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April 24, 2026 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (23 April 2026): Katherine Horton & Bill Binney UNDER FIRE!
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Informing The Secret Service 00:14:56
Welcome to another Real Deal special, my ongoing conversation with Binnie and Catherine Norton under fire.
We had a delay last week, so we got a lot of catching up to do.
Catherine, tell me the latest here about your efforts to inform the Secret Service of modes of attack upon the president of which they may be completely unaware.
Yeah, so as some people know, we've been trying since September 24 to get through and get an audience with the Secret Service.
And we have been failing miserably.
They have, well, first of all, we wrote two letters, one in September and one in December, to the Secret Service at the time, protective detail leader Sean Curran, who would then become the director of the Secret Service, and to Trump.
Well, actually, the first one, September, was to Trump.
It went to Trump Towers in New York and to Mar a Lago.
We didn't get a response.
It's like it didn't exist.
So we sent another one in December that I only sent to Sean Curran.
At Mar a Lago, and it was intended as a setup for the FBI.
So, in that letter, I said that I wanted to talk about directed energy weapons, I think non consensual implants, the network behind the assassination attempts on President Trump that I'd investigated.
And I've got half a dozen of leads to actual people who orchestrated it around whoever the shooter was.
And so I informed him of all that and I said, I would like to hand over evidence.
I never said, I don't want to get into Mar a Lago, just hand over evidence.
At the checkpoint outside on the bridge.
This is as unoffensive, as non threat as it can possibly get, right?
But I was convinced that the FBI was stealing the letters.
And according to the tracking code, the letter was received and signed for at Mar a Lago, and they signed with Secret Service instead of with a name.
Usually it was something like Anthony and New York and Andrew in Mar a Lago who signed for it the first time around.
So Secret Service signed for the tracking.
And when I went a week later and I reported to the police checkpoint on the public bridge, okay, they called out the Secret Service and they had no idea I was going to come.
They had no idea that I'm coming that day, even though the exact day and time was written in my letter.
So that was the ultimate proof that the FBI was stealing correspondence from President Trump's private residence from the Secret Service.
So at the time, I said to the guy, please inform.
The president and Sean Curran about this as soon as possible.
I saw, I was there, I think 20 minutes to 10.
I said I would be there at 10.
And 20 minutes before, I was standing on the bridge, just marveling how a journalist was parked on the bridge, had his camera set up, and was filming into Mar-a-Lago 24-7, which is illegal in Europe.
But hey, you know.
So I was just talking to that guy.
And then, you know, I talk, and while I was talking to the journalist, I saw the motorcade leave.
So, maybe Trump went golfing that day or went to work.
This was back before he was president again.
And I said to the Secret Service agent, make it your personal mission to make sure don't delegate this.
Tell Sean Curran that letters to him are being stolen.
And the logic behind it was that even if they want to smear us two as kooks, they would still warn the gate that some kook will be turning up Monday morning at 10.
But they had no idea, none.
And so that was in December.
Then after that, when we still didn't hear back, well, actually, we did hear kind of back because two days later, Christopher Wray resigned from the FBI.
48 hours later, this guy was gone.
And this was a man who was holding on to his position like a barnacle to a ship hull.
He was saying, oh, his post doesn't expire until whatever, 2029 or 2030.
And he didn't want to resign.
He still had to get some of that into the room in the burn bags.
Do you think his firing was related to the discovery they were intercepting these correspondents?
I so hope so.
In my heart, I am vindictive enough to so hope so because at the time, you know, Christopher Ray literally refused to resign.
And there was no, you know, you always need a reason to suck a government official.
I'm sure Trump can do it, but it's always nicer with a reason.
And that guy had been in the press just adamantly refusing to leave.
And he was, you know, preparing for a fight.
And then Monday morning, I talked to the Secret Service and I tell them, please, can you please, you know, explain this?
And, you know, 48 hours later, the guy quit.
I think he quit on Wednesday, Wednesday morning.
But on Wednesday morning, it was almost like Trump got back, slept over it.
On Tuesday, he made a call to the FBI and said, You're either going to, you know, get lost or else.
Because this was after November, this was in December.
So Trump had already been reelected, but was not in office yet.
So Trump could have called him and said, You, your people just stole my private correspondence from my private property.
You either get lost or else.
And then, you know, after this phone call the next morning, that guy just took his stuff and left.
That's what the chronological sequence looked like.
But then we didn't hear anything back.
So we waited.
Trump was inaugurated.
I kept tracking the same network that was trying to kill him and they were doing, preparing more and more.
So when it got scary, I eventually, I mean, there's also other incidents that happened to Christy Nome.
She had a weird allergic reaction and had to be hospitalized.
Pam Bondi, her cornea detached spontaneously.
She had to be hospitalized.
And that's also, I think, why she couldn't go to the meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell, if I get the chronology right.
And that's why she had to send Todd Blanche, I think, or her representative at the time.
Doesn't matter.
But the point is that we went, I again sent a letter and I said, I please would like to hand in evidence to the Secret Service about the network regarding the assassination attempts, you know, and directed energy weapons and non consensual implants, blah, blah, blah.
And I announced the date, and I said, if the date doesn't suit you, I can go anywhere else but TC, any other date and time, just let me know.
I just want to hand over the evidence so that you have it.
We didn't hear back.
When I went on this April 7th, they again pretended they never heard of me.
Like, you know, that's the third time you came.
So I was there April 7th.
Catherine, how could they have not heard of you?
This is all computerized.
Your name would be in their touch of a button.
This is absurd.
Yeah, it's about basically.
Because there are two things.
Number one is protecting the president right now, protecting his appointees.
And I think the president and his appointees still think that targeting is something that affects poor people, that affects the rabble like us, the hoi polloi.
Well, even these cases with Christy Nome and the detached retina could be effects.
I mean, for Christmas.
But I'm telling you this, but I never actually got to have a meeting with a Secret Service agent where I explained that, look, this sounds like a pulse energy projectile shot to the eyeball.
Yeah.
You know, so, but that has never been said officially to any of these people.
But what was really annoying is that I drove to DC and on the morning, again, Monday morning, 10 a.m., I turn up, just as I'd announced, to hand over evidence and they pretend like they've never heard of me.
They called the uniform division.
