Feb. 3, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Man, that PRP, platelet-rich plasma with stem cells is the shit. | ||
| Did you do it in Vegas? | ||
| Yeah, one week later. | ||
| My elbow's feeling great. | ||
| It's the Brian Callen Show, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| We are live! | ||
| The Brian Callen MMA Hour spectacular. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Fresh off of Christmas, everybody. | ||
| Had a bit of the flu. | ||
| Touched the flu, put me on my back for a couple hours every day. | ||
| Did you get the flu? | ||
| Sure did. | ||
| Did you get the flu shots? | ||
| Nope, did not. | ||
| I should. | ||
| Who gets those? | ||
| I don't get those. | ||
| I should and I don't. | ||
| Flu's up 70%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, apparently it's a very complicated thing to try to nail which flu virus is going to hit people. | ||
| And they don't get it right a lot. | ||
| Yeah, the CDC will sometimes be like, listen, we just checked. | ||
| This flu's coming in. | ||
| It's a bitch. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| A lot of times they'll even admit when you get the flu shot, it doesn't take, it helps a little bit. | ||
| It'll make the flu you get less. | ||
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You also get the flu. | |
| You can get the flu, yeah. | ||
| That's what they're injecting the flu in you. | ||
| Like, I've gotten the flu shot, I got sick as fuck. | ||
| It's the dead virus, I think. | ||
| But it has, there's a reaction that some people have to it, right? | ||
| You can have a, when you're sick, if you're about to get sick, or you're feeling sick, don't get the flu shot, they say. | ||
| But sometimes, yeah, they say don't get it when your immune system's compromised. | ||
| But sometimes they can give you the flu shot and everybody will get the flu and you won't. | ||
| So it does work. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| I need to. | ||
| I just don't, you know, it's like, do I want to go in there and get a shot? | ||
| I'm a pussy. | ||
| I'm like, ah, I'll just get sick for 10 days. | ||
| I just don't want to do it. | ||
| I'll tell you what, if I'm Francis, or if I'm Steepy, I'm trying to give fucking Francis the flu. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A little sanguine there. | ||
| Blow some fucking poisonous... | ||
| Something. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Some North Korean just... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Something. | ||
| They found that North Korean soldier that defected. | ||
| He had been vaccinated against anthrax. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're like, wait, what? | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, he's the second guy that defected in a month. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that guy. | ||
| Oh, yeah, because the first guy they found, like, crazy parasites and little kernels of corn in his thing. | ||
| He was eating raw corn. | ||
| Like tapeworms and everything. | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
| They're starving to death over there. | ||
| North Korea. | ||
| Well, communism works, especially. | ||
| It doesn't turn into a... | ||
| It's a monarchy. | ||
| Yeah, communism is the best. | ||
| All you fucking freaks out there, all you young millennials wearing beads. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Look at North Korea. | ||
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Read your history. | |
| Look, I'm not exactly a history major, but I know enough about history to know about Marxism now. | ||
| Especially after talking to Jordan Peterson about it. | ||
| I dove deep into it. | ||
| I was like, what is the history of this stuff? | ||
| It's all terrible. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not human nature. | ||
| Because you need a central power. | ||
| You need someone to keep the ones that are getting... | ||
| I talked to an academic the other day. | ||
| I said, so what are you saying? | ||
| He kept talking about the Scandinavian system of government and how great it was. | ||
| I go... | ||
| When was the last time you bought something made in Scandinavia? | ||
| I like Scandinavia, but... | ||
| Is it like Ikea? | ||
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Sobs? | |
| Sobs and Ikea? | ||
| Ikea's a good car. | ||
| Ikea's kind of... | ||
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Hold on. | |
| I mean, Sobs is a good car. | ||
| Sure, there are certain things, but we're talking about an iPad right now. | ||
| Everything was made in the marketplace. | ||
| It's like, fuck yourself. | ||
| Well, it's definitely a smaller place, too, right? | ||
| You're not dealing with vast numbers of people. | ||
| Yeah, it's called 7 million people, 8 million people in Sweden. | ||
| What's the last good thing Russia made? | ||
| It's a good point. | ||
| The Kalashnikov. | ||
| Vodka? | ||
| Yeah, the Kalashnikov. | ||
| In the 50s. | ||
| Yeah, they made some good rifles. | ||
| I think it was AK-47s. | ||
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AK-47s? | |
| They had some good strides they made in rocketry. | ||
| You know, they were the first guy to put a guy into orbit. | ||
| Although they absolutely did fake the video footage that they released of Yuri Gagerov. | ||
| Is that his name? | ||
| Yuri Gagarin. | ||
| Yuri Gagarin in space. | ||
| They've proven that there's no way you could get the kind of camera that you would need to record that, which film in that small capsule that he was floating around in space in. | ||
| And then there's light coming from two... | ||
| So they have lights on him, these dumb fucks. | ||
| They have lights on him. | ||
| He's in a cabin and he's faking. | ||
| And he's like... | ||
| I think he really did do it, but they didn't really get footage of him doing it. | ||
| So they faked the footage, but he actually did it? | ||
| They faked the footage, yeah. | ||
| I'm cool with that. | ||
| The Russians bummed me out because Russia... | ||
| Propaganda. | ||
| They all did it. | ||
| The Russians are amazing at anything they put their mind to. | ||
| The culture itself, they work so hard. | ||
| If you look at them, they're like, we want to be great powerlifters, great wrestlers. | ||
| They're all doing steroids. | ||
| Even that. | ||
| Did you watch that movie? | ||
| The Brian Fogle movie? | ||
| How fucking crazy is that? | ||
| Everybody doing them. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Aren't they banned from the Olympics? | ||
| They just get banned? | ||
| They banned them, but here's what's really squirrely. | ||
| It's a weird band. | ||
| One of the things they did, they took medals away from a couple of people, but the people that take medals away, they say, you can't compete in this sport. | ||
| And now they've pulled them out of a couple sports that nobody gives a fuck about. | ||
| And here's the other problem. | ||
| The IOC and WADA, the World Anti-Doping Agency, they're completely interconnected. | ||
| People work for both of them. | ||
| They go back and forth in between each other. | ||
| They have an incestuous relationship. | ||
| And that was all exposed by Brian Fogle in that movie. | ||
| It's a fucking great movie. | ||
| Icarus, if you haven't seen it, you want to know the depths of doping. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| I love that Russian guy. | ||
| That Russian guy was fascinating to me. | ||
| And he had been an athlete. | ||
| And then he's in a witness protection program, right? | ||
| I mean, he's basically afraid for his life. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Russia is banned from the 2018 Olympics, and the athletes are told to compete under the Olympic flag, not representing a country. | ||
| So now the Olympics are a country? | ||
| Olympics are going to get their own country. | ||
| That's going to be the new America Olympics. | ||
| This is going to be all Russians. | ||
| They're the country. | ||
| Most of these states, it's state-sponsored. | ||
| The anabolics were coming out of China, I think. | ||
| They're coming out all over the place. | ||
| You're crazy if you think Russia's the only one doing that. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| You're crazy. | ||
| China did the same thing. | ||
| Brian Fogel pointed out that China did the exact same thing in Beijing. | ||
| They won all these fucking gold medals. | ||
| Like crazy they were winning gold medals. | ||
| And when there's a disproportionate amount of gold medals that are being won in your home country, yeah, you're like, okay, skeptical hippo face. | ||
| Why am I a little concerned here that the financial gains of making that many Olympic gold medals are so fucking irresistible. | ||
| Dude, look what he did for Jamaica. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You know, Jamaica doesn't have the fastest sprinters in the world. | ||
| Brandon. | ||
| They're not known for that. | ||
| Before that. | ||
| No, they kind of burst onto the scene. | ||
| Now! | ||
| Now! | ||
| Right, but there's no denying that there's an extreme and rampant abuse of performance enhancing drugs. | ||
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Nobody's been caught! | |
| No, they have been caught. | ||
| Okay, one guy's been caught. | ||
| They took the relay gold medal away from St. Paul. | ||
| I think they're all called the Beast. | ||
| Well, when I was talking to Victor Conte, who is, by the way, as balls deep into that world as possible. | ||
| The ultimate snitch of snitches. | ||
| The snitch of snitches. | ||
| First team all snitch. | ||
| The guy who was the head of Balco, who made that clear shit that was undetectable for a little while until they figured out how to detect it, which is what they always do. | ||
| He said, all of tracking feels dirty. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| So if you get some dudes coming out of Jamaica or France or Spain or whatever and they just burst onto the scene and they start fucking running faster than anybody else, they're doing some shit that no one knows about yet. | ||
| I know a woman who's gonna compete for a country. | ||
| How big's her dick? | ||
| And she had a dick on her. | ||
| But the steroids didn't help. | ||
| But she was training to be a triathlete. | ||
| And she was American, but she was going to represent the country of her origin. | ||
| And I started training, and she was a phenomenal athlete and everything else. | ||
| And her coach said, so... | ||
| Now, of course, we've got to talk about getting to the next level. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| And she goes, I'm a triathlete. | ||
| We've got to start talking about messing with your endocrine system because you're not going to get these times until we get there. | ||
| You can't compete. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when she saw that everybody, he's like, well, no, no, no. | ||
| He's a famous coach. | ||
| He's like, no, no, no. | ||
| This is just a reality. | ||
| She was like, God, that's so disappointing. | ||
| She didn't do it. | ||
| That's the Lance Armstrong story. | ||
| Lance Armstrong realized when he was young that everybody is doing drugs. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| And so he, who competed clean when he was young, until he got to a certain level, he's like, fuck. | ||
| This is just how this goddamn thing works. | ||
| It's just this weird sort of three-card Monty game of hiding your dirty piss. | ||
| And he was better than everybody else. | ||
| He's not a bad guy. | ||
| State-sponsored. | ||
| Yeah, it's just part of the game. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| So my feeling is... | ||
| So if weightlifters are going to move world record weights, it's really exciting to see them do that. | ||
| And obviously powerlifters and stuff like that are not going to be lifting as much with testosterone. | ||
| My question is... | ||
| Are we ever going to beat the inexorable advance of technology? | ||
| Are we ever going to really be able to stop as we are able to gene dope and all that stuff? | ||
| Where are we going with this? | ||
| It's always going to be a cat and mouse game. | ||
| Are we going to police this? | ||
| No, everyone's always going to look for an edge. | ||
| Always. | ||
| But in powerlifting, yeah, I don't give a fuck what they do because it's powerlifting. | ||
| When it comes to fighting or football, yeah, those are the two. | ||
| Fuck yeah, football. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Football and fighting are the number one number two. | ||
| Because you're hitting guys. | ||
| Yeah, brain trauma. | ||
| Football's a combat sport. | ||
| It's just got rigid rules. | ||
| When you're running full clip at each other and literally like knocking each other unconscious because you're head-butting each other. | ||
| Baseball, you don't care. | ||
| Which is what a big part of football was until they stopped people doing that. | ||
| It's a combat sport. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| It just doesn't have kicks or punches. | ||
| But the juice is worth the squeeze in football. | ||
| It's worth the squeeze financially. | ||
| Same for a lot of the guys. | ||
| Financially, educationally, there's the fame, there's a lot. | ||
| How about baseball, where your bat speed stays the same through your 30s? | ||
| No one's getting hurt. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Hit all the home runs you want. | ||
| You can throw farther. | ||
| Baseball, it's a good argument for steroids, because it's a boring fucking game, too. | ||
| And the only time it's fun was when someone hits that ball. | ||
| When was it fun? | ||
| When Jose Canseco and Barry Bonds and fucking Sammy Sosa. | ||
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Mark McGuire. | |
| Mark McGuire, they're cracking him out of the park. | ||
| That's when it's fun, correct? | ||
| Not only that, you get to- You're playing 160 games and you break down through the season. | ||
| It keeps you injury free. | ||
| Simply too many games. | ||
| If you're sprinting full out all the time like that, trying to get to third base, there's so many times where you're doing damage to your body and you're not going to have a chance to recover. | ||
| But if you're on the Jews, you can run faster. | ||
| You can keep going. | ||
| So what do you think? | ||
| But it's weird with MLB how they crack down on it, right? | ||
| Although they're killing it now. | ||
| But same with UFC. Like, they crack down on it. | ||
| So now you have USADA, but then you're not getting as good of a product, I don't think. | ||
| Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with the product right now in the UFC. I think it's as good as it's ever been. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| A few fighters have dropped off the map. | ||
| But I think that's probably a good thing. | ||
| Because I think those guys are probably egregious. | ||
| See, I think it's a combination. | ||
| I think the skill level's going up just naturally, you know, through evolution, the skill level's going up. | ||
| But when you have such strict testing, then we're missing out on certain guys like Jon Jones and these other guys. | ||
| Well, the Jon Jones ones is very unfortunate because Jon is just... | ||
| Just one of the most talented guys of all time, if not the most talented. | ||
| He's number one. | ||
| And also, the biggest disaster in terms of the big mistakes that he's made. | ||
| We've never had a fighter that did a hit-and-run on a pregnant woman and broke her arm and then took off, and then tests positive for drugs because he's on dick pills, and then tests positive again after his comeback, after a spectacular win over Daniel Cormier. | ||
| He's so disappointing in that regard. | ||
| So exceptional in his physical abilities, but the choices he makes... | ||
| And the decisions that come out of those choices are just fucking terrible. | ||
| But a lot of it's because of the strict testing that the UFC hired through USADA. That has nothing to do with the car accident. | ||
| That has nothing to do with... | ||
| Nothing to do with the car accident, but... | ||
| So, like, car accident, yes. | ||
| But now? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He'd be cleared. | ||
| He'd be all good. | ||
| Yes, but there's a symptom of something else going on, you know? | ||
| And... | ||
| People don't like to discuss this, but one of the things that easily could be is that John has impulse control because he's been sparring and fighting and at the highest level of the sport for many, many years now, and he's gotten hit in the head a gang of times. | ||
| There's no way around it. | ||
| There was just an article I posted on Twitter that came up a couple of days ago that these neuroscientists were examining Brain injury and violent behavior and how they're connected and how damage to certain areas of the brain has irreparable consequences on the decision-making ability of the person who gets hit. | ||
| I think that's part of it, but also he's been wild since high school, since college. | ||
| Which is a wild dude. | ||
| That's why he's a fucking... | ||
| One of the reasons why he's so good is because he's a wild motherfucker, and I love that part of him. | ||
| Conor's a little wild, too. | ||
| He's wild as fuck. | ||
| You look at the masterminds of this game. | ||
| They're all a little wild, man. | ||
| You have to be. | ||
| You have to be. | ||
| In any sport, though, look at Cam Newton. | ||
| He's a bit of a wild guy. | ||
| Look at Aaron Pyre. | ||
| Look at some of the great fighters. | ||
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Just wait. | |
| If Francis Ngannou wins the world championship and spreads those super-powered genes throughout this great nation of ours, okay? | ||
| We won't need steroids. | ||
| We won't need the Russians. | ||
| If someone goes, you're heavyweight champion of the world, take a little bump here of this. | ||
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And Francis gets part of that devil's dandruff. | |
| We all fuck. | ||
| Stipe Miocic, he's got to stop Stipe from double or single-legging him, taking him to the ground, and riding him. | ||
| So you guys be careful, because I'm saying Stipe is going to wrestle him to the ground. | ||
| I love when a sincere Brian Callen comes out. | ||
| I don't know what that was. | ||
| He's going to tire him out, and then he's going to stand him up in the third, fourth round, and all that strength is going to go away. | ||
| Well, it's entirely possible Stipe wins this. | ||
| Stipe's the world heavyweight champion. | ||
| Stipe's beaten Junior Dos Santos by knockout. | ||
| He beat Orlovsky by knockout. | ||
| He beat Overeem by knockout. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He won the title with a one punch, falling away right hand on the button. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker, no doubt about it. | ||
| But there's physical, undeniable characteristics that Ngannou possesses that make him the most terrifying guy in the sport. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But the only shot that I'm seeing with Stipe in this fight, though, is stylistically, he could be the key to Francis. | ||
| Meaning, he doesn't entertain the stand-up. | ||
| He just puts that fucking forehead in the middle of his chest. | ||
| And it's like, dude, we're riding this out to the third, fourth round. | ||
| Let's see what you can do here. | ||
| It's totally possible. | ||
| But Alistair, when he clinched up with him, Alistair is fucking huge. | ||
| Alistair clinched up with Ngannou, and it was like trying to bear hug a wall. | ||
| Did you see his face? | ||
| Shit. | ||
| That's not Snowflake. | ||
| That's not Snowflake. | ||
| And then just gets worked. | ||
| Have we seen him go five, four rounds, even three rounds? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I think the most he's ever been is two, right? | ||
| He got taken out in his first fight against Curtis Blades. | ||
| You shouldn't hang your head on that because Curtis Blades was a JUCO national champion. | ||
| JUCO national champs are fucking good wrestlers. | ||
| Curtis Blades is an excellent athlete, too, and he keeps getting better and better. | ||
| Curtis Blades is a real dark horse in the sport. | ||
| I think he's ranked 10 now. | ||
| If he keeps improving and keeps working at the rate he is, he's a big guy. | ||
| He hits hard. | ||
| He can wrestle. | ||
| He's fucking aggressive and smart. | ||
| Stand-ups. | ||
| Hopefully he's working with Christian Allen out there in Colorado. | ||
| His stand-up's kind of his... | ||
| He's getting better at it. | ||
| He's getting better at it. | ||
| But the thing is, he's got a lot to work with. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| He's good foundation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got a lot to work with. | ||
| And he's a young guy. | ||
| Look at the Juco National Champs. | ||
| How old's Curtis? | ||
| He looks 74, but how old is he? | ||
| John Jones is Juco National Champion. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Anthony Rumble Johnson, Juco National Champion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of guys. | ||
| Well, Stipe was D1. He was a D1 wrestler. | ||
| He wrestled for four years? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I played baseball. | ||
| There's a lot of guys who are phenomenal athletes that never wind up going to big colleges because they don't have the athletic or financial. | ||
| 26? | ||
| 26. See, Curtis Blades has a lot of potential, dude. | ||
| He has a lot of potential. | ||
| Damn, he's only 26? | ||
| I think in Ghana it was, what, 33? | ||
| 32? | ||
| 33? | ||
| How old's Francis? | ||
| He's not a young chicken. | ||
| But he had some rough years fighting on the streets in Cameroon. | ||
| 31? | ||
| 31. So Ngannou's 31. So think about Curtis Blades in five years. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| He keeps getting better. | ||
| Five years ago, we didn't even know who Ngannou was. | ||
| Two years ago, he makes his UFC debut. | ||
| Two years later, everybody's lying on their back, and he's fighting for the title. | ||
| And I called him a Czech conga with braids, and I want to apologize. | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't have braids anymore, and now he's got fire in his hair. | ||
| I want to apologize for that. | ||
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Please don't hurt me. | |
| Now he's got highlighted tips, and nobody says a word about it. | ||
| Not a word. | ||
| Dude, I saw him in the first UFC I've been to since I retired. | ||
| I went to that UFC that we were at in Vegas, and I was around the fighters and all that, and there was one hot dog left. | ||
| I went to grab the hot dog, and he reached for the hot dog. | ||
| He fucking de-bowed me on the hot dog. | ||
| He went, you can have it, bro. | ||
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You can have it, man. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He's fucking huge. | ||
| He's so scary. | ||
| He's scary. | ||
| Nicest guy, though, right? | ||
| He's a very, very nice guy. | ||
| Very nice guy. | ||
| So I think that, you know, Stipe is the... | ||
| You have to say that Stipe is the most experienced. | ||
| Stipe has real wins over world-class competition other than Alistair and Orlovsky, who are the two guys that Ngannou fought. | ||
| So he's got more experience having beaten Verdum, having beaten, you know, top-flight guys. | ||
| Junior Dos Santos by KO. And he has the style to do it, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got a chance. | ||
| I mean, the oddsmakers have him as a disadvantage. | ||
| Stipe? | ||
| Yeah, he's an underdog. | ||
| I watched that uppercut that he hit with... | ||
| Over-aim. | ||
| Please don't critique him. | ||
| I watched it in full speed. | ||
| It's so fast. | ||
| In real time, it's so fast. | ||
| It's so much faster than you realize, depending on the angle you look at it. | ||
| What was Overeem thinking there? | ||
| No, but dude, it came so fast. | ||
| He knew he couldn't get hit by him, so he was trying to be wild. | ||
| Overeem just went, oh yeah, I'm one of the greatest strikers in the heavyweight division of all time. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| But watch how fast it goes. | ||
| There's a clip of it. | ||
| Yeah, let's go find the video. | ||
| It's so crazy fast. | ||
| There's a weird shootout with over him, just being all that experience. | ||
| Like, how's the one way Francis can win the first round? | ||
| Fuck it! | ||
| Let's just throw from our hips, see what happens. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I know, like, why didn't he, like, kick his legs? | ||
| Why didn't he fight on the outside? | ||
| Because he probably didn't expect him to be that fast. | ||
| Watch how fast this is. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| See, look what Alistair's doing. | ||
| He's just trying to be, like, real awkward. | ||
| Even Alistair said this wasn't the gameplay. | ||
| Watch this, watch this. | ||
| He said that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What was the game plan? | ||
| Not this. | ||
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Oh, that's such a good left hook, too. | |
| Knockout of the ear. | ||
| You know what that's like? | ||
| That's like a Bonecrusher Smith shovel hook. | ||
| Remember when Bonecrusher Smith used to have that ridiculous left hand? | ||
| It was like a half hook, half uppercut. | ||
| Like a shovel, man. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| And then when you find out his dad was a legendary street fighter in Cameroon, you're like, okay, that makes sense. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| Legendary. | ||
| Oh, and then he was homeless five years ago? | ||
| Yeah, five years ago. | ||
| And then just did that stuff? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, you mean the movie Lionheart? | ||
| Yeah, that's fucking him. | ||
| And all he does is train, man. | ||
| All he does is train. | ||
| He practically lives at the UFC Performance Institute. | ||
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Really? | |
| Really? | ||
| He's there every day. | ||
| He's the UFC's bang. | ||
| The UFC's Performance Institute is the most state-of-the-art motherfucking place you've ever seen in your life. | ||
| In terms of recovery, in terms of strength and conditioning equipment, I mean it is a fucking spectacular facility. | ||
| And he just lives there. | ||
| He's there every day. | ||
| They moved him there. | ||
| Yeah, they moved him from France to Vegas. | ||
| Who are his trainers there? | ||
| Well, Vinny Magalese, I know, is working with him in terms of his jiu-jitsu, but his original trainer that found him in Paris is with him here. | ||
| I forget the gentleman's name. | ||
| But this is the UFC Performance Institute. | ||
| It's fucking phenomenal. | ||
| Here's my thing with this, Joe. | ||
| It's a crazy place. | ||
| So let's say, so France, they're doing his camp. | ||
| Well, Stipe's like, hey, man, I want those. | ||
| I'm going to do my camp there, too. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| And Stipe's the champ. | ||
| But Stipe doesn't want to, luckily. | ||
| You know, it's not an issue because Stipe is in Cleveland and he has his same coaches that he's always had and a real tight-knit team that's worked great for him. | ||
| No, I get that. | ||
| I'm saying at some point, let's say Harley and Cyborg. | ||
| Why does that girl have full makeup on when she's throwing punches? | ||
| She'd be the hottest girl to ever enter the octagon if she fought. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Dude, that girl is easy on the ice. | ||
| I got nothing for her. | ||
| I don't know about that, man. | ||
| You think she's hotter than that Rachel, how do you say her name, Ostavik girl? | ||
| I'd have to see her. | ||
| That just fought for the ultimate... | ||
| Let me see her. | ||
| The Ultimate Fighter, the TV show? | ||
| You talking about the two-go biddies? | ||
| I'm talking about, yeah, the girl from Hawaii. | ||
| Oh, dark hair, wide face. | ||
| See, that's why we get along. | ||
| She's stunning. | ||
| And she won, too, right? | ||
| I was rooting for her. | ||
| See if you can find her. | ||
| We were one of the 30 viewers during that, but I was fucking rooting for her. | ||
| She's way more... | ||
| I don't want to say that the girl's ugly. | ||
| The girl's definitely not ugly. | ||
| She's very pretty. | ||
| But first of all, why is she wearing makeup while she's fighting? | ||
| That was a commercial. | ||
| I think they were both models and that was a commercial. | ||
| Did Reebok engineer that commercial? | ||
| I don't want to say that they engineered it. | ||
| By a bunch of millennials that have a hard time putting their backpack in the overhead compartment. | ||
| I thought that was that. | ||
| That was surveillance, gym surveillance. | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| Shut your fucking mouth. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| That kind of body. | ||
| Is that Megan Fox for the mass? | ||
| Jesus, dude. | ||
| I can't watch this. | ||
| I'm going to pass out. | ||
| Hey, keep this going, Jimmy, for a minute. | ||
| And she can fight, too. | ||
| I don't want to be disrespectful. | ||
| And she can fight. | ||
| No, me neither. | ||
| She's a legit fighter. | ||
| She's gorgeous, yeah. | ||
| And, you know, by all accounts, a very nice person. | ||
| There's a lot of pretty girls that are finding their way into the UFC and they find that that's an asset. | ||
| You know what's really interesting to me? | ||
| One of the best looking ones of all puts zero emphasis on that and that's Rose Namajunas. | ||
| Rose is fucking gorgeous. | ||
| She's super pretty. | ||
| And she puts no emphasis on that. | ||
| Shaves her fucking head. | ||
| And there's nothing fake about that girl. | ||
| She went full 11 and then she's just... | ||
| There's nothing fake about that girl. | ||
| Yeah, we met her, I think, or at least I did. | ||
| You'd known her before. | ||
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I've known her for a while, yeah. | |
| I met her at that thing. | ||
| Was it a Spike thing? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| UFC thing? | ||
| And she was in a dress. | ||
| She was with Pat Berry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But she had long hair back then. | ||
| I mean, she was stunning, like astonishing looking. | ||
| And I didn't know who she was at the time. | ||
| And, I mean, so she, yeah, she's, if she walked into a bar back then like that, even now, but I mean, back then, you would have been like, I mean, she turns every head. | ||
| She has a supermodel face. | ||
| She really does. | ||
| She's a model. | ||
| And she doesn't put any emphasis on that at all. | ||
| All of her emphasis is on her fighting and zero trash talking. | ||
| How about after the fight? | ||
| Remember when she shaved her head when she was fighting Paige Van Zandt? | ||
| She went, oh, your thing's beauty? | ||
| Well, she's like, my hair was just getting in the way. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Then beat the brakes off of her. | ||
| Yeah, that's what she used to look like. | ||
| That's like workout hair. | ||
| She looks better with her head shave. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's kind of like a G.I. Jane. | ||
| With that upper right hand corner with the red shirt on there, Jamie? | ||
| Upper right hand corner? | ||
| Right there. | ||
| I mean, shut the fuck up. | ||
| That's a beautiful girl. | ||
| That's a model, son. | ||
| That is about as hot as a woman's face gets. | ||
| They don't get any prettier. | ||
| Get her a Calvin Klein contract, for God's sakes. | ||
| But meanwhile, how the fuck did no one see her coming? | ||
| I mean, it's kind of crazy. | ||
| I think she looks so feminine. | ||
| I think her body doesn't look like it's supposed to do that stuff. | ||
| Think about how much emphasis they put on promoting Paige Van Zandt. | ||
| How much emphasis they put on a lot of other girls that are really pretty, too. | ||
| But that's a marketing thing. | ||
| Look, you've got to look at what this company is now. | ||
| This company started off a passion project by two fucking crazy billionaire dudes. | ||
| Well, first of all, Horry and Gracie. | ||
| Art Davies, the original guys. | ||
| Bob Meyerowitz. | ||
| Those guys started it off. | ||
| They get it going. | ||
| Then they sell it as a passion project to two super billionaires who love the sport, who train. | ||
| They were fucking happy as pie. | ||
| They're like, we own the UFC. Dana talked them into it. | ||
| Dana talked them into it. | ||
| They're having a good old time. | ||
| They literally were what me and Eddie Bravo used to pray for. | ||
| When we were watching the fights back when nobody gave a shit about the UFC... The thing we always said was, wouldn't it be amazing if some billionaires just threw a shitload of money at it and made it famous? | ||
| Like, we know it's an incredible sport to watch. | ||
| We know how exciting it is. | ||
| Wouldn't it be great if someone had just publicized this thing and then the Fertitta's come along? | ||
| Literally, like, they just, they figured it out themselves. | ||
| They're like, this thing is, like, we just need to spend money. | ||
| They spent, they were $40 million in the hole when the first Ultimate Fighter was airing. | ||
| Oh, so they put that much money into it initially? | ||
| They put all the money, produced the Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| Lorenzo's a genius. | ||
| And then the show takes off. | ||
| By the way, after they had called Dana White and told him to bail, they're like, sell this thing. | ||
| We're losing too much money. | ||
| We're X amount of millions of dollars in the hole. | ||
| I'm not going to lose my family's business all because of this one project that we have. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| And then he calls him up the next day and he goes, I changed my mind. | ||
| He slept on it. | ||
| Why did he change his mind? | ||
| Because he's a fucking genius! | ||
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He's a genius. | |
| I think Lorenzo's the most... | ||
| You know, there's one A, one B, but he's right up there as most important people. | ||
| He's so calm, too. | ||
| He was an important balancing act to Dana. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Dana's so volatile and crazy. | ||
| Emotional. | ||
| Fuck this guy, and he's a faggot. | ||
| All the craziness that Dana, especially in the early days, used to be. | ||
| And then he goes from that to super calm, really reasonable, incredibly articulate, laid-back Lorenzo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he's missed now. | ||
| Now that things are going on, you would never have seen the Floyd May with the Conor fight if Lorenzo was there. | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
| He would never let that happen. | ||
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You're crazy. | |
| He really wasn't into that stuff. | ||
| He really wasn't, man. | ||
| Oh, you're crazy. | ||
| He didn't like spectacle. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| But why would you pass on that thing? | ||
| I wanted to see that. | ||
| Didn't you want to see that? | ||
| Hell yeah, I wanted to see it. | ||
| I wanted to see it. | ||
| But Lorenzo, I think, looked at the bigger picture. | ||
| Because I think now that we look back on Floyd and Conor and then where the UFC's at now, I don't know if it's the best decision. | ||
| It's a great decision. | ||
| I think it was an amazing decision. | ||
| First of all, it's an amazing decision for the overall evolution of combat sports. | ||
| It's incredibly important. | ||
| No chance. | ||
| It's incredibly important to realize that a real specialist like Floyd Mayweather will run circles around someone who does not have the same amount of time and knowledge. | ||
| Like, Conor has great punching power. | ||
| He's got great speed. | ||
| But as far as his, like, boxing acumen to compare the two of them, the greatest of all time, arguably... | ||
| It's not even close. | ||
| And please caveat that with the fact that Floyd Mayweather didn't even fight him the way he fights other guys. | ||
| If he had wanted not to be touched, he could have done that too. | ||
| Walked towards him, made him work hard, wore him out and started beating him up. | ||
| That's great, and those are great points, but I think if you look at the lay of the land now, Lorenzo wouldn't have done it because now you have two divisions held up. | ||
| You have Conor with all this power. | ||
| We have no idea whether he's going to fight. | ||
| He'll never have to fight again. | ||
| So you miss out on Conor. | ||
| If you want to sell the TV deals, you can't guarantee Conor's going to fight. | ||
| That's why Lorenzo wouldn't have done it. | ||
| I agree with Brennan on that. | ||
| But I think there's a thing there. | ||
| Go ahead, also. | ||
| Also, now we're in the era of the money fight, where everyone wants the money fight. | ||
