Sept. 28, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Four, three, two... | |
| Boom! | ||
| George Lockhart, John Cavanaugh. | ||
| How are you, folks? | ||
| Hello, sir. | ||
| Doing great. | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
| Good to be here. | ||
| So, Saturday night, what are your thoughts? | ||
| Now that we're sitting here, it's Monday morning, the Khabib-McGregor fight went down Saturday night. | ||
| Obviously, hugely disappointed that we didn't get the result on the night. | ||
| I still enjoyed it. | ||
| I thought it was a great fight. | ||
| I'm looking forward to watching it back many times. | ||
| All of Conor's fights, I always pull all the lessons away that I can pass on to the next generation of guys. | ||
| Overall, I really enjoyed the fight and I'm devastated that we didn't get the win. | ||
| How much time did you have to prepare for this fight? | ||
| I mean, he's always in the gym. | ||
| He's always knocking about. | ||
| But I guess it was official about 10 weeks out. | ||
| But even since the Eddie fight, I kind of knew, or at least I thought, his next MMA fight would be Habib. | ||
| It just kind of made sense. | ||
| If it wasn't going to be Diaz, but then as time went on, that seemed less and less likely. | ||
| And Habib obviously was doing great, kept on winning. | ||
| So there was a path that was going to collide. | ||
| Was there anything that was surprising in the fight? | ||
| The right hand in the second round was a cracker. | ||
| It was beautiful overhand right. | ||
| I mean, it's a staple of wrestlers overhand right and close, but he doesn't generally do that. | ||
| He's more jabbing than close, but that was a great shot. | ||
| The style of takedowns, everything was kind of what we expected, and we spent a lot of time in preparing for that. | ||
| I kind of expected Round 1 for sure going to get a takedown. | ||
| The goal of Round 1 was to get out of it, but still having energy. | ||
| We didn't want to put a huge amount of effort into trying to get back up in Round 1. It's seen that happen many times in his other opponents. | ||
| They kind of got back to the stool really tired. | ||
| Round one, make them pay, you know, do our best on the way in, fight as hard as we can, but if we do end up down, which is against defence, figured it would be there. | ||
| Try to stay seated up. | ||
| If we end up on our back, just try to play guard until the bell, except it'll be a 10-9 round. | ||
| For round 2, again, same plan. | ||
| Do as much damage as we can, but if we end up on our back, don't put a huge amount of effort into trying to get up. | ||
| He's an absolute master at re-grounding people. | ||
| That turned out to be a 10-8 round. | ||
| He got some good shots there and obviously he landed the great right hand. | ||
| So that was a bit more than we hoped for. | ||
| Round three, things started kind of turning a little bit in our favor, and we did a lot better at keeping it in the middle, defending the takedowns. | ||
| So the plan was to slow him down a little and watch him slow down a little bit in the third, fourth, and fifth? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think at the beginning the consensus was Conor knocks him out in the first or Habib takes over from two on. | ||
| For us to win the third round was probably a bit of a surprise to people. | ||
| But you know the eloquent fight, if you look at that, from round three on he wasn't able to hit any takedowns. | ||
| So I hoped that would be how it would go in round three. | ||
| We could defend the takedowns a lot easier. | ||
| And start landing air shots. | ||
| And that did happen for round three. | ||
| Not as well as we planned, not as well as we hoped. | ||
| And then round four, you know, we hit another great takedown. | ||
| Made a mistake giving up the overhook, exposed our back, and that was all she wrote. | ||
| Yeah, he has such a unique ability to tie both legs up with his legs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's so good at that. | ||
| In round one, I thought Conor did well. | ||
| We had practice for that, to keep our legs bent. | ||
| You see guys straighten their legs, and Conor did do that a couple of times, but he was able to continuously get a leg free, so... | ||
| Not until the last 30 seconds or so of Round 1, he didn't really tie them up and get them flat in his back. | ||
| For the majority of that, he was against defence, used his hands to keep upright, tried to land little shots. | ||
| And George, you dealt with Conor's weight cut. | ||
| You deal with his overall nutrition as well? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Pull that microphone close to you like we talked about. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Right here. | ||
| You can move it up if you want to stay where you were. | ||
| Technology. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| It's a work in progress. | ||
| You worked with him on his weight cut. | ||
| What was his weight before he started camp? | ||
| It's almost exactly the same way. | ||
| It was when we actually started the cut. | ||
| You know, we wanted to make sure that his weight was a little higher than, you know, obviously with the boxing, with Floyd, you know, speed is everything. | ||
| And we wanted to kind of slowly drop that weight down. | ||
| But with this, we wanted to keep him as big as possible and then, you know, cut all that weight so he can... | ||
| What was his weight? | ||
| He was about 171 when he got back into that cage. | ||
| So what was his weight when you guys started camp? | ||
| About the same thing. | ||
| Same thing? | ||
| Exact same thing, yeah. | ||
| It was all about performance. | ||
| So it's not an extreme weight cut. | ||
| No. | ||
| 15-ish pounds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In terms of cutting, it was an easy day. | ||
| What's the most you've ever had someone cut? | ||
| So, you know, on record with Drew Dober, he showed up at 185 on Tuesday and had to make 155 by Friday. | ||
| So it was 19% of his body weight that we had it, yeah. | ||
| That's the biggest one. | ||
| Biggest one on record. | ||
| He's a big fella. | ||
| I've always looked at Drew Dober and go, how the fuck does that guy make 155? | ||
| Right? | ||
| No. | ||
| Every time I see him, I'm like, you know, you make me work for my money. | ||
| Well, it seems like it's probably not the healthiest thing in the world for him to do either. | ||
| No, I mean, I'll never be like, you know, weight cutting is the healthiest thing in the world. | ||
| But I will say that because of the amount of muscle mass, people look at somebody like him and they're like, wow, he doesn't have a lot to lose. | ||
| And he doesn't have a lot to lose, but he's got a lot to cut. | ||
| Muscle tissue is about 79% water. | ||
| So the more muscle you have, the more water you can cut. | ||
| So if you do it properly, the more muscle you have, the easier it is for that cut. | ||
| And that's why he's able to do that. | ||
| How did you learn how to do this? | ||
| Honestly, man, I could be like, I got this degree and I got this degree, but there's no degree in actual weight cutting. | ||
| I started in the Marine Corps, and I was a heavyweight when I started fighting, and then I ended up as a welterweight. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't do so well as a welterweight. | ||
| Kind of the opposite of Anthony Rumble Johnson. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It didn't work out well for me. | ||
| I was better at cutting the weight than I was actually at fighting. | ||
| Learning through this process, okay, this works like this and this works like this. | ||
| I mean, there's so many studies that are out there. | ||
| You look at the NSEA, you look at PubMed and all these other things. | ||
| You see a study over here and you see a study over here and you're like, okay, we're going to put these two together and actually see in terms of actual weight cutting. | ||
| It's rough because... | ||
| Nobody's ever actually going to do a study with the level of dehydration that these guys are doing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, oh yeah, this is how you rehydrate these people. | ||
| It's never going to happen. | ||
| So, you know, luckily we've, you know, the amount of cuts that we do, we work with over 200 UFC fighters. | ||
| I mean, just in the UFC. I mean, obviously we work with a lot more, like Bellator and stuff like that. | ||
| Being able to see that, okay, this works. | ||
| This doesn't work. | ||
| We need to kind of back us up. | ||
| And when you say you work with, if you work with 200 fighters, how hands-on are you with 200 different fighters? | ||
| It changes, you know, based on how much they need us. | ||
| You know, a lot of the guys, we literally don't show up until the week of the fight. | ||
| You know, someone like Connor, you know, I'm out there six to eight weeks. | ||
| I'm out there monitoring everything. | ||
| And, you know, the people that we are out there for, for eight weeks... | ||
| It makes life a lot easier. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Now, do you have anything to do with his meal planning as well, like during the camp? | ||
| Connor? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Everything that goes into his mouth, I'm monitoring. | ||
| So from the moment you guys start in camp? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| What about outside of camp? | ||
| Does he take instruction from you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Connor, you know, he'd be like, hey, I'm doing this. | ||
| You know, like, in terms of, like, workout, that's a big one for him. | ||
| Like, pre-workout, post-workout, what should I be taking? | ||
| I tell him exactly what he should be taking, and then, you know, he basically stays on a regimen. | ||
| And at the end of the day, man, like, diet, the word diet means food you eat in a habitual way. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| I like guys to actually live life a little bit, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| When you're so regimented, like, okay, I gotta count this carb and I gotta count this. | ||
| It's ridiculous, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| So, you know, the fact that he actually is like, okay, I just need to monitor what I'm taking pre-post-workout makes life easy for me. | ||
| Did you go to school for nutrition? | ||
| In the Marine Corps, I was a combat conditioning specialist. | ||
| I was actually an instructor trainer. | ||
| So, like, when you go, there's a place called the Martial Arts Center of Excellence, right? | ||
| And they actually handpick Marines. | ||
| I've kind of been in certain situations in the military. | ||
| Brian Stan was actually a part of that and then they actually started something called the Combat Conditioning Program and I was actually the guy that they actually I had to teach all that. | ||
| So they sent me everywhere. | ||
| I got to work with the people from the Olympic Training Center. | ||
| I got to work with PI in Florida. | ||
| Just learn from a lot of different people. | ||
| But in terms of, like I always say this, from weight cutting, there's actually not a course. | ||
| If you're a dietician or whatever, that's great. | ||
| That doesn't help you in terms of weight cutting. | ||
| You go to somebody who's like, hey man, I'm going to lose 30 pounds in three days. | ||
| What do I do? | ||
| It's a very specific kind of discipline. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So it's something that you kind of have to learn along the way and no one's going to teach you in a school. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| But you do have some sort of background in nutrition? | ||
| 100%, yes. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Do you vary your diets based on the way guys train? | ||
| Or is it pretty standard? | ||
| Or does it vary depending on how much weight they have to lose? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Every diet is different. | ||
| People themselves never get the same diet twice. | ||
| The same person. | ||
| So if you wake up at 6 o'clock in the morning versus 8 o'clock in the morning, you have to have a totally different diet. | ||
| We feed people from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed. | ||
| So what would be the deal? | ||
| Say if someone likes to get up at 6 o'clock in the morning versus someone likes to get it up at 8. Right. | ||
| Would it be in what time they have to train? | ||
| Would that be the variable? | ||
| That's one variable. | ||
| We base everything off type, timing, portion size, or homeowner responses of foods. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Most diets nowadays, they actually, you know, they kind of stick to one aspect, like Atkins diet, you know, it sticks to types of foods, you know, like zone diet is portion size. | ||
| We actually stick to all of them, you know, like type, timing, portion size, hormone response food, because, you know, If you look at all diets, they all work. | ||
| All diets will work. | ||
| If you're consistent to every single diet, if you do the same thing every single day, you're going to see results. | ||
| But are you going to get to a specific weight? | ||
| And is your performance going to be increased over a fight camp? | ||
| That's when nutrition becomes... | ||
| Extremely valuable. | ||
| What would be the difference between someone getting up at 6 and someone getting up at 8? | ||
| Time to eat. | ||
| So if somebody wakes up at 6, they're going to eat at 6 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| Somebody gets up at 8, they're going to eat at 8 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| So you have them eat as soon as they wake up? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| You feed somebody to the moment they woke up to the moment they go to bed. | ||
| Like what would be a typical breakfast meal? | ||
| We live off the basic rule. | ||
| You give people what they need when they need it. | ||
| So if you're aerobic, your body's primary source of fuel is going to be more fats. | ||
| Your brain's primary source of fuel is going to be carbohydrates or glucose. | ||
| So we give them a lot of fruits. | ||
| The glucose feeds the brain. | ||
| A lot of fats. | ||
| We make sure that we get a good measurement of omega-3s to omega-6s. | ||
| Basically, about a two-to-one ratio. | ||
| So, throughout the day, you know, if they're aerobic throughout the day, we give them, you know, fruits, vegetables, omega-6, omega-3s, and then once they start working out, then, you know, depending on the workout, then we start giving them, like, more starches and stuff like that. | ||
| So, basically, just sort of a light breakfast of fruits and things along those lines to get everything moving. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And then after your first workout, like, what's a typical post-workout meal? | ||
| It depends on the actual workout. | ||
| We've got the metabolic equivalent, right? | ||
| So basically the MET is the amount of oxygen your body uses and that's going to determine basically the amount of calories that your body is... | ||
| So let's say a strength and conditioning workout, what if they're going to do weights and sprints and things along those lines? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what we'll do is... | ||
| Everything is actually like a formula. | ||
| Everything is broken down mathematically. | ||
| So we'll take their MET and we'll go on a scale of 1 to 10. And we multiply that by the actual amount of weight that that individual has, like a kilogram. | ||
| So we'll say their intensity is a 10. Let's say they have a hard workout. | ||
| Intensity of 10, we multiply that by the amount of kilograms that that individual has. | ||
| I believe, and then look at the formula. | ||
| Basically divide that by 200 and multiply that by the duration of the actual workout. | ||
| And that will give us the amount of actual calories that that individual is actually using for that workout. | ||
| So every workout is going to be different. | ||
| So if you're doing like... | ||
| What's the word I'm looking for? | ||
| Like training in terms of like guard passing and stuff like that. | ||
| It's going to be a lot different than if you're sparring, right? | ||
| So a lot of people, they actually feed themselves the same way if they're doing form versus actually training, like sparring. | ||
| They do the same thing. | ||
| I'm going to take two scoops of protein. | ||
| I'm going to take this, this, and this. | ||
| You have to actually feed the body differently every single workout, right? | ||
| So we'll take that formula. | ||
| We find out, okay, this is the amount of calories that this individual burns during this period of time, and then we actually break it down even more. | ||
| Because if you jog and you burn a thousand calories, right, and if you lift and burn a thousand calories, well, it's the same amount of calories, but you have to refuel the body differently because if you jog, your body's using a lot more fat. | ||
| If you're lifting, your body's using a lot more carbohydrates. | ||
| Again, it goes to giving the body what it needs when it needs it. | ||
| So we'll look at him like, okay, well, if it's a level 10, and then we'll literally, and we have the formulas for it, so a 10 would be 80-20. | ||
| So you find out the amount of calories this individual is burning. | ||
| 80-20 meaning? | ||
| 80% carbohydrates, 20% proteins. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what kind of carbohydrates do you mostly focus on? | ||
| So your body has something called, you know, you have... | ||
| Receptors in the body, right? | ||
| You know, people think that, like, well, you know, if I need carbohydrates, my body's just going to ingest them and it doesn't work like that. | ||
| Your body can process about one gram of carbohydrate per minute, right? | ||
| But if you are able to actually access more... | ||
| Actually... | ||
| Use more than one transporter at a time. | ||