They tried to fob me off.
It was actually the first time it was quite ridiculous because I was just standing there saying, hey, as I announced, I would like to hand over evidence.
Can I talk to somebody?
Do you have anybody queued up?
Right?
They have 8,000 people.
Right.
I think half of it is the investigative division.
Right.
I'm not a nobody.
The intel agencies consider me so high profile, they try to murder me several times.
So, do they have a stinking special agent?
So, they called the uniform division.
But before that, they also tried to fob me off.
This, like, really elegantly looking black guy turned up.
He just zoomed out from behind the security perimeter and said, You have to leave now.
And before that, I was talking to the Polish security guard at the gate.
And I said, Fine, I'm going to leave now.
But I need a name attached to this executive decision to block me from handing in evidence.
So, what's your name?
And as soon as I asked for a name, that guy fled.
He ran through the metal detectors back into the building.
It was like a Harry Potter spell, you know, just like poof.
And I remember looking at the Polish guy going, Who the hell was that?
And he just said, I don't know.
Maybe you should know who's inside your building.
But anyway, so it was really dodgy.
And to this day, I had no proof that Sean Kerr never got any of these, right?
Because other people opened his post.
Then we tried again on May 1st, same routine.
And then I thought maybe it's because I'm not an American citizen.
So I took you along for July 14th.
That was the third time we went to the Secret Service.
They didn't know anything.
Bill Betty, they never heard of him either.
He's not on their list.
Every time we overnighted a letter, plenty ahead of time.
I think it arrived a week ahead of time every time.
But already the UPS tracking code and also the FedEx tracking code showed that our letters were intercepted and diverted to Chantilly in Virginia.
And I said to you, What the hell is in Chantilly?
And you said, Oh, the CIA University.
Well, CIA.
Yeah, CIA.
So.
Bill, I want your take on this.
I mean, it's just shocking.
This should have been absolutely routine.
There should have been nothing unusual.
Raised resignation.
I wouldn't be surprised if all of it were related.
Your thoughts?
Well, I look at it this way.
There was no reason at all.
I mean, they were supposed to accept evidence of people who think there are crimes going on or about to be committed or whatever.
Yes.
And they're supposed to accept the evidence, not reject it, for God's sake.
I mean, when people come in to try to do that, they're supposed to take it in and say, is this.
Reliable, if so, we need to investigate it.
You know, that's kind of serious stuff.
It's not as though you're a couple of crackpots wandering off the street.
I mean, give me a break.
No.
By the way, we also shared with them the way to fix the entire government in a write up.
They wouldn't accept that either on paper.
They had to take a picture of it, okay?
Well, they took a picture of your data, which was not even the write up.
They took a picture of the write up.
They were photographing somebody, man.
You know, you had the example of these Dubai companies.
Oh, yeah.
Well, boxes.
So they just photographed that randomly without rhyme or reason.
But the crazy thing is, they've refused printed papers.
Yeah.
If I'm holding them, I can lick them.
They don't have anthrax on it.
It's open, it's in my hand.
It's fine.
Right.
But they also refused thumb drives, even though they have an entire cyber division.
Can one of them run a virus scanner over it and stick it into a, you know, a dummy laptop, you know, or virtual machine?
Right.
Right.
Exactly.
It was so.
Idiotic and moronic, the whole thing.
It's easy to scan for executable.
Yeah, it's just, come on.
You should be able, there's no email.
We tried the phone.
They absolutely refused to pass us on to anybody.
The phone is a dead end.
They never call back.
When I was there the second time, they asked me if they can call you.
And then here I saw the missed call.
It rang twice and you didn't manage to get to the phone in time.
And by the time you tried to call back, it was again a deadline.
Deadline.
You know, you're not, you're, you're, Sent to reception, so it is physically impossible to pass evidence to the secret freaking service.
They fake the caller ID display.
Yeah, they do that too, right?
It's like a deep state operation.
And at no point did I have any evidence that it ever freaking reached Sean Curran.
Because if he had just turned around and sent us a staple email and said, Thank you, but no thank you, don't call us, we'll call you, fine.
But there's no evidence that it ever reached any level of, you know, Executive level with brains.
It was shocking.
So that was 24.
I think the intelligence is inversely proportional to grade.
Yes.
But the FBI is controlling the flow of information to the president, even if it's of vital importance to his own security.
I mean, that's stunning.
That's a typical thing that intelligence agencies do too.
They control what they see.
Yeah, but it's just by now, you know, with the FBI, everybody knows it is corrupt beyond redemption.
But the only actual solid proof I've seen of the president's life being saved was exclusively, purely the Secret Services Protective Division, which is again something different from the Investigative Division, which does financial crime and counterfeiting and shit like that.
That's really like, you know, we're so past it.
Every dollar in circulation is digitally created, counterfeit.
So, really, that's not the highest priority when people's lives are at stake.
And I was right about the network that I was monitoring because I could predict, I think, pretty much almost to the exact day, the stuff when they found the sniper's nest.
So, on the Friday, I was bouncing off the walls when I heard that they were playing time to say goodbye in the Rose Garden because the chatter I had monitored as a private person with a $200 refurbished Walmart laptop was already hinting.
At Trump getting shot that day related to aviation.
And then two days later, I find out that the day before that Friday, the Secret Service had found a sniper's nest.
So, you know, a discussion.
That was the golf course, right?
That was the golf course sniper's nest.
Oh, no, no, not the golf course.
This is the Beach International Airport.
Yeah, at the airport.
Yes.
Now, there's more than that.
There's more than that.
So, this is just the warm up backstory, okay?
We have been trying, autumn 24, the whole of 25, to get through to the Secret Service.
I'm not even going to try the FBI.
Airport Sniper Nests Found 00:15:02
I know who they are.
I'm not going to try.
But Secret Service Protective Division have proven that they are who they say they are, right?
So I'm still persevering.
Sean Curran is from the Protective Division.
I keep trying.
So this event came up at Mar-a-Lago and it was called the We the People Gala and it had a fundraiser called We Support the Blue.
So there were a lot of police people, you know, people from all parts of the government related to law enforcement.
And special guest was Sean Curran.
And I thought, right, I'm going to buy tickets for this event.
