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Sept. 28, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #44 - Todd McCormick (Part 2)
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joe rogan
And they move shit around and put things in weird places.
And when you read the translation, you're like, what the fuck does this mean?
Well, they're figuring out how to translate it, not just both word for word, but figuring out how you would say that same sentence in English.
todd mccormick
So it's structure as well.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So it's clear what you're translating.
It's fucking fascinating shit, man.
It's fascinating.
todd mccormick
And I also wonder, after 50 or so years of everybody using English on the internet, how many kids are going to grow up just as English as their new language and their original languages, like the old-fashioned thing their parents did.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if there was only one language?
Could you imagine how much shit would get done?
todd mccormick
You know what's interesting, though, when you say that?
brian redban
Languages are going to go away by technology very, very, very fast.
joe rogan
No languages?
So what's going to happen?
todd mccormick
It'll mud out.
brian redban
You'll just sit there and have something translate it to you in real time.
It's going to be voice detection and everything like that.
joe rogan
But there'll still be languages, though.
People are still going to want to talk to each other.
todd mccormick
Traditionalists will still be there playing with their whole thing.
But what if a few generations go by?
I think things are going to change profoundly.
joe rogan
Well, you're a proponent of the isolation tank.
You actually have John Lilly's tank, don't you?
todd mccormick
I do.
After I met John, he gave me his tank.
joe rogan
We got John Lilly's isolation tank.
todd mccormick
You're my only other friend that ever had one, actually.
joe rogan
That's like having Willie Mays' fucking baseball bat.
todd mccormick
You know what's cool?
I got his shower shoes to go with it.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
todd mccormick
So I actually get out and walk in his shoes every time I go from my tank to the shower.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
brian redban
They're not high heels, are they?
todd mccormick
That's the best part.
joe rogan
Now, imagine...
todd mccormick
Pretty boring brown shower shoes, but...
joe rogan
Imagine when they figure out how to stimulate the mind to create certain states and...
And they do it in conjunction with the tank, which is really the way to do it, because it eliminates all the sensory input from this world.
If they could figure out how to do that, put some electrodes on your head, and set you in that fucking tank, and light you up like a Christmas tree, and you just go into some other world, then maybe people will stop talking.
todd mccormick
I think Dr. Lilly did that to me with 1cc ketamine injected, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, you told me about that.
todd mccormick
What a rush, yeah.
joe rogan
What did he do?
What did he do exactly?
todd mccormick
Well, when I got there, actually, I was going to go into the tank just, you know, straight.
And you get a rinse off and everything before you go in the tank.
And the guy was prepping me and he says, you know, usually when we do it, we go in with one cc injected intermuscularly, you know, ketamine, you know, would you like some?
And I hear part of my brain go, no, no drugs, thanks.
And then I hear my mouth go, oh, absolutely, I'd love some.
And then I felt like a complete third person in my own reality because he said, no problem, you know, it's injected into muscularly, is that a problem?
And my side of my brain went, needles, no!
My mouth, however, went, no problem, that'd be great.
joe rogan
I didn't want to offend him.
todd mccormick
Yeah, and you know what, and he walked away to go get me the stuff, and I stood there for a minute, and my brain was saying, no way!
And my other side of my brain went, look, you're a doctor.
Dr. Lily's house, man.
You've come all this way.
There's no way you're saying no.
And he walked back in, and I felt a little alcohol swab on my muscle.
And I heard my brain go, no!
And then I heard my mouth go, thank you very much.
And then I made the most naive.
How long does it take to kick in?
And I will never forget his face when he went, oh, you haven't done it before?
Oh, you should lay down.
About 45 seconds, and he put me in the tank.
joe rogan
What if you do something like that and you have sleep apnea?
Do you run the risk of choking and not breathing?
todd mccormick
I don't know.
I didn't have sleep apnea, but the last thing I was thinking about was sleeping when he slipped me into that tank.
I thought I was there to watch the entire world come to an end, and I had a ringside seat.
It was pretty interesting.
joe rogan
So they shot you up with this ketamine.
You lie down in the tank.
todd mccormick
Yeah, you get into the tank and you float.
And for me, it was the first experience ever floating.
joe rogan
So your first experience floating was with ketamine?
unidentified
Yeah.
todd mccormick
Hey, it happens.
How do you say no to Dr. Lilly?
I'd watched the movie Altered States dozens of times.
I'd owned the Laserdisc.
That's how long I had it.
joe rogan
So what happened after it kicked in?
45 seconds in.
todd mccormick
I thought I was freaking out.
And the funnier side of this was my good friend was in the other room, and I was back around panic noise while all this was going on, and he didn't know about the ketamine entering into the equation.
And he was sitting there with Dr. Lilly and his assistant at the time, Craig, and they had no concern of me sounding like I'm drowning.
And finally he asked, you know, is he on ketamine?
And Craig said yes, and he said, would you go get me some?
And my friend was totally blown away.
Didn't think that was going to be the answer to the problem.
And John put some ketamine into his leg and told my friend to have a nice night.
And he went into his bedroom.
And my friend could see into the bedroom where the tank was next to a bed.
And he didn't touch the tank.
He just went in and laid down next to the bed.
And I actually stopped screaming at that point.
And my friend was looking in the bedroom.
joe rogan
You were screaming?
todd mccormick
I was freaking out, man.
I was fucking losing my mind.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
So you're in the tank.
They shoot you up with ketamine.
You panic.
You start screaming.
John Lilly says, give me some of what he's having.
todd mccormick
Yeah, and honestly, for me, I felt like...
Well, when I stopped screaming, I remembered it was conscious.
It felt like somebody came into my trip and just said, yo, take a deep breath, calm down.
And I was like...
Okay.
And you know what?
I just channeled the energy and it actually was a really positive experience.
joe rogan
So you think that John Lilly joined you in your trip?
brian redban
What if he joined you in the actual isolation?
todd mccormick
No, he didn't.
Me and my girlfriend later on tried to get in.
brian redban
It's like that dentist.
todd mccormick
It's not a cool place to have a friend actually.
joe rogan
Massage your tits.
todd mccormick
Yeah, come here.
Let's cuddle.
It didn't work.
But you know what?
In a sense, yes, I feel like he did.
I felt like there was a telepathic communication as much as this is going to blow all of the credibility I just had about talking about pot.
Yeah, I actually felt like Dr. Lilly and I communicated on a level that was more telepathic during the time I was under the drug.
brian redban
It's a true story.
todd mccormick
Don't want to believe it.
brian redban
I don't care.
Do you think the tank would even work, though, if he took the same amount of pills and just laid on something comfortable or something?
todd mccormick
Can I tell you something, though?
No.
brian redban
I wouldn't think that your environment would have that big of a deal.
joe rogan
The tank's huge.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
No, it's huge.
Here's how McKenna described ketamine.
He said that it was like you, he believed that when you did psychedelics, you somehow or another connected to the experience that everybody had doing those psychedelics before you.
That's one of the reasons why the mushroom experience is so rich and diverse.
It says thousands and thousands and millions of people over the years have done mushrooms and you're connected to this one big gigantic growing experience.
He said doing ketamine, he said ketamine is so much more rare that really it gave him the feeling like he was in an abandoned warehouse or an office building with no furniture in it.
todd mccormick
That's interesting.
I felt very alone in my trip initially, and then when I felt like there was another energy around me, it did feel different, and it was weird.
I had a long conversation with John after, and I really liked the old guy.
He was really a nice guy.
And then afterwards, when I left, whatever, the next day, his assistant showed up and said, you made a real impression on John.
He'd like you to have his tank.
joe rogan
He just gave it to you?
todd mccormick
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, that's crazy.
He probably felt bad.
He probably didn't want you to sue him for fucking whacking him with ketamine and throwing him into a fucking bathtub.
He's like, this dude might sue me, man.
You know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to work this.
I'm going to work this.
I'm going to stroke it.
I'm going to call him up.
I'm going to say, yo, man, you are the shit, and I'm going to give you my tank.
todd mccormick
You know, Oliver Stone went the night before me in his tank.
unidentified
I wonder if he peed and jerked off or anything.
brian redban
Oliver Stone's a big pooper when he sleeps.
todd mccormick
I had never really thought about that until just this minute.
unidentified
I would have definitely thought about that.
todd mccormick
He did K though and did it.
Yeah, we both did it.
Yeah, we got to talk about it years later, him and I, sit down and chat about our weekend at John's.
joe rogan
Wow.
What a fucking freaky dude.
Whack people out with Special K and throw them into a fucking tank of water.
todd mccormick
You do know this is the guy that the Day of the Dolphin was made about.
He's the guy that did all of the research on dolphins.
joe rogan
Dude, I got all his books.
todd mccormick
All of them, huh?
You have all of them, huh?
joe rogan
Oh, he's a bad motherfucker.
todd mccormick
He was awesome.
joe rogan
He's got a great book where he actually shows...
The Deep Self has directions on how to make a tank.
Shows you how to make it.
todd mccormick
Well, that precursor to the Sadamari tank I got, isn't it?
Sadamari is...
joe rogan
Samadhi.
Yeah, that's what I had, too.
I had one of those, as well.
Now I got a Float Lab one, the new crazy version.
Have I showed you that?
todd mccormick
Not yet.
I can't wait to see it.
joe rogan
It's in the basement.
You're going to trip.
It's the craziest thing of all time.
todd mccormick
I think they're awesome.
And I think a lot of people have never really been able to meditate within themselves.
And when you get in this tank and there's no resistance on your body and you can actually really hear and you don't really see and you feel the same temperature as the surroundings around you, you really feel so boundless.
joe rogan
You're flying through space, man.
todd mccormick
You're flying through space.
joe rogan
It's a spaceship, man.
That downstairs is a fucking portal to another world.
It really is.
todd mccormick
It really is.
unidentified
That's a great way to put it.
joe rogan
When you learn how to relax, once you learn how to relax, and it takes a few times, you have to do it a bunch of times, and depending on your personality, how good you are at truly letting go, but if you really learn how to let go, man, you go on trips and that thing.
todd mccormick
Dude, I used to, I used to, I'd set an alarm at like 4 a.m.
if I went to sleep before midnight, and I'd just like walk, because I had mine in my bedroom, I'd walk right to my tank, get back in it, and like go back to sleep, and like 4, 5, 6 o'clock, I would always wake up before 7, Feeling like, man, I just slept for so long, and I felt great, and my dreams would be so lucid, so incredibly real and tangible, and holy shit, I want to go write them down lucid.
joe rogan
That's intense.
