March 16, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Three, two, one, boom. | ||
| You tell a lot about a man, whether or not he's one of those dudes that has one of them wallet phone cases. | ||
| Rashad Evans, you're a wallet phone case guy. | ||
| You pack it all into one package. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I wasn't always a wallet phone case guy. | ||
| It's kind of something that just, you know, I kind of evolved into. | ||
| I was the one that was carrying around the... | ||
| Man purse? | ||
| The man purse for a while, and after a while I kind of transitioned to just the wallet case. | ||
| That's a lot of work, though. | ||
| Look how thick that sucker is. | ||
| It's like a Costanza now. | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That thing's giant. | ||
| Every single time I clean it out, I tell myself I'm not going to put any more cards in there except for the ones I need, but it just attracts the cards. | ||
| Yeah, that's a problem. | ||
| I have one of those Ridge wallets. | ||
| You know what those are? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are the shit because you can't really get much in there. | ||
| I get like a credit card or two and my license. | ||
| See, that's what I need. | ||
| I need to have that discipline where there's nothing else to carry but what I have to carry. | ||
| And it's got a little money clip on it, so I'll shove a couple bills in there and that's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I go out like that. | ||
| That's what I need. | ||
| That's what you need. | ||
| Front pocket. | ||
| All this nonsense. | ||
| That's so thick. | ||
| It's thick. | ||
| You might as well go back to the man purse. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Might as well get a backpack or a fanny pack. | ||
| I'll send you one of these. | ||
| I just sent two to Stipe Miocic. | ||
| Those look alright, though. | ||
| That's pretty dope, right? | ||
| Yeah, it is pretty dope. | ||
| That's my own company. | ||
| Well, we don't make them. | ||
| We buy them from Roots. | ||
| We put our stamp on it. | ||
| Yeah, leather, right? | ||
| You might want to get one for you. | ||
| Yeah, I do want one. | ||
| You're a bold man. | ||
| You can wear a fanny pack. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I was rocking the man purse before anybody else was wearing it. | ||
| I mean, out in America. | ||
| Out in Europe, they were doing it a long time ago. | ||
| But in America, I was like one of the... | ||
| I was a trailblazer, I like to say. | ||
| At least among my friends. | ||
| It is a weird thing, right? | ||
| Like, guys are not supposed to wear bags. | ||
| But women have, like, fucking all these different brands of bags they carry around. | ||
| Fendi and Gucci and this and that. | ||
| And it makes you look like you're special. | ||
| Because you got some fancy bag. | ||
| And carrying a bag actually helped me be more prepared than ever because, I mean, I would always be, one of them dudes can't carry enough stuff, and I'll always become things, wishing I had things that I didn't have, and I'm like, you know what? | ||
| The bag worked. | ||
| But why is it that we're afraid to carry a bag? | ||
| Like, a guy can carry a backpack. | ||
| Backpack's fine. | ||
| I guess you got shit to do. | ||
| You got a backpack. | ||
| You're fucking serious. | ||
| It's got two straps, but one strap. | ||
| Man, what's wrong with you? | ||
| I think it's because you have to do the feminine hold at times with the one strap. | ||
| But dudes do it over the shoulder, so you don't have to do that. | ||
| Then it's a satchel. | ||
| Then it's manly. | ||
| Very strange how a bag became manly or not manly based on the amount of straps. | ||
| Yeah, and then for women, it's like a status symbol. | ||
| Like, what kind of bag they're carrying around. | ||
| Nobody gives a fuck what kind of backpack you have. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Right. | |
| If a dude has a nice backpack, no one's like, bro, where'd you get that backpack? | ||
| Where'd you get that backpack? | ||
| But I mean, you got a nice... | ||
| Fanny pack? | ||
| Fanny pack. | ||
| Sort of, not really. | ||
| It doesn't get the respect it deserves. | ||
| But it sticks out. | ||
| The people are like, okay, he's got enough balls to carry a fanny pack. | ||
| Yes, there's a little bit of that. | ||
| A little bit of that. | ||
| You know, a little bit of... | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I've seen a fanny pack carried where it's across the shoulder. | ||
| That looks kind of cool. | ||
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Weak people. | |
| Weak people. | ||
| Scared. | ||
| You don't think it's got a... | ||
| No, they're scared to rock a real fanny pack. | ||
| Like, with the waist. | ||
| Yeah, they're cowards. | ||
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Cowards. | |
| They're cowards. | ||
| They're fashion cowards. | ||
| They don't want anybody calling them out and wearing a fanny pack. | ||
| So, no, no, no, it's a shoulder bag. | ||
| It's not a shoulder bag, bitch. | ||
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You have to wear it right in front. | |
| It's a fat man's fanny pack. | ||
| You're wearing it over your shoulders. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| They're wearing it in a way you're not supposed to wear it. | ||
| It's like if you wore a backpack around your waist, people would be like, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| It's not a backpack. | ||
| It's wrapped around your waist. | ||
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unidentified
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What are you doing? | |
| You think that carrying it here, you have everything you want, like right here. | ||
| What about right here, man? | ||
| You don't even have to lift your hands up. | ||
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You go like that. | |
| They're right in there. | ||
| I guess I'm just trying to say how I think I would wear that one, but you're kind of convincing me, Joe, that maybe the front carry might be the... | ||
| It's the way to go. | ||
| The only issue is girls won't fuck you. | ||
| Some girls, like, you wear a fanny pack. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| See, I'm married anyway, so I'm good now. | ||
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unidentified
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Beautiful. | |
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah, I'm good with that. | ||
| Every married man, like myself, every married man should have a fucking fanny pack. | ||
| It's a deterrent. | ||
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Pussy deterrent. | |
| Yeah, it's a little bit of that, but it's also, fuck you. | ||
| That's what it says. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| I can carry my own shit. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Keep my shit right there. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Keep it together. | ||
| Keep it together. | ||
| And then you also have this crazy green drink that you were telling me about. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So this right here is spirulina. | ||
| Ever since I changed my diet up, I need to have a couple of these every single day. | ||
| And it... | ||
| Makes me feel good. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, I don't eat meat anymore, so I know you're a big meat eater. | ||
| Yeah, do you eat fish or any of that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| All vegan? | ||
| All vegan. | ||
| When did you become vegan? | ||
| Probably about, man, I want to say probably about almost two years now. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, almost two years now. | ||
| Like it? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's changed my life, man. | ||
| It's been one of the things I can honestly say that's just revolutionized my complete everything. | ||
| It's been everything lately that has changed me from a mental standpoint, physical standpoint, and even a spiritual standpoint. | ||
| I definitely think it changes the mind because this all-meat diet that I've been on, that changes your mind the other way. | ||
| It makes you more aggressive. | ||
| Yeah, too much so. | ||
| Yeah, I have to work out extra to keep the demons at bay. | ||
| It's the blood. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's that. | ||
| It's also like, if you think about it, if your body thinks, okay, I have to eat animals all the time because all this motherfucker eats is animals, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| If your body thinks that, your body's going to... | ||
| Sort of take on the characteristics of something that's a predator, right? | ||
| You would become more... | ||
| I mean, this is obviously like some bullshit bro psychology because I'm a moron. | ||
| But I would say your body is going to think, I'm more aggressive. | ||
| I have to chase shit down and kill it. | ||
| You have to be more predatory. | ||
| Your body has to think that way. | ||
| I can get with that. | ||
| It makes sense, though. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| Did you do it right after you retired? | ||
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No. | |
| Um, you know, I kind of, not right after I retired. | ||
| It was kind of something that, um, that kind of just happened. | ||
| Like I, uh, ever since I, um, like, cause I do mushrooms, right? | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| So it was, it was, it was when I did a, uh, like when I had a really, really deep trip that just caused me to, to, uh, Have one of those ego deaths. | ||
| And when I had the ego death, I was like in a state where this knowingness was coming to me. | ||
| And it was like, you know, I was like, it was all day. | ||
| I did a mushroom ceremony. | ||
| And it was all day. | ||
| And I was just out in the sun and just, you know, in my own mind. | ||
| And then I was smelling real bad. | ||
| And then I smell myself. | ||
| You know, ever you catch a smell yourself? | ||
| And I was like, Oh, my God, I stink. | ||
| And then the knowingness said, like, you stink because you eat dead, rotting flesh. | ||
| And it said, if you want to eat, if you want life, then you eat life. | ||
| That's what this knowingness said to me. | ||
| And then I was like, that's a strange thought to just come into my mind like that. | ||
| And then after that, no kidding, like I just lost my taste for meat. | ||
| And I used to eat all kinds of meat. | ||
| I would eat pork, and I was big into pork and big into all kinds of meat, and I was never one of those diet guys at all. | ||
| But after that happened to me, after I had that experience, it was just one of those things that I just couldn't help but go into. | ||
| I just lost the taste for meat. | ||
| One trip... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, well, it kind of started when I, like, about eight months before that, I did The Toad. | ||
| And then The Toad was one that really was the catalyst for everything. | ||
| There's a lot of people listening going, what the fuck is he saying? | ||
| You did The Toad? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, so 5-MEO-DMT, which is The Toad. | ||
| And The Toad was one that was, I guess, the catalyst of busting that gate open. | ||
| That's a crazy psychedelic. | ||
| that's a very underrated psychedelic oh my god it that that will yeah that's the the first really but i had done mushrooms before but i did a fairly small dose i mean fairly small in that i could walk around i was pretty whacked out but i could walk around a couple grams but the 5 meo dmt was the first one where i just ceased to exist | ||
| i just stopped and it made me really aware of ego really aware of like even the way i express myself the way i would frame sentences and say things I was just, I was trying to sound cool, or I was trying to portray something in a way, like, not just trying to portray the information, but trying to impress people, and it made me, like, feel real gross. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's the thing. | ||
| Like, when I had my 5-MEO experience, it was, man, I just never, I never thought that consciousness could be so vast and so big. | ||
| When you have that experience with the 5-MeO, it made this consciousness look as if it was a drop in a bucket. | ||
| Just like a little drop and I got to experience the ocean of consciousness. | ||
| And that right there was the most humbling experience I ever had. | ||
| Just to feel my ego, who I thought I was, what I thought I was, completely just annihilated. | ||
| And to feel what I actually was. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like regular consciousness that most of us exist in most of the time is a veneer. | ||
| It's a very thin veneer. | ||
| And through some things, you get a taste of what's under the surface through meditation and yoga and all these different methods that people use, holotropic breathing. | ||
| You get a taste of what's underneath the surface. | ||
| Kundalini yoga, apparently. | ||
| Kundalini yoga, apparently. | ||
| I've never really done it, but some people say you could really trip out if you do it in a certain way for long periods of time. | ||
| People have very intense psychedelic experiences akin to DMT. Yeah. | ||
| I had like a Kundalini kind of experience, like an awakening where it was like a... | ||
| I just had... | ||
| I felt like the top of my head just completely was gone. | ||
| And it was like I was just open to all the information... | ||
| It was like I had no head. | ||
| Information was just pouring into... | ||
| Like no roof? | ||
| No roof. | ||
| Was this from kundalini? | ||
| No, it was from mushrooms. | ||
| But I felt that kundalini experience where you see the light. | ||
| It was like this really intense light. | ||
| That happens in my head, and it was just, boom, you see the universe, you know? | ||
| Well, you know, that thing about the center of your head, there's a lot of speculation on what the Egyptians were trying to draw when they were drawing certain images, but there's certain temples that seem to mimic certain shapes in these temples that seem to mimic the pineal gland. | ||
| Like even the eye, there's that famous Egyptian eye that has that sort of dip down in that weird sort of Egyptian shape. | ||
| There's been a bunch of different scholars that have tried to figure out what exactly that meant. | ||
| And one of the theories is that that's a cross-section of the pineal gland. | ||
| And they think that what they were emphasizing was that that is the area where the brain produces all the psychedelic chemicals. | ||
| They speculated this for a long time, but Dr. Rick Strassman, he's the guy that wrote that book, DMT the Spirit Molecule, and there was actually a documentary on it that I hosted. | ||
| He's done a bunch of work with this Cottonwood Research Foundation where they've shown now that it exists in live rats. | ||
| And that it is actually produced by that gland, that DMT is actually produced in these animals by this one particular gland that they associated with spiritual awakening with the third eye. | ||
| So it actually is a real thing, that feeling that you get. | ||
| And the thing about mushrooms that's really interesting is mushrooms actually mimic natural human neurochemistry. | ||
| There's 5-MeO-DMT, there's N-N-DMT, and then what mushrooms, what's processed, the way your body processes, it becomes something called 4-Fox-4-Aloxy-N-N-dimethyltryptamine. | ||
| So it's all real close. | ||
| I might have butchered that technical description. | ||
| But it's real close to human neurochemistry, so your body absorbs it very easily. | ||
| Your body takes it in. | ||
| Your body knows what it is. | ||
| Your body knows what to do with it. | ||
| See, I like mushrooms because of mushrooms. | ||
| So the 5-MeO is so powerful that you can't really get a handle on what happened. | ||
| I came back from being away for like 17 minutes and I'm just like, whoa, that was intense. | ||
| I felt as if I was everything all at the same time and it was so many different things that was just happening. | ||
| But you really can't unpack it because it's incomprehensible to an extent. | ||
| For the larger extent because you're dealing with concepts that the human mind can't even grasp because there's no vocabulary to speak about. | ||
| When I did the mushrooms, the mushrooms were kind of like the rivers and the lakes that leads to the ocean. | ||
| And it helps me understand how I am part of something so big and something so grand. | ||
| So when I have my mushroom experiences, They were all different in some respect. | ||
| Whenever I do go deep, because I like to go deep, I don't play around. | ||
| Microdosing. | ||
| I do microdosing sometimes, but I like to get in there with 5 grams, 10. That's how you know what's up. | ||
| Yeah, those big ones. | ||
| The big doses where you get kind of scared. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Once you ate it, and then you know you got like 40 minutes before it kicks in, you're like, oh boy, there's no turning back now. | ||
| There's no turning back now. | ||
| But that's the thing about it, when you face that fear of just going deep. | ||
| And it's helped me out so much because... | ||
| Towards the end of my career, I didn't finish the way I wanted to. | ||
| I felt like after I came back from my injuries, I just wasn't the same for a fighter anymore. | ||
| Were you not the same physically or was it mentally? | ||
| It was physical, but it also became mental because physically I just didn't feel the same. | ||
| I didn't feel like I ever regained the power back in my legs. | ||
| For the most part, my legs were everything. | ||
| What were the injuries? | ||
| I had two ACL surgeries on my right knee, and that completely just, it changed everything for me because, you know, being a smaller light heavyweight, all of my power was all in my legs, you know, and whatever I couldn't make up for in the size department up top, I was usually able to make up for with the power of my legs, you know. | ||
| Is that related to the injury that you got when you were at Jackson's and Diego Sanchez crashed into you? | ||
| No, so that was a different injury. | ||
| So that was MCL, but it was on my left knee, so the right knee was the one who got... | ||
| That always drove me crazy, because I'm like, why the fuck is a guy training for a world title fight in a regular class where everybody knows people collide into people in regular classes all the time with millions of dollars on the line? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I see that all the time, though, in top gyms. | ||
| See, that's where the training has gone. | ||
| Before, we would train like maniacs. | ||
| We would train crazy as hell and put ourselves in some crazy situations. | ||
| And you try to put yourself in a situation because you're like, you know, I did it before and I've done it so many times and nothing has happened. | ||
| But when you start to move up and there's more on the line, then you always have to take every single precaution because you can't afford to take a step back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For me, once I had my knee injuries, though, I just mentally was not the same person. | ||
| When I competed, I wasn't the same person. | ||
| Then it affected me because then I'm like, I'm not the same person. | ||
| Did you lose the ability to explode with your knees? | ||
| Did you have meniscus damage as well? | ||
| I had meniscus damage. | ||
| I lost the ability to explode. | ||
| I lost... | ||
| It would get tired. | ||
| My leg would get tired, you know, and it didn't have the same bounce, the same rhythm, and it kind of felt heavy, and I couldn't really feel it in the front, you know, the front part of my knee. | ||
| I couldn't really feel it. | ||
| I had a little... | ||
| Did you have a patella tendon graft? | ||
| I had a patella tendon. | ||
| So they cut the front open and then they take the piece of the bone, they take a slice of the patella tendon and a piece of the bone on the bottom and they replace your ACL with that? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yeah, I did that too. | ||
| It takes a long time to get that feeling back. | ||
| It took me more than a year before it felt right. | ||
| And then even then, if I was on my knees, it would hurt like hell. | ||
| See, and that's the thing. | ||
| Like, I still, to this day, like, I still have dead spots where I can't feel on my knee. | ||
| Well, it's numb in the front. | ||
| Yeah, it's numb. | ||