I'm going to invest $1,500 into tickets and just go and see if I can at least get close to him and see his face and hand over my details and make it clear to somebody in his, you know, one of his assistants just how bloody important this is.
I wouldn't be trying for over a year if there weren't more and more incidents that show me that the next attack on the president will be a directed energy weapon attack.
At some point, they will stop pissing around with bullets because with directed energy weapons, they are silent.
You can fire as many shots as you like.
You know, it's insane.
So, anyway, I went last Wednesday.
I drove down and I drove.
I drove.
Oh, my God.
It was so long, but I didn't want to climb into a plane, you know, because they might take it down.
This time, though, you didn't have a group of cars trying to run you off the road or something like that.
Surprisingly, not.
I was almost doubting myself, Jim.
I was like, why is nobody trying to kill me on the road?
The car kept working.
You know, yeah, that was good.
I got there and back without a hitch.
Actually, we had the car inspected days before, we had it serviced by our guy, car guy.
It had the all clear, and the car ran wonderfully.
And nobody even tried to, you know, pull the bit maneuver on me.
I was like, wow, what is this?
So, anyway, I drove down the next day.
I went into the event, and there's lots of interesting stuff.
And the closest I got, I mean, Sean Curran was late, so by the time he arrived, uh, people had been waiting here for him forever, and there was, I think, a A crowd of about 150 people who wanted to take photographs with him.
So it was pretty impossible to get anywhere close.
But I spoke to his protective detail, I think the guy second in command, and I explained it to him.
And I said, Look, this is really bloody important.
Okay.
And there are not many people out there who do what I do, which is investigate the intelligence agencies.
But more than that, Jim, just before what?
A couple of weeks ago, there was the Mar a Lago shooter.
Do you remember the guy with the gas canister and the shotgun breaking into Mar a Lago?
Being shot dead, supposedly?
Well, I already, when I read the details, I thought that guy's trip mirrored mine almost perfectly.
There were so many details about him I don't want to get into that mirrored personal details in my story of how I'd driven down to Mar-a-Lago, right?
So I thought it was a false flag.
Okay.
I actually thought this gunman was just entirely staged.
The only evidence we have of it is one photograph of a gas canister and a gun on tarmac.
I don't even know where that tarmac is because, you know, it's tiled.
The drive into Mar a Lago is tiled.
I'm not sure if the second road up is tarmac.
Anyway, so many questions.
And who the hell would confront the Secret Service with a shotgun?
I mean, how many rounds do you have in a shotgun?
You know, it's so weird.
But anyway, so I already went to Mar a Lago thinking I'm going to investigate this whole story of the shooter after the event.
So imagine my surprise when during the gala event, we are in the ballroom of Mar a Lago.
And suddenly, it sounded like an explosion of glass, shattering glass everywhere.
At first, I thought staff had toppled over one of these two layered metal carts where they take all the cutlery and the plates and the glasses in a hotel upstairs, right?
These serving trays.
And it sounded like an entire serving tray full of glasses had just toppled over.
There was so much shattering glass, it just went on and on.
And then we were told oh, somebody collapsed.
Then shortly after, we were told that the person who collapsed, oh, Jim, just so happened to be the police officer who shot the Mar-a-Lago shooter.
Really?
Yeah.
How convenient.
How?
Yes, exactly, right?
So I went up to the protective detail of Sean Curran and I said, by the way, before you guys turned up, funny thing happened.
The guy who supposedly shot the Mar-a-Lago shooter just so happened to collapse right here in this room over there.
Spectacularly.
I mean, you know, if you just have a heart attack, heaven forbid, or you faint, you kind of collapse.
But to cause that much glass damage, you have to fall like Leslie Nielsen would fall in the naked gun, you know, onto the table, roll down, pull the tablecloth, pull an entire deck of 10 sets of, you know, plates and glasses.
It was insane.
So the whole thing just sounded ridiculous.
And when I heard, oh, yeah, it just happened to be that guy.
So I said to him, look, What's that story?
Did you guys were you guys told?
Can you tell me anything more?
And he said, Oh, that guy was not Secret Service.
He was from the sheriff's office.
I think they call it the PBSO Palm Beach Sheriff Office.
Okay.
So that's the guy who shot the Mar-a-Lago shooter, police guy.
Now, this is important because where the shooter supposedly parked, there are cameras everywhere, Jim.
There are street cameras.
There are so many street cameras.
It's not funny.
They come in sets of four.
All right, along the street.
It is, I think, impossible to walk down, especially at 1 30 a.m., when there's nobody walking in this super wealthy neighborhood on the street or on the beach with a shotgun and a glass canister without actually showing up.
More than that, there's a police checkpoint blocking the road towards Mar-a-Lago.
So after the event, I actually pulled up to that police checkpoint and I said, Excuse me, sir, has this been around forever or is this new since the shooter?
Broke into Mar a Lago.
And he said, Oh, no, no, no.
This has been here from the beginning.
So I was like, Hey, so how do you get past this Palm Beach Sheriff's Office checkpoint?
And the Palm Beach Sheriff Office cameras to be shot by a Palm Beach Sheriff Office officer who then just so happens to attend the very same meeting I am attending and just so happens to be collapsing in the ballroom, right?
Total bullshit, okay?
And then to top it off, the day after the event, I cruised past the place where they found the sniper's nest or the location announced by Benny Johnson.
That's the only information I have.
It turns out I thought it was on the parking lot of the Army Reserve, but no!
It is at the back of the Palm Beach Sheriff Office Forensic and Technical Unit.
Really?
Yes.
That sniper's lair?
That sniper's nest is in a.
Are you kidding me?
Within their fence.
I didn't go as far as checking the deed and the lot of if the deed is really owned by the sheriff's office, but if you look on Google Maps, it is next to that sniper's nest, it was next to the Army Reserve.
Both of them are completely sealed off, of course, right?
So, you don't just rock up and go there with a shotgun and build a little, you know, high stand up in the forest without being seen by somebody.
But the point is that this whole Mar-a-Lago shooter bullshit from start to end and the sniper's nest seems to all link back to the Palm Beach Sheriff's Office.
Well, that's not good.
I mean, how loud.
And did they find it on the film when they had all the cameras, or did it mysteriously disappear?
The cameras weren't working that day.
I have no idea.
