Aug. 24, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Boom! | ||
| And we're live, Mark Delagrate! | ||
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What up? | |
| Most of the time, if you and I are talking on a microphone, it's when you're in the truck, and I'm talking to you right before a big fight. | ||
| People don't realize, like, you're the guy I talk to. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| A lot of shit talking going on. | ||
| You do a lot of shit talking. | ||
| A lot of things we probably shouldn't say. | ||
| Luckily, it doesn't make the broadcast, though. | ||
| Well, when that one got leaked, when Aldo was about to fight Conor, and I said, he does not look good. | ||
| I said, he looks nervous as fuck. | ||
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I remember that. | |
| His body looks flat. | ||
| Soft and flat. | ||
| Yeah, and then he got flatlined. | ||
| Yeah, well, you were right. | ||
| I was right in that regard. | ||
| That did make program, didn't it? | ||
| Well, what happened was somebody recorded it. | ||
| I was talking to you, I think, and I was talking to Bruce. | ||
| And somebody just decided to be a little twat. | ||
| Dude, I'm paranoid in that truck sometimes. | ||
| You have to be now. | ||
| I'm going to push the wrong fucking button, and I'm going to be talking shit to you or Marin or something. | ||
| Well, that was one where it was interesting. | ||
| I was like, oh, okay. | ||
| Well, somebody's a fucking asshole. | ||
| You're privy to this sort of inside banter to release that and make it public. | ||
| I would never say that publicly, so I was very upset that they did that. | ||
| But it was honest. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| It was honest. | ||
| He did look like shit. | ||
| But damn, he looked good last weekend. | ||
| He looked unbelievable. | ||
| I'm happy for him, man. | ||
| I love Jeremy Stevens. | ||
| I love Jeremy Stevens. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| I mean, you know, we're cool with everybody. | ||
| We work for the company. | ||
| You've got to get to know everybody. | ||
| You've got to be cool with everybody. | ||
| But it was good to see Jose Aldo back on top, man. | ||
| He needed that bad, dude. | ||
| I'm always happy when someone wins with a liver shot. | ||
| Because it's one of those weird punches. | ||
| You'll see someone, you'll see two guys, and they exchange good shots to the body, and they seem like they have no effect. | ||
| Obviously they hurt, but they'll deal with it and keep fighting. | ||
| And then every now and then you see, whap! | ||
| And then, ugh! | ||
| You see that liver shot where the legs go out and the body gives in. | ||
| It's like, man, that is crazy that we have this one area that sometimes works. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Because sometimes it doesn't work. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| A liver shot's weird. | ||
| Man, and it's delayed. | ||
| That's the funniest part about it. | ||
| There's like a split-second delay where you're like, I got this. | ||
| You just fold over. | ||
| If you saw that, too, there was a body shot that he threw. | ||
| He threw a rear, a right hand to the body, and then the left liver shot. | ||
| So I think it's kind of like... | ||
| You know, you take the first punch, and then you brace, and you got it, and then you relax for a second, and that's when your diaphragm and your liver starts vibrating. | ||
| I wish it made sense. | ||
| Well, here it is right here. | ||
| We can see it again. | ||
| Weird video. | ||
| Yeah, watch. | ||
| He throws the right hand to the body first. | ||
| There it is and there it is. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Double body shot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Jeremy's a banger too, man. | ||
| That's a tough dude, man, to get dropped from a body shot. | ||
| Yeah, and to make that face too. | ||
| You can't hide it. | ||
| It must have hurt so bad. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Well, Kevin Ross is the only guy that I've ever seen hide it. | ||
| Kevin Ross got... | ||
| He was fighting in Bellator. | ||
| Not his last fight, but maybe the previous fight. | ||
| And he got hit in the first round with a spinning back kick right in the liver. | ||
| And he just... | ||
| You could see, he just kept moving and he said he was in ultimate agony. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But he didn't show shit and his opponent didn't know. | ||
| I mean, he really pulled it off. | ||
| He really pulled it off. | ||
| He figured out how to just He's so mentally strong, though, that guy. | ||
| He just figured out how to suck it up and just deal with the pain. | ||
| It's tough to do in kickboxing and boxing, too, because it's not like you can jump guard or stall or grapple. | ||
| You can't hide that. | ||
| You get hit like that, and you've got to keep fighting. | ||
| Especially kickboxing as opposed to Muay Thai. | ||
| You can't even really clinch. | ||
| Right, exactly, especially with these new rules. | ||
| Do you like that? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| It's not the art. | ||
| I think everything that's going on with... | ||
| You know, these new rules. | ||
| Even when K1 first came out and all that, it's kind of like what I consider like a takeoff of Muay Thai. | ||
| It's not Muay Thai, but they call it Muay Thai. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's not Muay Thai. | ||
| You know, it's not the real art. | ||
| K1 was like the Japanese said, not enough brain damage. | ||
| Not enough. | ||
| You need more brain damage. | ||
| And I think they just sucked at the clinch because the Thais are so good at it. | ||
| They wanted to give themselves a chance to actually compete with some of the best in the world. | ||
| So they said, all right, let's limit their weapons. | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| Because wouldn't you think that they would just learn the clinch? | ||
| Man, I wish they would. | ||
| That's one of the most intricate parts of Muay Thai. | ||
| That's where all the gambling goes. | ||
| That's where all the points come from. | ||
| You can punch the shit out of somebody and you get nowhere and then you start clenching and the knees start coming and the little turnovers and trips. | ||
| The Thais love that shit, man. | ||
| That's the real art. | ||
| There's so much grappling involved in Thai boxing that's overlooked. | ||
| And to have rules that take away grappling, take away clinch work, makes no sense to me. | ||
| It's half the art at that point. | ||
| It's also a really underappreciated thing in terms of how they score it. | ||
| We don't score the same way. | ||
| If you're watching a tie fight, and if you were an American, you'd be like, ah, there's a bunch of hugging, yeah, you got off a couple of knees, but the other guy hit him with some good right hands and a good jab. | ||
| So funny you say that. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I just had this lesson with my students the other night, you know, doing a, let's talk about the rules, how to win the judges, so to say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Dutch rules are different than the Thai rules, and America is kind of fucked up and lost in between all of it. | ||
| The Dutch consider it like a hand block. | ||
| If you block with your hands like this, it's a block in Holland. | ||
| The Thai, that's not a block. | ||
| That's a point. | ||
| You get the point. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| You have to block with your legs in Thai box in order to show that you've blocked and nullified the attack. | ||
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Really? | |
| And the points, like the punches score big in Holland, low kicks score big, and they mean shit to the Thais. | ||
| You could punch the shit out of somebody for a full round and then just get two clean body kicks off. | ||
| And all the Thais are like, oh, hey, hey, you got that. | ||
| The gambling starts going. | ||
| So a lot of these foreigners go to Thailand and they think they're doing well and then they lose decisions and they wonder why. | ||
| It's because they don't understand the rules. | ||
| And vice versa, the Thais go to Holland. | ||
| And, you know, they think they're doing well and the guy's punching the shit out of them and they're kind of blocking partially and then they lose decisions as well. | ||
| So it's very different between the judging and the scoring between Dutch kickboxing and real Muay Thai. | ||
| Very different. | ||
| Yeah, I remember when Ramon Decker was fighting over in Thailand, and one of the things that he shocked a lot of those guys was with his hand techniques. | ||
| He was able to close the distance and just unleash a barrage of explosive knockout punches and take guys out, where I think they'd become more accustomed to that not happening. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| You also become accustomed to not being assaulted in the first round. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| I remember one of the fights I had early in my career in Thailand. | ||
| I was so excited to be fighting at a big fair, big festival, fighting this big-name Thai, and I threw an elbow in the first round. | ||
| Because I had the opportunity to throw the elbow, I threw the elbow, and I landed, and the guy put his glove up to his head to see if he was bleeding any. | ||
| Gave me that mean look and nodded and it was game on from there. | ||
| And I went back to the corner and my Thai trainers were yelling at me like, the fuck are you doing? | ||
| You throw elbows. | ||
| I was like, elbows illegal, right? | ||
| Yeah, but not first round. | ||
| Now he angry you. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Now he angry you? | ||
| Now he angry you. | ||
| Thai-Glish. | ||
| Half Thai, half English. | ||
| Was that bad? | ||
| Dude, it was apparently. | ||
| I was just excited to be fighting in Thailand using elbows because a lot of times in the States, you know, we can't use them and the rules are limited. | ||
| And I was in Thailand and there was a festival at night and the Fucking lights are on and the ties are betting. | ||
| And I was like, game on. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Trainers were mad at me for throwing the elbow. | ||
| And then there was other fights I had where they were like, oh, be careful for elbow. | ||
| This festival fight. | ||
| No doctor here. | ||
| Hospital far away. | ||
| It's like, you guys are fucking my head all up. | ||
| No doctor here. | ||
| Hospital far away. | ||
| I remember my trainer saying that. | ||
| He's like, be careful for elbow. | ||
| I was like, thanks, fucking tips. | ||
| Like, I know. | ||
| Watch out for elbows. | ||
| He's like, yeah, but no doctor here. | ||
| Not stadium. | ||
| This festival. | ||
| Dude, you got such a good Thai accent. | ||
| Dude, my Thai-glish is on point, bro. | ||
| Don't even go there. | ||
| Don't even go there. | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| Don't make me do a ladyboy. | ||
| With a heavy Boston accent. | ||
| Dude, you ever hear Stitch Duran speak Thai? | ||
| Stitch did some R&R in the service in Thailand. | ||
| And man, like, you know, you say like, that's like the property. | ||
| He's like, man, he like speaks like a Thai essay. | ||
| It's hilarious, dude. | ||
| It's the funniest thing, man. | ||
| How do you say thank you again? | ||
| Yeah, if you roll the R's, it's like real, like almost like aristocrat. | ||
| Like you stick out like a sore thumb if you're a white dude. | ||
| But women don't say that. | ||
| They say... | ||
| Ka is like the feminine polite particle. | ||
| It looks like K-R-U-P, but it's actually the cup. | ||
| That's the male polite particle. | ||
| And then everybody... | ||
| They all stretch everything out. | ||
| Everything is like... | ||
| I go with you now. | ||
| Where you go, mister? | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's the twang, I guess. | ||
| It's that Thai twang. | ||
| They're the nicest people on earth. | ||
| They're sweet. | ||
| They're so nice, man. | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
| It's the land of smiles, but you'll find some fucking frowns here and there, I'll tell you that much, dude. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Well, especially in the fight game. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's no getting around the fight game. | ||
| You're going to have some mean motherfuckers. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| But the fighters are cool, though, man. | ||
| I remember one of my first fights in Thailand. | ||
| Well, at least my Raja Dominand fight in 2003. I had breakfast with my opponent, and it was like... | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, super chill. | ||
| Like, we weighed in butt naked next to each other, which was awkward as fuck, but... | ||
| Like, do we really have to be naked? | ||
| And the Thai's like, yeah, you gotta get down, bro. | ||
| And I was like, I don't want to get naked. | ||
| I'm on weight. | ||
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Don't worry. | |
| I'll leave my underwear on. | ||
| They were like, no, underwear off. | ||
| That's how we do it at Ratchet Island Stadium. | ||
| And I was like, shit. | ||
| So butt naked, weighed in my opponent, went next door and had breakfast with him, shooting the shit. | ||
| It's kind of cool, Nick. | ||
| But it is a cool place, man. | ||
| I remember the first time I went to Thailand, I came home and I was homesick. | ||
| And I was fucked up, dude. | ||
| It felt weird. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| I felt lonely and lost. | ||
| And I had family here. | ||
| My wife now, I was with her at the time. | ||
| We weren't married at the time. | ||
| But I had family. | ||
| I had friends. | ||
| I was very much connected. | ||
| Old-school Sicilian family, Boston-based, deep roots. | ||
| And I just felt awkward and weird. | ||
| I was away from home. | ||
| I was homesick. | ||
| You missed Thailand. | ||
| I missed Thailand. | ||
| My very first trip, I remember leaving the airport and I was driving and I had nothing but smiles for like a month and a half straight and I was leaving Logan Airport in Boston and some truck driver cut me off and stuck his head out the window and was like, fuck you man! | ||
| Gave me the finger. | ||
| Chill. | ||
| He wanted to get up and fight, and I was like, bro, I'll snap your neck, but I don't want to fight nobody. | ||
| I'm Buddha now. | ||
| I like this vibe. | ||
| I want to go back to Thailand. | ||
| It was weird, man. | ||
| It was definitely trippy, though, but something brought me, something very deep and spiritual brought me to Thailand, brought me to the kingdom. | ||
| That is the opposite way I feel about Boston. | ||
| When I go back to Boston and I see hostility, I smile. | ||
| I'm like, ah! | ||
| I remember this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And people cut people off. | ||
| You fucking queer! | ||
| Like, oh yeah. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| This is where I grew up. | ||
| It is awesome. | ||
| There's something unique about Boston people. | ||
| And I'm telling you, man, I've told this to people. | ||
| When you've got to get up at fucking 6 in the morning to shovel 17 inches of snow off your fucking frozen windshield to go to work and sit in traffic and beep and be angry at each other. | ||
| It just makes a different person. | ||
| It definitely makes a different sense of humor. | ||
| There's a certain connection that I have to those Northeast comedians, guys like Bill Burr. | ||
| Bill and I did a show Wednesday night. | ||
| Whenever I'm around a guy from Boston, it's so obvious. | ||
| It's like, there's a certain, and there's also a certain respect for people's attention span. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| Because one of the good things about starting out in Boston was like, people didn't give a fuck. | ||
| Like, they don't have any time for your dilly-dallying up there. | ||
| You better come with the jokes, God. | ||
| So true, man. | ||
| First trip to LA, I don't know, it was LA, San Francisco, I think, at the time when I was younger. | ||
| Went to some random sandwich shop. | ||
| I was like, I'm hungry. | ||
| I was like, give me one of those joints right there. | ||
| And the guy was taking his time. | ||
| And I was like, bro, I'm in a fucking rush. | ||
| And my buddy was like, dude, watch the F-bombs. | ||
| I was like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, just watch the F-bombs. | ||
| So the guy comes out with a sandwich and there's this little fucking peanut half sandwich. | ||
| I go, what the fuck am I going to do with that? | ||
| And he's like, I'm sorry. | ||
| I was like, where's the other half? | ||
| And he's like, that's it, sir. | ||
| And I was like, bro, I need another fucking sandwich. | ||
| He's like, uh. | ||
| I'm going to have to charge you for it. | ||
| And I was like, charge me, dude. | ||
| What have you got to do, bro? | ||
| I'm fucking hungry. | ||
| And, like, literally everybody behind me in line just started dispersing and, like, left the store. | ||
| And my buddy was like, bro, I can't take you anywhere around here. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It was rough, man. | ||
| How old were you back then? | ||
| Probably maybe 20, 20 years old, maybe. | ||
| Yeah, see, that's a different Mark Della Grotti and a different San Francisco. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| San Francisco was like super calm, lefty back then. | ||
| Now San Francisco's different. | ||
| San Francisco is homeless people projectile shitting into the streets. | ||
| Yeah, and really expensive real estate and tech dorts who speak in, they have a specific language in San Francisco. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's called upspeak. | ||
| Is that a fact? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is how I describe it as a language, but tech people in San Francisco, and if you're a tech person in San Francisco and you do this, stop it. | ||
| Because they do this. | ||
| They talk to you. | ||
| Like, here's the deal. | ||
| Like, what we're trying to do with our startup. | ||
| Stop it, please. | ||
| So the end of all, you know, the car at the car. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When the Thai talk like that. | ||
| That's the San Francisco 20. San Francisco's version of that is up speak. | ||
| Fuck, dude. | ||
| I kill myself. | ||
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And... | |
| Goes up. | ||
| So what we're trying to... | ||
| And what it is is like they're faking it. | ||
| They're trying to... | ||
| Like when you want to pretend to be intelligent or tech savvy or in... | ||
| And it's a very left-wing thing, too. | ||
| It's only people who are super liberal and super progressive. | ||
| Like you can't say... | ||
| You couldn't talk like that and go... | ||
| Donald Trump, although he's problematic, has some really good points in regards to business. | ||
| Like, you couldn't say that. | ||
| Bro, please stop. | ||
| I've heard enough. | ||
| There was a lot of good combat sports come out of San Francisco, though. | ||
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Absolutely, man. | |
| Think about, like, the history of, like, you got the Gracie Baja contingent up there. | ||
| You know, Half Gracie has got one of the, like, Northern California, they have one of the best areas. | ||
| The Bay Area is just saturated. | ||
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Yeah, it's awesome for Mosh Lock. | |
| Dave Terrell, the Diaz brothers, obviously, Cesar Gracie, and then you had Alex Gong used to be up there. | ||
| Sean, I was just going to say, the Fairtex crew, that old school Fairtex crew, Alex Gong, Johnson on Fairtex. | ||
| Did they ever catch the guy who killed him? | ||
| Yeah, I think he killed himself, actually. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Alex Gong got killed, and someone did something, and he went out, like someone would fuck with his car or something like that, and he went outside, and someone murdered him. | ||
| The way I heard it was he was training in the gym and somebody sideswiped or hit his car or something. | ||
| It was something like that. | ||
| He ran down the street after him in a pair of fucking boxing gloves, which probably wasn't, you know, I mean, obviously you see some fucking savage running up to your window with a pair of boxing gloves on. | ||
| So the guy shot him. | ||
| But I think the guy had some mental history and he was like, you know, he was unstable or something like that. | ||
| From what I understood, I thought the guy actually committed suicide. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Suspect. | ||
| Yep, you're right. | ||
| Suspect and kickboxer shooting killed himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was fucked up, man. | ||
| What a waste, though, huh? | ||
| Yeah, a guy crashed into his parked car, so he chafed after him. | ||
| There it is, yeah. | ||
| I just fucking thought I was making shit up for a minute there. | ||
| Nah, man, that's sad, man. | ||
