REAL DEAL SPECIAL (14 January 2026): Katherine Horton and Bill Binney UNDER FIRE!
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Welcome to another real deal interview with Catherine Horton and Bill Binney.
Bill's under recuperating from torture, as everyone following this series is aware.
He and Catherine have both been subjected to ongoing multiple, sometimes very serious attacks by directed energy weaponry.
Catherine, there's so much been going on.
You know, with Venezuela, the mysterious weaponry.
Looks like there's an attack on Iran about to take place.
B-52s have been sent to the Middle East.
Trump has had our, I don't know, about the personnel removed from the biggest base we have, which is in Qatar, 10,000 force as large as U.S. military, but Iran has declared that if they hit, that Iran will strike back on the American bases.
And frankly, I don't think Israel is going to be able to sustain the onslaught, my opinion.
Just for openers, your thoughts about any of the above.
I'm thinking about Iran.
I mean, there's always hope and wishful thinking.
And I genuinely hope that the Iranian Islamist regime gets toppled and they get back to normality.
So there's that.
There's always hope and wishful thinking.
I mustn't cloud judgment by that.
But I also think that for everybody in the military in Iran, when you have seen the kind of flare-up that the people really had enough, you always ask yourself, what's the long-term strategy here?
You can kind of try to protect the current regime, but how long is it going to last?
Because now you have, you know, once the population kind of declares how they are fed up with them and they are seen to declare it, and you have these large masses and the country is at boiling point.
And you have the world's biggest superpower saying, you know, if you kill any of the protesters or if you kill significant numbers, we will fuck you up real hard.
If I were in the Iranian military, I mean, my game theory, you know, analysis would indicate that we need to have some sort of soft landing and get out of this as quickly as possible, because otherwise we would be on the line in a war that we cannot lose.
Sorry, win.
It's just a losing strategy from now on.
So, you know, sanctions would apply.
There's many ways the U.S. can really starve the Iranian people again.
They're kind of trained with that, but it always hits them hard.
So they've got ways to survive.
But I would say if these guys were not complete psychotic psychopaths, which they most likely are, their only survival strategy is a soft landing, whereby they wind it up.
So I'm literally talking military coup against these people.
Khomeini just skedaddles.
You know, a couple of the people skedaddle.
And the rest of them have, so the police already admitted to this.
The police already joined the protesters at some stage.
So the police are smarter because they have more, you know, they're not as tied in as the military.
And that's what I'm hoping is going to happen over the next couple of days.
And I'm hoping that what Trump is doing now is the last wave of swashbuckling for everybody who understand that the gig's up.
You know?
I'm almost flabbergasted because our interpretations of Iran are so very different.
I mean, bring it on.
These are the fun discussions.
If we both agree, nobody's learning anything.
Of course, I've been to Iran, right?
I was there in 2014 for an international conference.
And I've had tremendously favorable impression of Iran, of the people, of the culture, of its principles, of its integrity.
This appears to me to have been a classic Mossad CIA color revolution attempt.
And the Iranians were able to nip it in the butt by guess what?
Cutting off Starlink.
They were using Elon Musk's satellite, you know, to coordinate all these efforts.
I never felt, I never felt it was a serious protest against the government.
So this fascinates me.
They're going to begin hanging protesters.
It was supposed to begin today from cranes and all that.
I think it'll be pretty dramatic.
But I just got a completely different impression.
And also, I think Iran is just bristling with the fans that if U.S. tries to attack, and as I'm saying, it looks like the U.S. is setting up to attack.
I'm not at all sure the United States is going to be happy about the outcome.
So, I mean, this is one of those cases where you and I really have a different perception.
Let's see what happens.
So my $50 bet is that these Islamists will be cleared out like the cockroaches they are.
Because, okay, so I have not traveled to Iran, but I kind of grew up close to the Iranian, what's it called?
The expat community, the people who fled when the Islamists came in.
So, you know, my best friend is Iranian.
They fled.
They arrived in Germany a few years before us.
And I basically, I grew up in Germany.
So my parents and I were refugees from communist Romania.
But I grew up in a school or, you know, I was educated, schooled in a German school.
There was about 60% foreigners, including myself.
All of us back then, genuine refugees.
All of us were from war zones.
We had people from Bosnia.
So every one of us was really, we left with, you know, the shirt on our back.
And what was really heartbreaking, our dictator was executed in 89, Nikolai Czelzescu.
And then the usual globalist asset stripping ensued that was totally planned.
So that the equivalent of the rape of Russia that was in the 1990s occurred in all the other eastern states, especially Romania.
They had hyperinflation, then Western companies with Western prices moved in, choked out all the other businesses.
So the whole wash cycle.
Nevertheless, when the population survived it, starting in the early 2000s, Hungary started recovering rapidly.
And now in the 2010s, Romania is recovering massively.
So my family is traveling regularly to Romania.
And this is like a sidetrack, basically, just to show you the perspective of the refugees from these countries, right?
So now Romania, especially because all our gypsies and thugs and thieves are in Paris and London, Romania is fantastic.
It is extremely safe.
It is extremely nice, you know, cheap, wonderful, everything you can possibly imagine.
Now, for my friend, this is not how it panned out because these Islamists stayed in power.
And the thing to understand about Iran is it is not Saudi Arabia.
It is not Afghanistan.
So the oppression of women has never been part of their culture in our living memory and that of our parents.
So the Iranian expat community or refugee community, those who fled, the women run businesses.
They're like more Westerners than the US women.
So this whole thing of put not just, they'd never veiled their women, right?
So veiling is not part of their culture.
Definitely hiding under a black tablecloth in the hottest summers on planet Earth is not part of their cultures.
If you look at the pictures from the 60s and 70s, there were women in mini skirts, you know, Western cows, Western music, Western, absolutely everything.
