Dec. 15, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Let's go live. | ||
| Five, four, three, two, one, and yee-haw! | ||
| Brendan Chobb. | ||
| What's up, dawg? | ||
| Did you buy those shoes yourself? | ||
| Yeah, I bought these. | ||
| A little too much flair for you? | ||
| It's summer, bro. | ||
| Confident move. | ||
| You get the tight pants around the ankles. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just riding high enough to see the Gucci shoes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I get it, bro. | ||
| Gucci denim, bro. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| What's up, bro? | ||
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I get it. | |
| It works. | ||
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It works. | |
| You can pull it off. | ||
| You were making fun of me. | ||
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I was saying, I bet your girls like these. | |
| Girls also like dick, though, man. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| Legit point, sir. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's so true. | ||
| Dude, how about these fights? | ||
| Oh my god, how about these fights? | ||
| How about I almost didn't see them, and I text you during the broadcast, the ESPN Plus thing was a nightmare, man. | ||
| Yeah, they had some hiccups. | ||
| That'd be an understatement. | ||
| That has happened before, with digital stuff. | ||
| In 2019 though, especially with ESPN though, that's where I was just shocked. | ||
| And me being like a super fan, I had to figure it out. | ||
| But you know how I had to figure it out? | ||
| Because it didn't work on any platform. | ||
| And it's a hiccup where you couldn't order it off the app, so you had to close the app, order it from a desktop, then shut down something, then go to your TV. It was a nightmare. | ||
| But that didn't work for me. | ||
| And then I was like, alright. | ||
| And then I slowly was missing the first fight. | ||
| I'm like, man, I gotta figure stuff out. | ||
| And then I tweeted out I was having problems. | ||
| And 2,000 savages sent me links to legal streams. | ||
| Legal? | ||
| Illegal. | ||
| But of course you didn't watch those. | ||
| Illegal streams. | ||
| I didn't, Joe, and I'm glad you pointed out I did not, but if I were going to... | ||
| Would it be awesome? | ||
| It was awesome and clear. | ||
| Was it in HD? It was HD and had zero problems, if I was going to. | ||
| I'm glad you didn't, because they could track you, that face recognition software. | ||
| They could definitely track me. | ||
| It's a huge problem. | ||
| Well, it was definitely a huge problem for the first event. | ||
| I don't know how many people downloaded it and did it, but I bet they probably didn't see the number coming. | ||
| It was a big fight. | ||
| Those two fights were huge. | ||
| I mean, first of all, something happened... | ||
| I think within the last year or so for Max Holloway, where when Max Holloway's face goes up on the screen, people go nuts. | ||
| Because they know he throws down. | ||
| Yeah, I think it was the Ortega fight. | ||
| I really think that Ortega fight made him a superstar. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| The Aldo ones definitely helped them. | ||
| For sure they did. | ||
| The back-to-back Aldo ass-whoopings, and then the Ortega one. | ||
| The thing that was different, though, is Ortega had a big following. | ||
| Ortega was the young, beautiful lion with fantastic jujitsu, handsome guy, cool, smooth talker, looks like a champion, fucking everybody up. | ||
| So he had a lot of fans coming in there, and they went to war. | ||
| And Max came out on top, and I think Max, a lot of those people, and because they were so cool with each other during, before, and after. | ||
| People loved it. | ||
| Dude, Max, he loses better than anyone on the fucking planet. | ||
| Loses or wins. | ||
| He just goes, hey, I'm just going to get better. | ||
| He doesn't lose a lot. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, he lost to Conor. | ||
| He lost to Dustin in his very first fight ever. | ||
| Conor was young, young as fuck. | ||
| He's 20 years old. | ||
| But I also think Max is – because we've always said – I think both of us have been in agreement where if a guy is cutting a ton of weight and killing himself, go to the next weight class. | ||
| I've always said that, whether it was Darren Till, whether Chris Weidman, Luke Rockhold, John Jones. | ||
| Like, dude, go up a weight class. | ||
| Dominate. | ||
| And then this is kind of the first time we've seen a guy where it's like – It's not that easy. | ||
| Because Max Holloway went up, but you could see the power wasn't there. | ||
| He landed more than Dustin Poirier, but when Dustin landed, you could see that it fucking counted. | ||
| Dustin is big, dude. | ||
| He's big. | ||
| Remember, he used to fight at 45, though. | ||
| He used to fight at 45, and really struggled there. | ||
| But at 55, he's found a spot. | ||
| You look at him, he almost looks like a welterweight. | ||
| I mean, he's big. | ||
| He looks like Tyron Woodley size. | ||
| And he cuts a shitload of weight. | ||
| And Max Holloway in that fight just looked like they didn't look like the same. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just Poirier like fucking meaty. | ||
| Well, and you gotta give credit to Poirier too because if you look at the two of them, like after the fight, there was a big difference between the amount of damage that Poirier landed. | ||
| A big difference. | ||
| He was hitting him with big shots. | ||
| And it wasn't just big shots. | ||
| It was shots, period. | ||
| He was hitting him with really clean, well-timed shots with great head movement, great movement. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| That knee. | ||
| Dude, everything, man. | ||
| Split open his head, man. | ||
| Yeah, everything. | ||
| He did everything great. | ||
| I mean, he really, that was a coming out party for Dustin Poirier in a lot of ways. | ||
| For the common fan. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Well, the people that knew him from the Gagey fight, knew him from the Eddie Alvarez fight, they knew that, man, he beat these two really good guys, but Max Holloway might be one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, and I think he is. | ||
| I think Max Holley's the greatest 145-er of all time. | ||
| I think he's a damn good 55-er. | ||
| But 55 could be tough for Max. | ||
| Well, this is a great example of what we've always said about the differences between the size of people. | ||
| First of all, I mean, all credit to Dustin Poirier because he put on a phenomenal performance. | ||
| He got tested in that fight. | ||
| He came through. | ||
| He even talked about in the post-fight interview that he got hurt in the third round. | ||
| He came through and just... | ||
| Super impressive. | ||
| Think about his wins. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Anthony Pettis. | ||
| Anthony Pettis, world champion. | ||
| Gaethje, world champion. | ||
| Eddie Alvarez, world champion. | ||
| Max Holloway, world champion. | ||
| The Pettis one, though, wasn't that an injury? | ||
| I feel like Pettis got injured and he stopped the fight. | ||
| Did he break his hand? | ||
| Is that what happened? | ||
| No. | ||
| I feel like the Pettis one was an injury. | ||
| He had the issues with Eddie Alvarez, right? | ||
| Which was a no contest. | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
| Well, there was one fight where Dustin Poirier... | ||
| No, yeah, I think that was it. | ||
| There was one fight with Pettis where Pettis broke his hand and Duke Rufus stopped the fight. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Tony Ferguson. | ||
| Was it Tony Ferguson? | ||
| That's Tony Ferguson. | ||
| You're right, you're right. | ||
| That was a great round. | ||
| Maybe it was an injury. | ||
| Oh, it was a rib, remember? | ||
| Oh, it was a rib, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Dustin got on top of him and hurt his rib. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| But still, look at Poirier's wins, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's a weird one, too, right? | ||
| It's because, like, was that rib injury from a Poirier body shot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was that from? | ||
| Or was it from the takedown? | ||
| Like, what was it? | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's more like a TKO. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you look at Poirier's list, man. | ||
| The guys that he's fought and who he's lost to, it's so impressive. | ||
| And Poirier's the guy... | ||
| Same thing with when Michael Bisping won. | ||
| I always root for those guys. | ||
| Those guys who've been around forever and they fight the best of the best. | ||
| They might lose one or two here, but they've been around for so long. | ||
| You just hope there's a title at the end of their career. | ||
| You just hope. | ||
| And sometimes it doesn't look like it's going to happen, but when it does happen, I just... | ||
| I'm just so happy for those guys. | ||
| He's such a good guy too. | ||
| Dustin Poirier. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's smart. | ||
| He's ambitious. | ||
| Theo Vaughn's favorite fighter. | ||
| He works hard. | ||
| How hilarious is that seeing those two guys together? | ||
| That was hilarious. | ||
| He's calling them the Rat King. | ||
| They both went the same homeschool. | ||
| How about Theo was yelling instructions? | ||
| I'm going to roast the shit out of him. | ||
| Did you see him? | ||
| Take him down! | ||
| What is happening right now? | ||
| Why does this happen? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shouting instructions. | ||
| Luckily, the UFC provides me with headphones. | ||
| I was hoping you would have turned around like, dude, what are you doing? | ||
| I love Theo. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| He's such a character. | ||
| Unique kid. | ||
| He was so happy. | ||
| He was so happy. | ||
| Made him bet. | ||
| Well, I just bet because obviously him and... | ||
| You thought that... | ||
| I thought it was going to be a great fight. | ||
| I thought Max at 55, everything was going to carry with him. | ||
| I thought Max would probably get it done, but I knew it was going to be a good fight. | ||
| I was just betting Theo because Theo is boys with Dustin. | ||
| They're from the same area. | ||
| So it was just a friendly bet. | ||
| I would never bet against Dustin Poirier. | ||
| Look at these fools. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
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How about Theo? | |
| Theo's never been in a fight before and he texts me halfway through and goes, dude, I can't believe you did this shit. | ||
| I go, maybe a little respect now around King of the Sting, alright? | ||
| Maybe a little fucking respect, bro. | ||
| Yeah, he was looking at it as a complete outsider. | ||
| He had no idea. | ||
| I told him. | ||
| I said, super intense, man. | ||
| You're seeing four of the best fighters on planet Earth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're seeing the very, very best. | ||
| Shootouts, man. | ||
| The Kelvin Gastelum Stylebender fight was a shootout. | ||
| Best title fight for me I've ever watched. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| It's one of the best fights of all time. | ||
| Has to be. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| And when you see Stylebender get rocked in the first round and dropped, you're like, holy shit. | ||
| I think it's the best thing that happened to him. | ||
| It's a good thing. | ||
| I think it's a good thing. | ||
| Career-wise and going forward, it's a good thing he faced a little adversity. | ||
| We see that he's not going to get hit and crumble. | ||
| You got one. | ||
| You got a special dude in Stylebender. | ||
| And how good is Kelvin? | ||
| Goddamn, he's tough. | ||
| How fast are his fucking hands? | ||
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He's so tough. | |
| He's so fucking tough. | ||
| And even after all that, I mean, Stylebender was teeing off on him in that fifth round. | ||
| And Kelvin is finding a way to survive. | ||
| He has a great chin. | ||
| He's incredible. | ||
| Stylebender's face looked like he was allergic to shellfish. | ||
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Did you see his face? | |
| Look at his face. | ||
| The fourth round. | ||
| What the fuck is happening right now? | ||
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He was in a war, man. | |
| He was in a war. | ||
| Kelvin hit him with some bombs, man. | ||
| Bombs. | ||
| And it's also, I think it's good we saw Asanya get hit, get knocked down. | ||
| We saw him get taken down. | ||
| We saw what happens when he's off his back, look pretty fucking good. | ||
| His triangle, his transitions. | ||
| He had him locked up in a triangle. | ||
| Who knows what the fuck would have happened if that was early in the fight and they were dry. | ||
| So I think that fight for Staubman checked all the boxes. | ||
| But also, what's great about this is Kelvin's stock doesn't go down. | ||
| No. | ||
| If anything, I'd watch that guy fight whenever. | ||
| Whenever. | ||
| And let's be honest, he's really a welterweight. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| He's super small for 85. If Darren Till can make 170 pounds, so can Calvin. | ||
| It's a discipline thing, yes. | ||
| I just think there should be more weight classes. | ||
| I don't even think it's... | ||
| I don't think he's a... | ||
| Talk to your boy Dana, man. | ||
| He doesn't want to listen to me. | ||
| 65, you could text him and make it happen. | ||
| No one listens to me. | ||
| And I don't want him to. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I'd rather just stay out here and talk about it. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| I don't want to be involved. | ||
| I've pushed it. | ||
| I've said I think there should be a weight class every time. | ||
| I'm like, ah, get out of here. | ||
| We could, like, dangle the carrot and be like, yo, we'll do a fight campaign every time a 165 or fights and just dangle that carrot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He probably still wouldn't do it. | ||
| Probably still wouldn't do it. | ||
| It's one of those things where, like, I think they like it the way it is. | ||
| If it ain't broke, don't fix it. | ||
| Yeah, but it doesn't make sense because if you're going to do all these intern belts, why not do 65? | ||
| Belts on belts on belts. | ||
| Do you think they would think that it's watered down to have too many weight classes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The people would just be jumping back and forth from weight class, which they would be. | ||
| Talking about chaos, which I love. | ||
| But you would also have people that find a weight class where they could be at their best versus either have to bulk up or have to drop too much weight and compromise yourself. | ||
| It's a happy medium for a lot of guys that are not hitting that happy medium right now. | ||
| We're not getting their best performance. | ||
| But here's the thing about, so if Kelvin should be a 170-er, Stylebender's a small 85-er. | ||
| He weighed in at 183. He weighed under the weight limit. | ||
| Well, you look at how big some of these guys are. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| You see Brandon Davis? | ||
| Dude, they're huge. | ||
| The kid that fights at 35? | ||
| He was 160? | ||
| Dude. | ||
| It was Brandon Davis, right? | ||
| Who said that? | ||
| Well, some of those 85ers. | ||
| Like, you look at Jacare, you look at Yoel Romero. | ||
| Yoel Romero's gigantic, dude. | ||
| He looks like a heavyweight. | ||
| I mean, it's going to happen. | ||
| Think about Yoel Romero. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Like, Yoel Romero's jacked, dude. | ||
| Yeah, he's a big fella. | ||
| Like, Staubender could probably make 170 easier than fucking 85. I mean, 85's a... | ||
| A big weight class. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why, have you seen the talk, it makes no sense, Stylebender and Jon Jones? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Who the fuck's picking up on that? | ||
| That's just because they're talking shit. | ||
| I can't find, I've seen anything. | ||
| Just the last card. | ||
| It just says, yeah, he ballooned back up to 160 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, it was Brandon Davis, right? | ||
| From 35. He's really talented. | ||
| It's crazy when I'm standing next to him that this guy weighed in at 35 because I'm looking at him. | ||
| He looked all of 165 pounds. | ||
| He's 5'10". | ||
| He looks so big for that 135-pound weight class. | ||
| I'm like, this is crazy. | ||
| Well, even Max at 45 is fucking huge. | ||
| But the UFC Performance Institute gave him the green light to do that. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So they must have known what they were doing. | ||
| It says, David Sight with Costa was the first in the bandweight division. | ||
| He said he needed to make serious sacrifices to get there. | ||
| He said he cut out drinking alcohol. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| And ran 20 miles per day. | ||
| Oh, that's a terrible idea. | ||
| In order to make the weight. | ||
| By the time he stepped into the octagon at 236, he had ballooned back to 160 pounds. | ||
| Let me see this dude. | ||
| He's really big, man. | ||
| He must be huge. | ||
| But the thing is, he was also... | ||
| He was not just tall, but he's thick. | ||
| It's weird how you can lose that much weight. | ||
| But why not just fight at 45? | ||
| Why kill yourself? | ||
| 20 miles a day? | ||
| Well, he didn't fight at 45. He fought Zabit in his last fight. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, Zabit and Magomed Sharapov. | ||
| Zabit got him in that crazy arm bar from the back. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that. | ||
| Leg lock from the back. | ||
| Yeah, which is so nasty. | ||
| Filthy. | ||
| Back mount. | ||
| Filthy. | ||
| That's nasty. | ||
| There's two that night. | ||
| Oof, I know. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| That's a crazy move, right? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| When I think of 185ers, think of Luke Rockhold. | ||
| He's huge, man. | ||
| He's a big ass. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| But then Whitaker's not freakishly big. | ||
| I think Luke's done with 85. Yeah, he's at 205 now. | ||
| Is it 100% or is he just going to do it for one fight? | ||
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No, it's 100%. | |
| He has a fight lined up already. | ||
| But is he going to stay there or is he just doing it for one fight? | ||
| I'm pretty sure he's staying there. | ||
| Probably a good idea, man. | ||
| But then you look at Whitaker, who's at 85. He's not huge. | ||
| He's stocky, but he's not huge. | ||
| He's like the perfect size, Whitaker. | ||
| Because he still can knock out anybody, but he's got awesome cardio and pace. | ||
| He's strong, too. | ||
| He's strong. | ||
| I mean, he's not as strong as Yoel Romero, but he's strong enough to hold him off. | ||
| No one is. | ||
| Who is? | ||
| No one is. | ||
| You gotta get that Cuban gene pool to get that. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| There's certain gene pools. | ||
| Like that fucking mountain from Game of Thrones. | ||
| There's some gene pools out there, man. | ||
| Yeah, and then when he's throwing steroids in that pool, you get a freak. | ||
| Oh, you do throw steroids in that pool, too. | ||
| Did you see he admitted to it? | ||
| Of course he did. | ||
| Of course he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was like, yeah, no shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when they kept asking about it, they go, are you currently taking it? | ||
| He goes, listen, I don't really want to talk about this. | ||
| It's like, yeah, no, of course I am. | ||
| Why are they asking questions like that? | ||
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I know. | |
| It's the Strongest Man contest. | ||
| But think about... | ||
| Come on. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Dude, who's going to win? | ||
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| How about Stylebender versus Whitaker? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The all-oceanic fight. | ||
| Are you really going to fly to Australia for that pay-per-view? | ||
| Thinking about it. | ||
| Dude, there ain't two dudes on this planet that get me to fly to Australia. | ||
| Two? | ||
| There's not. | ||
| No dudes on this planet. | ||
| Wouldn't you want to be there live, though? | ||
| No, Joe. | ||
| I'd rather be here. | ||
| I'd rather be here. | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| I love Australia, but now if Rihanna was like, yo, dude, get to Australia, I'm like, I'm on my way. | ||
| Say no more, fam. | ||
| But not two dudes. | ||
| Yeah, but that fight? | ||
| Dude, I want to see that fight in the flesh. | ||
| Live? | ||
| You're going to do it? | ||
| I think I might. | ||
| I want to see how that goes down. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| Whitaker is a fucking animal, man. | ||
| Just think about how much pain that guy had to be in to an almost fight with a hernia and a ruptured... | ||
| He had a ruptured rectum, right? | ||
| Was it a ruptured rectum? | ||
| I thought it was just a hernia. | ||
| I think his rectum's fine. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I think he had two major injuries. | ||
| No, I know his intestines were popping through. | ||
| Yeah, but I think it was another one. | ||
| Damn, his rectum was fucked up, too? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Didn't he have a tear? | ||
| Is that called a hemorrhoid? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Like a tear. | ||
| In his ass? | ||
| Well, you know, think about the fucking strain from sparring. | ||
| Just think about getting taken down while you're trying to throw a kick. | ||
| You land fucked up on your hip. | ||
| Never rip my asshole. | ||
| You can rip your asshole. | ||
| I'm just saying I never have. | ||
| Catch a kick. | ||
| You can catch a kick in the asshole. | ||
| Yeah, easily, dude. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| People lose eyes. | ||
| How about someone misses a spinning back kick low and it just catches your taint? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Just the heel hits your taint and rips your taint away from the bone. | ||
| That shit happens. | ||
| I wonder what... | ||
| I don't know what the odds would be. | ||
| I would assume Whitaker's a slight favorite in that fight. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| Based off what Kelvin did? | ||
| Well, based off what Kelvin did, based off Whitaker's two fights with Yoel, he's been the only guy to hold Yoel off. | ||
| Although I have said that I did think that Yoel won the second fight. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I think by the new scoring, Yoel had him rocked and hurt. | ||
| By the new scoring, I felt like it should have been worth more. | ||
| You thought it should have been a 10-8? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he had him almost out. | ||
| Hurt. | ||
| He staggered. | ||
| We didn't see him do that to Yoel. | ||
| But he did survive. | ||
| But he won more rounds and survived. | ||
| Yeah, he survived. | ||
| He won more rounds. | ||
| I don't have a problem with the draw. | ||
| If you're watching a fight, if a fight is a fight, I mean, I understand it's a sport, but it's a sport of fighting. | ||
| If you're watching a fight and one guy is really fucking a guy up and the other guy never does that, Who do you think won that fight? | ||
| You can't do that, though. | ||
| You're right, you can't. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But do you think the guy that just moves around and touches him with the jab, and I'm not saying this as what Whitaker did, but just as a what if. | ||
| If a guy's just moving around for four rounds, and he's touching you with the jab, and leg kicking you, and shutting you out. | ||
| Is that like fighting in the street? | ||
| But then in the fifth round, you knock him down four times. | ||
| You beat the fuck out of him. | ||
| He's running away from you. | ||
| His nose gets bloodied. | ||
| You end the fight with your hand raised without a mark on your face, and the other guy's face is pizza. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I'd look at my boys and be like, damn, for that first 20, that boy was moving. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| How much is that round worth? | ||
| As a sport, though. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it is. | ||
| Because as a sport, you have to judge it as cumulative. | ||
| Yeah, if you're going to judge it on a scorecard, it has to be cumulative. | ||
