March 31, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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unidentified
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*Sigh* And we're live! | |
| What's up? | ||
| Oh, nothing. | ||
| Thanks for doing this. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Yeah, thanks for having me. | ||
| I like how you're dressed. | ||
| Very casual. | ||
| Yeah, it's all about comfort these days. | ||
| Like, monk-like? | ||
| There's a lot of monk-like to what you got. | ||
| The shaved head and the wooden beads and the whole deal. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I kind of decided that, ever since cutting my hair, that, I don't know, I'm just going to do away with not being comfortable in any area. | ||
| So, heels, you're going to have to pay me to do that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| I'm not a big fan of heels because I can't run away in them. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| I think that's why they made them. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, it only makes sense. | ||
| Like, girls wearing tight skirts where your legs are constricted, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or tight dresses that go down to your knees especially. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like a thing where girls can barely walk. | ||
| You have heels. | ||
| Your toes are down. | ||
| It's like the opposite of being strong. | ||
| It's like you're very vulnerable, right? | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| Very vulnerable, yeah. | ||
| I don't know if it's just because of the way I grew up, but I was always looking over my shoulder. | ||
| Anytime I was walking down the wrong alley, I was always ready to scope out the area and just run and be able to run. | ||
| I think everybody's like that though, right? | ||
| I mean, especially girls. | ||
| You should be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, just me in particular, just because I was the only girl that looked like myself. | ||
| I was the smallest all the time or youngest or like the only white girl on my block. | ||
| So it was always like I stood out. | ||
| And so, yeah, I like to I like to be safe. | ||
| That smart? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or be able to like, you know, throw a kick in these pants. | ||
| Yeah, those, what are those like sweatpants or something? | ||
| What do you got on? | ||
| These are called harem pants. | ||
| Harem pants? | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Let me see, get up there with that. | ||
| Oh, they're crazy. | ||
| They're like, they got cool designs on them. | ||
| What are those designs? | ||
| I don't really know. | ||
| But they're super comfy. | ||
| And I got, they came off this website called harempants.com or something like that. | ||
| And what are the wooden beads about? | ||
| I got it from a friend, Cassie Robb, who's also a fighter. | ||
| She's my teammate back at home. | ||
| She gave it to me leading up to the fight with Ioana just for some strength and courage. | ||
| I think this is supposed to give you some type of confidence or whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just like an energy beat. | ||
| I don't know if it really... | ||
| I mean, I guess it works, but... | ||
| If you believe it works, it works. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's one of those things. | ||
| That's kind of how I always feel about everything. | ||
| It's like a placebo effect, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I gotta tell you that your victory speech after you beat Ioana was my all-time favorite. | ||
| Because it wasn't even just about you or about the fight. | ||
| It wasn't about anything. | ||
| It was just you expressing yourself. | ||
| Pat, what are you doing over there? | ||
| You alright? | ||
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unidentified
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I'm checking out this little tassel. | |
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I just think that... | ||
| It was an awesome victory speech. | ||
| It was really amazing. | ||
| You were just spilling your heart out. | ||
| It was in your moment to shine. | ||
| In your moment to shine, you didn't make it about you. | ||
| I think I fight better that way. | ||
| It's always about me throughout the training camp. | ||
| My coaches and teammates are always helping me. | ||
| It gets to be a bit much sometimes. | ||
| I want to help other people. | ||
| It fills my spiritual cup more. | ||
| Your spiritual cup? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that I've... | ||
| You know, if your hand's closed to give, you know, you can't be open to receive kind of thing. | ||
| And I think that the more that I can give to people, the more that I can get myself, you know. | ||
| And I think that, you know, just like plants and animals, the way, you know, if you look at nature, everything is a symbiotic relationship. | ||
| And I think that humans can be the same way. | ||
| That's an interesting way of looking at things. | ||
| Have you always looked at things like that? | ||
| No. | ||
| I shouldn't say not always, but I always was a person that wanted to be outside, wanted to be in nature. | ||
| I grew up in an urban jungle in Milwaukee and just concrete everywhere. | ||
| No place to go outside except for just playing in the alleys and stuff. | ||
| My lineage is from Lithuania where they're like... | ||
| Very in tune with nature, and they're pagans and, like, slash Christian. | ||
| And so they really, you know, just my whole family, you know, they come from living off the land and stuff like that. | ||
| And so that's always been something I wanted to do. | ||
| I was just put in this situation, you know, just to, you know, try and do martial arts and trying to, like, you know, I guess control my emotions and stuff, just living in this, you know, chaotic environment that I grew up in. | ||
| And... | ||
| Nature is where I felt the most peace at. | ||
| So that's always something that I connected with. | ||
| And then the more that I kind of focus on nature and animals and stuff like that, I noticed that, you know, there's a, I don't know, I try to live my life the same way. | ||
| Well, it's just interesting leading up to that fight, too, that you are kind of like the antidote to a lot of the things that people are getting annoyed at in MMA. All the trash talking and all the negativity and all the fighting at press conferences. | ||
| You just shut all that shit down with Ioana. | ||
| I mean, there needs to be balance. | ||
| I like entertainment. | ||
| I should talk sometimes, too. | ||
| But there just has to be a balance. | ||
| It has to be honest, too. | ||
| If you really feel this way about somebody, if you're really upset with this person, yeah, say how you feel. | ||
| But don't just go out of your way just to be entertaining because you think it's going to be funny or something. | ||
| Or you think it's just going to be, like, it's not genuine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it was just the way you handled yourself. | ||
| Because her whole thing is talking shit. | ||
| Her whole thing is scaring people. | ||
| I'm the boogie woman coming to get you. | ||
| You know, all that stuff. | ||
| And you were just dead-faced. | ||
| And I think that fucked her head up. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| You ever see that video of like the... | ||
| What was that video with the... | ||
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unidentified
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How to Humble a Bully? | |
| Well, not that one. | ||
| The one you just showed me earlier was like, is this dude like standing in front of an elephant? | ||
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unidentified
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Oh, yeah. | |
| And he like started charging at him. | ||
| And then he was like, calm, you know? | ||
| And he just stood there. | ||
| That guy got lucky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That guy got lucky. | ||
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unidentified
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Very lucky. | |
| He got lucky that elephant really didn't want to trample him. | ||
| Yeah, we just watched that elephant is coming through in his light. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that. | ||
| The guy just stands there in one spot and it stops. | ||
| That guy got lucky. | ||
| But yeah, I think that's just... | ||
| Don't try that at home, dude. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Yeah, not advertising that at all. | ||
| That's a different thing, obviously, because you're talking about an animal. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But I think it's a good analogy to draw from Ioana's energy. | ||
| She was very chaotic and very in my face and very threatening. | ||
| Intimidating. | ||
| Yeah, and don't go out of your way to stand in front of an elephant that's running at you. | ||
| Don't put yourself in that position. | ||
| But I had to be there. | ||
| That's my job. | ||
| So when you're in those situations where you don't know what to do, you just stay calm. | ||
| Yeah, well, you didn't just stay calm. | ||
| You stayed eerily calm. | ||
| And you were, like, reciting the Lord's Prayer. | ||
| When I asked you that, I was like, whoa. | ||
| I was like, what are you saying over there? | ||
| And you're like, I'm reciting the Lord's Prayer. | ||
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unidentified
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I'm like, whoa. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Honestly, because, like, the whole training camp was just crazy. | ||
| But, like, that week in particular, like, I was convinced that this might be my last fight. | ||
| This might be my last day on earth. | ||
| Like, I was so just, like, ready for anything at that point. | ||
| Why were you thinking that it might be your last fight? | ||
| I don't know if I'm crazy. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I started to think that almost every fight is tough. | ||
| But it's the best thing in the world. | ||
| Especially all of the... | ||
| All of the stressors that came along with this fight in particular. | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| Especially all of those. | ||
| Extra press. | ||
| And then we've had, in that fight, we had a few, I don't want to say magical moments, but say for instance, we bring Mishka with us everywhere we go. | ||
| Your dog. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Our flight was delayed three hours, four hours. | ||
| And when we landed, we landed like a few hours after that truck drove through the park and killed all the people in New York, which was right by our hotel, which if we would have been there on time, we would have signed the posters and then been outside at a park walking Meshia. | ||
| So, I mean, just little things like that. | ||
| Like we would have been outside maybe at that spot and had been witness to that thing. | ||
| Or at least would have heard it or something. | ||
| And that would have affected me, you know. | ||
| And the Antifa March. | ||
| Yeah, and there is just all this stuff about, you know, like, people are going to be protesting and stuff like that, and they even, like, the day of the fight, and I just get a lot of anxiety over that stuff. | ||
| I get anxiety over, like, big crowds of people, and it's, like, you know, just feel like crazy. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| You know, and it's... | ||
| Yeah, I wasn't even just thinking about the fight with Ioana. | ||
| It was more than that. | ||
| It was what all her energy represented to me, all my past. | ||
| Just negative people that want to strike fear into your heart. | ||
| I wasn't going to let that happen, even though I was scared. | ||
| I wasn't going to stop doing what I was doing just because of that. | ||
| But you were eerily focused. | ||
| One time she stuck her fist in your face and touched your face. | ||
| You didn't even move. | ||
| Yeah, because I know she needed a reaction from me. | ||
| It's just like with anybody. | ||
| If you don't give energy to something negative, you don't feed the fire. | ||
| Yeah, that's gotta be a mindfuck for her though, right? | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| Because she's so used to people reacting to her and headbutting, you know, going head-to-head with her and trying to show her. | ||
| And you just stayed calm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, I mean, you know, it's... | ||
| Either you really... | ||
| I mean, it's either one of two things. | ||
| Either you really dislike me enough to, like, you know, put your hands on me outside of the competition, or it's fake, you know, or it's a character, or you're just doing this for show. | ||
| You know, it's either one of the two, and I just don't think she's really a bad person. | ||
| I just think that, you know, she's put in this position, and maybe she, you know, that's what she felt like she had to do. | ||
| Well, I wrote something about the Volkan Ozdemir-Daniel Cormier fight the other day that what... | ||
| What Ozdemir was trying to do and what Cormier was trying to do is they're trying to sow seeds of doubt. | ||
| There's a real issue with someone that's about to fight where you're about to compete and it's this crazy nerve-wracking thing and the unknown is always there. | ||
| You don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| So if someone can convince you, I'm going to fuck you up, you're like, God damn, is he going to fuck me up? | ||
| You really start thinking it if it's in your head. | ||
| And one of the things that Daniel said in that fight was that there's levels to this thing. | ||
| You think you're going to come in and fuck me up? | ||
| There's levels to this. | ||
| You haven't experienced this yet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's just something that, you know, I have a lot of respect for Juana still, you know. | ||
| And I think it's great that I was put in this position to face her because I had to get better. | ||
| Like, I had to get up to that level, you know, to face her. | ||
| And I had to do a lot of research and work on my, you know, mental stability. | ||
| I mean, she kept saying I was mentally unstable, like, in those, you know, phone calls and stuff, like the conference calls beforehand. | ||
| And I was like, at first I was kind of... | ||
| Why was she saying you were mentally unstable? | ||
| What was the... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because Rose is mentally unstable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, my dad is... | ||
| She was correct. | ||
| Like, in what way? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| To me, I can't speak for myself, but like... | ||
| Pat, you want to speak for her? | ||
| I can speak for her. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure you can come up with all kinds of stuff, but... | ||
