The Raw Deal (18 December 2025) with special featured guest, Susan Lindauer
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I need somebody, not just anybody.
You know, I need someone.
Help me get my feet back on the ground.
One, two, three.
Baby, help me.
This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the raw deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B this 18th day of December, 2025, as Christmas approaches.
My guest is someone who needed help in the past, by God.
The Beatles weren't there to provide it.
She was a CIAS representing the United States to Saddam Hussein, Susan Lindauer by name.
She had a conversation with Saddam in which extended, Saddam extended the offer to buy a million cars a year from America.
For the next 10 years, if we did not attack Iraq, Dick Cheney had other plans in mind, of course, that would go forward.
As Susan was leaving the room, he turned to her and said, and if that's not enough, make it 20.
Susan, just think where the world would be today, how much better off the United States if we had not attacked Iraq and if we had accepted his deal.
Automobile sales, unlike military, have a multiplier effect.
They involve many industries, rubber tires, electronics, leather for upholstery, radio stereos, and the like.
Susan, what a disappointment.
And the fact is that you have been pilloried for your good work on behalf of the United States.
I'm so glad to welcome you back to the show.
Well, I am delighted to be back and I am strong and vibrant as ever.
I would add that this timing is important.
I am about to make a move to the Carolinas and I am a refugee from Maryland, from the taxation and crime and MS-13 gangs, which are right down the street from my house.
And I'm heading to the Carolinas for Red State peace of mind.
But I hope that I will soon be relaunching a podcast of my own.
And I am grateful to you for this opportunity to come on your show and talk about what I've been doing.
You are correct.
I negotiate, my name is Susan Lindauer.
I'm the author of Extreme Prejudice.
And I was a back channel for the CIA and the Pentagon to both the Iraqi government and the Libyan government.
I helped to negotiate the Lockerbie trial, the handover of the two Libyans for the Lockerbie trial.
And then I subsequently helped to negotiate the return of the weapons inspectors to Iraq.
And as part of that deal, there was actually a comprehensive peace framework.
One part of that was the automobiles, as you just stated.
The Iraqis also agreed to give the United States all contracts on oil development and leasing to open up the competition to them as well and to allow the United States preferential contracts for the construction of oil pipelines and pumping stations and to give the United States preferential contracts for future technology,
cyber technology, telecommunications, healthcare, pharmaceutical hospital equipment, and farming equipment.
So peace dividends are always turn out to be, proved to be much more profitable or equally as profitable as war dividends for Halliburton, because and those and that that ilk of the defense military industrial complex is not the only one that benefits.
And when you have all of these other industries that would have been profiting from Iraqi oil development and oil sales that would be unencumbered by military bombing raids and sanctions, realize that the oil pipelines had been degraded by sanctions and disuse and had to be rebuilt.
And if we had turned our monies and attentions to peace with Iraq, which they desperately wanted, they saw Iraq as a bulwark against Iran, as a balance in the region against Iranian tyranny, which the United States is now has finally seen the light on that.
Not that I'm advocating against Iran.
Iran has actually become much more modernized in the past 20 years, but back in the day when it was still very hyper-conservative, when women still wore the hijab on the street of Tehran and there was much more controls over the population, this was actually a positive thing for the United States as well.
So peace dividends are, it's very, very, very important to know that peace dividends are as profitable as warmongering and without any of the destruction and damnation coming falling on the populations, without any of the loss of glory for the United States.
If you're making money and if you're a capitalist, which we portend, which we perforce declare, then you should be very happy with this outcome.
And war is a defeat for capitalism if you're a capitalist as well.
So that is my opening.
And of course, and of course, you're right, except that the profits go into different pockets.
If it's a war, the military-industrial complex benefits.
Dick Celini is deeply involved there.
I have so much more to say about him and his sinister role in all These events, but the fact is that, you know, with automobile manufacturing, as I was explaining, there's that vast expansion ripple effect of the economy with military.
These weapons are so specific in their design, it doesn't have a multiplier effect.
And thereby, I think, hangs the ballot.
Plus, now, in retrospect, given Wesley Clark's explanation that we were going to take over seven governments in the next five years, including Iraq and Syria and Libya,
leading up to Iran, which we proceeded to do, all of which was beneficial to Israel because these were the modern Arab state plus the Persian nation of Iran that compromise that served as a check on Israel's domination of the entire region.