| He was a great fighter, man. | ||
| I remember watching, like, remember, like, ISK, like, kickboxing back in the day when, like, the Fairtex crew from Chandler, Arizona? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, who was the big guy? | ||
| Ganyal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Johnson on Fairtex. | ||
| N Fairtex. | ||
| Who was the other guy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was the smaller guy, too? | ||
| I forget his name. | ||
| I'm drawing a blank. | ||
| But that whole Fairtex crew, man, back in the day, man, they came from Thailand and just fucking threw up this aluminum building in Chandler, Arizona, in the desert, and just started fucking flying people in to fucking learn Muay Thai. | ||
| And they were kicking ass, dude. | ||
| They kicked everybody's ass back in the day, that ISK kickboxing scene. | ||
| Well, when you started fighting, there were very few people that were, like, formally trained in Muay Thai in our area, in the Boston area. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| We knew Rich Vasopoli. | ||
| Oh, man, what a name. | ||
| Remember him? | ||
| He died in the triathlon, too, didn't he? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Got kicked in the head while he was swimming and drowned. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| That is crazy, man. | ||
| Of all the shit you did in your life, you fucking got kicked by a swimmer and drowned. | ||
| Yeah, and he was like, you know, all... | ||
| He was done fighting. | ||
| He was in his 40s. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He was chilling at the time. | ||
| It's funny you say that, man, because back in the day, I thought about this coming out here. | ||
| You know, I remember the first pair of Muay Thai shorts I saw. | ||
| I was like, dude, that's funky, those weird letters on the front. | ||
| And it was... | ||
| I don't know if you remember a guy named Ed Bavlock. | ||
| I think his name was Kim Akai. | ||
| He's in Australia. | ||
| He was a Siatong guy, too. | ||
| I remember that name. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| He was like... | ||
| I remember back in the day, he was one of the first guys in the area to... | ||
| Have a pair of Muay Thai shorts and he was training with Dana Rosenblatt, Joe Lake. | ||
| Remember that whole crew? | ||
| It's funny because we have similar backgrounds in martial arts in terms of Boston. | ||
| We never ran into each other back then. | ||
| I think you were a little bit ahead of me at the time. | ||
| I was probably on my way out too. | ||
| When I was starting to train with Joe Lake, I started training with Joe Lake when I was teaching in Revere. | ||
| I was teaching at Nautilus Plus. | ||
| The Dakota's family owned that joint. | ||
| Yeah, so I was teaching Taekwondo there. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And Joe Lake was lifting weights over there. | ||
| And Joe Lake came in. | ||
| He saw we had heavy bags and the whole setup. | ||
| And then he started talking to me and asking me questions. | ||
| And we made a deal where he would teach me how to box and I would teach him how to kick. | ||
| And so he came over. | ||
| And we started doing some, you know, some mitt work and doing some things. | ||
| Then I started working with him and Dana Rosenblatt. | ||
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That's right. | |
| And Dana was only, he was in high school at the time. | ||
| Yeah, I went to Malden Catholic with him. | ||
| Yeah, I think I was 20 and I think Dana was 18. Yeah. | ||
| 17, 18, something like that. | ||
| He began his career as a kickboxer, that's right. | ||
| He began his career as a kickboxer and there was no money in it and he was doing well with his hands. | ||
| I convinced him to stop kickboxing and he convinced me to stop fighting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| From sparring with each other. | ||
| And he went on to sell real estate. | ||
| I think he does that now. | ||
| He's successful in real estate. | ||
| He had a really successful boxing career, too. | ||
| He stopped Terry Norris. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Who's the guy who used to be the boxing coach? | ||
| Howard Davis Jr. He stopped him. | ||
| Remember him? | ||
| He was the boxing coach at ATT. Yep. | ||
| I know exactly who you're talking about. | ||
| He beat some good guys. | ||
| He beat some real good fighters. | ||
| He was a southpaw, too, wasn't he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He's a tough kid. | ||
| But he also came up... | ||
| One of the things that I've said about... | ||
| One of the things that I learned from my kickboxing training was how dangerous it is to meathead spar. | ||
| And all we did was meathead spar. | ||
| Back then, that's... | ||
| I mean, it started off with, like, you know, me and my brother with, like, you know, hockey helmets and hockey gloves and trying that out. | ||
| And then, little by little, it was like, all right, well, you know, get into a gym and start boxing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, I remember the first time I went to a boxing gym in, like, the Boston area, man. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Back then, you went to a boxing gym. | ||
| I remember literally my coach setting me up for sparring at a boxing club. | ||
| He's like, alright, you realize you're the new guy. | ||
| I was like, yeah. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| They all know each other. | ||
| They don't know you. | ||
| You've got a big target on your back. | ||
| I remember the night before I would go spar, it felt like a fight. | ||
| I was like, dude, I'm in a fight. | ||
| I'd get to the gym and it was on, dude. | ||
| Back then, it was like... | ||
| It was extremely unintelligent, you know, but that's, we were cavemen at the time. | ||
| That's all we knew. | ||
| I remember, you know, there were holes in the walls that like Rich Vassopoulis did from people getting knocked back and the sheetrock was like banged up. | ||
| The sheetrock. | ||
| Crazy, man. | ||
| We didn't know any better though at the time. | ||
| Well, I knew Rich Vasopoli from Dana. | ||
| I became friends with Dana. | ||
| We started training together. | ||
| And then we would sometimes train over at Rich's place. | ||
| And that was when I got introduced into Muay Thai. | ||
| Because one of Dana's friends had gone to Thailand. | ||
| And he had done some training over there and come back. | ||
| And that's when I realized how effective leg kicks were. | ||
| I'd never been leg kicked before, except by accident. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then once I realized like shins to thigh, like how much damage that does and how easy... | ||
| There was two revelations that happened to me. | ||
| One was how easy it was for me to get punched in the face. | ||
| That was when I first started boxing. | ||
| Coming from a traditional martial arts background. | ||
| Taekwondo, yeah. | ||
| Taekwondo was so delusional. | ||
| I started off in Taekwondo as well, too. | ||
| You couldn't punch to the face. | ||
| So you had a very distorted perception of what you could get away with in a fight where there was no rules. | ||
| You just had this real... | ||
| I had the same reality check. | ||
| Yeah, so boxing alone was not good. | ||
| Kickboxing was better because I could create some distance, but it was still way easier than I liked to get punched in the face. | ||
| But then Muay Thai was a big one because the moment you take that first leg kick and you feel the thud and you're like, oh shit! | ||
| It's that easy? | ||
| It's that easy to diminish me. | ||
| Like almost instantaneously you're diminished. | ||
| I feel it as you're talking about it. | ||
| I took a low kick from Peter Ertz in Thailand. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| And oddly enough, another trip was Pedro Hizzo. | ||
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He's so big. | |
| Oh no! | ||
| He might be the worst. | ||
| Bro, I'm telling you, I thought my femur fucking cracked in half. | ||
| Never felt pain like that before. | ||
| From Peter or from Pedro? | ||
| Both at different times. | ||
| Pedro's the scariest guy I've ever seen kick a bag. | ||
| I've never seen anybody kick a bag so hard. | ||
| I agree, man. | ||
| I trained with him a little bit in Thailand back in the day. | ||
| We used to train at a gym called ISS, which was like a take-off of Sia Tong. | ||
| We sold some fighters and some trainers to a friend of Korea Tong's, and we would train on the roof of this building on Sukhumvit Highway in the sun with a canopy above us. | ||
| It was pretty rough, but Peter Ertz was there training at the time, and Pedro Hizzo came through there. | ||
| I mean, I was a lot smaller than them, obviously, but Jude. | ||
| Why did you spar with them? | ||
| They're heavyweights. | ||
| Because I'm retarded, dude. | ||
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Fucking stupid. | |
| Because it was the opportunity, man. | ||
| They're like, oh, we need guys. | ||
| I was actually helping someone else, another one of my stablemates get ready, and he just happened to be there, and he's like, oh, man, let's move around a little bit. | ||
| And I was like, this is probably not a good idea, but it's an honor. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I'm partially proud of getting kicked in the leg by those guys, but I probably shouldn't have done that. | ||
| Dude, what's worse though nowadays that you see is the calf kicks. | ||
| More damage from those, man. | ||
| There's no meat down there. | ||
| Dude, I'll take the kicks all day long on the thigh now, man. | ||
| That tender area. | ||
| I remember losing a fight in Thailand. | ||
| I didn't really have an extensive career as a fighter, but I did have some quality fights that were valuable lessons to me. | ||
| And I remember I was blocking wrong. | ||
| You know, the whole thing, every time he low kicked, I would block and I would take it right where the calf kick goes, like on the low part of the shin. | ||
| And I was pointing my toes down. | ||
| There's always controversy of toes down, toes up. | ||
| I always teach toes up to flex the shin muscle, to flex the muscle around the shin bone. | ||
| And I was blocking wrong. | ||
| And I'll never forget that, man. | ||
| I was bedridden from blocking kicks the wrong way. | ||
| And it was that same area where there's, like you said, there's no- How long were you bedridden for? | ||
| Two weeks, probably. | ||
| I remember like trying to go to like, It was in Thailand. | ||
| I came back from Thailand. | ||
| Dude, it was a rough flight. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Lots of pain medication for that flight. | ||
| But I remember literally after some of the fights that I've had, I was literally bedridden. | ||
| Couldn't go to family barbecues and shit. | ||
| Just like, dude, I can't get up. | ||
| I can't walk. | ||
| Well, it's one of those kicks in the UFC that we've seen emerge over the last few years. | ||
| And I always give credit to Benson Henderson for being the first guy to start doing it. | ||
| It's funny you say that because I threw a layup to Anik the last show. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| But maybe we might... | ||
| And it's like, yeah, I'm not mentioning that name. | ||
| Benson Henderson? | ||
| You want to mention Benson? | ||
| Because he's over in Bellator now? | ||
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Correct. | |
| I mean, it is what it is. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| J.A. You got to give it up to Benson. | ||
| Dude, I said it. | ||
| I said, man, you know, just a quick tip, like a little fun fact, you know, Benson Henderson's the guy that really kicked that off, you know, for lack of a better term. | ||
| And he's like... | ||
| Yeah, copy that. | ||
| He's like, yeah, I'm not going to mention that name. | ||
| I was like, all right, cool. | ||
| Respect. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You got to do what you got to do to stay alive in this world. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We got to eat. | ||
| He was the first, though, but he didn't have the same effectiveness for whatever reason that these guys do now. | ||
| There's guys now that are doing it where you see one kick in, the guy's fucked. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| And it's such a lower risk for the takedown, too, because you're not traveling that far. | ||
| The higher you kick, the more risk for the takedown. | ||
| It just seems awful. | ||
| The legs just immediately stop working right. | ||
| I've had a few of my athletes suffer some serious trauma from those kicks and fights, man. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| And you can't really prep for those. | ||
| You really can't. | ||
| It's just all about managing distance, controlling the range, because you can't really check it. | ||
| It's too low to check. | ||
| And you can't condition it. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| There's nothing to really do with it, other than just, like I said, you've got to manage distance properly. | ||
| So you just either weigh in or weigh out. | ||
| But in that middle, you get kicked like that, man. | ||
| Ouchie. | ||
| What are your thoughts on this Robert Whittaker kick? | ||
| I mean, I call it the Robert Whittaker kick because Yoel Romero fucked him up with it in their first fight, that sidekick to the knee. | ||
| I'll refer to it as John Jones, really. | ||
| John Jones, Winkle John. | ||
| It's actually illegal in some commissions, right? | ||
| Is it legal? | ||
| I think it's illegal. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's illegal in some commissions don't allow it because of the danger of attacking the joint. | ||
| I have a hard time accepting that, because it's okay to attack your fucking face. | ||
| Why is it okay for me to kick you in the face, but it's not okay for me to kick you in the knee? | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Well, they say that, you know, and even in Thai boxing, you're not supposed to deliberately attack the joint. | ||
| Yeah, look, John is a master at it. | ||
| It's actually, in Jeet Kune Do, in the philosophy of Bruce Lee, I believe they call it like a, it's a kung fu kick, it's called a dumb tech, I believe. | ||
| Well, the way Winklejohn started teaching it and, you know, the way his students started doing it was the oblique style. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| But then they started doing that sidekick style, too. | ||
| Like, that oblique style is very interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why is my face in there? | ||
| I think that, in my opinion, it's a super, super effective technique. | ||
| And to take it out doesn't make any sense to me if you still allow heel hooks and you still allow... | ||
| I mean, especially since you allow kicks to the fucking head. | ||
| Yeah, true. | ||
| I'm a fan of the kick. | ||
| I'm not against it. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| One of the things I tell fighters all the time is that if you're going to do anything, if you're going to kick me, if you're going to punch me, if you're going to try to take me down, anything, the first thing you need to do is take that step with that lead leg. | ||
| And this is something Bruce Lee talked about in his art and philosophy, but it's always disruption, disrupting that lead leg, stopping that lead leg. | ||
| And the ties use it all the time. | ||
| A lot of times, you know, that teep, the front kick, they teep the leg a lot. | ||
| It's not always taught, like a lot of people overlook it, but I'm a huge fan of attacking that front leg, like teeping the front leg or side kicking the front leg. | ||
| So the first thing they need to do to close distance is take that step. | ||
| Well, anything also to create another variable that the fighter has to think about as they're moving in. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| The worst thing you could ever do with a fighter is give him something that's real clear and easy to plan for. | ||
| You do the same technique over and over again. | ||
| He can time it. | ||
| You have the same predictable series of movements. | ||
| He can time it. | ||
| That's why a guy like Dominic Cruz is so difficult to deal with. | ||
| Because Dominic, good luck predicting that. | ||
| I was just going to say that. | ||
| He's lefty, righty. | ||
| He's swinging from the hips. | ||
| That's actually a good impression. | ||
| Oh, he's so awkward. | ||
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That's good, man. | |
| He is, man. | ||
| But he makes it work for him. | ||
| Fuck yeah, he does. | ||
| And the key thing with him, too, and that it's difficult to do that oblique kick or that front stop kick is the lateral movement. | ||
| If you're going straight in all the time and you're walking straight into that, you're going to be susceptible. | ||
| Dominic's always stepping off to the side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whether he's a lefty or a righty, he's always creating an angle, which is huge in combat. | ||
| You know who does that oblique kick fucking better than anybody? | ||
| Lorenz Larkin. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Lorenz Larkin throws that shit to the body like a sidekick and sends dudes flying. | ||
| Remember when he fought Neil Magny? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| Dude, he's a stud, that guy. | ||
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He's clean. | |
| I watched him warm up. | ||
| I think he fought in the Boston show. | ||
| I think at the time I was training. | ||
| Yeah, look at this. | ||
| Look how he throws that shit to the body. | ||
| Dude, he's a stud, man. | ||
| You know, I don't know why he wasn't as successful as he could have been or should have been. | ||
| Well, here's what happened. | ||
| He went over to Bellator and he immediately fought Lima. | ||
| Okay, Lima's a fucking monster. | ||
| He loses a decision to Lima. | ||
| Then he gets into a slugfest with Paul motherfucking Daly, who might have the best left hook the world's ever known. | ||
| Danger. | ||
| For MMA. Yes. | ||
| I mean, you don't want to take away boxers. | ||
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Beast. | |
| Beast. | ||
| Look at that fucking left hook he's got. | ||
| It's just insane. | ||
| Dude, I met him back in the day. | ||
| The first time I went over to London, we did a show called Cage Rage. | ||
| And I took Jorge Rivera over there. | ||
| Great fights over Cage Rage. | ||
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Yeah, man. | |
| It was awesome. | ||
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And Paul Daly, Michael Bisping, Anderson Silva. | |
| We played that the other day. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Because Jorge was just teeing off on him from the clinch. | ||
| And Anderson was just taking it on the chin. | ||
| Want to hear a funny story? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I see Anderson. | ||
| All I can see is like, George has got his back to me. | ||
| Jorge has got his back to me. | ||
| And so they're pummeling and they're in the center of the cage. | ||
| And they're kind of in a tie clinch. | ||
| George is throwing vicious uppercuts, vicious uppercuts and overhands and uppercuts to dirty boxing. | ||
| He was a knockout striker. | ||
| He was, man. | ||
| He had thunder in his hands and he's throwing like these big bombs over the top, everything. | ||
| And all I can see because George's backs to me, I can't see Anderson's face. | ||
| All I can see is his head bobbling, you know, taking the hits. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, yeah, go, go, go! | ||
| And then over George's shoulder, I see Anderson's face and he's laughing at George. | ||
| I'm like, fuck! | ||
| And then he just blitzed them. | ||
| How did he do that? | ||
| Did he roll with them slightly? | ||
| Like, what did he do? | ||
| Dude, I think it's all a matter of like, you know, using your shoulders to protect impact, you know, shrugging, so to say. | ||
| The first thing is bite. | ||
| First line of defense, bite down. | ||
| Second line of defense, brace your neck, you know, and he just... | ||
| Dude, I mean, he's got a fucking pumpkin head. | ||
| He's got a big dome, dude. | ||
| Well, I mean, but you stop and think about later in his career, he couldn't take those kind of shots. | ||
| Yeah, they add up after a while, I guess. | ||
| But back in the day, man, I remember coming into that, you know, I had followed Muay Thai, I'd followed Shootbox, I'd follow, you know, Pele, those guys. | ||
| So I knew Anderson Silva. | ||
| A lot of people were like, oh, is this guy Anderson Silva? | ||
| He's coming over. | ||
| A lot of people didn't know him. | ||
| So I knew what we were getting into. | ||
| I knew what type of fight it was. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The funny thing is when he came to the UFC, remember he debuted, I was there at the Hot Rock, the joint against Chris Lieben. | ||
| And everybody's like, oh dude, the bets. | ||
| I was like, I saw the odds at the Mandalay and I was like, dude, I'm all over this. | ||
