Sept. 16, 2025 - Judging Freedom - Judge Andrew Napolitano
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| Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. | |
| Today is Monday, September 15th, 2025. | |
| Larry Johnson will be with us in just one moment. | |
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| Larry, welcome here, uh, my dear friend. | |
| Um, I want to talk to you about the Russian military and Russian intel, but before we get there, uh, have you any idea why Prime Minister Netanyahu went on international uh television uh over the weekend to state publicly that Israel did not assassinate Charlie Kirk? | |
| Uh yes, and let me first say thank thank you, Judge, for accommodating my schedule again. | |
| It's the second time I've said that in three days. | |
| So pleasure, Larry. | |
| Pleasure. | |
| Look, the circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact that Charlie Kirk was reevaluating his position vis-a-visrael. | |
| And I was looking forward, I was hoping I would see Max Blumenthal before me, but I guess he's coming on after me. | |
| Um so people will definitely want to watch that because I think the article that Max and Anya Parampil, his wife, uh produced the other day, lays it out in exquisite and horrifying detail that this journey that Charlie Kirk was on, that you know he was not a rigid ideologue frozen in time, unwilling to make any kind of changes or movements. | |
| He, in fact, was making movements. | |
| And I think the one thing that was sort of driving him was because of his passion for the unborn and for children, that they did not be killed or destroyed or murdered, Uh that he began to see the contradiction that how could he uphold that position and then you know claim to support the genocide that uh that uh the Zionists are carrying out uh in Gaza. | |
| And and you know, he said he had a he mean he said some uncomfortable thanks to Ben Shapiro just the day before he died. | |
| Uh he held that debate with Dave, he hosted the debate between Dave Smith and Josh Hammer in mid-December. | |
| So clearly his position was changing. | |
| Now, uh the the fact that he had been funded early on by a lot of pro-Zionist Israelis and Christians. | |
| Um is was a factor weighing upon him. | |
| Uh because money is a threat can be significant. | |
| But the other thing we have, and and our friend George Galloway did a magnificent job of this in his commentary the other night, that anybody who raises the possibility that Israel was involved with the murder of Charlie Kirk is an anti-Semite. | |
| And he says, No, no, no, no, no. | |
| Israel lost the right to use that accusation years ago, starting with the murder of U.S. military personnel on the USS Liberty. | |
| And there have been uh other examples, there's strong circumstantial evidence pointing to their involvement as well with the death of John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy. | |
| So that it's not far-fetched. | |
| This is not some grand conspiracy theory pulled out of nowhere. | |
| Now, what could they possibly have done? | |
| Incited these uh transgender activists to be able to take the action, providing a shield between them. | |
| But nonetheless, the the facts that are there in the last few months is that Charlie Kirk appeared to be re-evaluating his relationship with Israel, and then told told specific people he was afraid, afraid of Benjamin Netanyahu. | |
| Uh that's why Netanyahu got out in front of this. | |
| Here's uh a portion of the uh Charlie Kirk uh Ben uh Shapiro interview cut number 11. | |
| We push back against the media on COVID on lockdowns on Ukraine on the border on this like maybe we should also ask a question. | |
| Is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? | |
| Just a question, you know, that maybe we shouldn't believe everything the media says, because I know I've been conditioned to ask a lot more critical questions over the last couple of years. | |
| So Ben, some people would accuse Israel of wanting to ethnically cleanse some people in the Israeli government are saying, again, it's all over the place, right? | |
| You have opinions all over. | |
| In your opinion, what would a good outcome five years from now be and how does one respond to the claims of ethnic cleansing? | |
| No question, but that he was changing his mind. | |
| Ben uh uh forgive me, uh Max is going to uh demonstrate some very very uh strong and breaking news about the level of uh threats uh imposed uh on uh on Charlie. | |
| Uh jumping to uh Doha, what do you think the uh geopolitical response will be to the United States enabled Israeli perpetrated uh assault on a residential neighborhood in Doha? | |
| Well, uh this this may be another um mark in Trump's column to get him the Nobel Peace Prize because he has brought together the Arabs and the Iranians, the Persians, and they're like all united right now today, putting out this very strong statement condemning uh what Israel did in that strike, and indirectly condemning the United States for facilitating it. | |
| So, hey, congratulations, President Trump. | |
| You've you've you brought them together again. | |