| It's like everyone getting ready for a fight. | ||
| There are some people who can be excited about the fight the entire time and they don't give a shit about anything and they just love it. | ||
| And then there's also the ones who get ready for a fight and while getting ready for the fight, it's nerve-wracking. | ||
| And especially with all of the... | ||
| Boogie woman and all the you're mentally unstable and then in the history with her dad and her history growing up and just all of those things coming to a head. | ||
| This was exactly what Rose wanted it to be. | ||
| The scariest possible situation for her to be in. | ||
| In New York with the Antifa march that happened in front of the hotel the morning of... | ||
| We almost didn't make it to the fight. | ||
| What was going on? | ||
| This was the anti-Donald Trump march? | ||
| Something, yeah. | ||
| And it sounded way bigger than it was. | ||
| That was when we had a walk, right? | ||
| We had a walk to the arena? | ||
| No, that was the year before. | ||
| It happened the morning of the fight right through the front of the hotel, which that's fine, but Rose had seen some weeks in advance, someone somewhere posted that Antifa was going to strike on November 4th. | ||
| Yeah, they were planning on taking over the whole country. | ||
| They were planning on a strike on November. | ||
| It ended up being nothing. | ||
| Like, seriously, I was like, we were getting ready. | ||
| Like, we had done our morning shakeout, you know. | ||
| What's the morning shakeout? | ||
| So, like, the day of the fight, we always like to, like, first thing we do when we get up is just shake it out. | ||
| Because all your nerves and stuff, all your nervous energy is inside of you the day of the fight, and you don't want to go to the arena the first time breaking a sweat or getting that heavy breathing. | ||
| A workout before going to the arena? | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| So what kind of workout do you do? | ||
| Just light mitt work? | ||
| Uh, actually, we blow it out hard. | ||
| Like, we just get it out. | ||
| You know, like, you know when you first start running or something, or you do a workout, and you're just, like, breathing heavy? | ||
| Like, you get your first, like, heavy wind out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's, like, you just blow right through it. | ||
| So what kind of stuff do you do? | ||
| Just say pads. | ||
| Like, intense, you know, just whatever. | ||
| Actually, it is, like, you go off of a feel. | ||
| You know, whatever you're feeling. | ||
| Like, some days, when I fought Tisha, I was... | ||
| I'm kind of sick on antibiotics because I got the red tide or something. | ||
| And I barely slept. | ||
| So our shakeout was not very long. | ||
| It was like, okay, I've got to save my energy to get to the arena. | ||
| So we barely even did one. | ||
| But for this one... | ||
| The shakeout was pretty normal. | ||
| We just hit pads. | ||
| Hit pads for about seven minutes and then she shadowboxed real hard for like five minutes. | ||
| Maybe we might do a little bit of grappling or something like that. | ||
| And then we go take a nap, get in a shower, kind of visualize and just lay down. | ||
| Not even take a nap, but just close your eyes. | ||
| Do you always eat the same thing on the day of a fight? | ||
| I barely even eat on a fight day. | ||
| The way I cut weight is I'll do the day before. | ||
| I mean, I don't really have to cut that much weight, but I'll do a juice fast. | ||
| For one day, I'll just drink fluids, and then the next day I'll sit in a hot shower and just sweat it out. | ||
| Because I don't like to dehydrate myself too much. | ||
| I'd rather have fluids and no food than lots of food in my stomach and no fluids. | ||
| And she's talking about sweating out two pounds. | ||
| No, like five pounds. | ||
| Last time... | ||
| I'm getting bigger now. | ||
| This fight was... | ||
| I think I was like 125, 130. I can't remember. | ||
| I think the week of the fight, I was like 127, and by the time weight cuts started, I was like 125-ish. | ||
| So you're cutting 10 pounds? | ||
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Or 120. She was 119 when we started the weight cuts. | |
| Rose walks around. | ||
| Lately, because of the growth in size, lately she's been walking around 125, 127. But every fight, like the day before weigh-in, she's Yeah, by fight week, I'm like 120. Yeah. | ||
| Talking about going to saunas and like, man, what are we going to do to get this one-off? | ||
| It's like, man, go spit. | ||
| So you don't have a particular type of food that you like to eat the day of? | ||
| Or a kind of food? | ||
| Like carbohydrate-rich? | ||
| It depends on where I'm at. | ||
| So like, you know, because every place has different food and like some places there's like nasty food, but... | ||
| In New York, there's this little smoothie shop across the street, and there's this most delicious smoothie. | ||
| I just had it all week. | ||
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unidentified
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A chocolate rose. | |
| Yeah, it was a chocolate rose. | ||
| It was really good. | ||
| So I had that every day of the week. | ||
| And I think the day of the fight, I had a little bit of that. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| When Marty Morgan was his coach, he always used to say, you have enough food and energy in you to sustain you for the fight day. | ||
| It's more just mentally, if you want to eat something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So ever since he ever said that, I was like, yeah, I never wanted to eat during fight day. | ||
| Nerves. | ||
| Yeah, you can't digest it. | ||
| You have to be relaxed. | ||
| What kind of diet do you follow normally? | ||
| I try and make everything homemade as possible. | ||
| So that's kind of my thing. | ||
| I'm never anti-anything. | ||
| I don't like to be like... | ||
| I mean, except for lots of sugar and obviously things that are obviously bad for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like to make everything from scratch as much as possible. | ||
| So you cook? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The more process that something takes in order to make it from scratch, I think the less you should eat it. | ||
| Something like bread. | ||
| If you do it from scratch, make your own starter culture. | ||
| That takes a week by itself. | ||
| You have to add more flour and water to it over time. | ||
| It takes another two weeks. | ||
| So like, you shouldn't be eating bread every day, you know? | ||
| So it takes a lot of work. | ||
| But like say, you know, if you have like a garden, you got tomatoes, which, you know, we grew the last camp. | ||
| You know, you could just eat those real easy because you just pick it and eat it. | ||
| So you make your own bread too? | ||
| I tried once and it was alright. | ||
| But I had to work on it a little bit more. | ||
| But that's my goal. | ||
| To try and make everything from scratch. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Make your own kombucha. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| By the way, this is pretty good. | ||
| Normally I don't like... | ||
| I would use this brand to make my own. | ||
| GTs? | ||
| Yeah, I like to do the starter scoby or whatever. | ||
| Usually I don't like them, but this one's pretty good. | ||
| Yeah, GT's is my favorite. | ||
| You have to have a driver's license to purchase that. | ||
| You have to be over 21. Really? | ||
| Yeah, because it's got more than one half of 1% alcohol by volume, which is so stupid. | ||
| It's impossible to get drunk off of it. | ||
| I mean, it's just got a very marginal amount. | ||
| Because of the fermentation, there's a marginal amount of natural alcohol in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's the good ones. | ||
| There's other ones that you can buy in any store. | ||
| Those aren't watered down. | ||
| Yeah, they don't even have the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like making it myself, though, because I think it tastes a lot better. | ||
| I'll use green tea instead of black tea, and I'll add ginger and stuff like that to it. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Yeah, I did that for a while. | ||
| I just get tired of it. | ||
| I know, yeah. | ||
| Having big bowls laying around. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, but it's fun. | ||
| It's fun to do but I was doing that in the 90s. | ||
| Yeah, wait way back. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I got one from Andy Dick. | ||
| Yeah, Andy Dick gave me like he was making in his house. | ||
| He gave me some I was like, this is actually pretty good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah I don't know. | ||
| So, yeah, like, I mean, I try not to be too scientifical on stuff, but, you know, whatever, like, whatever feel good, like, whatever makes you feel good, I think, is what you should eat. | ||
| So you don't... | ||
| I don't like sweets or anything like that. | ||
| I don't really... | ||
| I grew up, you know, my mom was Lithuanian, like, my parents were actually, like, Lithuanian refugees that came... | ||
| I'm first-generation American, and we grew up, like, eating sauerkraut and potatoes and, you know, just real Eastern European type stuff. | ||
| I never really liked candy or anything like that. | ||
| It's been a lifestyle for me and never a thing that I'm on this diet that I have to do. | ||
| How did you get involved in martial arts? | ||
| My stepdad put me and my brother in taekwondo from a young age. | ||
| And then from there, you know, it was just such a positive thing for me just because it kept us out of trouble. | ||
| It taught me how to defend myself, gave me confidence, things like that. | ||
| And then we also watched a lot of Dragon Ball Z growing up, so we thought we were badasses or whatever, and we thought we could power up and stuff. | ||
| It was a fun thing for, like, as kids. | ||
| And then it kind of just evolved into more of, like, a, you know, real-life application. | ||
| And, you know, people used to make fun of us, like, you know, for doing that. | ||
| But we also used to get in, like, little fights in our neighborhoods and stuff. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| My love for martial arts grew from that, and then I just wanted to try every martial art. | ||
| It's like the flavors of ice cream. | ||
| You just want to try all of it. | ||
| So I tried karate after that, and that's where I got introduced to jiu-jitsu for the first time. | ||
| Real basic positional things, and then weapons and stuff. | ||
| Stick fighting. | ||
| Yeah, I did stick fighting for a while. | ||
| That was pretty fun. | ||
| You get the head cage on, you just whack each other and shit. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| Pancreation. | ||
| And then after that, once I got into high school, I was doing a lot of sports and stuff, like cross-country, basketball, track, everything. | ||
| I just try to be as active as possible, try and stay busy. | ||
| Wrestling? | ||
| Yeah, I did one season of wrestling as a senior. | ||
| And then I did kickboxing, and I met Pat at Duke Roof's gym in Milwaukee. | ||
| And then that's kind of where I saw guys like him, Anthony Pettis, all those dudes doing his profession. | ||
| So I was like... | ||
| I mean, I could do it as a profession, too, you know? | ||
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Wow. | |
| And how old were you at the time? | ||
| So, I first walked into Duke Gym, I think I was, like, 14. And then I left because I had, like, other obligations and, like, you know, stopped training for a while. | ||
| But I was, you know, still doing other sports and stuff. | ||
| And I came back, you know, when I was, like, 17. So, you were really thinking at that time, like, maybe this would be something you could do for a career. | ||
| You know, not for sure, but, like, definitely, like... | ||
| I saw... | ||
| I was always going to be involved in martial arts no matter what. | ||
| So, like, as a hobby. | ||
| Did you have another thing that you were thinking of doing before that, though? | ||
| Like, when you were thinking about your future... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I knew that I had to do something for money, so, like, I tried a semester of college and realized, like, this is just, like, high school, but I'm paying for it. | ||
| Like, this is stupid. | ||
| So I stopped going. | ||
| I really liked English, and so I thought maybe I could go into that, or, like, except I tried to push me into computers, and I was like, this is stupid. | ||
| Like, I'm good at it, but it just really doesn't excite me at all. | ||
| And, um, so, you're like that tassel. | ||
| If she wasn't doing more shorts right now, should I not be touching this? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was a problem. | ||
| You're just weird over there. | ||
| You're making a lot of motion. | ||
| I'm hanging this out, man. | ||
| I think Rose would have been farming. | ||
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Farming? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, my... | ||
| Yeah, that's always been, like, my thing is, like, you know, when they ask us what we want to be when I grow up, I always said I want to be a farmer. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Ever since I was a kindergartner. | ||
| Just because you like the idea of growing things out of the ground and, like you were saying before, making your own food from scratch and... | ||
| Yeah, a tomato from your garden that you grew tastes so much better than from the store. | ||
| Now, when you two started hanging out, and Pat had already been an accomplished kickboxer, was an MMA fighter, and did that sort of embolden you to the idea? | ||
| Oh, to the fighting? | ||
| Like, professionally? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then that's when I saw Gina Carano and Cyborg fighting at that big fight that they had. | ||
| And then that's kind of what inspired me to, like, I was like, oh, I can take this to the next level. | ||
| Wow, the Gina Carano thing, that got a lot of people into MMA, right? | ||
| She was the first. | ||
| A lot of people don't even know. | ||
| A lot of these kids today that know about Ronda Rousey and they got introduced into the sport. | ||
| Gina Carano was the original Ronda Rousey. | ||
| She was the one back in the day. | ||
| Yeah, I liked her a lot. | ||
| She definitely broke some barriers. | ||
| Obviously, Rhonda came after her and took it to even quadruple that. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| What does it feel like to be the champ now? | ||
| Because that's a crazy thing. | ||
| It's a crazy thing that happened. | ||
| The fight was insane. | ||
| And if people thought you were going to win, they probably thought you'd win by submission or maybe by decision. | ||
| But when you cracked her in the first round and dropped her and put her away, and then DC starts screaming, Thug Rose! | ||