I'm literally going to write a, what's it called, a FOIA request and say, tell me, how did that work?
How do you work?
Because it's a long walk.
The guy, the location of his car was published and it's next to a landmark called the Worthy Avenue Clock Tower.
And you can see it in the police pictures.
And that's another thing, Jim.
The police pictures are always taken such that you can see his parking car and you can see the clock tower in the background.
Should you be confused about where this guy parked?
So I already thought, oh, there's something relevant about that location.
So on Google Maps, when I checked it out, sure enough, opposite from the clock tower, there's two Masonic double pillars, you know, a super wealthy little Masonic street.
So Masons are us.
It is so embarrassing.
Oh, God.
Yeah, exactly.
So, really, to the point when somebody actually gives me a pathologist report with pictures of his dead and rotting corpse.
I will not believe a bleeding word of this Mar a Lago shooter story.
But, you know, the point is that again, if I had to point fingers this time, it's not even, I mean, it is the FBI because they control the police.
But this time, it is almost 100% purely Palm Beach Sheriff's Office that's responsible for the shit from start to end.
This is just absurd.
But my worry would be they might pull a real deal on you, you know, I mean, of course.
Look, that was my worry all the way until I got here.
Until I got back.
Ridiculous.
Bill, I mean, this is insulting.
Oh, you have to consider the class of intellect you're dealing with here.
Yes, yes, yes.
You have to have people who can think, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who are open and receptive to listening.
Yes, yes, yes.
I don't think we have that in either case here.
Yeah, I think the interception of the correspondence is so serious.
I think if Trump learned of it, he could very well demand raves.
Step down.
I mean, it's that serious, especially when you're talking about threats to his life.
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, but the other thing that happened so there was more.
I don't really want to, I never really want to talk about private conversations I have with people, but I just happened to run into somebody at Mar a Lago who was, well, according to his statement, I can't check it, but he's a family friend of the Trumps.
And I said to him also, please, I beg you, please, we are, we don't want anything.
I don't want money, fame, or anything.
I just want to hand in the evidence.
Because I have studied this network and they are still at it.
Please, if you can get through to the Trumps, you know, I just want to hand over the evidence.
You do what you want with it, right?
But at the moment, it's being withheld from them.
I'm 100% sure because it ties straight back to the White House, the people who literally are plotting and continue to plot to kill President Trump.
So that's sort of, but in the conversation, he also shared other details with me where I thought, Holy shit, there's so much more.
He told me that he had reported something and then had received half a dozen of Secret Service interviews.
And I said to him, you know what?
You reported this and they did half a dozen of interviews with you.
And I'm trying to report something about assassination attempts, which isn't, you know, which is graver than what you flagged.
What you flagged was bad enough.
But what I'm flagging is putting, you know, people's lives being put in danger.
And the Secret Service refuses, freaking refuses the information.
What the hell is going on?
So I said, please, could you just bypass all this bullshit and just talk to the Trump family?
Can we talk to them maybe and then bypass the Secret Service or they tell Sean Curran that this is going on?
Still don't know if he knows.
I have no idea what he knows because there are so many deep state gatekeepers at any point and you never know what exactly he is told about us.
Because we had, I was accused of what?
Of being a double agent by a woman who was called Dumbledore.
Ramullah Damaraj, who destroyed my investigative team in 2018.
When I came here, Kirk accused me of being what a CIA assassin out to kill you.
That was his, you know, good old friend.
I think we suspect he was working with General McInerney and General Valerie, the latter of which I think worked with one of those satanic generals, I think Aquino or one of the other ones.
Doesn't matter.
Valerie is a, you know, bag of beans and himself.
But anyway, We have been smeared.
You have been smeared, set up by the FBI.
They had a fraudulent raid.
They accused you of leaking stuff, which they knew was actually Thomas Tom from inside the DOJ.
Yep.
Well, and they fabricated evidence and tried to use it to indict us.
But I caught them at it, so they ran away.
But otherwise, we could have been all in jail because of that.
They were just making up evidence and fabricating stuff, framing people.
Now, that tells you what kind of FBI we had.
And Ray was a part of that.
I mean, he was a part of that BI.
Yeah.
Plus, there's so much more that they hadn't even addressed it, talking about those people who tried to kill Trump.
The guy, how many phones, he had so many cell phones.
The guy in Butler had so many cell phones in his car.
And so, you know.
The same with Ryan Ruth.
And what is the extent of the communication he was using on all his phones?
Did anybody look at that?
Nobody said a word about that.
And the same is true with this other guy.
They said he didn't have any.
Any activity on the social network.
And then they're finding out later, yeah, he did.
Yeah.
But even when they.
What kind of incompetence are we dealing with here?
That's why I say the question is the level of the IQ that we're dealing with here is kind of low.
I think what is happening, and this is because you mentioned that they first claimed Thomas Crooks had no social media.
Then they released his social media messages.
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And I remember that at the time, Dan Bongino was still doing a show and they released these messages.
And as soon as I read them, I was writing to him saying, because he was the first one to talk about it.
I said, look at the language.
That's not Gen Z. That's a freaking boomer or Gen X, late Gen X, because Gen Z doesn't use words like moreover, moreover, right?
Never.
Nevertheless.
Yeah, you can drop the wording from the fact that the person knew how to use punctuation.
It dates them, right?
So even the text messages they released were not, most definitely not from Thomas Crooks.
So it's ridiculous.
But the point is that this whole trip was, first of all, I found out that, you know, for much less, you can get already half a dozen of Secret Service interviews.
I'm not going to talk about the content of the discussion, but that was for me the take home message.
Meanwhile, we can't even hand, we don't, let alone get a meeting, we can't even hand over evidence.
There's no email.
There is no, you know, they don't take papers.
They don't take thumb drives.
They don't answer their phones.
We can't get through to anybody even by phone.
It's just like a completely sealed off system, almost like there's like a deep state shell around the protective division, which is generally trying to protect the president.
But the investigative division, it's like a metal sphere.
You just can't get in.
No information can ever get in.
They don't give a shit.
And then to top it all off, anything to do with attacks on the protectees, if it's an already successful attempt, at least, is being passed to the FBI under a so called memorandum of understanding between the Secret Service and the FBI.
FBI, that attacks on their protectees are not investigated by the Secret Service.
