May 2, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| And we're rolling with the Blessed Express. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| My man. | ||
| Good to see you, my friend. | ||
| Good seeing you. | ||
| How's things? | ||
| Things are good, you know. | ||
| How's things with you? | ||
| I heard, like, pipes are busting and heat and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty wild out here a week ago. | ||
| And then it was 80 two days ago. | ||
| Doesn't make any sense. | ||
| So a week ago, it was frozen solid. | ||
| And then a week later, 80 degrees. | ||
| Mother Nature, she's cruel at some times. | ||
| Yeah, but well, Texas gets weather, you know? | ||
| It's very different than California. | ||
| With California, it never rains, and basically, like, once a year, you get a little bit of rain, and that's it. | ||
| Here, you get thunderstorms, and you get lightning, and, you know, and it gets cold as fuck sometimes. | ||
| But this was real unusual. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, once every 120 years or so. | ||
| I know, I was tripping out. | ||
| When I saw everything happening and then my agent, because last week he was supposed to come through, and he said, it's getting pushed back, it's getting pushed back. | ||
| And I was like, I look at the weather shit, I was like... | ||
| Texas don't ever get this kind of weather. | ||
| What the hell is going on? | ||
| I thought I was wrong. | ||
| I was like, do I not follow up with the weather in Texas? | ||
| Dude, it was crazy. | ||
| The roads, first of all, it was 32 degrees and raining. | ||
| So it's just at the time where it freezes, but not quite. | ||
| It didn't quite freeze. | ||
| And then it got really cold at night. | ||
| So all the roads were covered in ice everywhere. | ||
| Black ice. | ||
| I saw that one that got... | ||
| Like I had a hundred car pile up somewhere over here. | ||
| Yeah, I think that was near Dallas, right? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, so then snow laid on top of the ice and made it even slipperier. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Like no one could get anywhere. | ||
| It was wild. | ||
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Yeah, it was wild. | |
| So we just went to the supermarket, got food, and hunkered down the family. | ||
| We got lucky our power didn't go out, but a lot of our friends' power went out. | ||
| And so we just... | ||
| We just hung out in the house for seven days and just chilled. | ||
| I know the hotel that I was at when I first came in, I was just tripping out because I came from LA and Hawaii. | ||
| We got locked down and stuff. | ||
| And then I come walking in. | ||
| It's like, what was it? | ||
| 12 o'clock. | ||
| I got into the hotel last night. | ||
| And people are just raging. | ||
| They're just partying downstairs at the local bar. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| I was like, is this real life? | ||
| And then I talked to the guy at the front desk. | ||
| And then he was talking to me about the weather. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, crazy. | ||
| He was like, yeah, we was full pack. | ||
| He was like, we was so crazy. | ||
| We have generators and stuff. | ||
| So we still had hot water and electricity and all that stuff. | ||
| It came to a point where we only allowed people who were staying in the hotel to buy food from us and you only could order two stuff. | ||
| They were telling me crazy stuff about that. | ||
| Yeah, we had friends that their house went out so they got a room with the Four Seasons and they said it was two hours for room service. | ||
| And 4CZ is usually the best ever. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So that's crazy. | ||
| I know, and even with the rain and stuff, we were talking about that mushroom stuff, so it was just funny stories. | ||
| Yeah, they get weather here, but I've never experienced it like that here. | ||
| I've been coming here since 1999, and apparently all my friends who've lived here their whole lives, they've never seen anything like it. | ||
| It was just... | ||
| Random that it happened the first year I moved here. | ||
| I mean, maybe you bring the thunder. | ||
| Maybe you're like, Texas, get ready. | ||
| This is what the hell I'm bringing here. | ||
| Listen, as long as they get ready for it. | ||
| You know, I grew up in the cold. | ||
| I grew up in Massachusetts. | ||
| So, you know, as long as they have plows and they have salt and they know how to handle it, you could have snow. | ||
| So, this is Joe. | ||
| It's the day of Joe when this happens. | ||
| If I can simmer down everybody, get ready. | ||
| Let's just go down. | ||
| Well, I have a truck that's built for this shit, too. | ||
| I have a Land Cruiser. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| A 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser. | ||
| Like an apocalypse vehicle. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| With a 40-gallon gas tank and big tires. | ||
| And I talk about the two-football field bunker underneath your house wherever you live, right? | ||
| I need to get that. | ||
| That's probably my next move. | ||
| I need to get a ranch in some sort of sustainable environment. | ||
| It just seems like the more shit gets weird in the world, whether it's COVID or this or, you know, whatever could be next. | ||
| Like, you gotta have enough food and water so you can stay alive for a while. | ||
| Yeah, they said that. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| What is that show? | ||
| There's a show on TV, right? | ||
| Disaster people, whatever. | ||
| Preppers. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Apocalypse people. | ||
| Like, yeah, Doomsday Preppers. | ||
| That's what they call it. | ||
| And, like, what they have, like, they say it's like... | ||
| I think so. | ||
| The minimum is to have like one and a half to two years worth. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| Well, they have that dried. | ||
| I have some dried food for like hunting, like backpacking food, like, you know, like it's freeze dried or dehydrated. | ||
| I have some of that stuff that's in my house, too. | ||
| So if worse came to worse, we could eat that for a few months. | ||
| Yeah, you'll be alright. | ||
| I mean, you'll be alright. | ||
| You're like a caveman. | ||
| You're like a modern caveman that came from the moon or something. | ||
| So you'll be fine, Joe. | ||
| I watch all the stuff you do. | ||
| You'll be alright. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of deer in my neighborhood, too. | ||
| I got my eye on those motherfuckers. | ||
| Right now, they're just cute deer. | ||
| But if shit gets ugly, they're food. | ||
| Yo, Bambi, get over here. | ||
| There's a lot of them, though. | ||
| They're all over the place. | ||
| You might be helping. | ||
| You might be helping it out. | ||
| They might be infestive. | ||
| A lot of them froze to death. | ||
| Oh, for real? | ||
| Yeah, a lot of them froze to death. | ||
| My friend has a buddy who owns a ranch in South Texas, and they have this animal on there called a Neil guy. | ||
| Neil guy is an Asian animal. | ||
| I think it's from India. | ||
| It's a huge antelope, like the size of an elk. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| They found 63 of them frozen to death on his ranch. | ||
| So far, they're still finding them. | ||
| I know, before you came, I was talking to a security guard and... | ||
| And the other boy out there, and there was like, I was telling him, like, I saw a possum. | ||
| I saw a video, like, there's a video that goes viral, like, of a possum climbing up the fence, and he froze, like, in Texas somewhere, like, he froze on the fence. | ||
| And I was like, holy shit, that's how cold it gets, you know? | ||
| Like, people don't understand that this possum, and then we was talking about, does the possum live after it's unfrozen? | ||
| Because they know how to play, you know? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| There it is! | ||
| There it is! | ||
| Oh shit! | ||
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He's frozen! | |
| That's crazy with like... | ||
| He's frozen in the middle of climbing the fence covered in icicles. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| It looks like he got his leg stuck. | ||
| You see that? | ||
| Look at his right leg. | ||
| See how it's poked through? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he might have got his leg stuck and then it's too cold to figure out a way to get out of it. | ||
| Wow, that's dark. | ||
| How crazy, though? | ||
| But does it just, you know, like, they're like playing dead, you know? | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| No, not at all? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| No, he's dead. | ||
| He was telling us that, like, there's a study going around with, like, scorpions. | ||
| Like, they can be frozen and then, like, a week later you unfreeze them and they're alive. | ||
| That's the thing with frogs, too, right? | ||
| Didn't someone on the podcast explain that to us in the past about certain frogs? | ||
| They freeze to death and they thaw out and they're still alive. | ||
| It could have been David Blaine when he was talking about him in his stomach, but in Florida, all the lizards freeze and fall out of trees, and they come back to life. | ||
| Do they? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, and in Florida, you've got to be careful, because when it gets cold, iguanas will knock you out. | ||
| Yeah, it's like coconuts. | ||
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They fall out of trees and land. | |
| It's like coconuts. | ||
| It's like every time I'm at the beach, every time I'm at the beach with my boys and stuff, and we go by where the lifeguard, there's the lifeguards, and there's coconut trees, and I start sitting down, and then one of them said, Max, get the hell away from that. | ||
| I don't want to be the guy that's like, oh, he was hanging out with you when he got hit in the head with a coconut. | ||
| Do you know 150 people die every year from coconuts? | ||
| No. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| 150 people. | ||
| How much people die from iguanas? | ||
| I don't think a lot. | ||
| How long do you think a frog can last frozen? | ||
| Because it's a lot longer than a week. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Frozen solid? | ||
| We should get a frozen frog in here and do an experiment. | ||
| It's called a wood frog, if that helps. | ||
| I'm going to say three months. | ||
| Max? | ||
| I'm going to go much longer than a week, he said. | ||
| I'm going to go maybe eight months. | ||
| Seven months. | ||
| Seven months frozen solid! | ||
| It says Alaska, they go down to as low as zero degrees. | ||
| They're frozen, and then when spring arrives, they thaw out and hop away. | ||
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Jeez! | |
| What? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Animals is weird, bro. | ||
| Nature finds a way, man. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta adapt. | ||
| They've been like, frogs probably some dinosaurs. | ||
| They've been around a long time. | ||
| Yeah, so they're like, oh, fuck these guys. | ||
| Even like cockroaches. | ||
| Have you ever seen those things called tardigrades? | ||
| Do you know what a tardigrade is? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It's this tiny little... | ||
| Call them something bears, too, right? | ||
| It's a tiny little microscopic animal that looks like an alien, and they can survive in space. | ||
| They can survive anywhere. | ||
| So these things, they could literally go to the moon if they were attached to a rocket. | ||
| Water bears. | ||
| Water bear. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Show Max a photo of them. | ||
| But they can survive in space. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| They look like they're from space. | ||
| They do. | ||
| Look at that picture right there. | ||
| That doesn't even look real. | ||
| If that was in a Dune movie and it was chasing people, look at its mouth. | ||
| That looks like in Avengers. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| When they came down and the thing was flying the ship, that's what it looks like. | ||
| That's exactly what it looks like. | ||
| Look at that fucking thing. | ||
| That's a real creature. | ||
| How big is it? | ||
| It's very, very small. | ||
| Like, I don't even think you could see it. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It's microscopic, right? | ||
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Correct. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But they can survive in space. | ||
| How'd they find out that they survived in space? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| 0.5 millimeters, so a half a millimeter. | ||
| So you kind of can see it. | ||
| You just barely. | ||
| Yeah, but you don't see how crazy looking they are. | ||
| How does a tardigrade survive in space? | ||
| Because that was the thought that they could hitch a ride on an asteroid or on, you know, they could hitch a ride on a... | ||
| No, that's how they came here. | ||
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Probably. | |
| We went to the moon. | ||
| They saw Neil Armstrong's damn shoe. | ||
| It's like, I'm going with this. | ||
| I'm out of here. | ||
| This is boring. | ||
| What the hell is this? | ||
| Pitch a rat on his foot. | ||
| Yeah, and they're just like, sending information back up. | ||
| They're like, yeah, these motherfuckers are stupid. | ||
| You know, that's one of the theories of how life came to Earth. | ||
| It's called panspermia. | ||
| They think that life came to Earth on an asteroid, and that asteroids contained the building blocks, like amino acids and stuff. | ||
| The building blocks of life came from other planets and landed here, and then the process of life began. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| It's a wild theory. | ||
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I mean, what do you believe? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It's whatever you believe, so I don't know. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| Well, you live in Hawaii, which is a really interesting place, right? | ||
| Because there's a lot of non-native animals that have been introduced to Hawaii, like pigs and a lot of weird birds and a lot of weird rodents and plants and all kinds of shit. | ||
| We got the weird thing that we think is a wallaby. | ||
| You guys have wallabies now? | ||
| Yeah, how crazy is that, right? | ||
| From Australia? | ||
| You don't see them, but they're little kangaroos, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have wallabies on our... | ||
| And it's like, how the fuck did you get here? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But they're not like crazy. | ||
| They're like, you're out and you see it. | ||
| They're very mysterious. | ||
| They pop up here and there when people are hiking in the mountains. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| But it's like a wallaby, bro. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I don't know how they travel there. | ||
| Maybe they... | ||
| I mean, Australia is and surfing and whatever. | ||
| They just jump out. | ||
| I'm out of here. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Probably somebody had it as a pet, if I had to guess. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| You hear of a bunch of illegal pets that people have in Hawaii. | ||
| It's just mind-blowing. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| I heard stories of people having gorillas and shit. | ||
| What? | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| Gorillas? | ||
| Yeah, how the hell do you have this? | ||
| I don't know if people bullshit. | ||
| I never saw them. | ||
| People could be bullshit, but I'm not going to put it past that. | ||
| I saw more crazier stuff. | ||
| Well, it seems like they would survive in the jungle if they could get out there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, they just eat plants. | ||
| There's so much greenery in Hawaii. | ||
| Depends on what island, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What island did they see a gorilla? | ||
| They were saying on the island we live on. | ||
| On a wild one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It wasn't a wild one. | ||
| It was like a pet. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| A pet person. | ||
| Somebody catching them with pets. | ||
| I might be snitching on someone. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| Well, I think they're trying to limit people's ability to own primates in America. | ||
| I'm sure you heard about that story about the lady in Connecticut who kept a pet chimpanzee and then attacked her friend and tore her face off. | ||
| No, I did not. | ||
| It's a crazy story because this lady kind of had a relationship with this chimp. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| What kind of relationship are we talking about? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| Yeah, she was sleeping in the bed with this chimp. | ||
| The chimp drank wine and took Xanax. | ||
| She was feeding the chimp Xanax. | ||
| And the lady's friend came over and the chimp attacked the lady's friend. | ||
| Is it a guy? | ||
| No, a woman. | ||
| A woman friend? | ||
| I think the lady was probably cock-blocking, and the chimp was like, fuck all this, and just tore her apart. | ||
| I mean, I shouldn't be laughing, but that's wild. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| It was a big chimp, too. | ||
| They're smart. | ||
| They say we evolution from those guys. | ||
| You see what the scientists are doing with these chimps, or gorillas, or whatever they do. | ||
| These guys are smart. | ||
| You can talk to them. | ||
| They talk back. | ||
| Some of them know sign language. | ||
| Why are you trying to mess with that? | ||
| Have you not seen Planet of the Apes? | ||
| I'm sure there are three movies of it. | ||
| Come on, guys. | ||
| Let's relax. | ||
| Someone in the future could do something like that. | ||
| Take a chimp and genetically engineer it to make it almost as smart as a person or as smart as a person. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if someone's already doing it. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| He's eating her. | ||
| Shoot him. | ||
| Scream the chimp's owner. | ||
| Yeah, he was a huge chimp and he tore her face apart. | ||
| I think he bit her fingers off. | ||
| Did that woman survive? | ||
| She was torn apart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, don't show me the pictures of the lady. | ||
| I have seen them. | ||
| They're awful. | ||
| They're crazy? | ||
| Yeah, because chimps are different than other animals. | ||
| They know what you like. | ||
| They know that you need your hands, and they know that you like your balls. | ||
| They know that you need your feet. | ||
| Those are one of the things that they attack. | ||
| They attack your face. | ||
| They tear your face apart. | ||
| They pull your eyes out. | ||
| They bite your fingers off. | ||
| They tear your dick off, and they tear your feet off. | ||
| I know, that's just nuts. | ||
| I'm laughing because I'm just blown away. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they're smart. | ||
| They're super smart. | ||
| Like, there's fucking movies on this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's people who's doing it, you know? | ||
| Like, there's going to come a time they're saying, like, you know, like, modern warfare and stuff is, like, true, like, Wi-Fi and shit. | ||
| We're going to have wars and whatever. | ||
| And then the next thing is, like, I hear robots and shit, but what is it to do is just... | ||
| You just fucking start breeding crazy silverbacks and chimps and whatever. | ||
| And then you make them, like... | ||
| I don't know, you make a chip that makes them somewhat human, they can talk and this and that, and you send them off to war. | ||
| Put some kind of helmet on them that has some interface, like some computer interface with a chimp's brain, and you have some helmet where they can see things, like infrared and night vision and shit. | ||
| Elon Musk says his startup Neuralink... | ||
| Ah, fucking, they got us with this goddamn... | ||
| You gotta shut that adblocker off, son. | ||
| You gotta just give in to the network. | ||
| Elon Musk says his startup Neuralink has wired up a monkey to play video games using its mind. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| See? | ||
| He's already ahead. | ||
| He's already ahead. | ||
| You fucking watch Iron Man? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You watch Iron Man? | ||
| Iron Man played both sides, too, at one point, you know? | ||
| I fucking... | ||
| Elon was in the fucking Iron Man, one of them, so I don't know. | ||
| Well, he's creating this Neuralink thing. | ||
| Yeah, I saw it. | ||
| You know that? | ||
| They're going to put wires into people's brains. | ||
| And he told me that you're going to be able to talk with no words. | ||
| To your mind? | ||
| He's going to be able to, like, you and I could sit here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We're going to have a conversation with no words. | ||
| I mean, you can kind of do that with, like, the love of your life sometimes, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, like you know each other. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| But I think you're gonna be able to have like full conversations. | ||
| Fucking Elon, he's something else. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's probably one of those freaking parasites that jumped on the stuff on one of the guys from the moon. | ||
| They came back and he just evolutionized himself. | ||
| He just kept growing. | ||
| He's like, what is this amino acid? | ||
| What is this? | ||
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What is this? | |
| Oh. | ||
| Take that, Jim's brain. | ||
| Definitely the most likely candidate for an alien living amongst us. | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| You see the kind of stuff. | ||
| How do you think of that? | ||
| Not only that, how does he do multiple different things like that? | ||
| Multiple, yeah. | ||
| He's got Starlink, so he's creating a whole network of satellites that can give high-speed internet to the whole world. | ||
| Then, he's got SpaceX. | ||
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SpaceX. | |
| He's flying rockets, and the boosters can come back and land. | ||
| You could reuse them quickly. | ||
| Then he's got Tesla, the fastest, most ridiculously advanced cars that anybody's ever created, ever. | ||
| And then he's got the boring company that builds these tunnels underneath the earth, and you're going to shoot people from fucking Vegas to Los Angeles. | ||
| And then he's got Hyperlink, where he's got He's got so much shit going on. | ||
| And then he got like kids around that he's trying to show that they don't need to be in school. | ||
| So they're just fucking doing shit and whatever. | ||
| And then he got like, he got all kind of... | ||
| Well, he's been saying a lot lately that you don't need a college education. | ||
| You don't need to. | ||
| I mean, did he go to college? | ||
| I believe he did. | ||
| Do they have college on Mars? | ||
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No. | |
| He'll start it up there. | ||
| I'm going to try to get you to spill some beans on Elon. | ||
| He went to college, but what he's saying is essentially you could have a bachelor's education, a bachelor's degree, and still be a moron. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Just because, I mean... | ||
| I know some guys that I met some people in my life where they're like smart, just book smart, just crazy. | ||
| But common sense, motherfuckers don't know. | ||
| Like there's this one kid, like he was like a valedictorian. | ||
| He has like a 4.8 GPA, blah, blah. | ||
| He gets into a car accident. | ||
| He bangs, he ends up on top of his neighbor's yard and he runs away from the car. | ||
| Not knowing like there's your name in the car, there's everything. | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| I'm like, come on, bro. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Some people panic. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When you panic, your brain don't work so well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the thing with fighting, too, right? | ||
| That's probably why some guys are really good at the gym, where there's no panic. | ||
| You know each other real well. | ||
| They spar. | ||
| They move real good. | ||
| But then the panic of a fight limits. | ||
| Yeah, it's them lights. | ||
| Yeah, them lights. | ||
| I mean, you hear about it all the time. | ||
| I'm sure you heard about it a hundred million times. | ||
| This guy's like, oh my god, this guy's a killer. | ||
| He's a freaking killer. | ||
| And then when you go out there, everybody's looking at you and like, I thought he was a killer. | ||
| What the hell does killer go? | ||
| I knew a guy like that in jujitsu. | ||
| When I was a blue belt, there was this kid who was a black belt. | ||
| And man, he was fucking good. | ||
| But he would panic in tournaments. | ||
| And it didn't make any sense. | ||
| Like, you would roll with him and he would just have his way with people. | ||
| He was so good, so talented. | ||
| And my instructor was really high on this guy. | ||
| He's like, man, I'm telling you, if you could just get your head together. | ||
| And I was like, what's wrong with his head? | ||
| And they were like, oh, when he competes, he panics. | ||
| I'm like, he's so good. | ||
| And it's just jujitsu. | ||
| It's not even getting hit. | ||
| But for whatever reason, when he would get out there, he just couldn't perform. | ||
| And he would fall apart. | ||
| He'd get tired real easy. | ||
| It was like when the pandemic first happened. | ||
| And then UFC continued to do fights for us. | ||
