July 28, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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3, 2, 1 Thank you. | |
| Boom! | ||
| I don't want to start off like this is a commercial, dude, but this fucking thing you have, this Tim Tam thing, this is incredible! | ||
| It's sick, huh? | ||
| I've never, I've seen some of these different ones online, people using them, TheraThings, you know, I don't know what they call them, TheraGun, I think, but this fucking thing is amazing! | ||
| This is the most powerful one, it has the highest travel and it's the best price. | ||
| So, I mean, it's- Out of all the different ones of these things online? | ||
| Yeah, this is the best one. | ||
| So what this is, folks, we took the battery out. | ||
| I'll pop the battery back in real quick. | ||
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You want to pop it in? | |
| I'll pop it in real quick. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Just so people can see. | ||
| That's how impressed I am by this thing. | ||
| So I've had this nagging muscle in my hip, and then, like, instantaneously, this fucking thing, you hold it, folks, and you get it, like, right on a spot. | ||
| For me, it's, like, right here. | ||
| I go... | ||
| And it just loosens that motherfucker up. | ||
| This is so much more powerful than any of those massagers that you get from a store. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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There's no massager more powerful than this one on the market. | |
| This is not for mom and dad. | ||
| This is for the guy playing soccer, football, MMA, CrossFit. | ||
| That's for the hardcore athletes. | ||
| And you invented this? | ||
| I started the company. | ||
| I started the company. | ||
| I bought one of those DMS. I don't know if you ever heard of those. | ||
| It's called Deep Muscle Stimulator. | ||
| We were talking about that before, and I said, save this, save this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| So what is that? | ||
| The Deep Muscle Stimulator, it's like a stainless steel, high-powered massager that you have to plug in. | ||
| It cost me three grand. | ||
| I bought it. | ||
| I had a really bad sciatica for two years. | ||
| I almost stopped training. | ||
| I almost had to take a... | ||
| I've got a problem with that right now. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Sciatica? | |
| Okay, this is going to help you out. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| Yeah, it comes and goes. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| I was so bad, I couldn't sleep. | ||
| Like, I could not sleep because I was in so much pain. | ||
| Does yours go all the way? | ||
| I get mine in my calf sometimes. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No, I'm lucky. | ||
| Yeah, it goes all the way down to the calf for some weird reason. | ||
| Me, it went down to the hamstring, and it stopped there. | ||
| Like, I was able to stop the problem there. | ||
| But they say you can go all the way down to the calf. | ||
| That's getting bad, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Ooh, let me get my calf right now. | ||
| Motherfucker. | ||
| So I bought that DMS. Ah! | ||
| There it is, you know. | ||
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That's the DMS. Great machine. | |
| Great machine, but it overheats. | ||
| It costs three grand. | ||
| And what does that piston do? | ||
| Does it hammer you? | ||
| Yeah, it hammers you. | ||
| Just like this? | ||
| Yeah, but it has a lesser travel. | ||
| This one has a greater travel. | ||
| So that one, the DMS is a little bit too vibration. | ||
| It's not as much travel. | ||
| It's not as much percussion. | ||
| Percussion is what you're looking for. | ||
| And so when I got together with a company from the U.S., Disrupt. | ||
| We put together the TimTam.Tech company. | ||
| We went to China. | ||
| We checked out a hundred different type of guns. | ||
| We got this one going. | ||
| This was the best one. | ||
| Dude, this fucking thing's incredible. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I hate to sound like you paid me to do an endorsement. | ||
| He didn't, folks. | ||
| This is this fucking thing. | ||
| These should be flying off the charts. | ||
| They shouldn't even need drones. | ||
| They should just be flying themselves. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
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Damn. | |
| You know, the thing with the Deep Muscle Stimulator is we have to share it in the gym. | ||
| You buy your own personal gun. | ||
| Because the Deep Muscle Stimulator is $3000 to lend it out. | ||
| How much is one of these? | ||
| It's $400. | ||
| Five year warranty. | ||
| That's a fucking bargain. | ||
| For anybody who trains really hard, that's a bargain. | ||
| It's a massage for life. | ||
| It's your health. | ||
| That's nice, man. | ||
| It's like a sawzall. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's like you took a sawzall and you put a little rubber ball on the end of it. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| We tried so many other type of machines, but they're all overheat, weak. | ||
| They're not efficient. | ||
| The most efficient has already been created. | ||
| So we just retooled it. | ||
| We just rechanged it. | ||
| We made it so that you can use it on the human body. | ||
| There's some modifications made, but that's it. | ||
| I mean, it's pretty simple. | ||
| It's the most efficient type of design they have. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of, it's really hard to find someone who can massage you correctly. | ||
| It's very hard to find someone as good. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Someone who could really break up the tissue. | ||
| But even if you do, like, what this thing can do, this thing is like vibrating you and shaking everything loose. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I have a cone tip I gotta send you. | ||
| It goes even deeper. | ||
| So if you can handle deep tissue, I'm gonna send you a bunch of them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, you're gonna love it. | ||
| We have also cold tip, hot tip. | ||
| Oh, so you freeze them? | ||
| Yeah, you can freeze them because that helps kill the pain. | ||
| So if you have an acute injury and after like a week or two and you want to start working on it, the cold of the tip It helps numb the pain. | ||
| It helps manage pain a little more. | ||
| And the hot tip helps loosen up the muscle a little further. | ||
| I mostly use the cone tip. | ||
| The cone tip is for those who have, you know, your experience with massage. | ||
| You're able to go deep tissue. | ||
| And for some people it hurts. | ||
| For me it's perfect. | ||
| So you find where the scar tissue is and you can break it up. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The surface area on the cone tip is obviously smaller so it goes even deeper and unlocks that muscle real quick. | ||
| So for me, I don't have the time for foam rolling. | ||
| That's the main reason why I wanted a product like this because foam rolling takes forever to really loosen up a muscle. | ||
| And I'm in the gym all day. | ||
| Do I want to stay in the gym another hour rolling up and down on a foam roller? | ||
| I think you've got to do something though, right? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You kind of have to do something. | ||
| If you're training hard and you want to train for life... | ||
| Do you use those, well we don't have one in the room, but do you ever use those? | ||
| What do they call it? | ||
| Supernova? | ||
| Supernova wad balls. | ||
| But it's larger. | ||
| It's like a big blue one. | ||
| I love that thing. | ||
| Rogue makes it. | ||
| That fucker gets in there. | ||
| But this is even better than that. | ||
| This thing is incredible, man. | ||
| I like the ball for my back. | ||
| When I do my back, I feel like I can lie down on it. | ||
| I can get the pressure I want. | ||
| But when I do my legs, I use the Tim Tam. | ||
| Yeah, when I go on the road, I bring that ball with me and I'll put it on the ground in a hotel room and I'll bridge on it. | ||
| Just hit certain spots and pop everything loose. | ||
| You need a lot of body weight. | ||
| Sometimes I put a kettlebell on my chest and you get even deeper. | ||
| You can really unlock a muscle like this. | ||
| You can really get in there and really unlock it. | ||
| For people who train, they know. | ||
| When you get that nagging tight muscle in your neck, in your shoulder, your shoulder blades, And then you're on the mat, you do a quick movement, you know? | ||
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Yes. | |
| That's scary. | ||
| Dude, I did it once in the shower. | ||
| I had something going on in my neck, I guess, and I didn't realize how bad it was, and I turned in the shower to get something, and it popped. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then for like days, I was locked up. | ||
| I've had that done also, but it's all about keeping the muscles loose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good posture. | ||
| You know, Kelly Starr wrote a book. | ||
| You had him on this show. | ||
| Yeah, he's great. | ||
| He's a really amazing guy. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He really changed my life, honestly. | ||
| I'm telling you, reading his book, Suppled Leopard, everybody who knows me, follows me, they know I always talk about this book. | ||
| You know, he said something so important. | ||
| He said, look, it comes down to two things. | ||
| Good alignment. | ||
| And loose muscles. | ||
| You got to keep your body aligned and loose muscles. | ||
| And I just followed those two principles. | ||
| I mean, his book is really, really excellent. | ||
| And when I read his book, that's when I reached out to him to work with George. | ||
| Because I don't know if you've ever seen when George does a backflip and he lands, his knees always kind of... | ||
| Come in together. | ||
| Have you ever seen, like, watch him do a backflip. | ||
| That's called, I was reading his book and I saw that's the vulgus fault. | ||
| He calls that the vulgus fault. | ||
| When you do a squat and your knees come close to one another. | ||
| And he's like, that can cause ACL tears. | ||
| And I'm like, I know a guy with two ACL tears and he does that all the time. | ||
| I see him do that all the time. | ||
| It's something I've always noticed about George. | ||
| His knees always bow in when we do lifts, when we do jumps, when we do hurdles. | ||
| I mean, I've watched George jump up and down literally thousands of times. | ||
| And I saw his knees bow in all the time. | ||
| And he's like, well, then I reached out to him. | ||
| I said, hey, could you help me correct George's? | ||
| There it is. | ||
| That's the vulgus fault. | ||
| And he's like, sure. | ||
| And ever since then, George's knees have been a lot better. | ||
| What did you do to fix it? | ||
| Well, what he does, it's a technical skill. | ||
| It's a skill. | ||
| So he has a few different exercises to help you correct it. | ||
| So you put a band around your knees and you kind of push out on the band. | ||
| But really what we do is we'll make George do a lift or a jump, film it, send it to Kelly, and he'll tell us how aligned we are and what directions to go. | ||
| So he kind of coaches us on how to avoid this fault. | ||
| However, really, at the end of the day, it's about keeping your knees turned to the outside. | ||
| I used to walk up the stairs and have a pain in my knee. | ||
| Do you ever have that, when you walk upstairs? | ||
| No. | ||
| I used to have pain in my knee walking up the stairs. | ||
| Just from stairs? | ||
| Just from walking upstairs. | ||
| And I didn't know why. | ||
| And then I read his book and he's like, look, when you walk up a step, you got to keep your toes straight and turn your knee out. | ||
| I was like, really? | ||
| And I started doing that. | ||
| My pain was gone immediately. | ||
| Keep your toes straight. | ||
| Straight. | ||
| Like toes forward and turn your knee out. | ||
| Turn your knee to the outside. | ||
| So he says, look, this is your ACL. See this here? | ||
| This is your ACL. Cross your ACL. That's the ACL. You put it in your kneecap. | ||
| That's your knee. | ||
| When you turn your knee to the outside, look, it tightens it up. | ||
| That takes away all the slack. | ||
| So what happens when you're going up the stairs, your ACL is just jiggling around and getting sheared. | ||
| But when you tighten it up, You go up, you're secured. | ||
| So he calls it creating torque. | ||
| He's a brilliant book, man. | ||
| He's a brilliant guy. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| So even when you run hills, you should do that? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You should always be aligned. | ||
| Whenever your body's under pressure or stress, whether you're wrestling or whatnot, you should always have torque. | ||
| So like, look, grab your shirt like this. | ||
| Okay, grab your shirt. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He gives an example in the book. | ||
| Excellent example. | ||
| So now grab the shirt and twist it here. | ||
| Create torque. | ||
| Now look, you have a much more stable grip. | ||
| You know, a judica is always going to grab the lapels and twist them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So when you grab the bar, let's say you're going to do a bench press. | ||
| Maybe, you know, it's not the best exercise or not, but the principle is still at work. | ||
| When you grab the bar, you should be... | ||
| Torquing the bar. | ||
| When you're doing push-ups, your hands are on the mat and you're torquing. | ||
| Even though your hands are not turning, literally, you're just torquing. | ||
| When you do that, you feel that all the slack is eaten up. | ||
| There's no more slack. | ||
| There's no more trampoline effect. | ||
| There's no more jiggling. | ||
| Everything's tight. | ||
| The system is tight. | ||
| And it's very, very important that the system be tight and that the weight be on the muscles. | ||
| So if you're properly aligned when you're doing a maneuver, the weight is on the bone. | ||
| Not on the tendons. | ||
| So if you put your weight like this on your fingers, you'll see that the bone is carrying. | ||
| If you bend your bones here, if you're unaligned and you start putting pressure, now you see your muscles are starting to work overtime. | ||
| So when I'm carrying weight, I need to have it on my bones and or my muscles, never on the tendons and ligaments. | ||
| They say that with backpackers. | ||
| You know what backpackers do? | ||
| They keep their legs as stiff as possible and they take short, like sort of short steps. | ||
| Like guys who are mountaineer guys, they don't take like big high steps. | ||
| They kind of keep their legs stiff and they walk with their skeleton. | ||
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Right. | |
| They try to let their skeleton carry. | ||
| You see me, I'm sitting on this chair. | ||
| This chair has no muscles. | ||
| But it's holding me up. | ||
| Because of the structure. | ||
| Structure is a type of strength. | ||
| If you take an egg and you try to squeeze it in a certain way, you can't break it. | ||
| You ever seen that experiment? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because you're actually trying to crush a cylinder. | ||
| To crush a cylinder takes a tremendous amount of force. | ||
| However, to break a stick in half takes a very little amount of force. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It has a lot to do with the structure. | ||
| If you're trying to compress matter on itself, it won't. | ||
| It would take a tremendous amount of force to do that. | ||
| Tremendous amount of power. | ||
| However, if you want to separate The material by bending it at the middle is very easy, but to compress it, to compress material on itself, it takes a tremendous amount of energy. | ||
| Right, so anytime you're going outside of your alignment, you're allowing things to compress. | ||
| Yeah, that's why it makes so much sense to keep your legs straight when you're hiking. | ||
| It's like a horse that sleeps, right? | ||
| He's sleeping. | ||
| If he aligns his legs perfectly straight, he's using structure to hold him up instead of muscular strength. | ||
| So, I mean, I remember you had him on the show and you guys had a very interesting conversation. | ||
| And he was talking about front squatting will make you have a great guard. | ||
| But I think you guys misunderstood each other, actually. | ||
| Because you were like, no, front squatting has nothing to do with having a great guard. | ||
| And I agree with both of you. | ||
| But I think you guys were not talking about the exact same thing. | ||
| He's talking about having the mobility. | ||
| To squat down really low in the front squat will help your guard. | ||
| Not necessarily having a big lift. | ||
| He wasn't talking about lifting 300 pounds in the front squat. | ||
| It's going to make you a great guard player. | ||
| That's irrelevant. | ||
| I think what he was talking about is having incredible mobility in your hips. | ||
| You ever see a child pick up something off the floor, like a newborn baby? | ||
| He's going to get into this perfect, perfect squat. | ||
| Well, if you look at guard players, the best guard players always have incredible flexibility in their hips. | ||
| Because I always tell people, the higher you can bring your hips to your chest, The harder it is for me to pass your guard. | ||
| Like if you're one of those guys where your knee is like this, you know, you're trying to re-guard and your knee is this far. | ||
| The space for me to pass your guard is huge. | ||
| Giant, yeah. | ||
| But if you can bring this foot behind your head and your hips, the window, the space that I need to cross to get to side control is so small. | ||
| Yeah, Eddie has... | ||
| Excuse me, one of his students is named Sean Bollinger, and he has crazy flexibility. | ||
| I've seen him. | ||
| I've seen him. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| The double... | ||
| Yeah, he could do double lotus, and he could literally take his legs and put them behind his head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he could just pull his legs back. | ||
| How many great guard players have you seen who can do that? | ||
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A lot of guys. | |
| Yeah, like Ryan Hall, for instance. | ||
| Keenan. | ||
| Yeah, Keenan. | ||
| I mean, they have this flexibility to them. | ||
| Passing the guards becomes very, very difficult. | ||
| It's almost impossible. | ||
| It's almost impossible. | ||
| It's like they just spin a little bit and you're back in something again and you're tied up and then you add in leg locks and you're kind of fucked. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because they're spinning to your leg while you're trying to pass their guard. | ||
| Hip flexibility is so paramount in Jiu Jitsu. | ||
| For bottom game especially. | ||
| And it's so devastating when you have a hip injury. | ||
| Hip injuries and, you know, I know guys who have had hip replacements and it's like, boy, you know, then you're so severely limited in what you can do afterwards. | ||
| You got to never let it get there, in my opinion. | ||
| According to Kelly, he says your joints can last you 120 years. | ||
| Like if you take care of them. | ||
| He says there's 2% catastrophe, meaning you got hit by a bus. | ||
| Okay, that's something we can't do anything about. | ||
| 98% of the time is because you didn't take care of your joints. | ||
| You haven't properly used them. | ||
| And you let muscles get tight for too long, over a long period of time. | ||
| So for me, personally, I feel like when I was 20. I feel better now than when I was 25. Because at 25, I was really beat up. | ||
| 26, 27, I was really like, hey, my knees, my back, my neck, you know, training every day, twice a day, it was grueling. | ||
| But after I went through that system, I came back out fresh. | ||
| And now whenever I have a little tweak or anything like that, I take care of it immediately. | ||
| I kill it. | ||
| I don't let any tweak creep up, go any further. | ||
| And I feel much more energy. | ||
| When I keep the body healthy and loose, I feel a lot more energy. | ||
| I feel better. | ||
| My mood is better. | ||
| It's the balance between being tough And, you know, being mentally strong enough to like push through training when you're, you know, you're not feeling your best and knowing that you're fucking up your vehicle. | ||
| Knowing that you're fucking up your body. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| There's a balance. | ||
| Hard for fighters in particular because they want to be tough. | ||
| You know, so you got some weird little thing in your leg like, whatever, I'm just going to work through it. | ||
| And you say, I'm just going to go light. | ||
| Which is hilarious. | ||
| People who say they're going to go light, you go light and then you get tagged. | ||
| And then you want to get someone back, and the next thing you know, you're not going light. | ||
| And then that thing in your leg is all fucked up. | ||
| And then next thing you know, you go to a doctor, you have an MCL tear. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| And then with that tightness, it gets worse after 48 hours. | ||
| You have DOMS, delayed onset muscle soreness. | ||
| And then you're in the shower, you turn your neck, boom, something pops. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What do you do in terms of, do you take curcuminum? | ||
| That's how you say it, right? | ||
| Curcuminum. | ||
| Turmeric, anti-inflammatory herbs and things along those lines. | ||
| I know that Rhonda Patrick just put something up about... | ||
| I think you call it curcuminin. | ||
| Cercuminin or curcuminin? | ||
| Anyway, it's turmeric. | ||
| It's the active ingredient in turmeric. | ||
| And she just put something up on her Twitter page a couple of days ago about how important this stuff is. | ||
| And to make sure that you have bio available. | ||
| It improves memory and mood as well. | ||
| Well, I have to try it. | ||
| I haven't tried it. | ||
| Yeah, it's just turmeric. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, and that stuff is fantastic for inflammation. | ||
| People that have soreness and nagging injuries and nagging inflammation, having that as a part of your daily diet is fantastic, along with fish oil. | ||
| Fish oil is really good for that. | ||
| You know, of course, and then watching your diet and making sure you're low in inflammatory foods like sugar and alcohol. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's huge. | ||
| Really, it's amazing how much of a difference it makes. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| If you have any sort of back injury or inflammation. | ||
| I talked to this lady who was a therapist a few years back, and she was saying, you know, you should really try going gluten-free if you have issues with your back. | ||
| I was like, listen to this wacky bitch. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| All I was thinking is like, oh, she's talking woo-woo crystals nonsense. | ||
| And I was like, wait a minute, really? | ||
| Gluten? | ||
| She's like, you'd be amazed at how many people... | ||
| And now that I've thought about it more, and with all I know, talking to various nutritionists and actual clinical researchers, I think it's as much gluten as it is just... | ||
| Just sugar, refined carbohydrates and sugars and all these different things just create inflammation. | ||
| There's just no way around it. | ||
| Especially the levels that normal Americans eat them in. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Now you're talking about... | ||
| We're the worst. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a tremendous amount of sugar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't know it until you get off sugar. | ||
| And then you go see everybody who's eating the standard amount of sugar... | ||
| And you're like, it blows your mind. | ||
| You don't need that much sugar. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| It's just way too much. | ||
| And you feel sick eating that much sugar again. | ||
| It's mind-boggling. | ||
| Like a jug of Gatorade that a lot of dudes drink after practice? | ||
| I couldn't get that down. | ||
| I mean, have you ever seen those? | ||
| They have those things where they show you online. | ||
| They have, like, this is the amount of sugar that's in a can of Coke. | ||
| This is the amount of sugar that's in a 24-ounce bottle of Gatorade. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It's a pile of sugar. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| It's like a fistful of sugar. | ||
| But it's addictive. | ||
| It gets the customer coming back. | ||
| It gets the customer coming back. | ||
| You need that next sugar high. | ||
| You need more sugar the next time around. | ||
| You need another dose of sugar. | ||
| And I think your sugar, you should get it from Whole Foods mostly. | ||
| It's released into your system naturally, slowly. | ||
| Yeah, there it is right there. | ||
| Look at that big gulp. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That big gulp is like a kilo. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It looks like you're bringing coke across the border. | ||
| That's just poisonous. | ||
| That's fucking amazing. | ||
| That's so much sugar. | ||
| That's impressive. | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| 17 grams? | ||
| What does it say, Jamie? | ||
| 37? | ||
| 17 tablespoons. | ||
| 17 tablespoons. | ||
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32 tablespoons for that. | |
| This is 18. Jesus Christ, that's so much. | ||
| That's so much sugar! | ||
| That's so much sugar! | ||
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Seven. | |
| Choco milk? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Choco milk is supposed to be good after you train, though. | ||
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It's white milk, too. | |
| Or maybe that's old news. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| George used to do that. | ||
| Yeah, George used to do that. | ||
| But I'll tell you something. | ||
| George is a freak of nature when it comes to diet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's very blessed. | ||
| Look, this is just my observation, but I think some people, when they eat carbs, they spike their insulin, and they can get fat if they eat too much carbs. | ||
| And some people eat a tremendous amount of carbs, and they never get fat. | ||
| We all have a friend who eats a lot of junk food and is ripped. | ||
| There are not many in the world, but they exist. | ||
| We've all met a person like that. | ||
| George is one of those guys. | ||
| If he eats McDonald's for a week or he eats vegetables for a week, it doesn't matter. | ||
| He's going to be lean either way. | ||
| Now, he'll be leaner on vegetables, but even on McDonald's, he's going to be lean. | ||
| He's never been fat in his entire career. | ||
| His entire life, I should say. | ||
| Did he get a little heavier when he stopped training? | ||
| Look, because he took some photos for the UFC. He looked a little heavier. | ||
| Bulky, I would say. | ||
| Would you say that he's chubby or fat? | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| If I saw him at the beach, I wouldn't say that fat guy. | ||
| He'd be like, this guy's shredded. | ||
| That guy's jacked. | ||
| This guy's jacked. | ||
| But when it's George, you hold him to the highest of standards. | ||
| If I ate the way he eats, I would be fat. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Let's put it that way. | ||
| How many people told me, hey, I've been hanging out with George for a week. | ||
| I got fat. | ||
| I gained 10 pounds. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, that's George, man. | ||
| That's George. | ||
| Don't eat like he eats. | ||
| It won't work. | ||
| And he has his whole theories and philosophies about why he's lean. | ||
| It's like, dude, no, you're just born this way. | ||
| He doesn't get it. | ||
| I've trained thousands of people. | ||
| He's trained himself. | ||
| What he did is going to work for everyone. | ||
| And I love George. | ||
| He's a super intelligent guy, but I tell him, George, he's very gifted when it comes to food. | ||
| And he does a lot of things. | ||
| Now he's doing a lot of fasting, and he's getting even leaner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it'll be a long time before George is fat. | ||
| You see, there's various body types. | ||
| You know, you have ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph. | ||
| And we're on the continuum of these three. | ||
| George is on the ectomorph side. | ||
| And a strong sign of ectomorph is a small waist. | ||
| Isn't that mesomorph? | ||
| No, mesomorph is... | ||
| Because he's very muscular. | ||
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He is. | |
| I would say he's between ectomorph and muscles. | ||
| Sorry, go ahead. | ||
| George was very skinny and scrawny when he was young. | ||
| So he went crazy on the weights. | ||
| He turned his weakness into a strength. | ||
| He did so much weight training and exercise because he wanted to bulk up. | ||
| So he's a bulk ectomorph. | ||
| Now he's not a perfect ectomorph. | ||
| He's not a 100% ectomorph. | ||
| I would say he's between ectomorph and mesomorph. | ||
| But endomorph, the other end of the spectrum, you eat a little bit of carbohydrates, you get fat. | ||
| You lift a little bit of muscles, your muscles explode in size. | ||
| George wasn't like that. | ||
| George was a bit on the other side of the spectrum. | ||
| So a real mesomorph would be like Melvin Manhoof. | ||
| Yeah, like that. | ||
| I think I'm kind of... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's more endomorph. | ||
| No, endomorph is fat. | ||
| Yeah, but you can also be very muscular. | ||
| Endomorph? | ||
| Yeah, you can be very muscular. | ||
| I thought endomorph is like people that have a really hard time not being overweight. | ||
| You can gain fat and muscle really quickly. | ||
| As an endomorph? | ||
| Yeah, but ectomorphs, from what I've read, I might be wrong. | ||
| Neither one of us are biologists. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| There's a problem with this conversation. | ||
| I always thought ectomorph was really skinny, endomorph was, they tend to lean towards being overweight, and then mesomorph was someone who's like, really, like a Francis Ngannou. | ||
| Or Brock Lesnar. | ||
| Super muscular, thick, just look like they naturally would pack a lot of muscle. | ||
| I'm sure you could pull up a chart if you can. | ||
| All these pictures just show both of them. | ||
| From what I've read, see the mesomorph is kind of in the middle. | ||
| Ectomorph is lean and hard pack on muscle. | ||
| Ectomorph looks like a skinny dork. | ||
| And mesomorph looks like he's super jacked and endomorph looks like... | ||
| Well, endomorph... | ||
| See, but endomorph does not look fat in that picture. | ||
| He doesn't have to be fat. | ||
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That's the thing. | |
| See, now here's... | ||
| Let me tell you something, ladies. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| When you look at those three pictures, I go with endomorph all day. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And those three pictures... | ||
| We love the endomorphs. | ||
| If that's what an endomorph is... | ||
| Let's take the endomorphs. | ||
| Yeah, because them ectomorphs, they need a lot of naps, and they're always tired. | ||
| And those mesomorphs... | ||
| And their egos, my goodness. | ||
| They want to choke you. | ||
| The mesomorphs always want to fucking strangle you. | ||
| But endomorphs, that's a woman. | ||
| You can have a ripped endomorph. | ||
| Anybody can be ripped. | ||
| That guy's an endomorph? | ||
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That's Pratt, maybe. | |
| Think about it. | ||
| Endomorph is like a short, stocky hulk. | ||
| He could be fat, and he could also be packed with muscle. | ||
| Like Kelvin. | ||
| Kelvin Gastelum. | ||
| Kelvin Gastelum. | ||
| I would put him on the endomorph side. | ||
| Yes, definitely. | ||
| Because he's never really totally ripped. | ||
| Well, Dolce, when he had him, and he was getting him down to a real 170, he really had him pretty ripped at one point in time. | ||