I believe Cheney had to be as deeply in the pocket of BBNet Yahoo as is our president Donald Trump.
And that after all, 9-11 was an Israeli op.
I have gone through this so much, founding scholars for 9-11 in December of 2005 and bringing together experts from around the world, hundreds and hundreds, physicists, pilots,
engineers of every kind, structural, mechanical, civil, electrical, and aeronautical, which turns out to be very important because the story we've been given about 9-11 involved a violation of laws of aerodynamics.
It's so fantastic.
For example, Susan, you'll appreciate this especially.
The plane that is said to have hit the Pentagon is supposed to have skimmed over the ground at over 400 miles an hour, a 757.
But it turns out to be aerodynamically impossible.
That plane at that speed couldn't have got more than 60 or even 80 feet to the ground, which is higher than the Pentagon at 71 feet is tall.
I mean, we have been given so much bullshit and they all act so solemn about it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
I'm just saying.
We are conspiracy theorists, Jim.
Say again?
We are conspiracy theorists.
Oh, of course.
Agora, cigars, cigars.
We'll get to Susie Wiles called out JD Vance as a conspiracy theories.
We gave that classic Michael Bohr line.
I only believe in conspiracy theories that are true.
And of course, many have proven to be true.
Give me your take on Cheney and all this.
I mean, I think it's just awful where you have been pilloried for simply telling the truth about how we avoided the war with Iraq.
I was then, when you say pilloried, let's define that.
It's more than pilloried.
I was then locked in prison on a Texas military base, accused of acting as an Iraqi agent because I spoke against the war.
In the buildup to the war, I went to Congress and I said, look, there is no, the Iraqis have been trying so hard to get the weapons inspectors into Iraq.
There is zero possibility that they had weapons of mass destruction.
They've been trying to get you in, and you're the ones who haven't who've been unwilling to go.
You're the ones.
And then, of course, the weapons inspections were already proving that there was nothing there.
The other thing that Congress knew in advance was that six months prior to 9-11, the Iraqis offered to invite an FBI terrorism task force into Baghdad with authority to conduct investigations and interview witnesses and recommend arrests that would have the arrests would have to be approved by United Nations and the and the international criminal courts.
But they had the authority, they were invited Iraqis to do that.
And Congress knew it.
That meant that Congress knew in advance that there was zero possibility that they had anything to do with 9-11 because that was their answer to our in May, April and May of 2001.
I had gone to the Iraqi embassy and I told them that we were seeking any intelligence, any fragment of intelligence on airplane bomb strike on the World Trade Center.
And I, and Congress knew it.
The Democrats knew it.
The Republicans knew it.
And they were terrified of truth.
They were terrified of their lies and the obscene fake justifications for the Iraq war were exploding in their face.
And therefore, 30 days after I requested to testify before Congress, President Bush had been forced to appoint a blue ribbon presidential commission.
And 30 days after he did, and immediately the day that he did this, I went to members of Congress and I said, look, I went to the people who were going to be running the commission.
I said, I want to testify.
I am the back channel to the Iraqi government.
I was the one dealing with these people.
And everything that you're saying is false.
And the people have a right to know what really happened.
I was acting as a whistleblower.
In the intelligence community, it used to be that if you wanted to reveal something to the public, you were supposed to, the proper channel was to take it to the hill, take it to Capitol Hill.
And that was how it was supposed to be done.
And this was one year after the invasion of Iraq.
The war was going terribly badly already.
The occupation had become a disaster.
The Iraqi resistance was already lining up to recruiting across the Arab world.
And this would become much worse in coming years.
So I went to them.
Within 30 days of my request to testify before Congress, I was arrested as an Iraqi agent.
And now I never categorically deny ever receiving money from the Iraqis, the Iraqi government.
No, The diplomat, they had a couple of receipts from saying that I had received $100.
And it turned out the diplomat who allegedly gave me the $100 had left the country in March.
And he was in Baghdad, 7,000 miles away in December of that year.
And he had left, he was like nine months out of the country at the time that he allegedly gave me the money.
And it was a fake Iraqi scam, just like everything else that they had done.
But the Iraqi exiles were unashamedly liars, and they destroyed the United States' credibility in the foreign policy community.