| And I was telling everybody, you can find out who the real fighters is right now. | ||
| Because some people, some real fighters can't. | ||
| Some guys, they're showmen. | ||
| And they need that crowd. | ||
| And they need the let's go. | ||
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Blah, blah, blah. | |
| I told myself, this is like an Alley Street fight now. | ||
| No one's there. | ||
| You're going to fight the blood. | ||
| You're going to fight who's the true blood. | ||
| The guys that... | ||
| Bloodsport or kickboxer where you got the glass on top of your knuckles. | ||
| This is what it is. | ||
| You find those guys right now. | ||
| And we got to. | ||
| You see who needs a crowd. | ||
| Because there are some guys that do need a crowd. | ||
| When they get wobbled, they're like, no, don't go in. | ||
| Or that Rocky thing. | ||
| Let's go, Rocky. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Versus the guy's like, fuck your cheerleading ass. | ||
| This is a fight. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I always told everybody, I don't care if I'm fighting in front of 100,000 people. | ||
| I don't care if I'm on the side of an alleyway. | ||
| If Dana White signs me and makes sure that there's a lot of zeros at the end of that contract, and I'm not going to jail after it's all said and done, we can fight in the alleyway. | ||
| And that's what it was. | ||
| We was fighting, well, had some high-power sheiks. | ||
| I mean, when I walked out, it was like 10 sheiks. | ||
| One of them was in a gold freaking thing. | ||
| I was like, holy shit. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, the first one with the first fight out and I went. | ||
| I had like 10 sheiks right there. | ||
| I was like, oh. | ||
| It's wild being over there, right? | ||
| Must be guys or something. | ||
| You know, the amount of money those guys have, it's not really registered. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| When they talk about like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world, like... | ||
| Probably not really. | ||
| Yeah, the richest man in the world on paper. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because there's some guys, you know, let's go look at El Chapo's stuff, you know? | ||
| Like, where's El Chapo? | ||
| But then there are guys with the oil, though. | ||
| I think El Chapo was actually on Forbes 500 list at one point in time. | ||
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For real? | |
| Yeah, that's one of the reasons why he was kind of getting in trouble. | ||
| Yeah, of the money they did know, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They did know. | ||
| Well, the people that I know that study the cartel, that really understand the cartel, that work with the Mexican government, they said there's a lot of guys that are way more prominent, but they keep low-key. | ||
| Oh, yeah, because they don't want to be like Escobar or Pablo Escobar or any of these guys that become famous. | ||
| He's like, that's not what you do. | ||
| The smart guys, they stay low-key. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And then they run everything from the shadows. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| But that's what they do. | ||
| And then they get guys like that, so... | ||
| That's a little bit of their fortune. | ||
| They're like, okay, let that take the heat while we're still doing our work over here getting whatever we're doing, you know? | ||
| But like these royal families, they don't have to disclose their income. | ||
| They don't have to. | ||
| So it's not the same thing as being like stockholders in Tesla or whatever it is that makes, you know, on paper Jeff Bezos look very wealthy. | ||
| These guys don't have to do that. | ||
| So according to people that I know and you know, they're like, these motherfuckers are way richer than anybody else. | ||
| Oh yeah, they don't give a shit. | ||
| I mean, um... | ||
| I was talking to some stories about when Khabib went there and they fought the Dustin fight. | ||
| And then the kids, they said they don't care if they're wearing the robes and stuff. | ||
| They don't care if they're a janitor. | ||
| You let them do whatever they want to do. | ||
| So they're just running in the cage. | ||
| I guess I had kids and stuff running in the cage and they couldn't touch them. | ||
| They were like, you don't touch these guys. | ||
| Something's going to happen to you if you touch them. | ||
| So I was like, oh, that's pretty insane. | ||
| Yeah, well, they run things differently over there. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they shut down the fucking whole island for us, so I'm pretty sure it's a lot different over there. | ||
| But on the other side of the flip side of it, I'm so happy that the UFC did that, because that's how you get international fighters, because there's no other way to get international fighters to put that island together, and I'm so happy that they put together the first fight in Florida, the first event with no audience. | ||
| I'm like, I fucking love that they had the balls to do that. | ||
| I mean, I do too. | ||
| Many UFC fighters, you know, they don't... | ||
| UFC is all they have. | ||
| They're not really at that point where they're like, oh, I'm going to start branching off and do this and this and this. | ||
| A lot of them is just like, this is UFC. All I know is fighting. | ||
| So, him giving us the opportunity. | ||
| And then you got to see... | ||
| And then you got to see a bunch of guys who really are fighters. | ||
| They're fighting once every two weeks now. | ||
| And it's like, fuck, good for you. | ||
| Go make your name, get your name out there, this and that. | ||
| Even with all the heat that UFC was getting, or even Dana, that little FU video was pretty cool to see when he came out with it. | ||
| Yeah, and see, in the beginning they were getting heat, but after a while, everybody did it. | ||
| They all did it. | ||
| Bellator did it. | ||
| They were talking shit. | ||
| NFL did it. | ||
| NBA did it. | ||
| MLB is doing it now. | ||
| They jumped way ahead of everybody. | ||
| They tested everybody. | ||
| They did it safe. | ||
| I mean, you got to, in anything, in sport or even in business, got to be a guy who's crazy enough to do it at first. | ||
| Elon Musk, he was telling everybody about Tesla, about SpaceX, and they all looked at him like, you're a jackass, you know? | ||
| He's like, you're a jackass. | ||
| You can look at this. | ||
| And then he sold his PayPal. | ||
| He went bank. | ||
| He pretty much went broke. | ||
| He dropped all his money into SpaceX and his store. | ||
| And then he had to ask his friends, his rich friends. | ||
| And only a couple of his rich friends were like, yeah, you know what? | ||
| I'll give you this much. | ||
| And look what happened. | ||
| You need one crazy guy to do it. | ||
| And then everything starts to fall in place. | ||
| He almost went bust as early as, as recent as 2018. Yeah. | ||
| 2018, he almost sold Tesla to Apple. | ||
| What? | ||
| I didn't hear that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I was reading some article about that. | ||
| Did you read about that, Jamie? | ||
| Apple was trying to buy them. | ||
| I don't know how close they got, but yeah. | ||
| I think they got pretty close. | ||
| I think they got pretty close. | ||
| I don't remember what the holdup was. | ||
| I mean, when you got Apple trying to buy something, then you know I got a fucking great idea. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Thank you for doubling it down on me. | ||
| I'm not stepping to you, Apple. | ||
| I'm doing this. | ||
| If you want to buy me, I know I got something. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I'm going to hang in there. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| When you first started, when the pandemic, first of all, did you get COVID at all? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| No, did you? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| I've been around a lot of people that got it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I was just smart about it. | ||
| I was staying home. | ||
| Fell back in love with playing video games. | ||
| I was just acting about when you're playing video games. | ||
| I'm streaming on Facebook Gaming now. | ||
| So I've just been home, bro. | ||
| I've been loving it. | ||
| You're a video game fiend. | ||
| I love video games, bro. | ||
| I love Modern Warfare right now. | ||
| The Call of Duty Warzone is like the crazy thing right now. | ||
| And then being who I am and what I do, I get to play with some big time players. | ||
| So it's just... | ||
| It's fucking exciting, man. | ||
| So do you get to play with professional gamers? | ||
| Yeah, some professional gamers. | ||
| I got this, my man named Tommy. | ||
| I got to, I don't know if you know Nick Merce, Tim the Fat Man. | ||
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No. | |
| Tim the Fat Man. | ||
| Tim the Tap Man. | ||
| I got that Tim. | ||
| Tim, I'm sorry, Tim. | ||
| That's a clip. | ||
| I'm sorry, Tim. | ||
| Tim the Tatman, but I got to play some games with some big up guys and they just trip out like, oh, you playing with these guys? | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And it's just fun. | ||
| How good are you? | ||
| I'm alright. | ||
| They like to gas me. | ||
| I don't know how good I really am. | ||
| I like to think I'm pretty good, but they like to gas me up. | ||
| They're like, holy shit, you're probably the best, like... | ||
| Player that plays sports, that celebrity that plays sports, that actually play the games. | ||
| As good as you are at fighting, that doesn't surprise me. | ||
| That doesn't surprise me at all. | ||
| I would imagine you can get that good at anything you do. | ||
| I mean, you guys can put your, you know, just, it's like you, you know, you just gotta put your mind to it, I think, you know, and I had a freaking, a lot, I had a year and so to put my mind to that to a point where my fiance is, like, threatening me, like, get the fuck out of the games, you need to do shit. | ||
| I'm like, I'm sorry, baby. | ||
| Yeah, it can get absorbed. | ||
| Like, what are you doing, like, eight hours a day, that kind of shit? | ||
| Oh, bro, like, when the first game... | ||
| Is this you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, look at this. | ||
| Look at Max. | ||
| This game is wild. | ||
| This game is so fun. | ||
| Oh, my God, it looks fun. | ||
| So fun. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| They need an anti-cheat, though. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Come on, Raven Software. | ||
| Get your anti-cheat out. | ||
| Oh, is it cheats? | ||
| Yeah, bro. | ||
| People fucking... | ||
| Fucking Jackie Chan's and Bruce Lee's. | ||
| There's always a problem with video games and bots, right? | ||
| Where dudes figure out a way at aiming bots and all kinds of different cheats where they can see through walls. | ||
| Is that what they're doing? | ||
| Yeah, wall hacks. | ||
| So how do they stop something like that? | ||
| Do they have to just update the code? | ||
| There's like the Waven software, they got to do that. | ||
| I think it's coding. | ||
| Coding? | ||
| Yeah, I know on a console, when you get caught cheating, they can pretty much... | ||
| Ban your console from ever going online again, you know like that kind of stuff and then like that's why PC gaming is super hard with it, but I saw like uh What is that counter-strike? | ||
| I saw a counter-strike. | ||
| They got the funniest game How to catch cheaters like you go around a corner you start start shooting like you start dropping all your weapons and stuff It's so funny. | ||
| It's like oh my god like Call of Duty needs some of that So, explain what happens? | ||
| The person who's cheating, they start dropping their weapons? | ||
| Yeah, so there's a place in the map in Counter-Strike that it said... | ||
| I was just looking up how the software worked, that's why. | ||
| And I think so, it was Counter-Strike, but there's a place in the map where he goes around the corner, he starts to shoot, and your weapons just get thrown out, like you're throwing your weapon down, or it keeps getting... | ||
| have to reload, like it just keeps doing an animation where it just fucks with you in the game. | ||
| Oh, so that's only... | ||
| 2 for cheaters. | ||
| 2 for cheaters, yeah. | ||
| So they have it set up so that if you are a cheater and you get to this spot on the map, you just go haywire. | ||
| Yeah, they see the software. | ||
| It's so cool. | ||
| I was like, I mean, Call of Duty needs that. | ||
| Imagine getting in a gunfight and you fucking just drop your weapon. | ||
| It'd be so funny. | ||
| Well, Counter-Strike, correct me if I'm wrong, it started with Half-Life, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Half-Life is a wild game. | ||
| You ever play Half-Life? | ||
| No, I haven't ever. | ||
| Half-Life is a cool... | ||
| Just the game game is cool. | ||
| It's about some scientists that are... | ||
| They're doing this experiment and they open up a portal to another dimension. | ||
| It's an old game. | ||
| Like, what year was that? | ||
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2000? | |
| Half-Life 3, they've been asking to come out for almost 20 years now. | ||
| So, like, it's an old... | ||
| Really? | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| I'm getting... | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Because I remember getting Half-Life 2 when I was in college. | ||
| It was just like 2004-05. | ||
| And then Half-Life 3 has not come out yet, so... | ||
| Well, I remember when I was playing Quake, a lot of guys went over and started playing Counter-Strike, which is the multiplayer version of Half-Life. | ||
| So it doesn't have all the monsters and the different dimensions and stuff, but it has all the conventional weapons. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Quake is like a different game. | ||
| Yeah, you played Quake. | ||
| You was hard. | ||
| I remember the first time I came here, you was telling me like, yeah, you had to turn it off or you was going to be like single and stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, when we set up at the old studio in LA, Jamie and I and Jeff, we started playing every day. | ||
| And we were playing five hours a fucking day. | ||
| And it became a real problem. | ||
| Hey, babe. | ||
| Today we're going in. | ||
| We got this person coming in. | ||
| And it's this last minute. | ||
| You don't fucking work on Saturdays. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
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There's a thing. | |
| I gotta take care of. | ||
| There's a network issue. | ||
| I gotta go down there. | ||
| We were playing so much. | ||
| But I started getting good again. | ||
| That's when it gets dangerous. | ||
| That's why you get dated because you start winning. | ||
| And you start kicking ass. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, and then you start... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The funniest thing about Call of Duty is... | ||
| This is Quake. | ||
| Oh, this is dope. | ||
| This is so much faster-paced. | ||
| It's like some Halo shit, yeah. | ||
| It's so fast-paced. | ||
| That's the thing about it. | ||
| It's so adrenaline-fueled that as you're playing this game, your adrenaline just gets so jacked up. | ||
| Yeah, it's like destiny. | ||
| And I would leave and my hands would be shaking. | ||
| My heart would be racing. | ||
| I'd be like, what? | ||
| I feel terrible. | ||
| You went to a fucking workout, yeah. | ||
| But it wasn't a workout, because after a workout, you feel good. | ||
| After this game, I would feel really fucked up. | ||
| What am I doing with my life? | ||
| I would feel like that. | ||
| I realize it's an addiction. | ||
| It is really fun, but I just get addicted too easy. | ||
| Yeah, I have a super addicting personality, my coach would tell me. | ||
| He always told me, because I don't drink and stuff, I did a little bit, but he always told me, Max, Don't get into drinking. | ||
| I was like, why? | ||
| I can't control myself. | ||
| He's like, no, motherfucker. | ||
| You listen here. | ||
| You're a dick. | ||
| You're an addict. | ||
| You're just going to get something. | ||
| You're just going to keep on wanting to push it to the limit. | ||
| That's what you are with fighting. | ||
| That's why you got so good at fighting. | ||
| You know who told me that? | ||
| BJ Penn. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, BJ Penn was telling me once that he was talking to this friend of his, and this friend of his, he's like, how long you been doing jiu-jitsu? | ||
| And he's like, three years. | ||
| I'm trying to get my black belt like you in three years, and this and that. | ||
| And he's like, oh man, you're really into jiu-jitsu? | ||
| And he goes, no, no, no. | ||
| He goes, I'm addicted! | ||
| He goes, just like you, BJ. And then BJ said, oh shit. | ||
| And then I realized, like, I'm a fucking addict. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He goes, I just got addicted to jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I got addicted to something good. | ||
| We were laughing. | ||
| But he's like, he was just realizing, like, I was addicted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm addicted to jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Yeah, it's just personality. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's just, like I said, on the Call of Duty game, the fun thing is there's a... | ||
| When you kill them, you can hear them. | ||
| Kill comms. | ||
| So you hear their opponents that you kill. | ||
| The funniest one is like, you fucking cheater! | ||
| You're a fucking hacker! | ||
| They just start swearing at you. | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| And that gets addicting. | ||
| You love hearing people talking shit. | ||
| Well, you could do that in Quake too, but we would do that sometimes. | ||
| We would set up microphones and talk to each other, but I kind of like it when you don't hear them. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| Yeah, I'd rather not hear anybody. | ||
| I love hearing, I love talking shit. | ||
| At the ending of it, if you come first place, and the guy's second place, if they stay to the ending stuff, you can kind of talk. | ||
| There's a little chat time to talk to each other. | ||
| Oh, people get so salty in it. | ||
| They get so mad, man. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I'm here for it. | ||
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People get very emotional about video games, man. | |
| One of my friends is like, go back to the lobby. | ||
| You suck. | ||
| I was like, go back to the lobby. | ||
| Go back to the lobby. | ||
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It's so funny. | |
| I'm like, bro, people think this is way too serious, but it's a good time. | ||
| Have you ever fucked with Oculus Rift or any of those virtual reality games? | ||
| Actually, talking about it, it's weird. | ||
| Oculus is actually going to send me something. | ||
| You see Dana White's old ass. | ||
| He's huffing and puffing his hair. | ||
| He's like, these guys, it's not an ad. | ||
| I'm really saying this for myself. | ||
| He's all tired. | ||
| And then I wrote to him. | ||
| And Oculus wrote to me after they sent me. | ||
| They actually wrote to me. | ||
| And I replied to them, and they said they're going to send me one, so I'm excited. | ||
| They're very good. | ||
| You can get a good workout in with those boxing games. | ||
| They're cool, too. | ||
| Because when you get hit, you see a flash of light. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the screen lights up. | ||
| Like you see the boxing glove come at you, and a light flashes. | ||
| Like you got hit, so you feel like, oh shit, I got hit. | ||
| I mean, it's funny watching those videos, you know, the reaction videos of the kids playing the games, and they're like running towards you. | ||
| And they're running into their screen, or they jump in. | ||
| Look at Dana. | ||
| Look at Dana's tight. | ||
| It's huffing and puffing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Look, he's so tired. | ||
| I don't think he does any cardio. | ||
| I think Dana just does, like, chest and bi's. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| And maybe micro-dosing something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Micro-dosing? | ||
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What? | |
| You mean, like, testosterone? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| He's stacked. | ||
| Yeah, he's getting large. | ||
| But I think all he does is lift weights, mostly. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah, I don't think he's into cardio. | ||
| I mean, I saw him do pull-ups one. | ||
| He killed it on his pull-ups. | ||
| Yeah, he kills his pull-ups, right? | ||
| He's a strong dude. | ||
| He's super strong. | ||
| And he's a boxer, right? | ||
| Didn't he do boxing? | ||
| Yeah, he boxed a lot, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We need to get him in the celebrity fight or something. | ||
| Do you remember when he was supposed to fight Tito Ortiz? | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| Yeah, but what happened? | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what went wrong there. | ||
| How do you think it would have went? | ||
| Dan's a good boxer, man. | ||
| Yeah, he's pretty good. | ||
| If it's a fight, Tito Ortiz is going to take him down and smash him. | ||
| Tito's a fucking... | ||
| No, no, it's going to be a boxing man. | ||
| Tito's a fucking gorilla. | ||
| But did you see... | ||
| He's a big guy, Tito. | ||
| Yeah, Tito is huge. | ||
| But do you not see all these crazy boxing fights and MMA guys fighting? | ||
| Do you not see... | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Frank Muir is fighting an actual champion boxer. | ||
| Antonio Tarver. | ||
| The guy who knocked out Roy Jones Jr. Yeah, he's fighting a beast. | ||
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Tarver is fucking good. | |
| Once I saw him, I was like, bro, I was like... | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Let the boxers of MMA fight boxers in boxing. | ||
| Antonio Tarver, Frank Muir to box on Jake Paul, Ben Askren cards. | ||
| Look, Frank Muir, he's a gangster. | ||
| He doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| He'll fight anybody. | ||
| I mean, Frank Muir's been around for a long time. | ||
| Frank, if you're watching, take the point deduction, do a Grammy roll into a heel hook and just crack it one time. | ||
| You take it. | ||
| Yeah, if you wanted to. | ||
| Yeah, if you wanted to, that's a wrap. | ||
| All you have to do is leg kick him once. | ||
| Take the one point, whatever it is. | ||
| Take the one point. | ||
| Just hit him with one calf kick. | ||
| Oh, I didn't know. | ||
| Oh, I so forgot. | ||
| I'm just in this mode, you know? | ||
| Or one oblique kick to the knee. | ||
| Oh, whoops. | ||
| It slipped my mind. | ||
| I'm just fighting. | ||
| I've been fighting him my whole life. | ||
| I can't help myself. | ||
| I elbow in the clinch. | ||
| I don't mean to. | ||
| One, you take the one point. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, no one wants to fight MMA. That's what's interesting. | ||
| Like, the only one who ever had the balls to do it was James Toney. | ||
| He's the only guy that ever stepped in. | ||
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And he did it. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And he did it, and I respect the man. | ||
| But, uh... | ||
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I ran into James. | |
| Randy Couture, a G for doing that. | ||
| Just a single. | ||
| Real low single. | ||
| Tripped him. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Low single. | ||
| Got him down. | ||
| Arm triangled him. | ||
| I ran into James Tony afterwards, like a week later at the gas station. | ||
| Yeah, what happened? | ||
| He lived near my house. | ||
| I used to run into him all the time. | ||
| Yeah, what'd he say? | ||
| He's like, hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| Hey, he took it. | ||
| Most guys would be like, you're not standing up with me. | ||
| But he knew he was getting into a fight fight, you know? | ||
| Well, I think the way James looked at it, it's like, look, his hands are better than anybody that's ever fought in the UFC. All he has to do is land one shot. | ||
| That's everybody's. | ||
| That's all they're thinking. | ||
| All they're thinking of boxers coming over is like, Okay, yeah, you can take me down, but if I land that uppercut when you step in or something, you're gonna die. | ||
| Like Derrick Lewis, you know? | ||
| Like Derrick Lewis. | ||
| Like, look at that. | ||
| That was... | ||
| But Derrick Lewis is an MMA fighter. | ||
| Yeah, he knows how to distance yourself and whatever, you know? | ||
| But T-Butt is a... | ||
| Terrence Crawford, he was a wrestler in Omaha. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And his sons all wrestle too. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| They wrestle right now. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| T-Bud is so complex. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| He can switch stances. | ||
| He's a switch fighter. | ||
| Just as good from Southpaw as Orthodox. | ||
| And he got power power. | ||
| If anybody wanted to fight in MMA and fuck people up, it would be him. | ||
| I think it would be him, yeah. | ||
| But he's making so much money in boxing, why would he do that? | ||
| Yeah, why? | ||
| Yeah, why? | ||
| Did you not just see, like, someone in boxing? | ||
| Did you see, like, Timo Fio Lopez, just what bid they got from Triller? | ||
| It's just stupid money. | ||
| What did he get? | ||
| The bid was, like, $6.2 million on the fight that he got coming up. | ||
| Real? | ||
| Yeah, and he's getting, like, 70 or 60-something percent. | ||
| Yeah, he's getting, like, $4 million, I think, from it. | ||
| It's like, that's what's up. | ||
