July 6, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Here we go. | ||
| Four, three, two, one. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And we're live. | ||
| Kat, how are you? | ||
| I'm good. | ||
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How are you? | |
| Good to see you here. | ||
| Yeah, thanks for having me. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| I've been looking forward to talking to you for a while. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I feel like it's been a long time coming. | ||
| I don't even know how much time we have. | ||
| I feel like there's a hell of a lot to catch up on. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot to talk about, always. | ||
| You're getting ready for Boise? | ||
| That's your next fight? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Who are you fighting? | ||
| Marianne Renau, July 14th in the CenturyLink Arena. | ||
| Now, you took a good stretch off, right? | ||
| A couple times. | ||
| A couple times. | ||
| Let's see, after I fought Misha, I blew my knee. | ||
| And then the world exploded. | ||
| And so I had, I think, 18 months off between that and fighting Amanda. | ||
| And then after I fought Amanda, I... So Amanda was like September 27th, something like that. | ||
| And I fought Rhonda February 28th. | ||
| And then after Ronda, took another big stretch off, fought Juliana the following year, July 9th, and then this was another big stretch off. | ||
| So yeah, it's been a little bit scattered, but doing what I can. | ||
| Yeah, and you were doing some crazy therapy too, right? | ||
| Some interesting stuff down in San Diego. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so there's been a few things I've been working on. | ||
| I'm not a huge fan of Western medicine. | ||
| You can call it alternative medicine. | ||
| It's like original medicine. | ||
| I appreciate looking at things like that way more than Big Farm. | ||
| But one thing that... | ||
| Fighting has gotten me. | ||
| I think it's more prevalent in women, although I'm thinking it's happening with men, too. | ||
| Our endocrine systems are not happy with these weight cuts, and they're not happy with us getting hit in the head a lot. | ||
| Go figure, right? | ||
| Yeah, go figure. | ||
| So, you know, within all of that, I've just, you know, had medical problems and things that, like, I'm constantly working on. | ||
| And I feel really good. | ||
| I'm constantly improving. | ||
| But one thing I was feeling a little bit stuck on was, one, like, some of the endocrine problem issues. | ||
| But, like, I don't know. | ||
| I went to this facility in San Diego. | ||
| It was called... | ||
| Dang, why can't I remember? | ||
| Oh, Mindset. | ||
| And actually the UFC sent me there because, I mean, we have USADA, we have all of these things. | ||
| Like, after fighting Amanda, I got my head pounded for a good four minutes there. | ||
| I had a TBI afterwards. | ||
| So that was, like, immediately lowered my estrogen, lowered my DHEA, my testosterone, and I'm hypothyroid. | ||
| Like, I will always be hypothyroid now. | ||
| After that fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, still toughed it out. | ||
| Still was trying to do what I could to go and fight Rhonda as soon as I did afterwards. | ||
| And, you know, part of my game plan is don't get hit. | ||
| And which means like, let's just dart at her and see what happens. | ||
| Well, that's what happens when you do that. | ||
| Yeah, for people who don't know, TBI is traumatic brain injury, just in case someone who's listening to this doesn't understand what we're talking about. | ||
| And then in the Ronda fight, if people don't know about that, you just charged after her and you got caught in an arm bar. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Very quick. | ||
| It was like 14 seconds. | ||
| It was 14 seconds, but I did hit her with a knee. | ||
| I did throw her ass, but... | ||
| She practiced this little ninja move and caught my damn arm and it was over. | ||
| Even her coaches were like, you did what you're supposed to do there and she just got you. | ||
| That would be an awesome fight to be able to revisit one day. | ||
| She even said we'd do it. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| Her career is so open right now. | ||
| I don't think she's ever going to fight again. | ||
| She doesn't need to. | ||
| She really doesn't need to. | ||
| I don't think she wants to. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| You'd have to ask her, but there's a lot of lessons to be learned in what happened to her in terms of, like, all of the distractions and Hollywood came calling and there were scripts and talk about doing Roadhouse and there was all this shit going on that was other than fighting, you know? | ||
| And then it was also... | ||
| Look, the sport has evolved so rapidly, and the women's MMA has gotten so high level so quickly. | ||
| And I'm sure you saw Amanda's last fight with Raquel Pennington. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit! | ||
| I mean, that was a fucking high level performance from her. | ||
| And five rounds, super high cardio, just put a beating down on Raquel Pennington, who's one of the toughest girls in the world, for sure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I do, like, I mean, I'm saying the same thing as the fight's going, right? | ||
| And then I have some people in my ear next to me, they're like, well, how long has it been since Raquel fought? | ||
| Because she didn't look her, like, beefiest, right? | ||
| She looked a little tired. | ||
| She looked a little, like, not her typical. | ||
| And then it's like she's a year and a half off herself, right? | ||
| Like, right into a title fight, which I have to say I'm a little bit envious of. | ||
| Because when I beat Misha, I won... | ||
| I was supposed to coach an ultimate fighter, but that was ultimately going to end up in a title shot with Rhonda. | ||
| And I blew my knee, and my husband passed away, and there was a long moment of silence in there. | ||
| And then when I was able to come back, they made me re-earn my title shot. | ||
| And so it was like, wait, oh, we're doing that now? | ||
| Well, it doesn't depend on what attractive contenders are available, what they can sell, what looks good. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it was very young at that age, or at that age. | ||
| Right, and in Bantamweight right now, there's like, there's no standout contender, and Raquel had beaten some really good fighters, and she looked like the next in line, and did she blow her knee out as well? | ||
| I want to say she got like, oh, I could be lying, but I think she got in like some accident with a four-wheeler, like rolled over and broke her leg or something. | ||
| I could like totally be making that up though. | ||
| She could have just twisted it walking down the street too, so I don't know. | ||
| Vaguely remember some injury. | ||
| Now that you're saying that, I do remember something like a broken leg. | ||
| Jamie will find out what it is. | ||
| But were you surprised by that fight? | ||
| Between Raquel and Amanda? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I didn't see Raquel being the one to beat her, you know? | ||
| I do feel like Amanda's been working and doing, like, you know, improving. | ||
| I mean, she changed her camps. | ||
| The coaches that she's working with, I tried out for a while at 1.2 when I was trying to find my spot. | ||
| And they're legit. | ||
| They're very good. | ||
| And American Top Team has a lot of high-level training partners, both girls and guys. | ||
| You know, I mean, she had a good decision made there. | ||
| So I see how she's improved. | ||
| I think with the time off with Raquel, I wasn't sure how it was going to go. | ||
| But also, I just don't know. | ||
| I just don't see Raquel being the one that beats her. | ||
| It's so hard to tell, you know, right? | ||
| I mean, anybody on any given night at the highest level of the game, someone can win. | ||
| Someone can be off. | ||
| Someone can be on. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's no math to be done in this sport. | ||
| There really isn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The MMA math is ridiculous. | ||
| No, I mean, sometimes I hear, like, statistics on me or definitions on me or labels on me, and I'm like, wait, I'm a... | ||
| I'm a known striker. | ||
| Like, I never would have thought I'd be known as a striker. | ||
| I mean, I've been doing jiu-jitsu and wrestling my whole life, so I mean, I'll take it. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Well, it was the Misha KO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But even that is... | ||
| Yes, but I mean, that in itself was like... | ||
| I love to wrestle, and what can I do once I've closed that distance? | ||
| Well, it's those short-angle strikes. | ||
| You know, there's knees and there's elbows there. | ||
| Those are the most destructive things I could possibly do to someone when we're that close. | ||
| And to do all that work to get that close. | ||
| But granted, that's all influenced by Muay Thai and what I got to learn from that discipline. | ||
| So, you know, it's all relevant. | ||
| But, you know, it's always just interesting to hear how you're now being categorized, you know. | ||
| Yeah, it is weird, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you are definitely a dangerous striker. | ||
| I mean, you're dangerous. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I mean, I like it, and I'm enjoying constantly learning and new things. | ||
| Like, the basics were always hard for me to get because I wanted to do the big girl stuff, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| And, you know, found my way, like, right in the middle of all of that and found a way to use how aggressive I am and how just, like, domineering I can feel in there and all of that. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| I want the maximum amount of damage without taking damage, which is obviously the goal, right? | ||
| But I want to put it into a dance, so it's like a little... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What made you decide to go to San Diego? | ||
| So you're at Alliance now, right? | ||
| So you moved from Colorado to San Diego. | ||
| So, a few things. | ||
| So, one of them was, like, Colorado is a complicated situation for me. | ||
| I mean, I had gyms up there, like, a lot just personally happened up there. | ||
| And I love my team elevation. | ||
| Like, I love, I'm still close with everybody. | ||
| Like, I go to Colorado for Christmas holidays. | ||
| Like, it's still home, you know, but a couple things. | ||
| One, with the head injury. | ||
| Colorado is amazing for training, right? | ||
| It's amazing for building your endurance and whatever, but it is not good for healing. | ||
| Like, you'll never, See a doctor, tell someone with Alzheimer's or TBI or heart problems or even massive allergies or what's the... | ||
| Arthritis? | ||
| Arthritis. | ||
| That's not a good place for people to live with any kind of inflammatory or major thing that needs to be healing because your body's already working at such a high level. | ||
| Because of the altitude? | ||
| Yeah, because of the altitude. | ||
| I mean, the thin air, the things like that. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| I spent... | ||
| I spent so much time and so much money figuring out what the hell was wrong with me that I ended up at the Mayo Clinic spending weeks at a time going to all their specialized different doctors and situations like that for them to tell me, if you want to heal, you want to give yourself the best opportunity to heal, you're probably not going to do it up at altitude. | ||
| We would prefer seeing you at sea level. | ||
| So, combined, I needed to almost exile myself from Colorado because I want to love it. | ||
| And it was starting to get less colorful for me. | ||
| Because I felt like I had the best there was as far as coaches and the best there was as far as training partners. | ||
| And the situations, everything was as good as it was going to get. | ||
| It literally was as good as it was going to get. | ||
| And it was like, this can't be it. | ||
| I don't feel right now. | ||
| You don't feel like you're at your maximum. | ||
| No. | ||
| And I was like, that means I'm going to have to take a change, you know? | ||
| And I was scared. | ||
| Like, I have a little boy. | ||
| Like, I'm taking him away from everything we know. | ||
| And we just packed a U-Haul and we left and we got to San Diego. | ||
| And what made you decide on San Diego? | ||
| I went, I wish I had written down like all the gyms I went to and showed up at like anonymously too because I didn't want them to like, I wanted to kind of catch them with their pants down. | ||
| Like what do you guys like right now versus if you're prepared. | ||
| I don't want to show up and have you have people here watching me. | ||
| I don't want you to put on a show. | ||
| Like I want to catch you how you are and like have you decide what you think of me too because this needs to be a fit. | ||
| I mean fighting and coaching and training is very intimate and Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I went to all these places, and the best part about it is that I got to learn and train with so many fighters and so many coaches that I'm so excited about the relationships I made and the people I know. | ||
| But all of them, it was like, this is awesome, but it's not the place. | ||
| This is awesome, but it's not the place. | ||
| I came up to LA, and I was very close to going to American Top Team. | ||
| They had an awesome deal set up for me to go, like, helping me with my kid, helping me with a good percentage for training, like, how a living situation was going to be. | ||
| They were going to accommodate me really well. | ||
| But when it was time to, like, pack my car and go, like, something was, like, that wasn't it, you know? | ||
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Florida, that's the problem. | |
| I mean, sweaty all the time, like right here. | ||
| Yeah, on the boob sweat. | ||
| There's no making that look hot. | ||
| It's just the humans there. | ||
| There's a lot of cool people in Florida, but there's just... | ||
| There's some subhumans down there. | ||
| I really appreciated the Latin culture. | ||
| I love that part. | ||
| It's the white people. | ||
| It's Florida white people. | ||
| It's not all of them, but there's some fucking swamp people down there. | ||
| No joke, no joke. | ||
| Then I looked west. | ||
| I know Ed Suarez out here. | ||
| He's my manager. | ||
| I had a few pockets of people I knew that could maybe be a support to me and my kids. | ||
| Came to LA. If I was here, I was going to go to Black House. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Where's Calvin Casellum training again? | ||
| Calvin Gaslin? | ||
| God, I say his name wrong every time. | ||
| Where is he training now? | ||
| His coach, the Muay Thai coach. | ||
| Kings. | ||
| Oh, Kings. | ||
| Okay, I was going to Kings, Black House, and I was still trying to pick jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I wanted an art of jiu-jitsu guy or a... | ||
| Someone really good. | ||
| Yeah, because I came from traditional, traditional jiu-jitsu and like I love MMA and mixing it up, but I need that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What belt do you in jiu-jitsu? | ||
| Purple. | ||
| For like forever. | ||
| For how long? | ||
| Like six years maybe. | ||
| How come so long? | ||
| Because I'm being a weirdo about who promotes me. | ||
| Because my husband promoted me to purple belt and like I really want whoever takes over the lineage to be like that like I don't want it a different one from ten different people like I want that like I want to pick and it be right and so actually now I'm super excited because I just started training at Atos and I have so much respect for Andre and his wife and Angelica, they're so good. | ||
| There's so many good fighters that come out of that gym too, great jiu-jitsu fighters. | ||
| I've been training there like four weeks now. | ||
| I mean, I've trained there before, but like every day four weeks now. | ||
| And I've only had like one day where I walked out feeling like a rock star. | ||
| The rest of the days they were whooping my ass, but it was good, you know? | ||
| I needed that. | ||
| Super high level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's just been so good. | ||
| And to see myself that way and to hold people that way, like, I was legit a jiu-jitsu, man. | ||
| I was, like, killing it on the circuit for a long time. | ||
| And then MMA comes in and puts this pressure on, like, even those kinds of competitions, even though they're not even the same animal. | ||
| And I'm annoyed that I let that bother me and keep me from competing in between fights because I love that. | ||
| So you mean because you have a big name in MMA, you feel weird about competing in jiu-jitsu tournaments? | ||
| I think I did. | ||
| Or maybe I thought I'd pick up bad habits or I would do whatever because maybe other people had that experience. | ||
| But for me, I need to see it for myself. | ||
| If I go and I do a tournament and I do great, then hell yeah, I'm going to have higher expectations of myself in a fight. | ||
| If I go and I do shitty, okay, well, now I get to learn. | ||
| Competing is where I get to learn everything. | ||
| And spacing out these competitions, especially the time I've had to take off in between fights, Like, I'm not... | ||
| I don't believe necessarily in ring rust, but like... | ||
| When they say go, I don't know what go means until a little bit later than I'm expecting. | ||
| And it's been the pattern in these last two fights. | ||
| You mean when the fight starts, you still feel like, is this really happening? | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| Well, even this last fight with Ketlin, we got in and I was like, do I remember what to do here? | ||
| And I was like, fuck it, I'm just going to throw bombs. | ||
| And the whole time I was just like, and that's not me either. | ||
| It was just like chucking my hands at her and hoping they win. | ||
| And if they didn't, fuck out. | ||
| Did you feel, like, out of composure? | ||
| Yeah, until the third round. | ||
| And then the third round, I was awake and ready to go. | ||
| And, I mean, I felt warmed up. | ||
| I felt right. | ||
| And, you know, she was looking at the clock and backing up and all this. | ||
| And I was just like, come here, come here. | ||
| Like, I'm ready to fight finally. | ||
| Like, come here! | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So there's something to be fixed about that. | ||
| I don't think it's a secret, but I don't know. | ||
| I think maybe something with the warm-up, I need to fully have a respiratory exhaustion before I go in so I can simulate those first rounds being the hell out of the way. | ||
| So you think it's just a nerve thing or an adrenaline thing? | ||
| You know, there's a lot to it. | ||
| Like, gosh, we're bouncing around all these different things. | ||
| But I mean, one thing with that treatment center that I went to is like doing different things, like dealing with your psychology, dealing with like the synchrony in your brain, you know, having your brain function on the same hertz at the same or different areas of your brain. | ||
| So what do they do exactly? | ||
| How is this therapy? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, it's these magnets, right? | ||
| Like, the main people in there, I mean, it's beautiful, not beautiful, but beautiful to see sitting in the lobby, waiting, when you see people with Alzheimer's come in. | ||
| Like, there's a man that wheels his wife in every day, and you can, I think at the beginning of the week, she gets, like, an IV, so she's, like, a little bit more up and chipper, but by the end of the week, you know, she's a little bit more slouched, and Stories like his where he's talking about, you know, before they started going in there, she would just go to the bathroom all over. | ||
| And every day this man takes care of his wife, puts her makeup on her, like goes and gets her hair done, even though she doesn't even know, you know. | ||
| And now she can at least tell him that she needs to go to the bathroom. | ||
| Like, just be like, hey, it's time, you know, and he can get her there. | ||
| And then, you know, sort of kind of have, like, meaningful moments that they haven't had in a while. | ||
| There's a ton of veterans in there. | ||
| And active veterans, too. | ||
| Active military guys that are, you know, they're doing these door breaches, and then they get their head rattled up too many times, and they're noticing they have problems with some depression. | ||
| I mean, and these are high-level Navy SEALs, high-level, like, special forces that need... | ||
| They're expensive people. | ||
| There's millions of dollars poured into these people, and they're not ready to let them go yet. | ||
| So they're like, how can we fix them, give them this performance edge, but still get them healed enough? | ||
| But we need to throw them back in there. | ||
| We need them. | ||
| And so I've had to sit in on appointments with the Department of Defense and talk about my experience with it. | ||
| I had to... | ||
| There's some really famous people, I don't even think I get to say because I'd be a dick and I'd probably be in trouble, but that I've sat in on and they've had their own issues with mental health or PTSD or... | ||
| Like autism, different things like family members of theirs or whatever that I've sat in on and kind of been helpful in talking about because I went in there on two different antidepressants. | ||
| And these I was put on at the Mayo Clinic. | ||
| And I felt like... | ||
| This is post the Nunes fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is how crazy MMA math is, right? | ||
| You lose to Rhonda in 14 seconds. | ||
