, so if I was on The Bachelor, right, I show up to this big-ass mansion, girls come in cars, like, hi, my name is Elisa. | ||
| I'm so happy to meet you. | ||
| I'm like, oh, very nice to meet you. | ||
| Go in the house. | ||
| I'll be in there in a second. | ||
| 20 come, then every week I have to send somebody home. | ||
| They don't get a rose, right? | ||
| So it gets down to the last four, right? | ||
| The last four, you have the opportunity to do fantasy suites, which means you get to stay tonight in a hotel together with no cameras, do whatever you want, right? | ||
| So typically, you know, the guys are, depending on how they are, they'll either, you know, do the nasty or they won't, right? | ||
| So this guy cracked me up. | ||
| So, he has four girls left. | ||
| No, three girls left. | ||
| I think it's four or three. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| He brings one to the room, sleeps with her, right? | ||
| Brings another girl to the room, sleeps with her, right? | ||
| And then the one girl that they're going to go into fantasy, she goes, you know, I think if you've been intimate with any other girl... | ||
| I don't think I can go on with this relationship. | ||
| And he goes, well, I wish you would have told me that before because maybe I wouldn't have done it. | ||
| I thought you told me to explore all my options. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| And now you're nagging me for it. | ||
| And so she goes, I'm leaving. | ||
| I'm going home. | ||
| So she goes home. | ||
| Go see the final rose ceremony. | ||
| Who's gonna pick who his wife is or who's gonna propose to? | ||
| He goes... | ||
| You have to propose at the end of it? | ||
| An engagement. | ||
| There's usually an engagement. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| On a fucking television show? | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm ignorant to this. | ||
| I didn't know how stupid it is. | ||
| I love to see the demeanor, but it gets better. | ||
| So I'm sitting here watching with my wife, and I'm like, he done banged both these chicks, and they don't even know it yet, right? | ||
| So he goes, I have to tell you both that I've been intimate with you and you. | ||
| They both start crying. | ||
| He goes, I didn't mean for this to happen. | ||
| I fell in love with both of you guys. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So, when it ends up happening, he doesn't get any other girls, but he slept with both of them, right? | ||
| Then, I told Dexter, I was like, I guarantee you, he gonna bang that third one. | ||
| I bet you, right? | ||
| The one that left? | ||
| The one that left, right? | ||
| Sure enough, the one that left came back crawling. | ||
| He gets with her. | ||
| You know, they do the nasty. | ||
| And then next thing you know, they break up like three months recently, like I think four months ago. | ||
| And I was like, babe, I told you, he banged all three of them. | ||
| He's a legend. | ||
| Nobody's ever done it before in Bachelor history. | ||
| She goes, you're such... | ||
| But there's so many options. | ||
| But there's no way, under that kind of scrutiny and all those people watching, well, no way, A, you're going to be yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Because you know you're putting on a show. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And there's no way, B, it's going to last because there's this whole thrill of this thing that you've become addicted to. | ||
| Some have lasted. | ||
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Really? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I'm shocked, too. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| Like I said, this is... | ||
| I'm shocked. | ||
| Some of last some have beautiful relationships, beautiful babies, married. | ||
| So it does work out in the end, but then every once in a while you have this man who's taking advantage of the system. | ||
| Is he just doing man things? | ||
| Normal man? | ||
| That's not taking advantage. | ||
| That's being a human. | ||
| But to me it's like celebrity rehab. | ||
| That's the worst way ever to get clean. | ||
| And bachelorette shows or bachelorette shows, that's the worst way ever to be in a relationship with someone. | ||
| Fucking cameras in your face. | ||
| Who the fuck are you? | ||
| You don't even know who you are. | ||
| You're putting on a show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're trying to compete? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's something interesting, like you said, when you have those distractions and those dating apps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's where, you know, it ran down that rabbit hole. | ||
| But for people like Will that are real busy, it's really hard to meet someone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was going to try to hook him up with one of the girls. | ||
| A family friend who's a real estate agent. | ||
| She's killing it. | ||
| And she's like, I don't need no man. | ||
| And I'm like, that's... | ||
| That's a perfect... | ||
| You meet somebody, you become friends. | ||
| Your best friend becomes your lover. | ||
| In my case, right? | ||
| So that's where I was like, I can... | ||
| I showed Will a picture. | ||
| Will is interested. | ||
| He goes, mm, look at her. | ||
| He goes, all right, when I come back up here to get some work done, we're going to have to do dinner. | ||
| And I was like, okay, I got you. | ||
| So, you know, I know he wants to move to Dubai or whatnot, but we'll see what happens. | ||
| Yeah, he loves Dubai. | ||
| He's like, there's no crime. | ||
| Everybody's cool. | ||
| Yeah, when he was talking about being African-American and worried about certain situations or another black man trying to get him, he was like, What the hell happened in this world? | ||
| I mean, I can understand that. | ||
| Like, not having that fear. | ||
| When you're over there, you don't have to worry about things like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crime and violence. | ||
| He says it's so safe. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He said if someone drops a diamond, like, you could just, like, don't worry about it. | ||
| They'll turn it into the police. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's awesome to hear. | ||
| Yeah, but also, like, you know, they don't have any free speech. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, you have to be very careful with what you do and what you say. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You can't have both. | ||
| One's got to go. | ||