| Listen, man, that guy beat the guy who everybody was saying, He was going to smash him. | ||
| I was just telling everybody, I think knockout, it's all Lopez, but if it goes to the decision, it's going to be Loma. | ||
| And then he goes out there and just does what he does. | ||
| Smashes. | ||
| You know what it was? | ||
| He put him in so much danger. | ||
| T-Femo has so much power. | ||
| So much. | ||
| And you can see, you know, everybody, like, I'm a big, uh, I'm a big, uh, stuff fan, you know, uh, what is his name? | ||
| Matrix. | ||
| I'm a big fan of him, but at the end of the day, it's like, everybody's like, oh, he's so, like, he had an injury or something. | ||
| He had surgery after, but it's like... | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| He knows how to win. | ||
| He's a fighter. | ||
| He took the fight for a reason. | ||
| He has some good moments in the later rounds. | ||
| Lopez just had a great game plan, I think, to put him in danger where he thought he wasn't going to be in danger. | ||
| And he did his thing, man. | ||
| Lopez is way more powerful. | ||
| And he's huge. | ||
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He's a big guy. | |
| Lopez is like one of the guys that look like, for boxing, looks like he's like an MMA guy fighting to cut weight over there in boxing. | ||
| You know, usually boxers walk around their fight weight, you know, they don't cut too much, but Lopez is huge. | ||
| Every time he steps in there, he looks like three, four times the size of the guy. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| He's big. | ||
| He's big, muscular, fast as fuck. | ||
| And he keeps that pace too. | ||
| The whole time. | ||
| He doesn't gas out. | ||
| Yeah, the whole time. | ||
| He's dangerous deep into the 12th round. | ||
| He gets to knock you in the 12th round. | ||
| He won the 12th against Lomachenko. | ||
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| That was a big part of the fight because Lomachenko was coming on. | ||
| He was coming on around the 9th or 8th round, they're saying. | ||
| Yeah, but he cemented it in the 12th. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| Beast. | ||
| And a young kid, too. | ||
| He's like 22? | ||
| Yeah, 23 or 23. Yeah, something around that. | ||
| 23, 24 or around that age. | ||
| I'm like, bro. | ||
| Not even in his prime. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| I remember when you were fighting in the UFC. First fight in the UFC. What are you, 20? | ||
| I was 20. I was 20. That was wild. | ||
| Yeah, it was crazy. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| That was good fun. | ||
| That was a good fun time. | ||
| Isn't it crazy looking back now? | ||
| You're a veteran, world champion veteran, and you come back and think about when you were 20 years old, when you first fought in the UFC. Time keeps rolling. | ||
| You keep getting better. | ||
| You keep having more experiences. | ||
| That's the whole thing, you know? | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| I mean, we talked about it last time I was on here. | ||
| And we just talked about how everybody is like, yeah, this young, new contender, this young, new line coming up. | ||
| I'm like, I'm the youngest guy in the division. | ||
| I'm 29 years old. | ||
| Relax. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Yeah, I remember the Ortega fight was tough, and then even this fight, there was like a new young hungry contender with Katara that was saying, but Katara is the one that was like, he actually said the age thing. | ||
| I didn't know Katara was that old either, but he said the age thing, and then he was like, oh, a freshman and whatever, and I was like, fuck. | ||
| Finally, someone calling me some type of freshman or something. | ||
| Thank you, Qatar. | ||
| He said you were a freshman, he's a senior. | ||
| Yeah, that's what he said. | ||
| It was funny because when I was sitting down, I was like, okay. | ||
| That was a crazy fight, man. | ||
| That was, in my opinion, one of the most impressive performances I've ever seen in my entire career. | ||
| That was my favorite fight of all time, man. | ||
| All the fights I've ever called, watching fights, seeing fights since I was a kid. | ||
| There's something about that fight where it seemed like you came into your own in that fight in a way. | ||
| First of all, Calvin Cater, that guy is a super dangerous guy. | ||
| Super dangerous. | ||
| Some of the best hands in the sport. | ||
| Monster. | ||
| And for you to outbox him the way you did and just to put it on him... | ||
| Round after round after round and then in the final round when you're talking shit and you were pointing over to the UFC matchmakers like I'm the best boxer in MMA and he's throwing punches at you and you're moving your head. | ||
| I was like, Jesus Christ, Max is in the fucking Matrix. | ||
| There's moments in guys' careers where they reach this new place. | ||
| You know, and that's what it looked like with you. | ||
| You just looked like you were in this new place. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I felt great, man. | ||
| I felt great. | ||
| And, you know, going back to talking about that, like, one of my coaches, he told me, he was like, yo, Max, what if, what if before this fight I told you that you're going to set all kinds of striking records? | ||
| Not against anybody. | ||
| Against a guy who's... | ||
| Supposedly have way better boxing than you, who has better boxing than most of the UFC, they're claiming. | ||
| And you're going to just totally make him look like shit. | ||
| And I told him, I wouldn't believe you. | ||
| He's like, well, you just did it. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| I was like, it was crazy because there's one thing to do it against someone. | ||
| Like I'd had these numbers or close to these numbers was with Ortega. | ||
| Well, you had three of the top fights with the most strikes landed ever. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, ever. | ||
| And then that one, which eclipsed all of them. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And then there's this graph going around after the fight with all the UFC fights, all kind of dots of certificates. | ||
| And then there's two dots way far from everything. | ||
| It's like, yeah, those two dots are Max Holloway's. | ||
| I was like, oh shit, that's pretty cool. | ||
| You see that kind of stuff? | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| It's not just that. | ||
| You did it in a fight where it was all stand-up. | ||
| A lot of the fights with significant strikes landed on the ground. | ||
| Someone on the ground lying down punching them. | ||
| And that's what I tell people. | ||
| And everybody's like, oh, somebody did this with significant strikes. | ||
| I was like, yeah, let me lie on someone and punch them in the face from the top. | ||
| I'd love to do that, not worrying about getting hit back. | ||
| This is a distance strike. | ||
| I'm just putting myself in danger. | ||
| It's a 50-50 chance. | ||
| I like to let them think it's a 50-50 chance they get for hitting me, but I make sure the odds are always on my side. | ||
| Well, you showed so much movement in that fight and so many angles and footwork and your understanding of distance. | ||
| The craziest part about it was you said you didn't spar at all for that fight. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Tell me about that. | ||
| I had the second Volkswagen fight, the first Fight Island fight. | ||
| We couldn't. | ||
| We could not move. | ||
| I did my training on Zoom and people were like, you're fucking lying and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I was like this and that. | ||
| I thought you were lying. | ||
| Yeah, but I couldn't. | ||
| I'm not going to try and meet with these coaches, with these guys, and get busted. | ||
| Especially who I am. | ||
| There was people breaking protocols. | ||
| There's Hawaii famous people or famous people that was flying into Hawaii that was breaking the mandate of going around or whatever, the COVID protocols. | ||
| And they was getting arrested. | ||
| I was like, fuck, I can't be getting arrested before my fight is some crazy shit. | ||
| So we did that. | ||
| I didn't spar. | ||
| I felt great. | ||
| Now, when you did that, though, how do you do Zoom workouts? | ||
| How did you organize that? | ||
| I had mats at home, and then we Zoom, and then one of my coaches, we'd get online and do stuff, and I had a bag at home, and I'd hit the bag and stuff, do drills and this and that, and I had weights and stuff. | ||
| So no grappling at all? | ||
| No grappling until fight week. | ||
| No grappling. | ||
| No pads. | ||
| No nothing. | ||
| Until fight week. | ||
| Just hitting the bag. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what did you do for conditioning? | ||
| See, I got to lift weights. | ||
| I went to a friend's house that had weights and stuff. | ||
| Not friends. | ||
| My strength and conditioning coach's house. | ||
| He actually had a little spot for us in his garage. | ||
| And that's where I would go. | ||
| Everybody else had kids and stuff. | ||
| And it was like... | ||
| Worried, worried. | ||
| So I was like, you know, I ain't gonna be mad about everything going on. | ||
| So we figured out a way. | ||
| It's interesting the way people look at COVID then versus the way they look at it now. | ||
| Back then, everybody thought we were all gonna die. | ||
| You know, like everybody was worried like a lot of us were gonna die. | ||
| And now everybody's like, I don't want to get sick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You just don't want to get sick because I heard it's just like flu-like symptoms, you know? | ||
| Depends on who it is. | ||
| You know, Dustin had it and he didn't even know he had it? | ||
| Oh, for real? | ||
| Dustin, I tested him yesterday. | ||
| He was here yesterday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He didn't even know he had it. | ||
| Oh, he had it when he came here? | ||
| No, he had gotten over it. | ||
| So he had the antibodies. | ||
| He tested negative, but he had the antibodies. | ||
| So after his fight... | ||
| With Connor, he got COVID and didn't even know it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| And then came in here and just found out about it yesterday, that he had the antibodies. | ||
| They were like, you got the antibodies? | ||
| You're negative for the disease, but you have the antibodies. | ||
| He's like, oh. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| I go, did you even notice it? | ||
| He goes, no, I never felt it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
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That's cool. | |
| That's awesome. | ||
| His wife felt a little run down, and he's like, I thought that was jet lag flying from Abu Dhabi. | ||
| That flight is not fun. | ||
| I don't think the disease would fuck with you. | ||
| I think it's a real problem with people that have poor health. | ||
| That have outlining health issues. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| And then people who are really old. | ||
| You can be really old, but if your system is down, it's kind of tough, you know? | ||
| Here's an example against that, though. | ||
| Cody Garbrandt. | ||
| Cody Garbrandt got it, but you know what happened with Cody? | ||
| He had it, and he kept training hard. | ||
| So he's training for a fight. | ||
| He didn't know he had it. | ||
| He never got tested. | ||
| So he's like full camp. | ||
| Two, three days. | ||
| You know Cody. | ||
| He trains like a fucking savage. | ||
| Mad man. | ||
| And so he's breaking his body down. | ||
| So he just, like, couldn't recover. | ||
| And he'd look at his watch, like he had a whoop strap, and he'd look at his whoop strap, and it was like 1% every day. | ||
| And he was like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Why am I not recovering? | ||
| And then finally he goes to do Mike Tyson's show. | ||
| He did Mike Tyson's hotbox, and they tested him there. | ||
| And that's how he found out he had COVID. So he had COVID for months before he got tested. | ||
| That's just nuts. | ||
| I mean... | ||
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He was training with COVID, just beating himself up. | |
| Yeah, because you're beating, like, you can be healthy, like you said, but you're beating yourself down. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You're beating yourself down, your body not recovering, and I'm probably, he's probably not doing a lot of recovery stuff because he's so, you know what I mean, he's at a point in his age where he's like, ah, I just recover. | ||
| I just so used to do feeling like this, so why are you going to do it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's just interesting that you were able to fight and to train a full camp for a guy like Volkanovski, especially a rematch with no sparring, with no partners, with no nothing. | ||
| Yeah, we had a lot of mental stuff, mental training. | ||
| You know, there was a lot of mental things. | ||
| Like visualization? | ||
| Yeah, like I got to visualize or even just think of new ways to move or I got to think of ways to set up stuff like I just had more time to myself to think about the actual fight and and whatever and then even with the with the sparring like the second fight for the Qatar we didn't spar but I moved with my partners you know we grappled or we had stand-up we had ideas of this is how he moves so I just got used to the movement and and we keep on on certain things and that's it but was nothing ever like cracking you you know like I would get I mean, | ||
| you know how it is. | ||
| You see all these guys, they say, like, oh, I got hurt sparring. | ||
| I got hurt sparring. | ||
| That's how all my injuries came. | ||
| I got hurt from grappling hard or sparring hard. | ||
| So if you just take that out, you know, like, you get a 200% of yourself. | ||
| But it comes to a point, like, everybody thinks I'm telling everybody to stop sparring. | ||
| You know, I'm telling the young kid to stop sparring. | ||
| I'm not telling the young kid to stop sparring. | ||
| When I was 16, I had to spar. | ||
| But it comes a point where you spar enough to the points where everything happens or even fights like I fought injured. | ||
| I sparred injured. | ||
| You know, I got hurt. | ||
| I had to come through stuff. | ||
| Like you need these times before the show because when it comes in the show... | ||
| And you get hurt in a fight or something, you panic. | ||
| You get buzzed in the fight, you panic. | ||
| But then if you do it in these sparring or these amateur fights, then it's simple. | ||
| But when you get to that certain point, then you stop sparring and you save your brain. | ||
| Because like right now... | ||
| I'd say at least 85% to 87% or even close to 91% of the UFC fighters, you don't have to. | ||
| If you didn't come to the contender series, I think you don't have to really spar anymore. | ||
| We're all at a high level already of thinking and doing this. | ||
| There's other ways that you could do to figure stuff out. | ||
| That's just what I think. | ||
| Do you guys do a lot of drills with pads? | ||
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Drills. | |
| Yeah, pills and pads. | ||
| Even drills on drills. | ||
| Not really Dutch way, but more towards a fighter. | ||
| Like a guy who'll come at you with a punch and you'll step to the side and counter. | ||
| And then we practice it. | ||
| I'll practice it. | ||
| We look... | ||
| We look for... | ||
| Whenever I watch tape, we look for consistencies. | ||
| Guys that do consistent movements all the time. | ||
| And we work for those movements. | ||
| And then we go, we apply, we ask my partner to go. | ||
| And now it's much easier to ask someone to replicate this guy for me while we're moving versus to ask someone to replicate somebody when we're sparring hard. | ||
| Because I would spar hard with them. | ||
| And then they would go back to their style. | ||
| Yeah, they'd start getting their ass beat. | ||
| And they'd be like, fuck, frick this. | ||
| I'd give him a better look. | ||
| When I'm training, when I'm doing myself. | ||
| So I'm going to go to that. | ||
| But that's not it. | ||
| Even if you give me a better look as yourself, I'm trying to get ready for this guy. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And a lot of people, that's when ego and stuff come in and so on and so on. | ||
| I think we figured out a way where it worked for me. | ||
| And you guys got to see. | ||
| I felt so good. | ||
| Everything was good. | ||
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You were on fire. | |
| I felt great. | ||
| If you don't understand how good Calvin Cater is, you don't understand how good your performance is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I thought Kevin K was like, and it takes two. | ||
| And I tell everybody with the numbers and stuff, the reason why I didn't hit these numbers against Ortega is because we went only four rounds. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Ortega is a different beast too. | ||
| I think the ref said what he said, and that's what happened in that fight. | ||
| But Qatar was crazy because one of the rounds, I think the third or fourth round, I hit him. | ||
| And, uh, he was just gone. | ||
| Like, I was like, he was gone at the end of the round. | ||
| I was like, bro, this guy not walking off for the fifth round. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Am I fucking jumping up and down? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it was the first round. | ||
| I was like, I was like, okay then. | ||
| There's my answer. | ||
| Would you feel like getting punched some more, my friend? | ||
| We're gonna do this. | ||
| No, he's tough as fuck, man, because there were a lot of moments in that fight where he could have quit. | ||
| Well, he could have. | ||
| And it's crazy because, like, you see it. | ||
| You see him get to that moment. | ||
| Like, I feel it. | ||
| Like, it's right there. | ||
| And he just throws, like, a bomb and he lands it on me. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| I'm like, come on, man. | ||
| I hear everything. | ||
| I could hear his corner yelling at him and stuff and this and that. | ||
| I'm like, goddammit, Kater. | ||
| I was like, you know... | ||
| One time, I was like... | ||
| What was funny was, one time in a fight, like... | ||
| He was just fucking throwing and he somehow landed a left hook or overhand on me and he was on the fence. | ||
| And I was like, bro, the fight was about to get finished. | ||
| Like, come on, just do it. | ||
| But then, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, it's not my job. | ||
| You know, I can't focus on what the ref can do, if his team is going to throw in the top. | ||
| I just got to focus on him, you know? | ||
| Do you think they should have stopped that fight at any point in time? | ||
| I mean, at the end of the day, I'm in Cater shoes. | ||
| Like, me talking as a fighter? | ||
| No way. | ||
| I was like, give me a shot. | ||
| And this guy is, you know, he's a puncher. | ||
| He's a puncher puncher. | ||
| Like, this guy can, like, put someone down, you know? | ||
| But, you know, it's funny because, like, Teddy Alice said the same thing. | ||
| But Teddy Alice was, like, telling me when I was on his show, he was like, oh, he was like... | ||
| But Max, you never got dropped. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| The odds of him knocking you out, because he's a punchy puncher, it's still not there. | ||
| It's still slim. | ||
| But it is there. | ||
| At the end of the day, I can't speak on that. | ||
| Because as a fighter, I'd be like, frick, leave me in there. | ||
| I want to fight. | ||
| Even my way with championships, you want to find the best guy, right? | ||
| And the way I look at it is, if it's the best, it's not. | ||
| A fight is a fight. | ||
| Until it's over. | ||
| And then it's people's perceptions on the fight. | ||
| So after the five rounds, then it's a fight. | ||
| But I thought they're supposed to be the two best guys in the world. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| My take on it was like, why don't we just have these fights? | ||
| Yeah, we have the rounds. | ||
| We just go on to someone wins the fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Instead, we keep this perception out of it. | ||
| We just keep going round after five rounds. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| We're going to six. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| We're going to seven. | ||
| We're going to someone quit. | ||
| That's how you find the best fighter in the world at whatever it is. | ||
| Old school Jack Johnson style. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| That's the way I think because it's just perception. | ||
| It's just a perception, right? | ||
| They'll never do that in America, but they might do it in Asia. | ||
| Maybe you could talk 1FC. One might be doing some wild stuff like that. | ||
| They see some wild stuff. | ||
| You see, they signed the, you know, I'm friends with the Lee's family. | ||
| And Christian Lee and Angela Lee, they're both champions over there, right? | ||
| The young sister just fought today. | ||
| She won. | ||
| She's 16 years old. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| She's 16. She's a professor. | ||
| She fought in 1FC today. | ||
| She won. | ||
| Who was on the card today? | ||
| I have no idea who was on the card. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I had a kickboxing. | ||
| A kickboxing match might be headlining it. | ||
| They're doing John Wayne Parr versus Nikki Holtzkin. | ||
| Oh, that should be a crazy fight, right? | ||
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Crazy. | |
| Because they do crazy things over in one. | ||
| They'll have stand-up fights. | ||
| They'll have kickboxing roast fights. | ||
| With the MMA gloves. | ||
| And they'll have Muay Thai with the MMA gloves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some crazy shit. | ||
| Do you think that there's ever going to be an organization that allows you to fight literally to the end? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How many rounds do you think you could go? | ||
| Me? | ||
| I go to whatever round until the guy quit. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't care what round it is. | ||
| I ain't giving up before you. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You better clip my ass and my brain better stop me because as long as I'm conscious, I'm going to the next round and the next round. | ||
| What is the most amount of rounds you've ever trained? | ||
| I mean, you can talk to people. | ||
| I mean, some of us. | ||
| Actually, you can't because no one's going to talk about it. | ||
| But I do. | ||
| When we were getting ready for championship fights, I would go to 12 rounds sometimes. | ||
| I would spar at least five minutes. | ||
| And I would spar, and we were supposed to do five to six, and I would spar, and I would be like, nah, I ain't finishing on this fucking round. | ||
| And then we would go to the center, and I was like, nah, stay the shitty round. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| We're going some more. | ||
| And then I think the most I did was around 12 or 13, when I was like, okay, I'm good. | ||
| That's more than an hour of sparring. | ||
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13 rounds? | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| I just didn't feel it. | ||
| I was like, bro, I don't feel it. | ||
| I'm feeling it. | ||
| Finally, when I felt it, I was like, okay, I'm good. | ||
| I'll go home, you know? | ||
| If people don't understand, that's like an hour of sprinting. | ||
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| That's so crazy. | ||
| Your cardio is one of your biggest weapons, man. | ||
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| You put a pace on people. | ||
| If you look at the numbers landed in fights, and that fight in particular, a big part of that fight, the success in that fight... | ||
| First of all, you have to have the skill to land all those significant strikes. | ||
| But it's just the fact that you can land all the significant strikes and not have any breakdown of your technique in the fifth round. | ||
| You weren't slower. | ||
| It wasn't more forced or labored. | ||
| You didn't slow down the pace. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I just felt good. | ||
| And it's funny you bring that up because people always ask me, what is your workout? | ||
| What is your workout? | ||
| This and that. | ||
| I always think... | ||
| I was like, I could tell you guys my workout, I could bring you guys to the workout, but that ain't it. | ||
| You know, that ain't it. | ||
| I was talking to Sean, one of your security guys out there. | ||
| And you have a bunch of Navy SEALs and military people come all the time. | ||
| And they talk about this place where you gotta go, where you get pushed to the point of breaking, and then you get pushed past that, you have to go in. | ||
| And that's a very dark place, you know, like Sean or ex-Navy SEALs and stuff. | ||
| Those guys got to live there, you know what I mean? | ||
| Now, thankful for me, I have a passport. | ||
| So I kind of like, I just kind of show my passport. | ||
| I'm here for a little bit and then I'm out, you know what I mean? | ||
| Because those motherfuckers, they crazy crazy, you know what I mean? | ||
| But my passport is like, yeah, stamp me and stamp my exit sheet. | ||
| I'm out of here, you know? | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| You have a passport to crazy land. | ||
| Yeah, and that's what it is. | ||
| A lot of people think it's a training thing. | ||
| You know, I have the best strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| But it's not the training that we do. | ||
| It's the mental stuff that he pushed me to. | ||
| There's so many stuff. | ||
| I'm going to sound like a baby or a bitch, but I don't want to do this. | ||
| And he's like, well, guess what? | ||
| I don't give a shit what you want. | ||
| You're doing this. | ||