| The question is, how much is it worth for a guy to really take it to a guy and almost stop him? | ||
| See, I don't think there should be more draws. | ||
| I don't have a problem with a draw. | ||
| I don't have a problem with a draw. | ||
| Like, with that fight, if there's a draw, I'm like, that makes sense. | ||
| Redo it. | ||
| Let's get a clear-cut winner. | ||
| I think when a person gets really rocked like that, it's worth more than a point. | ||
| I think it's worth more than two points. | ||
| I think it's worth a lot. | ||
| You think it should be like 10-7 rounds? | ||
| I think it's a big deal. | ||
| God, then you're fucked, dude. | ||
| You're fucked, but you are fucked. | ||
| In real life, you're fucked. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| In real life, you're kind of fucked, right? | ||
| The idea that you could go through a round, you don't know who won, right? | ||
| A round where it's like a lot of feeling out, a lot of touching, you know, this and that. | ||
| Okay, perfect example. | ||
| First round, Anderson Silva versus Stylebender. | ||
| You could give it to Stylebender for sure, but it was a round where they were feeling each other out. | ||
| There was not one big moment where, oh my god, Stylebender's taking over, this fight is almost done. | ||
| So that's 10-9. | ||
| But yet another fight where a guy beats the shit out of a guy and doesn't drop him. | ||
| And they have exchanges, but the guy gets rocked and hurt. | ||
| Is that 10-9 too? | ||
| I know, it's weird. | ||
| What if he head kicks him and drops him and the guy barely survives? | ||
| You hammer fist him at the end of the bell? | ||
| Is it 10-9? | ||
| In the old system it is. | ||
| But what is it in the new system? | ||
| Is it 10-8? | ||
| But even if it's 10-8, I think it should be more than 10-8. | ||
| That guy almost went out. | ||
| But the only thing is you're fucked. | ||
| Let's say you do a 10-6 or 10-7. | ||
| Then you get dropped. | ||
| You've got to get a finish. | ||
| Here's the argument against what I'm saying. | ||
| Here's the argument against it. | ||
| Frankie Edgar vs. | ||
| Gray Maynard. | ||
| Especially the first one, right? | ||
| Gray Maynard drops him, has him badly hurt in the first round. | ||
| Frankie manages to survive and come back and win enough rounds and win the fight. | ||
| That's the exception, though. | ||
| It is the exception. | ||
| If you gave him five points for that round. | ||
| Well, it's kind of like with Roundtree and Eric Anders. | ||
| How the fuck were people scoring those rounds 10-9? | ||
| Yeah, that's ridiculous. | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| That's a perfect example. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| How is that a 10-9? | ||
| That wasn't a competitive fight. | ||
| How good does Roundtree look? | ||
| How good? | ||
| Oh, you said something on the broadcast. | ||
| Someone's booking a trip to Phuket. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every fighter's like, where the fuck was he at? | ||
| They're making fucking plane trips to Phuket. | ||
| My only thing with that is, what's the grappling like out there? | ||
| Hey, man, I don't know, man, but get somebody to help him. | ||
| Get somebody. | ||
| That motherfucker, he throws some of the nastiest inside leg kicks, and so fast, and he was total tie style. | ||
| I wish I could lift my arms up. | ||
| I've got my shoulders hurt. | ||
| You could tell he was just in it. | ||
| Total tie style with a light front leg. | ||
| Dude, his timing, his speed was off the charts. | ||
| He fucked his leg up. | ||
| I hope Eric Anders posted a picture today about it. | ||
| First of all, how fucking tough is Eric Anders? | ||
| His coaches, what are you doing? | ||
| This is not a title fight. | ||
| There's nothing really on the line here. | ||
| It's just not his day. | ||
| They couldn't ask him to quit. | ||
| They couldn't ask him to quit. | ||
| They just wouldn't ask him to quit. | ||
| He's so fucking tough. | ||
| He's so tough. | ||
| Crimson Tide alumni monster. | ||
| Did you hear what John Anik said? | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| He said he loves when he fights because then Bruce Buffer has to say, your boy... | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Dude, he's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker, because that guy does not have a long history of mixed martial arts like a lot of these guys. | ||
| Athletic, man. | ||
| Way more athletic than the rest. | ||
| Than a lot of them. | ||
| But look, Khalil's athletic as fuck, too, man. | ||
| You know, he used to be 320 pounds? | ||
| Yeah, he was huge. | ||
| Have you met him? | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| Used to train with him. | ||
| Monster. | ||
| I'm just... | ||
| Well, I was impressed when he knocked out Gokan Saki. | ||
| And then I know he lost to Johnny Walker, who's just a beast. | ||
| I don't know what to make of Johnny Walker yet. | ||
| Hoo, he's scary. | ||
| I'm on the train, but I'm kind of like... | ||
| I'm on. | ||
| Where are we at? | ||
| I'm fucking... | ||
| Me too. | ||
| And I'm on the back. | ||
| Let's go, Johnny. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker, dude. | ||
| He's something special. | ||
| He's something special. | ||
| I hope he didn't hurt his fucking shoulder when he fell. | ||
| I know. | ||
| When he did that worm thing. | ||
| I hope. | ||
| I hope he didn't really hurt himself. | ||
| Because if he really hurt himself and they can't fix that, that would be a damn shame if the way he got injured is falling down playing around after a spectacular victory. | ||
| I thought he came out and said he was fine though. | ||
| His man said he's fine. | ||
| He would say that. | ||
| I would say that, too. | ||
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Yeah, me too. | |
| You've got to tell everybody you're fine. | ||
| We'll fix this. | ||
| We'll fix this. | ||
| He does look like a freak, though. | ||
| He's a freak, dude. | ||
| He has crazy power. | ||
| Crazy power. | ||
| He's scary. | ||
| And he caught Khalil with an elbow. | ||
| In the clinch. | ||
| With one of those elbows where he hands up high. | ||
| In the clinch. | ||
| In the clinch. | ||
| But it was beautiful. | ||
| Flatlined him. | ||
| The way he did it, though. | ||
| Look, anybody gets flatlined with that fucking elbow. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| That guy hits hard. | ||
| But how about that's the fight? | ||
| That was the reason why Khalil went to Thailand. | ||
| Yes, that's what I was going to say. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| And now he's all in. | ||
| He's like, he's moving there. | ||
| He's going to move his family there. | ||
| He's going to do all his camps out there. | ||
| That's so intense. | ||
| It's so intense. | ||
| But when you have results like that, I love it. | ||
| I love a story like that. | ||
| I love a story like that until a grappler comes around and goes, Muay Thai. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Thailand riding elephants and shit. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| That's what I'm worried about. | ||
| Yeah, but doesn't like Phuket Top Team and a lot of those places out there, a.k.a. | ||
| Mike Swick's place, they must have wrestling. | ||
| I'm sure, right? | ||
| Mike Swick came out of a.k.a. | ||
| American Kickboxing Academy. | ||
| But Mike Swick was exactly... | ||
| Wrestler. | ||
| But he knows the deal. | ||
| He was always with wrestlers, though. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| I mean, he knew how to wrestle. | ||
| Swick could do everything. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Swick was a bad motherfucker. | ||
| But is that where he's at, AK, out there? | ||
| Yeah, he's got his place out there. | ||
| But now I'm saying, is that where Khalil's at? | ||
| I do not know where Khalil's at. | ||
| I think he's at straight, kicking bamboo. | ||
| I think he's doing the real deal. | ||
| Lionheart style. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Drinking coconuts. | ||
| He actually posted. | ||
| Go to his... | ||
| See if you can go to Khalil Roundtree Jr.'s Instagram page. | ||
| Because he posted the thanks after the fight. | ||
| There's a lot of people doing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, a lot of people are going to Thailand. | ||
| I think there's something to it, man. | ||
| Learning in the motherland with those dudes, you know? | ||
| Watching those guys work out and train, just to be in that environment. | ||
| It's good for the soul. | ||
| You know what it would be like? | ||
| He's the nicest guy, Joe. | ||
| The nicest guy out there. | ||
| Yeah, that's Khalil's Instagram. | ||
| That's me and him and his crew. | ||
| You know, he used to work at an MMA warehouse and sell shirts when he was 300 pounds. | ||
| It was like, dude, I want to fight. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| See if there's a thing. | ||
| Go back to the... | ||
| Oh, that's it right there. | ||
| Sorry, go back to that one. | ||
| See there? | ||
| It says Teddy Bear Peachy Indie Boxing. | ||
| See that? | ||
| Click on that. | ||
| Click on that. | ||
| That's the dude. | ||
| I think that's the gym. | ||
| So he's with... | ||
| Or that's one of his friends. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| He's training with him right there. | ||
| That's the gym there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's not what I'm thinking. | ||
| See, I want to... | ||
| Damn, that dude is in shape. | ||
| I want to see... | ||
| Listen, you want Khalil Ronald Tree Jr. kicking you, you're probably better off in that shape. | ||
| You'd be fucking... | ||
| Yeah, you'd be shaped like a tight snowman. | ||
| So that dude was probably his pads guy that helped him with his pads. | ||
| He's doing work, man. | ||
| Damn, look at the legs on that fucking tie. | ||
| Dude, bro! | ||
| That dude's thick. | ||
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He's on that Western diet, son. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, pass on the pad time, get me the Donald Trump. | ||
| Pad time, fuck that noise. | ||
| But there's something to it. | ||
| I think it's good for the soul. | ||
| Might be. | ||
| Sabine over there, you mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's something about Khalil, man. | ||
| Oh, this is a... | ||
| Jamie's doing this just to make us laugh. | ||
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Thank you, Jamie. | |
| Son of a bitch. | ||
| Shout out to that guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's something about being in a place where something was invented that must give you some extra juice. | ||
| Have you done jiu-jitsu in Brazil? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a special place. | ||
| I mean, they hate white people, but it's a special place. | ||
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No, they don't. | |
| No, they hated me. | ||
| Especially when you're fighting Noguera doing jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Of course they're going to hate you if you fight Noguera. | ||
| Yeah, it was fun. | ||
| And you're a jiu-jitsu guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you came from jiu-jitsu. | ||
| So for you to fight... | ||
| That was a thing, right? | ||
| Like, if you fought a jiu-jitsu guy... | ||
| And remember the early days? | ||
| If a jiu-jitsu guy fought a jiu-jitsu guy, it'd be a real issue in the jiu-jitsu community. | ||
| Like, why don't you fight somebody else? | ||
| Well, remember with Anderson, he didn't want to fight other Brazilians. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| And we fought, like, Tao's ladies and Damian Maia. | ||
| It was, like, the worst fights ever. | ||
| Yes, that's right. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| The Talos Latis fight, it's almost like you just kind of let him survive. | ||
| Because he's Brazilian. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| White people fuck each other. | ||
| No, I think it's like a... | ||
| Do you think it's a nationalistic thing? | ||
| You think they made like... | ||
| They take care of each other? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or do you think it's just that Talos Latis was... | ||
| Good? | ||
| He didn't want to take any chances? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No, I think it's too much a respect thing. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| So you think it was a Brazil thing? | ||
| Although with Vitor Belfort, Anderson Silva was a cool story flick to the face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the thing with Damian Maia was they had a real problem. | ||
| There was some sort of real animosity between them. | ||
| Because remember Damien Maia? | ||
| Oh, with the mask? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, no, that was Vitor. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| But he was yelling at Damien Maia. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| And Damien was like, this is disrespectful. | ||
| Brazilians don't act this way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was something going on there when Ashton, when he's fighting other Brazilians, it sucked. | ||
| And then he blew himself out going after Damien Maia and then coasted for the last few rounds. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that was a big deal. | ||
| Was it in Dubai? | ||
| It was in Dubai. | ||
| And Chris Weidman fought on the same card. | ||
| And BJ Penn. | ||
| That's when Frankie Edgar beat BJ Penn. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's a new one in the title. | ||
| I heard Khabib's next fight might be in Dubai in September. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Dude, Khabib is... | ||
| Pack your bag, Dustin. | ||
| Khabib versus Dustin. | ||
| That is going to be wild. | ||
| That's going to be wild. | ||
| Yeah, that's a tough fucking fight, man. | ||
| Dustin can crack. | ||
| Dustin can crack. | ||
| He can crack. | ||
| I mean, he's an interesting cat. | ||
| It's like, how good is he going to be able to fend off that grappling? | ||
| How good can anyone defend it off? | ||
| It's going to be hard. | ||
| No one can. | ||
| It's going to be hard. | ||
| I'll tell you what the fight is. | ||
| I had him on my show as Justin Gaethje. | ||
| And he was like, dude, I'd love to fight Khabib. | ||
| He's like, what's he going to do to me? | ||
| I was like, take you down. | ||
| He's like, I can wrestle my ass off. | ||
| And I scramble. | ||
| That's where he gets guys in the scramble. | ||
| He goes, that's what I specialize in. | ||
| He's a wild man. | ||
| He doesn't like being called wild. | ||
| I believe he would want to fight. | ||
| I don't mean wild like he's not calculating, but I mean wild in that he takes risks. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| He calculates his ability to perform in those risks, but he forces action. | ||
| He wants chaos. | ||
| He forces action. | ||
| It's definitely technical. | ||
| But he's a risk-taker. | ||
| He's not laying back. | ||
| Like, if we just talked about Anderson Silva versus Talos Latis, that was not a risk-taking fight. | ||
| Terrible fight. | ||
| That motherfucker never has fights like that. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Just to gauge it, he takes your soul. | ||
| He says he fights that way because he doesn't have the cardio. | ||
| He goes, the way I fight, I don't have the cardio to go fight. | ||
| Like, my style isn't conservative. | ||
| I have to get it in. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Well, with Khabib, those are issues, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The motherfucker will go all five. | ||
| All five. | ||
| I don't know who's going to beat Khabib. | ||
| He's big too. | ||
| I don't know who's going to beat Khabib. | ||
| He struggled for 55. He struggled. | ||
| Khabib's scary, man. | ||
| Until he got his nutrition on track, remember? | ||
| He'd had some issues. | ||
| He's a fucking phenomenal grappler. | ||
| I don't know who's going to beat him. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| His grappling's so good. | ||
| When he tied up Conor's legs in that first round, I was like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| This is early on. | ||
| I think maybe Tony Ferguson. | ||
| Tony Ferguson has a real good chance of making it interesting because of his own wrestling and his scramble ability. | ||
| Tony's a wild scramble. | ||
| Ready for this? | ||
| Tony Ferguson and Gaethje. | ||
| They're both available. | ||
| Everyone else is matched up. | ||
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Chaos. | |
| Chaos. | ||
| It's pure chaos. | ||
| But I bet Tony is pissed and wants a shot at the title, which, you know, he was on his way to that when his knee ripped apart at a fucking promotional thing. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| Tripping on a wire is a freak incident. | ||
| Talk about a guy who deserves the title shot. | ||
| Yes, and a guy who people have kind of forgotten in the mix of all these killers. | ||
| There's so many 55-pounders that are just straight-up killers now. | ||
| Monsters. | ||
| You know, I mean, what a wild division. | ||
| Dude, when you look at 55, 70, 85, there's never been a better time to be a UFC fan. | ||
| It is murder's fucking row. | ||
| It really is, man. | ||
| You look at it like, oh my god. | ||
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It really is. | |
| Like, I was looking up the matchups for Style Ben, I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| These are scary. | ||
| So many fights. | ||
| I look at 170. Who's the scariest, if you had to think of Stylebender, is Yoel Romero the scariest fight for him? | ||
| That's a pretty scary fight. | ||
| Right, stylistically, right? | ||
| He's scary for everybody. | ||
| He's scary for everybody. | ||
| Still, 40 years old. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Every bit of it, too, and just monster. | ||
| Monster. | ||
| And so explosive. | ||
| And the fucking wrestling. | ||
| His wrestling is from another planet. | ||
| And he's getting explosive with his striking. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He'll fuck you up. | ||
| He'll spinning backfist you. | ||
| You always got to worry about him exploding. | ||
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God, he's a fucking nightmare, man. | |
| Because you got to worry about him exploding. | ||
| If you try to catch a break, if you're standing on the outside and you're both breathing and you're moving, you're like, maybe this is the time I'm going to catch a break. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, he flying knees you in the face, and you didn't see it coming. | ||
| And whether you're Whitaker or Stylebender, whoever wins that fight in Australia, you got Yo Romero next. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's number one. | ||
| I'm sure he's going to fight before then, but... | ||
| How much longer can he do that? | ||
| When's father time go, Yo, you're special, but let's go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When is it? | ||
| You know? | ||
| But Whitaker also, the thing with Whitaker is he gets seriously injured after every fight and has to have surgery. | ||
| When's that going to catch up with him? | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| Stylebender's healthy as fuck. | ||
| It's true, but I think... | ||
| Allergic to shellfish, but healthy as fuck. | ||
| When you're that good and you go that hard, I mean, to train as hard as he must train to be as good as Robert Whitaker is, the human body, like, look, Cain Velasquez is the great example of that, right? | ||
| Cain was never that explosive like those guys. | ||
| Right, but he has unbelievable work ethic. | ||
| That's part of what it is, man. | ||
| It's just the ability to push through pain, the ability to just keep working and working and working and grind and attack. | ||
| That way when you're in those fights, a guy like Cain would put it on people to the point where they couldn't believe it was real. | ||
| They're like, this doesn't even make sense. | ||
| How is he coming after me still? | ||
| How is he not tired? | ||
| What the fuck is going on here? | ||
| But you know who can do that and decides whether or not he's going to do it? | ||
| John Jones. | ||
| John Jones can do that. | ||
| And not suffering from those kind of injuries. | ||
| And John goes, what style do you do? | ||
| You're a grinder? | ||
| Let me show you how to grind. | ||
| Oh, you're a striking expert? | ||
| Let me show you how to strike. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's so fucking good, man. | ||
| Why is Stylebender and Jon Jones, why are they talking shit to each other? | ||
| Do you know what started it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jon did a... | ||
| Originally, it did start with Jon. | ||
| He came out in an interview and goes, you know, Stylebender's looking good. | ||
| He's fighting 85. It's only a matter of time before I think we cross paths, which is silly. | ||
| And then Stylebender, I think TMZ asked him. | ||
| He's like, oh, I already beat one GOAT. I need another one. | ||
| You know, I'm just getting started. | ||
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Oh, Jesus. | |
| But if you're John, why are you even engaging in this? | ||
| Why are you punching it down? | ||
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It's great for John. | |
| It's great for John because he wants to let everybody know, hey, I'm the best motherfucker on the planet. | ||
| But we know this. | ||
| Yeah, but he wants to let everybody know. | ||
| Like when there's a car that's about someone, I mean, he's active now, right? | ||
| John Jones got momentum now. | ||
| Think about where he's at right now. | ||
| He's in his 30s, right? | ||
| Long-ass fucking career as champion, as the best ever. | ||
| He's on a run right now. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think they took it away from him for all those months when he tested positive, that long suspension, all that time off, all money that he should have made, all the legacy that he could have laid down, and now I think he's just fucking chasing it. | ||
| I'm all about it. | ||
| 100% all about it. | ||
| However, talking to a 183-pounder is kind of silly. | ||
| Yeah, but if you say that in an interview, I don't think that's that disrespectful. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| The way he said it is that one day maybe we're going to fight. | ||
| Yeah, but then Stylebender, TMZ asked him, they don't know shit about fighting. | ||
| They're like, oh, this guy's big, this guy's big, they're both black, let's fight. | ||
| They have no idea. | ||
| That's what they think. | ||
| So then it gets picked up. | ||
| But then also, I think John Jones is the hot senior in high school, and Stylebender's the new freshman who's hot, and it's like Mean Girls. | ||
| Like, fuck that dude. | ||
| It's also, I wonder how much of this is like they all agree is good for business. | ||
| It's entertainment. | ||
| Yeah, it's good for business. | ||
| Well, look at Conor. | ||
| Anytime there's a fight, blast something out. | ||
| Well, not just blast something out. | ||
| I mean, Conor's real good about that, but the way he's able to turn these shit-talking back and forth into publicity for fights. | ||
| There is real shit talking. | ||
| It is psychological warfare. | ||
| But it also hypes people up to no end. | ||
| Like the Khabib fight. | ||
| All the craziness that led to that. | ||
| Obviously that backfired when Khabib tried to fucking attack him after it was over. | ||
| And it jumped into the crowd. | ||
| And all the other people punched him in the head. | ||
| And all that craziness that happened. | ||
| Khabib's never been bigger. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look. | ||
| Khabib's never been bigger. | ||
| Conor's never been bigger. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| He needs to fight. | ||
| He needs to fight, but he's still... | ||
| You guys know this. | ||
| I ride Conor's nuts. | ||
| I ride Kim Peeb's nuts, Stylebender's nuts. | ||
| But with Conor, I'm like, God, hopefully something gets lined up. | ||
| Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is that shit-talking... | ||
| Keeps you relevant. | ||
| Yeah, it's worth something. | ||
| It's worth something to both of them. | ||
| Agree. | ||
| Like, if Stylebender and Jon Jones did decide to fight one day, that shit's worth something to both of them. | ||
| Agree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Agree. | ||
| There's a big gap between 85 and 205 though, man. | ||
| John's a giant 205-er. | ||
| John could beat up any heavyweight in the world with ease. | ||
| Could beat up probably six of them in a night. | ||
| So to fight a 183-er is weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, obviously he wouldn't be 183. If Stylebender was going to do it, I'm sure he'd want to put some weight on. | ||