| One's got to go, right? | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| What is it like in Washington now? | ||
| Because Seattle is kind of fucking chaos, right? | ||
| Man, once COVID-19 happened, my wife was like, I want to move. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| Where'd she want to move to? | ||
| Arizona. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, because she has friends out there. | ||
| And she went out there during COVID-19. | ||
| And she was there, and she goes, everything's still open. | ||
| There's no mask. | ||
| The children aren't wearing masks. | ||
| And everybody's still in school. | ||
| So my wife was like, if we can have a house in Arizona, I would really, really love it. | ||
| So we got a house in Arizona. | ||
| And now, me being here in Austin... | ||
| Austin, Texas. | ||
| And feeling the vibe, the good weather, and the food, the people. | ||
| It's like, fuck, man. | ||
| It reminds me of Arizona. | ||
| I want to move to Arizona and be there full-time. | ||
| Just the atmosphere is different, and the weather is good. | ||
| In Washington, it's rainy. | ||
| It's cloudy. | ||
| It's not good for your mind. | ||
| That's what she said. | ||
| It's not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's seasonal depression shit? | ||
| That's real. | ||
| She hates it. | ||
| She's like, I hate it. | ||
| Get out while your kids are young. | ||
| Yeah, but, you know, it's just, I just can't yet. | ||
| I don't think I can. | ||
| I think- Because of training? | ||
| For training. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll keep that house. | ||
| Like, that house, I ain't never selling that house. | ||
| Why don't you go down there and train with Henry? | ||
| Shit, that's how it all started, baby. | ||
| Triple C. He's doing some amazing shit down there, man. | ||
| Dude, he is. | ||
| That fight ready, that's an amazing camp. | ||
| The scientific aspect of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love Henry, okay? | ||
| Let me tell you a thing. | ||
| This is how... | ||
| I think we get along so well, right? | ||
| So I talked to him. | ||
| I called him. | ||
| I was like, hey Henry, I got a house out here. | ||
| Can I come train? | ||
| He goes, absolutely Demetrius. | ||
| He goes, I think we do great things, but before we train, I want to sit down and I want to show you something. | ||
| I was like, oh fuck Henry, please don't try to sell me on something. | ||
| Can we just vibe out together? | ||
| I go to his house and we're talking. | ||
| I met his wife and his beautiful baby, America. | ||
| And we're sitting there. | ||
| I see my fucking pillow on his couch and all those pillows and whatnot. | ||
| And he's showing me his book. | ||
| And he started breaking down his mindset and how he approaches his training and his fights. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| Because I fought him twice, right? | ||
| And I already knew he was already good and brilliant, but when we get to actually sit down and vibe off each other, that's when I was like, okay, I'm gonna come back out here and I'm gonna train for 10 days. | ||
| What is his mindset? | ||
| Like, what is special about it? | ||
| You know, they're talking about him fighting Al Jermaine. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think he'll be fighting against Al Jermaine. | ||
| I'm excited about that. | ||
| I think he beats Al Jermaine. | ||
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Do you really? | |
| I do. | ||
| Al Jermaine's a bad motherfucker, dude. | ||
| He is. | ||
| And so, two things. | ||
| One, Al Jermaine's very bad. | ||
| He's starting to come into his own. | ||
| He's starting to embrace- Yes, right now, he's a champion. | ||
| He's a champion. | ||
| He's starting to embrace that backpack role. | ||
| Getting heavy on people. | ||
| Crossing distance, taking him down, getting on their back, locking up the body triangle. | ||
| He's very long, very big for the weight class, right? | ||
| He's perfect for the weight class. | ||
| He's perfect for the weight class, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, where I think Henry's going to be able to excel, where other people have falter, right, is Henry is an amazing wrestler. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Olympic gold medalist. | ||
| Olympic gold medalist. | ||
| Two, Henry is probably the most disciplined person I've ever trained with. | ||
| What I mean by that is that... | ||
| Henry will look at somebody, but okay, where can I beat him at? | ||
| Okay, that's where I can beat him at? | ||
| We're not leaving there. | ||
| We're staying there. | ||
| Like when we're talking about the Domino Cruz fight, he was like, I'm gonna kick his fucking legs. | ||
| I'm not gonna stop. | ||
| I'm gonna kick his legs. | ||
| And we're watching, he's doing his thing, his dance, and his faint faint, low kick. | ||
| He's waiting, waiting. | ||
| Sometimes he will get off track, but he'll reel himself back in, back into fighting. | ||
| When me and him train, It was good because he was like, you're a killer. | ||
| I was like, what do you mean? | ||
| He goes, you don't do anything we talked about. | ||
| You just want to push, push, push, push. | ||
| I was like, yes, because he needs to be finished. | ||
| He needs to not die, but I wanted to pose my will on him. | ||
| When I was getting ready to fight Adriano, he goes, no body kicks. | ||
| Do not throw any body kicks. | ||
| Kick his legs, then the hands will come. | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
| I guarantee you, right? | ||
| What's the first fucking thing I do when I fight Adriano? | ||
| Body kick! | ||
| Body kick! | ||
| And Henry says, if you throw a body kick, he's going to catch it and take you down. | ||
| And sure enough, he did that. | ||
| But that's where me and him thrive because we question each other's skill set. | ||
| On a humble way, if that makes sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Testing it. | ||
| Testing it, right? | ||
| And so I think when he decides to come back, he'll be fine against Aljo because he's just fucking smart. | ||
| Well, he's a wizard. | ||
| You know, when he fought Wilson Hayes, I was like, look at this motherfucker. | ||
| He looks like a karate champion. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| He's standing sideways like Wonderboy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And now he's trying to transition. | ||
| He's changing it, right? | ||
| He's always changing it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And when I went out there training with him, I was like, dude, I was like, I can make your clinch game fucking nasty. | ||