| Rankings don't matter. | ||
| Divisions don't matter. | ||
| Titles don't matter. | ||
| So we've lost all that kind of fundamental that we've laid out of title shots and all that. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| Now everyone wants the famous fight. | ||
| Woodley wants the famous fight. | ||
| They all do want the famous fight because there's the money in that. | ||
| But hold on a second. | ||
| We haven't lost all the rankings. | ||
| We just lost the rankings sometimes. | ||
| Sometimes they don't matter. | ||
| When do they matter? | ||
| Listen, a lot of it is because the $4 billion price tag of that company. | ||
| That's a big part of it. | ||
| Well, a lot of it is because the fighters aren't making money. | ||
| But also because the people that own the company now are an entertainment business. | ||
| They're like, where's the money? | ||
| The money's in these big spectacle things. | ||
| That's where the money is. | ||
| We're here to make some money. | ||
| We're here to put on great fights. | ||
| Like, you can't tell me that fucking Detroit card wasn't one of the wildest fight cards you've ever seen in your life. | ||
| They're putting on great fucking fights. | ||
| They're putting on great cards. | ||
| And on top of that, they're also having chaos. | ||
| They're having Conor McGregor box Floyd Mayweather. | ||
| But I think for the evolution of combat sports, that fight is important. | ||
| I don't think it lended itself to the evolution of combat sports in that they were such different sports. | ||
| So I think everybody knew that ultimately... | ||
| Yeah, but we need to see it. | ||
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You need to see it. | |
| Like James Toney-Randy Couture? | ||
| Yeah, we've seen it before. | ||
| Well, the James Toney-Randy Couture fight is not fair because James Toney half-assed that. | ||
| He barely trained. | ||
| He didn't train any grappling. | ||
| We saw him doing his training with some karate guy. | ||
| But Ali did this stuff, too, didn't he? | ||
| But he did with the milky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| What James Toney did was try to just go in there and get paid. | ||
| He got taken down with a low ankle pick. | ||
| He got... | ||
| Just completely smushed by Randy Couture. | ||
| It was a half-ass attempt, I agree. | ||
| He's out of shape. | ||
| He was way past his prime. | ||
| Floyd Mayweather's in his fucking prime. | ||
| Even though he's 40, he's still so good in his prime. | ||
| But you can't say he's lost a step. | ||
| You can't say he's lost a step. | ||
| You look at him against Manny Pacquiao. | ||
| You're talking about a 26-year-old Floyd Mayweather eats that upcut Conor landed on him? | ||
| If he fought that way. | ||
| It's depending on if he tried to just walk towards him like he had nothing. | ||
| But he did. | ||
| He stood in his grove. | ||
| Connor cracked him with that one shot, and I think Floyd was like, oh, okay, okay, okay, you can hit me. | ||
| He's like, we gotta get going. | ||
| Let me just start ramping this bitch up to nine. | ||
| Listen, I'm cooking you a little bit. | ||
| I love the Floyd Mayweather. | ||
| Eating you in the 10th round. | ||
| Conor McGregor's stuff more than anyone. | ||
| I love it because Conor got paid. | ||
| I'm saying Lorenzo from a business aspect is going, if we give all this guy the fucking power now, the ball's in his court, man. | ||
| That's not what we're about. | ||
| But here's my thoughts. | ||
| The only way you get a superstar, the only way you get a Sugar Ray Leonard, a Muhammad Ali, the cult of personality that comes around those people, they do have all the power. | ||
| There's no getting around that. | ||
| You can't stop that as a promotional organization. | ||
| You have to somehow or another ride with the wave and make some sort of cohesive agreement. | ||
| They also have to be challenged. | ||
| You've got to make some sort of agreement with that person. | ||
| They made it with Brock Lesnar. | ||
| They made it with Ronda Rousey, really the only other two superstars. | ||
| But they didn't last. | ||
| They didn't last. | ||
| See, what keeps... | ||
| A champion relevant and in the lore is the guy who keeps answering the call. | ||
| And Conor did that in two different weight classes. | ||
| I mean, you know, he beat the impossible to beat Jose Aldo. | ||
| So people are going to argue that because he hasn't defended a belt. | ||
| So he's not answering the belt. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's why I agree with your point about the evolution of the combat sport. | ||
| What it's done now is put so much power in his hands. | ||
| He's got $100 million, whatever he has. | ||
| Which I love. | ||
| And me too, because I like the guy. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| You're not going to see him fight these monsters like Tony. | ||
| You're going to see him fight Tony this year. | ||
| Why would you say that? | ||
| First of all, I don't like anybody saying this guy's not going to do this or he's not going to do that because we really don't know. | ||
| But why wouldn't he fight Tony Ferguson if he wants to fight again? | ||
| I haven't seen him even training. | ||
| He's training nonstop. | ||
| Do you follow him on Instagram? | ||
| No. | ||
| He can't say that! | ||
| He can't say that. | ||
| But is he going to fight Tony Ferguson? | ||
| He hasn't come to my house. | ||
| He hasn't been training in Santa Monica. | ||
| Well, that's the problem. | ||
| Where are you going to see him train? | ||
| How can you say he's not going to fight? | ||
| Has he even mentioned fighting Tony Ferguson? | ||
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| Yes! | ||
| They talk shit to each other back and forth. | ||
| TMZ goes, hey, are you going to box Pacquiao? | ||
| He goes, no, my next fight is mixed martial arts. | ||
| I'm going to fight inside that octagon. | ||
| Yeah, he said my next fight is going to be a real fight. | ||
| He's going to fight Tony Ferguson. | ||
| That Tony Ferguson fight, when I look at it more and more, I watch footage, I think it's not that bad of a matchup for Conor. | ||
| I used to be like, God, it's a tough fight. | ||
| But I think early, especially early rounds, one through three, with Conor's accuracy and the way Tony gets hit, it's a good fight for Conor. | ||
| Except when it goes past the third round, it could get nasty. | ||
| Two parts of the problem. | ||
| One, Tony finishes motherfuckers off his back. | ||
| He is nasty off his back. | ||
| If he gets taken down... | ||
| Yeah, if he gets taken down. | ||
| But I'm saying if he gets hit. | ||
| If he gets hit like Nate Diaz does and goes down, it's not like 100% that he's going to beat him up and ground and pound him. | ||
| Tony, if he gets dropped, will wrap you up like a fucking mummy and submit you. | ||
| So will Nate, though, and Connor doesn't entertain that. | ||
| Maybe Nate... | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| He doesn't have to play that game. | ||
| Nate certainly can. | ||
| The difference is if Tony goes, you know what? | ||
| I know you're fast and powerful in these first three rounds. | ||
| I'm a collegiate wrestler. | ||
| Fuck this noise. | ||
| I'm just going to ankle pick you all fucking day. | ||
| And then third, fourth, fifth, I'm going to start striking with you. | ||
| But Conor could catch him long before that. | ||
| It's a good fight. | ||
| Ridiculous speed. | ||
| Tony doesn't get tired. | ||
| I haven't seen him get tired. | ||
| It's a big difference. | ||
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He's tired. | |
| He doesn't show it. | ||
| Because he's a fucking... | ||
| Serial killer. | ||
| I think he gets less tired than the other guy. | ||
| I promise you he gets tired, Brian. | ||
| Everybody gets tired. | ||
| No, it's just here for him. | ||
| But it is. | ||
| But he also is ridiculous conditioning. | ||
| Eddie Bravo is his fucking jiu-jitsu trainer. | ||
| And Eddie said he's never seen anything like this guy. | ||
| He said the guy trains for six hours a day. | ||
| He said he's in Big Bear, he's running hills, literally lapping his training partners. | ||
| He'll turn around and go back and run up again. | ||
| They're not even up to the top of the hill yet. | ||
| That is such an advantage in a five-round fight. | ||
| I mean, such an advantage in a three-round fight. | ||
| I mean, his ability to just not, like, when you're less tired than the other guy, oh my god. | ||
| All his camps are at Big Bear. | ||
| He goes, he rents a house. | ||
| He builds his own fucking training facility. | ||
| He sets up his own heavy bags. | ||
| He mats up floors. | ||
| He takes a fucking room. | ||
| He's got, like, a living room or a house. | ||
| He sets down the borders, brings in the mats, and they start training. | ||
| He finds hills, runs those fucking hills at 6,000 feet altitude. | ||
| God. | ||
| Conrad 55 is no punk, man. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| Ask Eddie Alvarez. | ||
| Look at Eddie. | ||
| Nobody's saying he's a punk, man. | ||
| No, I'm just saying. | ||
| At first I was like, God, that's kind of a scary fight for Conrad. | ||
| Then when I look at him like... | ||
| You know, he does get hit. | ||
| Ferguson gets hit, man. | ||
| The prom child is Khabib. | ||
| Khabib, it's almost a round table because Khabib versus Tony, hell of a fight. | ||
| Khabib versus Conor, God, that's a tough fight for Conor. | ||
| But they can eliminate each other. | ||
| It's whoever shows up that night. | ||
| It's a fucking good fight, man. | ||
| Khabib takes your legs down. | ||
| We're going to know all about Khabib this weekend. | ||
| When he fights Edson Barboza, we're going to see him with arguably the fastest striker in the 155 pound division. | ||
| Who doesn't give a fuck about going to the ground. | ||
| He's like, no, we're not going to the ground. | ||
| I'm not even going to entertain that. | ||
| Where other guys will play that game, anti-wrestling will kick you in the fucking face. | ||
| Right, but how do you keep him from taking you to the ground when he clenches? | ||
| You kick him in the face. | ||
| When he gets in the clench. | ||
| You avoid the clench. | ||
| How do you avoid that with Khabib? | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's fucking hard. | ||
| It's not an easy fight by any stretch of the imagination. | ||
| It's a tough fight for Khabib. | ||
| Michael Johnson cracked Khabib when they fought and had him wobbly. | ||
| It's the first time we've seen any adversity that Khabib had to face inside the octagon. | ||
| But he handled it with fucking four aces. | ||
| Took him to the ground and smashed him. | ||
| I had no idea Khabib went up to 205 when he trained. | ||
| Well, he gets heavy. | ||
| He gets heavy in between fights, but he didn't do it this time. | ||
| Daniel Cormier said he has a new nutrition, and he said he has been lighter getting ready for this camp than any fight before. | ||
| He was 179 pounds just a couple of weeks ago. | ||
| Josh Thompson was like, dude, you've never seen anything like it. | ||
| Because I was talking about Conor and Khabib. | ||
| He's like, dude, I'm telling you, man. | ||
| I've seen him go with DC. I've seen him go with all these guys. | ||
| And think about what he did at Dos Anjos. | ||
| Think about what he did. | ||
| Ragdolled him. | ||
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| Ragdolls everybody. | ||
| Oh, you're fighting at 70? | ||
| And I go, why doesn't Khabib just go to 70 after he sees what goes into? | ||
| He's going to. | ||
| That's his plan. | ||
| All he wants to do is get the belt at 55. As soon as he gets that, he's going, peace. | ||
| And then at 70, enjoy that. | ||
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| It's like, oh, you're a table. | ||
| I'm going to take your legs down. | ||
| Now you're on the ground. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| I've never seen anybody get him off. | ||
| All elite wrestlers, right? | ||
| Whether they're talking about Dave Schultz or whether you're talking about... | ||
| Karelin, all the best of the best wrestlers, they have an ability to enforce their will. | ||
| To just power into guys and do shit to them that they don't want done and break them. | ||
| They wear you. | ||
| With technique, with will, with physical conditioning, with everything. | ||
| DC's the same way. | ||
| DC's the same way. | ||
| All the best guys have everything. | ||
| They have all the components. | ||
| And that's one of the things Nurmagomedov does. | ||
| Then you add the fact that he's from Dagestan. | ||
| You add the fact that he grew up in one of the hardest places in the fucking world. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And everyone around him is hard as nails. | ||
| Where I think the national sport might be wrestling. | ||
| Might be murder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You get a varsity and murder in high school. | ||
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Varsity and murder? | |
| It's a crazy place, man. | ||
| What's ridiculous is him versus Barboza, if it's like a video game, you look at their attributes, Barboza's striking's like this, but his wrestling's like this. | ||
| Khabib, his wrestling's like this, but his striking's like this. | ||
| So you're intrigued by this. | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| This to me is the most intriguing fight that Khabib has ever fought. | ||
| By far. | ||
| By far. | ||
| Two reasons. | ||
| One, the two fights where he had so much difficulty making weight that his body was shutting down. | ||
| It happened in the Michael Johnson fight, then it happened again in the Tony Ferguson fight to the point that he pulled him off the card. | ||
| So they were saying his liver was shutting down. | ||
| This is serious, serious shit. | ||
| He has not made 155 since, right? | ||
| He hasn't fought since. | ||
| So there's so much pressure on him to do this correctly, but who knows if he can? | ||
| When your body does not want to do that anymore, you run into serious problems. | ||
| It's one of the things that happens to older athletes when they've been cutting extreme amounts of weight over and over again. | ||
| They get to a point where their body is taking... | ||
| Every time you cut 30 pounds of water from your body, Your body goes into a state of shock. | ||
| You do some damage. | ||
| The question is, how much damage are you doing? | ||
| Think how long he's been doing it, too. | ||
| Josh Thompson brought that point. | ||
| He goes, dude, he's been cutting weight since he was a kid. | ||
| He's been in these wrestling terms, the Sambo terms, since he was a kid, so he's older now. | ||
| He's been cutting weight for fucking ever. | ||
| And here's a real question. | ||
| Here's a real question. | ||
| If he wins the title, how the fuck is he going to defend it in California? | ||
| He's not going to. | ||
| Yeah, because California has new strict laws. | ||
| Andy Foster, the guy who runs the California State Athletic Commission, is one of the best guys in the sport. | ||
| He's so proactive. | ||
| He's so ahead of it. | ||
| He's adding weight classes. | ||
| He's doing so much to make this safe. | ||
| And he's a lifelong martial artist himself. | ||
| And he competed. | ||
| So here's a guy who sees what the problems are and he says, okay, we're going to make sure you don't weigh 15 pounds more when you get into the octagon. | ||
| The night of the fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's a percentage, right? | ||
| Is it a percentage of weight that you can't gain? | ||
| No, no, it's only pounds. | ||
| So I think at 55, you can't come in heavier than it's like 15.5 or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, so like 70. Which is crazy. | ||
| That's why Khabib's just going to get the title and dip out to 70. How about Gleason Tebow? | ||
| Gleason Tebow would fight at 55, and he literally looked like he was 200 pounds. | ||
| He's going to fight at 55. I heard that Darren Till, and I'm sure you'll hear this, but I heard when he stepped into the octagon against Cowboy Snowden, he was 201 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I heard, too. | ||
| Enjoy beating Darren Till right now. | ||
| Yeah, enjoy it. | ||
| No one wants to fight him except for Mike Perry. | ||
| He's only 24. He even said he'd fight Mike Perry. | ||
| He goes, listen, I don't give a fuck about rankings, belt, I'll fight you right now. | ||
| Well, he wants to put on a show. | ||
| He wants to light people on fire. | ||
| And no one wants to get in there with him. | ||
| They saw that cowboy fight and they're like, uh... | ||
| And he's huge. | ||
| Then you learn his story like, oh my god, he's a nightmare. | ||
| Wonder Boy was like, let's do this! | ||
| And Wonder Boy's daddy was like, uh... | ||
| No, but Wonderboy did not say let's do this. | ||
| Let me be honest with you. | ||
| Wonderboy had hurt thumbs that he told me about in the ring after the fight. | ||
| His thumbs? | ||
| Yeah, in the cage after the fight, he said his thumbs are pretty fucked up because he was talking about it in between rounds with his corner. | ||
| And I said, what were you saying about your hands? | ||
| He goes, yeah, man, I did something to my thumbs. | ||
| Like I hit, you know, he's throwing these crazy fucking punches on a guy like Jorge Masvidal, who's no joke, right? | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| He's catching elbows, he's catching foreheads, and he fucked his thumbs up. | ||
| And he might need surgery. | ||
| He doesn't know. | ||
| Did he have surgery or no? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He was in a position where he had some serious injuries. | ||
| They were saying, and Dana White even tweeted it. | ||
| Or somebody tweeted it. | ||
| No, Dana tweeted out the fight, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I even said, thank the baby Jesus. | ||
| I blasted out too. | ||
| I screenshotted to you and went, holy shit, it's going down. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| If it happens. | ||
| Our boy who fought Errol Spence, I was just with, fights at Wildcard West. | ||
| Why am I forgetting? | ||
| I'm getting old. | ||
| Oh, Chris Van Halden. | ||
| Chris Van Halden was showing me, like, he's a boxer, a quality boxer, been around forever and fought Errol Spence but got beat. | ||
| But, you know, a high-level boxer. | ||
| And he was showing me, he was just showing me, like, I said, why is Errol Spence so good? | ||
| Because I know he's great, but he looks, like, basic. | ||
| Like, he does, like, jab, one, two. | ||
| So for my eye, as not a very sophisticated guy, I can't see what's making him so good. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And he was showing me, it was really yesterday, he was just showing me how, like, he was able to measure his jab. | ||
| So Chris would throw a jab, and he goes, watch, and I'd throw a jab, and he goes, and he would move back just, like, his ability to move back just, just enough. | ||
| So some guys will move back just a little bit too much, and they'll move back a little bit, and then they throw. | ||
| So their measurement of distance is just a little off, and you have time to compensate. | ||
| His ability to move back the precise amount so that you don't have time to react because he comes back, boom, and hits you again. | ||
| So every time you throw, he would make it so his ability to sort of be just out of reach was better than anybody he had fought before. | ||
| Well, no one's better that shit than Lomachenko. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| But also, to that point, Billy Joe Saunders was like, Eubanks Jr. what? | ||
| And then beat the brakes off of him. | ||
| Did you see Billy Joe Saunders? | ||
| Against Lemieux? | ||
| Who's going to beat him? | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| He might be able to beat Triple G. He's amazing. | ||
| Dude, he's ridiculous. | ||
| His fucking jab is a fave of beauty. | ||
| The best, right? | ||
| He would just play. | ||
| Plop that sucker in there, pop, and then it'd be left, right. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| World title fight. | ||
| Homeboy misses with a huge swing in right hand. | ||
| He goes like this into the stands like he misses it. | ||
| Just puts on the brakes. | ||
| Billy Joe looks like as if, who are you trying to hit? | ||
| Is Saunders from Wales? | ||
| He's a gypsy. | ||
| He's a gypsy, but he's from the UK. Are you allowed to say gypsy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Traveler. | ||
| For now, traveler. | ||
| You gotta be careful. | ||
| I called Fury a gypsy and a legit traveler came up to the show and was like, traveler, quit calling us gypsies. | ||
| Yeah, they don't like it. | ||
| But people say it all the time. | ||
| Sorry, I can't keep up. | ||
| But they were saying it on HBO. I don't mean anything bad. | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| You're a cisgender, white, privileged piece of shit. | ||
| I'm against gypsies. | ||
| You're a fucking monster. | ||
| I hope Fury comes back. | ||
| He's one of my favorites. | ||
| He's a fun guy. | ||
| Billy Joe Saunders, though, if you don't know, look him up, man. | ||
| Boxing needs that guy. | ||
| The David Lemieux fight on HBO was a goddamn work of art. | ||
| It was a goddamn work of art. | ||
| And now he's campaigned for Triple G. And Billy Joe Saunders, Lemieux, I mean, Billy Joe Saunders versus Canelo. | ||
| He's so much bigger than Canelo. | ||
| No one wants to fight Billy Joe Saunders right now, man. | ||
| But he's got to get a bigger name. | ||
| Saunders' highlight reel is crazy. | ||
| He's got to get that Canelo money, that fucking Corona cash. | ||
| Dude, if Triple G and Canelo don't figure it out, Billy Joe Saunders is getting one of them. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| They have to. | ||
| Jamie, bring up Billy Joe Saunders' highlight reel. | ||
| I don't think enough people know who he is, though. | ||
| You know who he is. | ||
| I know who he is. | ||
| And I think the world was introduced to him at that last HBO card. | ||
| Do you know who Lemieux is, though? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| Does the world? | ||
| I do, because I saw him fight Triple G. Triple G fought him, though. | ||
| Yeah, but in Montreal, he's huge. | ||
| And they were fighting in Montreal. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But see, Billy Joe, this was his first fight in America. | ||
| All of his fights have been in Europe. | ||
| But he's been a guy Caleb watched a lot because he's so... | ||
| Not really. | ||
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| No, I'm saying he's flashy. | ||
| Isn't he kind of like really... | ||
| Well, he's fucking smart, man. | ||
| He has a mouth on him. | ||
| You know what I love? | ||
| He's a guy who can root for. | ||
| Jim Lampley and Roy Jones Jr. had a little disagreement in the commentary. | ||
| Jim Lampley was like, well, if he's this far ahead, why does he not try to knock him out? | ||
| Roy Jones was like, why would he? | ||
| Do you see what he's doing? | ||
| He's boxing his face off. | ||
| He's like, well, you have the added humiliation that you do to your opponent when you knock him out. | ||
| Like, stay in your lane, Jim Lampley. | ||
| Jim! | ||
| Stay in your fucking lane. | ||
| Stay in your fucking lane. | ||
| It was embarrassing. | ||
| It was embarrassing to listen to him. | ||
| Like, ooh, you just said that to Roy Jones Jr.? | ||
| You're talking about what? | ||
| One of the greatest knockout artists in the history of the fucking sport, and you're telling him why someone should... | ||
| You don't just knock someone out. | ||
| You have to put yourself in danger to knock someone out, and you could wind up losing against a fucking power puncher like Lemieux. | ||
| It's not a smart thing. | ||
| Biggest fight of your life in boxing. | ||
| You lose that fight, everything's shot. | ||
| The Canelo, Triple G fight's gone if you lose that fight. | ||
| He's fighting a beautiful pattern. | ||
| For him to alter that pattern to get a specific result, that's not smart, and it's not boxing. | ||
| That's not what you're supposed to do. | ||
| It's also silly. | ||
| Yeah, here's his highlight reel when you see him move around. | ||
| And he's so interesting with his right jab, too. | ||
| He throws punches and then he's like, whoops, not here anymore, dude. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Dude, the Lemieux fight, if you can get that, was one of the best fights because Lemieux is a legit world contender. | ||
| The thing with Billy Joe Saunders, his highlights, they do him justice somewhat, but he always steps up to the level of competition. | ||
| So you might watch him against a guy like, hey, he looks alright. | ||
| But then when he, Chris Eubanks Jr., you look at him against Lemieux, you're like, holy fuck, this guy's world class. | ||
| Yeah, here's Saunders against Eubanks Jr. He will fight to whoever his level's at. | ||
| That's why I think, and he's big too for the weight class, so a Triple G or Canelo, you gotta fight on your head. | ||
| He's big and he's so fucking smart, man. | ||
| The big thing is how smart he is. | ||
| I mean, his ring IQ and his ability to not get hit is so exceptional. | ||
| He steps just back. | ||
| And look how he changes it up. | ||
| He goes to the head, he goes to the body. | ||
| He's an artist, man. | ||
| A real artist. | ||
| It's really fun watching him. | ||
| Beautiful left hand. | ||
| And he has a personality that boxing needs. | ||
| He's fun as fuck. | ||
| Talks mad shit. | ||
| He told Lemieux he has some extra pants from his son that he can wear because Lemieux's short. | ||
| Just kept talking shit to him nonstop. | ||
| And he's also best friends with Fury. | ||
| So they're like Batman and Robin. | ||
| They're fucking hilarious, man. | ||
| Yeah, I was surprised that they referred to him as a gypsy on the HBO broadcast. | ||
| You're not supposed to. | ||
| I think that was Jim Lampley, too, though. | ||
| Jim Lampley's an older fella. | ||
| I thought gypsy's a cool word, but if you go over to London, they told me not to say that. | ||
| I heard Roma. | ||
| Roma is considered derogatory, right? | ||
| From Rome? | ||
| Donald Cerrone vs. | ||
| Yancey Medeiros, UFC Austin. | ||
| That's a good 170 for Cerrone. | ||
| Because Yancey is not a giant 170. You know, it's not like a Darren Till. | ||
| And he's coming over that fight of the year, some people think. | ||
| That was a crazy fight against Cowboy Oliveira. | ||
| Holy shit, what a fight that was. | ||
| When is that fight, Austin? | ||
| Yancey Medeiros. | ||
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That's a fight night? | |
| Crazy. | ||
| What a fucking performance by Yancey. | ||
| February 18th. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's close. | ||
| That's weird they announced it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's really close. | ||
| That's weird they announced it already. | ||
| That's real close for Yancey from that last fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That fight was a barn burner. | ||
| And that was only a month ago. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| And not much time to promote either for Austin. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I don't think you need it for Cowboy and Austin. | ||
| That motherfucker will sell out quick. | ||
| And it's a fight night, so it's not pay-per-view. | ||
| It's a good headliner, for sure. | ||
| Great headliner for a fight night. | ||
| But for Yancey, I mean, he took a lot of hard shots in that fight. | ||
| I don't know if that's given him enough time to recover. | ||
| Doesn't make a lot of sense, but if you're Yancey, you're jumping at the opportunity. | ||
| Oh, you hear fucking Jimmy Rivera's off with John Lineker. | ||
| Yeah, Lineker got hurt. | ||
| And then, do you see Jimmy Rivera, who, to me, is my dark horse in that division. | ||
| Yeah, me too, man. | ||
| He's a fucking monster. | ||
| He's a tank. | ||
| And then he was trying to get Marais, right? | ||
| Marlon Marais? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he goes, you said you'd do it at five pounds. | ||
| I'll give you five pounds. | ||
| The team said no. | ||
| Marais said no. | ||
| And then he goes, I'll give you ten pounds. | ||
| I just want to fight. | ||
| Might not be in shape. | ||
| They still went no. | ||
| Marlon might not be in shape. | ||
| But he came at him. | ||
| He came at him. | ||
| And Jimmy's like, yeah, let's fucking do it. | ||
| Well, Marley just fought really recently. | ||
| Spectacular knockout. | ||
| Didn't get touched. | ||
| Against Aljamain Sterling. | ||
| And he's in that position where he's climbing the ladder too. | ||
| And to take a short notice fight, Mark Henry's very wise in that regard. | ||
| Top three coaches in the world. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| You can beat this guy, but do you beat this guy this way? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But do you beat this guy when you have a long training camp? | ||
| Much better odds, and that's the way to do it to really show who you really are. | ||
| I agree 100%. | ||
| I wouldn't have done it. | ||
| If I'm Mark Henry, I'm telling my fighter not to do it. | ||
| It's a pro sport, man. | ||
| It's a pro sport. | ||
| You have to weigh these short-term opportunities like Michael Bisping got when he stepped up to fight Luke Rockhold. | ||
| You've got to weigh those. | ||
| Because, look, Bisping, it fucking paid off, and it paid off in spades, right? | ||
| He KOs Rockhold, he becomes a middleweight champion of the world, fulfills a lifetime dream, all in 11 days notice. | ||
| The fucking man has cast-iron bowling balls hanging from his dick. | ||
| You can't deny that about Michael Bisping. | ||
| But then, the same thing, the same mentality bites him in the ass, and he goes and fights Kelvin Gastelum just a few days after fighting a fucking crazy fight with George St. Pierre, and he doesn't look good. | ||
| He looked horrible. | ||
| Then look at Machida. | ||
| He just got starched and now he's headlining in where the fuck they are. | ||
| Did Gagistan or where the fuck it is? | ||
| Well, he not only got starched, he got starched and then he tested positive. | ||
| Machida's last fight? | ||
| Machida tested positive for something. | ||
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No. | |
| His last fight? | ||
| Machida was suspended for something. | ||
| Previous. | ||
| Was it before Derrick Brunson? | ||
| Yeah, before Brunson. | ||
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Then he had two years off, and then he fought Derrick Brunson. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| Then he fought Derrick Brunson, got starched, and they're like, hey, we need a main event for where the fuck it is, Poland or whatever. | ||
| And then he originally said no, and then I heard he was talked into it. | ||
| Who's he fighting? | ||
| Machida. | ||
| God, who's he fighting? | ||
| Jamie cannot be fast enough here. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| He could do both things. | ||
| We need to hire another dude. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Give him a chance. | ||
| While he's doing that... | ||
| He might be the fastest one-handed typer in the world. | ||
| He's a beast, man. | ||
| One hand working the fucking TriCaster. | ||
| One hand working the... | ||
| Jamie was a high school basketball player. | ||
| Probably would have gone D2, T3. It's Anders. | ||
| What? | ||
| Anders. | ||
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Does that sound right? | |
| You want to see something disturbing? | ||
| There's evidence of Jamie's basketball playing online. | ||
| Anders. | ||
| Who's Anders? | ||
| Which Anders? | ||
| Sounds jerk. | ||
| It's in Brazil. | ||
| What's the gentleman's name? | ||
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Eric Anders. | |
| Eric Anders. | ||
| It's in Brazil. | ||
| But he just got starched and he's taking this one. | ||
| Well, he could sell a lot of tickets in Brazil. | ||
| No, I get that. | ||
| I get all that. | ||
| Jamie's got legitimate three-point skills. | ||
| I watched that video of you just hitting threes. | ||
| You need to watch this. | ||
| After this, I was like, hmm, Jamie might be on the spectrum. | ||
| I was watching this. | ||
| I was watching. | ||
| I'm like, he might be like a little Rain Man-ish with his ability. | ||
| It was so impressive. | ||
| He played basketball. | ||
| It was so impressive. | ||
| We were talking about it. | ||
| He might be like in a hypnotic state. | ||
| He's been playing. | ||
| He was in the zone. | ||
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It's called the zone, yeah. | |
| Dude, it's called The Zone, bro. | ||
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I think he's in there all day. | |
| I think you could get Jamie to do that all day. | ||
| Bro, you have so much room. | ||
| Let's put up a basketball court. | ||
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Half court. | |
| That's not really for me. | ||
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But watch this. | |
| Jamie plays a lot of balls. | ||
| He's playing his whole life. | ||
| But watch these shots. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| Swish. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Here comes another ball. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Look like a young J.J. Reddick, sir! | ||
| Do you understand how hard this is to do for a guy who is essentially... | ||
| One mess. | ||
| One just a slight mess. | ||
| Look at that swish. | ||
| I mean, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Jamie, are you a Rain Man character? | ||
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What's going on? | |
| How are you able to do this? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Hashtag raindrops. | ||
| Raindrops? | ||
| Hashtag white chocolate. | ||
| Good technique. | ||
| Hashtag raindrops. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| That is hilarious. | ||
| Jamie's got real skill. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| Well, those guys that are super calm and measured and level, we're always the scariest guys to play pool with. | ||
| Because guys like Jamie were always the guys that didn't get too high and they didn't get low. | ||
| They're just like, boo! | ||
| And then they figured out how to get into that zone and they'd be terrified. | ||
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It's on. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I saw that three points, those shots you're making. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| Jamie's got that weird gear. | ||
| He's got that weird mental gear. | ||
| He taps into the zone. | ||
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I did a movie with a guy like that. | |
| Hey, who's the pool player we met? | ||
| The girl, the Texas Tornado. | ||
| Yeah, I talked to her about you. | ||
| Oh, Vivian Villarreal. | ||
| Yeah, she's badass, man. | ||
| She's a badass. | ||
| She's a badass pool player. | ||
| She's a badass. | ||
| She'll make you feel very uncomfortable with your manhood. | ||
| There's something about losing to a chick in pool. | ||
| Really? | ||
| In pool? | ||
| Yeah, something about it, man. | ||
| Pool's a man's game. | ||
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It's a manly game. | |
| I wouldn't give a fuck. | ||
| In pool? | ||
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Really? | |
| You say that, but if you play pool, you would. | ||
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You say that. | |
| Because it's about... | ||
| This is what it's about. | ||
| It's about keeping your nerves together under pressure. | ||
| So when a woman is better at keeping her nerves together under pressure, guys bobble shots and miss nine balls, and you're like... | ||
| There's some people that are just built for games. | ||
| I did a movie with a guy who was just... | ||
| I played chess with him. | ||
| I used to play with my dad and stuff. | ||
| He's beating me so quickly. | ||
| And I was like, why are you so good? | ||
| And he goes, I've just been playing. | ||
| I go, all right. | ||
| I go, have you read books on chess? | ||
| He goes, of course. | ||
| I went, oh. | ||
| Well, it's his thing, though. | ||
| That's his language. | ||
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No, it's not. | |
| Then I played pool. | ||
| He beat everybody at pool. | ||
| Then we played ping pong. | ||
| He beat everybody at pool. | ||
| Oh, he's a game guy. | ||
| He's one of those guys who's just good at everything. | ||
| He's got game theory. | ||
| Like, he noticed with ping pong, I pride myself on my ping pong. | ||
| I'm not good, but I think I am, and I'll talk a big game. | ||
| He noticed that my fucking, that my backhand over here is a little suspect. | ||
| So, of course, he just saw a hole in my game. | ||
| Those people who can see a hole, they're strategic. | ||
| Sounds like he plays a lot of games. | ||
| He's got a fucking hole in his game. | ||
| But that, get that. | ||