And it was really affluent, safe, a wonderful country.
And I think what we saw after that with this Islamic revolution is that was the color revolution.
That was the takeover by this Mossad, CIA, MI6, usual, you know, bullshit, where they took Iran and then they have this acid, you know, the snake that bites its own tail.
That's the symbol.
They take its country at peak wealth and they do this wash cycle when they bleed it dry, enslave its people and acid strip it as much as they can.
And that is what happened after that.
So the Islamist religion is foreign to them.
I think they were traditionally Zoroastrian.
You know, Freddie Mercury, the singer, he was a Zoroastrian.
So, you know, all this shit that we associate with Iran is not even indigenous.
I think it came out of some CIA skunk works where they were, you know, brainstorming of how to do this.
And it's utterly revolting and disgusting.
And I think the Iranian people had the capital F enough.
But, you know, for it to actually boil over, just like when you're boiling water, something needs to happen to initiate the face transition.
And the bombing by President Trump of going in, coming out, a couple of hours, you know, that was perfect.
And look how far the Iranian people came.
They are the closest they have been in my entire lifetime to regaining their true freedom.
You know, that's that's what I feel.
And it is, I mean, it is really heartbreaking to hear about the deaths.
But unfortunately, when you get a system out of deep capture, sometimes it's unavoidable.
Those are the true heroes who died for the cause so that everybody else can be free.
And I just, I really hope, I really hope that the drone that's above my head and has been shooting me all day long is being repurposed and flown to Iran.
And shoot a couple of these dickheads, you know, just take them out.
They would collapse, you know, off a heart attack, an aneurysm.
It would be silent.
Nobody would know.
Fucking kill them all and then come home.
I don't care.
That's genuinely, I think.
You know, I'm absolutely shocked that you and I should have such divergent interpretation of what's going on here.
See, the Iranians, you were talking about who fled Iran, I think, have become, you know, very anti the current regime, but I don't know that it's justified.
I mean, that's a you don't think that the enslavement of women and throwing gay guys off rooftops and stoning people and whipping them is just that's happening in Iran today.
Yes, absolutely.
My friend has family members who have friends who were murdered by the regime for the most ridiculous things.
I mean, if you're a woman in Iran and you don't wear your freaking headscarf accurately and a little bit of hair showing, that's already enough to just, you know, put you away as a whore.
Those guys are not, they are not a joking matter.
I really, they are the most psychopathic criminals.
And the psychopathy is a telltale sign of deep capture, before an imposed deep capture, I would add in that case.
But the same with Venezuela.
Like people forget about the vicious torture that Maduro inflicted on its population.
If you listen to the reports of genuine Venezuelans who've lived in exile and built a life, I mean, they were overjoyed when Maduro was taken.
Absolutely.
You know, they were celebrating.
They were crying from joy, much very much like I, as a child, cried from joy when I saw our dictator being shot in his fucking little head.
I still have fond memories of that shooting.
You know, it makes me so happy.
It's like, that's what I want.
Look, if you listen to the true Venezuelans, not the crowds for hire that they paid in Venezuela, like they pay in Portland, Oregon to put on a protest, right?
I mean, if you can buy 10,000 Americans for the same amount of money, you can buy 50,000, 100,000 Venezuelans to hold up signs, right?
But if you listen to those who really genuinely fled and the crimes and the like the murderous psychopathy they fled from, I mean, the oppression in that country.
Good God.
And we live in the 21st century where there are still countries that are artificially kept in the medieval ages like Iran, or, you know, completely impoverished and held in this new world order or valued nightmare like North Korea or in these like, you know, crime-ridden third world countries like in Latin America.
And then Venezuela used to be really wealthy and civilized at some point.
So it's again another one of these, you know, the snake bites its own tail sort of asset stripping operation.
So to be honest, Jim, you might not like it.
But when they took Maduro, I was like, yes, go back, get the other 11 or 12 or how many they are and drop them all into the Gulf of America.
Nobody gives a shit.
Notwithstanding that it was a gross violation of international law, the sovereignty of Venezuela, the Geneva Convention, the UN Charter, and Geneva Conventions.
You know, having me implanted, tortured, raped by remote control, and having my little brains blown out day and night, that's the contravention of the Geneva Conventions, right?
Nobody gives a shit.
Nobody gives a shit.
So for once, these crimes are being committed against criminals.
Isn't that great?
If there's any injustice to be had, please let it be against ruthless dictators.
I mean, you know, if you listen to, I mean, if you listen to the Venezuelan people, the way Venezuela is run is anything but law-abiding.
Right?
So what do you do in a situation like that?
Now, okay, having said that, I think this is the positive side effect of a very ruthless strategy that the US has been, you know, is playing under because the stuff in Venezuela has nothing to do with drugs.
I think we both agree, right?
I mean, I have even, I can prove that some of the video footage released from the Pentagon is CGI bullshit.
It is literally CGI, pathetically so.
They are mocking people for how dumb they are.
But that aside, Venezuela is about oil.
And what I said last time is if you come in as President Trump and you say to your advisors, I have two objectives.
Number one, by the midterms, I want the gas prices to be as low as they were, 180 or whatever on average.
And I want to stock up the strategic oil reserves that Biden depleted to cover up his ludicrous inflation that he caused.
I want both of those objectives done in my first two years.
I genuinely think his advisors could only give him one answer.
And that's, sir, the only way to pull that off is take control of the Venezuelan oil fields.
That's the only way to pull it off.
And that's what they did.
But Catherine, the American oil companies don't want to go into Venezuela.
They'd have to rebuild.
Security issues would be massive.
It's going to take so long they wouldn't reap any profits for a decade.
They're saying that.
Trump made a massive misjudgment.