| And I think I had to do it a lot because I had two of the knee surgeries back to back. | ||
| Like, when I was only healing up for my first one, then it ruptured again. | ||
| So then I had to go back in and get it done. | ||
| You know, the first time it was with the cadaver. | ||
| And then the cadaver tissue didn't take. | ||
| But I didn't know that until, like, almost a year later. | ||
| And then it slipped out just training normally. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| ACLs are brutal. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| It's the worst, man. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| And I admire guys who can come back and look phenomenal and do it still because when you mess up your knee, for me, it just kind of mentally messed me up a bit. | ||
| How much physical rehab did you have to do for that? | ||
| Man, I did a lot. | ||
| I did years worth of it. | ||
| The first time, I didn't do it as well as I could have because I'm like, I bounced back pretty easy. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| I felt like I was bouncing back pretty easy. | ||
| But when it went the second time, then it was harder because not only was I healing from the ACL, but then my knee was healing in general just from the previous surgery and then plus this surgery. | ||
| And then I had... | ||
| Something different because in a first surgery, it wasn't too invasive because I wasn't using my own tissue. | ||
| That cadaver one is nice. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| It's easy if it works, if your body takes it. | ||
| How long did it take before it blew out again? | ||
| Man, I was almost a year. | ||
| I was training for another fight thinking I could get back in shape and fight again. | ||
| And then when I was training for that fight, it blew out again. | ||
| I was scheduled to fight Gustinson and then AJ ended up taking that fight instead. | ||
| But it was one that just... | ||
| First of all, when I was out for two years healing from injury, I got to see what it was like when all the cameras stopped flashing, when people stopped caring to get your pictures. | ||
| That whole feeling that happens when you hit that transitional point and stop becoming that guy. | ||
| And it was a difficult transition at first because, you know, even though I always told myself I would never, you know, put myself in the mindset of being just that fighter, sooner or later you become just that fighter and that's what happened to me. | ||
| So when I had to... | ||
| Meaning that you weren't the best? | ||
| Well, not just the basketball. | ||
| You were an elite, world-class. | ||
| I wasn't an elite, world-class fighter like I used to be. | ||
| I wasn't on that level anymore. | ||
| That was something for me that was just like, God damn. | ||
| Your use of your legs was so pivotal. | ||
| It was so huge for you in that Rampage fight. | ||
| I remember that opening sequence when you just darted after him and blasted him with the right hand. | ||
| It was so fast. | ||
| He didn't even know what the fuck was happening. | ||
| As soon as the bell rang, you were on him and you cracked him quick. | ||
| I was like, that is some serious explosion. | ||
| And that was even in that fight, I could even wrestle like the last four weeks of that fight because I pulled my hamstring in that fight. | ||
| So I was just really just drilling up until that fight for the last four weeks. | ||
| So when I came out like that, I was like, I was a little insecure. | ||
| And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to see what happened if I go. | ||
| And it worked. | ||
| I was like, okay, I still got some spring. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It worked perfect. | ||
| When I was into my career and trying to figure out what's next for me, it was hard. | ||
| It was just a hard place because I didn't really have anybody to talk to. | ||
| I didn't really know what I was going to do next in my life. | ||
| Then when I started fighting again, I still was in that place where I just wasn't totally back to fighting, my mentality. | ||
| Because fighting is something mentally that it takes a certain mentality for. | ||
| And for me, fighting was something that I did to exercise some demons a bit. | ||
| You know, but but having some time away from the sport, it allowed me to figure out other ways to exercise. | ||
| So demons and, you know, figure out some things around them, you know, the things that made me mad, the things that were my fuel before I kind of made peace with them. | ||
| And then making peace with a lot of the things that I was using for my fuel, it just changed the way I fought and the way I seen fighting. | ||
| So coming back to fight, I just wasn't that same fighter anymore. | ||
| And then when I got to the point where I was like, man, I can't keep myself... | ||
| I was like, man, I'm not fighting the way I want to fight. | ||
| And, you know, there's... | ||
| I mean, what's the point? | ||
| If I can't go and compete the way I want to, I'm only torturing myself. | ||
| So then I decided to retire. | ||
| But then when I retired, I still was in a space where... | ||
| I was like, man, there's still something missing. | ||
| So then when I did the 5-MeO-DMT, that kind of put things in perspective in a whole different way, you know? | ||
| And it just, it changed me. | ||
| It changed me a lot. | ||
| It changed the way that, you know, like I said, the way I think, the way I eat, everything about it, you know? | ||
| So it was so cathartic in so many senses of the word, you know? | ||
| Do you think that something like that would be really beneficial for fighters that are in the twilight of their career? | ||
| I think it could be. | ||
| I think every fighter gets to a point where you fight enough, then fighting, you kind of get in a weird space about it. | ||
| And, you know, I've seen fighters go through that period where they just kind of like figuring out that, why am I still doing this? | ||
| You know, they've had great moments inside the cage, but then they have those down moments. | ||
| And those down moments are the moments where it's harder to come back from. | ||
| And I think those are the times where you, you know, a psychedelic or something like that could put things in perspective and allow the fighter to see the why behind the reason they're doing it. | ||
| And maybe create a new why. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're so different. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| I've noticed that about you over the last few years. | ||
| I don't get to see you that often. | ||
| And when I get to see you, over the last few years, I'm like, wow, something has changed in Rashad. | ||
| I hate to use the word spiritual, but you seem like a more spiritual, more peaceful guy. | ||
| I noticed that. | ||
| So that's why I was really interested to have this conversation and see what your journey was. | ||
| Yeah, it's been one hell of a journey, man. | ||
| I teamed up with some people in Denver. | ||
| One of my good friends, Dale Jolly out in Denver, he's the one who told me about the medicine, the toad medicine. | ||
| And after that, we just kind of continue to always link up and we do a bunch of ceremonies together. | ||
| We do ayahuasca. | ||
| And just make sure we always have that connection. | ||
| But it was through working with him, you know, I became, you know, part of this group, Unlimited Sciences. | ||
| And Unlimited Sciences, what we're doing is, you know, we've been able to, we want to make psilocybin usage because Del Jolly was one of the guys who got, who's on the committee who got it approved for Denver. | ||
| He was one of the guys who made that possible. | ||
| Do you know how it works? | ||
| So are you allowed to possess a certain amount of psilocybin in Denver? | ||
| Is that how it works? | ||
| I'm not really too sure exactly how it all works with that, but I think that they're still working out the details about how it's going to be, which you can possess on the legal side. | ||
| But with Unlimited Sciences, we've been able to We want to take the psilocybin experience where it's one that people can go through for healing and help and get consistent information, consistent data on the full spectrum on how you can use it and the ways it's used. | ||
| So we've teamed up, and this has never been done before, we teamed up with John Hopkins University, and we're going to be part of their study, and we're going to do like the first real-world study where we go out and, you know, take information from people, you know, people from 18 and up who can speak English can sign up for our study. | ||
| And, you know, what you do is you go and you fill out a questionnaire and everything is It's HIPAA protected, so no one has to worry about getting in trouble for their usage of psilocybin. | ||
| But John Hopkins has taken all this information and we're collecting it for him. | ||
| And what we want to do is we want to be able to give this back to them so that they can see on which way they want to direct their clinical research. | ||
| And what that can do is, you know, with the unlimited sciences, it comes from this group called Realm of Caring. | ||
| And Realm of Caring is out in Denver, and Realm of Caring was for medical refugees during the whole, when there was a Medical refugees for cannabis who couldn't use it in their state came to Denver where they were able to use it, | ||
| but when they first came there, there wasn't any information on how much to use because Heather Jackson and this other girl who started it named Paige They started the realm of caring and it was just them. | ||
| They were treating their child and their children. | ||
| They had seizures and epilepsy and stuff like that. | ||
| So they tried everything in a medical field to help them, but they could not help them with that. | ||
| So then they went to cannabis and there was only two of them doing it. | ||
| So they didn't really have much information to go back from. | ||
| So then they would share information amongst each other and then they would ask other people. | ||
| And then through networking, they created this huge community of people With data and they started to come with more and more data and then they started working with John Hopkins University and made a protocol and everything else. | ||
| Now the realm of caring helped thousands of families all over the world just with the information and data they didn't have been able to collect. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| John Hopkins has been involved in psilocybin research for a while, right? | ||
| They had something that they did on near-death patients, people that are close to death, and alleviating the fear of passing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's one thing. | ||
| They're very interested in diving into the mind aspect and everything. | ||
| And I think that the real-world study would be good because what it does is it allows them to put their money and their resources into where people are actually using it and the things that are interesting to the people. | ||
| So, I mean, it's one thing to have it in a clinical setting, but it's another thing to do it on your own and be able to get the results from it. | ||
| Hopefully to study with John Hopkins University, it definitely changes games and puts things on a level where people can get the healing they need from the mushrooms. | ||
| Have you read any McKenna stuff? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| I follow McKenna a bit. | ||
| I listen to him quite a bit. | ||
| Yeah, fascinating guy. | ||
| Weird voice, right? | ||
| Weird voice, but hypnotic almost. | ||
| Yeah, you can't. | ||
| I mean, I listen to hours of McKinnon, just his understanding and breakdown of mushrooms. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I'm friends with his brother, and his brother is another genius, really fascinating character. | ||
| He's also an outspoken psychedelic proponent, and he lives up in British Columbia now. | ||
| And he's a big proponent of one of – Terrence had a theory that Dennis subscribes to called the stoned ape theory. | ||
| Do you know this theory? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And this is a really controversial theory but fascinating that they believe that – at least Terrence had this idea that one of the catalysts for human evolution that changed us from – Lower primates to human beings was the consumption of psilocybin and that animals, | ||
| you know, these pre-human primates would flip over cow patties and experiment by eating grubs and bugs and things they'd find out there and they would also eat the mushrooms that would grow on the cow patties. | ||
| And the doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years is gigantic mystery. | ||
| Like, they have no idea what happened. | ||
| I mean, it's apparently, according to biologists, it's the biggest mystery in the fossil record that the human brain doubled. | ||
| And not just that any organ would double in size over a period of two million years, but that the organ responsible for the theory of evolution in the first place doubled over two million years. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it coincides with climate change and coincides with these rainforests, and this is all Terence's work, I'm repeating. | ||
| It coincides with these rainforests receding into grasslands and then these undulates, these cow-like animals that would live on these grasslands and eat the cow and take shits. | ||
| And then the manure would grow, or the psilocybin, rather, would grow in the manure, and they would follow these cows around and then eat their mushrooms that would grow in their manure. | ||
| And it also coincides with the earliest civilizations would all worship cattle, like Choctal Hiuk, which is one of the earliest known civilizations. | ||
| They had these—it was a real cattle-worshipping thing. | ||
| I don't want to say a cult, but the way their culture would operate. | ||
| They worship cattle. | ||
| And some would say, well, that's because they ate them and they used their milk. | ||
| I'm sure, I'm sure that had something to do with it. | ||
| But, like, the Hindus don't even eat them. | ||
| They just worship them. | ||
| Imagine that? | ||
| You've got a billion people living in a place, everyone's starving, and they're not eating the cows. | ||
| They're not eating the most delicious animal on the planet. | ||
| Well, it's because they grew mushrooms! | ||
| And the ancient Hindu scripts, like Soma, is one of the main sacraments that they would talk about. | ||
| No one really understood. | ||
| To this day, they're not exactly sure what Soma is, but it's some sort of a psychedelic sacrament, and it probably was a combination of many things, but a big one was most likely psilocybin, was a part of that. | ||
| And that sort of corresponded with their relationship with cows. | ||
| They had this This worship of cattle. | ||
| They wouldn't eat them. | ||
| And the reason is because God came out of their butt. | ||
| In their eyes, you know, they would make the manure. | ||
| The mushrooms would grow in the manure. | ||
| And there's all sorts of mushroom iconography in all of their ancient religious artwork. | ||
| I mean, I think mushrooms... | ||
| I know mushrooms have played a big part in our society, in our civilization, in our ancient civilization. | ||
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For sure. | |
| And I don't think it's been properly covered the way that it could be, but it's amazing because the minute you eat a mushroom... | ||
| At the right dosage, you feel it. | ||
| You feel the fact that it's like, oh, this is something ancient because there's something that happens when you go to that place where you lose the self. | ||
| When you lose the self, then there's something that happens that's That's just magical. | ||
| There really is no way to explain it or dress it up with words. | ||
| It's just something magical that happens once you reach that level. | ||
| Yeah, whenever I have these conversations with people, there's two types of people. | ||
| There's people like you that have had the experiences that go, mm-hmm. | ||
| And then there's people that have no experience at all that look at you like... | ||
| Yeah, it's mushrooms. | ||
| But I feel bad for those people. | ||
| I do too. | ||
| Because I know how I used to think, and I would have dismissed it the same way. | ||
| I would have said, this is the foolish notions of frivolous spiritual people that are just being ridiculous, and they think, oh. | ||
| Oh, it's all about the mushrooms, man. | ||
| But it is. | ||
| If you do it, you'll realize, like, oh, well, if you do any real potent breakthrough psychedelic, any real breakthrough psychedelic experience is going to make you humble. | ||
| It's going to make you realize, like, oh, there's more to this than everyday consciousness. | ||
| There's more to this experience, this existence. | ||
| There's something way bigger. | ||
| And you only can tap into it through a variety of different methods, whether it's name your psychedelic or name your trance-like state that people can go into. | ||
| There's a lot of different ways to tap into it, but once you do, you realize this is not... | ||
| This little thin thing that we're touching right now, this is not everything. | ||
| Right, and that's the thing about it. | ||
| It really just cuts through the whole materialism of everything. | ||
| It really shows that materialism is just a product of consciousness. | ||
| And sometimes we tend to think that our consciousness is a product of the materialism, but at the end of the day, consciousness is everything. | ||
| When I did my Toad experience, I almost felt as if like... | ||
| I'm not really here. | ||
| And I'm really somewhere else, just projecting my consciousness to here. | ||
| And it seemed as if, like, when I smoked the toad, the venom severed that connection. | ||
| And the connection wasn't able to come here on Earth. | ||
| And I was just really where I really am. | ||
| That's what it felt like. | ||
| And then when I came back to my body, I remember feeling like I didn't want to come back. | ||
| And actually, it was saying, like, please don't go, please don't go. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I felt like I was... | ||
| I dissolved and I became a part of everything. | ||
| I always tend to think of life as my own view of experience. | ||
| It's right here. | ||
| My life is right here. | ||
| Right now it's in this room. | ||
| Later on it'll be at the comedy store. | ||
| There's places I go. | ||
| My life is where those places are. | ||
| But when I had my first 5MAO DMT experience, it felt like, no, no, no. | ||
| It's all together. | ||
| You're in the middle of this infinite soup of life. | ||
| And there's no one spot. | ||
| That spot is your imagination. | ||
| It's like the limitations of your biology that we have... | ||
| Kept from the time that we were small little mammals to the time that we were lower primates to the time that we're human beings. | ||
| The limit, the biological instincts to survive and to preserve our DNA and to carry that DNA on, all of those instincts are the reason why we're here but also so limiting because they keep your consciousness bottled up in the location that you're at. | ||
| It keeps your feeling of life Contained to wherever you're at at that moment and staying safe and then keeping people paying attention to you and making sure you got the coolest shit and all the things that seem so silly when you trip. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| When I fall away and the feeling of falling away and not being who I think I am, It's almost the most freeing feeling, but at the same time, it's one of the scariest. | ||
| It's one of the scariest at the same time, but it's necessary, and it's necessary in order to reach a certain point of understanding. | ||
| When you reach a certain point of understanding of going inside, then you don't need a guru. | ||
| You don't need anyone to drop insight or knowledge, because all the knowledge and insight... | ||
| It's there if you go deep enough and you know how to go deep enough, you know, and you understand the fact that, you know, there's this knowingness. | ||
| And it's hard to explain. | ||
| Like, it sounds crazy to say, but there's just this knowingness out there and you can tap into it. | ||
| Yeah, there's something out there for sure. | ||
| What's interesting to me is some people have a way better grasp of the English language and they're way better at describing things. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| They're way better at putting trips into perspective. | ||
| Because everyone sucks at it. | ||