| Thug Rose! | ||
| That's like one of my favorite times commentating with DC too because he just was overcome with emotion. | ||
| Just couldn't help it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Somebody asked me, like, what's different since you've been champ? | ||
| And I'm like, really? | ||
| I'm just sitting here trying to figure out what's different. | ||
| Obviously, sitting here talking to you, that's cool. | ||
| I would have talked to you before. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| It's kind of cool to talk to you now that this crazy thing happened. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, things are different. | ||
| I definitely notice more people recognizing me. | ||
| Well, you have a very unique look, too, with your shaved head. | ||
| Yeah, I can't hide. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| You don't have to wear wigs to go to the movies, right? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you guys are going to fight again in April back in New York. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that would be cool if the girls come to Brooklyn. | ||
| Doug Rose is coming to Brooklyn. | ||
| When the fight was over, did you take some time off? | ||
| Did it even sink in? | ||
| Oh yeah, we had to get the fuck out of there. | ||
| We had to go home. | ||
| All that stuff, the truck accident and the protests and all this paranoia that I had, I had to hide away. | ||
| I'm a hermit, so I like to be... | ||
| Bro, we went straight to the airport, 2.30. | ||
| 2.30 in the morning? | ||
| Our flight wasn't until 9 a.m. | ||
| Yeah, we just had to the airport. | ||
| Because we heard there was going to be a marathon, right? | ||
| Yeah, the next day. | ||
| Yeah, we heard there was going to be a marathon, but also Rose did what she did. | ||
| And as soon as it happened, we all went, oh, fuck. | ||
| I feel like I robbed a bank. | ||
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I was like, oh, gotta go home. | |
| Everybody be cool. | ||
| Just keep smiling. | ||
| I mean, obviously I knew that was going to happen. | ||
| I actually envisioned me knocking her out with an uppercut in the third round because I thought she was going to be overly aggressive at a certain point and she would get frustrated. | ||
| That didn't happen because she thought I was throwing a jab. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| Why do you think that, I mean, when you went into that fight, she was such an overwhelming favorite. | ||
| She was thought of as being one of the pound-for-pound top fighters in any weight class. | ||
| And why did you think you were going to knock her out? | ||
| Because everybody tries to take her down. | ||
| Everybody's so desperate for the takedown that it's like, her striking. | ||
| I mean, just from what I see, I mean, I stood across from Valentina Shechenko and we go back and forth. | ||
| It's not a thing to me. | ||
| I got Pat H.G. Berry in my corner. | ||
| I got Trevor Whitman in my corner. | ||
| And I've done taekwondo striking my whole life. | ||
| It's not something that I've never seen before. | ||
| And just that Dutch style of kickboxing, it's great. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's very intimidating to stand across from, but you know it's very rhythmic on the beat. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just something that it looks scary, but it's not to be scared of. | ||
| That's interesting the way you're putting it, because most people thought of her as being like this very solid, her fundamentals are rock solid, she's incredibly technical, vicious jab, but you just saw that the rhythm was predictable. | ||
| We knew everything she was going to do before she did it. | ||
| We've been watching it for a long time. | ||
| And she is the most dominant female. | ||
| These girls could not hang with her. | ||
| And she's still the best out there. | ||
| Yoana's been on the radar since she beat Karla. | ||
| Like, we knew that that was the fight since she beat Karla. | ||
| And it was just a matter of how were we gonna get there? | ||
| Like, what route were we gonna take to get there? | ||
| And so when the fight came around, this entire training camp was mental. | ||
| It wasn't physical. | ||
| The whole training camp, every day was mental. | ||
| Mentality, mind, mental, mental strength, just mental, mental, mental. | ||
| The entire training camp. | ||
| And one of the keys to the fight was knowing what she's going to do before she does it. | ||
| And I mean, not just in the fight, but in the interviews, in the press conference. | ||
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Backstage. | |
| Backstage. | ||
| Like, we knew everything that was going to happen, and it all happened exactly the way we knew it was going to. | ||
| This was an excellent dissection of a person, of an athlete. | ||
| Now, what is the feeling like having gone through that, having accomplished it, having literally blown it out of the water, right? | ||
| You smashed her in the first round. | ||
| Crazy moment. | ||
| Now you gotta do it again. | ||
| I know, yeah, that's the tough part. | ||
| What's the thought process? | ||
| Um, you know, just, uh, you can't make the... | ||
| What was I saying? | ||
| I don't know if I'm going to mess it up. | ||
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Mona Lisa? | |
| Yeah, you can't paint the Mona Lisa twice, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it can't be the same approach, you know? | ||
| It has to be something different. | ||
| It has to be, um, but, you know... | ||
| At the same time, if it ain't broke, don't fix it either. | ||
| So, like, it's got to be a combination of, like, yeah, we're going to keep doing what we're doing, but, you know, keep getting better. | ||
| Obviously, all the time. | ||
| That's always a strategy. | ||
| We don't prepare for one in particular person. | ||
| It's always, Rose is on the road to getting her black belt. | ||
| And that's what the mission is. | ||
| I mean, of course, we do get into particulars based on who it is, but that's only for a very short period of time. | ||
| The whole goal is just to make Rose a black belt in grappling, wrestling, striking, interviews, everything. | ||
| Just become a black belt. | ||
| Become a master of all of it. | ||
| And that's been the goal since we started. | ||
| Like even another, like he was saying, the mentality of this last training camp, it wasn't just like, you know, okay, I'm going to journal, which I do, you know, journal a lot. | ||
| We're all like, you know, like we talk about just doing like a float tank or something like that. | ||
| Like those little mental exercises are great, but also like working on creativity. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I was about to say, I was just doing the number of ice baths you took. | ||
| Oh yeah, I did a lot. | ||
| The last one was the worst. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| But like every day to a point where it actually became challenging for me to get the water colder because I was like, this is ridiculous. | ||
| How she can get in and within under, now it's gotten to a point now it's been under 25 seconds. | ||
| Like the, you know, when you first get it, it's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, boom. | ||
| Like it's under 20 seconds, under 20 seconds and she's just stone-faced. | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The last one that I did, like, it was hurting so bad, I was, like, crying. | ||
| Like, I never had eyes where I started crying, like, because it hurts a bit. | ||
| But anyway, like, yeah, so that... | ||
| Do you find a lot of benefit from that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Like, I mean, the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Reduction of inflammation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then just like mentally and emotionally too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, because it's like, why is this so scary? | ||
| But it hurts, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's good. | ||
| I mean, if you can get in the cold ice bath, then nobody standing across from me is going to scare you. | ||
| There's nothing scarier than the cold. | ||
| But also, and I was trying to say this the whole time, but... | ||
| I've been also getting back into piano, because I used to play piano as a kid, and I got away from that ever since moving from state to state and not having an actual piano, just a keyboard. | ||
| It's stupid trying to play on a keyboard, but I finally got a piano in my house, and so that's another thing that I started incorporating into my training, just training my mind to just be more creative and just having an outlet, too. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So you feel like that benefits you, just being creative on a piano and playing music. | ||
| I think there's a lot of parallels between music and fighting. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| You think so too, Pat? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Well, yeah, I was classically trained in piano and jazz in high school. | ||
| And my mom's a pianist, and so it kind of runs in the family. | ||
| And so we have been doing that as long as I've been doing martial arts. | ||
| And it's just a good balance, you know, just like gardening or anything like that is to, you know, fighting and hurting people. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I think it almost might help with her... | ||
| Body mechanics in a way. | ||
| To be able to control an individual finger at different times and hit one beat on the left hand and a totally different something on the right hand. | ||
| And to be able to just do all of that. | ||
| But over and over and over and over again, no matter how many times you play that same song, you just keep playing it and you love playing it. | ||
| Over and over again, I think that gives Rose a cat-like balance in a way. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I'm sure you have seen a lot of those things that people are doing now where a light will go up on a board and you have to touch the light. | ||
| Lomachenko does a lot of that stuff. | ||
| There's these things that are supposed to be training your neurocognitive function and your ability to react quickly to things. | ||
| I bet there's probably some parallels in that, right? | ||
| I would think so. | ||
| I mean, like we said before, it's like if you believe in it, it works, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whatever makes you feel good, like, whatever makes you happy, too. | ||
| I think it's a huge part. | ||
| We've got a new idea for the second one. | ||
| We've been seeing the lights and the touch, this and that. | ||
| And I think for this next fight coming up, Rose's next evolution in her game, I think, is going to be kind of like a sniper-like accuracy. | ||
| So we have an idea of having Rose... | ||
| Punching tennis balls out of the air. | ||
| Have you ever tried that hat? | ||
| You know that hat with the tennis balls on the hat? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I haven't tried that yet. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't like that. | ||
| You don't like that hat? | ||
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| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's for accuracy? | ||
| Lomachenko loves it. | ||
| He does look pretty cool doing it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's mad at it, but in my own opinion, I think this is staring at this thing and where's it going. | ||
| I do think a double M bag is awesome, too. | ||
| He's just got that tennis ball in front of him. | ||
| He's being fluid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can see him practicing with it. | ||
| Yeah, that's cool as a mug, man. | ||
| Accuracy. | ||
| Like I said, that's somewhat of an idea that we have an idea for this next training camp where we're going to be launching tennis balls at Rose and having her punch balls out of midair. | ||
| But not... | ||
| Hitting the ball, but standing there and throwing jabs as the ball drops right in front of you. | ||
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| Just punching the ball, but throwing real punches. | ||
| This is your own idea that you came up with? | ||
| Yeah, I had a dream. | ||
| It was weird, man. | ||
| I just saw it, and if we throw multiple balls at you in different ways, and she can throw a real jab and hit a ball, boom, then she'll be able to... | ||
| I think her reflexes for hitting someone right in the tooth while they're moving is going to be more elevated. | ||
| And this is like I said, we always add new stuff. | ||
| We don't ever go away from hitting a freaking bag or doing a mitt work. | ||
| Do you do road work? | ||
| Yeah, I love running. | ||
| I love running. | ||
| You know, I did cross-country and track in high school, and I was really good at it. | ||
| But I think I was trying to run for the wrong reasons. | ||
| Like, I was trying to just get a scholarship and get out of the house and just go away. | ||
| You know, like, so I was like, I felt like it was more of a job than it was, like, just for fun. | ||
| And now I run for fun, and it's great, you know? | ||
| It's just like a... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a book called Born to Run, and it's great. | ||
| Do you run with minimalist shoes? | ||
| Yeah, I have some tennis shoes. | ||
| Or toe shoes. | ||
| Do you run with those? | ||
| Yeah, and my brother, he takes it to a whole other level. | ||
| He does barefoot completely. | ||
| I'm like, he's crazy. | ||
| I try a little bit. | ||
| What's he running on? | ||
| Just anything. | ||
| Sidewalk. | ||
| Yeah, my brother's a little different. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| He's a whole other level to me, though. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, who organizes your training camp? | ||
| Does Trevor do it, or do you guys all do it together? | ||
| Yeah, we're all like a team. | ||
| That's the key to our little circle is always having team meetings, everybody being on the same page. | ||
| We're not going from one gym to the other to where this coach don't know really what I'm doing or what I just did with this other coach. | ||
| We're all really good friends, and we all grow together. | ||
| And it's just four of us. | ||
| It's just four of us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Trevor, Tony, Rosby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now we have teammates, but the core circle is just four people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The people that are in charge of how the camp goes. | ||
| Like fight handling is what we like to call it. | ||
| Because it's like, I mean, you don't see Floyd Mayweather going to a boxing class. | ||
| How long has Valentina Shevchenko been in Denver now? | ||
| She went back to Texas, but she... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Last year in January? | ||
| Was it last year? | ||