| You can actually go to about 2.3 grams per minute. | ||
| And you have GLUT1, GLUT2, GLUT3, GLUT4, and you got S-GLUT1, S-GLUT2. Each one of these has a different thing that actually activates them, right? | ||
| Like an S-Glut2 is a sodium-dependent transporter, right? | ||
| If you use a sodium-dependent transporter, Glut4 is an insulin-dependent transporter. | ||
| Glut1 is, I believe, I'm sorry, Glut5 is a fructose. | ||
| It's activated by fructose, right? | ||
| So if you use more than one of these transporters at a time, you activate these transporters, you're able to actually synthesize carbohydrates. | ||
| Twice as fast. | ||
| So you're doing different types of carbohydrates and mixing them together? | ||
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| What would be an example of a GLUT1? S-GLUT1 is a sodium-dependent transporter. | ||
| So you've got to make sure that you add sodium, right? | ||
| GLUT4 is the insulin-dependent transporter. | ||
| What's going to help insulin be transporter? | ||
| You need something that's high glycemic. | ||
| So something that's dextrose, right? | ||
| But what is like a food that's a GLUT1? Well, salt. | ||
| Break it down. | ||
| Salt. | ||
| And then GLUT5 would be fructose, which would be fruit, right? | ||
| So I'll break down fruit for them. | ||
| And then dextrose is basically like any type of sugar that you have, you know what I mean? | ||
| Basically, we incorporate sugar, fructose, and salt. | ||
| You put those together. | ||
| Now, the funny thing is, when you incorporate caffeine, it's been shown that caffeine post-workout, you'll see four times the amount of glycogen in the muscle post-workout if you take the caffeine. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you take it in the form of caffeine pills, or do you take coffee? | ||
| I'll incorporate it with. | ||
| Like the post-workout, you know, like... | ||
| Like a coffee shake? | ||
| Yeah, it's an anhydrous, like a stronger type. | ||
| Sometimes I'll see, like, okay, if he's obviously going to bed later, it'll be more of a green tea type caffeine. | ||
| But, yeah, I mean, the funny thing is, like, it's shown that caffeine post-workout, four times the amount of carbohydrates are in the muscle, right? | ||
| And I have yet to find out why. | ||
| I talked to Andy Galpin. | ||
| Dude, I love that guy. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| I'm like, bro, I want to get you in the room for like an hour and just talk to you. | ||
| But I asked him, and he's like, honestly, I don't know either. | ||
| And I was like, shit! | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But, you know, The thing is, I don't know why, but the one thing I do know, yes, 100%. | ||
| Caffeine post-workout, everybody's all about caffeine pre-workout. | ||
| Caffeine post-workout is extremely important. | ||
| And with our sport, it's so important because you got guys that are working out two, three times a day. | ||
| They need to be rehydrated, they need their glycogen storage, they need to be up. | ||
| So did you essentially learn how to weight cut by cutting weight yourself? | ||
| I learned every way not to weight cut by myself. | ||
| And then rehydrating the same way? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The rehydration, I did through lots of studying. | ||
| Lots of studying. | ||
| When I look back at what I did for rehydration, I shake my head. | ||
| I'm like, holy crap. | ||
| Well, it's a relatively recent thing, right? | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| With wrestling, wrestlers didn't do such a good job of rehydrating. | ||
| They were basically competing the day of the weight cut. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You sound like it's past tense. | ||
| They still do that. | ||
| They're trying to be a little bit better about that with the way they allow people with hydration tests and colleges. | ||
| It's still rough. | ||
| But at least with them, there's no head trauma. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's the big thing about MMA is rehydrating with head trauma. | ||
| How much more difficult is your job now with USADA in place where they can't use IVs? | ||
| I love not having the IV, man. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Swear to God, yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| If you look at every study out there, the oral rehydration is actually better for the body. | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| Nowadays, everybody's like, oh, organic, earth-grown nutrients, you've got to have this, you've got to have this. | ||
| And then when it comes to cutting weight, it's like, Now let's jam a needle into their freaking body and let's shove 9,000 milligrams of sodium chloride in their freaking veins. | ||
| And that's got to be good. | ||
| If they were fighting the same day, 100% be like, yeah, you need an IV. But they have over 30 hours to rehydrate. | ||
| The body can do that on its own. | ||
| And it's going to be a lot more natural in terms of absorbing nutrients and giving it what it needs. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| When a lot of these guys cut, I break it down like this is the exact amount of sodium that your body needs. | ||
| A lot of people, they were taking in two bags of IVs, right? | ||
| One bag is 9,000 milligrams of sodium chloride. | ||
| They would take in two bags, that's 18,000 milligrams of sodium chloride. | ||
| And they wouldn't take in any potassium. | ||
| Your body has got to have a balance of everything. | ||
| Like omega-6. | ||
| You look at fats. | ||
| There's so many studies that say, oh, omega-6 is bad. | ||
| It causes all this inflammation. | ||
| Yeah, omega-6 does cause inflammation. | ||
| But your body needs it. | ||
| Your hair needs it. | ||
| Your organs need it. | ||
| But it needs a good amount of omega-3 to kind of clear that out. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Sodium needs potassium. | ||
| When you look at a muscle pump, you're like... | ||
| Sodium goes into a muscle, potassium comes out. | ||
| Well, how does potassium get back in? | ||
| Well, it needs magnesium. | ||
| Magnesium. | ||
| If you don't have magnesium, you have to have this balance. | ||
| And it's funny because these guys, you know, back in the day, they would take an IV, and then what'd they have? | ||
| They'd have soup, and they're like, ah, and they'd take more salt. | ||
| They would never basically look at the amount of potassium. | ||
| Now these guys are like, hey, George, what do I take? | ||
| And I'm like, okay, eat this, eat this, eat this, and I think it's a lot healthier for them. | ||
| So they're getting more sophisticated with it. | ||
| Johnny Hendricks recently said that one of the reasons why he retired is because of USADA and they wouldn't let him use the IVs anymore. | ||
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| He said it made a big difference with him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are in this job, Joe, that they have no business being in this job, doing what I do. | ||
| Like, I mean, I just got on the streets. | ||
| I've talked to them. | ||
| How many people like you are that are out there? | ||
| I know there's Dolce. | ||
| Yeah, and there's nutrition and I think perfecting athletes, things like that. | ||
| I've talked to a couple people. | ||
| At the end of the day, man, honestly, I always tell people, I'm like, you know what game is, baby? | ||
| And she's like, what? | ||
| I'm like, it's your ability to pretend like you give a fuck, right? | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| And I'm like, you know what real game is? | ||
| Is actually giving a fuck. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, there's a lot of people that they're like, oh, I want to help you out. | ||
| I don't want to help you out. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| And people are actually like, oh, cool. | ||
| But then they realize, and that's why they work with us, because we actually give a fuck. | ||
| Like, we care, you know? | ||
| And you sit there, and it's like... | ||
| We taught, you know, like, we were working with... | ||
| Gray Jackson. | ||
| It was Johnny Bones. | ||
| It was a fight or whatever. | ||
| I'm like, hey guys, obviously we work with DC and DC's got exclusivity with us. | ||
| I'm like, how's he doing with the rehydration? | ||
| He's like, oh, he's using your rehydration. | ||
| I'm like, dude, the rehydration I gave you guys was before the IV ban. | ||
| It's not the same. | ||
| You think you talk to his nutritionist? | ||
| So I went to talk to him, and I was like, what's the osmolality of the water that you're giving him? | ||
| He looked at me like I had a dick growing on my forehead. | ||
| He was like, what the fuck? | ||
| And I'm like, how much fucking salt are you giving him? | ||
| He's like, what? | ||
| I'm not giving him salt. | ||
| I haven't given him salt this entire fucking training camp. | ||
| Why would I give him salt? | ||
| I wasn't going to sit down and give him a whole lecture on nutrition, but how the fucking body works or anything like that. | ||
| I went to Johnny Bones and I said, bro, fucking start eating fucking salt. | ||
| Your life depends on it, brother. | ||
| Basically, the muscle contraction that you have... | ||
| A lot of it depends on the amount of sodium that your body has. | ||
| You know, the amount of glycogen absorption, muscle contraction, neurons in the body, it's all dependent on fucking salt. | ||
| And when you got guys that are like, wow, you know, fucking no salt. | ||
| I think a lot of guys are in this game because they want their name on the fucking highlights and shit like that. | ||
| You'll see me like... | ||
| Well, it's real bizarre that this is such a gigantic sport. | ||
| I mean, it is an enormous sport. | ||
| But in terms of even the way people train... | ||
| I mean, there's not a consensus on what's the correct way to do it. | ||
| And then when it comes to nutrition, there's not a consensus. | ||
| And then there's the rehydration and dehydration factor that doesn't exist in any other sport other than boxing. | ||
| And I think it's more extreme in MMA than it is even in boxing, for the most part, right? | ||
| It's such a crazy thing that you've got these super high-level athletes that are dealing with gym bros I mean, there's a lot of, like, real high-level athletes, and I've talked to their trainers, and I'm like, what did you just say? | ||
| Like, you're a gym bro. | ||
| How'd you get with this guy? | ||
| This guy's a fucking world-class fighter, and he's got some schmo from fucking Gold's Gym. | ||
| No offense, Gold's Gym, but you know what I mean. | ||
| Some fucking guy's got a tub of shit with him, and he's like, gotta take three of these and four of those, because I read about it in Weider. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They don't really have a strict protocol. | ||
| And it's not really based on science and blood work and real science. | ||
| No, 100%. | ||
| It's sad because the sport is, at the end of the day, like, well, that guy's jacked. | ||
| You're the strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| You're like, he's fucking big as fuck. | ||
| You're like, yeah, you're strength and conditioning. | ||
| And you're like, oh, you know a couple people? | ||
| You're now my agent. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| In terms of NFL, we work with a lot of different people. | ||
| Demi Lovato and shit like that. | ||
| It's a different world. | ||
| Close to your face. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Everybody does it. | ||
| I'm sorry, brother. | ||
| It's all right. | ||
| And I know my voice. | ||
| There are people like, good. | ||
| You're going to have subtitles on this time? | ||
| It's a great voice. | ||
| It's traveling. | ||
| It seems like you've lived a lot. | ||
| It's not the years, it's the mileage. | ||
| I remember when Anderson Silva got popped and then people started circulating photos of Anderson's trainer. | ||
| He's 70 years old, built like a brick shithouse. | ||
| I mean, he's got veins coming out of his fucking muscles that are just like garden hoses. | ||
| Have you ever seen him? | ||
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No. | |
| It's hilarious. | ||
| When we found out that Anderson got popped for steroids, then they saw a picture of his trainer. | ||
| I'm like, well, I wonder where he got them from. | ||
| You got a photo of the guy? | ||
| There's a picture of him taking a selfie at the gym. | ||
| No, that's not the guy. | ||
| The strength and conditioning guy. | ||
| He's a darker gentleman. | ||
| And he's built like a brick shithouse. | ||
| He looks more like a bodybuilder than he does a strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| You got it? | ||
| Yeah, here he is. | ||
| The guy with the white shirt on. | ||
| Yeah, that's him, but that's not the photo I want. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| And he's in his 60s. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, so you see that. | ||
| That's what I look like without my shirt, Joe. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
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There's a little something going on there. | |
| A few south of the border supplements. | ||
| But the point is that even the best of the best, world-class fighters, they don't necessarily have a background in nutrition or kinesiology or exercise physiology. | ||
| They don't necessarily know exactly the right way to approach things. | ||
| I mean, shit, for years, fighters wouldn't even drink water in between rounds. | ||
| They thought water made you cramp. | ||
| There's a lot of crazy shit involved in this sport still to this day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't know what you don't know. | ||
| I tell you, our goal is by the end of next year, we're going to work with every single fighter in the UFC. We have over 200 fighters in the UFC right now. | ||
| Every single one? | ||
| So you're going to push everybody else out? | ||
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Fuck off. | |
| Fuck everybody. | ||
| Fuck everybody. | ||
| 100%, man. | ||
| What are they doing wrong? | ||
| Everything. | ||
| What are the other guys doing wrong? | ||
| Everything. | ||
| They don't know what the fuck they're doing, y'all. | ||
| Like, 100%. | ||
| They have no fucking clue what the fuck they're doing. | ||
| All of them? | ||
| All of them. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I have people fucking drinking. | ||
| They're like, oh, they're drinking salt water during the week of the fight. | ||
| And I hear guys from ATT like, hey, George, why the fuck would they do that? | ||
| I'm like, Because that's asinine. | ||
| I have people fucking be like, oh, we don't want to cut carbs out because it takes a specific amount of time to rehydrate carbs. | ||
| They're thinking it takes like four fucking days. | ||
| But when you actually do it properly, This is all scientific shit. | ||
| Like, it literally takes 24 hours to rehydrate somebody's fucking glycogen storage. | ||
| If you fucking take their water, right? | ||
| So every gram of glycogen holds on to three grams of water, right? | ||
| And we can literally find out, based on the amount of muscle tissue that an individual holds, exactly how much glycogen their body holds and how much water that is attached to that glycogen. | ||
| Do you work with Yoel Romero? | ||
| We did, yes. | ||
| That dude, I look at that guy and I go, how the fuck is that 185 pound man? | ||
| You want to hear some stats with us, man? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So people are like, I don't have 100% You know, like, rate, Joe. | ||
| Of making weight? | ||
| I take pride in that shit. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because I've taken motherfuckers that I know they're not going to make weight. | ||
| I know that bitch ain't going to make weight. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| But, dude, I'm like, hey, man, I want to either A, be there to be like, bitches, he's not going to make it, and I cut that shit. | ||
| I cut it. | ||
| I've got coaches that are like, he's being a pussy. | ||
| I'm like, dude. | ||
| He's going to die. | ||
| He literally has fucking cut.2 goddamn pounds in the last 30 minutes. | ||
| He's got 10 pounds to go. | ||
| He ain't going to make it. | ||
| His kidneys are going to be... | ||
| Oh, he's being a pussy. | ||
| Fuck you guys, man. | ||
| I cut it off. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| With Yoel... | ||
| It's between us, right? | ||
| Yeah, no one's listening. | ||
| So, in Australia, he showed up at 198, and he missed by two and a half pounds, right? | ||
| With us, he showed up 217 pounds, and he missed by 0.2. | ||
| And the only reason that he fucking missed by that 0.2 is because of the fucking athletic commission. | ||
| Yeah, the commission in New York put him off. | ||
| They fucking came in there, like, I was like, hey, bro, I'm like, cool down, you know, take your time. | ||
| I gave them 45 minutes to, like, fucking just chill. | ||
| We put them in the bath, the commissioner came in there and were like, how you feeling? | ||
| He said, I feel good to go. | ||
| And they were like, you know, the guy, he literally said, he said... | ||
| You know, unfortunately, that's what all heroes say. | ||
| But unfortunately, all heroes are dead. | ||
| And I'm like, first off, that's the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard in my life. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of fucking heroes that are still fucking goddamn alive. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| He wants a quote? | ||
| Soundbite guy? | ||
| And I'm sitting there like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're like, he needs to be downstairs. | ||
| We're like, whoa, he has a whole hour. | ||
| And they're like, no, no, he needs to be downstairs. | ||
| Anyway, he got down there. | ||
| He was still sweating on the fucking scale, Joe. | ||