| You KO Amanda Nunes. | ||
| Amanda Nunes beats the shit out of Rhonda in 48 seconds. | ||
| You might be like the perfect example of MMA math. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| You've beaten down two UFC champions. | ||
| Well, I mean, it took two and a half rounds for me to sub Pennington, too. | ||
| You know? | ||
| There's nothing... | ||
| Who is it? | ||
| Pennington goes toe-to-toe and round-to-round with Holly. | ||
| Holly knocks out Ronda, too. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Pennington's fight with Ashley Evans-Smith to this day, the ending, when she got her in that bulldog choke, covered in blood, and finished her literally one second. | ||
| It was so violent. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| I screamed so loud at the end of that. | ||
| It was just fucking chaos. | ||
| She's had two fights that ended like that. | ||
| With like one second to go, she finishes the fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a tough girl. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, anyway, MMA math is ridiculous. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| And you might be the best example of how it doesn't work. | ||
| But, so, you go to this... | ||
| The Mayo Clinic puts you on antidepressants because you just feel like shit. | ||
| I feel like shit and because, like... | ||
| Of the different endocrine problems that I had, right? | ||
| So I can't have any of the medications that'll help that. | ||
| So I have to be more conservative with it. | ||
| And one way they thought to do it is because my cortisol levels are really high. | ||
| They're talking about... | ||
| And I mean, granted, I have a lot of stress, especially like... | ||
| You know, life hasn't been easy these past... | ||
| Single mom, your husband passes away, you're in the toughest, probably the toughest sport on the planet. | ||
| Trying to be the best at it, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you're elite. | ||
| You're in the top ten. | ||
| So you're in this weird position where you never know when you're going to fight or who you're going to fight. | ||
| There's a constant amount. | ||
| And it's not like you're making millions of dollars doing it either. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, and it's expediting healing for me. | ||
| And I also have a kid going through what I'm going through. | ||
| So it's not like I get to like split and cut corners and just, you know, it's like there's maintenance to be done at all times with that. | ||
| So I go there, they tell me, you know, we could probably lower your cortisol levels if we could lower your stress levels. | ||
| So we'll try antidepressants. | ||
| What did that make you feel like? | ||
| Flat as fuck. | ||
| Can I say fuck on this? | ||
| I just didn't know if I have a quota before I'm a bad person. | ||
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Do I get added to a certain lip? | |
| No. | ||
| There's zero restrictions. | ||
| You can say whatever you want on this show. | ||
| Talk like there's no one listening. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| So, yeah, they put me on. | ||
| They made you feel flat. | ||
| Flat. | ||
| Which, like, all that training camp, getting ready for Juliana, I'm just like, I'm like, okay, it'll take off in the fight. | ||
| Like, I'll feel good in the fight. | ||
| So, like, no adrenaline, no... | ||
| No ups, no downs, no pissed off, like, want to kill you, no nothing, you know? | ||
| And... | ||
| So, not scared, but not happy? | ||
| No, and I was like, why am I not nervous the way that I get nervous? | ||
| Like, I was okay, which usually, like, especially two weeks out, I have this, like, flush of emotions, you know, where I'm, like, fetal position in the corner, like, what the fuck? | ||
| And then once it's over, all I want to do is kill, you know? | ||
| But, like, and I didn't have that either. | ||
| It kind of made me nervous, because my other friend, Barb Honcheck, she's a new 25-er, um... | ||
| We would always call each other and laugh at how dumb we were being at that point. | ||
| Like, look at me. | ||
| But that was all gone. | ||
| What shit did they put you on? | ||
| What was this one? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Zoloft, Paxil... | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Prozac. | ||
| What do they have? | ||
| Do you know any, Jamie? | ||
| Effexor. | ||
| Effexor? | ||
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I don't know, is that one? | |
| Effexor and... | ||
| Jamie's playing stupid over there. | ||
| He's like, I don't know. | ||
| Crazy pose. | ||
| He's on everything. | ||
| Twice a day. | ||
| Just kidding, just kidding. | ||
| Just Tic Tacs. | ||
| He just tries them out. | ||
| So they put you on this stuff and did they try different ones? | ||
| No, because... | ||
| There's not a lot of time. | ||
| There isn't. | ||
| I'm like, I need the side effects matter. | ||
| These can't be ones that make me gain a bunch of weight. | ||
| They can't make me... | ||
| I need to still be able to sleep. | ||
| I have to be able to have enough highs and lows to be able to function and learn and whatever. | ||
| So this is the best they could have for me. | ||
| Anyway, I fight that fight with Juliana. | ||
| I feel like the first round, I came out how I wanted. | ||
| And then halfway through the second round... | ||
| It was just awful. | ||
| She had my old coaches in her corner. | ||
| You know what's weird about that fight is I could hear you. | ||
| This is where the flat came in. | ||
| I didn't feel like I was in the fight. | ||
| I could see Herb Dean's feet and I could hear you talking about us. | ||
| And I saw... | ||
| Like, I could hear Juliana's coaches, and it was breaking my heart that they were coaching against me, because they were my Colorado gym, and she went and trained with them, and I know she had trained with them previously, I mean, before she had taken the fight, but to me it was, like, fucked up to hear, you know, and it hurt me in a way, like, it's... | ||
| I wish I could explain it better, but it was like I heard them and I just wanted to go home. | ||
| You know, I look at the clock and I'm like, can this just be over? | ||
| I don't want to go back to Colorado. | ||
| I want to move. | ||
| And I literally, on this side of the cage, I had my past in Colorado. | ||
| I had these coaches. | ||
| I had the drama with that gym. | ||
| How everything went. | ||
| And then on this side, it was like all new problems. | ||
| Like San Diego, Eric and them were good. | ||
| Like there was a lot of training partners there. | ||
| It was sunny. | ||
| It was similar to Colorado, different, but in the right ways, you know? | ||
| So the Juliana fight, you were in San Diego training for that fight or no? | ||
| Yeah, I just flew out for it for the training camp. | ||
| And while you flew out there, you were still taking the antidepressants? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And did that fight convince you to stop taking them? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So after that fight, I went to... | ||
| What did I do? | ||
| I think I went to the... | ||
| I was at the PI. I was working with Novinsky and people on, like, what to do about that. | ||
| UFC Performance Institute. | ||
| Dr. Gordon. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Mark Gordon. | ||
| Yeah, to help me with all of that, too, because he thought there was a more conservative way to help me with those issues as well. | ||
| And so I was talking with him. | ||
| I had him talk to them. | ||
| They were all trying to figure out a way, but still there's no ways to even just naturally bring you up. | ||
| Did you think about retiring? | ||
| Yeah, and that's the thing is the center was really the place that was like, okay, I'm gonna go here. | ||
| I've tried everything else. | ||
| I'm gonna go here and if they can't fix me, then I'm gonna have to be done. | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| How fucking hard does Amanda Nunes hit? | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| I don't want to say she hits like a dude because that's kind of weird. | ||
| She hits like a dude, I'll say it. | ||
| I remember being surprised. | ||
| I remember having this open guard on the ground and kind of like, come here, I dare you. | ||
| And then she hit and I was like, oh, oh. | ||
| Oh, you have those! | ||
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The fuck? | |
| Yeah, you could see the look on people's face when she hits him. | ||
| You saw it with Rhonda right away. | ||
| There's a part in that fight, because I watched our fight after, and you... | ||
| She hit me and I think it had to be when I hurt my head because it dropped my arm and it dropped my neck. | ||
| And I just remember seeing the little Tweety birds and I was pumped because I was like, that's where the cartoons get it from. | ||
| It's because somebody explained that shit. | ||
| That's exactly where they got it. | ||
| It's like, woo! | ||
| And my arm, I couldn't get my arm back up. | ||
| And I remember listening to you and you're like, Cubs is not intelligently defending herself. | ||
| I'm like, listen, Joe! | ||
| That fucker won't work. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, and then she screwed up because she grabbed my knee. | ||
| And my knee was the one that was like the catalyst to all my problems over the last couple years. | ||
| And it was just like, don't fucking touch that. | ||
| And after that, I was just like, I just... | ||
| So you got angry when she grabbed your knee? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It was the wrong knee, but I knew what she was trying to do. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then on top of that is like it's just I don't know the rest of it was just like punishing her she's kind of like sassy before the fight anyways like in awkward ways like not even like cool hypey ways like just staring at me really weird in a room where it was just like me and Tim Kennedy sitting there eating like watermelon and stuff after weigh-ins and I look over and she's just like like staring at me all weird I was like damn Tim's like dude I'm like I know what do we do? | ||
| I'm like, I can throw a plate of watermelon at her. | ||
| I can throw a table. | ||
| I don't know which one we're doing here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| When you stopped her, we've played the recording of you screaming like... | ||
| Maybe 10 times on this podcast. | ||
| Because to this day, that is one of the rawest moments I've ever seen inside the Octagon. | ||
| Like when you jump, like when they stopped that fight and you screamed, it was fucking bone chilling. | ||
| It was, it's so, I mean, I'm sure you've heard it, but that, here it is right here. | ||
| Play it, Jamie. | ||
| Listen. | ||
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Dude. | |
| That's like from your genes. | ||
| That's some cellular level shit. | ||
| That's intense. | ||
| It's relief. | ||
| It's like we lived. | ||
| They didn't. | ||
| We get to eat. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| It's relief. | ||
| It's primal. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you were, like you said, you lived. | ||
| Because that was, I mean, look, it's just a fight. | ||
| There is a referee. | ||
| You're going to be saved. | ||
| But one of the things that George St. Pierre said last week when he was on the podcast, he said the mentality that you go in there, the way you fight, you are a warrior. | ||
| Like, you know that you're going to be rescued, but you are fighting for your life. | ||
| And when you're fighting a fucking killer like Amanda, and you get lit up like you did and survive that first round, then go back and stop her. | ||
| That's where that comes from. | ||
| I mean, that was just fucking intense. | ||
| Well, it's the practicality to me, right? | ||
| Like, yes, exactly. | ||
| We have a referee. | ||
| We have cage walls. | ||
| We have whatever, you know, fans. | ||
| It's entertaining people. | ||
| But, like, I need to know. | ||
| I need to know that, like, that be in nature. | ||
| You know, that be doing whatever. | ||
| That be self-defense. | ||
| That be... | ||
| Fuck us fighting over territory or food or whatever. | ||
| I need to know what would happen. | ||
| That's why I want these finishes. | ||
| We only get 15 minutes to be able to tell ourselves what would have happened in that situation. | ||
| And when it goes to a decision, I'm pissed because I don't know. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, you don't know. | ||
| Especially these three-round fights where I'm waking up, like, these last couple fights, like, late in the fight, I'm pissed because I'm like, I don't know. | ||
| If that would have been another 30 minutes or another two hours that we're scrapping in the woods, like, who gets the bone? | ||
| You know? | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| And so that's, it's crazy, and it's your practicality, and it's your survival, and this is the way I get to know myself. | ||
| Dude, that's deep. | ||
| Who gets the bone? | ||
| Whew! | ||
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Damn! | |
| The way you just put it, I don't think I've ever heard anybody put it that way. | ||
| You need to know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's intense. | ||
| But I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| That's where that scream comes from. | ||
| You got the bone. | ||
| So, you go down to San Diego. | ||
| What was your shortlist? | ||
| By the way, I'm a huge fan of Eric. | ||
| Alliance is just one of the best camps, for sure. | ||
| And I think Eric Del Fiero is probably one of the most underrated. | ||
| And because he doesn't toot his own horn. | ||
| He's in the shadows, laid back... | ||
| Doesn't want any attention. | ||
| Just not trying to get any attention like he's the last guy to like request attention You know but super super knowledgeable and one of the best guys in a corner to like his advice is always excellent I Never never heard him say the wrong thing in the corner. | ||
| He's always like on point But what was your short list of places to go to besides the Lions? | ||
| I went to go to New Mexico Yes, but I feel like I'm not trying to walk in on Holly and make shit weird. | ||
| We're going to fight each other at some point, I know. | ||
| I don't want to be that guy. | ||
| Although I know I'm welcome and I know that everyone there has always been nice. | ||
| I've gone and trained there before and it's been good. | ||
| But it's just not a cool move. | ||
| I went down to Arizona with Crouch. | ||
| Loved it there. | ||
| Another great guy. | ||
| I feel the same way about him. | ||
| Same, yeah. | ||
| Very, very, very humble. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| Super knowledgeable, too. | ||
| LA was cool, too, but it was a lot of that driving around and the traffic and congestion, and I couldn't sacrifice the... | ||
| Yeah, it is... | ||
| So many people here. | ||
| Yeah, and coming from Colorado and coming from like chill outdoorsy, you can drive 20 minutes and be somewhere no one's ever stood before, to like stuck in traffic, breathing air you don't want to breathe, like everyone's a little pissed off, but no one really knows why. | ||
| Yeah, so many people. | ||
| Jamie's right. | ||
| Jamie's been saying this forever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're gonna leave. | ||
| We're gonna leave together. | ||
| We're thinking of bailing. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Where would you go? | ||
| Maybe Colorado. | ||
| It's so dope. | ||
| It's pretty dope. | ||
| So good there. | ||
|
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Damn. | |
| Food culture could be better there. | ||
| I wish we could combine that food culture of LA. What kind of food culture? | ||
| What are you into? | ||
| I mean, I'm into health food. | ||
| I'm into ethnic food. | ||
| I like trying new stuff all the time. | ||
| I'm not very food chain-y. | ||
| I'm into fire and meat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I like. | ||
| I know. | ||
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It's so good. | |
| That's what I like. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Meat over fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I've decided. | ||
| I've tried all kinds of different shit. | ||
| I always go for the steak. | ||
| Vegetables are great. | ||
| I love vegetables. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you can get them anywhere. | ||
| You can get them in Colorado. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I mean, it's not exactly the produce capital of the world up there. | ||
| No, but you can get them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's not the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just get a greenhouse. | ||
| Grow some tomatoes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| On my spare time. | ||
| So, did you try Montreal? | ||
| Did you think about Five Star? | ||
| I did not. | ||
| Well, I thought about it, but I didn't get up to Canada. | ||
| I went to Thailand. | ||
| I went to Mexico. | ||
| I went to... | ||
| Do you think about going to Thailand? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, when I'm there, especially, it's like such, it's a Buddhist culture. | ||
| People are so happy. | ||
| I mean, you have your shit there just like you have everywhere else, but at the same time, like, the Muay Thai training is good. | ||
| I know the places I would go to jiu-jitsu, like the Fairtex in Pattaya is... | ||
| is coming around and pretty solid like I've been considered that for this camp just to kind of like make some changes because I really want to have that influence and that like exposure to the authentic Muay Thai again like when I looked back at my most successful and most happy times after these three fights I've lost three in a row like that doesn't happen I'm not saying you know I'm like no I'm better than this like something's up and I know there's a lot that I need to work on I mean Like, | ||
| my life in general, and I'm doing it, and I'm happy to be doing it, and I'm happy to be getting the lessons, even if this is how I have to get them. | ||
| Like, fuck it. | ||
| At least I know. | ||
| So, I tried to look back and analyze, like, what was I doing when I was my favorite fighter, when I was feeling the best, and it was, like, very traditional, thick Muay Thai and very traditional, thick Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| So, that this camp... | ||
| Has been something that I'm going to also be outsourcing because I want to be in that element. | ||
| So I'm doing actual Muay Thai with John X. He's a Jeremy Stevens Muay Thai coach, I think, too. | ||
| And then my Jiu-Jitsu with Atos. | ||
| Because before, I would do these separate disciplines, put them together in drills and sparring, and then go mangle people. | ||
| And then have fun with it because it's like these little goals I'd set, like this little bucket list I would take into a fight with me. | ||
| And try to pull those things off and then go learn new stuff and then go try to do that. | ||
| That's why I was constantly evolving every fight. | ||
| Even the fight with Amanda when I snapped her down and I had her by her head and everyone's screaming, knees, knees! | ||
| I'm like, hold my beer. | ||
| And that's when I go and I throw her with the, you know, the, what do they call it, a DDT? It wasn't. | ||
| It was a freestyle front headlock suplex. | ||
| But it was like... | ||
| I want every fight to be different and fun. | ||
| Know what I have, but see what else I got. | ||
| I don't even get to play that right now because I'm fucking up. | ||
| I'm not doing what I want in these fights, so I decided to take steps backwards. | ||
| How do you feel in training? | ||
| In training? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Something's been missing and I'm partially wondering if it's that. | ||
| Every fight I'm looking to make improvements and change. | ||
| I'm not going to ever sit here and say I know everything. | ||
| I have no excuses. | ||
| Ketlin found a way to beat me. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Juliana found a way to beat me. | ||
| I kind of beat myself in that one, too, because I let my head get into me, you know, and that sucked. | ||
| And again, another thing for me to have put time in, and I'm happy I did, but I mean, that got me to move to San Diego. | ||
| So, I mean, I'm happy for that message. | ||
| It cost me a lot of money to get that message, but I'll take it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Ketlyn, yeah, she found a way to beat me. | ||
| And to have been beaten by Jiu-Jitsu when I feel very accomplished in Jiu-Jitsu, that stung differently. | ||
| It stung way differently than just someone else getting their hand raised. | ||
| Do you feel when you're in training that you're the same as you were before when you were at your best? | ||
| When I was at my best? | ||
| No, but it's something that I'm working on. | ||
| I know I have the hang-ups that I have. | ||
| I know there's a ton of mental stuff. | ||
| One, just how life happened and constantly having... | ||
| I had this expedited adaptation to training. | ||
| I had to get new coaches. | ||
| I had to find new gyms. | ||
| I had to do all of this while in grief and being under... | ||
| This isn't the most... | ||
| Forgiving crowd, you know, like when you're having a shit day, definitely not. | ||
| Oh, they're the worst. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy because it's such a... | ||
| Like, you're so exposed and you're so vulnerable as a fighter and the fans might be the meanest. | ||
| Well, and... | ||
| Yes, they're so mean. | ||
| But I feel like I have the best fans, too. | ||
| Like, I have the ones... | ||
| The ones who really love you. | ||