Didn't understand how the big oil companies would respond to the opportunity.
And they're passing, they're passing on it.
I look, I doubt it.
I doubt it because um, here's the thing why I I really doubt it.
I think the oil companies right now is are still in the negotiation phase.
Right, they are negotiating protection from the government subsidies right, and I call this the crying whores phase.
They are total whores.
You can buy them and they're just negotiating the price.
Right, and they want to get the absolute best deal, as is their statutory duty or fiducial duty towards their shareholders right, so they want to squeeze the American taxpayer for as much money as they can to build up the old companies that they had, the all because that was built by American companies.
Right now, regarding how much time it takes, you would be surprised how quickly this system can move really.
I mean when they are, for example, when they have complex factories.
I know, a factory above ground is not the same as drilling for oil granted, but they have so much experience with drilling, if they really get going and they throw huge amounts of money at it, they can get it done very quickly.
And I wager I I, I bet you that by march or april, we'll see a drastic decrease in the oil price.
That's just my gut feeling, you know.
Uh, my kind of gut feeling estimate is that on average, it would take about six months to get this operation going.
And if you throw serious amounts of money at it, for example from the tariffs right, you can get it done in three, and I think they'll get it done in three.
That that's I don't.
I know absolutely nothing about the oil business, but that's just my gut feeling.
You know, you got a nice testable hypothesis here, get it done in three.
Yes yes, that's right.
Witnessing, you know, a meeting in the White House with big oil execs saying they're not interested in Venezuela.
Look, that's they.
They are playing hard to get because they want Trump to give them more money.
That look, they are.
He's very pissed off about this actually.
Well, you know, he's a deal maker, he.
They're just very, very powerful.
But look it's, it's gonna be fine.
And also security, are you kidding me?
I mean, they just did a live demonstration about the weapons.
Right, we can also talk about the weapons that were used, the super soldiers that were used.
Now, they have a shocking large number of those, so if they wanted to, they could really clean this place up.
The reason why they don't want to clean up too much is because the ugly truth is that the drug trade is and and other criminal trades are being run by the CIA and the Pentagon.
So they're kind of, you know, they they remove maybe Maduro, but they keep their you know other trafficking safely in place and they're just kind of, you know readjusting, because if they wanted to really fight The drug trade, you could have overnight raids across the whole US and have all the drug dealers arrested next morning.
And that can be done with bill software.
They can do it by hand by now.
But that's not what they're doing.
So everybody keeps continuing to make money.
The CIA keeps making money, keeps making money off the drugs, of child trafficking, of any other arms trafficking, whatever radioactive material, anything you can think of.
It's still going on.
And they want to protect that while still satisfying Trump's objectives that he is focused on.
And that's what I can see play out.
But I'm now on the hog for 100 bucks, right?
Because I said, Iran, they're going to get rid of the Islamists and they're going to come up with some sort of, you know, nice.
If the soldiers in Iran have as many brains as the police officers, right?
Which is, you know, still to be seen, they will come up with a solution.
They will get rid of it.
Number two, I wager in three or four months.
So I would say April or May, we'll have gas prices under $2 again.
I'm sure.
And the other thing that's mind-blowing is that the gas price going down by that much.
I mean, it was $350 before.
So almost halving it, right, is a huge achievement.
The volume of oil that stands behind it is stupendous.
But also stocking up the strategic oil reserves, because that volume has been used to keep the price low, to swamp the market, to keep the price lower than it would have been naturally under Biden and his bullshit.
So doing both lowering the price and stocking up reserves, because if you buy oil to stock up the oil reserves, the price goes up.
So we will see both.
And by the end of it, I would say by the end of the year, certainly Venezuela's oil reserves will be completely under control.
And, you know, Venezuela will see improvements.
How quickly that goes, it's always down to negotiations inside because there's this organized crime cartel in the government that will not disappear overnight.
So then it's really up to the Venezuelan people and how much pressure Trump is willing to exert.
But I look, I'm confident.
I think Venezuela and Iran, even though it doesn't look like it, are on the up and up.
100 bucks, I put in.
You will cash in in May.
I take those wagers both.
And I do put your assessment of these mystery why buttons.
What the hell is going on there?
Yes.
So there were two things that I read.
So I read the report by one eyewitness who survived.
Sounded like he was a security guard or in the military or bystander, whatever.
But I heard two allegations, reports.
Number one was that they had some sort of, they called it a sonic weapon.
And they said that suddenly it felt like their head, you know, their head was being crushed under pressure.
They started bleeding.
Inside out, blazing from the mouth, vomiting.
And so on.
Now, the thing is, the thing about that is if you are outside, that can be a sonic weapon.
Yes, kinda.
But if you're inside a building and also sonic weapon, remember, sonic weapon travels through air.
So if you go behind a brick wall and you are shielded from the weapon, the brick wall cannot transmit the vibrational frequency of the medium.
So it's going to shield you.
However, however, if you're using directed energy weapons, right, Reddy's classical directed energy weapon is a microwave weapon.
Microwaves go through a standard size European brick walls.
I think you have a drop-off intensity of about 50%.
So after the second brick wall, you get, you know, 25%, a quarter of the original.
So it can easily go through two or three brick walls.
And if you crank up the power, you can fry somebody.
But that's microwave weapons.
Now, these modern directed energy weapons that I'm being shot with, they are very special indeed.
Number one, I suspect that they are not acoustic, but electromagnetic, and that they are novel electromagnetic waveforms.
I have reason to believe that they are not particle beams because particle beams, again, in a brick wall would scatter.
You know, that's just that's just what we observe in particle physics at high energies.
You have a huge loss in a beam if it ever hits a brick wall or something.
So particle beams are kind of not ideal to go through walls.