| And it was only 0.2. | ||
| 0.2. | ||
| That ain't shit. | ||
| But here's my thing. | ||
| He showed up 217. And we got him.2 over. | ||
| To 185. Yeah, I weigh 197 and I stand next to him and I'm like, how in the fuck is that a 185 pound man? | ||
| He is a straight up silverback. | ||
| That dude is so jacked. | ||
| You want to talk about genetics. | ||
| I mean, what kind of fucking genetics does that dude have? | ||
| First night, we fucking were doing the cull with him. | ||
| He never did a bath. | ||
| I know he never did a bath because he went in backwards. | ||
| Like, literally, like, we're like, yo, head goes over here, bro. | ||
| Like, he'd never been in a bath. | ||
| He got out. | ||
| He fucking lost a lot more weight than he expected, and he fucking butt-ass naked, man. | ||
| Fucking comes into us. | ||
| I'm like, oh, shit. | ||
| Want to hug you? | ||
| Oh, bro. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Not hugging me, like shaking me and shit. | ||
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Oh, Jesus. | |
| I'm losing my man card tonight, but you know what? | ||
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Fucking, I'm not going to fucking, you know. | |
| He's a big fucking dude, so, yeah. | ||
| I bet he is, if you know what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like the freakiest of all the freak athletes. | ||
| Of all the dudes where you look at them and you go... | ||
| What are the odds that someone turns out like that? | ||
| You know, of all the guys who, like, a regular-looking guy is like an Evan Dunham. | ||
| Regular-looking guy. | ||
| And then you got a Yoel Romero. | ||
| Like, the world's not fair. | ||
| It's just not fucking fair, man. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| And that's him on weight, right? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| What date is that? | ||
| Redemption. | ||
| Okay, yeah, so that is him back in the day when you had to cut actual weight for the weigh-ins. | ||
| That's before the, like, if you look at him with the new ones, where he gets to rehydrate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's such a freak, man. | ||
| Fucking hell. | ||
| And the fact that he's in his 40s, like, what in the fuck? | ||
| And they test that shit out of that dude. | ||
| That doesn't even make sense. | ||
| Like, 1 plus 1 is 18? | ||
| Test him again! | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| How come you don't work with him anymore? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Oh, you still do? | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| We were working with Robert Whittaker and they decided to not use us the last week. | ||
| Not use you the last week? | ||
| Bro, there's a lot of shit. | ||
| You know how this game goes. | ||
| Yeah, I do know how this game goes. | ||
| This is one of the more disappointing aspects of this game is that I feel like fighting in particular is so dangerous, it's so personal, it's so... | ||
| There's so much involved that I feel like loyalty should be at a premium, and it should be one of the most emphasized things. | ||
| As long as you have a good team, your team is critical. | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| For the emotional stability of the fighter, but also for not feeling like you're a piece of shit. | ||
| And I think there's something to that. | ||
| These guys that just dump their trainers and dump their coaches and then hop from camp to camp and don't get a better result from it. | ||
| I think there's part of them that realizes like, hey man, this guy brought you to the dance. | ||
| And you abandoned them somewhere along the way because you saw greener grass on the other side of the fence and it didn't turn out to be greener. | ||
| And you don't feel like a champion. | ||
| You feel like kind of a weasel. | ||
| And there's a lot of guys like that. | ||
| But then there's guys... | ||
| Who are they in a situation like T.J. Dillshaw, right? | ||
| Where he was in a situation where he was like, this doesn't seem right. | ||
| I don't like the way this camp is going. | ||
| And then Dwayne Ludwig comes along and he's like, I am fucking learning and growing with this guy. | ||
| And he's like, look, I gotta go, guys. | ||
| I'll still train with you. | ||
| I love you, but I gotta think about my future. | ||
| And then they're like, you fucking weasel, you left us. | ||
| But look, he's right. | ||
| You look at the results, clearly he was right. | ||
| I mean, TJ right now, he defended his title, beat Cody twice, one of the best in the world. | ||
| You look at his improvement, his overall growth, and his improvement inside the octagon, like, he was right. | ||
| It's a weird balance. | ||
| When do you pull the chute? | ||
| When do you bail? | ||
| When do you get out of there? | ||
| The first person I ever worked with was Brian Stan. | ||
| Me and him were in the Marine Corps together. | ||
| It's the only reason I'm actually doing what I'm doing today. | ||
| Is it because of Brian? | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
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Ah, he's a shithead. | |
| I love him to death, man. | ||
| He's just all around amazing. | ||
| I want him to run for president. | ||
| Bro, 100%. | ||
| You know, motherfuckers are like, you know, I use this analogy. | ||
| I'm like, oh, you know, people are like, oh, this guy's a good guy. | ||
| He's never, you know, cheated on his wife. | ||
| He's never done this, done that. | ||
| I'm like, dude, look at the motherfucker. | ||
| He doesn't have options. | ||
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You know what I'm saying? | |
| Like, look at him. | ||
| Brian, that motherfucker's got options. | ||
| I'm like, you're so goddamn good. | ||
| He would get a text from a female and they'd be like, hey, I just did a photo shoot, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| He'd be like, my wife would not appreciate you. | ||
| You don't text me in this form or fashion. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| I hate hanging out with you, bro. | ||
| You make me feel like a horrible person just and everything. | ||
| He's always on, you know what I mean? | ||
| He's just a good motherfucker. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's a great motherfucking guy, you know what I mean? | ||
| But at the end of the day, man, you're built like a goddamn T-Rex. | ||
| Big head, fucking short arms, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| And at WC, he fucking won the world title, got to UFC. I wasn't working out for him. | ||
| I'm like, you need to go to 185. He's like, you know, you helped me out to cut? | ||
| Fuck yeah, dude. | ||
| And that's what I was doing in the Marine Corps. | ||
| I was helping guys get down to a weight, and they had to actually perform. | ||
| That's my job in the Marine Corps. | ||
| So your job in the Marine Corps was helping guys get down to a weight so that their performance would be better in combat? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You have weight standards and then you have performance standards in the Marine Corps. | ||
| So how would you dial that in? | ||
| Based on body fat? | ||
| Based on just how much mass they're carrying around? | ||
| There's a lot to it, but it depends on... | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Okay, just to build this individual. | ||
| This is their activity level. | ||
| This is what time they wake up. | ||
| This is what time they go to sleep. | ||
| This is what their MOS, which for us, that's military operational skill. | ||
| If you have somebody that's a recon marine, they're going to have a lot... | ||
| We have different caloric needs than somebody that's a fucking admin, you know what I mean? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So, you know, we give the body what it needs, you know, when it needs it, you know, and it's funny because we never have a base diet, you know, like if somebody is basically, they don't have an anaerobic Workout throughout the day. | ||
| A ketogenic diet is perfect for them. | ||
| They don't need those carbs. | ||
| You actually need a ketogenic diet because you give the body what it needs when it needs it. | ||
| When you're aerobic, your body's primary source of fuel is fat. | ||
| Your body's primary source of fuel is going to be that fat, so what do we do? | ||
| We feed it the fucking fat. | ||
| If you're anaerobic and you're training throughout the day, then we actually incorporate a lot more carbohydrates. | ||
| Right, for someone who's lifting weights, doing explosive shit. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| Nutrition is a lot like religion. | ||
| If you fucking don't agree with somebody, a lot of motherfuckers are like, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. | ||
| I've noticed that. | ||
| It's very bizarre. | ||
| I've had some conversations on the podcast recently about that. | ||
| The most civil one was between Lane Bryant and Dominic D'Agostino where they were talking about ketogenic diets versus carbohydrate diets and BioLane. | ||
| Do you know Lane? | ||
| Lane Norton? | ||
| Yeah, I did see that. | ||
| Super smart guy. | ||
| George, you're going on that podcast? | ||
| You better fucking watch this. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| Super smart guy, but more emphasizes carbohydrates, whereas Dom D'Agostino, they're both scientists, like legit scientists. | ||
| He emphasizes ketogenic diet. | ||
| It's a very interesting conversation because Lane really never was on a ketogenic diet for a long period of time, whereas Dom emphasizes that when you get fat adapted over longer periods of time, four to six months, Your body, there's some legitimate benefits with cognitive function and even performance benefits as time goes on. | ||
| But certainly, in terms of your energy level, your ability to perform without... | ||
| Systemic, no matter what. | ||
| Systemic also? | ||
| Yeah, so at the end of the day, guess something like Connor. | ||
| If I put him on a ketogenic diet, he'd be fucked. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He needs power, he needs output, quick, fast, in a hurry. | ||
| Your muscles use that glycogen... | ||
| From that part of the muscle, whatever they're using, right there and then. | ||
| Whereas... | ||
| Because he's explosive? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's where I think people have a problem. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| I will say Voltaire, he says, you know the true knowledge of the individual, not by the... | ||
| By the questions they ask. | ||
| A lot of people are like, hey Lockhart, is peanut butter good for me? | ||
| I'm like, well, it depends. | ||
| I can't talk to you. | ||
| That's what you got to say to them. | ||
| It's when. | ||
| This road is too long. | ||
| I don't have time to travel. | ||
| When is it good for you? | ||
| That's the wrong question. | ||
| When is it good for you? | ||
| You're like, what are you doing? | ||
| What is your activity level? | ||
| And what kind of peanut butter? | ||
| Is it that shit that's piled up with sugar or real peanut butter? | ||
| Motherfuckers, dude, I tell you this. | ||
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People are like, well, I eat healthy. | |
| I'm like, what the fuck is healthy? | ||
| You're putting oil in your gas tank and putting gas in your oil pan. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Everything that you do, you know, respiratory quotient, you break down your body. | ||
| Your body's using fuel in a different ratio based on the activity that you have. | ||
| And it's like, well, if you're giving your body carbohydrates, but your body's using fats, why the fuck is that healthy? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's so simple. | ||
| People follow this program, bro, and they're like, holy shit, I'm never hungry, I have energy, this, because you're giving the body what it needs, what it needs. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| All the time, bro. | ||
| Now, do you limit any foods? | ||
| Do you allow people to eat pasta or bread? | ||
| Do you cut anything out of the diet? | ||
| Honestly, they can have whatever they want at the right fucking time. | ||
| If you look at the metabolic equivalent, for somebody like yourself, let's say you go on and you fucking bust a fucking workout out, you can burn 800 calories. | ||
| You know you can burn 800 calories in a workout, no problem, right? | ||
| So if you're burning 800 calories and you're anaerobic and your body's primary source of fuel is going to be carbohydrates, let's just take all the formulas and all the math out of it for a sec, but let's say 800 calories. | ||
| There's four calories for every one gram of carbohydrates. | ||
| For you to fucking replenish what you need, you'd need 200 grams of carbohydrates just to replenish what you just did for a workout. | ||
| How many motherfuckers do you know take 200 grams of carbohydrates post-workout? | ||
| None. | ||
| None! | ||
| None! | ||
| Very few. | ||
| But at the end of the week, you're like, God, I'm feeling tired. | ||
| I don't know why I'm so tired. | ||
| So what kind of carbohydrates would you... | ||
| Say if someone wanted to do something like a CrossFit workout or something like that. | ||
| A lot of kettlebells, chin-ups... | ||
| Box jumps, shit like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What kind of carbohydrates do you have them refuel with post-workout? | ||
| Fructose, dextrose, caffeine, and salt. | ||
| All those? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Because that's going to activate all the transporters. | ||
| You think of salt as a carbohydrate? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Then you just add it to it? | ||
| Yeah, because in terms of transporters, that is one that activates. | ||
| The S-Glute one is a sodium-dependent transporter. | ||
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| Now how much salt would you add? | ||
| Depends on how much weight they lose. | ||
| So say if I did a hard workout I lose 7 pounds. | ||
| What if I beat the shit out of the bag, fucking run around the block, do hill sprints and come back 5 pounds lighter or whatever, just give me a number. | ||
| Okay, so basically with sweat, I'm negating a lot of fucking other math, but every pound is basically 500 milligrams of sodium. | ||
| Every pound that you lose for salt, you lose about 500 milligrams of sodium. | ||
| So if you lost seven pounds, you would need basically 3,500 milligrams of sodium to fucking replenish what the fuck you did. | ||
| That seems like a lot. | ||
| Yeah, that's negating a lot of other fucking things, I'm telling you. | ||
| But... | ||
| A lot of things, like, people are like, that's a lot. | ||
| But a lot of science that you look at is from fucking average Joe. | ||
| How many average Joes are going to lose seven goddamn pounds in a fucking workout? | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Right? | ||
| They're like, I lost half a pound. | ||
| I was on the elliptical machine for 15 minutes. | ||
| All right, so take 250 milligrams of fucking sodium and you're good to go. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So how do you have them take the sodium in what form? | ||
| It's all going to be like, I actually want them to take carbohydrates during and post-workout. | ||
| During? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in one form, fruit? | ||
| Fruit, yeah. | ||
| So it's going to be blended fruit and the dextrose is going to be a specific type of sugar. | ||
| They drink it and what happens is when you increase insulin, that actually decreases cortisol. | ||
| Cortisol is not a fucking bad thing, man. | ||
| It's a glucocorticoid that actually helps get rid of inflammation. | ||
| The problem is people nowadays are like, oh, it's a fucking stress hormone. | ||
| Your body doesn't create a fucking hormone that's bad for you. | ||
| It's not going to. | ||
| Your body does not create something that is bad for you. | ||
| It's just bad for you at the wrong times and in the wrong doses. | ||
| Excessive. | ||
| Like insulin. | ||
| Is insulin bad for you? | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Ask a diabetic. | ||
| They're like, fuck, I wish I had that shit. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| But when you have it in excessive amounts, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| That's our problem, man. | ||
| We don't know when to take it and how much to take. | ||
| So do you have guys take those glucose gels? | ||
| Like those runners take? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I actually find out what guys like, too. | ||
| At the end of the day, like... | ||
| Consistency on a diet is the most important fucking thing. | ||
| If I get somebody on the zone diet, the paleo diet, the fucking grapefruit diet, there's 75,000 diets on the internet right now today. | ||
| If I fucking have you consistent on one diet, you're gonna fucking see results. | ||
| Consistency. | ||
| And I always tell people, I'm like, I'd rather you be 100% consistent on 10% of my diet than 100% consistent on 10% of the diet. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So, at the end of the day, like, I have guys that have sugar teeth. | ||
| I'm like, fuck me. | ||
| Goddamn, eat some fucking twisters post-workout. | ||
| Your body's going to fucking use it. | ||
| Your body is going to use it. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I've heard that before. | ||
| People that recommend candy post-workout. | ||
| Yeah, is it the best? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| No. | ||
| I know you have Ron DePatrick talk about ATP trapping and shit like that. | ||
| But when you're done working out, your body needs those carbohydrates quick, fast, and in a hurry. | ||
| It's going to activate those transporters. | ||
| And your body's going to use them. | ||
| Is it the best? | ||
| 100% no. | ||
| But it's keeping your sanity and it's consistency. | ||