So you only had to walk a couple steps, so you barely woke up.
todd mccormick
Oh, I barely woke up, that's right.
joe rogan
And you went right back out.
todd mccormick
Right back out.
unidentified
Bam.
joe rogan
Oh, that's amazing.
todd mccormick
You got it.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
Mine's too far from my fucking bed.
In the walking, I'd wake up going, what the fuck are you doing with your life, Rogan?
Getting up at four o'clock in the morning, you fucking weirdo.
todd mccormick
To go meditate.
joe rogan
And then I would go on the internet and check my Twitter.
todd mccormick
On the way down.
joe rogan
Ooh, UFOs.
Congress?
What's going on here?
Next thing you know, it'll be an hour later.
I'll be like, I'm gonna get some breakfast, man.
I'm fucking hungry.
todd mccormick
Totally awake, sipping coffee.
joe rogan
Did you see that shit that was on CNN? All these former US Air Force employees are coming out about UFOs?
todd mccormick
Around nuclear arms.
joe rogan
Around nuclear facilities.
That's fucking trippy shit, man.
I wonder if these guys are all just nuts.
I wonder if these guys are all kooks or if they're like...
Disinformation guys that work for the government.
The government wants us to think there's fucking real UFOs so they can just distract the shit out of people.
todd mccormick
And not a control mechanism.
joe rogan
Yeah, and meanwhile Obama's passing on his legislation making it easier for people to wiretap your emails and get into your fucking Twitter account and your Facebook pages.
They're passing all this legislation right under everybody's noses.
I wonder if that's what it is.
I wonder if it's just a distraction tactic.
unidentified
Distraction.
todd mccormick
I truly believe it is.
joe rogan
I mean, the UN appointed some chick to be the ambassador when the aliens come.
Listen, bitch, you don't speak for me.
todd mccormick
Is that real?
joe rogan
Yes!
The UN just appointed an ambassador.
todd mccormick
And what the fuck's her job?
Just sit around and wait?
joe rogan
I believe she's an astrophysicist, and her job is to communicate with the aliens.
You don't talk for me, Hooker.
todd mccormick
Can I just say something?
I got a dog.
We have been on this planet evolving with dogs for thousands of years.
And we don't speak Doberman.
We don't speak German Shepherd.
And how do we think that they're going to show up and suddenly we're going to be like, sit.
Good alien.
joe rogan
It's fucking hilarious.
todd mccormick
Alien want a snack?
joe rogan
The idea is that they're going to be so much more intelligent than us.
They're going to be able to understand what our language is.
They'll be able to decipher our language.
That's the hope and the dream.
todd mccormick
I think they're going to show up and think, food, man, you look soft and juicy.
That's what we do.
joe rogan
I'm going to fuck these people.
If you look at what every single intelligent life form on this planet does, they're going to make sure that they exploit everything weaker than them.
That's the ethic of space, it seems like.
It's the ethic of life on this planet.
That's survival of the fittest.
And when you're the fittest, you get to fuck the ones who are not as fit.
That's just the way it is.
What human beings do to dolphins and SeaWorld and what we do to killer whales, we know that killer whales rescue human beings that fall off boats.
We know that there's never been a case in the wild of a killer whale, a documented case, killing a human.
The only times they've ever done it is in captivity.
todd mccormick
Other than SeaWorld?
joe rogan
That's the only times they've ever done it, is in captivity.
unidentified
Can't blame them.
joe rogan
And we know what dolphins do.
Dolphins kill baby dolphins so they can force the female dolphin to fuck.
Dolphins are ruthless, man.
todd mccormick
Is that true?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's true.
todd mccormick
They kill the baby dolphins.
joe rogan
They kill the babies.
todd mccormick
How do they kill them?
joe rogan
They kill them with their face.
They kill them, yeah.
And that's one of the reasons, yeah, the dolphins rape the fuck out of each other too.
And one of the reasons why female dolphins are whores is female dolphins are super slutty.
And the reason being is because they have to fuck as many male dolphins as possible so that when they have babies, those male dolphins won't kill the babies.
So the male dolphin will go, I fucked that bitch, that might be mine.
Damn.
They like her because they get to fuck her.
todd mccormick
Where'd you get this breakdown?
joe rogan
It's all from documentaries.
And so the idea being that the mother does not breed while she's with the babies.
So it takes like six years or something like that before she's willing to breed again.
todd mccormick
Oh, before she breeds again?
joe rogan
Before she breeds again because she has to take care of the babies.
todd mccormick
How long does a dolphin live?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't know.
I don't know, but...
todd mccormick
You seem to know a lot about their sex life.
joe rogan
Dolphins are...
I'm a freak.
unidentified
I'm a freak, son.
todd mccormick
I was thinking about fucking one of those dolphins.
joe rogan
I was thinking about fucking one for a while.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
They're so pretty.
brian redban
If it only had a sheep's pussy, but it was a dolphin.
joe rogan
Right.
I'd be in there, son.
brian redban
Put those two together.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you could fuck it and it could drag you through the water at the same time.
Yeah.
brian redban
Take you on trips and fuck it.
joe rogan
You're going 30 miles an hour.
todd mccormick
You better be able to hold your breath.
brian redban
God damn, that'd be good.
joe rogan
You're going to need to design some new dolphin that you can fuck.
brian redban
That's right.
unidentified
Pfft.
joe rogan
Or maybe you could just climb on the back of a dolphin and just get a flashlight attached to the dolphin.
brian redban
You could probably do that.
I heard it already feels good.
There's videos on the internet of people fucking dolphins.
Have you seen those?
todd mccormick
No.
joe rogan
No.
todd mccormick
That can't be real.
brian redban
That's totally real.
joe rogan
No one's fucking dolphins, dude.
todd mccormick
I'll show it to you later.
joe rogan
How's that possible?
todd mccormick
Huh?
joe rogan
Their penis comes out and the woman gets underneath it?
brian redban
I don't remember.
joe rogan
He's making this show.
brian redban
No, I'm not.
There's tons of videos of people fucking dolphins.
todd mccormick
Can't be tons.
joe rogan
Actual sex, Brian?
brian redban
Yes.
joe rogan
I need some clarification.
todd mccormick
I'll show you one.
joe rogan
Okay, we need to go deep on this one.
todd mccormick
Sorry?
joe rogan
We can't just leave people out there thinking that there's human beings.
todd mccormick
I wonder how many people are right now going, this is bullshit.
I will look myself.
joe rogan
Oh, a lot of people.
That's the beautiful thing about the internet now.
Instantly, you can find out.
You can Google and at least get the general consensus.
I mean, you can't find out who killed Kennedy.
There's some shit you can't find out.
todd mccormick
But you can Google YesOn19 and help us win in California.
Proposition 19. Yeah, it's YesOn19.com.
joe rogan
34 days away, and what are the most recent polls?
todd mccormick
Recent polls show us winning.
It depends on whose poll you look at, Fox or what have you.
Wow, they make very human sounds.
What are you doing, Brian?
He's looking up.
You said it wasn't true.
unidentified
Is she doing it?
joe rogan
Is it real?
todd mccormick
Don't tell him it's not true.
joe rogan
It's not real?
todd mccormick
He's on an iPhone.
Everything's censored by Apple.
joe rogan
That one's a guy with a fucking dolphin uniform.
todd mccormick
Apple isn't going to let you look at porn.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
How do you think you're going to look at that on that?
todd mccormick
They're going to say, no dolphin porn, no good.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they can't stop you from going to all those websites now.
They go to HTML5 because of the iPad.
All the porn websites, none of them are Flash-based anymore.
They're like, oh really?
You can't get on the iPad?
Oh, let's just change this shit up, son.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
They change everything to HTML5, and then that works on your iPad, and then you can watch porn on your iPad.
todd mccormick
Who would have known innovation leading the way again.
joe rogan
It's porn leading the way.
todd mccormick
Hey, there are a lot of Christians who need their porn.
joe rogan
They do.
How about that new dude that got busted?
What's his name?
Eddie Long, is that his name?
The new big black preacher got busted.
unidentified
Yeah, how's that?
joe rogan
Banging some boys.
todd mccormick
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
What is his name?
todd mccormick
Dude, that's double bad because, you know, brothers ain't supposed to be even thinking like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, brothers do not get down with the gay.
todd mccormick
No homo, man.
joe rogan
That's why the Proposition 8 passed in California.
A lot of gay people were really pissed off at black folks because black folks voted some ridiculous number.
todd mccormick
Hey, those white folks should be mad at their Christian siblings who brought Christianity to all these poor people, you know, because that's really the problem.
joe rogan
Okay, well, you're going back a little bit far with your blame there, fella.
brian redban
Whoa.
joe rogan
What is this guy's name?
Ed Long?
What was the guy's name?
I think I busted.
I want to read this online.
todd mccormick
It could be Ed Long.
That's like his poor name.
joe rogan
No, you're right.
brian redban
Due to the size of the dolphin's dick, the best way you can have sex with a male dolphin is to masturbate him.
todd mccormick
Brian, Brian, Brian.
Yeah, his name is...
What about a female dolphin?
joe rogan
His name is Ed Long.
His name is.
todd mccormick
It's Eddie Long.
joe rogan
Yes.
todd mccormick
Eddie Long?
joe rogan
It's true.
Eddie Long.
unidentified
That's his name.
todd mccormick
You couldn't write this fiction.
You really couldn't, man.
joe rogan
It's like, you remember when there was a...
todd mccormick
Eddie Long.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's his name, man.
todd mccormick
It's all in the name.
You know it right from the top.
joe rogan
Here's the best part.
Homie's got a pink tie.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
How about that?
todd mccormick
So he's the one taking it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're watching it.
Not necessarily.
todd mccormick
With the pink tie?
Kind of soft.
joe rogan
Yeah, everything else is black.
todd mccormick
Whoa.
joe rogan
When his outfit's dark and strong, powerful, he's just like, you know, I'm into that boy pussy.
todd mccormick
Whoa.
Bring him the flashlight.
joe rogan
This is a big ad.