But electromagnetic waves, especially if it's novel waveforms where you can kind of stagger where the kind of the wave crest hits, is it going to be traveling through the wall and then hitting a person, you know, so that it doesn't get absorbed in the wall.
Now, if you do that, and I have, I had this feeling of my head almost exploding, the sensation, I know it extremely well.
They never hit me so hard that I was bleeding through my nose.
But those are pulsed energy projectiles.
And they are basically very rapidly firing shock waves that, you know, basically hemorrhage and break up your tissue inside.
And that's so when it just hits your skull, you feel this kind of like pressure, but it goes through your skull.
So you also feel it on the other side where you have nerves, right?
Which is why you feel it on both sides.
And depending on how hard they batter you, yeah, you can die from this stuff.
Would it turn your mush?
Yes, quite literally, yes.
Yes.
So microwave weapons were charcoal flesh.
There are examples of microwave weapons having been used, kind of that violating the Geneva Conventions too, on civilians.
One example was when doctors basically were called to this place and it was an entire civilian bus where everybody was decapitated, but with a perfect line at the height of the windows.
And the heads were gone.
They were vaporized.
That sounded like a microwave weapon.
You know, there are also images of people's limbs being charcoaled so that even bones are burnt off and the rest is charcoal.
That's a microwave weapon.
But these rapidly firing pulsed energy projectiles, they basically break up bone, they break up tissue, hemorrhaging, internal brain bleeding, anything, internal bleeding of any kind.
And you might not see it on the outside, depending on where they deposit the energy.
Sorry.
In Lahaina, Hawaii, Pacific Mausé, we have charcoal.
I mean, it's a human body.
You can even see the corn river.
It's nothing, but charcoal.
I take it removed all the water from the body.
You got the outline of a dog.
It's still standing there, a cat, just charcoal.
I suppose if you hit it, it would just come apart.
But there it is.
It's got that perfect outline.
It's the silhouette, but it's bereft of water.
Is that how it works?
Removing all the water content from the body and burning it.
If you want to see what it looks like, take a little piece of steak and put it in the microwave and cook it for as much as you bear.
You know, your microwave can take it.
Yeah, that's what you would have.
And you know, there's this, so it's called the active denial system.
It's a big old dish that goes on top of a tank or something or pickup truck, wherever you want to put it.
And they, you know, the advert, the advertisement from the US military was like, oh, it doesn't really penetrate your skin.
And you have these soldiers that they demonstrate it on.
And they all go, and they can't take the pain and jump aside.
Well, yeah, at low settings, you will slightly burn the skin.
It will be unbearable for the fraction of a second, enough for a human being, you know, to scatter.
But if you really crank it up, that's where you hit it with this huge microwave dish, you can charcoal an entire crowd in probably moments, you know, minutes maybe.
Yeah.
You know, depending on how much oomph you put into it, it depends on whatever power you can transport with that thing.
But yes, so these things look also cutesy-cutesy, but no, they have been tried in Iraq, horrific injuries.
I mean, you know, talk about cruel and unusual punishment.
It is beyond anything most people can imagine.
The doctors who had to deal with it were horrified.
And then the other thing is, the other thing with microwave weapons is that if you, for example, have a piece of metal, any curved piece of metal, so you're aiming at a bunch of people, but there's a curved piece of metal.
Well, the microwave beam that hits that metal is going to be reflected and you're going to charcoal somebody you never intended to charcoal, maybe even yourself.
So, but as horrific as that is, that is still just microwave weapons.
And they are as good as ancient technology.
You know, that's from the mid-20th century, nothing to write home about.
The new stuff, the pulsed energy projectiles, the directed energy weapons, you can basically kill somebody on the other side of a wall without any impact holes, any bullet holes.
And it very much, the description sounded like it was rapidly firing pulsed energy projectiles that also hit people inside buildings.
And that's probably what freaked them out.
So that's number one.
But the other thing that was very interesting, huh?
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
So the second thing, so, you know, my research was directed energy weapons.
That's one topic.
The other one is body chips.
Now, regarding the body chips, this is exactly what I was trying to warn the Secret Service about.
If you listen to the reports carefully, one eyewitness said that they, first of all, a bunch of drones arrived, right?
Swarms and swarms of drones.
I would guess that those were carrying the directed energy weapons.
And then only a couple of helicopters, like a dozen arrived.
And then a bunch of U.S. soldiers descended down, but it was very few.
It was like 20.
However, when they landed, these guys started shooting.
And the eyewitness said it felt like they were shooting through 300 rounds per minute.
And most of them hit at super high accuracy.
Now, how the fuck does that work?
Well, that works unless you really spray people.
But I don't think that was that.
I think it was a system test.
And I think they deployed their super soldiers because, hey, they might as well.
And then what's happening is that the muscles are remote controlled by AI.
So, you know, once you have practiced how to shoot people and you have chips in every single muscle of your bodies, like I have, and like many people do without knowing, an AI or computer can see through your eyes what you can see if you have the eye implants, can hear what you're hearing, has the full data that you have, and can react at machine speed to the environment.
So you're just looking through your eyes, but the computer recognizes people even when the contrast is very dim.
So it sees movements in darkness and so on.
You can also have infrared, you know, goggles and whatnot.
But you have this input, but the ultimate action of shooting is entirely computer steered.
And then you can really trigger muscles at much, much faster speed than normal.
Now, I have already seen machine tests done on civilians of this.
If you Google, I think this was called something like The most incredible muscle spam is muscle spasm on YouTube.
And this guy was filming how his thigh was cramping up.
But when you look carefully, individual muscles in his thigh were being triggered in sequence at machine speed, and it was running through like that.
So it wasn't a normal muscle cramp.
That poor guy is implanted, and the computer did a machine test on his body.