| He's playing a lot of games. | ||
| Does he get laid? | ||
| If I saw a hole in your game, I'm not going to do that because I want to play the game. | ||
| What? | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, he got laid. | ||
| And he makes a lot of money as a voiceover artist. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| You wouldn't try to win? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Depending. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about winning. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about beating you. | ||
| If you find out the guys get a shitty half guard, you tell them you don't go towards this half guard all the time? | ||
| When I street fight, yes. | ||
| Honestly, when I street fight, I'm not going into his half guard. | ||
| I gotta pee. | ||
| I gotta pee, too. | ||
| Let me secure your hips, at least. | ||
| Let me go. | ||
| You talk about street fighting when I come back. | ||
| Pee out of your medium-sized dick. | ||
| You talk about street fighting when I come back. | ||
| Don't fucking... | ||
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Shut the fuck up. | |
| Don't talk about street fighting with me, dude. | ||
| I take it very seriously. | ||
| I'm boxing with Wayne and your friends, and then when I come back, shut the fuck up. | ||
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Don't fucking... | |
| I'm a boxer, and I wrestle. | ||
| Do you think you get hit too much in the head as an older guy? | ||
| No. | ||
| Powerlifting? | ||
| No. | ||
| Did you see that new thing where they said that they trained AI to play chess? | ||
| There's a new AI program, and not only did it beat some world chess master, I just tweeted it. | ||
| See if you can pull that shit up. | ||
| By the way, it is from the Daily Mail, which you gotta go, hmm. | ||
| They might be exaggerating a little bit. | ||
| But it said that this chess computer had invented a series of moves that no one had ever seen before. | ||
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Good God. | |
| So it's being creative. | ||
| It did a move. | ||
| It did like a pattern that no one had seen before. | ||
| So it's figuring out how to play on the job. | ||
| There's this whole movement now. | ||
| People are writing books on how to deal with a second smart machine agent. | ||
| In four hours, a robot taught itself chess, then beat a grandmaster with moves never devised in the game's 1,500-year history, and the implications are terrifying. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And so what that... | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| The more terrifying thing besides is the fact that massive, massive sections of our job markets are going away. | ||
| Yeah, look at what it says here. | ||
| So what do we do? | ||
| Oxford academic. | ||
| AI could go rogue and become too complex for engineers. | ||
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| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That is it. | ||
| Hey, what are your thoughts on net neutrality? | ||
| Because I was talking to people online today about net neutrality. | ||
| I posted something about it that it seems to me to be one of those ideological camp issues where if you are leaning right, you think that net neutrality is a bad thing that the market should decide. | ||
| If you're leaning left, you think that there's some regulation that the government should step in and be important because you want to keep people from information. | ||
| You don't want a big Any corporation be able to step in and say someone can or can't have their program on AT&T or Verizon? | ||
| I think that from what I've read there are six major service providers, maybe a couple more. | ||
| That already smells a little bit like a monopoly, but what I think is this. | ||
| First of all, nobody really knows yet, but I think that the bigger issue becomes if these companies provide you service in your area. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They could decide, you want regular service or do you want premium? | ||
| If you want premium, we're going to pay a little more. | ||
| That's one thing. | ||
| They could break it up. | ||
| If that's the case, we'll let the market decide. | ||
| Maybe that creates an opening for another service provider to come in and say, we don't do that. | ||
| One price covers everything. | ||
| One of the guys on my Instagram, or my Twitter rather, had a really good point. | ||
| He said the real issue that people aren't talking about is the monopolies that these companies have in small areas. | ||
| Like if you're in a certain town, you can only get this kind of company, or Verizon, or AT&T. That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah, and that when you have a company that owns a certain town and then, you know, in certain areas is the only way you can get coverage is you have to do with this one company. | ||
| Then it becomes a real issue. | ||
| And not only does it become an issue, but the other issue is that the real question is if you are a service provider and you provide people in this area that service. | ||
| If you use platforms that the other service provides and they compete directly with this, would this service block that? | ||
| Would this service have an incentive to block your access to it or whatever? | ||
| And that would be an issue. | ||
| But my feeling is that we'll find out very quickly. | ||
| And as long as consumers have the ability to go over to another provider, as long as consumers have the ability to go, I don't like the way you do business, I want these guys. | ||
| But they don't in a lot of areas. | ||
| That becomes the issue. | ||
| They don't have access to any other options. | ||
| Time will tell you they have a license. | ||
| They have a license in a certain district. | ||
| Consumer backlash is how you fight that. | ||
| If there's enough consumer backlash and people go, this is bullshit. | ||
| Or you just keep net neutrality in place and prevent it, you know? | ||
| I'm going to have some experts on to talk about it soon in the future. | ||
| I'm going over all the data and information, but I just wanted to get people's temperature. | ||
| And it's so funny how people get so aggressive and shitty with you when you just talk about this issue. | ||
| A few people that I had a mute, I was like, good luck, dude. | ||
| Your opinion means shit to me because you just have to be insulting when someone's just asking a question. | ||
| You know, this whole thing is interesting, because there's smart people on both sides of it, and they have compelling arguments on both sides of it. | ||
| And I don't have an opinion 100%. | ||
| A lot of people don't yet know how this is going to play out. | ||
| What were you going to say, though? | ||
| You lean towards what? | ||
| I lean towards the idea that you have to have some oversight. | ||
| That you have to have someone who's looking out who makes sure that these companies can't fuck you over and can't prevent you from having access to certain information in certain sites. | ||
| I lean towards that most. | ||
| But the other question is, though, does the market decide that? | ||
| I was going to say. | ||
| The other oversight could be, I always lean toward the idea that the marketplace would be your oversight. | ||
| Let people make their choice, but they have to have a choice. | ||
| And as you were talking about, there are very few service providers. | ||
| My question is, is there incentive for other people to come into the service providing space? | ||
| Can they make money? | ||
| What are the barriers to entry as far as that's concerned? | ||
| To compete with the big dogs? | ||
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| No. | ||
| And secondly, is it in these service providers' interest ultimately to make extra cash for such bad press? | ||
| You may see nothing happen as a result, but I like the idea that the marketplace, that consumers have a choice. | ||
| And when consumers have a choice, they're going to go with what works the best for them. | ||
| I do too, but I do believe that it's entirely possible that large corporations could have Monopoly? | ||
| Real influence over the way our culture has access to information. | ||
| I think that should be stopped. | ||
| But I also think that these fucking government organizations almost all suck. | ||
| They're all filled with unmotivated people who suck at their job and the bureaucracy and the fucking red tape gets deeper and thicker. | ||
| I think almost every government organization that does any task is flawed. | ||
| So the idea that we should have government take care of these issues, I have a problem with that too. | ||
| I see both sides of it. | ||
| I see this side, too. | ||
| There's another dark side of the marketplace, though. | ||
| I think the news nowadays makes a lot of money on clickbait. | ||
| And so you now have companies, whether it's the Huffington Post or CNN or whatever, who are less interested, it seems, in objective reporting of the news and way more interested in generating Did you see the fucking Newsweek title that they put out about Trump and the Nazis, like, stealing Christmas? | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's a classic example. | ||
| See if you can find it. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I'm already intrigued, you know? | ||
| That's the world we live in. | ||
| It's such a clickbait thing. | ||
| Infotainment. | ||
| And that's a tragedy. | ||
| Which you would always say... | ||
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They have to compete? | |
| They have to compete. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| They have to compete? | ||
| But you'd always think they're measured, they're intelligent. | ||
| This is Newsweek. | ||
| They're one of the most respected... | ||
| They have to adapt. | ||
| When Chris Rock was working on a bit... | ||
| How Trump and the Nazis stole Christmas to promote white nationalism. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Fucking slow down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| You're going to get Caitlyn Jenner elected president if you keep this shit up. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You have to understand what's happening here. | ||
| People are going to go nuts. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| According to some polls, the media's approval rating is in the single digits, and I think they deserve it. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I'm not nearly as cynical as a lot of people, but as I get older and I see how irresponsible a lot of the news is, how much money there is to be made by just hinting or associating somebody's name with something Kind of volatile. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And you get to sell that story. | ||
| But isn't that the product of their environment? | ||
| They're dealing with what gets a response and what gets clicks. | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| So our societies are the ones who are telling them to do this. | ||
| They're not just making this shit up. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| They're like, well, if we say Trump and the Nazis stole Christmas, how many clicks are we going to get? | ||
| See, but what they're doing is they're being disingenuous. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| They're being disingenuous here in this article. | ||
| Scroll up a little bit. | ||
| Because here's one of the things it says. | ||
| It says, Donald Trump wants America to think he reinvented Christmas. | ||
| We can say Merry Christmas again, he has said on numerous occasions, both during the campaign and president and presidency. | ||
| Christmas is back better than ever before. | ||
| He told supporters a month before the Christmas season. | ||
| He's just talking. | ||
| He is doing what a guy who's very persuasive does to try to get people on his camp. | ||
| He's a falcon politician. | ||
| He's also got a sense of humor, by the way. | ||
| But it's not even true. | ||
| What he's doing here is not even true because he, in the past, did a lot of tweets about happy holidays. | ||
| People pulled them up. | ||
| He used to say happy holidays all the time. | ||
| Really recently was tweeting happy holidays. | ||
| And then the idea that Obama never said Merry Christmas is 100% horseshit. | ||
| There's a whole video of Obama saying Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas over What's wrong with Merry Christmas? | ||
| Nothing wrong with it. | ||
| This idea is, he's trying to sell people on the idea that your Christian values have been suppressed by this mediocre left-wing government, and he's stepping in here to make America great again. | ||
| It's all a hustle. | ||
| But it's not white nationalists and Nazis. | ||
| Like, you can't say Nazis. | ||
| The problem is, when you say that, you leave... | ||
| The word Nazi loses its fucking meaning. | ||
| They're irresponsible journalists. | ||
| They're not journalists. | ||
| They're irresponsible. | ||
| Yeah, what he's doing is he's being a fucking politician. | ||
| He's being a weasel. | ||
| He's trying to pretend that Christmas was never, we never had Christmas before, we're gonna have Christmas now! | ||
| And all the dopes, all the yokels are like, yeah! | ||
| Bring him back Christmas, Donald! | ||
| You know, there's guys out there with Make America Great Again tattoos. | ||
| You just understand this. | ||
| This is real. | ||
| There's people with red hat tattoos that say Make America Great Again on. | ||
| There's dummies in every fucking quadrant of this earth. | ||
| But, you know, I have to say that the mainstream media, and I know I've never been a fan of Trump, but the way they treat him with this kind of stuff that I constantly hear, this petty shit, the way he drinks water and stuff, It's made me more sympathetic. | ||
| He's brought it on himself. | ||
| When you drink water like this, I gotta talk to you. | ||
| He's a strange guy. | ||
| When you drink 12 Diet Cokes, it might be true or I don't believe it. | ||
| I don't know what to believe anymore. | ||
| That's the other problem. | ||
| Because he tells a lot of lies too, though. | ||
| A series of quotes from him from back in the day saying, why would you drink Diet Coke? | ||
| You drink Diet Coke, people who drink Diet Coke are also all fat. | ||
| Diet Coke makes you fat. | ||
| It's been proven. | ||
| There's a whole series of tweets. | ||
| He might have just forgot he made those tweets. | ||
| Well, he shredded. | ||
| He just doesn't give a fuck. | ||
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Shredded. | |
| Jack. | ||
| He's in great shape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that, you know... | ||
| First of all, he as a president, here's a weird one. | ||
| There was a terror attack that was thwarted by the FBI in San Francisco. | ||
| You didn't hear a goddamn peep about it because he's against the FBI because of all this investigation shit. | ||
| So the president in the United States didn't congratulate the FBI, didn't tell the American people that the FBI has done a great job. | ||
| Have you heard about this? | ||
| I know about the terrorist attack. | ||
| I read that. | ||
| The FBI thwarted a legitimate terrorist attack. | ||
| And this is all this whole Make America Great Again stuff, right? | ||
| You want to stop the terrorists. | ||
| As a political point, he avoided this. | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| He holds a grudge. | ||
| FBI arrest man suspected of plotting ISIS-inspired Christmas terror attack in San Francisco. | ||
| He was an American Marine. | ||
| He was an American Marine. | ||
| He was a Marine who started going crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, well, it's just very, it's very crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and how about he started to, he started to like ISIS posts on Facebook, and then he reached out to ISIS and went, hey, looking to complete this mission, how do I get a hold of the guns and bullets? | ||
| And ISIS was like, homeboy, if you have to ask for the gear, it might not be for you. | ||
| Like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Like, they're dumb? | ||
| They're like, meet us on the dock. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| I was just like, hey asshole, get out of here, man. | ||
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Have our flag on your truck as you pull up. | |
| Make it super obvious. | ||
| Every time I've been to Pier 39, I've been there, every time I go to San Francisco, I always think that. | ||
| I'm always like, I don't think like that. | ||
| A lot of people, though, have been making this comment on why did the president not discuss this? | ||
| This is something that when you address the nation, you have to talk about it. | ||
| And even if he's in some sort of a squabble with one aspect of the FBI, you have to recognize that they did their job here. | ||
| This is why they're important. | ||
| They literally protected American lives and he's not mentioning it. | ||
| So this petty bullshit that they do when they're saying things like how Trump stole Christmas with white nationalists and Nazis, that kind of petty shit enforces his petty shit. | ||
| Gets in the way of real news. | ||
| And they go at each other back and forth and nothing gets done. | ||
| Someone needs to grow the fuck up and it should be the president. | ||
| But Newsweek needs to grow the fuck up too. | ||
| You can't say things like that. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
| We should be able to rely on the mainstream news. | ||
| And I know I'm going to get a lot of emails about the mainstream news. | ||
| Eddie Bravo was calling you right now. | ||
| We should rely on them to at least report the facts. | ||
| At least objective facts. | ||
| That was the whole point of journalism. | ||
| They were the fourth estate. | ||
| They keep power in line. | ||
| They speak truth to power. | ||
| That's the whole idea in a democracy. | ||
| You need a free press. | ||
| But now, with money, ratings, it has corrupted. | ||
| Well, there's also the fucking internet, man. | ||
| The internet came along and pretty much anybody can be a news source now. | ||
| Anybody can be a hashtag journalist. | ||
| There's a lot of fucking... | ||
| Change the game up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Change the game up. | ||
| Credentials are different. | ||
| Spread rumors. | ||
| Wikipedia pages. | ||
| I was saying this the other day. | ||
| I remember writing something about this, but like the idea that you in social media, if you... | ||
| We all have moments where we do some crazy shit, where we say stuff out loud that's politically incorrect, or we just behave in a way that could make you crazy, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, my dog ran into my knee the other day. | ||
| I was like, ah, fuck, it hurt. | ||
| And I instinctively kicked at her. | ||
| I was just like, fucking... | ||
| And I kicked. | ||
| And I missed her. | ||
| But, dude, it looked like I tried to kick my fucking dog in the ribs. | ||
| Because, by the way, in that split second, I was trying to kick my dog, who I love very much, in the ribs. | ||
| She hit my knee. | ||
| I was like, ah! | ||
| I don't think there's anything wrong with giving your dog a little knee tap. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| If somebody caught that on camera... | ||
| If somebody caught that on camera... | ||
| I mean, kick your dog in the ribs. | ||
| Listen, I'm just saying. | ||
| If somebody caught that on camera, it would have been Brian Callen... | ||
| If I was famous, they'd be like... | ||
| Say I was a politician or whatever. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| I'm the dog kicker, right? | ||
| And you should be. | ||
| That's a comedic example, but it's true. | ||
| But I'm saying that nowadays, and I was thinking about this, nowadays, anything that you do, if you're having a moment, if you're having a moment, or you make a mistake... | ||
| Describe a moment, though, B. I think you've got to be careful with this. | ||
| Hold on, I'll tell you. | ||
| You're making a mistake. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It could be... | ||
| Give me an example. | ||
| It could be you got caught... | ||
| At a strip club, you were making out with a girl behind a dumpster, but you're married, whatever it might be. | ||
| There are a lot of examples where everybody's fucking up. | ||
| Like my buddy, my buddy... | ||
| You're saying like a Kevin Hart situation? | ||
| He's fine? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| My buddy who owns buildings, he gets sued all the time. | ||
| And what he does is he'll just hire a private investigator and he just follows the dude. | ||
| He'll just follow the person. | ||
| Whoever's suing him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I go, why did he do that? | ||
| He goes... | ||
| Well, because everybody he's ever followed, he goes, everybody is always fucking up in one aspect of their life. | ||
| Well, especially someone who's sleazy who tries these illegitimate lawsuits. | ||
| And he always finds evidence that they're just, they're doing something. | ||
| I got a girlfriend, I got a boyfriend, it's always something. | ||
| But you're fine, B. So let's say in a hypothetical situation, you were cheating on your wife, you came out. | ||
| Here's the larger point. | ||
| The larger point is this. | ||
| I was thinking about how I was taking Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Hemingway, Picasso, and Einstein. | ||
| All known philanderers, known to cheat on their wives, just known their poor wives, and just real, real ladies' men and beyond. | ||
| How about Kennedy? | ||
| Forget that. | ||
| Everybody wants to keep talking about how Bill Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky. | ||
| There was a woman who came out who was one of the aides in the White House. | ||
| I believe she was 19. Kennedy made her suck his dick. | ||
| JFK fucked everybody. | ||
| And so what I'm saying is that in the days of social media now, we would have dilated on that. | ||
| And we would have looked at that. | ||
| He could have acted like that. | ||
| Is that what we want to focus on? | ||
| Because with those men, let's just take those men, they could have been discredited and cut out at the knees depending on when that activity was exposed. | ||
| Okay, but you're talking about technology. | ||
| It could have undermined everything they were working for. | ||
| But hold on. | ||
| Isn't it possible that we need to have a more realistic understanding of what a human being is? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And then seeing all these flaws in a person and then getting past that is maybe the way to go. | ||
| Yes, the way the Europeans do. | ||
| But our problem is that we're dealing with this old model where everybody was like some fucking Cary Grant dude in a movie. | ||
| And, you know, the good guys wore white hats, the bad guys wore black hats. | ||
| That's not realistic. | ||
| That's not realistic. | ||
| That's American. | ||
| Our problems... | ||
| Isn't it an American because it hasn't been exposed and we don't have a new realization of what human beings are? | ||
| And so isn't all of this excruciating, detailed information that comes out about anybody that's seeking power, isn't it ultimately like a good thing to see like, oh, he's like me. | ||
| I know I fuck up. | ||
| He's like me. | ||
| Oh, that guy's like me too. | ||
| So instead of thinking there's some person, some Dalai Lama guy who's going to come save us, the one guy on the planet doesn't have any vices. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Instead of that, maybe we should have a more honest interpretation of what it means to be a human being. | ||
| And compassionate understanding that sometimes we're, you know, Jordan Peterson said something fucking amazing to me. | ||
| He goes, we're ruled by different gods depending on the moment, time of day. | ||
| We're ruled by the god of sex, the god of jealousy, the god of anger, the god of resentment. | ||
| It just depends on the moment, which is his argument for an overreaching god. | ||
| But I want my president to be better than me. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I don't want him to have the same vices as me. | ||
| Yeah, held to the higher standard. | ||
| They're going to be better than you anyway. | ||
| Just because they have the same flaws that you have doesn't mean they're not better at you than running the government. | ||
| But if he has a drug addiction and he's fucking hookers nonstop on the side, I don't want him running my country. | ||
| But he could be the mayor of Toronto, like Rob Ford did a great job while he was the mayor of Toronto smoking crack. | ||
| Bill Clinton wasn't bad either. | ||
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I'm just kidding. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| I just think we need a more nuanced point of view of what human beings are, and I think we've lost it. | ||
| I think we're very... | ||
| Americans have to... | ||
| Don't you think people are being held accountable more, though, B? Like, there's actual, like, bad dudes who are like, ah, fuck, it's There's good and bad. | ||
| There's good and bad to this. | ||
| I just hope that we come back around with the fact that human beings are complicated, that we're all fucking up, that just because I fuck up in this act doesn't mean I'm a bad person all the way through. | ||
| Trevor Noah said something that was interesting. | ||
| He said, what I don't understand about Americans is how you can't be both things. | ||
| Why do you have to be one thing or another? | ||
| You gotta have a black hat or a white hat. | ||
| Can you be, is it possible to sympathize with the Black Lives Matter and also be pro-cop? | ||
| Can you have both? | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| No, we pick teams. | ||
| We pick teams. | ||
| Teams in a way. | ||
| Well, it's very common to pick teams, for sure. | ||
| So it's an instinct that we have. | ||
| I think we are getting better at understanding what a human being is. | ||
| And I think to equate Harvey Weinstein with finding flaws in politicians is very different. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Because what he was doing was essentially... | ||
| He was a rapist. | ||
| Not just that. | ||
| He was like... | ||
| That was part of how he engineered his business. | ||
| He engineered his business to like... | ||
| Feed his sexual harassing and sexual assault appetite. | ||
| He's a piece of shit all the way around. | ||
| In his fucking contract. | ||
| But that's going on, I think, in other corporations, just not in entertainment. | ||
| Like that? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Like the way he did it, where the girls had to fuck him to get parts? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I think he's an outlier. | ||
| I think he's a bad man. | ||
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I don't think so. | |
| I think he's an outlier. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think when there comes power and there's pretty girls, I think men are going to abuse that power. | ||
| Not always. | ||
| I'm not saying always. | ||
| I'm not saying always. | ||
| If you think Harvey Weinstein in that position of power is the only guy to do that to that level, you're crazy. | ||
| No, but B, women are also drawn to power. | ||
| I like how you guys call each other B, like your fucking 15-year-old kids in Brooklyn, you dorks. | ||
| We're cuties. | ||
| Because we're a couple of cuties. | ||
| See, and I agree, it's scary, but I think it's a witch hunt only for witches, man. | ||
| It doesn't bother me. | ||
| No, you can't say that. | ||
| I'm glad these guys get turned on. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You can't say that because a witch hunt is also based on hearsay and accusation and not proof. | ||
| So you have to have due process. | ||
| For some. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| For some. | ||
| You have to have due process. | ||
| We all know that we live now at a time when just accusations can ruin your entire career. | ||
| Give me an example, B. Whose career has it ruined that wasn't true? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Garrison Keillor. | ||
| Garrison Keillor is a good example. | ||
| Garrison Keillor is the best example. | ||
| He's a guy like his entire career has been known as this like super nice guy. | ||
| Consoles some woman, hugs her, his hand goes down her shirt on her back. | ||
| She pulls back, he apologizes, he sends her a letter apologizing. | ||
| She accepts it, they stay friends, and then she goes public with it when all this Me Too stuff comes out. | ||
| And he got fired? | ||
| Yeah, she didn't just get fired. | ||
| They changed the name of his thing. | ||
| But Al Franken admitted he did some shit that he shouldn't have done and grabbed some butts. | ||
| Al's almost a better point. | ||
| I think Al, I don't think he's a bad guy. | ||
| I don't think he's a bad guy either. | ||
| I don't think he's a bad guy either. | ||
| He didn't stand up for himself. | ||
| Al Franken's a good example. | ||
| He did for a while and then he couldn't. | ||
| And all the Democrats now in Minnesota are having second thoughts. | ||
| He shouldn't retire. | ||
| Hey, you fucking guys. | ||
| You mobbed up on Twitter. | ||
| Like, a little proportion. | ||
| We need to have... | ||
| Well, who's we, though? | ||
| You're talking about such a large number of humans. | ||
| There needs to be a national narrative. | ||
| Some people mobbed up because it's naturally in their fucking behavior pattern. | ||
| There needs to be a national narrative on where the line is, too. | ||
| A lot of people don't know where the line is. | ||
| I know where the line is. | ||
| You know where the line is to me? | ||
| If you don't want something and I'm humiliating you or embarrassing you, and if I did that because I'm an idiot, then I've got to make amends and figure out what I did wrong. | ||
| You're 100% right, but we have to understand what you're saying when you're saying the line. | ||
| The line includes free speech, and free speech for 320 million people is going to leave an exorbitant amount of human beings that feel like they should gang up on everybody any time something goes sideways. | ||
| And that's what you see and that's what you feel. | ||
| Mob mentality. | ||
| React to that, because they don't want blowback, they don't want boycotts, they step in and fire people that maybe shouldn't get fired. | ||
| But I also think in the workplace it's scary. | ||
| Even for me, there was a female comic the other night, we're on the lineup, and I'm into fashion, I'm almost too gay with it. | ||
| She had this dope coat on. | ||
| I said something about her coat, and I thought, ah, fuck. | ||
| Was I too forward with her about her coat? | ||
| I'm scared of it now. | ||
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| You've got to be careful how it's interpreted. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| There was a male in the room, and I was like, dude, where'd you get that coat from? | ||
| We're talking about coats. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I saw hers, and then she was about to go on stage. | ||
| I was like, I love your coat. | ||
| That coat is dope. | ||
| And I grabbed her arm. | ||
| I was like, ugh. | ||
| Oh, you've got to be careful. | ||
| Is she going to blast out? | ||
| Isn't that fucked up, though? | ||
| And I thought, ah, fuck, man. | ||
| See, the reason why it's fucked up is because of your intentions. | ||
| Your intentions are only like, you really do love fashion, and you see a really nice coat, and you're like, ooh, that is nice. | ||
| Like, the way I would look at a nice car. | ||
| Wait, what about if a woman's beautiful, and I go, you are fucking... | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Because the way you do it... | ||
| When you do it, you start humping your back. | ||
| Well, I'm not wearing pants. | ||
| Your crotch comes forward. | ||
| You also touch them. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not wearing pants. | ||
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| Like a giant cashew. | ||
| That's weird? | ||
| Why do you think that's weird? | ||
| I'm being complimentary. | ||
| Because if it was my sister, I'd want to punch you in the face. | ||
| Fuck away from my sister. | ||
| Think about it in the workplace, too. | ||
| If a girl wears a pretty dress... | ||
| I saw a comic tweet out, can't a girl wear a dress without being fucking complimented on it? | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Without being complimented? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What do you mean? | ||
| Like, can't we just dress up and you can't say a word? | ||
| Like, you don't see guys saying, hey, nice tie. | ||
| Like, can't women come in the office and not get remarks? | ||
| Fuck, that's the world we're living in, man. | ||
| You can't say, man, you look great today. | ||
| You look gorgeous today. | ||
| You're confusing this. | ||
| What you're saying is, can't a woman come into the office and get remarks, get positive remarks? | ||
| No. | ||
| It doesn't have to be a good thing. | ||
| Can't the man not say anything about a woman the way she looks in the office place? | ||
| Can't she just be another employee? | ||
| A woman was asking for that. | ||
| Yeah, a woman goes, can you guys just not comment? | ||
| The woman was saying that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, a woman was saying that. | ||
| She doesn't know what it's like to be a man. | ||
| Sometimes you want to compliment somebody. | ||
| There's also the reality, and this is something I've been talking about in my act a lot. | ||
| There's a reality of the way women are allowed to dress both on television and in real life in office situations where they expose enormous swaths of skin. | ||
| Which men are not. | ||
| If men in the office were wearing skirts, and you could see their toes, and they had sleeveless shirts, and this is common. | ||
| This is commonplace, and there's nothing wrong with it, and there's nothing inappropriate about it, and I'm not commenting on it, like, criticizing it, but the reality of the way women are allowed to dress, like, if you watch Megyn Kelly on television, she's, especially during the Fox News days, when she's the ice princess, she wore these very small dresses that looked like she was going out for a hot night on the town. | ||
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Not mad at it. | |
| Jamie, bring that up for a second. | ||
| It's not a bad thing, man. | ||
| No, it's not a bad thing. | ||
| There's videos that just show women on Fox News crisscrossing and uncrossing their legs and then dangling their shoes off their feet. | ||
| How about the weather girls? | ||
| Check out the weather girls in Latin America. | ||
| The weather girls in L.A., son. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| So girls that... | ||
| Girls that dress like that should be allowed to dress any fucking way they want. | ||
| But there is a reality of the way they're dressing that is way more sexually suggestive than anything that a man is allowed to wear. | ||
| There's not a sexual equality when it comes to wardrobe. | ||
| When it comes to wardrobe in an office, if every woman dressed like Barbara Walters in the 1980s and wore a fucking pantsuit and had one of those big collars on and shit, dress like Ellen. | ||
| Every woman was like Ellen when she hosted her show. | ||
| But this is why all women should be in burkas. | ||
| But that outfit, that Ellen outfit, is basically like a female version of what men wear. | ||
| When men are on television, they wear a suit, jacket, they wear a nice shirt, they wear pants with a belt. | ||
| Isn't there also a truth to how men naturally are drawn to women in certain outfits? | ||
| I mean, like men are more visual overall than women. | ||
| You're talking about yoga pants, sir? | ||
| Talking about just how men... | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| What? | ||
| Get in the fuck out of here! | ||
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Yes! | |
| How is that the face of a woman who's giving you the news? | ||
| She's a serious journalist. | ||
| Yeah, she's so... | ||
| And that was back when she was, like, way hotter. | ||
| She was younger. | ||
| I got no problem with that. | ||
| I don't have a problem with it either, but what is that? | ||
| Go in the upper right-hand corner. | ||
| Upper right-hand corner of that series out there. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| I'm not mad at her at all. | ||
| She's stupid hot, right? | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Short hair now, which I disagree with. | ||
| But imagine now... | ||
| Imagine now... | ||
| Which I disagree with. | ||
| Don Lemon wearing that same outfit. | ||
| Well, I wouldn't look good in that. | ||
| Actually, I have good legs. | ||
| They're okay. | ||
| You don't know, dude. | ||
| You've seen me in high heels? | ||
| You're okay. | ||
| Don Lemon's is better than me. | ||
| You don't have good legs. | ||
