Duncan Trussell joins Joe Rogan after a packed Australian live show, sparking debates on Charlie Sheen’s erratic behavior—possibly a government psyop—and corporate control over food via Monsanto patents. They explore Cornell’s "Planet X" theory, moon gravity’s influence on human mood, and isolation tanks as tools for self-reinvention, contrasting Trussell’s psychedelic growth with Rogan’s "guerrilla Buddhism." Trussell’s stand against unpaid exploitation in entertainment, like quitting Pauly Shore’s reality show, highlights systemic hypocrisy, while his upcoming Comedy’s Dead show at Hollywood Forever Cemetery features chaotic acts like K-Strauss. The episode blends conspiracy musings, science, and personal philosophy, revealing how deep friendships shape public discourse. [Automatically generated summary]
And we've even toned the lights down because Duncan's here.
Because I took a nap, I slept an hour in the plane, flew all the way from Australia, it's twelve and a half hours, slept an hour in the plane, took a nap for an hour, and then boom!
Talked to a lot of fucking people in Australia that listened to the podcast.
It was kind of a trip.
You know, because last year when I was there, I didn't have the podcast.
I didn't do it.
Or if I did do it, it was only like we'd done like a couple of them and nobody knew about it.
But now, you know, when we were in Rudy Hill and I mentioned the podcast and all these people cheered, I was like, wow, like how many of you fucking people?
And then I started thinking about it.
Has there ever been a medium like that where you can just put something online and someone on the other side of the continent can be a weekly listener of this thing?
And then we did another show on Sunday night after the UFC. Sunday night the UFC was over at 5 because the way it was set up so it could be live on pay-per-view in America on Saturday night, which is Sunday early afternoon in Australia.
It's got the perfect vibes, got all the shitty headshots on the wall, all the exact things that you want from a great club, good bar, great owners, people that love comedy.
Because on the way over to the airport, me and Ari were listening to the one when it was on the Alex Jones show, which, by the way, got him kicked off that show.
They canceled production of the show for the rest of the season because of that one interview.
I heard just recently he said he's not quitting or he's back on it or something like that.
Because I know there was a while they were going to have Amelia Estevez fill in, but then I thought I just said that I read on TMZ that now he's like, no, I'm not leaving the show or quitting the show.
Because what they were saying was that they were canceling production of the show for the season because of his erratic behavior and that he needs to seek help.
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He goes, I'm just tired of pretending that I'm not freaking winning at every corner, at every turn.
Hold on one second real quick while we get over this.
Because this is interesting.
He's gone as...
Interesting.
He's gone as far as to write a fake question and answer with Obama, where it looked like an interview with Obama.
When I first read it, I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?
And then it gets to the end, and then he tells you that it's fiction, and wouldn't it be amazing if he actually had the opportunity to sit down with President Obama and talk to him about this.
I'm thinking Charlie Sheen might be a government agent.
This whole thing might just be his way of being a patriot and really discrediting the 911 truther movement.
And what he's doing is he's just banging all these whores for America.
That's what I'm thinking.
And all the coke and all the whores and all the erratic behavior is really just to make the 911 truther movement look ridiculous.
Well, this 9-11 truther movement can really fuck up the foundation of this country.
Erode confidence in the base.
And so...
When Charlie Sheen goes out there on a deep end in Bahamas with a suitcase full of heroin with different color socks on, you know, I mean, Charlie Sheen is out there doing it.
But man, you gotta look at like, I think that if you look at how being an American celebrity carries with it this bizarre psychological danger, because a pretty large percentage of our celebrities go fucking insane.
I said this about Brett Butler back in 94. Let's see here.
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men's star took his guest and pull any punches here we go tired of pretending like I'm not special tired of pretending like I'm not bitching a total freaking rock star from Mars and people can't figure me out they can't process me I don't expect them to you can't process me with a normal brain the troubled actor also from 2 million to 3 million an episode You want a race?
Well, yeah.
Look what they put me through.
When it comes to any apologies from Sheen, he says CBS execs shouldn't hold their breath.
That sounds like someone having either a drug-induced manic episode Or just a manic episode because their brains fucked up from all the blow and they're starting to melt down.
Well, what's amazing about it is there's two things.
One, I wish he was a guy who was doing this that wasn't obviously insane.
It would be so cool if he was just really having fun.
But it's the way he's doing it that he doesn't realize how that's going to come off.
He's like, I'm trying to pretend I'm not special.
I'm trying to pretend I'm not delivering the frickin' goods.
I'm a rockstar from Mars.
You know, like, whoa, what are you talking about?
Because you're good at pretending?
Like, what the fuck are you saying?
Like, you should be weirded out by the fact that you have any success.
Anybody that's a performer that's not weirded out by the fact that, how the fuck did I get to do this for a living?
You know, you think you're special?
No one who does...
Stand-up or acting or music is truly special.
They're just people that may accomplish special things.
And the reason why they're doing this is because they're on a path and they get on it and then they get better and then they tune into it and they figure it out.
And that might be special, like achieving that level of proficiency with music or with comedy or with acting.
That is kind of special.
But the person that's doing it, it's just because he kept going.
You're not special.
The most talented person ever is not really a special person.
The acts that they may achieve for whatever reason, whether it's because they're missing some sort of a social thing.
Some people don't get nervous around other people.
They can open themselves up because of whatever weirdness that happened to them in their childhood.
Or some people just have this unbelievably exorbitant need for attention that expresses itself in this really powerful, dramatic performance style.
And this archetype shows up in religion, it shows up in culture, not to take it too deep, but it's the idea of God coming to earth and his followers eating him.
Dionysus, Jesus, it happens again and again.
This is a recurring thing, and that's what we do.
We get people really famous, we worship them, we call them idols, and then we fucking kill them.
Well, what they are, they do have right now, they have supplements that aid the function of the brain, you know, that help you, supposedly help you retain memories and help get blood flow to the brain.
I don't, you know, I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, there's studies that have been done on certain substances.
They've showed some sort of a cognitive advantage in using them.
Chris, Chris Marcus, the guy from The Fleshlight, him and I are putting together like a little pack.
We're going to try it out.
And what we're doing is like putting together a pack of all the best shit.
All the stuff that's supposed to be really good for your brain and put it in a pack so that you don't have to go buy 20 fucking bottles of things and sort it all out yourself.