| If somebody works their ass off and they're like, I know if I work my ass off, I get some fucking Twizzlers. | ||
| You're going to see a lot better results. | ||
| So what would you recommend though? | ||
| So if someone doesn't have a sweet tooth, but they say, hey, what should I use to replenish my glycogen? | ||
| Lockhart and Lee's supplement line. | ||
| No, honestly, like a fructose. | ||
| Fructose is from fruits, right? | ||
| Break down fruits, right? | ||
| Sugars, like a dextrose, it's a basic sugar. | ||
| It's a monosaccharide. | ||
| So you can find that in just about any kind of fucking sugar, like canned sugar. | ||
| What do you think about chocolate milk? | ||
| I know a lot of guys were doing that. | ||
| Fucking stupidest thing in the world. | ||
| That was a big thing for a while, right? | ||
| Bro, dude, this is the thing about studies and shit like that. | ||
| I mean, like, it was like, this is the best thing for fucking post-workout, right? | ||
| Same fucking... | ||
| That was from the NSCA. Then the NSCA came out with another fucking study. | ||
| It was like, well, you know, like, 89% of fucking Latino population is lactose intolerant. | ||
| 93% of the African-American population is lactose intolerant. | ||
| And fucking... | ||
| It was like 90% of the fucking Asian-American population is lactose intolerant. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| You guys literally just did a goddamn study and you're showing that most of the goddamn population is lactose and tyrant, but you're saying that the milk is the best goddamn thing to fucking give? | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| It's asinine. | ||
| You know, like, casein protein, like, again, it's easy. | ||
| If somebody's like, if you take, you know, chocolate milk post-workout, but like, Joe, what are you using when you work out? | ||
| What is your body using when you work out? | ||
| Is it using carbs or is it using protein? | ||
| If your body's using protein as a source of fuel, you're fucking doing something fucked up, man. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like literally, your body goes through gluconeogenesis, it'll turn protein into fucking carbohydrates, but that ain't the way it's supposed to fucking be. | ||
| Right, so you would never recommend someone doing that carnivore diet? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| See, I'm a never-never guy. | ||
| I'm never gonna say never. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Because depending on your lifestyle, if you're sedentary and you don't do anything that's anaerobic, I would promote the ketogenic diet for somebody. | ||
| Yeah, it's not even a ketogenic diet. | ||
| That's the thing about that carnivore diet. | ||
| Rhonda Patrick went over it pretty much in detail and she thinks what's going on for the most part where people are seeing results is basically calorie restriction. | ||
| Because you're just not eating that many calories. | ||
| You're eating only steak. | ||
| In terms of like how much you're using throughout the day. | ||
| And a lot of these people are eating like one, two meals a day and they're losing massive amounts of weight. | ||
| They're down to the weight they were when they were 21 and they feel fantastic. | ||
| All the gut problems go away. | ||
| All the different issues they have with autoimmune diseases go away. | ||
| And she's like, this is all mimicked by calorie restriction diets. | ||
| She's like, this is most likely what you're experiencing. | ||
| And there's a bunch of other nutrition experts that are sort of examining that because it's become quite a movement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People are like calories in, calories out. | ||
| 40% of calories from protein are actually used in the breakdown of protein. | ||
| So if I eat 100 calories of protein, 40 of them are used to actually break down the protein. | ||
| And then there's a thermogenic effect to actually heat the body. | ||
| Like you eat a lot of fucking meat, you notice your body's hot as fuck. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the things they actually recommend you do. | ||
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Yeah, right? | |
| It's one of the things they actually recommend if you're cold, like if you get drenched, to re-warm. | ||
| There's these things that they do, re-warming drills in the military, and they recommend you eating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And eating is a big part of trying to heat up because your body starts generating heat to try to break down the food that you're taking in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's so much that we look at. | ||
| 10% of your metabolism actually comes from breaking down food. | ||
| 10%, that's a fuck ton of calories, man. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| When we actually come to rehydration, in terms of the fighters getting ready for the fight, we actually take a look at that. | ||
| Do you want your body breaking food down while you're fighting and stuff like that? | ||
| Through your enteric nervous system, your body's not going to be like, you know... | ||
| We're going to break this food down. | ||
| No, actually, with your enteric nervous system, if you see a fucking bear, the body's like, hmm, are we going to break down food or are we going to run from the fucking bear? | ||
| The body's like, we're going to fucking run. | ||
| So it sends an epinephrine through the body. | ||
| You stop digesting. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that shit's not stealing your fucking gut. | ||
| But with that being said, in terms of the meat and shit like that, yeah, man, a large percentage of that is actually used to break down foods. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| We talk about glucagon, and I get so many fucking people that are like, that's not how the body works. | ||
| You know, like, I get that's not how the body fucking works. | ||
| When you fucking eat the protein, like, it's not like your body's like, oh, we're gonna shoot glucagon through the fucking system. | ||
| But how many times have you eaten a fucking high-pancake fucking breakfast, and you're like... | ||
| Let's go fucking kick today's ass. | ||
| No, you were like, fuck, let's go back to bed. | ||
| You have a big ass omelet. | ||
| You're like, suck today's dick and let's fucking go kick some ass. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| You have energy. | ||
| Because glucagon is fucking through your system. | ||
| Obviously, it's not the way the body works, but in essence, when you're taking specific things at specific times, you're going to promote the usage of carbohydrates more or less. | ||
| So those pancakes wouldn't be a bad thing after a workout? | ||
| After a workout, 100%. | ||
| Timing is everything. | ||
| Now, we really haven't wrapped that up. | ||
| So fruits, but what other kind of sugars do you recommend a guy take post-workout, hard workout? | ||
| I mean, we work with so many guys. | ||
| They're sponsored by this supplement company, this supplement company. | ||
| But we give them whatever the fuck they want in terms of the dextrose. | ||
| And dextrose is just a monosaccharide. | ||
| It's basically just a simple sugar. | ||
| You're straying away from that fella. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Simple sugar. | ||
| Just bring it to you. | ||
| Bring it to you. | ||
| It moves. | ||
| The arm goes this way. | ||
| It goes that way. | ||
| Joe, me and technology do not, Max. | ||
| Just keep it near you. | ||
| Just keep it near you. | ||
| That's all you do. | ||
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This feels awkward. | |
| You don't have to lean. | ||
| It moves towards you. | ||
| That's what I'm trying to say. | ||
| Grab the arm. | ||
| Breach, grab the arm. | ||
| Pull towards you. | ||
| All right, Joe. | ||
| This is really getting off. | ||
| It goes this way. | ||
| It goes that way. | ||
| It goes back. | ||
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It goes back. | |
| And before a fight, what do you have? | ||
| Say if Connor's going to fight at 9 p.m. | ||
| is the main event. | ||
| When do you have him eat and what do you have him eat? | ||
| So we have to break it down to the amount of meals, right? | ||
| So what we do is we basically find out the amount of muscle tissue that an individual has. | ||
| So he's weighing what on the day of the fight? | ||
| 170-ish? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what we have to do, it's not necessarily your... | ||
| Your weight, but it's your lean muscle tissue. | ||
| So you have your lean body mass, right? | ||
| So let's say you're 200 pounds, right? | ||
| You're 200 pounds and let's say you're 10% body fat. | ||
| That means that you're 180 pounds of lean body mass. | ||
| A lot of people are like, oh, that means I'm 180 pounds of muscle. | ||
| No, that actually means only 40% of that is actual lean muscle tissue. | ||
| Now, each kilogram of lean muscle tissue holds on to 13 grams of glycogen. | ||
| So we have to find out, okay, how much lean muscle tissue do you hold? | ||
| All right? | ||
| How do you find that out? | ||
| Do you do a float? | ||
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It's 40%. | |
| Do you have them submerge in water? | ||
| No. | ||
| Honestly, brother, I have literally, like, we've had the hydrostatic testing. | ||
| We've done the, what the fuck is it? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| That's why you brought me up. | ||
| The DecaScan is the one that they use in the performance system. | ||
| I don't think I'm saying it correctly, but it's something like that. | ||
| That's that machine. | ||
| And they have it in the performance system. | ||
| It's $500,000 piece of gear, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking, they're incorrect. | ||
| They're wrong. | ||
| Is it really? | ||
| 100%, bro. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I literally... | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| There's things that you know scientifically can't happen. | ||
| Your body cannot be anabolic and catabolic at the same fucking time. | ||
| So if you're like, you know, I got so many people like, hey, George, I want to gain muscle and lose fat. | ||
| I'm like, so do I, man. | ||
| I fucking would love that. | ||
| But it's impossible. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| Your body cannot be anabolic and catabolic at the same fucking time, right? | ||
| Well, we went and did that machine last year with fucking Connor, right? | ||
| It showed him. | ||
| And at the end of the day, I'm like... | ||
| That's how good I fucking am. | ||
| But it showed him gaining muscle and losing actual fat. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| I'm like, those are incorrect. | ||
| Well, impossible over a long period of time, you're saying? | ||
| Obviously, some people do gain muscle and they do lose fat. | ||
| Like, say, if someone's on a diet. | ||
| Percentage. | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| If you gain muscle mass, your body fat percentage can go down. | ||
| You can lean out, right? | ||
| So let's say like, oh, it's like, okay, I gained five pounds of muscle and I only gained like a half a pound of fat. | ||
| My body fat percentage is going to go down. | ||
| Because your body weight got heavier. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| But did I lose fat? | ||
| No, I did not lose fat. | ||
| If you look at like, okay, your body has, make sense? | ||
| Yeah, I see. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| So how does one lose body fat? | ||
| Well, you've got to be in a catabolic state. | ||
| You've got to be at a deficit. | ||
| And when you are at a deficit, you're not going to gain muscle. | ||
| In fact, you're going to lose muscle. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| If anybody says otherwise, they're full of shit. | ||
| And they're on an infomercial. | ||
| And if you buy today for $19.99. | ||
| That's the truth, brother. | ||
| So that's just how the body works. | ||
| The body works in that if you're gaining muscle, you might have less percentage of fat, but that is because your body is getting heavier. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| You can lean out. | ||
| Your body fat percentage can go down. | ||
| But if you look at a DEXA scan, it's going to be like, okay, let's say you have 50 pounds of fat. | ||
| It's not going to be like, it shouldn't be like, oh, now you have 40 pounds of fat. | ||
| And more muscle. | ||
| Right, 100%. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| So you calculate how much lean muscle mass he has. | ||
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Tissue. | |
| Lean muscle tissue, excuse me. | ||
| And then you coordinate his meals accordingly? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, so it's like, okay, well, he's going to fight at this time or she's going to fight at this time. | ||
| This is the amount of meals that they're going to have dictated on the amount of, you know, like after rehydration and so on and so forth. | ||
| This amount of carbohydrates that they actually have to have. | ||
| And it's funny because men and women are totally different. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, men... | ||
| Do you still work with Cyborg? | ||
| I don't work with Cyborg. | ||
| That was an extreme wake cut though, right? | ||
| Yeah, we'll go with that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, yeah, she's, yeah. | ||
| It was tough. | ||
| You know, Chris is a, I mean, it's no fucking, you know, she's a big girl. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you know, so. | ||
| What does she walk around at? | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I don't remember, but I think it was like in the 70s. | ||
| And she got all the way down to 140 at one point in time, which didn't make any fucking sense. | ||
| When they were making her do that, I was like, why are you making her do that when you don't even have a goddamn weight class for it? | ||
| I was like, are you making her do that to show that she's close to 135? | ||
| It didn't make any sense. | ||
| There's a 145. You could have her fight at 145. No, no, no. | ||
| 140. Like, what? | ||
| There's no 140 weight class! | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| That was so weird. | ||
| And I would see her, like, the videos of her fucking crying and trying to get her down to that weight. | ||
| I was like, that's insane. | ||
| Yeah, no, it definitely... | ||
| And, you know, like, with every weight cut, man, it's fucking tough. | ||
| You know, like, well, Chris, like, me and her got... | ||
| We got close. | ||
| I think we got a little bit too close. | ||
| That's one thing I learned. | ||
| I have to have a separation. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because when you're like, get the fuck in the bath, you have to have that. | ||
| And with her, I was like, man, we were so close as friends. | ||
| I was like, fuck, dude. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't get hardcore. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| I'm bad. | ||
| With women, too, I'm fucking horrible. | ||
| With dudes, I'm like, stop being a bitch, man. | ||
| With girls, I'm like, aw, man. | ||
| Fuck, dude. | ||
| Are you crying? | ||
| We don't really have to do this, do we? | ||
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| Right, right, yeah. | ||
| Who's the hardest that you've ever had to lose weight? | ||
| Fucking Vic. | ||
| James goddamn Vic. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, that son of a bitch. | ||
| He's six fucking four fighting at 155. He's a big fella. | ||
| Yeah, dude, he's got a goddamn sweet tooth. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| George, George, come on, man. | ||
| Let me have some Oreos. | ||
| Like, after he makes weight, let me have some Oreos. | ||
| We have a little... | ||
| You get two Orioles if you do this. | ||
| What does he walk around at? | ||
| He's in the 90s, man. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| How much do you think that affects his actual performance? | ||
| Do you think that hinders him? | ||
| Am I talking business or I'm talking reality? | ||
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| Yeah, of course, man. | ||
| It does. | ||
| So it's a point of diminishing returns, right? | ||
| You've got to figure out when do you hit that point. | ||
| Because you look at guys like Dustin Poirier, he's done much better at 155. Yeah. | ||
| He looks better. | ||
| I'll never forget, I worked with Dustin when he first got into the UFC and they were like, he needs to be 145 in 21 days. | ||
| I'm like, let's fucking do it, man. | ||
| You know, like, him and fucking, you know, so many motherfuckers, you know what I mean? | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| You know, you look at that Kelvin Gastelum, you know? | ||
| People don't realize, like, the point of a fight camp is not to make weight. | ||
| The point of a fight camp is to increase your skill, increase your ability. | ||
| Like, it should be periodization, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| We're talking about, like, the big beef, you know, big motherfuckers that are like, yeah, you're like, this guy's the strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| He don't know shit about periodization. | ||
| Do you work with Kelvin? | ||
| Yeah, we work together a lot. | ||
| Now, we don't work so much together. | ||
| And that's one of the things, a lot of guys will work with us when they have to make weight. | ||
| There's certain guys like Frankie Edgar. | ||
| Edgar's like, dude, he invests in himself. | ||
| He knows that. | ||
| He shows up almost on weight, but it's all about performance. | ||
| He knows that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Same thing with weight. | ||
| Well, he's a guy who fought at 155 when he really was 155. I can get him to 125 without a problem. | ||