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Who? | |
| You. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| They're okay. | ||
| Well, you have... | ||
| Let's be honest with fathers. | ||
| They're okay. | ||
| Yeah, my psoriasis flared up again. | ||
| I mean, fuck off. | ||
| It flared up again. | ||
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I did. | |
| I know. | ||
| But I think my flu caused my psoriasis. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| No, you have it all the time. | ||
| I just got it again. | ||
| We have to make sure that we let everybody know what we're saying here. | ||
| I'm not saying that women should be sexually harassed because they dress sexy. | ||
| I'm saying if you wear something that looks nice in the office, I think guys should be like, damn, you look really good today. | ||
| But it's a problem because if the girl responds to that, then the guy's like, ooh, she wants the dick. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Guys are meatheads. | ||
| She has to be careful about how she walks to the water cooler by herself. | ||
| And you're going to come up to her and she's on her way to the bathroom and ask her weird questions. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| But don't a lot of people get married in the workplace? | ||
| Don't they have romances in the workplace? | ||
| Don't they meet their lovers there? | ||
| Not anymore, buddy. | ||
| That shit's illegal. | ||
| Shit's illegal. | ||
| Maybe it should be, but I don't know. | ||
| That's where you meet people. | ||
| Oh, we'll have a bunch of people who are really unhappy. | ||
| That's going to make men and women unhappy. | ||
| This is puritanical. | ||
| I know a lot of people, especially in the TV business, that the writer would hook up with one of the girls who was in production, and then they wound up being married and having kids. | ||
| Yeah, it's a great story. | ||
| And I also know a lot where the writer would hook up with one of the girls in production and then they would break up and it would be a fucking disaster on the set and one of them would wind up leaving. | ||
| Let individuals take that responsibility. | ||
| Okay, you know what we're all asking for? | ||
| We want a higher authority, a corporate, nameless, faceless bureaucracy. | ||
| To lay down these laws on high in stone. | ||
| And there are certain things you can't do. | ||
| No relationships whatsoever. | ||
| I don't care if you're two human beings. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| The workplace is going to be fucking great. | ||
| America's going to be fucking happy. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Instead of giving individuals the responsibility for managing their own relationships, their own romance, and now in colleges, and now in fucking Fucking colleges. | ||
| My nephew's got to sit there and every step of the way sexually he's got to go, is this okay? | ||
| Is this okay? | ||
| He's got to get consent every time. | ||
| Fuck that too. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I won't. | ||
| It's big brother. | ||
| It's tyrannical and it's not going to make anybody happier or safer. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
| You know why you walk a girl to her car at night? | ||
| Not because men, not because of rape culture, not because men are dangerous, because there are psychos out there. | ||
| Because there are psychotics. | ||
| I think both. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| There's a lot of guys you've got to watch out for. | ||
| Of course there are! | ||
| Or one guy! | ||
| It takes one guy in a van. | ||
| Right, but it's not just psychos. | ||
| It's sometimes just a guy with a couple of drinks in them who's an asshole. | ||
| Yeah, drunk dudes, it's whatever. | ||
| Listen, man, all my friends who are drunk, we've talked about this, You know, rapists in jail have to be protected from the other inmates. | ||
| Men who are regular guys like us don't like those fucking guys. | ||
| No, child rapists have to be protected. | ||
| There's a lot of guys that are in jail. | ||
| Pertuse O'Neil got arrested once, falsely accused of rape. | ||
| And one of the things that he said was that when he went to jail, he was worried. | ||
| And guys would be like, no, no, no, that's a skin beef. | ||
| They would call it a skin beef. | ||
| It's like that's not like no one thinks you're a rapist. | ||
| It's one thing if you get accused of being like some serial rapist who breaks into women's- Then you're fucked. | ||
| Then you're fucked. | ||
| But a guy who a girl, they have a dispute and the girl claims the guy raped her. | ||
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Oh yeah, I don't know. | |
| Which no one wants to admit happens and it happens way less. | ||
| I think way more women don't report rape. | ||
| Way more. | ||
| Then women report false rapes. | ||
| Oh, I agree 100%. | ||
| Way more women are embarrassed, disturbed, sickened. | ||
| They feel dehumanized. | ||
| They don't even want to discuss it. | ||
| They would rather not be outed as someone who got raped and let this person get away with it. | ||
| That's a common thing with women. | ||
| That's why I think some of this hashtag MeToo is good. | ||
| But also, some women lie. | ||
| That happens too. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| But you can't... | ||
| But they're humans. | ||
| They're humans, but you can't tailor everything towards those few negative apples. | ||
| No, you don't, but you don't tailor anything towards the idea that those apples are non-existent and impossible. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| But I'm going back to the office space. | ||
| You're going to always deal with false accusations. | ||
| You're going to deal with people who don't report things. | ||
| You're going to deal with all these things in the wide spectrum of humanity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just don't think that this zero tolerance, nobody's allowed to date anybody because we don't want to... | ||
| And that's where we're at. | ||
| That's what happens. | ||
| I don't agree with it. | ||
| We talked about it on our show, and I never even thought about it until we were at the comedy store. | ||
| And when I told that girl in Ice Code, I thought, oh, fuck. | ||
| Do I seem creepy? | ||
| Because she's young. | ||
| You know, she's 21. Amazing comic. | ||
| I gotta piss. | ||
| Go ahead and piss. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You guys are very aggressive with each other. | ||
| If you bring up your nephew, one more fucking talk. | ||
| Who's his nephew? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's going to some school. | ||
| I just can't talk. | ||
| Go pee. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Man, he gets on. | ||
| You two are like an old married couple. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, I want to kill them some days. | ||
| But I think we're talking too much about sexual harassment. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But I think... | ||
| People will shut it down. | ||
| You know what the problem is with sexual harassment, too? | ||
| It's everywhere. | ||
| So when they tune in to shows like this, they don't want to fucking hear it here either. | ||
| Neither do I, really. | ||
| People are trying to work it out. | ||
| I think that's one of the important things about talking about it. | ||
| But the problem is men are talking about it. | ||
| Like, we don't know jack shit about it. | ||
| Like I said, I don't really deal with it until that night. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| No one's coming at us with it. | ||
| I've only had gay guys hit on me aggressively a couple times ever in my life. | ||
| Andy Dick tried sucking my dick. | ||
| I felt uncomfortable. | ||
| That's Andy Dick's kind of favorite. | ||
| I'm just kidding, by the way. | ||
| He tried, but he's awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had a comic once at the Montreal Comedy Festival late at night when we were all hanging around the bar getting super aggressive with me. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Super. | ||
| Way back in the day. | ||
| This was like... | ||
| I want to say like late 90s. | ||
| Real uncomfortable moment where I had to tell him, get the fuck away from me. | ||
| Bigger dude, too? | ||
| Could have been some problems? | ||
| No, it wasn't like a physically threatening thing. | ||
| I literally told him I would stomp a fucking hole in his chest if he touched me again. | ||
| Did it work or did it turn him on? | ||
| No, it worked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I was serious. | ||
| I was like, you gotta stop touching me. | ||
| He knew what was up, yeah. | ||
| Well, he was drunk, and I wasn't. | ||
| It was one of those weird moments where someone is being sexually aggressive, and they think it's funny, and then they try to take it to the next level to show you how crazy they are, or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, they can't blow. | ||
| I was like, dude, do not touch me like this. | ||
| And then I realized, oh, this is what it's like when you're a woman, except the woman can't kill the guy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Like, I'm dealing with a doughy, drunk comedian that I could kill. | ||
| Yeah, if you tried anything, you just whoop his ass, where women don't have that option. | ||
| Whereas they don't have that option at all, and it's not funny. | ||
| With a woman, it's not a funny situation. | ||
| With me, it was funny. | ||
| It was never like I was nervous. | ||
| But it was like, God, this is gross. | ||
| Well, I think you look at it different, too, because you have two daughters. | ||
| I do now. | ||
| I didn't then. | ||
| I'm saying now you do where it's like, fuck man, it's scary. | ||
| You do that, just having children. | ||
| You look at people so differently because children are so vulnerable. | ||
| And when you have a little kid and you see that little kid trying to make their way through the world, you think about them being victimized by some sort of an evil predator. | ||
| And it's fucking awful. | ||
| It's a terrible feeling. | ||
| It's a weird thing that we have to reconcile. | ||
| The fact that some people do prey on other people's vulnerabilities and weaknesses and Boy orca. | ||
| Boy orca. | ||
| I'm looking for a new nanny and you hear all these horrible stories about nannies and the molest kids. | ||
| I do not play that shit. | ||
| There's some horrible videos of nannies lifting kids up and throwing them against their crib. | ||
| You can't watch them. | ||
| It makes me sick. | ||
| They're so infuriating. | ||
| It makes me sick. | ||
| One kid was all fucked up and bruised and the parents put this fucking camera and they caught the lady picking the kid up by his arms and literally throwing him across the room and you watch it and you're just like, oh my god. | ||
| It'd be tough for me not to go to prison if I came home and saw that. | ||
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It would be really tough. | |
| It would be so, so tough. | ||
| I have more self-control than a lot of people. | ||
| It'd be so tough not to choke the life out of her. | ||
| You know what they say that gave rise to the helicopter parent phenomenon? | ||
| That? | ||
| One of the things they talk about, like how students are so entitled and they became sort of like this idea that they can say anything they want. | ||
| That's sort of the whole movement of my personal sovereignty is everything. | ||
| One of the theories would be that in the 80s, when kids started disappearing and you started reading about it, all of us as parents, as human beings, there's nothing worse, right? | ||
| You can't think of anything worse. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that created this, every parent, your biggest fear, right? | ||
| So now you go, I'm not letting my kid take his bike down to the neighbors, because it might only be 600 yards, but... | ||
| John Wayne Gacy might be waiting. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| My dad didn't let me walk home. | ||
| That's always happened, actually, but it was, you know, now people say, remember when we used to be able to play out there? | ||
| It's always happened, but we started learning about it. | ||
| People started establishing patterns about it. | ||
| Then we had certain serial killers like John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy and stuff like that. | ||
| Dude, I dodged bullets twice in my own life. | ||
| I dodged a bullet once when I was about 8 years old and again when I was about 13. What do you mean dodge a bullet? | ||
| Guys are trying to fuck me. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| A guy tried to take me out of a library when I was a little kid. | ||
| The librarian starts yelling out, he was going to show me these books in his car. | ||
| And the librarian started yelling out, Joseph, you get away from him. | ||
| That guy just got out of jail. | ||
| And I'm fucking crying. | ||
| Ryan and I run to her and the guy runs out of there. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And then another time when I was 13, some guy like literally tried to get closer and closer to me and my friends. | ||
| He would jog around this lake that we would fish at, sit down and talk to us, seemed like a super nice guy. | ||
| And then it got creepier and weirder until one day he showed up drunk and he told me he loved me and that no love could be, you can't have love without sex. | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| Hell, man. | ||
| And I was 13, and I was a little skinny kid, and I was hiding. | ||
| You know, we were in this area of this pond where it's like- He's a man, right? | ||
| Yeah, he's a man, a big man, too. | ||
| Do what he wants. | ||
| And there's, you know, I'm waiting for a jogger to come by and catch this guy fucking me in the ass in the bushes. | ||
| Like, what do I do? | ||
| So what'd you do? | ||
| I told him to get the fuck away from me. | ||
| I put my hand in my pocket where I had a knife. | ||
| I held on to the knife as if I could. | ||
| And if a 13-year-old tries to cut you. | ||
| You cut that dick, though. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| If you didn't grab your arms first. | ||
| I wasn't strong. | ||
| I was super vulnerable. | ||
| But my point is, I got lucky and dodged two bullets in my life. | ||
| And they weren't bad bullets. | ||
| It wasn't like some guy chloroformed me and threw me in a van and fucked me in the ass for a month. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| But it's... | ||
| It's not worst case scenario, but it was enough to know that those things are real and they're out there. | ||
| There's a lot of people. | ||
| My buddy got, from the age of 9 to 12, this guy was just this master manipulator and he ended up like getting essentially raped from 9 to 12 and he was their neighbor. | ||
| He was like, he lived, he was like probably 25, whatever, and he lived and he did work around the place and he, what he was really good at was he got my friend Like, he created a sympathetic character. | ||
| So my friend felt like he was like, I was having sex with him because I felt like I was taking care of him. | ||
| Otherwise, he would die if I didn't. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, so he put all this stuff on him. | ||
| And then what happened was, he went through all that. | ||
| His mother, like, they found out. | ||
| His mother said, you did nothing wrong. | ||
| But they didn't know. | ||
| This is in the 70s or early 80s. | ||
| They go through the whole thing. | ||
| The guy, I think, went to jail. | ||
| But... | ||
| It was later. | ||
| It was later that that trauma began to manifest itself. | ||
| Like later on. | ||
| And he was never really... | ||
| He's never been okay. | ||
| No, he's got to be feeling gross and dirty and just... | ||
| You hate yourself. | ||
| Is he gay? | ||
| No, but he's not gay, but he was never able to... | ||
| I don't want to say too much because, you know, I haven't talked to him in a long time, but I was close to him. | ||
| You might have known... | ||
| I think I've told you a little bit about him. | ||
| He would paint... | ||
| He's a great painter. | ||
| I have some of his paintings in my home. | ||
| And he was such a great, special guy. | ||
| But he would paint the same thing over and over again. | ||
| And he never ever painted a different variation. | ||
| His podcast got dark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, I think humans need to pay attention to the worst aspects of our behavior. | ||
| And one of the things that Jordan Peterson has said that I think is incredibly important is what scares us the most about Nazis and murderers and psychopaths and rapists is we are all human and given the right set of circumstances with the right set of input and the right set of genetics and the right set of environments and the right set of life experiences and the right set of abuse in the household growing up, you could be that person too. | ||
| And enjoy it. | ||
| Yeah, and when you talk to neuroscientists and people that are actually studying how the human brain develops, and one of the things that Robert Sapolsky said when I had him on the podcast was a really fascinating thing. | ||
| He said that I think in the future we are going to look back at the idea of punishing someone for their actions. | ||
| As being so incredibly short-sighted and foolhardy, because what this person is, when you think about the concept of determinism, right? | ||
| The concept of everything in your life has led you to be who you are right now, and your idea of free will is essentially an illusion. | ||
| Your free will is based on so many different factors that you have no control over, and they influence you to such a great deal. | ||
| The idea that this person is in this terrible situation that does this terrible crime is just acting out of evil intentions. | ||
| It's a foolish way of understanding how the human brain develops. | ||
| How would you treat those people? | ||
| It's a very good question. | ||
| No one has answered that. | ||
| Back in the day when somebody had an epileptic seizure, you were thought to have been possessed by a demon. | ||
| If you hit somebody, you would be held accountable to that. | ||
| But what I thought was fascinating is World War I. Dan Carlin talks about this as well. | ||
| In World War I, when they didn't know what... | ||
| What kind of concussion, the bombs and their concussion would do to a soldier over and over and sleep deprivation living in those trenches. | ||
| And what happened was some people would just begin to go in shock. | ||
| They would get shell-shocked. | ||
| And so you could see them, their bodies would start to constrict and they couldn't really move. | ||
| But back in the day, those guys would be brought out and shot for cowardice. | ||
| Because they were being cowards. | ||
| And you could see their bodies were actually manifesting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, here's the thing, too, of the problem with drafting an army or requiring people to sign up or making it some sort of a cultural mandate is there's some people that are just not designed for war. | ||
| They can't handle pressure. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a lot of people that just can't handle fucking pressure, period. | ||
| And for whatever reason, whether it's biological, whether it's environmental, whether it's a combination of nature and nurture, who knows? | ||
| But there's some people that just, as of right now, they just can't do it. | ||
| It's not their thing. | ||
| They just can't handle pressure. | ||
| But also there's injury. | ||
| There's also constant... | ||
| Sleep deprivation injury that nobody can handle. | ||
| And the shock of impacts near you. | ||
| There's a lot that happens to people, and obviously the psychological trauma of it all, and knowing that at any step, you can step on a landmine, any step you can catch a bullet in the head, any step. | ||
| Well, Jordan said something else that was interesting. | ||
| He's helped people with PTSD when they come back from a war and they were from Iowa and they had a very sort of linear notion of, first of all, the military. | ||
| I want to be a man. | ||
| I want to do the right thing. | ||
| Duty, honor, loyalty. | ||
| These linear concepts. | ||
| Of course, you get into war and all of that gets shattered. | ||
| Sometimes it might even get mocked just because there's the fog of war. | ||
| There's so many things you do. | ||
| And some of these guys end up doing things that are... | ||
| To them or because of the circumstance maybe inexplicably cruel or just they did something that they can't live down and He would always kind of help them see that Human beings being the bipolar ape that we are are capable of incredible kindness and in beautiful construction and of course on the other side of that you have in you the ability to do unspeakable violence and terrible destruction for its own sake And oh, | ||
| by the way, in the moment, enjoy it. | ||
| That's being a human being. | ||
| We're fucking complicated men. | ||
| But that's also how we got here. | ||
| The only way you get from the wild ape swinging through the fucking trees in the jungle to 2017 with your Tesla driving you down the street without you even touching the steering wheel, the only way you get to that is through aggression. | ||
| I mean, it sounds crazy, but you get to that through aggression and competition because if you don't have that ability to survive, you're not going to get past the Jaguars, you're not going to get past the invading tribes. | ||
| So you don't need that today. | ||
| I'm not saying you need it today, but the only reason why... | ||
| We got out of those terrible situations is because we had the ability to become that monster that defends itself or that monster that attacks for its own interests. | ||
| That's literally what facilitated us developing. | ||
| Yeah, and also the fact that development requires a certain amount of destruction in in terms of like I did this podcast with them I'm gonna drop soon on mixed mental arts and we He said something, because somebody wrote this article, this woman, a professor, wrote this article about how certain speech is violent because when you say something that I disagree with or that hurts my sensibilities, it puts me in a state of stress, and that would be violence. | ||
| And so Jordan said, fine, let's extrapolate for a second. | ||
| Yes, it's true that words can pierce your heart. | ||
| I mean, he said, I'd rather get punched in the face. | ||
| You've got to hear him say it. | ||
| But he said, essentially, the problem is that What about six months down the line? | ||
| If I am trying to help you grow and become a better person, I see a fundamental flaw in your behavior, in your character. | ||
| And I tell you, if you have bad breath and you can't get a date, and I go, dude, your breath could melt paint. | ||
| At first, it's going to be fucking embarrassing to you. | ||
| But you're going to thank me six months down the line when you did something about it. | ||
| More importantly, if you say to somebody, dude, you want to be... | ||
| I see you trying to be this, whether it might be a great comic... | ||
| You don't write. | ||
| You're not disciplined. | ||
| Whatever it might be. | ||
| You don't want to hear that initially. | ||
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You're talking about the truth? | |
| The truth! | ||
| And sometimes you have a set of beliefs. | ||
| Sort of you built your house around this set of like sort of an ideology. | ||
| You think you have the truth. | ||
| And somebody comes along with a different idea, a different point of view that shatters those walls. | ||
| And man, you don't like it. | ||
| You want to go back to your safe space. | ||
| But good luck growing! | ||
| You don't get closer to the truth by fucking saying you're causing violence. | ||
| I think the real problem with this is that these people are not trying to grow. | ||
| The people that are trying to change the definitions of words to suit their own intentions, they don't want competition. | ||
| And it's not by chance these are the same people that support Marxist ideologies. | ||
| They don't want competition. | ||
| They want a lack of competition. | ||
| They think competition is bad. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| There's a lot of that out there, man, because they're not good at it, because they don't want to face that ultimate objective view of who they really are and their actual capabilities. | ||
| They'd rather get a bunch of fucking weird social justice brownie points for a bunch of weird things. | ||
| There's a lot of that. | ||
| There's a lot of that. | ||
| And you can see those patterns and the way those people talk. | ||
| They have very specific ways of talking. | ||
| You can point out very specific things that they say, things that they talk about. | ||
| They're going to be the first to talk about white privilege. | ||
| They're going to be the first to talk about trans rights and all these different... | ||
| And there's a way of talking, an actual pattern that the way they communicate, your words are violence. | ||
| There's literally a pattern that they've adopted, a predetermined pattern of behavior of thinking, the ideology, and the way they communicate so they all know that they're on the same team. | ||
| Yeah, it's called owning your impact, your verbal impact. | ||
| Yeah, and there's a pattern to the way the noises come out of their mouth. | ||
| It's fascinating because they're so uniform. | ||
| It's so common to hear these people talk the same way. | ||
| When Jordan Peterson got in this debate on television with this It looks like a man, and I say it in the same way that they and them are, you know, pronouns. | ||
| I don't mean to be negative. | ||
| I don't know if this is a man or a woman, because he's clearly uber-feminine, but has a beard, and says there is no biological difference in gender. | ||
| He was a professor of medicine there. | ||
| At the University of Toronto. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| He goes, I'd be happy to unpack that for you, and it's like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, XY chromosomes. | ||
| See if you could find that. | ||
| See if you could just find that guy saying to Jordan Peterson, there's no biological basis for gender. | ||
| They were trying to force him under penalty of law and fine or whatever and jail to not use someone's preferred pronoun. | ||
| Which I would do just because I don't want to hurt somebody's feeling. | ||
| But they're trying to pass it as law. | ||
| So if you didn't use Xur or whatever, you would be tried for hate speech. | ||
| And that's where we head. | ||
| You know, with the communists, communism was a true religion in the Soviet Union, and they had essentially clergymen, people who were sort of, you know, the purest form of a priest, the idea that somebody would go around and check with the soldiers to make sure that their piety, that their allegiance to the communist cause was intact, and they'd ask you questions and stuff. | ||
| Are other cultures having these problems, where these surnames are coming up and all that stuff? | ||
| I mean, it's happening in Canada. | ||
| It's happening in America. | ||
| I'm sure it's probably happening in England. | ||
| It's happening in different ways. | ||
| It's happening in, like, Europe and Brazil. | ||
| It did in the 20th century. | ||
| It was called fascism. | ||
| It was called communism. | ||
| Human beings love religion. | ||
| We're all religious. | ||
| And there are man-made religions, and there are religions that are, you know, at least... | ||
| Purported to be from on high. | ||
| At least with on high religions, they're rather fixed. | ||
| It seems that man-made religions tend to be more ideologies. | ||
| And the difference between those, by the way, is philosophy is something that's trying to get to the truth with logic and reason and debate. | ||
| Ideologies, there's no room for debate. | ||
| It goes back to what you were saying. | ||
| There's no room for debate. | ||
| We have the answers, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| That is equality at all costs. | ||
| I'd be happy to unpack that for you. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Do we have that video now? | ||
| Let's see if we can find it. | ||
| Jamie will find it. | ||
| I can't stand the guy. | ||
| But it was a bizarre conversation because it's like, okay, I see what you're doing. | ||
| You're trying to reinvent reality and there's a bunch of people that support you. | ||
| There's a bunch of other people that are delusional and they're also right there with you trying to reinvent reality. | ||
| Is there a huge movement? | ||
| Like, is this a big thing? | ||
| There's enough that people are talking about it. | ||
| The thing about movements is... | ||
| They're losing ground, too, though. | ||
| Yeah, of course they are. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| There's not enough people. | ||
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No. | |
| There's not enough people are going to support it. | ||
| So many people are going to reject it. | ||
| The real movers are going to be like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Well, not only that. | ||
| This is not like a behavior thing. | ||
| This is science. | ||
| You're talking about chromosomes. | ||
| It's science, bro. | ||
| You're talking about gender dysphoria. | ||
| You're talking about all sorts of different issues that are like... | ||
| These are recognized... | ||
| Actual issues that human beings have. | ||
| What are these issues, though? | ||
| Are you saying there's no scientific basis? | ||
| You're saying you can't differentiate between a male and a woman, a man and a female? | ||
| That is bizarre nonsense. | ||
| Of course you can. | ||
| You could make the distinction between male and female, and then he and her, in a way. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| The bald one is the one who said it. | ||
| That woman is in the women's studies department. | ||
| He's not transgender. | ||
| There's something going on. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's not correct that there is such a thing as biological sex. | ||
| And I'm a historian of medicine. | ||
| I can unpack that for you at great length if you want, but in the interest of time, I won't. | ||
| So that's a very popular misconception. | ||
| So essentially, in my transgender studies classes, what we're doing is looking at actual research and identifying ways... | ||
| That current social issues related to trans people or things that are associated with trans, such as free speech arguments and claims, how that connects to the way that people are thinking, the way that research has been framed, the histories of systemic... | ||
| I don't focus on pronouns because pronouns are actually part of a cisnormative culture. | ||
| So what we do is learn about... | ||
| I was just about to explain. | ||
| So we don't start from a cisnormative perspective. | ||
| Okay, let's kill this before I throw up. | ||
| Dude, this guy's a He's crazy. | ||
| Is that a guy or a girl? | ||
| That used to be a girl? | ||
| That's a man. | ||
| Did it used to be a woman, though? | ||
| He has a better beard than me. | ||
| No, that's a man. | ||
| On hormones. | ||
| That's a man on hormones. | ||
| I think that's a man on a female that's on male hormones. | ||
| No, I disagree. | ||
| Do you know who Buck Angel is? | ||
| No. | ||
| Buck Angel is a porn star that was born a woman, that became a man through hormones, and she was on the podcast. | ||
| He was on the podcast. | ||
| He's a he now. | ||
| Talks exactly like that guy. | ||
| Sounds just like him. | ||
| That guy right there. | ||
| That's Buck Angel. | ||
| Born a woman. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No. | ||
| Just play a clip of him on the podcast. | ||
| This is what I want you to hear. | ||
| I want you to hear the way he sounds. | ||
| Because he sounds literally exactly like that guy. | ||
| Like he could be doing an impression of that guy. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's all jacked and yoked and shit. | ||
| How long ago is this? | ||
| A couple years ago, I want to say. | ||
| A hundred thousand years ago. | ||
| Two hundred thousand years ago. | ||
| Women had to run, too. | ||
| Women had to fight, too. | ||
| Women had to stay alive. | ||
| Women had to protect their babies. | ||
| I mean, they didn't have to do it as much or often. | ||
| Get to him, man. | ||
| Get to him. | ||
| And they'll be less likely to stick around and raise their children. | ||
| No, clearly. | ||
| But it doesn't make sense to me, the whole professional bodybuilding thing. | ||
| That used to be a female. | ||
| Let me see a before picture. | ||
| Let me see that porno. | ||
| Same voice. | ||
| I think that guy is a guy who was born a woman who took male hormones, just like Buck Angel. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You might be fucking right. | ||
| But the idea that there's no biological difference I don't see a naked picture, so let me see the girl version. | ||
| So he doesn't have a penis? | ||
| That's not what he looks like. | ||
| What? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That's not what he looks like. | ||
| I am... | ||
| See, what is the word I'm trying to look for? | ||
| I... That him right there? | ||
| That was before and after, it said. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's what it said. | ||
| Does this make sense? | ||
| I feel like if the world had my attitude... | ||
| Fool me. | ||
| Wait, but... | ||
| If the world had your attitude, then it would be perfect? | ||
| No, no, no, definitely not. | ||
| But I think if the world had my attitude about this... | ||
| Even as a kid, if I saw that somebody was very effeminate, or I saw that... | ||
| Say somebody was like, I feel like I'm a woman, but I want to be a man or a man. | ||
| I have no problem with that. | ||
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Do your thing, man. | |
| I would have protected that person. | ||
| And more importantly, I think I would have gone out of my way to make no big deal about it and they would have been included. | ||
| Yeah, but we're not talking about you. | ||
| What we're talking about is that sort of conversation is a nonsense conversation and this is going on over and over and over again because those people are in a cult. | ||
| Eric Weinstein was on my podcast. | ||
| Weinstein, sorry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not like Harvey Weinstein. | ||
| Eric Weinstein, the brother of Brett Weinstein, was on my podcast, and he said, here's how you know when you're in a cult. | ||
| When you hear there is no biological difference between men and women, you're in a cult. | ||
| Who puts up with that, though? | ||
| Who's educated that puts up with that bullshit? | ||
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Super common in colleges today. | |
| In colleges today, you're hearing it left and right. | ||
| In major colleges. | ||
| Major universities. | ||
| In America. | ||
| Yes, in America. | ||
| They're teaching this and people are afraid to correct them. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| They're afraid to say anything different about it. | ||
| And that's exactly right. | ||
| And in fact, if you even say gender dysmorphia was considered... | ||
| Dysphoria. | ||
| Dysphoria, sorry. | ||
| It was considered a... | ||
| Mental illness for a long time, even to suggest that that may be a subset of the population. | ||
| Maybe it's worth it when you have a child. | ||
| Well, if you have a child who's thinking of themselves, there are people, Hollywood actors, that are having their children, from what I have heard, haven't seen this, what I've heard from people that I know. | ||
| Their kids are going through... | ||
| They're getting hormones. | ||
| I think before that... | ||
| There are any hormone blockers. | ||
| Owen Benjamin got in a shitload of trouble for talking about a guy who has a three-year-old that he's putting through hormonal blockers and he was talking about how fucking insane that is. | ||
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It's insane! | |
| People were barring Owen Benjamin from work. | ||
| Are you kidding? | ||
| I love that Owen Benjamin guy, by the way. | ||
| He's just an animal. | ||
| Let this child develop. | ||
| It's child abuse. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| But if you talk to any legit doctors who know anything about it, they go, really? | ||
| We shouldn't be doing anything until you're past 21 years old. | ||
| We shouldn't be doing anything. | ||
| Then if you want to do it, yes. | ||
| Frontal cortex does not even fully develop until you're 25. That was one of the things that Sapolsky talked about as well. | ||
| Just wait until you're 25. Yeah, but there's some kids that at a very young age are very adamant about the fact they were born in the wrong body. | ||
| And some of them, you look at them and you go, well, it makes sense. | ||
| So it's like who's right and who's wrong and when do you decide? | ||