| Just really low body fat. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| You can get ripped. | ||
| It's just not as easy to get there. | ||
| Anybody can get ripped. | ||
| But an ectomorph, so think about a basketball player. | ||
| One of the signs they say is small waist. | ||
| The waist and shoulders are quite similar. | ||
| Now George has a V going. | ||
| He has very broad shoulders, which is great. | ||
| He's perfectly built for fighting. | ||
| That allows him for reach. | ||
| And his double leg, because he's got incredible legs. | ||
| It's like he's wearing shoulder pads almost. | ||
| And he's blessed with many, many genetic gifts for fighting. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| And endomorphs are naturally, excuse me, ectomorphs are naturally predisposed to endurance sports. | ||
| So you'll see a lot of marathon runners or whatnot, they're tall and lanky. | ||
| They're not short, bulky, Mike Tyson type look athletes. | ||
| That's a real mesomorph. | ||
| That's a real, I would say endomorph. | ||
| Endomorph. | ||
| Because he's so short. | ||
| Short and stocky and bulky. | ||
| He could put on a lot of muscle or a lot of fat. | ||
| Now, I'll ask you, is he a little bit... | ||
| I don't want to say he's fat, but he's put on some fat since he's retired or whatnot, right? | ||
| I don't know how much he works out anymore, you know? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| But an ectomorph, even when they stop working out, they're less likely to pack on fat. | ||
| They might have a little belly, you know, but it's not as... | ||
| Pronounced. | ||
| It's not as pronounced as an endomorph. | ||
| An endomorph will pack on fat and muscle real quickly. | ||
| And they're more... | ||
| They gravitate more towards power sports. | ||
| So they can explode, but they have less cardio. | ||
| Whereas the ectomorph is... | ||
| Like you'll see a lot of running backs. | ||
| They're short, stocky. | ||
| They're endomorph, man. | ||
| They have to explode for three, four seconds. | ||
| Is there a best body for fighting, or is there a... | ||
| You just adapt your style to whatever body you have. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I think there's a best body for basketball, a best body for football. | ||
| Well, it depends what position you're playing. | ||
| But fighting, everybody has a fight in their DNA. So all styles, excuse me, all body types can fight. | ||
| And that's what's so amazing. | ||
| You get a Paul Harris. | ||
| He's an endomorph, man. | ||
| But he found a way to fight that makes sense for him. | ||
| That's what I always tell people. | ||
| You gotta fight according to your body type. | ||
| And people think that's crazy. | ||
| No, Muhammad Ali fought a certain way because he had certain attributes. | ||
| He had a certain personality. | ||
| Even your personality is very important. | ||
| If he tried to fight like Tyson, it would backfire. | ||
| If Tyson tried to fight like Muhammad Ali, it would backfire. | ||
| I think everybody has to start with the basics, and then after three, four years of training, even maybe up to five years, now you gotta specialize for what your temperament is, what your body type is, what your personality is, because not everybody wants to get it done in round one, and not everybody is the type of person who's gonna take it to the cards, and not everybody has a reach and speed to jab in and out. | ||
| A lot of people think, oh, I'm just gonna jab in and out like Ali. | ||
| Dude, you have the attributes that Ali has. | ||
| He was born with certain attributes. | ||
| And everybody's born with an attribute for fighting, in my opinion. | ||
| Everybody got this far because they can fight. | ||
| Nobody got here this far without having some innate ability to fight, you know, to defend themselves. | ||
| So all our body types can defend themselves, but you have to discover what works best for that body type. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Tyson's a perfect example of that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They thought he couldn't make it in the pros. | ||
| They thought, oh, he's going to get killed in the pros. | ||
| There's never been a short guy. | ||
| When Ali was dancing around, people were like, no, that's not going to work. | ||
| He's going to get tired. | ||
| When he goes to the heavyweights, heavyweights shouldn't bounce around. | ||
| And Ali used to spar a lot with lightweights. | ||
| He spar six rounds with lightweights, then six rounds with a heavyweight. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he would play tag with a lightweight. | ||
| It's just about speed and movement. | ||
| You move twice as much with a lightweight. | ||
| What is your thoughts on hard sparring? | ||
| Because when you see the ties and the way they spar, there's a great benefit in that. | ||
| I mean, there's a great benefit in that barely hitting each other's shit. | ||
| I do a tremendous amount of that. | ||
| You know, one thing when people spar with me, they're like, man, you move so like, you know, people are like, it's so seamless the way you move. | ||
| And I do thousands of hours of live rolling and sparring. | ||
| But a lot of those hours, I would say 80% of them is very light. | ||
| Because I know the terrain. | ||
| I just want to go through the sequences as many times as I can, and when I'm really, really warmed up, then I'll go hard. | ||
| I'll start talking smack a bit in the gym, and I'll tell the guy when it's time to go really hard. | ||
| And we're having fun with it. | ||
| For me, having fun is really, really important. | ||
| Now, that's training for longevity. | ||
| But if you have a fight, I think you need to do six weeks of hard sparring. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the speed of the fight is very particular. | ||
| We need to get to fight speed. | ||
| The actual speed of the fight. | ||
| Because you might get caught sleeping if you haven't done that. | ||
| Now, if you have a tremendous amount of fight experience, you need less of that. | ||
| So, for instance, Tai, who's been fighting since he's eight years old, he can tune up just on the pads and go fight. | ||
| Why? | ||
| He's been doing it since the day he can walk, you know, almost. | ||
| Like, you look at a Mayweather. | ||
| I can get Mayweather ready with just a little mitt work. | ||
| Put him in there. | ||
| He's going to be the world champion. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's hardwired. | ||
| If you look at a baby's brain, a baby's brain is not wrinkled like an adult's brain. | ||
| It's wrinkled to a small degree. | ||
| As he goes through his experiences, especially in the first three years of his life, his brain literally gets hardwired and wrinkled. | ||
| And it gets less and less wrinkled over time. | ||
| And when you're hardwired to do something... | ||
| The likelihood of you needing to tune up is very minimal. | ||
| For instance, I remember looking at the biography of Mayweather and he was saying when he would go to picnics with his family, his father would bring boxing gloves and he would box with his cousins. | ||
| They literally would be punching each other. | ||
| For him, he's been doing it so long. | ||
| The more experienced you are, the less heart sparring you need. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The more seasoned you are, the less hard sparring you need. | ||
| You know what fighting is. | ||
| You just need a little tune-up at the end. | ||
| So if you look at George, George is a great example. | ||
| He's super skilled and he's super healthy. | ||
| Some guys get to the high skill level, but they're broken up. | ||
| Their body's broken. | ||
| Their knee is broken. | ||
| They can barely have three, four fights left in them. | ||
| Do you want to get really, really good and then be broken when you got there? | ||
| You finally, you know, you've been cultivating these skills for 15 years. | ||
| You get there. | ||
| You get those skills that you wanted. | ||
| Oh, I can't use them. | ||
| Why am I? The machine is broken. | ||
| You know, I'm 38. I feel like when I was 20, personally. | ||
| Because I spar. | ||
| 80% of my sparring is very flow and relaxed. | ||
| Like I use a lot of... | ||
| I train a lot with purple belts. | ||
| Blue belts and purple belts. | ||
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Why? | |
| Because they couldn't hurt me if they tried. | ||
| I just toy with them until I'm warmed up. | ||
| I'm flowing. | ||
| I'm not really working hard. | ||
| I'm just flowing. | ||
| I'm just doing my combinations. | ||
| And then when I really want to have a good challenge, I'll take one of my elite guys, one of my pros, and I'll do one or two rounds with them. | ||
| I won't burn my machine out. | ||
| Imagine driving your car in the red line all the time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's a great way of looking at it. | ||
| When you guys get ready for a fight, like say if you get George ready for a fight, how much time do you spend on working on his recovery from the workouts? | ||
| Do you bust out the Tim Tam machine and ice things down? | ||
| How aware of you are you guys? | ||
| Do you have a regimented program of how to recover from exercise? | ||
| Yeah, recovery is everything. | ||
| So it's stress plus recovery equals adaptation. | ||
| Stress plus stress equals detraining in injury. | ||
| A good trainer, he understands super compensation, right? | ||
| You have stress, you have recovery, and then you have a new level of skill or ability. | ||
| If you don't go through the recovery phase... | ||
| You will not reap the rewards of your training. | ||
| There has to be a recovery phase. | ||
| Not every athlete has a level of recovery that they can achieve. | ||
| So as you get more experience as an athlete, your body can... | ||
| As you become... | ||
| As you're more and more fit, I should say, your body can recover from more stress. | ||
| So I have to gauge... | ||
| How good my student is. | ||
| It has to be challenging but manageable. | ||
| If I make it too challenging, I'm redlining him. | ||
| He's going to break. | ||
| His knee's going to pop. | ||
| He's going to be unmotivated. | ||
| If it's too easy, he's going to be bored. | ||
| I have to find the right amount of stimulus. | ||
| So when I'm in the practice room, if I see Georgia just mauling guys and destroying them, I have to scale the workout so that it's harder. | ||
| But I don't want to scale it so high that I injure him and break him or that he made it out of practice by a hair and that he's not motivated to do another camp. | ||
| We reach those high intensity levels periodically throughout the year and they have to be done in a certain way that it's fun. | ||
| You know George was on your show and he was saying, I'll try to kill him in the practice room. | ||
| Now, it's true. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| But I do it so rarely. | ||
| I do it so periodically. | ||
| And I make it a joke. | ||
| That's why, like, what he was trying to say is that I brought in the guys in the room. | ||
| And I was watching them spar with George. | ||
| And they don't want to touch his face. | ||
| This is when he was, like, a megastar. | ||
| Like, he was the champ. | ||
| And nobody wants to try to double leg him. | ||
| Nobody wants to try to hurt him. | ||
| Because they're, like... | ||
| I'm not going to come here in his house and try to show him. | ||
| There's a respect thing. | ||
| They're starstruck, you know, these young kids. | ||
| So I would bring them in. | ||
| And I'd be like, listen, guys, I'd give a speech. | ||
| The first guy to double leg him, the first guy to put him out, I would put like a $5,000 reward. | ||
| To knock him out? | ||
| If you knock George out, I'll give you $5,000. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| If you put George on his back, if you take him down, put him on his back, I'll stop the whole practice and praise you for 20 minutes in front of everybody in the gym. | ||
| And students don't get praised by me very often. | ||
| So George would be like, oh my God, these guys, they're coming after me. | ||
| And he would get riled up. | ||
| And I would do this periodically, rarely, right? | ||
| We're talking about world title fight, you know, stuff's on the line. | ||
| And I need these guys to actually show me where George is missing something. | ||
| Because when you have this perfect practice and you win all the time, What do you work on? | ||
| Well, nothing went wrong. | ||
| There's nothing to fix. | ||
| So, I mean, there are times where we really redline him. | ||
| Have you ever had anybody knock him out in practice and take that money? | ||
| He's been dropped once in practice pretty badly. | ||
| And it's a funny story, but the money wasn't on the line that time. | ||
| There was no price for that. | ||
| One time he got dropped in practice and I wanted to pull the plug. | ||
| It was for a world title fight. | ||
| He was fighting Dan Hardy, two weeks before his fight. | ||
| I was sure he was concussed. | ||
| And I said, George, I'm pulling the round. | ||
| It was one more round. | ||
| He said to me, Coach, let me finish the round. | ||
| I'm okay. | ||
| Let me finish the next round. | ||
| And I felt that if I pulled him, I would have killed his confidence. | ||
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Right. | |
| I would have killed his confidence, totally. | ||
| So I said, okay, you could do the next round. | ||
| And I told the other guy he was sparring with, don't land a single glove, like I whispered to him. | ||
| Not a single glove on him. | ||
| Just take a mauling. | ||
| And George went in the next round, not knowing that the other guy's not allowed to hit him at all. | ||
| And he just crushes the guy, right? | ||
| He just mauls him and gets... | ||
| And I was really, really grateful for... | ||
| The other guy was a pro. | ||
| And I was very, very grateful that he took the beating that we asked him to. | ||
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Right. | |
| And George After was like, man, I know it went bad in round four, but round five was amazing. | ||
| I was on fire in round five. | ||
| I said, you weren't... | ||
| You were. | ||
| You were. | ||
| Sneaky shit. | ||
| He's like, round four was just a fluke. | ||
| This is what I'm going to look like. | ||
| Round five. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's a good thing it's Friday because I have the day off tomorrow. | ||
| I'm like, George, today's Saturday. | ||
| He was shocked. | ||
| And he was like, today's Saturday? | ||
| I'm like, yeah. | ||
| And the UFC was there filming. | ||
| So I had to like, look guys, that footage can never air. | ||
| That footage has got to disappear. | ||
| They're like, yeah, don't worry. | ||
| We understand the fight's on the line. | ||
| He was fighting there already two weeks later. | ||
| That's why that fight, he was doing a lot of wrestling. | ||
| Because we didn't want to even chance. | ||
| I was sure he had a concussion when he went in that fight. | ||
| Now pulling the plug on that fight, a lot of people would be like, hey, you put his health on the line. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| But it's so much pressure. | ||
| First of all, George has nothing to do with UFC. We kept it from UFC. We told the camera guys, bury this. | ||
| Don't report it. | ||
| George would never want to back out of that fight. | ||
| It was two weeks from now. | ||
| Everybody's coming to watch this fight. | ||
| This fight, it's been on the prime time. | ||
| It's been three weeks they're filming. | ||
| This is happening. | ||
| This fight is happening, no matter what. | ||
| George is in that mindset. | ||
| But he went in there, honestly, after he got dropped pretty badly. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, that's you know Forrest Griffin got knocked out twice before his fight with Anderson Silva Twice And apparently one of them was real bad. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's so dangerous. | ||
| I think he was sparring with Vanderlei. | ||
| And apparently you don't spar with Vanderlei. | ||
| No, huh? | ||
| It's just fights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he's old school shoot-a-box. | ||
| Especially back then. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, Forrest won't really talk about it too much. | ||
| Because he doesn't want it to be perceived as an excuse. | ||
| But he... | ||
| I mean, how many times have fighters done that? | ||
| Many, many fighters have done that. | ||
| Countless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To the point where, like... | ||
| I just let the fighter decide now. | ||
| Unless I really feel like it's urgent. | ||
| Which is rare that I've actually had to intervene because at the end of the day, when are you 100%? | ||
| It really rarely happens. | ||
| There's always something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the thing about getting knocked out is that if you get knocked out two weeks ago, your odds of getting knocked out are significantly higher. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And Dan Hardy is a really good striker. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That left hook? | ||
| If it would have touched George, George would have been out like a light. | ||
| He's got a crazy left hook. | ||
| Plus, George was hurt two weeks before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thank God it worked out well. | ||
| Yeah, it worked out great. | ||
| Yeah, the balancing act of being a trainer is not something that I envy. | ||
| No, it's tough. | ||
| It's tough because I care for these guys, honestly. | ||
| It has nothing to do with the business or the money. | ||
| I couldn't care less. | ||
| I could not care less. | ||
| But I know that that guy, he's on a one-way track. | ||
| So if I'm telling him, no, hit the brakes, and he's saying we're going, that break in harmony... | ||
| It's going to create a friction and create a doubt in the fighter. | ||
| Are you all in? | ||
| Are you all in? | ||
| Because if you're not all in, you're going to scare your fighter. | ||
| There's that to consider as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you look at the crop of up-and-coming talent, this is such a crazy time for MMA. I think when you look at these new guys, like Zabit is one of my favorite guys to watch, because he's this new crop of guys that can do everything. | ||
| And they're so high level by the time you see them. | ||
| Like, the first fight I saw of Zabit inside the Octagon, you know, I've seen him on video before, but seeing him live, you're like, holy shit! | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| But he's not just amazing, it's like... | ||
| This is this next level. | ||
| There's another level. | ||
| We've seen these elite fighters and everyone's great at jujitsu, everyone's got great takedown defense, everyone knows how to strike, but then you're seeing this new flavor. | ||
| Okay, the frequency is now higher. | ||
| And it just seems to me that every year or so, There's these new guys that jump through and you're going, okay, well now the frequency is quite a bit higher than it was before. | ||
| It's seamless. | ||
| The transitions are more and more seamless, which is amazing. | ||
| You're saying they're processing it faster. | ||
| And as they're doing the takedown, Demetrius is flowing into an armbar before the takedown is even finished. | ||
| And you're like, the next generation is watching that. | ||
| And they've adopted that now. | ||
| So they're going to flow into a transition. | ||
| It's getting more and more seamless. | ||
| Their computers are computing faster and faster information. | ||
| They're thinking what they're going to do on the ground before it hits the ground. | ||
| It is incredible. | ||
| And they know what can be done now. | ||
| They've seen it all. | ||
| The possibilities. | ||
| Yeah, so they have this database in their mind of accomplishments that have already been achieved by other fighters. | ||
| They've been awakened. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking crazy, man. | ||
| When you stop and think about when you first got involved in the sport and then look at the level that fighters are at now, there's not really a commensurate sport in terms of modern mainstream sports. | ||
| Where people have achieved such an incredibly high level of proficiency that so far exceeds where it was a decade ago or two decades ago. | ||
| There's really no comparison. | ||
| The growth rate is ridiculous. | ||
| It's fucking incredible. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| And I don't think it's a... | ||
| It's a coincidence that the growth rate in this sport is incredible. | ||
| And this is the sport that has the most amount of variables in terms of combat sports. | ||
| The most amount of variables in terms of what a fighter can do to you. | ||
| There are more ways to win than any other combat sport, obviously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's why I find it... | ||
| See, the more you limit an athlete, the more it's about torque. | ||
| So, for instance, if you look at sprinting. | ||
| If I were to race Hussein Bolt, and I had all the best trainers, the best sprint coaches, and Hussein Bolt had the most mediocre sprint coaches, and we race when we're both 20 years old in our prime, who's going to win? | ||
| You! | ||
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I appreciate the confidence. | |
| I mean, it's a joke question, right? | ||
| He's going to win, right? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Put us in MMA. We're the same weight class, same height, everything's the same. | ||
| I have the best coaches, he has the worst coaches. | ||
| Who's going to win? | ||
| You're going to fuck him up. | ||
| I'm going to kill him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because coaching now has a greater influence. | ||
| Sprint coaches say, we can make you faster. | ||
| We cannot make you fast. | ||
| You have to be born fast, and we can shave off a few milliseconds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In MMA, we can make you... | ||
| I can take a regular Joe and get him all the way up to UFC. I can't make him UFC champion. | ||
| I won't say I can make him UFC champion. | ||
| To be UFC champion, you need a talent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| There's a talent there to be in the 1%. | ||
| But to get you to UFC, because there are so many possibilities, there are so many ways to trick your opponent, there are so many ways to turn the tables on him, the torque no longer matters. | ||
| Or torque is less significant. | ||
| So if we're talking about football, where I'm only allowed to do these certain maneuvers, trickery is put to the side. | ||
| You're not allowed to trick me. | ||
| But in MMA, you're allowed to trick me any which way you want. | ||
| There are very few little rules, okay? | ||
| But outside of these bard rules, these bard maneuvers, you can trick me any which way you want. | ||
| So what happens is you take your opponent into a maze. | ||
| You take your opponent into a world where torque doesn't matter so much. | ||
| And that's why the more restrictive a sport is, let's say for instance boxing. | ||
| Boxing is more restrictive than Muay Thai. | ||
| So the guys with torque are gonna do better in boxing than they will necessarily in Muay Thai, because in Muay Thai I can use more trickery. | ||
| I could be a little dweeb and just beat you with clinching, or I could beat you with a trick kick, or I could beat you with a back kick. | ||
| Now, for instance, a back kick, anybody can generate knockout power with a back kick. | ||
| However, with a right cross or left hook, not everybody's gonna have that bone-crushing power. | ||
| However, if you teach somebody how to throw a proper back kick, which you know, because you got the best back kick in the game, You could teach a regular Joe in a few years how to generate knockout power. | ||
| So now he has that element on the table. | ||
| So because MMA is so, you know, there's so few rules. | ||
| We have a greater environment for the intellect to shine. | ||
| You said something once to one of your fighters in between rounds and it really stood out. | ||
| You said, I want you to overwhelm his mind with possibilities. | ||
| You're overwhelming him. | ||
| You're making him think about all the potential variables that are coming his way. | ||
| That is a great way to put it. | ||
| We talk about variety. | ||
| So everybody's looking for a pattern. | ||
| If I do jab, jab, cross... | ||
| And I do it three, four times. | ||
| The fourth time, you're going to see it. | ||
| It's going to be slower to you. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because your brain is... | ||
| Again, this is all hypothetical. | ||
| This is just my personal experience. | ||
| I'm basing this on my own personal experience. | ||
| When somebody does something to me a second or third time, I see it. | ||
| Personally, I feel like I'm perceiving it slower. | ||
| And I have a window to counter you. | ||
| However, when I spar with George, George is the trickiest guy, I'll tell you why. | ||
| Because he has so many tricks, he has so many attacks that he rarely ever shows you the same trick twice. | ||
| And he's the master at adapting. | ||
| So if you do a trick on him once, And you try it again, he's gonna shut you down. | ||
| So look at all his rematches. | ||
| When he rematched BJ Penn, when he rematched Matt Hughes. | ||
| Every time they rematch, it was progressively worse. | ||
| The third time he fought Matt Hughes was even easier. | ||
| Don't try the same trick on George twice. | ||
| You're gonna get crushed. | ||
| And I think that's why me, as a martial artist, I developed a lot of variety of skill. | ||
| Because every week I'd have to come up with a new trick or else George is gonna shut that down. | ||
| So after 10 years, I started becoming like a trickster. | ||
| You know, what other magic trick can I get away with one time? | ||
| Because next week I knew you had a new trick because it won't work on him again. | ||
| He's going to get wise to it. | ||
| He's a master at... | ||
| It might work once on him. | ||
| The second time, you're going to get shut down. | ||
| Well, I feel like that was a factor in Dominic Cruz losing to Cody Garbrandt. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because those alpha male guys had seen that trick so many times. | ||
| Apparently Justin Buchholz can imitate Dominick Cruz in training. | ||
| Like that weird herky-jerky movement with the hands down. | ||
| He's a weird one, man. | ||
| He's one of the weird... | ||
| Out of all the fighters I've ever watched fight, Dominick might be the weirdest. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Because you look at him and he's... | ||
| First of all, he's a great guy. | ||
| A very smart guy. | ||
| But he's crazy in a weird way. | ||
| It's like one of the things that he says is like, I'm just not very flexible. | ||
| Why are you even saying that? | ||
| That doesn't even make any sense to me. | ||
| Why not get more flexible? | ||
| It's not like saying, oh, I'm too short. | ||
| Well, you can't grow, so you're fucked. | ||
| You're never going to play basketball. | ||
| Saying I'm not flexible enough- That's an easy fix. | ||
| That's the dumbest thing to ever say. | ||
| It's like, I mean, it's so much more dumb than I'm not strong enough. | ||
| Well, if you gain weight from muscle, you might not be in that weight class anymore. | ||
| You got a real problem there. | ||
| But I'm not flexible enough. | ||
| You got zero problem. | ||
| You just have to stretch. | ||
| But he doesn't stretch. | ||
| We were talking about jujitsu techniques. | ||
| It's like, I can't play that high guard shit. | ||
| I don't have any flexibility. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| Like, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| And like head kicks and things along those lines. | ||
| He's like very stiff in his legs with throwing kicks. | ||
| That's an easy fix. | ||
| Yeah, that's an easy fix. | ||
| Why wouldn't you fix that? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| But also, the mindset... | ||
| Of a champion in this same guy who just, ah, fuck it, I'm not flexible. | ||
| I don't even understand how those things live together in the same mind. | ||
| If I was training him, I would make him head kick. | ||
| That's what I would insist on. | ||
| Head kicks have to be there. | ||
| Because he doesn't knock guys out with his hands. | ||
| The head kick has to always be a possibility, always a threat. | ||
| And then you will knock out guys with your hands. | ||
| Because they'll have their high guard up. | ||
| Because they don't want that kick. | ||
| And then the uppercut will come. | ||
| The body shot will come. | ||
| The back kick will come. | ||
| I'll make a back kick for sure. | ||
| If you don't have power in your hands, you need to back kick. | ||
| You need to head kick. | ||
| Those are two weapons that can always knock a guy out. | ||
| So you don't back kick, you don't head kick. | ||
| You never score knockouts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point, man. | ||
| Did you see this Stephen Thompson thing with Darren Till, where he wants them to outlaw that sidekick to the knee? | ||
| No, I didn't see that. | ||
| Well, apparently his knee got really fucked up in the Darren Till fight. | ||
| What do you think about that sidekick to the knee that everyone's doing? | ||
| Not even the oblique kick, just a front leg sidekick to the knee, the same way Yoel Romero used it on Robert Whitaker, fucked up his knee in the first fight, and then Whitaker used it on Romero right away in the second fight to fuck up his knee. | ||
| I think it's a legitimate kick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a legitimate 100% kick. | ||
| It allows the smaller, weaker guy to hurt the bigger, stronger guy. | ||
| Well, and in the case of Darren Till, it allows the bigger, stronger guy to hurt the other big, stronger guy. | ||
| If it works for the smaller guy, it works for the bigger guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's just a legit... | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| It's a legit technique you have to prepare for. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You're standing in a way that... | ||
| You see, when somebody's standing sideways, they're harder to punch. | ||
| They're easier to kick. | ||
| So you're saying, look, I want to stand in this way where I'm harder to punch, but I don't want you to kick me. | ||
| So if I stand square, I'm more susceptible to back kick, more susceptible to punches, but less susceptible to leg kicks or the oblique kick or the side kick to the knee or whatnot. | ||
| Now, I'm not saying to you, don't punch me because I'm more vulnerable this way. | ||
| So whatever your vulnerability is, You chose that vulnerability by standing sideways. | ||
| Why don't the Thais stand sideways? | ||
| Because they know they're going to get chopped to the leg, right? | ||
| They're always fighting good kickers. | ||
| They're always fighting amazing kickers. | ||
| When you go to Thailand, the guy may be a good puncher, but he's for sure a great kicker. | ||
| You're not going to run into a guy who doesn't know how to kick. | ||
| They all know how to kick knee and elbow, and some of them know how to punch really, really well also. | ||
| So they stand in a way, Muay Thai has developed in a way that's very anti-kick, anti-knee, anti-elbow. | ||
| And it's not as defensive to the punches. | ||
| So if I want to avoid punches, I'll stand more bladed. | ||
| Let's say I'm fighting a BJ Penn who's very heavy-handed and more of a puncher. | ||
| He doesn't kick much. | ||
| Well, I'm going to stand bladed. | ||
| Like you see with George, we made him drop one hand. | ||
| Why? | ||
| So he can use his jab from down to up, right? | ||
| Because it's faster, has a greater reach, and it's harder to counter. | ||
| Whereas if you would have stood more square in Muay Thai, it would have been useless because BJ doesn't kick. | ||
| But then you'd be more open to punches. | ||
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Right. | |
| So the way you're standing, the way a Wonder Boy is standing, the antagonist to that, the antidote to that is that kick. | ||
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Right. | |
| So how could you stand that way? | ||
| Just switch the way you're standing. | ||
| Okay, now you're more open to punches, but that's adaptation. | ||