Yeah, and then at one point in time, they were going to call them nutraceuticals and they were going to have them prescribed.
described, it was a big push that the pharmaceutical companies did, I think it was in the 90s, to try to take over the vitamin business.
When they saw that all these people were spending all this money on homeopathic cures and vitamins and stuff like that and health things, they said, well, hey, we'll just fucking lock that shit down too.
Like Monsanto was going to fucking put a patent on vitamin C and the only way you get vitamin C is from Monsanto.
I mean, that's not outside the realm of possibility with corporate America.
What they've done with food in this country, for folks that don't know, you've got to watch some of the documentaries that are available on Monsanto and see what they've done with What they've basically done is they've genetically modified food so that it doesn't have the same effect when you spray pesticides on it.
It doesn't get killed by the same bugs.
They have a bunch of different things that they've done to various plants.
But once they have this genetically modified seed, you owe them money.
This is how it works.
You can't just grow plants and then take the seeds from those plants and grow new plants.
You're not allowed to do that.
It's illegal.
You have to buy a new set of seeds from them.
And you own those seeds just for that season.
You buy them to use them.
It's like you lease them.
And then this is where you owe the money because their seeds go in the air, the cross-pollination.
And they fucking fly off and land in some other guy's field.
And he starts growing Monsanto genetically modified food.
And then they come in and they go, hey, you got our fucking corn growing, bitch.
You owe us money.
And they just take your money.
I mean, it becomes like a crazy legal battle with these poor fucking farmers.
You know, and with, you know, you could say that some of them might have stole the seeds.
That's possible.
But with a lot of them, it's been proven that it's just cross-pollination.
And so then it becomes a real trip because these people might be organic farmers, too.
They don't want this mutant freak fucking genetically modified food growing out of their soil.
Monsanto is trying to, they're trying to not just do that with food, but they're trying to do that with animal food.
They're trying to do that with pigs.
They're patenting pig parts.
They're genetically modifying pigs, and then they're going to patent those pig parts.
But the problem is there's all this debate about them doing that because they're saying, you're patenting things that have already existed for a million years.
That's absolutely ridiculous.
You can't do that.
You can't just patent.
Patent fucking parts of animals and shit.
Can you make an animal that you own?
Like you own the patent to it?
And then what if you want to commit genocide on the animal that you own?
But a patent is, you know, the thing about it is...
The most disturbing thing is the idea of some corporation just for profit meddling around with the DNA of things that haven't been meddled with for a very long time.
That's bizarre.
That's much more bizarre than the patent because the patent is just an imaginary thing anyway.
I must be naive right now because this shit going on in Egypt and Libya makes me think that The corporate bullshit like that is just such a pipe dream.
They will invoke things like that and there'll be a period of time where the belt gets too tight, but I just don't think it works.
Yeah, I don't know what's going on in Egypt and what's going on in Libya and what's going on in Iran, but I don't think anything really happens without the CIA being involved.
If there are people out there, if there's some conspiracy, no, because you've got fucking...
Right after everything went down in Egypt, they were showing pictures of Mubarak on mainstream press as though we were kind of a good guy.
I mean, it's so cool to watch mainstream news because it's like they have to spend a few days deciding what tone they're going to take with it.
And when the Egyptian revolution started, the United States government didn't come out and do much at all because they were waiting to see if they would be able to push them down, to hold them down.
You know, and then they kind of came out in favor of the people, but they had to.
But there's pictures of Obama meeting with him, many presidents meeting with him.
I mean, I'm such a fucking new age hippie sometimes, like, you know, with 2012 coming up and the acceleration of technology, what I like to think of this as is the beginning of people having the ability to organize themselves in a way that's never been possible in human history, mixing in with the ability to get information that you could never get.
So that motivates people to revolt against liars.
And that's what the Internet's doing, just showing who the fucking liars are out there.
I definitely think that the social media and using Facebook and Twitter to get messages out to where we're going to protest and where we're going to meet.
I mean, that's one of the first things they did in Egypt and one of the first things they did in Libya is cut off their supply to the Internet.
But, you know, I mean, don't think that the CIA isn't fucking super savvy about that kind of shit, too.
You know, I mean, because of course they are.
And I'm not saying that this isn't, you know, it's not possible that it's just a plain old-fashioned revolt.
I just think that the United States is so clever about, you know, The foreign policy and how they interfere with other countries, that they don't ever allow anything to really slip by.
When this guy got arrested in Pakistan for shooting down some people who tried to rob him, and then it turned out the guy was a CIA operative that was embedded into the system over there.
When you find out stuff like that, it's like, wow, how many of these guys are there?
How many?
I have a buddy, and I've talked about it before.
He doesn't like talking about it, but his dad was in the CIA. He didn't find out until he was fucking 30 years old.
And apparently they just fucking, they just started giving her like really shitty parts and not writing her in too much because she started getting an attitude.
They cut off the last four seasons, the last four episodes of the season.
They stopped filming.
That's going to cost Charlie $8 million.
And it's going to cost them a fuckload of money, too, because they've already sold the advertising for those.
They've already committed to selling them for syndication.
It's a syndicated show.
That's a big loss for them.
They're hoping that Charlie pulls it together, and then by the time it goes around next year, they can add four to next year and make up for what they owe.
Well, you can't have a successful show without someone being a star.
They become a star.
Whether they were a star at first, like Charlie was already, or whether they become one like Brett Butler or Chris Titus or anybody else.
When you get on a show, that's what happens.
You get a successful show and all of a sudden this one person, you really do fucking need that one person more than everyone else.
And that is a mindfuck.
That's a mindfuck, especially for actors, because for a giant chunk of their life, not necessarily with Charlie Sheen, he was pretty much instantly successful, but for most actors, it's a long series of failures and disappointments and rejections, and then finally you make it with something, and you have a fucking chip on your shoulder for all those people that caused you pain.
I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with famous dudes that we'll talk about still to this day, about horrible fucking casting sessions that they had, horrible...
You know, auditions where it went wrong and, you know, all the scuffling around and all the humiliating auditions that they had to go on.
You know, it's like fucking, you know, people, they get in there and they, you know, they become famous and they just want to get back at all those people that hurt them all that time.
It's like they needed all that exorbitant amount of attention.
They needed to be fucking special and everyone was saying, no, you're not.
No, you're not.
No, you're not.
No, you're normal.
No, you're not good enough.