| But here's when you don't decide. | ||
| Three! | ||
| Three is crazy. | ||
| Three is crazy. | ||
| Three, he should be put in jail. | ||
| There's something wrong with our culture where we think that that's a good idea to interfere with the hormonal system of a very complex thing, like a human being. | ||
| Three? | ||
| Not only that. | ||
| It becomes this sort of thing to do. | ||
| It becomes a thing that the CDC... What is the Canadian broadcast network? | ||
| CBC? They didn't want to talk about a story. | ||
| And I tweeted this a while back, too. | ||
| They didn't want to have a story on about transgender children because they showed that 85% of the kids that wanted to be trans after a couple years changed their mind. | ||
| There was a giant percentage of these kids that went through a phase. | ||
| You know, Ruby Rose, that famous actress, I think she's a lesbian. | ||
| She's really pretty. | ||
| She was in that John Wick 2 movie. | ||
| She said that when she was young, that she had thought about being trans, and she's really happy that she didn't actually go through it with the hormones and everything. | ||
| And now she realizes this is just... | ||
| She just doesn't fit in, and a lot of people don't. | ||
| They don't fit into what society has in line for them in terms of a man or a woman, this binary one or zero. | ||
| This old school... | ||
| That makes sense, too. | ||
| I also think a lot of the activism came out of a good place, which was that 40% of people who have transmorphia? | ||
| Gender dysphoria. | ||
| Gender dysphoria? | ||
| You've got to get that right. | ||
| 40% commit suicide. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| You're not even supposed to say that anymore. | ||
| And by the way, it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not they have had surgery or not have surgery. | ||
| So I was going to ask you that. | ||
| I heard that after they have the surgery, it doesn't actually put a dent in that. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| But the question is, are they depressed because they haven't been accepted as who they really are? | ||
| By society? | ||
| Yeah, and society caused them to have these irreparable scars, and that's what's led them to commit suicide, ultimately. | ||
| Because we don't accept them. | ||
| And it wasn't fixed by the surgery. | ||
| Is that possible, too? | ||
| Is it possible that we could be more accepting as a society and as a culture, and then these people could just be whoever the fuck they want to be? | ||
| And that's alright, too. | ||
| And maybe we would have a lower suicide rate if it wasn't thought of with this great stigma. | ||
| But you're not going to fix that by having people like that go on TV and say something that's a blatant scientific lie. | ||
| That guy's sick in the head. | ||
| That guy should not be educating young minds. | ||
| And people are coming out of those schools. | ||
| Thousands of people every year are coming out adopting these ideas. | ||
| Let me know what college he's in, because my son's not going there. | ||
| And they rebel against their parents, and their parents might be some fucking right-wing, square-jawed knucklehead, you know, that has some stupid ideas about what a man is and what a woman is, and it is, and God says a man should not live with a man. | ||
| Dude, studios and directors get massive heat for not having transgender actors Characters and stars and all that and there's this index. | ||
| How many lines did women say versus how many lines did men? | ||
| How many female strong characters are? | ||
| It's just like, can we just let people... | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Do you know about this cover with all these women? | ||
| They were talking about inclusivity. | ||
| Is it on time? | ||
| It's a different magazine. | ||
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But it's all white women. | |
| How is this diversity? | ||
| You're all white women. | ||
| You're not even playing by your own rules. | ||
| They got a lot of shit for it. | ||
| They should get a lot of shit for it. | ||
| Fuck let that slip through. | ||
| Like, what message are you trying to send? | ||
| You're saying, is this an anti-male message? | ||
| Because you're a bunch of white women. | ||
| Yeah, but you know, dude, now you're getting into this, my favorite fucking favorite new discipline, which is intersectionist feminism. | ||
| Don't know if you know what that is. | ||
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Intersectional. | |
| You should know what it is. | ||
| Yeah, intersectional. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| So, with the feminist movement, it really began with white women. | ||
| I think it started in the Women's Studies Department or at least the Literature Department at Yale University. | ||
| And they did some work, man. | ||
| Those women were serious. | ||
| And you can't say that the feminist movement didn't have something to say and didn't have some work to do. | ||
| Of course it did. | ||
| Smart women were like, I don't fucking want to be, you know, there are some issues and disparity. | ||
| But what happens with any movement is that it's like, well, we're white women. | ||
| What about black women? | ||
| They have it way worse than we do. | ||
| And we can just keep extrapolating. | ||
| What about black women with allergies? | ||
| Black women with lupus? | ||
| What about black women who come from really poor and violent areas versus black women who come from a better area? | ||
| What about black women who are midgets? | ||
| You can keep extrapolating. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Little person. | ||
| Small people. | ||
| You can just keep... | ||
| So at the top... | ||
| Sorry, buddy. | ||
| At the top of the sort of power structure now, the inverted power structure, is people that are the most oppressed. | ||
| They're the voices that have to be heard the most. | ||
| The problem with breaking this down into all these sections is you get ultimately to... | ||
| Because when they had this huge—Christine Summers talks about this—they had this huge intersectionist, feminist sort of congregation where all these women got together. | ||
| But in the group, when they were meeting in the convention center, they started breaking up. | ||
| They started breaking up. | ||
| Oh, they were breaking up. | ||
| They were like, well, we have allergies, so— We're not over there. | ||
| And by the way, you're black, but you're white, you're a feminist, but you date, you're a black feminist, but you also, you date a white woman. | ||
| Sorry, you're a little more privileged. | ||
| You gotta go over there. | ||
| And then the midgets were over there. | ||
| Yeah, so it became this, it became one click after another. | ||
| That's crazy that women become clicky. | ||
| That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. | ||
| You want to know my favorite story in regards to this? | ||
| Let me just finish this one story. | ||
| The problem with that movement is that as you keep extrapolating, you get to what's called the individual. | ||
| The Founding Fathers figured that out a long time ago. | ||
| Ultimately, you're going to get down to the fact that you should treat everybody as an individual. | ||
| I like it as an individual. | ||
| That's the whole point. | ||
| Yes, you can keep going, but if you keep playing that game, you're just going to get down. | ||
| Everybody's different. | ||
| Everybody has something. | ||
| A white dude, my buddy Dave Otley, has a spine like this, and he's going to die unless he gets an operation. | ||
| His life sucks. | ||
| He's about that big. | ||
| His email is no-neck Dave. | ||
| I say I love him. | ||
| He's fucking hilarious, Dave Otley. | ||
| But Dave is white. | ||
| He ain't privileged. | ||
| He came from a Mormon family, a large family. | ||
| He wasn't, you know, his life has not been fucking easy. | ||
| He can't breathe. | ||
| So you can keep extrapolating. | ||
| That's why you treat people as individuals, because you don't know anything about them. | ||
| You actually don't know anything about what they've gone through. | ||
| Could be a great looking guy, sleeve tattooed, 6'4". | ||
| It's a nonsense conversation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because what they're really trying to do is establish power structures. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And they want to have power over the rest of the people in the group because they apparently have more things that are going against them. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Finish what you were going to say. | ||
| My favorite story is there was an all-girls college, and this woman is running for president of student council, and she decides that she's a male. | ||
| She decides to change her gender. | ||
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The best. | |
| And then the fucking kids... | ||
| She didn't get an operation there. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| She just decided. | ||
| She was masculine of centered genderqueer, was how she described herself. | ||
| But decided to change her name to a male's name. | ||
| Then, the women in the school were voting against her because she is now a white man. | ||
| And the white man is the patriarchy. | ||
| And it was the president of diversity or something like that. | ||
| Like some student council. | ||
| It becomes a form of madness. | ||
| President of diversity. | ||
| Did she go back? | ||
| I do not know. | ||
| I do not know. | ||
| Somebody sent me something about that. | ||
| Somebody said something about colleges have become these specialized, they specialize in subjects that have increasing irrelevance. | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird thing, man. | ||
| I think people automatically have this desire to stand out and be more important. | ||
| They automatically do. | ||
| It's just like a common thing. | ||
| And they can do it through merit, but merit, it's difficult. | ||
| Meritocracies are hard. | ||
| You might fall short. | ||
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Fuck yes. | |
| And sometimes along the way, you see your meritocracy not working out for you. | ||
| You'll claim there's some sort of a conspiracy against you, and there might be. | ||
| You'll claim other people have privilege, and they might. | ||
| You'll claim all these reasons why you're not getting ahead. | ||
| And you might be right. | ||
| You might be right in some ways. | ||
| Because colleges are like this, aren't a lot of comics not doing the tours anymore? | ||
| Yeah, a lot of comics. | ||
| I stopped way before this. | ||
| I stopped doing colleges in the early 2000s for that very reason. | ||
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Really? | |
| For that reason? | ||
| They wanted to limit you? | ||
| They were just way too sensitive and they didn't have life experience. | ||
| The problem is I like talking to people that have bills and jobs and people that have relationships that didn't work out so good and now they have a fucking kid but some lady who hates them. | ||
| That's my crowd. | ||
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You know? | |
| I like talking to people that owe taxes, spending their fucking money trying to figure out what they're doing in their life. | ||
| They want to talk about real shit. | ||
| Meritocracies are my favorite. | ||
| Meritocracies are how you find out who's real, who really deserves it. | ||
| You don't do colleges anymore either, do you? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| It's just not a smart thing to do because those people in those colleges are very, very young. | ||
| You're dealing with 19-year-olds, 20-year-olds, and they're in this weird ideological bubble. | ||
| There's all these fucking people that are just jammed in together in this group, and everybody's trying to stand out in weird and unique ways, and there's people that are doing it by claiming they're Masculine ascender, genderqueer, and changing their name. | ||
| And wow, you're so unique. | ||
| You're so amazing. | ||
| And there's also people that are doing it because they're trying to buck that system. | ||
| They're becoming the Republicans on campus and people are calling them Nazis. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of fucking weirdness to being young. | ||
| Chappelle talks about that in his special where some woman rushed the stage. | ||
| We've suffered as much as you. | ||
| And he's like, hold on. | ||
| You're a white woman, then take it easy now. | ||
| I know you've suffered, but take it easy. | ||
| But just that thought, like, we've suffered as much as you, how does that invalidate this person's suffering? | ||
| If someone's on stage talking about their suffering, the nature of your suffering is invalid. | ||
| It's not relevant. | ||
| You can relate to that person, not relate, but the fact that you can stop them from talking, or that you think you can stop them from talking just because you've suffered yourself as well. | ||
| Like, what about me? | ||
| You're there for a fucking audience! | ||
| You're an audience member. | ||
| Your job is to sit down and listen. | ||
| If you want to be a performer, well, you need to fucking get an act, you need to get booked at the club, you need to become a professional, have people come and pay to see you, and then you can express yourself. | ||
| You're violating the audience versus performer rules. | ||
| I also think that people who are that sensitive, they haven't really figured out what they believe in. | ||
| They don't really believe in what they're saying. | ||
| They just belong to a group and they like being a good foot soldier. | ||
| They haven't really thought out why they're on that team. | ||
| Or they haven't been challenged. | ||
| They might have thought it out, but they've been thought it out with a bunch of other people that are thinking the same things that they think. | ||
| They felt it out. | ||
| It feels right. | ||
| It's not thought. | ||
| Well, she's going to do that on a live comedy show. | ||
| She has some serious issues. | ||
| There's a lot more going on there. | ||
| She rushed the stage. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Like fat shaming. | ||
| There's another thing. | ||
| Fat shaming. | ||
| It's a very similar thing. | ||
| You're not supposed to talk about people being overweight. | ||
| You're not supposed to talk about people being fat. | ||
| You're not supposed to discuss it as being a real health issue. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You're fat shaming them. | ||
| You talk about reality. | ||
| You talk about your friend with his bad back and his fucked up spine and has a hard time breathing. | ||
| Seriously, from the jump, right? | ||
| That's just a reality. | ||
| Being overweight, same thing, is what you're saying. | ||
| But it's worse, because it's by decisions that they've made that's allowed them to get that big. | ||
| If you just decided to not eat, that is a possible answer. | ||
| Now, we go back to determinism. | ||
| I've tried that. | ||
| How much of your life is... | ||
| You're a beautiful man. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| I've tried that. | ||
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You're fine. | |
| We have suffered more than you, Brandon! | ||
| But if you go back to, you know, what we're talking about, about determinism, I mean, is your life, are you right now in the middle of conscious decision-making that's shaping your destiny, or are you a product of all your life experiences, all of the input that you've received, your genetics? | ||
| See, it's a very dangerous, scary area because I don't like taking personal responsibility away from people. | ||
| I don't like it either, but the reality about human bodies, and Rhonda Patrick was talking about this the other day, morbidly obese people have differences in their sperm that is transferred onto their children that does not exist when that person loses the weight. | ||
| When a person loses the weight, all those genetic problems go away. | ||
| They reverse themselves. | ||
| Then that raises another question. | ||
| If you do have a genetic propensity for whatever it might be – gambling, alcoholism, obesity – it doesn't mean as a human being you can't figure out a way to – Game the system so that you don't fall victim to it. | ||
| And we have to keep that open as a possibility so that my free will counts for a lot. | ||
| No, I'm with Rhonda Patrick. | ||
| Send all the fatties to another place. | ||
| But was Rhonda Patrick saying that obesity is passed down? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, wow! | ||
| She was saying that the genes that are problematic amongst obese people, those genes, they change when the person loses the weight. | ||
| So even if a person has gastric bypass surgery and they lose the weight and they get down to a normal weight where they're not obese anymore, their genes that they express and the way they transfer them to their children, they will be different. | ||
| Meaning that those kids could be skinny. | ||
| Like Al Roker's fine. | ||
| I have a friend who's overweight, and he has a daughter that's overweight, and she's approaching teenage years. | ||
| She's thick. | ||
| No, she's overweight. | ||
| That's what I mean by thick. | ||
| But she drinks tons of soda, and she eats tons of candy, and he's not a good friend. | ||
| It's just a guy that I know. | ||
| It's weird to watch, because it's like, well, I see where this is going. | ||
| Is he not educated, though, on nutrition? | ||
| No, no, he's not. | ||
| He's not a thinker. | ||
| I don't know the guy well enough. | ||
| Obviously, I would never comment on, hey, you've got to treat your fucking kid better. | ||
| But I see the kid, and I see the thing, and I was like, Jesus Christ, this kid's fucked. | ||
| Sometimes when they're happy and they're fat though, I appreciate it. | ||
| This kid's not happy. | ||
| So it's not a good... | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's one of those things where, you know, if you make choices and then your children see those choices and make those same choices... | ||
| You know, you're responsible for passing that pattern on in some sort of a way. | ||
| And sometimes people don't realize that until someone like Rhonda Patrick says it. | ||
| And one of the things that Rhonda sent me was an email that she had gotten where someone sent to her this guy that was literally listening to that, eating some shitty food and put it down and decided there and then to make a change in his life. | ||
| He's like, I didn't think that this was gonna literally change my genes that I pass on to my children. | ||
| Wow, that's cool. | ||
| See, the more you learn about stuff, you get a lot of education, man. | ||
| Not of your destiny, but maybe your children's destiny. | ||
| Yeah, some people just don't know, man. | ||
| Well, you're not just, you're literally hamstringing them from birth. | ||
| If you're a fat fuck and you have these kids, sorry, fat shaming, you let it out of the gate, you know, and your children from the jump are dealing with all your poor choices and you have to see that, that's going to punish you. | ||
| A lot of it's education. | ||
| A lot of people just didn't know that, you know, it used to be like high-fiber, low-fat diets, how you lose weight, and people couldn't lose weight. | ||
| Then they were like, try not eating sugar and bread and things that spike your insulin. | ||
| Yeah, but then some people who are obese, are they saying it's a mental weakness, or is it a mental illness? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Everyone has the ability to do things different. | ||
| Nothing's stopping you from just cutting all the bad carbs out, cutting all the refined sugar, cutting all the refined carbohydrates, eating a very healthy diet, and then working out all the time and slowly but surely losing the weight and becoming healthy. | ||
| Nothing is physically stopping you from doing that, right? | ||
| So what is stopping you? | ||
| Well, there's a lot of behavior patterns that people deal with. | ||
| There's a lot of depression. | ||
| There's depression. | ||
| There's addiction. | ||
| What are those mechanisms? | ||
| And these are all things that we need to address, too. | ||
| You can't just say, hey, man, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. | ||
| Because people don't know how to do it. | ||
| How do I get out of my own way? | ||
| They get depressed. | ||
| They feel terrible. | ||
| They feel maligned by society. | ||
| But I don't think helping them, I don't think you can help them by saying you're fat-shaming them by talking about the fact that being fat is gross. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| It's just bad for you. | ||
| The world's going to do it anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The world's going to do it quietly. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to feel it. | ||
| It's going to get there. | ||
| This is my problem with the side. | ||
| It's the right and the left, actually, on the fringes. | ||
| They're way more interested in punishment than they are persuasion. | ||
| You know, I know that we can pass lots of laws. | ||
| I know we can have workplace stuff that kind of like makes everybody safer, quote unquote. | ||
| It's just going to suppress behavior. | ||
| It's not going to change behavior. | ||
| You need to figure out a way. | ||
| If you're really serious about changing behavior, appeal to my heart and my mind and make it logical. | ||
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Through food. | |
| When you teach me how to eat, the biggest issue I always find with keeping people motivated is, number one, they... | ||
| You can get pumped up. | ||
| You can go to a Tony Robbins seminar and get pumped up and really make a change. | ||
| The question is, how do you keep inspired day to day? | ||
| How do you stay inspired? | ||
| You know that comment about inspiration, that inspiration is like bathing. | ||
| It's effective, but it has to be done regularly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's good. | ||
| I think community and information, these two are huge. | ||
| You have to be around like-minded people that also want to do the same thing. | ||
| That helps. | ||
| When you're around fucking lazy cunts who don't want to do shit, they're always making excuses, it fucking trips you up. | ||
| It's real bad. | ||
| So if you have friends that are always making excuses, you gotta push them away. | ||
| You gotta separate. | ||
| Tell them, hey man, this is how I feel. | ||
| I feel like you're always crying about stuff, and you're always thinking, woe is me, and you trip us all up. | ||
| It's a negative cloud. | ||
| Give them the opportunity to see how you see them, and if not, you've got to find other people that are more motivated to improve their life. | ||
| Then, information. | ||
| And in community and information, I also include things like this podcast. | ||
| Anytime people are talking about these things, uninhibited, uninterrupted, and uncensored, where you get to see the real thoughts that they have, and then Backed up by information from people like Rhonda Patrick, from scientists, from peer-reviewed studies, things that you read, you get a sense of like, oh, I'm not alone in this, okay? | ||
| There's a bunch of other people that are thinking about these issues as well. | ||
| Like, what can we do, what can I do on a personal level to get past whatever weird shit I'm tripping up on my life? | ||
| Why do I keep smoking cigarettes? | ||
| Why do I keep lighting these fucking things up? | ||
| How come after work I just go for the ice cubes and start pouring scotch? | ||
| Why do I do that? | ||
| Why do I do that? | ||
| And all these people have to come to grips with this and having a community of people. | ||
| Like, I learned a shitload when we did that Sober October thing, man. | ||
| I learned a shitload. | ||
| Because I don't have a drinking problem, but knowing that I can't drink. | ||
| It's like inhibiting myself from that, no smoking, and then also having these 15 fucking yoga classes that we had to do, 90-minute yoga classes in a month. | ||
| It was a lot of everything. | ||
| But it was also that we were doing it together. | ||
| That Bert was doing it, Tom was doing it, Ari was doing it, I was doing it. | ||
| We were all doing it together. | ||
| We fed off of each other. | ||
| And at the end of it, when we were all celebrating and got through it, I was like, I learned a lot from this. | ||
| I learned a lot from this about the power of community. | ||
| I learned a lot from this about having things that you have to do. | ||
| Like, you just have to do those 15 classes. | ||
| Accountable to each other. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Where if you're just trying it yourself, it's going to be tough, man. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| But community and information. | ||
| Those two things are gigantic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Community is big, man. | ||
| So get rid of your fat friends. | ||
| It's not just information, but education. | ||
| There's a difference. | ||
| Don't have fat friends is what you're telling me. | ||
| But I have fat friends. | ||
| Hold on, man. | ||
| Some of them are fucking awesome. | ||
| You know? | ||
| If they wanted to change and they were bitching about it and they didn't do anything about it, then it would be a problem. | ||
| But some people are functional as fat people. | ||
| And they're also happy and I celebrate it. | ||
| I like fat people. | ||
| You know, look, some people are fat and they don't drink and they don't smoke and they don't eat bad food. | ||
| They just eat too much or they eat a lot of pizza or something like that. | ||
| And then there's some people that are fat and whine and complain and they're always depressed. | ||
| I don't have friends like that. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| I don't have happy fat. | ||
| And they're not good at anything. | ||
| This is the other thing. | ||
| You've got to be fucking good at something. | ||
| Have something that you have joy in, whether it's a game that you like to play or whether it's a hobby that you pursue. | ||
| Well, I would say Big Country has the good kind of fat. | ||
| He could give a fuck and he'll knock you out. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Would Big Country have been a world-class fighter at 185 pounds? | ||
| He wasn't a heavyweight. | ||
| That's a weird example, baby, yeah. | ||
| But yeah, but think about that. | ||
| Think of Big Country if he went on a crazy good diet. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because it goes back to- Guy's a fucking animal. | ||
| It goes back to also the idea that- Fighting Matt. | ||
| Part of his ability to fight- Stay calm, you know, perform under pressure might be the fact that he could give a fuck. | ||
| Like if you get too controlling about your weight, you might get too controlling. | ||
| It might be a mindset that you can't divest from in everything else. | ||
| If you get too calculated with everything you're doing and you step in an octagon, something goes wrong. | ||
| You're not as loose, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Or you're a mighty mouse. | ||
| Or you're a professional. | ||
| Or you're a professional. | ||
| Or you're a fucking George St. Pierre. | ||
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Who's a control... | |
| A lot of champions are control freaks to the nth degree. | ||
| Lance Armstrong. | ||
| I mean, he had that shit down to a science to read about it. | ||
| And greatest of all time. | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird conversation, right? | ||
| It's like, where do you draw the line? | ||
| What is more important, performance or happiness, right? | ||
| That's another thing, because sometimes your performance, in order to reach the real peak levels of performance, especially to maintain it as a champion, you're not necessarily going to be happy. | ||
| No. | ||
| You might be happy in brief moments after you win. | ||
| Wouldn't that be in everything though? | ||
| Just not with fighting, all sports, but even entertainment. | ||
| If you want to be the top, top comedian, you're going to suffer. | ||
| You're going to have to be selfish where you're not spending as much time with your family. | ||
| You're on the road. | ||
| You're doing this. | ||
| I think it's with anything. | ||
| If you want to be the tip of the spear there, there's going to be some selfishness there. | ||
| Yeah, and here's the other ironic thing. | ||
| That if you do spend too much time away from friends, away from family, you won't be as good. | ||
| Because you won't be as compelling. | ||
| It's like you have to find the balancing act. | ||
| You have to find a balancing act, or you won't be, like, happy. | ||
| Like, one of the things that I, the guy I always bring up is Richard Jenny, who eventually committed suicide. | ||
| And I think, to this day, he's one of the greatest comics of all time. | ||
| The guy was fucking completely miserable. | ||
| And he had mental issues, obviously. | ||
| He had mental health issues, which led him to commit suicide. | ||
| How long ago? | ||
| 2007. Dude, if you're a comic, you're trying to do stand-up, you gotta watch Richard Jennings. | ||
| Listen to a big steaming pile of me. | ||
| I tell everybody to get it. | ||
| It's fucking brilliant. | ||
| He's the most underrated of all time. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| And he was miserable? | ||
| Yeah, he's my top 20 all-time Greatest. | ||
| He's in there, and most people don't even know who he is. | ||
| He's just a tortured soul, or what's going on? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, tortured. | ||
| Yeah, he did a lot of plastic surgery. | ||
| Allegedly had pec implants, had a bunch of shit done to his face. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| A lot of shit done. | ||
| He wanted to be Jim Carrey. | ||
| Wanted to be some leading man. | ||
| But what he didn't realize along the way was, well, this was the thing back in those days, in the 80s and 90s. | ||
| Everybody wanted to be a TV star. | ||
| They all wanted to be on Home Improvement. | ||
| They wanted to have their own show like Roseanne. | ||
| Didn't work out for everybody, and he was one of the guys that didn't work out for, but what he did have that he wasn't getting recognition for was some of the best fucking stand-up ever. | ||
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Wow. | |
| His stand-up is so good. | ||
| But that wasn't enough for him? | ||
| It wasn't enough for him. | ||
| And why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, dude, a lot of comics, especially back then, it's different now. | ||
| It's different now than it was back then, but the community of comics is so, like, uh... | ||
| It's so tight and so welcoming now. | ||
| It used to be way different, right? | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| Not a warm group. | ||
| Not just that. | ||
| Everybody was all for themselves. | ||
| If you went to see a guy on the road, they usually took some guy with them that sucked, and that guy would do 15-20 minutes of shitty stand-up, and then this person would go out there and look like a god. | ||
| And that was the standard move that everybody did. | ||
| George Carlin, for the longest time, took this guy on the road with him that didn't work any other places. | ||
| And there's a lot of those guys. | ||
| They'll take a guy that works on the road only with them. | ||
| They literally don't even work as a professional outside of opening for them. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And they'll do this shitty act, and then this guy comes on and looks like a guy. | ||
| Just to make him look good. | ||
| Just to make them look good. | ||
| And that was what the standard move was. | ||
| And then something happened, and I don't know what it is. | ||
| I think there's a bunch of factors. | ||
| But I think one of the factors that happened was that there was more opportunity available, so there wasn't this feeling of scarcity. | ||
| Because before, when it was just everybody trying to get a network show, everybody was like, hey man, you might be trying for the same part I'm trying for. | ||
| I want to be the host of The Tonight Show. | ||
| You want to be the host of The Tonight Show. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| It's all every man for himself. | ||
| Fewer slots. | ||
| Fewer slots. | ||
| Fewer ways to make a living. | ||
| Then in the 2000s it opened up and the internet sort of opened up all these different possibilities and then guys like us realized, hey, I don't really get represented correctly in anything that I do that other people write. | ||
| What I need to do is figure out how to just be myself. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Like, people have this distorted idea of who you are because you hosted Fear Factor, or you were on Mad TV as Pool Boy, or whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| Like, this is how they view you. | ||
| And you go, no, I did that, but I also do this, and I'm also this person. | ||
| And back then, you couldn't do that. | ||
| It didn't exist before there was the internet and before you could actually express yourself completely uncensored. | ||
| So I think that that led people to be, like, much more scarcity-minded, much more famine-thinking. | ||
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| You know, and famine thinking is the fucking enemy of community. | ||
| As soon as you have famine thinking. | ||
| Especially being creative. | ||
| It's funny you say that because there's this amazing book I just finished. | ||
| You should have this guy on your podcast, Dan Coyle. | ||
| Did you send me that? | ||
| Is that the one you sent me? | ||
| It's called The Culture Code. | ||
| He wrote The Talent Code, too. | ||
| He studied highly successful groups, SEAL Team 6. Oh, this is all you're talking about. | ||
| about yeah seal team six uh uh fucking uh even jewelry thieves so they were like these amazing jewel thieves they studied them and they were these guys and they would come in they stole from a in the middle of the day in tokyo 105 million dollars worth of diamonds i think they went to monaco same thing stole like 50 million dollars worth and got away in speedboats right i mean | ||
| I mean, these guys would come in, 45 seconds, come in, bash, and they were like, holy fuck, they couldn't figure it out. | ||
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Speedboats. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, they were daring and they would treat the people in the stores roughly, but they didn't kill anybody. | ||
| But they and they were strong. | ||
| They looked athletic. | ||
| And they were like, all right, this is obviously, obviously, probably Archon's Tigers from the Serbian war. | ||
| They're clearly Serbians. | ||
| Serbian Crow out special forces guys right they just they were just too organized they were like like literally they moved They would dress up as women. | ||
| They'd come in like these beautiful women. | ||
| Turns out they were men, but they look like women. | ||
| Well, there's no biological difference. | ||
| Right, thank you. | ||
| But they'd get away with, let me say it again, $105 million in diamonds at a time. | ||
| Crazy shit. | ||
| The most successful of all time. | ||
| So... | ||
| They're constantly stymied by this idea. | ||
| Who the fuck were these guys? | ||
| They've got to be a military unit. | ||
| Turns out, nah, they sure weren't. | ||
| They were middle-class Serbian kids who'd grown up together. | ||
| They were all friends. | ||
| Some were, one guy was, he studied to be a lawyer. | ||
| Another one studied to be a journalist. | ||
| Another one, these are men and women, by the way. | ||
| Another one studied, played basketball, kind of like for a second. | ||
| Almost made a pro, but didn't. | ||
| Nothing that remarkable. | ||
| Middle-class kids. | ||
| They all, however—and there was no leader. | ||
| There was no mastermind. | ||
| They thought, there's got to be a mastermind. | ||
| I've got to find the mastermind. | ||
| There's always a mastermind that they bring the jewels back to. | ||
| Nah, not that either. | ||
| They were just a loose confederation of friends from three different towns, I think, who'd known each other since childhood. | ||
| And they had—they'd grown up in the war. | ||
| So they had a taste for action and adventure. | ||
| But they were all close. | ||
| And they would get together and they would plan out these whole heists. | ||
| And the way they would do it, the way they would do it, was fascinating. | ||
| Because there was no boss. | ||
| They would just spitball ideas. | ||
| And everybody was safe, not only to come up with a good idea, but everybody was also safe to sort of like... | ||
| To be wrong. | ||
| So he went and found the one guy that every SEAL Team 6... | ||
| SEAL Team 6 is fucking... | ||
| Who's the one guy, he said. | ||
| I want the one guy that's the baddest of the fucking bad. | ||
| I want the guy... | ||
| Because they are such an effective group. | ||
