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Jan. 22, 2026 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (21 January 2026): Katherine Horton & Bill Binney UNDER FIRE!
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Catherine's Unusual Experiences 00:15:10
Welcome to another real deal special event in the ongoing series of interviews with Catherine Horton and Bill Benny, whom I regard as the world's intellectual power cop.
Well, I'm just delighted to have Catherine here once again to myself.
It's a delight.
Catherine, I know you've been undergoing all kinds of unusual experiences, which are commonplace in your life.
Yeah, just to update the viewers what's been happening.
So unfortunately, Bill can't join us tonight.
He would love to, but he continues to be tortured.
So they gave him one day off in the last month.
And otherwise, I mean, he spent the last couple of days.
They sometimes let him sleep through the night.
Sometimes they only switch off at 6 a.m.
He gets a couple of hours of sleep.
And as soon as he wakes up, it goes from zero pain to regular pain every 10, 20, 30 seconds.
We have measurements where the pain shots come at multiples of five seconds, like 45, 25, 30, 15, you know, randomly, but always increments of five.
And then they just pain shock him such that I can, I'm on the other side of the house and I can hear him cry out in pain.
And then they stop and it goes back to zero.
Sometimes there's a pedestal of constant pain, but it's remote control torture.
And it's, we have noticed that it's getting ever more extreme.
I mean, we're in the realm of extreme psychopathy already regarding these torturers.
But even then, there's levels of even more insane.
And it's definitely getting more insane.
So I'm wondering, is Trump really moving in on the deep state?
Is he finally going to have his hands free to tackle, you know, the real deep state, which he hasn't tackled at all?
Let's see what's going to happen.
But they are definitely getting more extreme.
And one, you know, the reason why most viewers will notice, but I'm late by 15 minutes, because before I came online, I was on my Windows laptop and I just wanted to delete a single file.
And I'm very good with computers, so I don't just do monkey stuff by accident.
And instead of deleting that one file, it deleted the whole downloads folder, even though only that file was marked.
And it deleted six months worth of work.
So I had to shut the laptop instantly to go to my IT guy to have these deleted files restored.
They already did that to me before, but for the foreseeable future, and when they restore the files, it's never the original file name.
It's just some random computer generated code.
So I will have to go through about 200 gigabytes by hand to find my work files again.
So it's part of the course.
Killing me.
Catherine.
Yes, it's an insane amount of work.
And that's what they are trying to do.
But the good thing is when you do this exercise and revise six months worth of work, you kind of, you know, rehearse it once in your head.
And you're, you know, even more up to speed with what has been going on than before.
So I'll just have to do the exercise again.
But this is the kind of stuff they do.
Also, to finish off regarding myself, I spent the last, what, two and a half days in bed being intensely tortured.
So with Bill, they torture his amputated stumps.
With me, they torture my head.
So I had drone gunning to my head and they turned on my chips and they alternate.
Several day torture session will be one side of my, the top of my skull.
Then in another one, it will be the right half of my skull.
And they alternate carefully and turn on the chips and superheat them.
So any microchip can be superheated.
So I basically have to run around with an ice pack because they're burning my flesh from the inside.
Yeah, it's insane.
Give me a naffine break.
This is just awful.
It is like, you know, it makes the Nazis look like Boy Scouts.
It really does.
And this thing of head torch, this specific head torture is something very specific to US intelligence.
They have never done that to me in Europe.
Never.
It's something that they delight in.
I think here, you know, any sort of intelligent woman is like a threat.
I don't know, but they target my head more than anything, 99% of the time.
So it shows where the sexual aggression is being directed at, so to speak, against women.
So anyway, that's just by explanation that everything we bring to the public comes at a huge physical cost behind the scenes.
You know, there's always retaliation.
There's all, you know, for the last show, especially when we talked about, you know, the non-consensual implanting of Hollywood actors and government officials and federal agents and secret service agents.
I think they even interrupted the broadcast, remember?
I had to restart because somebody in the FBI, you know, crapped their pants.
The truth is, this is this is, these are the most classified as in most criminal programs that the deep state is running currently against the American people, what we're talking about.
So, you know, blowback is to be expected.
But anyway, that's where we stand.
Have you had any luck in getting the right information of the right people?
Heck no.
Heck no.
And the problem is, based on what you saw about the Charlie Kirk investigation, the FBI is completely out.
And, you know, and the DOJ, in my view, is completely out.
So we have to find an alternative way to have this investigated.
Look, the Secret Service was the way they treated us was sadistic.
And towards the end, it was sadistic and just like a fucking joke.
So I think by now I would, you know, be completely within my right to give up on them, but I can't because they're the only people with an investigative division that could be trained up to detect directed energy weapon attacks, to detect non-consensual implants.
And they have to do it.
They have to scan the population.
The magnetometers are not good enough.
Because anybody can pick up anything and go nuts with it.
And more seriously, what I pointed out last time, every single Secret Service agent with a service gun, if they're implanted, they can be made to shoot the president, even if they like the president.
Right?
So yeah, you know, we should have done these investigations by yesterday.
They should have been done on day one.
Sean Curran was inaugurated.
And I would have loved to tell him this off the record so that he can scan at least the Presidential Protective Division before I start going around going like, hey, guess what, guys?
You are all implanted.
You can shoot the president at the moment's notice whenever the deep state wants to, right?
It's not really what I want to say publicly, but now, look, that's the only thing I've got left.
I was trying to tell him this, September 24.
That's how long I've tried.
You know, over here.
Just disgusting.
Yeah, it's look.
And the other thing is, I have tried to campaign against these issues in six European countries and they all refuse to investigate it because ultimately it comes from the UN level, from NATO.