This is the dumbest fucking thing ever.
Because what it really should be, there should be two independent investigations within the Secret Service and within the FBI independently, right?
But if you pass it to the FBI, well, the FBI is who did Butler.
FBI and CIA pulled off Butler and the West Palm Beach golf thing.
And yes, the sniper's nest.
And yes, all the other shit.
And yes, with the help of the PBSO, the Mar-a-Lago shooter, if there ever was such a thing, which I seriously doubt, right?
And it was all them.
So if you pass the investigation to them, what's going to happen?
Oh, the FBI is going to shut it down like Kash Patel just did, you know?
Kash Patel, I mean, there's another very peculiar appointment.
I mean, the guy's as incompetent as any director in our history.
How does this happen?
How do we get these people in these positions?
It's outrageous.
I think, I mean, Trump, like us, he only has 24 hours in the day.
And it's known, what's it called?
Behavioral scientists know that you can only really keep in touch with about 60 people in your life.
Effectively.
Anything beyond that, you're reliant on referrals.
And Trump is reliant on referrals to recruit people.
So that's why he goes with media personalities where he has some track record he saw himself, like Judge Janine.
Kash Patel wrote this book, Government Gangsters, which I swear was ghostwritten.
Right.
So he just, and I think Kash Patel was part of the legal team of Trump's.
But Dan Bongino was a rumble personality, you know, media personality.
So he picks those because he.
That's the only best information he has on people.
But the problem is that that is really easy to spoof.
Talking is for free.
Anybody can ghostwrite a book, use AI, it's done in half an hour.
And then they can mimic somebody who's a dedicated patriot.
But you have to pick people who have decades, like at least a decade, two or three, like him here, a proven track record of actual solid work.
If you appoint them to these highly technical agencies, because if you want to run the FBI correctly, Just like the Secret Service, there's so much technical knowledge you need to have.
You can't have an outside appointment.
You need somebody who has been in the organization and has been trained by the organization.
So I think that's why Trump is still alive because he did pick Sean Curran.
Sean Curran, I can tell, investigated a deep, sorry, inherited a deep state shitfest that he's trying to, you know, get on the right track.
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And he's trying, starting with the protective division.
Meanwhile, the investigative division.
It is a hopeless affair.
I think that's what's happening.
I talk too much.
You're talking.
You're talking.
Oh, how fascinating.
Love it.
Love it.
Bill, isn't it?
It's a really serious series of experiences there with the federal government and different departments.
But anyway, they just haven't followed up on a lot of stuff they could do.
I mean, they didn't even have to, they should have been able to pick that stuff out in advance without, you know, guessing.
I mean, or waiting till the event happens, for God's sake.
I mean, that's why I say the intelligence community has all the information necessary to figure out the potential enemies and people who have bad things in mind.
Before they do them.
They've already got the capability to do that, they just don't know how to do it.
No, I mean, like after 9 11, they used a two degree principle I had internally, and NSA, and NSA passed all those tact two degree things down to uh, down to FBI, and FBI went out and arrested uh, several thousand, uh Muslims and had them in the jails for I don't know how long and questioning them and all it turns out none of them uh, none of them that they found were anyway connected with it.
But that's because that two degree thing was a zone of suspicion, not one of guilt.
I don't think they actually did it for real.
I think the deep state FBI back then at 9 11, on purpose, was trying to cause as much havoc and whip up this, oh, Muslim, Muslim, Islamist.
I wasn't trying to attribute motives.
I was just saying what they did.
I am.
Because the thing is, back then, if you remember, after 9 11, they had a reason to whip up.
I mean, look, anybody from Germany.
You know, by the time it happened, by the time I got home, my parents and my parents greeted me with, Have you seen that the Americans took the towers down?
There was like, you know, when we saw it in Europe, there was no doubt in our minds it was the Americans, as in the military, the CIA, the usual suspects.
And then we watched for like two and a half decades, you know, how the shit show panned out.
But here within the US, they were whipping up the scene.
Oh my God, we're surrounded by these Muslim cells and these Islamist cells.
So, you know, when they announced that the FBI arrested, Thousands of people.
It's like, oh my God, we're surrounded.
You know, it's them, it's them, it's them.
We have to, that's why we have to invade Afghanistan because 19 Saudis flew from Hamburg, Germany and took down towers in New York.
That's why we have to invade Afghanistan.
I mean, that was the reason, right?
So they needed the Islamist thing.
So they needed thousands of arrests.
Otherwise, it looks a bit silly.
Just imagine you would have run your program and it would have gone after three seconds, as you tell me, it would have returned the network of, oh, it was George Bush and, you know, Cheney, what's his name, Cheney, and all these others, right?
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Tenants.
It was them, those five.
Well, you could look at it like the Butler affair when Sean Curran was asking for more support to protect the president in that big rally, and he didn't get it because they transferred it to a closed.
A closed meeting with the wife of Biden, Biden's wife, Jill Biden, in Pittsburgh, I think it was.
Yeah.
But so they took stuff and overloaded a closed area where she was inside a building, inside a room, you know.
It was a controlled area.
And it was not at risk, obvious.
That was just extremely low.
Nobody would have conducted the mercy killing.
Give us a GED about Jill Biden for crying out loud.
I know.
But here's the thing about that.
Now that you remind me that it was in Pittsburgh, because I keep forgetting that the Jill Biden thing was in Pittsburgh.
Because note, Butler, the people from the actual US state who were there and the what's it called, the site agents, they have like four very similar sounding names the site agent, the event agent, like whatever.
They have four agents with similar titles.
And two or three of them came from the Pittsburgh office.
So when you take maybe the brains and keep them busy with securing Jill Biden.
And then you have, I don't know, I don't want to say it out loud, but maybe the dregs of the Pittsburgh office then to secure the butler.
So basically, what I'm saying is all the senior corrupt guys had a plausible deniability for an arse covering exercise and claim, oh, well, I wasn't there because I was busy protecting the first lady, you know?
And then you send some junior guys who you know are idiots to secure butler and then forget to put snipers on the roof or you misunderstand with the local police.
Do you see what I mean?
Because it was the Pittsburgh office that would have supplied these people.
So it was the Pittsburgh office that was weighed down by this Jill Biden event.
Forgot about that.
