REAL DEAL Christmas Special! (Dec 18, 2025) with Bill Binney & Katherine Horton
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Well, it's my great pleasure once again to have the opportunity to introduce Bill Benny and Catherine Horton under fire as a real deal, especially interviews have been simply sensational.
And I'm just overjoyed.
Catherine gave a presentation, the final.
She was my cleanup hitter in the False Fighting Conspiracy 2025, my sixth annual conference here.
And it was just a smash.
The whole thing cathedral with a perfect end to the perfect day.
Everyone came through.
I was really, really happy.
So well done.
I should also say my talk was about the assassination attempts that I survived and so on.
So it was fitting for it being about the end, you know?
Yet you survived.
And you're using those diagrams of the cars and how they're trying to trap you.
And at the point I was saying to Bill, using a female driver because women are dispensable.
Wow.
Wow.
And I've seen it many times over.
I've seen it with the, there was a hit on one of Bill's children, and the car waited for his son to drive by to smash into the car sideways from a stationary point to try to kind of bounce him into a like a concrete pole to try to kill him.
And again, it was a female driver.
It was a young black lady, you know.
But also in her case, when I we went to the accident scene and they were still there.
And when I first saw her from a distance, I thought it's a young man because she had muscles.
So I think she had like military build.
So she was being trained by the military and she was trained to kill people.
So they captured the driver who tried to kill him?
Well, that's the thing.
I said to the police attending, I said, look where the car was hit.
It was not like you're trying to make a left turn and you just about miss it.
No, she waited for the car to pass fairly slowly.
And I should say before the accident, everybody was stationary at the red light.
And as he started accelerating, he was driving, what, 30, 30 miles per hour.
She slammed into him and the car was hit whack in the middle.
So that's a hit.
You know, that's not inadvertence.
You've been staring at each other for the full length of a red light.
And then you smash into that car after letting, I think, one or two pass.
And I said, local or state police.
That was the local police in Maryland.
Just, I think it was.
Baltimore police.
I didn't mean to cut you out.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Gabriel.
I guess that's.
Did they follow up on it?
Was there a prosecution?
Anything come of it?
Nope, nothing.
I don't think there was.
No.
I'm not sure about that, but I don't think so.
Anyway, I think this girl, this young girl, thought, you know, there's so much space between the electrons and the protons in the atom that there was enough space to drive through.
Adams would go past one another and miss.
One footnote on that, one footnote that really shocked me because every time when there's a hit, it's not just a hit, there's commentary.
Should you survive, the FBI and their Western counterparts, MI6 and German intelligence, have encoded a commentary.
Every single time I survived something, there was commentary after it.
Now, in this case, by the time I arrived, she stood next to a large, you know, those black trash cans where you put the weekly bin for the council to pick up.
Well, she was standing next to a trash can like that.
And then it was your son who informed us that that trash can was the only thing she carried in the car.
And she was being, she waited to be picked up.
So she didn't have a purse, you know, no pocketbook, no one, no, you know, no wallets.
Without a purse.
Yes.
So it's a young woman, military built, and then the only thing she carried in the car was a black trash can.
So I said to Bill and I said, look at that.
She is being used because she's a woman.
But more than that, the FBI encoded in the spectacle the message, black trash.
These racist bastards.
Because who the hell carries one of those?
Loves doesn't sell it.
Home Depot doesn't sell those things.
You get them from the council.
Once you have one, you have them.
It's like the name of the op.
It was like the name of the op black trash.
Yes, yes.
But it was also commentary because then you know, I've made this comment about the hit drivers being female.
And it's the FBI saying, oh, yeah, we look, we're using black trash.
And we had a case where a black lady crashed into our backyard fence at half past midnight, half past midnight.
And she claimed she, she, it was, it was wild, but she purposefully crashed into our, into our backyard fence.
And yeah, it was, again, a black woman with her two young kids, none of them wearing seatbelts.
You think she broke into the fence to knock it down to weaken your security so someone could get into your house that they couldn't do it.
No, I think it was just a spectacle.
Like we can just sabotage and harm you and do whatever we want to you.
It was a weird thing.
But from the story, so I just want to say to all those whistleblowers and investigators out there, if you survive a hit, have the presence of mind to look for the encoded messages.
Just like false flags have coded messages in them.
These things also have.
And in that case, it was a really racist, sick commentary.
And I just want to say to all these hit drivers, right?
Okay, none of them know me, I don't think.
They don't have a personal grudge.
My question is, is the money really worth it to work for such Nazi fucks?
Is it really worth it to work for the racist FBI who will then, you know, demean you after you try to work for them?
It's sick.
Well, then sacrifice you too.
And sacrifice you, exactly.
We're doing this on Thursday instead of Wednesday because Trump gave a national address last night.
I thought, and I was terribly relieved when he didn't do it.
He was going to announce an invasion of Venezuela.
And I, I, so the whole thing was just his, you know, greatest hits, you know, in about 20 minutes.
It was just one pompous, exaggerated claim after another.
I mean, it amounted to practically nothing.
It was more notable for him staying on the teleprompter.
He kind of rushed through it.
You know, it's like he just wanted to get out of here, get it done.
Normally, he meanders, he'll let his mind wander, something will pop in and he'll just go on and on about it, but not this time.
For Trump, it was rushed, but it didn't have any substance.
Your take?
Your take?
I mean.