Okay.
So they all just defer to higher up and they want to keep a part of the population as public torture and mutilation slaves.
That's the program, right?
That's me.
Of course, that's untenable, but none of the governments want to do anything.
But on the way to finding out, the European governments are a lot more functional than the US government.
So this thing of a government agency not replying to written mail, I have never, ever come across that.
In contrast with Swiss intelligence, I rocked up unannounced and within 20 minutes, I had a one and a half hour meeting with a senior guy in the Swiss Secret Service, which is the intelligence agency.
It's not a protective division, you know, purely.
But, you know, and okay, he did, he did give me a death threat, which I have covertly recorded.
Fair enough.
They wanted to tell me to, you know, lay off.
Fine.
But still, right?
I understand.
He understands.
That was nice.
I party.
And it's just, it's just part of the course.
But anyway, at least you can get somewhere.
You know, there's like the formality of actually responding to the general public having a meaningful dialogue with these agencies they bloody paid for is still a given in Europe.
And here they are so broken and beyond anything that they think that you can send them registered mail, I think a total of what, four times by now, and they don't have to reply.
They don't have to say, oh, thank you, but no, thank you, which would have been fine.
Or sorry, at this point in time, we don't want to take it up.
They just stonewall you and just go, la we didn't hear it.
You know, what sort of bullshit is it?
But anyway, anyway, so just to recap, for me, this year's project is I am going to fucking persevere with the secret service because I have no other choice.
No other choice.
The FBI is who's committing these crimes.
The DOJ is the agency that has refused to do anything.
And so far, since the new administration has been, you know, sworn in, the Secret Service is the only agency I actually saw do what they're meant to be doing.
They already caught stuff.
They caught the sniper's nest.
And I would say in the 11th hour on the 16th of October and saved the president's life.
So it is still the best bet and the only bet.
And unfortunately, I have to keep telling them these stuff.
And I'm about to submit a project proposal to them that they can take and do themselves or talk to me.
Fuck them.
Whatever they choose to do.
But I will hand it in that if they wanted to protect themselves, this is how to do it.
Now, in the ideal world, all of these amazing men would figure it out themselves, but we're not in the ideal world.
And given their reaction, that was sub-par, I don't have any hope of them actually doing anything unless you spell it out like chaps, this is how you do it.
This is how housewives did it in Europe.
This is how we found the chips.
This is what you do when you find the chips and blah, So I'm going to put that in one last fucking time.
And then Director Curran can take it or leave it, but I'm also going to make it public.
Everything I'm going to put into a government agency, I'm going to make it public because all these federal agents have an individual, and I am 100% sure a lot of them are implanted.
They have an individual civil claim against the government.
Once they find their chips, let's say a secret service agent actually freaking listens to me, buys the 200 bucks bug detector that I advertise on my website, you know, messes around a bit.
It's a bit tricky, but you can find your own chips and then realizes, oh shit, I have all these laser surgery scars at those sites on my body.
Well, then you know you're implanted.
And then the question is, when did it happen?
Well, most likely during his service, or if he had military service before then during that.
But either way, he has got a claim against the US government.
So, you know, I'm basically there are two prongs.
There's either the government tidies it up nicely internally and gives people damages and restitution, or we can do this the ugly way, where literally when their own employees find out that they have been permanently enslaved and there's no way to remove those chips, well, you know, that's going to be, that's going to be ugly and legally also, you know, much uglier in court.
So that's where we are.
But we have got to do it because right now, you probably heard that the Air Force One had to turn around last night as President Trump was flying to Davos.
Did you?
Oh, I can't tell me.
So as far as I know, this is all I know to date, is that they took off.
Everything seemed to be fine.
And the area where the journalists are, because the press corps is flying on Air Force One these days, apparently the lights went out and there was no explanation why.
I'm not sure if they got the lights back.
It sounded like they managed to restore it.
Then nobody said anything.
And half an hour into the flight, the flight had to turn around out of an abundance of caution, right?
So I presume, you know, it looked dodgy.
And then they switched over to back up Air Force One and Trump flew out to Davos.
Now, first of all, when President Trump flies to Switzerland, most people don't know, but Switzerland is the belly of the beast.
It is even more belly of the beast than the Vatican itself, right?
That is where the Cabal live and where traditionally they had the vaults or where they put all the loot they stole from around the world.
So Switzerland is really, it's right there.
So that's when you go to Davos, where all these cabal members are talking about us eating bugs, blah, blah, blah, right?
He's going right into this, into the den of the lion.
To have an electrical fault pop up exactly on that flight is already suspicious.
That's hit number two.
Then out of, if you look at Air Force One, it's a hugely complex plane.
Out of all the minor electrical faults that can pop up, one that only affects the press is already odd.
It's very strange because the press are the ones who are going to be, you know, over Wi-Fi, immediately broadcasting it everywhere, right?
So it's a very showy fault.
If you want to raise awareness globally, you would basically fuck with the press first.
Why?
Because if it affected the part of the inner cabin where Trump and his team are, they can keep it quiet, you know?
So, but the press, they're going to talk about it.
So strike number two is basically the press.
And strike number three is that lights out has a meaning in terms of assassination threats.
It's going to be lights out.
So somebody, it just so happened, right?
In this complex plane with billions of doodads in it, there was one little electrical fault that happened to just fuck with the press and make the perfect cartel signaling message of it's going to be lights out or it's lights out.
Hidden Experiments and Security Risks 00:10:16
You know, it's a death threat.
That's what I'm saying.
So somebody fucked with Air Force One, probably an inside job.
And, you know, so people are still out to get our president.
And they will get ever more sophisticated.