| Like, with your wrestling pedigree. | ||
| Arizona. | ||
| Oh yeah, I know. | ||
| You need to move. | ||
| Get to that sunlight. | ||
| Get to that sunlight. | ||
| It might make you better. | ||
| Vitamin D. Always good for the brain. | ||
| I mean, you do speak a lot of truth there, Joe. | ||
| Fuck rain, bro. | ||
| Rain's good. | ||
| Like here, what I love about Austin, it rains occasionally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you appreciate the sun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I can't fuck with a place that rains all the time. | ||
| I think if I didn't have my friends and family in Washington, I don't want to say it's a problem. | ||
| That's what's keeping me attached. | ||
| Yeah, but you're a fun guy. | ||
| You'll make new friends. | ||
| No. | ||
| I have a very small circle, and I don't like to open up. | ||
| Maybe take Matt Hume to Arizona and say, hey, Matt. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Matt's got his kids, his life out there too. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Look, I had my life in California. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| My wife, Destiny, she's like, I'm ready to move right now. | ||
| You say the word, baby. | ||
| We gone. | ||
| I think it'd be very interesting to see you full-time with Henry. | ||
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Oh, fuck. | |
| Very interesting. | ||
| We would probably... | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| We're training and then I did something. | ||
| I did like... | ||
| I was fully mounted and I... Instead of staying in a mountain and pounding a guy out, I went to triangle. | ||
| Like I stepped over and triangled him and went to my back and finished the triangle. | ||
| He goes, why did you do that? | ||
| I'm like, why the fuck not? | ||
| He goes, I would have stayed up top and pounded him. | ||
| I was like, yeah, but I just ended the fight. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| He could have turtled. | ||
| He could have did this. | ||
| So we bounce off each other. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, like... | ||
| Your grappling is so good that you need to start finishing people with your submissions. | ||
| And he goes, yeah, but... | ||
| So we vibe off each other. | ||
| So I'm going to go out there and train. | ||
| There's no one right way. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that was the biggest eye-opener I had when I trained with him. | ||
| And for him to say, he's like, D, he calls me Demetrius. | ||
| He goes, Demetrius, you're a high-volume athlete. | ||
| Your conditioning is off the charts. | ||
| You're nine weeks out from your fight and you're already in shape. | ||
| He goes, I'm worried about you. | ||
| I'm like, I'm fine. | ||
| I'll take time off. | ||
| He's worried about you peaking too early? | ||
| Peaking too early. | ||
| But he is precise. | ||
| He is... | ||
| Move, very little. | ||
| Move, move, move. | ||
| Right hand. | ||
| Left kick. | ||
| Right hand, left hand. | ||
| Smoke, smoke, right hand. | ||
| He's very precise with what he does. | ||
| Where me, I'm just like... | ||
| Flowing. | ||
| I'm flowing. | ||
| I'm like, one, one, two, up, six, three, two, nine, nine, knee, double leg takedown, pass. | ||
| And he goes, you can do that because you have the energy for it. | ||
| And I was like, exactly. | ||
| So when he told me that, it almost came for me to come on my own as an athlete. | ||
| But he's a different frame than you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He's cutting a lot of weight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He cut a lot of weight to make 25 and missed it a few times. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| But at 35, he's a fucking beast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now I think he's walking... | ||
| When I was there, he's probably at 165 now. | ||
| So he's always been... | ||
| He's got a little tortillas. | ||
| He's got tortillas. | ||
| He's got that... | ||
| He's got a little enchiladas. | ||
| He's got that retirement body. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| But not quite. | ||
| He's losing weight. | ||
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He's losing weight. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He's in the USADA pool, I believe, as well. | ||
| So I'm super excited for him to come back, if he does come back. | ||
| I'm very interested in that fight with him and Al Jermaine. | ||
| That's a very interesting fight to me. | ||
| What he needs to do is just go out there, control distance, throw body kicks. | ||
| Well, he probably fucking won't because, I mean, you know, he doesn't like to get taken down. | ||
| Throw body kicks, but throw things up the middle because Aljo, the thing, backpack, big, he's coming to his own, but his stand-up is not rhythm. | ||
| He has no rhythm on his feet. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| So, rhythm is like, you know, when I'm here, Aljo's not like this. | ||
| He's not, like, he's not a rhythm. | ||
| It's like, Right. | ||
| It's not flowy. | ||
| It's not like smooth like a kickboxer. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's kind of unorthodox, right? | ||
| You watch Henry. | ||
| Henry's here. | ||
| He's moving. | ||
| It's very like he's dancing a little bit. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| So I'm not saying Aljo doesn't have rhythm. | ||
| I'm saying that his stand-up is a little more unorthodox, which that's going to give Henry problems when they fight. | ||
| He likes a lot of front kicks up the middle, too. | ||
| A lot of front kicks up the middle, too. | ||
| Which Henry will catch that, and it can wrestle, and we'll see who's a better wrestler. | ||
| But that's what I see when I break down that fight. | ||
| I'm like, okay, well, I don't... | ||
| Ajo's stand-up is kind of like... | ||
| The last fight was very unfortunate that TJ's shoulder was that fucked up going into the fight, but I had heard that. | ||
| I had heard his shoulders were fucked. | ||
| That shit has not changed since WC days. | ||
| You know how many times I've been in, like, line... | ||
| Because every single time you fight... | ||
| The doctor checks you, like, raise your hands, squeeze, up, down, left, right, check your shoulders, your knees. | ||
| I remember I was getting ready to fight in WEC. Antonio Bumuel has fought with a broken hand. | ||
| He was like, yeah, I broke my fucking hand. | ||
| I got to fight. | ||
| Because when you fight, you get that insurance. | ||