| So, yeah, you know, I I apologize for the sarcasm, but reading the various statements that were made. | |
| Um, you know, Erdogan, yeah, he's a big talker, he talks tough, doesn't actually act. | |
| Uh Pajeshkin of Iran, though, he was very strong. | |
| Mohammed bin Salman, very strong. | |
| Uh, even the king of Jordan, Abdullah was there condemning in the strongest terms possible. | |
| Because you know, I think he recognizes as well. | |
| They could be next, right? | |
| You know, despite the relationship with the United States, he just what was demonstrated as this is that this despite uh the the role that the Qataris have played in hosting for now more than 20 uh 25, 30 years, | |
| uh the base at Al Udid that has been used to conduct the war in Iraq, played a major role in the war in Syria, that they've been a de facto ally of the United States, and that the United States would allow the Israelis to attack them in this way. | |
| It has enraged them. | |
| It has uh you know a sort of torn the scales from their eyes, and uh the I think it was the prime minister Al Tani was uh I mean uh he was delivering uh quite uh a uh a list, a tirade almost directed at Israel and indirectly directed at the United States. | |
| So this is this is any of that going to is any of them going to take any military action against Israel? | |
| No, no. | |
| Um, but you know, candidly, they don't need to take military action, take Economic action. | |
| Follow up with what the Houthis are doing. | |
| Let the Houthis be the ones that are launching the missiles, but stop all trade, cut off all relations, isolate Israel. | |
| And all of those countries have leverage with other countries that are trading. | |
| Where does Israel get its oil from? | |
| Uh through Turkey, Azerbaijan, uh, a significant portion of it. | |
| Well, Erdogan could uh could stop that with a phone call. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| But the reason Erdogan has it is hey, his family's making money off of it. | |
| So you know what you know. | |
| The uh attack occurred in Doha. | |
| Correct. | |
| After the United States lured Hamas there, just like the attack on Iran on Iran occurred after the United States lured the Iranian uh negotiators to wherever they were going to negotiate. | |
| Both of those involved Whitkoff. | |
| Whitkoff, we now know is cutting deals for himself and and his family as he goes from Middle Eastern country to Middle Eastern uh country. | |
| Very, very lucrative financial uh deals. | |
| Do you think Witkoff was a dupe used by Trump or a willing participant in the deceptions? | |
| No, dupe. | |
| Uh he was duped, he was used. | |
| Um you know, this is uh in most states in the United States, I believe, it is illegal during deer season. | |
| People that want to go hunt deer and kill deer to put assault lick out in the middle of a field so that they can attract the deer, bait them, and then shoot them. | |
| Right. | |
| Well, that's illegal, and yet that's exactly what we're doing the equivalent of that. | |
| It's not so much assault lick as it is. | |
| Hey, have your phones available, we'll give you a call so we can know where you are, so we can have the Israelis send a bomb or a missile on top of you. | |
| And uh, I I don't believe that uh Whitkopf was actually read into that, uh, or even uh clued into it, you know, so he would have plausible deniability, but I think the words now getting around. | |
| Hey, if Whitkoff uh caused you to set up a meeting, uh, you might want to think twice before going to it. | |
| Right, right. | |
| Uh Chris tells me you can bait all you want in Georgia, you can't bait in New Jersey. | |
| That I know my farm, as you know, is in the uh height of or the heart of the uh deer and bear uh shooting uh area. | |
| Uh on Ukraine, has anything toward peace come of the anchorage meeting? | |
| Any structure, any working group, any agreement to agree, yeah. | |
| No, nothing. | |
| Uh in fact, what we've seen is that uh I don't know if Trump planned it this way. | |
| You know, maybe they'll take credit for it after the fact, but by him staking out this uh condition. | |
| Hey, you know, we're willing to we'll impose the most massive sanctions and tariffs on Russia, India, and China. | |
| But Europe, you go first. | |
| This is your fight, not ours. | |
| So you you take the lead, you show us how important this is, and Europe's going, we're not doing that, and then Trump's going, Well, if you're not gonna do it, we're not gonna get out in front of this parade. | |
| So, you know, now it's just it's it's complete uh stalemate, not between the West and Russia, Russia's winning. | |
| The stalemate is now between the United States and Europe, uh, because Europe has talked a good game, but they're not willing to put their economic relations with India, China at risk, and also deprive themselves of what oil is coming out of Russia. | |
| Their economies are already suffering. | |
| Just the other day, we saw the French uh bond was downgraded by Fitch uh rating agency from double A to just plus A. So they're they're going in the wrong direction. | |
| UK, France, and Germany, they've all got significant economic problems and significant political problems. | |