You know, they tried the bum on the AGR rooftop that failed.
Then they tried an older bum.
So instead of Gen Z, they tried Gen X, you know, waiting outside West Palm Beach.
That idiot also missed, right?
And they're getting gradually more sophisticated.
The sniper's nest outside Palm Beach International from the map, Google Maps, it looked like it was on the property or the property line of the US Army Reserve.
So to me, it sounded like the sniper that would have been up there would have been a professional, right?
So it looks like they're getting ever more sophisticated.
Now they're fucking with Air Force One through an inside job.
That's a step up from fucking with an elevator in the UN building.
So my point is they're getting ever more sophisticated.
And the next step in sophistication is to use the weapons and the covert stealth attack modes that they used in Venezuela.
And that ironically, Trump is gloating about to the world today.
You know, like, oh, we've got weapons that nobody knows about.
And I think, holy shit, that's the stuff they're going to use on you.
You know?
So it's terrifying.
Wow.
Wow.
Yeah.
I don't know about the elevator at the UN.
What happened there?
Sorry?
You haven't heard about that?
I don't think I have.
Remind me.
Okay.
So remember the UN General Assembly that happened, God, when was that?
Like back in the summer, or it was months and months ago.
And when Trump and Melania entered the building, as Melania and Trump stepped on the end of the building.
I remember the escalator not working.
It just went.
It cut out.
They had to walk up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes, they had to walk up.
But it kind of stopped abruptly.
Yeah.
You know, perfect timing.
So strike number one again.
And it always comes in triplets, by the way.
Why?
Because the third, the three, number three stands for the third letter of the alphabet, which is C, which stands for crown, right?
Or the crown corporation or in Latin, what's it called?
Corporatio Corona.
Okay.
So three or three three stands for the crown.
It's basically the Cabals company, global company.
But attacks usually come in triplets.
And at the UN, they first switch off the elevator.
Then when Trump went to speak, they switched off his teleprompter.
And then the audio to the audience was dialed down and also to the press.
So Melania sat there and afterwards, Trump said she told him we couldn't hear anything.
It was so the volume of your microphone was so dialed down.
This doesn't happen by accident.
No, of F no, right?
But the UN, I mean, you don't get any more into the bowel of the beast in New York than the UN, right?
So unreal.
Unreal.
But you know, it's one thing if on, by the way, the UN building is extra territorial.
President Trump is not the president inside that building.
So them, you know, basically fucking around with the elevator in their own country is one thing.
When they start fucking with the electronics and Air Force One, that hits different.
And that was just last night.
Who actually has ownership of the land on which the UN stands?
Is it the UN itself?
That's a very good question.
The same, yes, I would say it's the entity of the UN, as far as I know.
And there are precedents to this.
For example, the area that CERN, the particle accelerator, sits on, is also extraterrestrial.
It's between France and Switzerland, and it's not owned by either.
And it has a physical, like a border.
There's a border crossing into CERN and out of CERN.
So that's another example is I think the Red Cross building is also extraterritorial, if I'm not mistaken.
And the other one is the Bank of International Settlement.
That's also extraterritorial.
And all the UN buildings, also the one in Geneva is extraterritorial.
And the thing about these extraterritorial buildings is that any shop on there doesn't have sales tax.
And I know that for a fact because you could buy a Snickers bar at the CERN canteen and not pay tax.
You could buy all sorts of stuff and not pay tax.
Now, for CERN, for us dorky physicists, I think that the best you could buy tax-free was Snickers bars and teddy bears, okay, with a CERN jumper on.
But when it's the UN, oh, good God, there's much more you can buy tax-free.
You know, it's one of the appeals of working for the UN.
You know, I like Snickers bars.
I think it may be the best candy bar of all time.
Well, you know, I also like the peanuts in it.
You mentioned the CERN, of course.
Not to divert from political current events, but there's so many stories about CERN.
You're as expert as anyone I know about this matter.
Stuff about time travel, weird, weird experiences.
You know, I imagine most of this is just mythology.
It's just bug.
I just, you know, how many of these kinds of stories you've encountered and whether any of them have any merit.
Here's what I can tell you.
So I have been located, I've been working on CERN experiments for several years, but I've been out at CERN and lived literally like, what, five kilometers, you know, from CERN and commuted in daily for a year and a half.
And I work for one of the main experiments there.
Now, the thing is, on the CERN site, not a single office is closed.
You can go into all the hangars.
You can go into pretty much anybody's office.
We are kind of sealed off.
So, you know, sometimes people make use of that.
They come sneak into the CERN site and steal laptops.
Happens occasionally, but usually we've got good security.
But within that, I could go anywhere.
There were not, you know, security areas where you can't go in.
And there's some Freakozoid experiments happening in those hangars.
You can go in and you can see, oh, they're doing atomic physics.
That's a small accelerator and so on.
So that's the stuff above ground.
It's fully accessible.
Then there's the big accelerator ring, which is fully used up by the equipment that we need for the big ring accelerator.
And pretty much either side of it, there's nothing you can do because of the synchrotron radiation.
And well, synchrotron radiation for protons is not as bad as for electrons by far, but it's still there.
So you get irradiated.
You couldn't have a hidden office outside of the ring.
You know, I don't think there are any hidden offices as far as I know.
And it's very, you know, the normal physicist can see who goes down there.
You could have hidden offices maybe on the inside ring, but the problem with hiding anything near the accelerator ring is that occasionally we use, we lose the, or they lose the beam kind of non-linear linearly, and it just smashes into the wall and smashes through the earth.
And it's just the rock and the earth underground that kind of absorbs the beam.
So hiding anything at the level of the accelerator would be a really dumb thing to do.
It wouldn't be safe for any experiment.