| They're so ride or die and, like, I'm so proud of them. | ||
| But, um... | ||
| I didn't even start doing my own social media. | ||
| My husband did my social media. | ||
| And so, all of a sudden, I get thrown into social media and how social media works when I'm at my most low, vulnerable- And you're reading all that shit? | ||
| I didn't know you're not supposed to. | ||
| I'm looking at it like investments, right? | ||
| I'm like, oh, here's the stock. | ||
| I'm going to put money into this stock and let's just see how it turned out. | ||
| Oh, that's funny. | ||
| And then I was like, oh. | ||
| And I think the first person that ever told me not to do that was Callan. | ||
| Like, later, he's like, never read the comments. | ||
| Brian Callan? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Yeah, Brian Callan doesn't read shit. | ||
| He's like, don't read the comments. | ||
| But I'm like, well, how will I know how I did? | ||
| He's like, just fucking know and hear. | ||
| Yeah, you'll know from your peers. | ||
| You'll know from your coaches. | ||
| And you'll know. | ||
| You'll know. | ||
| Well, I mean, it sucks when you know, like, six hours later you wrote some shit that people are taking wrong. | ||
| Or, I mean, it's like an opportunist situation. | ||
| They, like, wait for you to fuck up. | ||
| And they're like, oh, right there, right there. | ||
| I'm like, you know I didn't mean to say that. | ||
| Or, you know, that's not how I meant it or whatever. | ||
| It's hard because everybody's text looks the same. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The text that you would get. | ||
| From a Howie home or someone you respect versus the text that you get from some fat slob sitting there eating Cheetos, farting into their hands. | ||
| The same person. | ||
| It looks the same on text, but you're going to get some people that just want to hurt your feelings because they suck and their life is terrible. | ||
| Like, I've never met a hater that's doing great. | ||
| Like, there's no haters that are like, man, my fucking life is awesome. | ||
| But you know what I like doing? | ||
| I like going on YouTube and I just go make comments that are just trying to hurt someone's feelings. | ||
| I just try to cut them to the bone. | ||
| Say fucked up shit about dead relatives and what they did wrong. | ||
| Those people are all just losers. | ||
| Just fucking losers, you know? | ||
| I mean, there's just no way around it. | ||
| That's all they are. | ||
| It was so foreign to me because, I mean, in wrestling, like, I did wrestling, I did soccer, volleyball, swimming, like, I never, ever heard anyone be discouraging. | ||
| Like, no one ever came to me and was like, fuck you, you suck. | ||
| Yeah, because you wouldn't get that from someone who was a fan or someone, even if someone's from an opposing team and, like, she ain't shit, they're just saying that because they want to beat you. | ||
| You know, it's like, but the haters that you're dealing with online, they're just... | ||
| There's a lot. | ||
| Look, life is fucking complicated. | ||
| It's hard to get right. | ||
| And as you're seeing with your very difficult career, there's a lot of decisions to be made. | ||
| You can fuck it up. | ||
| You've got to build back up again. | ||
| And you're a smart person who's strong and successful. | ||
| For losers, life is impossible. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| And so they go through life just angry and depressed and sad and failing at everything they do, but they still have a phone. | ||
| Or they still have a laptop. | ||
| And like, you fucking cunt, you fucking loser. | ||
| And that's what you're getting. | ||
| That's what you're getting. | ||
| You're getting all that anger. | ||
| You don't even know this person. | ||
| Why are they angry at you? | ||
| Because they're angry at life. | ||
| Because life has fucked them in the ass. | ||
| That's why they're angry. | ||
| They're angry at life because... | ||
| They got dealt a shit existence, right? | ||
| They have bad genetics. | ||
| They have a bad family. | ||
| They have a bad job. | ||
| They live in a bad neighborhood. | ||
| They have bad people around them. | ||
| They feel bad. | ||
| Everything's wrong, but they still get to talk. | ||
| They still get to talk shit, and they still get to type things, type mean things out. | ||
| That's why you can't read comments. | ||
| Because it's fucking hot. | ||
| The only thing you could do is inspire with your work, with what you do. | ||
| And you do that already. | ||
| You know, and you're a human being. | ||
| You're going to make mistakes, and you're going to do things right, and you're going to do things wrong, and you're going to have these epic moments, and you're going to have these failures. | ||
| Because that's just a part of doing things that are complicated. | ||
| But you can't read the comments. | ||
| You definitely can't take them to heart. | ||
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Noted. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Noted. | ||
| Got me good a couple of times. | ||
| Like, it'll fuck up your day. | ||
| Yeah, it can fuck up your day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can't let that happen. | ||
| It's sad because those people that are doing that, they're in pain. | ||
| That's the only reason why they would lash out at you like that. | ||
| They go, no, I'm just telling the truth. | ||
| You just can't handle the truth. | ||
| Even if it was the truth. | ||
| The way in which people say it and the reason why they're saying it is because they want to hurt your feelings. | ||
| They're not being kind. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of that going on today. | ||
| I mean, even in the media, the way people tell stories and write stories and write articles about people, it's like they're not... | ||
| It's not just that they're trying to tell the facts and explain what's happening. | ||
| They're trying to cut people down and hurt people. | ||
| And I wonder how much of it has to do with the fact that our fucking president does that. | ||
| Because it seems more prevalent now than ever before. | ||
| It seems like there's a trend. | ||
| And I think a lot of One of the things about the president, whoever the president is, is there's some people that are not going to listen to anything he says, but there's a certain amount of people that are going to take his actions and use it as almost like a barometer. | ||
| An example, yeah. | ||
| An example of how they should behave and how this country behaves. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| He's the top dog. | ||
| And when the top dog is insulting people all the time and saying shitty things... | ||
| And still can be successful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It lets people know, you want to get ahead? | ||
| You want to get ahead? | ||
| You got to do it like him. | ||
| And then they go out and act like assholes too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| You go down to San Diego, and what are they doing for you that gets you off of the antidepressants and gets you feeling better? | ||
| So, again, you get in there, and it's scary to go. | ||
| Again, like I said, there's all these different people in there. | ||
| The man found the research on it by treating his own autistic kid, and you can see the before and after videos of this kid, and it's like, damn. | ||
| Okay, and then I brought my son in too because he has ADHD and he's off his medication now as well. | ||
| So going in there, they do an EEG first and they can tell which parts of your brain are firing at what hurts and seeing the congruencies and how all of that is happening or not happening. | ||
| And then they kind of prescribed these machines on your brain that make these electric impulses but they're magnetic to kind of speed up or slow down the different parts of your brain so if the front of your brain is moving slower than the back of your brain or whatever. | ||
| So, they're noticing, obviously, patterns with fighters, hockey players, football players, like people that are leading with their heads, basically. | ||
| And then with the veterans, there's emotional things, too. | ||
| Outbursts. | ||
| Having to compartmentalize as well. | ||
| Some of the shit they see should be upsetting. | ||
| But there's different ways that we can train our brain to drop things like that. | ||
| And then PTSD is when it's involuntary and it all comes in and that. | ||
| So... | ||
| You know, I've been diagnosed with PTSD. I had walked in there with medication because of being depressed and the anxiety and all of that. | ||
| Like, my symptoms were terrible. | ||
| And I know they're a combination of things, but even, like, my straddle reflex. | ||
| Like, you know, I could hear someone come walking around the corner, like, clack, clack, clack, hear their shoes. | ||
| But the second I'd see them, it would stop my heart for a second. | ||
| And that's, like, shit on your adrenal glands, you know? | ||
| And... | ||
| Um, all this stuff was, you know, an anxiety that, um, I don't know, it was hard to fall asleep at night. | ||
| Uh, you know, my memory was crap and this is all, you know, different stuff happening in all these other fighters that I know as well. | ||
| But I mean, like I said, I've been trying things so much, so much over the past few years that I get excited about and either it works or it doesn't. | ||
| And, um, the The point is now I found this and I feel better from this, but I was so excited about all these other things. | ||
| I can't just start telling everybody of the new thing that I found because I've said that and been excited about everything else. | ||
| What are the things you've been excited about? | ||
| Like, the Equoscope, it's like a... | ||
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What's that? | |
| It's a... | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| It's kind of like a TENS machine or a STEM machine, but like a super, super low frequency. | ||
| And that's badass, too. | ||
| Like, it helped on injuries. | ||
| Like, you know, if I rolled my ankle or hurt my toe, like, you could bring the swelling down from this to normal, essentially, in like an hour and a half, just working with this, like... | ||
| Tens unit on it and and I mean they they originally used it for racehorses and and for you know Super expensive million-dollar horses like the equipment they brought over. | ||
| It was like 90 grand and like like these really Specific like special metals that were put into these plates and you know they would do stuff like that But that wasn't working on my head It was working on injuries, and it was working on, I want to say it helped with, like, my digestive system, maybe, or my, I don't remember. | ||
| Some other things it was helping with, too, but what, you know, I started doing that, or I was doing that when I walked into Mindset and started doing that treatment. | ||
| And so what do they do at Mindset? | ||
| So you sit in a chair, you know, and they put this prescription in this machine, and the machine has kind of got like an arm that goes on a specific part of your brain, and you close your eyes and it sends these magnetic pulses into your head. | ||
| And, I mean, you don't feel anything. | ||
| It's almost like you can hear what it feels like. | ||
| I don't know how to describe it. | ||
| It's a sense. | ||
| It's sensual, but it's not exactly hearing and it's not exactly feeling. | ||
| But you can tell something's happening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I mean, you leave the place after your treatment. | ||
| I would go twice a day. | ||
| It's 45 minutes away, both ways. | ||
| So I'm driving a lot every day to go to do this because I want to give it a fair shot. | ||
| You do it every day? | ||
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I do. | |
| Every day. | ||
| I haven't gone these past couple weeks because stuff with my kids' schedule, school is almost out, and then wanting to try out different things, different coaches as far as these new disciplines go. | ||
| So I haven't been there as much. | ||
| But yeah, for the last August, I believe, is when I was really, really getting into it and going twice a day. | ||
| 45 minutes each way, twice a day. | ||
| Twice a day? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you would spend 45 minutes... | ||
| One way. | ||
| One way, go back, and then go back again, and then go back. | ||
| Why don't you just fucking move closer to where the place is? | ||
| Because Alliance was down there. | ||
| And so I would drop my kid off at school, I would run, and then I would go there, I would do my treatment, I'd go back to practice down in southern San Diego, then I'd get my son, and then we'd go up there for the afternoon session. | ||
| And then I'd come back down and we'd go to his sports and then I'd have my second two-a-day. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| That does not leave a lot of free time for Kat Zingano. | ||
| Oh, hell no. | ||
| Oh, hell no. | ||
| Just that alone could be stressful and all that fucking driving. | ||
| But I was seeing the results. | ||
| That was the crazy thing is I was feeling better. | ||
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So tell me what happened. | |
| What did the results feel like? | ||
| When I just walked in like... | ||
| God, I couldn't sleep. | ||
| I had just anxiety. | ||
| I had that startle effect going. | ||
| My memory was shit. | ||
| And these are all things that I went to the UFC PI to talk to them about. | ||
| Because I'm like, I don't know what to do. | ||
| They offered me to fight Chris Cyborg at 145. That's more of the same. | ||
| Yeah, and I was like, well, like, hell yeah, let's take that, but, like, can you guys at least help me get this shit figured out first, please? | ||
| You know, and they're like, sure. | ||
| So, Duncan French, he's at the... | ||
| So he went to college and was at Notre Dame using this treatment with the doctor, Kevin Murphy, that runs the mindset. | ||
| So he was like, this guy is doing a lot of things with people as far as brain health. | ||
| He's like, go see them when you get back to San Diego. | ||
| It's kind of far from you, but give it a shot, Kat. | ||
| I called the guy. | ||
| I'm on the phone. | ||
| Super frustrated. | ||
| Super emotional. | ||
| I'm at my wit's end. | ||
| I've tried everything I can think of. | ||
| Holistic views. | ||
| Chemical views. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Spending money out of my pocket trying to figure this out. | ||
| None of this is covered by the UFC. Especially because it's not something I claimed in a fight. | ||
| I fought Amanda... | ||
| And if you don't claim that stuff within the 30 days, you're on your own. | ||
| And of course my head hurt. | ||
| Of course I'm dizzy. | ||
| Of course the lights are bright. | ||
| Of course I can't think right. | ||
| I got in a fist fight. | ||
| And I wasn't doing good in it for a while. | ||
| So I figured. | ||
| But then a month and a half, two months out, when I wasn't better, it's like... | ||
| So even though it clearly came from that fight, you still don't get covered? | ||
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Mm-mm. | |
| What? | ||
| Well, and it's endocrine stuff too. | ||
| And it's like, there's very... | ||
| How could they dispute that that's where it came from, though? | ||
| You go, hey, sit down. | ||
| I want you to watch something. | ||
| And just play that first round. | ||
| Go, what the fuck do you think happened? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But, I mean, if you play that video for them, if anybody in the insurance business was denying you coverage, saying that it didn't happen while you were under the banner of the UFC, like, you're out of your fucking mind. | ||
| Watch that video. | ||
| What do you think is happening while this fucking assassin is throwing bombs at your face? | ||
| I mean, that is crazy that that's not covered. | ||
| That makes me sick. | ||
| Oh, it's frustrating because literally you look at the papers, like it cost me more to fight than I make. | ||
| Listen, it might make sense if it was dealing with a broken hand or a torn ligament or something like that. | ||
| It might make sense. | ||
| It might. | ||
| It does not make any fucking sense if you're talking about brain injuries. | ||
| Because anybody who understands how brain injuries work know that there's a considerable amount of time after a fight where you still are suffering from symptoms. | ||
| And you might decide 30 days later, 60 days later, 90 days later, you've got to do something about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, now I know. | ||
| Now I come out of a fight and I'm like, my pinky hurts, my elbow hurts, my hair hurts, my eyebrow hurts. | ||
| Like, we're going to claim all of this, you know? | ||
| Because before I was just being tough, you know? | ||
| Yeah, but that's what fighters do. | ||
| This is why it's so crazy. | ||
| And I didn't get it and I didn't know. | ||
| And then... | ||
| But they should know. | ||
| If they're in the business of insuring fighters, they should have a larger window where people can claim head injuries. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It kind of goes together with any kind of mental anything. | ||
| You talk about mental illness, you talk about head injuries, you talk about TBI, it all goes into that stigma of you can't see it, so it must not be real. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| But that's the head injury business. | ||
| I mean, basically... | ||
| The point is to make them drop and be done. | ||
| I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world to win with a body kick or an arm bar, but the reality is what people like is to see head injuries. | ||
| We're in the head injury business. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So, how long after you starting with this treatment do you start to see results? | ||
| So, the first... | ||
| I would say... | ||
| The first thing I noticed was my motor skills in practice. | ||
| So, you know, I would go... | ||
| So you think your motor skills were impaired? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I just feel like I had a block. | ||
| Like I said, it was comical. | ||
| And, I mean, you can even ask them at Alliance. | ||
| And it was funny. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| But not. | ||
| To have, like, we're in class. | ||
| You know, we're learning. | ||
| I'm watching the coaches. | ||
| Like, they do a drill. | ||
| And they explain it, and they look up, alright, everybody ready? | ||
| Ready? | ||
| One, two, three, go! | ||
| And we clap, and I have no fucking idea what we're doing. | ||
| We walk off, and there was even a couple of times where they clap, and they're like, Kat, what are we doing? | ||
| And I'm like, three kick? | ||
| And they're like, no, 20 push-ups. | ||
| And I'm like, man, I'm not just a bad kid talking and not listening. | ||
| I'm in trouble because I don't hear you. | ||
| I can not lose eye contact the whole time, sit here and I'm focused. | ||
| But it's not going in. | ||
| No, I'm not retaining it. | ||
| It has to be the last thing that they do. | ||
| We can't talk about shit. | ||
| If it's the last thing I see, I can go do it. | ||
| I could go do it. | ||
| But if they're like, alright, and then they explain some philosophy about it or do some movement or whatever, then I lose what we're doing. | ||
| My mind would just go right to something else. | ||
| I had a very hard time concentrating. | ||
| You know, it's crazy because when I got to this facility, you know, I didn't know... | ||
| I didn't necessarily know what I was walking into, but they have you do this questionnaire. | ||
| And, like, on this questionnaire is, like, all of these things. | ||
| I'm like, that's part of something. | ||
| Like, me not being able to focus, that's part of something. | ||
| My sleep, that's part of something. | ||
| This startle effect is part of something. | ||
| Like, me having these, like, completely, like, specific things that are all on this was like, damn, okay. | ||
| Like, I didn't even want to see the EEG because I was scared, you know? | ||
| I was like... | ||
| What if you can't fix me and now I know all the shit that's wrong with me? | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| But then they show you different EEGs and they take it every single week. | ||
| And so you actually get to see it and you get to see the level that you were functioning at, especially the different parts of your brain. | ||
| And the thing that's awesome about this is you get to keep the results. | ||
| Unless you go do exactly what you did and go fuck it up again, you get to keep it. | ||
| It's not like this maintenance package, which is a problem for these pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| There's not a whole lot of retention on it because once people get their brains functioning, as long as you're not sitting there hitting your head against the wall, you get to keep feeling better. | ||
| These veterans get to go back to To combat or whatever it is their job is. | ||
| We fighters get to go back. | ||
| Football players get to go back. | ||
| I sat in with the Chargers medical staff and talked about our stuff there as well. | ||
| I don't even remember who else. | ||
| There was people from all over the country coming in asking about this and needing to sit in and they're looking at these EEGs in particular. | ||
| So what is it doing? | ||
| How is it fixing you? | ||
| So one, I think, you know, there's something with what goes on in your brain with with the thyroid stuff with the endocrine stuff is like getting your damage to your hypothalamus, right? | ||
| And that's like, That kind of directs all of the information that goes to your thyroid. | ||
| Your thyroid then sends out everything to your body. | ||
| When there's a disconnect there, it screws everything up. | ||