| Even the best people suck at it. | ||
| I'm terrible at it. | ||
| I've described it the same way you described it. | ||
| There's not really words for it. | ||
| You do your best, but it's so poor. | ||
| Just the ability that words have to convey the experience, there's no words that are correct. | ||
| They don't even get in the neighborhood. | ||
| They wrap around it. | ||
| They try. | ||
| And even in a state, I remember being in a state where I was on one of my deepest trips and I'm in the trip and my friend looks over at me and then I wave him over because I want to tell him the secret that I found about consciousness and about existence. | ||
| But I couldn't tell him because the knowingness is telling me if I tell him, then I'm not going to be able to come back and live. | ||
| I had to go. | ||
| I had to leave this earth. | ||
| That's what it was telling me. | ||
| So I remember just sitting there just like, man, I want to be able to tell him and be able to convey to him in words what I'm feeling. | ||
| The only thing that came out of my mouth was, just go sit over there. | ||
| It'll come to you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because that's what happened to me. | ||
| Like, I was in his yard, and I just went and walked. | ||
| And as I was walking, this knowingness told me, like, I was walking barefoot in this grass, and I kept getting my feet poked. | ||
| And the knowingness told me, it was like, you know, it told me the path to walk. | ||
| And it said, the reason why I'm stepping on these, getting pricked is because I'm stepping on live grass, stepping on dead spots where there's no... | ||
| And it just came to me just that clear and I just started doing it and I wasn't getting pricked by any grass no more. | ||
| Then it told me to sit down and then I sat down and then I just had like the most profound just realizations just hit me like it was like it was like it was coming out of the sun. | ||
| It sounds crazy to say. | ||
| I was outside and I went and I was looking at the sun and it was like the sun transitioned to something else. | ||
| It just became very deep and it had layers of, it was very, very trippy. | ||
| But during that experience, I remember looking around and seeing everyone that I was with and laughing to myself saying like, they would not believe this, but I'm actually every single one of them. | ||
| And that was like a thought that I remember. | ||
| Thinking and feeling like I'm feeling myself right now and it bugged me out. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's deep. | ||
| It's so deep. | ||
| Do you still train? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Yeah, I train all the time. | ||
| You train all the time? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you feel different, like even when you're hitting things? | ||
| Yeah, but not in a way like I feel like, oh man, I feel bad. | ||
| I don't feel like that. | ||
| I just feel like ever since I was able to kind of... | ||
| Come back after this whole transition happened. | ||
| I feel like I have a better idea on competing now. | ||
| As far as my mindset for competing is better than it was before just because my ego is not so attached to it as it was. | ||
| I'm able to go out and just Give my best in whatever it is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And completely just be like, oh, it's whatever. | ||
| And it's easy to say now that I'm not competing where it counts for anything. | ||
| But for me, before, even in practice, it felt like something. | ||
| If I lost in practice, then it would stick with me for a couple days. | ||
| I'd be upset about that. | ||
| I can just go in and just train and you know and it doesn't it doesn't stay with me like I would before. | ||
| Do you feel like though that to be an elite fighter maybe you need that burning desire to the point where mistakes burn they hurt and I know as a comedian I mean there's a there's a there's a parallel there like where when if I'm really working hard or really concentrating hard anything I say that Is stupid or comes off wrong or I try something that doesn't work. | ||
| It will fuck with me for days. | ||
| Just all day long. | ||
| Even in conversation. | ||
| I'm having fun with some friends and I say something stupid. | ||
| It'll sit in my head for a day. | ||
| I'll wake up in the middle of the night to piss going, why the fuck did you say that? | ||
| It's the worst! | ||
| No, you do need that as an athlete, but at the same time... | ||
| Particularly as a fighter, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you have to... | ||
| I mean, it's so... | ||
| The difference between a champion, you know more than anybody, between a champion and a good fighter is so close. | ||
| It's so close. | ||
| It's so close. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And sometimes it's that fucking fire, that anger, that fear, that drive inside of you to be elite, to be the best. | ||
| And sometimes that comes with every practice you have to win, everything you have to do, every fucking training session. | ||
| You have to burn it out. | ||
| If you don't, you feel like you're less than you could be. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with that. | ||
| But there's also the other side of that, too, where there's that blissful ignorance. | ||
| And that blissful ignorance is where you just go out and do something and you do it 100% great all the time just because you enjoy it. | ||
| And there's not the pressure of, oh, I have to do it a certain kind of way. | ||
| Like, for instance, when John Jones was first competing. | ||
| John Jones, he competed so freely because it was just in his nature. | ||
| He was just so creative and he fought different because he fought from that place of just creativity, that ignorance, that ignorant bliss. | ||
| He couldn't be beat. | ||
| He didn't believe he could be beat. | ||
| And, you know, he would fight that way and he would do some genius stuff in there just because of that, you know? | ||
| But then when you have those experiences where you've been caught in a fight or you've made some mistakes in there, then you do know better. | ||
| But then those... | ||
| Those thoughts, it actually slows you down a bit, too, because you're not fully reacting. | ||
| You're thinking a hair. | ||
| Before, it was just kind of like a reaction. | ||
| Yeah, I talk about his opening fight, the opening sequence of his fight with Shogun. | ||
| I mean, he's 23 years old, he's fighting for the world title, and he opens up with a flying knee. | ||
| Who the fuck does that? | ||
| That was that dumb and young. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That's the best way to say it. | ||
| But at the same time, that blissful ignorance, that's what made, that was his blueprint for so long. | ||
| And he's turned it into a whole fighting style, just that letting it off, hang out, letting it fly. | ||
| And that's what worried me. | ||
| That's why I thought in this fight with Dominic Reyes, it was going to be a closer fight. | ||
| Because of the fact that Dominic Reyes now had that, what John used to have, that blissful ignorance. | ||
| He didn't really know how much, you know, how better John was or didn't even care. | ||
| He was just kind of like, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| He was so confident in himself, almost in an ignorant, blissful way. | ||
| But it worked out for him, you know? | ||
| Well, what's interesting about that fight is, first of all, it's a great argument for five-round championship fights. | ||
| Because for the first three rounds, Dominic Reyes was winning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The question is whether he won the third round. | ||
| That's the one I believe that's up for grabs. | ||
| Most people that I've talked to think John won the last two clearly. | ||
| Most people. | ||
| Most people that I've talked to that are experts, most people, few disagree, believe that Dominic Reyes won the first three. | ||
| And the third round is the one that seems to be, you go, well, Dominic scored more, but it was close enough where you could see someone giving it to John, particularly since John was pressing the action. | ||
| John was pushing forward. | ||
| Maybe you give it to John, but they thought Dominic won it. | ||
| But they said if there's a disputable round, it is that third round. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| But one fucking judge gave John four rounds to one. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| This is the same judge that when... | ||
| I believe Luke Thomas is talking about this. | ||
| I'm sorry if I'm wrong because I'm not saying the judge's name because I'm not sure if I'm correct. | ||
| But I believe it's the same judge that... | ||
| Trevin Giles, who fought James Krause. | ||
| Giles and Krause was an amazing fight. | ||
| Giles wound up winning the decision, but the first round, Krause had his back for four minutes, and the judge gave that round to Giles, which is insane. | ||
| I mean, for four minutes, Krause had his back. | ||
| The guy was fighting off chokes. | ||
| Krause was... | ||
| Real close to submitting him a couple times during those four minutes. | ||
| And the judge, the same judge who gave four rounds to John Jones, gave that first round to Giles, where there was a dude on his back for four fucking minutes! | ||
| Most of the round. | ||
| And maybe even a fucking more egregious fight was Andre Ewell versus Jonathan Martinez. | ||
| That fight was fucking crazy. | ||
| That fight was crazy. | ||
| That was the most crazy one. | ||
| Martinez won that fight. | ||
| Martinez won that fight. | ||
| Ewell broke his arm, I think. | ||
| I'm not sure if it's a broken arm, but he had a significant injury to his right hand early in the fight. | ||
| Somewhere in between either the first or the second round. | ||
| Not sure, but he really couldn't throw a right hand. | ||
| And it was kind of hanging. | ||
| You could kind of see it was hanging. | ||
| And Martinez put in work. | ||
| It was an amazing performance by him. | ||
| And he got fucked over, man. | ||
| Real bad. | ||
| It was bad decision-making. | ||
| There was a bunch of bad fights. | ||
| There was a bunch of bad decisions. | ||
| It wasn't just one. | ||
| There was like four or five on a card of, what, twelve fights? | ||
| Eleven, twelve fights? | ||
| I forget how many it was from the opening prelims. | ||
| There was bad decisions. | ||
| Just almost like people who don't know what they're seeing. | ||
| Yeah, and that's crazy too, especially when we reach the point that we have in mixed martial arts. | ||
| I think that we've turned a corner in that, meaning the fact that there's so much out there, so much knowledge out there in the sport and everything else like that. | ||
| And if you're going to be judging it, you've got to at least know when somebody is winning a round. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You know, there's aspects of John's game that was, you know, scored some points. | ||
| You know, he was always moving forward with the action. | ||
| But, you know, even when he was moving forward with the action, he wasn't terribly too offensive. | ||
| He would come with his legs, but, you know, a lot of times he would allow Dominic to kind of be the first one initiating and then moving off. | ||
| And sometimes it seemed like he was just kind of chasing him. | ||
| But, you know, I think that it was that third round. | ||
| That third round was that hard round to score. | ||
| But, you know, I think that Dom had the edge, but if you're going to be the champ, then you got to be the champ. | ||
| And I don't think he did that. | ||
| Jon Jones impressed me so much with the shots that he was able to take, but more or less the mindset that Jon had. | ||
| That mindset that Jon had in those championship rounds, to me, that showed that this guy is... | ||
| He is a total package, and when it comes to fighting, just mentally speaking, he's somebody who I thought was frustrated, and working through his own frustration in the fight is difficult. | ||
| He didn't succumb to his own frustration, and he just kept that pressure going. | ||
| He took some big shots from a heavy hitter, but Dominic Reyes is a problem for anybody. | ||
| He's a problem. | ||
| He's a real problem, especially now that he's got that rub. | ||
| He touched greatness with John, who's the greatest ever. | ||
| I feel like those last two rounds should count more. | ||
| This is my personal opinion. | ||
| But John Cavanaugh said something on his Twitter page, I believe it was John Cavanaugh, and it reflects exactly how I feel. | ||
| That if this fight was going to go on another five rounds, it's pretty fucking clear to me who's going to win. | ||
| This is to the death, Jon Jones is going to win that fight. | ||
| If it's to the death, there's no doubt about it in my mind that Jon Jones is eventually going to get him. | ||
| Those last two rounds, Dominic Reyes was hurting. | ||
| You could see him taking big, deep breaths and trying to move, and his arms were labored, and Jon just kept pressing, kept pressing, kept kicking him, kept punching him, kept trying for the takedown. | ||
| And that should mean more. | ||
| It should mean more towards the end of the fight. | ||
| At the end of the fight, if you win a decision, but you just got your ass kicked for the last four minutes, that seems crazy to me that you won the fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, I mean, I know this is a dumb way to think about it, but if we were in a schoolyard, right? | ||
| We were in high school, and some dude and another dude fought, the dude who's getting the shit beat out of them at the end of the fight is the guy who lost. | ||
| When the teachers come and they pull you off that guy, that's who won. | ||
| That's who won a fight. | ||
| That's who won. | ||
| And I know that you can't score a professional sport the way you look, but it is the rarest of rare professional sports because it's the sport of fighting. | ||
| And in fighting, when you're getting your ass kicked, You're supposed to lose. | ||
| If you're getting your ass kicked, you lost. | ||
| And if you're kicking the guy's ass, you win. | ||
| Sounds crazy, but at the end of that fight, Jon Jones was kicking Dominic Ray's ass. | ||
| He was chasing him down. | ||
| Dominic was taking some big deep breaths. | ||
| He was firing back. | ||
| He fired back very well in the fourth round. | ||
| But Jon absorbed. | ||
| Jon has a fucking hell of a chin, too. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| Hell of a chin. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| A hell of a chin. | ||
| He's something special because of everything. | ||
| He's something special because of his physical attributes. | ||
| He's very tall and long. | ||
| He's very strong. | ||
| It's not just his skill. | ||
| He's got great wrestling. | ||
| He's got great striking. | ||
| It is his mind, too. | ||
| It's all those things. | ||
| It's his ability to press forward. | ||
| It's ability to break people. | ||
| It's ability to stay on top if you have that champion's mindset. | ||
| And to know that he's fought the majority of his career as a world champion, which is fucking crazy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I mean, almost a decade as the greatest in the world, chasing everybody that he's fought. | ||
| Every single fighter that he's fought. | ||
| You look at them, they're all guys like you, guys like Machida, world champions, Rampage, world champions, over and over and over again. | ||
| You go through the list of them. | ||
| Just all these killers. | ||
| There's this killer after killer... | ||
| Gustafson, you know, I mean, you just keep going through his entire career. | ||
| DC twice. | ||
| Stopped him in the second fight. | ||
| He's a fucking assassin. | ||
| And the most impressive thing about it for me is the fact that, you know, on a physical scale, he's phenomenal. | ||
| But just mentally speaking, to be able to go through everything that he's gone through, you know, the ups and downs and what that does to your mind. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, what that does to your mind and just... | ||
| Being able to put that to a side or be able to use it in order to go out and still perform as if he hasn't missed a beat. | ||
| That is hard because it gets to the point, you know, you get with anything in life. | ||
| You get tired of the monotony of it. | ||
| You get jaded by it. | ||
| And he hasn't been jaded by it and he still goes out there and performs like that. | ||
| That's impressive. | ||
| I think he needed someone like Dominic to get that fear going too. | ||
| I think he knew Dominic Reyes physically is a talented guy. | ||
| He's a great athlete. | ||
| He has tremendous footwork. | ||
| His ability to change angles and then fire back is insane. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| You saw it in the OSP fight where he knocked him out with like a couple seconds to go. | ||
| You see it in a lot. | ||
| His Jared Cannoneer fight. | ||
| He could step back and fire. | ||
| Fire uppercut. | ||
| Step back and fire that straight left. | ||
| His ability to change direction is amazing. | ||
| And I think a lot of that could be attributed to his football, baseball, like footwork movement, his ability to explode. | ||
| All that stuff that he did in other sports, I think directly translates to his ability to move really well inside the octagon. | ||
| And then on top of it, he's gigantic. | ||
| He's the same size as John, which is very unusual for John to face someone that's his height. | ||
| And he's really fucking strong too. | ||
| Now that was the intangible that I think that John didn't expect. | ||
| He didn't expect for him to be as strong as he was. | ||
| When he's able to get back up every time? | ||
| Yeah, when he get up like he wasn't even on him. | ||
| His legs are fucking huge. | ||
| You look at He's got tremendous power. | ||
| Both with his punches, but also with his ability to move, man. | ||
| He was throwing great kicks. | ||
| He was chopping at John's legs. | ||
| Out of any fight in John's future, I want to see a rematch. | ||
| I really want to see what Dominic Reyes looks like now with this rub, understanding how close he was, and then the amount of conditioning that he's going to have to put himself through to be able to do that again in five rounds. | ||
| And it's not like either guy got Fucked up in that fight where they're going to be severely damaged. | ||
| It's not like one of those crazy wars where, like, Adesanya-Kelvin Gastelum, at the end of that fight, I was like, oh my god, you know, I hope Kelvin takes some time off after that one. | ||
| That was chaos, just wildness. | ||
| It wasn't like that. | ||
| It was a grueling, difficult, hard fight, but it wasn't a fight where there was so much damage that both Jon and Dominic needed to take a long time off. | ||
| I feel like you could make that fight in eight months. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And that would be the fight to make. | ||
| That's a crazy rematch. | ||
| And the thing about it was, surprisingly to see, their faces weren't beat up at all. | ||
| And I'm like, these dudes were landing some shots on each other. | ||
| And their face was not even... | ||
| I thought for sure John's lip would be all swollen like it was when he fought Augustus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He took those shots well, man. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| But I think that this is exactly what John needed in that light heavyweight weight class because it was getting kind of stagnant, and I think it needed some time to mature. | ||
| But I think Dominic Ray has just said, you better stay here for a little bit. | ||
| And here's another guy, Corey Anderson. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Corey Anderson is somebody. | ||
| That's the dark horse I've been telling everybody. | ||
| Listen, that's the dark horse. | ||
| The way he knocked out Johnny Walker, and he's angry. | ||
| He's angry. | ||
| He's angry. | ||
| And that's something you've never seen, Corey. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You've never seen that before. | ||
| After that fight, he was letting everybody know, you fuckers have been slipping. | ||
| You've been sleeping on me. | ||
| You guys have been pretending that I don't exist. | ||
| I'm out here beating the best in the world. | ||
| If he fights Jon Jones, I think that's when Jon better be like, all right, He better be so ready. | ||
| He doesn't have a chip. | ||
| He's got logs on his shoulder. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He's angry. | ||
| He's pissed. | ||