So I don't think there's anything hidden there.
But where I would look for Frecazoid shit and modern weapons is not even CERN.
I would look at the map.
If we looked at Google Maps where CERN is located, you have three countries' borders coming together very closely.
You have Switzerland, you have France, and you have Italy.
They are historically hostile agents.
All right.
They kind of leveled out over the centuries, but they're still hostile militaries.
So, when you have mountains and you have the Jura and the Alps, so the French have the Jura, you know, a bit of the Alps, but it's like you have these mountain ranges.
And as soon as you have mountain, especially when you have mountain ranges and hostile countries facing each other off, you have military bases on the ground.
So, I can tell you just from this top-down analysis that outside of CERN, the entire you know, the mountains will look like Swiss cheese full of military bunkers, you know, up to probably the top of the mountains.
So, yeah, it's a highly militarized zone.
There's lots of stuff you can hide.
And, you know, I'm sure that they're all doing all sorts of experiments.
But time travel, no, time travel, absolutely freaking not.
Black hole creation, no.
Directed energy weapon testing, yes.
The testing of remote cars, yes, definitely, because they nearly killed me with one.
Remote, like chip-based remote control of humans, yes, they do.
Like, I'm pretty sure the French are researching that because they did it on me on the French side.
So, yes, there's like lots of military experimentation that I wasn't aware of at the time.
And afterwards, I figured out, oh shit, they were testing using the equipment Oxford put into my body to do tests on me.
Spectacular Car Accidents 00:04:59
And there were also spectacular car accidents during the year and a half we were there.
They were kind of bunched over a one or two month period.
So, they were testing their driverless cars and trying to attack people with these driverless guys.
There was all sorts.
But it had nothing really to do with CERN as such.
It had all to do with the military bases left and right of CERN, if you know what I mean.
You mentioned car accidents, three Qatari officials headed for the peace summit in Egypt died in a mysterious accident, seemingly inexplicable according to the Egyptian fields.
The steering wheel malfunction.
Now, you can see they were no doubt in a high-end vehicle of recent vintage, you know, possibly virtually brand new.
I see the hand of Israel here remotely controlling the vehicle to bring about the catastrophe.
Something that has happened with other figures of prominence in sticky wicket situations, like that journalist in California's car ran into a tree here.
Yeah, that was Mercedes, and the engine was found way over here.
When the way it's designed, it'll drop directly to the ground to absorb the crash.
I mean, I have an old Mercedes, and it was rather famous for its safety and design.
But I mean, I take it that wouldn't be of any surprise to you.
It was no surprise to me.
You know, more than I about the energy.
In fact, in fact, this particular thing about the steering column malfunctioning, I have heard that before.
That's one of those things that, yeah, I've heard that before.
And before that, I heard it before that as well.
Do you know what I mean?
I've heard it from many people who shall remain anonymous.
It's one of their standard operating procedures, it seems.
The other thing that is a staple is this like sudden acceleration.
It happened with a bunch of Teslas.
It happened in the case of Anne Hesch.
It had also in the case of what was the journalist's name.
I forget the guy who hit the tree, the one you just mentioned.
Michael Hastings.
Oh, yes, Michael Hastings.
That's it.
Now, the other thing I heard about the Michael Hastings case, this is what Karen Melto-Suit, the NSA whistleblower, claimed is that she also heard on the grapevine that the vehicle exploded before hitting the tree, which might explain why the engine was somewhere else, you know.
So yes, all remote control, all remote.
And I'm probably, I might have told you about the anecdote of when Bill and I went to Europe.
We left our car at home and hired a car to drive to the airport.
And you always get given the absolute newest thing.
And as I was driving, I was trying to overtake and the car just pulled me right back into the lane.
And at first, my immediate thought was, okay, here we go again with the bloody FBI.
But then I realized that there was a little flag on the dashboard that I hadn't seen.
And it was lane assist.
So the lane assist was on.
And it's if you fall asleep or if you're on your mobile phone, that the car will keep you in the lane.
And if you're not changing lanes, you know, hard enough, it will just assume it's a mistake.
But, you know, this lane assist can be very easily, you know, swapped around to make you go into oncoming traffic or make you stay, you know, careering towards an obstacle and you can't change the lane.
Yes.
Yes.
100%.
Another thing, that I just heard, what, two or three days ago in Germany, where they have these green, you know, regulations going nuts.
Now in winter, people with the newest cars discovered that the car internal heating is not coming on.
And it was those cars where the heating would be turned on, guess what, through an app on your bloody phone.
And they couldn't turn on the heating.
The entire function had been disabled and you couldn't turn it on on the car.
And that's to save energy.
So you're freezing in your car as you're driving in the middle of winter.
What, by the way, is Trump going to Devos for anyway?
What the hell is that?
You know, I mean, there's a center of the World Economic Forum and he's speaking there.
And I'm sure they could hear every word he said on that occasion, unlike the UN.
So what's going on, Catherine?
It bothers the hell out of me.
Well, did you hear the speech by Steve Witkoff?
It was a very, very polite fuck you to the global cabal.
He was saying that globalism had failed the world and that globalism was not the world forward.
British Intelligence and the Iraq War 00:15:44
I think also Trump just basically crapped, justifiably crept all over Europe and said that they are losing their identity, which is absolutely true.
And I think Trump went to kind of double down on what Witkoff said.
And it was one big middle finger being shown to the cabal.
Well, I like that.
I mean, I think that's great.
If you want cheering up, listen to Witkoff's speech at Davos.
It was lovely.
I freaking loved it.
Excellent.
I shall do that.
Yeah.