Now it all makes sense.
Now I see how the bastards did it.
I think I figured it out.
Yes.
Well, they basically made it possible to happen.
Yes.
Yeah.
Plausible deniability.
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That's always caked in.
Well, I just say, like Bongino said at one point, you know, incompetence in sequence, time and again, sometimes gets to be intended, intentions.
So incompetence sums up to intentions after so many events.
Yeah, yeah.
But some of this incompetence is so egregious that, you know, a simpleton would know better.
I mean, it's clearly by design, by design.
Absolutely.
But you know, it's also the design is also so ridiculous because that's what happened last Thursday.
You know, as soon as the glass already shattered, and I should say that they had this whole gala dinner, they had a fundraiser, but they also had, they read out the prayer written by his name is, I think, Nick Menster, one of the guys who ran on stage to protect President Trump at Butler.
He wrote a prayer for law enforcement, right?
Because they never know if they're making it home.
They read that out, and I can't remember if it was that prayer or a prayer that was added by the priest that was there, you know, reading this out.
But this guy collapsed perfectly in a rhetorical pause in this whole prayer thing.
It was as though it were a theatrical performance, exactly.
So when I already heard the shattering glass, not knowing, I literally my thought was, Oh, here we go again.
And I remember sitting at the table when they said, Oh.
The guy who collapsed was this guy.
My first thought was, I'm going to go up there, but I knew I will not rise from this table because if I go up there, I will be like, Excuse me, excuse me, shake this guy and go, Ricky, Ricky, the show is over.
You can get paid now.
Get up.
Right?
It's fake.
The whole thing is fake.
Nobody collapses so perfectly timed, so threat theatrically, breaking so many Mar a Lago glasses in the process and just so fucking happens to be the guy who shot the shooter.
So, anyway, it just confirms that.
But here's the thing.
How can we, the people, find out if there even is somebody in the morgue who is the supposed shooter?
How do you find that out?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, there are lots of bodies and lots of mortgages that you could easily sign a tow tag, you know.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Also, was there anything?
How do I check that there was really an ambulance that carried a dead body somewhere, you know?
Where's the body bag?
I want to see the receipt for the body bag, the actual checking of the body in and all that.
There's so much paperwork that should exist.
And the question is can the public foyer it?
Because so much just doesn't add up about this whole story.
Even about the name of this guy, you know, Austin Tucker Carlson, Austin Tucker Martin.
I blurted out that I actually think the three names are all representative for three people who are pissing off the cabal right now.
One of them is Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, Tucker and Candace and Clayton and a few others.
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I want to flip the script and ask you about the guy in the White House.
I mean, we've had a number of incidents of late that have raised.
Questions about him.
Of course, the most stunning being that image of him as Jesus.
I mean, he claimed he was just a doctor.
There's a spoof of this that is so brilliant.
I may have to track it down to share with you.
It's just so good.
Then, of course, followed it up with Jesus comforting him.
And of course, we know he's not Christian.
I mean, he said that to a group of Christians.
He said, you know, how he loves Christians.
I'm not a Christian, but I love Christians.
Then we have, you know, the Arc de Trump.
You've seen the design.
I mean, it's more massive than the Arc de Triumph.
We, of course, have the ballroom.
We have the redesignation of the Kennedy Center as the Donald J. Trump and John F. Kennedy Center.
I mean, these raise questions.
And you guys are very sympathetic to the Donald, more so, I think, at this point than am I.
I just want your take on.
How do you assess all this?
Here's the thing.
I remember Trump distinctly saying that he said he doesn't have time to deal with this Kennedy Center bullshit.
He's just too busy.
And he himself said in a press conference that it was Susie Wiles who said, no, sir, it would be good if you did this.
So the whole Kennedy, him getting into the Kennedy Center and refurbishing it, that came from Susie Wiles.
He didn't even want to do it.
Now, then they renamed it.
I don't know whose idea it was.
The one they renamed, for example, the Palm Beach International.
I think on July 1st, it will be known as Donald J. Trump International, something.
And the airport acronym will change worldwide from PBI to DJT.
But I think that the renaming of the airport and also the renaming of the Boulevard, Southern Boulevard in front of Mar a Lago to Donald J. Trump Boulevard, I think that is DeSantis doing.
And Ron DeSantis is now majorly licking us on an industrial grade because he wants to get into the administration.
And he just had a meeting a couple of days ago with Trump about being given a position.
I think, you know, I think I was told what's usual is that governors become senators and then they make their way into federal politics.
But Ron DeSantis is super keen to be given something for next year because I think his term is up in November.
And he wants to climb up the political, you know, greasy pole to the next bit.
So I suspect that this whole renaming was fluffing that was coming from Ron DeSantis and I think from people in DC who wanted to distract him from other stuff that's going on in DC.
And that's why they said, okay, the Kennedy Center will keep him busy.
I can't resist sharing this with you.
Let me pull it up here.
I mean, that's at least my take.
What do you think?
Okay, you can see the screen, can you hear?
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Okay, get this, get this.
I did post it, and it wasn't meant to be Jesus at all.
It was meant to be me as a doctor.
And I would have been a great doctor because I make people better.
I knew Jesus, he wasn't a doctor, he was a carpenter, we know that.
But he could have been a doctor if he was a Jewish guy.
He was a great Jewish guy.
He could have been a great doctor, as a lot of Jewish people are.
But I could have been a doctor too, and we have Dr. Oz, who's a great doctor.
We love Dr. Oz.
But that's what it was meant to portray.
I mean, I could have been a gynecologist, and with these hands, I guarantee you there's no problem.
I could have done all kinds of things in medicine.
You know, I could have stitched people up just like I sealed the southern border.
I'm very good at that.
You know what Biden would have been if he was a doctor?
He would have been a doctor without borders.
That's what he would have been, because that's what this country was.
It was run by a doctor without borders, and we fixed that.
I could have been a gastro, you know, giving people beautiful colonoscopies, beautiful colonoscopies, opening them up like the Strait of Hormuz.
I would have done that.
And so that's what that's depicting.
It's me as a doctor.
Dr. Jesus.
Sorry, what?
Dr. Jesus.
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Did you get that at the end?
Isn't that amazing?
That guy is so brilliant.
I've never seen a parody as good as that, ever, ever.
