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And we're live? | |
We're live! | ||
What's up, brother? | ||
What's up? | ||
Dude, how are you? | ||
Very good. | ||
We got you in here finally, man. | ||
How many times do we have to talk about this? | ||
Several, right? | ||
A lot. | ||
This was the universe wanted it right now. | ||
The universe made it happen after the Till victory. | ||
That was, for a lot of people, a big coming out party for you. | ||
Was it? | ||
Yeah, you were already out, but that was like, holy shit. | ||
The way you put him out, that was a holy shit moment. | ||
I was going for that moment. | ||
That's what I was trying to do. | ||
I knew a decision wasn't going to come my way that way. | ||
Not to say nothing about the English, but I don't like the judging over there. | ||
I've seen a lot of decisions go like... | ||
Yeah. | ||
Super crooked, you know? | ||
I don't like decisions in almost every state. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know, I mean, there's decisions in almost every athletic commission that you just shake your head at and you don't understand. | ||
What's the worst one you can think of? | ||
I don't know. | ||
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I don't know. | |
I'd have to sit back and go over the archives. | ||
But I've seen some horrible ones. | ||
Even ones where guys win. | ||
They like barely win. | ||
You're like, how the fuck was that close? | ||
Like 29, 28. Yeah, that kind of shit. | ||
And you're like, what round? | ||
Yeah, there's a lot of those. | ||
It's getting better though because more fighters every day are joining that force. | ||
You know, where I see or I hear about fighters that used to fight that are involved in the commissions, at least like in Florida and stuff. | ||
So I know 10 years from now, there's going to be nothing but productive people and people that know what they're looking at, you know? | ||
We can only hope. | ||
I mean, that's the number one problem. | ||
I think the scoring system sucks, too. | ||
Like, adopting a 10-9. | ||
Even the new, improved scoring system. | ||
It's like, MMA is so much different than boxing. | ||
And to adopt this scoring system just because it already existed for boxing, you know, that's like adopting the rules of tennis for ping-pong. | ||
Like, they're different things. | ||
It's a mafia. | ||
Is that what it is? | ||
The boxing thing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
Why is the boxing commission governing the MMA commission? | ||
Shouldn't we have our own thing, you know? | ||
I think in some places they just didn't have the infrastructure, you know? | ||
Nowadays we could do it, I'm sure. | ||
Nowadays, for sure. | ||
Yeah, in most places. | ||
But yeah, it's, I mean, times are changing. | ||
I mean, you've been around for a long time, my friend. | ||
I remember the first time I ever saw you fight. | ||
It was a backyard bare-knuckle fight in the Kimbo Slice days. | ||
That was the first time I heard about you. | ||
And then I saw you fight Eve Edwards in Bodog. | ||
I remember Bodog fight. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It was the golden ages. | ||
The golden ages, man. | ||
It was a while ago. | ||
Damn, it's crazy. | ||
Like, Bodog fight was a fun organization. | ||
Cain Velasquez fought there. | ||
Chael Sonnen fought there. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Eddie Alvarez. | ||
That's right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Fedor. | ||
Fedor had a fight over there. | ||
Fedor had a fight over there. | ||
Brad Pickett as well. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Mike Brown. | ||
Yeah. | ||
What happened with them? | ||
They went under because of the whole gambling rules online changed, right? | ||
Not from what I heard. | ||
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No? | |
From what I heard was the spending budget. | ||
This is what I heard... | ||
Calvin there, that was the owner of Bodo, right? | ||
He put up this huge budget. | ||
And these are just rumors from what I heard from the people working, you know? | ||
It was like $100 million for X, Y, Z amount of years to get him publicity so people would see the fights and then go to the casino. | ||
And that $100 million got blown out like in two, three years is what I heard. | ||
Oh! | ||
And I wouldn't disagree because they used to pay me really good and give us super perks. | ||
They used to give us some super perks, you know? | ||
Take us to exotic locations to fight, be there for two weeks. | ||
You plus two, they'd fly out, take care of you. | ||
They really, really took very good care of you. | ||
So when I heard that they blew out 100 million in three years, I was like, yeah, it could be, you know? | ||
Well, they were fighting on the beach with hot girls in bikinis, wandering around dancing. | ||
But you were on the beach, like in the sun. | ||
I was like, who the fucking idea is it to fight in the sun? | ||
But let me tell you, the training sessions that went on there were some of the best that I've seen in the world. | ||
So you would go and you'd bring two of your corner men and then somebody found that and then before you know you had like four people of your entourage going with you from whatever team that was and everybody was doing that and we'd have a training place and what they had done was laid out tarps and mats and it was huge so we'd have like a hundred pros 50 pros from all over the world just training you know and when you don't know each other and it's like hey you want to roll you know it gets competitive you know yeah so there was some great training sessions that I saw and that I that I took a part of you know Wow. | ||
Yeah, it was fun, man. | ||
Good fucking times. | ||
Look, the world needs more of those. | ||
They need more 1FCs. | ||
We need more Bellators. | ||
We need more, you know... | ||
Competition. | ||
Whatever the Professional Fight League is called now. | ||
What do they call themselves now? | ||
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Professional Fighters League. | |
Is that what it is? | ||
It's PFL. It used to be World Series of Fighting. | ||
That's right. | ||
Yeah, we need more. | ||
We need more of them. | ||
Oh, so PFL is World Series of Fighting. | ||
It used to be World Series. | ||
Now it's PFL. Okay. | ||
Yeah, I think pretty sure most of the same organization. | ||
Okay. | ||
Yeah. | ||
We need more. | ||
Need more money. | ||
Yeah, that Oscar De La Hoya thing, that's probably never going to happen again after the Tito and Chuck fight. | ||
But someone of that ilk, someone like a Golden Boy Promotions, they started getting involved in MMA and putting together, they could get some guys that aren't signed but are super high level with a big name. | ||
Maybe the contract comes up and they decide to do something with a big name promoter. | ||
It'd be good for everybody. | ||
Golden Boy tried many years ago, didn't they? | ||
With Affliction was an Oscar part of that, I remember. | ||
Oscar, Donald Trump. | ||
Oh, that's right. | ||
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Donald Trump was a part of Affliction, that's right. | |
Josh Barnett sunk that ship. | ||
Josh Barnett tested positive and that ship sunk, remember? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, and then the UFC bought it, like, right afterwards. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They had some fun fights, though. | ||
That fucking Tim Sylvia-Fadar fight was wild as shit. | ||
Andre Oloski. | ||
Yeah, Oloski-Fadar. | ||
Look at Donald Trump and Fadar. | ||
He, he, he, with Tom Atentio. | ||
That's hilarious. | ||
Yeah, back in the day, son. | ||
Yeah, Donald Trump and Tim Sylvia. | ||
That's hilarious. | ||
He was a totally different character back then. | ||
Donald Trump was like a fun guy. | ||
Like, everybody liked him. | ||
Oh, he was always at the boxing fights, too. | ||
Yeah, people liked him. | ||
He'd get cheered on. | ||
Now people are so fucking mad at him. | ||
Same guy! | ||
Nah, they don't see him that way no way. | ||
No, they don't. | ||
They don't, man. | ||
That's why he has all his security around him now. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
He has to. | ||
Yeah. | ||
He fucked up. | ||
He became president. | ||
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Yeah. | |
It's a huge mistake for anybody. | ||
You want to enjoy your life? | ||
Don't be fucking president. | ||
You know, he could disappear, get facial surgery or something. | ||
You think so? | ||
Of course. | ||
Plus, you get that booklet with all the secrets of the history. | ||
Just for that alone. | ||
Yeah, the CFR book. | ||
Just for that alone. | ||
Who do you think gives you that book? | ||
Is it the CIA, the NSA? Who comes to you with the book? | ||
Some guy with no face, nothing. | ||
Ah, no face. | ||
Yeah, like the guy with the blotter and the watchman. | ||
Who was that guy? | ||
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Inc. | |
Blot? | ||
What's his name? | ||
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Rorschach. | |
Rorschach, that's right. | ||
That guy. | ||
Yeah, he comes to you. | ||
He comes to you with the book. | ||
What do you think's in that book? | ||
We all know what's in that book. | ||
Tell me. | ||
I don't know what's in that book. | ||
You don't know what's in that book? | ||
What's in the book? | ||
You think I'm going to say here and what? | ||
Minions of people listening get killed? | ||
I can't say. | ||
I've seen the book, but I can't talk about it. | ||
What do you think's in the book? | ||
No, I'm joking. | ||
What do you think, if you had a guess? | ||
Let's say, President Jorge, your first day in office. | ||
Mr. Masvidal, what would you like to go over first? | ||
Is Elvis still alive? | ||
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No. | |
What about Tupac? | ||
Where the fuck are you keeping him? | ||
Where's Tupac at? | ||
Who else? | ||
What's going on with these aliens, bro? | ||
Are they real? | ||
What's really happening? | ||
That's my number one. | ||
Number one? | ||
Number one I want to know about aliens. | ||
I was hoping, this is my hope, when all these people are screaming in the streets about Trump, like, no! | ||
I was hoping the moment he gets in, he's going to ask about aliens. | ||
Because Trump's into conspiracies. | ||
Like, he used to go on the Alex Jones show all the time. | ||
I know he's into conspiracies. | ||
If you were going to be the president, the first thing you'd ask is fucking aliens. | ||
What do you got? | ||
Let's see what's going on here with these green fellas. | ||
Yeah. | ||
What do you think is going on with them? | ||
You live in Florida. | ||
There's plenty of aliens down there. | ||
No, we don't got... | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
We got a lot of aliens. | ||
Different types of aliens. | ||
Florida is a trip. | ||
We're talking about those aliens? | ||
No. | ||
Florida is a trip. | ||
It's one of my favorite places. | ||
Especially the whole southern Florida area, like Miami, West Palm Down. | ||
It seems like you should have a passport to go there. | ||
It's so different than the rest of America. | ||
It's wild. | ||
Don't speak English. | ||
It's great. | ||
The food is all exotic. | ||
It's such a different flavor. | ||
And then the weather's crazy. | ||
It's almost like going to another country. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You need a little power. | ||
You go to the gas station, try and put gas in. | ||
What language are you speaking? | ||
Nobody speaks English there. | ||
People get upset. | ||
I'm always at a gas station and somebody, like an American person, will be in the line and, fucking damn it, man. | ||
Nobody speaks English here. | ||
And then I have to translate. | ||
Oh, calm down, man. | ||
It's okay, bro. | ||
There's people who speak English and Spanish, you know? | ||
Yeah. | ||
And it's also the weather there. | ||
When it gets crazy, it gets so crazy. | ||
I went with Eddie Bravo once and he was doing a jiu-jitsu seminar. | ||
We had a drive from West Palm down to Miami. | ||
And as we're driving, this storm hit. | ||
It was so hard. | ||
Everyone stopped dead on the highway because you couldn't drive, because you couldn't see in front of you. | ||
We were laughing. | ||
No one could see anything. | ||
It was just all a wall of water that was pounding down the car for about 10 minutes, and then it all went away. | ||
We were like, what in the fuck was that? | ||
You can't see in front of you. | ||
Didn't matter if you had windshield wipers on. | ||
You were going nowhere. | ||
You couldn't drive. | ||
You couldn't see. | ||
Sounds about right. | ||
That's about right, right? | ||
That's why Miami people, Florida people got that spastic behavior as well, just like the weather, you know? | ||
We're here one moment, we're gone the next, you know? | ||
It's all temporary. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, well, you know, you being down there, though, you couldn't ask for a better training environment. | ||
I mean, what they've established on there, I mean, it was great when there was the Black Zillions there as well, but, I mean, American Top Team down there, like, holy shit! | ||
We are in Florida. | ||
I mean, Black Zillions was trying to do that cute thing to saying that they were giving us competition. | ||
Whatever happened to that team? | ||
Well, the guy died. | ||
No, but before that, it was long extinct. | ||
Yeah, well, look, Dan Lambert's a bad motherfucker. | ||
It costs a lot of money to do what he did. | ||
And that guy, he's one of the treasures of the sport. | ||
And what he did was not just do it once, but then build a whole new place. | ||
The giant new place with dormitories and shit, stay at the art facility. | ||
Dan loves it, man. | ||
He's a Amazing. | ||
Have you ever been to Dan's house? | ||
No, never have. | ||
Well, he's probably going to get mad at me. | ||
I'm going to put him on blast. | ||
I'm going to fuck it. | ||
Let's pick at him real quick. | ||
He's rich, so... | ||
You know, he's got a really nice house to start with. | ||
And you go inside the house and you don't see any pictures of his kids. | ||
She has a beautiful family. | ||
But you do see pictures, massive pictures. | ||
I'm talking about, they won't fit in this room. | ||
They're huge pictures of his fighters knocking people out and submitting people all over his living room, man. | ||
And he'll tell you, he goes, man, the gym is my baby. | ||
No way I'd get rid of this. | ||
That's his thing. | ||
That's his baby, man. | ||
He loves it, man. | ||
And Dan's also a tough motherfucker, bro. | ||
I've rolled with him. | ||
Back in the day when he was... | ||
Maybe like eight years ago, he used to roll with everybody. | ||
If you were a world champion or not, you'd be like, let's roll. | ||
Just straight jiu-jitsu. | ||
And he's fucking pretty good, man. | ||
Yeah, he's very good. | ||
He's legit. | ||
Yeah, he's a great guy, too. | ||
And I remember when that... | ||
This place was basically just a money hole for him. | ||
He just kept pumping money into it. | ||
He was funding fighters. | ||
Some of them took advantage of him. | ||
A lot of them took advantage of him. | ||
But he stuck with it. | ||
And then he started developing world champions. | ||
And now it's like, wow, look at that place. | ||
I mean, when you talk about best gyms on the planet, you always have to mention ATT. You have to. | ||
Obviously, my opinion is biased, but I think we stand alone in the world. | ||
I don't think nobody's... | ||
Just sheer numbers, you know? | ||
We just got another title holder. | ||
You know, on my card, we got four people from American Top Team fighting against the world, you know? | ||
I think for a while, it was like Greg Jackson's and AKA. They were producing a lot of people, but as of late, the last like four years, I think it's American Top Team. | ||
Yeah, it's... | ||
It's also the incredible diversity of talent that you can train with. | ||
That's what attracts it. | ||
You're a 135er, and back home you're the only 135er, and maybe you're a world-class guy. | ||
You come in here, you've got like five 135ers, and three of them might be in the top ten in the UFC. What do you attribute your longevity to and your enthusiasm to? | ||
Because you've always been a guy who loves fighting and you've always been a guy who, I mean, you've had that enthusiasm for a long time, man. | ||
Not a lot of things can capture my attention. | ||
I can't just watch TV, for example, like a football game and sit through the whole thing. | ||
I'm not trying to diss football. | ||
I just don't have that attention span or basketball or baseball. | ||
Fighting can just, like, I'm talking to you and the fight goes on. | ||
And I just like almost get zoned out, you know? | ||
So it's always had my attention since a kid. | ||
Since before, I knew that I could make money off of it. | ||
It just attracted me, you know? | ||
It's that primal instinct, survival, whatever it is. | ||
It's just hardwired deep into me, you know? | ||
And my longevity. | ||
One thing I definitely attribute to is not taking steroids, man. | ||
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You know? | |
Just being natural, enjoying this ride, the natural form, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
Not, like, pushing my body towards limits that I'm bench pressing 400 pounds where my ligaments are weak. | ||
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Right. | |
Things like that, you know? | ||
And I also think God made me for this, you know? | ||
The way that I've been fighting my whole career, you know, I have really good defense. | ||
The last fight, it didn't show, but I'm also, like, built hard, man. | ||
I walked out of the till fight without a bruise, you know? | ||
Well, it showed. | ||
I mean, look, you got clipped with one left hand in the initial after you dick kicked him, which is crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
He came out. | ||
That was the first fight I ever saw with an opening flying sidekick dick kick. | ||
Liu Kang to the balls. | ||
Sorry. | ||
But then he clipped you with a perfect straight left. | ||
But you survived on the ground. | ||
You survived on the ground. | ||
You covered up. | ||
You showed great defense on the ground. | ||
You got back to your feet and you kept it together. | ||
And the combination that you hit him with, you'd hit him with that combination a couple times. | ||
Is that something you prepared for? | ||
That when you were switching and then throwing that left hand? | ||
Did you prepare for it that way? | ||
When I went southpaw and then bet, bet. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Me and my coach, he's the one that'll do all the techniques. | ||
The guy that I've been with forever, Paulino Hernandez, I think, the greatest striking coach ever. | ||