| Any damages you cure on fight night, they cover it 100% with insurance. | ||
| So, you know, look at it as an athlete standpoint. | ||
| Here's TJ. He's 36. He's 36 years old. | ||
| He's healthy. | ||
| He's like, I don't know if I'm going to get another shot. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But his shoulders were fucked a long time ago. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| He had massive tears in his supraspinatus. | ||
| Well, he said it came out of his socket, what, 20 times? | ||
| 20 times in training camp? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this is how we make our money. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Aaron Pico, when he was fighting, he was like, don't stop this fight. | ||
| This is how I make my fucking money. | ||
| Well, he's trying to put it back in. | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| But think about that mindset. | ||
| This is how I make my money. | ||
| I need to do whatever I can to make that money. | ||
| Also, he's just trying to win. | ||
| Aaron was still trying to win. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| He missed with a left hook, right? | ||
| And it just popped out? | ||
| Who, Aaron? | ||
| I didn't see what happened that led to him, the shorter pop out. | ||
| I just saw the highlight of him like... | ||
| Like, trying to get back in. | ||
| He was like, don't stop the fight. | ||
| This is how I make my money. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Which is the truth. | ||
| So I think for TJ, he was like, this is how I make my money. | ||
| I got one opportunity. | ||
| I'm going to put it back in and fight. | ||
| Yeah, I just think TJ's shoulders were already fucked up before the retirement. | ||
| Well, before the time off from popping hot. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, his shoulders have been fucked forever. | ||
| See? | ||
| And once again, you only could do this for so long. | ||
| That's why I tell myself, you have to stop. | ||
| At some point in time. | ||
| You have to stop. | ||
| What is the biggest injury that you've ever had? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I'll say shoulders. | ||
| I still have problems with my shoulders. | ||
| Just from years of wrestling, shooting, and feeling all the weight. | ||
| Going with bigger guys, because I'm the smallest guy in the gym. | ||
| I'll say my shoulders. | ||
| Shoulders are always fucked for wrestlers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you're carrying all that weight, right? | ||
| And then, you know, my main sparring partner is Matt, you know? | ||
| So he's like 170, 175. Then next down on the list is James. | ||
| He's like 165. And then Tony, he's about 190. And then at my jiu-jitsu place, the closest person to my size is the women. | ||
| But I grapple with the women sometimes, but then I'm grappling with the bigger guys. | ||
| So I'm always carrying a lot of that weight. | ||
| Another reason for you to go down to Arizona. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's one thing that's nice. | ||
| They have bodies on bodies. | ||
| But now we have, since we combined with Charlie's gym, now we have Bilal, amazing 125-er. | ||
| We have Javi. | ||
| We have some smaller guys. | ||
| But when I went to Arizona, holy fuck, man. | ||
| There was a two-time national champion, AJ Reese. | ||
| Gaston Browns are with him. | ||
| You had Jose. | ||
| There's probably like... | ||
| From 125 to 155, there was probably, like, maybe 30 guys. | ||
| Don't you think that's better for your career? | ||
| Yeah, but it could also be horrible for my career because you didn't get an injury. | ||
| Why would you get injury prone if you're training with guys your size versus training with bigger guys? | ||
| Because you're competing with those guys every single time. | ||
| I know what you're getting at, like, if I'm competing with smaller guys, I wouldn't have to carry their weight, but you're also in a room full of fucking killers that are trying to make it to the next level, so they're always testing themselves. | ||
| So you know how they say iron sharpens iron, but also iron breaks iron, right? | ||
| How hard are they training down there? | ||
| Oh, they go hard? | ||
| Henry does his own thing. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| In what way where Henry's like, he doesn't train. | ||
| When we were down there, I was like, are we going to spar, Henry? | ||
| He goes, no, I don't need to spar. | ||
| I know what hell feels like. | ||
| I don't need to experience that. | ||
| So when Henry's not in training camp, he's not training. | ||
| Like if I was like, hey, Henry, let's do five rounds. | ||
| He'll get through it because he's mentally tough and he's a competitor. | ||
| But my condition would be way higher. | ||
| Beyond his, just because I'm like, I did- You're always in shape. | ||
| I'm always in shape. | ||
| I did, you know, when I did New Wave, me and Gary grappled for 20 minutes straight, like nonstop, just going back and forth, back and forth. | ||
| And I was like, we can do another 20 if we want to, right? | ||
| So Henry does his own thing to where the team does their own thing. | ||
| And I think the team, they spar three days a week there. | ||
| And so I think if I trained with a whole bunch of killers like that, I think I'll be injury prone. | ||
| I think I'll sustain more injuries in my career. | ||
| Or it could be wrong, Joe. | ||
| Maybe you're right. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if you would be. | ||
| I mean, I think if you're training with Henry, he'd probably be very smart in how he approaches your... | ||
| Because he would probably want to try to make you the best that he can make you. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't... | ||
| I like to train... | ||
| I like to push out of camp, right? | ||
| Where I don't know if he does. | ||
| So that's what the difference I think would come down to. | ||
| When you were talking about his mindset, we got to derail a little bit there. | ||
| So his mindset, he's like this. | ||
| He was like, we sat down. | ||
| He goes, if you were to fight Jon Jones, what would you do? | ||
| I was like, I'll get all over Jon Jones. | ||
| He goes, you get all over Jon Jones? | ||
| I was like, yeah, I'll put the pressure on him. | ||
| I'll beat him up in the clinch. | ||
| I would take him down, pass his guard, and submit him. | ||
| That's what I would do. | ||
| And he goes, see, I would do... | ||
| You know, he has six different areas where he's like, okay, there's... | ||
| Balance. | ||
| You're sitting there. | ||