Isn't that amazing?
You know, the Trump impressions are just getting better and better.
But, you know, I think, I really think Trump finds these hilarious himself.
I really think so.
Because this is one thing that everybody I've met.
Just said that in private, Donald Trump is just, he's just hilarious.
He's just a really funny guy, a really kind and generous friend who's looking out for everybody he knows and trusts.
It's just like really, and he has great humor.
That's what I just kept hearing from people who had no incentive of lying to me.
So I don't know.
I think he puts these things out to really provoke people.
And my personal favorite is when he put out the one about talking to the ship.
That broke the blockade.
And he said, What did he say?
I told you so.
I told you so not to do it.
Hilarious.
That's my favorite.
Well, what do you think about this situation with the war, though?
I mean, you know, he's got a blockade over the blockade.
Iran has now said they're not going to open the strait until America bolts back its blockade.
They won't even go to Islamabad to meet because we have lost our credibility by.
Entering negotiation, the mid of a negotiation, we attack Iran.
I mean, it's happened twice.
They're not going to fall for it a third time.
I just wonder, the consequences are so serious for the whole world.
I mean, you know, some people talk.
I've got a friend who said, Well, we got a lot of oil right here in the United States.
We don't need the Straits.
But this is a worldwide problem.
We could have, because it's not only oil, as you know, it's fertilizer, it's helium, it's a whole lot of things that are really, really important.
I'm just worried about the catastrophe that's unfolding before our eyes, and he's really not equal to the task.
I don't think he understands it militarily.
I don't think he understands it even diplomatically or politically.
I think he's at a total loss.
He was following Bibi's lead.
He was convinced that a strike taken out of the leadership would lead to a revolution by the people, which was never going to come to pass.
But my impression is even Hadam Mossad had that idea.
So, I mean, there it is.
How can we work our way out of it?
You want to go on there?
Well, I personally don't think that the situation is that bad for us.
I mean, I think he's wasting his time even going to Islamabad to have any kind of talks with them.
He should just keep the blockade going and just say, if you don't do this by this date, we're coming and bombing the shit out of you.
Because that regime must go.
It's an evil regime.
It's been killing people, our people, and other people around the world, their own people.
They kill tens of thousands of them.
And they don't care.
It's a religious fanatics running it.
And that must go.
I mean, they were sponsoring terrorism all around the world.
I know that from the networks I watched and monitored in the NSA.
Those people were sponsoring all these terror groups around the world, telling them what to do and funding them.
So, as far as I'm concerned, for the world, it's better that that regime ends one way or another.
If it takes another month or two to do it, so be it.
Joe can't.
Was of course number two under Tulsi counterterrorism said Iran poses no threat to the United States.
Yeah, that's bullshit.
They're killing our people for Christ's sake.
What's he talking about?
Which killings are you talking about?
This is going into our bases overseas.
Take that.
Well, they are after we attacked.
How about beheading journalists?
How about that?
Or beheading other people in their own country that they had, journalists they had captured.
Bill, I've been to Iran.
I was there in 2014.
I've read a couple of nice things.
I have friends who are on your team.
Everything I've learned about Iran contradicts the claims you're making here.
I mean, it's very distressing to me that you and Catherine have these views so strongly divergent from those I've accumulated.
Well, time will tell exactly which one of us is right.
Yeah, the thing is, it's the difference.
So, I have met people, for example, I met at, his name was George Ricious, and I think he's passed away since then.
But I met him at St. John's College, Oxford.
He was one of the Emeritus Fellows, and he ran the Oxford University Press, but he was also an MI6 agent.
And he was telling me how he was amazed that during the Cold War, he was traveling on business, of course, as an MI6, but no MI6 agent to communist Romania.
And as he put it, he was received like the queen, red carpet and all.
He never understood it.
Well, I think I understand it better than him because behind the scenes, MY6 and the Amazons are running the show.
But the thing is that when you go as a foreigner and you announce, they put on a show for you.
That doesn't mean that the rest of the population lives like that.
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If you talk to the families that have fled Iran and still have family there, it's an oppressive regime.
If they can go home, which many can't, but if they can go home, it's an oppressive atmosphere where you live your life inside your home in private and you never ever show anything about yourself in public.
So it was never, you know, for women, it was never an open regime at all.
Not by far.
So, my school friend, we just, you know, she has no connections to anything, nothing to the government.
We just happen to be in the same school and grow up together.
Well, when she traveled home, she showed me pictures when they visited family.
They were all, they all had to run around head to toe in these black garbs.
She had to purchase them before she went just to be able to be, you know, one of these black penguins.
And it was super oppressive.
Women can't go to the beach and go swimming, even though there are beaches.
You know, it was a nightmare.
Or if you go swimming, you will swim in that black stuff, that outfit.
You know, it was never an open republic, it was horrifyingly oppressive.
I mean, in fact, I have videos from strip balls, and they look a whole lot like the West.
I don't see everyone wearing the burkas and all that bit.
And you know, let me ask you about specifics.
Does Iran have the right to use enriched uranium for the peaceful purpose of nuclear energy?
Because they have no interest in nuclear weapons.
There's a fatwa against it.
The ayatollah they killed was a principal obstacle to having nuclear weapons.
I personally believe Iran should have nuclear weapons.
But I'm just asking you, in your opinion, are they entitled to have enriched uranium for the purpose of peaceful atomic energy?
Yeah, for the purposes of enriched uranium, that goes to 5% that's usable in the nuclear generation of energy.
But the problem is they went to 60%.
Yeah.
And that's a very short step to nuclear capable stuff.
At 80%, you got weapons there.
Even now, at 60%, they can have a very dirty bomb spreading that radioactive material over a large area.
Here's the thing.
The fundamental question is why would a country that is known for its oil have to rely on uranium, which it has to acquire and enrich laboriously and rely on foreign technology to do so?
Why would anybody ever need uranium for peaceful energy production when you are sitting on oil?
You know, that's the first thing.
So I don't believe these, you know, gypsy goat herders for a second that they ever intended it for peaceful means.
Never.
They were going to entrench this terror regime.
Even though there was a fatwa, even though the Ayatollah had been emphatic about it, it was forbidden.
It was forbidden.
They lie all day.
They lie.
Look, Iran has a history.