They make you watch ads now.
todd mccormick
Yeah, they're good at it.
Captive ads.
They're saying, fuck your TiVo.
joe rogan
I know.
It's like the only time I ever watch ads now are when I'm trying to watch a YouTube clip.
It's evil.
This is CNN.com.
A&E. Hey, you know what, man?
It's only 30 seconds.
Whatever.
todd mccormick
Whoa, of my life added up.
joe rogan
So this guy, this Eddie Long, another Christian man in a position of power...
That it turns out was actually banging boys.
Shocking!
todd mccormick
What if the Catholic Church has been run by gays who are angry at the straight people this whole time?
Right?
And they get to wear their dresses and have their fabulous cars and drink out of their gold chalices and be covered in all these colors and live in total secrecy and then pick out the little gay kids right out of the straight audience.
brian redban
The only flaw is that they think hate Madonna.
todd mccormick
Whoa, what do you mean Madonna?
brian redban
The churches hate Madonna.
joe rogan
Gay people love Madonna.
See, therefore, your analysis does not hold water.
todd mccormick
Whoa, I think it's true.
joe rogan
That's what you think it is?
Is it an ancient gay cult?
todd mccormick
Yeah.
The Pope wearing a dress?
joe rogan
Yeah, of course.
The whole deal.
What's up with that crazy fish head?
todd mccormick
All of them at the Vatican.
Let me think.
I don't want to fuck women.
I want to go live with men for the rest of my life.
Pretty much a gay.
joe rogan
And you're not even allowed to masturbate?
Why not just...
todd mccormick
Oh, nocturnal emissions.
Whoa, you can't even dream about getting off.
joe rogan
Well, how about Salt Peter?
That shit they give them to keep them from getting horny?
todd mccormick
That's not true.
joe rogan
It's not real?
todd mccormick
It's an urban myth, pretty much.
joe rogan
It's an urban myth?
But they still actually give it to them.
todd mccormick
Saltpeter's real shit, dude.
Some sodium stuff, I think.
No, I don't think it is.
joe rogan
It might not work.
todd mccormick
They say it in jail all the time.
They say, oh, there's Saltpeter in food.
joe rogan
Really?
todd mccormick
I don't know.
Whatever.
I can't say.
I still dream of my girlfriends and wake up feeling fairly aroused.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think there really is Saltpeter in jail.
That's one of those urban legend type things.
todd mccormick
It's a total urban legend.
joe rogan
The whole idea is ridiculous.
The whole idea that anybody would ask you to not have sex.
Like, why would God give me a dick if I didn't want to use it?
todd mccormick
God, don't procreate.
Go, yeah.
joe rogan
God does not only not want you to procreate, doesn't want you to feel affection, doesn't want you to love someone.
todd mccormick
I love how people talk about, you know, there's no evolution, there's just creationism.
They don't want to talk about incestual relations between Adam and Eve and all their kids.
joe rogan
Yeah, what's up with that?
todd mccormick
Where the fuck did that come from?
God showed up again with a new boat?
Hey, I got new fresh meat.
joe rogan
Yeah, there'd be a bunch of brothers and sisters fucking like crazy.
todd mccormick
That would be what it had to be, wouldn't it?
If you go with the Christians, and then they did all this in 6,000 years.
So what's up?
You're my brother.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's okay.
todd mccormick
My Christian brother.
joe rogan
Don't eat that apple.
That shit's bad.
todd mccormick
No, and you know, I love that in the Union.
That was the first prohibition.
The prohibition of thou shalt not eat from the tree of knowledge.
And who was the big cop?
Right?
God.
And how many people?
Two.
Two people he had to police.
And God, according to Christian mythology, couldn't handle prohibition.
joe rogan
Yeah, how hilarious is it that God would make some shit that he didn't want you to eat?
He'll tell you, don't eat it.
I'm telling you, I will fuck your world up.
Oh, oh, oh, you ate that apple that I told you not to eat?
Well, guess what?
You don't ever get a second chance.
You're fucked forever.
Your whole species is fucked.
brian redban
Joe, do you ever wonder if that snake, that one snake, the original snake, ever made it, if he made it on Noah's Ark?
Do you ever think about that?
joe rogan
No, because that snake was the devil.
todd mccormick
It wasn't really a snake.
brian redban
Actually, that's how much I know.
I was hoping that snake made it.
joe rogan
Maybe that snake is all around us all the time.
brian redban
Yeah.
todd mccormick
Pretty much.
joe rogan
The whole idea that they'll make fun of fucking Muslims or they'll make fun of Scientologists, they'll make fun of, you know, like, oh, they've got the wrong thing.
You better come to Jesus.
todd mccormick
But see, I argue that everybody's an atheist because a Jew doesn't believe in a Christian God and a Christian God doesn't believe in Buddha.
And a Buddha doesn't believe in a Jewish God and none of them believe in Muhammad.
So it's really they're all atheists because they don't believe in anything but their little fantasy.
Truthfully.
joe rogan
So they're all atheists to somebody else's shit.
todd mccormick
To somebody else's shit.
They don't believe in their other gods.
So bam, suddenly we're in alignment.
I just don't also believe with any of their gods.
joe rogan
It's amazing that there are so many different religions.
Hundreds, literally.
todd mccormick
We were lost.
We needed direction.
We needed someone to walk up and go, I know where the food is.
I know where you'll be warm.
I know how to heal you sick when you die and come with me.
joe rogan
Right.
It's amazing that there's so many different religions, but even though we know that they all say different shit, everyone is willing to die believing that the one they believe is right.
Even though there's so many examples of contradicting ideas.
For whatever fucking reason, we compartmentalize that when we go down the road of being a Mormon or go down the road of being a Catholic or a Baptist.
We just...
Don't look at it.
unidentified
Just don't look at it.
todd mccormick
We just say, this is my team and screw your team.
And it's a very NFL mentality.
You know, rah-rah my team, boo your team.
joe rogan
It's all the same shit.
todd mccormick
It is all the same shit.
joe rogan
When I was in Indiana, I was in Indiana for a UFC. Anybody who fought somebody from Indiana, even if they were American, they would boo them.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Because you're not from Indiana.
unidentified
Boo!
todd mccormick
It's our local boy.
brian redban
It's Hoosiers.
joe rogan
But think about it.
Indiana's great, don't get me wrong, but the mentality is so fucked up that you're booing against other Americans because they're not from a similar place.
They're not within a certain distance of where you sleep, so you don't even like them right now.
Boo, he's going up against our guy.
We don't just have Americans versus the rest of the world.
We'll go down to neighborhoods.
We'll break it down to neighborhoods.
We'll break it down to the Hatfields and the McCoys.
brian redban
The problem with Indiana is there's nothing else to fucking do there, and they're not known for much in Indiana.
And so that movie Hoosiers came out.
Everyone was like, sports is now our big thing.
What?
Seriously?
joe rogan
The movie came out because sports is a big thing?
brian redban
Right, right, right.
But they're so proud of that movie because that's all they have living in Indiana.
todd mccormick
They used to have this thing called the Indianapolis 500. That was kind of big to Rednecks, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have a lot of shit, dude.
todd mccormick
Yeah, so it's very sportsy.
We've got to bring farming back to the Midwest is what we've got to do.
joe rogan
Weed farming.
You bring it back to weed, right?
todd mccormick
Not weed, man, but hemp.
We need hemp, man.
Look, Farm Aid right now is in its 25th year, and the problem with it is 25 years, and they've gotten where?
Because all these people they're trying to convince, they've built their farms on corn and cotton, are completely wrong.
And they're not going to have any economic independence back until they get their hemp back.
joe rogan
In Indiana, John Cougar Mellencamp came onto the screen, and they booed him.
brian redban
Really?
unidentified
Boo!
todd mccormick
In Indiana?
unidentified
Yep.
I thought he was from Indiana.
He is!
todd mccormick
They didn't get the cue card?
joe rogan
He's a liberal.
todd mccormick
Oh, he's liberal!
unidentified
Whoa.
todd mccormick
That's incredible.
joe rogan
It was crazy.
They showed him.
I expected everybody to go apeshit.
unidentified
Boo.
brian redban
Wow.
unidentified
Boo.
brian redban
You know, in Ohio, the farms are getting so bad that they're closing farms left and right that a lot of the farms are turning into shopping centers.
Where my mom lived, just in five years, used to be farms everywhere.
And now it's like commercial buildings and they're losing all these farms because there's no money in it or something's not going on right in the farming industry in Ohio.
joe rogan
Well, it's very difficult to run a farm and make a profit.
It's incredibly difficult.
It's so fucking hard.
todd mccormick
Especially when you're up against unfair trade practices and fucking fuels that come from 9,000 miles away.
joe rogan
Well, how about seeds?
You don't even own your seeds when you're a farmer.
When you get seeds from Monsanto...
todd mccormick
GMO is a big deal.
And hemp is the one thing that we need to really push that we don't have GMO control of.
We have to stand up and ask for our civil rights back.
We have to demand them back, in fact.
joe rogan
Well, let's explain the seeds thing, though.
What I was saying is, when you buy seeds, if you're a farmer, you buy these seeds that have been made by this company.
unidentified
Monsanto.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't own those seeds.
You got those seeds, and when you plant your new plants, and you grow, like, say, if you grow peppers.
You can't take the seeds out of those peppers and grow more peppers.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Because you don't own that.
todd mccormick
That's right.
joe rogan
You don't own that.
todd mccormick
That's right.
joe rogan
They will sue you.
brian redban
It's like copywritten.
todd mccormick
They will sue you.
It is.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's incredible.
todd mccormick
Monsanto has actually people that go around and test crops of people that they suspect are using a generation away from their last seed.
And it's really scary.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
brian redban
Can you take those seeds and make new versions of that seed?
Or can you have any trace of it at all?
Is it even traceable?
joe rogan
It's genetically modified so they know what the genome of this particular plant that they've created is.
So if you have that shit in your field, you have to pay them every year.
Every year you have to pay for new seeds.
The way people always did it is you grew tomatoes, you took the seeds from the tomatoes, you grew more tomatoes.
You can't do that now.
It's illegal.
That is the nuttiest shit ever.
And that's the number one reason for genetically modifying food is to control the market.
And that's the number one reason also why marijuana will always remain illegal.