He showed me, like, hey, let's do this. | ||
I'm like, oh, man, I don't want to do any of your techniques. | ||
Come on, let's just do it. | ||
Then we started doing it, doing it, doing it. | ||
This was a while ago. | ||
For this fight, and I had stopped doing it, because a lot of techniques, we work them a lot. | ||
When he brings me a technique to the table, We're going to rep it out 1,000 times in a week and the next week the same thing. | ||
Talit feels that I got it. | ||
And then he'll be like, alright, cool. | ||
It's there in the tool shed. | ||
When we need it, we'll polish it up. | ||
So for this fight, he's like, hey, remember that technique? | ||
Let's bring it. | ||
I think it'll work here. | ||
I go, man, but he's a softball. | ||
He's like, I'm telling you, the way he's moving, the way he's fighting with you, it's going to work. | ||
So we started doing it and boom. | ||
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Money. | |
You caught him with it a couple times before you put him away with it, right? | ||
Not with that one. | ||
With that same exact one. | ||
Similar ones, but I didn't go full southpaw to the blitz. | ||
You know, I did it other different ways, you know? | ||
And I also caught him a lot with like overhand and left hook as he was coming in, especially in the second round. | ||
I caught him, I think, maybe twice with that combo. | ||
Yeah, man. | ||
That's a big knockout. | ||
That was a big knockout. | ||
He's an interesting guy because he's really too big for 170. He's so fucking tall, but you are a guy who doesn't cut much weight at all. | ||
How much weight do you cut? | ||
By the time I get into Shape Shape, I'm around 182 pounds, 180 pounds. | ||
So fight week, I get over there and I'm like 8 pounds away, 7 pounds away. | ||
That's so light. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's nice. | ||
I don't cut anything. | ||
At 55, if everything went right when I used to fight at 155, I got there at 174 pounds, 173 pounds, 5% body fat. | ||
And the rest was just water, man. | ||
It would fucking kill me. | ||
So I always felt I was too big for 55, you know? | ||
I loved it because the competition was stifter, but it was just getting harder and harder. | ||
Once it took those IVs away, forget it. | ||
There was no way for me to make that weight. | ||
Yeah, and moving up has been very successful for you. | ||
I mean, you look better moving up than I think you have ever in your career. | ||
I don't think I had any stoppages at 55 with the hands, like ending somebody. | ||
I dropped numerous people, but I never KO'd somebody stiff, you know? | ||
And at 70, I got a couple of them. | ||
Do you attribute that to having more power at 70, like being healthier, feeling better? | ||
Energy, confident. | ||
Once you run that desert to cut the weight and then you still have to fist fight, that's still in the back of your mind. | ||
Do I have 50 good right hands in me? | ||
And those doubts and stuff come in you. | ||
And also, your insides take a beating. | ||
When you cut that weight, when you're cutting like 12 pounds and up of water, Your insides take a beating, so you get hit in the stomach and like, whoa, that shit fucking hurt. | ||
It doesn't hurt like this in practice. | ||
You know, so it sucks, man. | ||
It sucks. | ||
Harsh water cuts suck. | ||
We were talking about it outside that I think that if they instituted hydration tests and more weight classes and just cut it out. | ||
Just cut out weight cutting altogether. | ||
Cut it out, man. | ||
Just figure out a way to eliminate. | ||
Make people fight at what they weigh at. | ||
But you've got to have more weight classes. | ||
No, definitely. | ||
You have to. | ||
I mean, most of the population walks around between like 145 and 170, I think, right? | ||
You know, most of my friends are not heavyweights or very short dudes, you know. | ||
They're like right around there. | ||
So I think definitely in those weight classes, they could definitely add more, you know. | ||
Maybe even 7 pounds in those weight classes, every 7 pounds difference. | ||
And then as they get bigger, they could do like 10 pounds, you know, like 85, 95, 205, you know. | ||
I don't think it's... | ||
Some people said that boxing is too watered down. | ||
I think what waters down boxing is the different organizations. | ||
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Yes. | |
I don't think it's weight classes. | ||
15 belts per weight class? | ||
Come on, man. | ||
Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with a 147 and a 154. No. | ||
That doesn't bother me. | ||
No, no way. | ||
That 7 pounds... | ||
147, 154, 160, and they have 168. I think that's perfect. | ||
Perfect. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I don't think... | ||
I mean, I think... | ||
Look, I always thought it was weird that we didn't adopt... | ||
If we're going to adopt the boxing 10-point must system, why don't we adopt the weight classes? | ||
That's what I'm saying. | ||
It's the weirdest... | ||
How is lightweight 155? | ||
Lightweight's always in 135. We all know that. | ||
Welterweight's 147. It's not 170. How is that welterweight? | ||
That's ridiculous. | ||
There was already a welterweight. | ||
It's like calling a pound. | ||
Like, oh, well, this is our pound in South Dakota. | ||
It's seven pounds. | ||
It's a little heavier in South Dakota. | ||
Yeah, like, what is that? | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
It's... | ||
It would be better for the athletes. | ||
But I get the UFC's idea that they don't want to have all these titles. | ||
They don't want to have 12 different titles. | ||
They don't want it to be watered down. | ||
Well, it's starting to be. | ||
We've got a bunch of interim champions right now, don't we? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Well, listen. | ||
Those two that we had this past weekend, I don't see anybody going to argue with those. | ||
Those were fun. | ||
Those were great fights. | ||
Those were amazing. | ||
Wow. | ||
And I've been training alongside DP for a while. | ||
Everybody knows who DP is already, but this, I think, puts him in a special category. | ||
For sure. | ||
To beat a guy like Max, man. | ||
And to beat him the way he beat him to stun him bad in that first round. | ||
And then just every time he connected, he was rocking him. | ||
I mean, he really showed his power, showed the difference between a 55er and a 45er. | ||
No, DP can crack. | ||
I've been working with him for a while. | ||
I've seen him lay out dudes stiff in the gym a lot. | ||
He's got one of the higher body counts for laying dudes out stiff at ATT. Not even joking. | ||
I believe it. | ||
He's got power. | ||
Another guy that would lay dudes stiff on the constant was Hector, man. | ||
Those guys got body counts for the gym. | ||
Lombard? | ||
Yeah. | ||
I can imagine he kind of spars hard. | ||
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Yeah, he spars a little hard. | |
He's a wild man. | ||
He's also a freak athlete, too. | ||
You know, I remember when Hector was laying people out in Bellator before he came over to the UFC. I mean, I think he fought his prime fights over there, really. | ||
That was at 85, too. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, 70 was a harsh cut for him. | ||
Brutal cut. | ||
He's so thick. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know? | ||
Those fucking Cuban genetics, man. | ||
Yeah, that's what he looks like. | ||
Thickness. | ||
Joel too is another guy. | ||
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Yes! | |
He's got all neck. | ||
Joel is ridiculous. | ||
42 years old can lay you out with any head. | ||
I can't even believe this is a real human. | ||
Whenever he weighs in, I'm like, what the fuck is this? | ||
He's such a specimen. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
Scary dude, bro. | ||
I've been training along that guy too long, bro. | ||
He's one of the freaker athletes. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
Him, Lombard. | ||
And to me, one of the best athletes I've ever seen that I've been around with. | ||
Not too many people know him, but he's a wild man. | ||
Like, the wildest of the bunch. | ||
He's the one that when he comes in the room, me, Joel, Hector, whoever's there that knows him, takes off the hat and goes, the guy's here. | ||
The man is here. | ||
It's Alexis Villa, bro. | ||
That guy's a freak athlete, bro. | ||
Yeah? | ||
Two-time world champion wrestler, Olympic bronze medalist. | ||
But man, that guy could play any sport, man. | ||
Like handball. | ||
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How long has he been over at ATT? No, no. | |
Right now, he's beating a sentence right now. | ||
He's doing a little bit of jail time for a crime that he didn't commit, but he was fighting. | ||
He fought in Bellator. | ||
He beat Joe Warren. | ||
He knocked him out. | ||
Oh, no shit. | ||
Okay. | ||
Alexis Villa. | ||
And, man, from pure athleticism, this guy would do crazy stuff, you know? | ||
He'd play basketball with, like, a basketball high school team just by, like, what the fuck? | ||
What weight is he competing in? | ||
He was at 125 and 135. Freak athlete, though. | ||
Do some crazy stuff. | ||
Yeah, bro. | ||
Freak athlete, man. | ||
Yeah, there's some freak athletes in the sport now. | ||
It's interesting to see the difference between the athletes from like 93, you know, the first UFCs to now. | ||
It's a crazy difference. | ||
I still don't think that we get the same caliber of athletes as the NFL or the NHL or rather NBA. But it's closing in. | ||
In different ways. | ||
Because we get the best and fastest guys from like 170 and down. | ||
Like those 45, 35 pounders, they're growing up either wrestling or boxing or doing something of that nature. | ||
They know they're not going to play basketball or football. | ||
That's true. | ||
That's true. | ||
Yeah, that's true. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, we do have some pretty freaky lighter weight athletes. | ||
Yeah. | ||
How old are you now? | ||
How old are you now? | ||
34. 34. How many more years do you feel you're going to be doing this? | ||
Comfortably, I'm going to fight until I'm 38 at least. | ||
Four more years. | ||
And then if the money is right, I'll stick around. | ||
But at 38, I've... | ||
I've lived this rollercoaster long enough, it's time to stop, just dedicate full time to my kids. | ||
Did you start fighting at like 20? | ||
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18, pro. | |
Yeah, wow. | ||
Had a couple of amateur fights, went pro and enjoyed this rollercoaster. | ||
It's my favorite rollercoaster. | ||
What kind of training did you have before you went pro? | ||
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Um... | |
Just that fucking... | ||
Somebody that had, like, maybe one or two pro fights in MMA, like, advising you, like, I think you should be doing this, man. | ||
Why don't we go chop trees and shit? | ||
Alright, let's go do it, you know? | ||
You didn't have any fight training? | ||
Yeah, I had fight training, but it wasn't, like, structured, you know? | ||
Um... | ||
What was your first original martial art? | ||
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Uh... | |
As a kid, my dad had sucked me in anything, martial arts, because I was a very hyperactive individual. | ||
So my dad was like, man, I've got to stick this guy in something. | ||
So they had me in karate. | ||
What else I done? | ||
Maybe some Taekwondo. | ||
But I didn't get far in a lot of these things because I'd start to excel in the programs, obviously, because of my natural aggressiveness. | ||
But then in school, if I get in trouble with the grades or anything, my mom would be like, no, we got to take him out. | ||
It's only going to further the damage. | ||
We're not going to let him go there and be at peace. | ||
We're going to take him out every time he messes up at school. | ||
So I'd start doing good at the gym like two, three months and then get taken out, you know? | ||
So that was like a recurring thing until I got to like 14 years old. | ||
Then I was like, that's it, man. | ||
I need to be in the gym all day long. | ||
It's the only way to do it. | ||
You had parts in your career where you took it more seriously? | ||
As a kid, until I got to 13, 14, I wasn't able to... | ||
Mom, I'm not going to school today. | ||
I'm going to the gym now. | ||
Right around I got 14, I knew already more or less what I wanted to do. | ||
I had already seen the UFC enough. | ||
Before the UFC came out, I was like, I'm either going to box or I'm going to wrestle. | ||
Those two things are amazing and the coolest things I've ever seen. | ||
And then UFC comes out and blows my fucking mind. | ||
I was like, what the fuck is this, bro? | ||
You're getting paid for this? | ||
And then I was hearing what they were getting paid at the time. | ||
I was like, man, I could make a living off this. | ||
I'm doing this. | ||
Fuck that. | ||
And I invested everything I had ever since into this. | ||
Wow. | ||
So you keep saying the resurrection is a big thing that you're putting on social media. | ||
The resurrection. | ||
What is that about? | ||
Um... | ||
Numerous things. | ||
More on the personal side. | ||
Just cutting off a lot of bullshit out of my life. | ||
Tremendous amounts of it. | ||
And focusing on what I got to do. | ||
I've done a lot of stupid shit in my career. | ||
Just from having genetics and being blessed. | ||
Man, I can party all night long and then park the car at the gym at 6am in the morning. | ||
I'll wake up at 10am and then kick everybody's ass in the workout room. | ||
And I'm not talking shit because anybody that works out with me will tell you every day that I'm in there, I'm a nightmare, you know? | ||
And then I go home and sleep a couple hours and then go back to the gym at night. | ||
And do stupid shit like that. | ||
I did that for a while. | ||
Not that I was currently doing that, but I did that a lot. | ||
I abused my body. | ||
You didn't give your body a chance to really recover. | ||
From that and a million other dumb things. | ||
So I've just focused on just fighting, man. | ||
Just doing this 100%. | ||
You even cut out social media. | ||
Yeah, that I've cut out a long time ago, but even more now, you know. | ||
For me, I'm not good with technology to start with. | ||
I'm not the greatest with the technology gizmo and stuff, man. | ||
Right. | ||
You know, you got the Elon Musks of this world, and you got me on the other spectrum, man. | ||
I just want to fight. | ||
I just want to do athletic things, sports. | ||
Call me up if you're going to go for a fucking five-hour hike, but if I got to send emails and shit, I'm fucked. | ||
So I'm talking about social media. | ||
I don't know how many followers I got in there. | ||
It's a lot of pressure to keep up with this stuff. | ||
I could do this, the talking. | ||
I don't ignore it. | ||
I get on it. | ||
My manager stays on top of me and he helps me out tremendously. | ||
But I was in the special classes in elementary. | ||
I had the short bus, two teachers in my class, eight students. | ||
So you can't force me on this social media stuff. | ||
It feels like I'm back in school. | ||
But you obviously are a smart dude. | ||
You're a smart dude. | ||
I can tell that from talking to you. | ||
And you're clearly smart from the way you fight. | ||
You know, there's no way you could fight the way you fight and be as creative as you are and not be intelligent. | ||
It's just you're expressing it in a different way. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
For sure. | ||
For fighting, yeah, I definitely have to be smart. | ||
Unless you're just some crazy freak athlete. | ||
For fighting, yeah, I definitely got a good sense of what's good and what's bad. | ||
Mm-hmm. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Definitely. | ||
Have you always had that sense of what's good and what's good in terms of, like, have you always had good timing for sparring? | ||
Oh, for straight, my most gifted ability that God said here is boxing. | ||
Since the first day I walked into the boxing ring, maybe like three weeks later was the first time I was like, I will let this guy spar, you know? | ||
And they put me to spar. | ||
And I remember there was a couple coaches there that didn't know me. | ||
They were handling already the boxing team for that program. | ||
And I used to go to the state-sponsored program, which was like $40 for the whole year. | ||
You had access to the gym three, four hours a day, and it was like perfect. | ||
You know, it was the best thing that could happen to me. | ||
So it was a lot of good talent and then we had a couple of national champions come out of the program. | ||
And I remember my first sparring session sparring, the coach is coming up to me and goes, "Hey man, how many amateur fights you got?" And I go, "No, I've never fought in my life." I go, "What? | ||
All right, come over here, man. | ||
Let's start working with you." And it was like immediate, you know, and I just had like a natural born radar where I could see the punches in slow motion, you know. | ||
I didn't know at the time how to react to them. | ||
Right. | ||
Trying to get out of the way and it would just work you know and still to this day I have that same radar so I'm that's just a blessing God gave me and also from the ass whoopings my mother used to give me because when the belt would come with a metal buckle and the shoes that that's the first um test of the reflexes you know when I get home like at uh two in the morning I was like 12 13 years old my mom be waiting for me dodge the broom time You've obviously put more work | ||
into, though. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
It's not just this whole resurrection. | ||
You seem more focused. | ||
Definitely more focused. | ||
I've always been, like, ultra-focused when I got to fight. | ||
You know, like, nothing forever in all my career. | ||
Like, I got to fight. | ||
I'm going to make it to every single practice that's on my schedule. | ||
If I got two practices today and three tomorrow and whatever it is, I'm always going to do it. | ||
Outside of fighting, though, like, once I don't have a fight, those seven, eight weeks, madness would happen. | ||
Fucking stupid shit, you know? | ||
So, you know, that gets you into trouble. | ||
That gets you out of shape. | ||
I love to eat, you know? | ||
That's another fucking huge problem. | ||
Right. | ||
Yeah, I love to eat too much, maybe. | ||
What's the heaviest you've ever gotten in between fights? | ||
It was recently. | ||
Right before I went on this reality show, I checked my weight. | ||
I was at a staggering, too sexy. | ||
You know, it was time to cut the weight, man. | ||
It was just too much, man. | ||
What reality show was this? | ||