Iran goes back.
You know, more than 2,500 years, and since 1775, they haven't launched a war of aggression against any other state.
I wish that could be said of the United States or Israel, but of course, we're the worst, actually, in my opinion, rogue states in the world.
Iran has not launched a war of aggression against any state since 1775.
The Declaration of Independence was 1776.
Does that mean nothing to you?
No, the thing is, but if you say 2,000 years, that wasn't an Islamist regime.
If you go back to the photographs from the 1960s, And in the early 1970s, it looks like a Western country.
Women running around in many colors, in miniskirts, in bathing suits, totally normal.
Everything looks Western.
And then what happened that suddenly those women who were wearing miniskirts, one of them was my best friend's mother, by the way, suddenly was forced to run around in long coats to the floor in a country where it's over 40 degrees Celsius.
So, this Islamist regime that has nothing to do with Iranian culture at all and the veiling and this whole headscarf bullshit.
Never existed in Persian culture.
It's alien to them.
So they had a takeover, a deep capture by a foreign imposed network.
Who knows who they are?
I personally think that they are an MI6 invention to promulgate a great game.
But it has nothing to do with Persian culture.
So something happened in the late 1970s, and then people started fleeing and they can't go back.
So how can that be a friendly regime when they are refugees, like a quarter of a million in LA alone?
You know, let me ask you a third question Is this, you know, Trump and BB have announced four primary goals?
We've talked about two of them.
The third would be Is Iran entitled to have a ballistic missile system for self defense?
They already do.
Well, I mean, unilaterally attacking any number of other countries in the Gulf area, that's not self defense.
But, Bill, that's only in response to their being attacked.
You talk as though Iran attacked the U.S. in the other countries there.
The other countries did not attack them, we did.
We have U.S. bases there.
If they simply attacked our bases there, that would have been fine.
But no, they started attacking all the residential areas of these different cities.
No, even their people come out and said that.
Bill, I'm reporting this shit every goddamn day, and I'm telling you, you're flat out wrong.
I don't believe it.
You're flat out fucking wrong.
They have very precise missiles.
They've been hitting military targets.
The U.S. and Israel have been slaughtering the civilians.
How about the 270 girls wiped out with a thermobaric bomb on the first attack?
I mean, give us a break.
I don't believe that was the U.S., not for a second.
Because it just, there's like no, no, um, that's still being investigated, so yeah.
I, that's a great way to put off admitting responsibility.
It's obvious we were responsible.
I don't think why would they do it?
Do you see what I mean?
Because what it very much fits into is the slaughter of girls as a pawn in a war to create emotional pressure and emotional points is very much like what the Islamists would have done.
I mean, they were executing women all day long, you know.
I, I don't, I don't see it being the you know, general raisin cane sort of way of.
Doing war.
And I very much recognize that the Islamist way of doing war, where women are just basically dispensable.
Well, listen, let me ask you this question as we conclude our conversation for today.
Last Saturday, Trump wanted to use the nuclear codes.
He wanted to attack, ran with nukes.
General Kane stopped him from doing it.
Was it General Ride or was Trump?
I don't think Trump ever wanted to nuke anything.
He does say it.
That's really what got the whole negotiations going again.
You know, I didn't believe it for a second.
I know that there was.
All this hoo ha about him saying that the civilization will be wiped out.
But look, do you guys remember when he used to have, what's his name, Bolton, the big walrus?
He said, yeah?
Did he actually say he's going to use nuclear weapons or he's just going to wipe out their civilization?
I remember him saying he's going to wipe out the civilization.
That's what I remember.
Yeah.
He said he would take out the power plants and the electrical grid and wipe out the civilization.
But, General, it has been reported from inside sources Saturday, this would be a week ago.
That he tried to use a nuclear code and General Kane refused to let him do it.
Who is the source?
Yeah.
Who is the source?
I think it was Hal Turner reporting it.
Yeah.
I don't mean the reporter.
I mean, who was the source who told the reporter who reported it?
Yeah.
I don't have that information, Bill.
But suppose it's.
Suppose it's true.
It might be false, but I'm afraid it is true.
I mean, that worries me.
I think it's both.
I don't believe that.
The whole comment of wiping out the civilization, that's exactly Trump's negotiation tactic.
And he said specifically in his first term, he had Bolton by his side.
And he said that was fantastic because everybody thought that guy was crazy and that he would do anything and they would agree to his terms.
So he knows that being crazy during negotiations is a sort of.
That's a part of the act of it.
It's part of, yeah.
And part of the deal, I didn't believe it for a second.
And you know, since then, I think who did I hear just today saying that nobody?
Oh, yes, there was the um, I think the James O'Keefe um leak who interviewed one of these guys who didn't know that he was talking to a journalist, he thought he was talking to a pretty woman.
And he was saying, no, there was never any intention, and we don't have any nuclear, you know, uh, anything nuclear is earmarked to be fired at them.
So I don't believe it for one second.
And this whole thing of oh, General Kane had to stop him.
That's not even how it works.
Remember, it reminds me of the time when they claimed from an inside source that Trump was trying, like holding, you know, the Secret Service driver, you know, by the throat and was trying to force him to drive to the.
Oh, I know that bullshit about January 6th.
This doesn't appear to be in the same category, in my opinion.
My opinion.
But look, I think you guys are wonderful.
And it just troubles me when people I respect as much as I do you and I are on different sides on an issue as important as this.
So I.
I wouldn't raise it otherwise, but it's so damned important.
It is important.
I really appreciate your wonderful manner, even when I get a little bit carried away, as I have just now.
It's for a good cause, remember that.
Well, you can believe it.
To get to the truth.
You know, the real problem is that so, for so long, we the people have just accepted that in a war, the truth is the first casualty.
And then the military seals itself off and the intelligence agencies, and they have been.
Provably lying about every last war up until now.
And so we assume that they lie just as much.
I think this time they lie slightly less.
That's as far as I can tell.
That's just, I think, where we disagree.
Well, this is Jim Fetzer concluding this real deal special conversation with Bill Binning and Catherine Norton, two of my favorite people in the whole world, mind you.
And I relish these conversations, which will be continued next week.
Thank you for being here.
Wonderful joining you once again.
A little bit of controversy there.
Thank you so much.
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