To a lot of people, or they'll want to keep it illegal, rather, is because they can't control it.
unidentified
No.
todd mccormick
You know hemp is grown in every industrialized country other than America.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
How crazy is that?
Canada, right up north, right above us.
todd mccormick
Right.
joe rogan
They're growing it.
todd mccormick
They grow all of the seed products that are in Whole Foods and all that nutrition stuff.
joe rogan
So all this is money that farmers could be making.
unidentified
Here.
joe rogan
All this shit.
All this shit.
todd mccormick
That's absolutely right.
joe rogan
They're stealing from them.
These cunts.
todd mccormick
Yep, the government is stealing from them.
Stealing?
I love this country, guys.
And it's stealing it by denying them their own history.
joe rogan
It's the best country everywhere.
brian redban
It's the fucking best country.
It's going to Indiana.
unidentified
Look at that NASCAR. NASCAR. They're going to bomb California is what they're going to do.
joe rogan
What are they going to do, man?
Proposition 9 takes over.
19. 19. Proposition 19. I was thinking gay.
It's one of our eights.
When that shit goes into effect, if and when, it's going to change the culture.
That's the big change.
It's going to be in people's behavior.
Because you can talk all the paper you want, but the most fascinating thing to me is what it does to people socially.
It changes the fuck out of human beings.
todd mccormick
Right.
Well, you know, some of the things that people are coming out against, Prop 19 is saying, is that it's going to lend itself to corporations.
And it's not true.
Corporations are not going to...
joe rogan
Who's saying that?
Who's saying that?
todd mccormick
Well, believe it or not, we have a lot of people that are in the medical marijuana industry that don't want to see Prop 19 pass because they're comfortable right now and they're profiteering, and they don't want to see a status quo change.
And it's really sad because these are the people that benefit the most when their local communities allow them to start selling to anybody over 21 without a doctor's note.
joe rogan
Right, but the doctors who've been making their living for all these years, giving away prescriptions and charging $150 a pop, that's that source of income these guys have.
todd mccormick
Doctors were historically wealthy, and they'll do fine actually practicing medicine, I'm sure.
joe rogan
Maybe, but when you're set up for years and years and years just giving out medical marijuana prescriptions and you're comfortable with it, then all of a sudden something's going to come along to make your business go away, and you're going to have to come up with some whole new business.
If you're a selfish douchebag, I could see where you'd be like, man, I don't want this to pass.
todd mccormick
Isn't that why the alcohol beverage industry is giving to the campaign against us?
unidentified
Of course.
todd mccormick
Isn't that why all these self-interested companies are stepping up?
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
It's all the same thing, but we don't expect it out of the medical marijuana doctors.
todd mccormick
Another lie I heard was that big tobacco money is behind this when it's such bullshit.
joe rogan
Proposition 19?
todd mccormick
Yes, when you can look up and see where all the money came from.
Dumbest thing ever.
Realistically, though, Prop 19 was passed by somebody that – as somebody I've known for over 15 years, he's a really good person that really just wanted to do the right thing.
He wanted to put forward a more liberal initiative, but he had cash, and he polled the initiatives, and he found that more liberal initiatives were not polling well enough to actually pass.
So he actually pulled back, pulled back, pulled back on the verbiage.
Until he got an initiative that pulled well enough to pass.
And what a lot of people don't realize is that this is not the means to the end.
This is just, or this is a means to the end.
It's not the end.
It's just one small step in the evolution of getting our freedoms back.
And this Prop 19 is going to be one step closer to having our rights back.
and what a lot of people are talking about which is pissing me off is that we got Meg Whitman buying her way into the governorship and we have Steve Cooley who has been the guy down here in LA for those of you who don't live in LA who has been closing down all the Los Angeles bot clubs and if this guy gets the top cop position in the state of California and Prop 19 loses all of these idiots and I'll say you are idiots that are going against Prop 19 that are selling medical marijuana are gonna lose your businesses and lose your freedoms
And the only thing that's going to protect you right now is if everybody in this state gets the rights that you have been getting for the last 14 years since medical marijuana.
joe rogan
What's that cop's name?
Let's not concentrate on these dildos.
Let's concentrate on that cop.
What's the cop's name?
brian redban
Yeah.
todd mccormick
Steve Cooley is...
joe rogan
This is the guy...
todd mccormick
...that's running for Attorney General, and he's basically running as somebody that's against the death penalty.
And in California, you might as well be running against somebody unopposed.
joe rogan
He's running against someone who's against the death penalty?
todd mccormick
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, so he's running unopposed.
todd mccormick
In that sense, he is.
Absolutely.
And when he gets in, his agenda is to do in the state what he's already done in L.A. Well, why does he want to shut down medical pot stores?
Ideologically, who knows what he's invested in?
Who knows what his reality is from?
joe rogan
It's whoever is a part of his campaign.
todd mccormick
It's all part of his life.
Who knows who really he's loyal to in that sense?
joe rogan
But there's something.
There's some campaign contributions.
There's something.
There's something going on.
todd mccormick
I would love to be able to follow the money forensically and see exactly what changed these people.
Because in some ways, there's got to be strings pulling them.
And it's not cheap to run a campaign in the state of California.
You need to get on the side to people with a lot of money.
Well, that's where that Meg Whitman chick is strange.
Oh, Meg is blowing big money.
joe rogan
She is very, very rich.
What was her position in eBay?
She had something to do with eBay.
brian redban
She, I thought, founded.
todd mccormick
Not founded.
She was the one that was brought in and brought them from being a very small company to a very large company.
She helped organize them, and she rode their growth curve.
joe rogan
Okay, so she made a ton of money off eBay, and now she wants to be the governor, and she's spending how much money to do this?
todd mccormick
She's already spent over $100 million of her own money to become governor.
joe rogan
$100 million for a job that pays $200,000 a year?
todd mccormick
Google it, people.
joe rogan
How much does it pay?
todd mccormick
It pays nothing.
And this is a scary part.
It's like, what do you think she's going to accomplish with this $100 million influence?
joe rogan
What is she doing this for?
todd mccormick
It's a testament to their ego.
It's building a big...
Why did Arnold do it, too?
joe rogan
Did you just turn my volume down?
brian redban
No.
todd mccormick
This is the part that kind of bothers me.
This is more of what we've had for a long time.
It's just that now we're looking at it and we're grossed out by it.
But don't think before newspapers and internet carried the word that robber barons weren't running politics going back to the 30s and 40s and 50s.
And when I say they, I don't mean to sound like some conspiracy nut.
I mean to sound like somebody that's realistic about the fact that alcohol got together after Prohibition and went, yo, who's our competition?
Oh, these kids are smoking this loco weed out of...
And then we should go after that.
joe rogan
Let's look at it this way.
But that's true.
Okay, okay.
This Meg Whitman woman, she is obviously very wealthy.
So it's going to be very difficult to buy a person that's very wealthy.
She's very wealthy.
So why would this very wealthy person want to stop medical marijuana in California?
Because that is what she wants to do.
What would be her motivation?
Because it would not be financial, right?
She doesn't need the money.
She's spending $100 million.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Can I say this?
You don't think that alcohol companies for sure are not giving her $100 million to kill a week.
todd mccormick
When you have that much money, Joe, it isn't sitting in a locker at the edge of your bed.
It's sitting in investments.
And I'd love to know what her portfolio is vested in because she has people that are actually standing there saying, this is what I'll advise you to do.
And anybody that's advising somebody that has literally hundreds of millions of dollars vested away is going to say, listen, this initiative is bad for your liquor investments.
It's bad for your pharmaceutical investments.
It's bad for your petrochemical investments.
joe rogan
So you think it's purely...
Financial decision on her part.
todd mccormick
I think a lot of why we're dealing with prohibition and why we're dealing with people that are against it is because of the financial connections they have.
And the more wealthy they are, the more people lean against them.
How few, in a sense, do we have of you?
Because here you are a guy that made it in TV. Five years on news radio, five plus years on Fear Factor.
You have a career.
You have advisors around you saying, listen, Joe, if you do stupid stuff, it's going to not get you the big jobs.
It'll pay a lot of money.
And then I'm not going to make money.
So are those persons going to advise you to go be the activist that you've become?
Or are they going to say, bro, really?
Because I know that a lot of other actors have to stop and think, man, I won't get hired if I start getting all radical.
And that's what they really believe.
So they tow the line.
You are so rare because you haven't towed the line.
You said, fuck it.
I'd rather be happy and be myself than be some slave to a corporate dictation.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you don't have to do it that way.
Those guys are pussies.
todd mccormick
A lot of them are.
unidentified
That's really what it is.
joe rogan
You can be yourself as long as you're a nice person.
todd mccormick
But how few Woody Harrelsons and Joe Rogans do we have speaking up for the right reasons?
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
A lot of people have families and they want to play it safe and they feel conservative and they get paranoid and they don't trust in the greater good of humanity and people's ability to see what they're seeing.
They don't have faith in their ability to express themselves so that people understand the point of view that they have and where they're coming from.
I have confidence in my ability to express myself.
todd mccormick
And you do it for us all.
joe rogan
I think it's important for everybody.
b-real
I think everybody should and would do it.
joe rogan
If you're a rational thinking person, why would you live your life pretending to be something other than who you are?
Why would you not want people to know about something that's radically changed the way you look at the world?
Why would you not want to?
Why, because fucking Meg Whitman says it's bad?
Look at that bitch.
Get the fuck out of here.
brian redban
Did she quit or get fired from eBay?
joe rogan
I don't know.
She's a woman who wants to be in control of things.
That's always freaky to me.
todd mccormick
I don't need a mom.
brian redban
Isn't 75% of eBay's audience stoned people in the middle of the night buying shit?
She should know her audience.
joe rogan
I don't know.
todd mccormick
She probably pulled a Sarah Palin.
She probably got fired.
Whacked away for more lucrative investments.
joe rogan
It's creepy, man.
Women that want to run shit creep me out.
todd mccormick
No.
joe rogan
I know it sounds gross, but it's totally true.
todd mccormick
No, it shouldn't sound gross.
joe rogan
Hillary Clinton, she doesn't creep you out?
unidentified
No.
todd mccormick
She is a creeper.
joe rogan
Creeps me the fuck out.
Condoleezza Rice, if Condoleezza Rice was running things, don't you think he'd freak the fuck out?
todd mccormick
Way creepy.