| And then on top of it, now that we're cutting the same weight we've always had to cut, but we don't get IVs, you cannot... | ||
| 100% rehydrate your brain within 45 or 48 hours like you can get your body decently hydrated I believe but your brain is just it's its own thing you know and so now we don't have IVs our hydraulic system in our brain is down and now we're rattling it even more like dehydrated I mean we're just gonna have you know bigger side effects to our brains being dehydrated with that now The damage that comes to the hypothalamus, | ||
| to the pituitary, to your thyroid, all of that that goes on there, they're saying that you can get it firing back at a level that it was before it got hurt. | ||
| As long as the cells are still alive in it, they can re-energize those cells. | ||
| Now, if you have just a dead part of your brain, they're not bringing it back to life, but they can... | ||
| Use these magnets to kind of fluff them back up, give them back their energy, their life, and put them back into a functional way that was something similar to you at your healthiest. | ||
| And make it, I mean, not more or less durable, just back- When you were saying motor skills, that's one of the things that they see in fighters that have taken too many shots. | ||
| They analyze fighters' gaits and one of the things that happens is your legs get closer together, your balance is off, your steps are shorter, you don't have that sort of dynamic fluid motion to your body and you're having a harder time with balance and just motor skills. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So how I felt before going into there was all I had was a gas pedal. | ||
| I was like, just will, you know, and just fuck them, you know, just because I wasn't reading patterns of people anymore. | ||
| Like if someone leans this way a little bit, I'm like, oh, okay, I know what you're thinking. | ||
| Like if they step this way or that way and even me juking them and like trying to like faint at them, like... | ||
| I couldn't even see the reaction I was making them make. | ||
| I knew what motions in my muscular memory to make them do, but I wasn't getting the feedback because it just wasn't... | ||
| So that was one of the first things I noticed was going back into practice and watching people's angles and beating them to it and remembering. | ||
| I'm like, damn, I don't just have to shoot to shoot. | ||
| I can wait and do it when it's the right time. | ||
| Or I can even... | ||
| Take advantage of the fact that I'm making them step back or I can flash fire in their face and jump on them at their knee-jerk reaction. | ||
| These things of being able to manipulate the situation and make them adjust to me. | ||
| I could see that again. | ||
| So what were you seeing before? | ||
| I just had go. | ||
| All I had was go. | ||
| You didn't see movement? | ||
| Like say if someone was going to spin and they're like loaded up their hips, you didn't see that? | ||
| No, it was just hit them first. | ||
| What were you seeing? | ||
| All I saw was get there first. | ||
| All I saw was close the distance, don't get hit in the head, get down, get low, and just be a linebacker. | ||
| And hit them because I knew I wasn't seeing that stuff. | ||
| And the more I tried to see it, The more I would just sit there and wear it because I'm like, any minute now, any minute now, I'm going to catch the pattern. | ||
| I'm going to catch the pattern. | ||
| But it wasn't there for you. | ||
| And it wasn't popping up. | ||
| So then all I had was just tap. | ||
| So even if you were just like super light sparring, just moving around, you didn't see it? | ||
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No. | |
| No, not really, no. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fucking terrifying. | ||
| I was like, yeah, it was really scary. | ||
| And I'd even get to a good position in jiu-jitsu and I'd be like, I know I know stuff here. | ||
| I know I know stuff here. | ||
| But you didn't know what to do. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| I know I know stuff. | ||
| But it wasn't, especially with adrenaline firing, it wasn't just happening for me. | ||
| And so three, four weeks into that, all of a sudden that fog was starting to go down a bit. | ||
| Part of it was, and I'm also sleeping better. | ||
| Were you skeptical before, during the first week? | ||
| Oh yeah, because every fucking person I went to could fix me. | ||
| Right, and you're driving 45 minutes, like what the fuck am I doing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a car I leased. | ||
| So all those miles, you know, it's like, damn. | ||
| And it's a... | ||
| It's super frustrating. | ||
| Yes, everyone can fix me. | ||
| Everyone can fix me. | ||
| And then they don't. | ||
| And then my heart's broken again. | ||
| And then I go to the next one and then my heart's broken again. | ||
| And then the next one. | ||
| So this one, I'm like, I'm not even going to tell people about this because I'm sick of fucking hitting up people and being excited about it and telling them to come with me and then it doesn't work and then I'm that guy again. | ||
| You know, and so going into this and then watching it work and then seeing all the other people it was working for in there that and they were never trying to push me to promote it. | ||
| They were like just come in just get here, you know, and and if you like it then tell the because the UFC was talking about getting one of the machines at the PI and they're kind of gonna have me be like a guinea pig for it. | ||
| Ian McCall went in there too, but it didn't like he he was doing his own kind of I don't think he was coming in often. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So I think, and the thing is, is that it does stir shit up, right? | ||
| So like, they mess with your, the levels because again, they have to like, if the back of your brain's running at four hertz and, okay, eight is technically where like you're sleeping, There's part of your brain that could be under your resting hertz, right? | ||
| While the front of your brain is running at 12. So that's like high anxiety, but like low energy. | ||
| And they can almost tell you how you've been feeling lately, which was like... | ||
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Wow. | |
| Nuts to me, right? | ||
| And they can tell, you know, because of this and this, that you have some OCD tendencies versus this person constantly feels like they have no energy and their memory isn't working and they're emotionally incapable of, like, being in, you know, being a positive force in a relationship right now because they don't have it. | ||
| So they could read your brain like that? | ||
| Damn, I need to get my fucking brain checked out. | ||
| You should. | ||
| You should. | ||
| It's scary, though, because, like, when you see that, like, little, like, in there, you're like, what's that? | ||
| But for me, that's a two-hour drive. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| I don't know if they have anything up here. | ||
| I know that they have a bunch all over. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
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This is what it's called. | |
| The website's not coming up. | ||
| Personalized Repetitive Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, a Non-Invasive Therapeutic Approach to the Treatment of PTSD and Other Neurocognitive Disorders. | ||
| Kevin T. Murphy, MD, Vice Chair, Department of Radiation and Medicine, Applied Sciences, UC San Diego, Director... | ||
| Pediatric Radiation Oncology Program, Rady Children's Hospital San Diego. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that's where you're going. | ||
| And, I mean, obviously, during this whole thing, you have to be questioning what you do for a living. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, and it's like, okay, so they can fix this. | ||
| Say they fix it, and then I go do it again, you know? | ||
| Well, you're gonna fight Cyborg, right? | ||
| I mean, you were thinking about fixing it, and you were going from one girl who hits like a dude to another girl who might hit like a bigger dude. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, Cyborg's fucking terrifying. | ||
| And it's like, I know at my healthiest... | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Like, no problem. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| Like, I believe in myself like that. | ||
| Like, I can figure them out, especially and find a way to not get hit doing it. | ||
| Like, I didn't get hit in my MMA career significant hit. | ||
| Not one significant, significant hit until Amanda. | ||
| And then after that, I was getting fucking lit up. | ||
| And not even that, even Juliana, she kind of open hand bitch slapped me a little bit from the sides. | ||
| But I can find a way to still control it enough to be very effective without taking too much damage. | ||
| But that slow of my motor skills, my mechanics, it was really bothering me. | ||
| And that's not how you go fight someone like Cyborg. | ||
| You don't go in there with that weight in your pocket. | ||
| It's so important that you're talking about this, because this is such a factor that we don't see. | ||
| On the outside, other people. | ||
| Other people than the people that are really close to you that you talk to about these things. | ||
| Like if we were seeing you fight, and when we see the decline of certain fighters, you see certain fighters, they're in a couple really hard fights, and then you see a decline, like a real obvious decline in their skills and their abilities. | ||
| Very, very rarely are they opening up about what's going on, about losing memory, about not being able to see patterns in people, about not having their motor skills in tune anymore, that things are off. | ||
| So you talking about this, I think, it's so important. | ||
| And it's so important for young fighters to recognize, like, hey, this is also on the table. | ||
| Here's a great therapy for it, but this is also a possibility of, you know, if you do fight, Fucking killer like Amanda Nunes. | ||
| This is one of the things that can happen to you. | ||
| Well, and it's partially because I have man I have teammates. | ||
| Yeah, I have people that are ten times worse than me that are just like I Mean the stuff I hear the stuff I see it's it's sad and it's scary and they have kids And they're not going anywhere soon, you know, I mean and they're passing their MRIs Right, you know, I mean like the past their MRIs because what does the MRI really see? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But if they went to this place and got all their brain mapped out and find out how everything is firing, it might be a completely different result. | ||
| Like, we might be retiring people way earlier, at least forcing them into therapy way earlier. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| It's like the risk needs to be worth the reward. | ||
| And, you know, like right now in this world, it's juvenile and it's not getting us like this kind of like... | ||
| I can't afford to take another two years off because I went and I fought cyborg while I'm sick and something bad happens to me. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I want to be sharp and if that means I have to take the time I took off and get healthy and do all these different therapies, conservative, traditional, non-traditional, all of that, so I can feel the way I feel now. | ||
| I'm pumped. | ||
| And I'm excited. | ||
| But that is something that I really want to know that people know they can go do. | ||
| And it's not vulnerable. | ||
| It's not saying you're weak. | ||
| It's not something wrong with you. | ||
| It's your health and your longevity and your future. | ||
| Because that shit, if you don't treat it, it doesn't get better. | ||
| And you don't understand the depression. | ||
| You don't understand... | ||
| And there's an identity that goes away with that. | ||
| Like, seeming like you failed or you can't do it anymore or whatever, like, that mental health aspect that comes with the physical health of your brain, like, that all needs to be more educated as far as these fighters go, as far as all of it goes. | ||
| Like, I'm happy to be the guinea pig because I'm, damn, I just want to see everybody okay, you know? | ||
| Well, I'm happy that you're talking about it, but it's been something that, you know, I've talked about quite a bit and the real problems behind traumatic brain injuries because I've had a bunch of experts and I've talked to a bunch of neurologists and I've talked to neuroscientists and people that are really studying this stuff and I've been real vocal about it and it's a tricky situation because obviously I'm a commentator, | ||
| but like When someone gets knocked out, I'm very vocal about them taking a long time off. | ||
| And it was one of the things that happened after Rhonda got knocked out by Holly. | ||
| They were talking about getting her back within like, it was like four or five months later to fight again. | ||
| And I was like, they were going to have a rematch with Holly. | ||
| I'm like, you guys are fucking crazy. | ||
| Like, you're crazy. | ||
| She shouldn't be doing anything. | ||
| She shouldn't be getting hit. | ||
| She shouldn't be sparring. | ||
| She shouldn't be getting her head rattled. | ||
| And she definitely shouldn't be fighting Holly fucking home who just kicked her into another dimension five months later or whatever it was, six months later. | ||
| I'm like, there's no way. | ||
| This should not be happening. | ||
| You don't even know what's going on yet. | ||
| You don't even know what kind of damage. | ||
| I mean, think of what happened with you and Amanda. | ||
| You stayed conscious, at least. | ||
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| I mean, Rhonda got fucking flatlined and then got hammer-fisted in the head while she was flatlined. | ||
| It was one of the most brutal knockouts in women's MMA ever. | ||
| And you saw when she came back and fought Amanda and got hit, like, right away. | ||
| That hesitation. | ||
| Oh, she was just stiffened up and the fear. | ||
| And then also... | ||
| Amanda, I felt, even before the Holly Holm fight, I felt like Amanda was the more dangerous fight for her because of her hands. | ||
| Because Rhonda's always in this position where she's closing the gap. | ||
| She's getting close to you because she wants to clinch up with you and throw you and take you to the ground and armbar you and what have you. | ||
| But with Amanda, you're dealing with a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt who knocks people fucking dead with one punch. | ||
| Like, it's a terrible matchup, I felt. | ||
| Obviously that proved to be true, but what drove me crazy was how dismissive all these people behind the scenes were. | ||
| All these agents and Hollywood people and all these people that just have no idea what business they're in. | ||
| They really don't even understand this business. | ||
| It's basically the business, like we said, of head injuries. | ||
| And you're trying to sell this thing where you're dealing with someone who had a fucking significant head injury. | ||
| And now you're pushing them back in there with someone who's really good at delivering head injuries. | ||
| And is this really all been mapped out? | ||
| I mean, what kind of training has changed? | ||
| Is she still with the same coach? | ||
| Has she done anything differently? | ||
| What result is going to be different? | ||
| The downplaying of the significance of a fucking ruthless knockout like that, I just don't think can be understated. | ||
| I think people should take a long time off when they get knocked out like that. | ||
| A long time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, and I mean, especially some sort of invasive treatment from out the gates or something like that. | ||
| They should be looked at. | ||
| They should be studied. | ||
| I mean, I know they put a flashlight in your eyes and ask you if you're okay, send you to the doctor, do whatever, but I mean, like, and I think, honestly, that's what the UFC's, like, effort was in this, in offering this information of this treatment to me was to see, like, hey, is this something that would benefit fighters in a situation like that? | ||
| It's at the PI. It's not at the PI, but what they were saying is it would be at the PI. Still, but the trick with it is that it is something you need to go to and you need to go to twice a day and have that, like, schedule of it and that routine of it. | ||
| But us as fighters, like, flying to only Vegas for it and paying our own room and board our own flight, potentially having to fly our coaches in to have to, you know, keep us working and doing whatever while we're working. | ||
| I mean, it's just, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| It's just tricky business, you know? | ||
| It's a real tricky business. | ||
| And how old are you now? | ||
| 35. Do you wonder how much longer you're going to do this? | ||
| I feel like I got a good couple years left. | ||
| I'm still having fun. | ||
| The chess of it is still fun. | ||
| The training is still fun. | ||
| I'm still learning and enjoying it. | ||
| Getting through everything that I'm getting through and learning everything that I'm learning is so inspiring to me because I definitely don't feel done. | ||
| I still have so much fight in my heart. | ||
| And I really love putting my hands on people and always advancing and improving. | ||
| And the day I stop improving, then I can look at that. | ||
| But right now, I don't care about plan B. I don't care about what's next because that's not what's happening. | ||
| So your passion for doing is still there. | ||
| Yeah, and the purpose. | ||
| The passion is huge. | ||
| I love the passion. | ||
| That, to me, is huge. | ||
| But the purpose, the bigger picture, what I'm doing here, what I was born to do, what I was born to get through. | ||
| I have to get through this. | ||
| I want to get through this, and I'm getting through this, and I'm watching myself. | ||
| And that is like... | ||
| It's badass to me. | ||
| It's exciting to me. | ||
| It's what I'm doing here. | ||
| I'm all in. | ||
| I can just make things for myself that I get to show myself every single day that no one could have ever told me. | ||
| It's all stuff that I know firsthand from my experience, from my world, from me trying things, from me risking things, all of that. | ||
| To understand myself and to know myself, it's been the biggest reward out of all of this. | ||
| To know yourself through the struggles and know yourself through the fights. | ||
| Yeah, all of it. | ||
| I mean, and like even how much you get to learn just even going into a fight, right? | ||
| Like realizing, so going into a fight, being on antidepressants, like, okay, I'll wake up, I'll wake up. | ||
| I don't know what this will do. | ||
| I feel flat. | ||
| I don't feel flat. | ||
| I'll be okay with these people there. | ||
| I won't be okay with these people here. | ||
| All of that is very clear about things that, like, this has my attention. | ||
| Whether I know it or not, that's something in my life that needs to be looked at, needs to be addressed. | ||
| Okay, there's direction. | ||
| Like, all I ever want is understanding and direction. | ||
| Like, I just want to know, you know? | ||
| And so, I get to deal with that. | ||
| That leads me to come to San Diego. | ||
| San Diego is a new chapter in my life that I get to name. | ||
| Also, for my kid and myself, I get to reveal so much to myself through trying different things and through letting life take me down the path that I'm supposed to without me sitting here freaking out about control, freaking out about things that I can do nothing about. | ||
| I just want to walk away from all of this. | ||
| Content and happy with how I did. | ||
| Whether that means I never have my hand raised again. | ||
| I don't think that's the case. | ||
| Like, beating these girls having the belt, that is not a pipe dream. | ||
| I already beat them. | ||
| You know, it's not like I'm incapable of that and I'm just wishing I got my fingers crossed. | ||
| You know, it's It's not that. | ||
| My whole journey of my life in sports from being a kid was to meet my highest best, to be my highest good. | ||
| And that is what's driven me the whole time. | ||
| I look at these girls and I respect them because they're here doing what I'm doing. | ||
| We're all just out here trying to be the best at it. | ||
| We're all trying to participate. | ||
| We're all trying to, you know... | ||
| Find ourselves in it and learn what we can learn and go implement it, you know? | ||
| And so for that, I have respect for every single one of them. | ||
| Some of them I like less than others. | ||
| Some of them I like more than others, you know? | ||
| But really, we're building this stage together. | ||
| We're doing this together, you know? | ||
| And I'm extremely proud to be part of something like this. | ||
| And my position in it and my purpose in it is to, you know, Find my personal good, my personal best. | ||
| And, you know, this has been an extremely long road for me. | ||
| Nothing has been easy, and I respect that. | ||
| Like, I'm grateful for that. | ||
| Like, all the things I know because of the hard times, like, I feel fortunate to know, you know? | ||
| And I would never have learned them any other way. | ||
| And I get to handle them. | ||
| And not only do I get to handle them, I get to, like... | ||
| Relate and understand people and see things differently because I get it. | ||
| You know, maybe not exactly word for word, pinpoint per... | ||
| pinpoint... | ||
| Ooh, I'm not even going to try to say that. | ||
| That was going to make me fall over. | ||
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Right. | |
| But, you know, it's all there and it all matters to me and how I get through this really, really matters to me because I know it matters to other people too. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And how they do inspires me as well. | ||