| He's pissed off. | ||
| After that Johnny Walker fight, he was so out of character. | ||
| He's screaming and yelling. | ||
| He was angry after he won. | ||
| He knocked him out in the first round, and then he's bad. | ||
| The years of disrespect, though. | ||
| And that's how he trained, though. | ||
| He always trained with that mindset, like, oh, they don't respect me. | ||
| That's why he worked so hard. | ||
| Yeah, his endurance is insane. | ||
| His pace is insane. | ||
| Yeah, training alongside those guys in Jersey was probably one of the best experiences of my career. | ||
| Training with Mark Henry was mind-blowing. | ||
| You were telling me about this. | ||
| You and I had this long conversation about that. | ||
| Tell me what it's like to work with that guy. | ||
| Mark Henry is a genius. | ||
| You know, what he does is he breaks down the game like no one I've ever trained with before. | ||
| So for every combination that we throw, every punch is all accounted for with a code. | ||
| And that code is specific to you and to what's important in your life and the way you value. | ||
| So he sits and he talks to you about, you know, your family and whatnot. | ||
| And then, you know, he'll make these codes up. | ||
| And these codes would just be like for a combination to be I say, Jab, Cross, Hook. | ||
| You know, then he'll say, that's Nia. | ||
| That's my daughter's name. | ||
| And then he'll make a whole system of codes with just names. | ||
| And then when you're sparring, he'll call out the name. | ||
| And you just got to know what that technique goes to. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There's a bunch of different techniques for different colors, for different movement. | ||
| And, you know, he can have, he just says it. | ||
| And it's like he's, like when I watch him go with Frankie, because Frankie has a system down the best. | ||
| It's like he's controlling Frankie like a game. | ||
| Like an Xbox controller. | ||
| Yeah, he's just saying these commands and Frankie hears them and then he goes off. | ||
| Sometimes if I'm going... | ||
| And I don't see it. | ||
| He'll say something and I don't see it. | ||
| I'll nod it off and then he'll say another one. | ||
| But if he says it, then most of the time I just do it because he sees it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's crazy to have that kind of confidence in another person. | ||
| Well, that's the part of the training that you learn. | ||
| And then... | ||
| The good side to that is that it makes it easier for when you're just out there fighting. | ||
| Sometimes it can be difficult if you are too dependent on it and you just kind of lose the ability to create yourself, you know? | ||
| But for the most part, he does such a good job of breaking it down that it's pretty easy, but it is a very technical system to learn. | ||
| And anybody who gets a chance to work with Mark Henry, I suggest you do it. | ||
| And here's another thing. | ||
| Mark Henry is one of those guys. | ||
| I stayed at his house when I first went to stay with him. | ||
| And he doesn't sleep. | ||
| He'll stay up to like 2, 3 o'clock in the morning watching film. | ||
| And then he'll go to sleep for a couple hours and he'll wake up at like 7 in the morning to go do his first pizza shop because he owns a pizza shop. | ||
| And he has this crazy work schedule, but he loves fighting. | ||
| It's so weird that a guy runs a successful pizza business and he's also one of the best trainers in the world. | ||
| It's so strange! | ||
| And he makes a killing dirt with his pizza shop. | ||
| He kills it. | ||
| I heard his basement gym is amazing. | ||
| Oh, it is amazing. | ||
| His basement gym is where all the magic happens, man. | ||
| He has all the codes written out. | ||
| He'll torture you in that basement. | ||
| He'll torture you. | ||
| He'll get your mindset sharp as hell, but he'll torture you in that basement. | ||
| Well, it's such a diverse group of fighters, right? | ||
| Zabit comes down there. | ||
| Marlon Morais. | ||
| He had so many interesting guys. | ||
| Edson Barboza. | ||
| So many interesting guys had gone through that gym. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| When I first... | ||
| I was standing there and I got to train with Zabit a little bit and got to live with Zabit and the Russian Dagestan fighters. | ||
| So it was a pretty cool experience because you kind of get to know their culture and just get a different respect for it. | ||
| And those guys are just... | ||
| Hard work of those dagestanding guys. | ||
| They're so hard. | ||
| They work hard. | ||
| They pray hard. | ||
| They just are very, very focused individuals. | ||
| And you watch them. | ||
| You're like, oh, okay. | ||
| Even now, I'm like, you know what? | ||
| Maybe I need to get a little bit more serious about my thing. | ||
| That's where the success comes from. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Think about how many great fighters come out of that region. | ||
| It's really extraordinary. | ||
| Yeah, and these guys are phenomenal. | ||
| Like, I watch them after training, and these guys do this, like, it's like a Randori type of sparring afterwards, and they just do, like, jumping off the walls, all these kind of, like, these acrobatic crazy moves that you don't think will ever work, and you see them like, oh, my God, where do you get that from? | ||
| They practice it all the time, and they just do all these kind of crazy moves at the end of training. | ||
| At the end of training? | ||
| At the end of training. | ||
| So they're done with all the real work. | ||
| Let's just fuck around and see if we get creative. | ||
| Yeah, they get creative and they just start doing all kinds of stuff. | ||
| And they throw real moves in the air. | ||
| But they drill everything. | ||
| And Zabit, that dude is probably one of the best guys I've ever seen in training. | ||
| Just martial arts-wise. | ||
| This guy, he jumps off the cage and do all kinds of... | ||
| Acrobats and come down doing all kinds of ground acrobats and he just makes it look so effortless and easy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He is really good. | ||
| He's really good with his mixture of traditional martial arts techniques, you know, because he has that kung fu background. | ||
| So he throws a lot of like round kicks and spinning kicks and all that kind of crazy shit. | ||
| But then he'll hit you with like some judo shit, a lot of tosses and trips. | ||
| Yeah, and he's got great submissions to I mean he's got great wrestling. | ||
| He's got great boxing I mean, he's a weird combination of a bunch of different styles and he's tall to not that tall length is really Something that helps him out to this Frankie Edgar whenever he goes on him He's like man. | ||
| I feel like I can get him down But then I look down and then his feet are still touching the ground. | ||
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| He's so tall for 145. Yeah, he's so tall for 145. I'll tell you what, though. | ||
| He had a hard time in his last fight with Calvin Cater. | ||
| That dude is fucking dangerous. | ||
| Well, Cater's a dog, though. | ||
| He's a dog. | ||
| He's a dog. | ||
| He's the dark horse at 45, in my opinion, because he was beating Zabit in that last round. | ||
| And it was rough. | ||
| Zabit was trying to just get the fuck away from him. | ||
| And he just stays on him. | ||
| And I think he has the best boxing in that division. | ||
| And he's also huge for 45. Yeah. | ||
| You stand next to him, you're like, how the fuck are you weighing 145? | ||
| He looks like he's a 160. He doesn't look anything like 145. I know. | ||
| It seemed like in that fight, Cater kind of realized towards the end, like, wait a minute, I can beat this dude, you know? | ||
| And that happens sometimes. | ||
| When you go against a guy who has a bunch of different tricks, You find yourself putting yourself in his trick bag just by being aware of all the things that he can do. | ||
| You find yourself like, oh, he's going to set that up. | ||
| Oh, he's going to set that up. | ||
| And by you being too watchful of what he's doing, you're shutting your own game down. | ||
| And it seemed like Cater just threw caution to the wind at third round. | ||
| He was like, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to just go out and just make it happen. | ||
| And then when he did that, he found his opportunities. | ||
| I think also the first two rounds were really fast-paced. | ||
| And I think in the third round, Cater was the one who was in better condition. | ||
| He was the one who was pressing the pace in the third round. | ||
| And he was also landing body shots. | ||
| Like some nasty body shots that were adding up. | ||
| He's a fascinating guy, Calvin Cater. | ||
| I'm really interested to see him. | ||
| He's fighting Jeremy Stevens next. | ||
| Which should be fucking chaos. | ||
| Because Jeremy Stevens is another savage. | ||
| He only fights one way. | ||
| And that's, you know, kill or be killed. | ||
| See, I feel like guys like that don't even need to win. | ||
| They just need to go out there and just fight. | ||
| Because his fighting is so good. | ||
| You just want to see him go out there and just fight, man. | ||
| He's had so many oh shit moments in his career. | ||
| Like Dennis Bermudez, he hit someone with that flying knee up against a cage. | ||
| Josh Emmett, the KO of Josh Emmett. | ||
| He fucks people up, man. | ||
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| And he's got ridiculous power too. | ||
| And with Calvin's boxing and Jeremy's savagery, the two of them together, and Jeremy has ridiculous power, the two of them together, that's going to be amazing. | ||
| And then they have Zabit. | ||
| Zabit is now going to fight Ortega. | ||
| Brian Ortega's comeback fight is going to be Zabit. | ||
| And that's a tough fight to come back to. | ||
| Ortega's been out, injured a bunch, hasn't fought since he lost to Max. | ||
| He's had a bunch of, like, real problematic injuries that he can't get over. | ||
| And then finally he's healthy now, he's going through training. | ||
| And, you know, tall order though, to jump right back in the deep end of the pool with a guy like Zabit. | ||
| But you know what, though? | ||
| Sometimes it is a tall order, but sometimes when you just came from a big fight, that's the kind of fight it's easier to get up for. | ||
| He just came from challenging for the title, right? | ||
| It'd be hard for him to take too far of a step down in competition because then it's going to be hard to get himself up for it. | ||
| But if he's taking a step kind of like in an upward motion, then it's like, okay, I can get up for this fight, and then he can train for it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, because Zabit is, I don't know what the official ranking is. | ||
| In my book, he's two or three, right? | ||
| He's right there. | ||
| He's right at the top of the heap. | ||
| In my book, I mean, there's Volkanovski. | ||
| He's the champ. | ||
| There's Max Holloway. | ||
| They have to fight again. | ||
| They have to. | ||
| They're going to fight again. | ||
| And then after that, it's basically Zabit and Cater. | ||
| That's how I look at it. | ||
| And then a bunch of other guys. | ||
| Now that Aldo's down to 235, which is real interesting because Aldo is going to fight Triple C. He's going to fight Cejudo. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yes, for the title. | ||
| That is interesting. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| I thought Aldo looked the best that he's looked in a long time at 135. Yeah, he looked amazing. | ||
| He looked a bit like the Aldo, minus the kicks. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Minus the kicks. | ||
| I wonder why he doesn't throw so many kicks anymore. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Do you think he has injuries or something? | ||
| I think he might have an injury. | ||
| I think he don't want to take a chance of hurting something and then having to fight through it, fighting compromised. | ||
| But it's crazy because his kicks were just such a devastating weapon. | ||
| I mean, he'll only need like two or three of them and just change the whole complexion of the fight. | ||
| One. | ||
| Like when he fought Uriah. | ||
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| But imagine that power of leg kick to the lower calf. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Yeah, maybe it's a knee thing. | ||
| Maybe he can't throw those kicks because his knees are fucked up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'd like to know. | ||
| Because that was one of his primary weapons. | ||
| But still, even without that, I felt like he beat Marais. | ||
| I felt like that was a bad decision. | ||
| But he's fighting Marais, who's easily one of the best 35ers on Earth. | ||
| Marais is so good, man. | ||
| That left high switch kick that he has is a thing of beauty. | ||
| The way he whips it, it's like a whip. | ||
| It's effortless. | ||
| It just goes to your head. | ||
| Yeah, Marlon is pretty sick, man. | ||
| He's beautiful. | ||
| Is this Aldo throwing some kicks? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Four days ago. | ||
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| Hmm, looks normal. | ||
| Looks normal. | ||
| It looks normal. | ||
| I don't see any problems. | ||
| Except the sound's all fucked up. | ||
| See, it's different, though. | ||
| It's different when you've got to crack somebody's leg. | ||
| I think, honestly, when it comes to the state of mixed martial arts, I think that once a lot of these fighters start to We were speaking about it earlier. | ||
| We were in the dark ages when it came to training and that transition of how to become more professional with your training. | ||
| I think nowadays fighters are starting to understand that more with the Performance Institute. | ||
| It's helping to educate these fighters a lot more on what proper training should be and what it truly could encompass. | ||
| And now there's more professionalism added to martial arts, but there's still an aspect that needs to be covering and that's on the equipment side. | ||
| The company that I work with, Onyx, Have you heard of Onyx before? | ||
| Yeah, I have a pair of the gloves. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Very, very good. | ||
| So we have a whole line, and the line that we have with Onyx, it's really the first MMA brand, like an MMA company that's made for all the way we move in MMA, you know, everything that happens in MMA, | ||
| because now the equipment that we use now, we borrow it from kickboxing or boxing, and there's that gap of just efficiency when it comes to manufacturing Yeah, Trevor Whitman sent them to me. | ||
| Did he design them? | ||
| Yeah, so Trevor's a genius. | ||
| He's another genius. | ||
| Oh my gosh, an absolute genius. | ||
| So he started, so what happened is when we were trained, if anything happened to our equipment, we would just give it to Trevor and Trevor would go and he would tweak it and he would make some adjustments. | ||
| So then Trevor's like, man, the more he started to do that, the more he started to realize there's a huge gap. | ||
| The equipment that we're using is not efficient. | ||
| Some gloves that should be 16 ounces are actually 11 ounces. | ||
| And there's no integrity when it comes to... | ||
| So Trevor did a lot of research and he was like, man, there really hasn't been any improving on equipment since the thumb was put on the boxing glove. | ||
| And that's pretty much it. | ||
| So Trevor went and he learned how to sew. | ||
| He learned how to do everything. | ||
| And he was in his basement just making this equipment. | ||
| He's made the X Factor glove you have. | ||
| Look at him there. | ||
| Trevor Whitman sewing. | ||
| And he's good at it. | ||
| At first, I didn't realize how in-depth it was until I went to his basement and seen the little shop that he had, but it's pretty high-tech. | ||
| So we have the glove, the X-Factor glove, but we have a knee brace and we have a headgear, too. | ||
| What's up with the knee brace? | ||
| Not the knee brace. | ||
| It's the... | ||
| knee sleeve it's like it's like a niece it's a it's a shin guard but it slides into a knee brace you can slide you can slide it's like a knee brace at the same time as well as an ankle brace it secures a whole like whole leg pretty much and it's it feels like you have nothing on and you can kick with like anything and it feels feel it doesn't feel like it feels amazing and he has a really really thin headgear and uh i want to show you these gloves i | ||
| I brought some gloves to show you. | ||
| So these gloves right here are what we're going to be doing for the competition gloves. | ||
| The competition and the training gloves, the 7-ounce training gloves. | ||
| So pretty much what these are. | ||
| So this one is the... | ||
| So has he developed a different glove for MMA for competition as well? | ||
| Has the UFC seen these? | ||
| Because they need to make some adjustments. | ||
| We're talking with the UFC, but these are the ones. | ||
| So they're curved. | ||
| I like how it's curved. | ||
| So it sets up that you're in a curved position early on. | ||
| Because, as you know, when you get the gloves now, they're like a cardboard. | ||
| They want to open your hand, almost. | ||
| Yeah, they always want to open your hands. | ||
| But this allows your hands to stay in a natural fist-locked position, and you don't got to worry about that. | ||
| Need some help getting it on? | ||
| Yeah, big hands. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay, so it's curved right away. | ||
| Yeah, curved right away. | ||
| That's way better. | ||
| Yeah, like the old pride gloves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good padding too. | ||
| So it's... | ||
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| A lot. | ||
| These are definitely better than the ones UFC is using right now. | ||
| So if you see the X-strapping system in there, that also goes in there. | ||
| So that way it makes it so that your hand, you don't get the boxing break on your hand. | ||
| It keeps everything, all the muscles, all the ligaments and bones in place. | ||
| So that way when you're punching, everything is... | ||
| Is in form. | ||
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| It says grappling glove, fight glove. | ||
| Yes, grappling glove and fight glove. | ||
| So these ones were the ones at the factory and I had to hurry up and get these out just so I can... | ||
| I wanted to show you these. | ||
| So this one is... | ||
| This one is... | ||
| It's going to be like the training one, but we're going to put a different head on the front of it. | ||
| What's going to be different about it? | ||
| It's going to be just the top is going to be different, a little bit more so you can punch with... | ||
| Oh, hit it with the side? | ||
| Hit it with the side. | ||
| It'll be a little bit like... | ||
| This has got some side panning. | ||
| Yeah, but it'll be a side pad on like this a little bit more, you know? | ||
| So it's going to be a bit bigger, so that way you can hit like that and train. | ||
| Like casting punches like those. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I like these a lot. | ||
| I like these a lot. | ||
| Trevor's whole thing, man, is all about making it so that fighters can do what they enjoy doing a lot longer and be healthy about it. | ||
| Trevor's a G when it comes to adjusting and making what he needs to for the fighters so they can continue to do what they want to do. | ||
| He's made headgears for people to... | ||
| Because one of these fighters had a broken nose and he made a headgear. | ||
| And the headgear that he made with this guy, it was sick. | ||
| How does this work? | ||
| This is weird because it's like both sides are male. | ||
| Let's see here. | ||
| Oh yeah, so this is... | ||
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| It goes on the inside. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Yeah, it goes on the inside. | ||
| I gotta see... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Probably some weird shit. | ||
| You gotta talk to Trevor about it. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Or maybe it goes this way first. | ||
| Oh, I bet that's exactly what it is. | ||
| I bet it goes this way first. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly how it goes like that. | ||
| Oh, that is exactly what it is. | ||
| Yeah, so you can pull the strap on it. | ||
| Yeah, and then the strap goes over. | ||
| Okay, I see. | ||
| And the strap goes over the top. | ||
| These are great, man. | ||