| That's what fighting is about. | ||
| It's rock, paper, scissors. | ||
| If I use rock, I don't outlaw paper. | ||
| I don't say, hey, nobody is allowed to use paper. | ||
| No, but that's the antidote to what you're doing. | ||
| Yeah, and when the Thais fight, they have that very light front leg, which would prevent that front leg sidekick to the knee. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because they're always very light. | ||
| So if you kick their knee, it's just going to go backwards anyway. | ||
| But to stand that way, they're standing that way at a cost. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The punches. | ||
| And also the cost, they don't have the ability to use that movement, that front leg movement the way that Wonderboy does too. | ||
| Wonderboy is the master of the front leg. | ||
| He's the best at standing, completely sidekick. | ||
| When he fought Johnny Hendricks, a good example, he threw a sidekick to the body, Hendricks stood there, and then he went to a roundhouse kick to the face with the same leg. | ||
| Masterpiece. | ||
| And Hendrix, you could see, was like, fuck, what is this guy doing? | ||
| He's like, thump, okay, back, oh shit. | ||
| He thought, yeah, you got me with that, but that's not a big deal, and then pop, he gets roundhouse kicked in the face. | ||
| That was a masterful performance. | ||
| Yeah, it was one of his best, for sure. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| Well, it just shows you the difference between a guy who is, you know, just trying to like kind of plot in with a limited movement and a guy like Wonderboy who's just one of the most difficult guys to sort of pin down. | ||
| Yeah, incredible. | ||
| Yeah, his style is very unique and I'm fascinated with him and I'm really fascinated right now with Michael Venom Page. | ||
| Been watching, do you see his pro boxing fights? | ||
| No, I didn't see. | ||
| Right now he's a can crusher. | ||
| I saw one, yeah. | ||
| He's a can crusher. | ||
| He's fighting these guys, and they're setting him up for these spectacular knockouts. | ||
| But it's still that blitz point karate style that Raymond Daniels has, that a lot of these guys have, and Raymond's obviously adapted very well for kickboxing. | ||
| I've cheered with Raymond quite a bit. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| You gotta get him on the show, man. | ||
| He's such a great guy. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| Yeah, I have to connect you two. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, we talked a little bit in the past about perhaps doing something on Twitter. | ||
| He knocks guys out in about 90 seconds on a regular basis. | ||
| And how does he do it? | ||
| He does it with the back kick. | ||
| He's the master at finding a place for the back kick. | ||
| You don't want to get hit with his back kick. | ||
| Like, I know you got an incredible back kick. | ||
| I bet you it's more powerful than his. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| But I'll tell you one thing. | ||
| He will fit that back kick... | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| And he'll do it in a way... | ||
| You won't see it coming. | ||
| It's going to hurt so much more. | ||
| He rarely knocks guys out with his hands. | ||
| He does surprise guys with his hands every so often. | ||
| But that back kick, you don't want to be there. | ||
| Well, it seems like he's getting better with his hands. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| His hands are improving. | ||
| He trains a lot. | ||
| He trains a lot, that guy. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| He's still at it. | ||
| And he's, what, 35, 36 now? | ||
| I would say, around there. | ||
| That one... | ||
| Was it... | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Ombang? | ||
| Is that the guy he knocked out with that touch front leg side kick and then jumped up in the air and hit him with a spinning back kick to the face? | ||
| Woo! | ||
| That was some video game shit. | ||
| That's unbelievable. | ||
| He just jumps up top, pop, and then hits him with a second kick. | ||
| That's a standard kick. | ||
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Yes, it is. | |
| You know, for Raymond Daniels. | ||
| But he does it the best I've ever seen, personally. | ||
| No, no one better. | ||
| You know, you gotta go back to like Rick the Jet Rufus. | ||
| Oh, my. | ||
| You know, when he fought that really classic fight where he fought that Thai fighter and he got his legs chopped out and everybody was like, oh, shit. | ||
| People really got to understand the Muay Thai. | ||
| Muay Thai. | ||
| But he hit that guy with that same kick, that front leg side kick and then spun in the air and hit him with a turning side kick in the face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I love watching that point karate style, that blitz style. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love watching that enter into MMA because I used to spar with a lot of those guys and it's fucking hard to deal with. | ||
| Those guys that are really good at that fast sprint at you, blitz. | ||
| And when you do that, and then you also have takedown defense and Muay Thai skills and Jiu Jitsu, it's like, fuck man, that's a lethal skill to have. | ||
| I love doing boxing, Muay Thai, karate, taekwondo. | ||
| I love blending it all. | ||
| I believe all of it is good. | ||
| Here it is right here. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Play that back again. | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| This is fucking crazy shit the way he does it, too. | ||
| He just hops up, touches you with the front leg. | ||
| Bang! | ||
| And the second one... | ||
| And look, he looks down like he's in a fucking video game. | ||
| I mean, that is crazy that this guy is pulling that off. | ||
| That was when he was in glory. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Tap. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| Who the fuck does that? | ||
| And he does that all the time, eh? | ||
| All the time! | ||
| That's not like a one-off. | ||
| No, no, he could do that all day, yeah. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of those karate guys that have that skill set. | ||
| They can do, like, you know, those braking demonstrations where they hold up pads and they'll do 360 wheel kicks and brake pads. | ||
| I mean, there's some legitimate karate and traditional martial arts techniques that are finding their way into MMA. Absolutely. | ||
| You just have to know how to use it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just because a karate guy got beat up by a grappler doesn't mean all the karate he's trained is not good. | ||
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Right. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| He needs to learn how to grapple. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He needs to know how to stay on his feet. | ||
| He needs to learn how to grapple. | ||
| He needs to learn to set that kick up in a way. | ||
| Because the thing is, if you're always fighting another karate guy... | ||
| And then you fight a boxer. | ||
| The boxer's behavior is just different. | ||
| It's like what we were saying before. | ||
| You have to get used to it. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, you saw the same movie a hundred times. | ||
| You know how to deal with it. | ||
| It's like you watch the same movie over and over again. | ||
| You start predicting what the scene is going to be. | ||
| You're not caught by surprise. | ||
| When you're caught by surprise, you're done. | ||
| You've never done jiu-jitsu before. | ||
| And I'm doing an arm bar, a basic arm bar. | ||
| You're getting caught with it. | ||
| That's why I believe you've got to know everything out there. | ||
| But you've got to specialize. | ||
| Don't try to master everything. | ||
| Know everything. | ||
| Like, I like to know darts, triangle, heel hook, even though I'm not necessarily a darts guy. | ||
| But I want to know everything about darts. | ||
| I don't want to drill it all day long. | ||
| I just want to know about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because when you're trying to put your darts on, I know what you're trying to do. | ||
| I'm familiar with what you're going for. | ||
| I can break out of it. | ||
| You don't go for darts? | ||
| I do. | ||
| But, I mean, I wouldn't say it's my best submission. | ||
| I do do darts. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| Well, you don't have the longest arms in the world. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Do you ever try a Japanese necktie? | ||
| Yes, I don't use them that much, but I'm familiar with them. | ||
| It's the solution for guys who don't have long arms. | ||
| I have short arms too, but the Japanese necktie became a specialist at that. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, you get that clamp over the top of the neck and then you drop down with the left shoulder and you tuck the head into the forehead and you hook one of the legs with your leg and you crank that neck up so it's a You're pushing in with your chest and then cranking. | ||
| It comes quick too. | ||
| It's a nasty, nasty neck crank. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's just so good. | ||
| And it's also, it's there a lot. | ||
| It's one of those techniques that people, they're not aware of the danger that one position. | ||
| There's a few guys that are really good at it, and whenever you feel that arm going underneath your neck, you're like, fuck, I gotta get out of here. | ||
| Because it's such an easy one to cinch up. | ||
| The darts is hard. | ||
| It's hard to cinch and to get all the way up. | ||
| For us. | ||
| I remember working with Marcelo. | ||
| I got to train Marcelo Garcia. | ||
| And we were doing just a one-on-one training session. | ||
| And he was telling me he doesn't like darts. | ||
| And I was like, he doesn't teach darts, doesn't believe in darts. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| But your arms are short, you know? | ||
| If you have this monstrously long guy, you won't tell him to do darts. | ||
| No, no, no, don't do darts. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| It's not a good submission because your arm's in the way. | ||
| I'm like, dude, there's some guys with the most devastating darts. | ||
| You don't want to be in their darts. | ||
| Tony Ferguson. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He doesn't like leg locks. | ||
| He says, no, leg locks are no good. | ||
| Oh, that's so crazy. | ||
| Imagine a Paul Harris walks into your gym and you're like, no, don't do leg locks. | ||
| It's like, dude, that's his game. | ||
| But he tapped out Rico Rodriguez with a heel hook in Abu Dhabi. | ||
| He would tell you it's not a good submission. | ||
| It shouldn't have worked. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| He was telling me he doesn't like his guys to wrestle. | ||
| I'm like, why? | ||
| I'm like, when you fought Jake Shields, you did a single leg and you took him down. | ||
| He's like, he shouldn't have fell. | ||
| So Jake Shields shouldn't have fell, he said. | ||
| But I'm like, your wrestling is good. | ||
| He's like, no, no, no. | ||
| You shouldn't wrestle a wrestler at all. | ||
| What? | ||
| And I was like, I get what you're trying to say. | ||
| But there's a time and place where I wrestle a wrestler, when I see a good vulnerability. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know, he's very, I think he's changed over the years, but when I rolled with him, he was like at the top, you know? | ||
| I wouldn't question him, I wouldn't like, you know, who am I to tell him I don't agree, you know? | ||
| Like, he doesn't like Kimura. | ||
| He would tell me, no, don't do Kimuras. | ||
| Too much muscle, right? | ||
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That's what he said. | |
| It's a power move. | ||
| Yeah, it's a power move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you look at his career, all the things he doesn't like, that's what he's been caught with. | ||
| Like Braulio caught him with the darts. | ||
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Jacare caught him with the kimura. | |
| That's right, Braulio caught him with the darts. | ||
| Who else caught him with the darts? | ||
| Braulio caught him once or twice. | ||
| Once, I think. | ||
| Drysdale caught him with the darts. | ||
| Darts work real good, man. | ||
| They do. | ||
| If you have the attributes, they're great. | ||
| Yeah, why would he say he doesn't teach the darts? | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| I think he's got short arms, and for him it doesn't work. | ||
| He doesn't like arm triangle. | ||
| He says, no, forget the arm triangle. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, I'm like, dude. | ||
| That's my specialty. | ||
| You ever feel George's arm triangle? | ||
| Arm triangles are nasty. | ||
| Yeah, arm triangles are destructive. | ||
| Well, a guy like George is such a crusher. | ||
| He's got long arms, too. | ||
| Yeah, and he's heavy. | ||
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Oh, my. | |
| He's just heavy, puts that weight on you. | ||
| He knows how to control and squish. | ||
| I will never let my arm get across my body, because I know it's over. | ||
| There's two things you never want to give George. | ||
| Kimora, because he'll rip your arm off. | ||
| And two, arm triangle. | ||
| Katakatami. | ||
| Yeah, there's Rafael Lovato. | ||
| He's got a nasty fucking arm triangle. | ||
| He's competing in Bellator now. | ||
| I'm always fascinated when I see super, super high-level jiu-jitsu guys that enter into MMA. Because I'm like, okay, for sure, these guys who are used to just training MMA, they are not going to know what the fuck hits them when a guy like Hodger Gracie grabs them. | ||
| Or like a guy like Damien Maia. | ||
| And we've seen it time and time again. | ||
| There's a difference in the level. | ||
| And so the argument is always, should you be just, what's the best way to be? | ||
| Is the best way to be an elite specialist at one particular thing, like a Raymond Daniels or a Wonderboy? | ||
| Or is it to be a guy who can kind of do everything really well, like George? | ||
| So here's my perspective on that. | ||
| That's such a great question. | ||
| I mean, that's the heart of training. | ||
| You could flood your system. | ||
| So what does that mean? | ||
| When you flood your system, you're giving your student too many things to master. | ||
| He's just really not good at anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or you can bottleneck him. | ||
| You're giving him too few skills that people know what he does. | ||
| Like for instance, a classic example is Chuck Liddell. | ||
| He went on a tear for a while, but he's still the same guy. | ||
| And after a while, the next generation, they understood what he does. | ||
| They understood the pockets where you're safe, where you're in danger. | ||
| Like Mishida is a great example. | ||
| Early on, it was such a mystery. | ||
| Now we're like, okay, we get what he does. | ||
| We've understood his patterns. | ||
| Patterns are huge in fighting and in life, period. | ||
| Human beings are pattern-detecting machines. | ||
| Whether they know it or not, whether they can verbalize it or not, we are pattern-detecting machines. | ||
| That's why I like sparring a lot, because sparring, I've had a thousand people throw a right hand at me. | ||
| When you throw your right hand, my mind, the subconsciously, is going to compare that right hand you're throwing to a thousand different right hands I saw. | ||
| And it's going to say it matches this one the most. | ||
| Again, this is my narrative. | ||
| And this is what I see. | ||
| And this has personally been my experience, right? | ||
| When I train somebody who's new and you throw a punch at them, they flinch. | ||
| Why? | ||
| You've overwhelmed them with information. | ||
| But after a while, they see a punch and they're relaxed and they see it and it seems slow motion because at first it was too fast for them. | ||
| It's too much to compute. | ||
| So my students, what I do is I give them a small amount of technique and when they get better, I give them a new technique. | ||
| So I want them to get a certain level of competence with that technique and my standard is it has to be instinctual. | ||
| If the technique is instinctual, I've taught it to you well. | ||
| Meaning if you've done it live on the mat... | ||
| On a regular basis. | ||
| You execute on a regular basis. | ||
| It's time for me now to give you another gem. | ||
| Because if I don't give you another gem, I'm going to bottleneck your art. | ||
| You're going to become too predictable. | ||
| But if I give you a gem too early, if I give you another technique too early, I'm flooding your system. | ||
| I'm flooding your game. | ||
| Your game is just diluted. | ||
| It's just too weak. | ||
| So with George, we're always reinventing George for the next fight. | ||
| We're always adding one new or two new gems, depending on how much time we have. | ||
| But there's always a next factor. | ||
| When you fight him, he's not going to do the same patterns we did the last fight. | ||
| You could watch his tape. | ||
| That's why I told George, why is it harder to be champion than to become champion? | ||
| Because when you're champion, everybody's watching you and studying your patterns. | ||
| It's a matter of time before you're old news. | ||
| So you gotta reinvent yourself before the next fight. | ||
| That's why I didn't want him fighting three times a year. | ||
| I told him you fight twice a year. | ||
| And they were making comparative with Chuck. | ||
| I got a lot of heat for that. | ||
| They're like, Chuck fights three times a year. | ||
| George should fight three times a year. | ||
| We're like, we'll see how our careers go. | ||
| I want George to fight twice a year. | ||
| Because to reinvent him takes six months. | ||
| We're gonna do that twice a year. | ||
| That way he'll be champion longer. | ||
| I used to tell him when he became champion, I said, I want you to be champion for 10 years. | ||
| It happens in boxing. | ||
| It's going to happen in MMA for the first time. | ||
| There's going to be a champion for 10 years. | ||
| I used to tell him that when he first won the belt. | ||
| And he was like, really? | ||
| How are we going to do that? | ||
| We're going to do only training camps that last six months. | ||
| You can only really do a training camp every six months if you want to hit a new level. | ||
| It takes six months. | ||
| Every fight you're going to be at a new level and you're going to do something nobody knows. | ||
| They haven't seen it before. | ||
| How did you come up with these numbers? | ||
| What made you decide? | ||
| I read one very influential book called The New Power Program by Michael Cogan. | ||
| I don't know if you've ever heard of it. | ||
| I have heard of the book. | ||
| I have not read it. | ||
| He says, look, there's two programs. | ||
| He says, look, if you can do a training program shorter than six months, you're either Superman or you're dumb. | ||
| He formulated it in a way. | ||
| He says, I never met Superman. | ||
| A real training program is six months long. | ||
| So that just always really influenced me. | ||
| I think his book was really, really basic, and this was one of the first books I read on training, and it really influenced me. | ||
| He teaches in the book periodization, but he dumbs it down really, really well. | ||
| So if you read Tudor Pompa's book on periodization, it's just too much intellectual jargon. | ||
| It's hard for a regular Joe, especially at the stage I was then, to read that book and understand what he's trying to say. | ||
| Today I can understand it. | ||
| But Michael Kogan made it really simple for me. | ||
| And he's like, look, if you want to train and reach a new level, it takes six months. | ||
| This is the body's natural process. | ||
| So it would be like trying to plant a seed and have an apple tree in three months. | ||
| And he says, no, the apple tree grows at a certain rate. | ||
| So, a human body does things at a certain rate. | ||
| There's no way around it. | ||
| You need stress, you need recovery, then you have adaptation. | ||
| Here's the cycles you have to go through to reach a new level. | ||
| And it ends with a plyometric cycle. | ||
| Now, today, I don't really use that system anymore because I've found better ways over the years. | ||
| It ends with a plyometric cycle? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why does it end with a plyometric cycle? | ||
| Because you have to hit the speed of your sport. | ||
| So, for instance, let's say you do a lot of back squatting. | ||
| Okay, let's see you do back squatting. | ||
| And your numbers on the back squat go up. | ||
| Do you think that's going to make you a better fighter? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Why? | ||
| So why do the squatting? | ||
| Because it'll make you stronger. | ||
| Okay, but does it make you stronger on the field? | ||
| In the octagon? | ||
| It can make you stronger in certain positions. | ||
| In certain positions? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, I think Michael Cogan would say it can make you stronger in certain positions if you can apply that force over a certain time. | ||
| So power and strength are two different things. | ||
| Strength is, can you lift that bar? | ||
| It weighs 500 pounds. | ||
| You can lift it? | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Can you get that bar off the ground and locked out in 1.5 seconds? | ||
| That's the question we want to ask for sports. | ||
| How fast can you apply the force? | ||
| That's power. | ||
| Force over time. | ||
| Strength over time. | ||
| So when you want to shoot a double leg, you have to do it in the window. | ||
| So that's why the plyometric phase is the last phase. | ||
| It's very important that you need to take all that strength you cultivated and translate it to a level of speed. | ||
| So I need George to change level and explode in a fraction of a second. | ||
| So that's why I like things like sprinting, track and field, etc. | ||
| These are things done in a short period of time. | ||
| The ground contact, the ground force reaction, the time you spend on the ground, applying force into the ground. | ||
| So when you want to apply force on a person, you first have to apply the force in the ground. | ||
| And then that reaction is applied into your opponent, right? | ||
| So every action has an opposite equal reaction. | ||
| How fast can you apply that force into the ground? | ||
| Now squatters, if I take you and I make you squat, A slow squat, down and up. | ||
| I'm training you like a tow truck, right? | ||
| Then I measure your vertical jump. | ||
| Your vertical jump is going to have gone down after you've done six months of squatting. | ||
| It's not going to have gone up. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because you're training like a tow truck. | ||
| You're telling your body, look, I need to lift lots of heavy weights in a slow fashion. | ||
| However, if I make you do plyometrics or I make you do Olympic lifting, You know, Olympic lifting is very fast. | ||
| It's 1.5 second contraction on the hamstring. | ||
| 1.5 second. | ||
| And there's a certain point where it's 0.5 seconds. | ||
| Then I make you test your vertical. | ||
| Now your vertical has gone up. | ||
| So there's an element of speed. | ||
| So Michael Cogan, at the end of the program, he does a four-week or three-week phase of, he calls it the link cycle, where you're doing plyometrics. | ||
| This is very important. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| I've never heard it put that way, and I like the thought process behind it. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people that are using a lot of plyometric drills now, and it's way more common when you see training montages of guys hopping over hurdles. | ||
| But I really have to think that George was one of the first guys I ever saw do that stuff. | ||
| I used to tell him, do you want to train like a tow truck, or do you want to train like a Ferrari? | ||
| Which one do you want to be? | ||
| If you look at Damien Maia, he's like a tow truck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's stiff. | ||
| Even when he throws a punch, he's very stiff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because years of gi training is like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've trained my body to make an isometric hold. | ||
| And now your body behaves isometrically. | ||
| Why are you asking it to do anything different? | ||
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| I never asked my body to do something in practice that I don't want it to do on fight night. | ||
| So I do believe squatting is important. | ||
| Squatting is important to develop a general strength. | ||
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| So let's say, for instance, you're always doing plyometrics. | ||
| You might have an overuse injury. | ||
| Certain muscles are not being activated. | ||
| You go on the squat rack, you do a few squats. | ||
| And I believe you've got to do squats, not too heavy, about 70% of your max, and do it fast. | ||
| You'll still get all the benefits. | ||
| What about lowering it? | ||
| Lowering it how? | ||
| Do you lower it fast or do you lower it slow? | ||
| Lower it fast and up fast. | ||
| Really? | ||
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| So for instance, Fred Hatfield, he's probably said it best. | ||
| He said he's the first man to officially squat 1,000 pounds. | ||
| He said, look, throw a paper. | ||
| You take a paper, you crumple it up, and you throw it. | ||
| It's too light for it to go anywhere. | ||
| You throw it really hard, but because it's so light, it doesn't go anywhere. | ||
| Take a bowling ball. | ||
| A bowling ball's too heavy. | ||
| You throw it, it doesn't go anywhere. | ||
| You take a baseball, that's the right amount of resistance. | ||
| It's the right amount of weight. | ||
| Now you're going to apply more force on that baseball. | ||
| You're going to get more force out of it. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's in the Goldilocks range. | ||
| So for instance, let's make it really simple. | ||
| Let's say you weigh zero pounds. | ||
| I put you on a scale, you weigh zero pounds, you have a bar on your back, the bar weighs 100 pounds. | ||
| Okay, so we're looking at the scale now. | ||
| The scale says 100 pounds. | ||
| The bar is on your back. | ||
| Let's take away your weight just to make it really simple. | ||
| You go down and up. | ||
| The scale is going to read 101. That's the minimum amount of power you have to put into that scale for it to come up. | ||
| So when you go down, the scale is going to say 100, 100. As you come up, it's going to say 101. For it to have a positive trajectory, you have to apply 101 pounds upwards. | ||
| Sorry, downwards, and then the reaction will be upwards. | ||
| If I put that weight on my back, if I put 70 pounds, if I take 70% of the weight, and I go up and down really fast on the scale, the scale is going to read 101. Minimum. | ||
| If I explode up really fast, it's going to read 100, 100, 200, 300. Now, I got the benefits of a maximum contraction. | ||
| Let's say 100 pounds was the maximum you can lift. | ||
| But I don't have the weight... | ||
| Of 100 pounds on me. | ||
| You know somebody who really made this popular is Louie Simmons. | ||
| He learned it from the Russians. | ||
| You know Louie Simmons? | ||
| Have you had him on your show? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's a brilliant trainer. | ||
| He's a fascinating guy. | ||
| He's a brilliant human being. | ||
| He's out of his fucking mind too. | ||
| He's out of his mind? | ||
| We interviewed him in his gym. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, in Columbus. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| But he's a genius when it comes to lifting. | ||
| He's a genius. | ||
| He knows what he's talking about. | ||
| He read Super Training. | ||
| I also read Super Training. | ||
| And Super Training is about... | ||
| Lowering the weights to the right amount and doing a plyometric with it. | ||
| You get the same benefits as using maximum weight, but you don't get the side effects, the soreness, the injury, the redlining. | ||
| You don't get any of that. | ||
| So the Russians found a great way to apply maximum force on a bar, but they also get speed. | ||
| They're not training like tow trucks. | ||
| They're training like Ferraris. | ||
| That's actually where I got the term from Louis Simmons. | ||
| He really clarified it for me, made it really simple. | ||
| So, like, what kind of, like, say if you could bench press 315 pounds, what would you use? | ||
| Use between 65 to 80% of that weight, and then just do it quick. | ||
| Boom! | ||
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| You'll get the same amount of resistance if you do it quickly as if you had maximum weight on it. | ||
| So he doesn't use maximum weight except for once a week. | ||
| And the reason why he explains it is he says, look, you have proprioceptors in your system. | ||
| Proprioceptors is like, it's what tells you if your arm is up or down, if your arm is bent to your chest. | ||
| If I close your eyes and I lift your arm, you'll be like, you lifted my arm. | ||
| How do you know that? | ||
| Proprioceptors. | ||
| He says, let's say you're working with 75 pounds and your maximum is 100. When you go to lift that day on the competition day, when you get 100 on your bones, your body's going to be like, hey, I've never felt that amount of weight. | ||
| There's an arthrokinetic reflex. | ||
| Shut the muscles down. | ||
| We've never felt that weight. | ||
| This is the narrative that he gives us. | ||
| He says, because you've never felt that weight, your body is not going to allow you. | ||
| There's a safety mechanism in your body. | ||
| It says, look, we're not used to this. | ||
| Let's not take a chance. | ||
| And he says if you get your body used to that, the arthrokinetic reflex will quiet down and allow you to lift. | ||
| There's an inner mechanism, a safety mechanism in the human body. | ||
| So he says to bypass that, we do heavy weights once a week to numb that reflex. | ||
| But the majority of the work is done with lighter and fast, 75%. | ||
| What do you think of, like, Pavel Tatsulini's principles? | ||
| Strong first principles of, like, say if you could do 10 reps of something, you don't do 10, you do 5. That's exactly right. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I've read all of Tatsulin's works, almost all of them. | ||
| He's a brilliant trainer. | ||
| I agree with that 100%, outside of competition. | ||
| Let's explain it to people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so, yeah, let me, okay, so let's say, for instance, let's say, you know, I'm a big believer in never being sore. | ||
| You should train, and the next day you should wake up feeling good. | ||
| Okay, now why? | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| Well, because... | ||
| Look, if... | ||
| Okay, that's a great example. | ||
| Let's say... | ||
| Let's say your energy levels... | ||
| We're talking about fit people, by the way, right? | ||
| Every human being. | ||
| So guys never worked out before? | ||
| Even first day. | ||
| First day, never trained. | ||
| How is it possible to work out and not be sore? | ||
| No problem. | ||
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| Okay, here we go. | ||
| So, let's say there's something called rate of perceived exertion. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So, let's say I make you do pull-ups. | ||
| And let's say the maximum amount of pull-ups you can do, the maximum amount of pull-ups is 10. Let's keep a nice round number. | ||
| At 11, you couldn't do 11. If I pointed a gun at you, you couldn't do 11. Should I make you do 10 pull-ups on our workout? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm going to make you do 5. Why? | ||
| Because I'm setting you up to work the next day. | ||
| The next day we're going to do 5. And the next day we're going to do another 5. And then we're going to do 6. When 6 is really easy, we're going to do 7. Why? | ||
| If you count, if you did 10 pull-ups on Monday, you're going to be sore until Thursday. | ||
| Let's say it's really your max. | ||
| So Thursday, you've only done 10 pull-ups. | ||
| From Monday to Thursday, you've only done 10 pull-ups. | ||