I went on my manager, Abe, got me this deal. | ||
We were having trouble. | ||
This was after the Thompson fight. | ||
We couldn't really get a matchup. | ||
Couldn't get a fight that I wanted. | ||
I wanted like a tough fight and they were kind of offering me like ultimate fighters and things like that. | ||
No disrespect to them. | ||
At that stage in my career, I want the hardest fighter, the best fighter that I could get. | ||
And he calls me up one day and says, hey, I got this reality show. | ||
And I was like, oh, awesome. | ||
Click. | ||
And calls me back the next day. | ||
What? | ||
Don't hang up yet? | ||
Listen to me. | ||
I think you might like this. | ||
It's not like that. | ||
It's not like a jersey short. | ||
It's like a competitive. | ||
You're going to compete against people. | ||
I'm like, no, no thanks, bro. | ||
And then we talk like a week later. | ||
What's going on? | ||
Did I get a fight? | ||
No, we can't get a fight yet unless you want to fight Joe Blow or this guy. | ||
I've already been sitting out seven months nursing my injuries. | ||
I'm already thinking, yeah, I'll fight whoever it is. | ||
So while this is going on, the reality shows pitching numbers at us. | ||
They keep increasing the number every time. | ||
They get to a decent number. | ||
They talk to my manager. | ||
My manager talks to me like, I can't get you no fight right now that you want. | ||
Why don't you just go there a couple weeks, one or two weeks, collect these paychecks, come back and that's it, you know? | ||
And, uh, the reality shows, like, you go through, like, a parkour, um, kind of obstacles, and then at the end, you gotta aim. | ||
So, while your heart rate's all up, you'd have to, like, knock down water bottles with a frisbee or a football or something like that. | ||
But the cool part is that I'm up against Olympic gymnasts, parkour dudes, um, tennis players, soccer players, all types of athletes were just mixed in there, and we're just all competing in this thing. | ||
So, it was pretty cool, you know? | ||
It was an awesome experience. | ||
I ended up lasting, um, 13 weeks in the show and the show ran for about 15 weeks. | ||
So I got pretty far deep in it, you know? | ||
And the coolest thing was that I got to be alone by myself because one of the things is there's no cell phone, there's no TV, there's no music on the show. | ||
So it's just the interaction of us and outside of that, that's it. | ||
That's your only interaction. | ||
You don't have no interactions with the town people or nothing. | ||
They strictly forbid that, you know? | ||
They want you like caged up. | ||
So it was awesome, I thought. | ||
You know, after a while, it was the best. | ||
I'd go work out in the nature, be by myself in the mountains or in the beach and just chilling, and you really get to notice yourself. | ||
And that's why I call it the resurrection, because I thought about, like, all the negative, dumb things that I've done in my life, and just let me eliminate them. | ||
Whether I like them in my life or not, let me just eliminate that shit. | ||
And that's it, you know. | ||
That's why we call it the resurrection, you know. | ||
Yeah, well, that fight with Till, man, if anybody had any doubts, that fight erased all of them. | ||
And that was, I mean, Till was top five, right? | ||
When you knocked him out, I believe so. | ||
Number three, yeah. | ||
Yeah, and so that puts you in the hunt now. | ||
What a crazy goddamn division that is now. | ||
Yes, sir. | ||
I mean, we got Robbie Lawler, who's about to fight... | ||
Tyron Woodley again. | ||
They're going to have a rematch. | ||
That's a crazy fucking fight. | ||
It's a crazy fight. | ||
Usman is waiting to see who's going to be next for him at 170 now that he's the champ. | ||
I mean, Wonderboy just got KO'd by Pettis, which is crazy. | ||
That was crazy. | ||
And now RDA, which is a ranked 70 pounder, is going to fight... | ||
He's going to fight the 55. I just forgot his name right now this second. | ||
Kevin Lee. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
Kevin Lee's going to go up to 70 now. | ||
Those are the things that throw me off. | ||
If Pettis stays at 70, awesome, right? | ||
But if he goes down to 55, it kind of makes it more of a weird setup. | ||
And same thing with Kevin Lee. | ||
I don't know if he's staying up at 70 or he's doing a one-time, one-night sand thing, you know? | ||
He's staying, according to him, when I talked to him, he just had, it was just too hard for him. | ||
It's like 55 just ruined him. | ||
Every time he got down there, he made, well, you've met him. | ||
He's big. | ||
He's a big guy. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And he's walking around like 185, easy, maybe more, and thick, you know, so like, man, there's not a lot of weight there that you can cut off, 30 fucking pounds. | ||
Yeah, see, if he stays, no problem. | ||
I love it, you know, but when it's, when they come and go, it like messes up, yeah, it makes it a labyrinth, you know? | ||
Yeah, I don't understand why the UFC is so reluctant to have more weight classes. | ||
I really don't get it. | ||
Dana said that the 165-pound weight class will never happen while he's running the UFC, and he's going to be running it for the next seven years, he said. | ||
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ESPN plus Kevin Lee want to make Rafael Sanchez fight at 165. He's asking them to see if they can make a backroom deal to just both weigh in at 165 instead of 170, just to sort of force it. | |
What? | ||
That's not forcing it. | ||
That doesn't even make any sense. | ||
That's so weird. | ||
I mean, five pounds is not that much of a difference. | ||
It's not. | ||
But it would be nice if there was a ten pound gap. | ||
I don't know. | ||
They both... | ||
I mean, Del Sanchez has fought successfully at 170. He looked great when he fought Lawler. | ||
Beat Magnum, too. | ||
Yeah, but I feel like he's probably a guy that should be 165, too. | ||
They can make it like a 162 or something, 163, something like that. | ||
I don't know. | ||
We're probably just fucking whistling in the wind, though. | ||
They have their ideas. | ||
I don't want to run that business. | ||
I don't want to tell them what to do. | ||
Fuck running that. | ||
Imagine being running the UFC. What a nightmare that would be. | ||
Depends how much money you can pay for it, right? | ||
I guess. | ||
Still, once you have all that money for a few years and then you're dealing with high blood pressure and your fucking panic attacks in the middle of the night. | ||
They got things for high blood pressure that are pretty good. | ||
They do? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Marijuana. | ||
That does help. | ||
What's it like in Florida getting weed? | ||
Is it hard now? | ||
Florida's a fucking mafia, man. | ||
And I'm going to get killed for this. | ||
But you know, every state went legal and had the flour and shit. | ||
We only had wax. | ||
That's it? | ||
That's it, man. | ||
And that's for medical, right? | ||
Yeah, for medical. | ||
They're literally about to become... | ||
I think flour just became legal in Florida or it's about to become legal. | ||
Medical, right? | ||
Yeah, medical. | ||
Yeah, no just smoking the smoke. | ||
I wonder if they're going to be easy with the medical recommendations the way they used to be for opiates. | ||
Opiates, you'd be able to get oxys with, like, just go to a doctor, one of those little pain management centers. | ||
Oh, in Florida. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Oh, yeah, I'm sure. | ||
I wonder how hard it's going to be to get weed, because obviously there's someone who's spending some money trying to keep it from being fully legal there. | ||
Yes, yes. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And I think a big part of it is because, like, South Florida culture, there's a lot of natural growers over there. | ||
They grew, like, it's always been a big business. | ||
It's legal, of course, to grow marijuana in Florida and sell it, you know, especially in Miami, Florida. | ||
And a lot of people did this. | ||
So I think when the rules came about legalizing medically marijuana, they said, we're not going to have plants because everybody's going to grow plants. | ||
And, you know, it's like we can't really charge them because it's legal, you know. | ||
So that's why I think they did the wax. | ||
You can't grow the wax in the air. | ||
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It's hard to manufacture. | |
Yeah, I guess. | ||
And I don't really agree. | ||
It's like smoking wax. | ||
Like somebody giving me wax, like, oh, here, smoke this. | ||
I don't really know what's in there. | ||
It always feels like that from cocaine to crack, people thought, oh, it's still cocaine, and then you're fucking crackhead, you know? | ||
So the wax always, I don't care how many times somebody tells me, no, this is super safe. | ||
I get it, you know, but I'd rather the flour if I'm going to smoke. | ||
Yeah, it's pure. | ||
But apparently, one of the things they're dealing with in California is pesticides. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Some weed grown by shitty growers has pesticides on it. | ||
You're smoking these pesticides. | ||
I mean, this is why it should be legal, so you can test things. | ||
Exactly. | ||
Test things and find out what's pure and what's not. | ||
Make things organic. | ||
Only the best of the best make it to that other side, you know. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I don't know. | ||
It's just weird. | ||
It's so easy to get opiates in Florida. | ||
It's so hard to get weed. | ||
I wouldn't know nothing about that. | ||
I wouldn't know nothing about that either. | ||
So when you look at the landscape now, you're obviously in the running for a shot at the title. | ||
Has anybody given you any indication of what you would have to do to get a shot at Usman or to be next in line? | ||
Well, the next one is this idiot. | ||
I won't even mention his name on your show because I'm not going to make him famous. | ||
He's a fucking idiot, you know? | ||
But fight this guy and then go for the title. | ||
That's what they told me. | ||
So you have to fight somebody else? | ||
Yeah. | ||
What does his name rhyme with? | ||
Dolby? | ||
No, no, no. | ||
You don't want to say who he is? | ||
No, I was trying to think of something. | ||
Oh, Leon Edwards? | ||
No, no, no. | ||
He just made that guy famous too. | ||
I think you made him famous a couple weeks ago. | ||
I know. | ||
Who? | ||
Schmen, yeah. | ||
Oh, that's right. | ||
You're supposed to fight at Ben Askren in July. | ||
That fucking dork. | ||
You don't like him. | ||
Not one bit. | ||
Really? | ||
Not one bit, nah. | ||
Not as a person. | ||
Why did I forget that fight was scheduled? | ||
What's the problem with Ben Askren? | ||
He's that new age, you know, and he's like a fucking 40-year-old science teacher, too. | ||
I don't know why he asked him his new age. | ||
But he's like these new age dudes who just fucking talk. | ||
Like, just talk and talk and talk about everybody. | ||
Shut the fuck up. | ||
Because when somebody sees you in person, you're not that guy in... | ||
Like I said, I don't come from this technology world. | ||
I come from like, if you say like, yo, fucking Joe, you're a fucking idiot. | ||
What are you going to punch me in the face? | ||
I better be ready for it. | ||
I'm just not going around disrespecting people. | ||
I get taught respect because if not, somebody's going to make you respect. | ||
But these guys nowadays, they grow up with these little things. | ||
They can just say whatever the fuck they want. | ||
Words carry weight. | ||
Especially my kids can read your stupid comments. | ||
My kids have access to the internet now. | ||
I just don't like him, you know. | ||
One incident I remind you, when Khabib won the title, right? | ||
And Benny Miller comes out, I'm Khabib's kryptonite, I would smash him or something like that. | ||
For starters, you're a 70-pounder, you fucking moron. | ||
He's a 55-pounder and you're not even in the UFC, you know? | ||
He's that type of guy, an attention whore. | ||
Look at me, look at me. | ||
I don't even like his fighting style. | ||
I like a lot of wrestlers' style because if that's what you did and you're imposing it and winning, awesome. | ||
But when your sole purpose is just to hug somebody's leg as hard as you can. | ||
I don't know what you think about the Robbie fight, but he didn't win that fight in my eyes. | ||
Robbie was not asleep. | ||
We watched that fight several times. | ||
We watched that fight several times. | ||
I thought that Robbie was asleep for a second, and then Usman showed it to me, and then I changed my mind, and then Herb Dean came on and talked about it, and I changed my mind again because Herb Dean was saying that what he was concerned with was the way the arm dropped, and that it was a cervical lock. | ||
Essentially, when you have a bulldog choke, it puts... | ||
Puts some serious leverage on your neck. | ||
He's seen guys go out from that and their whole body goes paralyzed. | ||
He saw a guy where that happened to him. | ||
He came back. | ||
He got his movement back again, but for a while it was pretty fucking scary. | ||
So he was getting choked out by getting his neck pinched. | ||
It was pinching down the nerve. | ||
He was worried that that was happening with Robbie. | ||
He said the way his arm dropped, he goes, it wasn't normal. | ||
And he gave me some serious concern. | ||
Ben Askren said that he let go of the choke a little bit when Herb came over to him because he thought Herb was going to stop it because he thought Robbie was out. | ||
And he thinks that during that time when he let go, Robbie came back to life. | ||
Which could have happened. | ||
I don't know. | ||
It's hard for me to say. | ||
But I feel like in Herb Dean's situation, I think he did the right thing. | ||
Because the arm dropping was fucking weird. | ||
Yeah, the arm dropping was a little weird. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But he wasn't out. | ||
I've never seen nobody go to sleep doing this. | ||
You know? | ||
I've seen people go to sleep. | ||
Ashley Evans Smith went to sleep. | ||
With the thumbs up? | ||
With the thumbs up. | ||
But here's what Herb said that made sense. | ||
He goes, was it the thumbs up? | ||
He goes, I want a thumbs up. | ||
If someone looks at me, I want this. | ||
I want this. | ||
It's not, is your arm down in that position? | ||
He goes, was it this? | ||
Did he do this? | ||
Or was his arm down? | ||
I don't know. | ||
Only Robbie knows whether or not he was out. | ||
He says he wasn't. | ||
So you have to also say, He's in the middle of war. | ||
Exactly. | ||
If it's up to me, I want the guy to go peace sign with the cheese. | ||
The guy's defending a choke. | ||
That's true. | ||
But that was the other thing that Herb said. | ||
He didn't grab for the choke. | ||
He said the natural defense would be to get his hands on the hands and try to separate them. | ||
He didn't do that. | ||
But that's Herb's natural defense. | ||
Maybe Robbie, because he's seen this guy do it, has a fucking thing. | ||
Maybe Robbie... | ||
Can't be put to sleep from there. | ||
There's guys that are weird like that. | ||
Certain positions, they can go three minutes, you're choking them, and then they don't go to sleep. | ||
Maybe Robbie's that guy. | ||
All I know is he wasn't sleeping. | ||
Yeah, well, that's what Robbie said. | ||
Robbie said that he was waiting for Ben to tire his arms out. | ||
That's what he said. | ||
He said he felt the squeeze. | ||
He said the squeeze is really tight, but he's like, I'll just let him gas his arms out here. | ||
That was his thought. | ||
Look, I mean, Michael Chiesa said that when Kevin Lee got his back and they stopped the fight before he went out. | ||
He said, I let my hands go because I was concentrating on my neck. | ||
I was just tightening up my neck and trying to keep my blood flowing. | ||
I think that one was a little different. | ||
That one was the rear naked, you know? | ||
Yeah, it was different. | ||
So that's, you're gonna go to sleep eventually. | ||
And that one, let a guy go to sleep. | ||
Like, that one, you should let a guy go to sleep. | ||
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Let him. | |
Yeah. | ||
Nothing happens. | ||
You just wake them right up. | ||
Hey, you went to sleep. | ||
Maybe they pee their pants while they went to sleep. | ||
No big deal. | ||
There's certain neck cracks where you just go. | ||
No, but that one's not going to put you in a wheelchair. | ||
Especially not from Ben's ass, man. | ||
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Probably. | |
So, your take is on all of this trash-talking media hype shit that you see going on now. | ||
You don't like it. | ||
I don't. | ||
I don't. | ||
I think I fast-forward. | ||
It's distasteful right now to a certain point. | ||
But if you just fast-forward to the guys like me when I was 14 years old watching this sport, now you're looking at the dudes right now doing it. | ||
You're going to grow up and think... | ||
Oh, I got to do the same shit. | ||
I just got to fucking talk. | ||
A shitload of shit. | ||
I don't really got to go to the gym that much. | ||
Just got to have a banging, lit social network account. | ||
And I'm fucking golden, you know? | ||
And we see it, you know? | ||
Sage North, for example, you know? | ||
Great talent and stuff. | ||
But what he was getting paid out didn't make sense to a lot of the fighters, you know? | ||
Why was he getting paid so much? | ||
Because of the social media? | ||
But is he really bringing in those people into the chairs and into the TV because you have a lot of likes? | ||
It's the things that I wonder. | ||
Not to diss the girls or anything, but sometimes girls have a tremendous amount of followers. | ||
Do those numbers translate to viewers on the TV or butts in seats or any of that? | ||
I would like to know. | ||
A lot of times when I've asked people in the UFC and stuff, they say, no, those numbers don't translate. | ||
So why do they get more money? | ||
I'm not talking about the girls getting more money than us. | ||
I'm talking about guys that have a social media presence that are just getting more money. | ||
Don't you think it's going to translate a certain amount? | ||
No, I'm sure it does. | ||
I'm sure it does. | ||
Guys like Colby, Colby's got to translate. | ||
I mean, he talks so much shit. | ||
He gets people excited about the fights. | ||
There's something to it. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I appreciate what you're saying, though. | ||
Look, I appreciate the way 1FC handles things. | ||
Because they concentrate on just fighters being honorable and fighting their best and fighting the best fighters they can fight. | ||
And they don't emphasize that shit talking at all. | ||