I'm wondering the following, because I thought the whole thing about shooting, you know, speedboats and empty bus boats was so ludicrous.
It was more swashbuckling.
It definitely didn't make a dent in the drug trade.
It's also, I mean, the total value of these boats for a nation state is piffling.
Okay.
So, and Venezuela can still traffic drugs, you know, on cargo ships and, you know, on trucks.
So that was not what this was about.
And I'm wondering if those were just dominance displays behind the scenes.
There was some deal making.
And finally, Maduro folded.
So there was absolutely no point for this press conference.
Maybe the point of the press conference was to make people at least believe he's going to announce the invasion of Venezuela.
You know, so much is about make-believe and all this in the deal making and the politics of it.
And then behind the scenes, they did something.
The whole purpose for the press conference moved into thin air and all this buildup was not necessary anymore.
They got what they wanted.
And therefore, he just, you know, quickly ran through something, a prepared speech from, you know, six months ago and just ticked it off.
See, I think that the Russians have prepared the Venezuelans to deal with the threat, that they have the anti-ship missiles that we can't stop.
They could take out everyone in the flotilla, put them at the bottom of the sea.
I've been looking for this catastrophe to occur.
And I just don't know if cooler minds figured out maybe this isn't such a smart idea.
But you're suggesting maybe behind the scene, Maduro, Maduro was going out of his way to be cooperative, by the way, to avoid this.
So in the past, so I don't know, you know, quite what to say.
You're believing or guessing maybe there's been a deal that has been worked out now.
But what's it going to be?
What's oil?
It's going to be oil.
He was offering U.S. oil before we had the big buildup.
So I don't know that it's.
It will get more cheaper.
We will get more cheaper.
Because here's the thing: the biggest drive, the biggest, most visible thing for the midterms will be the oil price.
And Trump has been working overtime to do whatever he can, which is still, he just has some high-level levers.
He doesn't control this.
The price of gasoline is going to affect the midterm outcome.
And if he can bring it down by $1 a gallon, people are going to be so grateful they'll vote for him.
I think if they can see, because that's something that everybody sees weekly, everybody rolls into some station or daily.
Yes.
I mean, we don't drive that much, right?
But it's like, yes, absolutely.
And to be honest, for families, it absolutely adds up.
So for a while, I've worked as a financial advisor to get people out of debt.
And the cost of their car is the next thing.
But typically, it's the car loan.
But I mean, also the fuel, that's the third thing after their rent and food.
So, and that's a big thing.
That's a more, but that's more flexible than you know their food.
Well, and he very dumbly tried to poo-poo the affordability issues that Democrat hoax.
It's no hoax.
It's no hoax.
Yeah.
As much as the Edstein thing wasn't a hoax.
Yeah.
But I mean, I think maybe then this is related to his answer to affordability issues, raises charges against his administration.
And here's one thing that we also have to keep in mind because I was trying to follow what Trump actually said and also try to map what the environment immediately around him actually looks like because people don't notice but or don't know but people sorry Trump does not have the time to read individual tweets or truths on TrueSocial.
He does not, I mean, he barely scrapes the news media.
So his entire information mapping is dependent on his advisors who have the easiest time creating an echo chamber.
And I have indirect evidence that some of his advisors are CIA and were part of trying to kill him.
But also they will do anything they can to sabotage him.
There's also evidence of that.
So what they will do is create a different picture to President Trump than what the American people are trying to tell him.
The American people are trying to tell him we need more help because everything is still expensive.
If you take inflation to even zero, prices don't go down.
Prices going down is negative inflation.
And nobody could afford the prices already two, three, four years ago.
Now they're still being bled dry by the prices.
So prices have to come down.
The affordability crisis from we the people was, oh, we just still can't afford it.
We need prices to actually come down or wages to go up.
So what is Trump doing?
Well, what are his advisors doing?
They are telling Trump that everybody who uses the keyword affordability crisis is trying to blame him for it.
And of course, Trump's going to reply to that, but he doesn't reply to the American people.
He replies to whatever his advisors told him the American people out on the media are saying.
Same thing with Epstein.
He was replying to the implication that he was an Epstein client.
That's not what people meant when they said, you know, the Epstein thing is not a hoax.
The hoax was that he was referring to it's a hoax to claim I was a client, you know, and it sounded like he was saying, oh, the whole Epstein thing is a hoax.
He never had any clients.
You know, Ghillaine Maxwell went to jail over nothing, which is, of course, nonsense.
So now with the affordability crisis, Trump thinks everybody who says affordability crisis, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, means, oh, it's Trump's fault.
No, we know that inflation was 9% under Biden officially, inofficially more like 15, 20.
We know that.
But affordability for most of the Americans is prices need to come down.
Now, what Trump has done for us, prices in fuel went down by what, like 60 or 80 cents, in our region.
Now, I've already heard of some regions.
It's not us yet, unfortunately, but some regions are already $180, $185 for a gallon of fuel.
That's what Trump left us with when he went out of office.
I have a Costco fuel receipt for $185.
And that was the last time we put fuel into the car before Biden came in.
I never seen that price ever again on a receipt, right?
So that's fuel.
The second thing, housing, he can't control rent prices directly and rent controls never really, you know, were never really a good idea in history.
But what Trump was saying is that there's also a housing crisis.
So house prices.
And that's true.
House prices are directly dependent on demand and the lack of housing built.
And there has been a shortage of houses having not having been built that should have.