| Me, I've been doing 5 pull-ups every day. | ||
| So I'm at 20 pull-ups already. | ||
| 25 pull-ups. | ||
| I have more volume than you. | ||
| Now, if you add up at the end of the year, who trained more? | ||
| I've trained way more than you. | ||
| So let's say I go to jiu-jitsu practice. | ||
| I'm doing jiu-jitsu every single day, 3 rounds, 5 days a week. | ||
| That's 15 rounds. | ||
| You go in twice a week, but you kill yourself. | ||
| You do five rounds each day. | ||
| You push yourself those last two rounds and you burn yourself out. | ||
| I still did 15. You're at 10. At the end of the year, I've done countless rounds. | ||
| I've had so much more training than you. | ||
| So how much training can we pack in in the week? | ||
| That's the real question. | ||
| How much volume can you expose your athlete to? | ||
| So I always tell people, look, exercise can produce energy. | ||
| So let's say I'm feeling like a 7 out of 10. 10 being I'm really energized. | ||
| One, I'm really lethargic, feeling like I need to lay down. | ||
| And seven, I'm feeling good. | ||
| If I get up and I do the right amount of exercise, the right amount, I can feel like an 8.5. | ||
| Exercise can give me a tonic effect like drinking this coffee. | ||
| So let's say I just do some jumping jacks. | ||
| I hit the back for a couple of rounds. | ||
| I'm feeling good. | ||
| Once you get that high, shut it down. | ||
| Don't go into the phase where your body's beat up, tight, broken up. | ||
| Don't redline the body. | ||
| That's only for training camps for a small period of time. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because you get a little bit more from the system. | ||
| But in the long run, you get less. | ||
| In the long run, you've taxed the system. | ||
| So if you do that regularly, by the time you actually get good, you'll be broken up. | ||
| That's why I do a lot of flow trading. | ||
| Have you ever heard of Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's flow? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, so, Jamie, can you look up a flow chart? | ||
| It'll be so much simpler. | ||
| Like, just put in flow, flow in the workplace, or flow chart. | ||
| This is pure genius. | ||
| This guy is a pure genius. | ||
| Basically, he went... | ||
| And he coined the term flow. | ||
| So when you're in a state of flow, we've all been in a state of flow. | ||
| The number one way to know that you're in a state of flow is time flies by. | ||
| I'm sure sometimes you've done podcasts and you're like, whoa, is it three hours already? | ||
| It was a great podcast. | ||
| The one where you have the worst guest or you're having the worst workout, it feels like every minute is an hour. | ||
| That's a bad... | ||
| You're not in a state of flow. | ||
| A state of flow is you're having the right amount of difficulty, but it's not so difficult that you go into stress, and it's not so easy that you're bored. | ||
| It's the right amount of challenge. | ||
| So let's say, as simple as playing Tetris, if I put you on a level that's too high, you're going to play for five minutes and you'll be like, I'm done. | ||
| If I put you on a level too easy, you're going to be like, this is boring. | ||
| If I put you at the right amount of level, see that's the flow channel. | ||
| So if the challenge is too high, you'll meet anxiety. | ||
| If it's too low, you're bored. | ||
| When I go in the practice room, I'm trying to create flow. | ||
| I'm having fun. | ||
| Training should be addictive. | ||
| Imagine training was addictive. | ||
| Everybody would train, everybody would be fit. | ||
| But people always go into anxiety. | ||
| They go and they kill, they slam their body. | ||
| Then I have to convince you to do it again three days later, two days later. | ||
| And you're like, dude, the mental energy is going to take me to get there. | ||
| It shouldn't be, it should be, training should be a pulling force. | ||
| It should be pulling you. | ||
| You want to go training. | ||
| If you don't want to go training, it's not fun. | ||
| If it's not fun, you're not going to do a lot of it. | ||
| And if you're not going to do a lot of it, you're never going to reach mastery. | ||
| So how do I make it pleasurable? | ||
| How to make it fun? | ||
| I have to be in a flow state. | ||
| And you can get into a flow state in almost anything. | ||
| But when you're out of that flow state, cut it. | ||
| We're gonna get further. | ||
| We're gonna do more training if we cut it today and come back in tomorrow. | ||
| Because I'm a big believer in consistency over intensity. | ||
| Intensity should be done once in a while. | ||
| Because by nature, intensity can only be done once in a while. | ||
| If you're going hard every day, you're not really going hard every day. | ||
| You can't go your max every day. | ||
| There's a cost to going to your max. | ||
| Can you sprint every single day? | ||
| You cannot sprint every single day. | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| You can sprint once or twice a week. | ||
| The best sprinters in the world, they sprint once or twice a week. | ||
| Nobody sprints every day. | ||
| Because intensity, by nature, entails that you need to take a break. | ||
| Because if you don't need to take a break, you didn't really go to your maximum intensity. | ||
| If you lift your maximum lift, the maximum amount of reps, the maximum weight you can lift. | ||
| If you do two reps, that wasn't your max. | ||
| Because if it was, you wouldn't have a second rep in you. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| I would have to give you a break for you to have a second rep. | ||
| So we didn't find your true max, right? | ||
| Intensity, maximum effort entails you have to stop. | ||
| Because it's the maximum. | ||
| There was no more reserves. | ||
| There are no more reserves. | ||
| So what do you think about people that say there's no such thing as overtraining? | ||
| Here's the John Dennerhart narrative. | ||
| He coins it really, really well. | ||
| He says, look, it's under rest. | ||
| So he says, look, you couldn't overtrain if you didn't give your body the rest later. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he says, look, no matter how I push in practice, if I didn't kill myself, I can rest from it and recover and have super compensation. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| Some guys have made great strides with just mental fortitude and mental strength overtraining the shit out of themselves. | ||
| Okay, but can I ask you this? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They were successful, yeah? | ||
| Yeah, but their bodies break down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But could they have been better? | ||
| If they used flow. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| As good as they were. | ||
| Dan Gable, for example. | ||
| Dan Gable essentially was done in his 20s, right? | ||
| In terms of his body's broken down, knee replacements, hip replacements, that kind of deal. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| Who wins more often, Russians or American wrestlers? | ||
| Russians. | ||
| Every time an American wrestler wins, he's like some prodigy. | ||
| It does happen, but it's rarely he's a technical master. | ||
| However, you have these Russian guys that win gold medals. | ||
| You've never heard of them, and they're like Michael Jordans of the sport. | ||
| There's just so many of them. | ||
| They train long, consistent practices. | ||
| Whereas in America, we do Monday, Wednesday, Friday hard. | ||
| We kill it. | ||
| And then you rest Tuesday, Thursday. | ||
| The Eastern Bloc had a totally different understanding. | ||
| They're like, it's volume, volume, volume, near the fight, short and intense. | ||
| Only near the competition phase. | ||
| But before that, it's the maximum amount of volume you can... | ||
| Imagine me and you, we're two athletes, A and B. You're A and B. You're training jiu-jitsu three times a week really, really hard. | ||
| You're going all out. | ||
| I'm training jiu-jitsu every single day. | ||
| My average practice is two hours. | ||
| Your average practice is two hours. | ||
| But when you go in, you kill it. | ||
| You go with all the black belts and you kill it. | ||
| At the end of the year, I'm averaging two practices more than you. | ||
| So I've had 100 practices more than you by the end of the year. | ||
| 104 practices. | ||
| Let's give two weeks for vacation. | ||
| 100 practices more than you. | ||
| 200 hours more than you I've been training. | ||
| When we roll, your intensity that you put on the mat is going to be irrelevant. | ||
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| Because I've also tasted that intensity periodically. | ||
| It's not that much of a factor now. | ||
| When you go super aggressive on me, when you attack me aggressively, I have felt that. | ||
| I know how to deal with it. | ||
| Plus I have an extra 100 hours on you. | ||
| 200 hours. | ||
| So I'm going to mangle you. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| The volume is far more important than the intensity. | ||
| The intensity by nature needs to be done periodically. | ||
| If you do it every day, it's not intensity. | ||
| So how do they structure their training? | ||
| They're more playful. | ||
| They kind of warm up. | ||
| They kind of flow roll. | ||
| They do a lot of technique, high emphasis on technique. | ||
| Now a lot of people hearing this are going to be like, well the Russians also are funded by their government. | ||
| Their government supports them a lot more than maybe an American wrestler. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| There are many factors. | ||
| However, we cannot deny that they're technically... | ||
| I hate to say the word superior, but they're technically more advanced, technically, when it comes to wrestling. | ||
| They have more of a flow understanding. | ||
| They play around and the practice gets more and more intense, more and more intense, until you see them going really, really hard. | ||
| They're going live, you know? | ||
| They're going really, really rough. | ||
| But they were playing. | ||
| They have a more playful attitude. | ||
| Look at the Cubans. | ||
| You ever see Cubans sparring? | ||
| They're like 50 guys in a room. | ||
| They're just touch sparring. | ||
| There's no headgear. | ||
| There's no mat on the floor. | ||
| They're literally sparring on concrete. | ||
| You think they're really trying to drop each other? | ||
| They're on concrete. | ||
| I mean, the Cubans are the top boxers. | ||
| They consistently win gold medals. | ||
| But in practice room, they're playful. | ||
| Nobody gets hurt. | ||
| Like you're seeing the ties. | ||
| The ties are just... | ||
| If you go in there and you kick a tie really hard, he won't spar with you anymore. | ||
| He'll be like, this guy's too amateur. | ||
| There's a time and place for intensity. | ||
| I'm not anti-intensity. | ||
| I think there's a time and place. | ||
| Angelo Dundee was probably arguably the greatest boxing trainer in history. | ||
| He says, look, fighting is for fight night. | ||
| In practice, it's only practice. | ||
| George Champion has that attitude and I think that's why he's so good and so healthy today. | ||
| Because he never hurts his sparring partners. | ||
| People line up to want to spar with him. | ||
| It's a joy to spar with him. | ||
| Yeah, I love this idea and I love this approach. | ||
| I think that we have this attitude that you have to be tough. | ||
| We have this attitude that you have to work hard. | ||
| And I mean, I've fallen prey to that many, many times in my life where you just got to be tougher. | ||
| You got to work out harder. | ||
| You got to push harder. | ||
| But when I read Pavel's stuff, one of the first things that struck me is like, well, yeah, of course, if you just do five reps every day, and then you won't be sore, you could do it more often, and then your body, like, you get farmer strength. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Where's farmer strength come from? | ||
| Farmers aren't, they're not going to exhaustion. | ||
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No! | |
| You know, they're not, like, throwing hay bales to the point where, you know, they literally, they're heaving, they put their hands on their knees, like, come on, five more! | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You should never be sore. | ||
| If you're sore, you overdid it. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Because I can't train the next day if I'm sore. | ||
| But I overdo it every time I work out then. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I said I've overdone it every time I worked out. | ||
| You may have. | ||
| You gotta... | ||
| There's a lot of people listening to this right now going, wait a minute. | ||
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What? | |
| How the fuck... | ||
| Make your workouts a 7 out of 10 and do them every day. | ||
| You're going to get far more training hours. | ||
| You're going to spike your metabolism far more often. | ||
| Your energy levels, your mood is going to be far more up. | ||
| And training is going to be more addictive. | ||
| Now, what kind of training do you do at this stage? | ||
| Like, you're not competing, but you're constantly in there sparring with guys who are professionals, and you're constantly training them. | ||
| Like, what kind of stuff do you do? | ||
| I do jujitsu, wrestling, Muay Thai, and a small amount of conditioning after practice. | ||
| I'm too bored. | ||
| I find jumping hurdles and doing weights and stuff... | ||
| Me, personally, I don't have to take that much enjoyment of it. | ||
| I can do 5 to 20 minutes in a practice. | ||
| Isn't that because sparring is just so fun? | ||
| It's so much fun. | ||
| I'm in a flow state. | ||
| We're having fun. | ||
| We're wrestling. | ||
| I think conditioning, you can't get away with it. | ||
| You need it. | ||
| We've got to talk about what George was saying on your podcast, that he doesn't do strength and conditioning. | ||
| There's a language issue there. | ||
| There's a language issue. | ||
| We've got to talk about that because we've done tremendous amounts of strength and conditioning, me and George. | ||
| Barrels full. | ||
| But he has a different definition. | ||
| There's a misunderstanding. | ||
| I really want to clarify that. | ||
| But if we roll for an hour, for me it passes like this. | ||
| Because it's so fun. | ||
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It's so fun. | |
| We're having a good time. | ||
| I'm fascinated. | ||
| I'm fascinated. | ||
| I'm always learning new things. | ||
| To swing a kettlebell, to do push-ups, pull-ups, I can only do that for a fine amount of time. | ||
| So I'll put a timer, three rounds, two minutes, and I'm doing it. | ||
| And I bite the bullet and I do it. | ||
| It keeps me healthy. | ||
| But I don't go and practice to just do that. | ||
| That I never do. | ||
| It's always after my workout, after I do jiu-jitsu. | ||
| So you never have a day where you say, today I'm going to do Olympic lifting? | ||
| No, I don't think Muhammad Ali ever did that. | ||
| Muhammad Ali never, he boxed and then he did his conditioning. | ||
| Mayweather does his conditioning, then he boxes. | ||
| It always came together. | ||
| Why? | ||
| When I go to the gym, I'm going to go have fun. | ||
| I'm going to go wrestle. | ||
| I'm going to go box. | ||
| I'm going to have a blast. | ||
| Then I'm going to grab the kettlebell. | ||
| I'm going to do a few presses. | ||
| I'm going to do a few Turkish get-ups and I'm done. | ||
| Because I need to have some general fitness. | ||
| You have general fitness, then you have specific fitness. | ||
| Specific fitness is to get better at my sport. | ||
| General fitness is to keep me healthy, strong, and allow me to reach new levels of athleticism that later, in the long term, can translate to my sport. | ||
| Later. | ||
| But if you just do your sport, in my opinion, your system is going to break down. | ||
| Your back is going to break down. | ||
| Your knee is going to break down. | ||
| Your shoulder is going to break down. | ||
| You need to stimulate certain muscles that are not getting stimulation in your specific sport. | ||
| You create atrophy in certain muscles because you're not using them really. | ||
| I need to work my stabilizers. | ||
| I need to swing the kettlebell. | ||
| I need to squat. | ||
| I need to do certain exercises. | ||
| What are the standard cores? | ||
| Kettlebells? | ||
| Is that like your main... | ||
| Triple extension is number one. | ||
| So any type of squatting maneuver. | ||
| I don't particularly use the squat. | ||
| Triple extension? | ||
| Triple extension. | ||
| So your knee, hip, and ankle are bending. | ||
| So like a squat. | ||
| Your knee, hip, and ankle are bending. | ||
| I like to jump. | ||
| I like to throw the med ball a lot against the wall. | ||
| I like to do hurdles. | ||
| I like to do box jumps. | ||
| I like to do very low impact plyometrics. | ||
| I like sprinting. | ||
| Sprinting is huge. | ||
| You ever do the beep test? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Oh, you got the space for the beep test here. | ||
| You got to implement beep test. | ||
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What is it? | |
| It's the best way to do cardio. | ||
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Really? | |
| You ever hear the soccer players use it a lot? | ||
| It's a beep, right? | ||
| You run, you beep, and then it beeps back. | ||
| And the faster the beeps go, the faster you have to run. | ||
| That's really amazing. | ||
| Because what I do is I set a timer for five minutes. | ||
| I put it on a high pace, like I'll put it at 10 or 11, and I'll just shuttle back and forth. | ||
| And it tells you how fast to run, the beep test. | ||
| And some days I'll feel really good, I'll do 11. Because I know how fast I have to run to keep up with the beats. | ||
| And that just, it's amazing for cardio. | ||
| It's short, sweet, painless. | ||
| And it's very, it translates very well to sports. | ||
| Do you do Tabatas? | ||
| Do you ever do Tabata? | ||
| Tabatas are good, yeah. | ||
| I think Tabatas are good. | ||
| If they're done well, they're good. | ||
| But again, you have to do it in a way it doesn't create soreness. | ||
| Because Tabata can create soreness. | ||
| You have to be very, I wouldn't do Tabata kettlebell swing. | ||
| That'll cook my hamstrings. | ||
| I'll probably do like hurdle jump. | ||
| Like you take a small hurdle and you just hurdle over it for 20 seconds. | ||
| Now what you're saying though, like there's got to be a bunch of CrossFit people out there right now that are screaming into their phones. | ||
| They're wrong. | ||
| All due respect. | ||
| They're wrong. | ||
| How long can you say all due respect? | ||
| With all due respect, they're wrong. | ||
| Let me tell you why. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And look, if you like CrossFit, do it. | ||
| Whatever motivates you, do it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| CrossFit's problem is it's fatigue seeking. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It says, look, go out there and burn yourself out. | ||
| That's totally wrong. | ||
| They're not building any skill. | ||
| Show me a guy who's a champion in CrossFit, champion in Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| That guy would need two lifetimes to reach mastery in both of those. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because my CrossFit workout is going to tax me so much. | ||
| I cannot learn armbar sweep, triangle choke, double leg takedown, underhook. | ||
| I've taxed my whole system. | ||
| My system is in recovery. | ||
| When your system is in recovery, what can you do but rest? | ||
| You understand? | ||
| Okay, Hafa Mendez. | ||
| Do you think Hafa Mendez, arguably one of the greatest pound-for-pound jiu-jitsu guys in the world, do you think he's got a great crossfit workout that he's really mastered, he's really good at? | ||
| Do you think he has a great back squat? | ||
| Do you think he's a great deadlifter? | ||
| It doesn't look like it. | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| Believe me. | ||
| Do you think Gordon Ryan, he's a great Olympic lifter? | ||
| No. | ||
| They're always going to be at an amateur level in the fitness world. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because if they were experts, they would have taken so much from their jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Like, look at George. | ||
| He does gymnastics. | ||
| And I'm the one who... | ||
| I twisted his arm a little to put him in gymnastics. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I thought it would give him tremendous benefit because of the amount of... | ||
| First of all, they use a lot of body weight, so it doesn't cost us anything neurologically. | ||
| Body weight exercises are very easy to recover from. | ||
| Bodyweight exercises are very easy on the nervous system. | ||
| They use leverage instead of weights. | ||
| Plus, the stabilizer strength is unbelievable. | ||
| So, and of course, I wanted coordination. | ||
| I felt George was a little bit stiff, mechanical. | ||
| And the tumbling makes you more fluid. | ||
| I thought I would create more efficiency this way. | ||
| So we get him there, and there's difficulties from A to F. We're still at A and B, and he'll always be at A and B. Maybe he'll touch C in his career, but he'll never get to F. You'd have to start really young, and you'd have to do it full-time. | ||
| Imagine somebody trying to get good at jiu-jitsu, doing it part-time. | ||
| He'll never get good. | ||
| He'll be so-so. | ||
| He'll reach such a level. | ||
| CrossFit is too fatigue-seeking for an MMA fighter. | ||
| Now, if CrossFitters followed, if they just followed that 70% rule, they periodically went to their max, periodically, as opposed to every single workout, go totally out. | ||
| I bet you their top, top guys don't go all out every day. | ||
| I bet you if you watch what their top guys do, they taper off the workout. | ||
| They make the workout between 70 and 85% of their true max and they work volume. | ||
| And then closer to competition, they go higher in intensity. | ||
| I guarantee you that's what the best CrossFitters do. | ||
| There's no way that the guy who goes balls out every day is going to add up as much workout and as much training time as the guy who's going 70 to 85% of his max. | ||
| There's just no way. | ||
| But when they do those classes, like say they do a CrossFit class, and I'm speaking out of ignorance, honestly, because I only watch them on video, I've never done a CrossFit class, but it seems to me they're competing against each other. | ||
| Yeah, they're going all out, trying to set up PR. Every class. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| All due respect, I mean, it just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| But why is it so popular? | ||
| Because people think that's right. | ||
| Because why? | ||
| Because when you watch a prime time or a fight, the guy's at the peak. | ||
| He's at a point in his training camp where he's at the high end of intensity. | ||
| So people are always watching the last part of your camp. | ||
| The part where you're peaking. | ||
| And then you're going to go taper off for 10-15 days. | ||
| They don't see that part and they don't see the months before where you ramped up to that level. | ||
| They just see the last two, three weeks where it's the last few sparrings and we're mimicking fight speed to the maximum as we can. | ||
| We're flirting with danger here. | ||
| We're only doing it a little bit, but that's the part everybody's watching. | ||
| So they think, oh, if you want to become really good, you have to flirt with danger every day. | ||
| That's what their workouts are. | ||
| If you see George train throughout the year, you'd be like, hey, that wasn't so intense. | ||
| That wasn't so intense. | ||
| There's another really mellow practice. | ||
| I remember when I was younger, I was training at the Grant Brothers gym and I would see Otis Grant. | ||
| He's a world champion boxer. | ||
| Everybody knew him in Canada. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| And he was training really relaxed. | ||
| I was like, dude, I'm training harder than him. | ||
| But that's his millionth workout. | ||
| It was my 10th. | ||
| He's doing it in the long run. | ||
| He's added way more years of training. | ||
| So that's when I started to understand that the champion, the best guy, He's training for the long run. | ||
| It's far more intelligent. | ||
| He's getting far more workouts in than me that's burned out and the next day I need a rest. | ||
| So it's consistency over intensity. | ||
| Intensity entails you need to take a break. | ||
| There's no way around it. | ||
| So if you're a young person listening to this and you've got a coach that's trying to burn you out every day, what the fuck do you do? | ||
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Um... | |
| I don't know. | ||
| If you go into the gym and go, you know what? | ||
| I was listening to Farasa Hobby the other day and Farasa is saying, you're a retard. | ||
| Here's my, you know, when I roll with guys, I think they feel, when I grab them, I'm grabbing them gently, and they realize it. | ||
| And I'll let them, like, I'll let guys pass my guard. | ||
| Like, I'll just go ahead, start set control. | ||
| And I'll just get, they'll get the message that we're just kind of playing around. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then later, when we're going more intense, you know, they'll feel it. | ||
| They'll feel the intensity. | ||
| But I don't always roll hard. | ||
| If you see me rolling, I usually will roll with blue belts and purple belts. | ||
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Why? | |
| Because I need to warm up. | ||
| I need three, four rounds of warm up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't want to even have a tight shoulder or tight hamstring. | ||
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Of course. | |
| I don't want anything tight. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So I warm up with them really good. | ||
| When I'm really warm, then I go and I wrestle. | ||
| I like to go wrestle. | ||
| I like to stand up. | ||
| Okay, who wants to wrestle now? | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Because I'm really warm now. | ||
| I can wrestle. | ||
| I can hit the ground. | ||
| But you're in a position where you can sort of determine and dictate what kind of exercises you do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the question was like, if you're a young person and you're entering into an MMA gym and the instructor, those to be kind, is a meathead, right? | ||
| Which there's a lot of them out there. | ||
| There is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
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What do you do? | |
| You might have to take a few beatings as a white belt. | ||
| You might. | ||
| I mean, I grinded my gears when I was younger, but as you get older and more skilled, now you can take the VIP lane. | ||
| Now's the time. | ||
| You've got the skill and you've got the knowledge. | ||
| But early on, you have less miles on you, so you'll survive more of a beating. | ||
| You ever see those? | ||
| There's a lot of jujitsu classes where they go through an extremely rigorous conditioning routine before they ever do any training. | ||
| And I've always disagreed with that. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Totally right. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like... | ||
| Show me one world champion that did it that way. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it's possible that they did. | ||
| Who? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know who did what. | ||
| I've trained with a lot of the greatest jiu-jitsu guys in the world. | ||
| And they all warm up with technique. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| You think Ryan Hall gets up and does his burpees before practice? | ||
| You think he goes and he runs five miles and he does weights? | ||
| I know that a lot of the old school guys, they were into that. | ||
| Isn't Ralph Gracie famous for those conditioning drills they do? | ||
| I don't know, but he never won... | ||
| He was in a time and place where very few people knew jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Now the secret's out. | ||
| Who are the top guys? | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| Yeah, I feel like there's also a thing where people want to be really tired from workouts. | ||
| They feel like they're getting a great workout in if you beat them down. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with that. | ||
| There's a disconnect. | ||
| There's like, I want to feel pain. | ||
| Punish me. | ||
| Yeah, you're retarding growth, though. | ||
| People don't like that word retard anymore, because they think you're talking about someone with a disease. | ||
| But the real term of retarding, you're slowing down growth. | ||
| And that's really what retarded action is. | ||
| Like, you have an issue in that the way you're approaching things is uniquely damaging to your ultimate goal of progress. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But it's so common! | ||
| Someone right now is listening to thousands of people that are going to class and they know that they're going to have to do all these crazy burpees and all this crazy shit before class. | ||
| It's so fucking common. | ||
| Icarus, you fly too close to the sun, what happens to you? | ||
| You burn, baby. | ||
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And you drown. | |
| Stay in the middle. | ||
| Stay in the middle. | ||
| So if you're going to do those conditioning exercises, can I half-ass them? | ||
| Half-ass them a bit. | ||
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| I give you permission. | ||
| That's why I like to do my conditioning after. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because my body's warm. | ||
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I agree, too. | |
| And I don't need... | ||
| Because the thing is, look, when you do conditioning before, you weaken your stabilizers. | ||
| The prime mover... | ||
| The muscles in your body that are prime movers have more endurance than your stabilizers. | ||
| So if you weaken the stabilizers... | ||
| Your joint is less stable while you're rolling. - Yes. | ||
| - The element of fatigue can put your joints in danger. | ||
| That's why I only do, because when you're doing exercises, you're in control. | ||
| You're not in a live roll with somebody trying to tug on your arm. | ||
| - Right. - So I need maximum strength when somebody's trying to tug on my arm in case I'm in a bad position. | ||
| I need to make sure that I have my strength levels are there to protect my joints. | ||
| Joint protection is huge. | ||
| You need to make sure your joints are healthy. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| What kind of exercises do you do to make sure your joints are protected? | ||
| Well, I do the supple leopard. | ||
| I do a lot of mobility work, and I do low-impact plyometrics. | ||
| Low-impact. | ||
| So, for instance, that's why I like the med ball, throwing the med ball against the wall. | ||
| I like to do steps, you know, like you have a block, like a 12-inch block, and I like to jump, like do steps over, back and forth. | ||
| So you kind of jump up in the air, but you never leave the ground because the block is also high. | ||
| So you never get the negative contraction. | ||
| You never get the impact of hitting the ground. | ||
| I like sprinting. | ||
| So explain that. | ||
| How are you not getting the negative impact? | ||
| So let's say, for instance, this is a block. | ||
| And this is my feet right here. | ||
| So I'm like this. | ||
| I'll jump. | ||
| Okay, so I'll jump. | ||
| Okay, so you touch the block. | ||
| I'm touching the block. | ||
| So when I jump off the ground, I'm landing on the block. | ||
| So I'm stepping down, jumping up. | ||
| Stepping down, jumping up. | ||
| I see. | ||
| So I'm always exploding up, but landing on the block softly. | ||
| Because when you jump up, it's the landing that kills your joints. | ||
| If I put up a 50-inch box and I make you jump up, the landing's going to be very soft. | ||
| If I tell you you jump over a hurdle, now you're in mid-air and you're crashing down towards the ground and you land, you gotta absorb that shock. | ||