Um, so automating human responses, yes, yes, exactly.
You're sighting and firing and all that, so that it's robotic, but it's a human turned into a robot.
Correct, correct.
And then you have both because the machine can be switched off, and then you're back to human decision making.
But in a situation where you just want to move into a building and you want to kill everybody on the way, the computer can take over and take over your firing for you.
And this is all chipping through chipping.
Exactly.
So the super soldiers would be chipped in their fingers, all the major muscles in their arms, and then you can make the muscles contract or relax just by the chips, like the human body would do.
They can do it to me.
They have done that to me many times.
They can also execute complex movement.
So if you go back and you listen to all the victim testimony over the last couple of decades, anything that you can get hold of, you can see the development.
So back in the 1990s, victims were reporting that they would be somehow knocked out and esthetized and they would be walked by remote control to a place like an embassy.
Now, the location where they end up is usually very telling because embassies are spy infested.
So if you want to have, if the spies do a system test, they would basically make you walk home to their base, right?
And you would have all the cameras, all the equipment right there, you know, to read it out, blah, blah, blah.
All the personnel to then pick up the person and take them back if they malfunction.
Anyway, so these tests on people have been running for decades now.
So the military has like over 30 years experience with the remote control of humans.
Now, the remote control of animals goes back to the Delgado bull experiment.
And that was, I think, in the 1950s, if I remember correctly.
So what I'm saying is, Venezuela was a system test of directed energy weapons and AI-controlled super soldiers.
Now, the relevance to the secret service is the following: when a secret service agent, and I wager there will be many, is implanted without their knowledge and consent, like I have been implanted, or Bill has been implanted, and many Hollywood actors and judges and people, you know, that I shall not name, but you would recognize them.
Well, if a secret service agent is implanted, then anybody who communicates with his body implants and hijacks him or her could make them pull their service weapon and shoot any of the protectees.
Yes.
And there's literally nothing, absolutely nothing that anybody could do about it.
So the only way to get ahead of that is to start finding those people who are implanted without their knowledge and consent and only use people next to Trump who are not implanted.
How can one ascertain whether one is implanted?
Because I think as you and Bill have, I think I have been implanted.
And here's an illustration of why I believe that, Catherine.
Before the last election, Tulsi Gabbert and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came to Wisconsin.
Tulsi was on a farm not far distant, about 20 minutes drive from my home.
And I drove out there and I arrived late.
Everything was breaking up, but she was in the tent.
I got in the right position.
I was perfect to talk with her.
I was just about to give her my thoughts about JFK and 9-11.
And boom, it was like a flight response.
I turned and zipped out of there, got my car.
I was gone before I knew it.
And I was asking myself, what the hell am I doing?
It was utterly involuntary, and I had no control over it.
And I felt idiotic.
And I could just see her turning to her aid and saying, This is the effect I have on me.
And, you know, she was then at a big center here days later.
And I went to see her again.
You know, say hello.
Again, I came late.
I had a copy of my fourth book on JFK for RFK Jr.
I went through the line and spoke with Tulsi, but I couldn't explain, you know, my behavior.
I mean, it was, it was out of my control, literally.
I mean, I was on the car driving home and I was saying to myself, what the hell?
Yeah, that is, you are guaranteed implanted.
Absolutely.
Because they can do muscle control, but they also can do cognitive hijack by just triggering different parts of the brain.
Now, the way it works is that it can work.
How it exactly works in an individual is hard to tell.
But one way it can be made to work, for example, is if you have.
So when I found my own chips and when I looked at other victims, they don't just have one chip.
They have an entire network distributed over the scope.
Okay.
So when you have a chip and you turn it on, you can kind of let current into the area.
It can feel like a pull, but you can also trigger different parts of the brain through that.
You wouldn't even notice that your part of your brain is set on the current.
Yeah, did I?
Was I just removed?
Yeah, well, you're back.
Okay, okay.
Somebody got their nickels in a twist the way you're talking.
How could I find out?
Could I have the chip removed?
I mean, if it's on.
Here's the thing.
I know.
So, yeah, you have exactly the same questions everybody has.
So, number one, finding the chips is super easy, super easy.
And this is what I was trying to explain to the Secret Service discreetly, but I tried for a year.
They stonewalled me.
So fuck them.
I'm just going to make it public.
So here's what you do.
And this is what I wanted to propose to the Secret Service.
You basically set up a room.
Okay.
They have SCIFs, they have electromagnetically shielded rooms in the government, absolutely freaking everywhere, right?
It could be a storeroom, a SCIF, a meeting room, right?
They have meeting rooms that are electromagnetically shielded.
All you need to do is put one person in there and put a spectrum analyzer next to them, right?
And then when you close the door and you make sure you do a system test before without the person, it should flatline at zero.
You put the person in.
Any frequencies you pick up will come out of the person, right?
I mean, you leave mobile phones behind and stuff like that.
But if you go in, it's completely non-invasive because this stuff communicates with the ambient environment.
So you can pick it up from the ambient environment.
And yes, it's true that these days they're going to nanotech and this and that.
And you have little nanobots that are influenced by magnetic fields.
All that is true.
However, they will always, in my assumption or my analysis, there will always be a classical body area network reliant on these good old chips that will emit just like anything else, like a cell phone, Bluetooth, and so on.
So it means that even if the true method of hijacking your brain is done with nanotech, at some point, you know, the commands of what to do have to go via a classical chip because that's what you can communicate with.
That's the on-body system, control system.
And from that, you can kind of, you know, spread the information and the, you know, trigger other chips that communicate with the nanotech, blah, blah, blah.
But overall.
I wager also, Jim, that you are implanted according to the exact same pattern that Bill has implanted and that I'm implanted and any other person as well, because I found that irrespective of continent or country the victim came from, the pattern of implanting is always symmetric across the body and seems to be the same.