No, fuck you.
And then finally you become famous and you're like, yes, I I am!
It's like this bounce back.
The other direction is so enormous because of how much is pushing them down in the beginning, you know, how they feel.
Well, you know, man, when you run into an actor or a comedian or anybody who seems proud of themselves, it's automatically so disappointing because it's like, oh, you think...
Yeah, but aren't you guys more skeptical when you see people like Brody Stevens, where the normal person will see Brody Stevens and go, well, that person is just fucking crazy and angry mad, but then you talk to him backstage and you're like, oh, I get it.
And he will go and do these interviews and talk about how much he loves her and how amazing it is.
And she completes him.
Then he leaves her for a flight attendant.
I mean, it's fucking great stuff.
If she was doing performance art, if she was faking it, you know, it would be absolutely brilliant.
But she's not.
There's no way she's that good an actress.
She would have been fucking Oscar-runner by now.
She wouldn't be some 40-year-old lady with a bunch of 20-year-old boyfriends and she flaunts on the show.
Before she was even divorced on the show, I can't believe I'm talking about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, but I get sucked in.
Before she was even divorced with them, she was hanging out with all these young guys that were her friends.
And that drives me fantastic.
We're fucking bananas.
I have friends that have girlfriends that have guy friends, and they'll go and pal around with these guy friends.
And I'm like, yo, dude, you need to fucking nip this shit right in the butt.
Your girlfriend is hot, and she's hanging around with a bunch of guys that she's been pals with since she moved here to Hollywood two years ago, whatever.
They want to fuck her, for sure.
She might want to be their friend.
She might think there's somehow or another to keep this platonic.
But any of those.
Weird, creepy situations where you got a girl with a bunch of guy friends.
Have you ever had a girl that was hot that you were friends with and you weren't somehow or another trying to think, how am I going to get to fuck her?
How am I going to get to move this into us having sex?
There's an error in the orbit of the moon that they believe is going to be...
They believe you can...
Listen to me, stubborn fucking shit brain from 12 hours in a fucking airplane.
I'm tired of pretending I'm not delivering the freaking goods at every turn.
What they're saying is there's something wrong with the orbit of the moon that can be attributed to a large extra solar system planet.
They're thinking there's something out there that's It's much, much bigger than Jupiter, about four times the size of Jupiter.
And this is just one of several things that I've been following over the last couple of months where there's a bunch of different studies that are talking about this Planet X thing.
But apparently, they're really close to saying that there is something beyond Neptune, beyond, you know, Pluto's not real anymore, but something out there, like way out there, that's four times the size of Jupiter.
They're thinking that this thing is, by calling it inside our solar system, I think what they're saying is that it's further away from Pluto than Pluto is from us, but yet it's still in some sort of an orbit.
I mean, you know, if you talk to the people that believe that, you know, Earth was created this way, and, you know, it's actually detailed, according to Zacharias Hitchin in the Sumerian text, what they think is that somehow or another this extrasolar planet or this planet is on an elliptical orbit, rather.
And it takes 3,600 years to come into line with Earth.
And it comes near us and fucks everything up.
And then the Anunnaki jump off and they leap off their boat onto our boat and go, hey, what's going on over here?
And then they come check us out and make us slaves for a little bit, make us mine for gold and erase our memories and fly back into space.
I mean, I don't know what the fuck they exactly think, but...
You know, when you look at, you know, the really interesting shit about what they figured out was that they already knew back then, according to Zachariah Sitchin, that Earth had been hit by a large planet.
And that's what created the moon.
We didn't know that until, like, fairly recently.
That's, like, one of the most recent theories.
There's Earth 1 and Earth 2. And Earth 1 was hit by something like the size of fucking Mars, some enormous planet.
And it also created the asteroid belt.
That's another theory about that.
There's a giant...
This is another thing I read.
I need to find out if this is true or not.
But that Bode's Law is a law that you look at the gravity of one planet and you can extrapolate where the next planet will be based on how dense the planet is and what the gravity of it is and what the mass of it is.
And it works on every planet in our solar system except for Mars and Jupiter.
There should be a planet in between there.
And that's where the asteroid belt is.
So the idea is that, you know, something was there, collided.
I mean, look, there's a bunch of theories about why the asteroid belt exists, you know, and one of them being that it's like some of the fabric of the very solar system.
That it's just like, you know, from the forming of the solar system, this is like, you know, some just leftover shit that's there.
Well, you know, the idea on planets that, you know, like rogue planets, I guess they get sucked in.
They come from somewhere else and they get sucked into our solar system and get sucked into our gravity or any other solar system's gravity.
And there's an interesting thing about this Pluto, this planet that's outside of Pluto, is that they're saying the gravity of this thing, one of the reasons why they figured out that there's something huge out there, the gravity of this thing is hurling comets in our direction.
But now you can grab things and it knows how the distance up and down is.
And you can do like 3D kind of just like the future when you see in the movies where they're like pulling up displays and tapping things and stuff like that.
And they have this really cool video.
The name of the video is called Applied Sciences Group Smart Interactive Displays Microsoft.
Yeah, no, I think there are, I've heard, I don't know, I never really investigated them, but I always thought that was true.
If they can figure out that there's a planet deep, deep somewhere in our galaxy that they don't know about just from the effect that it has on the moon's gravitational field, then that means it must be having an effect on us, too.
Like, if it's literally like some planet far away is so powerful that it's altering the moon a little bit, then that same minor pull would be affecting us, too.
Yeah, this one site is saying, despite the fact that no evidence of a significant correlation between phases of the moon, the menstrual cycle, and fertility exists, some people not only maintain that there is, but have a scientific explanation for the non-existent correlation.
It could be that just people want to believe it.
Or it could be just like people would go nutty because back in the day it was like bright outside at night.
Whereas before you had to watch where the fuck you walked and it was super dark out.
You know, like a couple of times a year or a couple of times a month rather, you know, for a few days you get a giant spotlight in the sky.
But if the moon affects the tides, it's powerful enough to make tides come in and tides go out, I could totally see how it would affect whatever weird oceans in your brain, whatever quantum oceans floating around up there.
So if you're in pain, if you feel like shit, in whatever way you feel like shit, for whatever reason, you're probably treating the people around you like shit.
You know the opposite of it?
Take ecstasy and sit next to the stupidest person on the planet.