They emphasize the martial arts aspect of it. | ||
I get it. | ||
Me and you don't like each other. | ||
Jon Jones and DC. I love it because you can feel these guys don't like each other. | ||
Yeah, you feel it. | ||
They fucking kill each other, you know? | ||
But to me, it's okay. | ||
Everybody's doing it. | ||
When Max Holloway fought Dustin, there was none of that. | ||
There was just two guys who were the best in their weight class. | ||
I mean, Max is the best 145-pounder ever, and Dustin Poirier is absolutely one of the best 155-pounders alive, and they're going to go after it. | ||
And it was beautiful. | ||
Two dogs. | ||
It was beautiful. | ||
No barking, just biting and fighting. | ||
Shaking hands, full respect, before and after. | ||
And I get a lot of people like, they have that I hate you syndrome going into a fight, so they don't want to shake hands, like, fuck you, I don't like you, you know? | ||
But when they're giving so much attention to that WWF stuff and pushing you to the forefront, that I don't really like, you know? | ||
And just to think that the kids watching it are going to be even worse. | ||
They're going to do it to the next power, you know? | ||
Did... | ||
Did you get upset? | ||
I mean, when you went over and got into a fight with Leon, you were being interviewed. | ||
He was yelling some shit at you while you were being interviewed. | ||
And you walked over, and one of the things that I like what you said is you walked over your hands behind your back. | ||
You're like, talk. | ||
Say what the fuck you want to say to me. | ||
But then when he was standing in front of you like he wanted to punch you, you're like, okay. | ||
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What was he saying to you? | |
Well, initially, I was doing my interview and he's crossing by and he's with his corner man. | ||
And I don't know if this guy consumes a lot of drugs or what, that he thought that that would intimidate him. | ||
He was walking like this, looking at me and pacing back and forth. | ||
I'm trying to do my interview, you know? | ||
And he asked me something about something, a date. | ||
And I say, maybe, maybe not. | ||
And then he tells me to shut up. | ||
Everybody watching this back home from Miami was like, you should have punched him as soon as he asked you a question while you're in your interview. | ||
Because that's my natural instinct. | ||
If you're getting interviewed and some fucking idiot comes here and cuts your interview off, you should get punches slapped upside your head. | ||
That'll teach you respect, not to do it to nobody else again. | ||
I should have immediately done it, but I didn't. | ||
I answered his question politely. | ||
Maybe, maybe not. | ||
He goes on to say shut up after that. | ||
I can't take that. | ||
My daughter might be watching this interview. | ||
I've been telling her, stand up to bullies your whole life. | ||
Don't go running to somebody and telling them, so-and-so is picking on me. | ||
Handle it yourself. | ||
That's what's wrong with this country, I think, with this whole, if somebody picks on you, go tell somebody else. | ||
I'm not going to tell authorities this hooligan's picking on me. | ||
I'm going to handle it myself, you know? | ||
Because I'm going to see him again. | ||
He's going to think he can pick on me. | ||
I've got to handle it myself, you know? | ||
I'm in my interview, man. | ||
You're going to steal my moment. | ||
I just worked out here. | ||
I just kicked some butt out here. | ||
You barely want a split decision in your own country. | ||
I knocked this dude out, and you're trying to steal my shine like this? | ||
That's what I'm saying. | ||
And then he got famous off that, which I hate. | ||
It's the only thing I could take back about that night, that it wasn't filmed. | ||
If they hadn't filmed it, it'd be even better, you know? | ||
He was just gone off in silence, you know? | ||
Leon got his ass split. | ||
But I think it helped you, too. | ||
Did it help me? | ||
Yeah, but it helped him more than anything. | ||
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Nah! | |
Yeah! | ||
No, it helped you. | ||
People know who this hooligan is. | ||
People know Masvidal doesn't take any shit. | ||
People have known that since... | ||
They know, but they like to see it. | ||
Since before Rainbows Had Color, they already knew that, man. | ||
They didn't need to see me whooping this to know that. | ||
People like to see it. | ||
They like to see it. | ||
They like to get remembered, huh? | ||
Yeah. | ||
They like to see people... | ||
Have consequences for shit talking in this weird era of constant shit talking, you know? | ||
I think people enjoy it. | ||
They like it. | ||
And if you guys ever fight, it makes it a bigger fight, for sure. | ||
I guess, man. | ||
Let me guess. | ||
But does that, like, I beat number three. | ||
I've been in this sport for a while. | ||
I've been beating up guys. | ||
Would that validate him to fight me? | ||
Not yet. | ||
He hasn't beaten a top ten guy yet. | ||
No. | ||
He's still yet to be the top ten guy, you know? | ||
But he could get that fight off that. | ||
That's the new age and era that we're in, you know? | ||
Right. | ||
That's a concern. | ||
Yeah, that's a concern. | ||
When he's beating a top 10 guy, I'm going to be the first guy to expose him, to break his face. | ||
But until that moment comes, you're talking about the business side. | ||
Because you already saw on the personal side, any day of the week, I will address you. | ||
But on the business side, get to my level, buddy. | ||
Put in the fucking word. | ||
Go beat a top 10 guy. | ||
Knock him the fuck out. | ||
Did you worry at all about getting in trouble for punching someone in another country? | ||
I was scared out of my fucking life, Joe. | ||
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. | ||
I was scared. | ||
I thought this guy was going to kill me, man. | ||
I might have not looked it, but I was scared out of my life. | ||
Yeah, I get it. | ||
I'm very cold-blooded, you know? | ||
I get that from genetics, from my pops and them, but I was scared out of my mind. | ||
I thought this guy was going to take everything I had, you know? | ||
You had to do that. | ||
I had to defend myself. | ||
I understand it. | ||
I understand. | ||
But did you worry at all about them arresting you or any weird shit like that over there? | ||
I mean, you're in another country. | ||
I wanted to press charges. | ||
Ah. | ||
That's how scared I was, but I'm not going to press charges because I'm a man. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But that's how I felt. | ||
You were in danger. | ||
I was fucking hell of in danger. | ||
I understand. | ||
It was not just one assailant. | ||
It was him and his crew of hooligans. | ||
Ah, hooligans. | ||
Lawless people. | ||
I had to defend myself. | ||
I did everything in my right to defend myself. | ||
It was one against like three or four dudes, and they know it. | ||
It's on video. | ||
Okay, I understand. | ||
I understand. | ||
And so, what did the police say to that? | ||
Oh, they didn't tell me nothing, man. | ||
They didn't tell you shit? | ||
I didn't speak to no police. | ||
That's amazing. | ||
No, no police for me. | ||
No talking to police. | ||
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Anyways. | |
You started to be up in the Spanglish immediately. | ||
No, no, no. | ||
We go on mute and not pickin' English. | ||
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Huh? | |
Que? | ||
No pick English. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I mean, how many times have you fought in England before? | ||
Well, first time. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So, like, if you go the rest of your career and you can't go to England, oh, well. | ||
No, that would suck, though. | ||
I really liked England. | ||
Did you? | ||
Fans were so knowledgeable. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And they were just cool. | ||
Even the ones that were, like, Till fans would say, like, a funny joke to me or something cool, but it wasn't, like, that weird, bad energy, you know? | ||
Even if they were Till fans, just be like, oh... | ||
My boy Till's gonna get you, but it'd be funny and how they say cheeky. | ||
It was a great experience. | ||
Everywhere I went, the people were super, super duper cool. | ||
Yeah, Brazil's rough if someone's fighting a Brazilian. | ||
I've heard the story. | ||
I've yet to fight a Brazilian. | ||
They're super nationalistic and proud. | ||
Very proud. | ||
So they're not into people coming over there and fighting Brazilians. | ||
They're not gonna be friendly to you. | ||
But England's different, man. | ||
They're very polite. | ||
Very knowledgeable, too. | ||
They're one of the countries that's been around for a while with the sport. | ||
Yeah. | ||
What'd you think about that Stylebender-Gaslam fight? | ||
Oh, that was pretty good, man. | ||
That was wild shit. | ||
That was pretty good. | ||
Tested. | ||
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Both. | |
Both tested, exactly. | ||
Yeah, both tested. | ||
Gaslam's got a ton of heart, man. | ||
He's a tank. | ||
Was nobody gonna get mad at him if in the fifth round he said, you know what? | ||
Yeah. | ||
He just fucking didn't stop. | ||
Kept going. | ||
Dug in. | ||
Survived. | ||
I mean, incredible. | ||
It looked like Stylebender was gonna take him out several times. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I mean, what a fight! | ||
And to have Kelvin land the first big shot early on and drop Stylebender and show him some real adversity and let him know, hey man, you get knocked the fuck out in this fight. | ||
You know, that was a real awesome moment, man. | ||
What a fight too, man. | ||
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Back and forth and, ooh, so much chaos. | |
And to have Kelvin head kick him and rock him. | ||
How about that shit? | ||
The thing that really rocked Stylebender was a fucking head kick from Calvin. | ||
I thought Calvin would press him up against the cage, maybe get a takedown, but just definitely keep him up against the cage and work him there with his wrestling background. | ||
I didn't see that going like that. | ||
Yeah, there was some wild scrambles on the ground, too. | ||
Was Tyle Bennett threw up that fucking triangle? | ||
I was like, whoa, he's got a game on the ground. | ||
No, he's a gifted athlete, man. | ||
Fast as fuck, man. | ||
And more than just gifted, you can tell he puts in the work. | ||
Yeah, 100%. | ||
He's smart as fuck. | ||
Yeah. | ||
He's smart and creative and just has a broad encyclopedia of, first of all, striking knowledge, but obviously when he went to the ground, he knew what the fuck to do, man. | ||
He was throwing up triangles. | ||
He locked Kelvin up in a triangle. | ||
It's just... | ||
They're slippery, and it's the end of the fight, and he popped out of it. | ||
Obviously, Kelvin used the right technique to get out of it, too. | ||
But that was a serious fucking triangle attempt. | ||
It was a serious fight, man. | ||
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Serious fight! | |
You pay your hard-earned money for that fight. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
Well, I hope enough people got a chance to watch it, because I don't know what that ESPN Plus debacle was. | ||
Because apparently there were a bunch of people that couldn't get it. | ||
Because you got to sign up right to the app. | ||
And there was some crashes and some people wouldn't work on their device and they had to order it online and it still didn't work. | ||
So all pay-per-views now are bought through ESPN. Yes. | ||
Whoa, I didn't know that. | ||
I thought it was just like some... | ||
No, it's all of them from now on. | ||
So you have DirecTV, tough shit. | ||
You got to get it through ESPN+. I think it's a good move because I think in the future that's where everything's going to be. | ||
I think the UFC just got way ahead of it. | ||
Whereas most people are still boxing matches and shit. | ||
You're getting most of them. | ||
You're getting them off of pay-per-view on DirecTV or cable or whatever the fuck you use. | ||
But now they're using that DAZN. DAZN has a lot of fights you get from that app. | ||
A lot of boxing matches. | ||
They're the ones who signed Canelo to that huge, huge deal. | ||
They signed Triple G. So they're doing a lot of streaming shit, too. | ||
Yeah, I saw a commercial with him the other day at Dave& Buster's with Tracy Morgan, I think. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, streaming, I think, is the future. | ||
And I think that's why DAZN got way ahead of it. | ||
And then ESPN Plus is getting way ahead of it, too. | ||
I think they see where the writing on the wall is. | ||
Yeah, just from here to there. | ||
It's going to take a little bit of time. | ||
Everybody's used to just pay-per-view, direct TV, you know, or whatever, Comcast. | ||
People are going to get used to having their TV connected to the internet. | ||
There's a lot of fucking people that don't have their TV connected to the internet. | ||
I'm one of them. | ||
Yeah, once people start using Apple TV and connect through that and get the app through Apple or use Android or whatever the fuck they use to get online, it'll be normal to have that on your TV in five years. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But right now it's rough if you don't have that and you want to see the fights. | ||
Or if you come from the Stone Age like me and you got to go to the internet labyrinth, it gets crazy, man. | ||
Yeah, I wonder how the pay structure works. | ||
Say if you get a title fight. | ||
Say you beat Askren and then you get a title fight with Usman. | ||
How do they do that with ESPN +, as opposed to pay-per-view points or something like that? | ||
That's so true, man. | ||
How does that work? | ||
Yeah, look at you. | ||
You're in pain. | ||
No, I'm using brain power. | ||
That's what I'm saying. | ||
That requires energy. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's why there's this gentleman by the name of Abraham Kawa. | ||
I let him deal with all that, man. | ||
It's a good move. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Let Abe handle it. | ||
Yeah, he's been there, done that, and negotiated bigger contracts than mine. | ||
So just, hey, bro, take care of this one, you know? | ||
Now, this Askren fight, you're fighting him in July. | ||
What is that, July 6th? | ||
Yes, sir. | ||
How much of a camp do you give yourself? | ||
How much of a fully dedicated, just all-in camp? | ||
If you look at him from a skill set, Ben's not even worth waking up before like 10 a.m. | ||
in the morning. | ||
But I don't like this dude, man. | ||
Before my alarm goes off, I'm already awake. | ||
I want to break his fucking face, man. | ||
I want to break his fucking rib cage. | ||
And I don't want to knock him out early on. | ||
I just want to torture that guy, man. | ||
If I get the chance to torture him for 14 minutes and 50 seconds before I stop him, that's what I'm going to do, man. | ||
I just don't like this dude. | ||
I met him a long time ago. | ||
He's a fucking prick, man. | ||
I don't like him, man. | ||
There's not too many people that I genuinely dislike. | ||
He's one of them, you know? | ||
If I was to see him right now, probably wouldn't be too friendly of a greeting, you know? | ||
Now, do you base this on how he talks shit and just plays around, tries to hype things up, or have you had a real conversation with him? | ||
Combination of things. | ||
I'm the type of dude that, if we train, you go to American Top Team Joe, and let's say I get lucky and I tap you out twice. | ||
I'm not going to ever tell nobody that because that's not my glory moment. | ||
That's just fucking training. | ||
I don't give a fuck about that. | ||
I already forgot about that. | ||
But there's some people that violate that man code of gym. | ||
They go, I went to American Top Team. | ||
He's that type of pussy. | ||
He's talking about gym stores. | ||
He came over to American Top Team after I dumped him on his head. | ||
We kept wrestling. | ||
He outscrambled me and he said, yeah, you beat me wrestling. | ||
We were straight wrestling. | ||
Two-time national champion. | ||
You're proud of that? | ||
You're telling people that? | ||
And that just shows me his character. | ||
He's not who he pretends to be. | ||
And then he talks so much online that I could have respected him a little bit if he had held to his guns, but I see him in London. | ||
And as soon as I see him, I start walking towards him. | ||
He goes, hey, man, I'm going to spare you. | ||
I'm not going to say nothing until after your fight. | ||
Ben, don't do me no fucking favors, bro. | ||
You're not doing me no favors. | ||
Say whatever the fuck you want when you want it, you know? | ||
And I addressed him, and I went up to talk to him, and UFC got involved. | ||
He put his head down, and they escorted him out of the hotel, and he never came back to that hotel, you know? | ||
And he actually wished me good luck at some point, too, like right before. | ||
Like, why are you doing this, man? | ||
You're not that person on social media that you portray to be. | ||
You're not, you know? | ||
So you're fake as fuck. | ||
You're selling something to the public that is not there, obviously. | ||
And you're a coward. | ||
Fuck it. | ||
Let's throw that in there too. | ||
And if people don't believe me, tune in July 6th. | ||
I'll show you how much of a coward he is. | ||
Just to play devil's advocate. | ||
Don't you think that what he's doing is smart marketing? | ||
To play devil's advocate. | ||
I know you don't like it. | ||
I know you don't like it. | ||
But to play devil's advocate. | ||
But it's corny though. | ||
When he looks back, it's corny. | ||
Like ain't nobody going, oh! | ||
He just wants validation. | ||
He wants to be accepted, you know? | ||
I think half of what he's doing is corny on purpose. | ||
All that boom roasted shit. | ||
Come on, man. | ||
Half that stuff is corny on purpose. | ||
No, no, no. | ||
That guy, you haven't seen him and you haven't hung around with him. | ||
That guy's just fucking corny. | ||
It's in his DNA, bro. | ||
I like him. | ||
I like talking to him. | ||
He's a smart motherfucker. | ||
I might be smart, man, but he's a corny motherfucker, bro. | ||
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You know? | |
And he's cocky for all the wrong reasons. | ||
I just can't wait, man. | ||
I love the fact that you're a purist like this, though. | ||
I really do. | ||
I want to hurt that, dude. | ||
I know you do. | ||
I want to hurt that, dude. | ||
It's going to be a great fight. | ||
It's one of those interesting fights because you've got good wrestling, takedown defense. | ||
You've got very good wrestling. | ||