| It was just something crazy. | ||
| I forget at the time, but they had Lieben being the favorite. | ||
| I was like, dude, nobody knows him. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I knew him. | ||
| Yeah, I knew him too, man. | ||
| I remember during the promo, one of the things I said is, you've got to be ready for this guy. | ||
| This is a different animal you're experiencing. | ||
| Same with Rich Franklin, man. | ||
| Rich is my boy. | ||
| Love you, Rich. | ||
| But, you know, I bet the fucking house on that. | ||
| And I did really well because the odds would just say everybody thought Rich was just going to steamroll him. | ||
| Well, particularly because Rich was a stand-up fighter, primarily. | ||
| And he had a ground game. | ||
| And he was on top at the time. | ||
| I mean, he was way on top. | ||
| But Anderson was just on a whole different level coming into the mixed martial arts, coming into the UFC. He was just on a whole different level. | ||
| Especially the style that Chris Lieben had. | ||
| His style was so perfectly tailored for Anderson's style. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Walk forward, throw bombs. | ||
| Anderson's like a smooth, retreating, defensive fighter. | ||
| These came from Thailand. | ||
| Pretty cool. | ||
| I had them shipped over. | ||
| Pretty dope, right? | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| Chinese, I believe. | ||
| Are they? | ||
| Yeah, they're not Thai, I think. | ||
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Damn. | |
| They're more of a Chinese. | ||
| Damn, they got me. | ||
| More of a Chinese influence. | ||
| No, they are dope, man. | ||
| Thailand was sick, huh? | ||
| Loved it, man. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Cage Rage was an interesting place because that was a wild west of fights. | ||
| Remember when Lee Murray fought Anderson Silva? | ||
| Yep, I do. | ||
| They almost got into a brawl with the weigh-ins. | ||
| Dude, Lee Murray, apparently, when I started going over there, they were like, everybody's a gangster. | ||
| Everybody's a fucking gangster. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| This motherfucker is real gangster. | ||
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He's... | |
| It doesn't get any more gangster. | ||
| He used to deliver ticket sales, money from ticket sales, and a black leather duffel bag just stacked with fucking pounds. | ||
| I'm just like, who is this guy? | ||
| And the promoters, Dave and Andy, I think at the time. | ||
| We're like, no, mate, he's a legit gangster. | ||
| And I was like, whoa. | ||
| Do you remember when he got stabbed in the heart in a knife fight and then was training six weeks later? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do remember that. | ||
| I don't recall details, but I do remember something to that effect. | ||
| London Shoe Fighters, our good buddy Marius, was training at 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| He came to L.A. to learn Jiu-Jitsu, and he was one of the head guys over at London Shoe Fighter. | ||
| So I got to get in with those guys. | ||
| Yep, I'm familiar with the camp, yeah. | ||
| Before all that shit was going on. | ||
| And he was telling me about Lee Murray way early, like back in 2000. So it was way early, way back in the early days. | ||
| It's so funny too because somebody brought it to my attention like, dude, did you see Lee Murray's fucking palace in Morocco? | ||
| He took the money and ran, bro. | ||
| He made it. | ||
| A poster of Jorge. | ||
| Dude, listen, it's a mural. | ||
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A mural? | |
| It's like a 30 by 30 foot fucking mural. | ||
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Made out of stone. | |
| Something like on his wall. | ||
| And he's putting the armbar on George Rivera. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And on the back of George's shorts there's a big sityourtongue.com. | ||
| I'm like, fuck! | ||
| The only time I didn't want the plug. | ||
| Well, he caught him in a triangle, right? | ||
| Was it a triangle? | ||
| Yeah, a triangle. | ||
| That came, you know... | ||
| That was unexpected, you know. | ||
| But, you know, it was tough, man. | ||
| You know, George was a very emotional fighter. | ||
| You know, he had a rough upbringing with his family. | ||
| You know, he's very connected to his family. | ||
| And, you know, it was a rollercoaster working with that dude, man. | ||
| But he was my first, man. | ||
| You never forget your first, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He was a great dude, man. | ||
| He had talent. | ||
| That's for damn sure. | ||
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He sure did, man. | |
| He did well, man. | ||
| If you go back and look, like, he fought, like... | ||
| The who's who's of the UFC. Everybody he fought was legit. | ||
| There was never a dull moment of any fights that George had. | ||
| He had a good run for a while there. | ||
| It was the early days, too. | ||
| Dude, I remember when we first started doing shows. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| There's another picture, too. | ||
| It's a weird mural, too, because this guy, like, go large on that again. | ||
| Yeah, there's another one, too. | ||
| Because, like, the proportions are off, so whoever did it was kind of a shit artist. | ||
| He might have actually done that himself. | ||
| He might have actually fucking had someone come in and put some numbers up and fucking paint my numbers. | ||
| The old UFC logo. | ||
| He's got the Mandalay Bay logo. | ||
| That is hilarious. | ||
| See, it's got him getting him in the triangle. | ||
| But look at the one when he's flexing. | ||
| That's not even the same dude. | ||
| Look, they added all this extra meat to his lats and his lower tricep area. | ||
| I've seen another one, too. | ||
| He might have a few in his fucking house of murals of himself. | ||
| It's so ridiculous. | ||
| Why one image of the two of them clinching? | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| How bizarre. | ||
| Why put that picture in? | ||
| His quads are yoked up though. | ||
| Moroccan dude. | ||
| I'm a big fan of clinch. | ||
| We put the clinch in. | ||
| I want the Mendeley Bale scale. | ||
| You, I make your arms bigger. | ||
| And then when you get him in a triangle, I'll make you tan. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm just gonna say he's not even the same tan. | ||
| He's a different guy. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that his place? | ||
| So he's still in the pokey. | ||
| For people who don't know, Lee Murray was a part of one of the biggest armed robberies. | ||
| I think the biggest in the history of the UK. Yeah. | ||
| Huge money they made away with. | ||
| Millions and millions of dollars. | ||
| And some of it's still missing. | ||
| Millions of pounds, I think. | ||
| Do the trend. | ||
| Yeah, there he is. | ||
| He would go out with a fucking mask on like Hannibal Lecter. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that walk. | ||
| 53 million pounds. | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| Pounds. | ||
| 53. What's the conversion on that, Jamie? | ||
| That's ridiculous money. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to tell. | ||
| At the time, we would have to go back in time and figure out what it was. | ||
| That's a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think a lot of it is still missing. | ||
| But yeah, they had ninja masks on. | ||
| They were dressed like they were in that movie Heat. | ||
| I thought there was no extradition from Morocco. | ||
| That's why he fled? | ||
| They ended up extraditing him? | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| But yeah, I thought that too. | ||
| Wasn't that where Badr Hari went to? | ||
| Badr Hari was like, fuck this, I'm going to Morocco, son. | ||
| Come catch me now. | ||
| But they always want to wind up leaving. | ||
| Badr Hari, he did his time. | ||
| He went over, came back. | ||
| Badr Hari got arrested for stomping a man's shin in half. | ||
| Yeah, there was some sort of a dispute in a nightclub, and Badr Hari does not play. | ||
| There's a video of him walking into a hotel, and the hotel guy says something stupid to him, so he goes behind the counter and smacks him in the face. | ||
| Imagine that guy. | ||
| It's my hotel. | ||
| He's a fucking giant, too. | ||
| He's like 6'5", world heavyweight kickboxing champion, and a ferocious, terrifying man who fucks up grown-ass people. | ||
| Yeah, here's a video. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what the guy said, but Botter Hart was like, what? | ||
| Excuse me? | ||
| What the fuck did you just say? | ||
| He probably said some shit like, welcome to the Marriott. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're going to have to see a credit card. | ||
| Look, he gets right behind the counter. | ||
| He smacks him in the back of the head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The way he did it, it's like super dangerous. | ||
| Super scary looking too. | ||
| He like stalks him, walks him down, staring at him. | ||
| And he smacked him very dismissively. | ||
| He wasn't like worried about a counter. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He like smacked him like a little kid in the back of the head. | ||
| He hit him with the tips of his fingers. | ||
| He was just like, hey, hey, who the fuck are you talking to? | ||
| You gotta pick and choose your battles wisely, man. | ||
| If I saw Badahari walking towards me and like... | ||
| Hello, sir. | ||
| How can I help you? | ||
| Yeah, what may I do for you? | ||
| Credit card? | ||
| That's not necessary. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Your suite is ready. | ||
| Can I get your bags? | ||
| Yeah, champagne will be brought up to the room. | ||
| Oh, he's Muslim. | ||
| He probably doesn't drink, right? | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's a beast, man. | ||
| His coffee's good. | ||
| He's supposed to be on his way back, right? | ||
| He fought Rico Verhoeven and he broke his arm in some freak incident in the first round. | ||
| He's breaking shin bones, breaking arms. | ||
| I think he broke his arm. | ||
| He fought Rico and I think he was blocking a kick and his arm just broke. | ||
| And he realized that somewhere in the middle of the round, he's like, we gotta stop. | ||
| He's just like, this is broken. | ||
| Who just broke the arm recently during the fight? | ||
| Was it Paul Felder? | ||
| Yeah, Felder did with the spinning back fist. | ||
| I saw it coming, man. | ||
| That fucking spinning back fist is... | ||
| Dude, you always read the spin kicks. | ||
| No matter how many angles I have in that fucking truck, no matter what I'm looking at, as much experience as I have, You read the spin shit, like you see it coming a mile away. | ||
| Is it just because you have so much experience with the spin kicks? | ||
| That was my shit! | ||
| Dude, that was your shit. | ||
| But you see it like a lot of times you're like, he's setting up that spin. | ||
| Well, guys load up their hips. | ||
| That was my number one technique from when I was fighting was spinning back kick to the body. | ||
| I just knew that it was such a short amount of time that I needed to deliver it. | ||
| And if you were in range and I hit you, you're fucksville. | ||
| So I knew there was just like this... | ||
| We've laughed about this before because I tell you, like, I've never held for a kick as hard as yours. | ||
| And I was like, ah, come on, dude. | ||
| Don't honeydick me. | ||
| You bullshit me. | ||
| Bro, it's not fun holding pads for you. | ||
| There's times, like, where you're texting me and I'm just like, fuck. | ||
| Fuck, don't return the text. | ||
| Don't go. | ||
| Don't go to Syndicate or don't go to Performance Institute and hold pads for Joe. | ||
| Dude, I remember one time I held pads for Joe. | ||
| And I remember literally, like, I couldn't grip a coffee mug to, like, drink. | ||
| My forearms was so trashy. | ||
| I remember that night pushing talkback buttons on the truck, at the truck. | ||
| And I was, like, fatigued. | ||
| Just my fingers wouldn't function. | ||
| Bro, I'm telling you no bullshit. | ||
| I've held for a lot of guys. | ||
| I've held for a lot of fighters, a lot of big guys, small guys. | ||
| I've never held... | ||
| And that's a round kick. | ||
| That's not even some spin shit that you do. | ||
| Just the basic Thai round kick. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| Nasty. | ||
| You did it on that machine, too, didn't you? | ||
| What were the numbers on it? | ||
| Something silly like... | ||
| Well, there's a guy who's figured out how to beat my number. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A guy at the Performance Institute. | ||
| I got 152,000. | ||
| And the dude got 188,000. | ||
| And what he realized is... | ||
| If you hit it with the instep, the number's larger than if you hit it with the shin. | ||
| I gotta hit it with the instep, but I'm healing a slight meniscus tear that I got when I was doing it with Joe Schilling with no warm-up, wearing jeans like a fucking asshole at 50 years old. | ||
| Full blast kick, no warm-up. | ||
| That's that dick measuring testosterone. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
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You want to kick, dude? | |
| Let's go. | ||
| We're hanging out. | ||
| We're having a good time. | ||
| And Joe Schilling's here. | ||
| And he's kicking that thing. | ||
| Game on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he got some pretty good numbers. | ||
| You know, he was smashing it. | ||
| He's a mean dude. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| He's a sweetheart, though, man. | ||
| You know, he's such a cool guy, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's fucking terrifying. | ||
| Well, I was talking to someone about him, and they were saying that he's one of the most risk-taking elite fighters you'll ever see. | ||
| He's a real elite kickboxer, but he's been knocked out before and stopped before just because he's not risk-averse. | ||
| He'll take big risks, but it's one of the reasons why he's so fucking exciting. | ||
| Yep, exactly. | ||
| I was just going to say the same thing. | ||
| That's what the fans want to see, man. | ||
| They don't want to see conservatives trying to... | ||
| He's a fan favorite for sure. | ||
| You can't stop crazy. | ||
| That whole way of looking at things and his whole motto. | ||
| That's why I like the bonuses with the UFC and all that. | ||
| Dana putting that together. | ||
| I remember back in the day, one of the early fighter meetings, we'd do the weigh-ins and then Dana would be like, all right, fighters only, backstage. | ||
| They do fighters only. | ||
| No coaches, no corners. | ||
| And Dana's like, Yeah, you know game plan? | ||
| You know strategy? | ||
| Fuck all that. | ||
| Just go for it. | ||
| You want to get paid? | ||
| Go. | ||
| And one of the examples he would use is Chris Lytle. | ||
| Remember Chris Lytle? | ||
| He had a losing record in the UFC, but he just went for it every time and would bonus all the time. | ||
| I wouldn't give that speech. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'd give a very different speech. | ||
| What would your speech consist of? | ||
| Fight your best fight. | ||
| Fight the way you're supposed to fight. | ||
| That was the message, but the idea was don't leave it out there. | ||
| Don't be conservative. | ||
| You can leave it out there if you want. | ||
| Your opponent might not. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| Fighting is very important to me. | ||
| It means a lot. | ||
| It means a lot because I used to do it. | ||
| It means a lot because I love to watch it. | ||
| It means a lot because I'm very deeply entrenched in the history and the significance of it, what it means. | ||
| And for me, fighting should always be done at its best. | ||
| And what that means is you should always do what's the right thing to do in the situation. | ||
| Like... | ||
| You could break it down with individual arts, right? | ||
| If you're doing jujitsu, there's a correct way to do an armbar counter, right? | ||
| Don't do the incorrect way because the fans want to see it. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| If there's an exciting way to get out of an armbar that's not the right way to do it, but the fans like it. | ||
| Well, pick him up and slam him works if you have to, but I'm saying, just as a rough example, if there was a way to defend an arm bar that wasn't the correct way to do it, but the fans liked it more, don't do that. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| You want to fight like a maestro. | ||
| You want to fight like a virtuoso. | ||
| You want to fight like Mighty Mouse. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So what I tell everybody, Mighty Mouse has had moments in his career, like the Ian McCall fight is a good example, where he also had a full-time job. | ||
| Wasn't dedicated the way should be and got into a brawl and Ian took his back wound up pounding him and Mighty Mouse had vertigo after that fight. | ||
| He was really fucked up and and then quit his job Realized like I have to go full-time. | ||
| I have to dedicate myself to this full-time You know and when he did that then under the tutelage of Matt Hume he became the Mighty Mouse we see now But in my opinion one of the things that sets him apart from everybody else is that he He's not running away from you and not getting hit. | ||
| He's running at you and not getting hit. | ||
| He's coming straight forward and then cutting angles and doing things to you that you didn't anticipate and he's not there for the counters. | ||
| So he's fighting correctly. | ||
| Seamless, too. | ||
| Yeah, and it's incredibly exciting. | ||
| And that was one of the criticisms of him really early on in his reign, was that he wasn't finishing guys. | ||
| And then he knocked out Joseph Benavidez, and then he started finishing guys in the final seconds of the round. | ||
| I mean, he's just a monster, man. | ||
| He is, man. | ||
| He's a fucking monster. | ||
| But he fights correctly. | ||
| I would say, no disrespect to Chris Lytle, who I love, he's a great fighter. | ||
| I was just watching his fight against Brian Foster. | ||
| He was so skilled. | ||
| People forgot how good Chris Lytle was. | ||
| He won that fight with a leg lock. | ||
| He's known as a brawler. | ||
| People forget. | ||
| He fucking spun around, got that leg and snatched it out and extended it and really fucked Brian's leg up. | ||
| Crafty veteran. | ||
| He was a crafty guy, but brawled a lot. | ||
| I'm not a fan of brawls. | ||
| I'm a fan of watching brawls when they take place. | ||
| I'm not a fan as well either. | ||
| I'm more of a fan of I train a lot of my guys almost defensively, like backing up, like retreat fighting. | ||
| Constantly trying to jockey for position. | ||
| I call it the right place, right time, all the time in that line of fire. | ||
| We're jockeying for that position. | ||
| A lot of times it's easier just to take a step back. | ||
| If we're fighting each other, we're standing in front of each other, I take a step back, what do you naturally do? | ||
| You walk to me. | ||
| So it's the timing of catching them on the way in. | ||
| Great fighters, in my opinion, are more defensive fighters. | ||
| Like you said earlier about Chris Lieben coming in with Anderson Silva, Forrest Griffin trying to attack. | ||
| You're more vulnerable recklessly, like you said, brawling recklessly, coming in against somebody skilled as Anderson Silva or Demetrius Johnson. | ||
| I'm a fan of the retreating attack, I call it. | ||
| Anderson was such a retreating attacker, then he had a problem when guys didn't come forward. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Like the stinkers that he had, like Talis Latis. | ||
| Damian Maia, Talis Latis, so painful to watch those fights. | ||
| Patrick Cote. | ||
| Patrick Cote. | ||
| Patrick Cote was very smart when he fought him. | ||
| Patrick took very little damage in that fight. | ||
| I camped him that whole fight. | ||
| I trained him that whole fight. | ||
| I had the experience from Jorge. | ||
| I knew Anderson Silva. | ||
| You know, he spent that entire camp in Boston with me. | ||
| He did have a knee injury going into the fight. | ||
| We knew, like, it was going to be an issue. | ||
| But, you know, I actually said this to him, part of the game plan and strategy, it's funny you say that, was to let him come to you. | ||
| Because Patrick was the type of fighter that was a go-getter. | ||
| He had that big overhand right. | ||
| Iron chin. | ||
| Yeah, he would put pressure on you. | ||
| And I said, Patrick, I'm telling you, you can't fight the way you normally fight against Anderson Silva. | ||
| Even if you hear boos, we're following the game plan. | ||
| If you hear the boos from the crowd, like we're doing the right thing, don't fall victim to it. | ||
| Don't try to lunge at him. | ||
| Don't throw big power punches. | ||
| Let him come to you. | ||
| And we did. | ||
| And that was actually the first time we took Anderson past a third round. | ||