But then he's saying that will be solved if you remove millions of people from the US.
That is absolutely true.
If you deport millions of people and they are now in the millions, right?
I think how many?
How many millions left the country?
Partly voluntarily, partly, I think it was like 2 million.
Like 3 million have left.
Yeah.
When you deport three million, you start seeing.
I'm glad to hear three million.
That sounds good.
Yes.
Keep it going.
Keep it going.
Yes, and keep it going.
But the thing is also, you know, for a while, that's going to be great.
And then eventually, when the country reaches its like optimum, that deportations, like large-scale mass deportations, will end up being bad exactly because there's suddenly school closures because nobody has any kids anymore.
You know, suddenly there's nobody to work in elderly care homes.
Suddenly there's, you know, because every person who comes spends money, right?
They buy Starbucks coffees, they have housing, they have a car, blah, blah, blah.
So, but right now, the pressure on housing is definitely coming down, both on actually houses needed as a single family homes, but also especially rentals.
And that's what affects most of the poorest in society.
It's rental prices.
And the only way to get rental prices down is to remove people.
So Germany after the Second World War had extremely low rentals because everybody was dead.
That's a great point.
Yeah.
So During our brief conversation before I began recording, you were mentioning how two days ago Trump was at a conference where Mark Levin was announcing he was the first Jewish president of the United States.
The Jewish Journal Forward has just listed all our presidents by the who is the most Jewish and who is the least Jewish.
I think they're trying to mitigate because I think that's.
I think he didn't realize the damage he was doing in making that statement.
I mean, I have all this footage of Trump in Israel in 2017 when he appears to have converted at the whaling hall.
Volania's with him.
Netanyahu is with him wearing the homaluk the whole bit, you know.
And he's got all these awards.
He's got a closet full of awards that are only given to Jews.
All these Tree of Life awards and all that.
I mean, Trump has a stack of them.
More than anyone else has ever received, period.
I guarantee you, Trump has more.
So, you know.
And then we have this Susie Wiles, the chief of staff, is an avid Zionist who actually ran Netanyahu's campaign before she ran Trump's.
And she's out there saying he's got an alcoholic personality that JD Vance is a conspiracy theorist and other remarks.
And what's going on here?
Fans handle it very deafly with a Michael Moore classic response.
I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true.
I love that.
You know, that's exactly right.
That's what I would have said.
Yeah.
Well, you know, about that incident, I mean, I said in the past that I will support Trump, you know, to the end.
And, you know, you commented many times that, you know, I am just the staunchest supporter, right?
But that thing, somebody sent it to me last night.
By the way, the person who sent it to me turned out to be an Intel cyber harassment agent who then, as soon as I kind of held back, started verb, like in writing, abusing me in the systematic FBI cyber harassment sort of way.
So the FBI wanted me to see that particular footage to probably also rein on my enthusiasm for Trump.
Now, yesterday, I was really pissed off about it, but not because of the Jewish link per se.
What was like, I am an atheist, I'm basically neutral about any of these religions, but what was what was very creepy and frankly disrespectful?
May I demonstrate on you, Bill, with your permission?
Because I wouldn't even do that to Bill.
Let alone to the to the president of the United States.
As Mark Levin came up, he literally grabbed Trump like he on his shoulder between neck and like almost his neck and his shoulder, kind of yanked him tight, sorry, yanked him tight, held him tight, and then also said, hold on, hold on.
It's like he shut up Trump in the whole room and then he said something.
And I was thinking, typically, the Secret Service will break somebody's arm over this.
I mean, not really.
They're not.
That's when he said, this is the first Jewish president of the United States.
That's when he did it.
He grabbed Trump.
Trump said it's true.
Yes, exactly.
And I was just sitting there going, I mean, Trump also, remember, he lives in a social club.
His house is where Mar-a-Lago, the social club, is.
He is the most social, sociable party line sort of personality you can get, right?
He's trying to get along with everybody, including King Jong-un.
Okay.
So he's the most accommodating person you can get.
And yes, he will say anything to police people, right?
Plus his son-in-law is Jewish.
I like Lil Rocket Man.
I like that North Korean dictator.
He's a good guy.
It's crazy.
Know, I know, but he has this kind of like social personality.
But I was thinking, if you look just at the comments on the Forbes breaking news on YouTube, where they showed this little clip about Mark Levin, and so anybody searching for it, Forbes breaking news, Mark Levin, Trump, and Hanukkah was the Hanukkah celebration.
The body language was so off, the security requirements of a U.S. president were so off.
This was not a barbecue somewhere in somebody's house.
The body language being off and all that.
Tell me, tell me, tell me.
So it was basically, I mean, I was born in the Balkans, and there's this like machismo among men in the Balkans that is not acceptable in the West, thank goodness.
But this kind of machismo of grabbing a guy and yanking it, if that's my uncle doing it to my dad at the grill party, it's funny.
But when it's a TV presenter that nobody elected doing it to the unit, and because it's also the office of the president, you don't fuck with the office of the president like that.
And people's instinctive visceral reactions to it were scathing.
I mean, the dislikes are hidden on YouTube these days, but every comment of the 610 that were there this afternoon were negative.
Really?
Really?
100% negative comments.
So the question is: if you've got 610 negative, active comments, you have to be logged in to comment, you have to actively do something, and you have 757 likes, it directly proves that those 70, 50 likes, 750 likes, are bots.