And I haven't, because I was literally still lying in bed with pain until 3 p.m. today, I didn't have time to get up and listen to Trump's speech yet, but I am looking forward to it.
So from what I've heard, he was really sticking it to the global cabal.
Doesn't it also mean, though, that the Israelis might want to get rid of him?
Oh, but they have been all along.
You can bet that the Israelis had their hand in the Butler thing and in the West Palm Beach thing and in the Palm Beach International thing.
And you can, because it's the same corporation, gets used to it.
It's not just the Jews.
It's always also MI6.
Always.
You know, I almost feel bad for British intelligence that you never include them.
And the guys worked so hard to try to kill our president.
You know, we just have to acknowledge them.
They are always shit mixing in it.
About MI6.
So they deserve recognition too, right?
Good God.
Anything that's wrong with the world, they will have a hand in it.
You know, just as a footnote, you know how they had all these different names for al-Qaeda and then they settled on ISIS.
Well, ISIS is not just goddess Isis.
It's also the name of the River Thames.
You know, the River Thames that runs through London.
It also runs through Oxford.
But the section that runs through Oxford, which is a big cabal, you know, where they send their children, the section of the River Thames running through Oxford is called ISIS for the same goddess ISIS worship that the cabal engage in.
So you have the fingerprints of British intelligence and their, you know, their degrees in classics just plastered of all the shit we're dealing with.
You know, it's the old boys network.
You can just see them everywhere.
You know, that's why.
I mean, as I told you before at one of the conferences, you know, the way I put it is not all these guys who are involved and responsible are circumcised.
So it means not all of them are Mossad and Americans.
It's not just, you know, CIA and Mossad.
It's also always MI6.
If they were not involved and they wouldn't be running it, they wouldn't be doing that job.
They wouldn't be doing their job.
Yeah, because also in the hierarchy, I mean, the US, Trump is trying to change that, but traditionally, the US is still a colony of the UK, of the Crown, the way they look at it, which is why the Intelligence Alliance of the Five Eyes has the UK, its colonies, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the US.
If it's your sworn enemy from not that long ago, why would you share all your intelligence with them?
It would be nuts to do so.
And yet the Five Eyes has full access to the NSA databases and everything that NSA does.
So it very much looks like it's the UK and its four colonies with the US being an unacknowledged colony.
You know, the special relationship they have?
It's always code for you are slaves.
You are slaves.
But, you know, seriously, in terms of intelligence, the UK is at the top.
So MI6 would want to be, you know, involved in this.
By the way, there's indirect confirmation of this.
If you go to, I hope the website is still up.
It was called MI5andMI6Exposed.com.
And it was a website or .org, one of the two.
And in there, British intelligence insiders were talking about all the crimes that happened within MI6.
But they also said that the code name for Sir John Scarlett, a former head of MI6 during the Iraq war, was Eggman.
Eggman.
Now, if you watch the movie In the Loop, there's this character.
So the In the Loop is about the Iraq war and how they brought it about by lying, taking a guy's master thesis and passing it off as intelligence, and then saying he's 45 minutes to launch WNDs, blah, blah, blah.
So they made a whole movie about that.
And in one moment, in that movie, one of the characters in that, a wiry guy from the UK who's over there bullying everybody into basically getting the war started, is referred to as Eggman, the internal code name for a chief of MI6.
So in other words, the movie makers who are all CIA are basically doing an insider job and explaining to their insiders that it was British intelligence that bullied them into the Iraq war.
It was British intelligence coordinating the whole thing.
So look, that's the only circumstantial evidence I can give you in addition to the five eyes.
But yes, MI6 is always involved.
You know.
Oh, by the way, another point.
So, that Switzerland is the bowels of the beast can be seen by the fact that the UN sits there, that the Bank of International Settlement sits there and many other things.
The Red Cross, all of these people are headquartered in Switzerland.
But then the British crown is also important, right?
Because of the British intelligence being high up and it goes back to the Knights Templar fleeing to London, blah, blah, blah.
Doesn't matter.
The point is, the crown is always involved.
And do you remember that during the visit of President Trump to the UK when he met King Charles and all that, there was also a little interlude where it was his chopper, the helicopter, that had to do an emergency landing out of an abundance of caution because of some minor fault.
Do you remember that?
Yes.
So it just so happens that these minor faults pop up when this guy goes to London and when this guy goes to Switzerland.
And it's not by coincidence.
It's a death threat by the cabal to the president.
So this is why, you know, the Secret Service has to be super careful when they're in the UK.
They are not allies.
Fuck no.
You know, they are trying to remain slave masters.
And if one of the slaves, like, you know, a billionaire like Trump steps out of line, they will try to kill him over and over.
Why is Trump, in spite of his campaign as a peace guy, become such a warmonger?
I mean, why would he be supporting Israel in the slaughter of the Palestinians, a genocide?
Why does he continue to support Zelensky against Russia?
Why would he bomb Iran?
Those issues trouble me tremendously, Catherine.
Yeah, I actually think, so regarding, it's really difficult.
So as I said last time, regarding Israel, I'm not sure if he would survive not supporting them, if you know what I mean, because the State Department and half of the government is double citizens and, you know, the CIA and all that.
So that's very, very difficult.
And maybe he genuinely believed that October 7th happened and it wasn't a false flag coordinated by Mossad, you know, as we know it was.
It's quite obviously so.
As I said last time, the fact when he said that they've been at each other for so long, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
That was, I think, the first time his patience was cracking.
But so that's that's Israel.
I mean, I wish if he didn't have the deep state, he could do whatever he wants to, but he hasn't drained the swamp.
So until he drains the swamp, his life is in acute danger as soon as he goes against Israel.
That's virtually foremost on his mind, even coming in for the first term.