I think it's whenever you get around that kind of energy coming from someone or for whatever reason when you run into someone really smart, you get the sense that they've managed to turn the judgment thing off on their computer and they just like you just because you're having this bizarre experience on the planet with them and they kind of get it.
I used to, at one point in my life, when someone would be judging me, and I would know they would be judging me, I would feel insecure, I would get upset, I would get like, wow, you know, like, man, maybe I'm a loser.
But if I felt like I was being unfairly scrutinized, I would just think it was, I'm just obviously, I'm a loser, I'm losing at this, whatever this is right now, and this person doesn't like me.
Now, I have a completely different effect.
Now, when I feel like someone's judging me or someone's being hypercritical or shitty to me, I'm like, why are you being a cunt?
Because I'm nice.
I try to be nice to everybody.
There's no reason why this has to be a douchey conversation.
If it's douchey, you're the one who's starting the douchiness.
And I think for a lot of people, man, that's one of the biggest things they worry about in life is getting judged and criticized and shit on.
It was, um, they made a really good point because, um, Happiness and sadness are two sides of the same thing that if you pay too much attention to them, you'll begin to get caught up in chaos and randomness.
In the Bhagavad Gita, there's this great verse that says,"...a wise man is not disturbed." By either happiness or sadness.
Your mind does not shift according to your mood states.
You're not plugging into the chemicals that are making you feel stressed out or making you feel happy.
You're above it.
You're transcendent.
You've transcended it.
And that's what I think happiness would be.
As opposed to the other kind of happiness, which you were saying, isn't that bad?
which is the ecstasy happiness or the kind of like happiness that comes when Charlie Sheen does a line of blow or the kind of hat that kind of happiness induces them allegedly allegedly I don't think he's really on cocaine at all I don't think it's on any drugs except Charlie Sheen which is apparently the name of some new kind of meth it's probably just a new method they invented we'll call this Sheen but I I think that
So that's my idea of happiness, is not to get caught up in the mood states.
Because you're going to feel like shit on this planet.
You have to feel like, you will feel like shit.
You know why?
Because everyone you know is going to die.
And if they don't, it's because you died before them.
I think a lot of people think that your everyday life has to be filled with shit.
That's part of being a human.
You're saying that happiness is somehow or another transcending above emotions.
I don't think it is.
I think my personal happiness has been fun.
It's been laughter, having a good time, hanging out with friends, laughing with friends, laughing, doing shows, laughing on stage.
That's real happiness.
So is happiness possible?
Yeah.
But you've got to be around a bunch of other people that also commit to the same ideas.
You have to be around a bunch of other really fun, happy people.
It's very difficult to go in on your own.
The only way you can is if somehow or another you attract people as you're going in on your own and you're committed to a life of happiness that also kind of like catch into your vibe and then pick up what you're doing and do the same thing.
And then you gravitate more people.
But you can do it.
And I don't think it has to be that you have to be above happiness and...
It's like my concept of guerrilla Buddhism.
I told you this before.
People always say that to be truly happy, you cannot be attached to objects and you should transcend objects and material possessions.
I say, horseshit.
I say, material possessions are fucking awesome.
Some cars are badass.
It's cool to drive.
TVs are awesome to own.
Stereos are great to listen to.
It's cool to eat a good meal.
It's nice to live in a house that's cool to look at.
These are They're all good things.
The problem is, for most people, you become so attached to them because they're so difficult to attain.
So the true way of enlightenment isn't to just be without any possessions.
The true way is to get to a point where you don't worry about the possessions, but you appreciate them when they're there.
It's not that you become completely attached to them.
But the only way to really do that, I think, is to make enough money so that it's not that big a deal.
If someone steals your car, you can just get another car.
The thing people like is the way the possession makes them feel.
The feeling state that is induced from the thing.
People like feeling in love and people begin to associate I think that there's a place...
Maybe it's legendary and I shouldn't even believe in it, but a lot of the saints and a lot of gurus and a lot of people who seem very advanced seem to point to a place that is not dependent on being triggered by things in the material universe.
In other words, the feeling that you get from amazing stuff is a pre-existing feeling inside of you.
You already have that inside of you and you're letting stuff be the excuse to feel that way.
Whereas the idea is you can pop into a state where you're always experiencing that type of excitement and pleasure that you've limited to, if I get a great job, if I get a nice house, if I book some other thing again, or if I get a brand new car, if I get the new Mac.
People want to put off meditating or experimenting with different forms of spirituality until they're good, until they feel like they're perfect.
They want to approach, they're like, you know, I'm going to be happy soon, but let me get rid of this other shit first.
I've got to take care of this stuff.
That's not it.
The idea is you approach understanding yourself and the universe and your connection to the universe not from a place where you think you're going to be, but from where you are right now is some filthy, filthy thing.
No matter what, if you haven't really meditated a lot, the chances are you're absorbed in some...
If you're on Earth, you're absorbed in some really stupid, crazy shit.
And if you wait till you're better balanced to start meditating, you're not.
You're never going to get into just from exactly where you're at as a fucking sex crazed beast or an alcoholic or with seven heroin needles falling out of your arm.
Approach it from that place.
And that's where you start getting really cool results, man.
It's like, well, I'm going to start exercising soon.
I'm going to quit smoking soon.
I'm going to do this soon.
Just start doing it.
It's the same thing as everything else.
You have to somehow or another trigger that action in your brain to force your body to move in the direction of whatever the fuck it is you need to do.
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Hopefully we can hack our brains in the future where we know exactly what to do to motivate them.
Do you think that if there was a place where you could go where you could go and just lie down in a machine and the body would be forced to do all this work without you ever having to exert effort mentally, you would be down with that?
Anybody can go down on your, you know, put your ass to the back of your ankles and then stand back up again.
It's not hard.
Very few people can do 500. And it's one of those things where when you start doing it, you get into it, you do like 25 and then you're like, holy shit, 26, 27, the lactic burn.
You know, the muscle burn in your legs.
It starts getting pretty intense.
But it's not a difficult thing to do.
It's not difficult to just stand up.
So in your mind, it's very hard to accept that when should I stop?
Should I stop now?
I can't do another one.
You can't stand up?
You really can't stand up one more time just with your own body weight?
So you have to like figure out how to order your brain to work for you and push through it.
And sometimes for like a couple of minutes you'll be in agony taking big deep breaths and then push out another one and go down and big deep breaths.