Yeah, those are bots because you have 100% negative comments.
A thumbs up, but there's no comment that corresponds.
Yeah, Exactly.
The other thing is the video had 35,000 views this afternoon, and roughly 10% of people comment.
So you would expect about 3,500.
Not comment.
They don't.
No, no, no, not comment.
They hit like or dislike the less passive version.
So if you've got 35,000, you expect 3,500 hits for dislike or like.
And there were only 750 likes.
So that means you have rounded 3,000 dislikes on the scene.
And I was just saying, I mean, hey, I'm going to stay as far away from the Jewish thing as I can.
I don't care.
I'm about targeted individuals and the intelligence agencies.
But this was the worst thing to do before the midterms.
The worst thing ever.
Very good.
And it was reacting specifically to Levin, grabbing him and saying he's the first Jewish president.
Is that the clip they were?
Wow.
Because the video excerpt, I think, is only two minutes long.
I showed it to you today.
Yeah, about two minutes.
Yeah.
So it's not the whole speech.
People are reacting to specifically Mark Levin going up there, grabbing him, yanking him, holding him close.
I saw it.
I saw it.
Now, Bill has a memory stick with good stuff on it we want to share today.
Yes.
So we want to get this up and we want to do a screen screen share.
Let me check.
Because it's which one, which file do you need?
Yes.
Oh, I see.
Okay, let me scroll down.
Yes, these ones.
First, get this one, PB3.
This one.
Okay.
The problem is this might be a PowerPoint presentation.
I have to open it in.
I could pause if you want.
That's okay.
If we're bringing it up, it's just the format.
Oh.
Go right ahead.
I'm fascinated.
All right, so let me share the screen.
You want to go ahead and screen share?
And I think then, oh, you have to enable us to share the screen.
Oh, yes, yes.
Okay, so let's do this.
And I think it's this one.
All righty.
Can you guys see it at your end?
Yeah, it's a comment.
Yeah.
We got some here.
And I think I can do make it full screen.
All right.
So what would you like to say?
Okay.
Well, this gets back to the some of the stuff we shared with the Secret Service and tried to share with other departments of the government, but of course they didn't want to take it.
But this was done back in 2006 because some of our troops, I think in Iraq it was, ran across a IED and improvised explosive device manufacturing place where the terrorists were putting together these bombs.
And they had that from that, they got material parts that were still serialized and all that.
And they could tell what the serials were and all that, serial numbers.
So you could trace where they got them.
So when they went back through all the trading records, they found certain companies that were in Dubai, the Arab Emirates, ordering parts.
And they were Iranian companies that had moved to Dubai outside of Iran to avoid the restrictions on imports and exports.
So and so they were they were ordering the parts that ended up in IEDs that were used against our troops and Canadians and others in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And you can see that when we got it, we looked at it and said they didn't have enough.
We went back and looked through using Google.
We pulled together a whole bunch more of material that they should have included, but didn't.
So we sent that to them.
All of this material, you see, we sent to them.
And you can see it's pulled together by common attribute.
Here you can see 42340 is the post office box.
That's this column here.
Yeah.
It's marked columns are marked at the top.
And then you have phone numbers, fax numbers, and others.
And you can see they're grouped, 95, 96, 97, 98, and so on.
And they're also shared between company, different company names.
Now, what that means is each company is buying a different part to make up the IED.
So that if they looked at the imports of any one of these companies, they would only see a limited number of parts.
So they couldn't see them making or constructing an IED from that.
So they could approve it.
You know, it would be easy to say, okay, there's nothing there.
But if you pull them together by attributes, then you see that there's a whole group of company names that are involved in doing something in common as an activity.
Now that tells you that, and when you summit, you get all the parts necessary to make the IED.
And then you can see what they're really doing.
So this is like a way of a way of hiding what they're really doing.
But once, go back, go to the next one.
Once they found that out, they published all that data.
Hang on, yes.
I'm bringing up the indictments.
Yes, that one.
They issued this indictment.
And of course, they published it in their own sources saying don't deal with these companies because they're putting together IEDs to kill people in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I think I know what this is.
Sorry, just give me one second so that people can read it properly.
I think it's seven.
No.
They changed it.
An update to Acrobat, and I struggle to get the full screen view.
Well, but anyway, this is just to show that they were indicted, okay?
Very good, very good.
Okay, yes.
So, this is the indictment.
You can look it up on the web if you want.
I think you should also emphasize that all the information that you collated is public information.
It's all there, all pulled out by Google.
No NSA involved in this.
This is just Google information.
I'll go back to the first slide, PP3.
Yep.
Now, after that indictment came out and the publication from the Bureau of Industrial Security, they changed all these group names and don't go to the bottom.
Oh, yeah, sorry.
And you can see they made a mistake.
See this phone number in here?
You have to point for the curse of the mistake.
971.
Yeah.
Those are new numbers.
So we used those new numbers to get the names they changed these names to.
Yeah.
Okay.
And now go to IED.
So, in other words, once they said, hey, we're discovered, they changed the old names.
Well, actually, they left them there and left the CBP and everybody looking at the old names and changed the new names and did the same thing again.
They had multiple names.
Yeah.
And they thought that would be sufficient.
Yeah, but the and then these were the new names.
So we decided this is a technique we needed to use on every Iranian company in Dubai.
And there were 180 or two or three, 200, something like that, companies in there.