But there's a lot of creepy guys.
Dick Cheney creeps me out.
joe rogan
Right, they're creepy too.
I'm not saying I want guys running shit, but at least they've been doing that forever.
When a chick wants to hop in there and compete with the men, I'm like, what are you crazy bitch?
What are you doing?
You're not balanced.
You ain't no fucking yogi.
You're not gonna see through the maze.
You're fucking just as crazy as the men, if not crazier, because you're a woman.
todd mccormick
And because they're going to prove that they're tougher than the men they're replacing.
I was terrified.
That scares me.
joe rogan
There was a moment where Hillary Clinton was running for president where I was thinking, you know what?
She's going to win.
What if she wins and she gets into a position where one of these crazy fucks from another country tests her because she's a woman?
I mean, if assuming that political power is real and that the president really has any say and that anybody in another country really does pay attention to him, that it's not all this big, gigantic Bilderberger meeting group...
Assuming that a president is real.
Could you imagine what Putin would do if he sat across from fucking Hillary Clinton or Sauer Palin at some sort of negotiations?
todd mccormick
It's horrible.
joe rogan
He would crush them.
He would mock them.
todd mccormick
Well, because most cultures put their most intellectually capable people in power and not their best idiots.
joe rogan
It's not that men should be running shit.
It's not.
It's the most capable people.
I think the idea of the alpha, the idea of having a leader is fucking ridiculous.
I think it's some archaic shit that we have to figure a new way around.
So I'm not saying that men should be running shit, but I'm saying that anybody who's a woman that wants to run shit, that's kind of crazy.
You don't even have a dick.
Why are you trying to control everything?
What are you doing?
Why are you trying to fucking grab the reins?
unidentified
I don't know.
todd mccormick
What are you doing?
joe rogan
I don't want to be president.
Okay, I don't want to be a leader.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying that I am better than a woman who would be doing the job.
I'm saying when I see a woman who wants to be a leader, I understand the man wanting to be a leader.
It makes sense to me.
Even if I don't believe in it or agree with it, I understand it.
When I see a woman that's wanting to do it, I'm like, look at that crazy bitch.
That's what I think.
I think you want to be the king of the world and you're a chick?
Whoa.
You know?
brian redban
But yet, Iceland's not in wars, and they had a female president.
joe rogan
They got shit over there.
unidentified
It's frozen.
I was starting to think of all the female leaders around the world.
todd mccormick
I'm like, there's a lot, actually.
joe rogan
It's totally sexist for me.
todd mccormick
A whole lot of Queen Beatrices around the world.
joe rogan
It's totally sexist.
Don't get me wrong.
But I don't think anybody should be a leader.
I think the whole idea is based on some...
todd mccormick
I like that so much when you say that.
joe rogan
It's based on some leftover fucking shit from back when we were a tribe of 200 monkey people, and we needed a leader to protect us from the other monkey people who wanted to rape our women and take our food.
I mean, that's what it is.
The idea that one person can represent the whole country like a president, I don't give a fuck if he has a cabinet.
The idea that there's a one guy that stands there, and ladies and gentlemen, the president of the United States.
It's just the voice, though.
But it's even the voice, even the figurehead.
todd mccormick
It's a descendant of royalty.
joe rogan
It's an avatar.
The whole idea is ridiculous.
It's so ridiculous.
todd mccormick
But they created our whole structure in America to compete against what they were fighting.
joe rogan
And then they became that and worse.
todd mccormick
And they became way worse.
Way worse.
unidentified
It's beautiful.
todd mccormick
I love this.
unidentified
I'm going to hear so much shit from my female friends.
joe rogan
You don't think women should be running things?
What does that mean?
You think men do it better?
Maybe men have been doing it wrong for so long.
Maybe it would be good for a woman to give it a try.
brian redban
You're definitely comfortable in your relationship, John.
todd mccormick
That's not a worldly thing to say if she's a woman.
brian redban
Meaning, like, I'm not going to be like, yeah, fuck, women should be presidents.
What was his name, John Bobbitt?
Women should totally be presidents.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
todd mccormick
He's saying he's afraid to get his dick cut off when he goes home, and he's obviously saying you're not, so.
joe rogan
No, bro, what he's saying is, you misread, he's saying is he's trying to pretend to be someone different so he's attracting females.
brian redban
Well, I'm not going to start bashing the female race right now.
unidentified
That's what it is.
joe rogan
I'm not bashing the females race.
Listen, most women...
brian redban
But that's how women take that.
joe rogan
Okay, listen, well, the women that take that are cunts.
Listen, I'm not bashing the female race because I'm not bashing the male race that doesn't want to be president.
You know, most of the male race doesn't want to be president.
You don't want to be president.
It's not a male thing.
It's a leader thing.
But what I'm saying is I understand the creepy fuck control freak men.
I understand that instinct.
But when I see a chick that wants to rock that...
I go, what's going on there?
You see, like, Sarah Palin?
I guess one way, Sarah Palin's just this dummy that got stuck into a nice position, and she's trying to make some money.
I mean, that's really what it is.
But, after a while, it's not that anymore.
After a while, it's like, well, you're the figurehead for the retard movement, and you're just like them, and you got a microphone on you, and there's a spotlight on you, and oh, now you're a fucking problem, because you never were supposed to get to this point.
And somehow you've artificially been inserted into the public consciousness with no merit, and now all the retards go, just like me!
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
I hope they rise up and start these fucking tea party rallies.
Have you watched any of that shit?
todd mccormick
They're crazy.
joe rogan
Goddamn!
todd mccormick
Insane.
joe rogan
And Glenn Beck is just making gold underwear and gold socks and diamond-covered fucking cars.
And that guy must be just scraping it in with rakes.
He's so obviously full of shit, too.
It's like his game only works on the dumb.
But there's so many dumb people.
It's a very effective tactic.
Him and her together, man.
They scare the fuck out of me.
todd mccormick
Double dumb.
joe rogan
Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, if they combine forces like they did at that tea party meeting...
brian redban
Had a daughter and it was the first president.
joe rogan
Dude, they could run for president, man.
That's real shit.
brian redban
I hope the first president's a black lady with a lisp that's totally a lesbian.
I hope it's every single horrible thing that's wrong with banning gay marriage, women presidents.
I hope it's all combined into one super president.
That just pisses off everybody.
joe rogan
I hope it's an alien.
todd mccormick
An alien?
joe rogan
I hope an alien wins in disguise of a human being and then tells everybody.
todd mccormick
Now that we have a diplomat, we'd like to.
joe rogan
Now that I'm in place and I'm running shit, bitches need to sit the fuck down.
We've been thinking about exterminating you fucks for about 50 years now.
todd mccormick
I thought your concept of us being mold was really accurate.
joe rogan
Well, it is a giant life form.
It's a giant life form on a superorganism.
That's what the human race is.
The human race is on Earth.
Earth is a life form.
It is a superorganism.
We don't think of planets that support life as a life form.
Because it's an environment where life grows.
But I'm not so sure about that.
If you look at lava and the center and the magnetic core and you look at the magnetosphere and the atmosphere, it's not just a place where life is.
It's almost like a system.
todd mccormick
It's alive and we're in nerve endings.
unidentified
It might be conscious.
joe rogan
We don't know what's conscious, man.
We're guessing.
And we assume that conscious means that it can talk like us and move like us.
But we don't know.
There's a lot of evidence that there might be something going on inside trees.
Some sort of a fucking reaction that trees and plants have to people.
todd mccormick
Well, think of cellular intelligence.
And that's really where we've always thought, oh, it's in our brain.
And then there's this myth that we don't even use our own brain, all of our brain.
And it's like, really?
How many of us...
Are you stupid that you believe that your whole body is not actually shooting at all marks right now?
And I think that our capability of intelligence is really, really deep.
joe rogan
Well, that's a metaphor, I think, for wasted potential.
People have this idea that we're only using 10% of our brains if we just really concentrate.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
No one even knows what that means.
What does that mean?
You're only using 10% of your brain.
What's going on with the other 90% of your brain?
todd mccormick
I think it's useful.
joe rogan
Well, you know how we know how the brain works?
When we blow holes in parts of the brain, we shoot people in parts of their head, and then we go, oh, I can't see anymore.
I guess that's the part where you see out of.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
Oh, we drill a hole here, and all of a sudden he's calm.
Well, I guess this is the part that makes him aggressive.
We'll just drill a hole in that bitch.
todd mccormick
That was the lobotomy.
joe rogan
That's what they did.
When people got a little nutty, they go, look, what do you want to do?
You want to kill him?
You want to drill a fucking hole in his head and see if we can fix him?
brian redban
One flew over the cuckoo's nest.
todd mccormick
Yeah, one flew far.
joe rogan
Yeah, they would fix people by drilling holes in their head.
Hollaback.
Hello back, y'all.
There's a whole group of humans that voluntarily put holes in their head.
And they believe that it alleviates pressure and gives them euphoria.
And that the pressure of the growing brain trapped inside the skull causes headaches and all sorts of problems.
And in Africa, there's fucking cultures that have done this where they literally, they caught the entire skull.
I posted it on Twitter.
See if you can find it.
I mean, I don't know what you would look under.
There's a term for it.
There's a term for it for cutting holes in someone's head.
Where they call...
Shit, I'm fucking up here.
Because there's an actual term for it.
But people do it on purpose.
It's like it's a...
See if you can find that, man.
todd mccormick
But people are crazy.
joe rogan
Voluntary holes in the head.
brian redban
Tree panning?
joe rogan
Yes!
Tree panning.
T-R-E-P-A-N-I-N-G. It's often reused to leave pressure beneath a surface.
unidentified
Blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's a video of these African dudes where they do it with no anesthesia and they do it with these fucking stone tools.
They, like, strip away your fucking scalp and cut out your bone.
todd mccormick
Oh!
joe rogan
And they don't just do it once.
They do it as many as 20 times.
todd mccormick
In a life?
joe rogan
Yeah, and they fuck their brains up.
Not only that, they have to wear hats from then on because their brain is exposed.
There's, like, a canoe-shaped cutout on the top of their fucking skull.
brian redban
Dr. John Clark was the first one to do it in 1664. And he taught the Africans how to do it?
They're saying U.S. I'm sorry, U.S. American.
joe rogan
Well, who knows?