| And you and I are friends with Andy Stumpf, and we know some guys. | ||
| And every one of them was like, Dave Cooper. | ||
| Dave Cooper is the dude. | ||
| He's like the Hicks and Gracie of Navy SEALs. | ||
| And, oh fuck, I want to find this badass, this, who's this Francis Ngannou, Chino type, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Shows up, guess what? | ||
| He's a regular white dude. | ||
| Just a regular, very fit, but he's a regular dude. | ||
| Bring up Dave Cooper for a second, really. | ||
| And Dave is the kind of guy who'd be like, he's like, what do I call you? | ||
| He was like, he's like 20-year, like SEAL Team 6, Dev Group Commando. | ||
| He's like, you can call me Dave Cooper Fuckface, it's up to you. | ||
| That guy looks regular? | ||
| That guy looks like a fucking eagle. | ||
| Look at his eyes. | ||
| He looks like you're a salmon, he's gonna swoop down and scoop you out of a fucking river. | ||
| He should be in the dictionary as American. | ||
| Just a picture of fucking Dave Cooper. | ||
| He's fucking awesome. | ||
| America. | ||
| That guy's so American. | ||
| But he would study these guys, and when they would come up with ideas, very democratic. | ||
| He wants to hear from everybody. | ||
| There's no stupid question. | ||
| Right, ego doesn't get in the way. | ||
| No! | ||
| All that matters is, I might be an idiot and wrong, all that matters is I want results. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| And when you study these highly effective groups, and they look like great basketball teams, Popovich, you love this, Popovich, I didn't know that the- That the Spurs are the most winning in the past 20 years. | ||
| The most winningest team in the past 20 years. | ||
| Winningest American team in the past 20 years. | ||
| And it's the same way. | ||
| His ability to kind of like... | ||
| He's a fucking... | ||
| He drafted Tim Duncan. | ||
| Volcanic temper. | ||
| Volcanic temper. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Who's Tim Duncan? | ||
| One of the greatest basketball players of all time. | ||
| Mr. Fundamentals. | ||
| Hall of Famer. | ||
| But as far as his team is concerned, it's not a lot of superstars. | ||
| It's also the way they structure the team, Brennan. | ||
| They've done some studies. | ||
| He has amazing players, though, no doubt. | ||
| Yeah, but he also makes amazing players in how they work together, in fundamentals, and how they work together, and how they communicate. | ||
| That's a good question, too. | ||
| What makes a great team? | ||
| Is a great team just having killer individual players, or is it having really good individual players in a killer environment and they all grow and get better together? | ||
| They've done studies on that. | ||
| You've got to think that a guy who's in the NFL, say, for his first year, as long as he doesn't get injured, if he keeps playing and he keeps hustling and keeps learning, he's going to be better in two years, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he doesn't get injured. | ||
| NBA's probably better because you don't get injured as much. | ||
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| But you've got to think that these players are going to get better at basketball, better at competing under pressure, and get better at playing together. | ||
| They're all going to get better. | ||
| These guys were talking about this before the podcast. | ||
| The best team in the world, the Golden State Warriors, they call them a super team, but they were drafted. | ||
| They added Kevin Durant, which makes him even better, who's one of the best players in the league, top three. | ||
| But before that, they were all drafted and came up together. | ||
| So they play as a team. | ||
| Now they're unstoppable. | ||
| Instead of like a Cleveland or a Miami, you know, we just put all these superstars together, Houston or OKC, the Golden State Warriors were draft and they came up as a team. | ||
| Now they're a super team. | ||
| But even like teams, I don't know a whole lot about teams, but teams that grow up, that get put together, they depend upon some sense of community. | ||
| And when that community falls apart, like remember when Shaq and Kobe were beefing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a real problem. | ||
| It was a real problem because they were playing on the same team and Shaq was doing raps about Kobe. | ||
| It was a fucking real problem. | ||
| And that kills things because the minute somebody has dominion just on who they are over the group, that becomes a problem because everybody has to share ideas. | ||
| This structural engineer, you heard me talking about this structural engineer and this architect, he did this amazing study where he took CEOs, lawyers, Business students and kindergartners. | ||
| And he said, okay, here's the task. | ||
| 26 pieces of uncooked spaghetti, a yard of tape, a yard of string, and a marshmallow. | ||
| Might be one last thing, I can't remember. | ||
| Whoever makes the tallest structure is the one that wins. | ||
| CEOs, lawyers, Kindergarteners. | ||
| Kindergarteners figured it out. | ||
| Because of the way they approached the problem. | ||
| Nobody had invisible ideas of authority. | ||
| Nobody had sort of, this guy might know more than me, I'm not going to say my thing. | ||
| They were like, no, yes, we're all fucking, I'm coming up with my idea. | ||
| And they were like, no, let me do this. | ||
| And they would just fight over the idea. | ||
| But it was the best idea. | ||
| Who was listening to the kindergartner? | ||
| The best idea would win. | ||
| They'd be like, shut up, kid, you're five. | ||
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Shut your ass up. | |
| No, they were all together. | ||
| It was groups of four. | ||
| So there are four kindergartners. | ||
| But the kindergartners, the four of them figured it out? | ||
| Yeah, they built a 26-inch structure. | ||
| And the second one was the CEOs. | ||
| They built a 22-inch structure. | ||
| Well, CEOs are thinking about cocaine and pussy. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| And how their stocks are doing. | ||
| They're too distracted. | ||
| Yeah, they probably didn't give a fuck. | ||
| It's a question of, like, what makes children learn better? | ||
| You know, I... I watch kids, obviously, I have them, and I watch them learn things. | ||
| And it's interesting how some kids learn things really quickly, and some kids don't. | ||
| And how parents just really don't have the ability to learn at the same level the kids do. | ||
| So I'm like, well, what is it? | ||
| Is it a physical limitation? | ||
| Is it a clarity thing? | ||
| Is it an ego thing? | ||
| Is it your identity that holds you back? | ||
| I think it's the amount of time and energy that you put towards something. | ||
| And whether or not you're willing to be obsessed by it, Yes and no, though, Joe. | ||
| And I think that some parents and some people that are adults just do not have the same kind of time that a nine-year-old has to think about things all day. | ||
| They don't have the same amount of things in their head. | ||
| They have too many bills and stresses and distractions and things pulling them away in different angles. | ||
| And they don't have this sense of who they are the way an adult does. | ||
| That sense of who you are could be very limiting. | ||
| You can have this decision that you have in your head. | ||
| You put brackets on yourself. | ||
| Yeah, that's a big part of it. | ||
| They've done a shitload of study on that. | ||
| There's a huge body of study on what conditions are the most effective to learn in. | ||
| I mean, they've done a lot of work on this. | ||
| And one of the main things that lends itself to learning fast and well is just the idea that you're psychologically safe. | ||
| The idea that, first of all, there's no shame in making mistakes. | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| Can't be afraid to fail. | ||
| Yeah, man, and you will fail. | ||
| But there has to be competition, too. | ||
| Like, it has to feel like shit when you do fail. | ||
| Because if it doesn't feel like shit when you fail, there's always the thing that you learn when you win. | ||
| But you learn more when you lose. | ||
| Way more. | ||
| You learn a lot more. | ||
| And I think failing and feeling like shit is important to re-energize, re-motivate, re-focus, and then to recognize this is a bad feeling. | ||
| I don't like this feeling. | ||
| I have to work harder. | ||
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Yeah, I agree. | |
| There has to be repercussions to you failing. | ||
| Otherwise you don't learn much. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| But you need somebody, if you're a young person, you need somebody to help you navigate out of that space. | ||
| Yes, for sure. | ||
| Because if you don't and you feel like shit and then you're shamed, you're told usually you're just not as good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're not going to be able to get as good. | ||
| What happens is people quit. | ||
| Some people, though. | ||
| Dude, some people. | ||
| Some people don't, and they dig their heels in, and they get stronger mentally because of that. | ||
| Depends on the person. | ||
| So you need somebody to help you realize, hey, hold on. | ||
| Learning is a bitch. | ||
| Learning is a motherfucker. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| This is part of the process. | ||
| So let me help you navigate your way out. | ||
| So the biggest thing that they always do is make you realize that mistakes are Necessary, important, and just as good at this stage. | ||
| They feel like shit. | ||
| Of course they do. | ||
| They come with all kinds of weird feelings. | ||
| Let's stay in this, stay in this, learn how to stay uncomfortable in this, and let's figure out a way to get the fuck out of this. | ||
| Right, because the real killers and the real winners, they're going to be killers and winners in any sort of scenario, but you can develop more winners if you have a better structure. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Yes. | ||
| And a better learning environment. | ||
| And then also, the community will be better. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We keep coming back to that, but I think this is goddamn gigantic. | ||
| And we're not just talking about community in the sense of people that know each other on a one-on-one, individual basis. | ||
| What you guys have done with your podcast is create a community. | ||
| I see the community interacting with itself. | ||
| I see you guys interacting with your fans. | ||
| You've made a community of fun, silly people that get together when they come to see your shows. | ||
| That's because he and I are silly. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| But this is also community. | ||
| This is even people that don't physically know each other. | ||
| It becomes a thing, you know? | ||
| And I think that that is one of the least discussed but most important parts of happiness and most important parts of developing. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's community. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's giant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| And also, like, learning... | ||
| We had a really good discussion about the podcast and it was funny how... | ||
| I'm going to piss. | ||
| We're going to come back. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| You're taking a piss break? | ||
|
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What? | |
| I fucked up. | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| Dude, I haven't eaten today. | ||
| I feel like I'm going to throw up. | ||
| I drink so much caffeine. | ||
| Last time I shit my pants really together, I don't know what's going on. | ||
| Learning is important. | ||
| Let's talk about Cyborg Holly when you get back. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| That's the first time. | ||
| Let's talk about Cyborg Holly when you get back and Brian, you take a fucking... | ||
| You take a break. | ||
| I want to talk about Cyborg Holly. | ||
| What were we talking about? | ||
| About how when we have an issue that we want to make the podcast better or whatever... | ||
| Oh, when I called you and said you suck on the podcast? | ||
| The first thing you do is take care of... | ||
| You make sure my feelings are... | ||
| You take care of my feelings. | ||
| I do the same thing with you. | ||
| We want to make sure that... | ||
| Hey, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I'm just telling you. | ||
| We got some research on the podcast. | ||
| I called Brian and said, here's where we get the most listeners. | ||
| Here's where people turn it off. | ||
| Here's where we do this. | ||
| I tell Brian this all the time. | ||
| I go... | ||
| Listen, they might turn off here, but we didn't create this thing to decide what people like and what don't like. | ||
| If you want to do fucking an hour of what you want to do, we're doing what we want to do. | ||
| And if they like it, great, but that's how this thing got to where it's at. | ||
| So we're going to do whatever you want to do. | ||
| That being said... | ||
| You got to quit doing that. | ||
| No, but that being said, you got to be responsive to the evidence. | ||
| No, I just told him, I said, if you want to do it, do it. | ||
| I'm down, but here's the feedback we're getting. | ||
| Yeah, be responsive to the evidence. | ||
| So let's do what you want to do, though, but here's the evidence. | ||
| Yeah, and so if you're not going to be responsive to the evidence, you're done. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| And just keep doing your own thing. | ||
| You'll peep when I signal at you. | ||
| You'll peep when I signal at you. | ||
| We've never had that issue where we're like, I have to do this. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Every single time, even in fights, we'll get a fucking text. | ||
| Amen, sorry. | ||
| A little out of line there. | ||
| All that matters is what works. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about being right. | ||
| I want to learn. | ||
| I'm your sensei, though. | ||
| We've established that. | ||
| And now that we're on Rogan... | ||
| Look at me right now. | ||
| Not Rogan's gone. | ||
| Call me Road Dogg. | ||
| I'm gonna kick you in the nuts. | ||
| You're not a fucking Road Dogg, bro. | ||
| And you call me Sensei. | ||
| No, call me Road Dogg. | ||
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If you call me Road Pup, I'm gonna fuck your nuts up. | |
| Bro, I have the flu and I'll still fight you. | ||
| Listen to me right now. | ||
| Call me Road Dogg, though. | ||
| I'm not calling you Road Dogg. | ||
| You're a Road Pup. | ||
| He's a Road Pup. | ||
| He's not a Road Dogg yet. | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| You feel uncomfortable that he sells more tickets than you? | ||
| I was gonna get to that. | ||
| I was going to get to that. | ||
| Seems weird. | ||
| Now that you ruined my Christmas with that, because he sold out the Wilbur. | ||
| Seems weird. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Why are you laughing right now? | ||
| He sold it out a month in his day. | ||
| Why are you laughing? | ||
| Seems uncomfortable. | ||
| Dude, why are you laughing? | ||
| You're not a good friend. | ||
| You've broken a wedge. | ||
| I'm a very good friend. | ||
| You put a wedge between us now. | ||
| The podcast will never be the same. | ||
| And why are you laughing? | ||
| I want you guys to think about this. | ||
| I'm a good friend. | ||
| Because I want you to think about this. | ||
| This is a real issue. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Well, this is why he wants to diminish you. | ||
| Call you road puppy. | ||
| Should be proud of you. | ||
|
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Yeah, bro. | |
| Should be proud of you. | ||
| I am! | ||
| I went to Dublin. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Australia. | ||
| Call me. | ||
| Call me road dog. | ||
| I'm not calling you that. | ||
| I'm going to fuck you up. | ||
| You haven't heard that yet. | ||
| And you call me sensei when I give you advice. | ||
| I don't like when I say, hey, try this, and you go, okay. | ||
| Makes me uncomfortable with you wanting to force that on him. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Sensei. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| No, I don't call you sensei. | ||
| You stay the fuck. | ||
| Get the fuck out of this, bro. | ||
| Listen, I've been a comedian for almost 30 years. | ||
| I think I'm allowed to talk about this. | ||
| And I also am a very good friend of Brendan Schaub's. | ||
| And I don't feel the need to diminish him. | ||
| In fact, I pump him up at every chance I can. | ||
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My man. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| Hey, why don't you guys pump him up all the time? | ||
| Why don't you move in together? | ||
| We were just having a conversation on text the other day where I was telling him how proud I was of him and about how he hustles and then he's got discipline and I think that's one of the things that holds a lot of comedians back. | ||
| They don't have the kind of discipline. | ||
| This guy's out there doing things a couple years into comedy that guys who've been doing comedy for 10-15 years can't do. | ||
| Well, let's just keep this humorous for a sec. | ||
| I'm trying to mess with him. | ||
| I'm a road dog, though. | ||
| You call me a road dog, alright, P? I don't want to be called a road dog, either. | ||
| So, I don't know if that's a good thing to want to be called. | ||
| What do you want to be called? | ||
| A road wolf? | ||
| Well, just a fucking comedian. | ||
| A road wolf? | ||
| I have an inner wolf. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| It's inside me. | ||
| I can't control it. | ||
| Sometimes it's a cat. | ||
| It's going to come out. | ||
| It's going to come out. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Well, I didn't call myself road anything, but then you and Delia called me a road pup, and I had problems with it. | ||
| Oh, Delia's another one trying to diminish you, bro. | ||
| Because you're both tall and handsome, but you could kill him with your hands, and that makes him uncomfortable. | ||
| He's so much funnier, though, so he wins. | ||
| For now, he's funnier. | ||
| For now. | ||
| I do look at Sha... | ||
| Once a day. | ||
| And it does cross my mind. | ||
| I'm always like, he could stifle my life with his hands. | ||
| Yeah, but that part is a given. | ||
| But you should be in admiration of what he's doing with stand-up. | ||
| He's hustling. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Who's his biggest supporter? | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| You're not his biggest supporter. | ||
| I might be. | ||
| I am. | ||
| But I'm 100% positive. | ||
| Hold on, motherfucker! | ||
| I'm 100% positive. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| I'm 100% positive. | ||
| You're calling him Roadpup. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's a Roadpup. | ||
| Roadpup. | ||
| Who's your biggest Roadpup? | ||
| Who's your bigot? | ||
| This is like my mom and dad fighting. | ||
| I'm going to go in my room. | ||
| You're a fucking coward right now. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| Do you ever open up for Brendan anywhere? | ||
| Never. | ||
| I might be opening up for him in the future. | ||
| I got a gig he and I are doing. | ||
| You opened for me too, actually. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I opened up for you when you did your stand-up special. | ||
|
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Yeah, I appreciate that. | |
| It's fun that we can get Roman to open for us. | ||
| I might be opening up for Brendan on the sneak tip somewhere. | ||
| We can get one of the biggest fucking comics to open for us. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| I'm fortunate, man. | ||
| Rogan would actually do that for us. | ||
| Yeah, when I opened up for you, it was the first time it opened for anybody in like 20 years. | ||
| I love you for that. | ||
| It's the first time I ever went on stage without anybody going on before me. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| That's a hard gig. | ||
| The opening spot is a little more difficult. | ||
| You've got to juice the audience up. | ||
| There's an art form to smoothing them into the show. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| I just learned that, so I bring someone on the road. | ||
| My agent was like, hold on, you're just going out there cold? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I just do my thing. | ||
| He's like, no, no, no, no, what the fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you can do it. | ||
| Some guys, like Bill Cosby, to the end, always just went on stage. | ||
|
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Oh, really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He didn't have an opening act. | ||
| Bill Cosby would go on stage for like two fucking hours. | ||
| He was 100,000 years old. | ||
| He would go on stage for two hours with one eyeball and a Hello Friends shirt with a backlog of rape in his head. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And somehow or another fought through that and delivered this family-friendly humor to all these people. | ||
|
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Legend. | |
| One of the greatest comics of all, like the most prolific. | ||
| And it goes to your point that you can be more than one thing. | ||
| You can be evil and good. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| I mean, he was a great comic. | ||
| That's a classic example. | ||
| I never even thought about that. | ||
|
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Damn. | |
| Fuck. | ||
| Dude, and no opening act. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Hello, friend. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| He would go on stage like that just with two hours. | ||
| Who knows how many rapes in his memory banks, just crushing his self-esteem and thought process and objectivity. | ||
| Had he been accused when he was doing stand-up at this point? | ||
| Oh, yeah, he was the crazy guy there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| He'd been accused. | ||
| He's blind in one eye and losing his vision in the second eye. | ||
| How old is he now? | ||
| He's very old. | ||
| Did he die? | ||
| No, he's still alive. | ||
| He went through the trial. | ||
| He got through one trial, mistrial, and then they're retrying him again. | ||
| I want to say it's coming up soon. | ||
| That stress usually kills those guys by the end. | ||
| Like Joe Paterno. | ||
| That'll break you in. | ||
|
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That'll break you in. | |
| Oh my god, man. | ||
| Do you imagine? | ||
| A body of work, though, and then just... | ||
|
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Doesn't matter. | |
| But see, what is the human being, right? | ||
| What is the human being capable of? | ||
| And the lowest thing you could do to someone besides murder them is rape them. | ||
| And to drug all these women that you took in, they were like confiding in you because you're this great master of show business. | ||
| You're Mr. Huxtable. | ||
| You would never believe it. | ||
| You would never. | ||
| If somebody told you, you'd be like, shut up. | ||
| No way, man. | ||
| Like, the Earth is flat before a Bill Cosby raped that many women. | ||
|
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It's crazy, man. | |
| But don't you think this is a part of what we were talking about earlier is that the more information that gets out, the more you understand, like, the Harvey Weinsteins or the Bill Cosbys or the evil people of the world that have gotten away with it for so long because of power. | ||
| But the more this stuff comes out, the more we'll have... | ||
| We have a more nuanced understanding of what a human being is. | ||
| You know, like, Neil Brennan was talking on... | ||
| We were talking on the podcast. | ||
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I love that guy. | |
| We were talking about Louis C.K. I love him, too. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| And we were talking about, like, do you think that it's possible to be a really great comic and not be fucked up in some way? | ||
| And I was like, no. | ||
| Never met one. | ||
| Never met one. | ||
| It might be possible. | ||
| I've never seen it. | ||
| I think there's something about wanting to crush on stage and figuring out, like, how to do it and having those thoughts inside you that people find so humorous. | ||
| Those crazy impulsive thoughts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And those deeply disturbing thoughts sometimes where you're just scratching the base layers of your psychology and looking to see what makes it bleed. | ||
| It's hard to find that place when you're a regular person with regular sensibilities and you fit into this normal pattern. | ||
| I mean, you might every now and then get a really funny guy who comes out of that, but most of them, when you get to know them, you find some dark shit. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Or just dysfunctional shit or just unorthodox shit. | ||
| Trying to fill some hole. | ||
| Just a different way of looking at that. | ||
| Always on the outside. | ||
| Outsiders. | ||
| Outsiders. | ||
| And fighters as well. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| I don't know any fighters that somewhere in the back of their head, do they not have this one area like, oh, you got this spot. | ||
| Most people don't have that spot. | ||
| It's like this one area of darkness. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| How many human beings do you think could get to the psychological state that Matt Brown gets into in full combat? | ||
| I mean, how many people have that level of violence in their head in the face of, like, real world class fighters? | ||
| The one thing that I love about Matt Brown is every Matt Brown fight was a motherfucking Matt Brown fight. | ||
| And he knew it. | ||
| Like, you'd see him go in the cage like, well, I'm a clock in for... | ||
| Chaos. | ||
| You see how he got into the cage during his last fight with Diego Sanchez? | ||
| He roars. | ||
| They open up the cage door and he just fucking throws his arm back. | ||
| It's like, ROAR! And it's real. | ||
| It's not an act. | ||
| This guy's done it at that level. | ||
| And he's lost and he's won. | ||
| He's had ups and downs. | ||
| Never a physically gifted guy. | ||
| Not like some insanely fast... | ||
| Like crazy athletics. | ||
| Just grit. | ||
| Just grit. | ||
| Fucking animal. | ||
| Rawhide and steel cable. | ||
| He's got a place that Bob, who works in accounting, his wife is fucking her personal trainer and his kids call him a piece of shit and he takes a Xanax every night. | ||
| Rob doesn't have that place in his brain. | ||
| Hey, Jamie, bring up Salma Hayek. | ||
| He was my monster, too. | ||
| Oh, I saw that. | ||
| It was horrible. | ||
| And she said something about Harvey Weinstein that's to your point. | ||
| What did she say? | ||
| So she said, I'll read it for you. | ||
| It's a one sentence, but it says everything. | ||
| It's the first sentence. | ||
| Well, before we do that, I want to see Matt Brown roar. | ||
| You can't supersede my request. | ||
| Oh, let's see that, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm going to piggyback on it. | ||
| I didn't have it right away. | ||
| I was trying to find it. | ||
| We need another guy! | ||
| He retired though, huh? | ||
| Yeah, he knows a no though. | ||
| I talked to him in Boston. | ||
| He came to my show in Boston and we actually talked on the phone, but he was saying, I don't know man. | ||
| He goes, I was thinking of retiring, but now I'm not sure. | ||
| Then he gets that one win. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| If you're thinking about it, do it brother. | ||
| And he smashed Diego Sanchez with the craziest elbow. | ||
| Oh my god, that was so crazy. | ||
| Here's a thought on that elbow. | ||
| This has been something that's been going on for a while. | ||
| When is it okay and when is it not okay to hit the back of the head where it counts as a KO? If you do it on the ground, you can get severely disqualified. | ||
| DQ'd or points taken away, depending on how much damage you do to a person. | ||
| But if you do it, stand it up, whether it's with a head kick, which a lot of times hits the back of the neck, If it's in movement, right? | ||
| If it's in the transition and you hit the elbow, you're good. | ||
| Which is what you did. | ||
| But on the ground, it's not. | ||
| Here's my point. | ||
| If someone's squirming on the ground and you throw an elbow and you hit him in the back of the head, a lot of times they can take points away. | ||
| But isn't there a big difference between doing something on purpose and doing something in the heat of the chaos? | ||
| Why is it okay standing up? | ||
| And I think it is okay. | ||
| I think Matt Brown's KO of Diego Sanchez is totally clean. | ||
| But I think there's a reality to that back-of-the-head shot that happens with neck kicks all the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| There's a reality to the effectiveness of that technique that we accept standing up, but on the ground, we limit that. | ||
| I think they're thinking on the ground you have more control of the opponent, right? | ||
| I don't think that's real. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I don't think that's real. | ||
| I think guys are moving, they're bucking and squirming, and you're throwing shit, and it takes time. | ||
| There's movement here. | ||
| While you're throwing, it's very rare that someone's completely stationary. | ||
| While you're throwing, they're also adjusting, they're going for You're underhooks, you're shrimping, you're bucking, you're dropping down. | ||
| There's a lot of shit happening, man. | ||
| And the idea that somehow or another you should be able to control it on the ground when you're actually in physical contact with someone, right? | ||
| You actually physically have their body that you're trying to manipulate and control while they're bucking around. | ||
| Versus they don't have any control of your body. | ||
| You're standing up, you're away from them, and any shot that you land that's on the back of the head somehow or another is okay. | ||
| It just shows you we have a little more ways to go with the evolution of fighting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You look at some of the rules and I'm like, how the fuck? | ||
| How do we still have these problems? | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| I'm like, God damn it. | ||
| Could you wear half a helmet? | ||
| Could you wear something on the back of your head like a half helmet? | ||
| They used to wear those in Taekwondo tournaments. | ||
| They used to give people these... | ||
| It wouldn't help them. | ||
| There's a transition in Taekwondo rules where they started getting ready for the Olympics. | ||
| Where they started making people wear actual helmets. | ||
| You wore these big foam things. | ||
| But before that, you'd have to wear these things on the back of your head. | ||
| There's a video of me wearing one. | ||
| Did you feel like an asshole? | ||
| I always liked it better because it didn't fuck with your peripheral vision. | ||
| The idea is you get KO'd because we were fighting on basketball courts. | ||
| And when guys got KO'd, you want to see a video of me fighting on a basketball court? | ||
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You did. | |
| Fuck yeah, I do. | ||
| You fought on what? | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| This is me. | ||
| Where were you at? | ||
| You didn't fight on mats. | ||
| I'm the guy with the back to us. | ||
| But if you look at my head, that thing in the back of my head is a red foam thing. | ||
| It's, you know, shitty old VHS. That's a yarmulke, bro. | ||
| A rubber band that goes across my forehead and this pad is just to keep my head. | ||
| You just fucked that kid up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How old are you there? | ||
| I was 19. That was at the US Cup in Connecticut. | ||
| So you see Connecticut on the floor. | ||
| Why'd you walk off like you're badass? | ||
| Because he was dead. | ||
| And it was a wrap. | ||
| And I wanted all the other guys to be scared. | ||
| That was a body shot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wanted all the other guys to be scared because I was terrified. | ||
| Yeah, that dude's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good background. | ||
| My move is always to pretend like I didn't give a fuck. | ||
| I'd KO guys and walk away like it was nothing. | ||
| I'd never celebrate. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Like it was just another day in the office? | ||
| Those are the guys that scare the shit out of me. | ||
| So I just tried to be like one of the guys that scare the shit out of me. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| Yeah, and then it was what I do. | ||
| But I was like, this is weird. | ||
| I'm like a fraud, but I'm not. | ||
| I think most guys are like that. | ||
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Yeah, I'm sure. | |
| Most fighters are like that. | ||
| Yeah, but those head things were standard, and then they changed it to padded floor. | ||
| They changed the floor. | ||
| They used to let you fight. | ||
| I fought on a hockey rink. | ||
| I fought on the base. | ||
| K-State games on concrete. | ||
| There was a plastic, a thin plastic sheet that was over concrete. | ||
| And when the dude's head hit the mat, it cut him open. | ||
| Because I KO'd him. | ||
| And when I hit him with a wheel kick, his head bounced off the ground and his eyebrow opened up from contacting the concrete. | ||
| It was so disturbing. | ||
| I was like, that easily could have been me. | ||
| I easily could have got head kicked and my head bounces off the fucking concrete. | ||
| Well, that was like When you go to practice and you're going to spar, somebody was going to get kicked in the head if they weren't careful and somebody would do the chicken. | ||
| Like I said, there would always be a guy once a month who would get hit. | ||
| Would you guys wear that headgear? | ||
| No. | ||
| The headgear helps. | ||
| It definitely helps. | ||
| It'll protect your head a little bit. | ||
| It's definitely better than nothing, but getting kicked in the head is... | ||
| Those power yamakas are pretty sweet, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's Matt Brown. | ||
| Here's Matt Brown when he steps in to fight Diego Sanchez. | ||
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He roars. | |
| Isn't he the head coach now there in Denver? | ||
| Well, he's definitely one of the top coaches over there, and didn't they just open up a place here? | ||
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Yeah, did they? | |
| Somewhere around Muscle Farm? | ||
| I think they opened up a place in Burbank. | ||
| He's such a fucking animal. | ||
| This is one of my all-time favorite. | ||
| He just said, go ahead, check my dick. | ||
| He's like, does he have a cup on? | ||
| He goes, yep. | ||
| He taps his own dick. | ||
| They gotta check his fingernails. | ||
| Now watch this. | ||
| Steps up to the cage, thinks it's his last fight ever, walks in. | ||
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Ha ha ha ha! | |
| God, Doug. | ||
| That fucking roar is real, man. | ||
| Just such a warrior, man. | ||
| That roar is real. | ||
| Such a warrior. | ||
| So for a guy like that... | ||
| He called me more, right? | ||
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Because he died. | |
| He's got those awesome dead eyes. | ||
| Yeah, he died for a bit. | ||
| Overdose, right? | ||
| During a drug overdose. | ||
| Yeah, and they brought him back. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it's like, for a guy like that, that style is just so... | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| It's such a hard style. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| That's not like a Mighty Mouse guy. | ||
| That's not a, you know... | ||
| Just a guy who just grinds you up. | ||
| Just very skillful. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| Very skillful, great timing. | ||
| What's his thing? | ||
| Was his Muay Thai? | ||
| What was everything? | ||
| His clinch was very good. | ||
| His Muay Thai is very good, but his Jiu Jitsu is very good too. | ||
| His Jiu Jitsu is super underrated. | ||
| His toughness was world class. | ||
| His striking and his ground, you wouldn't say it was world class. | ||
| I just feel like fighting... | ||
| That's no disrespect. | ||
| I'm saying his ground game wasn't like a Verdum. | ||
| His striking wasn't like a Wonderboy. | ||
| He was good at everything. | ||
| He wasn't a specialist, besides in toughness. | ||
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I'm not throwing shade at Matt Brown. | |