| I imagine. | ||
| That's such a nightmare. | ||
| But that's what makes Stylebender special, because those guys, same as Max Holloway, he goes, I'll fight anyone. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| That's what it's all about. | ||
| But it also, and this is not a knock on Santos or the level competition, but at 205, there's really nothing there to get excited about. | ||
| There's just not. | ||
| You look at the other divisions... | ||
| Santo's going to be a fun fight. | ||
| He's going to be a plus 700, plus 800 underdog. | ||
| But I like that John's active. | ||
| I like watching John beat everyone's ass. | ||
| Yeah, it's one of those things now where you've got to find contenders for John, right? | ||
| Because no one's really standing out. | ||
| Rockhold would be cool at 205. Heavyweight's the place. | ||
| Dominic Reyes just beat... | ||
| Who did he beat? | ||
| Did he fight Volkhorn? | ||
| Who was Demir? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| And I didn't think he beat him. | ||
| And I'm a Reyes fan, but I don't think he beat Ozdemir. | ||
| I thought he lost. | ||
| That was a weird decision. | ||
| So that one is... | ||
| Look, Volkan's a very good fighter, no doubt about it. | ||
| But you saw what Daniel Cormier did to him. | ||
| Neither one of them are ready for Jon Jones. | ||
| Not ready for Jon Jones. | ||
| They're not even the same realm. | ||
| Right, but we were looking at Dominic and we were like, that kid's really talented, he's got massive potential, and I still think he does. | ||
| Oh yeah, he's a stud. | ||
| He's just going to get better from this. | ||
| Johnny Walker? | ||
| Right, but that guy might have a blown shoulder. | ||
| Let's say he doesn't though. | ||
| If he doesn't, here's the thing about that guy. | ||
| He's still four fights away from Jon Jones. | ||
| He might be four fights away. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| He might knock four people into another dimension on the way to Jon Jones. | ||
| Like, guys, something special, man. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| But you've got to knock those four guys out so we can sell this thing. | ||
| You do. | ||
| He does. | ||
| I mean, he's put away two top-level guys pretty spectacularly. | ||
| And, I mean, you look at the way he fights, too. | ||
| He's loose and weird and then, boom, jumps on you. | ||
| It's so special. | ||
| Power, dude. | ||
| Fucking crazy power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think with John, his team's smart. | ||
| They're going, no, we know heavyweight's there. | ||
| We're going to clean out 205. Ain't nobody beating us. | ||
| We're going to clean out, so we're considered the greatest of all time. | ||
| Then we'll go to heavyweight and get paid. | ||
| Well, you know, they wanted this fight. | ||
| They thought it would be a good fight with Tiago. | ||
| And I think one of the things that it's a good fight, one of the reasons why it's a good fight is Tiago can shut anyone's lights out. | ||
| He knows he can shut anyone's lights out. | ||
| That motherfucker throws for the bleacher. | ||
| Didn't he used to fight at 70? | ||
| No, 85. I mean 85, right? | ||
| Yeah, 85. Struggled to make 85. Look, he's big. | ||
| He's big. | ||
| He's big. | ||
| A big dude. | ||
| But the fucking power that that guy has. | ||
| Like in the Manoa fight... | ||
| And he just swings, man. | ||
| He swings wild. | ||
| Now, John is not going to fight him the way Mano will fight him. | ||
| Yeah, I can't touch him. | ||
| You know, John is going to keep him on the outside with those kicks. | ||
| Take him down when he wants. | ||
| And if he decides to clinch him, he'll clinch him, wrestle him, take him down. | ||
| John's ground and pound is horrific. | ||
| His top game is off the charts. | ||
| Submissions are great. | ||
| Submissions, everything. | ||
| Striking's better. | ||
| Elbows are from hell. | ||
| From the top, John Jones gets on top of you. | ||
| The best. | ||
| You're getting elbowed to oblivion. | ||
| And they're coming one after the other, after the other, after the other. | ||
| But in the wild exchange where he has to be careful is that that Tiago dude, Tiago Santos will swing with everything. | ||
| He will throw it all in there. | ||
| John's not even going to engage in that. | ||
| You're not even going to see the opportunity. | ||
| That's what makes him so special. | ||
| Those guys that go, that's where your one place is to win? | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| And he just cancels it out. | ||
| I don't think that he would willingly wade into a firefight. | ||
| But it could happen. | ||
| But it could happen. | ||
| That's how you sell a fight, sir. | ||
| It could happen. | ||
| See, what John is going to do, if I had to guess, is try to further cement his legacy. | ||
| He's going to fight the best way he can. | ||
| He's got great coaches. | ||
| They know what the fuck they're doing. | ||
| He's going to go in there. | ||
| He's going to kick that dude. | ||
| If he decides to clinch with him, he's going to have a giant advantage in wrestling. | ||
| But he's got to be careful on the way in, man. | ||
| That dude will swing. | ||
| He will try to kill you. | ||
| He swings in a different way. | ||
| He swings like, this ain't making it to the fifth round. | ||
| There's no fifth round. | ||
| He's not even looking. | ||
| That guy is just, every shot, he's trying to take the lights out. | ||
| No, I'm definitely going to watch it. | ||
| He's a wild motherfucker, man. | ||
| I think this is an interesting fight. | ||
| Jon Jones should be the strong favorite. | ||
| He should be a giant favorite. | ||
| But it doesn't mean it's not going to be interesting. | ||
| Because this dude's style. | ||
| Because he's so fucking wild. | ||
| The question is going to be, how does he perform? | ||
| How does he perform when that octagon door shuts? | ||
| And you look over, you see it's Jon Jones. | ||
| And title fight. | ||
| The title fight. | ||
| But I think one of the reasons why John talking shit to Stylebender is one of the pros is we're talking about him, right? | ||
| Because we probably wouldn't have talked about him versus Santos on this show if it wasn't happening. | ||
| It keeps him relevant. | ||
| You know, he is... | ||
| Probably the biggest name in the sport now, outside Connor. | ||
| The guy who's the most active, him and could be probably the biggest names. | ||
| Him talking shit to Stylebender. | ||
| I actually think it helps Stylebender too, right? | ||
| Because now he's associated with the greatest of all time. | ||
| He wants to be the greatest of all time. | ||
| And it's going to get there, and I can't fucking wait. | ||
| When he goes, alright, I'm ready for heavyweight. | ||
| Him versus Francis? | ||
| Dude, what are we going to do? | ||
| What are we going to do? | ||
| Him versus Stipe? | ||
| Kane? | ||
| Well, they're probably... | ||
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God! | |
| If the Brock Lesnar deal doesn't get done, the talk is Stipe versus DC. Because the Brock Lesnar deal is not done. | ||
| Now, in that whole process... | ||
| Because Brock lost? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| No! | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| What? | ||
| WWE. Fuck! | ||
| You didn't know? | ||
| I thought it was real. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Did you see Game of Thrones? | ||
| I'll give you some more spoilers. | ||
| Dude, I did! | ||
| Bet your sweet ass I did. | ||
| Don't talk about it. | ||
| People get angry. | ||
|
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I know. | |
| Shut up! | ||
| There are dragons. | ||
| It's DVRing! | ||
| Dragons are real. | ||
| They think that Brock might not fight. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| Brock has to decide. | ||
| This is something he definitely wants to do. | ||
| Hey Brock, quit fucking giving us blue balls and get the fuck in there. | ||
| Get the fuck out, dude. | ||
| You know, he's got to make the commitment. | ||
| And I know he's been training. | ||
| He's been training a lot. | ||
| And he's trained with some high-level wrestlers. | ||
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I like Brock. | |
| I hope it happens. | ||
| Brock DC? July? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| That July card is stacked. | ||
| You've got to be careful with Brock. | ||
| Remember when he tagged Randy Couture and dropped him and hammer-fisted him into oblivion? | ||
| Yeah, Randy was 48 years old, but I hear ya. | ||
| I hear ya. | ||
| I like how you sell me on these fights. | ||
| Remember how he smashed Frank Mir? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was terrifying. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| Him and Frank hated each other? | ||
| And he fucked Frank up? | ||
| Well, it's because Frank got him with that knee bar, and he tapped. | ||
| The referee didn't stop it. | ||
| Dana White says, Steepy Miocic, not Brock Lesnar, next and last. | ||
| When did this happen? | ||
|
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What's that? | |
| The pre-conference, maybe? | ||
|
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Oh, wow. | |
| But that's just a headline. | ||
| He goes, we don't know what Brock's going to do, but if it doesn't happen, it's Stipe. | ||
| Oh, that's just one of them. | ||
| They got us! | ||
|
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They got you! | |
| They got us. | ||
| You know better, Jamie. | ||
| But it worked. | ||
| See if we can listen to it, whatever. | ||
| Click-baity motherfuckers. | ||
| They got us. | ||
| I love Stipe. | ||
| Stipe DC. I'm like, alright. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I need something spicy, man. | ||
| I get what you're saying, and I get the Brock Lesnar appeal. | ||
| I would rather see Stipe. | ||
| Stipe. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because you're a purist, and that's why I like you, but not me. | ||
| I'm like the Prentice Hilton of MMA. First of all- Not me, sir. | ||
| Out of respect- I know. | ||
| He deserves it. | ||
| He won. | ||
| He defended the title more than any human being that's ever held it. | ||
| He's the number one guy in the heavyweight division. | ||
| So you have to rate him the greatest heavyweight of all time. | ||
| If you look about accomplishments, he's the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time. | ||
| DC's not? | ||
| In terms of accomplishments. | ||
| Just because he's done it four times. | ||
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Okay. | |
| You know, DC beat him. | ||
| Obviously, DC is supposed to... | ||
| I mean, if you had to rank him, you know, like, right now, like, one through ten... | ||
| Think about DC's beat Roy, Frank... | ||
| DC's number one, because he's the champion and he knocked him out. | ||
| To say he's number two would be silly. | ||
| But to say, like, the all-time greatest, most accomplished heavyweight... | ||
| Your boy Dana says DC. That's what Stipe is. | ||
| Okay, the all-time most accomplished greatest heavyweight is Stipe. | ||
| You've got to take into account. | ||
| Well, Kane never defended as many times as Stipe did. | ||
| The question is, did Kane beat the better guys? | ||
| Did he beat Junior Dos Santos when Junior was young? | ||
| Before, he'd been through those wars with Kane, right? | ||
| Because by the time Stipe got him, Junior had been in some wars. | ||
| And Junior has looked really good lately. | ||
| He looks amazing. | ||
| But you can never discount that damage. | ||
| I'm not saying that he's not as good now. | ||
| I think he's still phenomenal now. | ||
| But the Bam Bam Tuivasa fight, knocking out that dude, that dude's tough as shit, man. | ||
| Knocking that motherfucker out and the way he did it, he looks good, man. | ||
| Dude, is JDS Francis of ESPN card? | ||
| That's not a pay-per-view. | ||
| I think that's fucking... | ||
| Is he ESPN? I think so. | ||
| We should do a fucking companion. | ||
| We should do it if we're around. | ||
| And he fought Derrick Lewis, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stopped Derrick Lewis. | ||
| Stopped Derrick Lewis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, Junior Dos Santos still is an amazing fighter. | ||
| That's on the July card. | ||
| Ah, fuck. | ||
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So... | |
| I'm gonna watch it. | ||
| When Stipe beat him... | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Stipe can knock anybody out like that, too. | ||
| It's hard to say. | ||
| You know what the problem is with Stipe? | ||
| The problem is... | ||
| DC's fought, what, twice since their fight? | ||
| Stipe's just been chilling. | ||
| Well, he's been wanting this rematch, man. | ||
| I get it, but it's a risky thing when you're a former heavyweight champion and you're gonna take a fight when you rightfully deserve a rematch. | ||
| And what if you get hurt while you're taking this fight? | ||
| What if you have this fight and you get hurt? | ||
| And then you have knee surgery, and then you're out for another year, and then DC loses it, and DC retires. | ||
| He wants to fight him again. | ||
| And the way to fight him again is to hold out. | ||
| To hold out this whole time? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Obviously, the UFC... He wants to fight DC again. | ||
| That's the way. | ||
| Well, now, in hindsight, because Lesnar and John Jones are not going to heavyweight, but he's the third choice in all this. | ||
| Fuck waiting for that. | ||
| I thought it was very interesting that John said that to Stipe... | ||
| How weird is that? | ||
| I don't think it's weird. | ||
| I think it's the same thing. | ||
| The same thing we do with Stylebender. | ||
| He's just fucking with everybody. | ||
| He's getting his name out there. | ||
| He's learning from Connor. | ||
| See, I think there's more to it. | ||
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What? | |
| I think UFC was fishing and went, hey, you down to fight Stipe? | ||
| And John went, yeah, fuck up, Stipe. | ||
| And they went, Stipe, you down to fight Johnny? | ||
| Yeah, fuck up, John. | ||
| I think there's more to it. | ||
| You think so? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What makes you say that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No reason at all. | ||
| Maybe they did have some preliminary discussions as to whether or not the two would engage in fisticuffs. | ||
| Maybe they did. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| It's a great fight. | ||
| Stipe deserves it 100%. | ||
| He deserves big fights, man. | ||
| Look, the guy doesn't deserve to be forgotten. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| But again... | ||
| His Francis and Gano fight was one of the most impressive heavyweight title defenses. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Because Francis was on fire. | ||
| He was so dangerous. | ||
| Do they have Francis ranked ahead of him now? | ||
| Just be disrespectful. | ||
| But Francis has done work. | ||
| Stipe's got to be the number one contender. | ||
| No. | ||
| What? | ||
| Stipe's number one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Come on, man. | |
| Have to be, right? | ||
| Have to be. | ||
| You never know with the rankings. | ||
| Have to be. | ||
| Have to be. | ||
| Stipe and Francis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stipe beat Francis. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| Stipe beat Junior. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| Dude, Francis Dos Santos. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Dude, I can't believe that's even happening. | ||
| Boy, he gets dicey down that heavyweight. | ||
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After six, it gets dicey. | |
| Look, man. | ||
| Francis... | ||
| There's only 15 heavyweights in the world. | ||
| Francis with takedown defense... | ||
| Francis with an understanding of what it's like to fight five rounds. | ||
| And Francis with a little bit more experience. | ||
| And good... | ||
| Dude, him with Dos Santos. | ||
| Fucking luck. | ||
| Stipe booked a jiu-jitsu match, I saw. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
| Against who? | ||
| Dude, imagine you blow your knee out in a jiu-jitsu match, and you can't fight for the title. | ||
| Those jiu-jitsu matches are backfiring, trust me. | ||
| They're rough, man, and those big dudes want to fuck you up. | ||
| Depends who he's going against. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| Fight to win 110 in Cleveland against... | ||
| Please don't say it's a leg lock guy. | ||
| Please don't say it's a leg lock guy. | ||
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Oh no! | |
| Or Cyborg. | ||
| Cyborg will rip your legs apart. | ||
| Or Gordon Ryan. | ||
| Gordon Ryan can't really do that right now, right? | ||
| Or Gary Tonin? | ||
| Gordon Ryan just tore his knee. | ||
| No, there's no info on his opponent. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That's because he's probably booking a fight. | ||
| He's like, see ya. | ||
| Dude, your boy Ben Askren is fighting. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| Masvidal. | ||
| He's fighting Masvidal, but I'm saying he's doing a wrestling match with Jordan Burroughs, right? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| God, man. | ||
| That's like May 6th, I think. | ||
| You know, if Ben Askren can really hang with Jordan Burrow still... | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Because everybody who rolls with him, I've never even clinched with him, but everybody who's done everything with him... | ||
| The closest I came to a clinch is like, that hug you do when you bro hug a dude. | ||
| Get the over-under a little bit just to feel it out. | ||
| But they say that it's like he's got four arms. | ||
| They say, dude, it's ridiculous. | ||
| Dean Thomas was telling me. | ||
| Dean Thomas was saying, dude, it's ridiculous. | ||
| It's like it doesn't even make sense. | ||
| Wallywops, world champions, we all know. | ||
| Yeah, just ragdolls people. | ||
| That's how good his wrestling is. | ||
| I mean, if you see that fight with Robbie Lawler, the fucking bombs that guy took. | ||
| It's fucked up early, man. | ||
| And the fact that he still figured out a way to get a hold of Robbie Lawler's neck. | ||
| He still figured out a way to get him into that headlock. | ||
| And Robbie knew he wanted to clinch with him. | ||
| He couldn't keep him off of him. | ||
| Dude, I was sweating in that fight because you and I hyped him up so much. | ||
| I was like, oh, please don't get starched in the first round. | ||
| It's still a super controversial ending to me. | ||
| You had Herb on. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Well, Herb said that, first of all, Herb Dean is the shit. | ||
| Nice guy. | ||
| Couldn't be nicer. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| But I love his perspective. | ||
| He's so laid back. | ||
| His ego is so healthy. | ||
| When he talks about things, you don't see any... | ||
| It's very reasoned. | ||
| It's like a Buddhist sloth. | ||
| But he's just chilled out. | ||
| And he's very self-deprecating and chilled out about it. | ||
| But he had a very good point. | ||
| He was like... | ||
| That's not just a manipulation of the neck, like, in terms of, like, cutting off the carotid artery. | ||
| He's like, this is a manipulation of the spine. | ||
| It's like a bit of a neck crank. | ||
| He was talking about, like, you look how he's got a hold of the head, and how he goes... | ||
| What I'm concerned with is if someone's going unconscious from some nerve shit. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Yeah, like, from a neck crank. | ||
| Like, apparently, he had seen a guy who had gotten neck cranked like that, and then afterwards, the guy couldn't walk. | ||
| He, like, couldn't move. | ||
| It came back... | ||
| But for moments, he couldn't move. | ||
| See, this is just shit we don't even think about. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's why he's Herb Dean. | ||
| He's the gold standard. | ||
| He's the gold standard. | ||
| It's Big John McCarthy and him, and Big John doesn't do it anymore. | ||
| So it's Herb Dean's numero uno. | ||
| And just that, when you think about it, and Askren says, what he says is that, see, that's nasty, dude. | ||
| That looks terrible. | ||
| That's nasty. | ||
| The way he's holding on to the head like that and cranking your neck, I like that they're not rematching. | ||
| It's a very bad position. | ||
| I like that the UFC went, oh, alright, we're good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I dig that. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I want to see it again. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I think that I agree with Herb Stoppage, and I see that the arm went limp, but then the thumb came up. | ||
| But then as soon as he let go, Robbie jumped up. | ||
| Usman had me convinced that Robbie was never out. | ||
| But Herb had me convinced that it was too dangerous for him to allow it to continue once the arm dropped in that weird way. | ||
| So do you side with Herb? | ||
| You have to side with Herb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In that situation. | ||
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He's the expert. | |
| You have to side with Herb. | ||
| Because he's right. | ||
| Because that is a special circumstance. | ||
| See, I looked at it in terms, and I didn't even consider this when I was talking to Usman, that I looked at it in terms of, it's just a choke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| No, it's a neck crank. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| So... | ||
| But still, I'd love to see it again. | ||
| I'd like to see it next. | ||
| So if they both win, because Askren Masvidal? | ||
| I know. | ||
| That doesn't get your dick hard? | ||
| No, Askren Masvidal is wild. | ||
| And then let's say Askren wins that, which is a tough fight to win. | ||
| That's a tough fight. | ||
| And then say Woodley and Lawler, say Lawler wins that, then they fight, it's even bigger. | ||
| Woodley versus Lawler, though, that's a tall order. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, after Woodley knocked him out. | ||
| Well, it's a tall order for both of them. | ||
| For both fights. | ||
| It's a tough fight. | ||
| For both fighters. | ||
| It's a tough fight to call either way. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm really interested to see how Woodley bounces back, but he's been saying all the right things. | ||
| I love Woodley. | ||
| I love Woodley, too. | ||
| And one of the things that I love that he said, he said he didn't realize the value of the title until it was gone, and now he really understands it. | ||
| I mean, I just think he really understands it now that it's not there anymore. | ||
| He's not the champ anymore. | ||
| And to get beaten in a... | ||
| It's not like a fight. | ||
| You could make a rematch with Kelvin and Stylebender in six months. | ||
| True. | ||
| Back and forth. | ||
| Yeah, you can make that rematch. | ||
| Kelvin knocked him down. | ||
| Kelvin hurt him. | ||
| That wasn't that kind of fight. | ||
| No. | ||
| Usman looked so good. | ||
| Different fight. | ||
| Usman looked spectacular. | ||
| Former champions Tyron Woodley and Robbie Lawler to meet in UFC main event. | ||
| Yeah, that's what we're talking about. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's booked. | ||
| Yeah, it's booked. | ||
| Yeah, that's what we're talking about. | ||
| Minneapolis, right? | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I'm not going to be there for that one. | ||
| It's a fight night? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| June 29th, Target Center. | ||
| That's a hell of a fight. | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| That's a fight night. | ||
| Two former world champions. | ||
| And, bro, Robbie Longler, physically, in that last fight, shredded. | ||
| He said he had this crazy strength and conditioning program. | ||
| Super motivated, you know? | ||
| Dude, we haven't talked about this on air. | ||
| We talked a little bit at the Comedy Store. | ||
| How about your boy T.J. Dillashaw? | ||
| It's both our boys. | ||
| Yeah, it's not good. | ||
| Did you see his apology? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| What'd you think? | ||
| Well, I mean, at least he's just straight up admitting it. | ||
| I think that's what you have to do, because then you're kind of like, yeah, I fucked up. | ||
| Then people can't really come at you. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he's being honest about it. | ||
| Oh, I do have to correct something. | ||
| Someone wrote an article that said that Cody Garbrandt found out that TJ tested positive for his fight, too, and Cody went crazy. | ||
| I think I got duped by a click-baity article. | ||
| No, we all got duped. | ||