| You're not over committing or you're just chilling. | ||
| You're reacting. | ||
| Then he has one that says commit. | ||
| You have to take risk, right? | ||
| The risk management. | ||
| Then there's another category where it's like counter. | ||
| So he has these six categories that he lives in. | ||
| And when he's looking at the person he's going to fight, he'll sit there and look at his categories and be like, okay, do we take risk with this guy? | ||
| Okay, if we take risk with this guy, here's the pros, here's the cons. | ||
| If we stay balanced, where we're neutral, right? | ||
| Here's the pros, here's the cons. | ||
| And he sticks by that. | ||
| So, in his whole training camp, eight weeks, it's by that book. | ||
| He does not deviate from that. | ||
| And this is something he's developed on his own. | ||
| I believe he's developed on his own. | ||
| Like, when he showed me that, that's where we're two different animals, right? | ||
| Where it's like... | ||
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Yes, you... | |
| He's like... | ||
| And then he'll switch up. | ||
| He goes, sometimes you have to take that risk in order to get that, you know, to get that reward. | ||
| But how much of that risk do you want to take? | ||
| How much do you put your eggs in that basket? | ||
| Where for me, I'm like, nope, I'm going out there and I'm getting... | ||
| I'm putting the pressure. | ||
| I want to overwhelm you, like, with my skill set and my conditioning. | ||
| And once you... | ||
| Can't take the overwhelming, then that's when you succumb to whatever it is you decide to... | ||
| You pick your poison and now make sure you die that way. | ||
| So that's where we're different. | ||
| Like... | ||
| When we sit there, I have the same mindset, but I deviate off that path. | ||
| I'm just like, nope, I'm gone. | ||
| I'm gone. | ||
| Let me do my thing. | ||
| When I'm sparring, Matt will be like, hey, I want you to try to get this out. | ||
| I'm like, okay, I'll try. | ||
| Then once shit starts going, I'm just doing my own thing. | ||
| And he was like, that's not what I wanted you to do. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I know that, but hey, we got the job done though, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| So that's... | ||
| Where Henry, he will stay to it. | ||
| He'll spend the whole round kicking legs, kicking legs, kicking legs. | ||
| I'm like, I'm bored, dude. | ||
| I'm not going to spend five minutes kicking those legs. | ||
| I need to show kick, fly knee. | ||
| When we're play sparring, I do a fly knee and shoot for a takedown. | ||
| He goes, you're just all over the place. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, it's kind of fun. | ||
| I like it that way. | ||
| Obviously, it's worked out for you, though. | ||
| Yeah, I would say so. | ||
| How could you argue that your approach is bad? | ||
| And that's a beautiful thing. | ||
| He doesn't say my approach is bad. | ||
| He says the approach is different for everybody. | ||
| It seems like I'm convincing you to go to Arizona. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| I feel like I should be. | ||
| I'll tell Matt, hey Matt, we had a good ride, baby. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| Here I come! | ||
| No. | ||
| I listen to Matt can fly in every now and then. | ||
| Yeah, he could. | ||
| But I like the responsibility as a father to get my kids to school. | ||
| Like, when I'm in training camp, I don't stop. | ||
| Like, when I'm in training camp, I'm working on the bars. | ||
| I'm working on, you know, portable consultants. | ||
| I'm working on my businesses while taking care of my children while training for my fights. | ||
| Like, I like to have my plate full because it keeps my brain stimulated. | ||
| It doesn't let me... | ||
| It just keeps me going. | ||
| And you don't think you could do that and have a life similar to that in Arizona? | ||
| I don't think so because... | ||
| I just... | ||
| I have to start over from scratch. | ||
| Like, I just have to... | ||
| Don't you think that would help your mind, too? | ||
| The beginner's mindset, starting over from scratch? | ||
| Maybe, but I'll miss my friends and my routine. | ||
| And, like, I would move to Arizona. | ||
| I got four more fights left. | ||
| That's two years. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right? | ||
| So, I'm 38, 39 years old. | ||
| Then, it's going to come down to, do I leave my father-in-law? | ||
| Do I leave my mother-in-law? | ||
| Do I leave... | ||
| My mom, do I leave my best friend, my children's best friends? | ||
| That's the thing that's going to come over that I'm going to have to battle with. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So two years is nothing. | ||
| I'll fight twice next year, then I'll decide, do I want to continue to fight or not? | ||
| Do one of my businesses become a unicorn and take off? | ||
| I'm like, I don't need to fight anymore. | ||
| I got enough money. | ||
| I got enough money. | ||
| I don't need to fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So then I'm like, okay, then we revisit. | ||
| Do we move to Arizona, get some more sunshine and weather and pull the kids out? | ||
| Or do we just go back and forth? | ||
| It's like, hey, my wife was just in Arizona for five days and she came back home and she goes, it's fucking weather. | ||
| Can't believe you. | ||
| She woke up one day. | ||
| I was like, we're in bed. | ||
| She wakes up. | ||
| She goes, What are we fucking doing? | ||
| I was like, what's wrong, baby? | ||
| She goes, you see this? | ||
| You see them fucking clouds? | ||
| She goes, so nice in Arizona. | ||
| It's just so hard to be here when I know what's out there with the beautiful weather. | ||
| And I was like, I know, babe. | ||
| That's the thing is once you go to a place where it's sunny all the time and you realize how much better it is for your brain. | ||
| I see those eyes, Joe. | ||
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I see those eyes. | |
| I would live in Arizona in a heartbeat. | ||
| I love it down there. | ||
| Yeah, it's beautiful. | ||
| I mean, just the people, the food, the food choices. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of that. | ||
| A lot of that. | ||
| And it's a great community. | ||
| One of my best friends just moved down there. | ||
| He moved to Tucson. | ||
| And he's like, I don't want to move to Tucson. | ||
| I wanted to move closer in the middle because he used to live in... | ||
| That's right next to the border of Mexico. | ||
| Is that Tijuana? | ||
| He's like, I used to live in Tijuana. | ||
| Nothing goes on good in Tucson. | ||