It might have been just like religion.
We brought Christianity over to Africa.
It's just his first physician to perform it in the U.S. And he did it as alleviating pressure on someone?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
It's like, if you can think about it, someone's out there doing it, man.
You've seen those women in Suri, is that where it is in Africa, where they cut their lip and stick a plate in it?
Have you seen that shit?
You know what I'm talking about.
You've never seen the plates in the lower lips?
todd mccormick
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I didn't know the Siri.
I didn't know the name.
joe rogan
Dude, it's the most insane thing.
It's not just weird.
The bigger the plate, the more cows they're worth when they get married.
So, like, say if you want to marry my daughter, okay, and she's got a giant-ass fucking plate, I'm like, bitch, that's a 50-cow plate.
You gotta come strong, son.
todd mccormick
Right.
joe rogan
So dudes would have to give up a herd because she's willing to carry around this giant plate in her lips.
todd mccormick
What else is you willing to carry around?
joe rogan
They bang their teeth out, too.
They have to bang their lower teeth out.
Because the plate sits there, and you can't get a full plate in there if you have the lower teeth.
So when the plate starts getting big, they have to smash their teeth out.
brian redban
Do you remember what blowjobs feel like?
joe rogan
How much does Africa suck that people are willing to do that?
You're willing to put plates in your lips and cut holes in your head.
brian redban
The neck thing, where they stretch the neck out.
joe rogan
It's all Africa.
todd mccormick
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
They must be so freaked out that they got stuck in Africa.
They're like, look, we're going to make this interesting.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
We are stuck running from hyenas and getting eaten by crocodiles and shit.
We're going to have to stretch our necks out.
Let's make our necks real big.
todd mccormick
Whoa.
Who knows why they do these things.
joe rogan
Well, how about those heads they found in Peru where they stretch their head out gigantic like a big alien head?
They did it to a huge percentage of the population.
They put boards on their heads and tied them down and literally extended their head.
And people were thinking, well, is this to emulate something?
Is it to emulate the gods, all the Anunnaki people?
See, this is evidence.
They were doing this to try to emulate.
Maybe not, because look at these Africans cutting the fucking holes in their lips and sticking plates in there, or the dudes cutting holes in their heads and letting the air out.
They're not emulating anything.
unidentified
No.
todd mccormick
They're just practicing medicine.
joe rogan
They're fucking nuts, man.
People are nuts.
todd mccormick
Well, they're still kind of nuts, too.
brian redban
Or they're trolling everyone.
todd mccormick
You know what's freaky?
The disease I had as a child, I found out in the mid-80s, they stopped treating aggressively.
That, like, more when I was in the 70s, I was more a victim of fucking chemotherapy and elective surgeries.
Not elective surgeries, but surgeries that weren't needed and radiation than I was of the actual disease because they were practicing.
unidentified
What?
todd mccormick
Yeah, you know what's fucked up too is the X in histiocytosis X meant that the ethology of the disease was unknown.
And when I first asked an adult, you know, where did my disease come from?
And they went, we don't know.
And I was like, wait a minute, who's we?
You and me?
Or like, we like humanity.
joe rogan
So what exactly is the disease?
todd mccormick
It's like an overactive immune system.
It's histiocytosis X. And it's an overactive immune system?
Right.
Like, I would have too many white blood cells, and they would, like, in a sense, accumulate, if you will.
And usually it was in, like, bone marrow and areas like that, and it creates, like, blowouts.
So, like, my spine, it blew out.
My arm, it blew out.
My hip, it blew out.
joe rogan
Would it get better if you got sick?
todd mccormick
What do you mean sick?
joe rogan
You got a cold.
todd mccormick
No.
joe rogan
Well, if white blood cells are there to...
todd mccormick
Right.
No, no, no.
Think...
No.
But I don't usually ever get sick.
joe rogan
People are sneezing all the time.
todd mccormick
But what's funny is I don't really ever get sick.
Either I have problems where, like, obviously it was overgrowing, you know, in marrows and stuff, or I'm always healthy.
I went through prison five years and I didn't get a cold.
unidentified
Whoa!
todd mccormick
Yeah, and that's a germ place, let me tell you.
brian redban
You start licking toilets and stuff.
unidentified
Well...
joe rogan
Yeah.
todd mccormick
I don't like touching doors and shit, though.
I'm not a germaphobe, but I actually...
I'm careful.
joe rogan
People are gross.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People are nose-picking, ball-scratching, ass-fucking-wiping, just disgusting fucking...
todd mccormick
Which is why I always recommend you use a tissue from the bathroom when you open the door to any public restroom.
brian redban
I kick mine open like a man.
todd mccormick
Not if you've got to pull it, but with a man.
joe rogan
The wrong direction.
What are you going to do if you have to twist it and pull it?
todd mccormick
Usually you do, actually.
You use a piece of towel.
brian redban
Yeah.
todd mccormick
There's ways you can protect yourself.
joe rogan
And if we had hemp, we could be using hemp towel, man.
todd mccormick
You just have to clean it, man.
brian redban
We just had to get some hemp flashlights.
joe rogan
Which is why we have to vote yes on 19. Yeah, vote yes on 19. It's very important.
And if you're one of those people out there that goes, man, potheads are fucking annoying.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of potheads that are annoying.
Most potheads are just like most people.
A good percentage of people are annoying.
And the reason being is because we do not have a direction book on how to properly live a healthy life.
A healthy, fun, satisfying life.
We live our lives based on myths and bullshit, TV shows and movies, and we have this distorted perception of what this fucking world is all about.
So most people, especially with the situation that we have now, the way our world is set up, it's so easy for a moron to just drift through and be taken care of every step of the way, and yet have opinions, and yet be able to vote.
todd mccormick
George Bush Jr. Well, Sarah Palin, man.
joe rogan
That's way scarier than him.
brian redban
Gary Coleman.
joe rogan
At least he was a man.
todd mccormick
Whoa.
joe rogan
That's right, I said it.
unidentified
Gary Coleman.
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck.
Gary Coleman.
Gary Coleman can vote.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Angry as fuck.
todd mccormick
I'd been angry, too, after his whole bad life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The saddest part of his life was when he was in the hospital dead, dying, and his fucking crazy cunt ex-wife takes a picture and sells it to him, like, all strapped up with pipes and shit, dying in bed, and she's right next to him with his, like, dead...
todd mccormick
She did that?
joe rogan
Yeah, dead fucking rubber face...
Just, like, didn't have any emotion in her eyes.
Nothing.
Like, yep, here he is.
He's dead, and this is me.
I'm next to the dead guy.
todd mccormick
That's horrible.
joe rogan
Oh, it's gross.
brian redban
She has that shit on, like, mouth pads.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure it's true.
todd mccormick
Whoa.
I've never seen that.
I did not know she did that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty dark, dude.
todd mccormick
I'm learning.
I'm learning.
Well, you got it saved, even, huh?
joe rogan
I think I should.
todd mccormick
Whoa.
joe rogan
Usually, I do.
todd mccormick
You know, I can't thank you enough for coming out and supporting Prop 19, man.
joe rogan
Well, dude, you know I enjoy the marijuana.
So, of course, I've got to support Prop 19. Yeah.
todd mccormick
You know, a lot of people have been really confused on what this really does, man.
And, you know, that's been a big problem for us.
joe rogan
That's what I was talking about when I was saying most people.
You look at potheads and you think they're annoying.
todd mccormick
Right.
Really, I'm finding them annoying right now because I can't believe all these people I was working around that I thought was working towards a common goal are now working against it.
joe rogan
Because a lot of people are against Prop 19. That's what you're saying?
todd mccormick
A lot of people are against Prop 19 not for the right reasons either.
joe rogan
For financial reasons.
todd mccormick
Financial reasons or just inaccuracies.
brian redban
That's how much most hippies are though.
Every time I was hung out with hippies, they were trying to make money like...
Making profits and selling.
todd mccormick
There's a lot of non-hippies that are just commercially motivated.
There's a bunch of people that have just got in this industry in the last few years since SBF420 passed and allowed for clubs.
They're trying to make money, and right now they think, oh no, you're going to change this, and we like this, so please don't change this.
And that is really what we're up against when it comes from the enemy within, if you will.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of people that aren't hippies.
They're opportunists.
unidentified
They are.
joe rogan
I know a bunch of people that are in the business.
todd mccormick
The idealists are out.
joe rogan
Yeah, the people that own dispensaries, they're doing it purely for profit.
todd mccormick
Some.
There's a lot of good ones.
You know, Berkeley Patients Group, Harborside.
joe rogan
They're all good.
todd mccormick
There's a lot of good ones.
joe rogan
They all provide something that's good.
Marijuana's good.
But there's a lot of people that you wouldn't expect.
They're not like old dudes with gray hair and ponytails.
They're young dudes that look like they're fucking doing squats.
todd mccormick
Right.
Well, Prop 19 is going to make it so these people aren't having to get away with it.
They're going to be able to service their neighbors who have a right to have pot.
And everybody in the state is going to have a right to grow pot.
And that's going to be a big, big deal.
joe rogan
Yeah, so all these people that are selling it, the shit's going to go under because no one's going to need to buy it.
You can just grow your own.
unidentified
It's so easy.
todd mccormick
Well, you're going to see the prices drop, thankfully.
joe rogan
Radically.
todd mccormick
Radically.
And profits are going to drop.
And right now, it's the liquor companies.
It's the big drug cartels.
These are the people that are against us.
joe rogan
I'd be more than willing to pay exactly what I'm paying right now.
Just keep making it just as good.
I'll pay just as much.
brian redban
Can I say this though?
todd mccormick
There's always going to be thousand dollar bottles of wine.
And there's going to be people that do things with a high quality.
And grandma could grow better pot than me, for instance, and you'll want grandma's pot over mine.
That's reality.
brian redban
I want to bulk Cheetos.
I want to just be like piles of it.
Just be like throwing.
Everyone joins out my window.
todd mccormick
The only thing about that, though, is that it doesn't really lend itself for quality with quantity.
Because when you have large amounts of it, you don't have, in a sense, as good a quality control in smaller batches.
joe rogan
Now, let's talk about one thing for the non-marijuana smoking amongst us.
This is one of the things that really fascinated me the most when I first found out about marijuana.