So I think there's one NATO chipset, one NATO way of implanting people, and that's what they've deployed everywhere.
And it means also, and this is why I was trying to say to the Secret Service, I wanted to say, look, you can have a civilian program where people like Bill and I and you, and I tell you, half of Hollywood and, you know, judges, right, and many people you would know, they would love to just rock up one day discreetly, sit in a room for 15 minutes and be told, yes, you have chips or no, you don't have them, most likely, right?
So, but then when you listen to the people and they tell you why exactly they suspected to have chips in the first place, you get all these anecdotes and you can kind of train your ear to recognize the different system tests that the military contractors have been running on their bodies.
So in other words, when you listen to the civilians, you get a lot of information and learning that you can then apply to maybe your active service agents, right?
This could be FBI, I mean, police officers, soldiers, secret service agents, FBI agents, any sort of armed federal agents were the perfect people to implant for the cabal because they always carry a weapon that you can use, you know, against their will.
So anybody in the secret service is like a prime target.
And then of course, any of the whistleblowers or people who investigate the intelligence agencies like yourself or the Dhamma God, I, you know, I can tell you now that he's very likely also implanted.
Anybody else, Alex Jones, Jimmy Doe, anybody who speaks against the system, maybe even Candace Owens, though her father-in-law sits in the House of Lords.
So, you know, the jury is still out on Candace.
But anybody who doesn't have these top-level connections, right?
Yes, they are implanted by now.
I'm pretty sure about it.
You know?
That's it.
And what, if anything, should I do about it?
Okay, here's what you can do.
This is the plan for 2026.
There is, I'm telling you, there's absolutely no way around getting through to Tulsi, to Trump, and to Sean Curran about this.
We can forget about the DOJ with Pam Bondi and Cash CU and Valhalla Patel.
They, as far as I know, those two are deep state agents.
And the DOJ and the FBI is other people who are running this program still.
So forget those.
But the other three, I do still trust them.
They all need to know about this by yesterday.
And what you could help me is get through to your contacts and say, look, this is serious.
We need to get through.
Bill and I have been messed around by an intel plant who assured us that she has direct contacts to Tulsi Gabbard.
And we were trying to get through to stop our own torture so that we can actually put the information out that we know and help people.
But we're being tortured to death.
And it turned out that this whole thing was a lie, but she strung us a lot along for the whole of the last year.
So I am planning Tulsi strangulation.
No, no, no, not Tulsi.
I don't think Tulsi ever was notified.
This Intel plant, basically.
Contact.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was a sandboxing exercise.
So I can tell you exactly what my plan is to help people like you and Bill and all the other victims.
I want to set up the same testing facility that I set up with the human rights charity with a Belgian university.
Now, the government can set it up super easily.
It's not even like peanuts for them.
It's like small change, right?
It's the sums of money that you need.
It's the stuff that usually falls off the ledger with the government.
It's really like nothing.
It's canteen money.
Okay.
So once you have a room like that, a measurement takes about 15 minutes per person, 15 minutes, half an hour, if you really want to take your time and run maybe several iterations of this.
And there could be a preliminary measurement report.
So we would first, in the first run, I would want to look rapidly for people who are definitely implanted, interview them afterwards, find out what exactly they've experienced.
Because by now, I can read the world from just snippets of evidence that are given to me because I've been around this stuff for so long.
And I wanted to build up a rapid learning process so that the secret service learns about these remote controlled people, learns how to spot them.
When you get really good, you cannot just have magnet, what's it called, magnetometers?
I don't know how to pronounce it, but those little gates you go through when you go to an event.
Well, at airports, I strongly suspect that they are, as Catherine Austin Fitz said, they are already measuring our chips.
We're basically like chip cattle when we go through to an air, you know, at the airport.
But you can have magnetometers that would also pick up chip signals.
So you would, you could be able to tell that the person going through is non-consensually implanted, right?
You could make sure that they don't have weapons.
You could be mindful of this.
But it's the general population is not even the biggest problem.
The biggest problem are armed federal agents that can be weaponized at any point by anyone, by the way, by anyone.
So it's already well known that you can have a stingray that I think you can even buy these things, you know, of the black market yourself.
But you can buy a stingray and you can already pull the cell phone data of an entire area of town.
Well, you can have a stingray and send signals and interface with people's body chips and weaponize them.
And there's no effective way to really block these signals.
It's a nightmare.
Scary shit.
Scary as shit.
And the thing is.
The secret service has no idea.
Well, I've been trying to tell them since September 24.
All right.
And I think at first they didn't believe me.
I had the feeling that some feelers were being put out and they were finding out who Bill and I truly were.
Fine.
Like I've been gangstalked my whole life.
Have at it.
But now after they saw a live demonstration sitting in the control room at Mar-a-Lago, seeing these super soldiers, my message to them is: hey, anybody around you at Mar-a-Lago while you're watching it can be weaponized the same way.
You can take somebody, a federal agent, and just wipe out the whole of Mar-a-Lago.
And all you need, I'm not sure if there's any electromagnetic shielding around Mar-a-Lago, but hey, you could be anywhere where there's no shielding.
You can launch the attack at any point, anywhere.
And there's nothing anybody on earth can do once this thing gets going.
Now, given that I've just told you this, right?
If you lean back and think about it, this is not the sort of stuff I should be saying publicly, right?
I should be saying it discreetly to direct the current behind closed doors and then set up a rapid testing facility and teach them what I know so that they can find out who's implanted or not.
But after one year, I'm sorry, we're running out of time.
So I'm saying it publicly now.
From now on, I will say everything publicly.
And I just hope to sweet fuck that President Trump saw the Venezuela action.