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Almost all of 2017. That is a phenomenal training partner to have. | |
| Man, that was such the... | ||
| It was fun, though. | ||
| That was perfect timing. | ||
| That was one of the best things that happened. | ||
| She's so technical. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's so good. | ||
| That check right hook that she throws, when she fought Holly with it, she just shot Holly down with that check hook. | ||
| And she's got really good jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she never stops. | ||
| She never stops. | ||
| Yeah, when she submitted Juliana Pena, I was like, oh shit. | ||
| It's very underrated, yes. | ||
| Well, everybody's scared of her striking. | ||
| And her physical strength, too, is also very impressive, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, she muscles people around. | ||
| A little bulldog. | ||
| She's an angry lady, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like her. | ||
| She's tough. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| When I heard that you were training with her, I was like, ooh, you want to sharpen the sword. | ||
| Iron sharpens iron. | ||
| Yeah, and I think too, I think a lot of girls aren't used to training with other girls. | ||
| We're used to training with other guys, so it's like... | ||
| I think it's essential, you know, for us to get together every once in a while. | ||
| It doesn't have to be all the time, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because when a girl gets, like, if I get you, like, another girl with something or she gets me with something, I get so much more angry at it than, like, say if, like, you know, somebody like Pat or another dude, like, gets me with something, you know? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when you're doing your camp, say, how many weeks out do you say, all right, camp begins now? | ||
| Like, say you have this April 7th fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many weeks out will you just say, it's time to go to war? | ||
| I like to close everything off like five weeks out. | ||
| Or like four or five weeks out. | ||
| That's where we hit it hard. | ||
| It also depends on the scenario and who it is and where we are. | ||
| Everything is a day-by-day feel. | ||
| There's no, you eat this one, fight week, and this is the shakeout that we're going to do. | ||
| It's going to be five rounds. | ||
| It's Kind of based on the circumstances, like, so the last training camp, because we did, like, three training camps with Valentina Shevchenko back-to-back for her, like, do things that really aren't, like, what I've, you know... | ||
| Rose was a great training partner. | ||
| Yeah, like, this is not the way that I would try and face her, you know, but I want to try... | ||
| So you emulate certain opponents? | ||
| Yeah, so, like, just going through all of that and all those challenges, going into this last fight, we kind of just pulled it back. | ||
| Like, it was very... | ||
| Not intense at all, actually. | ||
| It was a lot more focused on, like you said, the mental part and doing a lot of visualization and self-awareness kind of exercises. | ||
| Valentina's going to 25 now, right? | ||
| Yeah, I think she'll be fighting on February 3rd. | ||
| And she's been in Texas, I think, training down there. | ||
| Like I said, all on feel. | ||
| What she did with Valentina was off camp. | ||
| So that was three training camps back to back to back. | ||
| She had a fight, then Valentina came back, and it was just more nonstop. | ||
| And the way that Valentina is capable of doing what she's doing because she trains like, I mean, everybody. | ||
| Oh, this girl trains like an animal. | ||
| Everybody does. | ||
| 10 to 1. Yeah, you have to. | ||
| 10 a.m. | ||
| to 1 p.m. | ||
| and Pavel sits there, and Rose isn't necessarily emulating someone. | ||
| Pavel, Rose, go get her. | ||
| Go. | ||
| Attack. | ||
| Attack. | ||
| And if she's not acting right, go get Pat. | ||
| He'll get her. | ||
| Like, attack. | ||
| Like, it's just nonstop. | ||
| That girl is tough, man. | ||
| She was one of the biggest blessings for this training camp to come around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So five weeks out is when you really get crazy. | ||
| Now, having already faced Ioana and having defeated her so soundly in the first fight, I don't want to ever say that there's a possibility that you could underestimate her, because obviously she's a very dangerous and threatening woman, but how do you keep it fresh? | ||
| How do you approach this with the same sort of intensity and anxiety that you had in the first fight that ramped up Like your performance. | ||
| I mean, that was a big part of how turned on you were and how tuned in you were. | ||
| Yeah, I've had... | ||
| I almost get, like, more pressure and anxiety off of, like, rematches. | ||
| I mean, I have all my other past experiences to draw from. | ||
| So, you know, like, when I rematched Tisha, there was a lot of lessons learned there. | ||
| And I have to kind of apply those same lessons to going forward. | ||
| Or, like, other opponents where it could be... | ||
| There's many, like, a list of reasons to underestimate this person. | ||
| Like, I have to remember that... | ||
| Anything can happen at any moment, and anybody can be dangerous. | ||
| And then at the end of the day, you know, whatever's meant to be is meant to be, you know? | ||
| Like, I remember one time, like, in the middle of the training camp, I had, like, you know, I like my little yogi tees where they, like, say, like, a little, you know, saying on it. | ||
| And it was something like, if it belongs to you, it'll come to you, or something like that. | ||
| And so I was just like... | ||
| That's how I feel about the belt. | ||
| It's like, don't go chasing the belt. | ||
| Is the belt meant to be yours? | ||
| It's meant to be yours. | ||
| And do everything that you can to keep it and do everything that you can to just be the best version of you. | ||
| But don't put that pressure on yourself that I have to be the champion or I have to do this. | ||
| Because you don't have to do anything. | ||
| The whole quest has been to see if... | ||
| The mentality has been... | ||
| Let's see if I'm better than this next person. | ||
| Someone out there is better than me. | ||
| Someone eventually is going, maybe. | ||
| Someone out there is better. | ||
| We just need to find out who it is. | ||
| And it might be the next person, even if it's someone who we previously fought. | ||
| It might be her. | ||
| So we have to be the most ready possible because we don't know who that individual is. | ||
| And I think also focusing on keeping the mentality of like, Being curious rather than having a need to know that you're the best. | ||
| Just being curious if you're the best. | ||
| I think that's a healthy way to approach it rather than needing to know I am better than you. | ||
| It's like, I don't know, because we're all the same. | ||
| We're all human beings. | ||
| At the end of the day, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. | ||
| But you went into that fight wholly confident that you were better than her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I definitely feel like I'm the better martial artist and the better fighter too. | ||
| I have a lot going for me, but I just have to remember these things. | ||
| Stay humble. | ||
| Stay focused. | ||
| Stay hungry. | ||
| Now, when it comes to strength and conditioning, how do you parse that out? | ||
| How much time do you spend doing that versus how much do you spend on skill work? | ||
| It's almost all skill work. | ||
| I mean, I shouldn't say all, but the strength and conditioning isn't something that is on the first on the priority list. | ||
| It's kind of just like if we want to change it up or do something different. | ||
| We just got our bikes, and that's been fun to do. | ||
| But I feel like strength and conditioning should kind of just be... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't really believe in all these like strength and conditioning cultures. | ||
| I think whatever you believe in is what, you know, works for you and that it works, right? | ||
| But for me, that's something that I don't really, I feel like a hamster in a wheel if I'm going into like some guy telling me to do these exercises and What is an Earthship? | ||
| It's a self-sustaining house. | ||
| Do you think 90% of the people know what the fuck an Earthship is? | ||
| I think Joe Rogan knows everything. | ||
| He knows everything. | ||
| I've never known you to not know something, man. | ||
| I'm a curious person. | ||
| What's an Earthship? | ||
| An Earthship is a self-sustaining house that is built off of, like, recycled materials. | ||
| And there's a documentary on it called Garbage Warriors. | ||
| And this dude, Michael Reynolds, he's in New Mexico. | ||
| He fought against legislation in a community to make an earthship community. | ||
| In New Mexico? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he fought, I can't remember how long it was, but like 40 years or something crazy, went to court. | ||
| We need to have this because, you know, and they just wouldn't let him. | ||
| You know, so he eventually got it, I think, built the entire community. | ||
| And it's cool. | ||
| You can go there and, like, check it out in Taos, New Mexico. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| And you can, like, rent some and stay in it and check it out. | ||
| It's kind of like off-grid living. | ||
| It looks like Star Wars. | ||
| Like, it's ridiculous. | ||
| Houses built into the ground out of tires. | ||
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| Yeah, Jamie's going to pull something up. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Look at these fucking houses. | ||
| They're cool. | ||
| Yep, they're cool as among them. | ||
| I need to go to New Mexico. | ||
| Dude, it's cool. | ||
| I keep saying, I need to check out New Mexico, goddammit. | ||
| Let us know when you're going. | ||
| There's a hot spring that we go through. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| It's cool. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| We've got to go there and interview Rick Strassman. | ||
| That's where he lives. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He lives in town. | ||
| He says it's all hippies. | ||
| That place is dope. | ||
| It is hippie-dippie, for sure. | ||
| Make a large picture of that house. | ||
| That house looks badass. | ||
| Look at that shit. | ||
| They're not just built anywhere. | ||
| They do some type of coordinates so the house faces a certain direction and the sun comes through and keeps the house lit. | ||
| It monitors the 70 degrees is the best possible way. | ||
| The interior. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| You can have aquaponics inside and they have banana trees growing in the middle of New Mexico. | ||
| And you can fish in your living room. | ||
| I've seen people do shit like that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Fish in your living room. | ||
| I mean, you can have your aquaponics where your fish are and you can have your plants and stuff. | ||
| And the fish shit fertilizes your plants. | ||
| I've seen a lot of that. | ||
| And it conserves water and stuff. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| And they're built into the ground, so they're really resistant to... | ||
| This house is dope! | ||
| I want to move! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we went to Indonesia and built one of these for like 30 days. | ||
| And we did a whole YouTube video on it and stuff. | ||
| Just YouTube? | ||
| My Thug Diaries. | ||
| I have a YouTube channel. | ||
| I haven't done it in a while. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| Thug Diaries. | ||
| Thug Rose. | ||
| How'd you get that name? | ||
| You're such a nice person. | ||
| How could you have this thug name? | ||
| Because I had to, well, so, you know, my ice cold stare, I've developed that long ago, you know, because I was never a witty person. | ||
| I never had, like, a good comeback for anything, so I just had to beat people's ass like that was making fun of me. | ||
| Or I have to, like, scare them off, like, just be all serious. | ||
| So that's, like, kind of where it came from. | ||
| And my neighbor, I had some Jamaican neighbors that, her name is Erica Gibbs. | ||
| And she always used to be like, that's Doug Rose right there. | ||
| And she always tell everybody, like, that's Doug Rose. | ||
| You see her? | ||
| She crazy. | ||
| I'm telling you, that was one of my fondest memories when DC was screaming that out. | ||
| That was a pretty genuine moment, man. | ||
| Oh, it was 100%. | ||
| People gave him a hard time about that. | ||
| I was like, dude, don't ever change that. | ||
| That is one of the things that makes you amazing. | ||
| The fact that he's doing commentary and it's like we're on a couch together. | ||
| We're watching the fight at home. | ||
| He's like, dog! | ||
| Doug Rose! | ||
| Doug Rose! | ||
| And it was genuine happiness. | ||
| He was enjoying that moment. | ||
| He was animated. | ||
| And it was so stunning and shocking. | ||
| And that was his real, honest reaction to it. | ||
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Right. | |
| That was cool. | ||
| I like DC. That's why I feel like strength and conditioning, I think that was the best Like shoveling stuff, like picking up heavy buckets and tires and things like that. | ||
| It made me feel like I was actually doing something rather than just like a hamster on a wheel. | ||
| Just like, okay, I'm working out and I'm getting in better shape, but I feel like I could be actually doing something productive here and getting muscles too. | ||
| So to answer the question, we don't really do... | ||
| The strength and conditioning that we do isn't like... | ||
| It's not weightlifting and all sorts of things. | ||
| I mean, sometimes, you know, if we feel like it, but, you know. | ||
| How do you know when to do it? | ||
| Say if you're in a camp, when do you know when you want to lift weights or something? | ||
| I mean, for this last training camp, I barely lifted a weight. | ||
| I don't think I did. | ||
| We hardly ever do. | ||
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We did. | |
| It's more like an off-season kind of thing. | ||
| We're just like, oh, let's just go to 24 for fun. | ||
| Walk around all day with a 40-pound weight vest on it. | ||
| Shadow boxing. | ||
| Shadow boxing is the best workout you could possibly do. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I think people practice hitting pads all the time, but if you don't ever practice missing a punch, you will get tired. | ||
| If you throw three punches and miss, and you never practice that, you'll be surprised at how tired you are. | ||
| Yeah, it is kind of incredible how tired you get missing things. | ||
| It doesn't make sense to people. | ||
| And if you watch people's shadow box, even professionals, they suck. | ||