| Everyone thought that. | ||
| I think somebody got us with a click-baity article. | ||
| But everyone did. | ||
| But I should have been more responsible. | ||
| So my apologies to TJ. So I don't think there's been another one that they tested him on that he's positive. | ||
| They're looking into it now. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| This is something that I know. | ||
| EPO is not always tested for. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Did you see Dana? | ||
| What'd he say? | ||
| Because USADA's expensive as fuck. | ||
| He goes, hold on. | ||
| You guys aren't... | ||
| He didn't know. | ||
| He goes, you guys aren't testing for EPO every time. | ||
| We pay this much money for you num-nups to show up, guys, at three in the morning and test them. | ||
| You're not testing every time and we pay this much. | ||
| He goes, I had no idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, time to cancel USADA. Thanks, boys. | ||
| Thanks, boys. | ||
| Thanks for playing. | ||
| See ya. | ||
| Everything's been looking good. | ||
| Jeff, take it from here. | ||
| Come back. | ||
| Be cool, bro. | ||
| Yeah, next thing you know. | ||
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Everybody's back looking thick and juicy. | |
| I guess what they're going to do is they're going to go back and see if they still have the samples for when he did beat Cody and test those for EPO. Well, this is what you and I were talking about when we were at the store. | ||
| We were like, how far do we go back? | ||
| Dude, I'm telling you, Joe, you don't want to go down that road, man. | ||
| I said, test them all! | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| Test them all. | ||
| Let's find out what's real. | ||
| Why? | ||
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Why do you want to do that? | |
| Test them all. | ||
| You're crazy, dude. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| You're going to ruin the foundations of the UFC. This is an intellectual exercise. | ||
| I don't really want you to test them all. | ||
| But if I was going to argue, I'd say test them all. | ||
| Line it up. | ||
| Let's find out what's up. | ||
| We've always wondered. | ||
| Have we? | ||
| Not me. | ||
| I've never wondered. | ||
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You want to test Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner, UFC? Test them all. | |
| The fight that catapulted the freaking UFC? But then again, test all the football players, test all the baseball players. | ||
| Everyone's feelings are going to be hurt. | ||
| Did you watch Screwball? | ||
| Did you watch Screwball? | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| Holy shit is it good. | ||
| The Billy Corbin documentary? | ||
| Do you know what they did? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They had little kids play A-Rod and the doctor. | ||
| It's crazy, right? | ||
| It's hilarious, dude. | ||
| I know the story. | ||
| The story's nuts because it's in the people who are actually there narrating it. | ||
| They're telling the story and they got these little kids playing A-Rod and playing the doctor. | ||
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It's brilliant. | |
| It's fucking great, man. | ||
| It's a crazy story, though. | ||
| It's a crazy story! | ||
| I feel bad for TJ, man. | ||
| You know what, man? | ||
| When everybody makes an agreement to not cheat, and they're testing you all the time to try to make sure that you're not cheating, don't you think that the environment's different now than it was before you saw it was initiated? | ||
| And don't you think that's a good thing? | ||
| I'm putting words in your mouth. | ||
| Notice how I phrased that question? | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Come on, Fox News or something. | ||
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I know. | |
| Thanks. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| It is better overall for the purity of the sport. | ||
| I think it's better. | ||
| But I still assume guys are going to figure out a way to cheat. | ||
| Because PEDs in sports is no different than a referee or a judge or gloves. | ||
| They go hand in hand. | ||
| People have always done PEDs or enhancements in every aspect, whether it's football, basketball, music, surfing, sex. | ||
| It's just what humans do, especially when the odds are so high that this little thing can help you achieve. | ||
| Maybe it gets you a victory, but you know? | ||
| And then also with TJ Dillashaw's thing, granted, we know EPO is illegal, but this one's a little different. | ||
| If you tested positive for like steroids or whatever, like straight up steroids, because if you and I engage in a fight and we have eight weeks to train and you go to Mount Everest or where the fuck you want to get your red blood cells higher and then fight me back at sea level, but I just stay here and inject those red cells. | ||
| You know? | ||
| The difference is that if you operate at sea level and you're taking EPO, you will be able to work much harder and get more rounds in and you'll recover much better. | ||
| If you are up at altitude, the problem is living and training really at high altitude. | ||
| You can't put out as much output. | ||
| But the night of the fight, we're going to have the same. | ||
| No. | ||
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Why? | |
| The EPO will have more. | ||
| Way more? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| No, you're going to have a stroke from that stuff. | ||
| Not if you do it right. | ||
| Depends on how much you're taking, but that was one of the things Nowitzki was telling me about were young cyclists that were just having strokes. | ||
| Well, your boy, I think it was Lance Armstrong, maybe he was on your show, but he would wake up in the middle of the night and have to ride a bike because his blood was so thick. | ||
| That was my friend Salami. | ||
| Do I know Salami? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I'll explain. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| You can't chill for long. | ||
| He was a bike racer. | ||
| You'd have to wake up in the middle of the night and ride your bike. | ||
| I think Lance did discuss how guys would do that. | ||
| I think that's where I got it, yeah. | ||
| We've talked about it. | ||
| Maybe Lance did. | ||
| Did Lance talk about having to get up in the middle of the night? | ||
| Or did you and I talk about this? | ||
| Did I talk about getting up in the middle of the night riding a bike? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
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No. | |
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| But anyway, obviously, look, with the Lance Armstrong thing, I feel like Everyone was doing it. | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| You think TJ's the only one? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think other people are taking EPO and they're hoping they don't get caught. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think it's still cheating. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And I don't think everybody's doing that. | ||
| I think there's a lot of guys who are doing it honorably. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Most guys are doing it honorably. | ||
| I think you could get it in your mind. | ||
| Look, I don't... | ||
| It just is what, to take from Max Holloway, it is what it is, right? | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| It's cheating, right? | ||
| TJ would admit that, I'm sure. | ||
| He did admit it. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| But, I mean, I don't even know if I have a point. | ||
| I don't know if I do either. | ||
| I was going to say the guy's trying to provide for his family, but so is everybody else. | ||
| So is Cody Garbrandt. | ||
| So is Henry Cejudo. | ||
| So is everybody. | ||
| Everybody he finds. | ||
| But I would like to sit down with TJ. I've reached out to him since he's been suspended. | ||
| I want to sit down with him just like... | ||
| Why did you do it? | ||
| What led you to this? | ||
| Because his cardio has been great since he was a child with his wrestling background. | ||
| At what point along the way, was it six years ago, six fights ago, did you think you needed to do this in order to beat these guys? | ||
| Well, we could look at one thing that we know that he's been doing. | ||
| He has a rigorous strength and conditioning program. | ||
| That training lab strength and conditioning program that he's doing? | ||
| I have an issue with that. | ||
| I understand your issue. | ||
| But that shit is off the charts crazy difficult. | ||
| They're doing wild stuff and medicine ball work and plyometrics and all this stuff. | ||
| And TJ looks like a fucking beast when he's doing it. | ||
| Have you seen Brian Ortega's workout? | ||
| With Mike? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They do crazy shit too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'm not justifying it. | ||
| But what I'm saying is that... | ||
| In order to do that kind of work, like to put out that kind of pace, your body's going to have to have some time to recover in between workouts. | ||
| Well, if you take EPO, that time of recovery is diminished quite a bit, according to Nowitzki. | ||
| He's saying it allows guys to put in more work. | ||
| So it doesn't just give you more cardio. | ||
| It allows you to recover faster so you can train harder. | ||
| And you know... | ||
| As well as anybody. | ||
| That sometimes the difference between victory and defeat is just having a little more in your gas tank. | ||
| Just having a little longer camp. | ||
| Not being injured the last couple of weeks. | ||
| We lost some cardio. | ||
| You know those awful feelings. | ||
| Well, if you had the opposite of those awful feelings, instead of being compromised, being enhanced, it's going to help you mentally. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's going to help your head. | ||
| You're going to come in there like a fucking champion. | ||
| What's that song he always comes into? | ||
| Oh, give it away, give it away? | ||
| No. | ||
| Is that what he comes to? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He comes to Red Hot Chili Peppers. | ||
| Oh, does he really? | ||
| I always forget, guys. | ||
| The only guy whose walkout music I always remember. | ||
| Two. | ||
| Two. | ||
| One was, of course, Matt Hughes. | ||
| Because he'd come out to Country Boy Can't Survive. | ||
| Country Boy, yeah. | ||
| That fucking song. | ||
| Who's the other? | ||
| Randy Couture when he came out to Stranglehold. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| Not Anderson Silva? | ||
| DMX? Oh, that's right. | ||
| That shit was fire. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was scary. | ||
| Mickey Gall's got the best one, though. | ||
| You think? | ||
| Oh, Mickey, you're so fine. | ||
| I don't like that one. | ||
| No, I don't like that one. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Wonder Boy's got a good one. | ||
| What's a Tenacious D song? | ||
| It's called Wonder Boy. | ||
| Oh, is it really? | ||
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Oh, that's pretty dope. | |
| Words are like, Wonder Boy, what is the secret of your powers? | ||
| Oh, that's awesome. | ||
| Who came out to the Game of Thrones song, though? | ||
| Someone came out to Game of Thrones. | ||
| That's pretty gangster. | ||
| It's a little boring, but you know, shit's about to go down. | ||
| But still, it's something special. | ||
| Did you see D'Elia, that fucking dork, with his shirt off, doing an air violin to Game of Thrones? | ||
| Fully committed. | ||
| Fully committed. | ||
| I was like, what are you doing? | ||
| He's so silly. | ||
| He's so fucking silly. | ||
| He's so silly, man. | ||
| Do you think, I was thinking about TJ, do you think two years is good enough? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| Two years without income? | ||
| But here's the question. | ||
| What are they going to do? | ||
| What if they decide? | ||
| What if Cody demands that they test his sample for EPO? That's a good question. | ||
| So let's say they can test that. | ||
| This might have already happened and we don't know. | ||
| You'll know before me. | ||
| So let's say that they go back and test the two fights with Cody that he beat him. | ||
| So let's say both test spots for EPO. I don't think they will, but let's say they did. | ||
| That's three, brother. | ||
| That's the three strike rule. | ||
| You're out for life. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Can they go back that far and do it? | ||
| I mean, this would be... | ||
| I'm stressed. | ||
| This would be the best argument for getting rid of... | ||
| Nowitzki says Dillashaw was tested for EPO in both fights against Cody Garber. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Shout out to Nowitzki. | ||
| Results came back negative. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So... | ||
| So he's good. | ||
| Yeah, so he's good for that. | ||
| But they could go back to, you know... | ||
| But go ahead and go, because if he didn't do it during Cody Garbrandt fights, come on, dude. | ||
| Well, how long has he been training at the training lab? | ||
| Was the first Cody Garbrandt fight when he was out of Denver? | ||
| He was switching time and then moved here permanently because of the training lab. | ||
| But also... | ||
| Which was the first fight? | ||
| Was it the Cody Garbrandt fight? | ||
| I'm pretty sure. | ||
| The first Cody Garbrandt. | ||
| The first one. | ||
| But also, at 125, it makes sense to do EPO. Because cutting that weight, 125, Henry's going to have more... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No energy when he's trying to train. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you're wrecked. | ||
| So that would make more sense. | ||
| That does make sense. | ||
| They tested hot for it one time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Maybe that was the only way he could make the 25. Fuck. | |
| That's awful. | ||
| Awful. | ||
|
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Oof. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Still. | ||
| Just before this first fight with him. | ||
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What's that? | |
| Before UFC 217, the Madison Square Garden fight. | ||
| Okay, so that's it. | ||
| Yeah, so that's when they started training together. | ||
| That makes sense when he would do it, right? | ||
| Yep, makes sense, because he's trying to get down to an ungodly weight. | ||
| Dude, he looked so bad when he was walking around that day. | ||
| Shredded city. | ||
| The day... | ||
| But no, no, no, it was more than... | ||
| It was Skeletor style. | ||
| That's why I'm talking shredded like an Ethiopian kid. | ||
| If it was more like a... | ||
| Like someone who was starving. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It was like his face was so sucked in. | ||
| I was worried about that. | ||
| I was like, this just doesn't look good. | ||
| He looks so sick. | ||
| He looks like an ultra marathon runner. | ||
| Like one of those crazy dudes who's just doing one every weekend. | ||
| God, I need to get like that. | ||
| What is the one on the bottom? | ||
| 135. 135? | ||
| Wow, he looks so much bigger. | ||
| That's crazy, the difference in the amount of muscle he carries on. | ||
| Like, his body ate muscle. | ||
| What a nightmare. | ||
| What a bad decision to go to 125. Well, and also, to do it where he wasn't draining himself that much, because he got down to like 135 naturally, and then bought the last 10. That training lab, and they have to do a safe face. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But TJ came on my show, and he's talked about it in other interviews, saying how they did blood work every day and tested everything. | ||
| You're telling me that when you insert fucking EPO, no one had any idea. | ||
| You're doing it yourself. | ||
| And this is the other alarming thing. | ||
| EPO is not a gateway drug. | ||
| It's not like marijuana, the drug. | ||
| It's not gateway PDs. | ||
| That's some black belt level shit. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah, talk to your boy Lance about it. | ||
| You just don't start with EPO. Hmm. | ||
| That's some high-level shit, man. | ||
| Because think about it. | ||
| Your blood thickens. | ||
| You've got to run tests. | ||
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Right. | |
| You want to start with some Anivar. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A little quick windstraw. | ||
|
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What's up, baby? | |
| See what's up. | ||
| Look at the traps coming in, son. | ||
| Damn, this shit's dope. | ||
| I'm only four weeks in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| EPO's some serious shit, man. | ||
| That is serious. | ||
| That's a very good point. | ||
| Now, maybe someone came to him and was like, dude, better cardio at 125. EPO's the way to go. | ||
| And I know how to do this. | ||
| Let's go down this road. | ||
| Who do you think is going to be the first dude to come along with gene editing? | ||
| Might be Yo Romero. | ||
| Just a Cuban experiment. | ||
| Just some fucking crazy science project. | ||
| God. | ||
| He never gets old. | ||
| He's a ninja turtle and he took a shot off. | ||
| He looks exactly the same. | ||
| What is happening here? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He doesn't age like a normal person. | ||
| Probably some Chinese dude. | ||
| Yeah, one day they're going to deal with that. | ||
| One day there's going to be a person who shows up. | ||
| Who is ridiculously jacked, that never gets tired, and is fast as fuck. | ||
| Everyone's fucked. | ||
| And everyone's fucked. | ||
| If they've figured out a way, I mean, how much can they manipulate cardio when you have big muscles? | ||
| That's what we're going to find out. | ||
| We're going to find out if there's a point where the physical structure won't hold any more muscle, and you can't get any more oxygen through it. | ||
| You only get to a diminishing point of returns. | ||
| What are you going to do, then? | ||
| China would be the first one. | ||
| China for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Or Russia. | ||
| Jack Chinese dude. | ||
| Russia doesn't need it. | ||
| They're like, we're big in here. | ||
| They think they might have already done something like that with Corellin. | ||
| Did you ever see Corellin and his parents? | ||
| No. | ||
| The crazy conspiracy theory was always that Corellin, who was one of the most feared wrestlers, if not the most feared wrestler ever, who just would take 300 pound men and hoist him through the air, and he moved like a panther, and he's a big giant guy. | ||
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Panther. | |
| His parents were small. | ||
| They're little tiny folk. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| They called him the experiment. | ||
| There's a picture of him. | ||
| I think it was Sports Illustrated. | ||
| One of those sports magazines where he's got his hand on his mom and his dad. | ||
| They're like, his children, bro. | ||
| He's a giant. | ||
| He might just be a freak, though. | ||
| Might be a freak. | ||
| I don't think Shaq's parents are big. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Holy. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That's him with Fedor. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Dude, I am telling you. | ||
| He's a gigantic. | ||
| Go to that black and white photo of him looking ferocious. | ||
| Look at that picture of him right there with the shirt. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Click on that one. | ||
| Click on that one. | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| Listen to me. | ||
| Oh, he has giantism. | ||
| Look at his chin, dude. | ||
| He's got more than that, dude. | ||
| He's got more than that. | ||
| He's got more than that. | ||
| How big is he? | ||
| He's fucking huge, man. | ||
| Look at that picture with him. | ||
| That's him right there. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Bro, he would pick dudes up and they would go for a motherfucking ride. | ||
| Guys would try to flatten out and lay their whole body on the ground in hopes that he couldn't pick them up. | ||
| He would clinch his hands underneath their belly, hoist them up in the air like a fucking pillowcase, and smash them on the ground. | ||
| He's the guy our American beat. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The fat guy who lost his toes in the winter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Rulon Gardner. | ||
| Yes! | ||
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Yes. | |
| Did you have him on here? | ||
| No, I never had, but I would. | ||
| But Rulon Gardner beat him in the twilight of his career. | ||
| Does not take anything away from Rulon. | ||
| But he only beat him by a point because he made Carell and separate his hands. | ||
| It was a sumo match, basically. | ||
| It was a controversial new rule. | ||
| It was like a controversial new changing in point system. | ||
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Look at Rulon. | |
| I believe I'm calling that correctly. | ||
| Look at Rulon. | ||
| Make sure I'm calling that correctly. | ||
| Like how Rulon Gardner... | ||
| Yeah, that Russian. | ||
| That's fucking right. | ||
| Dude, he was so scary. | ||
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Dude, he's just... | |
| Jack! | ||
| He was so scary. | ||
| And he had one, I think he had a fixed fight in Japan. | ||
| It looked like a work. | ||
| You know, like they do those. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| They used to do those in Japan. | ||
| They still do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It looked like he had- Tension and fucking Floyd was fixed. | ||
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What? | |
| You think he was real? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Oh, Joe. | ||
| You want to watch it again? | ||
| We can. | ||
| Why do you think it was fixed? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Do you watch it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just think it's some bullshit. | ||
| No, it was a guy who's a legitimate 155 pound man who is fighting... | ||
| Do you see Intention crying and rolling around on the ground? | ||
| A dude who fights at 126. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Who's never had a professional boxing match. | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| Who's fighting against the greatest boxer of all time. | ||
| Listen to what you're saying. | ||
| He's so small. | ||
| Intention's fixed. | ||
| Intention's their fucking poster boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, here's Floyd Mayweather, dude. | ||
| I don't think they thought he was going to knock him out. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Tension's a beast, man. | ||
| I mean, you've seen him fight. | ||
| He's a beast, but when it comes to, I have, but when it comes to boxing. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| But they were really thinking he could hit him. | ||
| This was the thought, was that Tension is really a striking genius. | ||
| Have you never seen him? | ||
| So is Conor McGregor. | ||
| Well, no, no, no, but it's different. | ||
| Tension is faster, it's smaller. | ||
| I mean, he moves like a lightning bolt. | ||
| And in Japan, the fact that this kid's only like 18 or 19 years old and been fucking people up, including knocking out world Muay Thai champions, so they threw him to the wolves real early on. | ||
| Okay, let's watch this. | ||
| And tell me why you think this is fake. | ||
| I see a dude who's so much smaller than Floyd. | ||
| Look how little he is. | ||
| Way smaller. | ||
| He's way smaller. | ||
| Floyd is not even remotely nervous. | ||
| He's not remotely nervous. | ||
| This kid is, I mean, a fantastic kid. | ||
| Remember Floyd laughing? | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| Remember, he didn't even do this to Conor. | ||
| Of course, Conor can knock him out. | ||
| This guy can't knock him out. | ||
| He's supposed to be the next big thing. | ||
| Dude, he's a great kickboxer, but he's not kickboxing. | ||
| He's boxing. | ||
| You're not going to outbox Floyd Mayweather when you've never had a professional boxing match. | ||
| At least I don't think he has. | ||
| He's had a lot of kickboxing, though. | ||
| And in kickboxing, he's fucking amazing. | ||
| But he's also amazing against guys that are 126 pounds. | ||
| That's so 18. Dude, look how small he is compared to Floyd. | ||
| Floyd's tiny. | ||
| And look how easily Floyd blocks those punches. | ||
| And he's not feeling any danger. | ||
| So he just tries to put it on this kid. | ||
| He's walking him down. | ||
| He's walking him down. | ||
| Looking for an opening. | ||