| I think it was either third or the fourth. | ||
| We were actually going into the fourth, I think. | ||
| And he was stepping in to throw a kick and his leg blew out. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That was in Chicago. | ||
| Did he get an MRI before that fight? | ||
| I think, if I remember correctly, he had an issue. | ||
| We knew going into it. | ||
| We didn't want to pull out of the fight. | ||
| How bad was the issue? | ||
| It was pretty severe. | ||
| And after it, I think that was just the icing of the cake. | ||
| It blew out completely during the fight. | ||
| So he had a partial tear of his ACL? Something like that. | ||
| Something to that effect. | ||
| Bring up that fight, Jamie. | ||
| I'm curious now. | ||
| It was a weird blowout because there was a lot of distance between them. | ||
| I was just going to say, it wasn't during an exchange. | ||
| I think, like you said, he went to push off his back foot. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Be curious to see it. | ||
| It's been a while since I visited that. | ||
| Yeah, I just remember not knowing what happened and he fell down. | ||
| Yeah, you called that fight, obviously, right? | ||
| That was before. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Patrick Cote, Anderson Silva. | ||
| From probably 2009? | ||
| Maybe a little later. | ||
| Maybe 9 or 10, yeah. | ||
| Dude, it's a blur at this point. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's a blur, dude. | ||
| I've done like 400 shows. | ||
| Was it 2008? | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, see, that was a while ago, yeah. | ||
| Wow, man. | ||
| That was the rain. | ||
| That was when Anderson, he was the king, but people didn't appreciate him the way they appreciated him after he knocked out Forrest Griffin, Stefan Bonner, after Vitor Belfort, that front kick to the face. | ||
| That's when he became the GOAT. Dude, he was literally feared. | ||
| I think a lot of fighters are just like, that call came and it was like, Anderson Silva, fuck. | ||
| Well, he was also so calm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, there was something about him in those days. | ||
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He was so calm. | |
| Dude, I used to always say this, and I told Jorge this at his cage rage fight with him. | ||
| I said, dude, he beats people at the weigh-ins. | ||
| He's like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, what do you mean? | ||
| He has this thing. | ||
| It's funny, like, when he goes to weigh-in with you, like, you know, normally, like, people go, like, face-to-face, they get real close, like, he would walk up to you as if you're gonna, and then he would thrust his neck forward, like, his head would, like, fucking gadget head. | ||
| Like, would come out, and he would just be all up in your face, and it would, like, surprise you, like, you know? | ||
| And I told Jorge that. | ||
| I said, Jorge, be ready at the weigh-in. | ||
| Like, he's gonna put his face, like, he's gonna cover distance quickly, like, he moves his head, like, fucking shenanay. | ||
| Like, he's like, I don't know you didn't. | ||
| And he puts his head, like, way out, and he did it. | ||
| And I was like, ah, man, there it is. | ||
| Well, that was one of the ways that Chris Lieben overcame him psychologically at the weigh-ins. | ||
| I remember Chris saying, I'm not afraid of you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was looking right at him, and he said, I'm not afraid of you. | ||
| And he probably wasn't, man. | ||
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He wasn't. | |
| He wasn't afraid of him. | ||
| He wasn't afraid of him. | ||
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Nope. | |
| That was Chris when he was in his prime and that's when they were kissing at the weigh-in. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| When Anderson got so close to his face, they were literally lip to lip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Chris didn't budge. | ||
| Somebody just spoke of something about him fighting in that bare knuckle league or something against Phil Barone or something like that. | ||
| Who? | ||
| Chris Lieben versus Phil Barone. | ||
| Chris Lieben. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I said Chris Weidman. | ||
| Oh, Weidman. | ||
| Weidman. | ||
| I did say Weidman, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| Lieben, I thought. | ||
| Did I say Weidman? | ||
| Weedman. | ||
| Weedman. | ||
| Did I say Weidman or Lieben? | ||
| Lieben. | ||
| Okay, I might have fucked up. | ||
| Chris Weidman. | ||
| When Weidman beat him. | ||
| Oh, yeah, he beat him at the weight. | ||
| They got face to face. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he said, yeah, I'm not afraid of you. | ||
| He said, I'm not afraid of you. | ||
| And when he was looking at right at him, he goes, I'm not afraid of you, bro. | ||
| And then you could tell Anderson's like, oh, shit, he's not afraid of you. | ||
| Yeah, and see what happened that night. | ||
| He got tagged, man. | ||
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Well... | |
| What's interesting in that fight, too, is that Anderson could... | ||
| I mean, he was clearly scoring with heavy leg kicks and putting Lieben in jeopardy. | ||
| I mean, he was damaging that leg. | ||
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Lieben. | |
| Did you say Lieben? | ||
| I said it again. | ||
| I said it again. | ||
| What's wrong with me? | ||
| Why am I confusing those two? | ||
| They're both Chris. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Talk about them. | ||
| I should just say Chris. | ||
| Yeah, just say Chris. | ||
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Chris Chris. | |
| When Weidman got him down the first round, almost got him in a leg lock, and then they got back up to the feet, and then Anderson started fucking him up with leg kicks. | ||
| And Anderson was hitting him with some nasty, nasty leg kicks, and he was saying in between rounds, like, Come on, stand up with me. | ||
| Come on, stand up with me. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It was weird that he was doing that. | ||
| It was totally out of character. | ||
| He's like, no, no, we're not going to go do it now. | ||
| Come on, stand up, stand up. | ||
| He had some funky moments in the octagon. | ||
| He'd done the fucking Ong Bak, moving his hands all funky. | ||
| Again, the Vitor before he freaked out. | ||
| I remember there was a couple fights. | ||
| Well, the fight with Damien Maia was the weirdest. | ||
| That's the one I'm referring to. | ||
| He psychologically fell apart in that fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was screaming at Damien Maia and yelling things at him, and Damien Maia's just still plugging away. | ||
| He took a lot of shots in that fight, but then was there third, fourth, and fifth when Anderson wasn't doing shit. | ||
| Anderson was just moving away from him. | ||
| Was that the fight? | ||
| There was one fight, too, where he was in the center of the octagon controlling, beating up, striking, and I forget who it was. | ||
| It might have been Damien Maia. | ||
| It might have been somebody else, but he actually stopped and stepped back and put his back to the fence. | ||
| And say, come on, come on, let's fight on the fence now. | ||
| And he like backed himself up. | ||
| That was Stefan Bonner. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And that's when he got caught with a spinning elbow, was it? | ||
| No, Stefan Bonner tried to spinning back kick him and he just slid out of the way and then went right back to the fence and went, come on, come on back here. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it was, exactly. | ||
| And then he fucked him up. | ||
| I think he hit him with a knee to the body and then dropped him and then beat the shit out of him. | ||
| He was just so calm and relaxed in there and Bonner was so stiff and tight. | ||
| And I think that was in Brazil too. | ||
| Was it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I worked with Stefan for a bunch of fights. | ||
| I didn't work with him for that fight. | ||
| I don't recall him. | ||
| That was also a fight where I think Bonner pissed hot. | ||
| I think he had an opportunity. | ||
| Yeah, I think he's just like, listen, I got some injuries, but I'm just going to juice it up. | ||
| Dude, pissed hot is better than shit hot, because when he fought Sam Hogar at the Thomas Mac Arena, he fucking shit himself during the fight. | ||
| Sam Hogar was like, bro, he's on top, and they're grappling. | ||
| He's like, bro, you fucking stink. | ||
| You shit yourself. | ||
| And he's like, yes, I did. | ||
| And the worst part about it is we come backstage, you know the Thai cups, they like the string up, the butt crack. | ||
| He's like, coach, get my cup. | ||
| And I was like, bro, you're on your own, homie. | ||
| I handed him a scissors. | ||
| I was like, cut it off, dude. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| It's hilarious, dude. | ||
| I got to corner him, I think, for that fight with the great Carlson Gracie at the time. | ||
| That's happened several times. | ||
| Dude, what was one of the fights? | ||
| Dude, I'm telling you. | ||
| Tim Sylvia shit himself once. | ||
| Oh, and then when we went to the Reebok uniforms and dudes were wearing white, I was like, bro, that. | ||
| Bad idea. | ||
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Let's not go. | |
| No white shorts. | ||
| Like, stay away from white shorts. | ||
| Doc Brown. | ||
| I think Yoel, dude. | ||
| Yoel Romero. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| Yeah, I think he sharted one of his fights, too. | ||
| One time, Michael Chiesa, when he fought Benil Darius, right before the fight started, he leans over to me and goes, dude, I might shit myself. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| Before the walk, dude, they almost had to postpone the walk. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| He was gonna run to the bathroom before the fight started. | ||
| Yeah, UFC staff. | ||
| He was in the tunnel getting ready to walk. | ||
| He's like, bro, I gotta go to the bathroom. | ||
| They're like, no, no, you're good. | ||
| He's like, oh, bro. | ||
| Why didn't they just let him go? | ||
| How long did it take? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| 30 seconds will cover. | ||
| Let the guy take a dump. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And then we're behind in production time, the format, fucking schedule, whatever it is. | ||
| But dude, when a man's got a shit, he's got a shit. | ||
| Here's Anderson and Patrick. | ||
| Is this on Fight Pass? | ||
| This is the first round, so it didn't happen until third or fourth or whatever it was. | ||
| I think it was the third round. | ||
| Anderson was just moving around, real relaxed, didn't do much. | ||
| It was an interesting fight because Cote didn't fight his normal style. | ||
| He stayed real boxed up. | ||
| Oh, I forgot this, that Anderson had him down at one point in time. | ||
| Anderson's grappling's underrated, too, man. | ||
| He's a good grappler. | ||
| He's just long as fuck. | ||
| He's built to grapple, too. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Even when he was kicking it. | ||
| Look, he tries to help him out. | ||
| He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I think his knee was already... | ||
| I think we knew at this point. | ||
| He's like, my knee's jacked up, dude. | ||
| My knee's jacked up. | ||
| I remember him talking to me during the fight in between rounds. | ||
| But he definitely put up a fight, at least. | ||
| And at the time, nobody was even close to putting up a fight. | ||
| So it's right before then. | ||
| Patrick was super fucking dangerous. | ||
| See, this is where we said we're the first one to take him to the third round because nobody had passed the second round with him. | ||
| Well, not only that, it was a totally uneventful three rounds. | ||
| There wasn't even a moment where Patrick was in trouble. | ||
| And he was fighting for the title. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That was the main event title fight, yep. | ||
| Patrick was always dangerous. | ||
| He always had that one bomb that could put you out, and Anderson knew that, so he was fighting a smart strategy, but it was interesting because it kind of showed a hole in his style, that his style was so counterattacking. | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| You know what he did? | ||
| He tried to lift his front foot up, almost like to fake a front kick. | ||
| Bring that back, Jamie. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I think he tried to pick up his front leg to fake like a T, but to fake like a front leg attack. | ||
| And then he hopped on his back leg. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's rough, man. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, right there? | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Right there, yeah. | ||
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Yikes. | |
| He's in a lot of pain, too. | ||
| Cote is a tough dude, too, man. | ||
| I see him wins and go down like that, man. | ||
| So what was the issue? | ||
| Was it a meniscus issue? | ||
| I don't recall. | ||
| I'd be lying if I made some shit up right now, but I think it was something like that. | ||
| What a vulnerable joint. | ||
| That's why leg locks get the shit out of me. | ||
| If I recall, dude, I think he had issues, too. | ||
| Like, he had a staph infection in his knee, like, repeatedly. | ||
| Like, I remember he had staph in his knee, like, a bunch of times. | ||
| So, I don't know, man. | ||
| But he, you know, his best punch, too, was not only his overhand right, but his rear uppercut. | ||
| Nasty, nasty. | ||
| Yeah, he had big power. | ||
| Busted me the fuck up a bunch of times. | ||
| It was weird, his power, you know? | ||
| I mean, it's not like he didn't look like a strong guy, but his power was weird. | ||
| Yeah, so you watch, he hops up on that front leg and... | ||
| You see it just give out. | ||
| Donk! | ||
| Pass! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yikes. | |
| Dude, knees, back, nasty injuries. | ||
| All those leg lock motherfuckers have fucked up knees. | ||
| Eddie just had to get his meniscus fixed too. | ||
| He had a meniscus operation pretty recently. | ||
| He had shoulder surgery recently. | ||
| He had back surgery recently. | ||
| Yeah, back surgery a little over a year ago. | ||
| Knee surgery recently. | ||
| He's not doing that stem cell shit you're talking about, huh? | ||
| No, he hasn't. | ||
| I think he did something. | ||
| He didn't do it with the place that I go to. | ||
| But it's just, you know, years and years of jujitsu. | ||
| It's just not good for your body. | ||
| Everybody that I know. | ||
| As much as I love jujitsu, bro, I'm telling you, I sustain most of my injuries rolling. | ||
| It's almost like I can't get out of a jujitsu session, like gi or no gi, without getting something tweaked or something, you know? | ||
| Well, I was talking the other night with some guys from Team Alpha Male, and we were talking about guys who have fake discs. | ||
| How many guys have had artificial discs put in their necks and in their backs? | ||
| It's a fucking terrifying number. | ||
| You keep going on and not used to it. | ||
| Like, he got one too? | ||
| Yeah, he's got two in his neck. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| He's got one in his lower back. | ||
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What? | |
| God damn it, he's 30. These guys are like 30 years old with fake backs. | ||
| Combat sports are rough, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Particularly wrestling and particularly jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Wrestling, it seems to be a lot of the neck. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu, it's neck and lower back. | ||
| The lower back seems to get jacked on almost everybody. | ||
| I've been lucky, knock on wood. | ||
| I've been lucky I haven't really suffered any serious injuries in my training career. | ||
| I wonder, too, how much Thai training and throwing kicks, because it's so core intensive. | ||
| Kicking is so much, so much. | ||
| I think it protects you, because a lot of my lower back, it's very heavily muscled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The lower back and the mid. | ||
| It's one of the first things I actually look at when I'm studying like a fighter is I look to see his back, how his back sounds like, this guy's going to be strong. | ||
| What makes you say that? | ||
| Like, dude, look at his lower back specifically. | ||
| I say that all the time. | ||
| I'm like, look at his lower back. | ||
| You see guys with jacked up lower back muscles, you know their core strength is just off the chain. | ||
| Do you have a reverse hyper in your gym? | ||
| No. | ||
| Do you have one of those? | ||
| No. | ||
| Dude, that should be standard in any gym where they wrestle. | ||
| Is that the inversion? | ||
| That's the one where you lie down on the table with your upper body and your lower body hangs down and hooks into this thing. | ||
| It was created by Louie Simmons, that guy from Westside Barbell, the powerlifting monster. | ||
| And when you lift your legs up, it strengthens your back. | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| And on the way down, it decompresses the spine. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Lengthens almost? | ||
| Like lengthening the spine? | ||
| Well, it decompresses. | ||
| See, there's a video. | ||
| If you show him the video, he'll get a chance to see what it is. | ||
| In the video, Louie's explaining it. | ||
| But we have one back here. | ||
| And I've had one for a couple years now. | ||
| And it's just go forward. | ||
| Just go forward. | ||
| You don't need to hear the volume. | ||
| See, as she's going up, it's strengthening her back, and then on the down, it extends and it lengthens the back and decompresses it. | ||
| It's active decompression. | ||
| It's one of the rare things that provides active decompression in contrast with strengthening. | ||
| So it strengthens it on the way up and then loosens it on the way back. | ||
| That activating the muscles and the strengthening portion of it and then the decompression portion together, it's uniquely effective for strengthening and rehabilitating lower back issues. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| You got one here you said? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He developed it because they were trying to give him surgery. | ||
| Fuse his discs together because he had a bulging disc so he's trying to figure out how to fix a bulging disc and that's how he figured it out but it's now like universally praised has been one of the as being one of the best exercises to Prevent injury but more importantly to rehabilitate you if you have something like that going on I gotta check that out for sure. | ||
| It should be standard for every gym It's one of those pieces of equipment that I think like One of the big things that happens with guys is compression. | ||
| And very few fighters, in particular, spend time doing spinal decompression. | ||
| Like on those inversion tables. | ||
| Yeah, I was just going to say inversion tables. | ||
| Those are great, man. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| Just chill on one of those, those teeters. | ||
| Chill on one of those for 10 minutes a day. | ||
| Just put the boots on and kick back and then tighten your back up and then let it loose and tighten your back up and let it loose. | ||
| I've used them before. | ||
| And you could push on the handles and give yourself some separation. | ||
| You have to do something to compensate for all the pressure. | ||
| So there's all this compression and you've got to do something to decompress. | ||
| I've seen something too with a band around your neck. | ||
| You lay on the floor and put it on a doorknob and it pulls your head up. | ||
| You ever seen something like that? | ||
| I have one that's a thing that you put on your chin. | ||
| I put it on a barbell. | ||
| So I hook it up to the barbell and then I sit underneath it with a chair. | ||
| Yeah, same concept. | ||
| And then I extend my neck. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| You get like two inches taller. | ||
| Stretching, yeah. | ||
| Like you said too, wrestling is the worst, man. | ||
| Just like always shooting that single, shooting that double grabbing and pulling on the neck. | ||
| Yeah, it's rough. | ||
| Well, Thai too, right? | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| I remember one of the first experiences I had clinching with guys in Thailand. | ||
| You know, because I was one of the bigger guys. | ||
| They were like, oh, I need you to clench, you know. | ||
| And these Thai dudes just hanging on my neck, hanging on my neck, you know, for an hour straight. | ||
| And I've never felt anything like that. | ||
| Man, my neck was completely locked up. | ||
| I couldn't turn. | ||