| I love Matt Brown. | ||
| Brendan, do you think that if fighting was as profitable, say, as baseball, basketball, football, we'd obviously have very different athletes in the game. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's a tougher road. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder if... | ||
| If athleticism plays as big a part in fighting, in the umbrella of fighting, as it does in, say, basketball or football, so if you're either making the NFL or the NBA, you know, there's a lot to the game, of course, but I feel like athleticism plays a bigger factor. | ||
| Like, some guys can be not as athletic in a lot of ways, like George St. Pierre. | ||
| And still be good in fighting? | ||
| And still... | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Would you say not athletic? | ||
| George is a bad example. | ||
| No, he's a great athlete, but not like... | ||
| No, George is a bad example. | ||
| You want to say a guy like... | ||
| Yeah, he's a bad example, actually. | ||
| But Nick Diaz. | ||
| Nick Diaz. | ||
| That's a good example. | ||
| So Nick Diaz, who was just amazing. | ||
| Like, he's never been knocked out. | ||
| Josh Thompson knocked him out. | ||
| Yeah, he had kicked him, stopped him. | ||
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What? | |
| When? | ||
| It was before the Rafael Dos Anjos fight. | ||
| He lost to Dos Anjos after that, and then after that, he beat Michael Johnson, and then after that, he beat Conor. | ||
| There's the X factor with fighting, where guys who are not as fast, not as strong, they can't jump aside, not as all that other stuff, somehow are able to Close that distance. | ||
| Let me rephrase that. | ||
| Nate got stopped by Josh Thompson. | ||
| Never won unconscious. | ||
| He got TKO'd. | ||
| I'm talking about Nick, not Nate. | ||
| Nick. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Nick's never been... | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Nick got stopped early on in his career by that guy who did tough, who wound up Jeremy... | ||
| Jeremy... | ||
| No, Jeremy Jones? | ||
| Is that his name? | ||
| He was a young guy that was really talented, and Nick and him both fought when they were both like 18 or 19. And Nick got stopped by him. | ||
| He TKO'd him. | ||
| Never since. | ||
| TKO'd him. | ||
| No, no, never since. | ||
| And he's fought the best of the best. | ||
| But that guy was super talented. | ||
| That guy was super talented, but then went to jail. | ||
| Went to jail for some shit. | ||
| To your point, B, I think fighting requires a different skill set. | ||
| But when you get a guy who has that warrior spirit who's athletic, then you have problems like a Francis Ngannou. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Or like a Mighty Mouse. | ||
| Calvin Gaslam. | ||
| Or Conor McGregor. | ||
| You get these guys who could probably play other sports. | ||
| You put Conor McGregor in there as an athlete in the game? | ||
| Oh my god, yes. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| His ability to perform under pressure is undeniable, and that is a lot of what athleticism is. | ||
| His movement's fantastic, but a lot of what athleticism is is effective use of that body. | ||
| Like, you can't deny that a guy who is a world-class fighter is also a great athlete. | ||
| There's just no room for that anymore. | ||
| Everybody who's at the top of the food chain is a great athlete. | ||
| Obviously, Francis is an outlier, because he's such an obviously amazing athlete. | ||
| I think Conor's an outlier too, the way he can go backwards in his reaction time. | ||
| Tyron Woodley's a fucking outlier. | ||
| Look at his athletic body. | ||
| Think about also Woodley's ability to hurt Wonderboy in those two fights that he had. | ||
| Put Wonderboy in more trouble than he's ever been that we've seen him inside, except for Matt Brown, who stopped him. | ||
| Did he stop him or beat him on decision? | ||
| I think he beat him on decision, but beat the shit out of him for three rounds. | ||
| But look at a guy like Darren Till. | ||
| Look how big an athletic Darren Till is. | ||
| He's a big boy, man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of guys that are just world-class guys. | ||
| See, but... | ||
| Different weight classes. | ||
| Different weight classes, brother. | ||
| I know that, but they make it easier to go up to 180. Fuck, man. | ||
| Luke's so big. | ||
| Luke can fight at 205 if he wanted to. | ||
| But I think the day and age, you're always going to have those guys, and this isn't a knock, but those Leonard Garcias, those Matt Browns, you're going to have those guys, but the evolution of the UFC and mixed martial arts, those guys are going to slowly phase away. | ||
| You can get better athletes. | ||
| And just being tough isn't going to get you in the top 10 anymore. | ||
| I think you're gonna get guys who, they have the fighter's mentality, but they're the super athletes, and that's the evolution of the sport. | ||
| Or you get them both. | ||
| Because you get like a Roy McDonald. | ||
| Really good athlete, a fucking monster at everything, and he can do both. | ||
| What do you think of that Lima fight? | ||
| That's coming up. | ||
| It's a great fight. | ||
| 20th. | ||
| It's a great fight. | ||
| We're gonna be in Boston. | ||
| That's the same night as the Ngannou fight. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| The Ngannou-Stipe fight. | ||
| They're going head-to-head, right? | ||
| Yeah, head-to-head. | ||
| I think Chael and Rampage is on that, too. | ||
| Get your DVRs ready, folks. | ||
| Can we talk a little bit about... | ||
| Home Cyborg. | ||
| Home Cyborg. | ||
| Battle of the greatest woman fighter of all time, I think. | ||
| Whoever wins that. | ||
| But is that the case, right? | ||
| Because Misha beat Cyborg, or Misha beat Holly, never fought Cyborg, but the way she beat Holly was so fucking spectacular. | ||
| How do you not always rank Misha above Holly? | ||
| I know Misha retired, and Holly is still super active, and likely should have been a 145-pound champion, especially if you take away the deductions that... | ||
| She should have gotten for two late shots. | ||
| And then even on top of that, you still see Holly dropped her with a head kick and then dropped her with a left hand as well. | ||
| Holly was also beating Misha in that fight before Misha came back. | ||
| She was, but there was two rounds where she got dominated. | ||
| She got taken down one round and mounted and couldn't do shit about it. | ||
| And then the last 15 seconds of the fight, Misha pulls out the ultimate, takes her down, takes her back, and then chokes her to sleep. | ||
| No, Misha's one of the best for sure. | ||
| But if we're going to play that game, then Holly... | ||
| Merck, the girl who Misha could never even hold a candle to in Ronda Rousey. | ||
| That's true, but don't you think that Misha kept getting better? | ||
| I think the Misha that fought against Holly Holm was very much an improved version of the Misha that fought against Ronda. | ||
| But that Misha, her whole thing is grappling. | ||
| So try implementing that game plan against Ronda Grappling. | ||
| Enjoy that. | ||
| Yeah, but I think Misha got better with her stand-up. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why she was allowed. | ||
| She got better than she did in the early Ronda fights. | ||
| So did Ronda, though. | ||
| She did. | ||
| So did Ronda. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| She might take a step back. | ||
| But here's my problem. | ||
| You gotta look at Amanda Nunes. | ||
| Amanda Nunes beat the shit out of the both of them. | ||
| And the way she did it was like, yikes! | ||
| The way she throws, like those long of bang, bang! | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| She's yikes. | ||
| Amanda Nunes is yikes. | ||
| Amanda's yikes, and I wish she got more promotional push. | ||
| She's throwing hammers at you. | ||
| If Holly Holm were able to pull off this upset, she's number one for me. | ||
| Beating Ronda in her prime, beating Cyborg in her prime. | ||
| Cyborg is... | ||
| Fucking scary, man. | ||
| She beelines. | ||
| Cyborg's always beelined everybody. | ||
| She just comes straight in and puts so much pressure on you. | ||
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She's so strong. | |
| Her last fight, Tanya Evans, she went, you know what? | ||
| I'm not just going to murder this girl. | ||
| Watch, I'm going to stick behind a jab and I'm going to figure some things out. | ||
| I'm going to put on a show. | ||
| But if she does that with Holly, Holly has a way better chance. | ||
| Because if she does that with Holly where she says, I think she's been training. | ||
| I think it's almost like she's been training with somebody different. | ||
| She said, take your time. | ||
| Step back. | ||
| The best boxing coach in the world. | ||
| That actually favors Holly, I think, than her old style, which is to come in close distance. | ||
| No, that favorites Holly. | ||
| If she comes at Holly like a bull, like Ronda did, you get kicked in the face. | ||
| That's different though, isn't it? | ||
| With Cyborg, isn't she different? | ||
| No, she's a banshee. | ||
| She's so strong. | ||
| If she's calculated, here's the other X factor. | ||
| If Cyborg goes, Holly kind of sucks on the ground. | ||
| I'm a black belt on the ground. | ||
| I also can grapple like a motherfucker. | ||
| I'm not just going to stand here and strike you. | ||
| I'm going to take you down. | ||
| And she's a naturally larger woman. | ||
| She's way bigger. | ||
| So if she gets against the king, Tito Ortiz, if she was in a triangle and picked Tito Ortiz up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is she a black belt now? | ||
| Is she a black belt? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And she's competed as a brown belt. | ||
| I know she did very well in some high-level competition. | ||
| She's a big woman. | ||
| Her and Gabby Garcia go at it grappling. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| That's her main training partner. | ||
| If she decides to go over the Misha Tate footage and see how easy Misha choked Holly on. | ||
| She can pull that card out. | ||
| That's in her back pocket. | ||
| She goes, alright, on the feet, it's getting a little tricky. | ||
| I'm going to grapple. | ||
| She has a hard time making 45, right? | ||
| Yes, she does. | ||
| She would be better off if there was a 155-pound woman's weight class. | ||
| She didn't have to cut so much weight. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, she's leaned out. | ||
| She looks leaner now than she did when she was fighting in Strikeforce. | ||
| You know, I think when she fought, like, Gina Carano, she was fucking gigantic. | ||
| She's much smaller now. | ||
| It's such a good fight, though, man, for Holly and her. | ||
| But she's still a destroyer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's like... | ||
| It's been a long time coming for her, man. | ||
| I feel like she's finally got to it where she deserves this. | ||
| Well, she definitely deserves this big, high-profile fight, but so does Holly. | ||
| You know, they both do. | ||
| It's a really interesting fight because, like... | ||
| Clearly, Holly's dangerous, right? | ||
| She head-kicks Ronda, knocks her out. | ||
| She head-kicks Betch Cohea, knocks her out. | ||
| She head-kicked Jermaine Durandamy, who's a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion, head-kicks her, drops her, and a lot of people thought she should have got that decision. | ||
| At the very least, it was super fucking close, and Jermaine's one of the best strikers in the world. | ||
| She's a nasty striker. | ||
| So then if Holly and Cyborg just strike, Who gets the edge? | ||
| Well, see, here's the thing. | ||
| You can't sleep on Holly. | ||
| She's probably got a disadvantage when it comes to punching power, and probably a significant one. | ||
| Not probably, yeah. | ||
| She definitely does. | ||
| We won't really know, because Holly has dropped people, and she does have sharp punches, and she's an 18-time world women boxing champion. | ||
| There's a lot of craziness to what Holly was able to do as a striker with her hands. | ||
| Holly's more decorated as far as straight striking. | ||
| But Cyborg hits... | ||
| She hits so fucking hard, and she's so aggressive. | ||
| Did you see Cyborg going against the gold medalist in the number one female boxer in the world? | ||
| I think Clarissa Shields, is that her name? | ||
| Yes, that is her name, yeah. | ||
| You sent me that footage. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Bang! | ||
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Bang! | |
| I mean, Clarissa Shields is no joke. | ||
| No, she's the best boxer in the world. | ||
| Jamie, bring that up. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun to watch, too, because you realize, okay, well, she can hang in the pocket. | ||
| She takes a tremendous shot. | ||
| If you really want to be impressed by Cyborg, I say you look at her one Muay Thai loss to Jorena Barge. | ||
| I didn't see it. | ||
| He's in Bellator now. | ||
| Yeah, she's in Bellator kickboxing now. | ||
| Jorena Barge is a monster. | ||
| She's this really tall woman from Holland who's got outstanding technique. | ||
| She's impossible. | ||
| Nobody was fucking with her. | ||
| She couldn't get a fight for years. | ||
| So she's giving her some coaching here. | ||
| So Cyborg decided to fight that Muay Thai monster, and it went to a decision. | ||
| Cyborg landed some good shots. | ||
| Yeah, not only did it go to a decision, does Cyborg have new tattoos on her legs? | ||
| No, that's tape. | ||
| That's like a performance tape. | ||
| On the top? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, wow. | ||
| How weird. | ||
| It's all crisscross-y? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a shitty video, huh? | ||
| It's an awful video, by the way. | ||
| But Cyborg got dropped a bunch of times, kept getting up, you know, came after her, and was there for the fucking final bell, still swinging, trying to take her out. | ||
| That Muay Thai girl had her hands full. | ||
| It wasn't a walk in the park. | ||
| It was not a walk in the park. | ||
| And she's a specialist. | ||
| And she's so good. | ||
| She's huge. | ||
| If you watch her fight, she's so good. | ||
| So here's Cyborg sparring with... | ||
| Look how good this girl is. | ||
| But look, Cyborg, isn't that... | ||
| She's hanging in there. | ||
| Look how she goes to the body and to the head. | ||
| She is. | ||
| She's so good, man. | ||
| But these girls are going at it. | ||
| This is not like a light sparring session. | ||
| This is almost like a fight. | ||
| And she's got to be careful because Cyborg has big fucking power. | ||
| So she's treating this like this is a dangerous fight for her. | ||
| Look, she's landing these shots, but she's realizing the stuff that's coming her way, she can't take one of those on the point of the chin. | ||
| She's getting tagged! | ||
| Look at this! | ||
| Cyborg tagged her a couple times. | ||
| But she's clearly like the more polished professional boxer. | ||
| Cyborg's doing work, though. | ||
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She is. | |
| She is doing work. | ||
| You're not like that. | ||
| Look at that beautiful left hook to the body. | ||
| Ooh, that step in left hook to the body. | ||
| Oh, that's pretty. | ||
| She's so good. | ||
| I can't wait for this fight, man. | ||
| It's so important for a girl like her to get that kind of sparring in, too. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| I mean, who the fuck wants to spar with Cyborg? | ||
| No one. | ||
| That's how it came about. | ||
| Cyborg's talking about no one wants to spar with her. | ||
| So this girl's like, I'll do it. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Let her kick you. | ||
| I gotta I gotta see that Muay Thai fight. | ||
| Was it close? | ||
| It was a clear, unanimous decision, but it was dangerous at every turn. | ||
| And also that woman, that's her thing. | ||
| You have more respect for Cyborg after you watch it. | ||
| She wasn't going to Win, but she fucking did work. | ||
| She got head kicked with a stomp. | ||
| She got, like, front push kicked to the face, like, right on the chin. | ||
| Her neck snapped back. | ||
| She falls down. | ||
| She gets up. | ||
| You're still chasing after her. | ||
| She's a warrior, man. | ||
| She's a fucking warrior. | ||
| But so is Holly. | ||
| Holly just comes off, like, cleaner. | ||
| And, like, you know, she comes off, like, more polished. | ||
| And she's very pretty. | ||
| And she's very calm and very kind and nice to hear her talk. | ||
| I think where female fighting is at, it's such a high level now with these two that whoever wins this is the best of all time. | ||
| I think it's the forefront of the feminist movement. | ||
| No pressure, ladies. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| It's a very important fight for the sport, that's for sure. | ||
| Because no one really out there who, in my mind, is compelling, is willing to step in and challenge Cyborg other than Holly. | ||
| These two are going to fight like Andre Arlovsky, Frank Mayer back in the day. | ||
| Or Tim Silver and Arlovsky. | ||
| Is there anybody in Bellator who would do work in? | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Good question. | ||
| I don't think they're at the same level yet in the female division, but there's some real good talent there. | ||
| There's some good female talent in MMA, period, right now. | ||
| Rose, Jan, Namaginis, and Yoni, and Jenjek. | ||
| That rematch is going to be... | ||
| Sick. | ||
| Yeah, that's an interesting rematch. | ||
| You gonna throw up? | ||
| I'm getting close. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I didn't eat all day and I drank all this caffeine. | ||
| Are you, like, really swallowing spit and stuff? | ||
| You brought a garbage can over it. | ||
| Yeah, I know, I know. | ||
| You feel a little sick. | ||
| No, I'm not sick. | ||
| Just go throw too much caffeine. | ||
| Make yourself throw up like a chick. | ||
| I might, man. | ||
| I might purge. | ||
| Just go eat a deer stick. | ||
| Yeah, that'll help. | ||
| That doesn't help, right? | ||
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Don't do that. | |
| You want pork chops and a cigar? | ||
| I'm feeling nauseous. | ||
| Have a couple pork chops, smoke a cigar, you'll be fine. | ||
| How about sausage sub with extra mustard? | ||
| Gag! | ||
| You want to smell my breath? | ||
| This fight is important, man. | ||
| It's important for the sport, right? | ||
| It's important to figure out what style you need to beat Cyborg. | ||
| Like, Tonya Evinger just fought a wild, sort of brawling style, and had very limited success, but it was one of those things where Cyborg just keeps advancing, and in every exchange, you realize... | ||
| It's just a matter of time. | ||
| It's just so much more firepower, but Evinger... | ||
| She was trying to win that fight. | ||
| She's tough as they go. | ||
| Yeah, she was trying to win that fight. | ||
| This is a different fight because Holly is very dangerous and she has a weird style. | ||
| She'll fight karate style. | ||
| She throws sidekicks, a lot of front leg sidekicks. | ||
| She throws those oblique kicks to the inner thigh. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| Holly might be... | ||
| Is she going to go? | ||
| I'm going to go to the bathroom. | ||
| You're going to go to the bathroom. | ||
| Yeah, you finish this breakdown. | ||
| This is weird. | ||
| You've got to start eating in the morning. | ||
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I don't eat. | |
| He's trying to fast. | ||
| He's doing some fasting. | ||
| We're like married. | ||
| He's really gonna throw up. | ||
| He's gonna throw up, man. | ||
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Weird. | |
| I wanted to get that on camera. | ||
| No, that's not right, dude. | ||
| That's not right. | ||
| Did that shut? | ||
| Play it on a loop. | ||
| Play it on a loop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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People right now are like, bro, why the fuck didn't you let him puke, bro? | |
| He'll do that. | ||
| He'll just not eat. | ||
| Like, we'll do podcasts. | ||
| He's like, I haven't eaten yet. | ||
| I don't want to smell it. | ||
| I don't want him to throw up in that garbage can and eat it. | ||
| That's a tiny garbage can. | ||
| Yeah, that's not the move. | ||
| It's not even the size of his stomach. | ||
| And there's a bunch of stuff in that can, too. | ||
| It'd be all bile, too. | ||
| Yeah, bile. | ||
| No food. | ||
| You know what I ate last night, dude? | ||
| I made elk tartare. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, it's so good. | ||
| Fuck, you make a good... | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| You make a good game meat. | ||
| Yeah, I get good at it now. | ||
| I'm gonna need a little game meat. | ||
| I got a shit ton. | ||
| I need some. | ||
| Yeah, I got some here for you. | ||
| Hey, and maybe... | ||
| I mean, I love that you give me the hamburger. | ||
| Can I get some... | ||
| I gave you steaks. | ||
| I gave you a heart, dude. | ||
| That is the best part. | ||
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Yeah, it was delicious. | |
| I gave you one of the elk hearts. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I've never, ever given anyone an elk heart before. | ||
| I ate the fuck out of it. | ||
| You can have some steaks, bro. | ||
| You just can't have all of them. | ||
| Greedy bitch. | ||
| You gotta go out and kill your own food. | ||
| Yeah, but you won't invite me. | ||
| Ah, that's not the truth. | ||
| I have a 60-pound boat. | ||
| What I want to do is bring the boat here and practice. | ||
| Yeah, well, let's do that. | ||
| But you're only doing archery, right? | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| Pretty much, yeah. | ||
| So I gotta get good with archery before I can come... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boy, that's a hard one. | ||
| That's a weird learn-on-the-job one, shooting arrows at animals. | ||
| You've got to be completely obsessed with doing that. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| Honestly, the reality is, rifle is more effective. | ||
| You will shoot more things with a rifle. | ||
| You don't have to get as close. | ||
| They're not going to move while you're shooting them. | ||
| Can I bring a rifle and you bring a bow? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| If you're in an area that allows both things. | ||
| Depends on where you're going. | ||
| Yeah, see, elves, they have specific seasons where you're allowed to, most of the time during the rut, you have to use archery equipment. | ||
| In most places, some places are different. | ||
| There's like some different that let you use all weapons, and they have some special tags. | ||
| But like during the rut, when they're breeding, the idea is that it's easy to find them. | ||
| They're all howling, and they're making those elk-like whales, and they're distracted by pussy. | ||
| And to get close enough to shoot them with a bow and arrow, way more difficult. | ||
| Because you can just perch yourself on a fucking, you know, a nice tree stump and let that sight just settle perfectly on them. | ||
| If you have a rifle, just ba-doom! | ||
| And they're dead. | ||
| They're dead as soon as you pull the trigger. | ||
| Whereas with a bow and arrow, you really should be getting inside of 40 yards if you can. | ||
| It's hard, right? | ||
| It's very hard. | ||
| They can smell you. | ||
| They smell you like crazy. | ||
| They see your movement. | ||
| They're constantly tuned in and turned on. | ||
| And you have to fight off the fact that there's like... | ||
| If a bull elk, you're trying to shoot a bull elk, you might have 30 cows that are around that bull elk. | ||
| You've got to trick them, too. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Yeah, you've got 30 sets of eyes, 60 eyeballs looking your way, and they bark. | ||
| Did you throw up? | ||
| A little green under the gills, boys. | ||
| Did you really puke? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| Did you want some water or something? | ||
| No, I'm good now, man. | ||
| Damn, son. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Are you having withdrawals from the harrow? | ||
| I wish it was that. | ||
| You look pale. | ||
| I know, I do. | ||
| The harrow's a little messy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I looked in the mirror and I thought, you look like shit, man. | ||
| How much caffeine did you drink? | ||
| Well, I had a latte with an extra shot on the way here. | ||
| I had three cups this morning. | ||
| But then I drank this thing. | ||
| You never stopped drinking coffee. | ||
| You drank the caveman and then you drank that other coffee that we made. | ||
| And then I drank the French press. | ||
| And I haven't eaten today because I fast in the morning. | ||
| That's a lot of caffeine. | ||
| Did you go crazy for Christmas? | ||
| No. | ||
| I actually didn't cheat on Christmas. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| Are you saying that he's got a weight issue? | ||
| He tends to binge. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| I've been super strict. | ||
| I haven't cheated since Thanksgiving. | ||
| You secretly sometimes will go crazy on... | ||
| Not when I'm strict like this. | ||
| Keto kid is back, bitch. | ||
| Wow, keto kid is back. | ||
| I'm back. | ||
| I didn't mean to call you a bitch. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| How was the pescatarian? | ||
| You tried pescatarian for a while. | ||
| How'd that go? | ||
| Nah, keto's the only thing that works for me. | ||
| It's not for everyone, but keto works for me. | ||
| But does it work for you in terms of the way you feel? | ||
| Yeah, the way I feel. | ||
| The way I feel, it's easier to stick to, but the way I feel when I'm on it, I don't want to cheat. | ||
| I don't want carbs. | ||
| I don't want that food anymore, so I'm good. | ||
| I go between keto and low carb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then occasionally I'll fuck off and have like a pastrami sub. | ||
| I call that keto-ish. | ||
| I do a thing where I go through Whole Foods and Erewhon and I'll look at people and I try to spot the vegans. | ||
| This is so mean. | ||
| Get those day-live glasses. | ||
| Boy, when I see somebody super pale and drawn out, and they just look sunken in, I'll look in their cart, and it's like, they've got oats and some seaweed, and it's just all vegan stuff. | ||
| I'm always like, you could use a little protein. | ||
| Well, really, it's just some people are just doing it wrong. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| You can do it right, but it's just like keto. | ||
| It requires a lot of thinking and planning. | ||
| I've seen people argue it online, so stupid. | ||
| Nobody ever gets to ketosis bullshit. | ||
| Of course they do, stupid. | ||
| Of course they do. | ||
| It's measurable. | ||
| People do it and they find benefit to it. | ||
| Some people don't find benefit to it, though. | ||
| But it's important to point out that it's not hard to get. | ||
| You just have to do what's required. | ||
| It can be done. | ||
| It's not difficult to get to. | ||
| And the idea that nobody gets there is just so wrong. | ||
| People get there all the time. | ||
| It's a matter of whether or not getting there will be good for you. | ||
| I'll have people email me on social media like, dude, keto's stupid, man. | ||
| You can't do that for a long time. | ||
| It's not for me. | ||
| I'm like, it worked for me, man. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I'm not saying it for everyone. | ||
| Don D'Agostino's been on it forever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's been on it forever, but Rhonda Patrick was on the other day, and she was pointing out how with some people, it's not the right diet for your body. | ||
| I don't think it works for me. | ||
| It probably doesn't. | ||
| I read that book, The Plant Paradox, and I've told this before, but I stopped eating bread and those whole wheat things and all the things he talks about. | ||
| He's more of a plant-based guy, but... | ||
| It did cure my plaque psoriasis up until yesterday because I started eating bread again. | ||
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| It cured my plaque psoriasis. | ||
| It fucking got rid of it. | ||
| I'm not saying it's the end be all, but it works for me, man. | ||
| Depending on what you eat. | ||
| I don't give a fuck what diet you do. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| Never works. | ||
| Yeah, I'm eating real low carb or keto. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
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Me too. | |
| It's either I'm keto or every now and then I'll definitely, I'll feel it when I get off of it. | ||
| What do you mean low carb? | ||
| You eat a lot of vegetables, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| A lot of vegetables, but low carb in terms of no refined bullshit. | ||
| No flour. | ||
| And when I get into those states, I know when I have too much fruit because then I'll start craving it. | ||
| No rice. | ||
| I'll start like craving carbs. | ||
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Really? | |
| The sugar. | ||
| I can tell. | ||
| I mean, I have tested myself a few times, but it's annoying to stick that fucking thing in your hand and extract the blood and put it on the tab. | ||
| But you can feel when you're in that state of ketosis. | ||
| Like, I'll monitor my diet real steady for five, six days, and sometimes there'll be like a little dip, because I've done it so many times it's not as noticeable, there'll be a little dip in your energy during your workouts. | ||
| But then when I come on the other side of it, then as soon as I feel like no hunger pangs, Like, I'm good. | ||
| And then I went, oh, okay, I'm in. | ||
| Can you eat sweet potatoes? | ||
| You can, but you can't eat too much. | ||
| Like, sweet potato has a lot of fiber in it. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why it's one of the better potatoes for you to eat. | ||
| It's got a lot of vitamins in it. | ||
| Yams and sweet potatoes are fantastic for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's like, how much are you taking in? | ||
| How much actual sugar does your body have to process? | ||
| If it's just a small portion of it, I'm sure it's fine if your overall meals are filled with really healthy food, avocados, healthy fats, good solid protein with no bullshit in it, and no wheat. | ||
| Just keep the fuck away from wheat. | ||
| Keep the fuck away from pasta. | ||
| Or don't. | ||
| Every now and then, have it. | ||
| But if you could just get most of your diet free of that shit, you'll just feel better. | ||
| You just feel better. | ||
| I do. | ||
| If you ate too many mashed potatoes or sweet potatoes and got out of ketosis, as long as you're not eating any bullshit, I don't even think that's bad. | ||
| I mean, maybe your body will have more of an insulin response, but I mean, you're having all that fiber with your sugar. | ||
| You know, if you're eating a yam or a mashed potato or a sweet potato, it's not like eating candy. | ||
| A lot of it depends on your activity level, your age, all that shit, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| A lot of factors. | ||
| That's a big one, is post-workout. | ||
| Like, how many people work out like you did when you were fighting? | ||
| How many fucking human beings know what it's like to put in those hard two-a-days and just be fried four weeks into camp, realize you got two to go? | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| The worst. | ||
| Speak to it, man. | ||
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Speak to it. | |
| Speak to it. | ||
| You're nauseous? | ||
| Speak to it. | ||
| My coach, Tony Jeffries, he gets it. | ||
| He was an Olympic boxer and boxing professional. | ||
| He'd go, yeah, you're three weeks in. | ||
| You have four more weeks of this, Brendan. | ||
| Let's get to work. | ||
| Just fucking with me. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That's why a guy like you has to keep an eye on his appetite after you get out of fighting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because you're not broken down like that all day anymore, where you can just Fucking shovel it in. | ||
| Anytime you're doing anything that's super difficult and you're working out twice in a day, man, you're going to be hungry all the time. | ||
| And your body gets into that headspace. | ||
| But even back then, I wish I was more knowledgeable on diet and stuff like that. | ||
| I hired some nutritionists, but I never really clicked with anyone. | ||
| But I have more knowledge now on... | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| I almost threw up again. | ||
| I just threw up in my mouth. | ||
| It's all good, though. | ||
| Back to the taquito diet. | ||
| So, I have more knowledge now. | ||
| Did you say taquito diet? | ||
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I'm struggle city right now. | |
| I threw up in my mouth. | ||
| My breath smells like fucking throw up. | ||
| Anyways, I wish I had more knowledge back then when I was fighting on diet and stuff. | ||
| Because I didn't. | ||
| I would talk to people and try to figure it out. | ||
| I'm like, you're burning so many calories. | ||
| Eat whatever you want. | ||
| I'm like, God, I don't think that's the right answer. | ||
| When I played at University of Colorado and I would ask the nutritionist, I'm like, man, I feel like this yogurt you're giving us in Gatorade has so much fucking sugar. | ||
| And she goes, you're fine. | ||
| You're going to burn it off. | ||
| I'm like, this doesn't seem right to me, man. | ||
| Because I look at everyone's bodies. | ||
| We look like shit. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But... | ||
| You definitely have different requirements than a person who doesn't do the kind of working out that you do. | ||
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Oh, for sure. | |
| Well, your body will burn a certain amount of sugar and a certain amount, especially when it comes to fruits or anything complex. | ||
| 100%, but I think even though you're burning those calories, you can put good fuel in and still get calories. | ||
| You don't have to get it from cheeseburgers and candy. | ||
| You can get it through high-quality foods, even still. | ||
| But what I'm saying, getting that in terms of overall performance, if you want to do it perfectly, I don't know if keto is the way to go for a fighter. | ||
| I think the strains and requirements on your body, in terms of the amount of fuel your body needs to burn, there's an argument that, especially for a lot of people, not for everybody, but for a lot of people, having more carbohydrates in your diet than is required to stay in a state of ketosis is probably the same. | ||
| Man, what fighter did I talk to? | ||
| I want to say Lance Palmer. | ||
| Sorry, Lance, if I'm off on this. | ||
| Lance told me, one of the fighters I've had on my show goes, man, for the last three weeks before my fight, he has to make weight. | ||
| He goes, I go keto. | ||
| I make weight easily. | ||
| He goes, I've never felt better. | ||
| Yeah, Brian Carraway said that too. | ||
| Brian Carraway did that. | ||
| I've never talked to him, so it wasn't him for me. | ||
| Might be Lance Palmer. | ||
| Might be. | ||
| Well, look, everybody's body responds differently. | ||
| That's another problem. | ||
| Everybody's body responds differently to all sorts of different diets. | ||
| I never push it on people. | ||
| People ask me, I say, this is what I do, man. | ||
| I don't know if it's for you. | ||
| For me, when I'm on the road, I can find keto meals when I go to a steakhouse. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| It's super easy for me when I'm on the road. | ||
| Yeah, everybody's body. | ||
| Medicine is that way now. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That's why they give you pointed, targeted therapy. | ||
| They've got to see what your genome is. | ||
| Well, I always bring up you and your mom when you talk about Brazil nuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your mom can't eat Brazil nuts. | ||
| You could brush her skin with them. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| And she would break out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fucking nuts. | ||
| What did your mom use called those nuts? | ||
| I forget. | ||
| Brazil nuts. | ||
| Is that what she always called it? | ||
| But out of all the things to be allergic to, the wackest nut of them all, the shittiest tasting stupid nut, like when you get one of those things of mixed nuts, you get those Brazil nuts, you're like, all right, all right, giant nuts. | ||
| Throw that big stupid nut down. | ||
| I know, but they say they're good sloth toes. | ||
| Sloth toes, yeah. | ||
| Am I making that up? | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| Oh, that's what she calls them? | ||