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Do you know what you're going to do when you stop? | |
| I just don't... | ||
| I mean, I feel like there's... | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| There's this awesome resume I'm building, right? | ||
| You know, like, I'm a UFC fighter. | ||
| I'm a national champion in wrestling. | ||
| Like, I'm... | ||
| I don't know, constantly advocating and working on myself and trying to help get other people working on themselves, too. | ||
| Like, I don't know what all that's going to look like. | ||
| And the thing is, I don't even want to. | ||
| I don't want to look. | ||
| I don't want to care about all that yet because that's not where I'm at. | ||
| And, like, I want to be all in here. | ||
| I don't want to think about what's next or plan B or how all of that because my heart is here. | ||
| You know, it's like, what are you going to do in your next marriage? | ||
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Right. | |
| That's a good point, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, right now I'm here and I'm doing what I'm doing. | ||
| I'm not looking towards what's next because right now I'm here. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Listen, that's what you want to hear from someone who's fighting. | ||
| I mean, fighting should be all in. | ||
| That is the only way to approach it. | ||
| If you're a fighter and you're also a neurosurgeon, a part-time real estate salesman, good fucking luck. | ||
| You don't have 100% to give everything. | ||
| You got one 100%. | ||
| Especially with something like fighting. | ||
| It's just such a crazy way to make a living. | ||
| You really have to be 100% committed to it. | ||
| It has to be your life. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And I appreciate the opportunity. | ||
| I like everything I'm doing right now. | ||
| And I feel like all of that will be part of what's next. | ||
| But that'll manifest. | ||
| That'll figure itself out. | ||
| I mean, not the hippie way of, oh, everything will be great, I'm sure. | ||
| When it's time, I'll look at that. | ||
| But right now, this is what I'm looking at. | ||
| Also, the kind of drive and discipline and work ethic that you showed to become a top-level MMA fighter and a national champion in wrestling, you could do anything with that. | ||
| And whatever you set your mind to. | ||
| I really truly believe that. | ||
| I mean, I think the biggest problem that fighters have when they retire is finding a thing to put their energy to and then their identity. | ||
| Because their identity is of a fighter. | ||
| And when that is taken away from them... | ||
| There's that and also the thrill. | ||
| I mean, you guys are experiencing a level of excitement and intensity. | ||
| Like, when you're talking about two weeks out, you're crying in the fetal position, going, what the fuck am I doing? | ||
| But that all... | ||
| It builds up to these moments, like that crazy primal scream after you stopped Amanda Nunes. | ||
| That's an experience that very few people, other than people who fight to the death, are feeling. | ||
| There's something that you guys are experiencing that, unless you're the person in the woods fighting over that bone, you really don't know. | ||
| And then for you to go to regular life after that, It's going to be hard. | ||
| And it's going to be hard for a lot of fighters. | ||
| It's very difficult for a lot of fighters to find another thing that excites them the way fighting excites them. | ||
| Because it's such a crazy pursuit. | ||
| And then on top of that, you're dealing with what you're dealing with. | ||
| But you're dealing with it publicly. | ||
| You're talking about it. | ||
| You're doing a great service to everybody when you're talking about your problems and your issues. | ||
| Because there's so many fighters that you know that are experiencing this and that I know that are experiencing this. | ||
| Anybody who's done any sort of martial arts competition and been in gyms, you're going to see people that have taken too many shots. | ||
| It's just part of the game. | ||
| What you're doing by talking about it so openly while you're still a top-level fighter is, I think, very, very important for everybody. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| I'm trying, man. | ||
| It's been a lot of trying things, but I do feel value in this. | ||
| And I mean exactly when people are done. | ||
| There's some pride in having to go get a 9 to 5 or whatever after being a fighter at this level. | ||
| Mind you, should you not have the fucking brain cells to be in like... | ||
| Like a high-functioning thing that you can be proud of, you know? | ||
| I mean, it can be really stressful to not live up to the capability that you know you have, but you're just not. | ||
| Like, there's that wall or that fog or whatever, you know? | ||
| So, I mean, I just think people maintaining themselves and doing everything they can, however vulnerable it feels, like, fuck it, do it. | ||
| Is it possible that they could spread this therapy across the country? | ||
| I mean, how big are these machines? | ||
| They have... | ||
| I mean, they look like... | ||
| So, they have... | ||
| I don't know if it's on some sort of route or whatever that people would need to be able to show up to or what, but I know they have one in Indiana. | ||
| I know they're going to have one in Colorado soon, I think relative to the training center. | ||
| And when you say mobile units, like how big are these mobile units and are they as effective as the one that you're going to? | ||
| It's a creeper van, you know, with like a little dish of candy in there. | ||
| Yeah, it's like you get in and it's the same exact chair, you know, and then they have their... | ||
| They're trained to nurse know where to put it on you. | ||
| And then even the EEG, it's a wireless EEG, so I know that every week they make you do the EEG relatively the same time so they can keep good track of what your brain is doing and how to prescribe the levels to be at what on your head. | ||
| And I think they have one in Arizona. | ||
| I know there's one in Texas. | ||
| I want to say there's 12 over the country, but I can't tell you where. | ||
| And the mobile one, I mean... | ||
| How big is this? | ||
| I mean, is this something that a gym could get? | ||
| Is it prohibitively expensive? | ||
| I want to say, again, I might be full of shit, but I think they're like $100,000 for the machine. | ||
| But I do know that insurance will cover it because insurance will cover it for migraine, PTSD, and autism, I think? | ||
| I think that insurance will cover up for that, but then TRICARE is also accepting them as insurance as well. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And so when they're doing this to you, and you said you got it in August, you started doing it, and you started seeing improvements after, you said, four weeks? | ||
| Four weeks was the first time I saw improvements and then the bigger improvements were coming later. | ||
| Does it keep getting better? | ||
| Is it better now than it was last month? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To the point where I'm okay not going for three or four weeks. | ||
| Like I said, these last few weeks have been all about me getting everything right to be in training camp right now. | ||
| So you feel right now like you felt before the Nunes fight? | ||
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Right. | |
| In the way I'm training, I'm having fun with it again. | ||
| I'm watching people. | ||
| I'm fucking with them. | ||
| I'll get them to step that way, and then I'll step that way. | ||
| That's got to be very satisfying. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Because it was gone for a while. | ||
| Yeah, it was gone. | ||
| That is the art to me, is the games and the playing and the, like, getting you to do this so I can do that. | ||
| And then, you know, like, that was what was fun. | ||
| Getting in a fight is not fun, right? | ||
| But the chess, that's what's fun. | ||
| The game, like... | ||
| Making the oohs and the aahs in the crowd happen because you know some gangster shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| That part's fun. | ||
| Going in and getting cut up and bloody and having headaches and your ankle hurts for a month. | ||
| It's not fun. | ||
| No one wants to do that on purpose. | ||
| I want to go in and do what I can and not get touched and then have it go on a highlight reel. | ||
| And that wasn't happening for a while. | ||
| And even on this last one, it was just like, man, I felt better. | ||
| I totally felt better. | ||
| But what I needed to change wasn't that. | ||
| That was fine. | ||
| What I need to change is other things that I'm changing, and I am. | ||
| And again, if that's how I have to learn it, cool. | ||
| But it's all part of the process. | ||
| At no second in this entire thing have I stopped believing in myself. | ||
| No second. | ||
| The only thing I worried about was like, is my son changing my diapers here in a few years if I keep doing this shit? | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| But I never stopped believing that this is what I'm meant to do right here, right now, and I have time. | ||
| And I have more fights, and I have everything it takes to go out and beat every single one of these girls, some of them again. | ||
| I do know. | ||
| Now, when you're in camp, how many days are you doing? | ||
| Two a days? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, some of them are, it'll be like, sometimes I'll have to add more cardio in the morning. | ||
| So, like, if there's faster cardio, if I'm heavy, you know, depending on how that goes, it's like a science, obviously. | ||
| Have you thought about 45? | ||
| Like, what do you walk around? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What do you walk around? | ||
| I can get all the way up to, like, I've been all the way up to 76, but that was before I didn't know. | ||
| That was when I didn't know I was hypothyroid. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So, I mean, I was eating like 600 calories a day and doing fasted cardio and two workouts and my weight wasn't changing. | ||
| My coaches were like, what the fuck's wrong with you? | ||
| I'm like, I don't know. | ||
| I guess the women in my family get kind of big. | ||
| So, shit, maybe it's just that Midwestern style hitting me now, you know? | ||
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Wow. | |
| But, no. | ||
| And then when I went and I got my panels done, like, everything was all screwed up, you know? | ||
| And this is post the Nunes fight. | ||
| Before the Nunes fight, what was the heaviest you got before then? | ||
| I never broke like 155, 152. Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I walked around like 140. I didn't even have to cut for Misha. | ||
| I woke up in the morning like just didn't eat breakfast. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And then now I'm a big mamma jamma. | ||
| Like, I look at food and I get fat. | ||
| It's so annoying. | ||
| But I don't hate it. | ||
| So do they have you on Armour Thyroid or something like that? | ||
| It's Levothyroxine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I take it every morning, like 15 minutes before I can eat anything. | ||
| You should look into Armour Thyroid. | ||
| It's a thyroid that's made from pig thyroid. | ||
| And apparently it's more bioavailable. | ||
| A lot of people have better results with it. | ||
| I wouldn't try it now just because I'm in camp, but maybe in between the next ones. | ||
| Yeah, I'm hypothyroid too. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it runs in my family. | ||
| Yeah, in my family too. | ||
| I didn't have a weight problem because I was working out a lot, but I was getting headaches. | ||
| And I went to a doctor to get a check. | ||
| At the end of the day, say around 7 o'clock at night, After dinner, I would be so tired that I just, like, I couldn't talk. | ||
| I just had to lie down. | ||
| I couldn't hear it. | ||
| I couldn't, like, I don't know if I can talk. | ||
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Boom! | |
| And I'd go out. | ||
| And it was like, God, these headaches are weird. | ||
| Like, this is, it didn't seem, it didn't seem normal. | ||
| Like, the late, I guess it was, like, after dinner headaches. | ||
| Like, right before bed, it was just... | ||
| It was not a normal exhaustion. | ||
| I started getting nervous about it. | ||
| And then when I got it checked out, it made sense. | ||
| My mom has it. | ||
| My sister has it. | ||
| It runs in our family. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if it's that genetic for my family, but... | ||
| You think it's from the head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it was right away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was on set. | ||
| And then, you know, then you do these MRIs and you do all of this other stuff. | ||
| And it's like, all right, well, there's where your head hurts and there's what's wrong. | ||
| And, you know, so, I mean, it was just, it's all too perfect, you know. | ||
| Who puts together your camps? | ||
| Who decides what you're going to do as far as how much work you're going to do, what kind of training you're going to do, whether you're going to do sparring, whether you're going to do... | ||
| So this training camp, I'm outsourcing different things. | ||
| So I have... | ||
| I talked to Eric Del Fiero about it and like I said I wanted to outsource the Jiu Jitsu and the Muay Thai and those are gonna in itself take so much time right and then my strength and conditioning I'm doing with Chad Macias he's badass so my strength and conditioning coach Lauren Landau do you know who he is in Colorado so he's like Family to me. | ||
| He's been there for everything. | ||
| I don't even know when he got there, but he was always there. | ||
| He told me about Chad. | ||
| And so I started doing strength and conditioning with him. | ||
| I'm going to do that three days a week. | ||
| And then I know that I want to get working with the more traditional Muay Thai again. | ||
| So I'm working with John X two days a week. | ||
| And I think he's going to arrange my sparring as well. | ||
| And then Andre Galval, I'm going to try to work two or three days a week. | ||
| And then, so I handed all of that information to Lauren Landau. | ||
| And my other coach, my nutritionist, is Josh Ford. | ||
| Have you seen him before? | ||
| He's got like a tattoo goatee on his face. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's been doing my nutrition and he's known me since all I did was jujitsu. | ||
| You know, so he's been around. | ||
| He knows my style. | ||
| He knows... | ||
| Me as a crazy fighter and all of that. | ||
| Between Lauren Lando and Josh Ford, they're putting it together based off of what they've seen out of me in the past. | ||
| But if you're going to jiu-jitsu and you're doing a lot of jiu-jitsu training and then you're going to Muay Thai and doing Muay Thai training, when do you get together and do MMA training? | ||
| That'll be the sparring days and then there'll be a light sparse kind of drill day in the middle in there too. | ||
| So are you sparring Muay Thai and then sparring MMA? No, I'm going to be sparring MMA. So that'll be where I mix together. | ||
| And that's kind of how I like it too. | ||
| I like doing the disciplines separate and then me finding where to put them in. | ||
| And a lot of times that's where my freestyle wrestling just ties it all together. | ||
| So your Muay Thai training would basically just be technique, drills, pads? | ||
| Timing, ninja moves, all that. | ||
| Ninja moves? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then jujitsu, are you going gi or no gi? | ||
| I did no gi, or I did gi for like the past four weeks, and fuck, man. | ||
| Shit hurts your feelings. | ||
| But then obviously it's more practical to do the no-gi. | ||
| And now they took the gi off of me. | ||
| And man, I'm like a thousand miles an hour. | ||
| I'm so happy with myself. | ||
| Slippery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I'm like, you can't grab my shirt. | |
| And what about wrestling? | ||
| Are you doing any wrestling training? | ||
| That part, I still got to figure out down in San Diego. | ||
| I want a freestyle wrestler. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| I got a great shot. | ||
| I'm good at shots and whatever, but I'm way more about throws. | ||
| I like... | ||
| They're so much more efficient for me. | ||
| I got awesome hips for them. | ||
| And it's just like, man, they're high risk, high reward, but it's my funky style. | ||
| I just get them done. | ||
| And it's so much less effort. | ||
| When you toss someone over their head on the ground and they don't know where they are for a minute, there's so much to capitalize on there with the equilibrium just off. | ||
| And those are things I like, I count on. | ||
| So I need to find that freestyle situation. | ||
| I have good freestyle wrestling myself, but obviously it's good to stay on top of those. | ||
| It's my strength, but I need to keep my strength strong, so I'm looking. | ||
| I'm going to make that happen. | ||
| So what do you walk around at right now? | ||
| I'm like 155, 156, 7. So 45 is a possibility. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I've wanted to go there as well. | ||
| I mean, like I said, not having that fluid on our brains when we fight kind of bugs me. | ||
| Like, if I can walk down at 145 and eat breakfast, like, I mean, I won't. | ||
| Like, eating clean, eating right, everything perfect, I'm 155. Yeah, because I watched one of the... | ||
| They had a video of Cyborg cutting weight to make 140. Remember? | ||
| Which didn't make any sense. | ||
| There wasn't even a weight class for 140. Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck they were doing with her. | ||
| They were trying to prime her for 135 or seeing if she could make 135. Yeah. | ||
| But she was like weeping and it looked like she was dying. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did she do the water cut in that one? | ||
| Like the bathtub? | ||
| Well, she did a lot of shit, but it was just hard to watch. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And she gets big, too. | ||
| She's huge. | ||
| I'm friends with Ray LB, who's her boyfriend, and he hit me up when I was supposed to fight Rhonda. | ||
| They were hitting me up during my training camp, like, hey, because I think obviously they have beef, and I think they wanted it to be kind of political, but I'm just nodding to that. | ||
| But they were like, hey, how about Chris? | ||
| Do you have any girl training partners? | ||
| How about Chris come train with you to get ready for Rhonda? | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| Oh, maybe. | ||
| I mean, how big is she? | ||
| And they're like, 182, 183. I'm like, what? | ||
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What? | |
| How does that help me? | ||
| That's another big motherfucker on me. | ||
| 180. Oh, God. | ||
| I'm like, I'm thanks, but I got Neil Magny right there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Drew Dover, like these things. | ||
| Those guys are 182. Yeah, I'm not paying her hotel. | ||
| She's so fucking big. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| I mean, she really should probably be fighting 165. Yeah. | ||
| And there's a 55, you know, coming, hopefully. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, I just don't know. | ||
| I mean, there's only so many 45s. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I mean, she's obviously got the belt at 45, but I think even 45 is a brutal struggle for her. | ||
| And, you know, as you said, you could only do that so many times. | ||
| It's taking a little bit of your life every time you do that. | ||
| You know, you're chipping away at your organs. | ||
| And I just remember, like, I remember coming into MMA and, like, I used to cut to 125. Like, dying. | ||
| Dying. | ||
| So I wanted to be ranked number one at 125. That was my goal before I moved up. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| I was ranked number one there. | ||
| Beat everybody I could beat. | ||
| And then it was just kind of like... | ||
| The last time I made 125, I fought a girl named Takeo Hashi from Japan. | ||
| And... | ||
| I remember it was like last minute because I was supposed to fight a girl. | ||
| Something happened to her and then they replaced her with Takeo. | ||
| And I just remember being so happy that we were at altitude because I was like, I think I had a heat stroke at the water cut, like the bathtub cut because I was in the water for like 20 minutes, and I remember at 10 minutes, I was like, something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong, and they're like, you have to stay. | ||
| You have to stay. | ||
| And so, at the 20-minute line, I dove like a salmon out of the water, and I passed out on my floor, and gave no shits that my manager's there, and I'm naked, and I don't know, I'm out, to the point where they're doing the knuckle rub on my sternum to try to get me up. | ||
| Knuckle rub on your sternum? | ||
| Yeah, you know, trying to wake you up. | ||
| That's how they wake you up? | ||
| By hurting your sternum? | ||
| Yeah, because it's like something with the nerves here will hit your adrenaline and wake you up. | ||
| Jesus Christ, that's so bad. | ||
| So I'm up and I'm like, your hands and arms are tingling and everything because you're waking up. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't want to get back in that bathtub. | ||
| Put the sauna suit on me. | ||
| Put it on me. | ||
| Health-wise, I was not okay, but I'm not getting back in there. | ||
| So, they put the sauna suit on me. | ||
| My hands are, like, freaking out, like, doing this weird, shaky, like, T-Rex arm thing. | ||
| And cramping so bad. | ||