| So none of them are in any kind of strong position to put together an organized effort to go out and quote confront Russia. | |
| Uh So, you know, Trump has uh sort of found a way out where he's hey I'm rolling, I'm I'm gonna go full full Monty on him. | |
| Well, I'm gonna apply impose everything, but you guys got to go first. | |
| And as long as they don't go first, Trump then doesn't have to do anything. | |
| I'm gonna play a clip from uh Trump for just a minute and ask you what you think of it. | |
| And my opinion, he doesn't know what he's talking about. | |
| However, did say over the weekend, I need every country in NATO to impose sanctions. | |
| Well, he knows that's not gonna happen. | |
| Turkey's not going to do it, Hungary's not gonna do it. | |
| There it is. | |
| Yeah, I am ready to do major sanctions on Russia when all NATO nations have agreed and started to do the same thing, and when all NATO nations stop buying oil from Russia, that is a practical and economic impossibility. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| So he's yeah, I mean, it it really I it's clever, and we can't, you know. | |
| Well, whatever we want to say about Donald Trump's uh lack of organization and failure to hire uh, you know, well-vetted people. | |
| I give him, you know, the on this one, and again, I don't know if did he come up with it or did fall into it, but it's extremely clever and it's extremely effective. | |
| It allows him to say, hey, I'm I'm willing to be uh the the hard guy here and to take and to really punish Russia, but you guys got to go first. | |
| You you know, you show this is like uh someone saying, Hey, you know, I I want you to invest in this multi-billion dollar company, and you say, Great. | |
| Uh I'll put my money in as soon as I see that you guys have put in uh as much, if not more than what you want me to invest. | |
| Here he is um over the weekend about uh Europe stopping its purchases of oil. | |
| Chris cut number eight. | |
| Europe is they're my friends, but they're buying oil from Russia, so we can't be expected to be the only ones that are on you know full full boar. | |
| Europe is buying oil from Russia. | |
| I don't want them to buy oil, and the sanctions that are putting that they're putting on are not tough enough. | |
| And I'm willing to do sanctions, but they're gonna have to toughen up their sanctions commensurate with what I'm doing. | |
| Yeah, it's not gonna happen. | |
| Yeah, not gonna happen at all. | |
| They the the kind of economic turmoil that is really starting to shake the world, uh, we haven't we haven't felt it uh as much as the Europeans are starting to feel it. | |
| But uh, for example, inflation is somewhat hidden, but it it is taking off both here and abroad. | |
| Uh the stagnation. | |
| It looks like the the U.S. economy, now that they've got the correct uh figures in place for unemployment, has actually been in recession since April of 2024. | |
| Uh the uh the the Chinese are moving their purchases, you know, they used to think uh we uh many in the Trump team thought that oh China China couldn't get along without our market, and yet I I posted a piece last night on Sonar 21 that was based on uh information from Bloomberg reporting that uh there's just been an explosion of trade between China and Africa with the Africans importing a lot more, | |
| and on top of it, the Chinese using their own currency to finance loans to those people, loans in the past that used to be in dollars and have to go through the IMF or the World Bank. | |
| Doesn't Trump have people around him who could have anticipated this? | |
| Yeah, well, in theory, yes, but they didn't. | |
| They refused to look at it, you know. | |
| It's not like I think they're afraid to tell them when they think he's wrong. | |
| Yeah, that may be. | |
| Look, I I'm not some great economic genius, not some great military strategist, but I look, I can add and subtract and just sit there and look at look at what's happening, look at who's you know, you always ask yourself, does somebody have an alternative? | |
| And what you know, is the example is like the nuclear power plant industry. | |
| Years ago, the West said, We're gonna teach those Chinese by God, we're gonna sanction them, and they're not gonna get access to our technology. | |
| So, what did the Japan Chinese do? | |
| They said, Oh, okay, we'll develop our own internal capability. | |
| So now what's happened in a period of 20 years? | |
| China is building 10 new nuclear reactor power plants a year. | |
| The United States hasn't built one, and I don't, I can't remember the last one we built. | |
| And what that means is we therefore don't have the personnel trained to build them, the personnel trained to operate them. | |
| And China mill, meanwhile, it's doing 10 a year. | |
| They've been doing 10 a year for I think the last three years. | |
| Think about that. | |
| All right. | |
| Uh on the Russian military, and I've been dying to show you this all day. | |
| Um sorry for the uh acid this will put in your belly. | |
| Yeah, General Kellogg three days ago, Chris cut number nine. | |
| If he was winning, he'd be in Kyiv. | |