| But that's why I like hill sprints. | ||
| Hill sprints are great because your foot never leaves the ground. | ||
| Even though you're exploding upwards, the ground is coming up with you. | ||
| So it's a very soft landing. | ||
| The soft landing is key. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes a lot of sense. | ||
| That makes a lot of sense. | ||
| But what about hitting a bag then? | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| Cardio is the best. | ||
| I do a lot of Dutch drill for cardio. | ||
| Dutch drills? | ||
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What's that? | |
| Left hook, right kick, right hand, left kick. | ||
| Three minutes. | ||
| Just ba-ba-boom. | ||
| Ba-ba-boom. | ||
| Sometimes I do a three-punch combo, two-punch combo, and I finish with a kick or a double kick. | ||
| And I just spike my heart rate. | ||
| That way I'm developing my skill, developing my cardio. | ||
| I get very lean when I do that. | ||
| And I feel great. | ||
| I feel my energy levels are up. | ||
| It's better than doing bike or running personally because I'm developing my skill and I'm also spiking my heart rate. | ||
| A Dutch drill can be very intense on the heart rate. | ||
| It's low impact and it's a plyometric. | ||
| It's everything I need. | ||
| Yeah, what weight heavy bag do you use? | ||
| I use the Fertex, the giant pole bag, they call it. | ||
| Like a big, big giant bag. | ||
| It touches the ground, so when I kick it, it doesn't move. | ||
| Oh, that's heavy as fuck. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's like a 300 pound bag, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why do you like that one? | ||
| Because when I kick it, the bag doesn't swing, so I don't have to reset. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So I can keep that pace really high. | ||
| So I'm going pop, pop, pop. | ||
| And are you hitting it full blast or are you just sort of... | ||
| As I get warmed up, I hit harder and harder until I'm full blast. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So I might start really relaxed, kicking low to the leg. | ||
| Then as the workout gets warmer and warmer and hotter and hotter, I'm sweating more, I start kicking to the head. | ||
| Everything is gradual warm up. | ||
| You know, and when I've had enough, I stop. | ||
| Like, I'm not going to make myself sick because I'm working out tomorrow again. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, what about stretching? | ||
| Stretching I like, but I prefer mobility. | ||
| So mobility is the element of stretching your muscle, but also creating motion. | ||
| The joint has to be in a type of rotation, in or out. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because you're creating synovial fluid to the joint. | ||
| The joint is really more important to me than the muscle. | ||
| Because the muscle rejuvenates itself. | ||
| The joint doesn't. | ||
| It does at a lesser degree. | ||
| So I gotta always be oiling up the joints. | ||
| This is very important to me. | ||
| Very important. | ||
| Now, when you say, like, mobility, like, what do you do, like, for your hamstrings and things like that if you're trying to stretch them out and also do mobility? | ||
| So, let's say I stretch out my leg. | ||
| I'll be just kind of Moving around. | ||
| Bending at the hip, in and out. | ||
| I won't just leave it out there static. | ||
| There has to be a type of motion. | ||
| I see. | ||
| It's very important because when I'm wrestling or I'm doing jiu-jitsu, my leg's out there and I'm creating motion. | ||
| I have to move. | ||
| I'm not just putting it out there. | ||
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Right. | |
| There's always a type of movement because when I stretch my leg out to stop you from passing the guard, I'm going to be moving my body at the same time. | ||
| That's mobility. | ||
| That's the difference between stretching and mobility. | ||
| There is a stretch element to mobility, but in stretching, there's no mobility element. | ||
| Now what about yoga? | ||
| I think yoga is good for relaxation and range of motion. | ||
| I think it's very good. | ||
| I just don't personally have the time and energy for it because I'm always in the gym. | ||
| So for me to find time for yoga is just a little bit difficult. | ||
| But I think it does allow for a great range of motion and relaxation and centering. | ||
| If you have the time in your schedule, it's good. | ||
| I just personally, with three kids and everything that I do, I'm in the gym already too much. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, I just wonder, like, for fighters, I mean, I'm hearing more and more fighters incorporate yoga into the training sessions to try to create more balance and also stability, joint stability in particular, because you're holding these static positions for long periods of time, balance and... | ||
| It's a brilliant art. | ||
| Your core as well. | ||
| Yeah, it's a brilliant art. | ||
| If you can have the time and energy to do it, it's great. | ||
| Now, what about nutrition? | ||
| Nutrition is huge. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| How do you eat? | ||
| Right now, I just finished Ramadan, so I've been eating a lot of processed foods. | ||
| Ramadan is the time of the year where I gain a lot of weight. | ||
| Because normally throughout the year, I eat very little processed foods. | ||
| I eat natural foods. | ||
| But during Ramadan, because I have such a small window to eat, to fit my calories in, and I'm very busy all year round. | ||
| I always have projects, fights, traveling. | ||
| I eat processed foods. | ||
| Why processed foods? | ||
| Because there's more calories in them. | ||
| If I'm going to go the whole day after no water, no food, I need to have eaten a certain amount of calories in the night. | ||
| So if I eat a salad and some fruits, I'm going to be at zero by afternoon in a hot gym with a bunch of guys who need to drill and work. | ||
| And I'm sweating in the gym just standing there. | ||
| I haven't even started yet. | ||
| I'm sweating. | ||
| I got to hold pads. | ||
| I got to wrestle this guy. | ||
| This guy needs these positions. | ||
| I'm working. | ||
| And at zero. | ||
| So I need that density of foods that I get from processed foods. | ||
| But I take a serious loss in energy and I gain weight for sure, no doubt about it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Processed foods is the worst. | ||
| So for Ramadan, for the month, in the moment you wake up until the sun goes down, you can't have any food and any water? | ||
| No, from sunrise. | ||
| Sunrise. | ||
| So you wake up before sunrise, you eat. | ||
| Most people do that. | ||
| By midway of Ramadan, I stopped doing that because I just can't get up anymore. | ||
| I just can't wake up. | ||
| My body's a bit of a wreck. | ||
| But from sunrise to sunset, you're not consuming anything. | ||
| No food, no water. | ||
| If you can have water, it would be easy. | ||
| I know people who do water fasts. | ||
| I've done water fasts. | ||
| It's quite easy. | ||
| You have the energy. | ||
| But when you cut the water, it becomes a problem. | ||
| Especially if you're in a hot gym and you're just sweating standing there. | ||
| And now it's in the summer. | ||
| Ramadan's in the summer. | ||
| It's very humid in Canada and it's hot. | ||
| It's very hot. | ||
| So I have to be very careful. | ||
| And that's why at night, even just to resist eating processed foods, it's too difficult. | ||
| You've got to eat. | ||
| So, do you have a specific calorie number that you try to hit? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| Honestly, no. | ||
| What kind of foods are you eating when you say processed foods? | ||
| Whatever my mom or wife is going to make. | ||
| I'm going to eat a pasta. | ||
| I'm going to eat bread. | ||
| I'm going to eat a dessert after. | ||
| I'm going to have a cheesecake. | ||
| I'm going to eat all the stuff I don't eat. | ||
| I'm going to eat all the stuff I never eat. | ||
| I'll make myself an omelet. | ||
| I'll just... | ||
| So you just crush it at night? | ||
| I crush it at night. | ||
| I crush it at night. | ||
| But I pay the price. | ||
| After Ramadan, I got to lose the weight. | ||
| I got to get back in shape. | ||
| It's funny because a lot of people would think that if you're not eating all day, that you would lose weight. | ||
| Yeah, most people do, Ramadan. | ||
| They lose weight. | ||
| Everybody's like, I lost weight, I lost weight. | ||
| I'm like, guys, I gain weight. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the thing is, I know what I'm doing the next day. | ||
| It's going to be rough. | ||
| I'm not just working in an office. | ||
| I got to move. | ||
| I got to move my body. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I pack the calories in the night before. | ||
| I hydrate. | ||
| And then I go in the gym and I try to make it like... | ||
| I try to do my routine as usual. | ||
| The hydrating part's got to be the most difficult. | ||
| That's got to be exhausting. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough. | ||
| Some fighters have actually gone through training camps while they're... | ||
| I know. | ||
| Bilal Muhammad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Muhammad Bilal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very dangerous in my opinion. | ||
| And risky. | ||
| Well, he won. | ||
| He won. | ||
| God bless him, man. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| Yeah, crazy. | ||
| I have one of my fighters now. | ||
| He was doing Ramadan. | ||
| I was telling him off. | ||
| I was like, listen, you can't book a fight and do Ramadan. | ||
| It's one or the other. | ||
| You either do your Ramadan after the fight, but not during the camp. | ||
| Because it's too risky. | ||
| It's too dangerous. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's one of the things. | ||
| He was literally sparring. | ||
| He was literally sparring. | ||
| I was like, dude, why you look so flat today? | ||
| He's like, I gotta confess to you. | ||
| I'm like, what is it? | ||
| I'm doing Ramadan. | ||
| I said, dude, you either do Ramadan and cancel your fight or you book your fight and you do Ramadan after. | ||
| The two is dangerous. | ||
| Ramadan is not about putting yourself in danger. | ||
| Can you do Ramadan anytime you want? | ||
| If it interferes with your work, you can do it after when it's convenient. | ||
| Okay, so you don't have to do it uniformly when everyone else is doing it. | ||
| No, because he has a fight booked. | ||
| It's his career. | ||
| That's how he puts food on the table. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you have an exception here. | ||
| Okay, do your Ramadan after your fight. | ||
| Like for instance, Bektik, Mirzad Bektik, he's doing his Ramadan after he just fought. | ||
| He's doing it afterwards. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because during the camp, I was like, look, you're either doing Ramadan and we're canceling the fight or... | ||
| You're going to do your job, and you do Ramadan after. | ||
| And he was like, okay, I understand. | ||
| That's the way it's done. | ||
| He looked fantastic. | ||
| He did. | ||
| Against Lomas. | ||
| Lomas, rather. | ||
| Lomas is a very tough veteran. | ||
| Ricardo's been around. | ||
| He's fought the best of the best. | ||
| He's fought for the title. | ||
| And that was a really, really professional performance by him. | ||
| Yeah, Ricardo came to win also. | ||
| And he had that creepy mustache, too. | ||
| What's up with Beck Dick's creepy mustache? | ||
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| Experimenting with the creepy mustache. | ||
| Yeah, he's such a good kid though. | ||
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I love him. | |
| He seems like a very, very nice guy. | ||
| But I was just super impressed with the way he handled Lamas. | ||
| Because Lamas is... | ||
| I mean, Lamas is as well-rounded as you're going to get. | ||
| He's a wrestler. | ||
| He's got great striking, great submission skills. | ||
| And he's seen so much that for him to win and win down the stretch, like he was overwhelming him deep into the second and the third. | ||
| I was like, well, this is a guy that's clearly hitting his stride and hitting the next level. | ||
| Yeah, he did a great job. | ||
| Now, when a guy like that is coming off of a fight like the Darren Elkins fight, how do you build him back up after that fight? | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| I feel like he was trying to do too much and he wore himself out. | ||
| And Elkins is one of those guys where if you give him a window, the fight's over. | ||
| He's one of those guys who's dangerous. | ||
| He knows what to do in a particular situation. | ||
| He's not going to panic. | ||
| And he found the right moment to beat Mirzad. | ||
| But I think just Mirzad overworked himself. | ||
| And he didn't find pockets to... | ||
| Because the thing is, you cannot exert yourself at a maximum pace forever. | ||
| You've got to find pockets of recovery and get back to it. | ||
| I felt like he just overextended himself in the fight. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like that was the case too, but it's how do you know when to, I mean, how do you know when to push? | ||
| The idea is like you want to break your opponent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So how do you know when you're breaking yourself? | ||
| How do you know when your opponent has too much gas and you're not going to, like a guy like Elkins is famous for his durability and his heart. | ||
| So he's an interesting case. | ||
| Yeah, I think the master of that is George. | ||
| George recovers in the round. | ||
| We always talk about recovering in the round. | ||
| And never showing the guy your maximum point. | ||
| Like, let's say we're fighting me and you, and I see you back off because you're tired. | ||
| You're huffing up. | ||
| I know you're breaking point now. | ||
| I know that if I push this pace a little bit more, you're going to break. | ||
| There's no more reserves. | ||
| However, if you get to about 70% of your fatigue, and then you start circling, and I see you're circling, but I don't see your fatigue. | ||
| You're just doing that as a decoy. | ||
| You're playing mind games with me. | ||
| But really you're recovering. | ||
| You're playing mind games with me. | ||
| You're circling. | ||
| You're tying me up in ways. | ||
| You know that I'm never going to go over 70%. | ||
| I'm never going to redline in a fight. | ||
| Only at the last bit of the fight am I going to redline. | ||
| Because I have a reserve in case things go wrong. | ||
| I have a reserve to explode out of a position that I might need. | ||
| So the only times I will redline is if I'm in trouble in the fight. | ||
| And I have to go all in because the fight's going to be over. | ||
| Or it's the end of the fight. | ||
| Guys who go all in in round one, for me, eventually they will lose because some guy's going to weather that storm, sidestep, and he's going to put the kill on you when you're in recovery mode. | ||
| Or like Francis Ngannou and Stipe Miocic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Francis came out, guns blazed in that first round, blew his wad, and then in the second and the third, Stipe took over. | ||
| When you go for the kill, you're risking... | ||
| Losing the decision or losing afterwards if you don't get the kill. | ||
| If you go all in and there's no reserve, you better get that kill. | ||
| Because if you don't... | ||
| What's amazing is that when guys go all in in the first round, even if they're in great shape, sometimes they don't recover enough to complete the fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If the guy they're fighting is skilled enough to not allow them that... | ||
| You know, if you roll with a blue belt, you'll never get tired. | ||
| He doesn't have the skill to make me work. | ||
| Right. | ||
| However, if I'm with a black belt, and I get exhausted, and now he's making me work, I may never recover. | ||
| Right, right, yeah. | ||
| Well, it's not just... | ||
| It's also... | ||
| The way you go out, if you go out full clip in that first round, you have essentially sprinted yourself into a position where you're just so diminished. | ||
| There's so many fighters that are like that, right? | ||
| Like, Conor is kind of a good example of that. | ||
| Conor is fantastic in the beginning of a fight, but, man, he gets to them third, fourth, and fifth rounds, and he takes, like, the Nate Diaz fight, the second fight, he becomes human. | ||
| He turned and walked away from him. | ||
| He becomes very human. | ||
| He needed that break so badly. | ||
| When you see that, do you think that that is a case of... | ||
| And I don't want you to give away too much because, you know, George potentially wants to fight Connor. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Do you think that that's a case of poor conditioning? | ||
| Do you think that is a lack of experience in handling those moments because he's so used to overwhelming people and taking them out early? | ||
| What do you think that is? | ||
| I think it's partly genetic. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes, because you see, I call it the touch of death. | ||
| You know, he's got that left hand. | ||
| It's the touch of death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That touch of death comes at a cost. | ||
| Okay, how do you have the touch of death? | ||
| Where does power come from? | ||
| Okay, well, if you look at Michael Kogan, what we were talking about earlier, he has the criteria for power. | ||
| To the best of his knowledge, this is where he believes power comes from. | ||
| Okay, so I can't teach Hussein Bolt to be powerful. | ||
| I can only make him faster. | ||
| But where did that initial power come from? | ||
| Number one on the list, number one, is where your muscle is attached to your bone. | ||
| It's genetic. | ||
| So Tyson has a powerful left hook. | ||
| Not because his coach taught him how to hit a left hook. | ||
| He could have hit a left hook like that if he had a mediocre trainer. | ||
| It has to do with the leverage of his bones. | ||
| So for instance, imagine a really heavy pole that weighs 100 pounds. | ||
| And I want to stand it up. | ||
| Well, depending on where I grab it, I'm going to have more resistance or less resistance. | ||
| If I grab it near the end, I have more leverage. | ||
| So where your muscles attach to your bone is going to dictate how much leverage you get out of it. | ||
| Second most important element is the type of muscle fiber you have. | ||
| The type. | ||
| So if you have a fast twitch muscle fiber, you can hold less oxygen, but it can twitch faster. | ||
| Hence the name. | ||
| So if you're a slow twitch muscle fiber guy, you can metabolize more oxygen, but you can't twitch as fast. | ||
| So there's a give and take. | ||
| Nick Diaz. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So you have a guy, Nick Diaz, who needs to knock you out with volume. | ||
| He can knock you out with one shot. | ||
| Like, look at BJ Penn. | ||
| If round one he doesn't knock you out, likelihood of knocking you out in round two is less. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Diaz is the opposite. | ||
| The likelihood of him knocking you out in round three is higher than round one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because of the cumulative attack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| McGregor, look at his stats. | ||
| It's all round one knockout, round one knockout, round two knockout. | ||
| He's fast twitch, high leverage, left hand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you take him into deep waters, his fast twitch muscle fibers cannot metabolize with Mayweather. | ||
| Mayweather's so smart. | ||
| He let him work. | ||
| He let McGregor work for three rounds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're getting excited. | ||
| Keep working. | ||
| Keep working. | ||
| And when you have nothing left, I'm going to put you out. | ||
| You know, that was such a brilliant strategy. | ||
| It was. | ||
| And it was so obvious how much more efficient he was. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, and more relaxed. | ||
| Conor had his moment early in the fight where he hit him with some unorthodox punches and some weird movement. | ||
| But after a while, it was just... | ||
| I found both of them had a brilliant performance because what McGregor did to go in his world. | ||
| Oh, incredible. | ||
| It was brilliant. | ||
| It was brilliant. | ||
| Just crazy. | ||
| Crazy that it even happened. | ||
| If you really stop and think about it, it was almost like the world got a magic trick pulled out. | ||
| It was unbelievable. | ||
| I want George to fight Mayweather. | ||
| I keep bothering George. | ||
| You fight Mayweather. | ||
| You fight him. | ||
| He's like, it's crazy. | ||
| I know it's crazy. | ||
| I bet Mayweather would do it. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| But George might have to lose a shitload of weight. | ||
| They'll find a catch weight. | ||
| Do you think Mayweather is worried that he's going to get concussed? | ||
| He's fought all the top punchers in the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's just going to have to worry about George's volume and reach. | ||
| But he can handle himself, and George can handle himself. | ||
| But the whole world is going to tune into that one. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Look at you, you're selling it. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| George, do it, man. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| But George doesn't want to fight a smaller guy. | ||
| He doesn't want to call out a smaller guy. | ||
| So it's going to have to come from Mayweather. | ||
| It's going to have to come from him. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There's another big money fight. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But is it as big a money fight? | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| The real big money fight is in somehow or another McGregor convincing the world that he could beat him in a second fight. | ||
| Mayweather? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, that's a hard sell. | ||
| That's a hard sell. | ||
| We bought that one already. | ||
| Yeah, we bought that one. | ||
| They need George to fight McGregor. | ||
| There was the one thing of doing it in the octagon and doing it with small gloves and no kicks. | ||
| Remember, there was some talk of that and people were like, well, where's this talk coming from? | ||
| I don't know if it was legit or not. | ||
| I called Dana. | ||
| Dana said it's 100% bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the state can't enforce that. | ||
| So if McGregor wants to throw a kick, he'll throw a kick. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It'd have to be gentleman's rules. | ||
| Do you remember when that happened with Tim Sylvia and Ray Mercer? | ||
| No. | ||
| Tim Sylvia fought Ray Mercer, and they had originally been scheduled to fight a boxing match. | ||
| Gentlemen's rules. | ||
| But the commission said they wouldn't sanction the fight because Tim Sylvia doesn't have any pro boxing experience. | ||
| Ray Mercer, Olympic gold medalist, former world champion. | ||
| And they decided to have an MMA fight, but they had a gentleman's agreement to not throw kicks. | ||
| Tim opens up with an inside leg kick. | ||
| Of course you did. | ||
| You ever see the fight? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
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| Watch this. | ||
| I just forgot about the kick. | ||
| It starts off, and Tim Sylvia immediately... | ||
| Oh, this is... | ||
| Go before this. | ||
| Go before this, because that's the KO. If you go before this, they open up, and Tim kicks him right away. | ||
| And look, see Ray puts his hands down. | ||
| Like, you motherfucker. | ||
| I can't believe this shit. | ||
| Oh, that's why he gave a look. | ||
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And then boom! | |
| And then he hits him when he's down. | ||
| He just KO's him. | ||
| Let me see that one more time. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, come on, son. | ||
| And that's like a 50-year-old Ray Mercer at the time. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| That's why he gave that look. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He couldn't believe it. | ||
| He's like, I thought we weren't kicking, man. | ||
| So they made a gentleman's agreement. | ||
| And Tim Sylvia's like, yeah, whatever, dude. | ||
| But he paid for that. | ||
| I mean, he got starched. | ||
| It's also the difference in skill level. | ||
| You see a guy like Ray Mercer who's seen all these patterns, and a guy like Tim Sylvia who's just so used to MMA fighter striking. | ||
| It's a different speed also. | ||
| It is. | ||
| How much does it help fighters to cross-train in these different disciplines and how difficult is it to take those skills and then to put them into their overall MMA game? | ||
| I think it's beneficial if you do it to a certain degree because if you go too much, let's say you're always sparring with pro boxers, there's a distance that's not realistic. | ||
| Because in MMA, you're further away from each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when I get to that distance, the guy's going to grab me. | ||
| However, because there's more punches per second, it's more of an intensive training. | ||
| So if you can deal with that speed of training, then later when I put you in MMA zone, it's slower a little bit. | ||
| So there's that element. | ||
| There's a balancing act. | ||
| There's boxing with pro boxers, but then there's doing it too much. | ||
| Then when you're sparring with MMA fighter, it's harder to hit the MMA fighter than it is for me to hit the boxer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because we're in a different pattern. | ||
| We're a different world. | ||
| I want to do just a bit of that. | ||
| Not too much. | ||
| Are there any patterns that people pick up in boxing that become a real problem when you add in elbows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, when you duck down, some guys just start, okay, you throw right hand, I'm going to duck down. | ||
| Dude, you do that once with me, I'm throwing a left kick right after my hand. | ||
| I'm throwing a shallow right hand, and the left kick's coming upstairs. | ||
| And when you slip, you're slipping right into the kick. | ||
| John Jones, Daniel Cormier. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, that was a pattern that John had seen, and they even talked about it beforehand, where Daniel said, don't think you're going to hit me with that left high kick. | ||
| Which is kind of crazy when you see how it went down. | ||
| That's a weird thing when people just develop a sort of pattern that they just keep repeating over and over again. | ||
| And then it's instinctual. | ||
| You want to take it out now. | ||
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| Good luck taking it out. | ||
| That's one of the things that when you see people learning technique, one of the more difficult things is to relearn something. | ||
| Once you learn it one way, like with kicking in particular, when they get tired or when they get nervous, they revert back to their old way of kicking and you see it. | ||
| Especially if they learn it young. | ||
| It's hardwired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How do you get a guy out of that? | ||
| I haven't been very successful. | ||
| Like, for instance, if I take a guy who's been kicking taekwondo his entire life, and then I try to teach him a Thai kick, it's not that easy. | ||
| It's really difficult. | ||
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| Really? | ||
| That's why I believe when you're young, you have to have a diversity. | ||
| You have to learn how to kick like a Thai, like a taekwondo guy, like a karate guy, like a kickboxer, the variety. | ||
| And then you can go out there and you can morph your style. | ||
| You can exchange from one style of kicking to another. | ||
| However, if you've done 10 years of one way, And you are hardwired that way, it's very difficult, almost not worth it to redo it. | ||
| Just let him kick the way he kicks. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's not worth it. | ||
| Not worth it? | ||
| No, because you're going to train him for so many hours, then he's going to go in there, he's going to revert back. | ||
| Like you said, when he's under the pressure and the stress, he's going to revert back to what he normally does. | ||
| When he's a little bit tired, because it's more efficient for him. | ||
| So you're asking him now to do something new. | ||
| Is there any way to rewire a person's brain? | ||
| Not that I know of. | ||
| Of course you can change someone's behavior, absolutely. | ||
| But if it's hardwired from a young age, we're talking about it's a long-term project. | ||
| Do you have the amount of time? | ||
| You could do it, but it's a lot of time and energy. | ||
| And it's painful. | ||
| It's painful to undo an old way. | ||
| It's a lot of energy. | ||
| The guy will feel tired, the guy will feel sluggish, the guy will feel uncomfortable because he's doing something inefficient. | ||
| You see those patterns, though, where you watch a guy fight and you go, man, why does he always do that? | ||
| He's always throwing these wide, looping punches. | ||
| Like, why can't he throw efficient, smooth, technical punches? | ||
| He might have learned. | ||
| I've had that problem. | ||
| They learned it wrong early on in their career. | ||
| Then when they get to you, they're good enough to get to you. | ||
| They're good enough to, you know, come near the UFC. Now they want that extra level. | ||
| And you're working with this new athlete who has so many inefficiencies. | ||
| You gotta remove them one by one, gently. | ||
| If you try to rehaul him, you just confuse him. | ||
| He just doesn't know what to do anymore. | ||
| What do you want me to do, coach? | ||
| Like, I'm totally lost. | ||
| It's like a scientific experiment, right? | ||
| You isolate one variable. | ||
| If you change too many things, we don't know what caused what anymore. | ||
| And you're in a chaotic now. | ||
| Now you're in a world of chaos. | ||
| He doesn't know what works anymore. | ||
| You don't know what's wrong anymore. | ||
| One thing at a time. | ||
| We don't want to flood you. | ||
| And we don't want to bottleneck you. | ||
| Well, we're taking you from one place to another, one step at a time, gently. | ||
| And you have to ask yourself, what's the one thing I can help this guy with? | ||
| The one thing. | ||
| They'll change the rest of the system. | ||
| This is the most important thing. | ||
| And let's do that one thing at a time. | ||
| So when you see a guy and say like he's got a Kyokushin background or something like that and you see he throws kicks but he keeps landing with the instep, you just let him keep doing it like that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It depends how many years he has and how much time we have before the next fight. | ||
| Because I believe it can work. | ||
| It works. | ||
| The reason why karate is still here is because it worked. | ||
| Guys won. | ||
| It exists. | ||
| Karate is not a bad spot. | ||
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It works. | |
| If you can make it work. | ||
| I might teach a karate guy some boxing and then his karate will shine even more because he can box. | ||
| Yeah, that does seem to be the problem. | ||
| Taekwondo guys in particular, they don't punch to the face. | ||
| So when they get into sparring situations and they're first learning how to do it. | ||
| We saw that with Raymond Daniels early in his career as well. | ||
| Just have the hardest time with the hands. | ||
| So do you take a guy like that and just have him only box? | ||
| I would make him box a lot and that'll open up his kicks even more. | ||
| Definitely, no doubt about it. | ||
| Especially with his reach and his distance, his footwork that he has, he could do a lot more, I think. | ||
| Do you write all this stuff down, like your thoughts on these things? | ||
| I know you do your YouTube series, but have you ever considered putting out a book on your ideas about MMA? I'm writing a book, but it's more of a philosophy book. | ||
| I have a background in philosophy. | ||
| I have a degree in philosophy. | ||