| Well, there's definitely room for improvement, the current state of MMA gloves, the ones that UFC uses. | ||
| They're better than the original ones that they had a few years back. | ||
| You know, they improved them maybe eight or nine years ago or whatever it was. | ||
| But still, those are better. | ||
| Well, see, I mean, and that's where we are at Onyx, you know. | ||
| We just want to be able to get a product out there for the athletes and that they can use, but it protects them because a lot of the injuries, like 75% of them happen in training. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, and if we can kind of cut that number down, then they can have a lot more of these fighters making these dates. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And for the most part, for these fighters... | ||
| You can actually, you know, you can have gear that protects you and you don't got to suffer these long injuries like these ACLs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, it helped mitigate some of those things. | ||
| Well, you were a big part of the Black Zillions getting started. | ||
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| And when you had that opportunity as a guy who was a former world champion to go there and sort of... | ||
| Become a part of a team from the ground up. | ||
| What did you try to do that was different than you had seen in other camps that you had participated in? | ||
| I wanted to make it just like a... | ||
| You know, the biggest thing back then was that there was... | ||
| You always had to go to so many different places in order to just get that one thing. | ||
| So I really wanted to just make it so that... | ||
| Our guys didn't have a need to go anywhere else for anything else. | ||
| And that was the whole idea behind the whole Black Zillions. | ||
| We brought in all kinds of people from every different aspect, from training to nutrition, almost every aspect of it. | ||
| And that's what we wanted to provide our athletes with, just like the total game. | ||
| So they really didn't have to do anything or worry about anything except for showing up to train. | ||
| It worked for a while. | ||
| It worked for a while, but it's a hard thing to maintain because that's a very, very expensive thing. | ||
| Well, Glenn, the guy who put up the cash, I mean, I had heard some outlandish figures that he was in the hole for that place for by the time everything was up and running. | ||
| Yeah, it was a pretty hefty ticket, man. | ||
| It was an expense that did get out of hand. | ||
| It did get out of hand. | ||
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I'm sure. | |
| And here's the thing about it. | ||
| Even his situation, he got himself in a situation where he was doing so much for people, it just became a thing that people expected out of him. | ||
| And then when he wasn't able to do it anymore, then it was kind of like people were like, oh man, this guy isn't this and he wasn't that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He just wanted to do so much and had an idea to want to do things on another level, but at the same time, the finances of doing it was a massive undertaking. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| I mean, all credit to Dan Lambert, because Dan Lambert has been doing this from the beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That fucking guy. | ||
| I mean, he is the reason why these super camps got started. | ||
| Dan Lambert put his own money, and then the new ATT they built, he built himself from the ground up, built the whole fucking building. | ||
| And, you know, I haven't seen it in person. | ||
| I have friends that have gone to visit it, but I've seen it in videos, and it's holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's It's phenomenal. | ||
| I went inside of it. | ||
| Dan's the man. | ||
| Yeah, Dan. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| Dan is a good guy, man. | ||
| After the whole thing with the Black Zillions, him and I got to have a chance to spend some time together and just talk. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There was so much weird animosity. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| And then the UFC put that show together. | ||
| Yeah, it's like I inherited beef with people that I didn't even know. | ||
| I didn't even say hello to them. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| And I just inherited this beef and I was like, you know, it's silly. | ||
| And especially since the fact that ATT is like literally right down the street from my house, it would be closer to go there than anywhere else. | ||
| But it was weird for a while, but actually talking to Dan and actually getting to know him and, you know, it was a good thing because, you know, I got to get a lot of respect for him and just for what he's done with American Top Team and ATT in general. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, he's a brilliant guy. | ||
| I love that guy as a person. | ||
| I'm a big fan of his. | ||
| I just love that a person like that, like Dan Lambert, can literally change the course of MMA by setting an example and by having a gym that sets an example that's such an insanely high level. | ||
| So big, so many world-class fighters there, so much strength and conditioning, everything under one roof, dorms, everything. | ||
| I think that was the thing that kind of pushed things in that position for Glenn. | ||
| He had to keep up. | ||
| He had to keep up. | ||
| He was trying to outdo. | ||
| He was trying to do Dan Lambert. | ||
| I always wanted to do something that Dan wasn't doing. | ||
| Good luck with that. | ||
| It's a good way to go broke, man. | ||
| That's a good way to spend a lot of money, I'll tell you that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of super camps out there now. | ||
| It's interesting to see these places. | ||
| You have TriStar in Montreal, you have Duke Rufus in Milwaukee, you have Jackson Winklejohn in Albuquerque, you got AKA. When you first started, there was not that many places. | ||
| No, there really wasn't. | ||
| And to even get what we wanted out of it, you know, there's three gyms that we can go through. | ||
| We'll go to either Jackson's in Albuquerque, we'll go to TriStar in Montreal, or we'll go to Denver, and we'll work with Trevor Whitman in Denver. | ||
| So we had the three camps that we bounced around from, and that's where we'll go to get the most work. | ||
| And it worked for a while, you know, it worked for a while for the most part, but just all that traveling, it just became hard to do. | ||
| That has to wear on you when you're in the middle of a camp and you're... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Staying in hotels. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| When I was in camp, I really wouldn't travel too much. | ||
| So what we would do is that if Nate Marquardt was in camp and he wanted to stay at home most of the time, so we'll stagger it where he'll have a tough guy in camp every single time. | ||
| time so I'll be a couple weeks when George wasn't there or when Keith wasn't there you know and then sometimes we'll all come together but for the most part we'll just all rotate into these gyms depending on who was fighting who needed to work he's a guy that I feel is underappreciated Nate Marquardt, when he was at the very top of his game, was a fucking assassin. | ||
| That knockout of Tyron Woodley in Strikeforce to this day is one of the nastiest in tight elbow combination knockouts I think of ever, like a video game knockout. | ||
| See, Nate Marquardt was one of those guys, I'm like, oh man, you'll get anxiety before training and practice because you knew it was going to be a hard goal. | ||
| Like, my training growing up in the sport was just... | ||
| It was difficult, man. | ||
| You know, training with GSP, Keith Jardine, Nate Marcord, Joey Villasenor, Mike Van Arsdale, and, you know, even Ali Abdelaziz was even up in the mix, too. | ||
| But it was, you know, it was training with guys who, like, it was a hard go all the time, you know. | ||
| And Nate was one of those guys that I'm just like, oh, my gosh. | ||
| This dude is not going to get tired. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| He's good everywhere. | ||
| He's super strong. | ||
| It was just like one of those like, all right, I got to bring it in order to compete today. | ||
| Yeah, he was in that. | ||
| He had this weird transition between UFC and Strikeforce where people kind of forgot about him. | ||
| And then when he came back to the UFC, you know, he had some real good fights, but he had already had a really long career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had already had some really tough fights and then really tough fights in training too, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, and that's the thing. | ||
| Back then, we weren't really too smart. | ||
| Greg would kill us in training. | ||
| We'd do some shit that you'd be like, oh my gosh. | ||
| One time, Greg had us doing some buddy carries. | ||
| We're on the side of the Sandia Mountains, and it's like two or three feet, and you'll fall to your death. | ||
| And then we had to do these buddy carries, these wedding carries, where I'm holding Keith like this. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You fall to your death if you make a mistake. | ||
| There wasn't much room for mistake. | ||
| If I would have fell down, then we would have fell. | ||
| And we had to rotate every 60 steps. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| And Greg was always on the mental, like, yo, you gotta be ready to die. | ||
| You gotta be ready to face death. | ||
| Let's get it. | ||
| Seek death. | ||
| Meanwhile, he's such a sweetie in the corner. | ||
| I know. | ||
| In the corner, he's Hey, how you doing, Rashad? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Things are looking great. | ||
| That's why he does it, because he knows what he did to in training. | ||
| I can't imagine that. | ||
| Buddy carries or wedding carry like that, and literally if you fall, you die. | ||
| You both die. | ||
| Yeah, and then there was like one little slip, and he's like, all right, let's change things up. | ||
| Go on his back. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| Fuck out of here, Greg. | ||
| You go on his back, bitch. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| It was crazy, man, but that was a good time back then. | ||
| Just mental toughness training, huh? | ||
| Yeah, that was a mental toughness training. | ||
| Well, you guys, that Albuquerque team is always known for having crazy endurance. | ||
| I mean, that had to come from some of that grit, had to come from those hill workouts you guys would do. | ||
| We had a lot of grit because of those workouts that we did. | ||
| We did one where we do the sand dunes. | ||
| It was the worst, man. | ||
| You would cry like you had to carry somebody up doing the sand dunes. | ||
| And then if you didn't carry them all the way up, then you had to do it again until you completed it. | ||
| Like you would literally see grown-ass men crying. | ||
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Just like, I can't do it no more! | |
| That's a good way to get injured, too, though, unfortunately. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like there's this fine line between pushing really hard and fucking somebody up. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think now they've kind of figured it out, but just the mental aspect, it paid off big dividends. | ||
| And I'll talk to Dana White, and Dana's like, bro, you were so fucking crazy back then. | ||
| You were so paranoid. | ||
| I'm like, your Dana White impression. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You were paranoid back then? | ||
| I mean, I was a fighter, man. | ||
| Fighters are always paranoid. | ||
| You have to be paranoid if you're a fighter. | ||
| You have to think that everybody's trying to take something from you, right? | ||
| It's just a mindset. | ||
| But he'll say, I was crazy. | ||
| I was paranoid because I didn't really trust him back then. | ||
| But I'm just... | ||
| He's a promoter. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then on top of that, you had Greg Jackson always telling you that they want to get you out of here, man. | ||
| They want to get you out of the UFC, man. | ||
| Go ahead and just quit, Evans. | ||
| Just quit right now, man. | ||
| I know you want to give up. | ||
| They want to get you out of here anyways, man. | ||
| Like, no, no, I ain't going to quit. | ||
| Then show them you're not going to quit. | ||
| I don't want to see it. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, it was a good time over there. | ||
| When you first started fighting, how much striking training had you done before you decided to compete in MMA? Because you had this wrestling base. | ||
| Did you have any striking training growing up? | ||
| Did you do any boxing? | ||
| I did some boxing. | ||
| And I did some karate too. | ||
| I did tank sudo. | ||
| I did tank sudo for a few years from the time I was 13 to 16. That makes sense because you always had good kicks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, like that Sean Salmon knockout. | ||
| But you know, I never utilized my kicks like I should have. | ||
| My mom would always be like, every time, and Rashad, listen, Joe Rogan, she always would say something that Joe Rogan said. | ||
| Rashad, Joe Rogan said, you need to pass the guard, Rashad. | ||
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And I'm like, mom, I don't even know what the guard is. | |
| I need to pass the guard. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| When I fought Sean Salmon, she's the one who told me to throw, Rashad, throw your kicks like Bruce Lee, Rashad. | ||
| And then when I threw the kick and knocked him down, the next day, I talked to her on the phone. | ||
| She said, Rashad, that was a good kick. | ||
| And I was like, okay. | ||
| But I don't like that dirty shit, though. | ||
| And I was like, Ma, what you talking about? | ||
| Rashad, you knew he was knocked out. | ||
| You didn't have to hit him again. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Your mom said that. | ||
| I'm like, Ma, you can't tell. | ||
| You just got to keep going. | ||
| The referee said, don't stop until I stop you. | ||
| And I was just in the fight. | ||
| And she said, but still, Rashad, it's shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Ha ha ha ha ha ha! | ||
| That dirty shit! | ||
| Oh, that's so funny. | ||
| I was kind of surprised that you were head-kicking more people unconscious after that. | ||
| You know, that's the thing, man. | ||
| I needed to really, really step out of my game and make sure I stepped out of my game more and more often. | ||
| But after I switched things up and went from Jackson's to Florida, it was different because Mike Winklejohn, he was my guy. | ||
| Me and Mike Winklejohn had a really good relationship. | ||
| And he would work with me. | ||
| And a lot of times we would work together. | ||
| It was like a counseling session. | ||
| We would just talk about life. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| In between stuff. | ||
| We'd talk about everything. | ||
| And it was a fun training session, you know. | ||
| And that's when, you know, he'll instill in me all these different things. | ||
| You know, he'll be like, oh, yeah, that kick is going to work. | ||
| That kick is going to work. | ||
| You know, even with the overhand right, when I caught Chuck Liddell, he was telling me, oh, yeah, that's the kick. | ||
| That's the punch that's going to catch him. | ||
| That's going to catch him. | ||
| That when I caught Chuck the day before, I was hitting that move because I was super nervous. | ||
| And I was hitting the overhand right and a left hook combination. | ||
| And then you say, oh yeah, that's going to be the punch. | ||
| You're going to hit him with that, and you're going to knock him out, and I'm not going to be able to get into the cage and congratulate you. | ||
| That's what he said to me, word for word. | ||
| And I'm just like, no way. | ||
| And then it happened. | ||
| I looked at him and was like, oh shit, it happened just like you said. | ||
| That was like a gunshot. | ||
| I remember that shot. | ||
| I remember you landing that shot. | ||
| The smack of your fist hitting Chuck and then seeing Chuck crumbles. | ||
| Like, holy shit! | ||
| Was that your most satisfying victory? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| It definitely was. | ||
| Just because, like... | ||
| Going into that fight job, like, the media sometimes can be so damn disrespectful, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, they were just kind of like, the questioning was like, you know, what have you even done to fight a guy like Chuck Liddell? | ||
| People are asking you that? | ||
| I mean, pretty much, in so many words, like, you know, what have I even done to him? | ||
| But you had already, at that point in time... | ||
| Had you fought for the title? | ||
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No. | |
| That was before you fought for the title. | ||
| Yeah, before I fought for the title. | ||
| And it was the fight before, the fight before, right? | ||
| The fight before, yeah. | ||
| I only got a chance to fight for the title because I beat Chuck Liddell. | ||
| Chuck Liddell was supposed to fight for the title. | ||
| I was a serve-up to fight for the title. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, that was his servant. | ||
| Well, the media was a little sloppy back then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's some really good guys out there now and gals that are covering MMA where they're real journalists. | ||
| They really are like real sports journalists. | ||
| But back then it was like anybody with a camera who liked fights. | ||
| Well, there's also a lot of people that were trying to get attention just by being douchey. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There was a lot of douchey sports guy talk. | ||
| I fucking hate that stuff. | ||
| That was driving me crazy. | ||
| It would be real disrespectful to fighters. | ||
| Real dismissive of fighters. | ||
| So going into the fight, I felt that disrespect. | ||
| And I was like, you know what, man? | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I don't care what happens. | ||
| I gotta at least give a good showing for myself. | ||
| And that's all I really cared about doing. | ||
| I walked out to the song... | ||
| Immortal Technique is called... | ||
| That's my boy! | ||
| Yeah, Immortal Technique. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| He's my friend. | ||
| Yeah, he's cool, man. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| Yeah, I came out to the song, Point of No Return. | ||
| And that song just really solidified everything I was feeling at that moment. | ||
| There's a verse in there that says, the place that I'm from doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| And I knew after I walked out to that fight, life would never be the same, whether I won or lost. | ||
| That was the big moment for you. | ||
| That was the big moment. | ||
| I was not going to be the same Rashad after that fight. | ||
| No matter what happened. | ||
| Immortal Technique has such great lyrics. | ||
| He's so smart. | ||
| He's a smart dude. | ||
| I'm so politically aware. | ||
| Geopolitically aware. | ||
| He's got so much depth to his lyrics. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| He's like one of those guys you listen to and you just kind of keep putting it back. | ||
| Did he just say that shit? | ||
| He's got a lot of oh shit lyrics. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| A lot of things that he says, you know, you go and you look it up afterwards, like, okay. | ||
| You know, he definitely had me looking up some things after I listened to him. | ||
| Dude, you won the Ultimate Fighter as a heavyweight, which is so crazy. | ||
| I know, because if you look at me now, I'm like a 170 fighter. | ||
| Yeah, what do you weigh now? | ||
| What are you walking around? | ||
| I'm consisting like 200. 200 pounds? | ||
| 200 pounds. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, that is like a 170 now in this day and age. | ||
| Yeah, 200 pounds. | ||
| But I feel good though, man. | ||
| I feel really, really good. | ||
| And it's a level that I didn't expect to feel this good. | ||
| I didn't think that a diet can make me feel this good. | ||
| What is particularly makes you feel so good? | ||
| In what way? | ||
| My energy. | ||
| I have an energy level that it's really hard to say. | ||
| It kind of feels a bit supernatural in a bit. | ||