And when he hears super soldiers, remote controlled, AI-enabled, a picture will map to something he saw unfold in Venezuela live.
And he will think, oh, shit, this is real.
You know?
Wow.
Right.
And now you know what I have been doing the entire last year.
This is why I was so desperate to go to the Secret Service.
And this is also why I went to the Secret Service and not to the FBI or anybody else, because the FBI are the people who are doing it.
And the Secret Service are the people who need to know about it and need to do something about it.
And just as in my astonishing departure from my conversation with Tulsi, I had no control over it, Catherine.
None.
Totally involuntary.
I mean, I was overjoyed.
I had the right situation, the right party, the person I wanted to speak to.
I had important things I wanted to say.
And boom, I was out of there.
I was gone.
I was on my car, all right, driving home.
What the fuck?
Yeah, look, it's overwhelming when it happens to you.
And the best way we can look, because I can tell you about two incidences where it was done to me.
And I think I already told you when they hijacked my parents.
So when they did it to me, they did a cognitive, like a cognitive hijack, and they did a physical hijack.
Now, the cognitive hijack was when I met Catherine Austin Fitz in Zurich for the first time.
She's one of my big idols.
Like this woman has brains like nobody else, right?
So I followed her content.
She taught me so much.
And at some point, she was in Zurich and I had an opportunity to meet her.
So I got into the car to drive to the meeting.
And on the drive, out of nowhere, I was on the verge of bursting to tears, turning around and going back home, just like you.
But I'm not sure if you can tell, but I'm not a woman who's prone to, you know, theory episodes.
So I was sitting there in the car going, what the exact fuck is going on?
Had I just listened to myself and reacted and let myself react, I would have turned around and gone home just like you.
But instead, I kind of overrode this and I thought, no, this is not me.
I'm being, I'm being neurologically hijacked.
So I forced myself to continue.
And fortunately, there was no physical hijack that they really turn around the car using my arms or something like that.
But then as I accelerated out of this, what I noticed is that the feeling stopped as I overtook this car that was hovering next to me.
And there was this guy with a big all-seeing eye, tattoo on his arm, like leaning out through an open window.
And he was just, he just looked at me and laughed as I drove past.
And as soon as I overtook the car, I felt normal again.
So I thought, oh, holy shit, I must have been in some sort of microwave beam and they are interfacing with my head chips.
Whatever.
It was located in the car.
Yeah, it could have been exactly.
So I think in that case, I might have been in a beam and he might have had some emitter in the back.
You know, in your case, they can easily hide something in the dashboard, right?
They can even use your cell phone to send certain, you know, frequencies or chip control signals that will then trigger the chips.
This whole system is so sophisticated.
I can go through every single avenue that they can do it.
But the point is, it can be done.
And once it gets started, it is almost impossible to override.
Now, that was the cognitive hijack.
The physical hijack was when I just, you know, I left the home.
I wanted to go on a picnic by myself in Switzerland.
And I drove out to the middle of the forest, taking good care that there are no cell towers anywhere near me.
And I just pulled up in this beautiful little meadow, just flopped out in a little blanket.
And I was just eating, I think, a sandwich and an apple.
And as I was cutting up the apple with a little penknife, I was just sitting there, you know, munching on apple, just looking to the countryside.
And suddenly, my arm that held the penknife grabbed it real, real tight.
My other hand lifted itself and I cut myself.
Really?
Yeah.
And I don't have any tendency to self-harm.
Absolutely not.
Right.
And in that moment, my arms felt like a very slight sensation of pins and needles.
You know, if you ever have that, that you feel pins and needles and you feel like you can't control your arms.
But the thing is that the energy to move the muscles did not come from my brain.
But it was overpowering.
I was trying to just like, as the knife, because it was, they did it in slow motion.
And as the knife is approaching my hand and I'm holding my hand, I could not move my hand.
And that's because the chip signal is stronger than what the brain can send.
So it overrides anything that you're trying, you know, to send to your hand through your brain.
So scary, right?
That was terrifying.
And then they stopped, and I regained control of my hands again.
But man, what a live demonstration that was.
So I believe everything you just told me, and I'm 100% sure it's chips, Jim.
I don't see how it could be anything else because I pondered.
This was so odd and so uncharacteristic of me.
I mean, I'd gone out of my way to set up.
I was in the perfect situation just where I wanted to be with a party I wanted to address.
And I knew what I wanted to say.
And boom, I'm out of there.
I'm out of there.
I'm gone.
Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly what I would have done, you know, with the meeting in Catherine Austin Fitz.
And I've really wanted to meet her.
I've been looking forward to that for weeks, you know, in the buildup.
And I know exactly what you mean by that.
And it took really a conscious thought of, hang on, I'm being hijacked.
I'm not falling for this.
And just continuing anyway.
But what's even more shocking is how quickly that sensation poofs away when it stops, either because they stop messing with your chips or you step out of the beamline, you know, the microwave beamline.
I'm sure it was my cell phone on this little flip phone.
And yeah, I don't, it's not available to lots of forms of surveillance, but I have no doubt that was a mechanism.
Can the chips be removed?
I mean, can they be in principle?
Like this would be really down the line.
In principle, they can be removed exactly with that same, well, almost the same level of non-invasiveness that they have been implanted.
However, for that, you need to have literally a syringe with a it's like a magnetometer tip.
The materials exist by now, and you can find the chip by just inserting a fine needle and then, you know, basically grabbing the chip and only the chip instead of doing mega surgery and ending up with countless scars, right?
Because the number of chips that the, and I'm talking big chips, not nanotech.
So the number of big clonking chips that the average victim has, the highest number that was measured at any one time was 50.
That was Dr. Melissa Black, an African-American castor.
Yep.
50 chips in her body.
However, about a third or a quarter of the chips are on at any one particular point in time.