| And I'm doing it. | ||
| And I'm dead tired. | ||
| I'm dying and this and that. | ||
| And I know workouts. | ||
| But he pushed me past that limit. | ||
| And it's every camp. | ||
| Every camp, I'm like, yeah, going into camp, he's feeling like the man. | ||
| Like, fuck yeah, he's not going to break me in this one. | ||
| And he somehow finds me. | ||
| He finds it and you question yourself like, oh Max, do you want to do this or not? | ||
| And then you go to a limit. | ||
| Everybody thinks my cardio is a training thing or this and that, but it's more of a mental thing. | ||
| It's more of a mental thing, that passport come in handy at certain times. | ||
| When I can check out, I'm happy that I can check out. | ||
| So when you've been able to go into that dark place so many times during training, does it get any easier? | ||
| I mean, I wouldn't say get easier, but you get there. | ||
| Yeah, you get used to it. | ||
| It's just different. | ||
| You can ask my fiancée. | ||
| She's the best. | ||
| Shout out to her, Alyssa. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Thank you for everything. | ||
| She's the one that pulls up with most of my shit, man. | ||
| There's Facebook Gaming Max Holloway. | ||
| There's Fighting Max Holloway. | ||
| There's Training Camp Max Holloway. | ||
| There's the daddest man on the planet, Max Holloway. | ||
| There's all these things. | ||
| And my fiance, man, she does everything for me. | ||
| I love her. | ||
| She gets the shit in. | ||
| When I'm in training camp, I'm a prick. | ||
| The passport is stamped during that eight weeks. | ||
| Eight weeks at a time, I'm this guy that you gotta go there. | ||
| I would say it gets easier because I understand what I need to do and I understand time. | ||
| Time is so important to me. | ||
| Not that much people understand what time is. | ||
| I'm taking away time from my coaches and their family. | ||
| They have kids. | ||
| They can be great parents. | ||
| They have a gym to run. | ||
| They can do all this, but they make special time for me to train. | ||
| My strength and conditioning coach, a lot of the times, he pretty much closes the gym for me to train. | ||
| Maybe I might have one or two people. | ||
| With me, but it's like he's not even focusing on them. | ||
| He always focuses on me. | ||
| I respect these people's time. | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| Even my fiancé's time. | ||
| I'm all about time. | ||
| A lot of people think, Max, you're at this level. | ||
| You deserve that. | ||
| Or I get to this. | ||
| You deserve this. | ||
| Or, I'm this here, so you should be acting this certain way to me. | ||
| I never was like that. | ||
| I always thought, like, you motherfuckers, like, I can never get back. | ||
| Like, Joe, if I ask you, I know you signed that big Spotify deal. | ||
| It's like, hey, I want $100 million. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I can potentially give you $100 million back. | ||
| But then now I'm taking up your time and we're sitting down, we're talking for three hours. | ||
| I can never give you three hours back. | ||
| And people don't understand that. | ||
| They're like, what the fuck? | ||
| Every time I tell them, they're like, oh shit. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, so if you're hitting me up the train or something, don't waste my fucking time when I'm here. | ||
| Don't fucking be talking story. | ||
| When we set a time, fucking show up on time. | ||
| Be ready to go at this time. | ||
| Not I tell you to here and you're over here and you show up on the time and you're rolling out. | ||
| No. | ||
| We want to train at this time. | ||
| I want to train at this time. | ||
| Because my coaches got something better to do. | ||
| I got something better to do. | ||
| I know I got the fight. | ||
| Do I want to be training? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'd rather be sitting down on top of my fucking good ass chair with my perfect ass posture playing video games. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'd rather be surfing with my son. | ||
| Watching my son surf. | ||
| You know how much times I miss out on times where... | ||
| Like even this last fight. | ||
| I was there for his birthday, but I wasn't, if that makes sense. | ||
| Like a lot of people don't understand. | ||
| Like I was physically there, but I couldn't eat the cake. | ||
| I couldn't eat ice cream. | ||
| I couldn't enjoy people's time. | ||
| Because I... And the whole COVID shit too, you know? | ||
| I was like, we couldn't do a bigger one than what it usually is, you know? | ||
| So as this... | ||
| If I could tell anybody... | ||
| How to be successful is like get control of time and get control of your mental. | ||
| That's how you take your places. | ||
| Well, both of them are connected, right? | ||
| Because if you appreciate time, it's your mind that makes you appreciate time because you appreciate the significance of that time training. | ||
| If you think about how much time you spend like all 100% fully in and committed as opposed to some people like we all know a guy will say I worked out an hour and a half today But if you worked out with him, you'd see a lot of fucking around on the phone, you'd see talking to people, you'd see taking rounds off Yeah. | ||
| that right yeah and and and there's times and places for it you know like out of camp it's funny because like uh some sometimes like uh professional sport players they come to uh they come and train with us sometimes and then uh some one of them told my coach he's like oh uh he he was with me when i was like not getting ready for a fight and And then he was there when I was getting ready for a fight. | ||
| And he told my coach, he's like, holy shit. | ||
| He's like, now I understand why Max is where he's at. | ||
| Because he don't fucking play around. | ||
| Because when he first came, I was talking stories to him, this and that, lifting, hitting my weights, doing whatever. | ||
| They're super gagging. | ||
| And then he explained that. | ||
| And then he said, but now he's in fight camp. | ||
| Motherfucker, come in, talk to nobody, train and leave. | ||
| Because I don't want to talk to nobody. | ||
| I got the passport stamped. | ||
| I'm in this fucking crazy ass place. | ||
| I don't want to deal with nobody. | ||
| You guys tell me wrong thing. | ||
| A fight might break out right there. | ||
| That's a fight that I'm not going to win because I'm going to lose legally right down the line. | ||
| So I'm good, you know? | ||
| Well, that's what makes a champion, right? | ||
| Full commitment. | ||
| Yeah, it's a different level of mental commitment. | ||
| And appreciation of time is a part of that. | ||
| And also appreciation of the fact that you gotta be willing to push yourself to those dark places. | ||
| Like, look at Calvin. | ||
| The moments when you had him against a cage and you were battering him. | ||
| That's a dark moment for a guy like that. | ||
| You know that guy wanted to quit. | ||
| Did not quit. | ||
| Did you not... | ||
| Bro, one of the elbows, he did the freaking... | ||
| I think he brang back the Dougie for a little bit. | ||
| And he somehow came back from it. | ||
| I was like, bro... | ||
| Some of the shots, too. | ||
| I was picking my shots. | ||
| There were shots where I was like, soft, soft, soft. | ||
| I was trying to get a finish, but then when I didn't see nothing happening, I wound up on some shots. | ||
| And like... | ||
| I was like, ooh. | ||
| I was like, bro, this guy, he different, different. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| That's what I tell everybody. | ||
| It takes two in there. | ||
| It does take two in there. | ||
| That's a big thing. | ||
| I mean, it also takes a really scary challenge to rise to the occasion. | ||
| If you just knew you can go in there, like if you're fighting all 10-year-olds, you know, you don't have to train. | ||
| You just go in there and fuck them up. | ||
| But you know that you have a real dangerous killer in front of you in Calvin Cater. | ||
| He's a straight-up killer. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And then, especially with the boxing stuff, you know, so it's just... | ||
| When I was hearing all that, I was in crazy land on top of the roller coaster being like, woohoo! | ||
| Here we go again! | ||
| I was loving it. | ||
| What was it like when you were in that fifth round when you were talking shit? | ||
| When you were like, I'm the best boxer in the USA. It was funny because I remember everything. | ||
| I had him against the cage and I was punching him. | ||
| And then I heard Dan Hardy say something about numbers or significant strikes landing. | ||
| So the first thing I yelled to him is, count it up! | ||
| I told him, count it up because I'm going to keep punching. | ||
| I keep counting. | ||
| And then he caught me with a jab. | ||
| And that just got me pissed off. | ||
| I was like, Max, you're talking shit and you're letting this guy hit you? | ||
| That's the time I did the flex. | ||
| I looked at him and I punched him. | ||
| And then I heard DC talk. | ||
| And I know DC's fucking the wannabe daddest man on the planet. | ||
| You don't want to fight my ass. | ||
| DC, I hear his voice. | ||
| And then I'm like, okay. | ||
| And then I start talking. | ||
| And then in the corner of my eye, in the fight, I'm looking at them. | ||
| And in my corner of my eye, I see Calvin start trying to choke punches. | ||
| So I'm like talking to him the whole time. | ||
| And then if you see, I do it underneath the duck. | ||
| And he didn't hit. | ||
| He didn't land one punch, you know? | ||
| If you see it in the video, I look right at him. | ||
| I go, what? | ||
| Like the kind of what? | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| It just happened. | ||
| Not what towards him. | ||
| Just like, what the hell is happening? | ||
| You chew like five punches and you missed? | ||
| I wasn't even looking at you. | ||
| That's what I was thinking, you know? | ||
| And then I just had to let him know that I'm the best boxer in the UFC. And then I told him, the freshman came to play. | ||
| That's what I was telling him. | ||
| I told him, the freshman came to play. | ||
| I was telling DC too. | ||
| And then It was funny, you know. | ||
| You just get in these moments, you know. | ||
| And all these athletes, they strive for it, you know. | ||
| Especially this stuff where they talk about that one moment, this and that, and everything slowed down. | ||
| It just slowed down, you know. | ||
| And it was great. | ||
| It was like my point down moment. | ||
| Ricardo Lamas, you know, all over again. | ||
| I got to reinate it with doing this slipping. | ||
| It was one of those moments you just felt untouchable. | ||
| You give your coroners a heart attack for a little bit, but it felt good. | ||
| That's the kind of stuff in the history books forever. | ||
| The concern about a fight like that is, does a guy like Calvin Cater really recover from a fight like that? | ||
| Is he ever the same again? | ||
| And that's the thing, you know, that's the thing that I think about all the time. | ||
| Because, you know, you watch boxing. | ||
| You've been around for boxing forever. | ||
| Especially in boxing. | ||
| I don't know if MMA you can recall, but I'm sure there's boxing fights where you watch, you know, like Miguel Cotto versus, what is that, the guy's name that cheated? | ||
| Margarito. | ||
| Margarito. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you know, that fight changes life. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That fight changes life. | ||
| He never, ever fought the same. | ||
| Cotto never fought the same. | ||
| No matter how much I like to tell myself, like... | ||
| When he was coming back and he did win some fights, he's like, Koto's back. | ||
| He got battered in that fight. | ||
| You know what a real good example is? | ||
| Julio Cesar Chavez vs. | ||
| Melchick Taylor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Melchick Taylor was the fucking man. | ||
| Olympic gold medalist, some of the fastest hands I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| And Chavez just broke him down, broke him down, broke him down, broke him down. | ||
| And then finally in the last round, stopped him with like five seconds to go on the clock. | ||
| Richard Steele calls off the fight. | ||
| Meldrick Taylor is never the same again. | ||
| He got beaten up in that fight so bad. | ||
| Julio Cesar Chavez just kept ripping to the body, going up top, ripping to the body, trying to catch him, moving, moving, moving, and finally gets him in the corner. | ||
| BAM! Drops him with the right hand, and you see Meldrick, and it's accumulation of strikes. | ||
| It's the blows over the entire course of the fight. | ||
| Meldrick was never the same again. | ||
| Yeah, and after that, imagine the training he had to do and this and that. | ||
| So I just... | ||
| Cater is bossing strong. | ||
| They're different over there. | ||
| I just hope that he comes back strong. | ||
| This guy got kids. | ||
| I'm not trying to take away somebody's livelihood. | ||
| It's the reality of the game that if one person is going to land the most significant strikes ever, that means the other person is absorbing. | ||
| That's what we said. | ||
| At the end of the day, I just hope they're smart. | ||
| I hope... | ||
| If I was in his shoes, their shoes... | ||
| I know he's 33. I know time is valuable on their time. | ||
| But I would do something like what Ortega did. | ||
| Take care of myself. | ||
| Take care of... | ||
| At least a year off or two years. | ||
| And really rebuild myself. | ||
| Get back. | ||
| Rethink certain trainings. | ||
| And really focus on recovery right now. | ||
| Like, bro... | ||
| The thing I tell everybody is I want to be around for my son, for my grandkids, for my great-great-grandkids. | ||
| And be around. | ||
| Not just be around and just watching them do stuff. | ||
| I want to be around and do stuff. | ||
| You got to take care of your brain, man. | ||
| You want to get one of them. | ||
| I just hope they'd be smart about it. | ||
| And I think they will. | ||
| I think he's going to be super smart about it. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| They go from there. | ||
| Because if I was myself, I would take maybe a year off. | ||
| They gave him like a six month stuff. | ||
| But I would take him. | ||
| I would go do all the brain studies that you need to do. | ||
| And I would check all the boxes, man. | ||
| And go beyond that. | ||
| There's a bigger legacy that you have. | ||
| And that's your Trojan. | ||
| And you want your child. | ||
| And you want to be here for them. | ||
| And you want to be on 100% for them. | ||
| Yeah, there's an inclination to want to get back in as quick as possible and get a win. | ||
| Yeah, that's the tough thing because we're fighters. | ||
| We're freaking gladiators. | ||
| That's the thing I understand. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it, but then, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like 20 to 27-year-old Max, you tell that to, I get it. | ||
| But, you know, 28, 29, today, Max, it's like... | ||
| Nah, you know what I mean? | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| You're getting smarter. | ||
| Let's try and be smart about this. | ||
| Look at Brian. | ||
| Brian came out. | ||
| Everybody thought he was going to have the hardest fight of his life with a zombie. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Zombie looked like easy work. | ||
| He did his thing. | ||
| He took his time. | ||
| He took care of all his injuries. | ||
| He really improved a lot after your fight. | ||
| In everything. | ||
| He learned a lot from that fight. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| He applied it and he did it. | ||
| Just look at that. | ||
| It's just saving yourself. | ||
| If nobody is going to save yourself, at least make sure you got you. | ||
| Make sure you got yourself. | ||
| Yeah, that fight was a crazy fight for Bryan, right? | ||
| Because that was the first time he'd ever been stopped and he basically had his way and he was beating guys with strikes even though really he was a jiu-jitsu guy. | ||
| That was his main forte. | ||
| But you were the first guy to stop him. | ||
| And him coming back from that fight took a long time. | ||
| He had a bunch of injuries and stuff too, right? | ||
| Yeah, that too. | ||
| But I think so it all played. | ||
| It all played into his game. | ||
| Like, thank God it did. | ||
| Because look what he did. | ||
| You know, he had more time to focus on different stuff. | ||
| But even that, like, if you look at Bryan's fights before, like, I think he won, like, fucking, like, three rounds before he fought me. | ||
| And he had, like, fucking, what? | ||
| Six fights in the UFC or seven or something or whatever. | ||
| Eight fights. | ||
| Three rounds in eight fights. | ||
| That's fucking crazy, you know? | ||
| Like, rounds of him actually winning, you know? | ||
| Like, he's finishing guys with stuff. | ||
| So that means he's, like, losing rounds, you know? | ||
| And he goes out there and just smashes... | ||
| Kareem Zahm in every round in his own game. | ||
| In his own game too, you know? | ||
| So I was like, man, this guy did some homework. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, his jiu-jitsu is off the charts. | ||
| His jiu-jitsu, Otega's jiu-jitsu is crazy. | ||
| His guillotine is nuts. | ||
| I remember when he caught Cub Swanson. | ||
| He caught Cub Swanson, I think caught him with a darts at the end of the first. | ||
| And then in the second, he caught him with a guillotine. | ||
| But that guillotine was nasty. | ||
| You know, there's levels. | ||
| There's levels. | ||
| And that was... | ||
| That was crazy when... | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Went right back into it. | ||
| I was like, bro, did you not remember the last five seconds of the first round, bro? | ||
| I just think he couldn't do anything about it. | ||
| About it, yeah. | ||
| And they were standing up and he jumped. | ||
| Jumped it, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Some dudes just have that squeeze. | ||
| They have that crazy squeeze. | ||
| I mean, yeah, I mean... | ||
| Look who's his trainer, you know? | ||
|
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The dude dude, you know? | |
| Yeah, I mean, he's legit. | ||
| I mean, lineage from the Gracie Torrance Academy, you know? | ||
| That's old school, you know? | ||
| Huron and Henner and all those killers. | ||
| All the gangsters. | ||
| All the gangsters. | ||
| Master Pedro, I know. | ||
| I love whenever Master Pedro comes down to Hawaii or he's just in the same area as us and we meet up and... | ||
| Bro, some of the stories that they tell is just crazy as shit. | ||
| Do you train in the gi at all? | ||
| I train in the gi, yeah. | ||
| A lot? | ||
| I train a lot. | ||
| I train more gi than no gi. | ||
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Really? | |
| I train more gi than MMA, to be honest. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| How come? | ||
| I just thought, you know, at a certain level, I feel like I know enough of striking and MMA stuff and certain things that I need to really focus on. | ||
| This is what I really... | ||
| Lacking my game and I can get super better, you know, like I have a foundation, my strong foundation, my kickboxing, but now I gotta follow it up. | ||
| I used to think so that was jujitsu and wrestling, you know, so I do a bunch of gi. | ||
| I just got my, I actually just got my brown belt right before I came. | ||
| Alright, man. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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That's awesome. | |
| Super exciting. | ||
| Do you think you'll compete? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| My coach said for all his MMA fighters that he don't want none of us competing in Jiu Jitsu. | ||
| That's when freak accidents happen. | ||
| Look at Cub Swanson. | ||
| He hurt his knee, right? | ||
| He tore his ligament apart. | ||
| First of all, Jake's heel is so much bigger than him anyway. | ||
| Jake is like 200 pounds and Cub is fighting at 145. | ||
| It's crazy for them. | ||
| But there was quintet, you know, when they had the teams. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And they would compete against each other. | ||
| And he got caught in, you know, an ashi position where his leg was. | ||
| Just tangled. | ||
| Yeah, tangled and his ACL exploded. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I remember he was supposed to come back and fight. | ||
| And then he got hurt. | ||
| And he's 36, 37. So that's, you know, it's hard to get an injury. | ||
| At that age, because you're done. | ||
| You have a year of recovery, basically, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So that's what our coach told us. | ||
| But we see what happens. | ||
| Maybe after my career is done, my fighting career is done, I do some Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| I love to do some Jiu-Jitsu stuff. | ||
| I love Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| I love rolling. | ||
| Do you have an idea in your mind of when you're going to retire? | ||
| I mean, if I had my way, it would be like maybe high 30s. | ||
| Maybe 35, mid-30s actually. | ||
| Maybe 35, 36. But we see how it goes. | ||
| If my coaches had their way, they'd probably tell me to retire by like 33 or 34 or something. | ||
| They want the best for me. | ||
| They want the best for my son. | ||
| So they put everything we ever do or everything I ever think of, they always make sure it's like... | ||
| Or you got to think of Rush. | ||
| You got Rush and you got future little kids. | ||
| So you think of what you're doing. | ||
| So we see what happens though, you know? | ||
| But if I can find a way, maybe your boy become a professional streamer. | ||
| Professional gamer, baby. | ||
| I bet you could do it, man. | ||
| Maybe we do that. | ||
| If I can find a way... | ||
| There's money in it. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of fucking money in it. | ||
| And a lot of sponsors too. | ||
| I fucking trip out. | ||
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I'm like, holy... | |
| And then these guys is like, you know, like... | ||
| I like to be like, especially for MMA fighters now, we gotta be like super representative of the family, you know? | ||
| Like there's a reason why they put me and Kelvin on the ABC main event and blah blah. | ||
| Like we was chosen. | ||
| We was pretty much hand-picked and like Teddy was kind of running this down like, look how you act outside, like this and that. | ||
| And then you see like these guys that like stream and stuff. | ||
| They don't give a fuck. | ||
| They're like... | ||
| They're fucking wild. | ||
| They're fucking in crazy land too. | ||
| They're in their own crazy land. | ||
| It's a different kind of crazy land. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| To be at the highest level of the highest level. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy because every fight to today, even before the Kelvin fight, every single fight... | ||
| If a fighter tells you that they don't get nervous, slap them in the head because they're lying as shit. | ||
| Or they didn't train hard enough so they're not nervous. | ||
| They're like, ah, whatever. | ||
| I'm just kind of going and doing this shit. | ||
| But every fight, even the Calvin fight, I'm always in the back. | ||
| Just thinking like, okay, Holloway, you're on deck. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| 10 minutes to you, 10 minutes to walk, whatever, until we come out to walk. | ||
| And I'm just in there. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| I just start talking to myself. | ||
| I'm like, what the hell are we doing here, Max? | ||
| Why are you back here? | ||
| You told yourself you wasn't going to be back here. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Did you say that to yourself? | ||
| Yeah, I still do it. | ||
| I talked to myself. | ||
| I'm like, bro, you keep working at McDonald's. | ||
| And then I started thinking, I'm like, but then I got to go to fucking Burger University and all that shit to actually get as close as I can to what kind of money I make in UFC. I'm like, fuck this. | ||
| You know there's a Burger University or something, right? | ||
| Is there? | ||
| Yeah, to become a manager or hire a manager or something, you got to go to some type of Burger. | ||
| I looked into it. | ||
| Because that's one of my fights. | ||
| I was thinking of it, you know what I mean? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, you know, just to see what it is, to see what people make. | ||
| I wasn't going to fucking leave fighting, but it's just crazy. | ||
| But those things, just know that I'm alive, that know I'm here, and it reminds me, motherfucker, you stayed human. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, you still got your nerves. | ||
| I would get nervous if I didn't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, if I was before a fight and I was whatever, just rounding around and nothing affected me, then I would start being in my own mind and be like, what the fuck are you doing, Max? | ||
| You wouldn't feel as good. | ||
| I wouldn't feel as good. | ||
| You definitely wouldn't feel as good if you won, right? | ||
| There's part of the relief of getting over the anxiety. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's a fight. | ||
| There's a lot of little fights before the main fight, you know? | ||
| And a lot of people, they don't really think of that. | ||
| We were talking about social media with your boy Sean and John out there. | ||
| And I was just tripping. | ||
| I was just like, bro, I was like, yeah, that's right. | ||
| And we were talking about why people act certain ways. | ||
| And we were coming to a conclusion. | ||
| Sean says, yeah, most of the guys that talk shit is men. | ||
| It's insecure men. | ||
| I was like, you're right! | ||
| You're right! | ||
| Yeah, it's just insecure men of like, like, cause like, you know, there's a time and age when I used to look like, uh, look at someone else and be like, what the hell? | ||