You've got very good takedowns yourself. | ||
But you clearly have a big advantage in striking. | ||
So it's one of those, can he impose his will? | ||
Can he get a hold of you? | ||
You shouldn't get a hold of these fucking nuts, man. | ||
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This dude, bro. | |
I just-- I've had numerous people talk shit to me in the past, but they'll say it to my face, and man, I gain respect for you. | ||
Cool, bro. | ||
I'm a punk or whatever you call it. | ||
You said it to my fucking face, you know? | ||
But you say it online. | ||
It's just the whole way it gets said about it. | ||
You say it online, and then when you see me, what's up? | ||
Hey, how are you? | ||
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Picture? | |
Picture me? | ||
Are you fucking kidding me, man? | ||
What the fuck is it? | ||
I feel like I've been brought out from a twilight zone, from a different dimension sometimes. | ||
Because a lot of these rapper fighters that you see acting like criminals on the social media, when they see me, hey, what's up, bro? | ||
Let me get a picture of how I fucking fanboyed out. | ||
I go, man, I could have sworn you were just mentioning my name saying some shit, bro. | ||
That's fucking nuts to me. | ||
It blows my mind. | ||
Right. | ||
I'm such a simpleton, bro. | ||
It just blows my mind every time. | ||
No, you're a purist. | ||
I don't know if it's a pure or simple. | ||
I don't know where you want to put me, but it's mind-blowing. | ||
You just don't want to play that game. | ||
You're not interested in that game. | ||
It's mind-blowing. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Listen, Khabib's not interested in that fucking game either. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
When he was on top of Conor, let's talk now. | ||
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Bam! | |
Let's talk. | ||
Come on, Conor. | ||
Let's talk. | ||
Let's talk now. | ||
I love that shit. | ||
Same shit. | ||
Purist. | ||
I love it. | ||
I love that shit, bro. | ||
I do. | ||
I appreciate when that shit-talking has consequences. | ||
I like some shit-talking though. | ||
It's fun. | ||
I like shit-talking when you back it up. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Back that shit up. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Now you see me in a hallway lobby and fucking run to security and get escorted out. | ||
Who's the guy you fought in the past you had the most beef with before you actually fought? | ||
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I don't know. | |
I never really had like... | ||
Real beat? | ||
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Nah. | |
So not like this fight? | ||
Like Till and you went back and forth a little bit, right? | ||
No, no, no. | ||
No? | ||
We went back and forth like, hey, you want to fight? | ||
Yeah, let's do it. | ||
All right, fuck it. | ||
Boom, boom, boom. | ||
But we never... | ||
But it was pretty respectful. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Till's a cool dude, man. | ||
What about Cowboy? | ||
I mean, yeah, a little bit of beef, you know? | ||
Nothing crazy. | ||
Like, if I see him in the street, we're going to start fucking fighting or nothing, you know? | ||
Is that what you mean by, like, beef or just, like, we're going back and forth? | ||
Yeah, like talking shit to each other. | ||
Yeah, me and Cabo, yeah, you're right. | ||
Me and Cabo, we're talking a lot of shit back and forth to each other, you know? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's coming from genuine places, from both sides, you know? | ||
So it was good. | ||
It gave that fire, you know? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, that's definitely one. | ||
It came from, like, a little bit of hostility. | ||
But not like this Askren one. | ||
I respect the cowboy going into that fight, you know? | ||
Obviously, I think he's a fucking stud, bro, and he proves it again by having the most wins, most knockouts, submissions. | ||
Dude's a stud. | ||
I don't think Askren's even yet to get a win in the UFC. I just think about it like, if I had fought Robbie Lawler, which was a great champion and has done amazing things in the sport since the start of Robbie till now, the guy's still fighting, man. | ||
I remember watching him in the UFC back in the day, knocking out Tiki. | ||
UFC 37 and a half. | ||
What the fuck? | ||
That's what he came along. | ||
37 and a half. | ||
This guy's still fucking laying people the fuck out. | ||
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Still. | |
It looked amazing. | ||
It looked, yeah. | ||
It looked fucking amazing. | ||
It looked amazing physically when he hoisted Askren up the air and dumped him on his head and then started just driving his fucking knuckles through his brain. | ||
And it shows you how tough Askren is. | ||
The dude's durable as fuck, man. | ||
He handled that. | ||
He's built for survival. | ||
Even by his body type, you can tell. | ||
Physiologically, he's just built for a guy like me to put him under the radar. | ||
Like, oh, this guy's not a threat. | ||
Look at him. | ||
You know? | ||
But it's not going to work. | ||
I already know what to do to this guy and just fucking hurt him, man. | ||
Even the way he's fucking built is for patheticness, man. | ||
But let's skip the subject, man. | ||
Let's go to somebody else, man. | ||
Make this guy famous on your show. | ||
That's too late. | ||
Too late, yeah. | ||
Well, listen, man. | ||
When they put his picture up on the marquee, he gets a big pop. | ||
It's crazy. | ||
People love Askren. | ||
I guess. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I haven't seen that. | ||
They loved him before he fought in the UFC, too. | ||
I've never seen that because I saw him in England. | ||
Man, in England, they didn't fucking hate his ass, man. | ||
They were booing him out of the fucking stage and shit. | ||
Because he looks like he belongs there. | ||
Right? | ||
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He looks like, ah, you left us, lad. | |
He looks like an English guy, doesn't he? | ||
I guess, man. | ||
I mean, doesn't that, like, what do you think his nationality is, Askren? | ||
He looks like he probably has some English in him. | ||
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Yeah, sure. | |
Curly hair? | ||
A lot of English dudes have curly hair. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You gotta admit that the dude's got a wild-ass wrestling style. | ||
Wrestling style. | ||
It's funky, yeah. | ||
Yeah, it's very unusual. | ||
Very effective. | ||
You know he's gonna have that wrestling match with Jordan Burroughs. | ||
He's gonna get smashed up. | ||
Is that before or after yours? | ||
I think it's before. | ||
Does that concern you? | ||
He might get injured doing that? | ||
I don't give a fuck. | ||
If he does, that's because he faked the injury out. | ||
He knows what he's doing. | ||
He's a big boy. | ||
If you're going to fight Joel Romero, one of your teammates might come over to you and tell you, hey, man, I think you should fake the injury. | ||
I know Joel Romero. | ||
Just fake the injury and cop out of that fight. | ||
You don't want no problems with that guy. | ||
That might be what he's trying to do. | ||
Who knows, man? | ||
Damn. | ||
That fucking 185-pound division with Romero in it. | ||
What a division now. | ||
Now with Stylebender and Gastelum, and then Stylebender's going to fight Whitaker. | ||
I hope Yoel fights Boricina. | ||
They're supposed to fight, right? | ||
Paulo Costa, they're supposed to fight. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I know he's going to fight Jacare, then Joel got hurt. | ||
And Yoel was supposed to fight Paulo first. | ||
But then someone got hurt there. | ||
It might have been Paulo. | ||
But Paulo's healed up again. | ||
And the Jacare fights out. | ||
And so they set a new fight up for Jacare. | ||
So Jacare's got an opponent. | ||
And now Yoel doesn't. | ||
Man. | ||
It's a fucking crazy division though. | ||
That division's a real shark tank. | ||
To tell you the truth, I would like to see Joel fight for the title. | ||
Because I feel like... | ||
Not to take nothing away from Whitaker, because I think he's one of the baddest dudes on the planet. | ||
I feel like Joel won. | ||
I feel like Joel won. | ||
The second fight. | ||
The first fight, straight up, Whitaker won. | ||
The second one, I straight up thought Joel won. | ||
I was actually there in his corner. | ||
And I was like, oh, we got this. | ||
Wow. | ||
He won the third round, won the fourth, won the fifth. | ||
And also with the new scoring. | ||
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Significant damage. | |
Yes, with the new damage. | ||
Significant damage. | ||
I don't know if they used the new scorecards, the new scoring method, but if they did and he didn't win, then it's a real travesty. | ||
But he had him hurt. | ||
There wasn't no 10-8 rounds, no 10-7 rounds. | ||
That's the big difference in that fight, in my opinion. | ||
Robert Whitaker for sure scored. | ||
He fought well. | ||
He won rounds. | ||
But when Yoel hurt him, he really fucking hurt him. | ||
And there was no moments like that for Whitaker where he had Yoel staggered and almost out. | ||
Whitaker's a fucking beast, though, man. | ||
Super intelligent dude, I think, when he fights, man. | ||
Him and Stylebender's gonna be very unusual, because that's a big step up to go from Stylebender to go from the very first fight in the UFC, which was only like a year and a half ago, all the way up to Robert Whitaker in a year and a half. | ||
It's amazing. | ||
It's an amazing step up. | ||
Whitaker's... | ||
Something special. | ||
And he's another guy that was 170, just cutting way too much weight, couldn't do it, went up to 185 and really found his own place. | ||
So many guys, I think, they're in that category where they'd be healthier if they went up. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
But when you saw Holloway versus Poirier, did you get the impression that really Holloway should stay at 145? | ||
Yes and no, because I know personally DP, so I know he packs a punch. | ||
So I don't think it's like, oh, your career at 55 is done, Max. | ||
No, you fought one of the more clever, powerful punchers. | ||
One of the better boxers. | ||
Yeah, one of the better boxers. | ||
And to the knit and grit of it, man, DP is like a brawler. | ||
He likes to brawl, but an intelligent one. | ||
He wants to hit you as much as he can without getting hit. | ||
Very greedy, you know? | ||
And I think it was just a bad fight for Max. | ||
I think Max could fucking... | ||
There's a lot of guys Max murders at 155, I think, you know? | ||
I think so, too. | ||
I think so, too. | ||
But I think at 145, he's almost unstoppable. | ||
Yeah, I don't even know how he makes 145. I don't know how he makes it either, but when he gets down there, man, he's just something special. | ||
It doesn't seem to diminish him in his performance. | ||
I'll give you a look at his performance against Ortega. | ||
He can make it. | ||
He can make that weight. | ||
And once he gets there, man, good luck catching up. | ||
That gas tank of his... | ||
Incredible. | ||
It's incredible. | ||
Footwork, timing, the fakes that he throws and then he switches up and then he explodes and then he fakes, fakes and he explodes. | ||
I love his rhythm and balance. | ||
Yeah, very, very great at distant management and also switching stances and being creative and always giving you a different look. | ||
Yes. | ||
He's amazing, man. | ||
He's a special guy. | ||
He really is. | ||
He's in my pound for pound in this, you know. | ||
Mine as well. | ||
And he takes a loss like a fucking man. | ||
I mean, just takes that loss so well. | ||
You know, he's like, hey, it is what it is. | ||
He's a great champion. | ||
He beat a champion. | ||
You know, I'm still the champ at 145. He's like laughing and shit. | ||
Like, he took it. | ||
He gave everything he had. | ||
He came up short. | ||
No excuses. | ||
And full respect to Dustin. | ||
It was great, man. | ||
Maybe a year or two from now, he can run him back. | ||
100%. | ||
Hey, he's only 27. Yeah. | ||
That's even crazier. | ||
Already the best featherweight of all time. | ||
One of the best pound-for-pound fighters, for sure, on the planet Earth. | ||
Only 27. Yeah, man. | ||
He's good. | ||
And his grappling defensively is pretty fucking good, too. | ||
He throws those chokes up and shit. | ||
Yep, yep, yep. | ||
He can do everything. | ||
Scary dude, man. | ||
Yeah, he does everything. | ||
He really does. | ||
I mean, it's an amazing time for the sport. | ||
It really is. | ||
There's so much talent right now. | ||
I wish they still had the 25th division. | ||
I like that division. | ||
Well, they still kind of do. | ||
I mean, Benavidez is still trying to set up something. | ||
And if Cejudo goes up and beats Marlon Marais and decides to still defend his 125-pound title... | ||
That's a huge fight. | ||
That's a sick fight. | ||
Marlon's a scary cat. | ||
Yeah, he's a scary cat. | ||
But so is Sejudo. | ||
Oh, yeah? | ||
Wow. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
I remember when Sejudo won that gold medal. | ||
We were watching. | ||
We were already fans of him and stuff. | ||
And he came over to American Top Team not long afterwards. | ||
And he was already working out. | ||
And he said, no, I'm going to keep wrestling, but I want to fight eventually. | ||
And I remember watching this guy work out. | ||
He was like, maybe... | ||
I think he's the youngest gold medalist ever in at least American history. | ||
I don't know if all wrestling history. | ||
So I remember watching him work and I was like, man, that dude one day will do something big in the sport if he commits to it the way he did the wrestling. | ||
And sure enough, he's done fucking huge things, you know? | ||
Well, the way he took out TJ, I definitely thought it was an early stoppage, but I definitely thought TJ was fucked. | ||
He was in a bad place. | ||
And if Cejudo, if they just let it go for another 10-15 seconds, he might have shut the lights out on TJ. We don't know. | ||
But the fact that he just staggered him and just came out right off the bat and just started dropping bombs on TJ... I mean, that just shows, and again, backgrounds in wrestling, just shows you what an athlete he is and how quick he learns. | ||
When he fought Wilson Hayes, and all of a sudden he was fighting like a karate fighter, remember that? | ||
He was standing sideways, and then he drops, like, blitz right hands on him, like, what the fuck? | ||
Like, look at how he's fighting. | ||
The fact that he can incorporate all these different styles, too. | ||
He's something special. | ||
Endurance, power, speed. | ||
And success. | ||
You know, the first guy ever to be an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling and then a UFC world champion. | ||
He beats the best guy ever. | ||
The best guy ever. | ||
Ever. | ||
Ever. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
It's amazing. | ||
He's an amazing guy. | ||
That's another guy that you could write books on. | ||
Yep. | ||
Whoa. | ||
That's another scary fucker. | ||
Yeah, he's a special guy. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I hope he gets fucking... | ||
Paid over there at 1FC. That guy deserves it. | ||
I really do. | ||
And they have a deep talent pool over there. | ||
They have littler guys in Asia. | ||
You know, there's a lot of guys over there for them. | ||
And they got a lot of... | ||
I know they're bringing a lot of good Mu Thai guys. | ||
Which I know Mighty Mouse would just scoop them up, put them on their head. | ||
But it'd still be fun to see. | ||
Still be fun to see. | ||
Yeah, because those high-level Thai guys are fucking something else. | ||
And I think Mighty Mouse is entertaining the idea of having grappling matches over in 1FC. And even maybe possibly kickboxing matches in 1FC. Oh, shit. | ||
Because you know they do everything over there. | ||
Yeah. | ||
1FC has a fucking huge audience, man. | ||
You know, they're talking about 40, 80 million people are watching each event in Asia. | ||
No way. | ||
And all throughout the world. | ||
Yeah, it's giant. | ||
And they aired over here in America, too. | ||
I think it was on the Encore Network. | ||
I was flipping through the channels and it was on. | ||
I was like, whoa, okay. | ||
So it's on TV in America, too. | ||
I had no idea. | ||
Yeah, it was after the fact. | ||
It wasn't live. | ||
I mean, I think you could watch it live on Bleacher Report Live. | ||
There was a website, right? | ||
You could watch it on Bleacher Report Live the day of the event. | ||
And I think it was free. | ||
Wasn't it? | ||
I'll find that out. | ||
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Yeah, most of it. | |
I think it was. | ||
Yeah, I don't know, yeah. | ||
Anyway, it was free to watch the replay on television. | ||
And look, they got fucking high-level athletes. | ||
That guy, Nasty Ukin, who knocked out Eddie Alvarez. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
That guy's legit as fuck. | ||
If you could take out Eddie Alvarez like that, you're legit as fuck. | ||
They got some Thai guys too that are scary with stand-up. | ||
225 fucking Thai fights. | ||
How about Yatsin Klai? | ||
How about they got Yatsin Klai fighting with MMA gloves on? | ||
Almost illegal, man. | ||
That's not fair, man. | ||
He's so dangerous to let him fight Thai style, but with MMA gloves. | ||
It's like... | ||
I love it, man. | ||
I fucking love that. | ||
Because now they get to work their grips a little better. | ||
Maybe their takedowns are going to come out a little better. | ||
And the shell does not work as well. | ||
Yeah, exactly. | ||
The shell. | ||
The hands sneak through little spots. | ||
And that's what happened with him and Andy Sauer. | ||
And with our gloves. | ||
That's what happens when these high-level strikers come into high-level MMA. They think they're safe when you're fucking not. | ||
You're not safe. | ||
Perfect example is Gokhan Saki and Khalil Roundtree. | ||
Roundtree just snuck that beautiful straight left right down the pipe. | ||
He dropped him. | ||
Did you see Roundtree in his last fight? | ||
No. | ||
Holy shit! | ||
Against Eric Anders this weekend? | ||
No, I didn't. | ||
Holy shit, dude! | ||
Fucking... | ||
Holy shit! | ||
Massacre? | ||
Pissed to shut out. | ||
It was the best he's ever looked. | ||
He went to Thailand. | ||
Apparently, after he got knocked out by Johnny Walker, he got hit with an elbow in the clinch and decided he really needed to work on his clinch game. | ||
So he moved to Thailand. | ||
And he was there for the entire camp... | ||
Put all this shit up on his Instagram, all these videos and training footage. | ||
He looks sensational. | ||