They go radio silent for a couple of minutes.
So, you know, I would estimate that the true number is like three or four times that.
So we're looking at 100, 150, 200 chips.
How does this, how do they implant them?
How do they have the opportunity?
I had open heart surgery where I was completely unconscious a few years ago.
That might have been an occasion, but you know, I would trust my surgeon.
I wouldn't think he'd be up to this.
I don't know what to say.
I mean, you know.
Here's the thing.
If it's in hospital, it's not necessarily during surgery when you're under.
It can be done and you can be knocked out sufficiently just if you fall asleep in hospital.
It can be done by any nurse, you know.
So that's the thing.
Some people go in into hospital with a sprained ankle, just happen to stay overnight and come out chipped, you know?
So it doesn't, it does not require to have full anesthesia for surgery, not at all.
The other thing is where people are implanted frequently, I mean, in addition to prisons and college dorm rooms, the latter was how I got implanted.
The other very favorite way for the intel agencies is hotel rooms.
And that's because the key can be easily copied.
You can go in.
You can set up, you know, some hotel rooms have connecting doors.
You can almost, if you want to set up a mini operating table next door, you know, put somebody, pull somebody over.
You can also do it in situ in the hotel room because implanting is shockingly fast.
You can inject some of the smaller chips and some of the bigger surgery scars I've seen, they seem to be done with laser surgery.
So handheld laser scalpel, small cut that doesn't bleed because the laser is so hot.
You put in the chip and you seal it with tissue glue.
So people, if they wake up with a random paper cut on their back, back of their shoulders, they wouldn't know any different, you know.
So look, it is mind-blowing and it sounds fantastical.
And my eyes were opened when we did the measurements in Belgium.
And 100% of the victims who came forward and claimed to have chips, we found chips in them and zero in the control sample.
And the control sample were random people, nothing to do with anything.
Right.
So not everybody is implanted, but the measurements are super quick.
And when you start finding people and you're like, holy shit, they're mitting like a mobile phone, that's when it really hits home.
That's when it hits different and you think, oh, shit, this is real.
Well, my conversation with you and Bill have been extraordinary, but I think this hits a new level of significance.
And I'm really blown away, Catherine.
I'm just the super soldiers.
You know, philosophically, I've made the point forever.
I mean, I founded an international journal on artificial intelligence, philosophy, cognitive science, where I was opposed.
I've been a main critic of the computational model.
It came minds operate in the same manner as digital machines.
And I've explained why that's not the case.
So I've explained you can't turn these inanimate machines into thinking things.
But what the project has been to turn thinking things into inanimate machines.
And that's exactly what you're outlining here.
I mean, philosophically, I made the case for this 20, 30 years ago.
I mean, back in books published 1980.
It did 1990.
I mean, I was publishing about this kind of stuff, 1990s.
So, God, it's fascinating.
And the super soldiers, I think that is probably as conclusive a demonstration that they have the capacity we could possibly ask for.
There it is.
There was thank goodness for a few survivors that tell us what they experienced.
Yeah, yeah.
But you know, the scary thing is that super soldiers can also be single mothers in Frankfurt, Kentucky, children, you know, anybody, anybody who's strong enough to hold and pull the trigger on a gun.
So there has to be a phase of rapid testing where the population is tested and a phase of rapid learning for the non-deep state part of the government.
So as in Trump and Tulsi and, you know, Sean Curran, I don't think they know anything about this.
Frankly, I think the population of potential assassins is endless.
Yes, yes.
But once you, once you start collecting leads, and it has to be done now, because right now Trump still has, if he wanted to, he has access to all the NSA databases.
He can have this rolled up for his own protection and the protection of his family members.
And he needs to do it now.
Frankly, he needed to have started a year ago, but he needs to do it in 2026 for absolute sure.
He needs to get this project started.
Now, the weight, it's not as bad as it seems because when you start picking up leads, you can trace back where they got implanted.
You can find the contracts because these people get messed with by remote control.
And you can very rapidly roll this back up.
It will lead to the same companies, the same agencies.
We all know who they are.
So it's not as bad as it seems.
Should we not infer that Trump himself may be chipped?
Oh, yeah.
Personally, I would think so.
Yeah.
By the way, one of the things that can be done with chips is also, so you can send currents, you can trigger relax muscles, you can mimic the pain signal, you know, cause pain stronger than what the brain can generate.
But also, by using, I don't know how exactly they do it, probably also with frequencies, you can make the tissue around the chips start swelling up ludicrously, start accumulating a lot of water.
And remember that there was this odd stuff with Trump's hands swelling at some point?
Yeah, and ankles.
And ankles.
They have done one system test where they swelled up one ankle of mine to the size of an elephant leg.
That was one of the things they did in Switzerland.
Yeah.
And I was just sitting there normally.
I didn't even notice.
And I looked down and there was like a clear-cut line where my ankle was swollen and where it was normal.
So back then I thought, oh, this might have been a beam, but it can also be done with chips.
So, you know, look, if they hadn't implanted Trump, if they hadn't implanted Alex Jones, Jimmy Doe, you, you know, some other high-profile people, they would have missed a trick.
They would have just like, you know, missed an opportunity.
And I don't think they missed any.
This is just fucking amazing, Catherine.
Well, I can't thank you enough.
I'm so glad we caught up with each other today.
And you give my regards to Bill and tell him, you know, I want you guys to survive all this harassment, but this was really a stunning conversation, Catherine.
The perfect start to 26.
Let's tidy this up.
Well, you are wonderful and I so appreciate it.
And everyone who watches this, I think, is going to be blown away.
So thank you, Catherine Horton, Bill Benny recuperating.
We'll be back again next week with another real deal special with, in my mind, the world's intellectual power copy.