| You know, they just don't deal with no emotion, no, like, visualizing, like, somebody in front of you. | ||
| Like, if you ever watch, like, my old jiu-jitsu coach back in Minnesota, Greg Nelson, if you ever watch him, Shadowbox, he's, like, fighting people and killing people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know who's got a great video on shadowboxing is Joseph Valtellini, former Glory Champion. | ||
| He's got a whole series of things put up on his YouTube. | ||
| He's got some great instructional YouTube videos. | ||
| But one of the things that he went and talked about is that you should think of that as like you're fighting. | ||
| You should visualize like fighting. | ||
| And you're going through... | ||
| Scenarios in your head. | ||
| You know, you're checking kicks and countering with right hands and delivering techniques. | ||
| That's what a lot of people, I think they forget about the imagination part of shadowboxing. | ||
| People, they leave that out. | ||
| They think, okay, stand there, throw some punches, throw some kicks, stretch my tricep twice, and then throw two more punches and move my head once. | ||
| They get bored with it. | ||
| They're not visualizing someone in front of you throwing punches and kicks at you and fighting back, and they're not visualizing someone reacting to the punches that you're throwing and firing back and moving around. | ||
| And when it comes to shadowboxing, that's what we really, a strength and conditioning. | ||
| Shadowbox, 40-pound weight vest on, walk around all day. | ||
| Don't even do anything. | ||
| We just stay home all day with the weight vest on. | ||
| You do that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Uh, yeah. | ||
| Going around the dog park, bike riding with the weight. | ||
| Yeah, weight vest is nice. | ||
| And, um, we also saw some logs. | ||
| What is so good about the weight vest? | ||
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Like, the hyperbaric, what was that thing that they used to get into? | |
| Dragon Ball Z? Hyperbolic time chamber. | ||
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No. | |
| What was the dragon ball? | ||
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What was the gravity thing that they got into? | |
| Well, that's just such a reoccurring theme in the Dragon Ball Z series. | ||
| It's just gravity training. | ||
| Because once you take your weight vest off, you just feel lighter. | ||
| You can breathe a lot easier. | ||
| If you can get accustomed to... | ||
| Breathing with a weight vest, just sitting on your shoulders all day and moving around with this thing, and it's just... | ||
| It strengthens you. | ||
| And then when you take it off, when you take it off, it's almost like you're instantly feeling. | ||
| Do you carry backpacks and stuff when you go hunting and stuff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I even have a pack that I wear that has a bolt on it for Olympic plates. | ||
| It's called an Atlas Weight Trainer by a company called Outdoorsman's. | ||
| And they make it specifically so that people can train for hunting scenarios where you... | ||
| You know, you have these heavy packs on so you could put 90 pounds on your back with these plates and it clamps down just like a regular barbell has a whole locking mechanism on. | ||
| But it's a real good backpack where it like sits on your hips and connects in and it's perfectly like tuned into your, you know, padded right for your shoulders and everything. | ||
| I mean, like I said, I'm not trying to be against strength and conditioning, but it's just whatever makes you happy. | ||
| I don't feel happy doing strength and conditioning. | ||
| I want to have fun with it, too. | ||
| But I like manual labor. | ||
| I like digging holes. | ||
| I like getting dirty. | ||
| I like being outside kind of thing. | ||
| But I used to power lift before I got to Colorado. | ||
| So that was a great... | ||
| Thing for me at the time, and I think it's just phases, you know, you just do different things. | ||
| You always gotta change it up. | ||
| And like, there's this, what were you watching that one weightlifting documentary where he's like, if you can't do a deadlift, you know, there's no point in living. | ||
| And it was like, yes, I mean, deadlifts are the shit, you know, and squats and just like the basic, you know, like powerlifting positions or like movements. | ||
| But overall, I just like to like one training camp when I fought Paige. | ||
| I literally for a conditioning condition or for a conditioning exercise, I would chase my dog for like five, five minute rounds because she's the fastest thing ever. | ||
| I could chase her. | ||
| So I couldn't catch her. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| That's a good way to do it. | ||
| I mean, Rocky used to chase chickens, right? | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I'm looking. | |
| I run with my dog all the time. | ||
| Dogs are in shape, man. | ||
| They don't get tired. | ||
| We have videos of it. | ||
| That's getting ready for a fight. | ||
| What's she doing? | ||
| She's chasing the dog. | ||
| What else? | ||
| It shouldn't be a miserable thing. | ||
| Training camp should be hard work, but it should also be fun. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, what the hell am I doing if I'm not having a good time doing what I love to do, like, just for money? | ||
| Like, no, I want to make sure that I'm enjoying myself during these training camps and making sure that if I didn't have this fight, would I still be doing this kind of thing? | ||
| Well, I've always said that to someone that has asked, like, how do I get in shape? | ||
| I said, well, if you take martial arts, the beautiful thing about it is you're getting in shape, but you're having fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you're enjoying it, and then you don't even realize how hard the work is because you're having fun. | ||
| And you're getting a skill. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You're getting a skill. | ||
| You're thinking. | ||
| It's like Gi Jiu Jitsu. | ||
| This is me saying that. | ||
| Gi Jiu Jitsu is better than lifting weights, in my opinion. | ||
| How so? | ||
| Because, man. | ||
| Heavy weight with Gi, it's slow, so it's so much static holding. | ||
| Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it's so much static holding. | ||
| I'm sure you're doing it right. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I feel like as if when you get out of it, because it's a fun activity and because it's interesting and it's not just... | ||
| 20. Now, I like doing, I can hit a set of 100 curls right now. | ||
| We can, I can, I like weights, but gi jujitsu has been, that's been just phenomenal, man. | ||
| Just like the strength that you can get from that. | ||
| If you're strong there, then you're strong a lot of other places. | ||
| And when it comes to rows of conditioning, like rows, we just, we practice functional things. | ||
| Punching harder. | ||
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| Kicking harder. | ||
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Right. | |
| Grabbing the dummy and guillotining it, squeezing it for a 10-second hold and letting it go. | ||
| Yeah, like a Bubba dummy, like one of those? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those things are great. | ||
| Greg Nelson would walk around with a screamer stick. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| On his arm, he would just sit there and Kimura the stick over and over again against his forearm and just Kimura the stick over and over. | ||
| Just to practice that technique. | ||
| We wondered why is this going on, but then if he grabs your arm, it's pretty hard to stop. | ||
| He's actually the reason why my Kimura got so good is because we were literally like shrimp up and down the mat, shadowing, like shadow boxing, shadow grappling, like Kimuras, just over and over again. | ||
| Greg's an underappreciated guy. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| We're an underappreciated guy in the world of martial arts. | ||
| Very, very knowledgeable guy. | ||
| Very nice guy, too. | ||
| Very knowledgeable. | ||
| That's one of the guys that... | ||
| That, for sure, is one of the guys who you can ask a question about... | ||
| Any type of technique or anything. | ||
| And not only can he give you the answer, but he can give you the history behind it. | ||
| He sits up. | ||
| This dude is a martial artist out of this world. | ||
| It was a big deal bumping into him. | ||
| And then taking everything that she's learned from him and then coming to Denver where we met Tony Basile, our grappling coach. | ||
| And then he took everything that all of the... | ||
| The technical things that Rose learned and took that to another level. | ||
| Put some flavor in it, man. | ||
| Just took it to another level. | ||
| Tony Vingas. | ||
| It's just a good combination. | ||
| Greg Nelson is a very martial artist, very strict, and Tony's very Very creative and just does different movements and things that you haven't seen before. | ||
| I'd like you both to speak to that because it's very important to me too. | ||
| The coaches that you get, the martial arts instructors that you get, the people that you run into, they're so critical. | ||
| It's so important and they should be praised. | ||
| If you see a guy like Matt Hume who could create a Mighty Mouse, those people... | ||
| They're so rare. | ||
| It's like they're so valuable. | ||
| And you gotta get that connection with that coach. | ||
| That's important too. | ||
| You gotta find the right fit. | ||
| Find the compatibility. | ||
| So I think that's why you see some people bouncing around because they don't really vibe with this place. | ||
| Or you don't vibe with the community, the town that you're in. | ||
| Maybe you don't want to live in this city and so you try out Denver for a little bit. | ||
| Maybe Milwaukee's your spot. | ||
| There's so many different alternatives and there's so many different styles that people have. | ||
| For some people, American Top Team would be the spot. | ||
| For some people, maybe they should try Montreal and go up to see Farah Sahabi. | ||
| We're so fortunate now, I think, that there's so many places to choose from. | ||
| You can go to John Crutch down in Arizona. | ||
| You can go to the Lab. | ||
| You can go to Duke Rufus in Milwaukee. | ||
| There's so many places now. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| You just have to find your flavor. | ||
| There's some places where you go, there's some gyms that you go to, and the training at the gym consists of who shows up to practice that day, and it's just like, alright everybody, we're working on single legs, and just go, and just fight. | ||
| That's the one thing I don't... | ||
| You get better based on who showed up, like all your teammates that showed up, and then there's the coaches where they're very one-on-one-ish, like the Matt Hume-created Demetrius Johnson, like Trevor Whitman is... | ||
| Is good enough to take an individual and make them an individual versus, alright, everyone in the room, we're all going to throw this one jab and that's it. | ||
| He's very, very specific and he can find what you're good at and help you become an individual, like I say, in the gym. | ||
| Yeah, and maybe his style is perfectly matched for you, but it might not be perfectly matched for somebody else. | ||
| And it's such an interesting relationship between trainers and fighters. | ||
| And what really bums me out is how sometimes fighters forget. | ||
| They just forget what got them there. | ||
| They forget. | ||
| They think it's all about them. | ||
| And it's such a selfish sport in a lot of ways because it's really only you in there. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they've been in so many training camps. | ||
| Literally, Pat has a meniscus surgery that he needs to get fixed. | ||
| They beat up their bodies just as much as we do to train with us. | ||
| Especially in my situation where it is fight handling and it is very one-on-one kind of a deal. | ||
| Where it's not like I have hundreds of training partners and I go to this, you know, like ATT for example. | ||
| They have like hundreds of people there and, you know, like I just have these guys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's good to appreciate your coaches. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| You know, it really is. | ||
| It's such an unusual relationship, the relationship between a fighter and a coach. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like, once I finally, you know, once I finally went through kind of just my different learning lessons, like, after I fought Carolina, I didn't have him in my corner. | ||
| And, like, after, like, I realized that that was, you know, the missing link. | ||
| And we... | ||
| It's just something that I realized, you know, if I can't do it with these guys, I don't want to do it no more. | ||
| You know, because it's all about being happy. | ||
| It's all about what makes you happy. | ||
| I mean, you ever notice how, like, kids never get tired or, like, they can just run around in circles for forever, and it's because they're having fun doing it. | ||
| And so that's where the training is based, is, like, whatever makes you happy. | ||
| Now, when you look at your future and you say, I'm the champ now, do you have a roadmap that you have? | ||
| Like, I want to retire in 10 years. | ||
| I want to get this. | ||
| I want to accomplish these things. | ||
| Do you have anything like that? | ||
| Yeah, I like to have a plan. | ||
| And then if things change, that's fine. | ||
| You have to be able to adapt. | ||
| I plan on not fighting longer than five years from now. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| 25. So 30, that's a wrap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want to fight in my 30s. | ||
| I mean, I could, you know, by the time that comes around, like, time flies, like, I could be three years old and be like, fuck that, I'm getting some more fights. | ||
| Seven more fights. | ||
| One more. | ||
| Well, it's also, you have the potential to be a fucking huge star. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I don't want to freak you out, but you're a very unique person, and you're at this very strange time in history where I don't want to freak you out, but I think the sport needs someone like you. | ||
| I really think you're a very unique individual, and I think that perspective can help a lot of people to recognize that there's a broad spectrum of people out there that are doing this, and that your genuine Your genuine behavior and thought process and how in-depth your thought process is. | ||
| I think it's very important right now. | ||
| I think it is important, especially for women too, you know, because we have a tendency to be pretty catty and bitchy towards each other, and I think that if I can show an example to other women to be more loving to each other, and not just, you know, woman to woman, but to each other, man or woman, I think it's important. | ||