And when we went to it, we found not only did we get the new names for the ones that we knew and should alert, but Customs and Border Protection took it, but they didn't do anything with it.
They didn't alert it.
They didn't do anything as far as I know.
But at the same time, we pulled together 57 other activities of Iranian companies in Dubai.
And they did absolutely nothing as far as I can tell with them.
But more importantly, this was a technique I found Bernie Madolf's activity with this way, you know, looking for shared attributes.
I also found attempts using the U.S. Postal Service to do fraudulent solicitations.
I did that too, and using this shared attribute technique.
And I said, well, all we have to do then is scrape all the sites that advertise companies in the world, run these kind of shared attributes, commonality, common phone numbers, common fax numbers, things like that, pull them all together, and we can see who's doing all this nefarious stuff around the world.
Every one of them.
And then since we had a subcontract with CBP at the time, I was looked into some of their data and matched it up.
And I took a sample of it.
And I went through and I found that I could estimate how many.
That's when I said, I think in previous message, a previous show of one of yours that my first estimate of a program doing this would pull out about 40,000 targets initially.
Yeah.
And that was based on just looking at shared attributes in a small sample of what they had, and then extrapolating it to the side entire and assuming a uniform distribution, you know, and extrapolating it to the size of the, they had close to half a billion records, I think.
So, and to me, that was the same thing, but we should have been doing this for the entire world.
And it would have, what it would have done was focused in all the all the efforts that you had on things that were doing act were doing, had properties that looked like they were hiding something.
Yes.
You know, and that's like, that's like a key thread to say this is suspicious and is probable cause to look at them.
Yes, good, yes.
And so, therefore, that would have been the basis for it.
And it would have focused them on high, high-value payoff.
In each of these cases, were you looking at those putting together improvised explosive devices or other weapons?
Yeah, or smuggling drugs or doing any kind of activity.
They have the attributes and look for the attributes as they're distributed and then put together in a certain arrangement to produce the outcome.
Yeah.
Very good.
I mean, but it would work for the entire world.
You could get people smuggling guns, smuggling weapons, smuggling other kinds of weapons, you know, whatever, whether it was, you know, whether it was money laundering or anything.
You could get that too.
I mean, we got Bernie Madoff using this technique.
Bill, when you can give them these kinds of resources, I mean, it's criminal not to use them.
Well, that's what I was planning on doing until I couldn't stick around with the government anymore once they started violating the Constitution.
I couldn't do that.
So I, you know, but when Trump came in, I thought, well, maybe it's worth it because he's the first politician that wasn't a politician, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, first president, yeah, figure clout who wasn't a professional politician.
Yeah.
There's reason to think he might have integrity.
Yeah.
Anyway, so far, I've heard nothing from anybody.
And I don't even know there's a number of steps you have to take and do.
You got to clean up the data first, you know, and stuff like that.
But, you know.
But conceptually, it's so clear.
Caught.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
You think even an American government official can understand.
Yeah, but see, if they're doing a bunch of criminal activity, they'll be picked up.
Of course.
Of course.
We're peeing in their pants.
That's right.
I think that this is exactly why, because by just mapping, and really for, I'm a particle physicist, and for particle physics data analysis, this is super basic.
Yeah.
From just that you have observable facts, like a PO box is not under the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
There's no ambiguity.
You either have the PO box or you don't.
It's completely observable, right?
P or not P.
Yes.
So telephone numbers, all stuff like that.
And that's not the only thing that NSA has on these people.
They have all the chatter, every single phone content from going back to 2001.
So that's also super easy to run over.
Once you know where you look, you can focus in on certain calls and map the whole thing.
Yes.
And imagine if you marry that all the phone address and phone number databases of the world.
Yeah.
Right.
And all other kinds of IRS reporting, all kinds of stuff.
But it should be said, right, that this is, and this is, I think, the key thing.
NSA had all this already in the year 2000.
And you published the Thin Thread in 2001.
Thin Thread was privacy protecting.
Thin Thread would not never have given even the data to the analysts to mess up abuse if you did not have reasonable cause to actually be in on it.
And we're not talking mean tweets, but actually something tied to actual criminal activity, like organized crime, international organized crime, and so on.
Now, when they had it in the year 2000, they had your capabilities.
And by the way, mapping this for just a data set that is how many billions on planet Earth?
7 billion, 8 billion, whatever.
Let's round it to 10 billion.
That gives us a few more years' time, right?
10 billion data sets is something that my cracked, crappy old phone can run over quickly and in probably minutes if I put the image right.
It is, we would call a trivial issue.
It is a trivial issue.
when they haven't tidied it up, it's because the entire government infrastructure still is entirely reliant on, for example, the IEDs on keeping the Islam versus Christianity shit show and the Islamist terrorists going.
Because if there's nobody building IEDs, blowing up American soldiers, and they just walk into Afghanistan, which was really dirt villages, and there they are.
Well, that's it.
You can't keep a war going.
So you have to have the other side fight back to keep it going.
And I think it was General Raisin Kane who told President Trump for the first time, oh, well, we can finish them off in three weeks.
That's what I would expect.
And they did it in two or something, right?
ISIS gone, poof, definito.
When you have that and you really use the capabilities that the American taxpayer already paid for many times over, there is no problem.
There is no organized crime anymore.
You can't, you know, you can't distribute drugs in the U.S. You can, you can come to any marina in the U.S. with as many Venezuelan speedboats full of fentanyl.