| And my feet were doing the same thing. | ||
| But it was like, like, they had to cover me in the blankets and put all of the stuff on me to keep me hot. | ||
| Because I was not getting back in that hot tub. | ||
| Or the bathtub. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| It was terrible. | ||
| And after that, like, I remember I felt it in the fight. | ||
| And I was like, I'm so glad we're at altitude. | ||
| Because I feel horrible. | ||
| Like, I can't do this again. | ||
| And then I went up to 35. Jesus Christ. | ||
| It is the worst part of fighting. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| And it's so unnecessary. | ||
| There's got to be... | ||
| I mean, what 1FC is doing, they've got some... | ||
| They're eliminating weight cuts by doing hydration tests and testing people several times during camp, finding out what you weigh, finding out what your actual weight is. | ||
| And Ben Askren went into the way they're doing it in detail when I did a podcast with him. | ||
| But that seems to be the way. | ||
| And they made everybody move up a weight class, essentially. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, and that's the thing is, okay, like, contracts can still exist, but maybe you're just contracted as a fighter and you have to fight certain amounts of time a year or whatever, but to have people contracted to weight classes is, like, it's hurting the sport, and it's obviously hurting fighters individually as well, but, like... | ||
| It's just unnecessary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What you should do is fight. | ||
| I mean, I think there should be more weight classes. | ||
| There should be more weight classes, so there's more opportunities. | ||
| And you should be fighting what you are when you're healthy. | ||
| It's hard enough to fight. | ||
| And I think especially because the sport is... | ||
| I mean, it's very blatantly clear that this is not a bracketed sport. | ||
| Like, this is an entertainment sport. | ||
| Now, it's clear. | ||
| Like, we're doing what puts butts in the seats. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're doing what's best for the fans. | ||
| So at that point, what do these divisions really matter? | ||
| It's about the matchup. | ||
| You know, you can throw a belt on any fight these days. | ||
| So I think if we're going to evolve the sport to having entertaining fights or entertainment-type fights, we should just evolve the contracts to that as well. | ||
| Like, shit. | ||
| I mean, it'll still save the entertainment value. | ||
| Like, look, you can get... | ||
| Or catch weights even. | ||
| What do you guys want to agree on? | ||
| Who's down for what? | ||
| If you had an ideal weight, what would it be? | ||
| To fight at? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Probably 45s. | ||
| 45? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like I'm skinny enough that I'm flying squirrel flexible still, but still hella strong. | ||
| But when you're dealing with someone like Cyborg, it's coming down from 180. That's the thing, though. | ||
| Is me healthy? | ||
| Like, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Like, I'm the water. | ||
| She's the rock. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And that's something I remember thinking when I was going into 25s. | ||
| It's like, I'm gonna be huge against all these girls. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, they may not be as dehydrated and fucked up as me, but I can hold them down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I can do what I want and eventually break them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And she's got that in her back pocket, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like... | ||
| I thought watching the Tanya Avenger fight, there was a lot of things that I saw in that fight against Chris that I was like, damn, that right there, there's something I could do there. | ||
| That fight to me seemed like Chris was being... | ||
| Very cautious and conservative and that she was just picking her shots and just trying to be very professional. | ||
| Like, the way she was fighting was not like this marauding, rampaging destroyer like we've seen in some of her other fights. | ||
| She fought much more technical and just... | ||
| And Tonya Evinger was throwing wild fucking barstool type shit. | ||
| She was just... | ||
| Her hands were down. | ||
| She's winging big bombs. | ||
| She knew she had to go for broke. | ||
| And, you know, Tonya Evinger's tough as fuck just to take that fight. | ||
| I mean, the difference in size was so apparent between the two of them when you saw them inside the cage. | ||
| And, you know, Tanya's just a really tough woman. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But her style, she was just trying to be unpredictable and wild, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Cyborg was just moving in, like, just real professional and technical. | ||
| I felt like she was cautious. | ||
| I mean, it was a big fight for her, too, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Was that the first belt defense? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| No, that was the first belt. | ||
| Because Holly and Jermaine fought for the belt. | ||
| And then that didn't happen again. | ||
| Yeah, Jermaine was like, see ya. | ||
| Jermaine was like, not interested. | ||
| Where did she go? | ||
| She's still fighting. | ||
| Well, remember right after the fight, I interviewed her after she won. | ||
| First of all, that fight bothered me. | ||
| It bothered me a lot. | ||
| She hit Holly after the bell twice. | ||
| One hard. | ||
| And really rocked her. | ||
| And I watched that and I was like, fuck man. | ||
| That is a big shot. | ||
| You could say you accidentally did it once maybe, but she did it twice and one time hurt her bad. | ||
| And Even so, when I watched the fight, I'm like, that's the times when she hurt Holly, was after the bell. | ||
| But Holly fucked her up twice in that fight. | ||
| She hit her with that question mark kick, cracked her and rocked her, and then she hit her with a straight left hand and dropped her too. | ||
| I felt like Holly deserved the nod in that fight, and I definitely think she deserved the nod if you take points away, which I definitely think she had points taken away from her. | ||
| I just think... | ||
| I just didn't, it didn't sit with me well. | ||
| And then after the fight, she said she needed, when I asked her about Cyborg, she's like, yeah, I'm getting surgery. | ||
| She's like, I got something wrong with my thumb or something. | ||
| So I was like, okay, she's going to get some surgery. | ||
| And then, then it became a PED issue. | ||
| She said that Cyborg is a lifetime PED cheater, that she's a performance enhancing drug user and that everybody knows it and she's not going to fight her. | ||
| So she basically just gave up her title and went back down to 35, I think. | ||
| So she is fighting again. | ||
| I don't know if she went and got surgery on whatever was going on with her hand, but she is going to fight again. | ||
| But she hasn't since, I don't believe. | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| Jermaine Durandamy, see who she's fighting next. | ||
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She hasn't tweeted since November about a fight then. | |
| Damn, November. | ||
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Yeah, that didn't happen. | |
| See, that's the person not investing in social media. | ||
| Are you doing it right or are you doing it wrong? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| She's like, I'm just not interested in this anymore. | ||
| What's crazy, because this is how fucking tough Cyborg is. | ||
| Jermaine Durand to me fought a dude and KO'd him. | ||
| I mean, there's a Muay Thai fight with her fighting a dude. | ||
| I remember when I first started fighting and getting pointed at looking at that. | ||
| Like, here's why you want to learn Muay Thai. | ||
| And I was watching her. | ||
| I was like, that girl is... | ||
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She's a beast. | |
| She's a beast. | ||
| She's nasty. | ||
| Been through some wars and she's like older too. | ||
| No, I mean, I can't say older. | ||
| I'm like one of the older ones now, but she's older than me. | ||
| A little older than you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But she fucked up a dude. | ||
| She KO'd a dude with a straight right hand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's, I mean, and then she fought a guy, like knew it was a guy, signed up to fight a guy, fought him, beat him. | ||
| And they're like, Cyborg? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not doing that. | ||
| I'm so scared she is a cyborg. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I fucking get it. | ||
| Cyborg walking around 182 pounds. | ||
| I get it. | ||
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It just carries you around on your hip. | |
| Yeah, I mean, it's a really open division. | ||
| 145 right now. | ||
| And Megan Anderson is about to fight. | ||
| Is that at 45 or 35? | ||
| I believe that's at 45. Megan Anderson's a big girl. | ||
| She's big. | ||
| She's a big girl. | ||
| Yeah, that's a legit 45-er. | ||
| She's... | ||
| She's strong. | ||
| She's in her prime. | ||
| She's really tough. | ||
| She's good at everything. | ||
| She's a legit girl. | ||
| And fighting Holly in her first fight in the UFC also shows how much they think of her. | ||
| But I mean, how many fighters do they have at 45? | ||
| It's like fucking three. | ||
| I mean, who the fuck is there? | ||
| You got Holly, who fought Cyborg and lost. | ||
| And then, you know, what else you got? | ||
| You got Megan Anderson, who was over in Invicta. | ||
| And most people, other than the hardcore fans, don't know about her. | ||
| You know, and she was trying to get her name out there. | ||
| So what do we got here? | ||
| Is that the whole division? | ||
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Yeah, it's the four. | |
| That's the whole division? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Oh, Yana is on there, too. | ||
| Well, Yana fought Cyborg. | ||
| She's little, isn't she? | ||
| She got nuked. | ||
| Yeah, that was... | ||
| I mean, she did her best, right? | ||
| When did she fight Cyborg? | ||
| Same night I fought. | ||
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UFC 222. She looked good until Cyborg got a hold of her. | |
| It's just like one of those things where when Cyborg starts landing on girls, you see the look in their face. | ||
| They're like, what in the fuck? | ||
| What am I doing in here? | ||
| I mean, I was most impressed with Cyborg on her kickboxing loss when she fought Jorina Barge. | ||
| Did you ever see that fight? | ||
| She fought her in Muay Thai. | ||
| Jorina Barge is a fucking beast, man. | ||
| She was kneeing her from across the room in the face. | ||
| Yeah, Barge knocked her down with a front kick to the face, and she dropped her, and Cyborg was still chasing after her for every fucking round. | ||
| I was like, that girl's... | ||
| I mean, she's big, and she's strong, but mentally, she's tough, too. | ||
| Like... | ||
| I mean, just to fight that girl. | ||
| Jarena Barge had, I think, almost three years without a fight where she couldn't get a fight because nobody wanted to fight her. | ||
| Because she's just a fucking badass Muay Thai fighter. | ||
| Real long and tall and just classic Dutch style Muay Thai. | ||
| Cyborg stepped up, fought her in Lion Fight when she was the most feared MMA fighter in the world and said, fuck it, I'll take a Muay Thai fight. | ||
| With zero Muay Thai professional fights. | ||
| Fought one of the best girls ever. | ||
| It's really pretty admirable how badass she is in that regard. | ||
| That was cool. | ||
| But, you know, when you have a division that's that small, it's like, what do they do? | ||
| You know, I mean, what are you going to grow girls? | ||
| Make them get bigger? | ||
| Like, hey girls, want some food? | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| You know, I mean, this isn't the pride days where they could just fill them up with, you know, whatever the fuck Gabby Garcia is on. | ||
| You know, and toss them out there. | ||
| They have to be legit, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's a weird situation because, I mean, I don't follow enough to know what is out there. | ||
| Do you follow Invicta or do you pay attention to any other organizations outside the UFC? No. | ||
| No, and honestly, I don't watch the UFC that much either because I don't have cable. | ||
| You don't? | ||
| No, I have Netflix and a DVD player. | ||
| Wow, old school. | ||
| Yeah, we go crazy on 80s and 90s movies. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, look, with Netflix, you kind of don't, I mean, you could watch good shit all day long. | ||
| You don't really, I mean, so many people have severed their cable now. | ||
| They just don't want to do it anymore. | ||
| Fuck a commercial. | ||
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Right? | |
| I mean, and how much is cable? | ||
| It's like $100 a month or something like that? | ||
| What's Netflix? | ||
| $10? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| Like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's not like you run out of shit to watch. | ||
| Like, you could watch Netflix all day for the rest of your life and never run out of shit to watch, you know? | ||
| It's a weird time for those cable companies. | ||
| It's like, the only thing that really keeps people buying cable, I think, or DirecTV, one of the big things, is live sports. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, live sports is, like, one of those things where you kind of have to have direct TV or cable or something to watch live sports. | ||
| Well, and it's generational, too. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of people that just always had it, you know. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| My generation. | ||
| These young kids, they don't give a fuck about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Young kids don't watch CBS. They're like, what? | ||
| The fuck is that? | ||
| And the weird thing is if you watch regular TV now, it seems like you're watching a time machine. | ||
| Like you're watching some shit from a bygone era. | ||
| Like laugh tracks and then cut to commercials. | ||
| You're like, what is this? | ||
| Cliffhangers to be continued. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| It's just weird. | ||
| So what do you do when you're not training other than watch DVDs? | ||
| Not really much. | ||
| I'm trying to get out in San Diego and live and play by the... | ||
| I'll get to the beach when I can, try to soak up the sun and whatever. | ||
| Really, I have a struggle because I realized I came here to work. | ||
| I came here, I changed my life to come out here and be all in and be as successful as this as possible. | ||
| My day is about training, about doing the, like, rehabilitation-type things that I need to do and then making sure my kids' needs are met. | ||
| And, you know, washrooms repeat with that. | ||
| Like, I recently went to, like, I've been to a couple escape rooms. | ||
| I did that recently? | ||
| That's fun! | ||
| Yeah, they're super fun unless you're not getting out. | ||
| You sit there and they're like, here, let's take your picture at the end. | ||
| I'm all pissed. | ||
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Right. | |
| I'm still here. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't get out. | ||
| We didn't get out either. | ||
| We got out of one room, but it led us into the second room, and we're like... | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I feel like it was hard for me being an athlete, because I'm like, there's harder we can do. | ||
| I can work harder at this, but there's no working harder at it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a smarter thing. | ||
| It's also weird shit to piece together. | ||
| There's a horse rescue that I go down and I'll put time in down there and be with the animals and feed them. | ||
| You can try to rehabilitate them. | ||
| Some of them are scary, man. | ||
| But it's cool because they're actually something really to be scared of. | ||
| Half the shit we're afraid of is just in our head anyway. | ||
| But there's this gigantic animal that doesn't know if it wants to kick you or love you. | ||
| And it's like, you know, trying to befriend it so you can help it and teach it, stuff like that. | ||
| That's taking some of my time. | ||
| It's been cool. | ||
| That is weird with horses, right? | ||
| Like, you could break them. | ||
| You can lasso them and then let you ride them. | ||
| Like, what in the fuck? | ||
| Like, wild horses. | ||
| People go out and catch wild horses and ride them around. | ||
| Like, what other fucking animal can you do that to? | ||
| Damn. | ||
| That's so strange. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that is really strange that you could, like, get a horse, you got him in the barn, the horse was like, fuck you, fuck you, and you're like, no, fuck you! | ||
| You get a rope around him, and they're like, alright, alright, you got me. | ||
| You can ride me around now. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| I mean, what a weird relationship people have with fucking horses, you know? | ||
| That's very strange. | ||
| Oh, man... | ||
| My friend Whitney Cummings has a horse. | ||
| She's all in. | ||
| She's all in with this fucking horse. | ||
| She rides it bareback. | ||
| She's like, you have to have a connection with the animal. | ||
| It has to feel you. | ||
| Like, not a saddle. | ||
| Like, all right, crazy. | ||
| I've seen Clint Eastwood movies. | ||
| It seems like he's riding the horse pretty good with a saddle on. | ||
| But she doesn't do that. | ||
| And she rescued this horse. | ||
| And she's like, on her Instagram, she's always like riding around with this fucking horse and hanging out with it. | ||
| You know, and she's like spending all this time with it. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It is, like, they call it equine therapy. | ||
| And, like, I was trying to get... | ||
| Just because my brain was working in all these ways, like, I got really excited about that treatment center, the mindset place. | ||
| And then, again, there's all those other people in there that are in there and the veterans and stuff. | ||
| I was like, man, if... | ||
| I could get some of them down there working with these horses. | ||
| One, it gives them something to do. | ||
| Because the ones that are disabled, they're hating life. | ||
| And that place, it's awesome because after a few months of being there, they all want to know how to help. | ||
| They're like, tell me what I can do around here, you know? | ||
| And even with that, I'm like, man, if I could even get them down there, like, sometimes if all you do at this place is shovel shit, you know, it's still like you're around these horses, and this place in particular, they're all rescues, and it's called Ferdinand's Familia, and they've all been mistreated at some point, or they were trained to be something that they never graduated to being, and so they were trash. | ||
| And now they need to turn these horses into rideable horses or whatever. | ||
| That's the goal. | ||
| And then they have this... | ||
| It's near Imperial Beach. | ||
| It's on that land, right on Tijuana. | ||
| So you get... | ||
| The goal is to take them on this trail that goes all the way to the beach and you can ride up and down the beach freely. | ||
| Can you ride the beach to Tijuana or is there a wall? | ||
| Oh yeah, you can ride both. | ||
| And it's like a see-through wall, and you see them. | ||
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A see-through? | |
| Yeah, I mean, it's just like panels. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| And you can see right through it. | ||
| Like, I went down there. | ||
| But you could swim around it. | ||
| I was thinking that the other day. | ||
| I'm like, you guys are almost too tempting. | ||
| I almost want to go over there. | ||
| Oh, this is it right here? | ||
| Yeah, it's there. | ||
| That's exactly where we ride. | ||
| That is so fucking strange to me. | ||
| That is so goddamn strange. | ||
| So which side is Tijuana? | ||
| This side? | ||
| This is Tijuana. | ||
| The other side is the United States. | ||
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Obviously, right. | |
| And yeah, that's exactly what it looks like. | ||
| They have their little umbrellas. | ||
| They're having their little barbecues, like chilling, playing music, having fun. | ||
| Meanwhile, we're all over there like... | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Like, I almost want to try to swim over just to see if anyone's going to stop you. | ||
| Because, like, there is a little bit of, like, if you keep going up that fence, they have, like, one car with one dude. | ||
| Who's watching? | ||
| Who's watching, like, Border Patrol. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems so easy to get here from Mexico. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All you have to do is be able to swim. | ||
| Well, and how deep can that fence go? | ||
| Yeah, how deep can it go? | ||
| Just dig under that fucker. | ||
| Just put up your umbrella in a special angle and you're good. | ||
| Or just climb. | ||
| That doesn't seem like it's impossible to climb. | ||
| I mean, I'm not the best climber in the world, but I fucking guarantee you I can make it over that fence. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Look, you just grab ahold of some gloves on so you don't fuck your hands on. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to have to do some soft sand training because that sprint afterwards is going to burn your legs out. | ||
| Yeah, the sprint's rough. | ||