| I had to actually get one of those, the neck braces there, the collars. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I had to get, like, massage, like, every day. | ||
| Literally, I was out of training probably for four or five days. | ||
| I couldn't even train. | ||
| It's almost like having a stiff neck, but it was hard. | ||
| Yeah, well you gotta think those muscles don't get used that much if you're not doing that. | ||
| If you're not doing neck extensions or And then I went to my trainer and I was like, how do I make my neck stronger? | ||
| And he took me over to this coffee can filled with cement and a rope coming out of it. | ||
| And he said, you bite the rope. | ||
| I remember Ringside had a thing like that. | ||
| They put that thing like a strap around your head and you put the chain through a weight. | ||
| Yeah, I have those. | ||
| But biting, it seems better too. | ||
| Yeah, because you're working the mandible as well. | ||
| The problem was everybody fucking bit on the thing in the can. | ||
| And the fucking breath. | ||
| Breath, mouthpiece, breath. | ||
| I remember being in a bank in Thailand in Patio once, and there was a water-like thing, but there was no plastic cups. | ||
| There was no cups, like disposable cups. | ||
| There was a plastic cup with a string tied to it. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And people would just go and fill it and just lip on it and put it down. | ||
| I'm like, bro, this is rough, dude. | ||
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Rough. | |
| Well, I gotta figure. | ||
| It's like, I'm not that thirsty. | ||
| Those moist environments, like, there's so much bacteria in the air anyway. | ||
| Like, how common is staph? | ||
| Dude, it's so funny you say that, because you would think it would run rampant, like ringworm. | ||
| Like, I remember one of the first times I got ringworm in Thailand, and I, like, had a Band-Aid on it, and I was clinching with one of my training pods. | ||
| It was a Thai guy. | ||
| And the bandaid came off and I was like, hold on, let me go to it. | ||
| And he's like, no, don't worry about it. | ||
| And I was like, no, let me cover this up. | ||
| And he touched it and he was rubbing it like, oh, dude, don't worry about that. | ||
| And I was like, dude, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| It's like, it's ringworm, bro. | ||
| It's like their Thai leather skin is immune to it. | ||
| They don't fucking get ringworm. | ||
| They don't get staph. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's not common. | ||
| No, it's weird. | ||
| I'm sure they do get it. | ||
| But it's funny. | ||
| It doesn't run rampant in the gyms. | ||
| You would think a bunch of sweaty tie dudes training with no shirts on, clenching, hanging all over each other. | ||
| They're laying on the ground doing sit-ups and push-ups and all that bullshit. | ||
| It's not common. | ||
| There's not a lot of ringworm in the gyms. | ||
| There's not a lot of staph infections. | ||
| I don't know if just the... | ||
| Their body builds immunity to? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just not common. | ||
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I don't know either, man. | |
| It's not common, though. | ||
| Because in American gyms, it's rampant. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I remember being on The Ultimate Fighter when I coached season four, the comeback, with Jorge, Patrick Cote all the time. | ||
| I met all those guys. | ||
| Chris Lytle, etc., etc. | ||
| Matt Serra was on that show. | ||
| Who was it that got it? | ||
| Edwin Deweese, I think, got a staph infection. | ||
| And everybody was like, oh, what the hell's wrong with your skin? | ||
| I was like, bro, that's like the heebie-jeebies. | ||
| That's like the mat scabbies. | ||
| That's staph. | ||
| And everybody was like, what? | ||
| And I was like, bro, that's staph infection. | ||
| And I went to the UFC production team, and I said, when was the last time you guys cleaned the mats? | ||
| Like, oh, like we clean them like once a week. | ||
| I was like, whoa. | ||
| I was like, bro, you got to clean these mats with like disinfectant every single training session. | ||
| And they're like, all right, that's cool. | ||
| And I was like, how about that wall, like the padded wall? | ||
| Like, oh, no, we never clean that. | ||
| Like, bro, they have no shirts on. | ||
| They're grappling, you know, with their backs on the wall, sweating all over the wall. | ||
| And I brought it to their attention that, listen, everything needs to be cleaned in the gym. | ||
| How disturbing is that? | ||
| Bro, Dana literally said, you go back and you watch the box series. | ||
| I still got a DVD series. | ||
| Literally, Dana said, Della Grotti pretty much saved the show. | ||
| Almost both teams got staff. | ||
| I was like, get the Vans detail. | ||
| Get the Vans detail. | ||
| Clean the mats. | ||
| Clean stability balls. | ||
| I made everybody get tea tree and eucalyptus soap. | ||
| Nobody was educated at the time about it. | ||
| And it just... | ||
| It's a plague, man. | ||
| If I see anybody with ringworm or staff, I literally light fucking bombs in the gym and burn the fucking place down. | ||
| Order new mats from Zebra and Rev Gear. | ||
| It's so common. | ||
| I was just reading one of Gordon Ryan's posts on Instagram that he got MRSA for the second time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that medication-resistant staph infection, that scares the shit out of me. | ||
| Dude, I had staph. | ||
| I can't really claim it. | ||
| Kote, I'm not going to blame you, bro, but it was oddly enough right around the time where Kote had staph in his knee and I was camping him and I was very active at the time training with these guys and I got staph under my armpit. | ||
| Both fucking armpits. | ||
| I literally had to walk around with my arms up like this. | ||
| I had wicks coming out of them. | ||
| Nasty, dude. | ||
| Staff is no good. | ||
| They put wicks. | ||
| What they do is they actually make an incision. | ||
| They drain the abscess because it's an abscess, essentially. | ||
| They drain the abscess and then they pack it with what literally looks like a wick from a lantern. | ||
| It's hollow in the middle, cloth. | ||
| And they pack it in and they leave just a little tip out. | ||
| And as the wound drains and heals, the wick comes out. | ||
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So I had like these two-inch like wick. | |
| Like a tampon strength. | ||
| Basically, yeah. | ||
| And was it medicated? | ||
| No, they just clean it out. | ||
| They make an incision. | ||
| They clean it all out. | ||
| They flush it with saline and they pack it with a wick and they dope you up with Kelflex. | ||
| Usually it's the weapon of choice for antibiotics. | ||
| I believe it's called Kelflex. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| Drains your mojo like nothing. | ||
| Dude, kicks your ass, dude. | ||
| Tired walking upstairs, like everything. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| That's when you see when guys fight on that. | ||
| We remember, what's his name? | ||
| Luke Rockhold against Chris Weidman. | ||
| And Kevin Lee recently, too. | ||
| Remember, we noticed it during the broadcast. | ||
| Kevin didn't take any medications. | ||
| Specifically because he knew it would zap his cardio. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I'm sure the staff zapped him too. | ||
| Oh, period. | ||
| Yeah, but the antibiotics on top of it, forget about it. | ||
| I remember when we called that fight, you called that fight, and I was like, dude, that staff on us. | ||
| And we were talking about it. | ||
| And it's almost like the guys in the truck were like, I don't know, don't mention it. | ||
| Don't mention the staff. | ||
| They told Daniel Cormier not to say anything about it. | ||
| Yes, there you go. | ||
| When I brought it up to Cormier. | ||
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That's right. | |
| I said, is that what I staffed you? | ||
| And they're like, don't bring that up. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that. | ||
| And he's like, that's definitely staffed, Joe. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He don't give a single fuck. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| He's like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Don't talk about that. | ||
| Yeah, you got it. | ||
| It was blatantly obvious. | ||
| It was so obvious. | ||
| How could anyone say to not talk about that? | ||
| It's funny, too, because I don't think the commission is supposed to allow you to fight. | ||
| If you've got a herpy on your lip or something funky or you've got staff, they're like, about scratch. | ||
| That's what I was shocked. | ||
| Because it was so blatant. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It was swollen. | ||
| He put makeup on it on the way in. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Susie touched it up a little bit. | ||
| Which is hilarious. | ||
| She's complicit. | ||
| Everyone's involved. | ||
| Susie's awesome. | ||
| I've had times where I've had fighters, I'm like, oh, they took a cut during the camp, trying to kind of hide it. | ||
| Airbrush. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Kevin Lee, that was a really unfortunate timing because I wanted to see what would happen in that fight. | ||
| I mean, you saw Kevin get Tony down. | ||
| He's beating him up on the ground. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I was just going to say, who is he fighting as Ferguson? | ||
| He got a mount on him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got his back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, Kevin Lee is a monster. | ||
| He is, man. | ||
| And he's fucking huge for 155 pounds. | ||
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He is. | |
| He is. | ||
| When he first emerged and I was watching him, I wasn't like... | ||
| I don't want to say I wasn't impressed, but I had no idea what his capabilities were. | ||
| And I started watching him fight, and I was like, dude, this guy's legit. | ||
| He's a serious threat. | ||
| He's not even in his prime. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| He's 26, I think now. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I didn't realize he's that young. | ||
| He's that young? | ||
| He's very young. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, find out how old Kevin Lee is. | ||
| I think he's a few years from his prime. | ||
| 25? | ||
| 25, yeah. | ||
| 25. Wow, that's young, dude. | ||
| Young as fuck. | ||
| That is young, man. | ||
| Young as fuck. | ||
| Smart as fuck, too. | ||
| 26. He's a cool dude, too. | ||
| He's a very cool guy. | ||
| I had him on my podcast and I think it really changed people's perceptions of him. | ||
| You realize how honest he is, open, intelligent, and just really considerate and thinking about all the various aspects of his career. | ||
| And even when he was talking about other fighters, he wasn't shit-talking. | ||
| Necessarily. | ||
| Whereas, like, really just talking about his own skills versus their skills. | ||
| And even Ferguson, when he was talking about Tony, he was saying, man, this injury's a real bummer because it's going to impede what he does. | ||
| Like, his whole thing is that he can do anything. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's, like, loose and he takes chances. | ||
| Like, if he's got this knee that's fucked up that he doesn't trust, like, that could really get... | ||
| I'm like, ooh, that's a good point. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's got a knee that he doesn't trust. | ||
| It's going to keep him from being as, like, freewheeling, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| One of the things about Tony is he's so unpredictable. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Like, how do you prepare for a guy that just moves crazy and has knockout power and nutty endurance? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He trained with Eddie still? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| He's still with Eddie. | ||
| What a freak accident, man. | ||
| Imagine you're on your way to a fight, you're doing press, and you go to talk to somebody, you trip over some wires. | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| Production wires, like camera wires or something? | ||
| Yeah, in UFC tonight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And blew the fucking, the ligament off the bone. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You ever see the scar? | ||
| I haven't, no. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's like a 12-inch scar. | ||
| And there was no previous injury or anything? | ||
| So that literally just came out of nowhere, like on a fucking wire. | ||
| No. | ||
| He tripped on those wires and fell sideways and literally just, which is, how does a guy like that fall down even? | ||
| You would think he's so athletic. | ||
| It's so coordinated. | ||
| Back in the day we had, remember when you used to do the UFC workout rooms? | ||
| There it is. | ||
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Oh man, what a gnarly fucking scar. | |
| It's like 80 staples. | ||
| Yeah, it's nuts. | ||
| That's one of the bigger knee scars I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| That is nasty scar. | ||
| Yeah, but now he's running around, he's moving. | ||
| Yeah, he's a freak, man. | ||
| They were doing some UV light or something like that on it. | ||
| But, you know, he's starting to hit the bag again. | ||
| He throws kicks and punches on the bag now. | ||
| We've lost fights in the past for those. | ||
| Like I was just going to say, we had those, you know, the fold-out mats, like the bifold mats. | ||
| I remember somebody got their foot caught in it, rolled their ankle. | ||
| It was like one show a long time ago. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, we started talking about it. | ||
| I think it was Jimmy Gifford who works for Lorenzo at the time. | ||
| I was like, man, you need those dolomere, those rollout mats. | ||
| These seams are no good, man. | ||
| People are tweaking their ankles left and right, man. | ||
| We'd lose a fight occasionally backstage just from somebody rolling their ankle in the cracks of the mats or something stupid like that. | ||
| But what a freak accident to think. | ||
| And how close? | ||
| He was really close to that fight, wasn't he? | ||
| He was a couple days out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck. | ||
| Do you remember when Kevin Randleman was backstage and he stepped on some pipes and flew through the air and landed on his head and knocked himself out? | ||
| I don't recall. | ||
| Backstage prepping for the main event of a fight. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| It was like UFC 13 or 14 or some shit. | ||
| And they lose the main event. | ||
| They lost the main event. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| I don't remember who he was supposed to be fighting. | ||
| I do not remember. | ||
| But I remember Kevin Randleman stepped on some pipes and fell and hit his fucking head. | ||
| And I remember thinking, what? | ||
| What are the odds? | ||
| Maybe he was supposed to be fighting Pedro Hizzo? | ||
| I do not remember who he was supposed to be fighting. | ||
| That's going way back. | ||
| Randleman days is going back. | ||
| Was it Pedro Hizzo? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When did you come on? | ||
| 12. UFC 12. 1997. Was it Zufar at the time or was it SEG? No, SEG. It was, okay. | ||
| Yeah, Bob Meyerowitz. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Camel McLaren hired me. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| It was Tony Blauer did it before me. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| They needed a new backstage interviewer guy. | ||
| So UFC 12. Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Dothan, Alabama, son. | ||
| We were supposed to be in Buffalo. | ||
| Supposed to fly to Buffalo, New York. | ||
| Or Albany? | ||
| Somewhere in New York. | ||
| But New York State made it illegal right before. | ||
| So they had to change all the flights, move the octagon, fly it down to Dothan, Alabama. | ||
| Puddle jumper plane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember those days. | ||
| I was not involved with the company at the time. | ||
| I think the first fight I cornered was UFC 36 or something like that. | ||
| That's early in the day, too. | ||
| UFC 35 and a half was when I came back. | ||
| That's when I did my first commentary. | ||
| Chuck vs. | ||
| Vitor was what I did. | ||
| Who was the owner of that time? | ||
| Was it Art Davies? | ||
| Art Davies is one of the original guys. | ||
| He was a part of SEG. | ||
| It was Art Davies, Bob Myrowitz. | ||
| And I guess Horry and Gracie was involved in the very, very beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember we did the 20-year Zufa, 20 years, whatever. | ||
| Like we're backstage. | ||
| We're coming into the MGM, the back of the arena. | ||
| And everybody's pulling up. | ||
| I got the Ferraris, Lambo's coming up. | ||
| And Art Davies pulls up in a fucking Saturn. | ||
| And I was like, oh boy, have time changed? | ||
| Times have changed. | ||
| It's like a busted, like, Nevada plate. | ||
| You didn't get in on the payday. | ||
| I was like, oh man. | ||
| You missed the payday. | ||
| I was like, fuck, times have definitely changed. | ||
| Lambos, Ferraris, like, blacked out SUVs, and then a Saturn. | ||
| Rickety, rackety. | ||
| Rickety, rickety, rickety. | ||
| The UFC bought... | ||
| Great dude, though. | ||
| I like him. | ||
| Zufa bought the UFC for $2 million. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Think of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they, what, $4 billion was the sale price? | ||
| Talk about profit on return of investment. | ||
| But it's a long time. | ||
| I mean, they bought it in 2001, right? | ||
| And you can imagine how much money the Fratidas, Lorenzo and Frank and Dana, how much money they put in, too. | ||
| It's not like they bought it for a clean $2 million and had smooth sailing and then sold out, you know? | ||
| Well, they were in the hole for $40 million by the time 2005 rolled around. | ||
| So 2005 was the first season of The Ultimate Fighter, and they were in the hole $40 million while they were in production, and they were trying to sell the UFC. No shit. | ||
| And Lorenzo called Dana the next day and said, fuck it, let's just keep going. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like he was saying, see if anybody wants to buy it, and they decided, fuck it, let's just keep going. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Glad he did. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but you gotta think, the number, the amount of money they have to make every month just to make the nut on $4 billion. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| It's not an easy company to run, I can imagine. | ||
| I mean, I don't really talk to Ari much when he's back there. | ||
| I just say hi, shake his hand. | ||
| I've never met him, yeah. | ||
| I don't know how well it's doing. | ||
| I've never met him. | ||
| I just missed him, actually, in Dubai. | ||
| Lorenzo threw me a fucking big layup and sent me over to Dubai to train Prince Tarnoon. | ||
| You've trained him several times, right? | ||
| I had one trip. | ||
| I spent about a month there, but I ended up just, instead of teaching a Muay Thai, I just ended up doing jiu-jitsu at Marcel Agassi every day, which was fucking awesome. | ||
| I show up in Dubai, like, doing that. | ||
| Well, it was funny because we got off the plane. | ||
| At first they sent me the airline tickets. | ||
| Lorenzo was like, hey, you want to go to Dubai? | ||
| You know, train Tarun? | ||
| I was like, absolutely. | ||
| It's Abu Dhabi, right? | ||
| Yeah, it was Abu Dhabi, Dubai. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Abu Dhabi, but Dubai is, like, right there, so. | ||
| You know, so, going to Abu Dhabi, like, I got the airline tickets. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| ETS, something, airlines, there's some bullshit flying some fucking weird airlines. | ||
| And I looked it up, and I was like, oh shit, there's like gold toilets and shit. | ||
| And I looked, and I told them, I was like, I need an assistant to go. | ||
| He's like, you may have an assistant. | ||
| And I was like, perfect. | ||
| I looked, and it was nine grand each a ticket. | ||
| It was like 18 grand for, like, the flights. | ||
| It was in, like, full beds, like, little capsules. | ||
| You could get fillets and shit. | ||
| But we got there. | ||
| There was nobody at the airport. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, dude. | ||
| I don't know who to call. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| I had no idea, right? | ||
| Some guy walks over to me and he hands me a box, a mobile phone. | ||
| And I open the box and there's a phone. | ||
| He goes, the phone will ring when he needs you. | ||
| And I was like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| And then a stretched out 7 Series. | ||
| So check this out. | ||
| A stretched out 7 Series BMW comes. | ||