| They don't, I don't got that things, you know what I mean? | ||
| This and that. | ||
| And then I can't, and then I met my jujitsu coach now, my head coach around the czars and, you know, He really always made me say, you know, put yourself in their shoes. | ||
| I would judge people. | ||
| I see young kids driving killer cars. | ||
| I was like, yeah, must be nice that your mom can afford that shit, huh? | ||
| Rich kid. | ||
| And then my coach checked me. | ||
| He was like, yeah, but you don't know if his mom bought him or his parents bought him. | ||
| What if he bought that himself? | ||
| What if he worked super hard? | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Fuck, you're right. | ||
| I'm a fucking jackass. | ||
| Put your foot in their shoes and then talk on them. | ||
| A lot of people think they know, but they have no idea. | ||
| Jealousy is an interesting sort of emotion because in one way, it can help you. | ||
| You see someone who's accomplished great things and you get jealous and it pushes you. | ||
| But another way, it can poison you because it makes you focus on things the wrong way. | ||
| You start looking at How far more you got to go versus how far you came, you know? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And you also look at someone and go, why them? | ||
| Instead of looking at them and going, how did they do that? | ||
| And how can I do that? | ||
| Yeah, and that's the main thing I always tell people. | ||
| Especially where I'm from, I tell people like, why not you? | ||
| Why ask them why them? | ||
| Why not say, why not me? | ||
| Why can't I do this? | ||
| Because you can, but it's just... | ||
| You gotta stamp your passport though. | ||
| A lot of people don't want to stamp the passport. | ||
| Stamp your damn passport. | ||
| Leave your mom at home. | ||
| Leave your girlfriend at home. | ||
| Leave whatever it is at home. | ||
| Stop using that as excuses because I was just telling them, I know a bunch of people that... | ||
| Where I'm from, kids is talented. | ||
| I'm not being biased because I'm from there, but we had talent. | ||
| They're supposed to go to college and do stuff. | ||
| But then you hear them say, oh, I never go because I can't leave my mom or I never go because my girlfriend don't want me to go. | ||
| And then, you know, fast forward five, ten years later, seven years later, somebody from their time is super successful and then they're mad at their mom or their girlfriend at the time and be like, see... | ||
| We could have had that, but this and that. | ||
| Like, no, motherfucker, don't be a what-if person. | ||
| That's a what-if guy. | ||
| That's a guy with jealousy who you use in the wrong way, you know? | ||
| Or they're like, oh, if I had those opportunities, I would have did it. | ||
| Motherfucker, you had the same opportunity. | ||
| You had more. | ||
| You had more opportunity than me. | ||
| Don't ever tell me that if you had the same opportunity than me. | ||
| Because you had it more. | ||
| You was kind of, you know, some people did. | ||
| And I used to think, bro, I ain't talented. | ||
| I ain't whatever. | ||
| Everything I work for is because... | ||
| I have my passport to crazy land. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I was able to figure it out. | ||
| And there's no denying that people that are as successful as you, there's two things. | ||
| You took risks and you work hard. | ||
| And those two things are two things that people don't like to do. | ||
| They don't like to take risks and they don't like to work hard. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Even since getting into gaming, ever since gaming was real crazy because of the pandemic. | ||
| It was crazy before, but even now that I'm in it and I see a lot of gamers, they're like, oh, I see a lot of these gamers that are just starting. | ||
| They're just starting and they're like, oh, why am I not blowing up like that? | ||
| Why am I not? | ||
| I'm like, mother... | ||
| Try and ask this motherfucker how long he was fucking in this gaming stuff. | ||
| You'd be surprised, you know? | ||
| Like, these guys grinding, grinding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Eight hours a day, all day, every day, day after day after day after day. | ||
| I've seen those guys that are streamers that are really successful and they're never offline. | ||
| Never, ever. | ||
| And then they have to deal with social media. | ||
| I was just talking to my agent. | ||
| I was like, man, I would like to do a study on mental health for gamers or streamers. | ||
| Because a lot of streamers in this past, during the COVID and stuff, since I've been so into it, a lot of people are committing suicide or passing away. | ||
| And I was like, bro, I would love to see... | ||
| What makes it go that way or why they feel like they can't talk to somebody. | ||
| And he was kind of trying to pick it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe because they're in this virtual world. | ||
| So they think so that since they're already in the virtual world, they cannot take out the part of the social media part in it. | ||
| And I was like, oh, I don't know. | ||
| But I'd like to know because social media nowadays is just crazy, bro. | ||
| It gives fucking iron balls to people that has far from them, who has zero balls. | ||
| Yeah, well, it allows people to be detached and to say a lot of mean shit, and it really affects young girls. | ||
| Young girls apparently have it worse than anybody. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's a giant uptick in suicides and self-harm for young girls that's directly correlated with the invention of the smartphone. | ||
| Yeah, because they cannot... | ||
| The young girls, or even people who is affected from it, they just cannot... | ||
| Find the difference between that this is the best part of me. | ||
| Nobody's putting on a fucking shitty ass day. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The top guys, the people who I admire. | ||
| Kylie Jenner or Kim Kardashian is not going to fucking tweet. | ||
| Look at this horrible picture of me with no fucking makeup on. | ||
| They're putting out the hottest picture of them for a fucking reason. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| For a reason. | ||
| Because they want your likes. | ||
| They want this. | ||
| They want that. | ||
| But then the people think this is them all day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then they feel bad about themselves. | ||
| Just because you see them on the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just because you see them on the show. | ||
| They all make up. | ||
| That's not them. | ||
| It's fake. | ||
| Well, not only is that. | ||
| They use applications. | ||
| And they change the way they look. | ||
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To make them look. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They change everything. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people. | ||
| I mean, how much... | ||
| Fucking... | ||
| They're catfishing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They're catfishing you. | ||
| For real. | ||
| Like, they really catfishing you. | ||
| You see these guys in... | ||
| In real life, you see some of these people, they look like the ape ate their face. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| It is crazy how people are so addicted to using filters and so addicted to changing the shape of their waist. | ||
| They suck their waist in with an app and make their tits look bigger. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And then people look at it and they go, why don't I look like that? | ||
| They look in the mirror and that's reality. | ||
| Yeah, and that's sad, man. | ||
| It is sad. | ||
| Don't be like that. | ||
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Go outside. | |
| Get into fucking trouble. | ||
| I always tell my son, he plays games or whatever, you gotta be up to date with what's moving, you know, everything, of course. | ||
| But I tell him, bro, sometimes, bro, just get out of trouble, you know? | ||
| Make someone's parents call me saying that you got into trouble. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, go freaking break an arm or something. | ||
| That's what we did when we... | ||
| I'm sure that's what you did. | ||
| You was outside with your friends just causing havoc and getting into trouble. | ||
| So you tell your son to go cause havoc? | ||
| Sometimes I tell him like, Russ, get out of here. | ||
| Go fall off a tree or something. | ||
| Just go have fun. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Go be a kid for a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does he train? | ||
| He trained jujitsu here, very little bit. | ||
| I don't want him to fight. | ||
| I mean, you know how fighting is. | ||
| I know how fighting is. | ||
| I'm in the mecca of it. | ||
| I don't want him to fight. | ||
| I always tell him that you become a doctor. | ||
| You take care of dad. | ||
| Dad will take care of this part. | ||
| You take care of us. | ||
| You take care of everybody after us. | ||
| We see what happens. | ||
| Like I said, my fiancé is a professional surfer. | ||
| He's been going to surfing so much now. | ||
| He's so in love with surfing. | ||
| I'm like, gosh... | ||
| I'd be pretty cool though if he comes a professional surfer. | ||
| I dig it. | ||
| You're not scared of sharks? | ||
| I mean, we live in Hawaii. | ||
| I'm scared of sharks. | ||
| Hell yeah, I am. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| It's fucking water. | ||
| But I'm not going to be like, Joe Rogan, don't shoot me after breaking an injury in your house. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The ocean is their house. | ||
| They want to attack your ass. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| They have every single right to bite you. | ||
| Because we're in there. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I'm on team people. | ||
| Look at this shit. | ||
| I'll go surfing with a fucking spear gun. | ||
| Oh, perfect. | ||
| That might be the move, right? | ||
| Get a spear gun and use it like a balancing, but like, you know when the dudes walk the tightrope, right? | ||
| They have those balancing poles. | ||
| Maybe that would be a good way to surf. | ||
| Maybe you pitch the idea, because they're stand-up surfing, you know, stand-up paddle. | ||
| Maybe you pitch the idea to Elon of he put something in the paddle where he can, you twist it, you tumble off, it's like a harpoon, you can stab I saw a video today of this shark swimming straight towards this dude. | ||
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Straight at it? | |
| Yep, with a spear gun. | ||
| And the guy shot it in his mouth. | ||
| Yeah, I saw it and he was like, look at his hand. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But you see how fast that shark got to him? | ||
| Dude. | ||
| That's crazy as shit. | ||
| That thing was moving in for a bite. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wonder what kind of shark that was. | ||
| But it's aggressive as fuck, whatever it was. | ||
| And he shot it with its mouth wide open. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And his whole gun went inside. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh my God. | ||
| That was crazy as shit. | ||
| Imagine if that dude didn't have a fucking spear gun. | ||
| That would have been just chomp, chomp, chomp. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| It's four years old. | ||
| Show it to us. | ||
| Did he bite his hand? | ||
| Watch it. | ||
| Go from the beginning where it's swimming towards him. | ||
| Because it starts... | ||
| I just saw it on SportsCenter. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And he just unloads it. | ||
| Look how crazy that is. | ||
| It looks like a video game. | ||
| It does look like a video game. | ||
| How wild is that? | ||
| That's four years old, Jimmy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Upload in 2017. Wow. | ||
| That is nuts. | ||
| I would've ate that fucking shark for sure. | ||
| I'd be like, bitch, I'm getting you. | ||
| You dropped a spear? | ||
| I'm getting that spear. | ||
| If I killed that thing, if that thing was trying to kill me, and I killed it, I am 100% eating that thing. | ||
| I would take all my fucking clothes off and jump in that water and go get that dead shark. | ||
| Like, that's mine. | ||
| No, you gotta. | ||
| I'm eating that thing. | ||
| Yeah, no, you gotta. | ||
| You attack me? | ||
| I'm gonna eat his liver. | ||
| I'm gonna eat his eyeballs. | ||
| I'll eat his fucking brain. | ||
| You don't want to eat his brain. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| You don't want to be as dumb as a shark. | ||
| I'm eating everything he's got. | ||
| I'm gonna eat his dick. | ||
| I'm gonna eat everything. | ||
| I'm gonna make shark fin soup. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| I would 100% eat that thing. | ||
| That would be my number one goal. | ||
| After I realize I survived, I'm like, I am eating this motherfucker. | ||
| I'm going in there. | ||
| I'm here for it. | ||
| If you're ever in Hawaii and that happens, I'd be like, this is fucking hitting my line. | ||
| Dude, I spent days after a bunch of coyotes killed my chickens, I spent days camped out on my balcony with a bow. | ||
| I set up a chicken. | ||
| I took one of the chickens that they killed where I scared him off the chicken and I tied it to a pot. | ||
| It was like a pottery pot, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I tied it with a rope and I set it there and I ranged it. | ||
| It was 25 yards. | ||
| And then I sat there with my bow dialed in at 25 yards just waiting for a coyote to come in. | ||
| And I had all these plans. | ||
| I was gonna kill the coyote and then I was gonna cook his back straps and eat it. | ||
| And then I was gonna take a shit and then put it in a bag and leave it out there. | ||
| Like, look, I ate your friend, motherfucker. | ||
| I had all these plans. | ||
| He's supposed to defer them and stuff and just hang them up and stuff. | ||
| I was going to eat them. | ||
| I was going to eat some of them. | ||
| I was going to eat his loins, his back straps. | ||
| I had it all planned out. | ||
| Did you have it? | ||
| Nah, motherfuckers. | ||
| I was there for days. | ||
| One time, my daughter at the time was only six, and I was ready. | ||
| She was downstairs, and as the coyote was sneaking over the fence, the coyote was there, she's like, Coyote! | ||
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The coyote! | |
| I'm like, ah. | ||
| I should have told her not to yell. | ||
| I should have told her. | ||
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Damn! | |
| She cock-blocked me. | ||
| Yeah, she did. | ||
| But I had this whole plan. | ||
| I was so angry because they killed my chickens. | ||
| I mean, that sounds like a... | ||
| I had a whole plan. | ||
| You're in a fucking crazy land. | ||
| You stamped it like five times on bike. | ||
| I was out there for days. | ||
| Like, hours and hours and hours for days in a row, just waiting. | ||
| Man, you should have YouTubed that. | ||
| That would have been fucking great. | ||
| I think people would probably be pretty mad at me. | ||
| They get mad if you kill coyotes, which is crazy, because coyotes will eat your baby, by the way. | ||
| Oh yeah, they will. | ||
| Those little motherfuckers are monsters. | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| They're just small. | ||
| They're little small wolves. | ||
| I mean, they breed with wolves. | ||
| They're literally wolves. | ||
| They're just a small version of the wolf family. | ||
| And they'll eat your kids. | ||
| They eat your cats. | ||
| They ate my daughter's dog. | ||
| My daughter had a puppy. | ||
| My oldest daughter ate her puppy. | ||
| They ate 22 of my chickens. | ||
| Yeah, they don't fuck around, man. | ||
| I mean, you take for mine. | ||
| I'm taking your life. | ||
| I was going to eat them. | ||
| I had this whole plan. | ||
| I was just sitting there for hours at a time thinking, like, what am I gonna season them with? | ||
| How am I gonna cook them? | ||
| I was gonna eat them. | ||
| I mean, that's the best. | ||
| You gotta have a plan. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Kill it and you gotta be like, then you'd be one of those guys with a dead coyote, like, what the fuck do I do now? | ||
| Well, you know, you could just throw them over the fence or, you know, take them to the woods and drop them off or something like that and let the rats eat them. | ||
| That's no fun. | ||
| I just wanted to let his friends know. | ||
| Like, hey, bitches. | ||
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I got your friend and I'm going to get you too. | |
| The problem is I live in a neighborhood and I can't have a rifle. | ||
| A rifle would have been the way to go because then I could have got him even when my daughter saw him. | ||
| It would have been easy. | ||
| But it's just obviously not a smart move to be firing off a rifle in a fucking residential neighborhood. | ||
| Joe Rogan firing fires, killing coyotes, he's arrested. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not a good move. | ||
| Well, you don't have to worry about it. | ||
| You don't have any predators on Hawaii, right? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I mean, unless, you know, like I said, people got pets of monkeys and shit. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| You really don't know. | ||
| Do they have wild pigs on Oahu? | ||
| Yeah, we do. | ||
| We have boars, yeah. | ||
| We have boars. | ||
| People hunt. | ||
| That's what they hunt. | ||
| And then I think so. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| And then the deer is on Kauai and Maui, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And lanai. | ||
| And lanai, yeah. | ||
| That's a lot of deer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a beautiful place, man. | ||
| You know what's interesting about you and your camp there? | ||
| It's like most champions, most of them, come from big camps. | ||
| They come from American Top Team or Rufus Sport or TriStar. | ||
| These gyms that are real established and have... | ||
| Many, many, many world champions come there and train. | ||
| You came from a gym that really doesn't, it's not a very big gym, doesn't have a lot of people, and you became one of the best fighters in the world from that gym. | ||
| I mean, I think, it's not all me, you know, I think it's my training partners, they put in the time and then... | ||
| Even my coaches, you know, I think every single one of my coaches, I think they lived in crazy land a little bit too. | ||
| So they kind of understand, you know. | ||
| Some of them, bro, only one of them, I think only my striking coach is the only guy that actually fought MMA. Like my main coach, he never fought MMA. He wanted to. | ||
| He trained, he wrestled, he did jiu-jitsu, he did some striking but never did and then... | ||
| My strength and conditioning coach never did. | ||
| He actually just started training MMA fighters when I started with him. | ||
| So it was just all growing pains and we figured it out. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think we all had a little bit of crazy land in us. | ||
| It all freaking worked and we got put in... | ||
| In positions where, like, holy shit, we're really here, so let's do it, you know? | ||
| Like, you know, like, not that much people know, you know, my interim title. | ||
| I mean, you know, but the only reason why I got him, because DC, we was on a co-main event under DC and Anthony Rommel Johnson. | ||
| I think DC, that's when DC sneezed and he threw out his back, because he's old shit. | ||
| DC, I'm sorry, man. | ||
| I'm sorry he's doing you like this. | ||
| I love that band. | ||
| Everybody loves DC. I love DC. But yeah, that's how I got my title fight. | ||
| After nine straight. | ||
| I was on a nine straight fight. | ||
| That was unheard of. | ||
| People getting nine fight win shakes and not getting a title shot. | ||
| And then I get an interim title shot because of DC, you know, thank God for DC being old at that time. | ||
| And we're here, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, we just always, like, they all just kind of... | ||
| And the cool thing, they all kind of just moved to, like... | ||
| They kind of moved to the beat of my drum, but they kind of knew when to kind of, like, ease me back, you know? | ||
| Like, they pull me back. | ||
| Well, that's the thought, is, like... | ||
| What is the best way to run a camp? | ||
| Is it have a bunch of killers in a room like the Black Zillions or like American Top Team or a lot of these camps? | ||
| Or is the best way have one dude that you have a bunch of really intelligent people concentrating on and you get individual attention and that's what you got? | ||
| Oh yeah, 100%. | ||
| You know, like, my coaches, like, we started doing all kinds of stuff. | ||
| Like, when things started falling in place and falling into place, like, everything started going to, like, really focusing on stuff. | ||
| Like, do this, do that. | ||
| And then whenever we hit a roadblock with stuff, we always, like, we always, like, oh, what can we add? | ||
| What can we figure out to get better, to get you better, you know? | ||
| So I got, like, doctors. | ||
| I got, like... | ||
| I got masseuses. | ||
| I got nutritionists. | ||
| I got all kind of stuff. | ||
| When you just have that much in a room of just smart guys, I mean, what is it saying, right? | ||
| If you surround yourself around five geniuses, you're going to become the sixth, right? | ||
| Was this cool to see it all fall into place? | ||
| Yeah, that's the two schools of thought. | ||
| The two schools of thought is be around a bunch of killers and you become a killer. | ||
| Or come from a small gym. | ||
| And there's been other fighters. | ||
| Like Oliveira is another example. | ||
| Charles Oliveira. | ||
| He's not in a big gym. | ||
| He's not on an American top team or anything like that. | ||
| Even Mighty Mouse, right? | ||
| His gym is like... | ||
| Yeah, but he was with Matt Hume. | ||
| Matt Hume is a special dude. | ||
| Matt Hume, first of all, he was a real pioneer of the sport. | ||
| Yeah, that helped. | ||
| He fought way back in the day and was a judge in pride and just has a deep, deep understanding of MMA. And he's a really smart guy. | ||
| Really smart. | ||
| When you talk to him, that guy understands fighting at a level very few people do. | ||
| He could develop many more of those kind of world champions if the right athletes came to him and he put the same amount of time into them as he did with Mighty Mouse. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| It's like some people think you have to spar hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you look at what you did and like, well, you don't really. | ||
| I mean, is there... | ||
| I mean, MMA is such a growing sport at the point of where, is there really a right way to do anything? | ||
| No. | ||
| Not really, you know? | ||
| Like with NFL and stuff, or NBA or MLB, this is things that worked. | ||
| And it really didn't have to evolve, you know? | ||
| And then somebody special, like Steph Curry, come in and doing fast breaks, and then he pulls up on a three. | ||
| Like, any olden days would have been like, what the? | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| Take that straight to the hole and then lay it up or dunk it, you know? | ||
| But he changed that game. | ||
| But, like, is there anywhere else, like, you could really change in other sports? | ||
| Not really, you know? | ||
| Mixed martial arts is the only sport, I think, so that's... | ||
| It's just constantly evolving. | ||
| Even, like, you know, even, like, boxing. | ||
| Boxing is a fine art, but it's like, what can you do a little bit differently, you know? | ||
| But mixed martial arts is just... | ||
| It's always learning, you know? | ||
| Like, it's just always... | ||
| You start seeing different athletes come into the sport, into the area, and then they start doing different cool shit, you know? | ||
| Like, you see that one guy in the UFC fucking backflipping, trying to land on people's stomachs and kicking them, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's crazy as shit. | ||
| Like, is there any really way to go? | ||
| No, you know? | ||
| You just figure it out and whatever works for you, you know? | ||
| It's just like you, the way your story came up, you know? | ||
| Is there a way for someone to be a Joe Rogan? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| You just gotta go out there and work your ass off and then just hopefully you're lined up in the perfect positions for certain deals and you're there. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| You can't tell someone to help become a Joe Rogan or help become an Elon Musk. | ||
| These fucking geniuses. | ||
| There is no way you can tell someone, oh, this is what you do and you're gonna get here. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| I think the thing about MMA, too, is that there's so many different approaches to the actual sport in terms of how you fight. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There's no way you could tell a guy who's a wrestler, like Khabib, that he has to train exactly the same way as a guy like you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Imagine telling Khabib, like, oh, yeah, you need to start throwing more punches. | ||
| I do not need to throw punches. | ||
| I smash you. | ||
| I smash you. | ||
| Change your face. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Send location. | ||
| You eat your face. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| But that's it. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| We are in a weird sport where there is no right way. | ||
| They are kickboxing champions. | ||
| They are wrestling champions. | ||
| They are jujitsu champions. | ||
| There's all these champions as well. | ||
| A lot of people say, oh yeah, but wrestling had the most and blah, blah, this and that. | ||