| And so I always tell him, we have this joke where I say, pussy run that house, not dick. | ||
| And he'll call me and he'll be like, hey man, you want to play video games today? | ||
| I'm like, nah, nah, I can't. | ||
| I got to do some laundry and I got to watch this. | ||
| He goes, yeah, I knew. | ||
| I knew you were soft. | ||
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I know. | |
| He goes, put you in the house. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck! | ||
| Then I tried to get him back again. | ||
| I would sit there and wait. | ||
| And the other day, I was like, hey, man, I'm playing Cycle. | ||
| You want to jump on? | ||
| He goes, I got to cook dinner. | ||
| And I was like, mm-hmm. | ||
| How do you have time to play video games? | ||
| Because that is the great time suck. | ||
| Video games will absorb your life. | ||
| I don't look at it as a time suck. | ||
| I look at it as a coping skill for me. | ||
| Where I find the time is great balance, great support from the wife, and at the beginning of our marriage and our relationship, she never understood it. | ||
| Shit, hell, I'm still finding out new things why I enjoy playing video games. | ||
| It's very stimulating. | ||
| It's very stimulating, but for me, growing up, it was me, my brother, and my sister, and my mom, and we come from a very poor background. | ||
| So the one thing we did together that bonded us was playing video games, right? | ||
| And so now being an adult, it's the only thing I have close to my childhood that brings me back to those times, if that makes sense, right? | ||
| So when I'm playing video games with my friends, we're laughing, we're having a good time, we can all share the same passion playing video games, where my buddy Chris, he's not an athlete, he's not going to fight, right? | ||
| So we can't vibe on that level. | ||
| And it's just something I truly love to do. | ||
| Yeah, let that shit come up. | ||
| Do you ever feel like it takes up too much time? | ||
| It can when I don't prioritize, right? | ||
| Because don't get me wrong, it is a big time scene. | ||
| That's a lot, man. | ||
| When I was playing World of Warcraft, right? | ||
| That's a crazy one. | ||
| Yeah, here's a funny story. | ||
| So me and my wife, we didn't have any kids. | ||
| My wife, it was my father-in-law's birthday. | ||
| And we have a family recipe that he loves, apple pie, that's been passed down from the great-great-grandma to grandma, now to Destiny. | ||
| And so it takes about three hours to make from scratch. | ||
| She peels some apples and makes the crust herself, all from scratch. | ||
| So my wife's like, hey, what are you doing? | ||
| I was like, hey, do you mind if I play World Warcraft? | ||
| I'm going to play, we're about to raid Karazhan, which is one of the raids in the Burning Crusade. | ||
| And she goes, how long is it going to take? | ||
| Usually it takes three hours to clear, right? | ||
| And you don't want to leave because if I leave, then who's going to replace me as a DPS? Damage per second, right? | ||
| So, we're going. | ||
| We're going to Nightbane, right? | ||
| We're going up. | ||
| And we start fighting him. | ||
| And we're fucking getting killed every single time. | ||
| My wife comes in there. | ||
| Destiny, she comes in and she goes, Hey babe, how much longer? | ||
| I was like, oh... | ||
| By another hour, which I knew that wasn't true. | ||
| I knew we still had two and a half hours left, right? | ||
| The three-hour mark comes up. | ||
| She goes, hey, are you done? | ||
| I was like, yeah, I'm not. | ||
| And three hours later, I'm still playing the same fucking game. | ||
| Three hours later. | ||
| Still playing the same game, same spot, right? | ||
| We would die, respond, die, respond, die, respond. | ||
| I was like, alright guys, I gotta call it. | ||
| Like, I'm six hours past time where I'm supposed to be off here. | ||
| Then I go out the living room, and she's sitting there. | ||
| She goes, okay, you gotta make a choice. | ||
| It's either me, or World Warcraft. | ||
| I was like, bye wow, I'm out, deuces. | ||
| From that point, I took a huge step away from gaming. | ||
| Like, I was like, I have to put away, because I could not prioritize gaming. | ||
| What was more important, right? | ||
| They're obsessive. | ||
| They're very obsessive. | ||
| But then now, with streaming, Twitch, I've been able to monetize it and meet amazing people that I would have never met through gaming. | ||
| Are you making money off of Twitch? | ||
| I just recently switched to YouTube because of all the Twitch bullshit. | ||
| What's the Twitch bullshit? | ||
| Well, just, you know, me and Jamie were talking about it. | ||
| So, I don't want to say Twitch bullshit. | ||
| Can I be more positive? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So with Twitch, I find it hard and I struggle with that. | ||
| I've been streaming on the platform for nine years and I haven't seen any growth. | ||
| And that could be from my part too of not, you know, grinding is hard. | ||
| But at the point in time when I was grinding, I was making probably about like $2,500 a month just playing video games, right? | ||
| I was able to cover mortgage. | ||
| But my life was, I would wake up, train after my first training session, go next door, stream for two hours, go next door, Back to AMC, train for another two hours, drive home, shower, kiss my wife, eat dinner, go back downstairs and stream. | ||
| I had no life. | ||
| That's all I did was stream. | ||
| Stream, stream, stream, stream. | ||
| And I was able to monetize and make good money. | ||
| And then I sat down and I was like, I'm not having fun anymore. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| It's a job. | ||
| It's a job. | ||
| Like, I don't want that, right? | ||
| And so then you start seeing girls utilize the platform in a different way. | ||
| But the hot tub streams... | ||
| I ain't hating on them. | ||
| I'm happy they were able to capitalize. | ||
| Hot tub streams? | ||
| Okay, let me give you... | ||
| You don't spend much time on internet, so let me go ahead and... | ||
| Well, you do watch people get murdered, but let me take you... | ||
| Yeah, but that's not much time. | ||
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I know! | |
| It's like 30 seconds. | ||
| Oh, he got his fucking head chopped off. | ||
| I've cut my time down substantially. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So pretty much people would do... | ||
| You hear all this... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Hot tub streams? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Pools, hot tubs, and beaches. | ||