But when you see him live against Eric Hamm, he came out like a Thai guy, light on the front leg, hands up, and just brutalized him. | ||
Brutalized him. | ||
Pitched a fucking shutout, man. | ||
Against Anders, who's a savage. | ||
We knew Roundtree was good, but there was just a giant leap between the Roundtree of pre-Thailand and post-Thailand. | ||
The most I've ever seen a guy improve in two fights. | ||
Amazing. | ||
Look at the significant strike differential. | ||
63 more significant strikes he landed. | ||
But it was the way he did it, man. | ||
It was the highest significant strike differential. | ||
That's crazy. | ||
Oh, that's from that event. | ||
That's all good and everything like that, but it was what it looked like. | ||
His switch kick to the inside thigh was insane. | ||
It was so fast. | ||
He's such a big guy, man. | ||
205, man. | ||
Yeah, as fast as he was, no telegraphing, anything. | ||
It was like... | ||
Like, over and over again. | ||
And he was, you know, all Thai style. | ||
It was really interesting to watch, man. | ||
He just embraced it and came out way better. | ||
It was a surprise when he got Gokhan like that, you know? | ||
But I also knew it could happen because it's not kickboxing. | ||
And I think Gokhan's a stud kickboxer, man. | ||
That guy is fucking good at kickboxing, man. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
For his weight, the shit that he does, he moves like a 55-pounder, you know? | ||
Yeah. | ||
I was surprised I didn't see that, you know? | ||
Roundtree has a ridiculously fast straight left. | ||
He caught Anders with it a bunch of times, too. | ||
He dropped him at least three times. | ||
His background is wrestling? | ||
No, he's a striker. | ||
Yeah, his background is striking. | ||
He's a beast, man. | ||
It'll be a while before anybody's excited about anybody fighting Jon Jones. | ||
Because it's like, what do you got? | ||
You know, you got a dude who's just... | ||
There's certain guys, like, remember when Anderson was in his prime and, like, who are you going to throw at him? | ||
There was nobody there. | ||
Until Weidman came along, everybody that they threw at him, you're like, hmm, what's Anderson going to do to this dude? | ||
When's Anderson going to knock out Yushin Okami? | ||
When's he going to connect on this guy? | ||
I think we're in that situation now with John. | ||
We got the Tiago Santos fight that's coming up. | ||
It should be interesting. | ||
But the interesting thing is that Santos is a murderous striker. | ||
Is he going to be able to connect? | ||
That's what makes it interesting. | ||
I think Jones has some of the best defense. | ||
The best. | ||
Both wrestling, grappling, and striking. | ||
Just doesn't get hit. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Distance. | ||
Side kick to your fucking kneecap is no longer there. | ||
And then when you're fucking thinking about that side kick, boom! | ||
Left elbow to the eye orbital. | ||
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Yep. | |
It's a tough puzzle. | ||
He's not light on his feet. | ||
He's just right there in front of you like an unmovable force. | ||
He's just going to stand right there in front of you. | ||
He's not going to go back or nothing. | ||
He's just... | ||
And if he catches you catching a break, you're trying to take a breath of air. | ||
Whap! | ||
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Whap! | |
Starts pouring it on you. | ||
Starts kicking your legs, front kicking you in the body, over and over. | ||
He sees you slowing down. | ||
He's a predator, man. | ||
I wish, like, they could make a science experiment, make Mighty Mouse 205, make that fight happen. | ||
Or shrink Jon Jones and make that fight happen. | ||
Yeah, no shit, right? | ||
No shit. | ||
That would be crazy. | ||
That would be crazy. | ||
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What do you got? | |
See, the thing is, no 205-er can move like Mighty Mouse moves. | ||
You would have to see, how can Mighty Mouse move at 205? | ||
Because the thing about him is there's no gravity. | ||
There's no gravity fucking with him. | ||
When he's 125, he's fucking cutting angles, and he's, whoop, where is he? | ||
Whip! | ||
He's on your legs. | ||
He can do everything. | ||
But his technique, though, is awesome. | ||
When I see him doing the things, he kicks like a fucking tight dude. | ||
Shoots a double leg like a fucking good wrestling dude. | ||
It's not just an athletic guy that's explosive. | ||
Everything is done just right. | ||
Same thing with John. | ||
He's got great technique everywhere. | ||
Yeah, I mean, Matt Hume has produced some great fighters, but then there's Mighty Mouse. | ||
He's produced some great talent, but then there's Mighty Mouse. | ||
He stands way out. | ||
And you've got to wonder, is it Mighty Mouse? | ||
Is it Matt Hume putting more emphasis on him? | ||
Is it a combination of things? | ||
Because usually when you get a guy that's that good, you get a gym that starts producing multiple champions like that. | ||
Usually, right? | ||
Pancration's not known for having that kind of talent other than him. | ||
Josh Barnett? | ||
Yeah, Josh Barnett came from there. | ||
But Josh's trained everywhere now. | ||
Josh started his career there, but he's basically been everywhere. | ||
Is Matt Hume open to the public? | ||
I think so. | ||
I think he has regular classes, the whole deal. | ||
But I know he gave a lot of specialized attention to Mighty Mouse. | ||
Also, he just felt like Mighty Mouse was a real sponge. | ||
He really learns well. | ||
Yeah, for a fact. | ||
That guy does everything good, man. | ||
What do you think you're going to do when you retire? | ||
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I don't know yet. | |
You don't think about it at all? | ||
I do think about it. | ||
The main thing is make sure that before I'm retired, my kids are set for life. | ||
With their universities, with their houses, all that stuff. | ||
That's number one goal. | ||
Then when I retire, I don't know, I got a lot of options I could do. | ||
You know? | ||
I got to see which one I'm going to like the most. | ||
Because whatever I'm going to do, obviously nothing I'll love as much as fighting. | ||
Nothing will make me wake up at 6 in the morning to go fucking run. | ||
Nothing will have that love in me. | ||
When you ask about the longevity, it's just because I love it so much. | ||
I don't have to work for it. | ||
I just... | ||
I love it. | ||
I love what I do. | ||
Even hitting the bag for 35, 40 minutes, sometimes it's so fucking boring and monotonous. | ||
But if I got the right music going on, got me a little bit of water, let's do it. | ||
I'm going to have fun doing it. | ||
So I got to just find something that my heart is solely in and I'm having fun. | ||
I still haven't figured out what that is. | ||
Maybe skiing. | ||
Every time I go skiing, the skiers are trying to recruit me. | ||
They're like, yo, who is this guy, man? | ||
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This guy. | |
We need this guy over here on our team to wear it. | ||
Maybe skiing, man. | ||
That shit gets my blood pumping, you know? | ||
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Really? | |
You like skiing? | ||
I fucking love it, man. | ||
I hate it. | ||
I love that shit. | ||
I always worry about falling. | ||
That's your problem. | ||
That is my problem. | ||
It's fucking snow, man. | ||
Nothing's going to happen. | ||
You've been kicked in the head. | ||
I know, but everybody I know has had their fucking ACL torn apart. | ||
I've already had two knee reconstructions. | ||
So when I go down the hill, I'm like, don't get hurt. | ||
Don't get hurt. | ||
Don't get hurt. | ||
Didn't get hurt. | ||
That's so crazy how brains think, because I'm thinking, there's no way I can get hurt when I'm on those things. | ||
I'm just fucking going as fast as I can. | ||
Oh, you're one of those guys. | ||
Yeah, I'm like, there's no way I can get hurt. | ||
It's fucking snow. | ||
But you can definitely get hurt. | ||
Yeah, definitely. | ||
I've had fucking... | ||
While I was standing still, like, past my friends, hey! | ||
I slowed down to say what's up, and just, like, some 70-year-old man didn't see that I'm stopped, not moving here, and just fucking hit me into the kneecaps. | ||
Good thing they're somewhat flexible, nothing tore, nothing. | ||
But it was, like, a good hit, though, you know, like a good little low kick out of nowhere, you know? | ||
I worry about that with my kids. | ||
Some Claude Hopper plows into my kids. | ||
Oh, but if they start young, though, forget about it. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
No, they're good. | ||
They're already doing Black Diamonds, little fuckers. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, but they're so low to the ground. | ||
They're tiny. | ||
You know, the little skis and shit. | ||
And no fear at that age either. | ||
No fear. | ||
Once they already fell in love once or twice, like, Dad, it's just snow. | ||
I watched some of those fucking men going down those hills, though. | ||
When they drop him off in the helicopter. | ||
Oh, my God. | ||
Oh, that's ridiculous. | ||
I watched a video the other night of a guy went down this mountain that no one's ever skied down before. | ||
They dropped him off at the top, and he had to climb the first couple of feet down with the skis on before he got to this open chute. | ||
I was like, what in the fuck are you doing? | ||
He's climbing. | ||
Like, you can't just ski. | ||
There's rocks everywhere and shit. | ||
That's crazy. | ||
Fuck you. | ||
That blows my mind. | ||
Yeah, go get a better hobby. | ||
It's ridiculous. | ||
Sliding down a mountain. | ||
I might end up in there one day. | ||
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You think so? | |
Not in no time soon, because those guys are a lifetime of skill, but I wouldn't take it off. | ||
I'd love to ski one of those crazy mountains that are just fucking super-duper steep and just rip it. | ||
One thing about skiing is you can do it when you're old. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Because this lady who was teaching my daughter, she was giving my daughter lessons, At the ski place, she was like deep into her 60s. | ||
She was skiing great. | ||
Well, they got technique technique, you know. | ||
They probably grew up in the snow. | ||
I started skiing when I was like 30, you know, so I got a lot of catching up to do. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
I just know too many. | ||
Like Ari, my friend Ari, he broke his wrist last year and he broke his ankle two years ago. | ||
He's always fucking himself up. | ||
Is that guy balls to the wall? | ||
I don't know. | ||
He probably has done mushrooms. | ||
That's a good time to ski, man. | ||
That's what I hear. | ||
That's the best time to ski. | ||
I know a couple people that have done it on mushrooms. | ||
They say you ski really... | ||
Yeah, you like it? | ||
What's the best thing about skiing on mushrooms? | ||
Well, it could go both ways because it fucks up your depth perception, you know? | ||
Oh, right, right, right. | ||
You don't know where the trees are. | ||
So the first time I did it, I was like super grandma, you know? | ||
Like everybody's like, what's wrong with you? | ||
I'm like, no, no, no, just leave me the fuck alone. | ||
Because the snow is all the same too, right? | ||
So now it just fucks with your depth perception so bad. | ||
Oh, you don't see like the divots in the snow. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
It fucks with you a lot. | ||
Because everything gets pixelated, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
Oh, you're really tripping hard then. | ||
Oh, man. | ||
And everything is like the same and I can't really see the bumps and then I don't see the bumps. | ||
I just feel them and I, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
All right, I'm going to need to tough this one out. | ||
Let's do it, you know? | ||
And then the next time I did it, I did a lot of, literal, less of a dosage. | ||
I had a blast, you know? | ||
Yeah, they say it's a micro-dose thing. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Just like, don't take like three grams. | ||
Take like a half a gram. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Something like that. | ||
Well, the first time I was doing the bro science, and it was like, oh, yeah, I think it's like four grams is cool, man. | ||
Let's go. | ||
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Yikes! | |
On a slight fast, you know? | ||
The problem with the vision thing, when you do the mushrooms and things get pixelated, where you see almost like a matrix around you. | ||
Yeah, I would imagine that that would fuck you up skiing. | ||
You wouldn't be able to see all the creases in the snow and shit. | ||
And then you just feel it all of a sudden. | ||
You're like, what the fuck happened? | ||
Do you ever snowboard? | ||
I did it for like half a day. | ||
That was pretty cool. | ||
But I used to ski like inline, like in parks, you know, like on ramps, on half pipes, rollerblades. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
Yeah. | ||
So I could like jump on rails and half pipes. | ||
And I could even do like a front flip on my skates, but this was when I was like 13, 14 years old. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
So skiing came very easy to me. | ||
Snowboarding, not so much because I didn't skateboard when I was a kid. | ||
I skateboarded as a kid, but I've never snowboarded. | ||
But the people that do it, they say it's easier to get better at snowboarding than it is to get better at skiing. | ||
They say it's like it's hard in the beginning, but once you get it, it's easier to get better at. | ||
Oh, okay. | ||
But when you fall, a lot of dudes fall, the snowboard goes up in the air, your feet are stuck on it, you land right on your fucking head. | ||
A lot of people get knocked the fuck out. | ||
Because you can't move your legs individually like you can if you're skiing. | ||
And you land on the tailbone a lot too, a lot of people tell me. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And if you're skiing and you land funky, the skis snap loose and you can move your legs around. | ||
No, snowboard is strapped in there. | ||
Yeah, you're strapped in. | ||
No, snowboarders and shit too. | ||
People go through the trees like fucking Silver Surfer. | ||
That's fun, man. | ||
That's a rush. | ||
The slowing down part with those seems different. | ||
Less options to slow down. | ||
Oh, I love all that shit. | ||
Anything that gets my heart pumping, man. | ||
Do you skydive or anything crazy like that? | ||
I haven't done the skydiving because I'm afraid of the landing. | ||
I've heard bad stories about the landing. | ||
How you are with the skiing. | ||
You got a couple buddies that got hurt. | ||
I got a couple buddies that got hurt on the landing of skydiving. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
I can't do that. | ||
I'm fighting still. | ||
As soon as I'm done fighting, whoo! | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Have you had any knee problems? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Numerous knee problems. | ||
I've torn the meniscus a couple times on both knees from wrestling practice. | ||
All from wrestling practice usually. | ||
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I'm sure. | |
Yeah. | ||
Did you get them scoped or what'd you do about it? | ||
Just rehab. | ||
I got a big fear of going to sleep by... | ||
Anesthesia? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah, I got a supreme fear of that. | ||
I don't want that in my life right now. | ||
I'm not ready for that. | ||
That's a sucky way to die. | ||
Go to sleep to get your knee fixed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
That's a wrap. | ||
See you in heaven. | ||
Tweet, tweet. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Not yet, not yet. | ||
So you've just basically, whatever meniscus tears you've had, you just dealt with it? | ||
Just rehab. | ||
And then I also heard from doctors, you don't really need a meniscus, it's just gonna fucking hurt like fuck, so. | ||
You don't really need meniscus? | ||
That's what they told me. | ||
Like, a lot of times, instead of scoping it, they cut it, you know? | ||
Like, I know a lot of athletes, they just cut it, you know? | ||
They cut pieces of it, yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Especially depending on, like, if it's a bucket-handled tear or how bad the tear is, you know? | ||
Like Mike Brown has. | ||
I know his meniscus cut. | ||
And he was the one that was telling me last time I fucked up my meniscus. | ||
He said, do not get a scope because then you're going to re-injury and you're going to be again through the whole thing. | ||
Get it snipped out. | ||
Get it cut, you know? | ||
So that's what he did? | ||
He just got it cut out? | ||
Yeah. | ||
All of it? | ||
Yeah, Joel Romero, same thing. | ||
I don't think Joel Romero has a meniscus. | ||
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Yeah, because I've had numerous problems with my meniscus, and I was about to go in and get the surgery, and I was asking everybody if I had the same problem, and I was like, fuck it, bro, I'm just going to rehab it out and just do rehab, and I did rehab for like four or five months, and it got better. | ||
Oh, wow. | ||
Four or five months, huh? | ||
Well, that was last year in 2018. That's what I did a larger part of the year, just heal up injuries that I had, you know, just getting better and better and better. | ||
So when you say, like, rehab it, what kind of rehab are you doing for your meniscus? | ||
What were you doing? | ||
Like, where you go to the place and the guy tells you, like, he'll hold the towel and do, like, things like this. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
Okay, different. | ||
Get on the phone, mats. | ||
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Physical therapy. | |
Yeah, physical therapy, you know. | ||
Right. | ||
That's what I did. | ||
What's your diet like? | ||
Man, I got many of diets. | ||
Many of diets? | ||
Like when you're in training. | ||
When you're training, not when you knock out Darren Till. | ||
I'm sure you ate like a wild animal. | ||
Yeah, for a fact. | ||
I got many of diets at all times, though. | ||
I just kind of, at 55, I used to have to diet so hard. | ||
Eight to ten weeks, I would have to diet to bring my body to like 173, 174, especially the last three, four years of my career, mixed with a lot of running. | ||
You know, at 70, I don't have to do that. | ||
So, I'm still kind of strict. | ||
I just stop eating after, like, a certain time. | ||
Like, 7 p.m., I stop eating. | ||
You know, I wake up. | ||
When's your last training session? | ||
Depends. | ||
It could be sometimes. | ||