| But most of the wrestlers are not even wrestling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For the championship, they're using it backwards to strike. | ||
| You know, like, John Donaldson really uses wrestling to wrestle people. | ||
| He strikes with you, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| I mean, even with the Khabib, even with the Conor, like, look, like, he uses wrestling a little bit and then... | ||
| He kind of used it backwards where he landed that big shot because it's a wrestling. | ||
| I don't think there's no right way, man. | ||
| You just figure out what works for you. | ||
| If you think you're going in a room with killers and you're sparring hard every freaking day, go and do it, bro. | ||
| Who am I to tell you no? | ||
| You used to have a hard time cutting weight, but it doesn't seem like you have a hard time cutting weight anymore. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| What did you do differently? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say I had a really hard time doing it, but it's always uncomfortable, but it got a little bit easier. | ||
| I just... | ||
| Like I said, we just... | ||
| I got doctors now. | ||
| We got people who actually, like, focus on that kind of stuff, and they... | ||
| And then I got my beautiful fiancé that's just keeping Balloon Max away from me forever. | ||
| Like... | ||
| I eat so much better now out of camp than I did before. | ||
| Does she eat healthy? | ||
| I was the worst. | ||
| Oh, she eats healthy, yeah, because she's a surfer and they always got to be on, you know, ready to go. | ||
| So I'm like, I was the worst, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Go pull up my Instagram story. | ||
| There's like a throwback of me and like... | ||
| It's unrecognizable. | ||
| Your boy used to get big in between camps. | ||
| What's the biggest you ever got? | ||
| I can't say. | ||
| I'm going to get harassed by my nutritionist if I tell you. | ||
| Tell me the truth. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I used to get big. | ||
| 190? | ||
| I used to get big. | ||
| 195? | ||
| I never, I really don't know what my weight was because I just knew I was big because I looked like an Oompa Loompa. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's why I looked like, or like Violet from Oompa Loompa. | ||
| You know, that's how I looked. | ||
| I didn't, I wouldn't step on the scale. | ||
| The scale wasn't my friends. | ||
| I was like, fuck this. | ||
| I just, you just look in the mirror and you're just like, something does not look right, but let's keep going. | ||
| When you were, the one time where Al Iaquinta wound up fighting Khabib and you were gonna fight Khabib, on last minute notice, how much notice did they give you for that? | ||
| Six days. | ||
| Six days? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was on April Fools. | ||
| And it was to try to make 155. Five, yeah. | ||
| What were you walking around at? | ||
| I mean, I tell you exactly how far we came. | ||
| You know what it was? | ||
| You know what happened? | ||
| That fight? | ||
| Why it was so crazy? | ||
| Is that Lockhart then took me on for the fight. | ||
| Like, you know, we called him. | ||
| We had a talk. | ||
| And then he did a freaking interview. | ||
| Talking about how this is the biggest cut we're ever going to do in a short amount of time, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And then the first thing that happens when I land, I'm fucking meeting with a fucking, not even a UFC doctor, a doctor from New York Commission. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| And then they tell me every single fucking day, they're going to check up on us. | ||
| And I was like, holy shit! | ||
| I was like, what the hell? | ||
| And I was fine. | ||
| And I was a little bit bigger than what I usually was. | ||
| And I was slimming, slimming, slimming. | ||
| And this is when we just got the New York thing. | ||
| We just finally is in New York. | ||
| New York don't even want us there. | ||
| They're fucking looking for every single possible way to get rid of fucking... | ||
| MMA over there, you know? | ||
| And I get there, and then I'm like, bro, I'm like four pounds away from making the weight. | ||
| It's tough, but I'm going to get there. | ||
| I know I'm going to get there, you know? | ||
| And then they come in and they check, and we have like hours left before the weigh-ins do it, you know what I mean? | ||
| They come in, they check, they looked at me, and they said, you don't look good. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| That's all that happened. | ||
| And I walked out. | ||
| That's so ridiculous. | ||
| I wasn't fighting. | ||
| That's so ridiculous. | ||
| I was like, you look skinny. | ||
| I was like, I mean, I'm coming down losing weight. | ||
| I'm pretty sure I'm going to not look like how when I first met you on fucking Monday. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, what is going on? | ||
| That's so stupid. | ||
| How frustrating was that? | ||
| Oh, it was heartbreaking. | ||
| I had my whole family. | ||
| I had a couple people that for the first time was going to be at my fight for the first time. | ||
| We just had it all set up, man. | ||
| And then just to have that was just... | ||
| And you're fighting... | ||
| It's not even that. | ||
| The family and stuff, they understand it. | ||
| That's how it goes, but... | ||
| But the chance of fighting someone at that statue of being, you know, like, and I pride myself on, like, you know, fight anybody, anywhere, anytime, any weight class, and forget that to take away against what he was already considered a number one pound for pound guy in the world before he even had the belt, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, he was, like, one of the scariest dudes, they said, and... | ||
| I just wanted to fight him. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| It was super fun. | ||
| If you go and watch, I think that's the best press conference Khabib ever had was against me and him. | ||
| It was just so fun. | ||
| I don't know if you guys watched it, but I got him talking. | ||
| He's talking back to me. | ||
| He's showing emotion. | ||
| I was like, fuck yeah. | ||
| We're going to fucking do this at the end of the week. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| It was obvious he respected you, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But he was chirping. | ||
| Like, he don't chirp. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| All he says, I'm going to smash you. | ||
| You know, that's all he says. | ||
| And he was talking back to me. | ||
| He was letting me know how it is over there. | ||
| And I was like, fuck yeah. | ||
| You know, like, I was just like, yes. | ||
| Like, this is going to be a fight, you know. | ||
| And just to get, it's history, I guess. | ||
| I guess it was history that got taken away from me. | ||
| That's why I'm so sad. | ||
| And now that he's gone, it's like, fuck. | ||
| Not just that, history by some pencil pushers. | ||
| Some people don't know jack shit, and they're the ones that tell you you can't make the weight. | ||
| History, right? | ||
| I remember hearing that when they said they pulled Max off the weight cut. | ||
| And I said, who pulled him off the weight cut? | ||
| And they said one of the people from the Athletic Commission. | ||
| I said, based on what? | ||
| And they said they didn't like the way he looked. | ||
| And I said, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| This is like when I first landed in New York, they were telling me this. | ||
| And I was like, what are you talking about? | ||
| I go, who? | ||
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Who? | |
| What person? | ||
| I mean, like, it was just tough, you know what I mean? | ||
| It was just tough, man. | ||
| Everybody looks like shit when they're cutting weight. | ||
| They could have gone through the whole card and canceled the card. | ||
| I mean, I used to do it, like, even to today, even when I make 45, people was like, oh my god, you look fucking crazy. | ||
| I'm like, uh, you think? | ||
| I'm cutting weight, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, okay, thank you, Mr. Obvious, you know? | ||
| I was like... | ||
| I'm losing weight. | ||
| How much do you lose when you make 45? | ||
| We usually cut around 10. Not that bad. | ||
| Yeah, not that bad at all. | ||
| It's just hard because I'm skinny. | ||
| I'm a freaking skinny. | ||
| I'm a Samoan and I have fucking humangous-ass bones, I think. | ||
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Humangous? | |
| Bro. | ||
| It's freaking here, bro. | ||
| Isn't it funny that it's harder to cut weight when you're skinny? | ||
| That's one of the things that Lockhart explained to me that I was pretty shocked by, that when you have more muscle, that muscle's mostly water. | ||
| Those guys like Yoel Romero, they can cut a lot of weight. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| When I heard that, I was like, it fucking makes no sense, Lockhart, but whatever. | ||
| You supposedly got this and know what you're doing, so you can't question it. | ||
| He knows what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah, it's cool. | ||
| When you went up to 55, what were you walking around when you fought Dustin? | ||
| I was around 180 or so. | ||
| Not too bad. | ||
| Maybe 183 at the most. | ||
| But that fight wasn't really... | ||
| To put it in perspective, after that fight, I fought two months later. | ||
| And I fought at 45. You know what I mean? | ||
| When I fought him, I was on a two-month notice too. | ||
| So it wasn't like... | ||
| This is an off-season guy. | ||
| I was just training, training. | ||
| Going to 55 was just easier. | ||
| So I wasn't really a committed guy. | ||
| I wasn't really thinking of like, oh yeah, I'm going to just focus on 55 so I can put on some weight and put on some muscle and do this and that. | ||
| It was just one of those things. | ||
| They came up with offers, I did it, and then two months later, I had to fucking get my ass down to fight Frankie Edgar. | ||
| And that was one of the best cuts ever. | ||
| So it was cool. | ||
| If you had to fight at 55, how much time do you think you would like to give yourself? | ||
| You would like to gain weight? | ||
| You would like to do strength training? | ||
| Yeah, I would like to do a little bit of strength training. | ||
| I mean, it is what it is. | ||
| If they call me tomorrow to fight 55, I'll fight them. | ||
| But at the end of the day, in a perfect world, if I got to have at least one... | ||
| That fight was two months. | ||
| I'm in training camp already. | ||
| You're not doing nothing. | ||
| You're not getting stronger. | ||
| You're not getting faster in training camp. | ||
| You just... | ||
| You're getting ready for the fight. | ||
| If we had three months, I think it would have been different. | ||
| If I had that one extra month to do it, I just think if I had that extra time to actually just be in the gym and actually focus on, oh, let's really just put on muscle. | ||
| Let's really get fast twitch here or this and that. | ||
| I think it would have been a little bit more funner. | ||
| Do you think of fighting at 55 in the future? | ||
| Do you think you'll wind up doing that? | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I end up 55. Maybe I committed 55. Maybe even I committed 170. Who knows? | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, maybe I get... | ||
| Maybe 55, we go up there, we see what happens, and then maybe, you know, maybe the thing jumped to 70, the class being the class, you know, so maybe there's a great up there, you know, so... | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| I don't put past anything. | ||
| But if I have time to really fully commit to certain stuff, I know I can do it. | ||
| We're Polynesians. | ||
| You see how us Polis love to eat? | ||
| I'm the smallest Samoan you've probably seen in your life. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm probably one of the smallest ones ever. | ||
| Well, usually they're thick-boned, large people. | ||
| Large human beings. | ||
| Yeah, large human beings. | ||
| They look like gorillas. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Big hands. | ||
| Yeah, everything. | ||
| I'm just the total opposite. | ||
| I don't know what I got. | ||
| Small hands. | ||
| Not really big a thing, you know? | ||
| But you had a really good point last time we talked. | ||
| You were saying that because you don't have a lot of fast twitch muscle fiber and you don't have a lot of power, you have crazy endurance. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And that you either get one or the other. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Guys like Aldo, who has a lot of power, a lot of speed. | ||
| Fast twitch. | ||
| But he wears out. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's just crazy, bro, how they can... | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
| On paper, I was telling Sean them out there, on paper, you put down my stats, no one's going to pick me in a fight. | ||
| What the fuck is this guy? | ||
| Freaking next, you know what I mean? | ||
| But then there's one thing, there's that mental part. | ||
| And that hard part that you can't measure. | ||
| You can't measure the mental whatever. | ||
| No. | ||
| And that's that crazy land part. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, people don't know what the fuck crazy land is. | ||
| So, if they see this guy, like, okay, he got a passport to crazy land, but this is his stats. | ||
| All fucking, you know, out of ten, like threes. | ||
| And then this is the guy. | ||
| He's like nine, nine, all nines, but he, maybe a couple of tens in there, but he don't have a passport to crazy land. | ||
| They'll be like, fuck crazy land. | ||
| This guy is great. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then, When you go in there, you find out that most of the time, the guys with the passport, the crazy lads, they're crazy. | ||
| They figure out a way to win. | ||
| They figure it out. | ||
| The sum of all your parts doesn't equal a championship fighter. | ||
| The mind is such an important part of it. | ||
| I was talking to them outside, back to that conversation. | ||
| I was telling them, like, whenever I talk to an up-and-comer or my friends or I see people training and they're training hard or doing this and that, and I'm just like, bro, this is crazy. | ||
| Like, most of us in the UFC already, right? | ||
| I was like, guys, there comes a point where, like, you're pretty much good. | ||
| Like, everything can get you by. | ||
| You got here already. | ||
| But now the only thing different that's going to get you to the top 15 is mental. | ||
| And then from 15 to 10, the only difference between those guys is mental. | ||
| And then from 10 to 5, same thing. | ||
| And then from champion and everybody else, it's a mental. | ||
| It's a mentality thing. | ||
| It's just something to do with IQ and something. | ||
| That's the only thing that changes. | ||
| We're all good. | ||
| We're all at the mecca of fighting. | ||
| The UFC is where everybody wants to be. | ||
| But what makes me a champion and you not? | ||
| Something gotta be it. | ||
| You can live more ways than me though. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If we're the same weight class. | ||
| You're stronger than me. | ||
| You're faster than me. | ||
| What is the difference? | ||
| What is the difference? | ||
| I believe it's that passport crazy line. | ||
| It's that mental. | ||
| It's that thing like I'm willing to do something that I don't know if you even thought of doing it or if it's presented with you that if you're going to take that chance. | ||
| And it's that but it's also you're willing to put the intensity into your training camps and the focus and dedication Into your craft. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That maybe some people aren't. | ||
| And maybe sometimes people that are really talented, things come a little too easy for them and they don't want to work as hard. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's the downfall with a lot of these guys, you know? | ||
| A lot of these guys is like, they're just like all-stars in their town and playing regular sports, you know what I mean? | ||
| You see it all the time. | ||
| There's all-stars in the towns, whatever, and then they go to the other stuff, and then they're just another guy. | ||
| There's somebody that's faster, stronger, and better than you. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And then when they get there, instead of pushing through, they never had to. | ||
| And then there's that kid that was like just always just kind of made the team. | ||
| And then he's there with you, and he sees that, and he sees you break, and that pushes him. | ||
| And now he's with those guys who's freak athletes, but they all have the mind. | ||
| But this guy don't have the freak athletes, but he get the mind. | ||
| And he's hanging with them because he's figuring out a fucking way to do it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, some of the toughest guys are younger brothers of tough guys. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Oh, because you got to take the shit. | ||
| You got to take the shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And they become durable. | ||
| Yeah, it was kind of backwards growing up with my brother. | ||
| I'm the middle child, but my brother is four years older than me. | ||
| My older brother and my younger brother is one year younger than me. | ||
| So it's kind of backwards. | ||
| My older brother wasn't really tough on us, but... | ||
| It was a point where my younger brother was such a spoiled little prick that he would always get me into trouble from my grandma and grandpa. | ||
| He would do something and he'd cry and be like, no, I did it so I would get to Lickens. | ||
| I think that's where my mentality came by. | ||
| I was always like, motherfucking young brother. | ||
| So, like, even when I fight with my younger brother, he would beat me because, like, I was smaller than him. | ||
| Like, he'd beat me up growing up. | ||
| And the funny thing is, is, like, I told you last time, is that every time when my mom, when I started getting into kickboxing and my mom was telling people, like, hey, let's go. | ||
| My son is going to go watch fight. | ||
| He's going to go fight this week. | ||
| He wants to buy tickets. | ||
| They'll be like, oh, cool. | ||
| Who is Clem fighting? | ||
| And then they'll be like, oh, no, Clem's not fighting. | ||
| Max is. | ||
| And they'll be like, what the fuck? | ||
| Like, Max don't fight? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, what the hell? | ||
| Why is he fighting? | ||
| It doesn't seem funny, you know, but it comes because I just freaking... | ||
| I got freaking so abused and stuff. | ||
| I never thought of that. | ||
| You just pointed it out to me. | ||
| Like, my grandma and grandpa would give me... | ||
| Like, this guy, he would get away with murder and I always got it. | ||
| And then whenever he'd do something stupid... | ||
| Outside we play with our friends, there's a place on our street where we couldn't pass. | ||
| And my grandpa would just be sitting in the gazebo and catch my brother coming back and being like... | ||
| Because he would go in the fucking main road. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| There's a dirt road. | ||
| I was like, bro, take that dirt road. | ||
| Grandpa's always up there drinking his beer. | ||
| Take this damn dirt road so we don't get into trouble. | ||
| He's like, no, no, no. | ||
| Grandpa's not going to be there. | ||
| But I know after all these years, I put it together. | ||
| I'm going to fucking winter road because he wanted to see me get Lickens. | ||
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So at the time, he's like, Max made me go with them. | |
| I didn't want to go. | ||
| And I'd end up getting lickings. | ||
| It'd wrap me up. | ||
| I was like, bro, you told me go. | ||
| What are you telling about? | ||
| The tables is turned. | ||
| You're a little asshole, bro. | ||
| What is he like now? | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| We had to deal with some stuff. | ||
| My family and stuff, we come from drugs and whatever. | ||
| My mom and stuff. | ||
| Except for my grandma and grandpa. | ||
| It's great for them. | ||
| But he got into his trouble and stuff. | ||
| But he's recently been out. | ||
| He's been clean. | ||
| He's been doing his thing. | ||
| I'm proud of him. | ||
| I'm happy of him. | ||
| I always tell him too. | ||
| It's not how you start the race. | ||
| It's how you finish, bro. | ||
| Finish strong, bro. | ||
| You got kids. | ||
| You got focus now. | ||
| I know you think you fucked up, but you never let nobody down yet. | ||
| You got time. | ||
| Just make everything right again. | ||
| Try to get as close as you can to make everything right again. | ||
| That's great advice that you still have time. | ||
| Always. | ||
| You're alive. | ||
| Just keep moving and do better now. | ||
| Make your mistakes. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people, they make these mistakes, and then it just lives with them. | ||
| You know, you just see people burn. | ||
| I mean, you know, I talked to you about it a little bit off the stuff, texted you a little bit about, like, you know, with lines and stuff, and it's just people just, they just hold on to it because they just think so that they can't come back, or they think that, like, they burned someone so bad that there's no coming back from it, or they hurt themselves so bad, but there always is, you know? | ||
| And people are going to forgive. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm not going to forgive you right away. | ||
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But if you earn it, you're going to do it. | |
| Show me that you changed. | ||
| And show the people you changed. | ||
| But a lot of people in this world, they just cop out. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They're like, you know what? | ||
| They're not going to forgive me anyway. | ||
| They start like, look, I said sorry. | ||
| It's like, motherfucker, no. | ||
| One sorry is not enough. | ||
| Prove to me. | ||
| That you're going to change and do it and be a greater human being in this world, you know? | ||
| It's an important lesson that you can't let your past define you. | ||
| Because if you do, you're stuck. | ||
| You're stuck with your earliest mistakes. | ||
| And you see that with some people. | ||
| They fuck up in high school and then they're that guy forever. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| I mean, you see it not even on the negative side. | ||
| You see it on the positive side. | ||
| You see somebody do something great and then they're on that fucking forever. | ||
| Like, motherfucker! | ||
| Like, no! | ||
| It comes too. | ||
| And that's what the bad people don't see. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, the people who fuck up. | ||
| They don't see that. | ||
| They don't see that good people do that too. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, bro, we're all the same. | ||
| You're just walking a different path. | ||
| And you can get on the right path. | ||
| You just gotta focus. | ||
| Find fucking help. | ||
| Ask for help. | ||
| And sometimes people do something really good and then they're scared to take any chances because they think that they did this one good thing. | ||
| And they're not going to do it again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| Like, no, you're going to do it, bro. | ||
| I mean, I had some troubled times and this and that and talking to my coach. | ||
| He always told me this great piece of information. | ||
| He always said... | ||
| Max, you did it once, you can do it again. | ||
| If you did something great in one thing, you can probably do it again in another thing. | ||
| Like, all the time. | ||
| I started from ground zero. | ||
| You can take everything. | ||
| You can strip me back down to fucking ground zero. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| I'm going to build myself right back up. | ||
| Everybody keeps saying... | ||
| This and that about my last fights and well, what about that? | ||
| What about this? | ||
| I'm like, bro like I ain't scared of hard work and like let the man talk let him say you can do what they do, but I ain't scared it took me fucking Nine fight win streak to get an interim title And I mean shout out to my man DC being old for that again like I said and then other things to happen like I ain't scared of working hard, you know like don't be scared and you and And people got to understand that you're great. | ||
| Don't let that one thing define you. | ||
| You should always be looking, how do I get better? | ||
| Imagine if you just was like, oh, Jerry, I'm comfortable just talking to MMA fighters. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Then you wouldn't fucking talk to cool fucking people like Elon Musk and shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Imagine if you put a... | ||
| People, I guess, will cap themselves. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They put a... | ||
| What is that? | ||
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Limitations. | |
| Yeah, they put limitations on themselves, you know what I mean? | ||
| And it's just crazy to me, you know? | ||
| It's just why. | ||
| But that's what makes you a champion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people should think like that, though. | ||
| That's the hard thing. | ||
| It's funny, because I'm talking to you, and you remind me, oh, that's why you're you. | ||
| Even when I tell my coaches, I tell them about something, I'm like, oh, I see somebody doing something. | ||
| I'm like, what are they thinking? | ||
| What are they thinking like that? | ||
| And then, like... | ||
| Well, most people don't think like you, Max. | ||
| I'm like, oh shit. | ||
| But what made you start thinking the way you think? | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| I mean, just... | ||