When do you want to quit?
Well you want to quit at like 25 or 26 when it starts getting a little bit difficult.
Your body's going, I'm sending you these signals, this shit is not fun, let's cut it off.
And then you have to figure out a way to manage that and balance that.
And once you do, once you do have the ability to push yourself through brutal workouts, push yourself through like jiu-jitsu class and kickboxing class and stuff like that, when you develop a character, you develop something, you develop a control over your body that the average person doesn't have.
When I was in Hawaii, stoned out of my mind from drinking pot tincture, we went snorkeling.
And there was our group snorkeling.
And then I realized there was a guy with a snorkel who wasn't in our group.
And there's no boat anywhere to be seen.
And, like, land is far the fuck away.
And this guy's swimming around and, like, we're all snorkeling.
He goes under.
And I'm watching him go...
Way, way, way, way, way down.
And he's staying down there.
And he knows we're watching him.
And he's staying down there for an impossibly long time.
And I'm like, it went from eating like, wow, that guy's great to like, my heart started beating because I was like, oh, fuck, I think this guy's drowning.
Like, I think this guy's going to die.
He turns over on his back.
Right?
And his arms go out loose and limp.
And his body starts floating up to the surface.
And then he just smiles and waves at us.
He was faking drowning.
Because he could just hold his breath so fucking long.
And I guess one of the things he liked to do in Hawaii was to snorkel out to the groups and make them think that he had drowned.
The only way you can do 500 bodyweight squats is you've got to start off with 25 and work your way up to 500. I think they just developed the ability to hold their breath.
I know Egan Inoue, who is an MMA fighter.
Him and his brother Ensign are pretty famous pioneers and his brother Egan is famous for being a freediver.
I think he won some sort of crazy title.
I think at one point in time he held his breath longer than anybody else.
Dude, I told you about my friend Eric, Eric Crisp, the guy who went to, he makes pool cues, makes these badass pool cues.
He's in the military, and he had tried out for the SEALs, and one of the things they make you do, I believe it was the SEALs, it might have been one of the special forces, one of the other groups like that, they make you drown.
Like, you literally go underwater until bubbles come up, and then your team has to rescue you.
So you have to trust in them to bring you back to life.
Like, you go unconscious, you drown, they pull you out before your body's totally dead, they pump the water out of you, they give you CPR, and then they bring you back to life.
Well, this is a journal that Duncan got the boot from his missus back in the day and lived with me for a few months.
Best roommate ever, by the way.
The only one that's ever cleaned.
I've had a couple guys live with me.
The only one that ever, like, actually kept his room clean is Duncan.
Tate lived with me for a few months and was like a goddamn tornado in there.
Tate's a fucking savage.
Tate might as well, I just might as well just cut a hole in the side of the hill and Tate would have lived in there just the same.
Tate's crazy.
But anyway, Duncan wrote this journal about his feelings and the relationship.
And the reason why I brought this up, the reason why my mind even went to it in the first place, is because a lot of people are scared of the isolation tank for the same reason they're scared of death.
You've been living this certain way long enough to get used to it, and then all of a sudden, everything absolutely changes.
Like, just a huge turn that...
You probably thought could happen, but you're, you know, trying to imagine that it wasn't even a possibility and it happens.
Well, that, yeah, that's like, you go into shock, you're attached to a certain rhythm, a certain pattern, a certain set of surroundings.
That massively changes you.
You go into shock, and that is the perfect time to get in a fucking flotation tank when everything's discombobulated and floating around inside of you and all the weird assemblage of emotions and More than anything, though, what's cool about that shit is you get a real taste of truth.
Like that's what truth is right there.
That's like the experience of truth, which is change, which is dramatic, radical change.
Well, look, anyone can improve their surroundings.
You can improve your situation.
But it was really interesting for me watching you because it was such an unusual opportunity for both of us.
It was an unusual opportunity for me to watch someone who didn't have a lot of experience with a tank, but who was such a curious person and psychedelically experienced like you, and then have access to this thing on a daily basis.
And for me to watch you go from this really low point to really gaining ground, you came out of it stronger.
It was so fucking cool climbing out of that thing in that state of being, in the state of having had...
Because psychedelics are not limited to drugs.
There are many ways to induce a psychedelic state of mind, the tank being one of them.
Another way to induce a psychedelic state of mind is to have dramatic change happen in your life that rips back whatever delusion you are living by and shows you the true universe.
Yeah, the term psychedelic to a lot of people means like seeing things that aren't there, hallucinations.
Dancing mice, you know, shit like that.
Pink elephants flying through the sky.
That's not a real psychedelic state.
The real psychedelic state is the dissolution of cultural conformity and your ideas of the universe, all your predetermined patterns of thinking, all your...
Your adopted behavior patterns, all that gets stripped away and you're left with the core of you and your decisions and what you can and can't change and how you led yourself into a position where you were so weak in the first place that you needed saving from.
Why did you have no foundation?
Why did you fall apart?
What is it about life and about trying to get by in this world that leaves us so fucking vulnerable sometimes and so in need of other human beings to stack us up and to hold us up?
And watching you, man...
It was really fucking cool.
It was really cool because you really used it, man.
You got in there all the time, you know, and you were getting out and talking about it, and it was a fucking trip.
I don't know if you wrote about it in the thing, because I didn't read it.
Let me just say, I think the reason the word resigned popped out of your mouth first is because I think there is a certain level of being, and it sounds like it's like I'm giving up, but resigned can also be like a kind of surrender, where you're like, I'm just no longer going to spend time, whether on stage or off stage, Yes.
Yes.
Which is not a perfect place for most people.
Most of us are, you know, have fucked up things that we do.
And why wouldn't you?
I mean, you're going to look at where you're at.
Like you say, we're in a fucking ball flying through fucking space.
How are you supposed to adapt to this in some brilliant way right off the bat?
They have all kinds of weird situations where the relationship, they're stuck somehow or another, whether it's because of a mortgage or because of a business that they started together.
It has like a melted brain and you've got to take care of like a little like sick kid for 12 years or like there's so many different ways that your particular DNA can get rivuleted down into a shitty trap where you're just like there it's like that's why I like that movie you said you didn't want to see it and I'm sorry if you've seen it didn't like it but what was that 127 hours did you see that?
No, I know what you're saying for the wrong reason.
I know what you're saying.
Look, you're saying what a lot of single people with no children say.