When I first...
When I was a kid, I thought marijuana was bad for you, it made you stupid, all these different things.
But when I first started smoking weed, the thing that fascinated me the most was that there are two completely different strains that have very different effects.
They're not different strains?
todd mccormick
Okay, let me break this down.
Can I say this right now?
There's a lot of confusion in this.
Before I went to prison, a friend of mine, he wrote Marijuana Botany, and he later wrote the book Hashish, been revised.
His name's Robert Carnall Clark.
He's forgotten more about cannabis than I've had an opportunity to learn.
And while I was in prison, these scientists actually looked at the specimens of sativa and indica.
And sativa and indica were questions.
So if I walked up to you with seeds, Joe, it would actually be, does this make clothing and paper and all this stuff?
Or is it like India?
Because if you look up the word indica...
joe rogan
So that's the names.
todd mccormick
Indica means...
Of or like India, okay?
So when you go to India, all of the cannabis that's grown there is indica because it's in India.
But when you go there, you'll find tropical varieties down by Goa and northern varieties up by the area that's now Pakistan and Hindu Kush.
That is the entire range of cannabis and it's all indica.
joe rogan
The history lesson is interesting.
But for everyone today who wants pot, there's two different effects.
Indica makes you sleepy, and it makes you couch weed.
It makes you what a lot of people think of as a stoner.
Sativa is a totally different experience, and it makes you much more introspective.
It makes you start looking at fucking telescopes and space documentaries.
So, if it's not a strain, what should we call it?
todd mccormick
Well, it's an equatorial variety.
It's from near the equator.
Let me break this down.
joe rogan
There's two different effects, though, correct?
It is.
I want people who are not pot smokers to understand this.
When you go into these deep historical...
todd mccormick
It's not, but think of it like this.
joe rogan
They're two different things, right?
todd mccormick
In the 60s and 70s, all the pot that was coming into America was like Acapulco Gold, Michoacan, Maui Waui, Jamaican.
All of these strains were from near the equator.
They made you happy, horny, well-organized, wanting to do things like protest.
And then the hippies went to Afghanistan.
They found this short, fat-leaved plant that they thought was indica, and they started mixing it with all these tropical varieties like Maui Waui and Thai stick and stuff, and they shortened the time it takes to flower cannabis, and they picked varieties that yielded the most amount of pot because it was prohibited.
joe rogan
And the reason being is that the ones that were equatorial, the ones that were Growing on the equator needed a longer cycle of sun.
todd mccormick
Because it's right.
Because they're in a 12-12 growing cycle.
joe rogan
And those are the ones that have the different psychoactive effect.
The ones that come in contact more with the sun are the ones that make you...
todd mccormick
Not so much more with the sun.
It's just the varieties that develop near and around the equator.
Where there was a longer cycle.
joe rogan
To be grown in America, they have to be grown indoors.
todd mccormick
Yep.
And then what happened is the hippies, in a sense, started breeding this Afghan with all of their tropical varieties.
And through the 80s, we kind of developed this one-hit wonderpot that took away all that good energy and took away all that.
And now, for me, I always smoke haze.
I like super silver haze and then I'll buy haze.
joe rogan
For people who don't understand what you're saying, haze means sativa.
todd mccormick
In a sense, it does.
In the sense, our terminology of sativa.
But sativa really means most useful.
joe rogan
Okay, that's true, but that's not how it's used in dispensaries.
Dispensaries, indica and sativa is how it's used.
Sativa is the heady, more trippy space weed, and indica is couch weed.
todd mccormick
High energy, indica is low energy.
joe rogan
My whole point in the beginning was, I did not know there was two different types of pot.
I thought pot was pot, and then all pot had a similar effect.
Some pot may be stronger than other pot, but it's basically all pot.
You're going to smoke pot.
You'll either get really high or whatever.
But it's not the same.
It's not even remotely the same.
There are two different experiences.
And almost everyone is used to indica because indica is the easiest shit to grow.
Indica is the shit that you're getting if you're getting it from, you know, some dudes are coming down from, you know, they're in Canada growing in the fucking forest.
todd mccormick
It grows the fastest and yields the most.
And now that we're getting through prohibition, we'll see these varieties that take longer and yield less, but have a profoundly different effect on our energy and our thinking and our motivation.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
So how is it wrong, what I was saying?
todd mccormick
Well, it's not sativa.
Everybody's calling it sativa, but sativa really means hemp.
It's Indo-European hemp varieties.
joe rogan
Right, but we've decided.
They're all just names, though.
But everyone universally in the pot community, they're looking at two different things, indica and sativa.
That's what they called it, right?
That's universally in the pot community.
They're all just a noise you make with your mouth to describe something.
todd mccormick
Absolutely.
But we'll be making a different noise soon.
joe rogan
We're not going to call it Sativa and Indica?
Well, it's going to confuse the fuck out of people.
That's what it is.
todd mccormick
No, no, no, no.
Right now, we look.
What are we going to call it?
In all reality, California is not that developed.
joe rogan
High weed and couch weed?
unidentified
What are we going to call it?
todd mccormick
We'll call it names like Arrowhead or Avion or whatever we're calling that water at the time.
We don't really go, give me a bottle of water when we're sitting in a five-star restaurant.
We say, do you have Avion or do you have...
joe rogan
No, I say bottled water.
What am I, a fucking water connoisseur?
I just want water.
todd mccormick
Okay, now trip on this.
The same way right now, you walk up to a weed counter, it's almost like the same thing.
Because you can't make distinguishes like you do liquor.
And when you walk up to a bar, you know the difference between wine and whiskey.
And if somebody, you order whiskey and they hand you wine, you're going to be like, yo, douchebag, this isn't what I've asked for.
joe rogan
Right, but when I go to the pot store, I say, hey, where's your sativas?
Oh, we got Jack Cleaner, we got Trainwreck.
Give me some of that Trainwreck.
And that's what we do.
todd mccormick
But technically, all drug varieties are indica.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
No.
There's two different types though.
unidentified
When you go to India and you get indica and it's from Goa and it's tropical.
Fuck India.
joe rogan
Indica sucked my dick.
There's two different experiences.
We've broken this down for people who don't know.
Look, practical knowledge is very important.
What all he's saying is all nonsense.
There's two different experiences.
There's the couch weed and there's the weed that makes you think about the universe and want to be creative.
So that's sativa.
That's what they call it.
The indica shit is OG Kush.
I'm going to take a nap and eat Cheetos all day.
brian redban
That's what they're selling it as.
todd mccormick
OG grows very much like a sativa, just so you know.
It's long and leggy and grows tall and has small buds.
I hate to break that.
joe rogan
It's a more potent version of the indica.
todd mccormick
But you want to know what's weird?
My haze, my sativa, you're calling it, came back at 23.7 THC, and my OG Kush indica, you're calling it, came back at 20.6 THC. There was a 3.1 difference in THC. Right, but aren't there a bunch of different things, cannabinoids, other than THC that make up the high?
It's not just THC. Well, actually, I think that there was a doctor in an institute...
joe rogan
By the way, we should point out that Todd knows his shit.
Where's your book?
Before we go any further...
todd mccormick
Well, there was a doctor at the Institute.
joe rogan
Fucking faggot.
What does he know?
This is what he knows, bitch.
He's got a book, How to Grow Medical Marijuana.
todd mccormick
You're out of Europe.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm right here.
todd mccormick
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I came back.
It's on a delay.
This is a book, How to Grow Medical Marijuana.
And it's not in print right now, right?
todd mccormick
No.
joe rogan
To get it, you go to Amazon.com and maybe get a used copy.
todd mccormick
Yes.
joe rogan
You probably do that, right?
todd mccormick
Yeah.
My next book, Grow Medicine, is going to come out.
And I'm going to be talking about strain-specific growing.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could write a lot of books on growing weed.
It's very complex, isn't it?
todd mccormick
It is, and there's a lot of differences.
When people try to say, oh, generalized, this is how you grow pot, you can tell they've never grown pot because pot is very different to grow.
I mean, go ahead.
joe rogan
I was going to say, this is a question I need answered because I do not understand it.
Now, there's a female plant and a male plant, and you need the female plant is where the medicine comes from, where weed comes from.
todd mccormick
There are psychoactive properties in both.
joe rogan
Right, but they become one or the other.
You have to get the males out.
Explain what happens, how it pollinates.
todd mccormick
Males are sexed much like men.
In an irony, you'll find funny.
joe rogan
Is that normal with other plants, by the way?
todd mccormick
Some plants are either dioecious or have both sexes on one plant.
Cannabis actually can be both because it does hermaphrodite and sometimes spews on it.
joe rogan
So when you get a male, you've got to get it out of there.
todd mccormick
Right.
Males actually create their pollen sacks faster than the females actually develop their buds.
And in hemp, for instance, the males pollinate and then die off early.
And the Roman Catholic Church miscategorized the male and female plants, even though the female had the seeds, and even though the male blew the pollen, they didn't like that the male died off early, so they called the male the female and the female the male.
joe rogan
Whoa.
todd mccormick
Yeah, they were heavy into their dogma, you know?
Can't rattle their cage.
That's fascinating.
joe rogan
So how do you tell?
Say if you've grown a bunch of weed plants, you have to keep an eye on them bitches because they're all males.
brian redban
It's like certain leaves, like little tiny ball leaves.
todd mccormick
What they do is they develop these little male pollen sacs, if you will, and what they do is they come off the flower different.
They come off the plant and they hang like little ball sacs and they open up and then the pollen, this is a male flower open, the pollen is carried to the, if you've ever seen little red hairs on your pot, those are the sex glands and they are what the pollen attracts to.
brian redban
They don't get you higher at all.
todd mccormick
What?
The red?
brian redban
Yeah, the red hair doesn't get you higher at all.
todd mccormick
Well, the red hair doesn't have crystals on it.
brian redban
Right.
todd mccormick
You know, they just have these, like, non-glandular dichromes.
brian redban
It looks cool, though.
So you get some weed, and you're like, look over red hair!
todd mccormick
But that red hair skunk is not what you want.
joe rogan
That's funny, because it's so pretty.
todd mccormick
Well, when that male pollen hits those pistils, what it does is it causes that to fertilize, and the seed grows in that little pod.
And if she doesn't get fertilized, that pod just swells and swells and swells.