You couldn't take them off the boat.
You couldn't take them to the next warehouse with the capabilities that the FBI already has access to.
The reason why it's still going is because the FBI is running the drug trade and the military is desperately reliant on all the dirty shenanigans to keep this going.
I think it's actually the CIA running the drug trade.
All of them.
All of them.
Look, we cannot pin down one because the others would get jealous and say, hey, we want drug money too.
So everybody contributes what they can.
Military, CIA, FBI, NSA, they do what they can because the drug money is free black money.
Sorry.
They all want their cut.
Yes.
And I think the pension funds are being kind of propped up with this as well.
You know, the deep state pension funds, not the GS15 ones.
Yeah, you get a pension fund.
You've got eating the American people where it hurts.
Yes, yes.
Well, I'm piling the debt on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But here's the good news.
And all this depressive stuff that we have a Jewish president we found out, you know, two days ago.
And all this, it's basically it's not even, and that's the thing.
It's not even that it's that it's Jewish people.
The real thing is that it's tied to the Rothschild banking crime cartel.
That's what it is.
It's time to it's tied to militaries that are vicious, have all the capabilities because they stole it from the U.S. government and are willing to commit ethnic cleansing and genocide just for a bit of land by the seaside.
So that's what it's about.
It's not nothing to do with Jewish people.
So the real issue is that, or the real good news is in all this, that once you do do it the proper way, the bill way, and by the way, the IEDs, you did it by hand, right?
You didn't use computers.
It was all done by hand.
Bill Binney by hand.
We did scrape the website that was advertising all Iranian businesses in Dubai.
And then we did sorts with the, this was done with the computer, but from there on, it was by hand.
Excel sheet, all right?
Excel sheet.
Like every student, school student hasn't probably by now knows how to use an Excel sheet, right?
Oh, it's fun.
You have to do things by hand.
So you get in there close and you really understand the problem.
As a physicist, I completely understand.
But the point is, this is what you can do when you're Bill Binny and you have a laptop and Excel.
This is nothing still compared to what the NSA can do that has server farms the size of, I don't know how many football fields in Bluffdale, Utah, with all the data, all the phone calls, everything.
So, when you have all that already paid for by the American taxpayer and there's still a drug trade in the US, people have to start complaining to NSA and FBI and say, you used the shit we gave you.
Yeah, we see that what that means is you know the companies are doing nefarious crap.
So, when the shipping manifests come in with their names on it and package numbers in certain containers, you say search that package in that container.
Yeah.
Or that package on that airplane or that truck coming across the you know the border and you get them all such a high degree of specificity.
You nail them, you nail them.
Yeah.
You don't waste time on irrelevant crap.
Am I right in assuming that currently customs and border protection does not search containers because they're just too many and too?
I think whatever they do is spot searching.
They can't do any of the yeah.
I mean, they do detect, they do look for radiation, you know, like radioactive material coming through in a container, but that's easy.
Just wave that magic wand, froggy, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So, for example, in the big ports in Hamburg in Germany, like Pamberg has a super big port that was bigger than Rotterdam for some time.
But there, the ships come in, it's cranes and computers taking the containers at such a speed that you don't really have time for inspections and you can't, you know, delay the customers too much.
It's all, you know, down to every minute.
But when you actually do systematic network mapping, a drug trade can't just redistribute its supply chains every week.
So if you go after them in one week, they are done.
They are toast.
The quantity of the shipping benefits the smugglers because, you know, there's just too much.
And just overwhelm statistically, they may, they probably even assume they're going to lose some minuscule proportion.
You know, it's all factored in.
You know, it's a cause of the overhead, you know, because they're doing business.
Overwhelming the system, they succeed.
Yeah.
And also, but on the other hand, on the other hand, once you do it the systematic way, once you do it the systematic way, the fact that they have tried to overwhelm the system will come back to bite them because they did put it into these big container ships.
I mean, cities like New York and LA, they're not supplied by speedboats.
I mean, I know fentanyl is the addition, not the main thing, but cocaine doesn't come into LA through these dinky boats.
It comes in with big fuck off container ships.
It's like a T-boo delivery.
Catherine, I don't think anything's coming in through the dinky boats.
Those are guys, fishers or whatever.
Trump just wants to take them out to be a dramatic gesture.
It's a violation of international law.
It's committing murder, war crimes, and he doesn't care.
That's very unsettling to me.
But he's got an objective.
He's the thug on the world stage, sad to say.
I mean, I know how much you like him.
I mean, that's his foreign policy.
Yeah, I don't know of a president that hasn't done that since World War II, and even before that.
There you go.
Look at what Obama did, droning all kinds of people, even U.S. citizens outside the country.
Yeah.
And miners, you know?
But I think, you know, Trump's strengths are his bravado and his kind of gung-ho, you know, Mike or the highway thing.
If you put him on the right track, he is bombing along, winning and succeeding for America.
But the real problem is that his advisors are straight central casting CIA and, you know, the assassin squads that try to kill him.
And they can, they either put him on the wrong track or they try to kill him outright.
Currently, they're doing both.
So, the real issue I have is not even Trump and his personality.
It's that they keep being put on the wrong track.
It's not the we the people track, it's the CIA drug import track.
You know, let's preserve the drug trade before we mess anything up.
So, another thing that really starts to piss me off because it's beyond the joke now.