And what you're saying is, you know, we were talking about our friend who tweeted something about having a child is like the exact opposite of winning the lottery.
You know one thing that I would try to do when I used to work out and when I first started working out?
I would try to lift weight that was so much more heavy than what I should have been lifting out of this sense of like, I could lift heavy weights!
And so now I'm trying to lift way too...
I should be at the fucking pink weights.
And I'm like trying to do, you know what I mean?
I'm trying to do like really fucking heavy weights because it's like, this is how I see myself down the line after I've been lifting pink weights for a while.
That's how you get to the heavy weights.
But if you start off right away trying to pump those fucking heavy weights, then it's disaster.
You're going to pull your fucking muscles.
Like people, you know, like dudes who lifted weights.
One guy I think came up to me, he's like, looking at me like, what are you doing?
He's like, that's way too much weight.
And so this is like having a kid when you're 16. Having a kid when you're 16 or deciding that you're a famous comedian before you are.
Getting on stage after a couple of months and getting in your fucking head that you've been doing stand-up for 15 years or being a fucking painter and just immediately thinking you're a great painter.
Because I've had friends who've gotten into painting, right?
And they've only painted for a year.
And they show me some of their paintings.
And the look on their face is like, I'm supposed to react to it like I'm seeing a Picasso or something.
Because you're forced suddenly, not just to evaluate how miserable an artist they are, how cliche and shitty their music is, but also you realize that the fact that they felt comfortable playing this for you means they think it's good.
So they're so deluded and so fucked up, they're like, oh yeah, they've been waiting all day to play their music.
You get really attached to a script or a piece of music or a joke.
I mean, how many times have you had a friend who's just starting out and they have a bit and you want to tell them, like, hey man, you need to drop that bit.
If someone's been doing stand-up for less than a year, I don't even critique their material because I know they're going to grow out of it and it's going to change.
You can't go on stage balls out like that with nothing in your head.
You have to have some material first.
The only way you can do that is if you're Joey Diaz or if you're doing it a long time.
I'll go on stage sometimes and I'll fuck around and I don't know what I'm going to...
I came up with that bit about the birds.
There's birds that are falling from the sky and everyone's like, oh, it's a fucking apocalypse, man.
Look, the birds...
One thing that you don't consider is that birds are cunts, okay?
First of all, who cares about birds falling from the fucking sky?
Birds don't give a shit about you.
They're surviving dinosaurs.
And second of all, why do we think that it's apocalypse?
Maybe it's some one badass worm becomes a sorcerer and just decides to get back all these cunty birds that have been fucking with his family for generations.
You know, he's wearing a wizard's robe and he's just...
How cool is it when you start killing and you're improvising and you're in that bizarre wave where suddenly you're not doing any jokes and then...
Sometimes I've improvised and done well and then tried to go back into a joke, and it doesn't do as well because they were so used to that stuff that was coming in the moment.
Yeah, but I didn't, I mean, the first time I thought of that bit, I was seriously waiting for the comic in front of me to get off stage, and I'm just thinking, like, I've got to do something about my animals, because I feel like I'm a single mom right now.
And so I went on stage and said, hey, you know, I feel like a single mom.
What's the idea that you command the attention of the crowd, your voice is amplified, there's a light spot put on you, and you are supposedly so entertaining and interesting that all you have to do is talk, and you're going to grab the attention of all these people in this room.
You're requesting this exorbitant amount of attention, and it's because you claim to have this skill, and this skill is you're going to elicit laughter, you're going to extract laughter from the audience.
What's really weird lately, I have been noticing, there's this whole breed of comic, open mic mostly, that does their whole act, but not once did you think, no, there's a joke there.
Meaning they're just talking, and they're forgetting that this is supposed to be funny almost.
They're almost saying a story, and when they're done with the story, they expect you to clap, but then you...
Nothing in it was even a joke.
Where it's like, is that their sense of humor is that bad?
I don't think you can get better if you're not good at all.
I think, you know, there are some guys that get into comedy that truly don't understand what comedy is, and they see other people doing it and talking it, but they're so socially unaware that they don't know how they come off to other people.
And they probably don't have the tools, the psychological tools, the cognitive tools to really objectively assess their own personality.
So they're never going to be able to do it.
They literally are never going to be.
You have to have a certain amount of awareness.
In order to do stand-up.
And there's a lot of people that attempt it that just don't have that.
They don't have it.
And if you don't have it, man, something has to happen dramatic.
And in religion, there's this idea of tithing, where you're supposed to get 10% of your income to the church.
So, dude, I've started thinking about that.
And I've started thinking, like, how fucking interesting would your life get if you decided to give 10% of your income, not to the church, but you decided to, like, give 10% of your income to do, like, really cool things for people randomly.
I definitely think that putting energy in towards any sort of charitable notion, anything where you're helping people, it definitely is the right kind of energy to put out there in the world.
It definitely can induce a different state of mind, a different state of being.
I mean, how many of these fucking organizations keep getting busted?
Charitable organizations when you find out, like, the Wyclef Jean thing for Haiti.
And, you know, you find out they're all stealing money.
Yeah.
It's like, it's always, something like that is always going down.
Doing random cool things for people, it does, it gives you like, it definitely gives you some sort of a weird charge.
You know, when I gave away my isolation tank online, that was one of the coolest things that I ever did because I, I mean, it's a fucking $8,000 piece of equipment.
And some dude I don't even know.
And then bought salt.
Salt was like $1,200.
And then had it moved to his house.
You know, I had to pay for a moving company.
And then I had to pay for an installer to go install it in his house.
He's trying to invent some new screen where you can watch.
It's the lowest amount of light is coming through these LCD screens so you can watch documentaries inside the tank and you can learn from it somehow or another.
What he thought was that when you do a psychedelic, what you're doing is you're taking part in the experience of everyone else who's also done that psychedelic.
That's why he described ketamine as such an odd psychedelic, because it seems like its database of users was very, very small.
So he said ketamine felt like an office building that was empty.
You'd go in there and it's just empty cubicles.
Like, where is everybody?
Whereas mushrooms, you're dealing with 10,000 years of obsessive daily use by millions of people all over the world.
And a lot of those being the Mayans.
I mean, the Mayans were heavily, heavily into mushrooms.
You know, when I was...
When I was in Chichen Itza and I went on a tour, the guy that took me on a guide was a really, really interesting guy.