| This is the first round. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Why would he wait? | ||
| Boom! | ||
| He cracks him. | ||
| Why would you wait? | ||
| Cracks him? | ||
| He just cracked him. | ||
| That was a crack? | ||
| You don't think... | ||
| Back it up. | ||
| Back that shit up, Jamie. | ||
| Back it up. | ||
| Let's watch it again. | ||
| Dude, he cracked him. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| Let it roll from here. | ||
| He gets him in his corner, He hit him with the left hook to the temple. | ||
| You don't see that left hook to the temple? | ||
| Watch one at a time. | ||
| Pink. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| He fucking cracked a dude who's a legit 30 pounds lighter than him on the temple and dropped him. | ||
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How dare you? | |
| You just watched it. | ||
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Cracked? | |
| You just watched it. | ||
| Dude, that is a full-on left hook. | ||
| And he goes flying back? | ||
| That is a full-on left hook. | ||
| First of all, there was a stumble in there as well. | ||
| But he hit him. | ||
| See the stumble after he got rocked? | ||
| Dude, that's a tough one, Joe. | ||
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It's not tough at all. | |
| I don't see that there. | ||
| It's not tough at all. | ||
| The kid gets up. | ||
| He got wobbled. | ||
| They give him a standing eight count. | ||
| He looks nervous as fuck. | ||
| He looks over. | ||
| He got stung, man. | ||
| You're fucking crazy. | ||
| He got stung. | ||
| And now Floyd moves in, and the kid's even trying to fire back. | ||
| He's just not good enough, man. | ||
| Floyd's standing right in front of him with his fucking hands up. | ||
| The kid's got no chance. | ||
| He's much smaller. | ||
| No experience against a guy as good as Floyd. | ||
| And Floyd's walking him down with his hands. | ||
| This is real, man. | ||
| This is real. | ||
| That kid's trying to hurt him. | ||
| He just can't do it. | ||
| He's fighting the best ever. | ||
| And then, boom! | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| That was legit. | ||
| That was real as fuck. | ||
| That overcut was legit. | ||
| No, all of it's real. | ||
| That first one didn't look legit. | ||
| You should know. | ||
| We've all seen guys get hit with shit that didn't look like much, and they go down. | ||
| We've all seen it. | ||
| We've all seen guys get touched on the chin, and they fall down. | ||
| Look at Floyd. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Do you remember Travis Luter versus Marvin Eastman? | ||
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Yes. | |
| You remember that? | ||
| A lot of people said that was fixed. | ||
| They're like, that's fake. | ||
| No one gets hit with a punch like that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Sometimes you come into a fight compromised. | ||
| Look, this is 100% legit. | ||
| One, two, right on the fucking head and he falls down. | ||
| Dude, this is 100% a legit fight. | ||
| This kid got fucked up by the best boxer of all time. | ||
| He's 126 pounds. | ||
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He's tiny. | |
| None of this made any sense in the first place. | ||
| Zero sense. | ||
| But you gotta admit that's a real fight. | ||
| That looked pretty legit. | ||
| I'll give you that. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| That's a real goddamn fight. | ||
| That first one was questionable. | ||
| The next two were great, though. | ||
| No, it wasn't questionable at all. | ||
| Well, I'm just saying, for the argument, for my first one, it looked questionable. | ||
| To me, if you watch the whole thing play out in slow motion, what happens is you see a left hook, and then you see a stumble, and Floyd moves in, and their legs tangle up a little bit, and then Floyd hits him with a right hand when he's on his way down. | ||
| Floyd fucked that dude up. | ||
| That's all that happened. | ||
| Did you see Manny Pacquiao signed with him now? | ||
| Is he having a mouthpiece in there? | ||
| Or is that one of those real tiny... | ||
| He probably took it out. | ||
| I mean, the whole fight that I was watching that video, it didn't look like he had one in. | ||
| Dude, he probably didn't even want to wear a mouthpiece. | ||
| Fuck your mouthpiece. | ||
| Fight in Japan. | ||
| Well, think about it. | ||
| This was a... | ||
| This wasn't a sanctioned fight. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| No mouthpiece. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He don't need a mouthpiece, son. | ||
| Dude, they let Dos Caros... | ||
| Remember that dude? | ||
| That suspect. | ||
| That dude who wore the... | ||
| What was the guy's name that wore the wrestling mask when he fought Crow Cop? | ||
| That's one of the best pro-cop KOs of all time. | ||
| Like a scene from a movie. | ||
| Dos Caros? | ||
| Is that who it was? | ||
| I'm trying to remember his name. | ||
| But anyway, Crow Cop hits this dude with the perfect left high kick. | ||
| Shin to the dome. | ||
| The guy goes down like he got shot and blood starts leaking under. | ||
| What the fuck was he thinking? | ||
| Yep, Dos Carlos. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| But when he lands this kick, dude, the end is so crazy. | ||
| It's like a scene in a movie. | ||
| Like a Quentin Tarantino movie. | ||
| Some dude who is a pro wrestler who decides to fight one of the best kickboxers of all time to ever. | ||
| Ever entering to MMA. Boom! | ||
| Now watch this. | ||
| Watch when they focus in on Homeboy. | ||
| When he's down, the blood. | ||
| Let me see this. | ||
| It doesn't end. | ||
| Oh, it ended. | ||
| During Pride, when it ended, the dude is sitting there. | ||
| You see blood trickling out from underneath the mask. | ||
| He shinned him. | ||
| Dude, how about Crow Cup had to retire? | ||
| I think it was something in his neck or his heart. | ||
| He had to retire, though. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| He had a health scare. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| He had like a small heart attack, I think. | ||
| Is that right, Jamie? | ||
| Some health concern. | ||
| Okay, a stroke. | ||
| Stroke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He had to retire. | |
| I broke up on a stroke? | ||
| The thing with Whitaker, I was trying to bring it up, but you guys were going too fast. | ||
| He had an abscess on his, not a torn rectum, but it's in the same area. | ||
| And then because he was taking antibiotics for that, he got chicken pox. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| Which once he had that, his whole team was like, you're not fighting. | ||
| He still kind of wanted to. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's such a monster. | ||
| So he had a cyst in his rectum? | ||
| He had the hernia and then an abscess. | ||
| An abscess. | ||
| It's not in your rectum. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It's a muscle tear. | ||
| It's like a pus pocket thing. | ||
| But probably from some sort of an injury, right? | ||
| You can get it from a lot of different things. | ||
| Have you ever had a hemorrhoid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're awful. | ||
| Awful. | ||
| Why does Preparation H work so well? | ||
| It doesn't work out. | ||
| If you have a serious one, don't give a fuck. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I've had a grape one. | ||
| No, I didn't let it go. | ||
| I did deadlifts or something and went, let's not do that. | ||
| And flared up the size of a small grape. | ||
| Yeah, they get gross. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Ari bleeds every time he shits. | ||
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Still? | |
| Yep. | ||
| That can't be healthy. | ||
| Gotta be bad. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Have you had one, Jamie? | ||
| Yeah, once, but I was just picturing Ari's. | ||
| He, like, shows pictures of just, like... | ||
| Yeah, just lots of them. | ||
| He sends you those. | ||
| I love Ari's tweet about Game of Thrones. | ||
| Spoiler. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I want to talk about it. | ||
| Yeah, stay offline. | ||
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Yeah, that's what I say. | |
| If you want to know what happens, stay offline. | ||
| Love Game of Thrones. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty dope last night. | ||
| I mean, we can't give away any spoilers, but how good are those goddamn special effects? | ||
| They're good. | ||
| Fucking dragons, man. | ||
| There was a lot to get this episode. | ||
| They had to tie everything together, so it's slow. | ||
| So if you're new to it, yeah, cut the shit. | ||
| Get the White Walkers fighting now. | ||
| They also need, let's be honest, you can't do this all in eight more episodes. | ||
| You're lying to us. | ||
| They're going to, though. | ||
| I thought it was only five. | ||
| I thought it was only six total. | ||
| I could be way wrong, but they're longer, too. | ||
| The last two are 80 minutes long. | ||
| I think this first one's the shortest one, right? | ||
| I thought it was eight. | ||
| Isn't it crazy that the show is the most popular show in the world and they're going to stop it? | ||
| I wonder what... | ||
| They're just like... | ||
| It's like the whole thing you always want. | ||
| If you're in show business, they have the most popular show in the world. | ||
| But it's good to go out, right? | ||
| It is good to go out. | ||
| But I mean, you know how hard it is to get the most popular fiction show and one of the greatest fiction shows, if not the greatest ever? | ||
| And you're there in the peak of it. | ||
| How many people are watching it? | ||
| Like, how many watched last night, do you think? | ||
| 17.7. | ||
| Yeah, there's only six episodes. | ||
| Do you know how crazy that is? | ||
| 17.7 million people watch something on HBO. That's crazy. | ||
| You know what that would be like if it was Fox? | ||
| If it was CBS? I was just thinking like Roseanne was like 40 million. | ||
| It would be off the charts. | ||
| Because everybody has regular channels, but everybody doesn't have HBO, especially today with Netflix and all these different things. | ||
| Dude, how many people would watch it if it was on YouTube? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| But would you watch it on your TV on YouTube? | ||
| Yeah, I watch it all the time on my TV on YouTube. | ||
| Do you have an app you use? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you use it for Apple TV? Well, no, I have Dish. | ||
| I can just go to channel 372 and it's YouTube. | ||
| And I click and watch all my shows. | ||
| 372 on DirecTV as YouTube? | ||
| Dish. | ||
| On Dish. | ||
| There might be 371's Netflix. | ||
| It's amazing that there's only one, right? | ||
| Like, there's Vimeo, but, like, YouTube, in terms of, like, how much content is online. | ||
| They have a big competitor that not a lot of people talk about. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Pornhub. | ||
| For real, though. | ||
| No, they do. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| There's a lot of people that have had to move, and they put their content on there, whether or not they're doing, like, there's tits out or whatever, too, but a lot just uncensored, and, like, there are people actually making money on there also. | ||
| With ads? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But probably nowhere... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how much they're actually making. | ||
| There's a ton. | ||
| There's a lot of guys on there. | ||
| They're on both websites, though. | ||
| When is VR porn going to really start taking off? | ||
| When those headsets don't become so cumbersome to wear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't jerk off with a backpack. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Attached to a wall with a cord. | ||
| You just want to be able to relax, you know? | ||
| You won't be able to relax. | ||
| That brain tracking thing, though, would be an interesting thought. | ||
| While you're beating off? | ||
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You want to find out what's happening? | |
| Meanwhile, Jamie's just thinking about animal attacks. | ||
| No, it's Jamie. | ||
| Do we know how many users does YouTube have compared to everyone? | ||
| It's not even close, right? | ||
| You don't even have to have an account to go watch a video. | ||
| No, you don't have to log in or nothing. | ||
| It's really a crazy business model, right? | ||
| They figured out some wild thing. | ||
| Let people just stream shit. | ||
| And the thing about it is that there's no one else like it. | ||
| Like, where the fuck are the next ones? | ||
| There's nothing even close. | ||
| I'll say this, too. | ||
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Crazy, right? | |
| Like, I've never... | ||
| Just go back to the fights. | ||
| I swear on my life, I've never done a legal stream ever because I was thinking I was taking away from the fighters. | ||
| Didn't want to fuck them over. | ||
| And when I couldn't figure it out... | ||
| And I thought I might have to do that. | ||
| I got probably 2,000 DMs of links and I'm just thinking, this is how people watch the fights now. | ||
| It's a real problem. | ||
| I was in a coffee shop before I came here and the guys were fight fans and listened to my shows and they go, man, what did you think of the fights? | ||
| I went, yeah, yeah, good. | ||
| How did you guys watch it? | ||
| And it's four young guys and they go, come on, man. | ||
| We're not paying $80. | ||
| Tons of people are doing that. | ||
| But I think it's actually good for the fighters. | ||
| I think it's good. | ||
| It's good for their popularity, for sure. | ||
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Correct. | |
| And that's all they care about because the UFC's going to pay them a finite number no matter what. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's probably also good for the sport that way, too, because more people see it, more people see how awesome it is. | ||
| The more people that saw that last fight, the more people are going to recognize how... | ||
| Because think about ESPN Plus and when you have to buy the pay-per-view, you're limiting how many people can see that by buying these paywalls. | ||
| So with these illegal streams, at least for the fighter's sake, everyone can see these great matchups. | ||
| Yeah, I know what you're saying. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I'm always torn. | ||
| Because I don't want the UFC to shut down. | ||
| I love the UFC. Love the fucking UFC. I don't want it to do bad. | ||
| I hope these numbers do great. | ||
| But when I see what I have to go through as a diehard fan... | ||
| Like, my dad was like, oh, I'm out. | ||
| Nope, I'm not doing it. | ||
| I'm like, come on, man. | ||
| He's like, no, too much. | ||
| So I'm wondering how many people did that. | ||
| I'm sure quite a few. | ||
| But that's... | ||
| You know, it is what it is. | ||
| There's nothing... | ||
| To site Max Hallway again. | ||
| There's nothing you can do. | ||
| Those streams are legit. | ||
| They're going to fix it, but the day's over. | ||
| Yeah, the streams are going to exist. | ||
| There's nothing they can do, really. | ||
| They've got to make it easy for people to just get it. | ||
| Make it easier. | ||
| And once they make it easier, once everybody's set up, I think the numbers will go up. | ||
| I think most people don't want to go through the hassle of going through a stream and putting it on their television. | ||
| Most people just want to be able to tune in. | ||
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Correct. | |
| Correct. | ||
| And if you can get that ESPN Plus on everything, that's the other problem, right? | ||
| If you have, like, DirecTV, and that's the only way your TV's set up. | ||
| Your TV's not set up for the internet. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| So then what do you do? | ||
| You know, what if your internet's not strong enough to stream it? | ||
| Even with all that, but then, yeah, if you're not strong enough to stream it, you're fucked. | ||
| That's a problem for people. | ||
| That's for everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's for a fight? | ||
| But now, if you're 18 to 36, $80, and let's say you're struggling to get by, $80 is a lot of money. | ||
| It's $80 for the whole year, though. | ||
| The whole year of ESPN Plus and the fight. | ||
| Hold up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not $80 for all the pay-per-views. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, sir. | ||
| No, for ESPN Plus, a membership for a year. | ||
| Correct. | ||
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But if you want to see the pay-per-views, you've got to pay $80. | |
| Yeah, but how much would a year cost of ESPN Plus? | ||
| $60. | ||
| $60? | ||
| $5 a month. | ||
| So, for $79, you get the fight and a year of ESPN Plus. | ||
| Not pay-per-views. | ||
| Not pay-per-views. | ||
| And there's 10 pay-per-views. | ||
| You just get all the fights, all the fight nights, every fight that has happened. | ||
| I wonder if you get to ESPN fights... | ||
| As well as the ESPN Plus fights. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| But the pay-per-views... | ||
| Of course they would do that. | ||
| Why wouldn't they do that? | ||
| So if there's 10 pay-per-views and they're $80, that'd be another... | ||
| The 80 bucks was just for the one deal. | ||
| Just for the one. | ||
| But they can do it again. | ||
| They might have other deals. | ||
| You might get to buy two for one in the future. | ||
| There's a lot of content on there now, too, because they put the pay-per-views up there. | ||
| They put a bunch of pay-per-views up there, like the older fights. | ||
| Like Fight Passy. | ||
| Fight Pass style. | ||
| On ESPN Plus? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They put the old fights on there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you can watch some old fights. | ||
| UFC Fight Pass is just over then. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What do you do with it? | ||
| There's other stuff on the Fight Pass that you can't get on ESPN Plus. | ||
| Make sure I'm right about that. | ||
| Eddie Bravo jiu-jitsu stuff, that kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, Fight Pass is a lot of great shit. | ||
| But they have glory too. | ||
| How dare you guys. | ||
| Make sure that's true though. | ||
| That ESPN Plus has older pay-per-views. | ||
| I'm pulling my thing up right now. | ||
| I don't think so, Joe. | ||
| Pretty sure it does. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, pretty sure that in the lead up to one of these fights. | ||
| Well, you can click on it, but you can't go back and say, watch UFC 183. You can't? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| I think they might only have... | ||
| That would be kind of cannibalizing Fight Pass. | ||
| Fight Pass is... | ||
| They only have the stuff that was aired through ESPN. From now on, they'll have all that stuff. | ||
| They're building their library from this point. | ||
| Must have been a pain in the ass, but I know Fight Pass, like, what? | ||
| UFC 229, the Khabib Conor you can watch on here. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah, so that does have, but only certain ones. | ||
| Yeah, there's only certain ones. | ||
| 197's on here also. | ||
| Okay, so it's not all of them. | ||
| But there's some, so you're right. | ||
| There's some, but it's not like Fight Pass where you can go through and see all the guys' fights. | ||
| So Fight Pass, you can see everything. | ||
| You can see every Pride fight. | ||
| Fight Pass for me is like, I like throwing up some shit that I've never watched before. | ||
| Like some Muay Thai. | ||
| Like where, you know, just some dudes I've never seen fight before. | ||
| Yeah, I love doing that. | ||
| I have no interest in that. | ||
| I like doing that when I work out, for whatever reason. | ||
| Well, ESPN now, though, but on ESPN 2, those throw up classic fights. | ||
| Max Holloway, Brian Ortega was on. | ||
| Connor, Nate Diaz, too. | ||
| I'll watch those when I'm working out. | ||
| But again, with all this ESPN and buying this and $79.99, I've never been a dark web guy. | ||
| And when I clicked on this, I'm like, dude, this is a problem. | ||
| Because it's so good. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| And when I talk to the young fans around, they're like, yeah, man, why would we pay $80? | ||
| I'm like, I can't tell you. | ||
| Because I used to always think you'd be fucking over the fighters. | ||
| Do you understand the tech knowledge behind it? | ||
| Do you know how they would stop it? | ||
| How do you stop a stream? | ||
| I have no clue. | ||
| From where I've watched, they can fight them, but you can't stop them. | ||
| Remember when they were suing people? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My buddy got sued. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He put on his gym. | ||
| He put a paper on his gym and it came after him. | ||
| Did he make people play or pay? | ||
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No. | |
| No? | ||
| No, he just had it on. | ||
| Just put it on for free? | ||
| He paid the whatever the- Who ratted him out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Or they can track the IP address and we're like, hold up, this is a gym where you owe us this much money. | ||
| And then they look at the capacity or this is how much it is to do that. | ||
| So he paid just this, whatever, $69.99 at the time. | ||
| He went, hold up. | ||
| You're doing it from a public gym and it fits $300? | ||
| You owe us, whatever, $15,000. | ||
| Oh, so he made the pay-per-view. | ||
| So he paid for it. | ||
| Like on his laptop, but streamed it on a big thing. | ||
| They don't fuck around, man. | ||
| This is also for U.S. only. | ||
| So for people that are outside of the United States, the ESPN Plus thing doesn't. | ||
| It's not for them. | ||
| They still watch through Fight Pass or whatever. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They also get it on their regular networks. | ||
| Correct, correct. | ||
| Like BTS or whatever. | ||
| They don't have all that. | ||
| Like, English fans were making fun of me when I was having proms. | ||
| They're like, you fucking Americans. | ||
| I'm like, yeah. | ||
| So in England, they can watch it for free? | ||
| A lot of it, yeah. | ||
| And Brazil. | ||
| They don't have a pay-per-view thing in England the way we have it here. | ||
| They do, but it's cheaper. | ||
| Like, when Joshua fights, it's like $19.99. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Huh. | ||
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Why? | |
| Are we suckers? | ||
| Like, what's going on? | ||
| Is that what it is, Jamie? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| We're willing to pay for it, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| If someone's fighting and it's a crazy fight and you've got to pay $70 for the HD... Think how many people bought Floyd Mayweather Pacquiao for $100? | ||
| Is that what it cost? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| $9.99. | ||
| They've never gotten cheaper from what I remember in my whole life. | ||
| It's always been around $60 maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems like it's always in the $59, $99, $69, $99, something like that. | ||
| It's never cheap. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not cheap. | ||
| They're wild encounters. | ||
| Dude, I panicked though. | ||
| When I couldn't figure it out and I knew four of my favorite fighters, I panicked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, listen, I love working for the UFC, but I used to fucking love watching, and I still love watching a good pay-per-view. | ||
| I love pay-per-view. | ||
| From the comfort of my own home. | ||
| Nothing better, dude. | ||
| Just sitting down, kicking back. | ||
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The best. | |
| Watching it all play out. | ||
| Listen, if I did watch it on the dark web, I'm saying I did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if I did, I did buy a Stylebender shirt to give back to the UFC. Oh, that's good. | ||
| So you're still getting some money. | ||
| How much does Stylebender get out of that? | ||
| Seven cents. | ||
| I was thinking about just DMing him $80. | ||
| He should just start selling his own shirts. | ||
| I wonder if you can. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| I don't think so, right? | ||
| You have to sell a deal. | ||
| It has to be through Reebok. | ||
| That would be insane if that's the truth. | ||
| I'm sure it is. | ||
| Don't you think? | ||
| Do you think fighters must have some sort of a garment and apparel deal? | ||
| Because they all have Stylebender t-shirts. | ||