| What? | ||
| 125. Because people were talking about him fighting at 135. You're saying you could get him to fight flyweight. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, if a motherfucker is whooping ass at 145 and 155, when they were talking, and he was a champion at 155, I'm like, why the fuck am I going to try and cut this guy? | ||
| If he's a champion, you know what I mean? | ||
| Because he could be the champ, champ, champ. | ||
| I know, like 125. You think so? | ||
| Bro. | ||
| Have you talked to him about this? | ||
| I fucking love Frankie. | ||
| You pulled him aside? | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| Put the pizza down, Frankie. | ||
| I will never ask him. | ||
| I will never sit down. | ||
| If Frankie was like, George, I want to get to 125, I'm like, thank God, George. | ||
| Thank goodness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But hey, he's never asked me, so I'll never bring it up. | ||
| Do you work with TJ? I have worked with TJ. Me and him are good friends. | ||
| And this is the thing with me, Joe. | ||
| I work with fucking everybody. | ||
| So in terms of politics, I'm a dirty little slut that goes from one room to the next. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You kind of have to be, right? | ||
| Yeah, dirty bastard. | ||
| Fucking horrible. | ||
| Do they allow that more so with you because it's a weight cut thing? | ||
| It's not like you work with TJ and you go, oh, I know TJ's tendencies, and then you work with another guy? | ||
| I'm not training you to beat a specific individual. | ||
| You're training a person to make a specific weight. | ||
| What I tell people is I'm making you the best you that I can be. | ||
| And in terms of business, I'm like, don't you want to beat the best them? | ||
| And they're like, fuck yeah. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So it's okay. | ||
| So that's why they're okay with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That's a rare section of the sport where you can do that. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| But you have to, like... | ||
| And I've had to... | ||
| We have a pretty... | ||
| We have an awesome team. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But that's one thing I have to tell them. | ||
| Because they get so fucking... | ||
| When you're with a fighter for a camp, you get super close, and I'm like, bro, it's fine to get close with him, but it's okay to root for him, but we never get to a point where we root and we talk shit about the other fucking team, because chances are we work with him. | ||
| And we worked with Khabib, you know what I mean, for a long time, you know what I mean? | ||
| Who does he work with now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| And he's had some real struggles. | ||
| Bro, he's had some tough cuts, man. | ||
| He's a tough motherfucker. | ||
| What was he doing wrong? | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| You know, and it's funny because I think that there's like a language barrier and things, but you know, there's also like... | ||
| Let's say you're cutting weight, right? | ||
| And you're looking at like, okay, common sense. | ||
| If I drink water, I'm going to fucking be heavier, right? | ||
| So fuck drinking water. | ||
| What you don't realize is you got your renal, you know, angiotension aldosterone system that's fucking going to be activated if you fucking cut back water early. | ||
| People don't realize that shit, man. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So what they do is... | ||
| Meaning that your body tries to hold on to that water more... | ||
| Everything in your body is created from a stimulus, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like first stimulus is you're hot, right? | ||
| When you're hot, what does your body do? | ||
| It's fucking sweat. | ||
| Then what happens? | ||
| Well, oh shit, like my body's dehydrated. | ||
| Blood pressure starts dropping. | ||
| It starts releasing ADH. It starts releasing, you know, aldosterone, shit like that. | ||
| In fact, you prevent you from sweating, you know, so... | ||
| They don't look at that. | ||
| What they look at is like, I drink water, put the weight on, we're going to start drinking water early. | ||
| How long have you been working with Connor? | ||
| Since Josie Aldo. | ||
| It was the first time I worked with Josie Aldo. | ||
| So it's been quite a long time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how much of a difference has it made, John? | ||
| It's huge because until then I was winging it. | ||
| The weight cutting part of the sport is cloaks and daggers and you're overhearing conversations and you're googling. | ||
| So it was pretty much guesswork on my end. | ||
| I got him to 145 nearly 20 times on my own. | ||
| But when we brought George in... | ||
| And it wasn't even just about making weight. | ||
| What I noticed with him was that every session was productive. | ||
| There was no sessions where he didn't have the pop in his shots or soreness. | ||
| That would just be a normal part. | ||
| Whereas when we brought in George, each session was a lot more effective. | ||
| So it wasn't just about making the weight. | ||
| It was making the training camp where he was improving the whole way through it. | ||
| He got down to 145 a couple times and he looked like a monster. | ||
| He looked like a zombie. | ||
| It was terrifying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that had to play a big part in your decision to no longer have him fight at that weight cross. | ||
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| I mean, we'd already gone up to 155. His final fight before going to the UFC was at 155. And I was kind of like, oh, thank God. | ||
| You know, this is suiting him better. | ||
| Because when he joined, he was sort of a scrawny 16, 17-year-old. | ||
| But then he started becoming a man. | ||
| So... | ||
| Getting down there was getting scarier and scarier. | ||
| And then his last fight, outside UFC, I thought he looked fantastic. | ||
| It was a handy weight cut. | ||
| And he just looked like a tank. | ||
| Now, the offer came in. | ||
| A couple of weeks later, Sean emailed me and said, we're offering you a 145 fight in April. | ||
| And of course, I told Conor, and he's screaming and running around. | ||
| We didn't care what weight class. | ||
| If he had said 125, we would have done it. | ||
| Sean specifically wanted us at 145. We went back to that lighter weight class. | ||
| It was almost accidental. | ||
| As soon as we got the opportunity, he went back up again. | ||
| He looked very thick at the weigh-ins. | ||
| He looks heavier. | ||
| He looks bigger. | ||
| Yeah, that's a part of the life cycle of an athlete. | ||
| If you're with the same guy for over a decade, you're going to see changes. | ||
| He's 30 now, he's not 18 anymore. | ||
| There are these different things going on in his life. | ||
| That's the benefit, I think, of working with someone for a long period of time rather than gym hopping. | ||
| You'll know what they can and can't do. | ||
| And he does a lot of unconventional training, right, in terms of physical conditioning. | ||
| Is he still doing all that stuff with Ido Portal? | ||
| Yeah, anytime Ido's in Europe, he tends to drop into Ireland. | ||
| We have a great relationship with him, and he'll play around with that. | ||
| You know, the reality is most of our time is going to be spent on the fundamentals of MMA. And the great thing with Ido is, especially in training camp, he'll come in near the end where you're just tired of doing single leg defenses. | ||
| You're tired of doing pad work. | ||
| And he comes in, he does all these fun games. | ||
| So we're still working out. | ||
| He's firing his brain in different ways. | ||
| He's working on coordination, on balance. | ||
| For me, as the head trainer, it's like, it's a nice break. | ||
| I'm sure there's John Wayne Power I heard say that, you know, when you have a fight coming up, you know how many miles you're going to run, you know how many kicks you're going to throw. | ||
| Every now and again, you want to come in and want to do some Ong back, jumping in the air, spinning elbows and stuff, because it breaks the monotony. | ||
| MMA is fantastic. | ||
| Because it's all the martial arts together, you're almost never going to get bored because you can always do something different. | ||
| But there's still a repetitiveness to it that it's nice to break with something unusual. | ||
| Now how much does training change when you're dealing with a specialist? | ||
| Like a guy like Khabib who is just a grappling phenom. | ||
| How much do you shift the emphasis of the training to take down defense, working on grappling? | ||
| And do you work mostly take down defense or do you just work overall wrestling so that take down defense becomes a part of that as well? | ||
| All of that. | ||
| We'll maybe talk about it later. | ||
| If there's one thing I could change is that I think I was too defensive in my mindset for this training camp. | ||
| But Habiba's very specific types of takedowns, depending on where he is, whether it's shooting on the low single in the middle, and then on the fence. | ||
| Long before Conor was due to fight him, I loved watching him. | ||
| That's kind of my area, defence. | ||
| I just love, right from the Randy Couture days, how to use defence and Habib does it to a new level. | ||
| You know, one of the takedowns he hit on Conor, he hadn't actually done it until the Aliquinta fight, so it was nice that we kind of got to see that, the high crotch. | ||
| I see a bit of DC in that, the high crotch and then Tripp on the far leg. | ||
| I think he blocked it once, but he did catch him with it. | ||
| So, you know, it was very specific takedowns. | ||
| Definitely for this training camp, it was the most specific that we went. | ||
| And then I remember about a week out or whenever it was, he did an interview and he said, well, if he doesn't make it, I'll fight Tony. | ||
| I don't care who it is. | ||
| And I was going, damn it. | ||
| I hadn't even looked at Tony's fights in so long. | ||
| So me and the other coaches started like, okay, great. | ||
| What does he do again? | ||
| Oh, yeah, he has that style. | ||
| Because we were so specific for this one. | ||
| Tony could possibly be a fight in the future. | ||
| When you think about the future now, after the Khabib fight, what are you thinking? | ||
| Are you thinking about just rest, let the dust settle, and then look at the landscape? | ||
| How do you approach it now? | ||
| I might, but he doesn't. | ||
| He's screaming and shouting for the rematch within minutes. | ||
| It's hard to push for that rematch, though, after that fight, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, I understand the logic of that. | ||
| You know, Tony's kind of earned it and stuff, but I also understand this is a business and it would be a huge fight. | ||
| You know, the rematch would be a huge fight. | ||
| Don't you think that it would be difficult to sell because of how dominant Khabib was in that fight? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I do think the Round 3 showed promise. | ||
| Like I said, I would have liked to have changed things up a little bit, specifically a more offensive mindset. | ||
| I thought defensively we did quite well. | ||
| But offensively, we weren't really where we usually are. | ||
| And right when the fight was over, I was thinking, you know what? | ||
| I was kind of going into this not to lose, but not to win. | ||
| And his shots weren't as crisp as they normally are. | ||
| He had opportunities to hit them, especially in the third round. | ||
| And he just seemed to be the range. | ||
| Something was off. | ||
| How much of it had to do with the fact that he hadn't fought MMA in two years? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Had to, right? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And we tried to mimic it as close as we could in the gym and I brought in guys that he didn't know and I would say this is fight day and he would do with George exactly what he's going to do on fight day and we'd have a referee to get the fight feel. | ||
| But it's still in the gym. | ||
| Is he at a position now where every fight has to be a gigantic super fight and is that a problem in that you know what I thought after the fight after it was all over I was like you know what a good fight would be would be him versus Pettis like that would be a really good fight and it would be a really interesting fight in terms of stylistic matchup and it would be a great fight I think for Conor to sort of Just get a wild three-round, | ||
| or I guess it would probably be a main event, it would be five rounds, but it would be a wild fight that would probably favor him. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the boxing, you know, when Tyson Fury was kind of coming back, they gave him a, you know, not the toughest guy in the world. | ||
| That shit doesn't happen in MMA. But it doesn't happen in MMA. Well, it doesn't happen in the UFC. Specifically the UFC. Yeah, and there's an issue with that, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, at his early stages, he was fighting all the time. | ||
| And as is natural, as you get older and as you achieve more, it is going to start becoming, you know, once or twice a year. | ||
| That's just a natural progression of an athlete. | ||
| I don't care who you are. | ||
| But the wild fights that he could have at 155 pounds, whether it's James Vick or Justin Gagey or Pettis, there's good fights for him that aren't necessarily Khabib, they aren't necessarily Tony Ferguson, but they're a good fight to get that timing back, get everything locked in. | ||
| 100%, but you have to factor in his personality. | ||
| And he's only fighting now for fights that are really interesting to him. | ||
| He's not that interesting to anybody else. | ||
| Not that I've heard... | ||
| That Floyd Mayweather paper. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| All that money, money, money, money. | ||
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Right. | |
| So, you know... | ||
| What more can he, you know, even with his spending, what more can he play? | ||
| Well, the idea would be the eye on the future and the eye on the rematch. | ||
| You know, like getting everything dialed in so that when he does have a rematch with Khabib, he is samurai sword sharp. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| As opposed to having two years off, one boxing fight in between them, and then such a grappling-heavy contest. | ||
| Yeah, I don't disagree. | ||
| That would be a trainer, you know, for me as a trainer, that would be the ideal. | ||
| But it would be hard to motivate him for that. | ||
| I think it would be hard to motivate him, and it's not really the UFC model. | ||
| It was obvious it was going to be those two. | ||
| But if anybody could tell the UFC what time it is, it's Conor. | ||
| Khabib time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, if anybody is the guy that can say, hey, this is what I want. | ||
| I want a fucking tune-up fight. | ||
| I want a tough guy. | ||
| He absolutely could. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he absolutely wouldn't. | ||
| It was like when he lost to Diaz one fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And backstage, he was screaming and shouting at all the tough brass about getting the rematch at 170 as quick as possible. | ||
| I'm in the background going, please don't. | ||
| Did you not see that fight? | ||
| He's a terrifying individual. | ||
| Let's get a 155 fight. | ||
| Okay, maybe you meet him again, but he was not letting that go. | ||
| And four months later, he fought the exact same guy. | ||
| And that's where he is right now with Khabib. | ||
| That's all I'm hearing from you. | ||
| Yeah, well, listen, you could sell it for sure, especially with the fucking chaos after the fight, you know? | ||
| Just keep Dylan Dennis at home. | ||
| He's grounded. | ||
| Yeah, so what would you do differently? | ||
| Like I said, from a strategy point of view, my number one thing would be to think more offensively. | ||
| That we definitely had opportunities to land shots. | ||
| And when Conor lands shots, you know, watch the Eddie fight back again. | ||
| It doesn't take him a whole lot of shots. | ||
| He rarely misses, you know. | ||
| Even if you look at strikes that didn't land, those strikes were for a reason. | ||
| They were to see what way he holds his hand, see what he moves. | ||
| Like, you know, you're still watching Anderson Silva back in the day. | ||
| And I thought, you know, they have a similar kind of approach. | ||
| But this one just didn't seem to be landing. | ||
| When I look back at the training camp, we did spend most of our time with a defensive mindset. | ||
| And I think that's a mistake. | ||
| But don't you think that a big part of it also was that he had to be tired because Khabib is such a mauler? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I mean, it had to have some sort of an effect on his ability to land those shots. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure that did and that was part of the strategy for one and two. | ||
| If we did end up on our backs was not to put a massive amount of effort into getting up, just play guard and stay safe because the next round starts on defeat and try to do damage there. | ||
| But it's still tiring. | ||
| Conor gets a hard time about his cardio all the time. | ||
| Who has Khabib faced that didn't look like that after two rounds? | ||
| Iaquinta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I was super impressed with Al Iaquinta in that fight, especially considering he came into that fight looking for a three-round fight. | ||
| I mean, that was what he was trained for. | ||
| He was trained for a three-round fight, and it changes up, and all of a sudden he's in a five-round fight for the title. | ||
| Fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy set of circumstances. | ||