And the resin develops deeper.
That's why we grow seedless cannabis because it's like tricking the female into like really producing a lot of resins and a lot of, you know, she's waiting, waiting, waiting to be fertilized and it never comes.
joe rogan
So it makes it more potent?
todd mccormick
Well, you know, potency I think is an interesting conversation.
There was a doctor at the Institute of Medicine who got up one day and he said, I gave my patients 10 mg THC and they had a known effect and then I gave them 10 mg THC and 1 mg CBN and it doubled the effective dose and I shot my hand up and I said, hey, Would that replicate in nature?
And he said, I think it would.
And when I put my hand down, my publisher said, what did you two geeks just ask each other?
And I said, basically, he told me to breed hemp in with my drug varieties because CBN, for instance, is a chemical that's mostly found in hemp.
And as we have bred away from the characteristics of these equatorial varieties that are more hemp-like, We have actually bred more towards the drug varieties and we've lowered the chemical of CBN down while raising THC up with less of an effective rate.
So now we have THC levels over 20% that don't hit us as hard as I believe is if we had a little bit of CBN mixed in with it.
joe rogan
How many different cannabinoids are there inside a marijuana plant?
todd mccormick
Well, there are over 400 chemicals created by the cannabis plant, and that's the definition of a cannabinoid.
And the reality is that 60 of them are known to be therapeutic.
joe rogan
No, your shit's vibrating.
todd mccormick
It's okay.
We'll ignore it.
joe rogan
It's coming through the microphone.
todd mccormick
And what's going to happen is that as science understands these elements of it more...
Then they'll be able to better direct what the different chemicals and also terpenes.
Because terpenes are these volatile oils that are on the bud.
And what happens is they're kind of steamed off when it's dried.
So if anybody's ever picked up a cannabis flower and it had good body and you squished it and it still had moisture and you could smell it was real strong, those terpenes were intact.
joe rogan
And that has a psychoactive effect as well.
todd mccormick
And a synergistic psychoactive effect with the chemicals inside.
unidentified
So drying the weed is not good.
todd mccormick
It's good.
Over drying it bad.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz likes to take his weed and put it on the heater.
I put that shit on the heater.
You know what I do?
brian redban
It's easy to make joints.
unidentified
I put that shit on the windowsill and let it dry out.
Yeah.
Perfect.
todd mccormick
Sometimes I put it on top of the TV. But the reality is because a lot of what he's getting is people that are hurrying to market and they sell pot that's not dry and not cured.
The best cannabis is actually not just dried but cured and then stored for about three months.
unidentified
What?
todd mccormick
And then the oil's set up and they're the smoothest.
brian redban
Right.
todd mccormick
Yes.
And then there's a window of when those cannabinoids actually keep themselves, which is between three months and nine months.
So after nine months, your weed starts to degrade.
Chemically decompose in a sense, yes.
joe rogan
So old weeds, whack.
What about if you cook with it?
todd mccormick
Different.
How about different?
joe rogan
What if you cook with it?
What if you have an old chocolate bar?
An old weed chocolate bar?
How long does that last?
todd mccormick
If you have an old weed chocolate bar older than nine months...
brian redban
Then the dairy product in it would be moldy and you wouldn't want to eat it anyway.
todd mccormick
You would have other issues with chocolate bars.
They're wrapped up.
joe rogan
They're wrapped up.
brian redban
Well, not the kind that the hippies make probably.
joe rogan
I have some of those old fucking Nestle's Quick bars that they made with weed.
todd mccormick
You know, a lot of why I don't eat cannabis that's provided to me by people is because I don't know the conditions in which it's made and I don't trust the way they handled it and stuff.
Not just measuring because you don't know how strong it's going to be.
Interestingly enough, in Holland, hash bonbons and brownies are considered a hard drug.
Totally verboten.
You can be 16 and go into a Dutch coffee shop, buy hash on your way to high school, and you're cool.
But you can't buy brownies.
joe rogan
And this is something that you told me about first.
You were the first person to tell me about 11-hydroxy.
That eating weed.
todd mccormick
Eating weed.
When you eat weed, it goes through your liver and kidneys, and it actually turns a chemical process, and it turns the psychoactive chemical THC into another chemical called 11-hydroxy metabolite.
And that 11-hydroxy is two to five times more psychoactive than the cannabis.
Actually, it's three to five times was the estimate I saw out of the University of Mississippi.
And you don't get THCV, I mean 11-hydroxy, in your bloodstream when you smoke cannabis.
joe rogan
It's such a different experience.
And you and I were talking about it one night.
I don't remember what the context of the conversation was, but it was probably I ate something that was just too fucking strong.
And you had to explain it.
So many people have had it and they're like, I'm on acid or something.
It does not feel like that.
todd mccormick
And you're not used to it because when you smoke pot, you're only used to dealing with THC and your bloodstream and not 11-hydroxy.
joe rogan
So different, man.
There's nothing.
Ari Shavir, we were on a plane the other day.
We were flying to Austin, Texas, and Ari ate a cookie in his car on the way to the airport.
And then he got there, and it takes an hour and 20 minutes or so to kick in.
He got there.
We were on the plane, on the tarmac, and he was seriously thinking about telling him they had to let him off the plane.
todd mccormick
Because he was that high.
joe rogan
He was that high.
I didn't know until we landed.
brian redban
Some model did that the other day I saw on the news.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Well, you know, Dave Chappelle did that, too.
Dave Chappelle had a panic moment on a plane.
todd mccormick
I gotta get off.
joe rogan
It might have been that, you know?
todd mccormick
That's one of those things that you wonder if you really want to go with it, though.
What if you get off the plane and the fucking thing crashes?
You'd be like, thank you, baby Jesus, I'm now religious.
You know, it would be a moment, you know?
unidentified
I get it.
joe rogan
Yes.
brian redban
We got your hemp parachutes.
joe rogan
High as fuck, son.
todd mccormick
That's what saved George Bush's grandfather.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
todd mccormick
Hemp parachutes.
joe rogan
And the first draft, the Declaration of Independence was drafted on hemp?
todd mccormick
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Motherfucker.
todd mccormick
This was an integral part of our history, man.
And this is why I'm trying to convince people they need it back.
joe rogan
Yeah.
todd mccormick
Betsy Ross, bitch.
They had no other options.
Canvas was the only thing they had.
There was no cotton gin when she knitted the first American flag.
We only need to look at our history's timetable to realize what we were using before the invention of some of these things.
joe rogan
This is all lost information, ladies and gentlemen.
And if you want to find out more about this, if you're really fascinated, go pick up this book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes.
It's the one that, as we said, was written by our late friend Jack Herrer.
Herrer is how you say it, right?
todd mccormick
Think Terror.
Yeah, Herrer like Terror, he used to say.
brian redban
His weed's still available, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can still buy a strain.
There's a strain named after him.
Is there a Todd McCormick strain out there?
todd mccormick
Thank God, no.
joe rogan
No, thank God, no.
todd mccormick
Thank God, no.
joe rogan
There's a Joe Rogan out there.
unidentified
There is?
brian redban
Is there really?
todd mccormick
Can I get the plant?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian redban
I don't know where it is.
joe rogan
How about you make your own, man?
todd mccormick
I was just going to say that!
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about, man.
unidentified
Fuck it.
joe rogan
I'll give you permission.
todd mccormick
Excuse me, man.
joe rogan
This is an officially sanctioned Joe Rogan strain that will be created by Todd McCormick.
todd mccormick
Do you want it to be sativa or indica?
joe rogan
Sativa, son.
I don't fuck with that dope weed.
brian redban
Maybe just a sprinkle of indica.
joe rogan
Yeah, a sprinkle sometimes makes you a little silly.
Just a little sprinkle.
todd mccormick
I think that's a great idea.
joe rogan
You're going to have to do some research and see how to put this together.
Thank you, everybody, for tuning in to the podcast.
Once again, thank you to the Fleshlight for sponsoring.
I don't know why I hold this up.
I can't just say it.
I can just say it, but I feel like it's right here.
I have to show you that it's really good.
todd mccormick
But does it light?
joe rogan
Is it light?
No, there's no light, man.
brian redban
There's no light.
It's just all flesh.
joe rogan
Fuck it.
todd mccormick
I'm not doing it.
brian redban
It's just rubber.
todd mccormick
It's just rubber.
Oh, that's fucking weird rubber, man.
joe rogan
It's pretty good, man.
todd mccormick
I don't know what's up with that.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what's up.
It's better for masturbating.
Do you masturbate at all?
Don't lie.
Of course you do, right?
unidentified
Of course.
todd mccormick
I went to prison for five years.
joe rogan
But if you masturbate, why wouldn't you want one of these?
Because this is masturbating to the next level.
todd mccormick
I could give you a long list of reasons it just pops right off my head.
Cleaning it?
Dealing with it?
joe rogan
So easy.
This is how you deal with it, right?
You open up the top, right?
So you shoot your load in there, and then you unscrew the bottom, and then you release the crack in there.
brian redban
And you also use the bottom.
todd mccormick
Is it dishwasher safe?
brian redban
Dishwasher?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That ain't a dish.
That's your girlfriend, son.
todd mccormick
You're not getting that clean.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you stick a fucking...
brian redban
You attach the faucet to the top of it.
You shoot it through.
todd mccormick
Oh, you just stick the faucet through it.
brian redban
Or you shoot it on your face.
You do whatever you want to.
joe rogan
Shoot it on your face.
I like how you think, Brian.
Play us out with a song.
What's the song, Brian?
unidentified
This is called Walking on a Dream by Imperial Sun.
joe rogan
Thank you everybody for tuning in.
We may or may not be doing one of these on Thursday.
Maybe do it with Joey and Eddie.
todd mccormick
Can you send him to my website?
joe rogan
Yes, send him to...
todd mccormick
Hempiremedia.com.
joe rogan
Hempire, that's with an H. H-E-M-P-I-R. You can find him on Twitter, Hempire Media.
For the folks that aren't watching this right now on the Ustream, Hempire Media on Twitter, H-E-M-P-I-R-E Media.
And of course, Brian is Red Band and I am just my name, Joe Rogan.
Thank you very much.
brian redban
Good night, everybody.
joe rogan
Thanks for tuning in.
May see you guys on Thursday.
If not, as always...
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