I'll finish at around 10, 10.30, and I'll just drink. | ||
At night? | ||
Yeah. | ||
So, you don't need anything after you train? | ||
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No. | |
I just drink a shit ton of water. | ||
This is when I'm like, I'm training, training. | ||
I'm used to it, you know? | ||
Because I used to do it at 55 because I couldn't gain weight. | ||
So I just, let's say I went for a run at like 10 o'clock at night, finished at 12, I just get back, drink a shit ton of water, wake up, and then have my meal, you know? | ||
When I'm in training camp, one thing that I know is I don't like to have a big breakfast before I go train. | ||
It fucks me up. | ||
Really? | ||
Slows me down. | ||
The body's processing, all that shit. | ||
I just don't feel as accurate. | ||
I could just wake up and go to the gym and do fine. | ||
If I wake up, eat, chill, all that stuff, then go to the gym. | ||
It's not the same. | ||
I'm lazy. | ||
I'm like, ah! | ||
The energy. | ||
It takes your body to digest it. | ||
That's legit. | ||
Yeah, I always feel the same way. | ||
I think you're better off just eating a little bit of fruit. | ||
Yeah, exactly. | ||
A little bit of fruit, some coffee. | ||
Pineapple, anything with sugar, some coffee and go. | ||
I don't want my system actually having to dissolve things as I'm already training. | ||
That's why I'm surprised that you're running late at night and then you're not eating something and then you're going through the entire night with no food and then a light breakfast. | ||
And I'll burn right through it. | ||
I'm burning through fat in my sleep. | ||
Do you have a nutritionist that you consult? | ||
I had numerous ones. | ||
I had 155. I had numerous ones. | ||
And I took what each one gave me that was like, wow, this actually helped me for this or for this. | ||
And I've jotted those down on my book and I use those things still to this day. | ||
There's some things that I use. | ||
Then mixing with the stuff that I know works for me. | ||
I know for a fact, somebody, numerous nutritionists tell me, no, but that's wrong. | ||
You should just wake up at 6 in the morning, get a meal, and then at 8 in the morning, get another meal, and then by 10 o'clock, you're good to go. | ||
Nah, buddy. | ||
I'm just going to go to the gym, and I'm going to fucking feel amazing. | ||
I don't need all those extra fucking meals. | ||
And then after that... | ||
I pick out. | ||
And when I eat, man, it's almost a religious experience for me. | ||
I like to be very happy. | ||
So if we go to a place to eat, and I've never been there, and you're telling me this is the place right here, this is where you want to eat at, I'm getting everything on the fucking menu. | ||
It looks, I'll fill this fucking table up, and I'm going to try everything, and I'm going to know what's good at this place. | ||
I don't like to put restrictions when I eat, but I don't eat like that all day long, you know? | ||
So my one or two meals that I eat, they're powerful, you know? | ||
So real light, but when you eat a big meal, you just go hog, and then nothing after 7pm at night? | ||
Yeah, nothing after 7pm. | ||
Yeah, that's basically like intermittent fasting, really. | ||
You're mimicking that. | ||
And then I saw that, the intermittent fasting, and it started breaking down the details of it. | ||
Because where I got it from is that when I was at 55... | ||
Let's say I'd finish my workout at American Top Team. | ||
I'd finish at 178 pounds. | ||
Fuck, three weeks ago. | ||
Okay, I'd get back home. | ||
I'd eat a little something because I'd just finish doing a two-hour workout, and I'd put my sweats on and go run. | ||
I'd run 10, 11 o'clock at night, and I'd run for like an hour. | ||
I'd get back. | ||
I'd touch down to 172, maybe, 174. I couldn't eat. | ||
I just drink water. | ||
So I got used to that, that regimen of not eating after my workouts, you know, and feeling fine the next day, just a shit ton of water. | ||
Your body just got used to it. | ||
Yeah, maybe electrolytes or whatever. | ||
And then when those, the, the intermittent fasting diet or the, or the fasting came up and they put the science behind it, I'm like, Oh, no wonder it makes sense to me. | ||
You know, it's not that I'm a special mutant. | ||
It's there's a science behind this, you know? | ||
Yeah, it's actually healthy for you. | ||
I think so. | ||
Your body needs breaks. | ||
Hell yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Now, when you're doing strength and conditioning and things along those lines, how often are you doing that a week? | ||
It depends what stage I'm at in the fight. | ||
If I'm like 30 weeks out, obviously, or like 12 weeks out. | ||
Like right now, I'll lift weights, running, swimming, anything to just get my heart going. | ||
I do a lot of kettlebells. | ||
I like that. | ||
It's like a full-body workout. | ||
And it's kind of like almost wrestling, you know, when you're getting in there in the reps and it's heavy. | ||
If your technique's off, you just fucked up that rep. | ||
You wasted too much energy. | ||
You're not going to get to those projections you wanted to get. | ||
And I got lucky down at the gym that I trained. | ||
One of the kettlebell champions. | ||
He's a world champion. | ||
He's at the gym. | ||
So he showed me like a lot of technique and a lot of the grit behind it. | ||
And it's amazing. | ||
I mean, this guy does incredible things, you know? | ||
So it's huge for me, the kettlebells. | ||
I like them, you know? | ||
A lot of strength and conditioning too with my coach, Jesus Guy. | ||
We've been together for like 12 years, you know? | ||
Yeah, I'm a big fan of kettlebells as well. | ||
It's my favorite exercise tool. | ||
If I pick one thing, I would say, give me a chin-up bar and kettlebells and I'm good. | ||
Yeah, and grip, back, and then the sheer coordination of it, you know, pop them up in the air. | ||
Making the whole body work as one whole unit. | ||
And when you're tired and you can't fucking not concentrate because every one of those techniques, every one of those lifts has a severe technique behind it. | ||
And if you fuck up, man, you fuck up your back, your shoulder, you just throw your whole shit off, you know? | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
Now, what do you alter when you get closer to a fight? | ||
Like, what do you eliminate? | ||
Do you eliminate the weightlifting? | ||
Do you... | ||
The length of the training session, you know, as in when we're more out from the fight, we'll train for longer periods, two, three hours. | ||
You know, three hours is always the max, and maybe I'll do that twice in a day. | ||
You know, when I'm closer to the fight, maybe an hour and a half, tops, tops, two hours, and maybe two of those in a day, you know, and then that's it, you know. | ||
I'm also 34, so I don't like, uh, not when I was like 26 that I could fucking train 10 hours in one day and wake up the next day like nothing happened, you know. | ||
So now I just, I also listen to my body like, man, the last session beat me up, I'm going to do a one-hour session now, you know. | ||
Do you take your heart rate? | ||
Do you use heart rate variability monitors or anything like that? | ||
No, I don't even know what you just said right now. | ||
Old school. | ||
Yeah, people are doing that to see what their heart rate is when they wake up. | ||
Like if your heart rate's inconsistent, say if you have a resting heart rate of 40 beats per minute, then you wake up one day, it's 47, 48. That might indicate that you're overtrained. | ||
52, 53 would be a real good indication. | ||
And you would probably want to either do active recovery that day or just take the day off. | ||
Maybe even go for a light hike or something like that. | ||
Maybe I should invest in some of this stuff. | ||
There's a lot of thought behind that because sometimes people are getting sick and they don't realize it. | ||
They're just too tough and they just push through it. | ||
I feel flat today. | ||
But what's really going on is your body's fighting something off. | ||
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It makes perfect sense. | ||
Yeah. | ||
How much sleep are you making sure you get a night? | ||
For the larger part of my career, because I have sleeping problems really bad, I would sleep like four or five hours and be fucking perfect, man. | ||
Yeah? | ||
Be perfect. | ||
Never have a problem. | ||
As I started getting older, I've been trying to force myself to sleep. | ||
That's one big thing with my coaches and my management, because they know how I sleep. | ||
Like I'm fight week. | ||
I'd be up in the lobby 3 in the morning and then go to sleep, wake up at 8 in the morning. | ||
We gotta change this. | ||
So I've been trying to change that a lot. | ||
And I just try to put myself in bed early and then I just stay in there. | ||
I don't do nothing. | ||
The phone's already off. | ||
There's no TV in my room. | ||
I'm just chilling in there. | ||
But this isn't fight camp. | ||
This is not like year round. | ||
I'm just trying to go to sleep, however long that takes. | ||
Does American Top Team have a float tank? | ||
No, not yet, but great idea. | ||
They're working on it, aren't they? | ||
Dan, did you just hear Joe Rogan? | ||
We need the fucking float, bro. | ||
Get the float, man. | ||
Why did I think they did? | ||
Were they thinking about it at one point in time? | ||
Is that what was going on? | ||
They sure are now. | ||
Dan, get the fucking float. | ||
Joe needs to float. | ||
You know we love you, Dan. | ||
Get that fucking tank in there, baby. | ||
I'll hook you up. | ||
I'll get you to the right people. | ||
Float lab. | ||
Get the hookup from Joe now. | ||
Float lab in Venice. | ||
Shout out to the float lab. | ||
Yeah, the guy who put my tank in here. | ||
They're the best tanks, man. | ||
I'll show it to you afterwards. | ||
They're so ridiculously over-engineered, but when you get in them, man, you relax. | ||
Like, it changes your world. | ||
Those things are fucking awesome. | ||
I've done it, like, two or three times. | ||
You're fucking mind-blowing dope. | ||
Is there a good spot near you? | ||
No, not near me. | ||
On the road. | ||
Yeah, yeah, on the road. | ||
Two hours up north. | ||
That sucks. | ||
Yeah, Dan should open up a spot down there. | ||
I mean, it'd be great for fighters. | ||
As long as you keep them from jacking off in there. | ||
That's a problem. | ||
You get a little too relaxed. | ||
Certain guys that are already flagged like, nah, so-and-so can't come in these waters, man. | ||
You gotta evacuate my brother. | ||
You gotta have a passport for these waters, sir. | ||
Yeah, there's certain dudes that are just freaks. | ||
You gotta be careful with them. | ||
Athletic freaks and fucking... | ||
Yeah, freak freaks. | ||
Double freaks. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Well, you guys have how many people at your gym? | ||
You probably have one of the freakiest gyms ever in terms of talent, overall talent. | ||
How many fighters are there? | ||
I don't know, man. | ||
Sometimes I get to the pro classes and there's like 50 pro fighters on the mat, you know? | ||
That is crazy. | ||
40 pro fighters on the mat because the main mat and the other main mat are covered in the cages, covered in the square cage where I'm always training at, which fits like another 10 people. | ||
It's completely covered with pro athletes, you know? | ||
And that day we have the 11 o'clock to like 12.45 session and then a different session for like either the lighter or the bigger guys will come in at a different session, you know? | ||
And then we got guys throughout the day doing their individual training. | ||
So, it's just a crazy amount of time. | ||
How much of your time is spent doing group classes versus how much of it is time individual, specialized stuff, like, say, working on something, a combination of land on till, or, you know, what you're planning for Askren? | ||
Group classes will be more like... | ||
Well, I won't really learn... | ||
It's not that I can't learn too much, but I'm not... | ||
Like Mike Brown, for example, which is the guy that runs my camp at American Thompson. | ||
Great guy. | ||
Not only is he a great guy, but his brain is... | ||
He's like Elon Musk of fighting and shit, man. | ||
His ideas are fucking dope, solid, and way ahead of their time always. | ||
A lot of stuff that we're seeing now, Mike Brown's been preaching to us for a while. | ||
So he knows me pretty well. | ||
He knows, man, Masvidal can only do about two moves a day. | ||
So if he's going to show me something, he'll show me one to two moves tops. | ||
And I'm a driller. | ||
I'll just drill those moves as many times as it takes me for me to get them. | ||
And that's like my group setting. | ||
That's like, okay, go just drill this. | ||
And he knows that I need at least an hour of drilling with a brand new move for me to get it. | ||
And then after that, just go live with whoever's in the class, whoever they brought for me. | ||
Now, when you say you drill a lot, are you drilling a lot? | ||
Striking drills, MMA drills, wrestling drills, basically everything. | ||
You just constantly drill. | ||
I'm a driller. | ||
I drill a ton and I go live a ton. | ||
But I like to... | ||
Complimented with a lot of drilling. | ||
I just feel that I'm always at my best game when I drill. | ||
Now, sometimes I take away from drilling completely because I feel drilled out. | ||
Like, man, I've been drilling so much. | ||
I just want to go live now. | ||
You know, but I'm usually every day that I'm in a gym, I'm drilling a particular technique, you know? | ||
I think that's so important. | ||
Oh, super important. | ||
For every martial art, jiu-jitsu, anything. | ||
Martial arts, sport, you know, you're drilling your free throws or whatever it is. | ||
You have to just drill it until your body knows how to do it without thinking about it. | ||
Yeah, that's why when you see guys that just spar too much and all they want to do is spar, like, man, you're decreasing your chances of successing at the thing you're enjoying because you're just not spending enough time focusing on the fundamentals and techniques. | ||
Got to sharpen the tools. | ||
Yeah, and keep those tools, keep moving them around, keep adding to them. | ||
Of course. | ||
Driving guys fucking nuts. | ||
When you just drill and eventually you hit that 1,000 mark, It's not the same when you were doing it five or six times. | ||
I'm giving out too much wisdom now. | ||
These people are going to know what's up. | ||
But that's the way to do it is drilling. | ||
It's boring. | ||
So people don't enjoy it as much. | ||
It's not nearly as exciting. | ||
I'm the only sociopath. | ||
And you could ask Mike Brown. | ||
I enjoy drilling at a good pace, good speed, where we're just going. | ||
And it's almost like a live where I'm just drilling that move, but I'm giving all my energy into it. | ||
I love it, man. | ||
Well, you're also aware that that's going to bring you success. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Oh, of course. | ||
But I just love it. | ||
Making sure that my penetration step is right or my left hand was up when I threw my right hand and my coach goes, hey, good job. | ||
Do it again. | ||
Okay, bam. | ||
I fucking love it, man. | ||
Now, when you have a fight coming up, like say with Askren, are you watching footage on him? | ||
Nah, I don't watch footage. | ||
Mike Brown, Paulina Hernandez, Gallo, they'll watch footage and tell me what to do and what not to do, you know? | ||
Like for the Till fight, same thing, you know? | ||
Or maybe they'll send me like a clip that they wanted to see me, like when Woodley fought Till. | ||
They're like, look how Woodley countered him with this. | ||
Or look what Till did there. | ||
They sent me like little clips and I'll watch him, but to watch fights, no, I don't really watch. | ||
Like my opponents fight. | ||
Now what about recovery? | ||
Do you guys, do you get a lot of massage? | ||
Do you do ice baths? | ||
Do any shit like that? | ||
I do. | ||
I've always done ice baths in there throughout my career. | ||
Thanks to my good friend, Michael Miller, I try to do a lot more, which I still need to do more, you know, a good two, three times a week is when I feel like at my best. | ||
Sauna, I use it for recovery, you know? | ||
Especially after, like, a lot of the guests that you've had in your show. | ||
I've always done the sauna to cut weight. | ||
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And knew that it had great benefits in training in the sauna, but I didn't know the science behind it. | ||
Then you have, like, Dr. Ron, like, a Patrick come in, and it's, like, mind-blowing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Wow, this all makes sense. | ||
Why the sauna is so amazing. | ||
Why I feel great after I use the sauna. | ||
Maybe not immediately, because... | ||
After a two-hour wrestling practice or striking practice, and then you go in the sauna because you're, like, heavy, and they want you to work out in there, you feel like shit afterwards. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But surprisingly, the next day, I don't feel that bad or the day after that. | ||
And I just thought, nothing of it, you know, just fucking whatever, man. | ||
It's just, I feel good today. | ||
I had a great breakfast, I guess. | ||
But I started thinking about times that I was implementing the sauna a lot in my training regimen to times I wasn't, and I was like, wow, the sauna thing's amazing for everything, you know? | ||
Yeah, no, it's huge. | ||
It's giant for reduction of inflammation. | ||
There was that study that they did in, was it Norway or Sweden or somewhere, where they said there's a 40% decrease in mortality amongst all causes. | ||
Stroke, heart attack, cancer, everything. | ||
What? | ||
Yeah, 40% decrease in mortality for people that use the sauna. | ||
I think it was four times a week. | ||
For 20 minutes at a time at 180 degrees. | ||
I think that was the study that they ran. | ||
180 degrees? | ||
Yeah, which is normal temperature. | ||
Anywhere between 170 and 190s where a lot of people have their sauna set. | ||
But they said that in that hot range for 20 minutes, your body produces so many heat shock proteins that it helps with so many different health problems. | ||
Yeah. | ||
When I heard Miss Patrick say all those things, my fucking mind blew up. | ||
Yeah, it's crazy, right? | ||
I was like, I don't I'll never have to take pharmaceutical drugs. | ||
Nobody's ever going to tell me, you need these pills to survive. | ||
Right, right. | ||
And then people that hear this, do they doubt it? | ||
You know, they have one profiter telling you, Joe Rogan telling you, and they had a doctor telling you, you want to cure problems, just go in the sauna. | ||
Yeah, man, people with arthritis. | ||