| And also the way you shave your head, you're wearing sweatpants, you don't give a fuck. | ||
| But you're still beautiful. | ||
| And you're also a beautiful person, like your personality. | ||
| And I think that that's so needed right now. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| In time, there's always dark times, and there's light times, there's dark times. | ||
| And we've been... | ||
| In the world in general for the last few years has been kind of things have been kind of like people are wearing more sunglasses at night The fighters are getting more ridiculous. | ||
| It's just yeah, and I feel like as if Not that we've hit a seriously low point, but things have gotten pretty whack. | ||
| And I have the feeling that after that performance, like after what she did and what she said, that that was like a spark of the beginning of things coming back up. | ||
| Like just things being a little bit more, not so... | ||
| Not so fucking ridiculous. | ||
| Like I said, everybody's got their sunglasses on. | ||
| Everybody's showing up with a leather jacket with no shirt on under it. | ||
| Everybody's talking crazy shit and just being ridiculous, man. | ||
| Well, Connor kind of changed the game. | ||
| He did. | ||
| He kind of let everybody know how valuable shit talking is. | ||
| Now everybody's going to be wearing these pants? | ||
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| Well, I hope so. | ||
| I mean, it seemed to me, this is just my take on it. | ||
| The UFC missed out with Amanda Nunes they when they were marketing Ronda Rousey for that fight first of all I was looking at those like this is all Ronda Rousey and she is facing in my opinion the worst possible matchup Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt who hits like a fucking truck and a real tested warrior and But they didn't promote her. | ||
| They didn't promote it. | ||
| They promoted the Ronda Rousey thing, the Ronda Rousey comeback, and her walking around her mansion frowning like, she's coming back. | ||
| Like, she's coming back to fight a fucking killer. | ||
| And why not promote the killer? | ||
| Like, this woman is murking people. | ||
| Like, what she did to Misha Tate. | ||
| Look at what she's doing to people. | ||
| She's blasting people into orbit. | ||
| And then... | ||
| She wins, and here you have this opportunity. | ||
| You have the very first openly gay woman who is a mixed martial arts UFC champion. | ||
| First one ever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's no big push. | ||
| But that also, from what we've just discovered over the last three months, that could also be Amanda, though. | ||
| We left New York that night and nothing was different for two months, bro. | ||
| Yeah, but we created that ourselves. | ||
| We did that. | ||
| We went home and we looked out the window for two months trying to figure out who's walking down the street. | ||
| We shut it down. | ||
| They wanted Rose to instantly go on a victory tour across New York. | ||
| They wanted us to stay in New York. | ||
| After that whole week in New York, after the fight, they said, we want you to stay in New York to go on a victory tour. | ||
| I was like, no way. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| We have to go. | ||
| We have to leave. | ||
| Not only do we have to leave, we're leaving right now. | ||
| But did you think that there was some benefit in doing a victory tour? | ||
| Of doing a bunch of different television shows? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I feel like I might have, like... | ||
| I don't know what I would have even said in interviews at that time. | ||
| Because it was just, like, still processing. | ||
| That wouldn't have been a good time. | ||
| But I think that's one of the things that people would like. | ||
| To see you try to process it. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
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Like a guinea pig. | |
| People were going to see Rose do this. | ||
| But I honestly think in that circumstance, it's critical who you talk to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you could be talking to some fucking normal morning show dummy, and they don't give a shit about the sport, and they're going to ask you stupid questions. | ||
| You're only on for five minutes. | ||
| You're like, well, you know, hey, it all worked out. | ||
| Hey, what's up, mom? | ||
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| You know, wave at the camera. | ||
| I think looking back in hindsight, I wish I could have, like, took it in a little bit more, but it was kind of like, okay, next fight. | ||
| Like, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's just like, everything is just, and we're like, okay, let's get out of here. | ||
| Like, As soon as the fight happened, we all stood up, we shook hands, and we said, everybody be cool, we just gotta get the fuck, we just gotta get home. | ||
| I gotta say, I like that too, though. | ||
| I like that approach too. | ||
| I like that you just get the fuck out of Dodge. | ||
| So, in our entire relationship, Pat has had to learn this over time, that if I get the instinct to, we need to bust out, you have to listen to me. | ||
| Now's the time to go. | ||
| I'll just get this feeling. | ||
| I'm like, something will happen as soon as we're leaving. | ||
| Multiple occurrences where Rose's intuition has been spot on. | ||
| Hey, yo, we gotta get the fuck out of here right now. | ||
| And we're like, alright, cool. | ||
| So there's no question. | ||
| Now there's no question anymore. | ||
| If Rose said, right now, we out, we drop. | ||
| Everybody knows it's a countdown. | ||
| Rose said, let's bounce. | ||
| Ten. | ||
| Nine. | ||
| And we're gonna launch. | ||
| The last time she did this, we... | ||
| We gotta get the fuck out of here. | ||
| We were leaving. | ||
| This was one of the first times we had gone out to a nightclub in five years. | ||
| We've been saying, we need to go out for three years, and eventually Valentina won her fight in Denver, so we're like, we're going out tonight. | ||
| We're going to go out tonight. | ||
| You want to do it? | ||
| We're going to do it? | ||
| And we went out, and it was fun, and we danced, and for years we haven't done anything like this. | ||
| We danced, and it was great, and everybody had a great time, and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 12.31, Rose says, Yo, let's get the fuck out of here. | ||
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And it's instant. | |
| It's instant. | ||
| It's the instant change of the feeling around 1 o'clock or something. | ||
| I said, we gotta get the fuck out of here. | ||
| And within a minute, we had eight people. | ||
| We were grabbing people. | ||
| Come with us. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Yo, you're from the gym. | ||
| How are you getting home? | ||
| Come with us. | ||
| Like, to get in the van, and we walked through the club, down the stairs, past this really big guy that was by the front door arguing with the security guy. | ||
| Right past him. | ||
| And as soon as we got past him, he started shooting everybody. | ||
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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop! | |
| You just start shooting everybody. | ||
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What? | |
| It's been instances like this. | ||
| And you were there while the gun was going off? | ||
| And then, not only that, but we got in the van and everybody fucking don't move. | ||
| The dude, he walked to the car that was parked right in front of us. | ||
| Like, we were parked. | ||
| Like, this chick, we're in the van. | ||
| This chick runs up to the door. | ||
| She's scrambling, trying to get in. | ||
| This guy's casually walking. | ||
| We don't know what's going on. | ||
| He's just casually walking around. | ||
| We just see this guy. | ||
| He opens up the door, pulls the gun out. | ||
| She's like, pow, pow! | ||
| Shoots her? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| She was with him. | ||
| She was getting in the car. | ||
| He was having an argument with the doorman, I think. | ||
| Because they weren't letting him in or something like that. | ||
| So he just started shooting. | ||
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Pow, pow, pow, pow. | |
| And then he walked to his car. | ||
| And then when he got in his car, he said, huh, huh? | ||
| Put the gun up again. | ||
| They hit him with two douche. | ||
| And then got in the car and they just casually drove off right while we're sitting in the van. | ||
| Yeah, so it's like instances like that where I'm just like, yeah. | ||
| Like I will call it like instantly like... | ||
| So you just think you have very good intuition? | ||
| Yeah, because I've just seen stuff like that. | ||
| I just can feel the energy of a room change. | ||
| When I was a kid and we were just playing basketball, and it's weird how nobody else would pick up on it except for myself. | ||
| In those situations, like, I was playing basketball with my friends, and then, like, down the street, I thought I heard something in the distance that, like, you know, just people talking, or some, like, people making noises, but I didn't, you know, there's always noise. | ||
| We're in the middle of the city, you know, but for some reason, my attention was brought to this noise, like, something's wrong. | ||
| So I look, and I'm like, man, I think I see some people wrestling over there or something, and then, You know, my friends were like, oh, no, they're probably cool. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| And I was like, I'm going to go over there and check it out. | ||
| And so I run across the street a couple blocks down, and then all of a sudden I see a guy have a knife. | ||
| He stabs him, and then he falls down. | ||
| And he turns towards me, and then I'm like... | ||
| And then I realized that my little dude that I would help raise as a kid, because he was young as well as myself, his name was Matthew, and then I saw him follow me over here, and so I thought I was the only one. | ||
| So I was like, oh shit, Matthew, go home. | ||
| So we had to run. | ||
| Yeah, and then he ended up just driving off or whatever. | ||
| I don't know if they found the guy or whatever, but... | ||
| Rosa said shit like we're on the highway driving on a road trip. | ||
| She's like, get off right here. | ||
| Like, just quick. | ||
| Get off right here. | ||
| Go to start getting off and the car flips over. | ||
| It's spooky. | ||
| I don't question it. | ||
| I don't question it anymore. | ||
| And then just like, you know, just like the whole thing with the truck driving accident. | ||
| Like, that type of stuff. | ||
| Like, it just seems like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's why I always believed in the fact that if you're delayed or you're late for something, it's for a reason. | ||
| So that's why the week of the fight, I was getting nervous because it was like, we're going to get there late and things are starting to go wrong already. | ||
| And then once we landed, I kind of put the pieces together. | ||
| Like, oh, yeah, that's why everything happens for a reason. | ||
| So do you always feel like you're kind of tuned in to something that other people aren't tuned into? | ||
| It depends on where I'm at in my life. | ||
| Sometimes if I'm living the right way, if I'm healthy, if I'm in shape, or if I'm spiritually right. | ||
| You're tuned in that way, that you're not troubled. | ||
| If I'm making the wrong choices, if I'm surrounding myself around evil and stuff. | ||
| The wrong people, you're troubled. | ||
| Then I won't have... | ||
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Then you're confused and distracted by those troubles. | |
| Decisions or like, yeah. | ||
| Or to have good intuition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if you're free of any regret or remorse of your own actions, more clearly you can discern what's going on in your environment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's why I say like... | ||
| Very, very, very super observant. | ||
| I mean, just coming up with a... | ||
| And it's almost like a... | ||
| I would say just from the stories that I've heard of growing up in the past. | ||
| Because of those experiences, she got a really good... | ||
| Really good at scoping out a room. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's really hard to sneak up on Rose. | ||
| She sees you coming from two days ago. | ||
| It's a... | ||
| She's very observant. | ||
| Let's say that. | ||
| In a way, because of growing up, it's a skill that had to be developed. | ||
| You know, you snuck up on me once, it'll never happen again. | ||
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Right. | |
| And we even, like, as kids, like, you know, people that I used to, like, hang out with in my neighborhood, we would, like, help each other out. | ||
| Like, we would teach each other, like, yeah, don't go down that place or don't hang out over there because somebody got shot over there or, like, you know, like, the same car, like, circles around this block too many times, like, go inside, you know. | ||
| How hard is it to watch each other fight? | ||
| When he was fighting, it was pretty hard for me. | ||
| But then when I was actually there, when he had a kickboxing fight, and I was actually able to be in his corner, I felt a lot better. | ||
| But being away at home, that was difficult for me. | ||
| And also because she knew internally I wasn't ready. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I guess, not all the time, but yeah. | ||
| That's also the big part of it. | ||
| Like, I could have been more ready for the majority of the fights that Rose was around for. | ||
| And what was wrong? | ||
| With me? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just fighting for the wrong reasons and just not necessarily going about it in the healthiest way. | ||
| I mean, I had a prescription pill problem. | ||
| The whiskey was delicious. | ||
| I mean, just living not the healthiest life and not the best life. | ||
| Like I said, I was doing it for the wrong reasons. | ||
| When Rose and I met, I said, you are good enough to be a world champion. | ||
| You're good enough to be the best in the world, and this is something that you really want to do. | ||
| I'll make sure you never have to have a job. | ||
| All you have to do is train. | ||
| If this is something that you really want to do, I'll make sure you never have to work a day in your life. | ||
| All you have to do is train and be a fighter, and that's it. | ||
| So as soon as that started, I kind of caught myself... | ||
| Getting into fights asking, how much does this one pay? | ||
| 25 and 25? | ||
| Alright, cool. | ||
| I can do some math on it. | ||
| If I win, I'll do some math on it. | ||
| Alright, cool. | ||
| Just get into the fight. | ||
| You lost. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| How much? | ||
| Like, I find myself getting uncontrollably getting into that scenario. | ||