He was a local university professor who also did guides, like did tours and shit like that.
It was just really deep into the history of it.
And he just openly talked about the psychedelics, like how they would take psychedelics.
And they had all different rooms that they would practice different rituals in.
And it's well known that there was a deep, deep history in Mexico of psychedelic mushroom use.
So it's not surprising that when you do mushrooms, and especially if you do mushrooms that you buy in California, you know, I mean, you're probably getting the same strains that the Mayans got.
I mean, you're probably getting those Mexican mushrooms.
And you see all sorts of weird Mayan symbols.
It's almost like what you're doing is you're somehow or another tapping into their, the past people's psychedelic experiences.
It's just as ridiculous that mushrooms are illegal as Monsanto trying to patent a pig.
It's just as ridiculous.
How the fuck is one person going to tell you that some spore, a fucking plant, a living organism, by the way, which is actually closer to a human than plants are to humans.
It's not just that someone feels okay enforcing the law.
If you eat those fucking things that make you see some kind of weird transcendental language that the Mayans were trying to copy down, that's what I think.
I think they were seeing a language and they're like, alright, this is the best way we can replicate this weird language that we were seeing.
But to think that something that produces that effect...
There are people right now in federal fucking penitentiaries right now laying in a cot in a federal penitentiary listening to fucking white Aryan resistance murderers jerking off just because you wanted to fucking see the mothership for a second.
You're three doors down from a guy who fisted a six-year-old.
Well, actually, you know, nonviolent drug offenders don't get locked up in the same place as people that fist six-year-olds.
But I know what you're saying.
Oh, really?
Just the fact that they're in a cage at all.
I mean, maybe you do once you get in there and they, you know, one of the fucking Hispanic guys wants to fight with you and you stab them in the neck and, you know, you wind up getting a murder rap on top of it.
Well, I definitely think that people should be penalized for putting other people in danger because they're drunk and irresponsible.
But when it comes to things like mushrooms, when it comes to psychedelic experiences and the idea that you can make any sort of plant that grows here or fungus that grows here naturally, it's a part of the ecosystem already, way before we invented it.
This is fucking completely ridiculous.
Especially when you look at all the stuff that is legal and all the stuff that can kill you and all the stuff that you could buy at any store.
It's completely silly.
There's no logic behind it.
It's not like this is a rational decision.
You're obviously deciding what I can and can't do.
You're deciding what kind of experiences I have.
And there's no science behind it.
This is not 1950. You can't pull some McCarthyism bullshit on me.
I can get online and I can say, well look, no one's died from psilocybin.
How come psilocybin's illegal?
Well look, Here I can show you a thousand different people that'll tell you that they've got over post-traumatic stress disorder, they've gotten over addictions, they've gotten over all these things because of psychedelic experiences.
And you're telling me that it's illegal.
You're telling me that it's bad.
Why is it bad?
Here's the deal with anything.
Whenever there's something that people can benefit from and people have all these stories about and there's an area to explore and someone's keeping you from doing that and trying to lock you in jail if you do do that, they're the fucking criminals.
Hey, we talked to Steve-O today, and he's completely sober now.
He stopped smoking cigarettes, stopped drinking.
He said he was doing so much drugs the last couple years of his life, there was people walking around his house that didn't exist.
That's how bad it got.
But now he just quit everything and now is vegan.
Isn't that crazy to you to think that somebody that gets in a toilet with shit is so concerned about his health that he's eating vegan and not on anything?
The third round was a pretty decisive victory for Fitch.
Some people thought that was a 10-8 round.
You know, I'm not really...
It depends on how you use 10-8 rounds.
Because the 10-8 round, the system that they use now, I think it's like they don't give out enough 10-8 rounds.
But you have to decide when is it a 10-8 round.
When you're inside a guy's guard and you just punch him to the body and to the head, I'm not sure if that's a 10-8 round.
I could see it argued.
But those were very close, too.
I could see it argued.
Fitch did, too.
Fitch won one of them.
Because, you know, BJ got his back.
BJ took him down.
BJ got his back.
But then he lost position and Fitch got on top of him.
So the question is, what's worth more?
Is it worth more to take a guy down and to get a dominant position where you're close to finishing a fight but then losing it and getting reversed and wind up being your guard with the guy on top of you throwing punches?
Is that better or is it better to take the guy's back?
What's worth more on points?
Well, that's a subjective thing, so it's tricky.
I could see the first two rounds score for BJ, and I could see someone scoring one of them for Fitch, and I could also see the third round being 10-8.
I mean, BJ's a bad motherfucker, but he's small for that weight class.
When he's fighting, he's weighing 166 with his pants on, and he's fighting Fitch.
But this is the thing about Fitch, the reason why I brought this up.
He was, at one point in time, like 200 pounds, and he would cut down to 170. But now he's all organic and vegan, and he's wearing around 180, which is really light for him, and then dropping a little weight.
But his cardio is way better now, too.
I've entertained trying a serious vegan diet for a while.
But I heard Travis Barker, after he crashed in that plane and he had to get skin grafts and shit like that, they didn't take until he started eating meat.
And he stopped being a vegan in his recovery from that.
He was a vegan before that, and then when he started eating red meat, then all of a sudden his healing went through the roof.
Don't you think, though, that that docile behavior has been engineered through years of breeding for them to be, you know, farm animals, for them to be used, to be killed?
It's an unnatural thing for people to just walk right up to an animal and be able to pet it.
People are creepy fucks, you know?
I mean, you have to engineer an animal to be that docile.
I would love to have my own farm someday and just have animals that, you know, you know what they're feeding, you know what you're feeding them rather.
Dude, I think about my dream idea of that, which is like this crazy place out in the woods with solar panels where the majority of your electricity or all of it is coming from the sun and you're feeding yourself from this place.
Yeah, it's feasible, but it's so much work to run a farm.
It's insane.
It's not like either you have people working for you and doing it, or if you're involved in it, you just work all day and sleep, and you wake up and work all day and sleep.
Yeah, but you can be self-sustaining, which is very rewarding for a lot of people.
The idea that you grow all your own food, you grow all your own vegetables, and you grow all your own animals as well.
But yeah, you can hire a few people to run.
I mean, if you just wanted a farm only for your family's sustenance, that's kind of an interesting theory, an interesting sort of concept.