| I gotta shout out to my grandpa. | ||
| I mean, my grandpa, he never ever... | ||
| He probably kicked my ass if he saw what I was doing for a living today. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, he didn't want us to play any sports. | ||
| He wanted us to be like hardworking men, you know? | ||
| So he instilled hard work in us, you know? | ||
| His thing was like, look, you work hard, you do hard, you finish school, maybe you go to college, you go find a really great job, you get your house, you own your house, you get a wife, you get kids, and that's what you do. | ||
| He just had it all planned out. | ||
| He didn't like us playing sports growing up. | ||
| He was alright with baseball, but any contact sports is what I mean. | ||
| He was totally against football and stuff, like hitting heads and stuff. | ||
| He's like, what the fuck are you doing now? | ||
| It's not going to help... | ||
| Like, he's one of those guys that's not going to help you later on, you know? | ||
| Like, he must be laughing at me. | ||
| Don't you think he'd be proud of you, though? | ||
| I know. | ||
| He probably still kicked my ass. | ||
| I didn't say he wouldn't be proud. | ||
| He still kicked my ass, though. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He'd be proud of shit, and he'd be proud that he kicked my ass after that, you know? | ||
| I never wanted to say he wouldn't be proud, but he kicked my ass. | ||
| But you think that is what instilled this hard work ethic? | ||
| Him. | ||
| It was him. | ||
| And then growing up, I remember, I think I told you this the first time we talked was... | ||
| When I told my grandma when I was 9th grade, I was like, grandma, I'm going to be a professional baseball player. | ||
| And she's like, oh, awesome. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, isn't it great? | ||
| That was my goal for stuff. | ||
| And she was like, yeah, but how are you going to pay for college? | ||
| Because I don't have no money to put you to college. | ||
| And then I was like, she was like, I don't know. | ||
| And she's like, you need a scholarship. | ||
| So she was like... | ||
| Go get a scholarship, do good. | ||
| So I started doing good in school. | ||
| And then I started watching, like, people older than me, like, where I'm from, the Waianae, where I'm from, and, like, the other athletes, and then all the guys who's gifted and good, just kind of, like, just kind of being, like, whatever about it, this and that, or, like, they get in college offers from people, and they're like, ah, you know, I'm probably not going to go because of my girlfriend or my mom. | ||
| And I always thought, like... | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| That was my mind. | ||
| I was like, no way. | ||
| I ain't never letting nobody tell me I can't do it. | ||
| Also, the negative part, I see people tell them, or their parents, or their uncles and stuff, be like, oh, who do you think you are? | ||
| Do you think you can go and do that? | ||
| What's the difference between me and you? | ||
| I was where you was. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And that kind of negativity. | ||
| And that always fired me. | ||
| I always thought... | ||
| Because I wasn't the guy. | ||
| Most of these guys I'm talking about is that stat sheet of 9-9-9-10s, whatever. | ||
| And they all had it. | ||
| And I used to be like, fuck, if I could just run faster. | ||
| If I could just jump higher. | ||
| And I always tell myself, when I get my opportunity, I'm not going to shake it. | ||
| I'm going to use it and take it. | ||
| And that's what it was. | ||
| I saw even close family members, like one of my cousins. | ||
| I fucking love him. | ||
| He's the one that pushed me to be great all the time. | ||
| The reason why I went to high school baseball is because he was playing high school baseball. | ||
| The reason why I was second base, he was second base. | ||
| I just pushed him. | ||
| He always pushed me to be great. | ||
| This showed me from a different side. | ||
| He put his hands in some people and they told him the wrong information and he lost his shot. | ||
| I look at that as a different motivation. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit! | ||
| Like, fuck, it's not only working hard and stuff. | ||
| It's fucking who you talk to and what you do and the right steps you make. | ||
| Because my cousin, when I did it, then he got the wrong information. | ||
| He wasn't able to do what he was supposed to do, you know? | ||
| Because of that. | ||
| And it was just a bunch of shit just growing up from high school time. | ||
| Just watching guys just lose their opportunity. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| I was just heartbroken. | ||
| I was like, bro, there's no fucking... | ||
| I was like, there's no way, like... | ||
| Fuck, I want to, like... | ||
| Not only make it out of Waianae, but I want to fucking move back to Waianae, live here, and show guys and be like, bro, if I can do it, if Max Holloway fucking tree down the line shot, stat Max Holloway out of 10 can make it, you can make it. | ||
| Why not you? | ||
| Because if I told you I was the best fighter out of my hood... | ||
| I would fucking be lying to you. | ||
| There's fucking great guys. | ||
| There's great guys that was coming to me, coming up. | ||
| But the difference between me and them was I made a decision that they all thought was fucking crazy. | ||
| Like, you know, I knew I needed jujitsu. | ||
| And I told them, I'm going over here for jujitsu. | ||
| This is what I need. | ||
| This is what I know is going to keep us in. | ||
| This is what I know is going to take me to the next level. | ||
| And a bunch of them said, yeah, you're fucking crazy. | ||
| And this and that. | ||
| Like, yeah, right. | ||
| You're fucking unloyal. | ||
| You're leaving our team. | ||
| Wow, where your loyalty is and all this bullshit. | ||
| Seven years later, UFC champ, this and that. | ||
| All of them asking. | ||
| All of them telling me now, oh, I wish I went with you when we went. | ||
| And I always told myself, fuck that. | ||
| I'm not going to ever be that guy. | ||
| Look in the mirror and be like... | ||
| What if I did this? | ||
| Or what if I did that? | ||
| Or what if, you know? | ||
| Because I saw uncles. | ||
| I saw guys, like, fucking state champs of our fucking football team, whatever. | ||
| They worked their fucking job from Monday to Friday. | ||
| Friday night, they all sitting around drinking beers, talking to each other, being like, Oh, you met me in high school? | ||
| Yeah, so killer. | ||
| Yeah, Frank, you remember what we did? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I always told myself, fuck that. | ||
| I don't give a shit what the fuck I did in high school. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I go back to tell the kids. | ||
| I go back to tell the kids. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| It's cool being Y Night Famous. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| Actually, I'm cool. | ||
| Actually, state champ, whatever, anti, whatever it is. | ||
| It's cool being Y Night Famous. | ||
| But we can go to Sweden. | ||
| I have fans over there. | ||
| We go to fucking Las Vegas. | ||
| People know me. | ||
| I was fucking rocking on the side of the road in LA. People stopped to take my picture. | ||
| What the fuck is more cool? | ||
| Getting a picture of this. | ||
| Have something to hit you, why not? | ||
| Or fucking in all the world, you know? | ||
| And that's what I told him, you know? | ||
| And then I tell him, why not you? | ||
| Why not you? | ||
| And then, because it's just so negativity, you know? | ||
| We just come from a negative place. | ||
| It's not even people hitting down, why not? | ||
| It really be your own people. | ||
| You start hearing stuff, and it hurts your feelings, you know? | ||
| But at the end of the day, I just wanted to show, like, fuck, we can do it, you know? | ||
| I came from... | ||
| It's not... | ||
| The one thing that I told Teddy to them is, like, it's not... | ||
| It's not where you train. | ||
| It's not where you get your education, not where it is. | ||
| It helps. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| But it's how you do it. | ||
| It's how you apply yourself in certain situations. | ||
| It's how you're going to go after certain things. | ||
| And that was the thing that made me want to be great. | ||
| I just saw so much people let go of their talents and use it or make other people do mistakes and then they start blaming people. | ||
| And I always wanted to tell myself, I was like, fuck, no, I ain't blaming nobody. | ||
| If I screw up, I'm going to be able to look in the mirror and screw up. | ||
| That's the way I attack my fights, you know? | ||
| If I go out there, I lose. | ||
| At least I can look myself in the mirror and say, you gave it all you got, Max. | ||
| That's all you can do. | ||
| That guy beat the best Max Holiday was that night. | ||
| But I want to see that motherfucker try again. | ||
| Because I'm coming back. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's interesting how some of the best lessons you learn from other people's mistakes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And ain't that the greatest? | ||
| And it's funny because there's a bunch of stuff that I do try to help some people coming up and I tell them, look, let's do this or try this or try that. | ||
| And they don't try it. | ||
| And I'm like, motherfucker, I did it. | ||
| I'm going to what you just went through. | ||
| I'm going to it for walk for walk. | ||
| And I went do it. | ||
| And I'm telling you, I'm the person that did it. | ||
| I'm telling you, like, try this. | ||
| And then they don't do it. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, man. | ||
| And then I think back. | ||
| I'm like, fuck. | ||
| Maybe you gotta let them go through that because I needed that. | ||
| Like, when I go back into myself and I think, like, frick, yeah, why are you the savior? | ||
| Like, let them do that. | ||
| If they don't want to listen, they don't want to listen. | ||
| You know, you can take the horse to the well, but you can't force them to drink. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And if they want to go that hard way, cool. | ||
| Look, I'm over here. | ||
| I'm telling you, fucking, this is Mario Kart land. | ||
| Jump in this fucking pipe. | ||
| You come up another one. | ||
| It's right to the finish line, bro. | ||
| Or you can walk past it and you gotta fucking go through everything and a bunch of mushrooms and turtles attacking your ass. | ||
| Some people have to learn from their own mistake, and that's the only way. | ||
| Because they see a guy like you, and they want to believe that they're smarter than you. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's funny when you say that. | ||
| Yeah, that's funny. | ||
| Because then they're like, who the fuck are you? | ||
| Yeah, they want to believe. | ||
| I don't have to listen to him. | ||
| I can do it this way. | ||
| I can do it that way. | ||
| You know, it's interesting, too, that when you're saying that your physical skills, if you looked at your speed or your power, it's like a three down the line. | ||
| What's interesting is that fighting is a unique sport in that you can dominate people with your mind and your work ethic and your technique and your skill. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You need those things. | ||
| You need them. | ||
| You can't beat threes. | ||
| You can't beat somebody with your mind. | ||
| Unless you talk the shit out of them. | ||
| You get in on race day. | ||
| I'm going to eat your feet. | ||
| I'm a chimpanzee. | ||
| I'll bite your finger. | ||
| Your fucking dick is mine. | ||
| But if you're racing against Usain Bolt or something like that, man, it don't matter. | ||
| It don't matter. | ||
| He's just got these gifts. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he works hard, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, yeah, at that level, everybody's working hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when you got the 10-10 stats and you fucking got crazy, like Usain Bolt, did you hear his story? | ||
| Like, he made his own freaking, what is that, that recovery thing? | ||
| Like, the thing that helps you with your... | ||
| Recovery, you lay in that barrel thing. | ||
| Oh, the ice barrel? | ||
| No, the... | ||
| Sensory deprivation tank? | ||
| Hyperbaric chamber. | ||
|
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Hyperbaric chamber? | |
| He made his own? | ||
| He made his own. | ||
| How? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He built his own. | ||
| People were telling me about it, and I thought it was crazy shit, but he's poor and stuff, and he fucking built this can thing that he lined, and it helped him. | ||
| I was like, how the fuck does that even work? | ||
| Hyperbaric chambers are supposed to be amazing for recovery. | ||
| Have you ever used one of those? | ||
| I used one, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, how did it help you? | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| You just feel refreshed, you know? | ||
| It's so expensive, but I think the best recovery thing that I like is a normal tech or something, you know, when you put it on. | ||
| Yeah, I love those. | ||
| It's like, bro, my legs can be just hammered. | ||
| Hammered. | ||
| You put that on, you feel like... | ||
| I love those. | ||
| You feel like you're ready to go 10 more rounds. | ||
| That company, Hyperice, they make a lot of great shit. | ||
| They make these vibrating balls, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I had one of those. | ||
| I had it when it was the first one, when it dropped out. | ||
| We have a whole rack of them out here. | ||
| The other day, I tweaked my back. | ||
| I tried to get a quick workout in with kettlebells, and I didn't warm up enough. | ||
| I just started swinging kettlebells and shit, and I'm like, ooh, what is that? | ||
| And I came in here and put that thing on. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I laid it and put it on the ground and rolled it on my back. | ||
| It's like, ah! | ||
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But it just popped. | |
| I can hear things popping. | ||
| Like, hear things popping loose. | ||
| Are you sure you did? | ||
| I know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if you did work out, but did you sneeze first? | ||
| Because that's the main thing. | ||
|
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Is that good? | |
| No, if you sneezed, you threw your back out like DC. Oh, like DC? I'm older than D.C., man, but I don't hurt my back when I sneeze. | ||
| But you can. | ||
| I fucked my neck up once in, this was back when I had hair, reaching for shampoo in the shower. | ||
| Didn't make any sense. | ||
| I was training jiu-jitsu almost every day. | ||
| But that's why. | ||
| Ah, what the fuck? | ||
| But that's why you got hurt, because you're training Jiu Jitsu every day. | ||
| But I was reaching for shampoo, not getting neck cranked. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Your body must think like, oh my god, somebody's shoulder is supposed to be here and then just use it to the moment. | ||
| It's like, ah, ah. | ||
| I don't know what it was, but it's one of those weird things. | ||
| Sometimes you just aren't paying attention. | ||
| You bend over to pick something up and pop! | ||
| Something goes in your hamstring. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah, it is weird, man. | ||
| The human body is so complex. | ||
| It's frustrating, right? | ||
| It's just crazy. | ||
| So, do you do hyperbaric chambers as a part of your regular recovery when you're in camp? | ||
| No, I did it a long time ago. | ||
| We had this rich guy where we used to train and he just kind of had one at his house and then he just brank it. | ||
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Really? | |
| You didn't get one at your house? | ||
| Yeah, it's like this little middle machine pump thing and then it's a big tube one. | ||
| I don't know what brand it is. | ||
| When you get in that, if you want to get out, do you have to have someone get you out? | ||
| No, the zipper is two-sided, so you can zip from the inside and outside. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That always freaked me out about hyperbaric chambers. | ||
| You're in that thing, you know? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I hate it, you know? | ||
| I do so much doctor stuff, like blood tests and scans and whatever, and I just feel like a lab rat. | ||
| I fucking hate it, bro. | ||
| You're just lying down on shit all the time, especially the MRIs. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, you hear the shit, you got earplugs in. | ||
| I'm like, bro, you're in there for like 45 minutes. | ||
| They're like, Mr. Holloway, stop moving. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, I'm falling asleep and twitching, that's why. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Okay, I'm going to stay up for 45 minutes. | ||
| It's so irritating lying right here. | ||
| Those things are very loud in that thing. | ||
| I don't know how you could fall asleep in there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a gift. | ||
| Me and my son has this gift. | ||
| You know Rush, when he goes to my fight, and it's late, right? | ||
| When some of the fights, the pay-per-view cards in the East Coast especially, he falls asleep during the main cards. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Right before my fight, he's knocked out. | ||
| He's knocked out right there. | ||
| This is like... | ||
| Like, he fell asleep, like, doing, doing, um, when, um, Cowboy fought, uh, not Cowboy, but, uh, Cobb Swansea fought Duhu Choi. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a crazy fight. | ||
| And everybody's screaming and shit, and he's just, like, sleeping the whole time through it, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, fucking kid's a legend. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, basically, I don't know, we just have a, like, my, my fiancé always tells me that, like, you just have a fucking gift that you can sleep wherever you want. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| When I got to sleep, I got to sleep. | ||
| Recovery is important. | ||
| You just go to sleep. | ||
| Also, you train so hard, you're probably always kind of a little tired. | ||
| Yeah, I'm just exhausted. | ||
| What you said, I explained to people, I get so mentally tired sometimes after training because I'm just so focused. | ||
| Or even playing video games, I'm so focused. | ||
| I'm just like, I don't get none of you. | ||
| You just come down from upstairs and you fucking go to sleep. | ||
| I'm like, I'm sorry, babe. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| He's like, yeah, well, give me that energy that you give. | ||
| Because I'm like, yo, what's up, stream me, stream! | ||
| You know, like, I'm just going crazy, you know? | ||
| That's like, you suck, you know? | ||
| Like, whatever, playing, whatever. | ||
| And then... | ||
| And as soon as it's done, it's just... | ||
| I'm just mentally exhausted, you know? | ||
| I'm just thinking, like... | ||
| Because then you've got to think of what you're moving, where it goes, because it's kind of... | ||
| There is most parts where it is high-paced. | ||
| It's like, okay, there's a fucking box right here. | ||
| I've got to go right. | ||
| This guy could go left, right, up, down. | ||
| I've got a fucking... | ||
| I've got a jump shot, drop shot, you know? | ||
| It's just stupid stuff. | ||
| And you use consoles only? | ||
| I use PC. I play PC. Oh, okay. | ||
| So you use mouse and keyboard. | ||
| I use... | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm fucking... | ||
| I cannot. | ||
| I don't think I'm that much... | ||
| I think so. | ||
| You got to go live it more into crazy land for that. | ||
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Really? | |
| My brain doesn't work like that. | ||
| I'm all controller. | ||
| But controllers aren't as accurate. | ||
| I mean, yeah, that's what people say, but I feel fine. | ||
| Do you think you... | ||
| I mean, are the best players PC guys with a mouse and keyboard? | ||
| There's some guys that play PC and some guys that play controller that's just like neck and neck. | ||
| Jamie, what do you think? | ||
| I mean, the guy you were talking about earlier, Nick Merckx, he plays with a controller. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Yeah, Zlaner, bro. | ||
| Try and search up this guy named Zlaner. | ||
| Is he the best guy? | ||
| He's really good. | ||
| They're really good. | ||
| There are people that are really good. | ||
| There's videos of little kids playing Fortnite on an iPad. | ||
| They don't have a controller. | ||
| They're using the mobile version, but they're playing against everyone on keyboard and fucking them up. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They're swiping on the screen. | ||
| Those goddamn kids, though. | ||
| They're fucking next level. | ||
| Kids are next level. | ||
| They're crazy as shit. | ||
| They can do things... | ||
| They adapt. | ||
| Yeah, they adapt so quick. | ||
| They don't have any information they had. | ||
| They don't have mortgages. | ||
| They never got laid. | ||
| They don't know shit. | ||
| I ain't thinking of nothing, yeah. | ||
| But I would always imagine that you can't be as accurate with your thumbs as you can moving a mouse. | ||
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Yeah, I guess. | |
| Because that's how it is in Quake. | ||
| I mean, you get somewhat aim assist, right? | ||
| Do you have that extra controller, Max? | ||
| Do you have the extra buttons on it? | ||
| I use a C40 Astro and we get panels behind to jump and then I use one side to sprint. | ||
| That's the only... | ||
| I've never ever used those. | ||
| You probably haven't either. | ||
| They have extra buttons. | ||
| Your extra fingers that aren't being used can do stuff. | ||
| So instead of going like all the stuff, like I'm just... | ||
| My fingers is always... | ||
| My thumbs is always on top of my joysticks no matter what. | ||
| And so... | ||
| And it's all automatic in your head now. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The craziest thing... | ||
| Did you ever see like one of my friends play? | ||
| It's called Claw. | ||
| They hold the fucking controller like this, bro. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| Like after a couple of times, I tease him like... | ||
| His name is Bird too, so it's funny. | ||
| How does he hold it? | ||
| He holds the controller like this. | ||
| Like a claw? | ||
| Claw right there, you see? | ||
| So weird. | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
| So you never have to move your thumb. | ||
| You don't have to move your thumb at all. | ||
| It takes like, you lose milliseconds when you move that thumb off of there to hit another button. | ||
| And that's like, if you moved your hand off your mouse, why would you ever do that? | ||
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You wouldn't. | |
| So, you're moving left, right, and all that shit, with which side? | ||
| With the left thumb, and then the right thumb, you're aiming, and then all the other buttons is reloaded. | ||
| So you're touching with the side of your fingers? | ||
| Bro, I don't know. | ||
| You're talking to... | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I just buy a controller with extra buttons. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So these are for people who don't use the extra buttons. | ||
| Yeah, or some people, they buy the extra, but then they still play like that. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Maybe just get used to it. | ||
| People get accustomed to all kinds of weird things. | ||
| You get accustomed to doing things wrong. | ||
| I remember when I was teaching martial arts, one of the hardest things was teaching a guy who learned how to kick the wrong way. | ||
| I could take someone who didn't know how to kick at all, and I could teach them so much easier. | ||
| But if you took someone who came from some janky school that didn't really know what they were doing, and they developed some weird way of kicking, and I'd be like, oh man, this is harder than teaching someone who doesn't know anything. | ||
| It's mechanics. | ||
| They're getting greened. | ||
| You see different people from... | ||
| Different schools, jiu-jitsu schools, they're doing the armbar and shit, and they're going from step one to step six. | ||
| Are you fucking crazy? | ||
| You're insane. | ||
| You're Captain Insano right now. | ||
| Whatever crazy land you're in, you're in the wrong one, bro. | ||
| Come on back. | ||
| That's why it's so important to learn technique correctly. | ||
| You've got to learn it correctly the first time. | ||
| You see it with punches, you see it with kicks, you see it with everything. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu, everything. | ||
| You have to learn it right. | ||
| Yeah, and that's why I like, yeah. | ||
| You can get creative afterwards. | ||
| Yeah, it's always hard training someone or teaching someone something that they've already been taught before. | ||
| So you're trying to teach them the right way. | ||
| So it's always hard. | ||
| But if you just get a blank paper and you tell them to do this, they're going to do it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, the thing is like under pressure. | ||
| When someone learns something the wrong way and then under pressure, like sparring, when they're tired or something like that, that's when the bad technique comes out. | ||
| Even that, yeah, it's the same thing as when you take that person and you finally get them trying the right way and then the pressure comes in and then they just remember they did a thousand reps in the wrong way, that thousand reps get caught up, you know what I mean? | ||
| Especially guys that keep their head up in the air and their chin up in the air when they panic. | ||