| But it almost makes you wonder, and this is... | ||
| I mean, you could speak to this better than anybody. | ||
| How much... | ||
| How much is too much in regard to training for a fight like this? | ||
| Maybe training for a three-round fight is the way to go when you have to fight a five-round fight. | ||
| So you're not so fucking beat up by the time you get to the fight. | ||
| If you already know how to fight five rounds, you've already done it. | ||
| If you're a guy like Conor who's just got so much experience in the game, it might be that... | ||
| It's like there's a point of diminishing returns in terms of your strength and conditioning, and that guys just go too far, push too hard, and just don't have it. | ||
| How many times have you seen a fighter be overtrained when they fight? | ||
| Very often. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| They've given their best rounds in the gym. | ||
| And it's very difficult as well in those last two weeks because anxiety is starting to grow. | ||
| So you want to train harder. | ||
| You want to get one more spar in. | ||
| Because the fight's coming. | ||
| It's almost like when you're back in school and you're cramming for an exam. | ||
| Well, the exam's tomorrow. | ||
| I'm going to stay up all night studying. | ||
| It actually got me through college. | ||
| It works so much. | ||
| But in fighting, we've got to do the opposite. | ||
| So we've got to have a solid taper off period. | ||
| And that is hard when you're dealing with a 20-something year old man. | ||
| And he's dealing with what's coming around the corner. | ||
| But that's the trainer's job. | ||
| How much did he taper off for this fight? | ||
| Same as usual. | ||
| We have about a two-week taper-off period where we start bringing it down. | ||
| He did actually spar even after that. | ||
| We were all working very hard for this fight in a somewhat limited period of time. | ||
| So we didn't taper off quite the way we would normally do, but roughly two weeks. | ||
| If you wanted to do a rematch, and if the UFC did grant a rematch, then this is... | ||
| Obviously dependent upon how the Nevada State Athletic Commission handles the legal ramifications of him jumping out of the cage, attacking Dylan Dennis, the subsequent brawl, the chaos that ensued, visas. | ||
| I mean, you're dealing with a lot of legal shit in this fight that could hold things up. | ||
| I mean, they held both guys' purses, correct? | ||
| Well, they held Khabib's. | ||
| Conor got his. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Conor got his purse paid. | ||
| So he gets his purse. | ||
| And Khabib, I mean, who the fuck knows what's going to happen with him. | ||
| Yeah, I hope they're lenient on him. | ||
| And not just so we can get a rematch. | ||
| I mean, I love watching him fight for a start. | ||
| And I can... | ||
| I can stretch myself to understand his reaction. | ||
| I can't stretch myself to understand the other guy's reactions and what they did. | ||
| But Habib, he jumped over the cage and he jumps on. | ||
| It's not the end of the world. | ||
| Who was the guy that jumped in that was wearing red, who punched Conor? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not sure. | ||
| I think that's his boxing coach, but I'm guessing here. | ||
| He's a fighter. | ||
| He fights for the UFC. In the red? | ||
| Was that not an old... | ||
| He wasn't older. | ||
| I think I should work with him. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You work with him? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Who is he? | ||
| I don't know his name. | ||
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It's either Islam or Rustan. | |
| Yeah, it was either Islam or Rustam, yeah. | ||
| I don't think it was either one of those guys. | ||
| Like, I know Islam, he was, you know, he hit Dylan. | ||
| And a guy in a suit that I heard is his Russian manager, he hit Dylan. | ||
| Either way. | ||
| But actually in the cage, when your man went in and hit him from behind. | ||
| You know, I can't understand that. | ||
| Like I said, for Habib, I didn't think it was, you know, it was, it's just, it's almost... | ||
| It's such a foolish thing to do. | ||
| Foolish thing to do. | ||
| He'd already won. | ||
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| I know that Dylan was talking shit and he was angry, but... | ||
| Well, he actually didn't say anything because I heard a few people saying that. | ||
| Now, I was standing beside Dylan. | ||
| I didn't see what he did, but I could hear. | ||
| So he didn't say anything. | ||
| Now, when I watched back, I seen he kind of beckoned him on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Just stupid end-of-fight stuff, but I didn't think it justified that level of response. | ||
| Now, maybe there was something else in the lead-up, you know? | ||
| Dylan is a bit of a troll online, so there's probably a bit of a build-up of other stuff. | ||
| But, yeah, like I said, it wasn't that big a deal to me, what Habib did. | ||
| It just really wasn't. | ||
| Well, there's two ways of looking at it, in terms of, like, the trash talking. | ||
| And one way is that, man, does that sell a fight? | ||
| I mean, it sells a fight. | ||
| I mean, Conor's one of the best ever at it, if not the best ever at it. | ||
| Talking shit to opponents, getting them riled up. | ||
| I mean, it is... | ||
| The reason why Jose Aldo lost his composure and came charging face first at Conor. | ||
| I mean, you've got to think emotions played a big part of that. | ||
| It ramps up your stress. | ||
| It ramps up the fighters' anxiety, anticipation, and it ramps up the pressure on them to win. | ||
| And this emotion that they're fighting with fucks up their judgment. | ||
| It just does. | ||
| And it's a major tool that Conor uses. | ||
| But, on the other hand... | ||
| People say, well, I like it when fighters are respectful. | ||
| And this is one of the things that Khabib's saying. | ||
| This sport should be about respect. | ||
| You shouldn't be talking about someone's family. | ||
| You shouldn't be talking about someone's religion. | ||
| You shouldn't be talking about someone's country. | ||
| But, you know, on the other hand... | ||
| That's one of the reasons why Conor's so fucking huge. | ||
| It's not just his results. | ||
| It's all the other things that come along with it. | ||
| It's the excitement that he generates, the shit-talking, the, who the fuck is that guy? | ||
| Like, that kind of shit, that's a big part of who he is. | ||
| It's a part of who he is as this cultural icon. | ||
| I mean, it's one of the reasons why people love him. | ||
| I mean, they don't just love his ability inside the octagon, which is quite substantial. | ||
| They love the swagger. | ||
| They love when he comes in with rubber arms and... | ||
| And struts around the cage. | ||
| They love all that shit. | ||
| They love all that shit, but it's like, when is too far? | ||
| And that is the question. | ||
| When is too far? | ||
| Yeah, you know, Conor's a real divider. | ||
| Some people will love it and some people will hate it. | ||
| I'm not really that interested in people's opinions on things. | ||
| I'm just interested in what is. | ||
| And what is, that sells fights. | ||
| There's a reason he's the highest paid guy. | ||
| So if that is what is, and that's just natural for him to do as well. | ||
| It's not an act. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| You know, when he's sparring, like him and Artem are the best of friends, and every single spar, they shit talk to each other. | ||
| Oh, you're shit today, you're not on form today. | ||
| You know, people listen to that and they hate each other. | ||
| And then there's big smiles at the end of it. | ||
| It's just part of the game for him. | ||
| He enjoys it. | ||
| It's a bit of fun. | ||
| This one was darker, you know, as Dana said, it definitely was, but it's just part of who he is. | ||
| I don't really involve myself in it. | ||
| I try to stay outside of that and then just focus on the task in hand. | ||
| Does it ever get cringey for you? | ||
| Because you are a very respectful guy. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely not my personality. | ||
| It's absolutely not my personality. | ||
| But again, I don't find my own opinions on things very interesting. | ||
| I'm only interested in what is. | ||
| There's a fact that he does this and it's gotten the results he has. | ||
| Okay, well, I guess that's what he does. | ||
| It's not how I am. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, you look at the two biggest names in combat sports, Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor, and they both do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, my favorite fighter back in the day was Fedor. | ||
| And there was a man that barely said anything, and the purest, if you want to say, loved him. | ||
| But he was also fighting mostly in Japan, and it's different... | ||
| It's a different culture than here. | ||
| You could be that guy. | ||
| I almost have the two extremes. | ||
| I've Gunnar Nelson, who you never hear a blip out of. | ||
| And then I have Conor, who's the other end of the scale. | ||
| You can only be true to yourself, but I look at their followings and their sponsorship deals and their fight purses and stuff, and it's obvious which one is doing better. | ||
| If we can agree on the object of prize fighting is to make money and that's it, The object of martial arts, I think, is very different, but the object of prize fighting, and don't ever lose sight of that, as soon as I hear a fighter saying it's for some other reason, I'll try to make him retire as quick as possible because he's not being smart. | ||
| You're taking damage for money, and keep that in mind, no matter what your choices are. | ||
| Do you have guys in the gym that you see that sort of mimic Conor? | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| You're dealing with teenagers and 20s. | ||
| I look back on myself. | ||
| It's a hugely impressionable period of your life. | ||
| Young men almost try out different personalities. | ||
| And if you're such a strong personality in the gym, definitely. | ||
| I can spot the 18-year-old walking in with the man bun and the suit telling me he's going to be the next year. | ||
| I probably would have been the same at 18. It's no different. | ||
| But through, again, months and years of conversations, not telling them what to do, but conversations, I sort of say, this is a completely natural thing to do, but start to find your own voice and find your own way. | ||
| If that's who you are, you enjoy that side of it, run with it. | ||
| If it's not who you are, even the fans will see it through very quick as well. | ||
| The fans can see when someone is genuinely doing something and doing it as an act. | ||
| Now who did you guys bring in for wrestling for this camp? | ||
| You know, Sergei is wrestling coach since day one. | ||
| We're not big into like, oh, if we bring this guy in and there's six weeks to go, we're going to learn. | ||
| You know, it's not the approach. | ||
| Not the approach to learn for a camp, but like, say now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, say if you got, like, here we are, it's October. | ||
| If they say, we're looking at July of 2019, substantial amount of time from now, Plenty of time to train and also it's a gigantic card. | ||
| The 4th of July weekend, let's target a rematch for them. | ||
| What would you do differently? | ||
| Who would you bring in in terms of like wrestling? | ||
| So when you're dealing with somebody for this long, you also know there's personalities, you know, and it's one of the reasons why George worked so well. | ||
| He kind of fit it into how the team's structured. | ||
| So you might bring in someone who's, and I get so many great offers from guys with really good credentials, but what is the use of that if him and Conor are going to clash? | ||
| No matter which athlete I'm dealing with. | ||
| So actually, to me, even almost more important than anything is that they can connect and that they have a good working relationship. | ||
| Now, let me state very clearly as well. | ||
| Sergei is a fantastic wrestling coach. | ||
| He comes from generations of wrestling in Moldova. | ||
| He's got the real slick kind of Russian style of wrestling. | ||
| You know, it's not just about kind of power doubles. | ||
| He's very, very slick. | ||
| And we have some very, very slick wrestlers in the gym. | ||
| So I think we're good there. | ||
| But guys coming in, passing through, and we had Helen Morales there, the female Olympic gold medal. | ||
| I think she was the first American female to get a gold medal. | ||
| She did Alessa McConnor and it worked out brilliant. | ||
| So things I think would happen naturally like that. | ||
| I have a busy gym. | ||
| I'm always getting fighters coming through. | ||
| We're always stealing techniques. | ||
| I tell my guys to be technique vampires. | ||
| Get what you can out of everybody that comes through. | ||
| You're never going to have a mindset of, I don't need to learn from that guy. | ||
| That guy knows something that you don't know. | ||
| So that, but for a structured, okay, let's train with this guy for three months and we're going to... | ||
| That's not really how skill is passed on, as far as I can tell from my experience of it. | ||
| It's got to work personality-wise. | ||
| And like I said, I... Is there some secret technique that... | ||
| I remember watching an interview with Dan Henderson and he was saying when he started doing jiu-jitsu tournaments, he found it so strange that they wouldn't warm up with each other or that they were afraid to see his deep half guard move. | ||
| Because in wrestling, I know what you're going to do. | ||
| You know what I'm going to do. | ||
| It's just going to come down to who can hit it on the day. | ||
| And he would actually warm up with guys he was going to be competing with. | ||
| Sometimes even because it made the match a little bit better, he had a bit of a vibe going. | ||
| I don't think there's any big secret move that Conor could learn that would suddenly reverse on Habib. | ||
| I thought we did quite well. | ||
| He almost took him down at the start. | ||
| We were ready for that low single and we had a little technique for there and he actually sat him down for a moment. | ||
| He didn't drive in. | ||
| We should have dug the underhook there and went into jiu-jitsu mode and started passing. | ||
| But instead he withdrew and Khabib did a great job. | ||
| He followed him back up in the single and then got a finish. | ||
| So I don't think it's necessarily about trying to bring in a four-time gold medalist and make a big wrestling program that doesn't quite fit in what we do. | ||
| Do you think, though, that it would help him to bring in high-level wrestlers to have intense sparring sessions with him so he could feel that kind of pressure that could be put on him? | ||
| Because the level of grappling that that guy brings to the octagon, it's very difficult to match. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of like on the reverse. | ||
| Who would you bring in to... | ||
| Bring the level of striking that Conor can bring in. | ||
| As trainers, we're always looking for that carbon copy so we can get as close as we can. | ||
| And we did. | ||
| We had some big 180, you know, 185ers rushing guys. | ||
| They were actually begging us not to put anything online because they can't go home. | ||
| So we had guys that were, you know, were mimicking. | ||
| But there's a reason why Habib is undefeated and the world champion. | ||
| You can't get another guy like him. | ||
| You mimic as much as possible, and you do drills, and you do scenarios. | ||
| Dylan Danis was a great training partner. | ||
| He's up at 200 pounds, and he actually comes from wrestling before jiu-jitsu. | ||
| He's got really good takedowns, and he's got a real good eye for stylistically trying to match somebody. | ||
| So you get as close as you can. | ||
| Can I ever be the exact guy? | ||
| No. | ||
| So you feel like there's enough room for improvement that if you could go back to the drawing board and give yourself a few months, that you could get him to a point where he could have more success? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The day I don't think that, I would quit. | ||
| So I'm completely biased and I absolutely think that we could get another shot at it. | ||
| And Conor thinks that as well. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What did Conor think after the fight was over? | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Cursed a lot. | ||
| No, he's very down. | ||
| He hates technical mistakes. | ||
| So that right hand, he was very disappointed he got caught with a shot like that. | ||
| But it's actually funny. | ||
| I was just thinking about this. | ||
| That right hand, if you showed up to a boxing coach, he'd say, that's horrible. | ||
| Your head's down. | ||
| Again, I don't really care about people's opinions and things. | ||
| I care about its effectiveness. | ||
| That was a damn effective technique. | ||
| It's one of the hardest... | ||
| Clean shots Conor's been caught with in his MMA career, never mind. | ||
| But a boxing guy, you know, you bring in a boxing coach for Habib, he would train that out of him. | ||
| No, your hand's here, goes out straight, comes back. | ||
| So you've got to be careful about the individual arts, you know. | ||
| A high-level Olympic boxing coach wouldn't teach Habib that, but it's very effective. | ||
| Dan Henderson's career was around that technique. | ||
| Yeah, it's just things change, though, when you add in takedowns, right? | ||
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| It's a lovely part of being such a high-level grappler. | ||
| You can go in and swing crazy. | ||
| Conor has to go in and be always worried about the guy coming underneath his shots. | ||
| Things change. | ||
| It's what makes the sport so interesting. | ||