| If he's winning, he'd be west of the Nepah River. | |
| If he's winning, he'd be on Odessa. | |
| If he's winning, he would have changed their government. | |
| Russia is in fact losing this war. | |
| Now, they may make movements and see, well, they're advancing uh in the Donbass region in the desk. | |
| But if you consider advancing, moving by meters, not miles. | |
| Well, then okay, that's successful. | |
| But if the cost of having it's enormous, and I don't think people truly appreciate it's a number, but the numbers they have lost, when you're talking dead and wounded, well over a million, they left Afghanistan after losing 18,000. | |
| We left Vietnam after losing 65,000. | |
| They've lost over a million dead or wounded. | |
| These numbers are world war two level numbers when you have when you think about it. | |
| They're they're stunning in the loss. | |
| And this is in and their first line units that they came and tried to take key with a little over four four years ago. | |
| Those first line units are gone. | |
| So they've gone through a second or their third or fourth iteration of wartime commanders. | |
| They're pulling tanks out of mothballs out of museums put on the battle line. | |
| They can't operate in large movements because the Ukrainians will kill them. | |
| Yeah, he's lying. | |
| I mean, look, look, let's just very simple. | |
| So let me get this straight. | |
| The Russians are moving very, very, very slowly, you know, and in the process, man, they're suffering massive casualties. | |
| Okay. | |
| So in the last two months, when the Russians have turned over the dead Ukrainians that they have, and the Ukrainians have turned over the dead Russians that they have. | |
| The Ukrainians gave the Russians 19 dead Russians in this last in the last two turnovers. | |
| 19 the first time, 19 the time before that. | |
| Each time the Russians turned over a thousand. | |
| That's a 50 to 1 difference. | |
| For every dead Russian, there's 50 dead Ukrainians. | |
| So what does that mean? | |
| Well, he could come back and say, Well, well, actually, what it means is that the Russians were moving so fast forward that the Ukrainians didn't have cover time to recover the body and go, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. | |
| You just told us that they were moving so slowly that they were hardly advancing. | |
| Now you want to say that they're moving so fast that the Ukrainians didn't have time to pick up the bodies. | |
| I mean, figure out a story, stick with it. | |
| But the story he's pushing is as our good friend uh Ray McGovern calls it, male bovine excrement to the maximum. | |
| Agreed entirely, but here's the danger. | |
| He gets to whisper into Donald Trump's ears. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And if Trump's dumb enough to believe him, then Trump's gonna reap the whirlwind. | |
| You know, again, this Trump's got is Trump the president, is he the adult? | |
| Does he have any kind of independent thought process? | |
| I believe he does. | |
| I believe he's capable of that. | |
| And so he should recognize and understand. | |
| I did hear our friend Alexander Mercurius comment that he has picked up that there's going to be sort of a reevaluation and a presentation of new intelligence from the United States to update significantly the actual casualty figures. | |
| Because the situation that that Kellogg was describing is actually what is the Ukrainians are experiencing massive losses. | |
| losses. | |
| Uh, they've turned over multiple, they're on their fourth army right now, whereas the Russians have not suffered those kinds of losses at all. | |
| And they're again, there's no independent uh indicator. | |
| You know, for example, if the Russians were suffering those kinds of losses, then you would see it on social media in Russia. | |
| It's not on social media, right? | |
| You would see it in the obituaries that are published in all of the uh uh the the republics in Russia. | |
| You're not seeing that. | |
| You'd see it in hospitals that were overflowing. | |
| You'd see it in graveyards, uh cemeteries that were being expanded. | |
| You're not seeing that. | |
| You're seeing all of that in Ukraine. | |
| And so you know, Kellogg's going to end up eating his words here because perhaps before the end of the year, uh the Russians will be in Kiev, they'll be in Odessa. | |
| And then we'll kell finally say, well, damn, I was wrong. | |
| Russia has won, maybe. | |
| Larry, thank you very much, my dear friend. | |
| I know you've been traveling, but uh and you're accommodating my schedule. | |
| Hey, anything for the judge. | |
| Uh God bless you. | |
| Uh, we'll see you. | |
| I was thinking of our friends in Russia when he said the Russians are taking tanks out of museums. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| This is just crazy. | |
| Uh, we'll see you Friday with uh with Ray. | |
| Thank you, Larry. | |
| Yes, sir, I'll be there. | |
| Of course, all the best. | |
| Uh, if you're watching us live, you don't want to miss Max Blumenthal coming up in five minutes at six o'clock Eastern. |
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