Set up a farm where all the vegetables that you grow are vegetables that you eat, and then I guess, you know, in the wintertime you can them or something or you have a greenhouse or something.
Well, even, I mean, have you noticed even, I don't know on your laptop, but I know on this one, like fucking YouTube or YouTube videos or any kind of HD video still is struggling.
Even though this is a pretty fast laptop, it still struggles.
As I understand it, is the idea that if you take two particles and put them together and then move them apart, they still are somehow connected, and you can transfer information down that line.
My connection is just this rudimentary thing where I think of like two round things that have what appear to be a really long hair attaching them or something.
Like the idea that things just kind of like...
Have some invisible or tiny relationship that just stretches apart.
But the reason I say that's voodoo or witchcraft is because it's like Rosemary's baby.
Remember the guy called and he was missing his glove?
Like one of the things witches are always trying to do is...
And if quantum entanglement's true, then that would mean that there's some connection between you and the thing that came from you that they could start shooting bad energy down that line.
Well, have you ever heard the idea that alchemy was a code for a secret society that was trying to teach people to become enlightened through science?
Really?
Yeah, lead into gold.
The idea of the transmutation of lead into gold.
Even though it was a focus of alchemy, there was a deeper level, which was the idea that they're talking about the transformation of the human consciousness from going to...
A useless, empty, robotic state to a fully realized state.
And once you go to that state, you don't care if something's gold.
The material universe doesn't mean anything anymore.
Do you remember when you worked at the Comedy Store and I used to call you up and we'd have long ass fucking crazy conversations while you were working there?
Well, I used to know Duncan from Duncan hanging out there and then Duncan started working for the store and I would call up and Duncan and I would have long fucking bizarre conversations that would last for hours while you were working.
Well, man, what started happening is like, it seemed like, you know, he was talking about trying to make a show happen.
And then the show started happening for real and all of a sudden I couldn't sleep at night and I was grinding my teeth because of the idea of having to be on this reality show.
And I would wake up and my teeth would be grinding and I'd be like, oh, and this fucking feeling in the pit of my stomach like, oh no, this is it?
This is how you're going to...
Because I didn't know at the time I was like, fuck, what if the show takes off?
What if you're the fucking guy who works with Polly at the comedy store?
You're not a comedian.
You're just a guy behind a desk answering the phone from Mitzi.
Yeah, well, you know, man, I've got a really weird hang-up when it comes to performance, which is that I think that people, if they're performing for something that's making money, deserve to get paid for it.
And so when I do our comedy show at the cemetery...
We pay our comedians, we pay everyone who performs.
And if I'm shooting something, even if it's something that I'm not getting paid for.
If someone comes and is in a sketch I come up with, I pay them.
I give them money because they drove out there and gave me their time and they fucking deserve it.
I believe that you should be compensated for art.
I think that it's one of the highest things ever.
Another thing that was a little off-putting about that show is that I was clearly going to...
It wasn't just like they were going to film me at my desk doing my job.
It was like they wanted to create a heightened reality.
what i mean which they wanted you to fake shit and yeah and follow a script and so i brought it was a bad script and so i said you know well what what it i mean for one i was i was even then i was in a after i was in an actor's union it's like so wait a minute you're not gonna pay me for acting You have to.
I know that you're making money.
Anyone who's acting and spending their time involved in this thing should be getting paid.
Does that surprise you, given the toxic environment that we were talking about where you knew about comics opening for him and not getting paid and all sorts of other shit?
See, and that's the problem about that attitude, which is in so many different aspects of society, which is where the artist is given the impression that they are lucky to be doing their art in a certain place.
It's like, I don't care what the fucking place is.
If it's a place that's making money and generating money off the artist, the artist is at the top of the fucking pyramid.
That's just logic.
If there's a fucking guy who makes beautiful cabinets, the most beautiful cabinets in the world, that guy is not going to be like, man, I am so lucky to be in this workshop where they let me make these cabinets.
Here's another interesting topic that I wanted to bring up to you.
And we'll just end on this because we've been going on forever.
There's a lot of podcasts that are doing podcasts now in front of live audiences.
And it's a way of generating revenue for the podcast.
But they're not paying the people that are guests on the podcast.
And one invited me, and I'm not going to name any names, but invited me to go and be on one of their podcasts in front of a live audience.
And I said, no.
No one's getting paid.
Someone's going to drive an hour away.
And I've done this before, by the way, because it's kind of a...
You know, it's an opportunity to go and be on something and, you know, have some fun and, you know, and network with all these other people that are doing these things.
But at a certain point in time, you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
How much do you charge?
It costs 20 bucks to get in or 30 bucks to get in and you've got 500 people in here.
What's going on here?
Is this a comedy show?
Because if it's a comedy show, then it makes sense that, you know, you're the headliner, but you have to pay the opening act.
You know, with the bandwidth, though, that podcasts have been racking up on some people, like, what was Adam Carolla saying that he was paying up to $5,000 a month?
Dude, I have fucking still ongoing conversations happening on Facebook with people from this podcast who like, I'll tell them something crazy and then they'll email me like the most insane, subversive fucking video or just like...
Really crazy shit.
Sometimes I can't go on Facebook if I'm too stoned because I'll start getting paranoid because there'll be some heavy-duty, weird fucking shit up there.
We are connecting with like-minded people in a way that's never been available before, and it's starting a network.
It's not just a network with podcasts, with the Death Squad podcast and yours, the Lavender Hour.
You know, it's that, but it's also a network with all these fucking people on Facebook, and all these people on Twitter, and these people that I met in Australia that came to the show, and these people that are, I've got a show this weekend, or this week, rather, Wednesday night, yeah, Wednesday night, I'm at the Louisville, Kentucky Improv.
That's my next gig.
And that's another one.
This is all promoted just strictly straight from Twitter.
We're bringing these people all together, and people are getting connected, and there's a movement going on.
There's a movement of the mind.
This is an opportunity for people to find and connect with like-minded people about things that they thought were interesting that fucking was not available just a year ago.
It was not available two years ago or three years ago.
It's like this new thought, this new hive mind that's being created.
And I'm not taking responsibility for it.
It's creating itself.
It's always been things that I've always been interested in, and it's always been things that you've always been interested in.
We will see you soon on Friday, and I'll see you crazy freaks in Louisville, Kentucky, and maybe I could talk you out of escaping or creating something better in Louisville.