| So that... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| A whole channel? | ||
| That's a whole channel. | ||
| That girl's doing yoga in her underwear. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| What do you think they're doing? | ||
| What do you think they're trying to sell right there? | ||
| Pussy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Boy, I didn't know that that existed. | ||
| It does exist. | ||
| How many girls? | ||
| That girl's only got 44 viewers? | ||
| Oh, that might not even be her stream. | ||
| She's a popular porn star? | ||
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Very popular. | |
| She's working her way up. | ||
| She streams in a bikini? | ||
| Are you allowed to be naked? | ||
| No, you cannot. | ||
| That qualifies. | ||
| You break the conduct code. | ||
| Click on this. | ||
| This is the top female streamer. | ||
| Yeah, she fucking kills it. | ||
| Kills it. | ||
| A couple million dollars a month? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow! | |
| But see, boom, right here. | ||
| This is an ad that popped up. | ||
| This is an ad that pops up. | ||
| But she doesn't dictate what this ad is. | ||
| She has no say so what this ad is, right? | ||
| Yeah, but for a couple million dollars a month, I bet she doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| So this was a new thing in the platform that came to you, right? | ||
| Streaming in your underwear. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So for me, after nine years on Twitch, I was like, okay, I want to try something new. | ||
| So you're streaming your underwear now? | ||
| No, I'm streaming on YouTube. | ||
| You know, there are a couple people who told me to do hot tub streams. | ||
| Like, dude, can you stream in the hot tub? | ||
| I was like, you want to see my half-naked body? | ||
| Don't you see it enough when I'm fighting? | ||
| He goes, I think it'd be great to see you in the hot tub, man. | ||
| I'm like, ban and get him out of here now. | ||
| Put your pants on, sir. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So I switched over to YouTube. | ||
| That's been fun. | ||
| Been able to make content on there. | ||
| It's been great. | ||
| So this is a girl. | ||
| I like how the reverse angle. | ||
| The mirror? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| Everyone has that. | ||
| They have a mirror? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Doesn't everyone? | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| I get the attraction. | ||
| So that's the thing. | ||
| Now they have poker. | ||
| Everybody was complaining about poker because people would gamble on Twitch. | ||
| And people were like, give me your money and I'll gamble it. | ||
| And some people were like, oh, that shouldn't be allowed. | ||
| There's some people that say it should be allowed. | ||
| So all that, I was like, you know what? | ||
| I think I'm going to step away from Twitch. | ||
| I'm going to try YouTube. | ||
| And so far, YouTube's been great. | ||
| I've had a YouTube channel for a long time, but I've been trying to not post any MMA content. | ||
| I don't want to have any mixed martial arts, just because I want to be known for something else besides mixed martial arts. | ||
| So, I love YouTube because my channel's not dead when I'm not live. | ||
| I'm only monetizing when I'm live on Twitch. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| So people can go to your channel and watch the old videos. | ||
| Watch the old videos. | ||
| And the algorithm on YouTube is so much better than Twitch. | ||
| So if you're a small streamer on Twitch, you're never going to get discovered. | ||
| It's very, very, very, very hard. | ||
| Because there's so many people on it? | ||
| There's so many people and there's no algorithm to pick you up. | ||
| I switched to YouTube and people are like, I didn't even know you had a YouTube channel. | ||
| I didn't know you stream. | ||
| I'm like, I've been streaming for fucking nine years. | ||
| How do you not know I didn't stream? | ||
| And so then I read the comments and I comment back on the comments on the YouTube channel. | ||
| And then somebody says, oh my God, thank God for the algorithm because I would never find your channel. | ||
| When I see that, I'm like, Ah. | ||
| And then if I do a reaction video, people will send me stuff and I'll react it to fake martial arts. | ||
| And I'll sit there and just laugh about it and give my honest opinion about it. | ||
| And people love and eat it up. | ||
| And then it's still getting views and I'm still able to get ad revenue and the monetization on it. | ||
| So that's why I switched over to YouTube. | ||
| But it's all for a passion. | ||
| Like, I don't... | ||
| I'm not relying on that money to be... | ||
| To pay my bills. | ||
| Right, so you're not thinking of it as a job like you were doing with Twitch for a while. | ||
| Twitch, I was like, if I want to be good, I have to stream all the time. | ||
| YouTube is like, I stream when I want to, and then I do a couple reaction videos, leave it up there, and then when I'm not streaming right now, people are probably watching the YouTube video and be good. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, YouTube does have amazing algorithms. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And if you're doing something like that, it makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The problem with YouTube for what I do is there's a lot of censorship. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And especially when you talk about controversial things like, you know, COVID or anything along those lines. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They tried to cancel you, Joe! | ||
| YouTube didn't. | ||
| I was already gone. | ||
| I was already on Spotify, which Spotify is pretty great about that stuff. | ||
| But if you're a person and you get hit with a strike, like YouTube only has like three strikes, and they'll pull your whole fucking channel. | ||
| That's the hardest thing. | ||
| So that's the hardest thing I've been trying to get around is me being on YouTube. | ||
| It's like you can't play music. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Or to copyright, right? | ||
| So my brother, my long lost brother, I just met after 35 years on this planet. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Man, I don't know how much time we have, but we have a whole... | ||
| I just met my father five years ago, changed my life. | ||
| But my brother, he's a musician, and he does beats. | ||
| And so I reached out to him. | ||