| So I spend a lot of time just contemplating things. | ||
| So I do a lot of fight philosophy stuff. | ||
| I write it down. | ||
| Publish a book. | ||
| Not really interested in that, to be honest with you. | ||
| I'm more interested in going into philosophy, writing about philosophy. | ||
| Not so much MMA. Like philosophy? | ||
| More about truth, reality, paradigms, you know, how we see the world. | ||
| You know, what is truth? | ||
| What is reality? | ||
| Those kind of things. | ||
| I know it sounds weird that it's coming from an MMA coach, but I do a lot of philosophy in my own personal life. | ||
| I don't think it's weird at all. | ||
| I mean, I think that what you do is essentially you're taking fighters and preparing them for one of the most difficult challenges in all professional sports. | ||
| I don't think there's a more difficult challenge outside of war. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Or being a firefighter or a police officer where you're actually putting your life in danger. | ||
| I think combat sports are just... | ||
| It's extremely difficult to do. | ||
| And to be able to do what you've done with George and what George has done as well. | ||
| I mean, what you guys have done together. | ||
| It's just an incredible accomplishment. | ||
| And especially him coming back after four years off and looking better than he ever looked in the past. | ||
| That was what was crazy. | ||
| When he came back and... | ||
| The fluidity of his combinations, the way he looked, and the way he sunk that rear naked choke, that was a rare rear naked choke in MMA, where the blade of the hand was on the back of the neck and it was just fully sunk in. | ||
| You know how you see guys get the choke, but you're seeing that old school Ken Shamrock style back of the... | ||
| I'll never tap to this. | ||
| I'll never tap to this. | ||
| You put me on. | ||
| If the hand's not behind... | ||
| You'd rather get put out? | ||
| It's funny, I was rolling with one of my students yesterday. | ||
| And I let him take my back. | ||
| I was just kind of toying with him. | ||
| And I let him take my back. | ||
| And he was stronger than I thought he was. | ||
| I haven't wrestled with him in 10 years. | ||
| I just put out a YouTube video of me and him. | ||
| If you guys want to put it up, it would be funny. | ||
| But we were rolling off camera. | ||
| And I kind of let him take my back. | ||
| I never give out my back. | ||
| But sometimes he's purple belt. | ||
| So I was just kind of toying with him a little. | ||
| And he put a choke in. | ||
| And I was like, okay, let's see if he can finish. | ||
| I didn't think he could finish it. | ||
| But then all of a sudden, it got in deeper. | ||
| And he didn't have the hand behind my head. | ||
| So I was like, I'm not going to tap. | ||
| No way I would tap to this. | ||
| Impossible. | ||
| First of all, he should know better. | ||
| If I let him tap me with this, he's going to think he did it right. | ||
| So I was like, no. | ||
| But I was like, and then when he took a breather, I just took his hand out. | ||
| Because I could reach your hand, right? | ||
| If it's not tucked away behind, I got out. | ||
| I'll never tap to this, man. | ||
| Never. | ||
| So he's doing this? | ||
| Yeah, his hand is like here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It has to be here. | ||
| MMA gloves or... | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Floor rolling. | ||
| Yeah, he's a good purple belt. | ||
| He's a tough guy. | ||
| Very good shape. | ||
| Strong. | ||
| And the choke's not in this. | ||
| That was off camera. | ||
| But, I mean, I would never tap to this. | ||
| Like, even in practice. | ||
| Because it's not on. | ||
| The choke is not on. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, there's definitely a difference. | ||
| But some guys have gotten it, even in the UFC, with just a gable grip. | ||
| The guy who's being choked? | ||
| Oh, with the gable grip works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I can't grab your hand. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| Like, if your hand is here and I can grab it, why would I choke? | ||
| Why would I tap? | ||
| I can hold your hand. | ||
| I can grab onto it. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, it's funny that in the early days that was how everyone did a rear naked choke. | ||
| But it was more panic. | ||
| It's more panic. | ||
| Okay, oxygen is lower. | ||
| And you're tapping, but you're not going to go out. | ||
| People just didn't know any better. | ||
| They thought that that was okay to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They thought that that palm in the back of the head was okay to do. | ||
| I don't know who figured out to do this. | ||
| No, the palm behind the head is okay. | ||
| I'm not against that. | ||
| It's when the hand is here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It has to be unreachable. | ||
| If I can reach it, I'm not tapping. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm not tapping. | ||
| Forget that. | ||
| Why would it happen? | ||
| It's an experience if you tap. | ||
| It's like you panicked a bit. | ||
| What's your feeling though on tapping because here's the thing about tapping like this I've had some injuries where like fuck I should have just tapped and I got out of it and I kept rolling with it and then my elbows fucked and I can't do chin-ups for a couple months. | ||
| I tap quick. | ||
| I don't tap to strangleholds easily. | ||
| Except for guillotings, I feel like it could torque my neck. | ||
| But a rear naked, there's no joint issue. | ||
| So I won't tap. | ||
| I'm as stubborn as the next guy. | ||
| My joints, I tap right away. | ||
| I don't put any miles on my joints. | ||
| I want to be as good as I can be, as healthy as I can be. | ||
| Because I want to roll till I'm, you know, like the week before I die, I want to be rolling the week before. | ||
| Well, that's the ultimate goal that very few people ever achieve. | ||
| I know so many jujitsu guys that are so busted up. | ||
| Like Eddie Bravo has an artificial disc in his lower back. | ||
| Both of his shoulders are completely fucked and he's trying to avoid surgery in his shoulders. | ||
| And his knee too, right? | ||
| Because I was just with him in Vegas. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| His ACL, he had a tear in his ACL and then he just got his knee operated on. | ||
| He had a bucket handle tear so he got his meniscus repaired. | ||
| But his ACL was at least partially torn and he's letting it heal, but I'm very skeptical about people that just let partial tears and ACLs heal. | ||
| Because I feel like, yeah, you let it heal, but it healed with like 60% of its original strength. | ||
| Like, you might have let it heal, but how much did you actually do? | ||
| There's a weakness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what they're doing now, which is really fascinating. | ||
| Dr. Roddy McGee out of Las Vegas, who... | ||
| Does a lot of work with UFC fighters. | ||
| He's showing me that they're taking torn ACLs, completely torn, and instead of replacing it now with a cadaver graft or a patella tendon graft, they actually take that ligament and can reattach it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And in three months they had someone competing in the Olympics. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Dr. Roddy McGee. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, cutting edge sheds. | ||
| In America, here in the US. Yep, latest and greatest. | ||
| And they're doing, it's a crazy operation. | ||
| They're taking this broken ligament, and they obviously have to do it quick before it pulls back and disintegrates. | ||
| But when it gets to, they get the tear in it, they reattach it, and they sew the shit out of this thing. | ||
| They've got like stitches in it, and it's all weirdly bound up, and then it reattaches. | ||
| It reattaches and actually grows. | ||
| Impressive. | ||
| Your original ligament as well. | ||
| It's not something that your body can reject or something that you don't have to compromise your patella tendon. | ||
| I don't know how George had his done. | ||
| Did he do the patella tendon graft? | ||
| I feel like he did with at least one of them. | ||
| Did he do hamstring? | ||
| Did he do hamstring? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| He didn't take cadaver. | ||
| He took his own. | ||
| Did he do it both times the same way? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| Think so? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I remember correctly. | ||
| Matt Brown just did hamstring. | ||
| He just had his done, and they did a hamstring, and he said he feels pretty good already. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a scary injury. | ||
| Oh, I've had both done. | ||
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| Yeah, I've had one with a patella tendon graft and one with a cadaver. | ||
| The cadaver was much easier for me. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It took... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, the thing about it taking or not taking, what happens with a cadaver is people think that your body takes it like an artificial heart. | ||
| No, or like a transplanted heart. | ||
| It actually uses it as a scaffolding to re-proliferate with your own cells. | ||
| And I think part of the problem is it gives you the feeling that it's stronger than it is early on. | ||
| You're like, yeah, I'm ready to go. | ||
| I'm ready to go. | ||
| And you start, I mean, everybody wants to start rolling again. | ||
| Everybody wants to start training again. | ||
| And so I think some guys just get in there a little bit too early and they do something and it pops and they go, oh, it didn't take. | ||
| Well, is that really the case, or did you just put too much stress on it too early on? | ||
| I thought the fear was it can reject, your body can reject it. | ||
| I've heard of that, but I think that's extremely rare. | ||
| I think what's more common is that they say it doesn't take, like that it didn't. | ||
| But I think... | ||
| When I hear it from MMA guys, it's like, I know you're a meathead. | ||
| I know you guys are savages. | ||
| You get in there and you're training hard way earlier than you should be, and then it fucks up again. | ||
| I mean, there's a bunch of guys that have gotten ACL surgery and then in the recovery process blew it out again. | ||
| It happens really common. | ||
| And then they're back to square one again. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's all narratives. | ||
| I mean, to explain something, it's really just narratives. | ||
| Our explanations are 99% of the time just narratives. | ||
| And to weed out narratives and not use them is very difficult. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| I mean, there's a difference between logical arguments, empirical observations, and then there are narratives. | ||
| We tell ourselves why things are happening around us all the time, and 99% of the time it's wrong, but we believe it. | ||
| We tell ourselves that, and to try to work around that is actually quite difficult. | ||
| So like, for instance, when the field of philosophy, if you give an argument... | ||
| If you give a deductive argument, your argument has to conclude. | ||
| The conclusion has to have no other possibility. | ||
| There can be no other possibility. | ||
| All your premises have to be valid and sound, and there can be no other possibility. | ||
| When I say, hey, my ligament didn't take, that's an explanation. | ||
| It's one of many possible narratives. | ||
| It's one of many, many possible explanations I couldn't give why my knee is injured now. | ||
| Including that you didn't let it rest enough. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Let's say I'm walking and I trip over my shoelaces. | ||
| I tripped over my shoelaces. | ||
| That's why I fell. | ||
| Well, if your shoelaces were tied, maybe you tripped anyway. | ||
| Maybe it was something else. | ||
| You haven't eliminated every other possibility. | ||
| If you haven't eliminated every other possibility, it's just a narrative. | ||
| It's not actual fact. | ||
| The Tony Ferguson injury was the most fucked up one I've ever heard ever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The week of the fight, doing press, trips on some cables, and rips his knee apart. | ||
| For sure he had an injury before he's not aware of. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| There had to be a small rip, a small tear, a small weakness somewhere. | ||
| He could withstand tripping on a cable. | ||
| But it was hanging by a thread. | ||
| Is that the case? | ||
| Or did it... | ||
| Did he just fall at a really fucked up angle? | ||
| I didn't see the fall. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I assume he's such an athletic guy. | ||
| He can catch himself falling in a way that is athletic. | ||
| Maybe when you're sparring, you hurt yourself. | ||
| You don't feel it. | ||
| So much is going on. | ||
| Maybe he hurt himself when he cooled down. | ||
| He didn't feel it. | ||
| There's not many pain sensors there or whatnot. | ||
| Again, this is just a narrative. | ||
| Then he goes in there. | ||
| It's hanging by a thread. | ||
| He tugs it. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| The whole thing breaks apart. | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's such a violent injury if you see how bad it was. | ||
| Did you see the surgery photos? | ||
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| I saw actually a little bit. | ||
| Craziest photos I've ever seen. | ||
| I mean, it's a fucking enormous scar. | ||
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Wow. | |
| To have that kind of a scar in 2018 with the surgery techniques they have today, it's very rare that you see someone who's just, I mean, you're looking at like a 12-inch scar. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That I didn't see. | ||
| I just saw him. | ||
| He posted a, oh my god. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| I mean, that is a giant scar. | ||
| It goes well below his knee to above the knee. | ||
| And they opened him up and... | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Is this pre-surgery? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Oh, it's just a different angle. | ||
| Was it ACL? What was it? | ||
| No. | ||
| His MCL... Or is it PCL? Which one is it on the outside? | ||
| Outside is MCL. So his MCL was ripped completely off the bone. | ||
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| Yeah, man. | ||
| Go to his Twitter, his Instagram page now. | ||
| Does he have any updates? | ||
| Because a guy like that, you gotta wonder, like, when is he going to be... | ||
| That's the photo I saw. | ||
| The one with the suction cups. | ||
| The cupping. | ||
| Is that... | ||
| Okay, let me ask you this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I was just having a conversation with someone. | ||
| Who was it that just said cupping was bullshit? | ||
| Who was that? | ||
| Was it? | ||
| I was having a conversation with someone there saying cupping is essentially almost total nonsense, but so many people do it and it just puts your mind that you're doing something and healing and doing something, you know, in addition to standard procedures that's helping you out but really ain't doing shit. | ||
| I would say that's probably more psychological. | ||
| But everybody does it. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun. | ||
| It's psychological. | ||
| You feel like you're taking care of yourself and it makes you feel good. | ||
| It's psychosomatic. | ||
| It's fucking weird. | ||
| Go back up. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Go back up to that image, Jamie. | ||
| I mean, look at that. | ||
| That is fucking crazy looking. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but, you know, psychosomatic medicine can help you. | ||
| But here it says, insurance covers acupuncture treatment because it's effective. | ||
| I was skeptical the first time I tried it. | ||
| But yeah, see, I don't know. | ||
| You are a complete moron then. | ||
| Even insurance covers acupuncture. | ||
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| Does acupuncture work? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Never tested it. | ||
| Never fucked with it? | ||
| I've had it done to me. | ||
| I didn't particularly enjoy it. | ||
| Yeah, I only had it done once and the guy was kind of a quack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was like, alright, buddy. | ||
| Once they start talking about toxins, you know, we're cleansing you of toxins. | ||
| Again, see, that's a narrative. | ||
| It's possible, but it's not proven. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just a possible story you tell yourself. | ||
| Yeah, but that term, toxins, is so, that is like, there's certain things that people say where you know you're dealing with woo. | ||
| This is some woo-woo bullshit here. | ||
| And toxins is one of them. | ||
| Cleansing and toxins. | ||
| I'm going on a cleanse, and I'm getting the toxins out of my system. | ||
| Dude, scientists are just as guilty of woo-woo as every other guy. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Oh yeah, big time. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| Oh my god, man. | ||
| There's scientists, then there's philosophers of science. | ||
| There's so much woo-woo in science. | ||
| Even the most popular guys have woo-woo. | ||
| They just never study the philosophy of science, so they don't really understand what they're saying, per se. | ||
| Give me an example of woo-woo in science. | ||
| I'll give you a great example. | ||
| There's this guy named Isaac Newton. | ||
| I heard of that dude. | ||
| And you're asking him, hey, Isaac, why don't I fall off the face of the earth? | ||
| And he's going to be like, well, Joe... | ||
| There's this gravity, there's this force of gravity pulling you down to the earth. | ||
| The earth has a greater mass than you, therefore there's this force pulling you down. | ||
| We call it gravity. | ||
| And then some guy comes around, his name is Zahabi, and he tells you, no, Joe, don't listen to that guy. | ||
| I have another theory, way more, it's truer than his. | ||
| I believe there are gremlins pulling you down to the earth. | ||
| They have lassos, these infinite long lassos, and every time you're falling off the earth, they pull you. | ||
| Every time you jump up and down on the earth, they pull you back down to the earth. | ||
| You don't see these gremlins, they're invisible, but that's what's pulling you down to the earth. | ||
| Now, how do you know who's right and who's wrong? | ||
| Who's telling you the truth, me or Isaac? | ||
| Isaac lived a long time ago before they actually had provable studies that could show you why gravity works. | ||
| Name me one of those studies. | ||
| Well, I'm not a scientist. | ||
| Well, let me break it to you this way. | ||
| No scientist has a study to prove us that gravity works. | ||
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Really? | |
| That's the whole thing. | ||
| That's what's scary about how we talk about the universe. | ||
| But they understand that gravity is in relation to the size and mass of objects. | ||
| So the moon is smaller, therefore it has one-sixth Earth's gravity because it's one-quarter the size of the Earth. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| There's a correlation. | ||
| Now, my theory of gremlins, which obviously I don't believe in, right? | ||
| I'm using mythological language to make it really simple. | ||
| Don't somebody misquote me that I believe in gremlins. | ||
| He doesn't believe in gravity. | ||
| He's a gravity denier. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, there's less mass, there's less atoms, the moon has less atoms, therefore less gremlins, less of them pulling you. | ||
| My gremlin theory correlates with the gravity theory exactly. | ||
| But I'm using a mythical language just to point out that every type of force we're talking about is an inference. | ||
| It's something we project out there. | ||
| We don't actually see gravity. | ||
| And you know, later on, Einstein debunked gravity, right? | ||
| Well, what do you mean by he debunked gravity? | ||
| Isaac was totally wrong. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| Isaac's explanation of why you don't fall off the earth was totally wrong. | ||
| Well, what did Einstein do to debunk it? | ||
| Einstein taught us that a new theory, a new hypothesis, that gravity is a pushing force, not a pulling force. | ||
| See, Isaac Newton, he debunked Aristotle. | ||
| First we used to believe what Aristotle used to say. | ||
| Aristotle used to say, look, this thing has a natural place. | ||
| It has to be stuck to the earth. | ||
| That's its natural place. | ||
| The force is within that one thing. | ||
| That's why it doesn't fall off the earth. | ||
| So when Aristotle saw a bird fly, he said, look, it has levity. | ||
| Its natural state is to be in the air. | ||
| The force that carries it up in the air, it's within it. | ||
| It's within the bird itself. | ||
| Isaac Newton came around and said, no, that's totally wrong. | ||
| No entity can move itself. | ||
| It's only a force that's applied. | ||
| So let's say you're walking. | ||
| Isaac Newton would say, you're not pushing yourself forward. | ||
| You're pushing the ground beneath you backwards. | ||
| And the ground is pushing you forwards. | ||
| So every action is the opposite equal reaction. | ||
| So when I run, I'm really pushing the ground behind me. | ||
| It sounds like he's splitting hairs, but he's saying something actually very profound. | ||
| He's saying, you're pushing the earth behind you, and the earth is pushing you forward. | ||
| There's a reaction there. | ||
| So what they do to illustrate that to kids... | ||
| Is they take like a train track, they elevate it, and they turn on the train. | ||
| And then you see the train track starting to spin underneath the train. | ||
| And it's showing you, look, the train is pushing the train tracks back. | ||
| And the train tracks are pushing the train forward when they're connected to the ground. | ||
| So when I put you on a treadmill, you're pushing the treadmill behind you. | ||
| The treadmill is not pushing you forward because it's spinning along with you. | ||
| But if I put you on the ground, the ground is pushing you forward now. | ||
| So, for every action, there's an opposite equal reaction. | ||
| I'm sure you've heard this. | ||
| Then Einstein comes along and says, no, that's totally wrong when it comes to gravity, subject to gravity. | ||
| He says, because Isaac Newton says this, look, he says, look, the force of gravity is in the earth. | ||
| The earth has this invisible force, this magical woo-woo thing. | ||
| And that's what his contemporaries said about him. | ||
| That's what his peers said. | ||
| He said, oh, you're appealing to magic. | ||
| What is this gravity thing? | ||
| It's non-comporeal. | ||
| It's not material. | ||
| It's not made of a substance. | ||
| Is this magic? | ||
| And he was like, yeah, it's this force. | ||
| You can't feel it. | ||
| You can't detect it. | ||
| It's just observable in nature. | ||
| And for 300 years, everybody believed that. | ||
| And then Einstein comes along and says, no, you guys are totally wrong. | ||
| There is no mythical force called gravity. | ||
| It's a pushing force. | ||
| So really what he says is... | ||
| Oops, sorry. | ||
| Let me get a sheet of paper here. | ||
| Make it really, really simple. | ||
| And I'm going to put it in a nutshell here, okay? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He says, look, Einstein says, look, space and time are one. | ||
| Space is actually a thing out there. | ||
| The space between me and you is an actual physical thing. | ||
| He says, the sun is so heavy that it dents it. | ||
| It makes like a toilet bowl. | ||
| And the earth is bumping around in that toilet bowl because space is actually curved. | ||
| It's curved like this. | ||
| Space is curved because the sun, imagine I put a bowling ball on your bed. | ||
| Your bed's going to indent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That toilet bowl shape, the earth is flooring around that toilet bowl shape. | ||
| So it's a pushing force, no longer a pulling force. | ||
| So the weight of the earth is pushing down on space. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's bending space, literally. | ||
| It's masses bending space. | ||
| Now Isaac Newton thought light travels in a straight line only. | ||
| And to prove this, Einstein said, look, light will bend. | ||
| If I'm right, light will bend. | ||
| So they observed the sun during an eclipse and they saw that the light bends. | ||
| Light does not travel in a straight line. | ||
| This is another belief that was debunked. | ||
| I mean, how many scientific beliefs are debunked? | ||
| Countless. | ||
| Or overturned. | ||
| Because a scientific fact is not a mathematical fact. | ||
| They're two different things. | ||
| A scientific fact can never go higher than hypothesis. | ||
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| If somebody understands the philosophy of science, he understands that every single scientific fact is not equivalent to a mathematical fact. | ||
| One plus one equals two. | ||
| A scientific fact is always subject to cross-examination and new evidence. | ||
| Have you ever heard of Thomas Kuhn? | ||
| He's very famous for that, right? | ||
| We have a paradigm. | ||
| So during Aristotle's time, he had a paradigm. | ||
| He thought the sun goes around the earth. | ||
| It was an observational, scientific fact. | ||
| Every day he saw the sun go around the earth, literally. | ||
| He said, look guys, I'm using my senses to observe the sun go around the earth. | ||
| And then one day we find out, no, that's an optical illusion. | ||
| It's not true that the sun goes around the earth. | ||
| It's the earth goes around the sun. | ||
| Scientific revolution. | ||
| Every scientific fact we have, or theory, Including gravity, because gravity became the law of gravity. | ||
| It was no longer the theory of gravity. | ||
| It was so accepted, it became the law of gravity. | ||
| Today, we don't understand gravity as Einstein understood it. | ||
| Excuse me, as Isaac Newton understood it. | ||
| We understand it completely backwards, literally backwards now. | ||
| And that's true with every scientific theory, because science is always subject to new evidence coming to light. | ||
| Right, but the difference between Isaac Newton living whenever the fuck he lived a long-ass time ago. | ||
| 300 years ago. | ||
| Versus the science that we're dealing with today. | ||
| It's the same. | ||
| But what woo-woo do you see in the science of today? | ||
| The biggest culprit? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Randomness. | ||
| See, it's funny because I heard you in this conversation with Sam Harris on randomness, which I loved, by the way. | ||
| You did a great job. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I thought it was a great conversation. | ||
| However, he was giving you, in my opinion, two contradictory ideas. | ||
| He was telling you, look, the world is determined. | ||
| But also there'll be random events. | ||
| Well, he was actually talking about determinism versus free will. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the idea being that you don't necessarily have free will, that everything about your decisions and what you're going to do is based on your life experiences, your genetics, all these variables that are essentially out of your control. | ||
| So this idea of free will is an illusion, which is a really complex concept. | ||
| Conversation. | ||
| And I think you can see it in both ways. | ||
| I think you do have a certain amount of control of your decisions. | ||
| And I think you are also shaped very much so by your past and your genetics and your interpretation of those. | ||
| Events. | ||
| What are those interpretations of those events, though? | ||
| And why do you make those determinations? | ||
| Who's in your head pulling the gears? | ||
| What are you? | ||
| I'm a hard determinist. | ||
| I'm a very hard determinist. | ||
| I'm a determinist extremist. | ||
| But do you believe in free will? | ||
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I also believe in free will, which is tricky. | |
| But I think that's... | ||
| It's true. | ||
| I think they're both true. | ||
| There is something that allows people to... | ||
| What takes a guy who's 500 pounds and all of a sudden he goes on a keto diet? | ||
| And starts running and starts walking and then he sends you a picture on Twitter. | ||
| I lost 179 pounds in six months. | ||
| You're like, holy shit! | ||
| How the fuck did you do that? | ||
| Like, that guy has some fucking will, man. | ||
| To say that that's his whole life and his life experiences and his genetics, it's like, yes, I could see what you're saying. | ||
| I could see that he had enough because of his life experiences and that it led to him making this change. | ||
| But there's a tremendous amount of will involved in that. | ||
| And to deny that seems like you're denying the spirit of human beings. | ||
| Well, let's look at it this way. | ||
| Okay, real quick. | ||
| Let's look at it. | ||
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Okay, let's say I crumple up this piece of paper. | |
| And I'm going to catapult it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it landed there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now I'm going to reset the entire universe. | ||
| I'm going to reset every molecule of air, every fiber in this paper. | ||
| You're going to be in the exact same spot. | ||
| The whole universe has been reset. | ||
| And I fired it again. | ||
| Is it going to land exactly where it landed the first time? | ||
| Or is it going to land somewhere else? | ||
| I've reset the universe. | ||
| The Earth, every molecule of matter, every particle of matter in the universe has been reset. | ||
| With the same amount of force. | ||
| Everything is identical. | ||
| I would assume if the same amount of space and the same amount of air, you would land the same spot. | ||
| Infinitely precisely? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, I've reset everything perfectly. | ||
| If infinitely precisely you throw it the exact same way and it lands in the exact same dirt with the exact same resistance. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| I would assume it's infinitely precisely going to land the same spot. | ||
| If randomness is a force at work in nature, why didn't it Factor itself into our little experiment here because your little experiments impossible, but that's irrelevant. | ||
| It's a thought experiment, but it's not a thought experiment because you're recreating the whole universe, but it's not logically impossible, right? | ||
| Well in that case though with the variables that you presented, yes Okay. | ||
| But where's randomness? | ||
| Where's this force? | ||
| There's no randomness if you're recreating the entire Earth in a very duplicatable way. | ||
| That's not randomness at all. | ||
| What is randomness? | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| There is no randomness. | ||
| Randomness is when a human being can no longer compute all the factors. | ||
| And we use an expression called randomness, meaning, okay, I rolled this dice, it landed on seven randomly. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I couldn't compute all the variables. | ||
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Okay, I see what you're saying. | |
| So randomness is kind of a, it's an illusion that we project onto the world. | ||
| So Laplace, one of the greatest physicists in history, Simon Laplace, he says, look, look at a billiard ball table. | ||
| If you tell me which way you're going to break the billiard balls, if you tell me what velocity and what angle you're going to hit the cue ball, I could tell you where every single ball is going to be on the pool table. | ||
| That's what Laplace says. | ||
| He's a phenomenal thinker. | ||
| And he says, why? | ||
| Because I'm going to take that table, I'm going to turn it into a math. | ||
| I'm going to take the weight of the ball, the friction of the table, the density of the bands, the gravity of the earth. | ||
| I'm going to take all those variables. | ||
| I'm going to put them up on this board here. | ||
| All I need to know is how hard you're going to hit the ball. | ||