| Now, the kickboxing message was that I was ready for that. | ||
| Like, I actually... | ||
| Was was past all that shitty decision-making that I was making and and was actually prepped for that one But there were other times where whether it be conscious or not Subconsciously there was somewhere inside of I would guess the mind where we both knew that I wasn't I hadn't done I'm supposed to do ten but no one's looking so I only did eight and I just didn't say anything You know I mean like that that type of thing Do you have regret? | ||
| No No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Never. | ||
| And the reason why is because if I go back and change anything, I won't be sitting here talking to you right now. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like every decision that I've made, every life experience that I've had, dad passing away when I was a kid, having to do all these different, like all of the decisions that I've made and all of the trials and tribulations that I've been through have been exactly why I'm sitting here right now with a beautiful woman right next to me who happens to be a world champion talking to Joe Rogan. | ||
| And, you know, I've learned a lot of lessons from his mistakes, you know, and his successes as well, you know, just watching him go through all that. | ||
| It's helped me a lot. | ||
| Yeah, no regrets. | ||
| It's almost like I've been able to experiment with having a UFC career, but not actually having to, like, do it, you know, like living vicariously through him. | ||
| And then now I can know what I can do different. | ||
| It's like doing it all over again. | ||
| When did you decide to stop, Pat? | ||
| Still not. | ||
| You still not? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I'm never going to... | ||
| This doesn't have to be a belief that everybody believes in, but I believe that if you're a fighter, you don't really retire. | ||
| You never really retire until people just stop giving you fights. | ||
| I'm never going to want to... | ||
| I'm always going to want to fight. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Always, always. | ||
| What was the last time you fought? | ||
| Man. | ||
| Two years ago? | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| Was it in Glory? | ||
| No, this was, like, Legacy? | ||
| No, Legacy? | ||
| I think I fought Demario Dennis, who was maybe my last fight, last kickboxing match, I think. | ||
| I think that was like two years ago, but I still want to fight now. | ||
| I have a lateral meniscus tear that I would like to get. | ||
| I need for just my own happiness and for Rose's training campaign to get done with. | ||
| Like, take care of that because that puts a lot of hindrance on training. | ||
| After all these years, as soon as the knee starts feeling weird, I automatically just take it easy and just don't fuck with it too much. | ||
| Is it a tear that can be fixed with stem cells or is it something that has to be done with a scope? | ||
| I think it needs a scope. | ||
| We are just finding out about stem cells. | ||
| The question I was going to ask you, how do you feel about that? | ||
| What you told me before. | ||
| But I'm a big believer in it. | ||
| It does some pretty miraculous shit if you use it correctly and you get a good doctor. | ||
| Do you know Dr. Davidson from the UFC? Talk to him about it. | ||
| He's who I talked to. | ||
| I called him kind of in a... | ||
| We're 11 weeks out from the fight. | ||
| I would like to call myself one of Rose's main training partners. | ||
| And it would be cool if I can get this knee taken care of either this week or next week at the latest so I can have the few weeks off of recovery and still have seven weeks left to... | ||
| Attack Rose every day. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| In order for us to do that. | ||
| But do I want to fight again? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm always going to want to fight. | ||
| I've got to fight over yesterday. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| You've got to fight over yesterday. | ||
| No, not hell no. | ||
| Will I fight again? | ||
| Rose is the star of the show. | ||
| Not for pennies, though. | ||
| It has to be the right... | ||
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I got offered a fight against Pedro Hizzo. | |
| I think it was going to be on a Sunday at the county fair or something like that. | ||
| Pedro Hizzo, man. | ||
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He's a guy who's been around a long time. | |
| He's been in some wars. | ||
| A long time. | ||
| But I got offered that and I said no thank you. | ||
| But I'm still getting the calls every once in a while. | ||
| Why'd you say no thank you? | ||
| Because it was a bad offer? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Well... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not good timing. | ||
| And this is an MMA fight or a kickboxing fight? | ||
| Man, I think it was going to be a kickboxing match with MMA gloves on, I think. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I also had another fight with Eric Prendel that was supposed to be November 18th. | ||
| That was a kickboxing match with MMA gloves on, I think. | ||
| And that one got postponed, which was completely great. | ||
| Like, Rose... | ||
| Is the shit. | ||
| I'm not getting in the way of that. | ||
| Like, Rose is fucking rolling right now. | ||
| I'm embracing the role of a coach and team leader now. | ||
| Not being the athlete anymore. | ||
| And I get it. | ||
| I know I'm 38 now. | ||
| Whatever the fuck's going on with me. | ||
| Which things are a lot better now. | ||
| I'm healthy and everything's great. | ||
| But... | ||
| Rose is where it's at. | ||
| That's where my time and attention has been since we met. | ||
| And it's still gonna be that way. | ||
| I said when we met, I was gonna make it a point. | ||
| You have what it takes to be the best. | ||
| I'm gonna make sure of it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that's the role that I like. | ||
| That's the role that I like now. | ||
| It's a lot more comfortable now. | ||
| Oven-baked pizza every fucking night. | ||
| Like, I love it. | ||
| It's more comfortable now for me to do that. | ||
| Now, at the exact same time, it drives me crazy that I'm not fighting. | ||
| You just got to have a good purpose behind what you're doing. | ||
| You know, that's just like the bottom line. | ||
| You know, whatever you want to do, you can do anything that you want to do, but what's your reasoning? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And for me, at this point, it's to change the world. | ||
| Like, I know it's a freaking... | ||
| Your reasoning is to change the world? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How so? | ||
| This is my best skill and the thing that I can do the best. | ||
| And I think it reaches a big audience. | ||
| And I can get my message across. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, like you were saying, just setting a better example, trying to change the way people think, or at least just offering a different perspective. | ||
| You don't got to think like me. | ||
| You know, I'm... | ||
| But this is an active idea that's in your head, like while you're training, while you're doing media, you're thinking, I have a chance to change the world. | ||
| I want to build an urban farm in my community, and I want to make it available for other people. | ||
| Because the way that I grew up, I wish there was an urban farm where I could learn how to grow my own food, and I could get my own food that was not from the grocery store. | ||
| And so I want to provide that for other people. | ||
| And, you know, fighting is the best, the quickest way I can do that, I think, you know. | ||
| And there's other ways, you know. | ||
| A positive influence on someone. | ||
| Yeah, for example, I started getting into, like, some cryptocurrencies and stuff. | ||
| And there's this thing called Evergreen Coin that's just, like, you know, one of the altcoins or whatever. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's still pretty small or whatever, but it's a sustainable cryptocurrency that... | ||
| It doesn't use as much electricity, and it kind of goes into every kind of philosophy that I agree upon. | ||
| It falls in line with my beliefs, and there's just a lot of aspects about it that I really like. | ||
| And so that's something that you get. | ||
| It's good for charities, so if you hold some Evergreen coin, you can get some stock I sound kind of stupid trying to recite all this information, but yeah, you can generate money with it and then you can donate it to charity and it works that way. | ||
| So these are just a bunch of different things that you would like to let people know about and help people understand? | ||
| Yeah, and I'm still formulating these ideas, you know, obviously, like, because, I mean, fighting takes up, like, all your time, you know, but I like to think about these things, and I think it just, you know, over time, it's just going to kind of fall into place, you know, just doing things like, you know, the Indonesia Earthship trip and, like, just doing different stuff that I can build skills for later. | ||
| And you're going to do more of this on your YouTube channel? | ||
| Yeah, I'm trying to... | ||
| I've been trying to... | ||
| Especially now, as a champ, it seems like a great idea. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I've been trying to put together the next episode. | ||
| I have a whole bunch of footage, but... | ||
| So, like, sorry, guys. | ||
| It seems like somebody would want to get involved, like some sort of a production company or something. | ||
| I mean, it seems like a no-brainer to me. | ||
| Yeah, I've got a camera guy, Austin Erickson, who, you know, he does a great job. | ||
| And it's just been kind of a roller coaster, you know, all this traveling or just, you know, trying to get things together. | ||
| Get my shit together, basically. | ||
| We also had to shut it down and put it on pause after the Michelle fight. | ||
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Yeah, that's true. | |
| Like, after the Michelle Watterson fight, however long ago that was, as soon as that was over, we knew Ioana was next and everything stopped. | ||
| Social media kind of just... | ||
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Everything stopped. | |
| I got off of, like, that for a little while. | ||
| Not off of it completely, but just trying to, like, minimize it. | ||
| And because I knew that... | ||
| Well, I think it, you know, I don't know, it's the most addictive drug, you know, like just being on your phone and you just fill your head up with just like a whole bunch of information that like, when you're focused on just this one person, like to defeat this person, this one mission, it's hard to, you know, like you only have so much room in your head for that kind of stuff. | ||
| And also because we knew Ioana was checking her Instagram every day. | ||
| Yeah, it would drive her nuts. | ||
| It would drive her crazy to not post anything or be seen anywhere. | ||
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She even said in an interview, she's like, she don't want to do social media and stuff. | |
| I was like... | ||
| I mean, why does it bother you? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Because she couldn't see you. | ||
| She had no idea what you looked like. | ||
| She didn't see you training. | ||
| She didn't see you doing any of that stuff. | ||
| In her defense, probably she had pay-per-view points. | ||
| She had a great reasoning to do it, but part of the strategy going into this fight was to ghost Ioana. | ||
| That was a big part of this game plan was to ghost her no matter what she says, no matter what she does. | ||
| And we knew that it was going to come in levels. | ||
| She's going to say this, then she's going to say this, then she's going to say this, then she's going to talk about your dog. | ||
| It's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
| And she might even, we even knew, she's going to touch you. | ||
| She's going to push you. | ||
| She's going to touch you. | ||
| When she does, don't move. | ||
| Don't react. | ||
| Give her nothing. | ||
| Give her nothing. | ||
| And it worked. | ||
| Now she knows, though. | ||
| So, I have a strategy. | ||
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I'm going to come at her and I'm going to be stone-faced. | |
| I mean, I don't believe in, you know, like, I mean... | ||
| I'm going to put a hex on her. | ||
| Right, right, yeah. | ||
| She's coming. | ||
| Mega boogie's coming. | ||
| She's going to be mega boogie. | ||
| I love it, you know? | ||
| I don't hate on her for doing what she's doing, you know? | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's kind of, like, silly, you know, to me, but... | ||
| But it works. | ||
| It worked for everybody. | ||
| Without her, and without my contrasting personality, that fight wouldn't have been nearly as exciting as it was. | ||
| I need her, and that's why I think I like to get people to understand other fighters. | ||
| You need your opponent just as much as you need your training partners and your teammates and your coaches. | ||
| It's your dancing partner. | ||
| It's the show. | ||
| It's also what motivates you. | ||
| But it's real, too. | ||
| It's also what gets you up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Gets you fired up. | ||
| I mean to fight a woman that's that dangerous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yo, yo, hey, hey, yo. | ||
| So she told Rose some crazy, like, okay, so all week shit was going on. | ||
| We missed the car accident. | ||
| We missed the Antifa thing happened right in front of us. | ||
| We got down to the locker room and they gave Rose the wrong gloves and didn't want to give her the right gloves. | ||
| Like they gave her the wrong gloves. | ||
| What do you mean by the wrong gloves? | ||
| I need like a bantamweight size glove and they gave me a strawweight. | ||
| And I said it specifically beforehand. | ||
| Because you have larger hands? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's got broken fingers. | ||
| This is what's going on. | ||
| No, I do. | ||
| These are piano playing hands. | ||
| So we also got to the arena late. | ||
| Like usually you get to the arena and you have three hours. | ||
| Right, but you were just going to say something. | ||
| You stopped yourself. | ||
| You said she said something to Rose? | ||
| Yeah, that's what we get to. | ||
| We got to the arena late. | ||
| They gave the wrong gloves. | ||
| They played the wrong walkout music. | ||
| What was the walkout music? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It was something terrible. | ||
| It made me so mad. | ||
| What were you supposed to come out to? | ||
| Well, so originally, what was it? | ||
| Sweet Freedom. | ||
| Yeah, I switched it to that. | ||
| And all week long, I was like, because I wanted something uplifting, something happy, you know? | ||
| And that was something that we've been jamming out to for like a few weeks or whatever. | ||