| But unless they're on dune buggies, they're not going to catch you, those fat fucks. | ||
| I just, I feel like swimming is the move. | ||
| Like, why climb it? | ||
| You just swim a couple hundred yards over. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| It's like 200 yards maybe. | ||
| That ain't shit. | ||
| Go left and then come back. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| Like, build that wall, build that wall. | ||
| People are so crazy. | ||
| The whole thing is so strange. | ||
| I think one day we're going to look back on countries. | ||
| Like, the human race. | ||
| One, I think... | ||
| One of the things that's happening to the human race, for sure, is that we're getting closer to each other. | ||
| We're getting, we can, like, I'll read, like, tweets that someone will post in Spanish or in Chinese or whatever, and you just press translate, and then you get to read it, you know, translate to English. | ||
| And I'm like, wow. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| I could read this guy's words. | ||
| And they have this thing called the Google Pixel. | ||
| You know, it's a phone. | ||
| And they have these Pixel Buds, these earbuds. | ||
| And these earbuds will translate in real time. | ||
| Like, you could say some shit to me in Spanish, and it'll translate it in real time to English. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how long is it going to be before that's way better? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we're going to realize that countries are stupid. | ||
| See, but I think, I mean, I agree on that on the social media side. | ||
| Like, I feel like social media has made that connection for us on that, like, that, I guess, mental, social side or whatever. | ||
| But us as humans individually, like, here and now, right next to each other, like, I feel a huge disconnect. | ||
| Like, look at, I mean, a century ago... | ||
| More than less than, like, you knew who the town butcher was. | ||
| You knew who the blacksmith was. | ||
| You knew who the mayor was. | ||
| Like, you knew, like, and everybody had their position. | ||
| Your kids were safe to run around. | ||
| Like, everything, like, everyone knew and there was value to every single person for what it is that their craft was or who they are. | ||
| And now no one knows anyone. | ||
| And, like, people don't want to, like, like... | ||
| I almost feel weird sometimes that my kid doesn't see all of the same pictures that I see because I have Facebook and he doesn't. | ||
| But I'm not ready to have my kid exposed to that labyrinth right there. | ||
| Yeah, it's a terrible thing for kids to be exposed to. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that, you know, so, like, shoulder-to-shoulder, person-to-person, I feel like a bit of a disconnect, you know? | ||
| But social media, like, we get to share information, sometimes not good information, sometimes good information. | ||
| Like, the fact that people are communicating, I think, is important. | ||
| It's making people take stands on things that they're all finding out, oh, you believe that too, or I think that too, like, cool, like, I can find my people. | ||
| But on the actual oxytocin social side, people actually getting to know each other, those intimate relationships, I feel like that part is suffering a little bit from it. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's suffering a little bit in real life because people are in cars, they're in traffic, they're isolated, then they go to work and they're in a cubicle all day and they get home and they're in their apartment or their house. | ||
| Yeah, there's not a lot of interaction with people. | ||
| And I just think this is just a side effect of modern life. | ||
| It's weird that there's so many, like in LA, there's so many people next to each other and almost nobody knows their neighbor. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| What I'm talking about is I think countries are stupid. | ||
| Like states. | ||
| I think countries are like states. | ||
| Like, I think we should build a wall over Florida before we should build a wall over Mexico. | ||
| I mean, Florida's a state, right? | ||
| But Florida is just as alien as, like, say, Finland or something like that. | ||
| I mean, it's just the fact that you can move out of Florida and, like, fuck Florida, man, I'm going to move to Atlanta. | ||
| And then you go up there and, like, nobody stops you. | ||
| You just go. | ||
| But if you're in Tijuana, like, you're like, nah, dog. | ||
| There's a fence up here, bitch. | ||
| There's no crossing. | ||
| To me, that seems super fucking strange. | ||
| And almost guaranteeing that those spots are fucked forever. | ||
| The only way anything's ever going to level out is if you let anybody travel wherever they want. | ||
| And nobody's willing to do that because it might fuck up the good spots. | ||
| Like La Jolla would be like, no, no, no, you can't just... | ||
| We're not equal. | ||
| Yeah, we're not equal. | ||
| You can't just come over from... | ||
| I mean, you think about it. | ||
| La Jolla has some of the wealthiest real estate in the world, right? | ||
| And unbelievable, beautiful views. | ||
| And you could walk to Mexico from La Jolla. | ||
| You could walk! | ||
| I mean, what's the distance between Tijuana and La Jolla? | ||
| Let's guess. | ||
| Let me guess. | ||
| I'm going to say it's 50 miles. | ||
| Is it 50? | ||
| I'm going to say... | ||
| Might not even be 50. No, it's not that many because it's... | ||
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30? | |
| Depending on... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I would say it's a 30-minute drive, like moderate, normal speed limit, no traffic, 35 maybe. | ||
| So maybe it's 30 miles. | ||
| So it's like a marathon, like a marathon run, which people do. | ||
| They run marathons all the time. | ||
| 20? | ||
| 32. 32 miles. | ||
| So you're in fucking Tijuana. | ||
| You're in a third-world country in one of the worst neighborhoods of a third-world country. | ||
| And 32 miles away, you have like these unbelievable mansions on these bluffs overlooking the ocean. | ||
| Like, look at that shit. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Even Coronado. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yeah, that Coronado, the island, that's all super wealthy people, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's where Dick Cheney lives, apparently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have the ability of shutting that whole island down if there's vandalism, because it's got its entry and it's out. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| So it's not exactly an island. | ||
| It does attach to the land. | ||
| What is that called? | ||
| The peninsula? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they have an ability at both the peninsula edge and the bridge to shut it down as a community if shit's going down on the island and they don't want someone to get off. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's how rich they are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's only one of the wealthiest places in the world. | ||
| And another one, there's one offside off of Miami. | ||
| There's like some little tiny island that's filled only with rich people. | ||
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Star Island, I think. | |
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like one of the most wealthy places on the planet. | ||
| It's one little spot off of Miami, just filled with rich folks waiting for a hurricane to fuck up their life. | ||
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Damn. | |
| Is that it? | ||
| Star Island is a tiny neighborhood of massive houses and drama. | ||
| Oh, there's drama. | ||
| Oh, see the big X on it? | ||
| Like, fuck this place. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Kind of drama. | ||
| Damn, badass houses, though. | ||
| But they have good brunch, too. | ||
| Yeah, that's their little... | ||
| So they have a little bridge, and it's a little tiny island. | ||
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All right. | |
| Good luck. | ||
| People are weird. | ||
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Wow. | |
| People are weird, Kat. | ||
| That's not safe. | ||
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No. | |
| Doesn't feel safe. | ||
| Not in Miami. | ||
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A pirate. | |
| A pirate. | ||
| Come wipe that whole thing out. | ||
| Crocodiles. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That place is filled with pirates. | ||
| That place is filled with weird shit. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I'm joking around that I hate it, but I love Miami. | ||
| It's so strange. | ||
| Every time I go down there, I'm like, you should have to have a passport to come here. | ||
| This is not America. | ||
| I don't give a fuck what anybody says. | ||
| It's great, but it's chaos. | ||
| But then there's some Florida spots where you're like, okay, Pensacola, you can just go fuck yourself. | ||
| What'd you say? | ||
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It's basically Alabama. | |
| It might as well be. | ||
| It might as well be. | ||
| Other than Roy Jones Jr. I mean, he came out of there. | ||
| He put Pensacola on the map. | ||
| Do you do any boxing training? | ||
| I do. | ||
| So, Alliance has been, like, real helpful on my hands. | ||
| Like, I would say there's a ton of improvement as far as that goes. | ||
| And I never really focused on boxing before. | ||
| Like, I worked Muay Thai and kickboxing between Dutch and Thai style, you know. | ||
| And then to go there and have my hands sharpened was... | ||
| It was pretty cool. | ||
| It was hard for me to relate boxing to any sport I'd ever done. | ||
| As an athlete growing up, as a kid, if I can't understand something that I'm learning, I try to relate it back to some muscle memory of some motion I've done before in some other sport. | ||
| Volleyball or swimming or like what's the mechanics of how I've moved in something that I can even dance like turn into getting like some kind of value out of so I can learn this thing and like boxing was not like anything that I'd ever done before. | ||
| Like I've never had a predominantly hands-on sport that I was good at so it's been the the most What's the word? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The most work and the least natural of all of the disciplines. | ||
| That's interesting because you've trained Muay Thai so much and Muay Thai has hands in it. | ||
| Right, but the thing I'm excited about the most in Muay Thai is the clinching and the kicks. | ||
| Because of your wrestling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And just having the hips and everything with that that came with wrestling, that came with the footwork of soccer, of dance, of all that stuff. | ||
| That contributed, I think, easily and translated easily over to that. | ||
| But boxing was... | ||
| Um, not so much, you know, but part of me also thinks like, you know, some of that had to come with, with learning, like you, you got to get hit to realize you don't want to get hit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I'm like, I don't, I'm not ready. | ||
| I don't want to talk about that. | ||
| Like, I don't want to get hit. | ||
| Well, it's the best way to learn how to move your head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And slip and roll with shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It hurts my feelings to get punched in the face. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I'm happy I'm the kind of person that it pisses off. | ||
| So it makes me fight harder. | ||
| But it's stunning. | ||
| It's stunning, especially when you get one of those good ones in the nose and now your eyes are watering but you're not crying. | ||
| That weird stinging sensation. | ||
| Learning all of that, that all was definitely within the last few years. | ||
| It's been fun. | ||
| It's been not fun, but fun when you see the evolution. | ||
| A lot of fighters are getting into yoga. | ||
| A lot of fighters are doing yoga. | ||
| A lot of fighters are finding that they have... | ||
| Like, real benefits and protecting their back and strengthening a lot of their joints and their ligaments and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, do you feel like it's supplemental towards, like, the physiology of it or because it's something as far as adding to the combative side? | ||
| I think both. | ||
| I think for sure it's good for your mental endurance because it's hard. | ||
| I mean, it seems like something that should be very easy. | ||
| You hear about yoga, you're like, oh, housewives do that shit. | ||
| But if you do it 100% in especially hot yoga, you're stuck in that fucking box at 104 degrees for 90 minutes sweating your ass off. | ||
| And I'm pissed at about 60 minutes in that one. | ||
| So there's definitely some mental toughness that goes into the 90 minutes. | ||
| You endure a 90 minute hot yoga class. | ||
| But I think for your joints, For your range of motion and flexibility there's almost nothing better because you're so hot and sweaty everything's loosened up and you can get into like deep deep stretches and deep poses and also like for your foot strength and posture and balance all that stuff is amazing amazing for your back strengthening your back your knees It's really good for jiu-jitsu fighters. | ||
| I mean jiu-jitsu people love it so one of the best things for jiu-jitsu because Jiu-Jitsu is so static, you know, so much of it is like holding on and like trying to advance position slowly and there's these bursts of, you know, explosive movements, but so much of it is just clenching and... | ||
| That isometric stuff, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so much of it is that. | ||
| And I think you really benefit from being able to, you know, in these yoga poses, holding these poses for 30 seconds when your body's burning and you're, you know, you're having a difficult time just standing up. | ||
| I think adding the heat component to it too, especially if you're a weight cutting fighter, like getting to know your body and teaching it how to sweat, right? | ||
| Like this last training camp was pretty awesome with that because I got a sauna for my... | ||
| One, I got a sauna a while ago. | ||
| I was using a red light for healing and I was using the sauna because I know that you can naturally boost your growth hormone if you're in that every night and help yourself before you go to sleep. | ||
| So I was in that every night I tried to go in for like 45 minutes and that was so helpful in going into the fight week weight cut because it was like I know what it feels like when it's time to get the fuck out and I know what it feels like when it's time that I'm like that sound like when I'm dripping like crazy I still got another good 20 minutes of me sitting here like this. | ||
| You know, and I think it's really hard on fighters when they're not in a sauna or that hot for their entire camp and then they just expect that out of their body the day before a fight. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| There's a lot of really good benefits, as you said, too, for recovery, reducing inflammation, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I thought it was helpful. | ||
| I got a portable sauna to bring to my fights with me. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| Is it one you climb into? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And like just your little head sticks out. | ||
| It's uncomfortable as hell because you can't lean against anything or it'll burn your ass. | ||
| You're just in a cocoon. | ||
| Yeah, and the chair is like this little half chair. | ||
| And by that point, your organs are so depleted and you're like leaning all weird anyway. | ||
| So it's just hell. | ||
| But I mean, it gets it off and you don't have to leave your hotel room. | ||
| Oh, that's nice too, especially if you're doing something on the road. | ||
| Like, who was it that somebody was fighting somewhere and they didn't have hot water and they couldn't make weight because they didn't have the bathtub? | ||
| I think it was... | ||
| I'm trying to think of who it was. | ||
| That must have been stressful. | ||
| Yeah, they were I think they were fighting in Brazil and there was no hot water for some reason like the hot water was down and they were like what in the fuck and they couldn't they went up not making weight. | ||
| I don't remember who it was. | ||
| I wasn't there for that event. | ||
| But I remember thinking like that is one of the real problems with doing some of these gigs on the road. | ||
| You know, you're traveling to these places and there's no fucking hot water. | ||
| If there's no sauna and no hot water, how are you supposed to make weight? | ||
| Well, and it's awkward to be in a sauna with your opponent too. | ||
| I fought Karina Dam. | ||
| Again, it was 125 like a few years ago. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Eric Anders. | ||
| Leota Machida was very respectful. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Leota's Brazilian. | ||
| He knows. | ||
| He's like, eh? | ||
| But we were in North Dakota and we had to go into the same sauna and it became a competition in there. | ||
| I'm like, oh, I'm not getting out. | ||
| And when she, like, there was a point, like, I'm sitting there with my coach and I'm just, like, biting down. | ||
| I don't even know how long we were in, but it was, like, hard. | ||
| It was rough. | ||
| And it's kind of, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, who's going to break first? | ||
| Who's going to go first? | ||
| And she ended up being like, fuck it. | ||
| And she goes and she gets out. | ||
| And I was like, oh, you have quit in you? | ||
| And I already knew I won the fight. | ||
| I already knew I won the fight. | ||
| I was like, I saw everything I needed to see. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| That's so true. | ||
| I mean, look, there's something to that. | ||
| I mean, you definitely don't want to die in there, but there's moments when you're in the sauna. | ||
| You know, I have one here, and there's this thing that happens at like 30 minutes where you're like, what in the fuck am I doing? | ||
| Well, you start fucking weirding out. | ||
| You're like, I gotta get out of here. | ||
| I gotta get out of here. | ||
| It's like claustrophobia. | ||
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Yeah, like you know that if you just open that door, it's cold air, and you're gonna feel great. | |
| Just want someone to come in. | ||
| Just want someone to ask you a question. | ||
| Just open that door for a second. | ||
| Just open that door. | ||
| Let me run out that door. | ||
| You know, it's right there. | ||
| But that is what creates those heat shock proteins, is that your body realizes that it's in this terrible situation where you're way overheated. | ||
| So your body starts creating these anti-inflammatory proteins, and that's what's so good for your body. | ||
| They did a study, I think it was in, was it in Norway? | ||
| Dr. Rhonda Patrick brought it up on the podcast, that they showed a 40% decrease in mortality from all causes from use of daily sauna. | ||
| 40% decrease in heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything, across the board. | ||
| It's unbelievably good for you. | ||
| Dang. | ||
| Yeah, it's because your body in reaction... | ||
| The response that your body has in reaction to that extreme temperature is just to create all these anti-inflammatory properties and that's just so good for your body. | ||
| Inflammation is just the root of so many different diseases and problems that we have. | ||
| What is the temperature and duration recommended for that? | ||
| I think it's 170 degrees and I think 20 minutes is what they want. | ||
| They want 20 minutes at 170 degrees for, I believe the test protocol was four days a week. | ||
| Is that the same statistic for, say, a red light sauna? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| They didn't use a red light sauna. | ||
| They didn't use an infrared sauna. | ||
| Like a traditional sauna. | ||
| They just used a traditional sauna. | ||
| But the theory is that it doesn't matter because what matters is your body reacting to the temperature change. | ||
| And it doesn't matter how it's getting to you. | ||
| They used a regular hot rock sauna. | ||
| That's what I have, a regular hot rock sauna. | ||
| But I don't think it matters. | ||
| I think what really matters is just the extreme temperature. | ||
| And a lot of people believe in those infrared saunas. | ||
| They think they're better. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just know your body lacks sauna. | ||
| Whenever I do it, I just feel better. | ||
| Sleep all good. | ||
| It just feels better for my brain, too. | ||
| I just feel better about everything. | ||
| I just think it's just like getting your body heated up like that and then it cools off. | ||
| It just chills everything out. | ||
| Everything feels looser, too. | ||
| Like a quiet. | ||
| There's like a quiet afterwards. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everything feels like it works better. | ||
| When I do it on a regular basis. | ||
| But I feel the same way about cryotherapy. | ||
| When I do cryotherapy on a regular basis too, everything seems to work better. | ||
| See, I only did cryotherapy a couple of times and it hurt my boobs. | ||
| So much that I just don't want to go. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| I'll ice bath, and I mean, the thing is, I'll get in an ice bath, and I'm really, like, I'll get in, but I'm complaining the whole way. | ||
| You know, like, not saying one nice thing to you or your mama. | ||
| Like, I'm getting in there, and I'll do it when I'm ready. | ||
| And, oh, man, it's awful. | ||
| Awful. | ||
| And those cryotherapy things, like... | ||
| I appreciate the speed. | ||