| And the guy's like, he comes over, he grabs my bag, he puts them in, and he takes us to a place called the Twin Towers. | ||
| You motherfuckers. | ||
| Oddly enough, right after 9-11, I'm like, oh, I get it. | ||
| Fucking Twin Towers. | ||
| Fucking put the American guys up in the Twin Towers. | ||
| And we get there, and it's the middle of night. | ||
| Me and my buddy Neil, one of my students at the time, Neil Legallo, we ended up going up to the room, and there was nothing there. | ||
| There was no furniture. | ||
| The beds weren't. | ||
| It wasn't like a hotel. | ||
| It was like an apartment. | ||
| Because we were going to be there for a month, and I was like, dude, is there a fucking Target open right now? | ||
| I can get some bed sheets and stuff. | ||
| I need soap. | ||
| There was nothing there. | ||
| And we literally sat in that apartment, going across the street to the market, where we were the only white dudes in the market, just getting cans of tuna and olive oil and bread just to dip it in. | ||
| We were surviving for two days, just staring at the fucking phone every day. | ||
| It's going to fucking ring. | ||
| I know it's going to ring. | ||
| It didn't provide food. | ||
| Well, listen, so then the phone rang. | ||
| And he said, there'll be a driver outside. | ||
| You know, when you get there, like, when you go downstairs, there'll be a driver outside. | ||
| You're going to go to the palace. | ||
| So we go downstairs, there's a driver outside, and he gives us the whole rundown about, do not make eye contact with the prince. | ||
| Only call him in sinus. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, this is trippy as fuck, dude. | ||
| And you got to do jujitsu with this guy. | ||
| No, I'm supposed to train him in Muay Thai. | ||
| He wants to learn Muay Thai. | ||
| Because he said, he asked Lorenzo, like, you know, who you do Muay Thai with. | ||
| I was wanting to learn Muay Thai. | ||
| So Lorenzo mentioned me, and that's how I got over there. | ||
| So I get to the palace. | ||
| And I show up in this workout room, and I'm just sitting there. | ||
| I'm like, dude, this is so weird. | ||
| No one's telling us what's going on. | ||
| And Marcelo Garcia walks in with a gym bag, and I was like, holy fucking shit, it's Marcelo Garcia! | ||
| We ended up, like, Tao Te Nguyen came out, His Highness Tao Te Nguyen came out, and we did a little bit of Muay Thai, but his passion for jiu-jitsu was so overwhelming that all he wanted to do is do jiu-jitsu. | ||
| He's like, do you like jiu-jitsu? | ||
| And I was like, yeah, I love jiu-jitsu. | ||
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He's like, let's do jiu-jitsu. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I ended up training every day with Marcelo Garcia for like a month straight. | ||
| And we did like maybe in a month's time, we did like maybe three hours of Muay Thai. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then going back to the Ari story, as I was leaving, I think Ari was coming in doing some type of business with His Highness at the time or something. | ||
| We just missed each other. | ||
| That was my point to tell you about Ari. | ||
| What is he like hanging out with? | ||
| Because all that eye contact shit seems to go out the window once you're around him. | ||
| Once you get to know him, once I got to know him and I got a little more comfortable around him, he was super cool. | ||
| Super cool, dude. | ||
| Really intense dude, man. | ||
| Everything to the extreme. | ||
| Like, I'm going to hike Mount Everest. | ||
| He hikes fucking Mount Everest. | ||
| He's like, oh, dude, everything. | ||
| He had like an elevation chamber, like an elevation tent and stuff. | ||
| He had just everything. | ||
| Anything he did was like to the extreme. | ||
| I mean, obviously, talking like an extreme dude, a trillionaire, he can do anything he wants. | ||
| Is he a trillionaire? | ||
| Trillion. | ||
| This is a thing that people don't understand when you hear about the world's richest men. | ||
| Those are people with public incomes. | ||
| This is not oligarchs. | ||
| He's above and beyond fucking Forbes 500. He's literally a prince. | ||
| He was funny. | ||
| He told me a story about how Henzo, and I've laughed at this with Henzo. | ||
| Henzo, they had this big horse race that they do when they race across the desert. | ||
| And they needed another rider. | ||
| And you do it with no saddle or something. | ||
| It's this crazy long 20-30 mile horse race or something like that. | ||
| I don't know the details of it, but Henzo was there at the time and they were like, we need another rider. | ||
| And Henzo's like, fuck it, I'll ride. | ||
| And they're like, no bro, you don't understand. | ||
| You got a fucking scarf around your throat and you just get on a horse and you go for whatever it is, how long it is. | ||
| Henzo did the race. | ||
| He survived the race. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ask him about it sometime. | ||
| It's funny telling the story. | ||
| You know, Henzo just won. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| 51 years old. | ||
| I was saying to myself, what's he doing? | ||
| He's going to fight again. | ||
| He's really doing this. | ||
| It's like Yuki Kondo. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And he took him down with a very slick move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He hooked the leg and then went through the underside and butterflied the back of the other leg and dragged him down. | ||
| I saw the finish. | ||
| I didn't see the fight. | ||
| How long did the fight last? | ||
| It wasn't that long. | ||
| First round? | ||
| Yeah, it was first round. | ||
| Second round? | ||
| Second round, yeah. | ||
| Was it second round? | ||
| Henzo's still getting at it, huh? | ||
| Go earlier than this so you can see the actual takedown. | ||
| Because the takedown's slick. | ||
| So he dives in. | ||
| And a very dangerous guy, Yuki Kondo. | ||
| Yuki Kondo stops Saluhibero. | ||
| Like, Yuki Kondo was a beast. | ||
| Vicious, vicious fucking striker. | ||
| But, you know, also 50 years old himself, I think. | ||
| So, Henzo gets a single. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Look at that trip. | ||
| See that? | ||
| How he hooks and butterflies the opposite leg. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| That is a... | ||
| I love that move. | ||
| Master Henzo Gracie. | ||
| Unbelievable, man. | ||
| Such a great person. | ||
| Great jujitsu. | ||
| He's been an inspiration to us all. | ||
| 51 years old. | ||
| And looks like he's 51 with his body. | ||
| It doesn't look like he's juiced to the tits. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| He's in this position right now. | ||
| He's got his back. | ||
| He's like, I got you, motherfucker. | ||
| Henzo gets on your back and that's a wrap, pretty much. | ||
| Yeah, and Kondo was always a striker. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Is this 50-year-old division going to manifest or something? | ||
| They're talking about this Masters League or something like that. | ||
| Is it actually going to manifest? | ||
| I don't know, man, but in Japan, they'll have anybody fight. | ||
| The freakier, the better. | ||
| Gabby Garcia fight old housewives. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They don't give a fuck. | ||
| They have grandma's fight in Japan. | ||
| They'll do anything. | ||
| And then what they're doing in 1FC, I mean, they're basically, look, they're rehabilitating careers. | ||
| I mean, look at fucking Brandon Vera. | ||
| Brandon Vera's a monster over there now. | ||
| He is active. | ||
| He's the heavyweight champ. | ||
| That's right, yeah. | ||
| Dude, you ever see what he looks like now? | ||
| No. | ||
| I haven't even followed it in a while, yeah. | ||
| He looks like a poster boy for USADA's sniff test. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| He's gigantic. | ||
| His neck starts at the top of his head. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's yoked. | ||
| He's a huge heavyweight now. | ||
| He was always big, but he's yoked up now, huh? | ||
| Oh, yeah, dude. | ||
| He's for sure on Mexican supplements. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| He's got that Tijuana test. | ||
| I don't know what... | ||
| See if you can find a video of him fighting, because he looks like a fucking gorilla now. | ||
| What does it say he weighs? | ||
| Does it say there? | ||
| He's 40 years old now. | ||
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He's 40 at age 40. 6'2", 230 it says there. | |
| He was a very light 250 now. | ||
| 250 now, Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, see if you can find a video of him. | ||
| Go deep into the fight, see how big he is. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| He's so big. | ||
| He's a big dude. | ||
| I mean, he's a real heavyweight now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Is he living in Asia now? | ||
| Where is he at? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Originally San Diego, right? | ||
| He's still San Diego. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, head kick from hell. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| His jits is good, too. | ||
| Dean Lister guy, right? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| His jits is solid. | ||
| Well, I think he started with Lloyd Irvin. | ||
| Okay, yep, you're right. | ||
| I mean, he's gone to a bunch of camps. | ||
| I had a chance to train with him when he was at Eddie's place at the old bomb squad. | ||
| He came in, and it was before he fought in the UFC. And I remember saying to him, like, what weight are you fighting in? | ||
| He's like, heavyweight. | ||
| And I was like, wow. | ||
| He didn't look like a big guy. | ||
| He wasn't a big heavyweight at the time. | ||
| No, he was very light for a heavyweight, but he was fucking people up. | ||
| Good Muay Thai, too. | ||
| Melchor Menor, I think he trained with, too. | ||
| Rob Kamen. | ||
| Rob Kamen. | ||
| He was Rob Kamen's guy for a while. | ||
| And then him and Rob had a dispute about percentage payments or something like that. | ||
| There was a kid, though, that I think managed him in my area. | ||
| I forget his name back in the day, but he had some money issues, too. | ||
| Man, I don't know what happened with Rob. | ||
| Rob vanished. | ||
| I never see him anymore. | ||
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Yeah, man. | |
| It's funny. | ||
| He was around for a while, and he disappeared, and he'd come back around for a while. | ||
| And then before you know it, I saw him eating fucking space cake on Instagram in Holland. | ||
| I was like, all right, I guess he's in Holland now. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck he's doing. | ||
| Is that where he is? | ||
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He's back in Holland? | |
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| I think he had just some ups and downs in his life, and he just needed to get the fuck out, just go back to his roots. | ||
| I saw him videos of him in a field frolicking in fucking Amsterdam. | ||
| I was like, my man, Rob. | ||
| I love that guy, though. | ||
| He had some thing that he was putting together, like Kamin 101, like some workout thing. | ||
| He was nasty back in the day, man. | ||
| He was like one of the first foreigners at Korea Tong at the Sia Tong camp. | ||
| I remember Duke Rufus on the podcast years ago was talking about Rob Kamin and Sia Tong. | ||
| He was like one of our first foreign superstars, like him, Raymond Decker, those guys. | ||
| He was a big guy, too, for a guy that was fighting the ties. | ||
| He was. | ||
| He was way bigger than everybody else. | ||
| What I loved about him, too, as a southpaw, he would attack the back leg a lot. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's the worst way to take a low kick. | ||
| I was just going to say that. | ||
| He would do that slight step to the side and go across both legs. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Right across the front. | ||
| Jeb McLeod. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| What do you say? | ||
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Jeb. | |
| Hurt. | ||
| Hurt. | ||
| Or Jeb. | ||
| Jeb, like J-E-B. Jeb. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It means hurt. | ||
| Jeb means hurt? | ||
| Yeah, hurt. | ||
| Jeb Hoy? | ||
| If I say Jeb, that means hurt. | ||
| If I want to say it hurts a lot, I say Mock, like my name Mock. | ||
| Jeb Mock. | ||
| Jeb Mock. | ||
| Like happy DJ, very happy DJ Mock. | ||
| And then you can throw the Tiespang, go, oh, DJ Mockley. | ||
| Could you read, Ty? | ||
| I'm just now, my brother Joshua, who is one of my students back home, he's a Buddhist monk, a white dude with a man bun, drives a Jeep, like you never know. | ||
| Cut that man bun while he sleeps. | ||
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Ha ha ha! | |
| Stop that. | ||
| He's teaching me how to read and write. | ||
| You know, I can speak. | ||
| I knew I could speak Thai pretty well when I actually started talking to people on the phone, like people from Thailand on the phone. | ||
| Because if I'm in front of you, it's like any language. | ||
| Like, you go, like you fly, like what time? | ||
| Like you can fucking caveman language and you can figure it out, you know? | ||
| But once I started talking to like Thai friends on the phone, I was like, dude, I got this. | ||
| Like I'm not using like my hand signs and whatnot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right, so like if you had to say someone in Thai, like the weigh-ins are today, but it's not the real weigh-in. | ||
| It's a ceremonial weigh-in. | ||
| The real weigh-in started at 8 a.m. | ||
| What would you say? | ||
| The Thais don't even go that far. | ||
| That's way too much. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| That's way too much. | ||
| Dude, I'll explain Thai language to you right now. | ||
| You ready? | ||
| Let's take the verb to like. | ||
| Like you like something. | ||
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Chop. | |
| Karate chop. | ||
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Chop. | |
| That means I like. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I take the word my, M-A-I, if I put it before it, if I want to ask you if you like something, I just say, chop my, that means my's at the end, I'm asking you a question, chop, like, my, do you like? | ||
| If you like it, you say chop. | ||
| If you don't like it, you put the my in front and go, my chop. | ||
| It's literally like, like, no like. | ||
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It's fucking cave language, bro. | |
| So if I'm like, alright, you know, take the word, like I said, like, uh, go. | ||
| Like, bai. | ||
| Bai means go. | ||
| Bai mai, are you going? | ||
| Mai bai, not going. | ||
| If you're going, you just go, bai. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Dude, that's the crash course of Thai right there. | ||
| But the best in the kingdom, bro, is knowing the Thai-Glish. | ||
| Me and my trainer, Krutoy Sietong, the son of Krutoy Sietong, always taught me Thai-Glish because it was the fastest way from A to B. It's like, all right, if you want to say water, like it's nam. | ||
| But rather than say nam, you just say wata. | ||
| I'm like, oh shit. | ||
| Like airport, sanampin. | ||
| Just go airport. | ||
| Do they know what airport means? | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| If you say sanampin and you say it with the wrong tone, it's something different. | ||
| It's like the word my, my, my. | ||
| Dog, horse, cum. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| That's why you can really get fucked up trying to speak Thai in Thailand. | ||
| That's why I teach all my students at Crash Course Pro, Thai-glish. | ||
| Like, you want water? | ||
| Water. | ||
| You want to go to the airport? | ||
| Airport. | ||
| Passport? | ||
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Passport. | |
| You just have to say it like you would with an accent. | ||
| It's literally like you're almost mocking them, but you're not. | ||
| They get it right away. | ||
| Oh, that's so strange. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I've had literally people like, dude, you're fucking ranking on the guy. | ||
| No, I'm not, dude. | ||
| I'm talking to him. | ||
| When we went to places, they all spoke English. | ||
| Almost everybody. | ||
| For the most part, nowadays. | ||
| Nowadays, for the most part, yeah. | ||
| So back then when you were fighting, it was more difficult to communicate? | ||
| Well, there was less tourists, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now, you know, it's over, it's plagued with, like, Germans and Russians as, like, everybody's going to Thailand. | ||
| There was a lot. | ||
| I saw a Ferrari driving down the street for the first time ever, like, a couple years ago in Thailand. | ||
| I was like, a fucking Ferrari? | ||
| In Patia City, Thailand? | ||
| It's all Russian money. | ||
| Like, a lot of Russians go there with big Russian money, you know. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of, like, gangster activity in Patia, right? | ||
| Specifically, like, Russian. | ||
| Like, Dutch-Russian. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| What are they doing over there? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't ask. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Fucking selling people. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| You can buy a liver for fucking 500 baht in the street. | ||
| Like, I don't know, bro. | ||
| I don't know, but I definitely know that there was a time when I was going to Thailand and It felt like Thailand and then I went back once and it was like, like everybody was speaking Russian and there was like white dudes everywhere and like all farang, like all foreigners. | ||
| Why do you think Russian? | ||
| Why do you think? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, it's a lot of a lot of Europeans vacation in Thailand too. | ||
| You know, it's like we go to like in America, we go to like Aruba, Bahamas, Jamaica, like that's our vacation. | ||
| Like the Brits, like from the UK, they're like, let's go holiday in Thailand. | ||
| You know, they go to Thailand. | ||
| Australians, they go to Thailand, like they go to Southeast Asia. | ||
| So it's just, I don't know. | ||
| It's a big tourist attraction in Thailand for Europeans and for now Russians. | ||
| I saw a lot of older European or American-looking men with hot, young Thai chicks. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| And I was like, look at that. | ||
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You get a fucking great deal over there. | |
| They run specials like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you see it all the time. | ||
| The worst is like the fat German guy in the fucking man thong walking down the street with a fucking little boy, like a 14-year-old boy. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Oh, dude. | ||
| I've seen some weird shit in Thailand, man. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| As I said earlier, man, the land of smiles, but there's not always smiles. | ||
| Why is it worse if it's a 14-year-old boy versus a 14-year-old girl? | ||
| Is it... | ||
| It's all the same at that point. | ||
| I don't know man. | ||
| I don't think it's worse. | ||
| I think the 14 year old boy could probably take it better. | ||
| I never thought of that. | ||
| And I don't want to. | ||
| It's probably less scarring if that's what he's into. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you don't see a lot of that shit up in Chiang Mai. | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| No. | ||
| You were more like the elephant country. | ||
| That's real Thailand to me. | ||
| That Chiang Mai, that northern Thailand is like the real Thai culture. | ||
| And then as you go down south, you get more touristy, you get more freak shows. | ||
| Elephants were everywhere in terms of art. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Elephant art. | ||
| Oh, it's huge, prevalent. | ||
| It's very prevalent in Thai culture. | ||
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Why are they so into elephants? | |
| It's Southeast Asia. | ||
| That's the fucking animal god. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| The elephants, everything to them. | ||
| The Thai box inside, well, at first it was what they call Krabi Krabong, which is known in Thailand as Thandab, which means long short. | ||
| And that's the old depiction you see of swordplay. | ||
| The Thais using swords and they dressed up these elephants in armor and rode baskets and just shot arrows from... | ||
| From the top of the elephant. | ||
| So the elephant has always been a huge part of that, even in warfare. | ||
| Yeah, they use the elephants in combat. | ||
| So they would like put these armor plates on the trunks of the elephants and the body of the elephant and they would put baskets on them and they would just go off in the battlefield and just be plucking people with arrows and just dropping spears on them. | ||