If Trump sends one more thing about these goddamn narco-terrorists, I'm going to make a big deal out of the fact that not a single person tied to the supply chain has been arrested on the U.S. mainland.
I have not heard of any raids in the marinas, in the ports, nothing.
Catherine is worse than that.
He's pardoning narco-torrorists who have actually been convicted.
Yes, yes, you know, the whole legal process is so complicated, time-consuming, expansive.
The idea of just pardoning these guys contradicts his official stance that this is a big deal that he wants to use it justify to invade Venezuela, but he's pardoned him right left.
It's outrageous, yes.
And then that's again, I think, where the deal comes in because the drug trade to the U.S. has been a major profit center for the Latin American countries.
And so, for the black budget for the intelligence community, yeah, exactly.
And the other thing is with the pardons, I mean, the only answer is for the American people to kick up such a stink that they out-scream his advisors, they have to scream louder than the advisors who control what he reads, what he listens to, how the information gets interpreted.
And Trump's real strengths are the stuff he knows about independently of his advisors.
He knows about tariffs, trade, doing business.
Nobody can teach him shit.
So, he's not listening to anybody and he follows his own mind.
And that's when he excels.
When things turn to shit, is when he listens to people.
And for example, with the pardons, how many hundreds of pardons has he signed or thousands?
I don't know, but it's a batch.
He doesn't research them by himself.
He didn't come up with the list.
You know, Melania didn't come with the list like Jill Biden might have and gone like, Hey, Joe, sign this.
You know, I can't see with the automated pen.
With the auto pen.
Yeah.
You know, and Baron Trump does not strike me like the coke snorting type, you know?
So I don't think it was like a Hunter Biden situation where he was like, Hey, dad, you better pardon this one because my suppliers went right.
So the good news is we're still much better, much better than we were even like two years ago.
All right.
Because in that case, that's exactly what we had.
Right?
Yep.
Yep.
Social imposter president.
I mean, that's what's not Delaware.
We don't know exactly who it was, like wearing the latex mask and walking around like a zombie.
I mean, Jim Carrie all along.
Kim Carry.
Bizarre.
Well, we're going through.
The press isn't calling it out.
I mean, that's a real hell that our press has sunk to a low that no more justified being thought of as a fourth of the state that's going to help to keep our government clean.
They're part of the intelligence community now.
Yeah.
They're part of the intelligence now.
I agree.
Yeah.
But, you know, the good news is they're also on their way out.
I went from, oh my gosh, back then when I was a fellow, we had a newspaper reading room where we had subscriptions to all the newspapers and I read them all.
I read the Times, the Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, The Independent, The Economist, The Financial Times.
God, I went through the Financial Times with a fine comb until I figured out all the bullshit.
And now I don't know a single person who still reads those papers.
Not one.
And my parents had all the major German newspaper subscriptions.
We had the Frankfurt Allgemeine, the Seitz, we had the Spiegel.
I had a newspaper reading room at home in my parents' house.
And now my parents would rather die than read another newspaper.
You know, so stuff is changing.
All these old, defunct, easy-to-capture ways of, you know, spreading news.
Yeah.
Propagandizing through the newspapers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brainwashing.
It's out.
Now we're at the second front line where they have bought YouTubers and influencers.
But the thing is that.
CBS, CBS.
A Zionist billionaire.
Now they put this Barry Weiss in there and she's making colossally stupid decisions.
A new head of the anchor of the CBS Evening News is a rabid Zionist, a defender of Israel to the death.
I mean, nobody's going to watch any of this shit.
I mean, wait, they are way behind the curve of the public understanding of what's going on here.
Well, I think they all are.
Yeah.
NBC is no better.
CNN, none of them.
Yeah.
But the good news is, I couldn't even watch CBS if I wanted to because we don't have a TV anymore.
We don't.
I mean, my parents junked their TV in the 1990s.
I never had a TV since then.
And when I moved here, I threw away your TV, you know, as soon as your son left the house.
I didn't watch much of it anyway.
Just like we don't have TV.
I don't know what this thing is.
TV.
So, yeah.
I mean, isn't that good?
Isn't that great?
Because the other thing is that we're moving now to a model where it's about individual dedication.
You know, it's about individual YouTubers, news reporters.
It might be Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Nick Quentis, whoever you like, right?
But you have their full track records documented over years and decades soon.
And then if they screw up, they can correct the mistake, but you also have their track record.
You know what they fought for all these years, you know?
Whereas with the mainstream media, nobody really went back and said what a particular, you know, looked up what a particular anchor stood for for all these years you were listening to them, you know.
Although now, after what I've seen yesterday, I'm not going to buy Levine's new book.
Heck no.
You know, Mark Levin, I don't think so.
Getting me.
You know, Hannity always called him the great one, but I never understood it.
Hannity's not a real smart guy.
I mean, it was just seemed to be colossally stupid, and there it is confirmed.
You know, he's just biggest propagandists on Fox, it turns out.
Fun story about Sean Hannity.
This is true.
Bill can confirm, right?
Is that I made now three calls when I said something about popular people in Bill's house, which is under 24 surveillance.
And then things changed based on what I said.
Now, what happened with Sean Hannity, if you look back through absolutely freaking everything he put out there, he always had a lapel pin that was the CIA logo.
Yeah.
The freaking CIA logo.
If you go back to his old stuff before 2020, some day in 2020, it was all the CIA logo.
One day, it changed to the American flag.