| And I'll tell you precisely where every ball is going to land. | ||
| Now somebody who doesn't know mathematics or geometry is going to look at that table when he sees the break. | ||
| To him it's going to seem random. | ||
| But randomness is really a reflection of his ignorance. | ||
| He's not able to compute all this information. | ||
| That's why Laplace says, to God the world is not random. | ||
| To somebody who has information, the world is not random. | ||
| That's why he says, it's very important, that's why we're so determinist, because we believe that what's happening right now is a byproduct of the past. | ||
| The past caused this happening right now. | ||
| The past was out of your control. | ||
| If I reset the universe and let it play all over again, identical circumstance, You would drink that exact same amount of coffee you had today. | ||
| You would have married the same woman. | ||
| You would have had the same kids. | ||
| You would have had the same t-shirt on right now. | ||
| You would have the mic at the same distance. | ||
| Everything would be reset. | ||
| So when we look at the world through the eyes of physics, they say the causal line is complete. | ||
| The causal line is complete, meaning where is this space for randomness or free will? | ||
| We don't factor it in. | ||
| The only time we do factor it in is when we look at ourselves inwardly. | ||
| But when we look at the world objectively as a third person. | ||
| So there's two views. | ||
| There's the internal view, first person experience. | ||
| We don't believe in determinism. | ||
| We have free will. | ||
| That's first person experience. | ||
| Third person experience, I'm studying Joe. | ||
| All I see in Joe is billiard balls. | ||
| So when you have a thought, it's all billiard balls hitting one another. | ||
| And if I had an infinitely precise calculator, according to Laplace, I could tell you where you're going to be five years from now, what you're going to be doing. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I'm seeing one billiard ball hit another. | ||
| It's just take that pool table experiment and make it the greatest pool game in history. | ||
| There are countless atoms. | ||
| There are countless billiard balls striking into one another. | ||
| Somebody can calculate the world of physics. | ||
| And tell you where your hand's going to be. | ||
| Laplace says, I'm going to tell you where your hand's going to be in five years from now. | ||
| But you don't know my personal choices I'm going to make. | ||
| That's irrelevant. | ||
| He'll tell you that's irrelevant. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he sees the billiard balls moving inside your mind, so to speak. | ||
| Now, Leibniz reconciled the two. | ||
| See, for instance, when I'm living in the first person, this is my intuition. | ||
| I'm like, hey, I grabbed that cup of coffee. | ||
| I had this internal experience that's outside of physics. | ||
| So, Leibniz gives a great example. | ||
| He says, look, If I was really, really tiny and I'd walk around your mind, I would see blood flow. | ||
| I would see neurons firing. | ||
| I would see all sorts of biological interactions. | ||
| But I wouldn't see anything of consciousness. | ||
| I wouldn't see your thoughts. | ||
| I wouldn't see you thinking about your wife, hearing your child's voice, thinking about what you want to have for dinner. | ||
| I wouldn't see any of that. | ||
| I would just see billiard balls hitting one another. | ||
| However, Now that I'm having this first-person experience, there's something we call intuition, this first-person experience itself, you're having this spiritual type of transcendent experience. | ||
| What it's like to have a thought, what it's like to be me. | ||
| So for instance, I see that cup of coffee, I desire the cup of coffee and I drink it. | ||
| Science has no information about my conscious experience, my intuitive experience. | ||
| Science is not absolute. | ||
| It cannot tell me everything about the universe. | ||
| It can only tell me about the billiard balls. | ||
| It can only go so far. | ||
| At that point it has to stop. | ||
| Because it doesn't have... | ||
| Our senses cannot sense the conscious experience that we're having. | ||
| The conscious experience is only known intuitively. | ||
| So first-person experience. | ||
| So Leibniz says this, he says, look, you look at the world, when we study the world, we're all seeing billiard balls hitting one another. | ||
| Nobody argues about that. | ||
| However, our intuition is telling us that's all untrue. | ||
| We have the ability to move our own hand, desire something, grab something, eat something, consume something, make a choice. | ||
| And he says, how could they coexist? | ||
| Because remember, in reason, for me to accept something as logically true, I have to eliminate every other possibility. | ||
| So he found one possibility. | ||
| One possibility that, till today, has never been refuted. | ||
| He calls it the twin trains. | ||
| So picture two trains, okay? | ||
| They're going up and down, side by side, traveling at the same speed. | ||
| They look like they're connected to one another, but they're not. | ||
| They're just synchronized. | ||
| Every time one goes left, the other one goes left. | ||
| One goes up, one goes down. | ||
| And so when Leibniz tells you, he says, look, when you reach for that cup of coffee, the universe had already decided millions and billions of years ago that that was going to happen. | ||
| Your intuitive sense just coincides with it perfectly. | ||
| And he says, that's what he calls the twin trains theory, the correlation theory. | ||
| That your desire to grab that cup of coffee... | ||
| Doesn't affect your hand. | ||
| Does not move your hand. | ||
| That would be impossible. | ||
| That would be something non-physical moving something physical. | ||
| So he says that they're just correlated perfectly. | ||
| When you ask them, how do they correlate so perfectly? | ||
| He says, well, God, it's like God took the greatest pool shot in history. | ||
| This is Leibniz. | ||
| He's the guy who invented calculus, the binary code. | ||
| All our computers today work because of Leibniz. | ||
| That, to me, is a hard sell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Most people can't wrap their mind around it. | ||
| Yeah, it's a hard sell. | ||
| First of all, a woman created the first computer code. | ||
| He invented the binary code. | ||
| Binary code. | ||
| Binary code, not computer code, but it's based on binary. | ||
| Now, when he's saying this, that your desire coincides with the universe having this, that seems like a lot of woo. | ||
| That seems like quite a bit of a stretch. | ||
| That's the interesting part. | ||
| Tell me why. | ||
| Well, why would the universe have a plan for you and your movement? | ||
| Well, he's saying God. | ||
| He's saying God, directly. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Prove that. | ||
| Okay, that's a great argument. | ||
| That's a great objection. | ||
| Why would you say that it would be God? | ||
| This argument wasn't to prove God. | ||
| This argument was to tell you That this is a possibility. | ||
| While you have free will is true, and so is determinism. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because can you deny free will? | ||
| Aren't you having a direct experience of free will? | ||
| Well, the only denial of free will would be determinism. | ||
| The only denial would be that your idea of free will is an illusion. | ||
| You are really shaped by the momentum of your past, your genetics. | ||
| Life experiences, all the variables and the way you've absorbed emotions and interactions with people and that these are flavored. | ||
| Your very being to the point when, when presented with an obstacle or an opportunity or a thing, there is a predetermined solution in your mind for whatever the situation is. | ||
| That's determinism. | ||
| I should say action rather than solution. | ||
| Let's take a step back and look at what Leibniz is trying to say. | ||
| He's trying to say, look, there's three ways of knowing something. | ||
| This is a brilliant human being. | ||
| Many men have said the same thing throughout history. | ||
| Let's just at least entertain him. | ||
| He says, look, you know something empirically through your senses. | ||
| You touch fire, it's hot. | ||
| Then you can know something deductively. | ||
| One plus one equals two. | ||
| Via logic. | ||
| Then you can know something intuitively. | ||
| Meaning direct first experience. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So let's say... | ||
| Let's say you tell me, I don't know, I've had coffee taste great. | ||
| You don't know that deductively or empirically. | ||
| The sensation of coffee tasting great is known intuitively direct, meaning there is no interpreter. | ||
| In philosophy, we have something called the egocentric predicament. | ||
| So right now, you're experiencing this entire room within your consciousness, right? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I might be outside of your ego, but I'm occurring right now in your consciousness. | ||
| Do you see the difference? | ||
| I'm perceiving you in my consciousness. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or with my consciousness, which is connected to my senses. | ||
| Is there anything you can perceive outside of your consciousness? | ||
| That's a weird way of saying something. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| But perceiving outside of my consciousness, meaning being not conscious, but yet still perceiving. | ||
| No, when you perceive something, it has to be within your consciousness. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or with your consciousness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It cannot be outside of your consciousness. | ||
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Right. | |
| So even if something touches your skin, you're consciously recognizing that it touches your skin. | ||
| The egocentric predicament is more about your whole universe is made up of your consciousness. | ||
| You cannot sense anything or experience anything or get any information outside of your consciousness. | ||
| Like Kant was very big on this. | ||
| He's like, look, this is called idealism. | ||
| The whole world is happening inside your head, right? | ||
| Supposedly. | ||
| Like, for instance, you see this cup of coffee. | ||
| They're going to say, oh, light clusters hit the cup of coffee. | ||
| It goes in your eye. | ||
| Your eye gives your brain a signal. | ||
| Your brain interprets the signal and creates this universe around you. | ||
| It creates this image. | ||
| The theater of your mind, yeah? | ||
| Can you experience anything outside the theater of your mind? | ||
| Very difficult to argue that you could. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| According to all the philosophers in history, we cannot. | ||
| This is called the egocentric predicament. | ||
| But what about subconscious? | ||
| That would be still happening inside your conscious mind. | ||
| So subconscious is still somewhat conscious in some way. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Whatever you would perceive would be happening in your conscious mind. | ||
| It would just be outside of your standard awareness. | ||
| Now, the scary thing is that we make a lot of inferences. | ||
| And that's where the woo-woo comes in. | ||
| Everything is woo-woo. | ||
| You think just everything outside of science is woo-woo? | ||
| Science is just as woo-woo as everyone else. | ||
| You keep saying that, but I don't understand why you're saying that because you haven't made a good example. | ||
| The only example that you said was that they changed the way they look at gravity when new information was presented. | ||
| That doesn't equal woo-woo. | ||
| Gravity was woo-woo. | ||
| It was a magical force. | ||
| You're talking about gravity in terms of people that didn't have phones, they didn't have cars, they didn't have paved roads. | ||
| I mean, you're dealing with a very primitive notion of what gravity was. | ||
| It was a very interesting idea that has since been proven to be true. | ||
| False. | ||
| Gravity... | ||
| Newtonian gravity? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Has been proven to be false. | ||
| But gravity is still real, right? | ||
| Not... | ||
| We're using the same word for a completely different idea. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So Newton's gravity was magical. | ||
| It was an appeal to magic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
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Here it is. | |
| Let me make it clear. | ||
| Newton's gravity is different than Einstein's gravity, and that Einstein's gravity is what's been proven, right? | ||
| We know now that light does bend around the mass of the sun, which is one of the reasons why we have a hard time seeing asteroids that are coming from behind the sun, because the mass of the sun actually bends space-time around it to the point where it distorts our view. | ||
| It's our new narrative. | ||
| It's not proven. | ||
| You can never prove a scientific fact past the level of hypothesis. | ||
| I know it sounds strange. | ||
| What do you mean past the level of hypothesis? | ||
| If you can prove it in studies and tests, you still don't buy it? | ||
| You have not eliminated every other possibility. | ||
| So it's not the same as a logical fact. | ||
| But how is that woo? | ||
| This is understood in the philosophy of science. | ||
| It's comfortably accepted. | ||
| It's not anti-science. | ||
| I'm not trying to say anything else. | ||
| No, I know you're not, but you're saying that science has so much woo, and I'm not seeing the woo part. | ||
| What I'm seeing is the necessary testing and the idea of incorporating new data and changing beliefs and ideas. | ||
| Again, it's a bit of a difficult thing to wrap your mind off in one day, but you have to think about it, and throughout time it comes clearer and clearer. | ||
| When we observe the universe, all we see is pattern and regularities found in nature. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| We don't see actual physical laws. | ||
| The physical laws are bookmarks inside our mind. | ||
| We see the same pattern over and over again, and then we attribute a physical law. | ||
| But that physical law doesn't exist out there. | ||
| So here's a great example. | ||
| Okay, let me give you a great example. | ||
| Okay, let's say I'm about to flip a coin. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Now, you're gonna tell me it's probably gonna land on heads or tails. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Do you know that logically, or is it based on your history with coins? | ||
| I know it logically and based on my history of coins. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| I'm arguing you don't know it logically. | ||
| You only know it on your past history. | ||
| Pay attention to this. | ||
| This is a little bit weird. | ||
| We've got to go slow. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| It goes against our instincts. | ||
| Erase all your history with coins. | ||
| You've never seen a coin before. | ||
| And I flip it. | ||
| And now it turns into a butterfly. | ||
| You've never seen a coin before. | ||
| It doesn't surprise you. | ||
| You're like, whoa, it turned into a butterfly. | ||
| Then I flip a coin a hundred times in front of you. | ||
| A hundred times it turns into a butterfly. | ||
| Now I'm going to flip the coin a hundred and one time. | ||
| You're going to be like, I bet you it turns into a butterfly. | ||
| That's how we express science. | ||
| We see the patterns and regularities, then we predict them. | ||
| Science, this is a good way to put it, science is the faith that the future will behave like the past. | ||
| Science is faith that the future will behave like the past. | ||
| So now you've developed a faith that this coin will flip into a butterfly and now you can predict it. | ||
| Wouldn't you say that science is the use of measurement to understand matter and things around us? | ||
| I wouldn't say that it's Using the past to predict the future. | ||
| I would say that if you know that fire melts lead at a certain temperature, and this is provable, and then you can show this over and over again. | ||
| Here's what we know about fire. | ||
| It reaches a certain temperature. | ||
| When lead reaches a certain temperature, it melts. | ||
| It changes its form. | ||
| Whereas if you want to do that same test to... | ||
| Carbon-based steel, it requires far greater temperatures, and then we know that there's variables in matter. | ||
| This is something that you can prove and show. | ||
| There's no woo to that. | ||
| Okay, water boils at how many degrees? | ||
| I think it's 250? | ||
| In Celsius, it's 100 degrees Celsius. | ||
| I don't know about Fahrenheit. | ||
| Oh, you Canadians. | ||
| With your wacky metric system. | ||
| Is that a scientific fact? | ||
| Is it a scientific fact that water boils at a certain temperature? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Actually no. | ||
| It's not? | ||
| They can boil water now. | ||
| Water can resist boiling up to 200 degrees Celsius. | ||
| If you put in a certain atmospheric pressure and suspend it in a certain liquid, if you change the circumstance... | ||
| Suspend water in liquid? | ||
| They suspend in a particular liquid that's not heated or cooled. | ||
| It doesn't affect the temperature of the water itself. | ||
| And now water can boil at 200 degrees. | ||
| Okay, so you're doing something different to water. | ||
| You're taking it outside of the normal Earth environment. | ||
| So the variables also include Earth environment. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| But water doesn't inherently boil at 100 degrees. | ||
| It's not a fact. | ||
| But we believe it to be a scientific fact. | ||
| We believe that water, if it gets 200 degrees, is boiling. | ||
| It's going to behave this way. | ||
| As a matter of fact, no. | ||
| There are many other things. | ||
| That fact has been debunked. | ||
| And there's countless amount of facts. | ||
| But wait a minute. | ||
| Is that the fact's been debunked? | ||
| Or is that when you add in sufficient external variables, then water takes longer to boil because of these variables playing into the properties that we already observed with water? | ||
| That's why whenever we have a scientific fact, there might be new information coming to change our view. | ||
| Change our view of this fact. | ||
| Right, but this is not necessarily new information. | ||
| What this is is new additional... | ||
| More precise. | ||
| More precise information. | ||
| But what you're talking about with water, you're talking about additional variables. | ||
| Like, that's just more science. | ||
| That's not woo. | ||
| Okay, well, here's some woo. | ||
| Okay, there's some woo. | ||
| Because we talked about gravity was woo. | ||
| Okay, randomness was woo. | ||
| Because we cannot find one instance of actual randomness. | ||
| The causal line is complete, as Laplace would say. | ||
| There's no randomness in the world. | ||
| So the randomness idea is just our inability to calculate unbelievably difficult variables. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it's a projection of your ignorance. | ||
| If you knew, you wouldn't be random. | ||
| So for instance, I can't remember who coined the term, but they say, the man who says the tallest mountain I've ever seen is the tallest mountain. | ||
| He's making himself the measure of truth. | ||
| I measure truth. | ||
| If you take that perspective, you're the center of truth. | ||
| I'm truth. | ||
| There's nothing outside of me that's true. | ||
| Then you see randomness everywhere. | ||
| However, if you believe in correspondence theory, that truth is independent of me and you, which I think most of us will agree, then randomness doesn't exist in that context because randomness only depends on you. | ||
| And when things are true outside of your beliefs. | ||
| Let's take another classic Wu term. | ||
| Again, this is a very advanced philosophy. | ||
| I know it sounds crazy, but this is what the greatest thinkers in history report, what they've written down. | ||
| Okay, you see a knife. | ||
| Let's look at Aristotle's theory of knives. | ||
| He says, look at this knife. | ||
| I show you a plastic knife. | ||
| I show you a wood knife. | ||
| I show you a metal knife. | ||
| I show you five different knives. | ||
| And you're like, they're all knives. | ||
| All of them are knives. | ||
| You point to them and say they're knives. | ||
| Aristotle says, look, they all share in one something, let's call it the essence, that makes them all knives. | ||
| Would you agree? | ||
| The form. | ||
| They all share... | ||
| If I draw a knife on a paper, you'd be like, he just drew a knife. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That knife on the paper shares something with a knife made of steel, the knife made of plastic, the knife made of wood. | ||
| The form. | ||
| There's something about it. | ||
| We call it the essence in philosophy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The form might be confused with what Plato says, because Plato had a whole thing about forms. | ||
| But let's call it, for now, essence. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If you change the essence, you change the thing. | ||
| So if I take that plastic knife and I melt it, you'll be like, it's not a knife anymore. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What did I do? | ||
| You change that thing about it. | ||
| That essence, right? | ||
| Now, that essence, does it exist out there in the world or is it only in your head? | ||
| You made it up. | ||
| Well, by calling it essence, you're confusing me. | ||
| So I would call it the form. | ||
| The form of it, it exists in culture. | ||
| It exists in our understanding of these objects and their useful shapes. | ||
| It's your idea of knife conforms to that knife out there. | ||
| Where's that knife? | ||
| Oh, here. | ||
| That's a great, yeah. | ||
| Bring it out. | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| Great. | ||
| That's obviously a knife. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You recognize it. | ||
| I recognize it. | ||
| That's a knife. | ||
| Yeah, I totally agree. | ||
| My model of knife... | ||
| That's a knife. | ||
| Yeah, my model of knife, that fits my model of knife. | ||
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Yeah, mine as well. | |
| Beautiful. | ||
| But there's some weird looking knives out there too. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And there might be a knife where we don't agree that's a knife. | ||
| You think it's a knife, I don't agree, I think that's a sword. | ||
| I've reached the level of sword. | ||
| Right, yeah, like a bowie knife. | ||
| We might have a different... | ||
| That's great evidence that it's something in our minds. | ||
| It's not actually objective. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They get to the certain length and you're like, ooh. | ||
| It's subjective. | ||
| Yeah, it's subjective, right? | ||
| Okay, let's look at matter now. | ||
| Matter is an inference of the mind. | ||
| Just like the knife is an inference of the mind. | ||
| In terms of subatomic particles and atoms and... | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| You see this cup? | ||
| You see this bottle? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You see this clock? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You made an inference. | ||
| They all share one thing. | ||
| What do they share? | ||
| All of them share one thing. | ||
| What is that thing they share? | ||
| They share this thing called matter. | ||
| But that was an inference. | ||
| Just like we inferred the essence of a knife. | ||
| Matter has never been observed in nature. | ||
| Matter is a byproduct of our mind. | ||
| So when you see a tree, you're not seeing matter. | ||
| There's no matter. | ||
| Not that I'm inferring matter, I'm observing an image, but I'm inferring the matter. | ||
| The matter is a mental construct. | ||
| Is it a mental construct or is it... | ||
| Our inability to see things smaller than what is necessary for our survival. | ||
| Like we can't see atoms. | ||
| We can't see subatomic particles. | ||
| We can't see them with the naked eye. | ||
| But we understand through science that they exist. | ||
| How do you understand that they exist? | ||
| Are you saying that matter exists out there independently of your mind? | ||
| Is matter objective or is it dependent on your mind to exist? | ||
| It's not dependent on your mind to exist. | ||
| It's dependent upon your mind to observe. | ||
| You need your mind to be able to observe matter. | ||
| But if you didn't exist, do you think this table would exist? | ||
| That I don't know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But what would you guess? | ||
| I would guess that all I know, if I'm going to use Occam's razor, if I'm going to go to the extreme with Occam's razor, I'm just gonna believe what I observe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And kill all the woo-woo. | ||
| Kill it all. | ||
| You have had loved one die, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everyone has, right? | ||
| Do you assume that when they die, the universe is still the universe? | ||
| What do you mean, still the universe? | ||
| It's like the world is the way they are. | ||
| I mean, the way it is, there's trees and grass and dirt, and this person dies. | ||
| The trees and grass and dirt, they don't change. | ||
| They're still the same thing. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| The nature of the tree would change? | ||
| No, I'm saying if you love someone and you know this person and they are no longer with us, all the things around you, like this coffee cup and this knife, they remain the same. | ||
| They don't change. | ||
| No, they don't change. | ||
| Why would you assume that it would be any different for yourself? | ||
| If you weren't here, why would you think that this table would not exist or the microphone would not exist? | ||
| That's a great argument. | ||
| I'm not saying that it wouldn't. | ||
| This is what we call hard objectivity. | ||
| Something that's hard objectivity exists without any human mind in existence. | ||
| If all human minds were dead, whatever exists still is what we would call, philosophers called hard objectivity. | ||
| Now we have objectivity. | ||
| So for instance, let's look at George Berkeley's example because that's such a great question. | ||
| Look at a triangle. | ||
| Picture a blue triangle. | ||
| Picture a green one. | ||
| Picture a black one. | ||
| Picture a white one. | ||
| Can you picture one with no subjective elements? | ||
| Meaning because color is subjective, right? | ||
| Color is a construct of the mind. | ||
| So if I was colorblind, this shirt would be a different color to me than it is to you. | ||
| However, there would still be one shirt. | ||
| It would be objective to a certain degree. | ||
| So a triangle has three sides, three corners. | ||
| It adds up to 180 degrees. | ||
| We all agree. | ||
| Whether you're colorblind, it doesn't matter. | ||
| There's no subjective element to how many points does it have. | ||
| Nobody's going to come in and say, to me, triangles have four sides. | ||
| You'd be like, that's not a triangle. | ||
| There's not three angles to that. | ||
| You've gone past analytical understanding. | ||
| Okay, so, George Berkeley says, can you picture a triangle without any subjective element, without any color? | ||
| Let's call it color to make it really simple, really obvious. | ||
| Can you picture a triangle without any color? | ||
| You would have to have it in contrast to something so that you could see it. | ||
| Say if you had a purple curtain, like what we have behind us, and out of that purple curtain we cut a triangle, even if there was no color, even if it was just clear. | ||
| You would be able to see, you'd be able to differentiate between that shape. | ||
| But you needed that purple curtain. | ||
| To differentiate, yes. | ||
| So we cannot have it without subjective element. | ||
| This was Berkeley's point, exactly what you said. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Every objective thing we've observed in the universe is made up of subjective elements. | ||
| Even when you draw the number one on a blackboard, it has to be a color. | ||
| It has to be something. | ||
| It has to be a contrast, like you said. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| You said it beautifully. | ||
| All our objective elements are mental constructs. | ||
| Three sides. | ||
| The idea of side is a mental construct. | ||
| The idea of a point is a mental construct. | ||
| The idea of 180 degrees is mathematical. | ||
| It's happening in your mind somewhere. | ||
| It's not out there being observed. | ||
| You can draw it, and I can see it, and I can repeat it, and you can teach it to me, and I can teach it to someone else. | ||
| They may be mental constructs, but they're provable mental constructs that are repeatable. | ||
| So we think of them as a real thing. | ||
| We're in agreement that mathematics is a mental construct and it's true. | ||
| It's by definition true. | ||
| So it's both, a mental construct and true. | ||
| Yes, but it's not outside, out there in the world. | ||
| It's within. | ||
| But if you make a triangle on the ground, it's in the world. | ||
| The numbers are in your head and the subjective element is in the world. | ||
| There's a two-way streak. | ||
| The subjective element is in the world, but it's a triangle. | ||
| So how's it in your head? | ||
| Because when you look at a triangle, the subjective elements... | ||
| When you observe them in your mind, your mind points out different objective elements of that triangle. | ||
| But it's dependent on your mind. | ||
| By that argument, the entire universe is dependent on your mind. | ||
| Absolutely, no doubt about it. | ||
| If we're going to use Occam's razor, not everyday language. | ||
| We're using Occam's razor. | ||
| Let's take away everything we're not sure of. | ||
| Everything that has a doubt, get rid of it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Get rid of everything with a sliver of doubt. | ||
| The problem is matter itself has a sliver of doubt. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, when you have subatomic particles that exist in two different states simultaneously, they're both spinning and still. | ||
| They're in super states. | ||
| Berkeley would tell you those are images of subatomic particles. | ||
| They're not subatomic particles independent of your mind. | ||
| Well, I had a conversation with Sean Carroll about it. | ||
| He was a physicist and he made it even more muddy to me. | ||
| I thought it was crazy before I talked to him and then when I talked to him... | ||
| He's brilliant. | ||
| He's brilliant. | ||
| He's essentially saying that subatomic particles don't blink in and out of existence. | ||
| It's just we... | ||
| It's the way we're looking at them. | ||
| And that they exist in this just bizarre state. | ||
| But they exist in this state in a way that it's very difficult for us to use normal language to sort of explain. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's the true issue. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I might have fucked... | ||
| He's probably listening to this. | ||
| He's like, you fucking dummy. | ||
| You ruined what I said again. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| One great conversation. | ||
| I heard a conversation between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. | ||
| Oh, that conversation about truth? | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| Oh, that drove me crazy. | ||
| I think we could do better, though. | ||
| Yes, I think they could have done better, too. | ||
| They needed a moderator. | ||
| Yes, exactly, exactly. | ||
| I think they need to get to know each other personally first. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They never met, by the way. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That's fireworks, right? | |
| That was such a great conversation, but here's my question. | ||
| What's the difference between knowledge and belief? | ||
| Because a lot of what we said is kind of muddy. | ||
| Okay, let's make the waters crystal clear as much as possible. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What is the difference between knowledge and belief? | ||