So second term and still not done anything to drain the swamp.
I mean, this is very perplexing.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
And I think he was hoping that he would put in Kash Patel and he would Kash Patel would do something.
And I agree that if we had an FBI director of integrity, you can do an awful lot through the FBI.
The DOJ and FBI are the workhorses to tidy up the deep state.
And those are exactly the two agencies that I think have deep state agents at the helm.
You know?
So, yeah.
Now, what he, as I said, he couldn't do anything about Gaza, not really, not realistically.
You know, it seems like it, but not realistically, given how much his government is infiltrated.
And by stopping other wars, I'm just hoping that the total number of lives that were saved overall is still, you know, making up for the fact that so many people were massacred in Gaza.
I mean, that was a genocide.
Absolutely.
So that's these conflicts.
Now, Ukraine, gosh, you know, I think he was trying to please NATO.
And I hope he gets fed up with these people.
Because the other thing about NATO is that people think that NATO is a thing, like an actual thing.
NATO is nothing.
NATO is a bunch of officers gobbling up money.
And we have absolutely zero accounting where the money goes.
NATO is even less audited than the Pentagon.
Right?
So if trillions get stolen in the Pentagon, guess how much NATO is stealing?
And the only thing I know for sure about NATO is that they've been super harmful.
They're basically trying to get us into wars.
And also they are running the targeted individual program that Bill and I are in.
So when victims travel across NATO areas, their specific torture protocol travels with them to other countries seamlessly across all NATO countries.
So that's what NATO does.
It runs the targeting program.
Now, I hope that President Trump is gradually waking up.
I mean, he was already talking about getting out of the UN, the WHO, right?
He's now giving a speech for the WEF, which is just as corrupt.
And I really, if he had his wits together, instead of forcing Europe to pay 5% for the shell corporation called NATO, because all the Europeans have their own armies, why are we paying 5% to this non-entity that's not audited, right?
It's insane.
So instead of us paying into the shell corporation, everybody should just, I mean, it should be standalone countries, you know, without funding.
Fuck them.
It should be just like everybody's military being funded.
And then, you know, there's some decision-making about wars we engage in.
A week ago, I was predicting Trump was going to begin bombing Iran.
I thought all the signs were there.
I've got three possible explanations why it didn't happen.
And I'd like your thoughts about them.
First, that Putin laid down the law and said if you attack Iran, we're going to treat it as an attack on Russia.
Second, that BB called him and said, look, you got to hold off because we're not prepared for the Iranian retaliation.
And if that is the case, I don't think they'll ever be prepared for the Iranian retaliation because it would be massive and catastrophic for Israel.
Third, and this has now just emerged, Iran has declared it has a new ICBM 10,000 kilometer range, which means it's in a position to hit the United States.
Now, I see all three of them as weighty arguments.
I'm just interested in your assessment of why you think it didn't happen.
Because look, he'd sent the B-52s.
He had all the bases were being evacuated.
He was taking all the measures.
They previously sent these tankers.
I mean, it was all set to go as I look at it from a military perspective.
So why did it not happen?
It might also be that he's waiting for the regime to collapse naturally because Scott Besson said that they were already transferring millions out of the country.
So the rats are already trying to flee the sinking ship.
And, you know, if Trump can get around not putting anybody on the ground, not attacking, and just waiting a bit longer, because I think he already put on sanctions, hasn't he?
So many sanctions, it's ridiculous.
Yeah.
And, you know, the sanctions, so from what I heard from the Iranian community, is that the average people, they always feel the sanctions.
They have by now found like, you know, a way to survive.
So it's not going to wipe out the everyday, but the country feels it.
It puts huge pressure on them.
The reports I have is that the Iranians have been able to stop with cold, the CIA, Mossad-inspired op in part by dismantling the ability of Starlink to communicate.
And once they were able to interrupt, and that was, I understand, using devices provided by Russia, that it was easy to round up.
They now got 80 of these provocateurs awaiting execution.
They haven't been publicly hung yet, but I foresee that may very well happen in the near future.
And millions of Iranians were on the street in support of the regime, not in opposition.
I think Trump.
And then I also have these reports.
Are you sure?
All the footage I've seen was that those millions of people were against the regime.
They are desperate.
I mean, the women, you know, those, you know, I have not heard of millions of people being in support of that bullshit.
That's my understanding.
And that it was Trump was also told, and he gave this as an explanation for why he did not bomb Iran, that it wouldn't bring about a regime change.
I don't think there's anything the US or Israel could do that would bring about regime.
You and I, I think, have a different view of this.
Oh, gosh.
Look, man.
I mean, my connection is to the Iranians that fled, but the thing is, people fled Iran because of this bullshit.
It's an undeniable fact that the 60s and 70s, which people still remember, right?
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So people's parents still lived it.
That was a Western society.
And now they have this medieval bullshit that's not even indigenous.
It's not the indigenous religion.
Definitely, the subjugation of women is utterly, utterly not part of Iranian culture.
It isn't at all.
If you look at the expats, the women run businesses.
They are just as, you know, empowered.
It's not Afghanistan.
Like people keep confusing these Middle Eastern countries.
Iran is not Saudi Arabia and it's not Afghanistan.
There are huge differences, as much as the U.S. is not the same as Guatemala or Mexico.
So it is such a civilized, advanced culture, so intellectual and refined.
It is this whole, you know, running around in black tablecloths bullshit.
It is the subjugation of the 50% of the population, of the women.
And they are fed up with this bullshit.
So I want to see the reports that claim those millions of people out in the street are pro-regime because, man, you know, they didn't look so pro-regime to me.