What happened between the switchover was Catherine Horton standing in Bill's Binney's front room when we still had the TV.
And I said to Bill, what's that on Sean Hannity's lapel pin?
What is that?
And I looked up a couple of closed pictures and I said, fucking hell's the CIA logo.
Can they make Operation Walkingbird any more obvious?
And I said it in this tone with probably these exact words.
Next time I turn on Sean Hannity, the CIA lapel pin was gone, never to return.
How many bugging devices were in the room when you said it?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, one thing you can say though, Jim, is that that's one part of government that really listens.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
I love it.
Instant response.
Instant response.
Love it.
Damn, I do.
Many people don't know why Sean Henry's satorial habits suddenly changed.
It was literally me going, What the actual, you know, in Bill's front room.
And I believe it.
Yeah, that was it.
It happened twice more times, and that's an anecdote for another episode.
Yeah.
Fascinating, fascinating, fascinating.
Well, listen, we're creeping up on Christmas, and I want to give you guys a break to enjoy the holiday season.
But I wonder if you'd like to say anything to the American people about where we are in the world today and what are our prospects for survival or what are we going to have another Christmas?
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
Well, first of all, I want to wish everybody a Merry Christmas, okay, and a Happy New Year.
Yes, yes.
But we have to get our heads in the right place now.
The other people have their own cultures, their own countries, and we should just stay the hell out of their business.
What they want to do is their business.
Yes.
We can support things that we like and not support other things, but we shouldn't interfere.
Was there this group way back when we talked about foreign entanglements?
That was my favorite founder, Thomas Jefferson.
Yeah, Of whom JFK said, you know, he was speaking to a group of Nobel laureates in the White House, and he said, This is the greatest assembly of intelligence ever gathered together in one place in the White House, except when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.
Because everybody put up laughter and lowered the IQ.
Yeah, and I guess my message is that I'm told that the laureates didn't like it.
Wonderful.
Yeah.
I love it.
Well, I guess my message is for everybody.
Number one, I think now we can say Merry Christmas again, not just happy holidays, right?
It's Merry Christmas and screw everybody.
The other thing is that after the last year, we've still, I mean, the American people in the Trump administration have achieved amazing things.
It has to be said.
There's things that we would have never had had Kamala been in power.
And I think we always have to compare to what could have been.
Well, of course, not absolutely perfect.
Mistakes are being made.
I still continue to support Trump and do my utmost to make sure he doesn't get assassinated because they're still trying.
No matter how much you pander to these, you know, to the Rothschild banking empire, they still try to kill him.
They still want to replace him because he is still effective in his own, you know, in his areas.
And even where he brought in AI and digital currencies and all that gunk that they want, as soon as Trump is set on the right track, they know he will bomb along and undo everything that they built up painstakingly for decades.
So, Trump is still the best weapon.
I still strongly believe in Tulsi Gabbard.
I love what RFK has done.
I just want him to do even more stop pulling punches.
And my wish for my real wish for Christmas is that they get the hell rid of Kash Patel because Bongino just left.
That's another breaking house from yesterday.
Bongino is leaving.
What's your interpretation of Bongino leaving?
Patel is.
I'm distraught, but I think it's he didn't with he doesn't have the forensic abilities to withstand the sheer forces and the deep state corruption.
The deputy directors, as I understood, did the strongest position in the FBI, but they need somebody who's a who's a kick-ass expert with a proven track record of fucking up the deep state, forensic expert in the position of FBI deputy director.
You can't have just a lawyer type or somebody who says the right things.
He actually has to know his shit scientifically, forensically, with investigations, with computers, with the NSA database, knowing what's possible when you contact the right people.
And then the world can change overnight, and crime, organized crime, can really be drained just as quickly as Tom Holman fixed the border.
So, my wish for Christmas is that they kick Kash Patel the heck out, get some kick-ass guy for the deputy directorship.
Same with the DOJ, by the way.
And that in the next year, 2026, is entirely dedicated to draining the deep state, because that's what's choking everybody here.
Enough, no more foreign entanglements for 2026.
Get the deals done, stop it.
And 2026, we need President Trump at home kicking ass against the deep state.
I think there's a chance we might get that.
I think he share this video, everybody.
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Yeah, I think he realizes he hasn't been completely faithful to his original platforms and that that's where he should be.
And I think there are signs that he may be now really wanting to put America first, because in my judgment, he has not heretofore.
So, I'm really relieved at the signs I see, including a defense pact with Qatar after the Israelis attacked when he was trying to work out a peace deal.
And the Israelis attacked Trump actually signed with them to give them a defense against foreign attacks.
He had to piss off Bibi like mad.
But I thought that was really striking and significant.
You know, I didn't see that stop.
I did not see that coming.
Yeah.
And basically, what we need is we need to, you know, shout at the top of our lungs to out-shout the plants in his administration so he can hear us.
And everything he does, great.
We have to be just reinforcing that, be grateful.
And he's still the best racehorse in the race by far.
So it's going to be great.
Well, Bill Benny and Kazrinho, I want to wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
I look forward to continuing our conversations in 2026.
And I'll just say they're proving to be sensational and a delight.
And it's like a tutorial, post-graduate.
I mean, a really high-level tutorial in American Intel Ops and what's really going on.
And I love it.
And others do as well.
I wish you both well, protection from the forces that allied against you, who are massive and powerful.
So I'm looking forward to seeing you in the new year.