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Sloth toes? | |
| I feel like we call it something else. | ||
| Sloth toes, right? | ||
| They look like sloth toes. | ||
| Maybe I just made that up now. | ||
| You might have. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| I'm sick. | ||
| I'm sick. | ||
| But Brazil nuts, like I heard that they're good for sports and for your liver or some bullshit. | ||
| So what I do, good old Brian decides to start... | ||
| Chopping them up six, seven at a time, putting them in my shake. | ||
| That's all good. | ||
| Problem is, I inherited a little of the old allergic stuff. | ||
| Now, when you are allergic and you keep eating something, you'll develop more and more of a reaction with less. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| I would notice that all of a sudden, periodically, my throat would be sore. | ||
| It'd just be swollen and sore. | ||
| And I was like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Not sick, but my throat. | ||
| And then my entire mouth, at one point, swelled up and it looked like the roof of my mouth had been burned. | ||
| And my dentist goes, did you burn the entire roof of your mouth? | ||
| I went, no. | ||
| And he goes, your mouth, it looks like it's been burned. | ||
| Like somebody stuck a thing out. | ||
| I go, yeah, it's killing me. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck is going on. | ||
| He goes... | ||
| You allergic to something? | ||
| I said, no, I'm not allergic. | ||
| He goes, are you eating a nut that you might be allergic to? | ||
| And I said, ah. | ||
| And so I was developing very quickly a major problem. | ||
| Wow, that's insane. | ||
| Have you ever heard of the Lone Star Tick that it gives people a red meat allergy? | ||
| I have. | ||
| I listen to a podcast. | ||
| Radiolab, Alpha Gal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, there's some fucking compound. | ||
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Very rare thing. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| The tick is becoming less and less rare. | ||
| Tick-borne diseases are fucking horrifying. | ||
| There are so many people out there that are suffering from chronic Lyme. | ||
| They don't catch it quick enough. | ||
| They don't get the antibiotics in their system quick enough. | ||
| I know somebody who has that. | ||
| My friend Chandra, her dad got a shot for Lyme disease. | ||
| They used to give you a vaccination and he caught Lyme disease from the vaccination. | ||
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God damn. | |
| They don't do that vaccination anymore. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| And once you have Lyme, there's no way to cure it, right? | ||
| No, there is. | ||
| You take massive amounts of tetracycline, etc. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But everybody's result is different. | ||
| Some people catch it too late and it's like chronic. | ||
| Well, Jimmy Burke had tuberculosis. | ||
| We called him Jimmy Burculosis. | ||
| You don't know about that? | ||
| When did he have that? | ||
| Jimmy Burculosis got it. | ||
| They thought for six months, it was about three months, they thought he had the disease that killed Bernie Mac. | ||
| They thought he had that or lung cancer. | ||
| And I'm with Jimmy. | ||
| He's walking around with a machine that's straining his lungs. | ||
| They couldn't figure it out. | ||
| Where does it hook up? | ||
| Through his mouth? | ||
| I think a thing to his chest. | ||
| How long ago was that being? | ||
| This is 10 years ago. | ||
| He was walking around? | ||
| Yeah, in the hospital. | ||
| And that was what he was looking at. | ||
| So I fly to New York. | ||
| It's my fucking brother, right? | ||
| I fly to New York. | ||
| I'm like, dude. | ||
| I go, you know, you either have the thing that turns your lungs to sand or lung cancer? | ||
| And he goes, that's what they're telling me, Bob. | ||
| And we're talking and he's hanging out. | ||
| I go, how the fuck are you not in crisis right now? | ||
| And he goes, dude, I made peace with my death so fucking long ago that if I'm going to go like this, everybody's laughing. | ||
| And my funeral better be a fucking party. | ||
| Anyway, long story short, they come in and they, of course, guess who falls in love with them? | ||
| All the doctors, because it's Jimmy Burke. | ||
| All the fucking doctors. | ||
| And they fall in love with him. | ||
| And when they found out that he had tuberculosis on the outside of his lung, it wasn't on the inside, which was really weird. | ||
| He had it on the outside. | ||
| He got it probably from his grandfather, who he had been exposed to when he was three, four years old. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah, when he was done. | ||
| What do they do for tuberculosis? | ||
| So with tuberculosis, they give you nine months of antibiotics. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| And what that did to Jimmy... | ||
| Can't feel good. | ||
| What that did to Jimmy is... | ||
| Itchy asshole. | ||
| Itchy asshole. | ||
| No, not just that. | ||
| It made him colorblind. | ||
| So he can't see certain colors. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| From the antibiotics? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody healthier, by the way, but he went through some shit. | ||
| The way he handled that was amazing. | ||
| To this day, he's still colorblind? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| From antibiotics? | ||
| Oh, yes, sir. | ||
| It changed his body a little bit, too. | ||
| He wasn't as muscular. | ||
| I think he lost some weight. | ||
| Bro, you ever take antibiotics and make your asshole itch? | ||
| Like the ring of your ass itch? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| No. | ||
| Oh, you didn't take the right ones. | ||
| I mean, I want to take something that doesn't make the ring of my asshole itch. | ||
| Well, antibiotics is one of the side effects. | ||
| No, to break TB, that fucking nine months where he was... | ||
| Dude, I got staph once. | ||
| I got it twice. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| But I got it once, and I took the antibiotics, and we went out to dinner. | ||
| You and me and Patty Jenkins. | ||
| And you couldn't drink. | ||
| And not only could I not drink, my head felt like I had a lead helmet sitting on my head. | ||
| I was like, I can't believe how shitty I feel. | ||
| I feel so weak and so shitty, and I'd just gotten on them. | ||
| I was only on them for a couple of days. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| And I remember thinking, like, how could anybody fight on this? | ||
| How about guys fight with them? | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| It drains you so bad. | ||
| I didn't train, obviously, because I had staff. | ||
| I didn't want to give it to anybody, but I did try to use some weights and do some working out. | ||
| It was useless. | ||
| I tried to hit the bag. | ||
| Useless. | ||
| That's what's crazy when you find out fighters. | ||
| They're like, yeah, he won that fight and he was on antibiotics. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, fucking Kevin Lee. | ||
| When he fought against Tony Ferguson, I looked at his chest. | ||
| The moment he walked into the cage, I was like, that is staph. | ||
| How about Hodger Gracie against Bouchesha? | ||
| Did he have staph? | ||
| Yeah, he was on antibiotics. | ||
| No way! | ||
| He goes, I didn't come here to tap. | ||
| That's insane! | ||
| And then they're like, you look a little sluggish. | ||
| He's like, I was on antibiotics the whole time. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| You could see Bushesha on antibiotics. | ||
| Nuts. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| You could see that Kevin Lee had staph on him. | ||
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100%. | |
| He had an extra titty on his chest. | ||
| He had a giant welt on his chest. | ||
| And I pointed it out to Daniel. | ||
| I pointed out, I go, does that look like staph? | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| Someone in Daniel's ears was saying, do not talk about it. | ||
| Do not talk about it. | ||
| And he's like, yep, that looks like staph to me! | ||
| Right when you said it, I was like, oh shit, I hope Joe's right, man. | ||
| Oh no, I'm right. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| I mean, there's no way that could be anything else. | ||
| It turned out it was, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's swollen. | ||
| Like, something either happened, like maybe he got burnt backstage. | ||
| God, what's next for that kid? | ||
| I haven't heard anything. | ||
| You think he'd be taking a break, you know? | ||
| His coach just committed to his life. | ||
| His coach committed to his life. | ||
| Oh, it was Robert Foles. | ||
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Yeah, man. | |
| That was his coach. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| Robert Foles is a great guy. | ||
| I didn't know he committed suicide. | ||
| I knew he died. | ||
| I heard that there had been a rumor about that, but it wasn't confirmed. | ||
| That's what I heard, suicide. | ||
| Did his brother commit suicide as well? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| They're poor parents. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| He was a really, really nice guy. | ||
| Very smart guy, too. | ||
| Very smart guy. | ||
| That's such a bummer, man. | ||
| You know, and who knows what causes someone who's so well-loved and so liked, you know, that's a great argument for like chemical issues versus like, I mean, you can tell some people just don't have good lives. | ||
| Everything's going bad for them. | ||
| They want to end their life because they can't take the pain. | ||
| But then there's other people that are like him that are doing really well. | ||
| You know, and you gotta go, man, what is it? | ||
| It is a fucking mystery. | ||
| And we all have this real problem when it comes to people doing things that we would think would, you know, you'd consider to be something that someone who doesn't have control of themselves does. | ||
| And we shun that. | ||
| We don't like that. | ||
| It bothers us. | ||
| But there's a reality. | ||
| To pain and suffering that we have to address. | ||
| And shaming someone for wanting to end their life is not... | ||
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No. | |
| Until you've been faced with that kind of despair. | ||
| If your despair level is to the point where you take your own life, you have my utmost and everlasting sympathy. | ||
| I don't have a judgment on that. | ||
| I've never been there. | ||
| So the idea that I would be like, get it together... | ||
| Usually a rational decision for someone who commits suicide is the only way out of this terrible situation is death. | ||
| That's a rational decision. | ||
| I have nothing but my ultimate... | ||
| All you can do is shake your head and feel sad, not judgmental. | ||
| It's fucking completely horrible. | ||
| I mean, when you stop and think about the idea of wanting to end your life... | ||
| I feel lucky I don't have that level of serotonin in my brain. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I think, again, I think for a lot of people it goes back to what's the chemical reaction that's going on in your brain? | ||
| Is it just an issue with some sort of a disorder where there's something that's not producing the right amount of chemicals? | ||
| Or is it a problem of your past? | ||
| It could be a conflation of a lot of different factors. | ||
| But one thing to know is that... | ||
| You have a set point for your serotonin usually. | ||
| Certain people like me, I probably have a serotonin level from 1 to 10 at usually 7 to 8. No matter what's going on, I'm always, I'm just lucky. | ||
| I just very rarely get depressed. | ||
| And if I do, it's a mild sort of haze. | ||
| Some people, they could invent the cure for every disease in the world and win the lottery and all this stuff. | ||
| They just go back to their serotonin levels being at 4 or I think it's a little bit more complicated than that, but I think there's some people that are just never happy for whatever reason. | ||
| Whatever reason, chemically, or whether it could be aided by excuses. | ||
| Neil Brennan talks about that, right? | ||
| Neil's always been melancholy. | ||
| He's always been sort of in that blue region and I've always been so brilliant You know, so when you hear him talk about it like he was like yeah with the Chappelle stuff and he's like I'm always just here man, especially if medication. | ||
| I'm just here. | ||
| I just go through the motions. | ||
| He's a very smart guy Oh man, he's brilliant. | ||
| You know, I think there's also an issue with people that are really smart. | ||
| They look at the futility of it all. | ||
| It's sometimes harder for them to overcome. | ||
| Well, Doug Davidoff has the greatest joke about that. | ||
| He goes, he'd suffer from depression. | ||
| I go, how you doing? | ||
| Yeah, he wouldn't call me. | ||
| I go, where you been? | ||
| He goes, you know, I got a touch of the black dog. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah. | ||
| And this joke goes, you ever want to like... | ||
| Kill somebody, but you can't get yourself off the couch. | ||
| It's like you're too depressed to get off the couch. | ||
| It's like some people have a real thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They get overwhelmed. | ||
| There's no denying. | ||
| It's like, but how much can exercise help you? | ||
| How much can diet help you? | ||
| It's a factor. | ||
| It's not the only factor, but it's a factor. | ||
| And there's a lot of people that don't realize that. | ||
| And they go through life. | ||
| They have these issues. | ||
| And then there's people that have all the exercise and the diet, right? | ||
| They still are depressed. | ||
| Yeah, still not the answer. | ||
| They have so much going for them. | ||
| And then there's head trauma. | ||
| That's always going to be a factor. | ||
| There's TBI and CTE and all the different things that that does to your head. | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| I was thinking about Chris Cornell because Chris Cornell had such an artistic, fully artistic... | ||
| He accomplished so much artistically and his artistry was continuing to flourish. | ||
| And kind of in the middle of that with children and so much to live for. | ||
| Anti-anxiety medication. | ||
| Oh, is that what he was taking? | ||
| Yeah, he called his wife up before he did it, and he was slurring his words, and they think he was on a lot of that stuff. | ||
| Well, how about the senior of Linkin Park? | ||
| Same shit. | ||
| He had seven kids. | ||
| He had real depression, too, and he was sexually abused when he was young. | ||
| Oh, he was? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, but anti-anxiety medication has various effects on people. | ||
| Some people it's a godsend for, but it's just like the Brazil nuts thing. | ||
| Some people are going to have an adverse reaction to it, and you have to be prepared for whatever that reaction could be. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Yeah, it's a fucking bummer, man. | ||
| The human body, we don't have it figured out, but goddamn, they're getting closer and closer. | ||
| But it goes back to the fact that we're all very complicated, we're all individuals, so have a little compassion for each other. | ||
| Yeah, have a little compassion would be nice. | ||
| There's a lot of people lashing out because they don't feel good. | ||
| I watched this lady the other day cut in front of somebody. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| This guy's trying to get into this lane, and this lady speeds up to try to keep the guy from getting in the lane, and the guy sees it, so he just kind of eases over anyway, and she just lays on her horn. | ||
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Bam! | |
| And then the guy pulls up, like he's in this lane now, and he pulls up and she gets in the next lane, shoots in front of him, turns her car in front of him and slams on the brakes. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And so he gets to the left of her and just starts going towards her. | ||
| And she freaks out and turns into traffic and has to slam on the brakes like, you just had... | ||
| A crazy hissy fit over nothing because you did that cunty thing that all of us have been guilty of doing where you don't let somebody in your lane. | ||
| And this guy was like, fuck you, I'm getting in. | ||
| It's like she sped up. | ||
| She sped up to keep him from going in. | ||
| I saw you watch it all play out and you're like, wow. | ||
| I was in Park City with my mother driving her SUV and I wasn't even driving fast. | ||
| And this woman, older woman with a very old, like an old matronly, like you used to be the principal of your school. | ||
| And short hair, and she had her golden retriever, and she dressed in a preppy fashion. | ||
| Slow down! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And then I go, oh, and I wasn't even going fast, and she just goes, mmm! | ||
| And I could hear her make that noise. | ||
| She goes, mmm! | ||
| Like that with her, and she gave me the hardest middle finger. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And I went, are you kidding me? | ||
| And she goes, I'm calling the police! | ||
| And reached for her phone right away. | ||
| For what? | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| I go, oh, for what? | ||
| I go, have a nice day! | ||
| And just kept going. | ||
| I remember getting in a road rage situation with this dude when I first moved to LA. We're looking at each other on the highway and he takes his shirt off to show me his tattoos. | ||
| He's screaming at me and I'm not reacting. | ||
| I'm just looking at him. | ||
| I'm like, what is going to happen here? | ||
| I'm like, why is this guy trying so hard to scare me? | ||
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Fuck you! | |
| Fucking pull over! | ||
| Fucking pull over! | ||
| So he takes his shirt off. | ||
| He's got these tattoos. | ||
| By the way, he does not look built. | ||
| I'm like, you're in trouble, fella. | ||
| You don't really know how to fight. | ||
| Sloppy. | ||
| I highly doubt it. | ||
| I mean, you get fooled sometimes, but I'm like, this is a guy who's trying to scare me, which is probably, he's probably terrified. | ||
| A lot of noise. | ||
| Yeah, and so I'm just looking at him, and the more I'm looking at him, he just keeps screaming at me, because I'm not reacting to him. | ||
| I'm just like, Looking at him, he's screaming, and I'm in my car driving, and he's looking at me. | ||
| And I was driving a Suburban, too, which I thought was hilarious, because he goes, you rich piece of shit! | ||
| I was like, I'm in a Suburban. | ||
| How do you know if I'm rich? | ||
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Suburban, sir. | |
| This isn't even a rich car. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Where's this coming from? | ||
| It was real screamy. | ||
| And I was thinking at this time, I could make a terrible mistake, where I could say, oh yeah, I think I could just fuck this guy up. | ||
| Let me pull his car over and teach this asshole. | ||
| What you do as a young guy. | ||
| Yeah, which... | ||
| Yeah, I was only like 28 at the time. | ||
| I was still pretty fucking stupid. | ||
| But this guy screaming at me almost made me realize how dumb it is. | ||
| I was like watching, taking his shirt off, showing me his tattoos. | ||
| There's no upside. | ||
| To this day, though. | ||
| To this day, there'd be like a day would go by that I would think, I should have just fucked that dude up. | ||
| Whoop his ass with his shirt off. | ||
| It was like 20 years ago. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It was 20 years ago. | ||
| I've seen you. | ||
| What's the best case scenario though? | ||
| I literally think I should have just pulled over and kicked that fucking dude's legs out from under him and choked him unconscious. | ||
| It'd be hilarious. | ||
| But it's so stupid to harbor those thoughts 20 years later. | ||
| That's how dumb those instances where you want to go in a lane and someone doesn't want to let you and they speed up and they're like fucking honk honk, fuck you! | ||
| Like that tension. | ||
| It's so dumb you'll hold on to some of those dumb thoughts for decades. | ||
| Dude, I had a guy the other day, I was driving off Abbot Kenney, I looked at my phone at directions, and I was at a stop sign, and you know, it was my turn to go, but I was looking down at my phone for directions, and this guy behind me, he's like a regular worker, like in a car, just goes nuts, nuts, honking and whoring, and I waved that, I'm like, hi Batman, and then I'm driving, he goes around me, slams on the brakes, And starts flipping me off talking shit. | ||
| I'm like, dude, come on, man. | ||
| And I'm like, alright, alright, go, man. | ||
| I got it, I got it. | ||
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I fucked up. | |
| Keep going. | ||
| And then he won't let me go. | ||
| I'm like, dude, you gotta let me go, man. | ||
| He just keeps talking shit. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck am I gonna do, man? | ||
| I'm gonna beat up this dad. | ||
| What the fuck am I gonna do? | ||
| But he's playing a game that he thinks he's safe playing, you know, because we're not in Serbia. | ||
| Nobody's pulling guns out and gunning people down the street. | ||
| These people, they'll do that kind of shit. | ||
| I watched these two guys race each other and they were cutting in front of each other and slamming on the brakes and doing that thing and slamming on the brakes and yelling shit out each other at the window. | ||
| And just watch him, and you go, like, this could be nothing, or it could be your life. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Like, you could hit that guy, he can go into traffic, somebody could die, he could hit someone on the street. | ||
| Like, you guys are speeding like you're in this death race, like you're in some fucking Mad Max movie, but you're on a residential street. | ||
| Dude, me and this guy, he's yelling at me, and I'm like, what are you going to do, man? | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Are you going to fight me? | ||
| What the fuck are you going to do? | ||
| And he goes, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what the fuck are you going to do. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| I took off my glasses. | ||
| I went, you're fucking serious. | ||
| You're serious right now. | ||
| He's like, keeps going. | ||
| And then I thought, am I going to get out and fight this guy? | ||
| I said, what if he has a gun? | ||
| And I wanted to go left, but I couldn't because he's blocking me. | ||
| So I went right. | ||
| I thought, man, my brother and my friends would make fun of me for going right when I still went left. | ||
| It's the right thing to do. | ||
| I was driving like, what am I going to do? | ||
| Fight this fucking guy? | ||
| Think of that as being like you run into a dog. | ||
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Rawr! | |
| Are you supposed to like, hey, fuck you, dog. | ||
| No, you sit, bitch. | ||
| Sit. | ||
| No, you're supposed to go. | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
| But the problem is it's a person. | ||
| So a person you think of is different than a dog. | ||
| A dog is like, get the fuck away from that dog. | ||
| You get the fuck away from that person, too. | ||
| It's a bit the ego thing, too. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| But listen, dude. | ||
| But I didn't have that. | ||
| 99.9% of the fucking human beings you interact with, you can kill. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That should play heavy on your mind. | ||
| No, you know what played on my mind was I went, I bet he's going through some shit. | ||
| He probably went like a double shift. | ||
| Someone probably was texting before me and he's just taking his anger out on me. | ||
| I'm just going to go, right, fuck this, man. | ||
| I don't need this. | ||
| Yeah, but he could have been 10 and still acted like that. | ||
| And you should have the same reaction. | ||
| Like, oh God. | ||
| Like, it's a child. | ||
| He's a child. | ||
| He's a grown-up baby. | ||
| He's pretending he's going to kick your ass. | ||
|
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I know. | |
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| One of two things. | ||
| Either he has a gun, or he's fucking insane. | ||
| Those are the only two possibilities. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Or he doesn't realize you're a gorilla sitting in your car. | ||
| You look like a normal-sized person. | ||
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I'm an orange Porsche, so he's probably like, fuck this guy. | |
| Yeah, he probably feels like you're some preppy dickhead from Bel Air. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Some cutie pie. | ||
| He'd be right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're talking about like road rage incidences. | ||
| You know, they've figured out why people have road rage too. | ||
| And one of the reasons why it occurs so often is not just a separation by barriers between you and the other person so you don't have social cues. | ||
| It's also that your senses are jacked up because you're in a situation where you know that you have to react potentially at a very fast rate. | ||
| You have to be able to react instantaneously to someone changing your lane. | ||
| Slam on the brakes! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So you're at heightened states. | ||
| And so then you interact with people that you think maybe are fucking with that heightened state. | ||
| And you just fucking lay on that horn, you piece of shit, you cut me off! | ||
| And everybody's been guilty of it. | ||
| And everybody has to learn to negotiate that weird extra urge of aggression that you get when you're in your car. | ||
| And don't get out of the car and fight. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| No, don't do it. | ||
| But people want to do it, man. | ||
| They want to do it all the time. | ||
| No. | ||
| Bad idea. | ||
| People shoot people all the time. | ||
| I feel like they could look at your head and you've got kind of a big head. | ||
| No, I got a friendly face, man. | ||
| What about your ears? | ||
| They're not thinking. | ||
| They don't see my ears. | ||
| First of all, this guy... | ||
| They see the bullshit haircut. | ||
| I'm in an orange Porsche. | ||
| I probably got skinny jeans on. | ||
| The guy's not thinking of fighting anyone. | ||
| He's not thinking of fighting anyone. | ||
| It's all a posing thing. | ||
| It's all a bluff charge. | ||
| It's a bluff charge. | ||
| It's exactly what it is. | ||
| The way he cut me off, though, this guy was down. | ||
| Yeah, but he's not down. | ||
| It's like a gorilla running up to you who's never planning on smashing you. | ||
| Yeah, that shit worked. | ||
| I went right. | ||
| I needed to go left. | ||
| I had to go all the way around the block. | ||
| He went home, his dick was hard as a rock, and he fucked the shit out of his wife. | ||
| I'm a fucking man. | ||
| There was a guy who cut me off, and I told him to fuck off! | ||
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You want to fight, you motherfucker? | |
| He said no, and I'm going to fuck you now. | ||
| I win! | ||
| They say that in, what was that book by Malcolm Gladwell? | ||
| Wherever you're from has to do with how you react to affronts. | ||
| So, like they did this experiment where they would have a guy, they'd have you take two fake tests. | ||
| And you had to take a test in this room, and then you had to go down the hall and take a test in another room. | ||
| As you were walking down the hall to the other test, you would get, somebody would walk by you, bump you, and go, watch out, asshole. | ||
| Keep walking. | ||
| And the dudes from the south versus the guys from the north, the dudes from the south, their serratol levels, whatever, all those levels, their serratol levels, their testosterone levels, everything was jacked to the fucking roof. | ||
| They were ready to fight. | ||
| Dudes from the north? | ||
| Nah, not at all. | ||
| They were like, huh, whatever, what a dick. | ||
| And it had to do, according to Gladwell, not really, also this guy Nisbet as well, it had to do with where you were from, and more importantly, where your ancestry heralded from. | ||
| If you came from a culture, an honor culture, As opposed to what they call the dignity culture. | ||
| So if you came from a culture where honor was everything, and those cultures are hurting cultures, that's where you get the Chichanis, that's where you get the Afghanis, that's where you get the North Scots-Irish. | ||
| That's why... | ||
| Armenians. | ||
| Armenians, that's why. | ||
| Armenians will fuck you up. | ||
| Fuck yes! | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| Armenians are tough as shit! | ||
| Shoulder check some Armenians in the street. | ||
| Are you kidding? | ||
| They will punch you in the... | ||
| They don't fuck around. | ||
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Armenians... | |
| You get yourself a scrap. | ||
| Tight-knit communities. | ||
| Yeah, I like that. | ||
| But it was from honor cultures and the Scots-Irish who settled where? | ||
| The Appalachians. | ||
| The Hatfields and the McCoys. | ||
| The fuck, yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When you go to Ireland, you go to parts of the UK, you know, in the north where Tony's from, good luck. | ||
| Go see what happens in a bar when you want to get scrappy. | ||
| You'll find plenty of man to meet you halfway. | ||
| Whereas if you go to certain other parts of the world where they didn't come from herding cultures, where they came from a culture that relied mostly on agriculture, where it relied on cooperation. | ||
| See, because when you're a herder, And somebody steals your sheep, you will not survive the winter. | ||
| So you've got to let everybody know that if you do steal my sheep, I'm going to kill you and every man in your fucking family because I'm a crazy motherfucker. | ||
| So, you know, it's do or die here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's literally survival of your family. | ||
| Nisbet and Gladwell wrote a book about it, but some of these guys who actually did the primary research on that proved that culture, even though you don't know those people, even though your generation's removed from that in this country, that shit has deep, deep roots in your cultural psyche. | ||
| And of course also in the South. | ||
| Genetic memory, but also cultural memory. | ||
| Also, you're raised as a man to protect your cubic space. | ||
| Well, that guy who wanted to fight me was a herder. | ||
| I'm sure he was. | ||
| I'm sure he was. | ||
| I think he's probably on Adderall. | ||
| He's faking. | ||
| He's bluff charging. | ||
| He just got off a double shift. | ||
| He has a herding mentality. | ||
| What kind of car did he have? | ||
| It was a L.A. County truck. | ||
| He was Mexican. | ||
| If you guys want to read about that, Geography of Thought, I think, by Harold Nisbet. | ||
| He's a phenomenal guy. | ||
| Was he using a county truck? | ||
| Boy, that's a dumb move. | ||
| That's a way to get fired real quick. | ||
| He didn't give a fuck. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| He got me. | ||
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He got me. | |
| I had to go around the block. | ||
| It took me more time. | ||
| Because you don't come from that culture. | ||
| I was embarrassed. | ||
| Isn't it funny how he's such a badass, but he's like... | ||
| No, it's not that I don't... | ||
| You do that to my... | ||
| Listen... | ||
| My brother's had some issues on the road, you know, and this stuff. | ||
| My dad has, too. | ||
| I've seen it with my own eyes. | ||
| With me, the stuff I have going on, if I get out of that car, I fight that guy, I lose everything I stand for. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| All my gigs. | ||
| Everything's gone. | ||
| And for what? | ||
| But it's self-defense, Brennan. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| You're forcing yourself into an aggression situation. | ||
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We're both fucked. | |
| And what do you think the headline reads? | ||
| LA worker beats up UFC fighter? | ||
| No. | ||
| I hope not. | ||
| That would be embarrassing. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I think you'd have real issues with you. | ||
| X UFC fighter twists man's hat off, gets arrested, goes to prison. | ||
| Yeah, that's not a good move. | ||
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His show time, his e-show is stand-up fucking gone. | |
| There's nothing funny about a guy beating up another guy. | ||
| No, there's no upside to it. | ||
| And it's also, you can avoid it. | ||
| It can be avoided. | ||
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I don't care. | |
| And I think a lot of that posturing bullshit and screaming comes from not being able to fight. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| If you could have a bar filled with jujitsu black belt, it's probably the friendliest fucking bar ever. | ||
| The tough guys don't yell like that. | ||
| It's like gun culture. | ||
| If you hang out with a bunch of gun guys, they're super formal and respectful. | ||
| Yeah, because they're used to seeing bullets flying around. | ||
| Everybody's got to mind their P's and Q's when everybody's actually equal. | ||
| If you're a bunch of gun handlers, and all of you, you go into gun competitions and shit, and you're shooting, plink, plink, plink, plink, and you're rolling like fucking Keanu Reeves and shit, those guys, they're equal to everybody in the world. | ||
| All they have to do is this. | ||
| I mean, they've balanced it out to a squeeze of a trigger and... | ||
| SEAL Team 6 operatives aren't walking around going, I'm in the SEALs! | ||
| Watch out, bro! | ||
| I want to get to the front of the line! | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There was a bunch of Marines that came to the comedy store the other night, real nice guys. | ||
| They were there for this Toys R Tots thing, hanging out with them, talking to them afterwards. | ||
| And then there's some weird drunk guy who comes up to me after the Marines left, and he asked me about Recon Marines. | ||
| He's like, oh, look at that! | ||
| He just went in. | ||
| Oh, you're sick. | ||
| That was throw up, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| That's what we're trying to avoid. | ||
| That was amazing. | ||
| It's just fluid. | ||
| We should probably end this anyway. | ||
| I'm going to Mexico tomorrow. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| He's throwing up again. | ||
| I don't know who's cleaning that thing. | ||
| That's a good end. | ||
| Any ideas? | ||
| We'll just throw that away. | ||
| We'll get another one. | ||
| We'll throw that away. | ||
| We'll get another. | ||
| You're hurting. | ||
| We're not... | ||
| Ooh, I'm just watching a bunch of puke coming out of Brendan Schaub's mouth. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| Super sorry about all this. | ||
| It's a good way to end? | ||
| It's a good way to end. | ||
| It's a good way to end. | ||
| Brian Callen, you got any dates coming up? | ||
| I'm glad you asked. | ||
| January 12th. | ||
| January 12th, 13th. | ||
| Don't puke through my dates. | ||
| January 12th, 13th, 14th. | ||
| I'm in fucking... | ||
| Where am I? Hold on. | ||
| January 12th. | ||
| I'm in Nashville at Zaney's and then at the end of the month, Columbus Funny Bone. | ||
| January 25th, 26th, my birthday, 27th. | ||
| You could try to go see Brendan Schaub at the Wilbur Theatre in Boston. | ||
| But it's sold out, you fucks! | ||
| Sold out! | ||
| I'm in Portland before, the 11th through the 13th. | ||
| He just threw up. | ||
| And now I'm in Denver on the 1st, February, and then 2nd, 3rd, St. Louis. | ||
| Come see me! | ||
| I won't be sick. | ||
| Yeah, he won't be sick. | ||
| Boston, that bitch is sold out. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| What are you doing on Wednesday night? | ||
| Why, what's up? | ||
| You want to do a set at the Ice House? | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Okay then. | ||
| Brendan Shaw will be at the Ice House. | ||
| Ice House is sold out to you, fucks. | ||
| This Friday night, I'm at the Mirage in Las Vegas with the great and powerful Ian Edwards. | ||
| And then, New Year's Eve, the day after the UFC, two shows at the Wiltern in Los Angeles. | ||
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Alright. | |
| I apologize for throwing up. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
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It's all good. | |
| It was a good way to end. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| Good way to end. | ||
| Are you okay, man? |
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