| I feel energy. | ||
| I feel like my body's energy. | ||
| It's kind of hard to say. | ||
| It's kind of hard to describe without looking crazy. | ||
| Well, you're obviously, by following this vegan diet, I'm seeing all these supplements. | ||
| You're taking spirulina and all these different things. | ||
| You're obviously doing it right, which is, you know, there's a lot of people that they're vegan, but they're eating, like, pasta and pizza and shit like that. | ||
| They're just not doing it correctly in terms of taking in the proper amount of nutrients. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's the thing about it. | ||
| I read this book, The Mucusless Diet, and it's by Dr. Arnold Ehret. | ||
| And this is like in the early 1900s. | ||
| He came up with this book and he had some stomach issues. | ||
| And it was not until he was fed up and was on like, you know what, he was starving himself. | ||
| And then he realized he had some really, you know, it kind of changes his stomach situation. | ||
| So then he started looking into diet and nutrition. | ||
| And then he became a fruitarian. | ||
| And this book is talking about pretty much, you know, the role of food in your body and what it does and what causes mucus and what doesn't cause mucus. | ||
| And, you know, through understanding the mucus of the diet and just reading it, It just gave me a different hold on understanding, like a different understanding of why I'm doing this, you know. | ||
| And it became to me deeper than just like, oh, I can't have this because, you know, the diet says I shouldn't have it. | ||
| It says I can't have it because, you know, this is going to cause inflammation, you know. | ||
| I know the deeper reason of why, so it's easier for me to avoid the pitfalls of bad food, you know? | ||
| There's also a situation with people where there's biological variability, where some people, some diets just sync up well for them. | ||
| them like i know i know a lot of people that they don't feel good when they eat red meat when they fish they feel great yeah when they eat light foods you know their their body whatever for whatever it is their digestion favors certain type of diet yeah and that's what i found too because um uh i don't i don't know if this will work for everybody to It probably won't work for everybody. | ||
| I mean, most likely it won't work for everybody. | ||
| But for me, it was something that my body just was like, ah, it's about time you started to treat us the right way. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And the crazy part about it is the fact that now I train less, but I can train harder. | ||
| Like now I can do sparring sessions where I spar for like an hour straight. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, and I'm sparring at a pretty good pace. | ||
| It's smart sparring. | ||
| We're not bashing each other in the head and shit like that. | ||
| We're being smart about it. | ||
| We're doing a little bit lighter to the head, but more heavy shots to the body, making those ones count. | ||
| And just kind of like giving a nice shot to the head, but not like, I'm going to knock you out type of shot to the head. | ||
| What type of foods are you eating? | ||
| Give me a typical meal for you. | ||
| Typically speaking, it all depends on the time of the day. | ||
| But I don't eat no more in the fast up until noon or until like 1 o'clock. | ||
| And then my first meal... | ||
| Are you on like a 16-hour, 14-hour intermittent fast? | ||
| Like 16, intermittent fast. | ||
| And then once I eat, I usually eat like... | ||
| I'll come home and I'll eat maybe a hearty shake that I make of fruit, and then I'll put some mushrooms and stuff in it, just like the cordyceps, the lion's mane, and from this brand Lifecycle. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You heard of LifeCycle with a K? So that brand right there makes a really good tincture that you just drop it in there and you don't got to worry about changing the flavor of too much of your shake. | ||
| So I drop that in there with my shakes and stuff like that. | ||
| And I usually take that. | ||
| That would be my first meal. | ||
| Then the second one would be a little bit more hearty. | ||
| It would be something with vegetables and maybe some potatoes or something so it's a little bit more hearty. | ||
| And then I'll have another hearty meal, like a vegetable-type meal, vegetable-based meal, at nighttime. | ||
| And then I'll usually be done for the day. | ||
| Are you using any protein powders, pea protein, hemp protein, anything along those lines? | ||
| No, I don't use any protein powders. | ||
| Just vegetables, raw vegetables? | ||
| Yeah, just raw vegetables. | ||
| Raw vegetables and fruit. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't really feel like I have a need for it. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| My muscle mass is pretty good. | ||
| I don't feel like I'm too skinny or I'm not gaining any muscle. | ||
| I feel like I can gain muscle. | ||
| It's just been working for me. | ||
| So basically you just eat to feel good, however it makes you feel good. | ||
| Yeah, I've right. | ||
| And you've got it down now. | ||
| You know what kind of foods. | ||
| The supplement thing gets strange with vegans. | ||
| There's a lot of folks that they're mixing a lot of different dietary yeasts and a lot of different powders and different things and blending these different things. | ||
| Some people don't like the way that feels when you're eating like that, but it sounds like what you're eating is much more whole food based. | ||
| Yeah, mine is just whole food based. | ||
| Like a lot of the foods that I... I became actually a good cook now because of the fact that I had to learn to cook my own food. | ||
| My wife, she was busy becoming, you know, busier on her own, doing her own thing. | ||
| So she wasn't able to cook for me like she was before, but then I learned myself... | ||
| And through learning myself, it just completely took the shackles off of me. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Cook your own nice meals. | ||
| Yeah, so now I cook a lot of West Indian type of foods because I have a really good vegetarian menu. | ||
| Like a lot of chickpeas and things of that nature. | ||
| There's a really good vegetarian Indian place around here that I go to sometimes. | ||
| See, I love Indian food. | ||
| Yeah, it's really good. | ||
| I haven't gone in a month because I've been on this carnivore diet. | ||
| But this place was fantastic. | ||
| Real interesting, weird, you know, vegetable dishes. | ||
| Everything's vegetarian. | ||
| You know, I guess with them it's a religious thing. | ||
| A lot of Indians are vegetarian. | ||
| Yeah, vegetarian. | ||
| And I like a lot of Indian food just because of that, you know. | ||
| And that whole food diet, it just works for me. | ||
| But like you said, these supplements like this, This makes me, like, I feel like when I drink this, like spirulina, and just eat a lot of greens, and even, like, the mushrooms, you know, the cordyceps mushrooms and stuff like that, like, I just have energy to just go and go and go. | ||
| Is that lifestyle cycle tincture? | ||
| Somebody gave me some of that recently. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It's very good. | ||
| I gotta have them send you some. | ||
| I gotta have them send you some. | ||
| They send, like, they have, like, a really nice tincture set that they send out. | ||
| I should have bring it, but it has, like, it has, like, Reishi, it has turkey tail, lion's mane, the cordyceps, and it even gives you, you know, a schedule on when you should take it and when it's best for. | ||
| But it's a really, really good, good mushrooms because, you know, they put, they infuse theirs with this cockatoo plum. | ||
| It's a cockatoo plum. | ||
| You ever hear that? | ||
| No, it's a funny name. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Cockatoo plum is from Australia. | ||
| And it's like one of the most high in vitamin C fruits there is. | ||
| Like it's way higher in vitamin C than oranges and everything else like that. | ||
| Cockadoo plum. | ||
| Yeah, cockadoo plum. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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K-A-K-A. That sounds like something that a little kid would be eating now. | |
| It's a cockatoo plant. | ||
| It's a really, really good supplement. | ||
| I don't really like to recommend supplements too much, but that's one that I take and I'm like, man, I feel way better off. | ||
| Do you eat a lot of beets? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Beats are really good. | ||
| Beats are supposed to be really good for endurance. | ||
| Yeah, beats are really good. | ||
| But it's crazy. | ||
| Just eating greens like I've been eating greens, I feel like I don't get tired like I used to. | ||
| My body's just instantly recovering. | ||
| What was your old diet like? | ||
| When you're training for a fight, what would typical meals be like? | ||
| It was pretty clean, but I would eat a lot of meat. | ||
| I would eat a lot of meat, and I'm O positive, so I would eat a lot of red meat. | ||
| And I felt really good when I ate red meat. | ||
| It felt as if when I eat red meat, it almost felt like I could feel it within the next 20, 30 minutes. | ||
| My body breaks it down really fast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I felt good eating it, but I didn't feel like I had the endurance. | ||
| I didn't feel the endurance aspect like I do right now. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| The best that I ever felt was when I fought Tito Ortiz. | ||
| I was eating red meat, but I also was coupling that up with a lot of spinach. | ||
| I was eating a lot of spinach. | ||
| I would go and get a big bag of spinach. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing. | ||
| I'd get a big bag of spinach and I'd just put it in a blender and just grind it up and then throw some apples in it to make it a little bit sweeter to change the taste so it wouldn't be so greenish like I'm eating grass. | ||
| And then I would just drink those all the time, but it just made me feel so strong. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Now, did you used to work with the nutritionist at all? | ||
| I did. | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| I worked with... | ||
| Because when you were cutting weight, like, how many fights did you have at 85? | ||
| Two. | ||
| Was that too much of a struggle? | ||
| Yeah, it was too much of a struggle. | ||
| I'm in a weird position because I'm not a very big person. | ||
| I'm not big enough to be a light heavyweight, but I'm not small enough to be a middleweight either. | ||
| So I was in that weird space. | ||
| So when I cut down to 185, I felt like it felt drained. | ||
| I just didn't have the movement and the pop. | ||
| But then at 205, I kind of felt... | ||
| Back then, what did you walk around at? | ||
| Back then, I was walking around around like 225, 230. And what was different? | ||
| Because it was from eating the meat, you think? | ||
| Yeah, from eating the meat, I would get... | ||
| That alone has got to probably increase your endurance, just the loss of that much body mass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 20 plus pounds that your body doesn't have to pump blood through. | ||
| Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. | ||
| Yeah, so that just came off naturally when you stopped eating meat. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And another thing too, this is another reason why, because when I wasn't fighting, that was the problem because I would get into these bad eating habits because I would always know that when I had training camp, I can just cut the weight and just lose it like that. | ||
| But after a while, that just becomes your habit. | ||
| Anything you do over time, that becomes your habit. | ||
| It becomes your lifestyle. | ||
| And I was eating a lot of sugar, drinking a lot of booze and shit like that. | ||
| So I was like, man, I need to make a change for my life for the rest of my life, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| And that's why this whole lifestyle fits so much better in me, you know? | ||
| Do you think that would have changed your career had you eaten this way back when you were competing? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think it would've, but at the same time, I don't know in which way. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| You may have been too chill. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Because you're so calm now. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like I was what I needed to be at the time I needed to be it, you know? | ||
| I see, yeah. | ||
| And I feel like there are some aspects of my awareness, because that's what I would call it more than anything. | ||
| I hate to say, oh, I'm woke now, because I hate that whole woke thing. | ||
| But I feel... | ||
| Real woke is great. | ||
| Real woke. | ||
| But you know what it is? | ||
| The problem is people could take it too far and then really it's about getting other people to comply with your idea of wokeness. | ||
| And then it becomes almost like a religion. | ||
| You just want people to comply with your ideas about how to speak and how to talk and how to live. | ||
| Exactly You just become a dictator A little woke dictator Exactly That's what it is But the idea of like being woke Meaning aware You're spiritually cognizant Of your effect on people The life that you live And that's all beautiful That's great The problem is it gets abused I'm a dictator. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| People want to pretend that they have virtue, so they adopt this woke pattern, and then they try to force it on other people. | ||
| And then they're fucking annoying. | ||
| And then it pisses other people off that may be inclined to think that maybe it's good to be kinder, good to be more open. | ||
| And then they hear those fucks, and they're like, fuck these people, I'm going to vote for Trump again. | ||
| And that's what happens. | ||
| I hear that. | ||
| I definitely hear that. | ||
| I hear that because that's what... | ||
| That's how I would say it. | ||
| For me, it was more or less just awareness of myself. | ||
| I was aware of myself, but I didn't really have the awareness. | ||
| It's almost to the point where I'm just more cognizant of every single choice that I make. | ||
| And just... | ||
| And that's something I really didn't care about or really didn't think about before. | ||
| And just that awareness right there, it brings a whole new different understanding of life. | ||
| But I was like that person when I first woke. | ||
| I'm just like, oh man, why ain't this person woke? | ||
| And I wanted to wake up everybody. | ||
| And it was the most frustrating thing in the world. | ||
| And that's why I was like, you know what? | ||
| I won't do it, man. | ||
| Isn't that what always happens when people find something interesting? | ||
| That's what happens when people start doing CrossFit. | ||
| It happens when people start doing Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| They just can't shut the fuck up about it. | ||
| And it happens when people take on, you know, a new spiritual philosophy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They want everybody to understand how they're doing it and that you should do it this way too. | ||
| When people believe in what they're doing, they want to share it. | ||
| But they also want other people to do it too because if I can convince you to live my way, then it validates the way I'm living. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Because look, Rashad's woke too now. | ||
| Why don't you be woke? | ||
| And then you start just trying to spread it. | ||
| But I think that everybody has their own awakening. | ||
| And some people may not have that. | ||
| In this life. | ||
| They may never have that awakening. | ||
| Some people are burdened by their environment as well, right? | ||
| There's too much stress and anxiety. | ||
| You can't even see it. | ||
| Sometimes you don't have space. | ||
| And that's why I even give a nod to the psychedelics in that respect. | ||
| If you don't have the ability to have that mental space, there is something that can help have you have that insight that somebody who was... | ||
| Who was doing all the meditation because all you really need to do is feel it to understand why you need to do it. | ||
| And that's why I'm lucky that I was able to feel it. | ||
| So now it's nothing for me to meditate and go through all these spiritual practices because I know that is something real. | ||
| But beforehand, I was like, man, that shit is not real. | ||
| I don't believe that, man. | ||
| You feeling energy, huh? | ||
| I mean, I used to be one of those guys, but until I went through it, I'm just like, you know, you don't have that understanding. | ||
| Well, it's hard to see the result. | ||
| You kind of have to trust the process. | ||
| It's hard to see the result before you've experienced it. | ||
| You kind of have to trust the process, go through it. | ||
| Then something for me, a big one is yoga. | ||
| I'm a big believer in yoga and not just for physical reasons, for mental reasons. | ||
| It helps me tremendously. | ||
| And when I don't do it, I'm good. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| Like legit. | ||
| Legitimately, I should do yoga twice a week because I'm really only good for about three days after yoga class. | ||
| I need to just really balance out. | ||
| If I was doing it three times a week, there's not a thing in the world that can fuck with me mentally. | ||
| I'd be like, I'm fine. | ||
| Everything will be fine. | ||
| I've done the Bikram's yoga and that shit was just so hot. | ||
| I really couldn't focus. | ||
| That's the key, though. | ||
| I know, but I wasn't where I am right now. | ||
| You should do it now. | ||
| So tell me, like, when you go to Beekram, whatever you do? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, my place is not affiliated with Beekram anymore because he's got arrested for some scumbaggery. | ||
| He's actually been arrested, and I don't think he can come to America. | ||
| I think that's the thing. | ||
| I think he's got to, like, stay in hiding. | ||
| The thing about it, that guru life, that's the problem. | ||
| That is a problem. | ||
| It really is a problem when any one person has that much influence over so many people, particularly a male having so much influence over females that worship him, especially if you're a scumbag. | ||
| And he... | ||
| This is the thing about this. | ||
| He did not invent those postures, and he didn't even invent that sequence. | ||
| He brought it to America, and he popularized doing it in very hot rooms. | ||
| The benefits, though, forget him. | ||
| Take him out of the equation, because there's so many people that practice it, and they've had incredible benefits from it. | ||
| It's really unfortunate that it's connected to this very controversial individual because then people associate Bikram Yoga with this guy that's been accused of multiple sexual assaults and rapes and all these different things. | ||
| But you take that away from him as a human being and the people that practice it, what they get from it. | ||
| First of all, you know exactly what you're going to do every day. | ||
| There's 26 postures and two breathing exercises. | ||
| One breathing exercise in the beginning, 26 postures, one breathing exercise at the end. | ||
| It's 90 minutes. | ||
| It's 90 minutes at 105 degrees, and it's fucking brutal. | ||
| And I did it right before I got here. | ||
| I like to do it in the mornings, first thing in the morning. | ||
| I do it before I've eaten anything. | ||
| I go through a 90-minute yoga class. | ||
| I really like doing it that way. | ||
| And then at the end of the day, I have a couple different places that I do it at. | ||
| I like to mix it up. | ||
| But that hot yoga for me is the way to go. | ||
| Because first of all, I know the postures. | ||
| They all serve a purpose in terms of helping my body, helping my balance, keeping my flexibility, strengthening my joints. | ||
| There's so many really positive physical benefits from it. | ||
| And then two, the meditation aspect of it. | ||
| Because no matter what kind of bullshit I have going on in my life, if I just... | ||
| Breathe and think about the exercise and then you know my brain starts racing and I'll forget what I'm doing and I'll start thinking about other shit But I bring it back bring it back bring it back breathe just breathe You're not going anywhere for 90 minutes. | ||