| Because they just got so used to training like this, and then you get them used to this, and then when shit starts flying... | ||
| When they start slugging, they're like... | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's like, no, bro, don't do that. | ||
| Do you think you'll ever be a trainer? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I always tell my coaches or even everybody else that when I'm done fighting, I want to be away from the game. | ||
| I don't want to have to do nothing about it. | ||
| Maybe... | ||
| Maybe sit down cage side with you sometimes. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| Talk the shit with you and just do it, you know? | ||
| If we ever do a show in Hawaii and you're not on the card, you've got to do commentary. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I'm a fucking... | ||
| Yeah, we have stuff. | ||
| So, we see what happens. | ||
| But, I don't know. | ||
| Every time I do coach and everybody's like, oh, you're such good, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Or they tell me, oh, you're pretty good, this and that. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| Fuck, I just don't want to be around it, you know? | ||
| Because it's so overwhelming? | ||
| Yeah, I'm just at that level where it's like, frick, I don't want to be a part of the game, you know? | ||
| It's like Kobe, you know? | ||
| When he wanted to get off, he had certain things lined up already, you know? | ||
| To get away from the game of basketball, and then his daughter pulled it back in. | ||
| But that's how I want to be, you know? | ||
| If Rush wanted to do it, maybe. | ||
| But even that, I don't even want to be his coach, because... | ||
| So close. | ||
| Yeah, you're so close. | ||
| It's too much on the line. | ||
| We see. | ||
| I never say never. | ||
| I'm a big Justin Bieber fan. | ||
| Other than video games, do you have anything that you could see yourself doing when you retire? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe like... | ||
| I like talking stuff. | ||
| Maybe call you up and harass you to see how podcasts go, you know what I mean? | ||
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Yeah, why not, man? | |
| Talk story with people. | ||
| But I'm not as smart as you. | ||
| I'm just sitting out there, Joe, and you're telling me stories about how the human brain came because people was eating mushrooms out of cow manure and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| What the fuck takes their time to watch this? | ||
| I'm like, what is this? | ||
| And then I watch the podcast, and you're just saying shit, y'all. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, this is... | ||
| But it's the same thing as training. | ||
| If you went back to me in 2009 when I first started doing the podcast, I was an idiot. | ||
| I've learned how to do this better. | ||
| I just learned things. | ||
| I've been doing this 11 years. | ||
| So it's like 11 years of having conversations with very smart people and then reading a lot of shit and watching a lot of documentaries and I retain information. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| Yeah, I see. | ||
| That's crazy that you said that because a lot of people... | ||
| I was talking to Shab before I came. | ||
| I talked to Shab a little bit. | ||
| And a lot of people, they see your deal that you signed with Spotify and they're like, what the fuck? | ||
| Why the hell I can't have that? | ||
| And then it's like, dummies. | ||
| I put 11 years of work out there. | ||
| They're buying the 11 years of work, you stupid asses. | ||
| People don't get it. | ||
| It's also one thing that I always tell these comics, and most of them don't listen. | ||
| I'm like, do more. | ||
| Do more shows. | ||
| You don't have to do one a week. | ||
| Why are you doing one a week when you can do four a week? | ||
| Do four or five. | ||
| Don't burn out, but just keep doing it. | ||
| The more you do it, the better you get at it. | ||
| It's just like jujitsu or anything else. | ||
| Anything you do. | ||
| I told people, it sucks now for Hawaii because since they sanctioned fights down there, When I was coming up as a kickboxer, it had no athletic commission. | ||
| It had none. | ||
| People could just put fights every week. | ||
| I had like four fights a week. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I remember one kickboxing fight, I fought Friday and I fought Saturday. | ||
| I weighed in on Friday the same day as one of my fights, but that's when you walked around the way you fought. | ||
| I just kickboxed it. | ||
| And I did this, like, not that much people know. | ||
| I had, like, freaking, like, maybe, like, I don't know, like, 80 to 100 fights before even, like, turning professional. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I had 10 MMA amateur fights, I think, or whatever. | ||
| Maybe a little bit more, but my kickboxing fights to, like, just even, like, exhibition fights that you just fight, because I just want... | ||
| Like, you know, for me, for my reason, I knew I wanted to fight, but I also, I didn't have money, so I wanted to get in the fights for free and watch the fights and hang out with my friends, you know? | ||
| But I just, I tell you, knowledge is everything. | ||
| Like, I fought hurt. | ||
| I kicked someone and my toes started hurting and I had to figure out a way. | ||
| I punched someone and I stopped throwing that punch, which made me lose the fight. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Later on, you go into this mental agreement and you're like, bro, if this happens again, you got to freaking keep fighting, you know? | ||
| Versus a lot of these guys, they have no amateur. | ||
| They do these things so they can become pro. | ||
| And then when they run into this big problem, it affects them a lot because they didn't know how to deal with it at first, you know? | ||
| So, yeah, it just goes to the take of that. | ||
| Like, why not do more? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Less is more when you get a little bit closer to where you want to be, but in the beginning, man, especially amateurs, I tell guys, like, bro, who the hell cares that your amateur record is, you know, like, 9 and 6. No one cares because once you turn pro, it's zero and zero. | ||
| If you're over here, like 0 and 100, I'd be like, oh, brother. | ||
| Let's have a talk. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| But come on. | ||
| It comes a different way. | ||
| You lose some decisions and stuff. | ||
| You're learning. | ||
| But you're learning. | ||
| It's all learning. | ||
| So when you get to the big show, it all counts. | ||
| I see people like, I just want to be pro. | ||
| I want to make money. | ||
| I'm like, it's not the way. | ||
| It's with everything, man. | ||
| It's with everything. | ||
| I used to see it in jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I would train, especially when I was real busy, I'd train once or twice a week, and then there'd be guys in the gym that were training five days a week, and man, I'd see them get so much better than me. | ||
| I was like, yep, that's just what it is. | ||
| It's just what it is. | ||
| And that's the most beautiful thing, especially about jiu-jitsu. | ||
| The thing that I love about jiu-jitsu is that... | ||
| You just see normal guys, whatever. | ||
| They're just getting great at something. | ||
| And then most of these motherfuckers just look like, they just look like, you know, like I love them. | ||
| They're my friends. | ||
| They look like weirdos. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They just look like weirdos. | ||
| Like the type of weirdos that you see at the club and be like, yeah, I'm going to punk this guy in front of my girl to make me look cool. | ||
| And you punked the wrong one because you just got choked out. | ||
| And your girl got stolen, so it's funny. | ||
| Legitimately. | ||
| Not a wise move. | ||
| A lot of these fucking nerds are straight up killers. | ||
| Did you see that video of these two football players? | ||
| I did. | ||
| And you see this guy, he's got a bloody nose. | ||
| I don't know what happened before. | ||
| I think he got forced. | ||
| I think the reason why he did something, I think so that guy hit him first. | ||
| And I was like, bro, this is self-defense. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| See, he's got a bloody nose, and you see the other guy pushes him, and he's like, okay, time to show you. | ||
| And that guy, he was like the man. | ||
| I think he was like the football player at a college or something there. | ||
| Like, he was the man around town, so... | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you try to go over there trying to be like the man. | ||
| That doesn't help, and then... | ||
| He got a viral video of you. | ||
| I don't even know if you were starting. | ||
| It looks like Ben Askren, but it definitely wasn't. | ||
| But look, his nose is already bleeding, right? | ||
| So something already happened, and him and the other guy play this, because I love this video. | ||
| Can you not play it in the background? | ||
| I didn't have it ready to go. | ||
| Oh, can you press that button? | ||
| Oh, it's fake. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So Oklahoma player, bar fight. | ||
| So these fucking guys are obviously, these smaller guys not trying to start a fight. | ||
| And you see his friends like, come on, bitch. | ||
| And he pushes them. | ||
| Yeah, you better listen to your friends. | ||
| So he's talking to the other guy like, okay, you take the big guy. | ||
| And you see him push him and he touches the blood on his nose and just punches that guy. | ||
| Ducks under. | ||
| Look at this takedown. | ||
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Beautiful. | |
| Beautiful. | ||
|
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Boom! | |
| And the other guy's got the other friend, and he doesn't know what the fuck to do. | ||
| He's got him wrapped up. | ||
| Look at this dude. | ||
| Takes his back with cowboy boots on, son. | ||
| He's got cowboy boots on, taking this dude's back. | ||
| Gets the hooks in. | ||
| But watch this one. | ||
| Watch this one. | ||
| He gets slammed. | ||
| The guy to the right side of the watch. | ||
| In his head and everything. | ||
| Yeah, the big guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, this is his friend who took the second guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, you're dead. | ||
| Yeah, here it comes. | ||
| You're dead. | ||
| Keep punching until you knock out. | ||
| Well, look, he grabs his collar. | ||
| He's choking him out with his own sleeve. | ||
| Oh, yeah, he's collar choking. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| You're dead. | ||
| Yeah, he gets slammed into the wall, and he gets pounded. | ||
| And now people are... | ||
| But the cowboy boots are the finishing touch. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| That is so sick. | ||
| But these two assholes that started this whole shit, you can clearly see they're fucking with these dudes. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You clearly see it. | ||
| Videos like that make me feel good. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I don't like when people get beat up, but I do like when people get beat up when they deserve it. | ||
| When you're acting, I could see if he was pushing him. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And him being the punk. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's funny because I would say at least 95% of people who know how to protect themselves in that situation... | ||
| He's doing the right thing and trying to go. | ||
| These videos go viral because somebody is overzealous. | ||
| They think they're somebody in life. | ||
| They think they can take you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then they find out the wrong way and now you're in the wrong because you're giving him what the hell he wanted. | ||
| That's going to stay with him forever. | ||
| That's had millions and millions and millions of views. | ||
| Oh yeah, he's not getting drafted. | ||
| Being an asshole. | ||
| Him being an asshole and a smaller guy with cowboy boots on fucking him up. | ||
| You gotta live with that. | ||
| He deserved it. | ||
| That's one of those things. | ||
| He deserved it. | ||
| He's probably fine. | ||
| Probably got some bruises on his face and his ego's more fucked up than anything. | ||
| And maybe he'll learn some jujitsu now. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But leave people alone, man. | ||
|
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Leave them alone. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And then maybe you become more humble because now you can just let them go. | ||
| Like, the people who don't... | ||
| Bro, the loudest guy in the room is the one that you don't have to be worried for. | ||
| You hear somebody yapping and you can fight, you look for that guy because you know he ain't doing nothing. | ||
| He ain't doing nothing. | ||
| His weapon is already being used. | ||
| It's his words. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you go back and you live in Waianae still, right? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| But is it weird walking around in your neighborhood? | ||
| I mean, do you get swarmed? | ||
|
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Not really. | |
| I mean, everybody see me. | ||
| I'm there all the time. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
|
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You know what I mean? | |
| So it's normal. | ||
| Yeah, it's really fine. | ||
| It's like if LeBron go back to Akron. | ||
| I heard that people don't really care. | ||
| People don't lose their minds. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, people say he can just sit down at any restaurant and he's fine over there. | ||
| And that's his home time because they watch him play basketball from when he was a young kid. | ||
| But I would imagine you just can't get any time to yourself. | ||
| People are knocking on your door. | ||
| Hey, Max! | ||
| How did you do it? | ||
| Hey Max, tell me what to do! | ||
| I mean, it's alright. | ||
| I have to beat sometimes when I with my son. | ||
| We get kind of overwhelmed, but it's not really local locals. | ||
| It's most of the time that people are coming in and they see us out. | ||
| Yeah, because I'm always on our side of the island, you know what I mean? | ||
| I stay low-key, but I'm low-key doing stuff with my family, but I'm not freaking... | ||
| Do people knock on your door? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Only people who know where I live. | ||
| And then some people, they're kind of trying to guess, but they kind of respect it. | ||
| So it's super cool. | ||
| Well, that's good. | ||
| Yeah, it's super cool. | ||
| People are super nice. | ||
| Yeah, it's super cool. | ||
| Because you've got to be like a hero to the neighborhood. | ||
| Yeah, it's always cool seeing the kids. | ||
| As soon as they know my car I drive, so I'm driving to... | ||
| What kind of car you drive? | ||
| I have a Tesla. | ||
| And it doesn't help that I fucking wrapped it the most loudest color in the world. | ||
| What color? | ||
| It's this red. | ||
| It's like a matte... | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| It's like a matte chrome, though. | ||
| So when the sun hits it, it's like a chrome delete. | ||
| So then whenever the kids, and you just see them all fucking shocking on their stuff and fucking trying to do Papa Wheelies next to them, I'm like, okay, don't fall in the middle of the road so I don't bang you. | ||
| It's just an awesome scene. | ||
| Hopefully you give... | ||
| Hopefully one of the kids that I see playing or whatever, they freaking be something great, you know? | ||
| And I get to be a part of that because they said, like, oh, I saw you doing this and that. | ||
| You know, I'll be the freaking greatest feeling in the world. | ||
| Well, it's got to be, to them, a real inspiration because one of the things you were talking about... | ||
| Where people, you grow up in a toxic environment where everybody's always complaining and no one ever does anything and they get jealous of other people. | ||
| If they see a guy who's positive, who makes it... | ||
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You change it. | |
| You change the culture. | ||
| You change the culture. | ||
| And that's what we try to do. | ||
| It's just funny. | ||
| I had these talks. | ||
| People tell me, oh, why don't you move out? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Blah, blah, this and that. | ||
| I'm like, frick, man. | ||
| I can't ever... | ||
| I think of it like maybe I should for training because I got to drive like 45 minutes or something to training to the gym. | ||
| Traffic, maybe an hour. | ||
| But it's like, man, like, I'm like, do I really want to do that? | ||
| Like, I just love, like, this fucking city is just a part of me. | ||
| Like, I just love being here, you know? | ||
| Like, there's this drive, like, there's this hill that you come over when you start coming to Waianae, to Nanakuli. | ||
| Like, you can see the sunset and stuff, and I see it all the time. | ||
| I'm like, bro, I can't give this up. | ||
| Like, this is what I want, and then... | ||
| And I just always wanted to be the person, like, I remember people telling me, like, you're not gonna ever, if you, like, be great in fighting, you need to move. | ||
| You know, like, this is, look, look, oh, BJ, BJ moved, he trained in Cali, oh, this and that. | ||
| Like, yeah, he's back home, but he moved first. | ||
| And I always wanted to tell everybody, like, fuck that, I don't have to move anywhere. | ||
| I'm gonna be great from here. | ||
| And then, same thing where I'm from, like... | ||
| Why move out? | ||
| If it was super dangerous, don't get me wrong, it's not crazy dangerous, but if it's super dangerous, why? | ||
| Yeah, I would think of it, but why not? | ||
| It's not that crazy. | ||
| It can be crazy, but then... | ||
| I've been there my whole life. | ||
| Everybody know who I am. | ||
| And just being there and sitting in there, it's that kid. | ||
| The kid's like, oh look, he still lives here, so I can maybe live here and do it from here. | ||
| And really change the culture that way. | ||
| And really change it. | ||
| And that's what you do. | ||
| You surround yourself with... | ||
| Whatever you want to be. | ||
| If you got five genius friends, if you're hanging out with them all the time, you're probably going to become the next genius. | ||
| If all your friends got business owners, their own business owners, guess what? | ||
| You're probably going to be the sixth business owner of your group. | ||
| That's just what happens. | ||
| You are who you... | ||
| It's your own-yourself way. | ||
| That's got to be true. | ||
| I mean, you must have a positive impact on those kids. | ||
| I mean, especially when they hear something like this, where you're talking about your work ethic, you're talking about how you value time, you value your trainer's time, you value your own time. | ||
| Those are massive lessons for a young kid, because sometimes when you're a kid, all you hear is dumb lessons. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| a bunch of people and the thing is and it's funny because then I was able to it's been super hard lately to get to the to to the intermediate and talk about career day I used to do create a bunch and when I would go there I would go to my classroom with the same teacher with the same table layout and I used to tell them I used to sit right there Wow. | ||
| And I would tell him, I used to sit right there when I was in class. | ||
| But guess where I was? | ||
| I was fucking with my counselor, fucking doing stupid shit. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| You was a bad kid. | ||
| I was like, Mr. Smotis is his name. | ||
| I was like, ask Mr. Smotis. | ||
| I was the most terrible kid ever. | ||
| What does he say? | ||
| He's like, yes, he was! | ||
| Bro, I was just hanging out with... | ||
| They still my friends today, but I think so we all could sit down in a group and just agree that we were jackasses. | ||
| We had three of us. | ||
| We was the three muster tears of doing dumb, stupid stuff all the time. | ||
| Yeah, and when I was in class, that was my chair, I would tell them, but I was always with the counselor. | ||
| And I told them, look, one thing that you guys can see is, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| When I came to 9th grade, I knew I needed grades, I needed that, I really turned it around. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's when I was in 8th grade, and I was crazy. | ||
| I was just stupid. | ||
| 7th, 8th grade, just... | ||
| 7th grade. | ||
| I only passed 7th grade because somehow the teacher feels so touched for me because I wasn't a dummy, but he knew I was a good kid. | ||
| He'd come on weekends and help me with my reading and stuff. | ||
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Really? | |
| For past, yeah. | ||
| His name was Mr. Akana. | ||
| It was math and reading and all that stuff. | ||
| He'd help me with anything I needed, to be honest. | ||
| Well, shout out to him. | ||
| Yeah, he was the man. | ||
| Sometimes a good teacher like that changes your life. | ||
| I had fucking great teachers. | ||
| I had him. | ||
| I had my freaking... | ||
| My 9th grade teacher, Mr. Corey, he's still a family friend and stuff of us. | ||
| But they used to just shake me up. | ||
| And then I had a Des Moines teacher, Mr. Gray. | ||
| He helped me. | ||
| I sucked at math. | ||
| I sucked in school. | ||
| I graduated cum laude. | ||
| That's like 3.4 or something uni or 3.5 to all year or 3.2 I think from 9th grade to senior. | ||
| I graduated cum laude and the only reason is because of these teachers. | ||
| Mr. Gray in 9th grade, we had two recesses. | ||
| We had a 15-minute recess and then we had a 30-minute lunch or something like that. | ||
| And he would let me come in his class and he'd help me with my work all the time. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because he just knew I would fucking... | ||
| My thing was like, I was playing baseball at the time. | ||
| I was like, my thing was like, I just finish all my work, finish my homework of what I can now. | ||
| So I can go out to the baseball field and just think about baseball shit. | ||
| I just get good in baseball shit, you know? | ||
| And then when I go home and stuff, I just eat dinner, I go sleep. | ||
| Instead of fucking... | ||
| Everybody's like, I'm doing stuff. | ||
| It's like, oh, I have this project due tomorrow. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| I was like, did you start? | ||
| No. | ||
| I was like, what the hell? | ||
| Practice started at 4. We ended at like 6 or 7. And then you gotta go sleep by like 9 o'clock or 10, you know what I mean? | ||
| For actually good sleep to wake up the next day, you know? | ||
| But these guys staying up late and stuff. | ||
| I was like, bro, I got that covered already. | ||
| I'm good, you know? | ||
| Time. | ||
| And I was just trying to just... | ||
| And it's kind of irritating. | ||
| It can help with my personal life sometimes. | ||
| I'm about saving time and stuff. | ||
| So I'm like... | ||
| Okay, babe. | ||
| I'm like, okay, I'll drop you off here. | ||
| Can you run in there when I'm going to drive a little bit down the road and grab this stuff? | ||
| And then she's like, no, no. | ||
| She's like, this is too crazy. | ||
| This fucking time shit is crazy right now. | ||
| Let's all just go as a family and do it. | ||
| I'm like, why? | ||
| This is faster. | ||
| We can get here faster. | ||
| It can be great, but it also can be a fucking pain in the ass at times, you know? | ||
| Yeah, but look what it's done for you, though. | ||
| Whatever pain the ass it is, look what it's done for you. | ||
| It's undeniable. | ||
| That respect for time is... | ||
| Probably out of all the positive shit that you've said today, that's one of the most important lessons. | ||
| The respect for time. | ||
| Hard work, but respect for... | ||
| And part of respect for time is work hard during that time. | ||
| And so you do, you know, like, I mean, who would, like, who would want to fucking be like, okay, I'm gonna take a private with you, and you see this guy just being a jackass, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, fuck, it's like, bro, like, what are you doing, you know what I mean? | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah, it's just time is super important, man. | ||
| I'm super big on this. | ||
| You just kind of give nobody back time. | ||
| That's crazy, right? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But you can take the shitload of time up. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| You can waste it. | ||
| You can waste it, but you can never ever. | ||
| Never ever. | ||
| Unless you talk to Elon off mic and his alien ass knows something. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Well, listen, brother, it's always a pleasure to sit down and talk to you. | ||
| I really appreciate you coming down here, man. | ||
| And again, your last fight inspired the shit out of me, man. | ||
| It really did. | ||
| I carried that fight around me for a few days. | ||
| I really did. | ||
| Just thinking about... | ||
| I love when people just achieve a new level. | ||
| I love watching something like that. | ||
| It's one of the things about the sport... | ||
| What's so fascinating is watching people develop and grow and figure things out and just seeing the fruits of their labor and the fruits of their hard work. | ||
| And your last fight in particular, man, was spectacular. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| It means a lot coming from someone like you, my man. | ||
| So thank you for inviting me. | ||
| Anytime, my man. | ||
| We had some hiccups. | ||
| Well, we had a little froze. | ||
| But we're here, so thank you so much. | ||
| My pleasure, brother. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you, brother. |
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