| Everybody has a... | ||
| You could buy a t-shirt with Yoel Romero. | ||
| But I bet you can still sell your own shirt. | ||
| Do you think so? | ||
| Seems like an unknown fighter would be prevented from doing that. | ||
| Would be a little strange to stop from trying to build their name. | ||
| That would be fucked up. | ||
| But if you're Stylebender... | ||
| Oh no, Conor has his own gear. | ||
| Conor has his McGregor August shit. | ||
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What is that? | |
| His own line of clothing. | ||
| Yeah, but that's like a... | ||
| It's not athletic gear. | ||
| Yeah, that's not athletic gear. | ||
| That's David August. | ||
| He makes the suits that I wear for the UFC. You're right, bro. | ||
| So as a fighter, you can have your own shirt and slang it? | ||
| I don't think you can. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not a businessman. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But I would think they have an apparel deal. | ||
| With Reebok? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I know that I Know You, that Yoel Romero shirt, which I almost wore today. | ||
| I forgot to wear it. | ||
| That'd been hilarious what you did. | ||
| Dope shirt. | ||
| Great shirt. | ||
| Is it Reebok? | ||
| It's Reebok shirt. | ||
| Do you see the stylebender Reebok shirt? | ||
| No. | ||
| Fucking dope. | ||
| It looks like the Matrix is all different colors. | ||
| Shit was sick. | ||
| That fight was sick, man. | ||
| He showed who the fuck he is in that fifth round. | ||
| He showed who the fuck he is. | ||
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Great fight. | |
| That was a great fight. | ||
| In that fifth round. | ||
| Favorite fight. | ||
| He went out there like a fucking monster. | ||
| They both went out like monsters. | ||
| Both of them. | ||
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They did. | |
| They did both go out that way. | ||
| Just Stylebender eventually got to him. | ||
| That fifth and final round. | ||
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Woo! | |
| And that's what he said when I interviewed him. | ||
| That he just felt like he was ready to just... | ||
| Throw it all out there. | ||
| He was talking to himself in that fifth round and he was saying something to that. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| He decided to go out there and be a champion. | ||
| Dude, think about if, let's say Francis becomes world champion, which is definitely a possibility, he's number two. | ||
| You've got three African champions. | ||
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Boom, boom, boom. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, if Daniel Cormier decides to retire, and Francis keeps getting better, I mean, Francis has only been doing mixed martial arts for what, five years? | ||
| Four months. | ||
| He's so powerful, man. | ||
| That's what I told him. | ||
| I told him, wait it out, let DC do his thing, and you just go do your thing. | ||
| Because he just kept saying, whatever gets me entitled, I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Let's not fight DC. Let him go out and do his thing, then you go. | ||
| What that dude needs is a best friend who's a super heavyweight wrestler. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| That's what that dude needs. | ||
| Just a best friend who's like, bro, I'm not going to hurt you. | ||
| He needs that Russian. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's friendly. | ||
| That guy's like 55. No, no, I'm saying a guy like that. | ||
| You should watch a wrestling match with him because it was so preposterous. | ||
| The way he would hoist guys up in the air. | ||
| Google Karelin slams. | ||
| Dude, there's no way that guy's clean. | ||
|
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I can't believe you don't know about him. | |
| No, I've heard of him. | ||
| When I saw him, I recognized him. | ||
| I had a picture of him on my Instagram. | ||
| I used to have it in my favorites on my iPhone. | ||
| I'd pull it up every now and then just to remind me of what a pussy I am. | ||
| Dude, that guy's so intense. | ||
| It's the black and white one with him grabbing the guy and all the fucking teeth and the muscles. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Our American beat him. | ||
| Rulon Garner beat him. | ||
| He's all chunky. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Watch how he'd hoist guys up in the air. | ||
| Guys would be like, please don't serve. | ||
| That's embarrassing. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
|
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Boom! | |
| He hit you. | ||
| He's just using the ground. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| But look how devastating this is to you. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| He's driving you with all his fucking weight, all that momentum and power, and he's knocking you the fuck out, man. | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| Powerful Reebok sweatshirt. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Reebok, back in the day, was sponsoring Corellon. | ||
| Dude, he's so ridiculously big and strong. | ||
| Dude, who's the little boy wrestling there? | ||
| That's all he has. | ||
| Who the fuck's he going to fight? | ||
| Another 7'3 guy? | ||
| Be nice. | ||
| Who the fuck's he going to do? | ||
| Look at the Reebok shoes. | ||
| Look at the fucking monster, man. | ||
| How tall was Carell? | ||
| I think he was like 6'9 or something like that. | ||
| Wasn't he undefeated for like ever? | ||
| For years? | ||
| He's only 6'3", it says. | ||
| He says he's only 6'3". | ||
| That seems weird. | ||
|
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What? | |
| That doesn't seem to make sense. | ||
| But he was undefeated forever. | ||
| Oh man, when he was fighting, I think he was 300 plus pounds. | ||
| What does it say there? | ||
| 285. 285. Okay. | ||
| He's 51 now. | ||
| God damn, that guy was a gorilla. | ||
| I wonder what he does now. | ||
| I think he works with wrestlers. | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| I mean, I think, you know, that whole Russian program, they probably have a very prestigious position. | ||
| Yeah, wasn't he undefeated forever to Rulon Beaton? | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah, but again, the way he beat him, if you could please Google that, because I think Rulon Garter beat him, and this does count, but by getting him to separate his hands. | ||
| Yeah, I was looking that up. | ||
| They had to do a video review, even, of something that happened, and then Rulon was awarded the point, and then that made Carellin be extra aggressive. | ||
| And Rulon kind of ran, right? | ||
| He had a 54-inch chest. | ||
| He said that was really hard for him to get his hands around in the first place. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's right. | ||
| Rulon's a big fella. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Remember when Rulon fought MMA? He was blasting people with a jab. | ||
| He was like getting hit with the bottom of a dumpster. | ||
| He was so big. | ||
| Then he went on a hike and got lost in Colorado and lost his toes and fingers? | ||
| No, I think he was snowboarding. | ||
| Snowmobiling. | ||
| I think he was snowmobiling and it broke down and he got frostbite and lost toes. | ||
| He lost at least one toe, and I think he kept fighting, man. | ||
| I think he fought in Japan, and I think they let him wear shoes. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| They let you wear wrestling shoes. | ||
| What's he doing now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He was on The Biggest Loser. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| He had eaten a lot after he retired from fighting. | ||
| Bro, he was so big. | ||
| Country-fed, son. | ||
| Look at the size of that motherfucker. | ||
| That was when he was on The Biggest Loser. | ||
| He was 474. That boy got some tits high. | ||
| Yeah, but look at him in Pride. | ||
| Go to Rulon Gardner in Pride when you see him in shape as an MMA fighter. | ||
| You realize what a dangerous guy he was. | ||
| He was an enormous man. | ||
| Everyone should be thanking their lucky stars that Russian freak didn't decide to start fucking doing that. | ||
| Look at him right there. | ||
| Look at him in the far left. | ||
| Far left. | ||
| That picture. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| That was... | ||
| Who did he fight there? | ||
| He ain't skinny. | ||
|
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That's... | |
| God damn it. | ||
| That's the judo guy. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I can't believe I can't remember his name. | ||
| That guy was amazing. | ||
| Weren't they two Olympic medalists? | ||
| Who does it say that is? | ||
| It doesn't say. | ||
| But I think they're both Olympic gold medalists. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Just go to Rulon Gardner's MMA Wikipedia. | ||
| Ediko Yoshida. | ||
| Oh, Yoshida. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yoshida started out, he was a gold medalist in judo and was fighting with the Gion. | ||
| Yeah, because I remember that fight because they were saying they're both gold medalists. | ||
| I forgot about Yoshida. | ||
| Another great fighter that was fighting during the Pride days. | ||
| But here's the point. | ||
| Rulon Gardner was so much bigger than him, dude. | ||
| Go back up and you see that photo of the two of them standing right there. | ||
| Jamie, the one. | ||
| Yeah, that picture. | ||
| That's how you get just an understanding of the difference in size. | ||
| Rulon didn't have that many fights, though. | ||
| Dude, he was so big. | ||
| He was smashing that dude with a jab, too. | ||
| He was beating him with a jab. | ||
| Yoshida was getting stunned by this giant heavyweight jab. | ||
| Shout out to Rulon Gardner. | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
| I don't know if that was his first love, though. | ||
| I think he really loved wrestling. | ||
| He said he was burnt out of wrestling, too, though. | ||
| I remember seeing that, and then he went to MMA. That's tough, man. | ||
| After all the years of wrestling, especially at that international level. | ||
| How many of those guys do you think, in the top echelon of amateur wrestling, if they just decided, you know what, fuck this, I'm going right into MMA right now? | ||
| How many of those guys would be a giant nightmare for everybody? | ||
| All of the above. | ||
| All of the above, right? | ||
| Think about Jordan Burroughs. | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| With his athleticism? | ||
| Dude. | ||
| And world-class experience? | ||
| And work ethic? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just the knowledge and the mental fortitude it takes to become Jordan Burroughs? | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| That's why it's so crazy that Askren and him are going to go at it while Askren is in the middle of embarking on an MMA career. | ||
| Dude, what if Askren beat him? | ||
| What if he takes him down? | ||
| That would be insane. | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| I don't know wrestling that well to the point where does Astro stand a chance? | ||
| We're going to get lit up on the internet for this, but does he even stand a chance? | ||
| Or is that crazy? | ||
| No, I think he does. | ||
| I don't think he would take it if he did it. | ||
| I don't think he would take it if he didn't either. | ||
| He's too smart. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I want to see. | ||
| I'm very curious. | ||
| He's so hard, dude. | ||
| Go ahead, go ahead. | ||
| If there's odds for it. | ||
| If there's odds? | ||
| Well, I would imagine Jordan Burroughs has got to be the favorite because... | ||
| You want to see how big it was or something? | ||
| Yeah, because Askren has been fighting MMA for so many years now with one and then before that with Bellator. | ||
| The Bellator one is such a weird situation because he was clearly dominant and clearly their champion. | ||
| And they just let him go. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I'm really excited about him and Masvidal. | ||
| Because if there's anybody that's going to be able to give him a really hard time by being sneaky and creative and using slick counter punches and having good wrestling takedown defense and good defense. | ||
| And he wrestles with a lot of big guys. | ||
| Big, powerful guys. | ||
| He's a slick customer. | ||
| That's a real interesting fight. | ||
| Because he has such a giant advantage on the feet. | ||
| Especially coming off of the Darren Till fight. | ||
| Him being able to knock out Darren Till like that, that's a giant statement. | ||
| I mean, Darren Till is a legit expert striker. | ||
| I mean, he's a lightning-fast knockout puncher, knockout kicker, nasty Muay Thai skills, and to see Masvidal crack him like that and drop him... | ||
| So, it's like, there's never been a better time, like Shab and I were saying, to like fights. | ||
| There's never been better. | ||
| There's never been a better group of champions and contenders either. | ||
| It's like everyone is at the top of the chain. | ||
| So what were you pulling up right there? | ||
| I was trying to find out if there's odds on the fight or what's going on. | ||
| It's a charity event, apparently. | ||
| So I don't know that it... | ||
| They're also fighting, but they're weighing in at 74 kilograms, which is 163. Put that up so I can see it. | ||
| It's 163? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So Ben's got to lose some weight. | ||
| He could do that easy, though, I'm sure. | ||
| He doesn't say too much more about it, really. | ||
| It's at 163, apparently. | ||
| The Jordan Burroughs-Ben Askren match. | ||
| Brendan Shaw, back from peeing. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's the best feeling in the world when you have to piss for a long time. | ||
| Nothing better, dude. | ||
| And you find... | ||
|
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Nothing better, bro. | |
| Very interesting. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| I'm looking forward to that. | ||
| Where can you watch it? | ||
| Is it on... | ||
| I think it's a pay-per-view thing, right? | ||
| Online? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| It doesn't say? | ||
| I'll definitely pay for that. | ||
| Flowwrestling.com. | ||
| I'm on the dark side. | ||
| Don't go. | ||
| No, I'm not going to. | ||
| I'll definitely pay $80. | ||
| Imagine if you got sued. | ||
| Imagine if they went after you. | ||
| This is allegedly. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm an ESPN Plus cardholder. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| And I contribute. | ||
| Well, you should be able to illegally stream. | ||
| No one should say shit. | ||
| Why? | ||
| If you're a cardholder. | ||
|
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Oh, no, no, because it doesn't get for the pay-per-view. | |
| I try to give them my money, dude. | ||
| That's a bold move on the UFC's part to go with ESPN Plus for all their pay-per-views. | ||
| That's a bold move. | ||
| That's like when Apple got rid of the CD tray. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's a little shocking at first. | ||
|
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No more CDs? | |
| But I'm sure they'll figure it out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, you're an ESPN employee now. | ||
| It looks like it. | ||
| Congrats. | ||
| Well, I'm an independent contractor. | ||
| That's what the fighters say, too. | ||
| I am. | ||
| I'm an independent contractor. | ||
| But to watch, you have to have ESPN. Yes. | ||
| I pay for it. | ||
| I pay for it. | ||
| Listen, I love ESPN, so I grew up with ESPN. Listen, man. | ||
| I think it's good for the sport. | ||
| I think these hiccups aren't great, but... | ||
| The future is in streaming. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The future is in something on the internet. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| As long as everyone... | ||
| See, right now, there's a lot of people out there that got fucked because they might have a nice TV, but it's not set up for the internet. | ||
| And they couldn't set it up in time. | ||
| So, it's going to take a little bit of an adjustment period, you know, and eventually, you know, some people don't want to have to go out and fucking buy something that's internet ready, like a TV that's internet ready. | ||
| To watch it on your TV. If you've got a TV at home and you've got a satellite and you don't know how to fucking set up your TV for the internet. | ||
| You're not banking on those people. | ||
| They're banking on the people who figure this shit out in the future. | ||
| But what I'm saying is it's going to be a bit of a learning curve for a lot of people before they absolutely know this is how to do it. | ||
| So that's why it's a bold move. | ||
| But you have to do it, whether it's now or in six years, you have to do it. | ||
| You don't want to do it in six years, because then everybody will already have done it. | ||
| Dude, I support the movement. | ||
| Yeah, you've got to be there in six years. | ||
| So six years down the line, everybody knows, pay-per-view tonight on ESPN+. That's what they're going to say. | ||
| They're going to say, dude, pay-per-view tonight on ESPN+. I bet you it's not ESPN+. I bet you in six years, just ESPN. There won't be any+. | ||
| I bet everything's digital. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It's a good move. | ||
| It's funny because the only reason to have regular TV for a lot of people is live sports. | ||
| Regular people, a lot of people, like, look, you can get a whole fucking year of whatever TV show you want to watch on iTunes, or you can watch Netflix. | ||
| But now YouTube has sports. | ||
| Right, but remember how much it used to cost to get, like, cable? | ||
| Like, how much cable used to cost? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How much DirecTV used to cost? | ||
| How much did it cost? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I did have a dish sponsor for, like, the last eight years, and they were like, hey, buddy, no more. | ||
| So I have to pay for it now. | ||
| It's like a hundred-something dollars a month now? | ||
| Now think of that in terms of what Netflix costs. | ||
| What's Netflix? | ||
| Like 10 bucks? | ||
| Nine bucks or something like that? | ||
| Didn't they just raise it to like 15? | ||
| And then you need an internet connection. | ||
| And then that's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Apple TV? YouTube, Apple. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or Amazon. | ||
| Because I don't have HBO, but I have HBO now. | ||
| Amazon Prime is even more interesting because if you have Amazon Prime for shopping, you get Amazon Prime for free, like the TV. You watch the TV shows. | ||
| So you get to watch Mrs. Maisel. | ||
| Do you ever watch the guys from Top Gear? | ||
| Oh, I love those guys. | ||
| They went over to the Grand Tour. | ||
| Yeah, they went over there because they fired them and the other two guys went, fuck it, we're going with them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Type move. | ||
| Well, Jeremy Clarkson got drunk and punched some dude, and so they fired him. | ||
| I guess he was difficult on set or whatever. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| The guy's awesome. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| He's hilarious. | ||
| The best. | ||
| Funny dude. | ||
| Can't do a show without him. | ||
| And so, apparently, they just ended that show, and he was crying. | ||
| He cried. | ||
| He teared up. | ||
| Oh, it's over? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| Yeah, I think they committed to do a couple of seasons. | ||
| They were paying him so much money. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Well, it's a good move. | ||
| Rightfully so. | ||
| That Bezos dude's burning money. | ||
| He can do whatever the fuck he wants. | ||
| He has so much money. | ||
| Although his girl has half now. | ||
| She's third on the list of richest. | ||
| Chaka, chaka, chaka. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has that dimey piece with him now, though. | ||
| Hulu's got in a game, too, for live stuff. | ||
| So it's like everyone is playing the game. | ||
| Pretty soon it's going to be over. | ||
| Imagine if you're trying to shoot a sitcom right now. | ||
| Could you imagine if a guy got divorced from a woman who's like a duchess or some shit and made out in the deal as good as Jeff Bezos' wife was going to make out? | ||
| To be sick. | ||
| Did she get like a billion dollars or something like that? | ||
| She got way more than a billion. | ||
| She's going to get billions, son. | ||
| They said as soon as they divorce, she's going to be like top 10 richest in the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He gave her like 25% of his stock or some crazy shit. | ||
| But they did start together in his room. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Listen, man. | ||
| Yeah, she deserves it. | ||
| But it's hilarious. | ||
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It's hilarious. | |
| It's so much money. | ||
| Like, damn, she banked on it correctly. | ||
| She's hanging out with that dude when he was like 24 going, this is a fucking psycho. | ||
| He's going to run the world. | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| Yes, that picture. | ||
| That picture's amazing. | ||
| I want that. | ||
| Send me that picture. | ||
| Isn't that a great picture? | ||
| Do me a favor and send that to my phone. | ||
| I need to see that picture on my phone. | ||
| I'm going to replace the American flag with that. | ||
| Isn't that great? | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| And he's like shaved his head, TRT tan, stylus, ballin'. | ||
| Just look at that banner on the wall. | ||
| Just the little desk and shit. | ||
| The spray paint banner. | ||
| Look at him there. | ||
| Dude, and have you seen his new girl? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Holla. | ||
| Sure, that costs you about $40 billion, but you gotta be happy. | ||
| Yeah, he looks like he's enjoying it. | ||
| Also, when you have $80 billion, what's $40? | ||
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| How much can you spend? | ||
| And by the way... | ||
| You can't spend it. | ||
| Do you think he's gonna... | ||
| Here's the problem with that dude. | ||
| He might be making so much money that if you think about it, like, when did Amazon even start? | ||
| Was it 15 years ago? | ||
| I mean, what year was that? | ||
| A hot second ago. | ||
| Wasn't that long ago. | ||
| What's gonna be like 15 years from now when he's on fucking gene doping and they got a... | ||
| Backdated to a 24-year-old Bezos. | ||
| His chin looks thicker. | ||
| He's got shoulder caps. | ||
| He's going to be 85 years old, running shit, looking 30. How much money do you need if you're that guy? | ||
| He'll have a billion, billion dollars. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| If he stays healthy... | ||
| And is enthusiastic and still has this drive to succeed. | ||
| How much is he going to be worth? | ||
| When you start getting that kind of momentum, that's why companies like... | ||
| That's why you get people like Elizabeth Warren. | ||
| I don't know too much about her politics, but one of the things that I do know about her is she wants to shut down or break up some of these big companies. | ||
| You know, there's a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I forget what big companies she was talking about, but that would be an example. | ||
| Like, yeah, just too much power. | ||
| So much power. | ||
| So much power. | ||
| She'd probably want to break them up. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Because, like, you see, like, what is... | ||
| When you see capitalism play out, right? | ||
| You see someone... | ||
| They kick ass. | ||
| They want to make a lot of money. | ||
| And then they do. | ||
| And then they keep going. | ||
| And then they get to this point where they can make more money more easily, more often. | ||
| And they just keep going, keep going. | ||
| And then they get to this point where if you hit the right river at the perfect time with the most ambitious person ever at the helm, and you got this fucking boat running, running down this river, just passing everybody. | ||
| That's where you got Amazon with Jeff Bezos. | ||
| It was the perfect guy at the perfect time with the perfect adjusting to the role of Scrooge McDuck. | ||
| He's like, Elon wants to make a rocket shop? | ||
| Get me a rocket ship! | ||
| Correct. | ||
| It's an ego thing. | ||
| Why is he exploring space? | ||
| Isn't he busy? | ||
| What else are you going to do, though? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have nothing to do. | ||
| Like, what challenges does he have? | ||