| Yeah, we made the comparison between Kevin Randleman when he fought Mirko Krokop, that Krokop was so worried about the takedown, Randleman comes with a big punch and knocks him out. | ||
| Yeah, it was a similar set of circumstances. | ||
| Conor recovered very, very quickly. | ||
| He's got a hell of a chin. | ||
| Yes, he does. | ||
| He's rarely hit, and that's, of course, kept his chin strong because it does diminish. | ||
| He's 15 years old. | ||
| Sparring almost daily. | ||
| So if he didn't have that style of being elusive, if he was a gym war guy, he wouldn't be able to do what he's able to do today. | ||
| How hard does he spar? | ||
| It's a little bit dependent on who we're against. | ||
| If I brought in a sparring partner, it's like a fight. | ||
| It's going to be like a fight. | ||
| He's looking to finish. | ||
| If it's a training partner, teammate, we're probably doing it at a lower level. | ||
| So if you bring in someone... | ||
| There's no fucking around. | ||
| They're ready. | ||
| They've got to be ready. | ||
| And I tell them, I will say to them, I say two things. | ||
| One, he's going to talk to you. | ||
| Don't take it personal. | ||
| This is how he lives. | ||
| And two, it's going to be a fight. | ||
| So protect yourself. | ||
| Be ready. | ||
| Now, I referee and I'll be quick to step in. | ||
| But we have to do this. | ||
| We have to get a level of training that's going to match the intensity of a contest. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Are you going to do that all the time? | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, that's only at a certain period of the training camp, and it's only going to be, for us, it's once every four, once every eight days, just kind of depending on how the spar went and how the body is. | ||
| The more of that we can do, the better, because the more directly... | ||
| It correlates to what we're actually going to do. | ||
| But then you've got to be matched against, well, if he was a Jim Moore type guy, I'd have to pull back his sparring because he's taken too many shots. | ||
| Conor could go training camp without being hit. | ||
| He's so elusive in the case, so good at judging range and so on. | ||
| So for him, he can spar all the time. | ||
| I think another example of that may be Darren Till. | ||
| He's the top dog in the gym, so he can spar all day long because he's never really accepting damage. | ||
| But if you're number 10 in the gym, you probably shouldn't spar all the time because you're taking the shots. | ||
| For him particularly, he loves fighting. | ||
| He loves sparring. | ||
| Absolutely his favorite part of training. | ||
| He will do that seven days a week and we'll let him. | ||
| He trains to other areas, but there's always the glint in the eye when it's, what's today? | ||
| Sparring. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| How do you decide? | ||
| Do you have a set schedule? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We do things in cycles. | ||
| It will vary up for him, but it's roughly on an eight-day cycle that I do with him. | ||
| Day one and day four will be sparring. | ||
| Again, a little bit depending on where the weight is and how the last spar went and how he's feeling. | ||
| But if I can get that out, that's what I aim for. | ||
| Now, when you trained for the Mayweather fight, first of all, how much time did you have to prepare for that fight? | ||
| Ten weeks to the day. | ||
| That doesn't seem like a lot. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| I remember just getting the message. | ||
| Do you think that that was calculated on Floyd's part? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| He's a very smart guy. | ||
| Because it seems like most of his fights are planned way in advance, but that one was like, what? | ||
| It's a couple months away. | ||
| It just sort of happened, yeah. | ||
| Was it August? | ||
| Is that when the fight took place? | ||
| It was August, yeah. | ||
| And so I remember hearing about it and thinking like, wait, wait, August? | ||
| That's fucking really close. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Like for a Mayweather fight, you would think six weeks or six months or something along those lines. | ||
| But I would feel like for Floyd, as great as he is and probably the best ever in terms of boxing technique and not being hit, I mean, he's so elusive, still really wouldn't want a guy like Conor preparing for a long period of time and really getting acclimated. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was kind of funny how that all came about because when he fought Eddie in November, the year before, I remember shortly after that we were at a function and I kind of pulled him aside and I shook his hand and said, right, you're done. | ||
| All the best. | ||
| Enjoy the rest of your life. | ||
| And he was kind of shocked I was saying this to him, but I said, what else are you going to do? | ||
| You're the two-way champion, you've got out the other end of this grind, this meat grinder, with no damage. | ||
| You're in a very small percentage and you've made plenty of money. | ||
| Often enjoy yourself. | ||
| And then time went past, a couple of months went past, and then the Mayweather fights started talking. | ||
| And I could understand it because now his grandkids were going to be financially secure. | ||
| So it made sense because it was a big payday. | ||
| It didn't really make sense for any other reason. | ||
| He enjoyed the competition side of it. | ||
| No matter what you're doing with Conor, it's going to be competition. | ||
| I don't care what it is. | ||
| He's going to look, how quick did you do that? | ||
| You're like, I just went for a piss. | ||
| Yeah, I'll do it quicker. | ||
| He's just that way. | ||
| So when him started having a bit of a back and forth, he was like, yeah, okay, let's quit the boxing and be the best boxer in the world. | ||
| And for me, I was on the outside going, okay, I understand what... | ||
| That makes sense to do. | ||
| Nothing else was really making sense at the time. | ||
| It's going to be damaging. | ||
| Boxing is a... | ||
| Horrendous sport to prepare for and to compete in because we're just looking at one thing really punches to the head. | ||
| You know, I don't know, of course, the body shots as well, but it's so damaging. | ||
| The only justification I could see for that was, you know, your grandkids are financially set. | ||
| Yeah, tremendous, tremendous hype behind it, tremendous amount of money. | ||
| Did you think he could win? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I'm always going to think that way. | ||
| That's my mindset. | ||
| Let's prepare as best we can. | ||
| There are options here. | ||
| When he landed that uppercut in the first round, what did you think? | ||
| Even when he went out to do that... | ||
| So, you know, we did a whole training camp, and we brought in, you probably heard, we brought in Pauly Malignaggi. | ||
| And that was my first time ever seeing him against a recognized boxer. | ||
| Because in the gym, we had local guys. | ||
| What really happened in those sparring sessions? | ||
| Because what we got to see, the clip that was released, was Conor lighting Malignaggi up. | ||
| But Pauly Malignaggi insists that most of the sparring was him dominating. | ||
| Now, that's not what I saw. | ||
| You know, when he came back, he did a spar, he went away. | ||
| It all broke because a picture got leaked and then Paulie did a lot of interviews. | ||
| He was on the East Coast working a show. | ||
| So when he came back, he was coming back to have a fight. | ||
| And actually, it was a weird night in the gym because the Fertitta brothers came in, Dana came in, there was a few celebrities came in. | ||
| It was a fight, you know, and the referee was there, Joe Cortez, a great guy, and he did 12 hard rounds, and I think there is something being released on Netflix soon, a documentary based around that fight, and it will have all the rounds, so I guess... | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, of course we have the rounds, we have the 12 rounds, and as far as I'm aware, I just actually did an interview recently there, I think it's a three-part documentary that's going to be on Netflix soon, and so people will get to make up their own minds about it, but... | ||
| Just going back to the fight. | ||
| What did you think, though, about the sparring? | ||
| When they walked out first, and I went to myself, I've no idea what's going to happen. | ||
| I'd seen him box some amateurs back home and some pros. | ||
| I'm horrendously ignorant to the boxing world. | ||
| I just don't really follow it. | ||
| And he was schooling those guys, and I was like, yeah, but they're not a world champion. | ||
| They're not that elite level. | ||
| So that night when he went into the ring with Paul, I was like... | ||
| Me and Owen are kind of like, what's going to happen here? | ||
| Is he just going to get tooled and then we have to scratch our heads and go, what are we going to do here? | ||
| But he came back after the rounds and me and Owen were going, wait a second. | ||
| It's not magic. | ||
| It's still punching and it's range and there's techniques. | ||
| So my confidence was growing. | ||
| My confidence was growing. | ||
| I knew no matter what happened, it was going to be a good fight. | ||
| It wasn't going to be, you know, you could win and just, oh my god, this looks terrible, he's missing whatever he shot, and he's being made look silly. | ||
| It was a good fight, you know, it was entertaining. | ||
| I think no one in the crowd was saying that was ridiculous. | ||
| No one was saying that was a waste of money. | ||
| It was an entertaining fight, and it's going to be one of those things that I'll be an older man than I am now, and I'll be talking about the time we... | ||
| We went into the boxing world and fought Floyd. | ||
| Even on the night, I was kind of just looking, scratching me, what am I doing here? | ||
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That's Floyd Mayweather and his dad over there. | |
| These are guys that, you know, of all the boxers, I always preferred watching Floyd than anyone else because I love defence. | ||
| Defence to me is the most intriguing part. | ||
| And him and Tony and those type of guys and how he worked at Philly Shell. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's so interesting to watch. | ||
| And he's getting on a bit. | ||
| But still able to compete so fantastic because his whole career was defensive base. | ||
| Never really took the shots, never was damaged in the gym, never was damaged in fights. | ||
| But yeah, when he was in the ring, working in the corner, in air corner, I'm just going, what the hell is Conor doing fighting fly now? | ||
| This is just strange. | ||
| Even at the beginning, you know, I'm so used to Bruce Buffer and it was a different guy and he hit the bell three times. | ||
| I was like, oh yeah, they do that in the Rocky movies. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| Ding, ding, ding, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| It's kind of the beginning of the ceremonial. | ||
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And I was like, oh shit, they're actually going to box. | |
| Right until the end of it, it was still just head scratching and then Floyd coming over at the end and giving his little compliment, you know, he's got a hell of a shot on him, he's tough as nails. | ||
| It was a great experience. | ||
| I wouldn't do anything different. | ||
| If the Paulie Malignaggi sparring session, which you said was like a fight, if it was scored as a fight, you think Conor would have won the fight? | ||
| Yeah, of course I'm going to say yes, and people will say, well, no. | ||
| Everybody who was there in the night had, you know, asked Dana. | ||
| Actually, Dana knows a lot more about boxing than me, than I do. | ||
| And all of those guys were going, okay, we have a fight in our hands here. | ||
| This is going to be an interesting contest. | ||
| So, yeah, I'm of course going to say yeah, but I guess people will see their hands and make up their own mind. | ||
| But it wasn't as one-sided as those clips that were released? | ||
| Of course, Paulie. | ||
| He landed his shots as well, of course. | ||
| He's a brilliant boxer. | ||
| For me, as a trainer, it was amazing looking at him. | ||
| He's put on a little bit of weight, and you still have to go 12 rounds because after about round four, he's not going to continue here. | ||
| He's breathing very heavy, and he's been hit hard, and he's been sat down once. | ||
| Whether that was a push or a punch, you guys can make up your own mind on that. | ||
| But a lot of heavy shots, and I was thinking, he's going to be over here by six. | ||
| So we had another sparring partner ready. | ||
| And I was like, okay, just be ready to go because I think this will go about six rounds. | ||
| And then Pauly just hit this rhythm and started landing his own shots. | ||
| And it turned out to be a great contest. | ||
| I'd say contest because it wasn't a spar. | ||
| They were talking the whole time. | ||
| Pauly was talking to me. | ||
| He was talking to the cameraman. | ||
| He was almost better than Conor. | ||
| It was great to watch. | ||
| Everybody had a great night. | ||
| And I think they both actually bizarrely enjoyed it. | ||
| It was like kind of Conor and Nate. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Batman and the Joker, like, you know, they both need each other. | ||
| They hate each other, but they love each other. | ||
| It's a weird dynamic when you see a contest like that. | ||
| Well, Pauly was campaigning for a fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He was trying to get Conor to box him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not out of the realms of possibilities. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's absolutely not out of the realms of possibilities. | ||
| There's all sorts of crazy rumors going around the managing team and the fight team and what might happen next. | ||
| It could be boxing. | ||
| It could be him. | ||
| It could be Floyd. | ||
| Floyd again. | ||
| All sorts of names are being thrown around. | ||
| Well, one thing that happened in the fight that was undeniable is that Conor started to fade. | ||
| And we've talked about this, the endurance issue. | ||
| What do you think is that issue? | ||
| Well, certainly in that fight you could see and what I learned about it was just brilliant to watch Floyd, how he managed his energy. | ||
| I think he threw one punch in round one and maybe not much more in round two. | ||
| It was just such an amazing strategy and then switching from the usual style to kind of just hands up and walking in and Conor did unload a lot on his forearms. | ||
| Very inefficient, which is the opposite of what I would describe Conor's fighting style. | ||
| He's efficient. | ||
| Very few shots, maximum return. | ||
| This was lots of punches, and it was one of the few bits of advice I gave him in the corner that was of any use, because I'm not a boxing guy, was, let's pick our shot. | ||
| There's a reason why he's not throwing anything. | ||
| You don't throw anything. | ||
| This is 12 rounds. | ||
| It's almost like there's three parts to a fight. | ||
| There's one to four, there's five to eight, and then there's nine to twelve. | ||
| And Floyd just worked that beautifully. | ||
| And it'd be something that we would definitely do a lot more if we were to ever get another boxing fight. | ||
| It was recognized that there's 12 rounds. | ||
| Pace yourself. | ||
| He was kind of in the MMA mode of just big shots and light the guy up. | ||
| But Floyd's the best in the world at not being lit up. | ||
| Do you think it's a pacing issue and not an endurance issue? | ||
| Or do you think it's both? | ||
| Specifically for the boxing, yeah, there was pacing and endurance in a new field. | ||
| No clinch work at all. | ||
| We had a few little kind of funny clinch techniques we were going to try out. | ||
| What was the hammer fist to the back of the head? | ||
| Well, he was aiming for the side of the head. | ||
| We'd play it around with little stretches of the rules and we'd see what Joe Cortez would pull us up on. | ||
| Could we do a little, you know, I'm a Lomachenko fan as well, and he comes from wrestling and you see him doing kind of what almost looked like arm drags and tie-ups and stuff. | ||
| So we were trying to use that and we just got broke every time. | ||
| We had very little opportunity to kind of, you know, even going towards the back and holding the hip and hitting with one hand. | ||
| I couldn't find anything in the written rules that were against that, but we were pulled on it straight away. | ||
| Some of the areas where we thought we'd be able to rest and maybe make Floyd use energy that he's unused to, clinch, we didn't get that. | ||
| It was immediate breaks. | ||
| That's the sport of boxing. | ||
| That's just how it is. | ||
| So yeah, there would have to be all those type of adjustments. | ||
| One of the more fascinating rumors was that there was going to be some sort of a striking match in the octagon with MMA gloves. | ||
| That's being talked about. | ||
| That was being talked about. | ||
| Is being talked about. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's been going around as well. | ||
| Because I talked to Dane about that and he said it was horse shit. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, I don't deal with Dane. | ||
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But you were talking. | |
| I'd heard about this. | ||
| I'd heard about this. | ||
| Who was talking to you about it? | ||
| You know, speaking with Conor and speaking with Manga, they talk about, like, you can only throw leg kicks. | ||
| Whoa, Jesus. | ||
| That would be the end. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's all it would take. | ||
| Sorry, Floyd. | ||
| I hate to say that. | ||
| The side-on stance, you know what it's like if you get a leg kick in that way. | ||
| You must face straight on so you can check leg kicks. | ||