| Do you really feel that they get through all of those layers of skin, like down to an optimal level on your tissue? | ||
| Well, it's the same thing. | ||
| It's cold shock proteins. | ||
| What happens is, if they really got through your skin, you'd be dead. | ||
| They really got through. | ||
| But the idea is... | ||
| That your body produces these cold shock proteins in response to anything that's over or under 150 degrees below zero. | ||
| That's the sweet spot, apparently. | ||
| When you hit that 150 degree below zero, your body produces all these massive anti-inflammatory properties. | ||
| Because again, it thinks it's going to die. | ||
| So it's like freaking out. | ||
| And people with arthritis and people with severe autoimmune issues where they have a lot of inflammation, real problems with their joints and their hands, they have huge results from cryotherapy. | ||
| There's a bunch of people that go to my place that... | ||
| They say that it's really essentially changed their life. | ||
| They were just in pain all the time, and now they know all they have to do is go there, step in that thing for three minutes, leave, and they're going to feel better. | ||
| And they just feel looser and relaxed and whatever their flare-ups. | ||
| And instead of their condition deteriorating, their condition improved and stabilized. | ||
| So it's about your body and the chemical value, not the cold itself. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's about your body freaking out. | ||
| Your body going, yikes! | ||
| What is this bitch doing? | ||
| It's 150 degrees below zero! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| And then when you get out of there, you feel so good. | ||
| That's what does it for me. | ||
| When I get out, oh my god, I feel amazing. | ||
| It's like this rush of... | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Norepinephrine? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have this rush of it in your brain. | ||
| It's like you just took an awesome drug. | ||
| You just feel fantastic. | ||
| I get out. | ||
| The sun feels great. | ||
| People look better. | ||
| Everything just feels better, you know? | ||
| I do two sessions, too. | ||
| I do three minutes, and then I go out for ten minutes, and then I go back in for another three minutes. | ||
| How many times a week? | ||
| I try to do, depending on how many times I do the sauna, I want to do one or the other four times a week. | ||
| So either I'm doing the sauna or I'm doing cryo. | ||
| I don't do both in the same day, though. | ||
| You do some temperature manipulation four times a week. | ||
| Yes, four days a week. | ||
| And if I don't do that, I do hot yoga, which is another form of temperature manipulation, obviously, because you're 104 degrees, and you're there for 90 minutes sweating it out. | ||
| I mean, it's not as hot in the room, but your body absolutely has that same feeling that it has inside the sauna, where you're just like claustrophobic, or I gotta get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Dang. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm gonna try it. | ||
| I'll try it. | ||
| I'm so mad. | ||
| I will. | ||
| I'm going to send you this emoji. | ||
| That's how you know I'm there for the one. | ||
| The sauna, I'm good. | ||
| I sit in there and I just turn up the jams. | ||
| Well, if you're good with the sauna, just stick with the sauna. | ||
| I mean, I think they're both really good. | ||
| What if I get in a cold shower after the sauna? | ||
| Does that count as the same? | ||
| I like doing that too. | ||
| I like doing that after yoga, especially in the winter when the water gets real cold. | ||
| I like to get in that fucking cold shower and just really like, yikes! | ||
| Feel the two of them. | ||
| You know, the UFC has that set up too where they have the jacuzzi right next to the cold bath. | ||
| They got that cold plunge. | ||
| It's like set to below 50 degrees. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You hop in there, freeze your ass off, and then hop in the sauna. | ||
| Apparently there's like really good benefits to doing that back and forth like that. | ||
| Yeah, it was the last fight out there. | ||
| I was sitting in that hot tub because I didn't have the sauna hooked up. | ||
| I just wanted to go in the hot tub and then I laid on the partition and I had one leg dangling in the cold pool and one leg dangling in the water. | ||
| It was really good looking, I'm sure. | ||
| But when you're starving and dying and giving no fucks anymore, it's just like I'm laying there like that. | ||
| Mackenzie Dern was laying over there looking a little worse than me, but it's like... | ||
| I guess I don't know. | ||
| What did you think would she miss weight by seven pounds? | ||
| That shit's kind of crazy, isn't it? | ||
| It's crazy because she, like, I was literally sitting in the locker room with her, like, we're giggling at UFC 222, like, because we're both, like, curvy, right? | ||
| And we're sitting in the locker room laughing about how much that shit weighs, you know? | ||
| And it's like, what can you do about that? | ||
| And even if you could, do you really want to, like... | ||
| I mean, I don't hate it, you know, but sitting in there and like laughing about it. | ||
| And that was what, what was the date of that? | ||
| March 3rd. | ||
| And then to come that much over, like she got her fight right away, announced right away, you know, that she was fighting May, what was it, 19th or something? | ||
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| And it's just like that, like when you have that data in mind, I mean, granted, it's not me. | ||
| It's her. | ||
| I don't have her body. | ||
| I don't have her problems. | ||
| I don't have her life. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything to me. | ||
| But to know you have a fight. | ||
| It's signed up and it's ready. | ||
| At that point, it's maintenance. | ||
| It's maintenance. | ||
| That's not even doing anything different. | ||
| It's just maintenance. | ||
| These weight cuts are harder and harder on us as we get older. | ||
| I don't know what her body's doing. | ||
| I think she's 25. Yeah, she's young. | ||
| And I don't know what that, to make 115 pounds, asks of her. | ||
| And I don't know if she's on her period or not. | ||
| I don't know if that makes a difference to her. | ||
| With me, I always get mine the day of weigh-ins. | ||
| I have like three other girls, four other girls that I know that it's the exact same thing. | ||
| Like the morning of, made weight, about to go downstairs, and there's that fucker looking at you right there. | ||
| She's like, there's why I couldn't lose that last two pounds? | ||
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Sweet. | |
| I would like to talk to John Crouch about what happened because he asked her to leave the lab. | ||
| Oh, that was where she was at? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did she ever say why? | ||
| She didn't say why. | ||
| He didn't say why either. | ||
| They're both playing it professional. | ||
| I don't know what happened, but... | ||
| She was there a long time, too, though, wasn't she? | ||
| Well, like, because when I went to go train down there, she was already... | ||
| She was there one of the days. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But I know her dad, he's... | ||
| Doesn't he teach in Arizona? | ||
| Magaton? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Her jiu-jitsu is fucking nasty, though, isn't it? | ||
| So gnarly. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Yeah, she's good. | ||
| We competed against each other. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was beating her ass. | ||
| Were you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it is rough. | ||
| It is rough because I, I, it was Worlds. | ||
| We were both purple belts. | ||
| I think it was the open division. | ||
| So I was like, I was heavier than her by the next weight class. | ||
| And I went to take her down. | ||
| I double-legged her all big. | ||
| And then, like, where we landed, so if this is, like, the square, we landed, like, right here. | ||
| And so they called it out. | ||
| And so they reset us in the middle, so no points. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So we get in the middle. | ||
| Do you think they would fuck with you because she's Mackenzie Dern? | ||
| Because I'm not Brazilian enough. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Let's see. | |
| So, they start us again. | ||
| I'm like, okay, noted. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Don't go near that line. | ||
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Right. | |
| So, I go and I shoot another double, pick her up, go take her down again. | ||
| Same thing, but, like, it's out of bounds again because it was too close because my double is like a tackle, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| And then, so we go back in the middle. | ||
| And we shake hands and we go. | ||
| So this time I go, shoot, I pick her up. | ||
| I look at the ref like, like, you're good? | ||
| Is this good? | ||
| Put her down here? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So put her down, go to pass her guard. | ||
| And I passed. | ||
| And then, um, I think she had, I sat back for a straight ankle lock. | ||
| And they're like, And they disqualified me. | ||
| What? | ||
| You can't have an ankle lock? | ||
| They're like, you can't do that. | ||
| I was like, can't do what? | ||
| And they're like, you can't do that. | ||
| And it's in the rule books. | ||
| I'm like, okay, if I'm going to look in the rule books, what am I looking up? | ||
| What can't I do? | ||
| Like, you can't do that. | ||
| You need to go. | ||
| You're disqualified. | ||
| I'm like, tell me what I did. | ||
| And they said that I reaped the knee. | ||
| But I didn't. | ||
| I really don't think I did, you know? | ||
| So you think they were just... | ||
| Juking the system to try to get her to win because she's Brazilian. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| It does. | ||
| It does happen. | ||
| Some tournaments. | ||
| Yeah, and I mean, the thing is, I love IBJJF tournaments, and I want to compete in them for the rest of my life. | ||
| But yeah, there is some themes that go on there. | ||
| There's definitely birthrights that get you places. | ||
| Birthrights. | ||
| That I would really like to have... | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| But not really, no. | ||
| No, I don't want to have been born into it. | ||
| I want to make the statement of, like, have your birthright. | ||
| Like, I got this, you know? | ||
| I made it to some pretty badass tournaments and, you know, just, like, fighting the way I fight and trying not to give a shit about all of that. | ||
| And, like, I continue to do that. | ||
| I want to do the same, you know? | ||
| But, you know, that was a rough one for me. | ||
| Like, I was excited about that tournament. | ||
| I trained hard for that tournament. | ||
| And I think we were each other's, like... | ||
| I don't remember what match in the tournament it was, but to be disqualified. | ||
| What do they call specifically reaping the need? | ||
| Don't you have to go against the joint? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, I wish I could draw you a picture or show you a finger bent weird or something. | ||
| Do you think they were just trying to, like, come up with an excuse? | ||
| Well, I mean, the first two takedowns, like, we weren't... | ||
| Okay, maybe the first one... | ||
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You weren't really out of bounds. | |
| Maybe the first one, we were on the line. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| The second one, like, we hit the ground and then we skidded a little. | ||
| So, but we were in. | ||
| And then the third round, I'm being a dick, and I'm just like, yeah, you're good. | ||
| And so they're like, mm, and they gave me the points. | ||
| And then I pass, and mm, they give me the points. | ||
| And then I sit back for that, and now I'm disqualified. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's hard to swallow. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And I like her. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Her dad was at my gym teaching a seminar at my gym in Colorado months earlier. | ||
| And so when the match is over and we go and we're standing next to them, they're like, sorry. | ||
| Did you see the video that somebody made on Instagram of her after one day in Liverpool? | ||
| No. | ||
| What? | ||
| Do you know people make fun of her accent? | ||
| That it's not real? | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah, someone just told me that recently. | ||
| Yeah, she apparently... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, people... | ||
| Accents are weird to begin with. | ||
| Like, why do people talk the way they talk in the first place? | ||
| Because they sound like the people around them. | ||
| It's geographical. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's weird. | ||
| But there's a video that somebody made of Mackenzie Dern after one day in Liverpool. | ||
| And it's basically her talking, but Darren Till's voice instead. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| I'm not playing it. | ||
| Don't play it, JB. Don't even pull it up. | ||
| I will not do that to her. | ||
| But it's pretty funny. | ||
| Yeah, because I was super confused when I interviewed her when she won in the UFC. They wanted a translator. | ||
| And I was like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Like, she speaks perfect English. | ||
| Like, this is really bizarre. | ||
| So George Grigel came in with me, and he's like, just in case she gets messed up any words. | ||
| And like, I didn't even question. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| I was confused. | ||
| I'm like, but wait a minute. | ||
| I know she speaks perfect English. | ||
| Like, this is ridiculous. | ||
| Raised in Arizona, right? | ||
| Yeah, but she fucking speaks perfect English. | ||
| So I don't know if they were selling it. | ||
| I don't know whose idea it was. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| But the fucking internet got it. | ||
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They went crazy. | |
| Oh, really? | ||
| They went crazy. | ||
| Everybody was like, what in the fuck is happening? | ||
| I didn't question it. | ||
| I'm like, look, I'm just here to interview her. | ||
| I just want her. | ||
| I mean, she wants to speak in Portuguese. | ||
| She wants to speak in English. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| But I was like, why do you need a translator? | ||
| Like, that's insane. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| I don't know all that. | ||
| I don't know all that either, you know? | ||
| She definitely speaks English really well, though. | ||
| Is there a benefit to not... | ||
| Being Brazilian? | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, obviously that's a huge demographic in this sport. | ||
| Huge, huge. | ||
| Like, primarily the biggest other than American. | ||
| Other than American, yeah. | ||
| But I'm curious if there's, like, a benefit or a marketing... | ||
| Like, is there something to that that would make that more... | ||
| Well, Brazilians have immense national pride, you know, and her being a Brazilian and the daughter of a Brazilian jiu-jitsu legend and, you know, speaking perfect Portuguese and English, you know, just, I guess maybe that's the idea behind it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She's killing it though, like technically and with her style. | ||
| And I mean, like everything that she brings to the table is, is already good. | ||
| You know, it's like, don't fuck that up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Sometimes when I get around people, I feel bad because I try to be really empathetic. | ||
| And when I'm around foreigners, I will totally slow down my speaking so they will get it to the point where sometimes I think I look condescending. | ||
| You know, where I'm like, I just want this conversation to go as easy as possible for you because I'm already awkward and like, let me help you out, you know? | ||
| That's a different thing. | ||
| Remember when Madonna had a fake English accent and everybody was like, bitch, you're from Brooklyn or wherever the fuck you're from. | ||
| You are not from England. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, depending who she's around, I guess, I don't know. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| If you're around people that have that accent, you will pick it up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I was a kid, I definitely had a Boston accent, but I heard myself talk on TV once when I was like 19 with a Boston accent. | ||
| I was like, oh no. | ||
| I gotta get rid of that. | ||
| Like, how did I pick that up so quick? | ||
| Yeah, and my family's all Minnesota rural, you know, and so when I go home, I get that and it'll stick around for a few weeks. | ||
| Yeah, especially if you drink, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, or I'm real tired. | ||
| Yeah, or yeah, if you're around all those people, it's like comforting. | ||
| Accents are fucking strange. | ||
| They really are strange. | ||
| They're specific to regions. | ||
| It just shows you how pliable people are. | ||
| Southern accents. | ||
| Even in England, you have very, very different British accents. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which I'm sure to them sounds exactly like Texas versus New York. | ||
| Just a different twang. | ||
| Yeah, my friend's wife is from Liverpool and she was trying to explain Scouse to me, like the way they talk in Liverpool versus the way they would talk in like say London. | ||
| I'm like, y'all sound like English to me. | ||
| You might as well be Australian. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I get that you sound different than me. | ||
| I don't get what's happening though. | ||
| I don't get the accent. | ||
| Until like somebody like Darren Tills clearly has that Liverpool accent. | ||
| It's so clear. | ||
| But I still don't get it. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| You could say he's from London. | ||
| I'm like, oh, okay, cool. | ||
| English. | ||
| Well, isn't there, isn't there, is it like Ibiza that, or like whoever was a reign there had like a lisp, right? | ||
| And so then Ibiza, and then that ended up being what the people picked up as like, was it a compliment or just how it happened? | ||
| Because that's how things were like pronounced when they were being explained. | ||
| Like, I don't know, maybe there's some kind of like speech impediment that went along with every different dialect and every accent. | ||
| That is what it is with Spain. | ||
| The way they pronounce certain words is because some fucking king somewhere along the line had a lisp. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Strange shit. | ||
| Did you know that... | ||
| There's a place in Brazil that has a lisp also, I forget. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm sure there must be different accents in Brazil, right? | ||
| Brazil's fucking huge. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, definitely different sing-songy type of tones. | ||
| Tones, I would say, more. | ||
| Did you ever train down there? | ||
| Yeah, I've been down there I think three times, four times. | ||
| To train? | ||
| To train and to visit. | ||
| I won a big old jujitsu tournament down there before. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Yeah, I think it was like Brazilian Nationals, something like that. | ||
| So I would go down, like, get fully ready to train, get there the day before, and cut. | ||
| Because once you're there, and then compete the second day I was there, so the rest of it's vacation. | ||
| Because it's like, once you're there, all the food, all of the, like, beach and, like, lazy, like, there's nothing in me that wants to work hard. | ||
| Once I get there, all I want to do is just enjoy the music and the sounds and the people. | ||
| Yeah, they know how to cook down there. | ||
| Those chuhascarias? | ||
| Holy shit, is that good. | ||
| It's brilliant. | ||
| It's brilliant. | ||
| Well, you guys have them in San Diego. | ||
| They have them everywhere now, thank God. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But that style of cooking is the best. | ||
| Those skewers over fire. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| Meat over fire. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
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That's it. | |
| And then the little sauces, like the creations, just oil and lime and seasoning. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| I better not talk anymore. | ||
| You won't make weight. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| I'll always make weight. | ||
| I'm just a little bit more dead than others. | ||
| Why has Kat cut off her leg? | ||
| We just did two and a half hours. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Time just flew by. | ||
| So, good luck. | ||
| Good luck in Boise. | ||
| I'm looking forward to seeing you fight. | ||
| I'm very excited and I'm glad we finally got a chance to do this. | ||
| Is it Kat Zingano MMA on Twitter? | ||
| What is your... | ||
| Do you know it? | ||
| She's got a checker phone! | ||
| I know how to send stuff out, but I don't know a lot of everything. | ||
| You don't know what it is? | ||
| It is... | ||
| Alpha Kat Zingano. | ||
| Yep, at Kat Zingano. | ||
| And then on my Instagram, it's Alpha Kat Zingano. | ||
| And then Facebook, it's Kat Zingano MMA Fighter. | ||
| Kat Zingano, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I'm glad we finally did this. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| Bye, everybody. |
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