And, you know, another thing that's great is cryotherapy. | ||
Cryotherapy is great for people with inflammation issues, too. | ||
Anything where you can get your body freaking out about temperature. | ||
Your body freaks out about temperature, whether it's cold or hot. | ||
Your body produces cold shock or heat shock proteins, and then that really helps your body reduce inflammation. | ||
That's fucking insane. | ||
You just feel better, too, right? | ||
You get out of there, you're like, ah, I just feel better. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Even when I be sucked out, like, man, I feel like fucking shit. | ||
I just lost fucking four or five pounds of water after a practice in the sun and you feel like shit. | ||
But then I take a bath and then go to sleep, wake up the next day feeling good, you know? | ||
I put the water back in the system, obviously, but I would just feel good. | ||
And I didn't quite know why this is happening, you know? | ||
Like, let's say I got kicked in my elbow. | ||
My elbow would blow up and then for some reason that day I had fucking 45 minutes of in the sauna because that's when my coaches thought I needed. | ||
The swelling would dramatically go down, but I wouldn't attribute it to that. | ||
I'd just be like, oh shit, that's crazy, bro. | ||
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I'm fucking Wolverine, you know? | |
Well, I'm sure B and Wolverine had something to do with it. | ||
But the sauna had something to do with it, too. | ||
Now, as you're getting, you know, you're one of the top contenders in the division now, and as things kind of heat up, are you having to do more media obligations before your big fights now? | ||
No. | ||
No? | ||
Because I just fucking say no, man. | ||
Do you? | ||
Yeah, man. | ||
I don't fucking... | ||
What if you get a fight for the title? | ||
They're probably going to make you do all that shit, won't they? | ||
You want this circus show? | ||
This is how it comes, buddy. | ||
You know, because I can't do all that shit. | ||
I'm going to fucking fly to LA, fly to New York, fly here. | ||
Wrecks you, right? | ||
I want to pay you. | ||
Now, don't get me wrong. | ||
I'm a fucking soldier for the money. | ||
Pay me for these fucking numerous TV outlet stores you got me going to and selling products. | ||
I'll do it, man. | ||
You know, and I don't want to sound like I'm not a company man, but I like to get paid for my services. | ||
If I got to be talking to numerous people, that's not what I signed up for. | ||
I signed up to punch people in the face. | ||
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Right. | |
Let's get that right. | ||
You know, if I got to give speeches out, giving out my secrets of wisdom, pay me some money for that. | ||
I'm cool. | ||
I'll do whatever you want then. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Well, it definitely takes away from you too. | ||
Yeah, it does. | ||
So much time, so much energy you have in this life. | ||
No, it definitely takes away. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Definitely takes away. | ||
And I feel also like the guys that are constantly putting stuff out there, right? | ||
Shit, man. | ||
People get bored of fucking just putting shit out there, you know? | ||
Certain people are putting certain things out there. | ||
They fucking gravitate to these things. | ||
This guy's not on a lot of talk shows or whatever. | ||
I want to hear what he had to say on this particular one. | ||
If you're constantly like, this guy's an asshole and this guy's an asshole, everybody already knows. | ||
The notification comes in, they already fucking put you on mute, you know? | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
And you did that to yourself. | ||
You got nobody to blame but yourself, you little Instagram whore. | ||
And I'm not talking about to the ladies. | ||
I would never talk to a lady like that. | ||
I'm talking about to the dudes that are fucking straight sluts. | ||
Yeah. | ||
To my ladies, I love you long time. | ||
Me loving you always. | ||
When you have been in the game as long as you have, and have been as successful as you have, you have information that is very valuable to young fighters. | ||
They can learn shit from you without having to experience a lot of the negative things that you've experienced. | ||
Some of the mistakes that you've made, some of the things you learned that were positive, you can teach people. | ||
But oftentimes... | ||
As fighters get older then retire, all that knowledge just goes away. | ||
It just gets lost because the fighters either don't become a coach or don't ever write it down or don't do interviews. | ||
I think a guy like you in particular, because you're a very crafty fighter, you have a lot of valuable information for young people, for young guys coming up. | ||
Oh, I do. | ||
I know it. | ||
And you know how I got that information? | ||
Putting myself in uncomfortable spots. | ||
I went to the University of Wyoming, which I loved that experience. | ||
It's higher than Colorado. | ||
And I'm with a D1 national program ran by Mark Branch. | ||
I mean, David Branch, I'm sorry. | ||
And Chris Pendleton. | ||
These guys are fucking studs and they let me come in there. | ||
I'm just some MMA fucking fighter, man. | ||
You know, and they let me come in there, stay with them for about a month and just wrestle and be a part of the program. | ||
So I learned what worked at the high level or not, because I might think when you get a single leg, I could backflip out of it. | ||
I might think. | ||
When I go over here to this university, I'm going to find that if it works or not. | ||
I did the same thing. | ||
I went to the University of Oregon, got to wrestle over there. | ||
I've done a lot of high-level boxing camps with good boxers, just being around them. | ||
Amateur world champions, gold medalists. | ||
In Miami, we're a hub for the Cuban crime wave of great boxers. | ||
We get all these guys that are Olympians that come in there, and I'd be at the gym with them. | ||
Picking their brain, getting beat up by them, learning since I was young. | ||
So for the boxing fundamentals, I got very, very lucky. | ||
I didn't even know what I had to me at that axis. | ||
I'd be working out with gold medalists, world champions. | ||
It was insane, you know? | ||
So one thing I would tell any young fighter, if you want to learn something, submerge in it. | ||
You know, if I want to learn jujitsu, I'm not going to go to Rex Kwon Do. | ||
I'm going to fucking go find the dopest jujitsu guy and get humbled. | ||
You know, a lot of people don't like to get humbled. | ||
I don't want to go with that guy. | ||
He's really good at wrestling. | ||
No, man. | ||
Shut the fuck up. | ||
Put the ego aside and go get humbled. | ||
Learn. | ||
Because the more time you put into that craft, eventually whatever is bad will get good if you put the time into it, you know? | ||
And a lot of people don't like to do that. | ||
And I think even more nowadays that I see on the mat now with the egos and the social media and like people filming and shit, there's a lot of pro fighters that I see sitting out that don't want to do the wrestling class because a couple wrestling studs just walked in through the door. | ||
So there's like two types of guys that when I see these All-American and National Champions, I'm like, whoa! | ||
Today's going to be a good practice. | ||
These guys are my weight. | ||
I better be on my A-game, man. | ||
I'm going to put some good music on. | ||
This shit's going to get crazy. | ||
Or there's the guys that when they walk in, they're like, nah, I don't need it. | ||
Anyways, I'm not fighting a wrestler. | ||
I don't need it. | ||
Me, I'm always hyped for the challenge to push myself to the fucking sheer limit and see what comes out of that. | ||
So you think a lot of it is just a mentality to embrace struggle and embrace difficult moments and embrace the opportunity to learn and grow? | ||
Yes. | ||
And unfortunately, in this sport, you don't have to get a concussion because in boxing, you don't take me wrong. | ||
You don't have to spar hard to be a good striker. | ||
You don't. | ||
But there's certain things like wrestling. | ||
You got to wrestle hard. | ||
You got to drill hard. | ||
Jiu-Jitsu, same thing. | ||
You got to drill hard. | ||
You're going with Marcelo Garcia. | ||
You're going to get fucking tapped a bunch of times. | ||
Guess what, buddy? | ||
Who cares, bro? | ||
Learn that humbling experience. | ||
Enjoy that. | ||
If you get a chance to roll with a guy like that, take full advantage of it. | ||
Nowadays, it seems like sometimes people don't want to do that. | ||
I'm in the mix a lot. | ||
I'm in one of the biggest gyms, and I see sometimes guys don't want to take those challenges in. | ||
Like a top-notch MMA fighter, go straight wrestling with some college wrestler, some high school kid that's just a stud at wrestling. | ||
Do that. | ||
Put yourself in that uncomfortable position. | ||
See what happens, bro. | ||
Do you think you'll ever be a coach? | ||
I could be. | ||
I got a couple amateurs that I got. | ||
I got my boy, Charlie Decker. | ||
He's also a friend and an amateur. | ||
He's doing good things in amateur. | ||
Now he's going to go pro. | ||
He's going to tear it up, man. | ||
One day, hopefully, he'll be in your show and get an interview. | ||
The guy's got a lot of talent. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I don't know if I'll be a coach. | ||
It's a full-time job. | ||
It's a full-time job. | ||
You got to be committed to somebody, right? | ||
If they don't have the same mentality that you had, you're going to get frustrated. | ||
Sometimes fighters don't like to pay, man. | ||
What are you going to do now? | ||
You got to collect from a fighter? | ||
Shit's going to get crazy, man. | ||
A lot of them don't like to pay. | ||
A lot of them don't like to pay. | ||
And you know something about me, Joe? | ||
I like money, man. | ||
If I work, I better get paid, man. | ||
Because if I don't get paid, it's going to be a fucking problem, man. | ||
It's going to be a fucking problem. | ||
But there's a lot of fighters that do pay and that are fucking amazing and that are the most straight-edge dudes, you know. | ||
Yeah, I mean, certainly a guy like you, if you ever did decide to be a coach, you would have a lot of choices. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But what I'm getting at is that, at the very least, you should write some of this shit down. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
It's written down. | ||
Is it? | ||
Yeah, we got the Street Survival series coming out. | ||
Volume 1, 2, and 3 is going to drop very soon. | ||
Books? | ||
Books, DVDs, everything. | ||
Everything's coming out. | ||
That's good to hear, man. | ||
I don't know when it's coming out, but it's coming out soon, though, man. | ||
You should write a book about your experience in music. | ||
Just going from the backyard fights that people could see on the internet with Kimbo to where you are today, it's pretty fucking incredible. | ||
Oh, it's amazing. | ||
That's what I mean. | ||
What an incredible rise to the top. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And you know what's something I can tell all the young fighters? | ||
Before anybody saw this, before anybody saw me on YouTube or anything, I saw it up here. | ||
I invested in myself. | ||
I believed in myself. | ||
That's why I put myself in these tough situations to go with the best wrestler in the workout room, the best striker from the world and just constantly get there because I knew the difference between me and them was only time. | ||
I just had to put it in time. | ||
Where'd you develop this mentality? | ||
Where'd you get it? | ||
Where'd I get it? | ||
Maybe God opened up my mind and just gave me the message of just growing up very humble and just fucking wanting certain things that I didn't have and just like, oh, I'm gonna get this. | ||
But understanding that really just takes work. | ||
Just really takes work. | ||
But really understanding it. | ||
Yeah, really just takes work. | ||
Yeah, it really takes work and it really takes the right mindset. | ||
Not just the work itself, but the way you're embracing difficult challenges. | ||
Instead of shying away from them to protect your ego, you're doing the opposite. | ||
God's too. | ||
It's the only way. | ||
It's the only way. | ||
In combat sports. | ||
In combat sports, yeah. | ||
Tennis, maybe there's another way. | ||
I'm not coaching tennis. | ||
Right. | ||
But as long as combat sports is you're not being set up, but someone's going to fucking murder you when you're first starting out. | ||
Exactly. | ||
With striking. | ||
That's not what you want. | ||
You don't want to get, yeah, you know, I've got 10 pro fights, your first day here and I break your nose, that doesn't do anything, you know? | ||
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Right, right. | |
But it's just embracing those challenges, whether it be running a mile in six minutes or drilling for two hours long, just two techniques because you're kind of dumb and you fucking got to just do it over and over and over and over. | ||
Embrace it, you know? | ||
I'm glad you're going to put some of this information out. | ||
I think this is something that, as I was saying, like a guy like you that's been in the game for a long, long time and you've learned a lot about what it takes to become a world-class fighter. | ||
That information a lot of times just goes away when that fire retires. | ||
I mean, so many fighters have retired and you don't really know too much about the process or what they learned. | ||
We got a documentary that's been filming for about three years, but we've had trouble when the UFC sold it to ESPN getting all the rights and things that go associated with dropping a documentary like that. | ||
And in that documentary, I told them from the start when we were going to do it, if we're going to do it, I want it done right and meaning I want a lot of control over it. | ||
And I want a lot of training, you know? | ||
I want a lot of the things that I do in training to get me in shape. | ||
Some people find it cool, some people won't. | ||
So in that documentary, there's a lot of just how I straight up train, you know, like a lot of the Cuban mythology that goes behind it from my coaches that are Cuban, what we like to do to prepare for the fight, how we break it down. | ||
Do you do different shit than people normally see? | ||
In the preparation? | ||
Yeah, actually. | ||
You know Joel well, you know? | ||
Sure. | ||
And stuff. | ||
Joel, my coach, which used to train Joel as well, and a lot of the Cuban community, they have a big... | ||
Especially if they grew up in Cuba, they have that big conspiracy theory like nobody else. | ||
Whenever I'm hitting pads or anything like that and I'm about to fight somebody, you will never see me do a technique on the pads that I will do in the fight. | ||
I shouldn't even say this because my coach is going to slap me in the face. | ||
You will never see me do anything that might resemble anything I do in the fight. | ||
And he lives by that. | ||
He's another guy that just shies away from cameras, hates cameras. | ||
He's always in my corner. | ||
He's got a yellow bandana or something yellow. | ||
He's been in my corner, Joel's corner, numerous guys' corner. | ||
And they're very secretive of the training. | ||
They think that everybody's watching. | ||
They are. | ||
They think America might invade Cuba still. | ||
They might. | ||
Who knows, right? | ||
So the training footage, they don't want that leaking out, you know? | ||
Most of my career have been like that. | ||
But for the documentary we opened up on a lot of things that we do for training, from reflexes to ways to recover, how we spar, how I set up the sparring, things like that. | ||
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What kind of shit do you do that's unusual? | |
Not unusual, I guess I would say, but I don't know. | ||
We could do like two hours of boxing, right? | ||
Just straight boxing. | ||
And we would just break down fundamentals. | ||
I would just do two hours, just straight basics, which is fucking boring. | ||
But it's just like endurance mixed with the technique, you know? | ||
We do also a lot of right from here, from this chair. | ||
We'll punch from here, hit the pads from here. | ||
From the chair? | ||
From the chair. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Just our core and arms. | ||
With the pads, with the gloves. | ||
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Hmm. | |
Just go five minute rounds. | ||
Without using your legs? | ||
Without using the legs. | ||
You try it out and you tell me how that feels, you know, it's fucking great, you know. | ||
Like right now for that I'm gonna get kicked in the fucking leg pretty hard, you know. | ||
He's, bro, when I tell you this man is secretive. | ||
How's he gonna feel about the documentary? | ||
He doesn't know how much he's getting into the documentary. | ||
Because he's very like, this is for us, you know, why would you release this while you're still fighting? | ||
Release this when you're done fighting type guy, you know? | ||
Why do you want to release it while you're still fighting? | ||
I mean, fucking, you can't stop the sun from rising. | ||
You're not going to stop me if you know my techniques, you know? | ||
It's not going to change anything. | ||
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That's what's coming is coming, you know, that's a beautiful way to look at it Listen brother. | |
I'm glad we got together and did this man. | ||
I appreciate you as a fighter You're an interesting cat and I wish you nothing but the best and I'm very excited to see that fight Try to reach all right Game bread What is it and game bread MMA? | ||
What is your bread fighter game bread fighter? | ||
And if you want one of these little three pieces of soda shirts... | ||
Oh, is that a three pieces of soda shirt? | ||
You made a fucking shirt after it. | ||
Made the shirt after it. | ||
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That's hilarious. | |
I gotta get paid because fighting does alright, but it doesn't really pay us how we should, you know? | ||
I hear you. | ||
Where did someone get that shirt? | ||
Three pieces of soda. | ||
Hold on, we'll figure this out. | ||
I actually know where to get these. | ||
So it's GameBreadFighter on Instagram, GameBreadFighter on Twitter. | ||
Same thing, right? | ||
Yes, sir. | ||
And GameBreadOfficial.com if you want your shirt. | ||
But at the end of this week, the website's fully running and stuff. | ||
You get all the shirts you want. | ||
Get yourself a three-piece in a soda, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
Thank you, brother. | ||
That was awesome. | ||
Yes, sir. |