| You're locked in this room literally the doors locked when the class starts So I am just breathing and going through these and I know that I can get through it because I've done a thousand times before just breathe and get through it and There's a cleansing Of like all the, your brain, there's like residual, there's residue of like shitty thoughts bouncing around inside your brain. | ||
| Anxieties and fears and regrets and anger and frustration and all this shit that's in your head that just gets in the way of clear thinking. | ||
| It gets in the way of being able to see things in an objective, beneficial way. | ||
| And to be able to see things the way other people see them as well. | ||
| Like sometimes, you know, I have an issue, and I think a lot of people do, that I don't see how other people are seeing things. | ||
| I see how I see things. | ||
| And then I go, well, okay, let me look at it from their way. | ||
| Let me just abandon. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| Well, they're fucking wrong. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Abandon all that shit and try to look at it from other people's ways. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| What yoga does for me is it allows me to be free. | ||
| It allows me to clean up all my preconceived notions and clean out all my misconceptions and just see things. | ||
| See things for how they are. | ||
| And I always feel better. | ||
| Always. | ||
| See, I gotta try that. | ||
| Oh, it's the best. | ||
| Especially now that you're on this vegan diet, I'm telling you. | ||
| You're on that path anyway. | ||
| Yoga is... | ||
| It's just so good for straightening your fucking head out, man. | ||
| I always wanted to try that kundalini yoga. | ||
| That's the shit that's supposed to make you trip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've had a bunch of friends do it. | ||
| My friend Denny, he's done it and he's done DMT too. | ||
| He's like, dude, it's the same goddamn thing. | ||
| You have full-blown visions. | ||
| You have full-blown psychedelic visions. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| When I do the DMT, I don't have... | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I don't have those... | ||
| Visions. | ||
| Those visions. | ||
| Okay, that's because you're doing 5-methoxy dimethyltryptamine. | ||
| The visions come from NN dimethyltryptamine. | ||
| Totally different thing. | ||
| I've done both. | ||
| I've done it before. | ||
| You've done NN? Yeah. | ||
| And you have no visions? | ||
| No, I have visions. | ||
| It's just silly things, though, sometimes. | ||
| One time I did it, I've seen this half... | ||
| It was like a... | ||
| I awake and I'm in a place and I'm just with these three massive beings like tall as a building and they were like half human and they were half snake. | ||
| And I got a snake from the waist down and that had a human from the waist up but had like a snake face. | ||
| Yeah, and that was one of the visions that I had. | ||
| What do you think that represented? | ||
| I don't know, but it was weird because during that experience, all three of them were staring at me and they were looking down. | ||
| And then one of them reached for me and then I started going up and then I started going around their body. | ||
| And then I went around the body and then... | ||
| As I was going around the body, every once in a while, I would see the face of it, and it would open up like a cobra, and then it would close. | ||
| But it wasn't scary. | ||
| It wasn't terrifying. | ||
| And I went all the way up the body, and it was like I was able to see from another angle me up in the body, and then it opened me up like a flower or something like that. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| And then my trip went... | ||
| Like, super, super fast. | ||
| So you definitely have had visions. | ||
| Yeah, I just can't quite make out what it... | ||
| What's it supposed to be? | ||
| Yeah, what's it supposed to be? | ||
| I had a bunch of jokers giving me the finger the last time. | ||
| A bunch of jesters, like court jesters. | ||
| See, I've never seen nothing like that, man. | ||
| It was ridiculous. | ||
| They were all like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you! | ||
| Like, circling me. | ||
| Like, infinite numbers of... | ||
| Basically, the feeling that I got was like, oh, I take myself too seriously. | ||
| And these jesters were just going, fuck you. | ||
| Like, you don't like that. | ||
| You don't like when someone goes, fuck you. | ||
| So they were going, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you. | ||
| And there was like, but they weren't saying the words, but they were definitely giving me the finger. | ||
| But there was like an infinite number of jesters surrounding me going, giving me like this vibrating finger. | ||
| And I was like, oh, but it was clear what they were saying. | ||
| Like, hey, bitch, you take yourself too seriously. | ||
| And then I was like, you're right, you're right. | ||
| And once I would say, you're right, they're like, nod at me, like, mm-hmm. | ||
| See, that's what I like. | ||
| I like to be able to work, like, that's work. | ||
| That's work right there. | ||
| Like, you went and you worked through something, you know? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| I think when you work too hard at something, and you're trying to achieve something, Like, oftentimes, you think very highly of yourself. | ||
| Like, I should, you know, my Netflix special's gonna be the shit. | ||
| I'm gonna, this is gonna be the best one I've ever done. | ||
| I'm gonna fucking show everybody how good this is. | ||
| And they were like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you! | ||
| And I was like, oh, okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| I was like, you're right. | ||
| This is silly. | ||
| It's like I'm just alive for a certain amount of time and I shouldn't think that way. | ||
| I mean, there's part of you that gets trapped in thinking that way because you're trying to do something. | ||
| But you don't have to think that way to do the thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's the thing, those visions and being able to... | ||
| When I did ayahuasca, I didn't have any visions, man. | ||
| I didn't have anything. | ||
| I got into a pretty good space, but I didn't have the typical teaching lessons everybody else has when you do something like that. | ||
| That seems like you probably didn't get a strong enough dose. | ||
| No, I did two large cups. | ||
| The thing is... | ||
| With that, and I'm speaking just from people talking to me about it, because I've only done the pure DMT. I haven't done the ayahuasca. | ||
| Oh, you haven't done the ayahuasca. | ||
| People say that a lot of these people that are making it, either they're not making it correctly or they're making a light dose because they're worried about gringos going crazy and They don't want to be responsible for that shit. | ||
| So I know people that have gone and they've had these experiences where they've done it with someone in America or someone who's done through a more commercial sort of organization and it wasn't really that strong or profound and then they went and did it with someone who was real. | ||
| Someone who's making some fucking super high grade, you know, 97 octane shit. | ||
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That's what I need. | |
| That's what I need. | ||
| Because I feel like after that I felt like Damn, I must be broke, man. | ||
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I must be broken. | |
| I can't even feel the damn ayahuasca. | ||
| It didn't give me the experience I wanted, but it gave me the experience that I needed. | ||
| That's something that I got after I was over the disappointment of it. | ||
| I was like, you know what? | ||
| I didn't get what I wanted, but I definitely got what I needed, you know, because whenever you sit in a circle and stuff like that, it's always an amazing cathartic thing where you just kind of just like shed and just go through those emotions. | ||
| Just watching other people just be so raw with their emotions and just kind of feeling that, you know, just through symbiosis, you kind of like start to feel like the work come through you. | ||
| You know, that's how I felt anyways. | ||
| Now, are you working a lot with fighters now? | ||
| Are you working with young fighters? | ||
| Are you doing it in any official capacity, or are you just doing it because you're at the gym? | ||
| I just train because I'm at the gym, but I like to train with the guys when I'm in there because I can go at a good pace, and I don't mind if they hit me up a little bit, and I will give them a look that some of the training partners won't give them. | ||
| Yeah, I enjoy that aspect of it, but I haven't been like, oh, you know, I'm going to come in here. | ||
| I haven't dedicated myself to someone's full camp, you know? | ||
| you know one of the reasons why i say is because a lot of people that i talk to that have trained with you and work with you one of the things they really like about you is your guidance is that you're a guy that they could sit down and talk to about things and you have a very learned and wise perspective and that could be especially with you know you consider your successful career that could be like very beneficial for young fighters coming up and i just wanted to know like had you ever thought about becoming a trainer yeah i i think about all the time and I work with some fighters now. | ||
| I have this team out in Michigan. | ||
| It's Team Mercy Lago. | ||
| My old coach, Joaquin Rodriguez, he's like the head guy there. | ||
| But him and I work together and we try to bring some of the fighters out and try to get them to the bigger shows and stuff like that. | ||
| But those fighters, I work with a lot. | ||
| My godson is one of those fighters there, Devin Smith. | ||
| And I work with him and try to get him to just... | ||
| You know, not only fight at a certain level, but mentally bring himself to a certain level, you know? | ||
| And he's always hated because he's always like, man, you always try to be like Yoda, try to give me a Yoda lesson. | ||
| I'm like, no, I'm not trying to be Yoda. | ||
| I'm just trying to, I just want to tell you, you know? | ||
| I'll be like Ken. | ||
| Yeah, because one time he hit me up, he's like, oh man, I'm ready to come down. | ||
| I'm ready to train. | ||
| I'm like, okay, you ready to come and train? | ||
| I'm like, all right, so have you been training? | ||
| And he's like, no. | ||
| And I'm like, hmm. | ||
| And I'm like, so what makes you think it's going to be different if you come and train with me? | ||
| I mean, you still have to train. | ||
| And he's like, I better get to the gym, huh? | ||
| That's one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had with people. | ||
| They go, you know what, man? | ||
| If I train, I think I'll be a fucking world champion. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| I don't even know where to start with that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't even know what to say there. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If I meditate, I think I can see through walls. | ||
| I'm not going to meditate, though. | ||
| Like, what does that mean? | ||
| I know. | ||
| People have weird ways of looking at themselves, you know, where they just decide they're special without putting in any work. | ||
| You know, like they decide there's something about them that makes them different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they want that to be the case, but they don't want to work towards it. | ||
| It's a weird trap that you see in young people where they just convince themselves there's something significant about them. | ||
| You know, and that's a real problem with young guys. | ||
| They get into fighting that have a delusional perspective and they'll accept fights they shouldn't accept. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they're like, I'll fight that motherfucker. | ||
| That guy has 30 fights. | ||
| You have one. | ||
| Are you crazy? | ||
| You know? | ||
| But I think that I see that more with the kids and it's this next generation just because we're such a voyeuristic community. | ||
| I mean, society now. | ||
| And I think now people just see somebody like, oh yeah, I can do that, but not really realizing, like you said... | ||
| All the guts that go into what make them good at what they do. | ||
| Well, there's lessons that are out there. | ||
| If you just pay attention. | ||
| Look, here's a great lesson. | ||
| Conor McGregor versus Floyd Mayweather. | ||
| One guy has zero pro boxing matches. | ||
| One guy's the greatest of all time. | ||
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| And somehow or another, they sold us on this thing, and we all paid money, me included, and we watched this fight. | ||
| That was exactly how any expert would tell you it's going to go down. | ||
| Floyd's going to fuck him up. | ||
| There's another one, maybe an even more egregious one, because at least Conor McGregor was a world champion, combat sports athlete, and a wicked fighter. | ||
| There was a lion fight where they had Lerdzilla. | ||
| Do you know who Lerdzilla is? | ||
| No, I don't know who it is. | ||
| Ooh, he's a motherfucker! | ||
| Motherfucker! | ||
| This Thai dude, he's a motherfucker, and he fought this dude with zero pro Muay Thai fights. | ||
| I think Lerdzilla has 300 Muay Thai fights, and he fought this dude and played with him and then head-kicked him into another dimension. | ||
| But he head-kicked him off the front leg, just... | ||
| And the dude folded. | ||
| It's a crazy KO. How did the fight even get set up like that? | ||
| That's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think maybe he had another opponent and that opponent got injured and dropped out and then this MMA fighter decided to try his hand at Muay Thai so he jumped in there in a Muay Thai fight against arguably one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters alive. | ||
| You should watch Lerdzilla's highlight reel. | ||
| First of all, he's super elusive. | ||
| He's an unusually elusive fighter. | ||
| But he hit this motherfucker with a left high kick just off the front leg, just whipped it up off the front leg and caught him on the chin and folded him. | ||
| And I was like, whoever said yes to that fight, whatever commission allowed that fight to take place, you guys should have to go to trial. | ||
| Someone should sit down with you and go, how the fuck did you allow this to take place? | ||
| That sounds crazy as hell, man. | ||
| Zero pro fights versus 300. I mean, maybe he didn't have 300. Maybe he had 264 or some crazy shit like that. | ||
| But he's Lerdzilla. | ||
| I mean, Lerdzilla is a famous Muay Thai fighter. | ||
| Oh, did you find it? | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| Oh, that's the dude after he got crumpled. | ||
| Go before that. | ||
| Go before that. | ||
| So you could watch... | ||
| I mean, Lerdzilla's just fucking him up from the beginning. | ||
| And credit to the dude for thinking he could take the fight and step it up. | ||
| But Lerdzilla basically just battered this fucking guy. | ||
| You can tell the look on his face he's just playing with him. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, Lerdzilla's brilliant, man. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| And that was one knockdown. | ||
| He got up after that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He knocked him out after that. | ||
| He knocked him out. | ||
| Watch his front leg. | ||
| Teep. | ||
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| Smack. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Folds him. | ||
| That's a complete, total mismatch. | ||
| Like, if that dude was doing that and sparring to that guy, everyone would be mad at him. | ||
| Everybody would be like, hey man, this guy's not on your level. | ||
| Don't fuck him up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, take it light on him. | ||
| Be nice. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Teep. | ||
| Smack. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Hands down. | ||
| Not worried about shit. | ||
| Playing with him. | ||
| And the whole fight's like that. | ||
| And Lord Zillow's a beast, man. | ||
| He's fun to watch. | ||
| That damn kick was lightning fast, man. | ||
| Lightning fast. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Off the teep. | ||
| Teep. | ||
| And then no wind up. | ||
| No switch. | ||
| Just cracks him in the face with it. | ||
| Dude, that's crazy. | ||
| He's brilliant. | ||
| That guy's brilliant. | ||
| But that's a crazy mismatch. | ||
| So a guy can say, I'll fucking fight this guy. | ||
| Someone needs to grab you and go, hey man, no. | ||
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Don't do it. | |
| Don't do it. | ||
| You think you can hit the bag. | ||
| You think you can hit hard. | ||
| You think you can do all these things. | ||
| You're about to get in there with a master. | ||
| A guy who has mastered this one particularly brutal combat sport. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| There's nothing worse than when you're in a match when you feel that damn outmatched by somebody. | ||
| I was doing jujitsu and I think I was going with a Hadra Gracie. | ||
| I always felt like I was doing pretty. | ||
| I was like, I feel like I'm pretty alright. | ||
| And then when I went with him, he was just on me and it was just toying with me. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I felt like I couldn't make a right move and I'm just like, man, this sucks. | ||
| This is the worst. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| And then he got on top of me. | ||
| And normally if I get on somebody, I can hold them down pretty well, but it was just a different level. | ||
| And I'm just like, wow. | ||
| Yeah, those old school guys like Haja Gracie, Salo Hubera, Shandri Hubero, those guys have that pressure top game. | ||
| There's something about that old school jiu-jitsu pressure game, but Salo's a master at that. | ||
| Shandri's a master at that. | ||
| Rafael Lovato is a master at that. | ||
| That smashing pressure game. | ||
| But Hodger is not just a master at that. | ||
| He's also like, his physical attributes, he's so long and tall. | ||
| Yeah, that longness and he knows, he's got... | ||
| Like, you know, that long leverage, that tall strength. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It's a different kind of strength. | ||
| It's a different kind of strength than somebody long and tall and strong. | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| Well, that's a big advantage John has. | ||
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Yes. | |
| You see John use that on people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That long strength is the best grappling strength. | ||
| It's like those guys that have that. | ||
| I feel like that body, that John Jones body is a perfect body for MMA because he's strong. | ||
| He's tall. | ||
| He's tall and thin, but he's also strong as fuck. | ||
| Like, he's muscled enough, but he also has that extra length. | ||
| Yeah, and his legs are perfect, too. | ||
| They're skinny. | ||
| You can go down and get really skinny, so they're really fast, too. | ||
| I'm just watching him throw kicks. | ||
| I'm like, man, he's throwing those legs like it's effortless, you know? | ||
| His calves are ridiculous. | ||
| They don't even make sense. | ||
| Like, how are those on your body? | ||
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Right? | |
| How are those on your body? | ||
| You look at his shoulders. | ||
| His shoulders are massive. | ||
| And then they go down those little calves. | ||
| Like, what's going on here? | ||
| And he kicks the hell out of you with those little skinny legs, too. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| And there hasn't been many people that have been able to exploit the fact those calves are so small. | ||
| You would think that with this trend in calf kicks, Tiago Santos tried it. | ||
| He hit him with some good ones, for sure. | ||
| But John figures it out, eventually, and then he just starts checking them. | ||
| He checked most of them against Dominic. | ||
| Most of those low calf kicks, he checked. | ||
| He just saw them. | ||
| I'm coming. | ||
| How do you even check a lower leg kick? | ||
| Just turned out. | ||
| You know, turned out. | ||
| Just made it so that he was going shin to shin. | ||
| They went shin to shin a lot. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that. | ||