| If they allowed leg kicks, and only leg kicks, no head kicks, Conor would fuck him up. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Quickly. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I think it would be the first kick. | ||
| No one even understands. | ||
| It'd be the first leg kick. | ||
| Now, I will say right away that Conor absolutely doesn't want to do that. | ||
| He wants to fight UFC rules or boxing rules. | ||
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He's zero interest in a hybrid fight. | |
| Just that alone. | ||
| A hybrid fight, just leg kicks alone. | ||
| He would fuck Floyd Mayweather up. | ||
| Doesn't he want to fuck Floyd Mayweather up? | ||
| He does, but within one of the two rule sets. | ||
| Oh my god, just leg kicks. | ||
| Just let him throw leg kicks. | ||
| Just a few. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't matter what fucking stance Floyd stands in either. | ||
| Inside leg kicks, outside leg kicks, just one of those, it would be like... | ||
| We have a lot of, you know, Ireland is... | ||
| We have very good boxing history and very good athletes. | ||
| And we get the odd time and a good boxer will come down for a spar. | ||
| And these guys can take shots all day long and one leg kick and they run. | ||
| It's such a pain that they've never felt before. | ||
| Like you said, it changes everything very, very quickly. | ||
| It would change Floyd's entire game. | ||
| He has no idea. | ||
| Do you remember when Cool Vince Phillips fought Masato in Japan? | ||
| When Vince Phillips was at the top of his game, when he was a real elite boxer, he was just starting to slide, and he went over and fought Masato in K-1, and Masato just fucked his legs up. | ||
| Just fucked those legs up. | ||
| It was horrifying to watch. | ||
| The only one that I remember that went over there and actually... | ||
| Shannon Cannon. | ||
| Shannon the Cannon. | ||
| Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson. | ||
| And Tom Erickson cracked him with a couple of leg kicks. | ||
| And Shannon actually talked about it on the podcast. | ||
| He's like, champ, he hit me with a couple of those leg kicks. | ||
| I was ready to quit, champ. | ||
| He's like, it hurts so bad. | ||
| He goes, but I'm pretending. | ||
| He goes, I'm pretending it ain't nothing. | ||
| He goes, I'm an agony champ. | ||
| It's just a different pain. | ||
| It's just a stomach. | ||
| You can get whacked in the head all day long, and most fighters won't even recognize that, but the right body shot, you hit that liver, or the right leg kick, and there's just no gritting through it. | ||
| It's stunning. | ||
| For people that have never been kicked before, it's stunning to watch. | ||
| They're like, what? | ||
| This happens all the time? | ||
| And if you watch a K-1 match or a Glory match or Muay Thai, it's just crazy how often they get kicked and they just learn how to absorb it. | ||
| They learn how to check it and eat it. | ||
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It takes time. | |
| But that would be, if you could somehow or another talk Conor and Floyd into a boxing match with leg kicks, did Floyd actually say that that would be something he would consider? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was just one of those, like, while I'm talking to Conor, he regularly throws stuff at me down. | ||
| I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? | ||
| I'm always having weird conversations. | ||
| And this was just one of them where it came up that... | ||
| There's a possibility of this, and they were talking about hybrid rules, but he shot it down straight away. | ||
| You'll fight him, obviously, MMA rules would be ideal. | ||
| I think Floyd, he's a very intelligent guy. | ||
| He's not going to do that. | ||
| I don't even think he would do the leg kick. | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| I think he flirts with a lot of this stuff and I'll come over to your world. | ||
| But he's no fool. | ||
| He's a super smart guy. | ||
| I just can't imagine that he would spar with one guy and eat one of those kicks and he would just be like, oh, fuck this. | ||
| No, thank you. | ||
| Yeah, fuck all that. | ||
| It changes the way you're allowed to stand. | ||
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| I mean, he would have to be very light on his front leg. | ||
| He'd have to learn how to condition his shins. | ||
| I mean, it's like the whole thing would be different. | ||
| But they have talked about some sort of a rematch in boxing. | ||
| Like I said, it's just one of those things that's thrown out there and you hear a movie roll and you hear this and this and that. | ||
| You know, Conor has the world at his feet. | ||
| There's so many people who want to pull him in so many different ways. | ||
| But he seems to have avoided some of the more obvious Hollywood type traps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, because like Ronda Rousey got sucked into all of them, right? | ||
| She was doing everything. | ||
| She was on all these TV shows and movies. | ||
| And I remember before she lost to Holly Holm thinking, God, she's getting stretched thin. | ||
| Like, this can't be good. | ||
| This can't be good. | ||
| You know, I was worried about Amanda Nunes. | ||
| Amanda Nunes was the one that I thought had Ronda's number. | ||
| I'm like, that girl punches so fucking hard. | ||
| And she's an elite ground specialist. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| It wouldn't be a picnic on the ground and Rhonda takes girls to the ground and submits them. | ||
| But I was like, but you've got to get through the fire that's Amanda Nunes' hands. | ||
| And I remember seeing her in all these other things and these television shows and these movie deals and I was like, those things will rob you. | ||
| They rob you. | ||
| They give you something. | ||
| They give you some money. | ||
| They give you some fame. | ||
| You walk that red carpet. | ||
| You look wonderful. | ||
| Smile, Rhonda. | ||
| Look over here. | ||
| Smile, Conor. | ||
| But they steal things from you. | ||
| They steal your ability to actually fight. | ||
| They steal your ability to have all of your resources. | ||
| And Conor's done an amazing job of avoiding that. | ||
| For the most part. | ||
| I mean, there's proper 12 whiskey coming out, and photo shoots had to be done. | ||
| But no movies. | ||
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No, no. | |
| The movies are the ones that really fucking rob you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He actually had a small part in a movie when he was just starting off, 18, 19. It's a little Irish movie. | ||
| It's funny he's seeing his little head in it. | ||
| He played a prisoner. | ||
| Because he's obsessed with fighting, he loves fighting. | ||
| You could see in the lead up to this, he didn't want to do much media and press. | ||
| They came to an agreement. | ||
| It won't be done. | ||
| He'd rather do none of it and have no build-up. | ||
| Conor's ideal world, I think, would be the fight in every UFC every Saturday night. | ||
| That would be his ideal. | ||
| Just live near the UFC and fight Saturday night and then have a fun night Sunday and then get ready for the next fight. | ||
| He loves fighting. | ||
| Like, what else is he doing? | ||
| I'd scratch my head about this. | ||
| If I had that money, I think I couldn't engage with it. | ||
| No, thank you. | ||
| I'm good! | ||
| And he wants to get right back in. | ||
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Or fight Floyd. | |
| Definitely the Habib one. | ||
| That's the fire. | ||
| If you had to guess what's next, what would you think? | ||
| I won't pretend to understand the business side of things. | ||
| Him and Audi and Paradigm, they do all of that. | ||
| The fans and the officials decide who gets the next shot. | ||
| I only deal with what's going to be put in front of me. | ||
| I think it will be a rematch. | ||
| I think it will be that. | ||
| I'll be getting torn apart. | ||
| I'm only saying what I think. | ||
| Is it going to be someone else? | ||
| I don't really know. | ||
| But that's what I see him talking about. | ||
| So that's how my mind is. | ||
| What do you think will be different in terms of the way he approaches it in terms of trash talking and all that other stuff? | ||
| He's never going to not be him. | ||
| That's the side of his personality. | ||
| It's a dividing line. | ||
| My parents are not mad about it, but the kids in my gym love it. | ||
| It's just one of those things. | ||
| Conor's never not going to do that. | ||
| In Dublin, where he's from, there was always that guy in the class that was just sharp wit, had the quick reply. | ||
| And from the moment I met him, he was just that guy that's like... | ||
| You can't make a tiny mistake around him. | ||
| You make you feel stupid very quick, you know, being on the end of it. | ||
| But I remember that guy in school as well, and it just happens that he has a lethal left hand on top of that. | ||
| And then he has the look, and he's just an unusual package that it all came together. | ||
| I don't, you know, the build-up for Diaz too. | ||
| He didn't stop. | ||
| It wasn't like he was going to go, oh, I hope I don't lose this time. | ||
| He went in with the same kind of mindset he had and I've no doubt he would go into that fight as fully prepared as we can and he'd be 100% sure in his mind he's going to destroy him in a round because that's how he always thinks. | ||
| If there's another fight that would sell and it would be huge, it would be that. | ||
| It would be Diaz 3. Oh, yeah. | ||
| That could be, especially if Diaz gets past Poirier. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he, shit, even if he doesn't. | ||
| I mean, just that fight alone. | ||
| I mean, there's the history between those two guys. | ||
| I mean, that would be... | ||
| And it's so appealing stylistically as well, the fight. | ||
| I'm a grappler at heart. | ||
| I love grappling. | ||
| But I also understand that a jiu-jitsu tournament will put people to sleep. | ||
| Even if you're into jiu-jitsu, it's hard to watch a jiu-jitsu tournament. | ||
| But anybody can see a punch hitting someone in the head and then falling down. | ||
| That's exciting. | ||
| And him and Diaz, it's such a great personality matchup. | ||
| It's such a great skill clash. | ||
| You know, if I was to design somebody that's going to bring the best ever corner, he'd want someone that, you know, can hit back and take a big shot and put up at the trash. | ||
| It's a beautiful fight. | ||
| I would love to see that rematch. | ||
| Yeah, the thing about Diaz when they first fought was that he didn't give a fuck about trash talk. | ||
| It didn't bother him at all. | ||
| It was normal. | ||
| It was like, oh, okay, we're doing this. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| It was what everybody wanted to see at the time. | ||
| Because Connor was so good at talking shit and people would get so flustered. | ||
| But then Diaz didn't give a fuck. | ||
| And you could tell he didn't give a fuck. | ||
| It was just so normal for him. | ||
| And it was like, wow, trash talk doesn't work on Diaz. | ||
| It really doesn't work. | ||
| Yeah, I'd known about some of his training partners and he's like Conor. | ||
| In the gym, he's trash talking to his brother. | ||
| He's trash talking to whoever he's sparring because it's fun. | ||
| It's always just when we have Conor having a big spar, the gym will be packed. | ||
| Everybody wants to come down and see him sparring. | ||
| He's talking to the guy the whole way through, whether it's a close friend like Artem or whether it's someone we brought in that he doesn't know. | ||
| It's not going to change him. | ||
| I'll be, I certainly don't sparring, but I'll roll with myself and even trash talk me when I'm trying to do my shoes. | ||
| Shut up! | ||
| But it's, you know, it's just, it's his personality. | ||
| So, what timeline do you think we're looking at in terms of his return? | ||
| If you had a guess. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| I was looking at March 16th. | ||
| Paddy's Day is March 17th. | ||
| That's a Sunday. | ||
| March 16th is a Saturday. | ||
| Imagine MSG on the Saturday night before Paddy's Day. | ||
| That would be insane. | ||
| I wonder if it's not booked. | ||
| Yeah, I was actually gonna go on. | ||
| MSG's booked pretty far in advance. | ||
| I'd imagine so, I'd imagine so. | ||
| And they're doing one in November to do two at MSG in a year. | ||
| I think you could do Conor in there every weekend. | ||
| You could. | ||
| You could also do the Boston Garden. | ||
| Just him and Diaz every weekend, and it's going to be packed out. | ||
| You could do the TD Garden in Boston, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, we've had good times there. | ||
| Ah, fucking Irish in Boston. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| More Irish in Boston than there is in Ireland. | ||
| And you could do, of course, Vegas anytime. | ||
| Yeah, Vegas anytime. | ||
| Just, I saw that date, but, you know, like you said, just the big summer card as well. | ||
| You have Fight Week to July card. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think probably next summer is probably realistic. | ||
| We have to obviously see what punishment Habib gets. | ||
| I hope it's not a long ban. | ||
| Yeah, I do too. | ||
| Everybody was so amped up after the fact. | ||
| I was like, oh man, this could be terrible. | ||
| But Monday morning, I'm like, eh... | ||
| What the fuck happened, really? | ||
| Nobody died. | ||
| Nobody even got cut. | ||
| A couple people got punched in a place where people get punched. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I have the other hat in that. | ||
| I have a big commercial gym. | ||
| I coach kids. | ||
| I'm president of the Amateur MMA Association back home. | ||
| I deal with politicians all the time. | ||
| And this is the exact thing that they're arguing with me when I'm wearing a suit on a Wednesday meeting with the Minister for Sport. | ||
| So I'm looking at it going, great, that's what's going to be brought up at my next meeting when I'm trying to get governing body status for my life's work, my art, my sport. | ||
| And I'm trying to tell plus 60-year-olds that this is legitimate and they're showing me this and you're... | ||
| For that, it was terrible. | ||
| There's no other way around it. | ||
| Like I said, if Habib had done that isolated, I didn't think it was that big a deal. | ||
| I didn't think it was that big a deal. | ||
| He didn't really hit Dylan with a bit of pushing and pulling. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Your man coming up and hitting, it was absolutely dangerous. | ||
| He's a trained fighter, he's bare knuckles, and he's hitting a guy who's tired, who's done hard rounds, who's taken some headshots, and he went for the illegal shot. | ||
| There's a reason why you're not allowed to hit the stem of the brain there. | ||
| There has to be something, there has to be ramifications for that. | ||
| It can't be just like, ah, they're hitting each other. | ||
| You can't allow that to happen again. | ||
| No. | ||
| An example has to be made so that other people in the height of it go, wait a second, it's not just a slap on the wrist. | ||
| Something substantial happens if you do something criminal. | ||
| It's assault. | ||
| Yeah, it literally is. | ||
| And I really worry about him in terms of him having a visa and being able to obtain a visa and fight in America again. | ||
| And I believe he was supposed to be fighting next month. | ||
| Did we find out who that guy was? | ||
| You did, right? | ||
| His name starts with a Z. One of them was the guy that Artem was going to fight in three weeks' time. | ||
| Who is it? | ||
| Okay, let me read it. | ||
| Yeah, that's the guy. | ||
| That's the guy. | ||
| And he was actually bragging about it on social media. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Zuberia Tokugou. | ||
| It's a lot of consonants. | ||
| And Islam Makachev faced UFC acts as Conor McGregor ring attackers revealed. | ||
| Yeah, Zubaria, I don't know how to say his name, I'm sorry. | ||
| I think he's the one that was wearing red that jumped the cage and punched Conor bare knuckle. | ||
| Islam Makachev, he's the one that hopped over the ring. | ||
| That happened right in front of me. | ||
| I didn't think that was him in the red. | ||
| I thought that was him in the black, that him and Conor had a little exchange, and then the other guy hit him from behind, but I could be wrong. | ||
| I'm sure we're getting a million texts in there to correct us. | ||
| Not sure, yeah. | ||
| Either way, that can't happen again. | ||
| Bad stuff. | ||
| You know, I hope it all gets worked out. | ||
| Well, thank you, gentlemen. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Thanks for being here. | ||
| George, thank you for illuminating the very elusive art of weight cutting. | ||
| It was an excellent conversation. | ||
| You're all dipped out now, huh? | ||
| Increases your cognitive ability by about 200%. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| Dip increases your cognitive ability by 200%. | ||
| Why are all those truck drivers so stupid? | ||
| Truck drivers listen right now. | ||
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Fuck you! | |
| Just a joke, folks. | ||
| Just a joke. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| You talk about my people. | ||
| That's my people. | ||
| Let's say 80% of stats are made up on the spot. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| I'm all about making shit up. | ||
| And thank you, John. | ||
| Really appreciate you coming in here. | ||
| Thanks for having us on. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| And hopefully we'll do it again under brighter times. | ||
| It's just sport. | ||
| It is a sport. | ||
| It's just sport. | ||
| You've got a great attitude, man. | ||
| I really appreciate that. | ||
| Thank you. |
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