| So the elephant was always prevalent to the success of Thai culture. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Can you imagine going to battle riding a fucking elephant? | ||
| Something up there on the internet would fucking battle elephants. | ||
| Wasn't that in 300? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Yeah, the Thais were doing that shit against the Burmese back in the day. | ||
| Can you imagine you're in a fucking war with somebody and you see a bunch of dudes come towards you on elephants? | ||
| Dude, a giant fucking horse coming at me is one thing, but an elephant? | ||
| Like, ah, dude, we're outnumbered here. | ||
| We gotta fight them. | ||
| They're so big, man. | ||
| They are. | ||
| I was so nervous around them. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| We went to a place that rehabilitates them, and they reintroduce them back into the wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You didn't write it, though, I think. | ||
| Yeah, I wrote it. | ||
| You did? | ||
| I didn't like it, though. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I just didn't think it was necessary. | ||
| It's like, this thing doesn't want me to ride it. | ||
| Lincoln rejects the King of Siam's offer of elephants. | ||
| This is in 1862. Civil War. | ||
| Abraham Lincoln. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Oh, Civil War? | ||
| Yeah, I found that camel thing the other day, and I was like, I wonder if they used them here. | ||
| What, camels? | ||
| I just... | ||
| Yeah, I found something the other day when we were talking about something, and I stumbled across another article that said there were camels in the West, and they used them to travel and carry things to help develop the West. | ||
| At some point, they abandoned them, and there was like a, they called them the Red Ghost. | ||
| It was like a myth of this mythical animal that was 30 feet tall, supposedly eight grizzly bears, like I told you. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| That was a camel? | ||
| It ended up being a camel. | ||
| Yeah, people were just shooting them on sight because they didn't know what it was. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| So it says Lincoln pointed out that steam power had already taken the need for heavy animal power. | ||
| Yeah, I was just going to say, the train, that's the railroad system coming into play right there. | ||
| Lincoln was like, fuck you and your elephants, man. | ||
| We got trains, dude. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| But once the battle actually starts, a bunch of... | ||
| When you hear them trumpet, we were pretty close to one when it let out, maybe within 15 yards. | ||
| And it just went... | ||
| And you're like, whoa! | ||
| Serious animal. | ||
| In real life, that is so loud. | ||
| They're majestic, man. | ||
| They have such a presence. | ||
| It was raining out constantly there during the rainy season, so this elephant was moving through this unbelievably beautiful, lush, green landscape with fog and mist. | ||
| Cool as fog. | ||
| Chiang Mai's beautiful. | ||
| Huge tusks, and he lets out that trumpet, and you're like, whoa, that's a crazy animal. | ||
| Yeah, man, it's got a serious presence, being around a fucking elephant. | ||
| And these dudes just walk right up to him, pat it, and touch it. | ||
| Like, they were really well cared for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we went to a tiger sanctuary. | ||
| I was just going to say, did you do the tiger thing, too? | ||
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That was the opposite. | |
| Pat the tigers. | ||
| That was, no, I didn't like that at all. | ||
| They were drugged up. | ||
| All they had to be. | ||
| They got to be. | ||
| That was disturbing. | ||
| They gotta be, man. | ||
| See, there you go. | ||
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Oh, see there. | |
| In war. | ||
| Well, this guy's got a cannon. | ||
| He's got a fucking cannon on the top of an elephant. | ||
| What in the fuck? | ||
| That dude has a cannon. | ||
| That is a cannon. | ||
| That's a legit cannon. | ||
| There's a Civil War cannon on the top. | ||
| He's got a machine gun. | ||
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Look at him. | |
| He's got a.50 cal. | ||
| And what year is this? | ||
| This is a picture that shows up with that Lincoln and the elephants. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Trippy, dude. | ||
| Fucking elephants, man. | ||
| Oh, 50 cal. | ||
| Look at this thing. | ||
| See? | ||
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Wow. | |
| Look at all the guns. | ||
| Guns and spears. | ||
| Look at all the shit in the back. | ||
| What in the fuck, man? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's what I was talking about right there. | ||
| That is the shittiest way to see an army coming towards you. | ||
| Riding elephants. | ||
| It's like Braveheart. | ||
| You're like, do not retreat. | ||
| Hold your ground. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| They're such peaceful animals, too. | ||
| They eat so much, too. | ||
| You can't believe how much they eat. | ||
| That's the thing, yeah. | ||
| Dude, they walk around in the streets of Patia. | ||
| A handle will walk them up and down the city streets. | ||
| Then they give you fruit to feed them, like papaya. | ||
| They're like, hey, you want to feed the elephant? | ||
| And you tip the guy. | ||
| You see an elephant walking down the street through traffic in Patia. | ||
| It's fucking weird. | ||
| It's cool, though. | ||
| But every now and then, you see them just get pissed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, did you ever see the Elephants Gone Wild videos? | ||
| Yeah, when they're mistreated. | ||
| They start tipping over cars like they made out of cardboard. | ||
| I've seen that. | ||
| They're like, fuck everything. | ||
| Stampeding, stomping their trainers. | ||
| All pissed off. | ||
| Apparently they have tigers wild in Thailand as well. | ||
| They really do have tigers there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The tiger is another one of the tigers. | ||
| Do you think that it's maybe something in their diet that protects them from staff and from ringworm and all that jazz? | ||
| In terms of the fighters? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Perhaps because they eat such spicy food. | ||
| I was wondering. | ||
| Is that maybe related? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I tell you Thai spice, some of the kids from the camp would literally be dripping sweat, eating the spicy. | ||
| I was. | ||
| Sweating, dripping profusely, sweating, eating food. | ||
| I was. | ||
| Do you like spicy food? | ||
| Yeah, I love spicy food. | ||
| And I told them to go hard. | ||
| I said, do it like you would do it. | ||
| How you like. | ||
| Fucking juice it up, baby. | ||
| And they didn't, they fucking, they sent it. | ||
| I remember one of the first trips we had to Thailand. | ||
| I was with one of my buddies that went over it and he ordered some dish and the Thais were like, no, that's hot, that's spicy. | ||
| And he's like, no, that's all good. | ||
| Like, no, no, no, no, that's really spicy. | ||
| He's like, no, no, it's good. | ||
| I like spicy food. | ||
| I'll just drink a lot of water or whatever. | ||
| He goes, even hot for Thai people. | ||
| And I was like, bro, are you listening to what he's saying? | ||
| Come on, live and learn. | ||
| But he didn't know any better, and he went for it, and I'm telling you, bro. | ||
| There was three of us in a hotel room in Pattaya, Thailand, and I woke up in the middle of the night with him fucking shooting ass piss out of his ass. | ||
| Soaked the mattress, the bed, the sheets. | ||
| He found him in a ball on the bathroom floor, dude. | ||
| We had to take this kid to the nearest hospital. | ||
| We had to ride him on the bike. | ||
| We had to ride three people. | ||
| One driving, the kid in the middle, and me behind holding him up because he was out of it. | ||
| From spicy food? | ||
| Dude, he got so... | ||
| You sure it wasn't food porn? | ||
| No, no, it was just the spices just kicked his ass so, so bad. | ||
| He probably burnt a hole like an ulcer in his stomach, dude. | ||
| He was in the hospital for like three days on an IV, got a bill for like fucking nine bucks and we were out. | ||
| That was a wrap. | ||
| But he never ate the fucking same dish again, though. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I don't fuck with the spices too much. | ||
| I love Thai food, and I'll experiment with it, but I'm not like... | ||
| If my mouth is so hot and I can't taste the food, I don't enjoy it. | ||
| I'm just like, that's too much. | ||
| That doesn't seem right to me. | ||
| That seems like it would be more of a food poisoning issue. | ||
| It could have been, but all I know is that I'll never forget the smell of that hotel room. | ||
| You know it's bad when it soaks through the mattress. | ||
| And you know what the Thais do? | ||
| They fucking flip it over. | ||
| Next. | ||
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Next. | |
| I remember my buddy rented a house, like a little village house behind the camp, and this Australian guy was like, hey, your mate's fucking pretty scrappy, huh? | ||
| I was like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, man, he lives rough, man. | ||
| I know you like to do the Thai thing, but he's got fucking money. | ||
| You don't have to live like a fucking bum, you know? | ||
| I was like, alright, why? | ||
| What's the matter? | ||
| He's like, Man, the fucking house he's living in, man. | ||
| A fucking woman died of a fucking snake bite. | ||
| Died in her fucking bed, got bit by a snake. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| So I told my buddy, bro, he flipped the mattress over. | ||
| It was fucking soaked in blood. | ||
| They flipped the mattress and they fucking rented to the next foreigner coming in. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I remember literally going to visit him and taking his shoes off, going in his little fucking one-room hut. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Going to put my shoes on back, and he's like, shake your sneakers! | ||
| Shake them out! | ||
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I'm like, what? | |
| I'd shake a fucking tarantula out of my sneakers. | ||
| You gotta shake your sneakers. | ||
| You gotta shake your sneakers before you go running in the morning. | ||
| That was one of the first things I learned in Thailand. | ||
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Scorpion, shit. | |
| Dude, the first time I went to Thailand, I was jumping on the tires. | ||
| I don't know if you're familiar with it. | ||
| They have a truck tire, they lay down and they bounce on them. | ||
| So it's great. | ||
| What's that for? | ||
| It's literally like jumping rope, calf strength. | ||
| It's like jumping rope, but it's awesome because it's not pounding on your joints. | ||
| So you get the bounce of the tire. | ||
| And they just kind of alternate stance, and you bounce on the tire, and it's like, you know, your warm-up. | ||
| It's part of your warm-up. | ||
| So I'm bouncing on the tires, and this jacked tie guy comes walking out of the room, and he grabs a pair of gloves, and they usually put the laces over the ropes. | ||
| They hang the gloves to dry over the ropes, and he's like, mean as fuck, and he puts his hand in the glove, and he pulls his hand out, and a fucking tarantula hit the ground. | ||
| Literally, you could hear the weight of the spider, like, boom! | ||
| You're like I heard it hit the cement like the weight of the spider and this fucking thing moved so fast about Covered about 12 feet and jumped up four feet into a heavy bag and crawled in between the crack of the leather of the heavy bag I was like what the fuck was that? | ||
| And my buddy goes, oh, that's a bird-eating spider. | ||
| And I was like, a bird-eating... | ||
| Why do they call it a... | ||
| Wait a minute, it can fucking catch birds? | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| And then literally every time I put my gloves on, I would peek in them and tap on it and walk away and look at the glove. | ||
| Kick the glove a little bit and like, alright, one's good. | ||
| Let's try the other one on. | ||
| Every morning just shaking scorpions out of your sneakers and stuff. | ||
| You want to know something crazy? | ||
| We never had a rat problem here at all. | ||
| We had nothing. | ||
| And then my dog was here one day. | ||
| I brought the dog by and then all of a sudden we started having rat problems. | ||
| And then Jamie looked it up and rats are attracted to dogs. | ||
| The main thing that rats eat is dog shit. | ||
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Think about that for a second. | |
| I was just going to say, gotta be the feces. | ||
| So we literally didn't have any problem. | ||
| And then Jamie was like, dude, there's rat shit here. | ||
| We found rat shit. | ||
| And then Jeff, the other guy who works here, found a rat and killed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He grabbed it by the tail. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| And smacked that motherfucker. | ||
| How gangsta is that? | ||
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Dude. | |
| He grabbed it by the tail. | ||
| He saw the tail poking out from behind a box and he grabbed it and smacked it on the ground and killed it. | ||
| I'm good with rats. | ||
| But it was because Marshall was running around here that the rats smelled that the dog had been in there and they got in there. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Dog poop attracts rats because they like to eat it plain and simple. | ||
| In fact, dog poop is said to be the number one food source for rats in developed areas. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But meanwhile, Marshall didn't even shit in here. | ||
| Just the smell. | ||
| They might go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He pissed outside and he accidentally pissed in my gym. | ||
| He lifted his leg to pee on the rogue box, the step up box. | ||
| And I go, hey, cut the shit. | ||
| We're inside. | ||
| And then I took him outside and then he finished his piss. | ||
| So maybe the rat could smell the piss. | ||
| I was just going to say, yeah, the rat smells it. | ||
| That's fucked up, though, man. | ||
| That is fucked up. | ||
| We never had a problem. | ||
| I wonder how it works with those rat terriers. | ||
| They have dogs for that shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The little rat terrier. | ||
| Get a few of those little motherfuckers running around. | ||
| Those little motherfuckers. | ||
| Right? | ||
| They eat those things. | ||
| Those little things never shut up. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yep, yep, yep. | ||
| They're go, go, go. | ||
| My friend Vicky Lewis from NewsRadio, one of the actresses on NewsRadio, she had a Jack Russell. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| Great dog. | ||
| Great little dog. | ||
| It's a big dog in a little dog's body. | ||
| Like a huge attitude. | ||
| Like they step up to like big mastiffs and fucking punk them. | ||
| They're cool. | ||
| They're little rat killers. | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| They're rat terriers. | ||
| Like they're terriers. | ||
| Did you ever see that documentary on Netflix about rats? | ||
| Horrific. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Horrific. | ||
| Like just in terms of infestation and whatnot. | ||
| Oh, it's disgusting how many of them there are in big cities. | ||
| Like you realize what a real issue it is. | ||
| Dude, my wife freaks the fuck out if she sees a fucking rat. | ||
| She's smart. | ||
| She's smart. | ||
| Well, we had like a little incident. | ||
| We were fucking parked at a parking garage on the 4th of July. | ||
| We parked the car and we're walking down to watch the fireworks. | ||
| And she's standing there and she fucking felt something on her foot. | ||
| Giant fucking rat chewing on her fucking nail polish. | ||
| Freaked the fuck out. | ||
| Never been the same. | ||
| You literally like my son Dante always fucks with her. | ||
| He's like mom look a rat and she's fucking freaks the fuck out. | ||
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She's like Dante that's not funny stop that shit. | |
| We all laugh at it. | ||
| It's fucking hilarious. | ||
| Deathly afraid of rats. | ||
| Rats are nasty, dude. | ||
| They're so gross. | ||
| Rats are nasty. | ||
| They're good for something, though. | ||
| Don't they control something in terms of population? | ||
| They have benefits. | ||
| They're good at keeping rat populations high. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| What are they good for? | ||
| They're good for cleaning up dog shit. | ||
| That's nasty. | ||
| I can't even imagine that's their number one source of food. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| He must have horrible breath. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a creepy little survivor. | ||
| But the documentary on Netflix is brilliant. | ||
| I gotta check it out. | ||
| It really is good. | ||
| And in one of the scenes, they have these rat terriers tearing them apart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where they're digging into these holes and the rats come out and the dogs just grab them and mangle them. | ||
| That's what they're for. | ||
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What's up? | |
| Do you think they're like... | ||
| I just read something quickly and it doesn't really say much. | ||
| Do you think they eat trash and they help us? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| We throw trash away. | ||
| We don't need them to eat it. | ||
| They control some population. | ||
| They've got to be good for fucking something. | ||
| Well, there's an ecosystem, right? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Every animal has its little spot. | ||
| Dude, we get the big Boston rats. | ||
| They literally, like, they fucking punk cats. | ||
| They look like, they're, like, the size of, like, a possum. | ||
| They're, like, way bigger than, like, any jacked-up squirrel or anything like that. | ||
| They're just big, big. | ||
| The triangle tails, like, nasty. | ||
| They're survivor rats, rather. | ||
| They're out in that cold winter, and they figure out a way to get under the ground. | ||
| And fucking Boston rats, they got accents and shit. | ||
| They're like, dude, pack the car. | ||
| Fucking scally cap on. | ||
| Running around eating dog shit. | ||
| Do you ever think about bailing the fucking winters there and everything? | ||
| Does it get to you? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| All the time, yeah. | ||
| I mean, my parents are elderly. | ||
| I've got to keep an eye on them. | ||
| All my family's in Boston and my business is in Boston. | ||
| Luckily, I travel a lot, so it's kind of like the vent. | ||
| I get away and I'll do a day or two on a beach somewhere at a UFC event, and that'll be a little recharge. | ||
| But man, as I get older, I never really was overwhelmed with winters until I started getting older. | ||
| I'm like, dude, my body hurts. | ||
| My muscles ache. | ||
| My joints ache. | ||
| The cold's nasty. | ||
| Especially that New England cold, man. | ||
| It's like wet cold. | ||
| It takes so long for it to go away. | ||
| You got the fuck out. | ||
| I remember we talked about this. | ||
| You're like, fuck winter. | ||
| Fuck snow. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| I like some places where it gets cold. | ||
| Like, I love Colorado. | ||
| Yeah, I remember you lived there for a while. | ||
| I'd love it. | ||
| I'd move back there. | ||
| Jamie and I have talked about it. | ||
| Like, if this shit gets too crazy here... | ||
| It's a different cold, though. | ||
| It's like the... | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not as bad as, like, the New England winter. | ||
| It's just, like, wet. | ||
| Nasty. | ||
| Four-wheel drive, snow tires, warm clothes, fireplace. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Archery. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| In Colorado, it's sunny. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| Colorado's sunny like 300 plus days a year. | ||
| Boston, you go through months with that gray shit in the sky. | ||
| We don't see past the clouds. | ||
| You never see nothing. | ||
| Just a dull gray blanket. | ||
| Hanging over your head follows you around. | ||
| And the women, the attitude they have. | ||
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Like, what are you going to do for me? | |
| Well, you wonder why they're like that. | ||
| It's fucking miserable. | ||
| But I'll tell you what, though. | ||
| Boston in the summer. | ||
| I love Boston in the summer. | ||
| Oh, it's amazing. | ||
| As soon as the sun's out, guns out, everybody's running around. | ||
| Girls are dressing half-dressed. | ||
| Everybody looks happy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Everybody's happy. | ||
| Everybody's chilling. | ||