| It's real hard to check, though. | ||
| Yeah, it's really hard to check. | ||
| It's also real hard to just take. | ||
| You could take those thigh kicks if you're conditioned a little bit. | ||
| And just like you said, he had to make a choice to take it how he wanted it. | ||
| But he's still taking the shot. | ||
| Right, he's still going shin to shin. | ||
| Yeah, he's still going shin to shin. | ||
| But they're both feeling it. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| They're both feeling it. | ||
| When you get the meaty part of that bone part, that's when you get that sciatic nerve. | ||
| That's when you shut down like Chandler did. | ||
| The key had no choice. | ||
| His leg was like, nope, not today. | ||
| So Hudo, too, in the second fight with Mighty Mouse, his leg shut down. | ||
| Yeah, his leg shut down. | ||
| Yeah, your nerve just shuts off and your foot doesn't work. | ||
| It's numb. | ||
| It's just dangling. | ||
| Try to stand on it, shit just collapses. | ||
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It's gone. | |
| The Chandler fight, they were trying to tell him his leg's broken, and he's like, I'm fucking fine. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
| I think that fight should not have been stopped. | ||
| But the referee should know, and the doctor should know, this is what happens if you just give it a few minutes to recover. | ||
| If he can survive the onslaught during that time, his leg will come back. | ||
| And I'm thinking Chandler probably would have. | ||
| And Cejudo, it did. | ||
| Cejudo figured out how to just sort of chuck and jive with Mighty Mouse. | ||
| And I don't think Mighty Mouse knew the extent that his leg was numb, but it recovered. | ||
| When you get hit like that, though, for a second, you're like, this motherfucker's cheating. | ||
| Like, you feel like... | ||
| You feel it for a second. | ||
| You feel like this motherfucker is cheating because it hurts so bad. | ||
| And it's very rare to have something that hurts you immediately in MMA. There's not many strikes that can hurt you immediately. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's one of them that hurts you. | ||
| That nerve pain. | ||
| Yeah, you feel it immediately. | ||
| Isn't it weird that that went on forever until Benson Henderson started doing it to people? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was the first in MMA, in my opinion, at a high level to start chopping at those lower legs. | ||
| Real low. | ||
| Real low. | ||
| Right above the ankle. | ||
| He'd fuck people up with that. | ||
| He would kill people with those lower legs. | ||
| But now, that is the move. | ||
| Everybody's doing it now. | ||
| It's a staple. | ||
| It's funny how MMA does it, though. | ||
| It goes through all these cycles now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think now people are really starting to find a home for those oblique kicks that John throws. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The Winkle John camp. | ||
| They're weird though because if you graze off, it leaves you in a weird place because your foot's turned outward and you can get hit with punches. | ||
| You're in a weird punching range where you're not in a good stance to fire back because your foot is sort of pronated outside. | ||
| Yeah, pronated outside. | ||
| It's a great kick though. | ||
| You know who fucking throws the shit out of that? | ||
| Lorenz Larkin. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| He throws that shit to the body. | ||
| When he fought Neil Magny, he threw that oblique kick to the body. | ||
| And I was like, oh my goodness. | ||
| That motherfucking kick though. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| He can kick. | ||
| When I'm watching him kick, I'm just like, oh my gosh. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's so fast, too. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I was really interested to see how he was going to do over in Bellator. | ||
| But then he had that crazy war with Paul Daly. | ||
| You can't get in a war with Paul Daly. | ||
| That dude's left hand is one of the best weapons in the sport, period. | ||
| He got that one-hitter. | ||
| He got that heat. | ||
| He has... | ||
| That left hand's ridiculous. | ||
| It's crazy, right? | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
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It's power. | |
| It's stupid just to have that kind of power in his hands like that. | ||
| There's certain guys that just have that. | ||
| Like Rumble. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Rumble. | ||
| And now he's going to come back as a heavyweight, he said. | ||
| Yeah, and he's looking good. | ||
| He's in training now. | ||
| Dude, Rumble versus Dominic Reyes. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Rumble scares the fuck out of everybody. | ||
| You might beat him, but you also might get knocked into another dimension. | ||
| Because he hits like... | ||
| I mean, he's been my trainer partner for the longest time. | ||
| And he knows. | ||
| I'm like, Rumble, you know, don't... | ||
| Don't hurt me. | ||
| Yeah, don't be going crazy, man. | ||
| I ain't go crazy. | ||
| I ain't go crazy. | ||
| And we train. | ||
| We train smart. | ||
| But, I mean, there's a couple times he hit me. | ||
| I'm like, man, I'm not your friend anymore. | ||
| Don't fucking talk to me. | ||
| Don't you fucking talk to me. | ||
| I told you don't hit me like that. | ||
| Dude, when he knocked out Glover with one punch, I was like, holy shit. | ||
| You do that to Glover, Teixeira? | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| The thing about his punches is you can't really gauge how... | ||
| You don't know which one is going to be that shot because they come at... | ||
| He likes to move his hands around a lot, too, while he's throwing punches. | ||
| Yeah, so you don't know which one's going to be the one to touch you. | ||
| Yeah, and they come from all angles. | ||
| Here he is in shape now. | ||
| He's been training with hoofed. | ||
| He looks good. | ||
| He looks gigantic. | ||
| It's so hard to believe that guy was ever 170. I am so baffled by how the fuck he made that weight. | ||
| So this is over at the New Gym Stanford. | ||
| Look at him, man. | ||
| Just... | ||
| So what is the new gym called? | ||
| It's called Stanford. | ||
| The team's called Stanford MMA now. | ||
| Okay, and who's running that? | ||
| It's the same people as Henry Hoof. | ||
| Sanford? | ||
| Yeah, Sanford. | ||
| No T. Sanford MMA. Yeah, and so it's all the Black Zillion guys? | ||
| Yep, all the Black Zillion guys. | ||
| Look at that, Rory and Robbie Law are training together there now. | ||
| Yeah, Rory's been there getting some work in the last couple weeks. | ||
| How long has this gym been around for? | ||
| Man, so this is H Kickboxing. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It just has a different name. | ||
| Yeah, just different name. | ||
| So we just now moved into that gym on a more consistent basis. | ||
| It looks beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they spent, I think, like a couple million on it. | ||
| They spent some money on that gym. | ||
| And this is in the same place as where the Black Zillians was, the same area? | ||
| Same area, yeah. | ||
| So we had the Black Zillian gym, and then we went to a gym that was at this... | ||
| This like amusement park for kids. | ||
| It was like, it's called Extreme Action Park. | ||
| And that's where we had a section that we had there. | ||
| And then they also added this gym too. | ||
| So now they're going to have, they're going to keep that gym at Extreme Action Park, but also keep this one. | ||
| South Florida, man. | ||
| What a hotbed for martial arts, right? | ||
| It really is, man. | ||
| So much jujitsu down there. | ||
| Oh man, you can... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You got Cyborg right down the street, and Cyborg is amazing, and Mario Sperry not too far down. | ||
| What happened with Mario? | ||
| Because Mario was the head coach for a while of the Black Zillions, right? | ||
| And he was inspirational as fuck. | ||
| Oh, Mario was the best, man. | ||
| He would give those speeches, and I was like, ooh, I get goosebumps. | ||
| Yeah, Mario was the best. | ||
| I just think that him and... | ||
| Him and Glenn didn't work out when it came time to it and all the work and chemistry together, you know, because that was the hardest thing because, you know, having all those different coaches and trying to not only have them get along with the fighters, but then have them get along with each other and not try to fight for that, you know, who's the main coach and who's the main guy, you know, and that's... | ||
| You know, coaches sometimes have bigger egos than the fighters. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And sometimes it's more deadly because they they they're they're not accomplished. | ||
| And a lot of times they're they're coaching because they don't feel that accomplishment, you know, so that coaching becomes that thing that they they want to be validated for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know. | ||
| It's so hard to find that balance. | ||
| And the ones who find it, they're so cherished. | ||
| The guys like Mark Henry, the guys like Trevor Whitman, you know? | ||
| I mean, those... | ||
| Farah Sahabi, Duke Rufus, those coaches that are, like, legit coaches that everybody loves, man. | ||
| They're so cherished. | ||
| They are, man. | ||
| They're so valuable. | ||
| Because, also for a fighter, like, Trevor Whitman's holding pads for you. | ||
| Like, holy fuck, I'm training with Trevor motherfucking Whitman. | ||
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| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's something to that. | ||
| If you go to Montreal and you're in Ferasa Hobby's gym, you're like, holy shit, that is Ferasa Hobby talking to me. | ||
| Absolutely, man. | ||
| There's some power to that. | ||
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There's some power. | |
| And you start to believe it. | ||
| You start to believe anything they're saying. | ||
| If he tells you you're good, outstanding, excellent. | ||
| Ferasa, you're like, oh shit, Ferasa just said that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy, man, to see, like, where these, like, for us, I remember when he wasn't even a coach, he was just a fighter. | ||
| Like, when I first started going to Montreal, he wasn't the coach yet. | ||
| He was still fighting, yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He was still fighting. | ||
| He's such a good coach. | ||
| He is phenomenal. | ||
| But he's such a, He's a genius person. | ||
| When you talk to him, there's a perspective on things. | ||
| He's always recommending books and shit. | ||
| He's always recommending... | ||
| Listen to this guy. | ||
| He told me about a competitive shooter. | ||
| What is that guy's name? | ||
| Lammy? | ||
| The guy who wrote The Winning Mindset? | ||
| Lammy. | ||
| I wrote it down somewhere. | ||
| I have the book at home that I've been reading lately. | ||
| Where the fuck is it? | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| But anyway, point is he's always recommending me shit. | ||
| He's always got something interesting that he's been paying attention to that he can relate to MMA and to fighting. | ||
| He's very, very keenly aware of the mental battles that are going on and how much visualization is important in meditating. | ||
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Lamy Bassem. | |
| Lamy Bassem, yeah. | ||
| The guy was a competitive target shooter, and he spent more time practicing in his head than he did practicing. | ||
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Wow. | |
| More time visualizing. | ||
| That works. | ||
| That really does work. | ||
| It does something. | ||
| Because when I was hurt for the Rampage fight, like in training camp, I would visualize a lot. | ||
| How would you do it? | ||
| I would just sit there and I would just kind of like, I would go through moves in my mind and I would go through techniques and I would just kind of go over and over again to techniques in my mind. | ||
| I would also do scenarios where I fight in almost every single situation. | ||
| Like I find myself, you know, losing and then finding a way to come back after I've been rocked, you know, and just trying to find myself just mentally working through it, mentally working a lot through it. | ||
| Almost every single fight, like I'll go round by round. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I go round by round and I'll just like, okay, I'll set up the scenario. | ||
| Okay, I'll come out and I'll catch him with a punch. | ||
| And then I'm just imagining what happens after that. | ||
| And then I put myself in adversity every single time I can, as much as I can. | ||
| So then that way I find myself always, you know, I get myself out of adversity. | ||
| Sometimes I just find myself just smoking them. | ||
| But it's always these different mental games and me just doing something, executing and always just doing it right. | ||
| So it's almost like you were fighting without having to fight. | ||
| You were getting the experience of fighting in your head by just visualizing it. | ||
| Would you set a certain amount of time that you would do it? | ||
| No, I would just go with the flow. | ||
| I had my wrestling coach in college, Tom Minkle, he was always on... | ||
| I get nervous. | ||
| I get nervous. | ||
| I don't know what to do with the nervousness. | ||
| And he says, well, you're nervous because you're thinking too much about it. | ||
| He said, just think about executing. | ||
| Don't think about the outcome. | ||
| Just think about executing your technique. | ||
| And just only think about executing your technique and how it feels to... | ||
| Complete the perfect execution of the technique. | ||
| When you hit the pad and it hits that, and it sounds that, you know, they hear that pop, you know, how does that feel? | ||
| You know, become attached to how you feel when you execute something. | ||
| And then that's what you start to base your fight off of, you know, how you feel when you execute versus all the things that can happen if something goes wrong. | ||
| Yeah, it's really interesting to see the different strategies that people employ in order to, like, focus the mind. | ||
| You know, so many different fighters have different ways of doing it. | ||
| Some fighters like to meditate. | ||
| Some fighters like to shadowbox their way through scenarios. | ||
| Almost like they're thinking about how the fight's gonna go down while they're, like, slow motion doing things, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I would get in the mirror sometimes. | ||
| I'll yell in the mirror. | ||
| I'll, like, yell out the fear, like, come on! | ||
| I would get into it because a lot of times I would get so nervous that I would be like, oh my God, I just don't want to freeze out there. | ||
| I just don't want to freeze, you know? | ||
| So that's part of the reason why I started twisting my nipples. | ||
| I'd go out there and I'd twist my nipples before the fight, and that was just to kind of do something stupid and silly, but then it would allow me to just kind of relax, because I'm like, well, I'm not going to embarrass myself any worse than that. | ||
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| I remember always wanting to ask you about that. | ||
| Why do you guys do that? | ||
| I would just do it just like, you know, I'm not gonna embarrass myself worse than that. | ||
| Did George used to do that shit too? | ||
| George would do it, yeah. | ||
| George would do it because, you know, he... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think he didn't like the way his nipples look when he first came out the shirt. | ||
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I'm being honest. | |
| I think that's a funny thing to think about. | ||
| They look a little too puffy or something. | ||
| He didn't like the way they look. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Some people don't like puffy nipples, man. | ||
| Pull on them and yank on them and shit. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Nipples on guys are weird things anyway. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's really popular. | ||
| It looks even worse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, some dudes have like big areolas. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And they're real embarrassed. | ||
| They don't want to take their shirt off. | ||
| They don't want to take your shirt off with a big areola. | ||
| With a girl, it doesn't matter at all. | ||
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But a guy with a big areola is like, whoa, what's happening here, man? | |
| What's going on there? | ||
| The titties just hanging out like that? | ||
| Weird. | ||
| It's pornographic. | ||
| It's pornographic. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| For dudes, when they get fat, that's a bummer, man, when they develop man tits. | ||
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Oh, my gosh. | |
| I know. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| And when they don't care, they can slap you with them and stuff like that, too. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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That's terrible. | |
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| I'm just glad I didn't have nothing like that. | ||
| I did get big to have some booby weight, but not that dang big. | ||
| What do you do most of the time now? | ||
| What do you occupy your days with? | ||
| I know you're doing a lot of analyst work. | ||
| Yeah, so I still do the analyst work, but I also try to do as much as I can with Onyx, and I still do my training and things like that. | ||
| But I also work with CBS a little bit, doing analyst stuff for them. | ||
| But I'm still in that space, just trying to figure out that next thing, that That I align with, you know, and that's why I'm so excited to work with unlimited sciences, you know, and doing something I'm passionate about, because I'm passionate about psychedelics. | ||
| You know, that's what I really like, and I think that that can help people. | ||
| You know, now I'm to the point where I just want to help people. | ||
| You know, that's where I'm at in my life. | ||
| I feel as if, like, you know, I lived a lot of my life for myself at this point, you know, and I've accomplished some great things, but now I'm to the point where I just want to Be able to help other people achieve what they want to in life and just be a part of that. | ||
| That's what really resonates in me more than anything right now. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| I mean, it's real, man. | ||
| I know it's real. | ||
| That's why it's beautiful. | ||
| I'm glad we talked, man, because I had a feeling it was going to go like this. | ||
| Yeah, I'm too, man. | ||
| I had a good time, man. | ||
| It's definitely something, you know, I've watched you for a long time on your show and honestly speaking, you know, when I first started to, you know, awaken and wanted to understand a lot about these entheogens, you know, I would listen to Joe Rogan and I would listen to your podcast and just, you know, the amount of information you shared and, you know, the people, the guests that you had on, you know, you always have a great experience. | ||
| People who speak with some knowledge that I can't even comprehend sometimes. | ||
| And that's what it's about. | ||
| You feel like when I watch this show, it's such a good tool to learn. | ||
| And thank you for that. | ||
| My pleasure, brother. | ||
| Thank you for being here, man. | ||
| I really enjoyed it. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Oh, if people want to get a hold of you, social media, give us your social media, your Instagram, Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, you can check me out at Shigarashad Evans at Instagram. | ||
| And if anybody wants to be involved in that study, it's unlimitedsciences.org. | ||
| And, you know, they can go in and sign up and everything will be, you know, it's HIPAA. So that HIPAA protected so that no one's information would get out. | ||
| And, you know, after they send an email, the information would be destroyed. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So that's about it. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| I appreciate you being here, man. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Rashad Evans, ladies and gentlemen. |
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