| And the whole week, I've been telling Pam, I can't wait until they play my walkout song. | ||
| That's just all I care about. | ||
| They fucked you with the wrong song. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, fuck everybody in this arena. | ||
| What was the song that you actually came out to? | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It was like some Oasis or something. | ||
| Oasis song. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Did someone make a decision or did they fuck up? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think somebody told me that there was a mistake of some sort, but I don't know. | ||
| Some dickhead who loves Oasis. | ||
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I guess so. | |
| I want to hear what I want to hear, man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's just such a contrasting style of music. | ||
| I don't even know how you can make that mistake. | ||
| It turned out to be the best part of the week. | ||
| Actually, it was the best part of the week because by the time that happened, it was like, ah, fuck it. | ||
| Ah, fuck it, everything, man. | ||
| Just fuck it, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| What were you going to say that she said? | ||
| Yoana, before the fight, doing the USADA drug test thing, Rose was walking back through the hallway with her official, and she crossed paths with Yoana, all by herself, and Yoana... | ||
| Oh yeah, she like, in a different tone of voice to like the weirdest, like she doesn't seem like herself for a second. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure she's getting in fight mode or whatever. | ||
| And she's like breaking in her clothes. | ||
| And she's like, and I gave her like the what's up, you know? | ||
| And she gave me what's up. | ||
| And then she was like, she's like, I think she asked me something like, did you buy the ticket? | ||
| Or I was like, what? | ||
| She's like, do you believe him? | ||
| Or do you believe in him or something like that? | ||
| Do you believe him? | ||
| Did you buy the ticket? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then she walked off. | ||
| And I was just like, what? | ||
| Did you believe him? | ||
| She's like, Kaiser Sosa. | ||
| She's giving you some fucking riddles. | ||
| Yeah, she was trying to do that all week long. | ||
| Even in the weigh-in, after the weigh-ins and stuff. | ||
| All kinds of stuff. | ||
| Weird mind-fucking shit. | ||
| Hey yo man, Rose came back to the locker room. | ||
| Now we're ready. | ||
| All week we've been deflecting shit. | ||
| We've been deflecting shit. | ||
| Now Rose is a very emotional person. | ||
| We gotta keep Rose straight because she comes in with the wrong look on her face. | ||
| Uh oh, something's wrong. | ||
| She goes off and does the drug test and comes back and when she sat down, she sits down and says... | ||
| We have to have a meeting. | ||
| Now, that's code. | ||
| We have to have a meeting is code for shut it down, everybody get the fuck out, we're bouncing. | ||
| We have to have a meeting is kind of another way of saying start the countdown, we're leaving. | ||
| We have to have a meeting. | ||
| And when she said that, the way she said it, everything came over me like, oh, fuck, what happened? | ||
| And then when she said what Ioana said in the back, what Ioana told her, do you believe him? | ||
| Did you buy the ticket? | ||
| And then left without any explanation. | ||
| Yo, when Rose said that to me, my fucking head exploded. | ||
| And the only thing I could say was, oh, shit, I don't want to have to fucking think about this all night. | ||
| That's literally what he said. | ||
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I was like, oh, she fucked you too? | |
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Man, we've deflected everything. | ||
| She is a Jedi Master. | ||
| I wish she does. | ||
| Like, she's the shit, you know? | ||
| Well, she's been a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion, and she just knows how to fuck with people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Bruh, we deflected everything. | ||
| We deflected the knuckles in the mouth and the crazy shit that she was saying. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| And if she came and said that one, we spent a good five minutes. | ||
| Which, by the way, our ticket is what maybe she was like, maybe she delayed our plane or something like that. | ||
| Just like making all these conspiracies in our head. | ||
| For a good three or four minutes, Trevor, Tony, Rose, and I all sat in the locker room. | ||
| Just like silent. | ||
| Because that was the little thing that could have fucked everything up. | ||
| Because I know I was sitting there like, what does that mean? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| She says, do you believe him? | ||
| But you had to know it was horseshit, right? | ||
| You had to know what she was doing. | ||
| It's just in that moment. | ||
| Like if you ran into someone at the fucking 7-Eleven and they said something like that, you'd be like, this crazy asshole. | ||
| It'll be out of your head in a minute. | ||
| But she said it with a calm voice and then just walked off. | ||
| No accent. | ||
| No accent. | ||
| Just said it real calm. | ||
| To the point where there's even a chance, and I think this one, there's even a chance you want to No recollection of that. | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
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I was just like, roses be spooky sometimes, man. | |
| So there's a chance that, just with the way the whole week went, that maybe that was, let's say, God or a higher being or something like that. | ||
| Maybe that was the last test. | ||
| Do you fucking believe him? | ||
| Did you buy the ticket and then just walked off? | ||
| That was a test of whether or not... | ||
| Are we going to get all the way down to right here and you're going to be fucked in the head now? | ||
| Which, by the way, something... | ||
| Now this is after the fact, remastering the system. | ||
| Which, by the way, in the moment, something inside of me, I was like, I don't know what she's talking about, but just gave her the thumbs up. | ||
| Like, yeah, motherfucker, I believe in him. | ||
| I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, I bought all the tickets! | ||
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I bought all the tickets, bitch! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hey, yo, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We were in the locker room, and really, Rose had to get up to go and do something over there. | ||
| And when she got up over there, I turned to Trevor, and Tony said, hey, yo, we in some... | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| That is so crazy! | ||
| That one little silly thing where she was just trying to fuck with your head actually works. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| For about three minutes we were fucked up. | ||
| Isn't it amazing that shit like that works? | ||
| It's just like a little mind fuck. | ||
| What? | ||
| How? | ||
| What ticket? | ||
| Who am I believing? | ||
| She's a wizard. | ||
| When she came back and said that shit, I sat there and started thinking, I was like, what did I do? | ||
| Now, do you think at all about... | ||
| You don't think at all about doing that back to her. | ||
| I mean, you just fucked her up in the first round. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, what... | ||
| Do you say that to her? | ||
| I think I did. | ||
| Like, I did fuck her up in the head, though. | ||
| Oh, you definitely did. | ||
| You fucked me up, and I was about to interview you. | ||
| I'm like, she's got this thousand-yard stare, and she's... | ||
| And I was like, what were you saying? | ||
| And you're like, I was saying the Lord's Prayer. | ||
| I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, it was like the devil and a priest. | ||
| It was like the two of you together. | ||
| It was like you were doing like an exorcist. | ||
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Right. | |
| And she was, like, saying she was the boogie one. | ||
| But it was... | ||
| One of my favorite stare-downs and just the build-up. | ||
| The way you handled it was very interesting because most people handled it. | ||
| They'd get in her face too. | ||
| Fuck you, bitch. | ||
| And now she wins. | ||
| Like, Claudia and her would get together. | ||
| And I think that emotional, like... | ||
| The conflict and all the extra energy that's involved in that, like, it fucks with people's heads. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| And that's what she's looking for. | ||
| I think over Ioana's career, she came in as the silent killer who was destroying everybody, and then she found out that if I start talking shit to someone, they get fucked in the head before the fight even happens, and then it worked and it worked and it worked, so it got to the point where she's, that, that, that almost... | ||
| That one weapon right there almost replaced some of the ferociousness in her fighting, maybe. | ||
| Knowing that. | ||
| And that is also why the game plan was to ghost Ioana no matter what happens. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| She needs a reaction. | ||
| She's looking for something. | ||
| No pictures, no videos, no social media, no interviews, no nothing. | ||
| And when she says something, don't even look at her. | ||
| She doesn't exist. | ||
| Just ghost her. | ||
| Ghosted the entire time. | ||
| And because we know for a fact that even before we were signed up to fight, she was thinking about me. | ||
| I was on the radar for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| You had to be. | ||
| I mean, there's a handful of contenders in the strawweight division, and you were at the top of the heap. | ||
| And especially after you beat Michelle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how we knew it. | ||
| So no social media, no nothing. | ||
| We just went silent. | ||
| And it just feels better, you know, like not having to do all that, you know. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| But I mean, it's fun, you know. | ||
| But does UFC put pressure on you to try to do that kind of shit? | ||
| No. | ||
| They did, but we so honestly said, not this time, that they just understood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We very honestly said, that's not going to work out for us. | ||
| We need to prepare for this fight, and we need to be all the way ready. | ||
| Now, of course, there's some interviews that need to be done, but the other little things, like how come you're not posting about it, how come you're not retweeting this picture? | ||
| It's like, nope. | ||
| You know what would be hilarious? | ||
| If you did a bunch of shit that had nothing to do with the fight, almost like you're not even fighting. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I just found a cool Indian restaurant. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| You know, oh, I love this movie. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Right, right. | ||
| No pad hitting, no shit talking, no motivational speeches. | ||
| I mean, because really, like, I think you should, like, show other sides of you other than just, like, I get kind of just bored just posting another group picture, another, like, oh, this is what I'm eating today, or, you know? | ||
| This is my workout today. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, some of the workouts is definitely to be watched. | ||
| Like, we got some cool footage hiding away. | ||
| Yeah, but everybody happens. | ||
| Do you post that stuff after the fight? | ||
| Or do you think that any of the stuff that you post, like on workout footage, training footage, especially like working on technique, do you think that in any way that helps people read you? | ||
| I don't know, because it's totally different standing across from me in the ring. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I could train, I mean, I train with Tisha Torres, you know, like, and we fought each other, we've lived in the same house together, like, for multiple weeks, you know, and I'll still fight her again, you know what I mean? | ||
| So it's like, it's not, it's, you can't, I mean, there's things you could pick up, yeah, but I'm gonna change it up on you. | ||
| I always got another ace in my pocket, you know. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty cool. | ||
| I like to... | ||
| I don't want to keep everything to myself. | ||
| Like I said, I want to give. | ||
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It's a challenge to keep getting better. | |
| It's so barely different, but it is still different how you can train together all day and night, but when the bell rings for a fight, it's totally different. | ||
| You ever hear stories of Clay Guida? | ||
| In the gym and in practice, we've been hearing for years that Clay Guida just gets thrown around at the gym all day and night, but when he gets in the ring, he can fight like a monster. | ||
| They can train together all day and night, but when it comes to fight time, it's just different. | ||
| I'm just confident in my ability that I'm really good at what I do. | ||
| And it makes it more fun to share it with people. | ||
| But I don't want to give all my secrets away. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You have to keep making up new ones, you know? | ||
| Well, listen, Rose, I'm happy you're out there, because you're a lot of fun. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I really enjoyed calling your fights, and I really did enjoy that whole week. | ||
| All the press conferences and your behavior. | ||
| And I think, to this day, like I said, after your fight, that post-fight speech is one of my all-time favorites. | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| It was awesome, and it was very genuine, you know, and I think you guys have an awesome relationship. | ||
| It's very cool. | ||
| It's very cool to see you guys and how much he cares about you and the way you guys work together. | ||
| It's fucking awesome. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, hopefully we can maybe not make the Mona Lisa again, but, you know, make the Picasso or something. | ||
| We called Dana White and told them after the, when they were asking for the next fight, they were trying to get a sign of the contract. | ||
| We told them that she won the belt, so we were going to start a family. | ||
| She won the belt, so we're going to start a family now and come back in a few years. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| They didn't like that at all. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| He's like, nah, man, just kidding. | ||
| Just start a family. | ||
| April 7th, pay-per-view. | ||
| I'm going to be there, and I can't wait. | ||
| Thank you, Pat Berry. | ||
| Thank you, Rose. | ||
| Thank you. |
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