| I was like, hey, dude, can you make me some synthwave music that I can play on my YouTube channel? | ||
| And so he's doing it, and he does pretty good beats. | ||
| And I like Synthwave. | ||
| Do you know what Synthwave is? | ||
| No. | ||
| Synthwave is kind of like an 80s, 90s rock action hero. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So it's kind of like that. | ||
| So he's making me beats. | ||
| That way I can play music when I'm streaming on- And it's not copyright. | ||
| It's not copyright. | ||
| I own the rights to it, right? | ||
| And on Twitch, you're allowed to play music? | ||
| No, same thing. | ||
| You can't either. | ||
| But when I streamed on Twitch, I didn't really care about it. | ||
| YouTube, they're way quicker to get it up. | ||
| It's a copyright change, no monetization, you're done. | ||
| So, Twitch, you can play music and you still get monetized. | ||
| You can still monetize the stream itself. | ||
| But yeah, I like YouTube. | ||
| It's fun so far. | ||
| Well, it's beautiful that you have so many different things you're doing, you know, that you do have options outside of fighting, because that is one of the biggest problems that athletes have when they retire from the sport. | ||
| You give so much of your life to this one individual thing, and then a lot of guys are really lost when it's over. | ||
| So it's very smart that you're planning with these businesses. | ||
| And by the way, these bars, we should tell people about them one more time. | ||
| Quantum Energy Square, they're very good. | ||
| They're really good. | ||
| It does have, like, healthy fats in it and caffeine, and they taste good, man. | ||
| Yep, and it's in all your, you know, we're also in REI, all Whole Foods. | ||
| These would be great to take on hikes and shit like that. | ||
| Yep, that's what I take when I go with the kids, and I'm out to eat out there. | ||
| So, it's good, and that's one of the things, I never want to be lost, right? | ||
| I never want to get lost, and that's why... | ||
| Even after my last fight, when I won, I was like, man, I did this wrong, I did this wrong, and then Matt was like, dude, you just became a fucking world champion at 36 years old, again, without me in your corner. | ||
| Like, let's take a step back and enjoy the moment, right? | ||
| And that's why I don't want to get lost in that. | ||
| I don't want to succumb to that ego, or you're the GOAT. It's like, hey, you know what? | ||
| We won. | ||
| How do we get to the endgame where our businesses thrive and they succeed, and I can ride out their sunset where they're like... | ||
| Man, why were you so successful? | ||
| And I was like, because I didn't put all my eggs. | ||
| I mean, I did, but I'm also branching out and doing different things. | ||
| Well, in two years, when you're done, come back on. | ||
| We'll celebrate the whole ride. | ||
| And hopefully you'll be balling out of control with these quantum energy squares. | ||
| Should I be like Jeff Like, look at DJ! I remember two years ago he was on the show, he's all jacked now! | ||
| On the sauce? | ||
| No, god no. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Never get on the sauce? | ||
| Never. | ||
| I don't need it. | ||
| How many people over in 1FC are on the sauce? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Seems like a couple. | ||
| Here's the thing about that. | ||
| I fought somebody on EPO. I didn't think TJ would ever take EBO. Well, he said he only took it because he was trying to make fly away. | ||
| 125, right? | ||
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| Which he did look like he was on death's door. | ||
| I still didn't want to believe he did it, right? | ||
| So if people are going to do it, they can do it. | ||
| Like, I talked to a buddy at my gym. | ||
| I say, he goes, do you think this guy is natural or not? | ||
| And I'm like, uh... | ||
| I think he naturally goes, he's not. | ||
| He came out and admitted he doesn't. | ||
| I'm like, oh man. | ||
| I would never do it. | ||
| And I've seen Matt. | ||
| He's still fast as hell. | ||
| Still trains. | ||
| Got biceps, got abs. | ||
| I mean, he's a freak of nature, but he doesn't do anything. | ||
| How old is Matt now? | ||
| Matt is 56 years old. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And he's still moving and still training. | ||
| And still sparring. | ||
| Still sparring. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Yeah, so I have something to look up to. | ||
| Is he really strict with his diet? | ||
| Yeah, but he's also just a freak of nature. | ||
| Like, I tell him, he's like, you're built like an 18-year-old. | ||
| Look at that back. | ||
| Look at him biceps. | ||
| But I think his biggest thing is that he travels so much, he doesn't have a time zone. | ||
| So I asked him, I was like, how do you feel? | ||
| At 56, he goes, if I get my sleep and my nutrition, I feel like I'm 22, 23. Wow. | ||
| But he's like, if I don't get my sleep, that's what hurts him the most. | ||
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| So there's gonna be a chance, one of these, I'm gonna beat him in sparring, and when it does, he's gonna be fucking dehydrated and lethargic. | ||
| And I'm like, now it's time. | ||
| Catch him jet-lagged. | ||
| Jet-lagged, I'm like... | ||
| And that was the thing, like... | ||
| That was my goal. | ||
| I want to be able to take three months off of sparring. | ||
| I just punched for the first time yesterday at the gym since my fight. | ||
| And I want to be able to take four months off coming to the gym. | ||
| I'm like, alright guys, you guys all been training MMA. This is how good you got in four months. | ||
| And I'm still beating them. | ||
| I'm like, just like Matt did to me when I was a kid. | ||
| That's the goal. | ||
| That is the goal. | ||
| Well, DJ, it's always a pleasure to see you, man, and it's a pleasure to watch you out there killing it. | ||
| I really, really appreciate it. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It's nice to see. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| You got a great attitude, man. | ||
| Enjoy the ride. | ||
| I will, man. | ||
| I will. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Tell everybody your social media so they can find you. | ||
| Yeah, social media on Instagram is Mighty, and Twitter is Mighty Mouse. | ||
| YouTube is Mighty Gaming. | ||
| And yeah, man, thanks for the support, Joe. | ||
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I truly appreciate it, man. | |
| My pleasure, brother. | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
| Thank you, baby. |
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