| Boston in the summer is cool. | ||
| I like Boston. | ||
| I'm a Boston native. | ||
| I always will be true and true, but definitely not a fan of the winters. | ||
| You think you're going to bail someday? | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| Where are you going to go? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
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Possibly. | |
| You looking for work? | ||
| You hiring? | ||
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Listen. | |
| If I was going to hire a Muay Thai coach, start up a gym. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I've almost relocated a few times. | ||
| They could use one out here, honestly. | ||
| Yeah, there's not a real dedicated Muay Thai gym anywhere near me. | ||
| I got offers, obviously, working for the company and whatnot. | ||
| Some offers to move to Vegas and whatnot. | ||
| At first, I was like, fuck Vegas. | ||
| I'll never live in Vegas. | ||
| But then I started hanging around with the right people. | ||
| Henderson. | ||
| Oh, dude, out of Summerlin, like, where, like, Lorenzo lives, like, hanging out, going to, like, football games with Lorenzo and the family. | ||
| Like, dude, there's, like, families, little kids riding bikes down the street. | ||
| It's normal. | ||
| It's normal. | ||
| It felt normal. | ||
| Like, Summerlin in Vegas felt normal to me. | ||
| Like, I felt like I could actually live in Summerlin, like, you know. | ||
| The thing about it is... | ||
| I need to be near the ocean. | ||
| ...all connected to the evil dick of Vegas. | ||
| It's all like all the jizz comes out of the evil dick and that's what powers all those communities. | ||
| Those communities wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the casino. | ||
| You're absolutely right, man. | ||
| The worst is seeing the locals. | ||
| Get their check on Fridays and they go right to the fucking casino and they just blow through it. | ||
| It's fucking sad to see, man. | ||
| Vegas is a fucking weird place, dude. | ||
| I'm way over Vegas. | ||
| People are like, oh, you're going to Vegas? | ||
| That's fucking awesome, dude. | ||
| I've never been there. | ||
| I'm like, dude, it's nothing awesome about fucking Vegas. | ||
| Well, the good parts are really good. | ||
| The restaurants are amazing. | ||
| Vegas has some of the best restaurants. | ||
| They still have 24-hour pool halls. | ||
| I was just going to say, that's one thing that I like about Vegas. | ||
| Nothing's ever closed. | ||
| You want a fucking burger, it's fucking 4 o'clock in the morning, go fucking get a burger somewhere. | ||
| You want to go out, you want to have a drink, you want to play pool, like we've done many times, like, late at night, middle of night. | ||
| That's what I love about it. | ||
| I'm a night owl, for sure. | ||
| I don't sleep well at night. | ||
| If I were to choose just to operate from the sunset, sundown, to sunup, and then sleep all day, I would. | ||
| Other than laying in the sun, I'm a night owl, for sure. | ||
| But that's the one thing I do like about Vegas. | ||
| Nothing's ever closed. | ||
| It makes you feel weird. | ||
| Why can't I buy a drink at 3 a.m.? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| How come I can't have a beer when I want to have a beer? | ||
| Am I a grown man? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's like after 2, everybody gets crazy. | ||
| You gotta stop! | ||
| Stop it! | ||
| Isn't that weird that we have time or we tell you, look, you've got to go to bed. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| As if it's going to give us structure and teach us lessons. | ||
| But I guess it does. | ||
| It does, right? | ||
| Like the gambling thing. | ||
| The thing about gambling is if gambling was everywhere, then it would normalize. | ||
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Right. | |
| But it's not everywhere. | ||
| It's just in a couple spots. | ||
| So when you get to it, that's when people are up playing cards at fucking 5 o'clock in the morning, bleary-eyed, betting their mortgage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pumping oxygen into the casinos. | ||
| Dude, so many people go there and lose everything. | ||
| Everything they have. | ||
| I can't even fathom that. | ||
| It happens all the time. | ||
| Do you gamble? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| I'll entertain and play some blackjack or something like that if my buddies are playing, but I don't go out of my way to gamble. | ||
| I like bets on fights. | ||
| I was just going to say the same thing. | ||
| I like betting fights. | ||
| I like doing stuff like that. | ||
| Bets with friends or whatever. | ||
| Betting fights just makes it more interesting. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Like, you know, like, yeah, give me 50 bucks on this. | ||
| And then while you're watching it, you're like, come on, come on. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Yes. | ||
| And then you always feel real sneaky when you get a shit decision. | ||
| You're like, ooh, we won that one. | ||
| We didn't deserve it. | ||
| My buddy, one of the guys I train, Rico DeShulo, he bets fights and he is fucking spot on, man. | ||
| He doesn't miss. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, dude, he can... | ||
| Literally, I consult him between... | ||
| Because, you know, Marin in the truck, I'm always betting with Marin. | ||
| We're always just betting on fights. | ||
| And I go right to my buddy, Rico. | ||
| I'm like, Rico, what do you got? | ||
| Did you consult him about this weekend? | ||
| Yes, and he was spot on with every fight except for one. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Nicola, Mateus Nicolo, who got caught by Dustin Ortiz. | ||
| I think that was the only fight he missed. | ||
| That was a crazy head kick. | ||
| It was, man. | ||
| And he set it up nice, too. | ||
| He set it up real nice because, you know, it almost looked... | ||
| It was like delayed. | ||
| It's almost like one speed, and then it changed direction. | ||
| It changed speed, and he went high with it. | ||
| He set it up good. | ||
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It was done well. | |
| Yeah, it almost like... | ||
| Not a question mark kick, but it looked like he was going to the middle. | ||
| Bring that up real quick, Jamie. | ||
| Take a peek at that. | ||
| Because it's like he was establishing a low kick at first, and then it's almost like he looked like he was going to throw a low kick, and then he changed the speed of the kick. | ||
| I call it the delay. | ||
| If you delay the kick and you change the timing of the kick, it's hard to read. | ||
| That's how he caught him. | ||
| He actually had a glove up, too, oddly enough, but it went right through the glove. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a good angle. | ||
| Dustin looked good, though, man. | ||
| He looked real good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a stud, you know? | ||
| Yeah, he really is. | ||
| Well, they need people at that weight class. | ||
| Who the fuck is there after this weekend? | ||
| Who's there? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| I mean, unless TJ comes down or Cody comes down, depending on who wins this fight, apparently they can both make the weight. | ||
| And that's another thing, too. | ||
| Wasn't Demetrius concerned with that he's going to commit to having a fight with one of them and then go through a full camp and then they miss weight and he's fucked? | ||
| So he said, like, take a fight. | ||
| I agree with that 100%. | ||
| I do, but I don't think they would miss weight. | ||
| Those guys are super professional. | ||
| Both of them are. | ||
| And TJ had already said he'd made the weight before. | ||
| He has? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He's tried it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Well, he seems smaller than he used to be. | ||
| I was just going to say, yeah, he's definitely a lot leaner than he used to be. | ||
| Is this it here? | ||
| What part of the fight do you want me to get to? | ||
| They have these little things. | ||
| Just the knockout itself, the finish. | ||
| The Dustin Ortiz finish against Mateus Nicola, was it? | ||
| This is a chick fight, dude. | ||
| You don't know what you're doing. | ||
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| That kid, Matias though, Nicolo, he trained, he came through the gym through a couple of my Brazilian students, Saul and Rodrigo. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| This kid's tough, man. | ||
| So Dustin, that was an impressive win, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they're literally our... | ||
| See how it kind of delayed? | ||
| Do you see that? | ||
| Yeah, try to play that back again. | ||
| He changes speed in the kick. | ||
| I noticed that in the replay when we were calling him. | ||
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I was like, look at this, how he does this. | |
| Let's see here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's right here. | ||
| Watch the speed change. | ||
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You see it? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| In the beginning. | ||
| That's what made it difficult to read. | ||
| It also came up at a weird angle. | ||
| Yeah, it did. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It came up like at a 45 degree angle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It won't let go. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Did he bonus for this fight? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I do not like bonuses. | ||
| I do not like win bonuses. | ||
| I don't like them. | ||
| I don't think win bonuses. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Because I don't think you should be paid more to win. | ||
| Everyone's trying to win. | ||
| I don't think you should lose because a fucking judge who has no idea what they're talking about. | ||
| Look, he blocked that fairly decent. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He had the glove up. | ||
| And still got KO'd. | ||
| Right through. | ||
| Or just got rocked. | ||
| I don't think, especially since they haven't dealt well at all with the judging issue. | ||
| I mean, they really have done a terrible job with judging. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| These state commissions. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's so much bad judging. | ||
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I agree. | |
| So if you have three people, I think the system sucks. | ||
| I think the judging system itself, the 10-point must system, is outdated. | ||
| It's not right for MMA. It's great for boxing. | ||
| It's not good for MMA. Yeah. | ||
| I think it needs to be revamped and restructured, and I think it should be a completely different system. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then I think on top of that the judges are incompetent. | ||
| There's so much incompetence. | ||
| I was just gonna say it's incompetence is what it really is. | ||
| You have those factors and then you have win bonuses. | ||
| So you have bad decisions all the time and then with these bad decisions you give a win bonus to the wrong person and the wrong person gets fucked over. | ||
| You know, and the swing is half the pay. | ||
| Yeah, and at their level, the pay scale, it's just like they're already making fucking peanuts. | ||
| Yeah, and if you're not making peanuts, it costs you more. | ||
| It costs you $100,000. | ||
| It costs you even more than that. | ||
| If you make $150,000 and $150,000, and then you should have won a fight and you lost, you lost $150,000 because those three people are incompetent. | ||
| That's right, exactly. | ||
| Because they did a fucking eight-hour course on a Saturday. | ||
| Never fucking put a glove on. | ||
| And they don't care. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| They're not fans. | ||
| They just do that because that's their job. | ||
| And it's a cool job. | ||
| To tell their boys it's a cool job. | ||
| There are some judges that do know what they're doing. | ||
| Yeah, there's a small handful of them. | ||
| And they have to helicopter them in. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| It's a crazy system. | ||
| The system badly needs to be updated. | ||
| I don't understand why they haven't. | ||
| It just doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| I'm with you, homie. | ||
| But I don't like the win bonus thing, man. | ||
| I just think you should get paid. | ||
| It should be a flat rate like it is in boxing. | ||
| I don't think it incentivizes people to fight harder. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| I think the winners are always going to try to win. | ||
| Like I said about fighting, don't fight technical. | ||
| You go out there and you let it all hang out. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| You're going to have a nice short career if you do that. | ||
| And that's what happens to those guys. | ||
| It does, yeah. | ||
| It's good for the business. | ||
| It's good for the company. | ||
| It's good for that night, the views, the way the people are watching. | ||
| It'll be a little bit more entertaining. | ||
| But you're not going to make it. | ||
| You're going to leave half your brain in that octagon. | ||
| That's another thing, too, man. | ||
| We talk about that all the time, too, is seeing these guys take trauma the way they do, man. | ||
| It's hard to watch, man. | ||
| We've spoke about this briefly in the past, but as much as a fan as I am and as involved as I am in the sport, man, it's hard to watch sometimes, man, seeing these guys take the damage they do. | ||
| I think I told you a story before. | ||
| Marcus Davis, after his fight, coincidentally enough, I believe with Chris Lytle, he lost his sense of smell for like seven months. | ||
| He couldn't he couldn't smell I remember I told you about this but you know he couldn't smell like anything which means you can't taste so like he would he'd be like bro I'd smell like shit and like people have to tell me like bro you fucking stink and then he'd be like I put on too much clone be like bro easy on the cologne like he had no clue like you know he couldn't taste like lemonade tastes like fucking fruit punch he had no fucking clue he had no sense of smell or taste for seven months imagine that easy came back Thank God it did, yeah. | ||
| But he even said, I was like, would you miss the most? | ||
| And he's like, the smell of my daughter's hair. | ||
| And I was like, whoa. | ||
| That's fucking trippy, dude. | ||
| And he kept fighting after that. | ||
| I was like, check, please. | ||
| I'm all set. | ||
| And he kept fighting. | ||
| Dude, that was, I don't want to say early in his career, but maybe halfway through. | ||
| Well, he, again, came from that school of hard knocks in Boston with the hard sparring. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Hard sparring, you know, hard training. | ||
| That's what I was saying about Jeremy Stevens earlier, to bring it all back around. | ||
| Jeremy Spar's hard. | ||
| You know, I was talking to Jocko about it. | ||
| It's like, you know, Jeremy's an animal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I remember discussing that with Lorenzo back in the day. | ||
| He went to Brazil when they were doing the Aldo pieces and whatnot. | ||
| He went to noven down he said man these fucking guys kill each other in the gym. | ||
| Yeah, he's like this It's like literally like they're a hundred percent headhunting trying to kill each other I don't agree with that at all. | ||
| No, obviously not good horrible And there's so many guys that get really badly rocked on their way to fights. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, yeah and then all the time if you like sometimes like if a guy takes a big punch like and he gets a flash ko like and in the in the gym like If we gotta pull him from a fight because he's affected at that point. | ||
| There's residual there. | ||
| It's still lingering. | ||
| No way around it. | ||
| No way around it, man. | ||
| I even had a student of mine, my guy Tommy. | ||
| He got into a car accident a week before his fight. | ||
| And this kid's got a granite chin and he got caught. | ||
| And we attribute it to the impact of the car crash. | ||
| We said it had to have been like you suffered some head trauma because he hit his head in the car crash. | ||
| And he was susceptible. | ||
| He was vulnerable to the KO because of the trauma that he took. | ||
| You're taking big punches in the gym like that and then you go on on fight night, it's that much easier for you to get lights out. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| But it's so hard to make a tough elite fighter without subjecting them to real... | ||
| Well, you see like Robbie Lala, like he's talked about, he doesn't spar anymore. | ||
| Well, he didn't for a long time. | ||
| He didn't for a long time. | ||
| And then he did when he went to ATT. Okay. | ||
| But for a long time he didn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like all through his strike force career he didn't spar. | ||
| Which seems crazy. | ||
| He's like, I already know how to fight. | ||
| Okay, I'm not going to argue with you. | ||
| Yeah, I was just going to say, that boy can't fight. | ||
| You can't argue with that. | ||
| He definitely knows how to fight. | ||
| He can fucking fight that guy. | ||
| He's had a lot of tough fights. | ||
| That's why I was so impressive what Rafael dos Anjos did to him. | ||
| I was like, dos Anjos just sort of dismantled him. | ||
| I didn't see that coming. | ||
| And then Colby Covington dismantled Dos Anjos. | ||
| I was like, what in the hell? | ||
| He took him apart. | ||
| Dude, gas tank for days. | ||
| Relentless fucking pressure. | ||
| I got tired watching the fucking fight. | ||
| I was gassed in the truck like... | ||
| Meanwhile, Dos Anjos is known for his cardio. | ||
| He's one of Nick Curzon's pupils. | ||
| So he's like, you know, trains in that Marv Marinovich style. | ||
| I honestly, like, around the second round, I was like, there's no way he can keep this pace up. | ||
| He's gotta fade. | ||
| And he never fucking faded. | ||
| He never faded. | ||
| Did you see him hand the belt to Donald Trump? | ||
| I was looking at it on the way here. | ||
| I was looking at it. | ||
| I was like, that's crazy. | ||
| It said something like on MMA Junkie, like he comes through with his, as stated, he comes through. | ||
| He said he's going to bring the belt to the White House. | ||
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He's got fucking Donald Trump with a strap over his shoulder. | |
| It's so funny, man. | ||
| He's a madman. | ||
| He's got the MAGA hat on, big smile on his face. | ||
| He's got the red hat on. | ||
| Dude, he's fucking sold it, man. | ||
| He has, man. | ||
| And you've got to remember, early in Colby's career, he wasn't like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wasn't like that. | ||
| He just figured it out. | ||
| Where did he come from? | ||
| I know he's at ATT. Oregon. | ||
| But where was he training before ATT? That's a good question. | ||
| I do not know. | ||
| Because he kind of, I don't want to say came out of nowhere, like he earned his way in, but he really like, it was like, there is this sick fucking bastard. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's so funny that a red hat with white letters can get you punched now. | ||
| I mean, it could say anything. | ||
| This girl had a hat on that said, Make Bitcoin Great Again, and they fucking pepper spray her in the face. | ||
| What's that hat say on Kobe? | ||
| What's the hat say? | ||
| Make America Great Again. | ||
| Make America Great Again, right, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but a red hat with white letters is racist now. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| That might as well be a Nazi flag to some people. | ||
| Dude, this, this... | ||
| Flags have gone so crazy. | ||
| It is crazy right now, dude. | ||
| It's such a topsy-turvy world we're living in. | ||
| Burning flags and shit. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Well, listen, brother, we've got to get out of here. | ||
| Yeah, we've got to go to the weigh-ins, man. | ||
| We've got to get to the weigh-ins. | ||
| It's at 3 o'clock today, right? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| I think 3 o'clock at Dorfium. | ||
| Yeah, and it's probably a three-hour drive. | ||
| Delegrate, karate. | ||
| Sit your tongue in Boston. | ||
| Tell people how they can get to your gym. | ||
| Look me up, man. | ||
| Literally one of the very best Muay Thai gyms and MMA gyms on the planet Earth. | ||
| And it's in Somerville. | ||
| Spell it. | ||
| S-I-T-Y-O-D-T-O-N-G. Sit Yod Tong. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's in Boston, Massachusetts. | ||
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Awesome. | |
| Don't sleep. | ||
| Mark Delagrate. | ||
| Love you, buddy. | ||
| Love you, bro. | ||
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Let's do it. |
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