You know, it looked like it was incensed people because otherwise, what would they be so incensed about that millions came out?
That somebody just droned a military facility nobody gives a shit about?
You know, why would there be suddenly protests?
You know, what would be the pressure on the regime?
What's your take on those alternative explanations I was giving for why didn't bomb Iran?
I think, you know, I would have to have insider information because I think all of them are valid.
I think all, you know, Russia, I don't know what Russia said, but that's what they would say.
I mean, behind the scenes that they were trying to have alliances across the world, you know, one of their traditional alliances could very well be.
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And then it's down to what the people say publicly, because publicly, Russia might say, don't do this.
And then behind the scenes, Putin and Trump can reach a deal.
Maybe they haven't reached a deal yet.
maybe putin is using iran and and their threat about iran is a bargaining chip to achieve something more in ukraine you know it becomes a puzzle uh in the shell game that they start playing but it's i think it would be a valid point the stuff you said about israel would be a valid point um you know it's i think all of the above to some extent i got a report today this is you know I have the radio show several,
you know, virtually every day, right?
So I got a caller, you know, just saying, have you heard the latest that Trump is buying, buying Greenland?
He's offered 700 billion to Denmark plus 100,000 for each of the 57,000 residents of Greenland, and that this is going forward, obviously preferable to a military venture, which would have no basis and has outraged the world.
But it might be he's going to buy Greenland.
What do you think about that?
Close to a trade?
I don't think he can.
$700 billion is nothing given how much the tariffs bring in.
That's the crazy thing.
The tariffs bring in such a stupid amount of money.
I think I forget what the last quote was, but it was like one or two trillion that they brought in already.
You know, 700 billion when you have 2 trillion.
It's like, yeah, get it.
It's on sale.
Get it now, right?
Yes.
And he did post something a couple of hours ago from Davos that they had a NATO discussion about it and that there will be some sort of transfer for Greenland exactly like that to give it to the US.
And the details are to be kind of negotiated out, but he did get some sort of deal.
I think that's true.
And it had something to do with giving Europe some tariff relief as well.
I think that's also been thrown in the pot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because Europe was kind of bouncing around saying, well, they don't care about the US.
But as soon as 10% tariffs go on, suddenly they realize, oh, damn, we do care about the U.S.
So they just fold, you know?
Be the big story tomorrow?
I think so.
I think it's already on Trump's true social.
I mean, if I can bring it up, it was one of the last five or ten posts.
He did say something very well.
Tell us what you find there if you can pull it up.
I hadn't quite anticipated losing Catherine altogether.
I'm optimistic she's going to show back up and give us an updated report.
But these interviews are just fantastic.
And I admire them both profoundly.
So let's see what happens.
Maybe I should.
I'll see if I can pause.
So what did you find?
So here's the tweet that Trump sent on five hours ago.
All right.
And he was writing at that January 21st at 2.27 p.m. Eastern Time.
He was writing, based upon a very productive meeting that I've had with the Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, we have formed the framework for future deal with respect to Greenland and, in fact, the entire Arctic region.
This solution, if consummated, will be a great one for the United States of America and all NATO nations.
Based upon this understanding, I will not be imposing the tariffs that were scheduled to go into effect on February 1st.
Additional discussions are being held concerning the Golden Dome as it pertains to Greenland.
Further information will be made available as discussions progress.
Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, and various others as needed will be responsible for the negotiations.
They will report directly to me.
Thank you for your attention to this matter, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America.
So that was the formal notification that they're working on a deal, just as you said.
And for the entire Arctic region.
Yes, this is rather stunning.
I think the whole idea of the golden dome is ridiculous.
They can't even get the iron dome over a little tiny Israel, which is a size of New Jersey.
The idea of protecting the United States against ICBMs is beyond belief.
It can't happen.
It's just ridiculous.
I don't know why he talks about this stuff.
Well, it depends on what he's been sold by the military-industrial complex.
Because that's another thing that we don't realize is that he doesn't have any direct technical, personal technical knowledge regarding this.
He's entirely reliant on the military-industrial complex telling him what they can do, what they are capable of.
And so far, they haven't been capable of bringing out a new and updated version of Air Force One on time, you know, on budget and on time.
So yes, I think there's a lot of lying happening from the military-industrial complex.
And we saw evidence of that regarding Venezuela about the bits that were public about what the military supposedly did, those missile hits.
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I saw evidence of CGI, you know, where thermal images were duplicating the crosshairs on the screen.
Supposedly in the footage, that was one of these unclassified things, you know, bass boats, empty boats being shown that were stationary.
Look, the military is lying all day, every day.
And I'm not sure if Pete Hegseth and President Trump have the technical knowledge to debunk their bullshit.
So we are to some extent entirely at the mercy of some advertising brochure from Boeing and Lockheed Martin.
That's the hard truth.
You know, the glossy shit that they put out.
The other thing that people need to realize is that this is already something you will notice if you ever deal with the ecosystem surrounding rich people.
And let's say multi-millionaires, okay?
I never saw the ecosystem surrounding billionaires, but I've seen them of multi-millionaires in Switzerland.
The more money they want from you, the more money they're going to invest into fluffing.
So if they want millions from you, they're going to spend not just tens of thousands, but hundreds of thousands on the advertising material, the whining and dining and the general bamboozling that they will put you through so that you hand over millions of dollars.
Now, when you're handing over billions or tens of bills or hundreds of billions, they would be brain fucking you to the tune of millions, millions.
So they will roll out all the neurotech weapons to make you feel all happy about a certain deal while you're sitting in this office considering it.