| Bro, that one click is the shit. | ||
| If you need something, it's the shit. | ||
| Amazon? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's the shit. | ||
|
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The best. | |
| If you need anything. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just... | ||
| Just go fucking find it. | ||
| Bang, boom. | ||
| You don't have to think about it anymore. | ||
| That, to me, that means a lot to me. | ||
| That means everything. | ||
| Time. | ||
| I can save time and hassle. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I don't have to leave my house. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| She's actually the only third richest in the world. | ||
| Third richest woman. | ||
| They made a deal last month, or this month, actually, to give her $35 billion. | ||
| That's it? | ||
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Woo! | |
| Good for her. | ||
| And she keeps a 4% stake. | ||
| I thought it was more than that. | ||
| Damn, she is ballin'. | ||
| She's ballin'. | ||
| She's single? | ||
| Just 4% stake in Amazon is fucking insane. | ||
| And where is it going? | ||
| Where is it going? | ||
| What's it going to be 10 years from now? | ||
| What's it going to be 15 years from now? | ||
|
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Jesus. | |
| And she's got $35 billion. | ||
|
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Jesus! | |
| Jesus! | ||
| $35 billion. | ||
| I bet she went, alright. | ||
| She's so used to it. | ||
| I'll give you $35 billion. | ||
| You're not going to spend that. | ||
| She went, alright, cool. | ||
| Do you need $35? | ||
| But also, I think Jeff Bezos had a weird agreement with his new hot girl where they're not having sex until the divorce is final or some shit like that. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Yeah, it's like some weird thing. | ||
| Dude, just bust nuts. | ||
| That's the story. | ||
| They're staying away from each other until they... | ||
| Dude, what are you doing, Jeff? | ||
| ...are divorced and married or something like that. | ||
| She's getting divorced, too, I guess. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Oh, yeah, she's getting divorced, too. | ||
| If you want to live like a movie, you've got to write a script like a movie script. | ||
| Dude's already living like he's in a movie. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when you get married, make everybody dress up like priests or some shit. | ||
| Do whatever you want to do. | ||
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God! | |
| Make everybody dress up like a... | ||
| Like a Kanye service? | ||
| Yeah, like one of those. | ||
| Do whatever you want. | ||
| God, what do you do, man? | ||
| It's falling out of control. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Well, what would you do? | ||
| Just do whatever the fuck... | ||
| He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. | ||
| You're supposed to do whatever the fuck you want to do. | ||
| There's only one Jeff Bezos. | ||
| I know, but at what point do you just stop kind of... | ||
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You fucking keep the foot on the gas. | |
| Like, if you're The Rock, do you need to do 19 movies? | ||
| Or can we do three? | ||
| Last year I did 19 movies. | ||
| This year, 22. 22 movies! | ||
| He's gonna do 22 movies in the fucking year. | ||
| And I'm getting bigger, matter of fact. | ||
| Yeah, he'll be 3,000 pounds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, how many? | ||
| He's a gorilla, man. | ||
| That dude's so jacked right now. | ||
| He's so huge, too. | ||
| When you meet him in real life, you're like, oh my goodness. | ||
| He's so jacked. | ||
| He's so jacked. | ||
| He's so inspirational, too, man. | ||
| You know, he's... | ||
| But you know how he's being busy? | ||
| Like, how often is he home? | ||
| Dude, he's so inspirational. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard, man. | ||
| It ain't easy. | ||
| Well, I know my schedule. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I look at how often I'm home. | ||
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Look at this motherfucker. | |
| I look at his. | ||
| That's a silverback. | ||
| Dude, his Under Armour shoes are dope, too. | ||
| His workout shoes. | ||
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He's so jacked. | |
| Workout shoes are dope. | ||
| I love this fucking guy, man. | ||
| I love the fact that I can go to his Instagram at any time, and he's always super positive, and he's always super motivated and motivational, and he's always getting after it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| He's always getting after it. | ||
| But I wonder what it is in him that you have to do this many movies. | ||
| I think when he was young, man, he was young. | ||
| He fell upon hard times, and he never forgot. | ||
| And that's who he is now. | ||
| And he also knows that he inspires people with that work ethic. | ||
| Part of who he is... | ||
| Is not just the things that he accomplishes, but how he makes people feel. | ||
| Like that guy, he's an inspirational person. | ||
| I think the same thing you could say about Kevin Hart in a lot of ways, man. | ||
| Don't you think it's for selfish reasons too, though? | ||
| Because you check those boxes. | ||
| I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but there's also this ego. | ||
| Everyone has an ego that he has to fill. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| Which he gets from these movies and red carpets. | ||
| He talks about it. | ||
| He talks about kicking ass. | ||
| He talks about how everything's going great. | ||
| You know, he talks about... | ||
| Getting after it. | ||
| That whole aspect of it. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Yeah, but there's a getting after it. | ||
| Selfish. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| You have to be. | ||
| Yeah, you have to be. | ||
| For anybody who does anything really good like that, you've got to be doing some of it for yourself. | ||
| But he's also... | ||
| What he's getting out of it is what he gets out of it, but what he gives out of it, it's not just entertaining with that guy. | ||
| What's interesting is he's also super motivational, right? | ||
| He leads by example, which I appreciate. | ||
| Yes, always really positive. | ||
| Now, before social media, when you had an action star, you just had the guy that you went to see in the movie and you saw like... | ||
| You know, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Terminator. | ||
| Yeah, they would do interviews. | ||
| We can't relate to him. | ||
| Yeah, it would be kind of interesting. | ||
| But it wasn't this kind of thing. | ||
| The Rock is The Rock, and he's also The Rock on social media. | ||
| And he makes very good use of social media. | ||
| He's amazing at it. | ||
| Because he just talks right to the fucking camera. | ||
| And you could tell. | ||
| He knows what he wants to say, but he's speaking from the heart. | ||
| He's just talking to people. | ||
| And he has a plan, yes. | ||
| So he's interacting with people in a way. | ||
| You know who's done even better than this, which The Rocks might be the best, but on the other side of this, Will Smith. | ||
| He's fantastic. | ||
| Will Smith went, hold up, okay, so the movie's doing alright, but Instagram's the new shit? | ||
| Alright, let me focus on this, and it's, I mean, ridiculous how good he is on there. | ||
| Well, on YouTube as well. | ||
| Remember when he did that fucking dance on the roof of that bridge? | ||
| Climbed up. | ||
| Don't fall down, Will Smith. | ||
| Don't fall down while you're dancing. | ||
| Kevin Hart's good on social media too, though. | ||
| No, he's phenomenal at it. | ||
| He's one of the most inspirational guys I've ever talked to. | ||
| Kevin? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I liked his message. | ||
| And so positive. | ||
| Super positive. | ||
| But genuine. | ||
| Genuine. | ||
| Not a bullshit positive. | ||
| Not a fake show business positive. | ||
| Not a motivational show business positive. | ||
| He's got a healthy outlook. | ||
| He does so many things, though. | ||
| I got tired just listening to him talk about all his businesses. | ||
| He has so much energy. | ||
| He was talking about all his businesses. | ||
| I was getting exhausted. | ||
| I was like, how do you do that? | ||
| How do you have the time? | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I mean, he must sleep... | ||
| And he said he only sleeps a few hours a night. | ||
| But I mean, he must be just, from the moment he gets up, just fucking foot on the gas. | ||
| I wish I was one of those guys. | ||
| I wish I was one of those guys who only needed four hours and could just do function at a high level. | ||
| If I don't get eight, I'm fucked, man. | ||
| Do you... | ||
| I don't think, but I mean, do you really wish you were that guy, though, that always hit the gas all day long? | ||
| Whoa, whoa. | ||
| No, I'm saying I could get four Monday through Sunday, and then before my son gets up at five, I'm up at three, I get my workouts in, I can do all my research for my shows, and then I'm off and running. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I need eight, man. | ||
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Right. | |
| So if I do a set tomorrow at the Comedy Store, I get home at midnight. | ||
| No matter what, I'm up at 5, 5.30 with my son, and I go to work. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| It's a beast of a day. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| When there's certain guys, they just need four hours. | ||
| Yeah, those people are freaks. | ||
| You're not that guy, right? | ||
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No. | |
| I need five to feel okay. | ||
| Six to feel good. | ||
| Six, I can work out normal. | ||
| I can do anything. | ||
| Seven makes me feel happy. | ||
| Seven is nice. | ||
| I'm seven. | ||
| I'm a seven guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Seven's good. | ||
| Seven's a solid number. | ||
| If you could get that, you'd probably got most of your bases covered. | ||
| But damn, if you'd get eight or nine. | ||
| That's when the real... | ||
| If you could really sleep for eight or nine. | ||
| Like, engineer it. | ||
| So don't... | ||
| My problem is I drink too much water at night. | ||
| I gotta pee. | ||
| Yeah, it's so annoying. | ||
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I know. | |
| It's so stupid. | ||
| And, like, I had a Zevia last night while I was watching Game of Thrones. | ||
| I'm like, I shouldn't have this. | ||
| Of course you did. | ||
| I'm gonna have to pee. | ||
| Dude, I... I have a problem. | ||
| I have a problem. | ||
| I have to. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| I have to have beverages. | ||
| Yes! | ||
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I want to enjoy myself! | |
| When I'm at home, I have beverages. | ||
| I'm at home! | ||
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Living life, bro! | |
| It's my fucking TV! Yeah! | ||
| Yeah, you just want to be able to sit back and slurp that Zevia. | ||
| Nothing better. | ||
| Five o'clock in the morning. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Do you ever sip on whiskey or anything at night with the wifey watching Game of Thrones? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'll drink a little wine with dinner, but I don't drink whiskey at home very often. | ||
| I drink whiskey when I'm looking to get fucked up. | ||
| Or before you do stand-up. | ||
| Yeah, I'll have a shot. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| So if I become an alcoholic in three years, it all stems... | ||
| I'm blaming you. | ||
| Because when we were doing that set, I think at the improv, you're like, you want a shot of whiskey? | ||
| I'm like, I don't drink before it shows, man. | ||
| You're like, I'm telling you, it helps you with your nerves. | ||
| So I was like, all right, this guy's been doing it forever. | ||
| Let me try it. | ||
| Did the shot... | ||
| One of the best sets I've ever had. | ||
| I don't know how long ago that was. | ||
| Two months ago? | ||
| Three months ago? | ||
| Every time I do comedy now, I have a shot of whiskey. | ||
| Well, make sure you don't do that. | ||
| Why not, bro? | ||
| Because you don't want to become an alcoholic. | ||
| But it's one shot? | ||
| Hey, come on. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Who's going to get a whistle wet, bro? | ||
| One shot every day. | ||
| Yeah, you can do it. | ||
| Yeah, I feel good. | ||
| Because I work out the next morning. | ||
| Hydrate. | ||
| One shot is not that bad for your body. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not the best thing in the world, but it's not that bad. | ||
| But it's a good amount to give you like a little, just a little fuck it juice. | ||
| Yeah, a little loosey-goosey. | ||
| That's so uptight. | ||
| It's a fuck it, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Come on, let's have some fun. | ||
| Yeah, that's what whiskey's for, you know? | ||
| That's why it's been around so long. | ||
| You know like that Buffalo Trace shit that we drank when we were doing the podcast? | ||
| I love that shit, man. | ||
| That stuff's from the 1700s. | ||
| Fucking right it is. | ||
| That fucking company was started in the 1700s. | ||
| You know how ridiculous that is? | ||
| I was thinking about orange some for my house because I like that whiskey so much. | ||
| I'm like, I don't need that in my life because I'll just start drinking. | ||
| Become domestic. | ||
| I'm not an alcoholic, man. | ||
| It's good during fight companions. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to save it for that. | ||
| I don't keep whiskey at home. | ||
| I don't find myself interested in drinking it. | ||
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I don't either. | |
| Because if I want to get a little tipsy, I want to be with my boys and fuck around. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I like it at a bar. | ||
| I like it at a comedy club. | ||
| I like it here. | ||
| I love it during Five Companions. | ||
| It's my favorite. | ||
| But if I had a man cave where guys came over and we played poker, we'd drink some whiskey. | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| But again, you're with your boys. | ||
| But I'm just chilling at home by myself. | ||
| I might get drunk and say something inappropriate. | ||
| Get canceled in my own house. | ||
| It's a different kind of drunk, too. | ||
| Like, whiskey drunk is like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Like, you know, you get belligerent. | ||
| I don't need that. | ||
| Too old for that. | ||
| Too old for that. | ||
| You start having fun. | ||
| You start playing Hank Williams Jr.'s songs real loud. | ||
| Outlandish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| There's some fucking, you go into that deep country music. | ||
| What were you just telling me about country music? | ||
| That's some giant country rap. | ||
| Oh, this is hilarious. | ||
| What is the song? | ||
| It's called Old Town Road. | ||
| Old Town Road? | ||
| Yeah, so it's like one of the biggest songs out at the moment. | ||
| It's number one on the regular charts and the country charts, right? | ||
| Who put it together? | ||
| Lil Nas X, is that right? | ||
| Everyone's Lil Nas X. So he was on the country charts. | ||
| They took him off because this isn't country, man. | ||
| But then he linked up with Miley Cyrus' dad. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Billy Ray Cyrus. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Yeah, so I think what also had to do with this is he used, whether he did it or not, I don't know, but he used the video game Red Dead Redemption and some of the cool graphics and then made a rap song, country rap song. | ||
| It's called Country Trap is what they're calling it. | ||
| That's why it's a different thing, but it's catchy and it's based around this kind of stuff. | ||
| It got... | ||
| It got hot. | ||
| It caught the wave. | ||
| The DJs on all the stations were just ripping it off of YouTube and playing it. | ||
| That's why it made it on the Billboard. | ||
| And then Billboard was like, this isn't a country song, take it off. | ||
| Because that almost, it's like Streisand effect, it got bigger. | ||
| So, who took it off? | ||
| Billboard did. | ||
| Why did they take it off? | ||
| Because it doesn't, and their description was that it doesn't meet the qualifications to meet country or whatever. | ||
| Until Billy Ray Cyrus jumped on board. | ||
| And then there's video of him and Billy Ray Cyrus in the studio. | ||
| You know, it's so interesting when you're looking at the footage of it, how cool that fucking game looks. | ||
| It's just a game. | ||
| That's a huge game, right? | ||
| Red Redemption 2. But what a great idea to rap over Red Dead Redemption. | ||
| That's a genius idea. | ||
| That shit is so huge. | ||
| We played it in here. | ||
| Jamie and I were playing it. | ||
| Good game? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You guys beat the shit out of me whatever game we played last time. | ||
| That was quick. | ||
| That was fucked up. | ||
| You don't want to fuck with that game. | ||
| We were just talking about Tom Papa walked in. | ||
| Jeff and I were battling to death. | ||
| Tom Papa don't play. | ||
| No, he was just watching us. | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
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What are you doing? | |
| Tom Pop is so funny, man. | ||
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I love that guy. | |
| He just wants everything to be old school. | ||
| He's so nice. | ||
| He wants to go to the paper vendor and get a newspaper and bake his own bread. | ||
| I dig that. | ||
| What is this, Manson? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| They've made a remix of it now with Billy Ray. | ||
| This is like a real video now. | ||
| Oh, so they made a real video. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| See, I'm not feeling the real video. | ||
| Dude, I like the way his dude dances with a cowboy hat on, though. | ||
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I love it. | |
| But he's become a star because of this. | ||
| It's getting played at all the festivals all the last couple weeks. | ||
| The crowds are loving it. | ||
| Why didn't he open up at Coachella? | ||
| It was already booked. | ||
| This happened so quick. | ||
| You could sneak him in with Billy Ray Cyrus. | ||
| Let Billy Ray get his whistle wet at Coachella. | ||
| He might have played it, I'm sure. | ||
| I saw that little... | ||
| The Yodel Kid was singing this song. | ||
| He's even caught on to this song and all that kind of shit. | ||
| Do you know who Billy Ray Cyrus is? | ||
| Do you know his big hit? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Don't break my heart. | ||
| Isn't it weird? | ||
| His daughter's way bigger. | ||
| He was really huge for a brief moment in time. | ||
| But yeah, he was never like what she is. | ||
| She's a cultural phenomenon. | ||
| She can sing too. | ||
| She can sound as fuck. | ||
| And she was on that crazy Disney hit forever. | ||
| Hannah Montana. | ||
| Hannah Montana. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| Which made no sense. | ||
| I put a wig on. | ||
| Nobody notices me. | ||
| That is strange. | ||
| So ridiculous. | ||
| Almost like Batman. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Glorious locks. | ||
| God, looks like Theo's brother. | ||
| Just a powerful moment. | ||
| Everybody was doing the Achy Breaky Heart back then. | ||
| 53 million. | ||
| I bet that must have fucking freaked him out, man. | ||
| To be as famous he was back then for that brief moment in time. | ||
| Dude, he was so famous. | ||
| Don't you think it's weirder now to be famous? | ||
| Like back then you could get away with things and now it's a nightmare. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Do you remember the Bill Hicks bit? | ||
| Bill Hicks had a joke about Billy Ray Cyrus. | ||
| What'd he say? | ||
| It was terrible. | ||
| He was so mean. | ||
| He was saying that this is my last show. | ||
| I'm not doing stand-up anymore because I got a TV show. | ||
| He goes, thank you, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I mean, I worked hard forever, and now we're going to do a new television show. | ||
| It's called Let's Hunt and Kill Billy Ray Cyrus. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Chase him down. | ||
| I forget what he... | ||
| But he said, like, grab him by his faggy ponytail. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's intense. | ||
| It was ruthless. | ||
| It was ruthless. | ||
| Because Billy Ray only had that one hit, right? | ||
| He didn't have, like, multiple big hits. | ||
| I think that was kind of it. | ||
| Maybe he had, like, one or two other songs that were kind of popular, but that song was giganti. | ||
| It's interesting that his daughter's so big. | ||
| She's so talented, man. | ||
| You ever heard that song, Malibu? | ||
| She's so good, man. | ||
| She's so good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can't tell people you like it, though. | ||
| They get mad at you when you're wearing those shoes. | ||
| And I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Wrecking Ball for Miley Cyrus? | ||
| Acoustic? | ||
| Suck this dick. | ||
| She's a beast. | ||
| I'll listen to that and wear these shoes. | ||
| The best thing she ever did to me, the most impactful, this was the first time I realized she could really sing, was that song Jolene. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| You ever heard her do Jolene? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Jesus Christ. | ||
|
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Monster. | |
| Goddamn. | ||
|
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Do you watch American Idol at all? | |
| What? | ||
| Do I look like a girl? | ||
| You don't watch any American Idol? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about, man? | ||
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I'm a man. | |
| I thought we were broing out over music here. | ||
| I'm not watching American Idol. | ||
| There's only so much time in this life. | ||
| They did it at the Grammys this year, but the American Idol. | ||
| Oh, they sang it together, yeah. | ||
| That kid's awesome. | ||
| Yeah, you watch American Idol? | ||
| You're fucking right, I do. | ||
| Where do you have the time? | ||
| Only Sunday nights? | ||
| How do you have the time for that? | ||
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Sunday nights! | |
| My night off, bro! | ||
| You could be writing jokes. | ||
| Sunday night. | ||
| You could be playing Quake with us in the air. | ||
| Playing Quake, bro. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| Have a little LAN party. | ||
| At least they're real. | ||
| At least they're real people singing. | ||
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What? | |
| You're balls deepening Game of Thrones. | ||
| They're dragons. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| I love it as well. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| But I'm just saying. | ||
| At least American Idol are people pursuing their dreams. | ||
| Oh, you're so sweet. | ||
| And they can sing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A whole new world. | ||
| Yeah, kind of. | ||
| I don't hate on the show. | ||
| I'm happy it exists. | ||
| There's only so many hours in a day, son. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| But at night when you're chilling? | ||
| Not me. | ||
| I like to chill to fiction. | ||
| That's what my favorite shit is. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Give me examples. | ||
| Like Game of Thrones type shit. | ||
| Or like Mrs. Maisel. | ||
| Or any show that I'm... | ||
| Ozark. | ||
| Any Stranger Things. | ||
| Any show that I'm really into. | ||
| That's what I like to chill with. | ||
| I like to follow a storyline for years. | ||
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I like that. | |
| It's weird. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| When I get super... | ||
| I'm super into Game of Thrones. | ||
| I watched all the old seasons leading up to this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's dope, dude. | ||
| That's just, it's just like a fun little escape where you're just locked into that. | ||
| And to me, you know, Paul Mooney said to me once, a long time ago, he goes, if you really want to write, he goes, go get entertained first. | ||
| And I said, like, how? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| He goes, whatever, go see some music. | ||
| He goes, go to the movies. | ||
| He goes, go be entertained. | ||
| You're entertained and then you're going to want to write. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was great advice that I never heard anybody say before, but it made sense. | ||