| Well, the belief that the gremlins are pulling down on people, which is why we have gravity, that would be a belief. | ||
| No, they're both beliefs. | ||
| Gravity is not knowledge, it's belief. | ||
| Okay, but we're talking about gremlins. | ||
| I was going to say, that's knowledge, or that's a belief. | ||
| Belief. | ||
| Knowledge is, if I throw water on you, you get wet. | ||
| I would say that's a belief. | ||
| It's a belief? | ||
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Yes. | |
| So maybe one day I throw water on you and you show me that you're Jesus and the water just goes right through you and it doesn't exist. | ||
| The reason why you believe water will make me wet is because it happened in the past. | ||
| And you think that the future is going to behave like the past. | ||
| Just like Aristotle saw the sun go around the earth and he thought that this is going to happen every day. | ||
| But he didn't understand. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| It's optical illusion. | ||
| But what I understand is what water is though. | ||
| It's H2O. I throw it at you, you get wet. | ||
| All flamingos are pink. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| We didn't know that all the time, did we? | ||
| Then we went to Australia. | ||
| They don't have the same food source. | ||
| They don't have the same food source. | ||
| They're black here. | ||
| They're white here. | ||
| They have a different food source. | ||
| Flamingos are not inherently pink. | ||
| A scientific fact can always be overturned. | ||
| Oh, look at this! | ||
| You threw water and didn't get wet! | ||
| Yeah, but this is just because it's a certain coating. | ||
| Right, I got you. | ||
| But if he's got that over his body, he's not going to be able to breathe. | ||
| Okay, how about this? | ||
| You've never seen fire before. | ||
| You've never seen fire. | ||
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Okay. | |
| You've been being warmed by electric blankets your entire life. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Then you see a flame. | ||
| Can you know that that flame is going to burn you if you touch it logically or is it only via experience through history? | ||
| Developing a history, a relationship with fire. | ||
| It burns you once. | ||
| It burns you twice. | ||
| You're like, hey, I think the future is going to behave like the past. | ||
| There's people who know that fire burns you and they've never been burned by fire because they went to school and they learned from people who explained the properties of fire, what it is, how it works, what temperature it operates on, how it's different depending upon the color of it or what's burning. | ||
| Borrowed history. | ||
| It's still history. | ||
| Borrowed history? | ||
| How so? | ||
| You learn from my mistakes of touching fire. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's still known via experience, via history. | ||
| Well, it's known via science if you explain exactly what the elements of the fire are and how it works and what it burns at and what temperature specific things need to burn at. | ||
| You don't have to get burned to know that it will burn you. | ||
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No. | |
| No, but that's how we discovered fire burns, by testing it. | ||
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Right. | |
| Not via a logical deduction. | ||
| Okay, I see what you're saying. | ||
| It's only history. | ||
| Science is patterns and irregularities found in nature. | ||
| We observe nature, we see these patterns and irregularities. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We have no idea what's causing them. | ||
| Well, wasn't that Descartes' original idea about science in the first place was using measurement to sort of understand nature? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Was that one of his original concepts of establishing science in the first place? | ||
| No, his original concept was, look, science is doubtable. | ||
| He said that, science is doubtable, no doubt. | ||
| It's called Cartesian doubt, an extreme level of doubt. | ||
| He says, those are all beliefs. | ||
| I don't have any knowledge. | ||
| What do I know? | ||
| Because knowledge means zero chance of being wrong. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Zero chance of being wrong. | ||
| Give me one scientific fact you truly trust 100%. | ||
| Okay, if I take a match and I take a yellow piece of paper from this particular notebook, I will light that motherfucker on fire with that match. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| Okay, that's a scientific fact? | ||
| Is it? | ||
| No, it's a scientific fact, but it's not higher than hypothesis. | ||
| It's just hypothesis you have. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because every time you've seen a fire, touch a piece of paper, it burned it. | ||
| So you're relying on your historical experiences. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, so you're essentially saying there's no scientific fact possible. | ||
| Only to the level of hypothesis. | ||
| This is not me talking, this is Thomas Kuhn. | ||
| He's saying, look, we have two phases in science. | ||
| Standard science and then a scientific revolution. | ||
| What's standard science? | ||
| Well, whatever the flavor of the day is. | ||
| Let's say today it's evolution. | ||
| And then he says, look, every piece of information we receive, we interpret it through that lens. | ||
| He called it a paradigm. | ||
| We look at the information through the lens of evolution. | ||
| So it makes sense. | ||
| It fits right here in our story of evolution. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then he says, look, a small amount of contradictory information is going to pool slowly. | ||
| It's inevitable, he says. | ||
| And then this, we're going to ignore it. | ||
| We're going to sweep it under the rug. | ||
| Everything doesn't make sense. | ||
| We're going to sweep it under the rug. | ||
| And then one day that level of information, that amount of information that doesn't fit in any way with our theory, our current theory, is going to pull and pull and pull and pull until one guy comes around and says, no, we had it backwards or we had it wrong. | ||
| It's this. | ||
| Now all this new information fits in the new theory. | ||
| All the old stuff fits and all the new stuff fits. | ||
| And that's called the scientific revolution. | ||
| And he says science is always going through a normal phase and then a revolution phase. | ||
| And man is becoming more and more precise. | ||
| But we'll never reach the level of past hypothesis. | ||
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Why? | |
| Because science is based on our faith that the future will behave like the past. | ||
| We only know things via experience, via our history. | ||
| So when I flip that coin, you have no idea what's going to happen. | ||
| Until I flip many coins in front of you. | ||
| Or I give you my... | ||
| If you trust me and I tell you what... | ||
| Listen, I did this experiment. | ||
| Here are my results. | ||
| And you trust me. | ||
| You just take it for granted. | ||
| You take it on way of authority. | ||
| I agree with everything you said. | ||
| I still don't see where you're saying science has so much woo. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Or science has as much woo as healers or crystal suckers or... | ||
| Listen, I don't believe in crystals in any of that. | ||
| I know you don't. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I have a higher standard of skepticism. | ||
| I'm missing the woo though. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The woo is when we project physical laws. | ||
| Combustion, electricity, gravity. | ||
| These are all appeal to magic. | ||
| Can you demonstrate these physical laws? | ||
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Or are they byproducts? | |
| Are they inferences you made in your mind because you've seen a certain pattern over and over again? | ||
| That law doesn't exist out there in the universe. | ||
| It's only a bookmark. | ||
| It's only a name we have for a pattern we've observed in nature. | ||
| It's pretty heavy stuff, I know. | ||
| It's only a name for a pattern. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That we've observed that exists in nature. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that means you can't label anything ever. | ||
| Because everything is just a pattern that we've observed in nature. | ||
| Everything is a pattern. | ||
| So there's no things. | ||
| There's no logic behind it. | ||
| Nothing is real. | ||
| There's no logic. | ||
| We give an explanation. | ||
| We give a narrative to it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that narrative is just our paradigm. | ||
| Kamis Kuhn would say, that's the shades you're wearing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You kind of said it beautifully. | ||
| He said, look, you have pink tinted glasses. | ||
| You could have blue tinted glasses, but whatever glasses you're wearing, that's the song and dance. | ||
| That's the story you tell yourself of why those things are happening the way they're happening. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The truth of the matter is, all we're seeing is one pattern happening over and over again. | ||
| So what this is essentially is an intellectual exercise, but the reality of our ability to come up with the very technology that we're using right now to broadcast this podcast It means that they have figured things out that they're provable and that you can use science to determine what frequency things need to be, | ||
| how much electricity you need, what kind of components can take the image and project it through the power lines and through the internet cables and all the different things that we need to be in place to provide the electricity, to provide the internet connection. | ||
| That's all science. | ||
| It's predictive. | ||
| Science is predictive. | ||
| Right, but these are all things that are not just observable, but they're repeatable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So where's the woo? | ||
| Here's where the woo is, okay? | ||
| Our explanation for why it happens, the laws of nature, our woo. | ||
| It's not woo. | ||
| It's our words that we use to describe repeatable things. | ||
| Okay, which force of nature are you referring to? | ||
| Let's pick one. | ||
| Okay, randomness. | ||
| Can you show? | ||
| I don't think that's a force of nature. | ||
| I agree with you that randomness, the idea of randomness. | ||
| Okay, pick one. | ||
| Because they use it. | ||
| They say it's evolution, a natural section via random selection. | ||
| Temperature. | ||
| Temperature. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I observe temperature like you. | ||
| I believe temperature exists. | ||
| What causes temperature? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We, you and I don't know. | ||
| They don't have any idea what causes that friction causes certain things, that the magnetic pull of the sun on the earth causes certain temperature shifts, and these are recognizable and repeatable, and they understand how to measure them. | ||
| These are all just patterns and regularities found in nature. | ||
| And they're giving them names and explanations. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| These names and explanations can be debunked later on. | ||
| I put them in the maybe pile, plausible pile. | ||
| But this is, listen, I know it's frustrating, but the philosophy of science, this is it. | ||
| The cause and effect, we do not observe cause and effect. | ||
| We do not observe one thing causing another. | ||
| We just see A and then we see B. It's a bit difficult, but imagine this. | ||
| We see A and we see B. We don't see the causal connection. | ||
| Because if we did see the causal connection, you would know what happens when I flip that coin. | ||
| You could have predicted it. | ||
| You could predict what's going to happen when I touch fire. | ||
| I would have to know exactly how much force you're exerting on your thumb to flip that coin. | ||
| I would have to know what altitude we're at to understand what I would have to know the atmosphere that this coin is going through. | ||
| I would have to know the weight of the coin. | ||
| I would have to know the position of your thumb on the thing. | ||
| It's like what you said about the billiard balls. | ||
| It is true that if you could calculate the exact amount of friction on the cloth and the table, the amount of polish that are on the balls, the amount of force, you'd have to have all the balls in exactly the same spot. | ||
| But this is not possible today. | ||
| Today, if you set up a table and you set up, let's just say nine balls, and you told me you were going to know where every ball was to the millimeter, I would say, I will bet you a million dollars you're wrong. | ||
| And I would be right every time. | ||
| You're never going to get it. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because you don't have the ability to calculate all those variables. | ||
| But it's theoretically possible. | ||
| And it's also the physical change of the amount of force that you drive when you break those balls varies. | ||
| And if it varies even slightly, it's going to change the way. | ||
| So a person just doing it with their body is not capable of that kind of precision. | ||
| If we got a robot to break. | ||
| Even if you got a robot to break, you would have to have those balls in exactly the same spot. | ||
| And they don't usually sit that way because the cloth has fiber in it. | ||
| And it's wool. | ||
| It's a worsted wool. | ||
| And that worsted wool moves and shifts and bends and it flattens out in some spaces. | ||
| In other spaces it gets dirt and debris and chalk. | ||
| There's too many variables. | ||
| So because we cannot compute all the variables, I'm with you. | ||
| We can create it with a slight margin of error. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There'll still be a margin of error. | ||
| That's why Laplace said, I need a divine calculator. | ||
| He says, I would have to even round off the numbers. | ||
| So I'll be slightly wrong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the argument is that if we had all the variables, and that's a big if, it's logically possible. | ||
| It's logically coherent with the reality that we see. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Randomness is by the wayside. | ||
| It's a figment of our imagination. | ||
| We project it when we cannot compute. | ||
| But if we could... | ||
| This is objective outside of us. | ||
| The truth is outside of us. | ||
| It's not dependent on me and you, how we see the world. | ||
| So randomness is based essentially on our inability to calculate variables. | ||
| It's not on an actual law itself. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| So when we say that's random, it's woo-woo. | ||
| It is, in the strictest way of the word. | ||
| Now, every logical law, now this is what hurts people, but I love science. | ||
| Look at me, I'm a lover of science. | ||
| No, I believe you do. | ||
| I'm a science addict. | ||
| I read all the books. | ||
| I'm fascinated by science. | ||
| Let's say I take object X and I throw it at a window. | ||
| What's going to happen? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You don't have any experience with Object X. I don't know what Object X is. | ||
| Why can't you deduce it? | ||
| Why can't you deduce what's going to happen? | ||
| Well, if I had more information... | ||
| You need a history with Object X. You need to get to know Object X, interact. | ||
| You cannot deduce it. | ||
| Well, you would write down all these different variables. | ||
| You would find out what people have learned from the past about these variables, and that would be science. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Science is the history. | ||
| Of patterns and regularities. | ||
| It is not deduction. | ||
| It is not logic. | ||
| It's a type of logic. | ||
| We call it inductive logic. | ||
| This logic is the faith that the past, that the future will behave like the past. | ||
| So the patterns and regularities we see in nature We say, look, if these happen often enough, we can recreate these circumstances often enough, we predict it'll happen in the future. | ||
| We have a faith that it'll happen again in the future. | ||
| There is no logical reason why it does. | ||
| There is not one single logical reason why we don't fall off the face of the earth. | ||
| Every explanation we give ourselves is just a narrative. | ||
| It is always subject to reinterpretation. | ||
| However... | ||
| With a change in variables. | ||
| Like a shifting of the Earth's magnetic poles or... | ||
| I gave you a ridiculous narrative. | ||
| The gremlin one. | ||
| Just to show you. | ||
| Look, I know you don't believe in mine. | ||
| I don't believe in mine either. | ||
| But I'm doing the same thing Isaac did. | ||
| And I'm going to correlate my Gremlins theory as far as he can correlate his gravity theory. | ||
| He used the word gravity. | ||
| He made it sound better. | ||
| He made it sound less ridiculous. | ||
| But the truth of the matter is, he's throwing his hands up in the air saying, look, I don't know. | ||
| Let's just call it gravity. | ||
| This is a way to think about it. | ||
| Now, his contemporaries laughed at him. | ||
| They said it's an appeal to magic. | ||
| And then when people started wearing those shades, those paradigms, they're like, hey, it makes sense. | ||
| If you just believe in gravity for a second, it explains all this ballet of celestial bodies and how they move. | ||
| But really what he discovered was a pattern. | ||
| And he gave that pattern a name. | ||
| But does that force exist out there? | ||
| Well, not according to Einstein. | ||
| He came up with a different narrative that fits the evidence even better than Isaac Newton did. | ||
| But it's still a narrative. | ||
| It hasn't removed all the other possibilities. | ||
| For something to be true without a doubt, for it to be knowledge, not belief, there has to be zero doubt, meaning no other possibility whatsoever. | ||
| That's knowledge. | ||
| So can you know something that's untrue? | ||
| You cannot know something that's untrue. | ||
| You can believe something that's untrue. | ||
| Knowledge means... | ||
| That this is known. | ||
| There is no possibility of doubt. | ||
| That's why Descartes was such an important philosopher. | ||
| Because he gave us one thing that we know. | ||
| The cogito. | ||
| Have you heard of the cogito? | ||
| I don't remember what it is. | ||
| I think, therefore, I am. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| So, what is it that we know for sure? | ||
| Because... | ||
| You know, it's funny. | ||
| There's two great philosophers that I've read that went through a crisis in their life. | ||
| One of them was Imam Ghazali, a great Arabic philosopher, and one of them was René Descartes. | ||
| And both their writings are very, like, it's amazing. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they go through this crisis. | ||
| They go through, what do I actually know? | ||
| Because they came to this exact same conclusion that, hey, it's all explanation. | ||
| It's not proof. | ||
| It's all a narrative. | ||
| It's all a point of view. | ||
| Science keeps getting refined and changed. | ||
| With more information. | ||
| What we believed yesterday gets taken out from underneath us. | ||
| Today's paradigm is going to be shifted again a hundred years from now, a thousand years from now. | ||
| What can I grab and be like, this is true. | ||
| Nobody can ever take this from me. | ||
| That's going to be called knowledge. | ||
| So it all comes down. | ||
| At the end of the long journey of Cartesian doubt, it was so extreme. | ||
| The philosophers gave it a new name. | ||
| They call it Cartesian doubt. | ||
| They call it modern philosophy. | ||
| So philosophy is thousands of years old. | ||
| Descartes comes, writes a book. | ||
| He wrote six chapters in six days. | ||
| And he was like, what do I actually know? | ||
| 100% without a doubt. | ||
| Nobody could ever question me. | ||
| And he said, look, I believe in the cogito. | ||
| What's the cogito? | ||
| I think therefore I am. | ||
| So he goes through a long process. | ||
| You know, if we have the time, we'll go through a little nutshell of it. | ||
| So he says, look, he says, look, when I put a straw in a glass of water, my eyes tell me that the straw is bent. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Because the reflection of the water is bent. | ||
| The reflection of the light off the water is bent. | ||
| He says, look, my eyes lie to me. | ||
| Aristotle thought the sun goes around the earth. | ||
| His eyes lie to him. | ||
| Our senses lie. | ||
| He talks about if I put my hand in cold water, then I put it in tepid water, it'll seem warm to me. | ||
| But that's just my bias, my inability to tell you what my instruments are not accurate enough. | ||
| So he said, okay, let's put empiricism or senses by the wayside. | ||
| It cannot give us truth. | ||
| It cannot give us truth. | ||
| He said, what about deduction? | ||
| What about math? | ||
| Analytical knowledge. | ||
| One plus one equals two. | ||
| Believe it or not, philosophers also disagree with a lot of mathematical beliefs. | ||
| So for instance, here's a big critique of math. | ||
| One plus one equals two. | ||
| We all believe it. | ||
| But the critique is that one plus one is another way of saying two. | ||
| There's no actual information you ever gave me. | ||
| Mathematics is just one way to sum up a lot of information. | ||
| It helps me give you an epiphany. | ||
| It helps me make you understand what's happening on the billiard ball table. | ||
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| So by calling one plus one, two, you're not changing the objects themselves. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's always been two things. | ||
| It's always been two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a tautology. | ||
| You're just explaining to me something that's out there, already existing. | ||
| So if I tell you a triangle has three points. | ||
| Well, when I said the word triangle... | ||
| I already told you it has three points, but maybe you didn't pick that up. | ||
| Maybe I had to point it out to you. | ||
| So, Bertrand Russell said it beautifully. | ||
| He said, look, first in his career, Bertrand Russell is a great thinker. | ||
| He said, look, mathematics is the thing we're most sure of. | ||
| By the end of his career, he was like, guys, I'm not even sure about math anymore. | ||
| Why? | ||
| He's like, I think math is just another way of saying a four-legged animal is an animal. | ||
| But you said that when you said it's a four-legged animal. | ||
| And you just repeated yourself by saying it's an animal. | ||
| If I say, there's my wife. | ||
| I married her. | ||
| When I said my wife, I told you I married her. | ||
| That's what math is doing. | ||
| Math is giving you the information again in a simpler form that you can understand. | ||
| And you think, oh, I've deduced this information. | ||
| No, actually, the information was there in the question. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some philosophers disagree with this. | ||
| They said, no, math brings you, like Kant. | ||
| Kant said, no, math tells you something. | ||
| Okay, let's put that on the wayside. | ||
| Here's another critique. | ||
| One I personally could never get around. | ||
| He says, look, all the greatest thinkers in history, this is actually an Ibn Taymiyyah critique of logic. | ||
| He says, look, all the greatest thinkers in history all disagree. | ||
| Like Plato and Aristotle, you know, Plato tutored Aristotle. | ||
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| Two of the greatest thinkers in ancient history. | ||
| They don't agree with one another. | ||
| They both say, you're wrong, and the other guy says, I'm wrong. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Fast forward. | ||
| Every generation, their greatest thinkers disagreed. | ||
| Leibniz didn't agree with Voltaire. | ||
| Today, Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson, okay, maybe they're not the top, top intellectuals on Earth today, but they're among the elite. | ||
| They don't agree on what is true. | ||
| When you ask them, what's truth? | ||
| You guys are talking about truth all day long. | ||
| Can you define it for us? | ||
| We don't agree. | ||
| So if logic is something that tells us about the world, if it is, let's say we grant that. | ||
| Descartes is saying, look, we can't use it. | ||
| Nobody is good enough to use it and get to a conclusion that everybody agrees upon. | ||
| So he's saying, look, even that doesn't help me. | ||
| So he came up to the Kagito. | ||
| He says, look, He doubted everything. | ||
| He even went to the point where he said, what if I'm dreaming? | ||
| What if there's an evil demon out there always tricking me? | ||
| He went really out there. | ||
| Well, that's one of the reasons why simulation theory is terrible. | ||
| People really do, like serious people, consider the potential that not only is it possible that we are in a simulation, but that there are many, many simulations inside of simulations. | ||
| Because we couldn't... | ||
| That's what the egocentric predicament we were talking about earlier is. | ||
| You cannot experience anything outside of your consciousness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you could be plugged into a machine right now. | ||
| And this is just a big old dream. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| And that's why Descartes wanted to know what would be true, even if I was in a simulator. | ||
| And that's, I think, therefore I am. | ||
| Therefore I am. | ||
| Because for me to have thoughts, I'd have to exist. | ||
| If you doubt the cogito, you've proved the cogito. | ||
| Because to object to it, you first have to have existence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He refined it. | ||
| I think thinkers refined it later on and before him also. | ||
| Many thinkers came to this conclusion. | ||
| He just did it really famously. | ||
| Well, he did it in one sentence too. | ||
| He did it in one sentence. | ||
| He summed it up. | ||
| That's why if you, you know, I've heard of Occam's razor. | ||
| If you use Occam's razor to an extreme, if you go to an extreme degree, everything with a doubt, you chop it. | ||
| Everything that might be imaginary, inferred, logical, empirical, you chop it. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| You have a transcendent experience. | ||
| If you take off all your paradigms, this takes a very brave human being to do. | ||
| To remove everything that anybody's ever told you and have the experience of the one thing. | ||
| What you would know, what you would come to, mystics, that's why I believe that there's a place where you can get where religion is true and science is faith. | ||
| And I know it sounds crazy, but there is a point, and I believe in science, don't get me wrong, I can't praise science enough, but there is a transcendent experience a human has, and that transcendent experience is consciousness itself, not the content of consciousness. | ||
| This is where people make a mistake. | ||
| Consciousness itself, reality, your world is nested in consciousness. | ||
| People think consciousness is within my brain. | ||
| It's the opposite. | ||
| Your brain, your body, your self is in consciousness. | ||
| And when we get to this point, then all our paradoxes disappear. | ||
| There's no more paradoxes, logical paradoxes. | ||
| Maybe if we have time, we can talk about logical paradoxes. | ||
| They never end. | ||
| But when we understand that... | ||
| Our world is nested in consciousness. | ||
| There's nothing happening in the world around you that's outside of your consciousness. | ||
| It's only outside of your ego. | ||
| The thing you associate with Joe Rogan is also happening inside your consciousness. | ||
| Your brain is within consciousness. | ||
| No brain has ever been observed outside of consciousness. | ||
| See, in materialism, they have this philosophy called epiphenomenalism, that the consciousness is a byproduct of this physical brain. | ||
| We have this physical brain and your consciousness is like a byproduct. | ||
| It's like a smoke. | ||
| Now we ask them, how do you know about this physical brain? | ||
| Oh, we know it because of our consciousness. | ||
| So if your consciousness is fake, unreal, then so is your brain. | ||
| The reason why we all know about brains is because of consciousness. | ||
| Consciousness tells us about brains. | ||
| So brains are dependent on consciousness, not consciousness dependent on the brain. | ||
| So I know this is a bit of a tricky thing, but this is what idealism is all about. | ||
| There is no physical object outside of consciousness. | ||
| It's all mental construct. | ||
| We started this podcast talking about MMA and we ended on a mindfuck. | ||
| Yeah, seriously. | ||
| This is a serious mindfuck. | ||
| The egocentric predicament. | ||
| Not an easy one. | ||
| Well, it's... | ||
| It's a fascinating yet impractical exercise. | ||
| Because you will do it to the end of time. | ||
| You'll be sitting here debating and discussing and dissecting the very... | ||
| But, you know, that's also how you gain a greater and deeper understanding of all the things. | ||
| You have no idea what the fuck they are. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it's still amazing to me, like, how much... | ||
| Is to be explored about what is real around us. | ||
| The reality of the world around us is greater than any mystery in existence. | ||
| That's why for me, I can't read fiction. | ||
| I only study science, history, philosophy. | ||
| That's the only thing. | ||
| Science, history, philosophy, religion. | ||
| Because it's weird enough. | ||
| No, because they're all trying to tell me They're all trying to explain the world around us. | ||
| And that's such a hard thing to do, to sum up. | ||
| What's reality? | ||
| Hey, all these philosophies and theories are trying to sum it up. | ||
| This is reality. | ||
| And to cross-examine them, for me, is far more entertaining than watching a movie or hearing a fictional story. | ||
| Yeah, no, I get it. | ||
| I mean, it's definitely fascinating and entertaining. | ||
| And I like fictional stories, too, though. | ||
| I like observing creativity because I'm fascinated by the human experience. | ||
| And I'm fascinated by what people are able to... | ||
| Create out of their own mind something like we were talking yesterday about Stephen King about how amazing it is that this guy just keeps Continuing to create these bizarre stories and that someone can do that your consciousness and by putting so much emphasis on creativity and your ability to just Write down things that never really happened and paint a picture inside someone's mind. | ||
| You know, let me ask you this if he is if determinism is true Who wrote those stories? | ||
| When you write a story on a computer, did the computer write the story? | ||
| No, you wrote the story. | ||
| But if determinism is true, Steven is just a computer. | ||
| And his buttons are being pushed by past events. | ||
| So that's why one student asked me, hey, you should read a book by Sam Harris on determinism. | ||
| I'm like, well, can you ask Sam who wrote the book? | ||
| You know, who wrote the book and determines them? | ||
| He's going to say, well, he did. | ||
| No, he can't write anything. | ||
| He's determined. | ||
| So these are old philosophical questions that need to be explored, but they are, like you say, mind-bending, you know? | ||
| Very mind-bending. | ||
| Feras, I'm glad we finally did this, man. | ||
| It seems like we could do about a hundred of these. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Let's do it again, man. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| How often are you in town? | ||
| Rarely, but next time I'm in Vegas for UFC or something, I might take a trip over here. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
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Let's do it. | |
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| I really appreciate it, man. | ||
| It was great. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Awesome. | ||
| Feras Ahabi, ladies and gentlemen. |
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