They will roll out everything.
you know when it's about the oil in venezuela or the whatever golden dome whatever the hell they want to call it and it's hundreds of billions worth of if not trillions they will you i promise you use the top of the range neurotechnology weapons to brain anybody who has decision-making capabilities to ensure they will think it's a really good idea you know Some people don't really consider that,
but the amount of money invested into bamboozling will be to the tunes of millions, if not tens of millions.
And how much bamboozling can you do for that?
That's a lot of fluffing.
And what do you think is the advantage of Greenland?
The vast natural resources, the strategic positioning.
Why has he been so eager to grab Greenwood?
I think it has several.
So I'm not a military expert, so I'm going to be talking off the cuff now.
But off the top of my head, I can think of several advantages, huge advantages, actually, both to the Arctic and Greenland.
Number one, it's sea lanes.
Anything that opens up, any sea lanes that might be opening up as part of natural global warming that's connected to the sun cycles, not so much us, whatever.
Any sea lanes that open up, yes, there will be submarines coming through.
You need constant monitoring.
The Russians will come through that.
The Chinese.
Now, I also know that they too are part of the same corporation.
So it's going to be just one big bamboozling again, but it will happen.
Okay.
So if he wants to genuinely protect the US, that's a huge strategic position.
The other thing is once you're in Greenland, you're not just up the back of Russia, but also, hey, Canada, right?
You have them surrounded and you are even closer to Europe.
Right.
So you suddenly have a lot more like actual physical dominance of that part of the hemisphere, right?
Then regarding natural resources, I am not a geologist.
I have no idea what Greenland has, but I can imagine that, you know, you get the lot.
Why not?
You know, inside the crust of the earth, there's no difference.
So you would get a bunch.
Any landmass might be great for rare earth minerals, you know, whatever.
And that's one thing.
The other thing is, and that's rarely talked about, but Iceland is trying to capitalize on that.
When you have a place like Greenland and you're trying to put data centers everywhere that take a huge amount of power, most of the power goes into cooling.
It goes into cooling.
So if you can put it in the Arctic or Greenland and all you have to do is run a data cable there, you know, you have a couple of seconds delay of, you know, having the data run there as opposed to just New Jersey or, you know, wherever New York or Texas.
Huge processing power can be done.
And the cooler it is, the more energy you save.
So you might save a real killing in terms of the power plants, because then you only have to operate the thing and cooling would be natural through the environment.
So for the, and Trump did talk about these data centers, the one for Meta, you know, Mark Zuckerberg's, you know, Meta and Facebook stuff.
The AI data center is the size of lower Manhattan, according to Trump.
So if you want to cool that amount of, you know, processing equipment, I'm very worried about these data centers that are going up all over the country.
They know I consume a vast amount of electricity, but as you observe, we're cooling water.
I got a story from a little town where they're going to have a data center.
It's going to consume 15% of their water supply.
And I wouldn't be surprised if we're actually double that.
So I mean, I see this as a threat to American cities across the entire country.
And the damn data centers are just to survey us.
I mean, to control us.
So it's a double loss as I see it.
The natural resources and consumption, energy and water, that's going to be devastating.
But the fact they're being used for a negative purpose that isn't going to benefit society, it's a catastrophe.
Yes, it is.
And I think, you know, they were saying that the companies are going to pay for the power, power generation.
Now, the only way to have really effective, efficient power generation is with nuclear plants.
So we'll be suddenly surrounded.
If I had to bet on anything, on a lot of nuclear plants, suddenly in your environment, just to power these things.
That's number one.
The water was not even mentioned by President Trump.
And as you rightly point out, that's what's going to kill the local communities.
That's number two.
Number three is what do they do with all that processing power?
Because, you know, just having AI, super fast lookup, like a little super fast Google, you know, you don't need that much power to have remote controlled cars.
That's not what it is.
However, if you want to do remote controlled brain monitoring and continuous AI control of the population, which you may be implanted with the vaccine, just putting it out there as a possibility, then you would need that amount of processing power.
With that amount of processing power, you could have an AI, a personal AI torturer for every single person in the United States.
And frankly, I think that's what the game is about.
Damn.
So you're going to have half the population target and the other half targeting them?
I mean, that's what an absurdity.
Yes.
And the funding of Stargate AI, and it's not just the only AI in the land, but Stargate AI, the funding of it is the, I think the funding of 10 CIAs.
It's going to be just AI.
So yeah, I think before long we'll come to a situation just like when Trump, not having any medical or technical or scientific knowledge, signed up for Operation Warp Speed and it killed millions.
Now he's signing us up for AI and all these military industrial complexes, you know, pet projects, DARPA's pet projects, not having a clue about science or technology.
And I think it's going to lead to another mass genocide.
And we will probably spend the rest of our lives fighting this AI bullshit and eventually bombing these fucking data centers.
You know, I'm convinced.
I'm convinced.
And by the way, I am seriously thinking of getting rid of our car and buying a vintage car that has nothing in it.
Yeah, yeah.
Electronics.
Yeah, it doesn't have the computerized controls that can be remotely apprehended.
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Yeah.
And where we live, there are plenty of these old rust buckets around, you know, in people's backyards.
And I'm so tempted to just drop that.
It's a great idea, Catherine.
It's a great idea, especially for a couple like you and Bill, who are high priority targets.
At least you remove that threat.
Yeah, frankly, if I could, I would have an Amish, you know, horse and buggy.
But I fear that they might neurotech the horse, you know?
I love it.
On that note, Catherine Horton, I want to thank you for another fascinating conversation.
You and Bill are stand high in my pantheon of heroes, and it's a real pleasure for everyone.
This has been another real deal interview with Catherine Norton and Bill Benny.
As I say, my concept of a real intellectual power couple, the likes of which the world has never seen.
Thank you for joining us today.
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