| It's like, go get entertained, and it'll fire you up, and then just take that fire, and then just start creating. | ||
| It inspires you. | ||
| Yeah, it's a great piece of advice for young people, because I know there's been many times where I've seen someone murder at the store. | ||
| Where I couldn't wait to get home and write. | ||
| I just couldn't wait to. | ||
| I just wanted to run home and bust out that fucking laptop and come on. | ||
| What do we got in here? | ||
| What do we got in that brain? | ||
| Come on, there's something in there. | ||
| Do you listen to music when you drive? | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Depends on if I'm on my way to the gig. | ||
| If I'm on my way to the gig, I almost always try to listen to last night's set or whatever new shit that I'm working on. | ||
| To go over it? | ||
| Not just to go over it, but to examine it. | ||
| See if there's any way that I want to stop and rewind and maybe slow it down or speed it up or do it different. | ||
| If I don't take those extra, like say if I do four sets a week but I listen to three sets a week, that's seven sets instead of four sets. | ||
| And I think that's a difference, like a rep thing. | ||
| But it's uncomfortable. | ||
| You don't want to do it. | ||
| It's annoying. | ||
| But I think it counts almost as much as doing a set. | ||
| It's not as much, because doing a set, what happens is you get that spontaneity, and you get the flow, and you get the instinct, the feeling when it hit the punchline. | ||
| But in the car, it's a mental rep. | ||
| It's a mental rep, but it's also like a third-party examiner. | ||
| It's almost like you could watch it from the outside. | ||
| You could watch it as someone... | ||
| Well, I guess it would be second-party. | ||
| You'd watch it as someone watching you. | ||
| And you'd go, huh, this is clunky. | ||
| Why are you saying this like this? | ||
| If you could just do that and say it like yourself... | ||
| And say it like yourself, but then listen like you would listen to it, too. | ||
| Yeah, as a fan, almost. | ||
| And critique it. | ||
| Yeah, listen as a person who's also, you know, you do it. | ||
| You practice it. | ||
| But sometimes you get caught up in doing something a certain way, and it's hard to break out of the pattern. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like you're comfortable with, like, God, I've got to get into this bit. | ||
| How do I get into it? | ||
| And then you'll stumble into this one way, and then you keep doing it that way. | ||
| When really the right way to do it is to kind of break it down and rebuild it. | ||
| Like, you know where the funny parts are? | ||
| Break it down. | ||
| And I've done that a few times in broken bits where they never worked again. | ||
| Sometimes it just, they don't bounce back, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You freaking, at the Ice House, man. | ||
| You did that because you're getting ready for your 420 show, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that the biggest crowd you've ever done? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Air Canada Center was bigger. | ||
| Air Canada Center? | ||
| That's the Scotiabank Arena. | ||
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Fuck! | |
| In Toronto. | ||
| Air Canada, is that where... | ||
| That's where the UFC is. | ||
| That's right! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the Scotiabank Arena now. | ||
| It used to be the Air Canada Center. | ||
| And how many was that? | ||
| That's like 13,000. | ||
| Were you on a stage, a Kevin Hart stage? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was on like a regular stage. | ||
| Is San Diego Circa? | ||
| Yeah, San Diego Circa. | ||
| God, I find it awkward, man. | ||
| Watching it, I find it awkward. | ||
| It's going to be weird, son. | ||
| I mean, obviously you're going to kill it, but I find it awkward. | ||
| Yeah, I'm excited. | ||
| I think Joey Diaz is doing 420 in Milwaukee. | ||
| Joey Diaz is the best. | ||
| Can't get enough of that dude. | ||
| No, I love Joey. | ||
| So happy he's around. | ||
| He's one of the most important... | ||
| You know what he's doing right now, right? | ||
| I don't think I can say it on air. | ||
| Don't say it then. | ||
| Oh yeah, I do know. | ||
| I don't think he can say it, no. | ||
| I don't think he's announced it. | ||
| It's amazing though. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Can't say that. | ||
| Can't say that. | ||
| But you know, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So cool. | ||
| He's one of the most important figures in the stand-up world today, in my opinion. | ||
| He's one of the most... | ||
| Free guys. | ||
| If you look at... | ||
| If there was a style of... | ||
| Say there's a style of jiu-jitsu, right? | ||
| Where one guy's just always catching triangles on people. | ||
| Super aggressive and always catching triangles. | ||
| Like, how is this guy always catching... | ||
| And it sort of changes your perception of how often someone can catch someone in a triangle. | ||
| Joey is so fucking loose. | ||
| He changes your perception of what's loose. | ||
| Like he moves the needle. | ||
| That's rare! | ||
| I think Bill Burr does that, too. | ||
| He moves the needle, too. | ||
| Like, with Bill, and maybe it's because I'm around Brian, and Brian's always like, you know, you gotta be careful if you say this stuff, especially in the culture side right now, you gotta be careful with this. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, maybe. | ||
| So I've started, like, almost reserved, and then Burr went up at the Laugh Factor, and I was like, oh, shit, you can do that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's on fire right now. | ||
| He just filmed. | ||
| He just filmed some special. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He's kind of come out with a... | ||
| I don't know if I should say anything. | ||
| A while ago, though, right? | ||
| Because the stuff he did now is all new. | ||
| Well, I don't know if I'm supposed to be saying this. | ||
| Did I give something away? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if that's been announced, so I'm going to shut my mouth. | ||
| Either way. | ||
| Murderer. | ||
| Murderer. | ||
| He's one of the best of all time. | ||
| No fucks given at all. | ||
| Yeah, he's... | ||
| He's uniquely free. | ||
| He was making the comics in the back and we were just watching like, what the fuck? | ||
| He makes hilarious points too. | ||
| They're so bold. | ||
| So bold. | ||
| That's how he started. | ||
| He's just sticking with his guns. | ||
| That's what he is. | ||
| That's who he is. | ||
| That's who he is. | ||
| I see a lot of guys navigate away from that because they're afraid of offending people. | ||
| And then Burr gets up and he's like, shut the fuck up. | ||
| Well, people are taking comedy as much more of a statement than if you wrote a movie where some fucked up things happen. | ||
| And that's probably coming too if they let people take comedy. | ||
| They'll probably go after that next. | ||
| It kind of falls in line with what could be next. | ||
| But if you decide that someone's saying something... | ||
| That they actually mean that, and they shouldn't be able to say that, even though it's funny and it made people laugh, and the guy's clearly joking. | ||
| Especially when you try to use it in print. | ||
| It's a slippery slope. | ||
| You're running up a greased hill, because then why is Quentin Tarantino allowed to write a movie where a bunch of people get killed? | ||
| Why is he allowed to write a movie that might incite violence? | ||
| Why is he allowed to write a movie where people use racial slurs and shoot people over nothing? | ||
| Why is he allowed to write that movie? | ||
| Oh, it's all Quentin Tarantino? | ||
| So he's responsible for this whole movie. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| We gotta boycott him. | ||
| And that kind of nonsense is an episode of fucking South Park. | ||
| That's what's going on in this world. | ||
| I think it's swaying back the other way. | ||
| It could sway back the other way, but you gotta realize we could take a little break and then have it come back hard again. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Or the guys like Louis C.K. who's selling out everywhere and doing great comedy. | ||
| He could sell out fucking Staples Center right now multiple times in a row. | ||
| What's crazy is he doesn't want to. | ||
| Doesn't want to. | ||
| He's just doing comedy clubs. | ||
| Just working. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He could easily come back like Tiger Woods. | ||
| Easily. | ||
|
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Easily. | |
| Right now. | ||
| He said something so fucked up, too. | ||
| Because they asked me why I did it. | ||
| He goes, I like to jerk off and I don't want to be alone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like to jerk off and I don't like to be alone. | ||
| He's great, man. | ||
| I mean, he also did some creepy shit. | ||
| He definitely did. | ||
| He did some creepy shit. | ||
| I don't approve of it, but he didn't molest anyone. | ||
| I don't think we know exactly what happened either. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But all I do know is he could sell out Staples Center. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think most guys and fans go, alright, man. | ||
| And he's really good at comedy. | ||
| Yeah, that's the other thing. | ||
| The other thing that we always have to think about whenever we talk about anything is that we're dudes. | ||
| And so whenever you're talking about someone jerking off in front of you, just imagine... | ||
| A woman jerking off in front of us? | ||
| No, you can't because that's not the same. | ||
| The only reason why a girl can jerk off in front of you and it's hilarious is because she can't rape you. | ||
| See, if a guy is jerking off in front of you, most guys are bigger and stronger than most women. | ||
| Obviously, there's some variables there. | ||
| but most guys are bigger and stronger and men make all the rape women aren't out there raping dudes true right it's all men so if a guy has his dick out and he's jerking off scary shit that's why it's scary it's never it's creepy yeah if a girl if you go over a girl's house and for whatever reason she goes i want you to watch this sit down and fucking you fucking fuck she starts fingering herself fucking and you're like whoa yeah but you would laugh you would laugh | ||
| and you would come back to here and we would talk about it because i know i could get out at any time yeah We'd be crying laughing. | ||
| But it wouldn't be like you were in danger. | ||
| But if a guy is with, say if you have a daughter, and your daughter weighs 110 pounds, and she's with a guy, and the guy wants to jerk off in front of her, and he has to do it, and she says yes because she's scared. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Then it's like, what would actually happen? | ||
| And see, he hasn't really said anything other than the stories are true. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| This comes from a guy that sounds like, you know, because you have two daughters. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's... | ||
| So you have to think like that. | ||
| Well, you have to think like that as a human being, right? | ||
| Yeah, but I'm saying to you, it's probably the first thing you think of because you have two daughters. | ||
| Right, but I don't think that's what he did. | ||
| I think from... | ||
| I can't say too much because I don't know, but... | ||
| I think he did some regrettable things. | ||
| And I think he would admit that. | ||
| But I don't think he did what a lot of people are claiming he did in terms of... | ||
| That's what I've heard. | ||
| ...how often he did it or who he did it or what the circumstances were. | ||
| But either way, there's no defending when it was bad. | ||
| No, it's not good. | ||
| I'm sure it scared the girls. | ||
| It's a terrible thing to do. | ||
| But... | ||
| What's the punishment for that? | ||
| Did he not pay for it? | ||
| He lost all his jobs? | ||
| Lost all his TV deals? | ||
| $35 million in a year of work. | ||
| And people still say, no, but he's fine. | ||
| I've heard that argument, that he's fine. | ||
| These are also things that he did more than a decade ago, right? | ||
| When do you offer someone compassion? | ||
| When do you let someone explain themselves? | ||
| When is enough is enough? | ||
| Or should he have to do something? | ||
| What would people like someone to do when they're coming back from something like that? | ||
| Well, I think they're mad because there's only a year, and then he's back and killing it because he's so good at comedy. | ||
| Because with Tiger Woods, right? | ||
| People hated Tiger. | ||
| Well, there was that, but there was also the material that got leaked when he came back. | ||
| So people were upset at the jokes, the Parkland joke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not the best. | ||
| That shit falls in line with how he's always done jokes, though. | ||
| Whether he did this or not. | ||
| He says the fucked up thing to say. | ||
| It's part of what makes him really funny. | ||
| And he does that in real life, too. | ||
| It's a style of comedy, man. | ||
| I mean, it's just like Quentin Tarantino has a style of making movies. | ||
| His style of comedy is to say fucked up things. | ||
| So that compounded the fact that people were upset at him that a year ago he said he was going to take some time off. | ||
| I think it's really important to know that I don't know what happened. | ||
| He knows and they know. | ||
| It's never good when someone's upset that you jerked off in front of them. | ||
| That's not a good time. | ||
| Which is never good for anybody. | ||
| But also, him losing $35 million and being out a year, I think people are upset that it was such a quick turnaround. | ||
| Is that a quick turnaround, man? | ||
| Not as a comic, but to the normal person. | ||
| Like, a year? | ||
| That ain't shit, dude. | ||
| But as a comic, not to be able to do what you love. | ||
| Let's imagine that he's going to live another 50 years. | ||
| Right? | ||
| A year. | ||
| A year out of 50. Yeah. | ||
| It's like 2%, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's a lot. | |
| It's a lot. | ||
| And a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now compare this to TJ Dillashaw. | ||
| Two years. | ||
| He's 31? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 135-er? | ||
| Not a lot of fights left. | ||
| No. | ||
| Two years is almost a death sentence. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| Is that fair? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I mean the real question is, would he have even been able to pursue that weight class? | ||
| What you were saying in terms of having the advantage of the EPO. I wonder if he would have been able to pursue training the same way. | ||
| In hindsight, what a terrible idea. | ||
| I don't know what the thought process was, but it's definitely not good. | ||
| It doesn't take away from how talented and skillful he is as a fighter. | ||
| If that's the only time he did it, it's kind of understandable. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| If that's the only time... | ||
| But I think, honestly, all bullshit aside, I think you are right as far as don't test anybody else. | ||
| Don't go back and test everybody. | ||
| No. | ||
| Unless you want to spend a lot of money. | ||
| One of the things they were saying that to test everyone for EPO would cost an additional $2.5 million a year. | ||
| Something ridiculous like that. | ||
| I might have made those numbers up. | ||
| Listen, stop doing that. | ||
| Divide that money amongst the fighters. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
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Give them the money. | |
| How often do you test? | ||
| Don't care. | ||
| Give the fighters more money. | ||
| What Staubman and Kelvin did, and Max Holloway and Dustin Poirier, they should be set for quite some time. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| If we look over the history, and really our only testing pool would be Conor McGregor, who never has to fight again. | ||
| Nate Diaz, I guess you could throw into that. | ||
| Who they make life-changing money. | ||
| They don't fight a lot, do they? | ||
| No, and here's the question. | ||
| Because if you give... | ||
| I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you. | ||
| But let's say, you know, if you give certain fighters $20 million, they're like, you want me to do what now? | ||
| And they don't fight. | ||
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Right. | |
| So if you're Dana, you're like, listen, look at Connor, look at Nate Diaz. | ||
| When they get this boatload of money, we can't get them to fight. | ||
| They have power. | ||
| The sport's too hard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They won't do it. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I know. | ||
| So to keep them hungry... | ||
| We gotta pay him this. | ||
| It's so fucked up. | ||
| I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. | ||
| But I'm saying, if you're Dana, from his standpoint, you're like, when they get fat and happy, they don't fight. | ||
| that way? | ||
| They really think that way? | ||
| I don't think that's the case. | ||
| You don't? | ||
| I think it's a side effect of making boatloads of money but I think they try to make boatloads of money because it doesn't happen very often. | ||
| It only happens with a Ronda Rousey or a Conor McGregor or some gigantic huge star like a Nate Diaz. | ||
| You have to be a gigantic huge star. | ||
| Yeah, but that's rare. | ||
| There's so few of those guys. | ||
| There's so few of those. | ||
| The idea that you would try to pay people less because you want to keep them hungry because if they become giant superstars and they're not hungry, then they stop fighting. | ||
| Then we're not paying more. | ||
| They have the capabilities. | ||
| So what you're saying is, pretend they're not giant superstars, even when they are. | ||
| No, the giant superstars still get paid, but they also have crazy demands. | ||
| They want to fight who they want to fight. | ||
| They want to do it when they want to do it. | ||
| There's all sorts of jockeying going on back and forth. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what happened with Nate Diaz and Dustin Poirier, but they were supposed to fight, remember? | ||
| They were supposed to fight, and then Dustin got hurt. | ||
| And Dustin got injured. | ||
| So Nate was scheduled for a fight, and he's never pulled out of a fight that he's been scheduled for, as far as I can remember. | ||
| No, he was going to fight that fight, and then when it happened, they made other offers. | ||
| You're just like, oh, I'm good. | ||
| Right, but let's imagine that if Dustin Poirier did not pull out of that fight, what if he did fight Nate Diaz, and what if Nate Diaz beat him? | ||
| Then Nate Diaz could very well have fought Max Holloway. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| On Saturday night, yes. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah, if you paid him enough. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I'm sure he would. | ||
| They might have decided to make that shit happen, you know? | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I bet it would have been... | ||
| That was it. | ||
| That was the face-off. | ||
| I bet that would have been a very entertaining fight, too. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Max and Nate Diaz? | ||
| Both guys have insane cardio. | ||
| Fuck, yes. | ||
| Insane volume striking. | ||
| That would be an incredible fight, man. | ||
| Fuck, that would be a great fight. | ||
| Great fight. | ||
| That would be a great fight. | ||
| Yeah, Max and Nate would have been insane. | ||
| But Max was going to fight Dustin Poirier, and he could be... | ||
| Look, that would be a big fight. | ||
| Dustin Poirier, if he doesn't fight Khabib, if for whatever reason they decide to go with Nate over Khabib... | ||
| They're not. | ||
| They're going to do Khabib next. | ||
| In September. | ||
| Well, maybe Khabib fights the winner, or the winner, rather, fights Nate. | ||
| That could be possible, too, if he really still wants to get back in there. | ||
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Or Tony Ferguson, Nate. | |
| Or Tony Ferguson, Nate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Keiji's still in the mix. | ||
| I mean, Keiji, he's deep in the mix. | ||
| Super deep in the mix. | ||
| That knockout of Barbosa, he's so excited. | ||
| I think he's right at number four now. | ||
| He's right there. | ||
| How can you deny that? | ||
| I mean, what a fucking division, man. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| What a fucking division. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| How about that dude in 1FC that knocked out Alvarez? | ||
| I know. | ||
| Nasty Yukin. | ||
| What a crazy name, too. | ||
| How about Mighty Mouse, though? | ||
| Getting the win. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm still waiting for Sage Northcutt to fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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No shit, right? | |
| He has a tough fight, too. | ||
| He's fighting Cosmo Alexander. | ||
| Yeah, he has a tough fight. | ||
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Dude. | |
| Cosmo's no punk. | ||
| That dude's a nasty Muay Thai fighter. | ||
| That guy beat John Wayne Parr. | ||
| He's really, really good. | ||
| Yeah, he's built like an Adonis, too. | ||
| That's going to be a best bod contest. | ||
| First team, all body. | ||
| Yeah, that's first team. | ||
| First team, both of them. | ||
| Dangerous fight for Sage Northcutt while they're standing. | ||
| If he can't take it to the ground. | ||
| I mean, Sage is a very good striker and he's very fast. | ||
| Cosmo, world class. | ||
| He's something special. | ||
| He's something special. | ||
| Nasty, nasty Muay Thai, man. | ||
| Monster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Big guy, too. | ||
| He's jacked. | ||
| He's thick. | ||
| Sage is such a nice kid. | ||
| Could be nicer. | ||
| Couldn't be nicer. | ||
| It's almost fake. | ||
| Were you surprised that the UFC let him go? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm not surprised by anything the UFC does. | ||
| Not surprised. | ||
| They don't need anyone. | ||
| I thought they were grooming him. | ||
| Me too, and put a lot of marking behind him. | ||
| They're like, fuck it, we're good. | ||
| We're going ESPN, we're good. | ||
| So... | ||
| What do you think the future is going to be like? | ||
| Do you think there's going to be that this is going to be how it is for most sports? | ||
| That they're going to be watching on apps? | ||
| Do you think they'll ever have that for the NFL? Oh, 100%. | ||
| It's the future. | ||
| The UFC is just, yeah. | ||
| The last two years, Thursday night games have been on, or at least last year was on Amazon Prime. | ||
| They were on Twitter too. | ||
| They were on Twitch for a little while. | ||
| They were on Twitter last year. | ||
| So they're doing all sorts of stuff. | ||
| The NBA has talked about moving towards being maybe on Twitch. | ||
| They've even talked about short interseason. | ||
| They're doing different stuff. | ||
| They just had a big conference about that. | ||
| The UFC made the smart move. | ||
| It's a smart move. | ||
| They're smart because they're getting out way ahead. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| I feel like once everyone's TV is hooked up to the internet, because right now it's not everyone. | ||
| It's a lot of people, but it's not everybody. | ||
| It's going to be everybody. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Dude, I gotta roll. | ||
| I gotta get to my kiddo. | ||
| It's 6pm. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| Brandon motherfucking shop. | ||
| I love you, man. | ||
| Thank you for coming. | ||
| I love you too, brother. | ||
| You're the best, dude. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| Hey, we're doing a show together. | ||
| We are, man. | ||
| When are we doing that show? | ||
| That shit sold out, though, right? | ||
| Sold out. | ||
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Both of them sold out. | |
| Ha-ha! | ||
| I'm in Arizona, though, next week. | ||
| Friday, Saturday. | ||
| Where you at, son? | ||
| Stand up live, dog. | ||
| Phoenix, Arizona. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Phoenix, Arizona. | ||
| Stand up live. | ||
| Then after that, Tampa. | ||
| tfatk.com. | ||
| All right, brother. | ||
| Good night. | ||
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See you soon. | |
| Bye, everybody. |
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