And it really shows that you have to, when there is a profit to be made from anyone, you saw the same thing in Syria with the fake gas explosions, the gassing of their own, of Assad's own people.
And it turned out, again, this is a source from the Assyrian exiles.
You always have to watch whatever the exiles are telling you because they're looking for profit so that they can go back and take power in their home country.
And they are marginalized and irrelevant here in the United States.
In Afghanistan, you may not realize that the government, what was it, Barzui?
The old government of the original government in the Afghanistan war, they worked at a restaurant, a restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia.
They were waiters and chefs.
They had an Afghan restaurant, but it was in Virginia close to where the CIA could go and meet them from Langley and in Arlington.
And so they had, by dint of history, by farce of history, the chef becomes the president of the country.
I mean, that's obscene.
That's ridiculous.
You'd have to, you know, that's a bad movie, or maybe it's a good movie, but it's what happened in Afghanistan.
Never trust the exiles.
They don't have any relevant.
They don't have any current experience and knowledge.
They're going after revenge.
They're going back trying to take power.
And so.
We even have footage in the local residents in Syria rushing out into the street, falling down as though they were victims of the gas attack.
And then after they say, cut, getting up and dusting themselves off.
I mean, it's that bad, Susan.
It was that amateurish.
And we got the footage of it.
I mean, everything you're saying is right.
We had the fake beheading videos.
Now, ISIS did some real beheadings, which were hideous.
And ISIS did some real crucifixions, which were hideous.
And ISIS did some, what they would do to spies, they would douse them in gasoline and put them in a cage and set them on fire.
And that is hideous.
So ISIS was a real force doing really terrible things later in Iraq and Syria, but they were our allies.
They came out of the United States financing mechanism.
We created the monster ourself.
And, you know, so this is some of my knowledge, it goes back 20 years, but you can bring it forward and you can see that our intelligence has been all about stealing, theft.
Now, some of it is good intelligence.
Like, I will apply that to the current situation in Venezuela.
And I want to get there, Susan, but let me first interrupt and just add.
The United States created ISIS, the American government.
I've documented it.
It was John Brennan, then director, CIA, Hillary Clinton, and Secretary of State Barack Obama, created ISIS in 2012 over the objection of Mike Flynn, who was then director of national intelligence, as is Tulsi today.
And in fact, Brennan was so pissed that he told Obama he had a fire Flynn, which he obligingly did.
It turns out that many of the ISIS members were sporting U.S. Army tattoos and they were being treated medically by Israel.
This whole thing was a monster scam.
And now today...
Turkey.
Turkey.
They were going on R&R from Syria to Turkey and getting financial payments out of Istanbul.
Yes.
And today, the president of Syria is a former IDF guy, and real beheadings are taking place, especially of Christians in Syria.
Susan, it was one time I thought beheading was like the most humane mode of execution until I learned that actually you remain conscious for several minutes after having your head separated from your body.
That ain't good.
Well, they saw the but they saw the head off.
It's not like a chop.
They saw it.
They saw through with, you know, they with a rusty, with a rusty knife, they saw through your, your, your, through the cartilage and through your, and it's, it's not easy to do.
So it's very painful.
It's a, it's a very painful way to die.
But also, a lot of that was staged.
Like there was a video in Libya of ostensibly in Libya, allegedly in Libya, on a beach where they had like 15 men, Libyan men bowing down on the beach.
And then very solemnly, they were all, they died, their heads were cut off.
But again, there was no screaming.
You have been really great about finding cases where in this case, it was Libyan intelligence, the original Libyan intelligence from Qaddafi's time, who I knew from my work with ironically doing the locker investigation.
And they did a screen by screen breakdown of the tide, the time of day, which beach it was supposed to be taking place on, and they did, and the water levels, and they determined that it was absolutely impossible for this to have been a real Libyan massacre.
And none of those people cried out.
None of them screamed in agony as their heads were cut off.
It was just like the camera went and the head was gone.
And in reality, there's a lot of scraping and cutting and when you're screwed and in that kind of terrible thing, terrible experience, you're not just lying there passively waiting to die.
You're screaming your head off.
You're trying to get away.
You're clawing.
You're fighting back.
None of this was happening in the videos.
And then John McCain's chief of staff lost a cell phone.
Do you remember this?
Lost a cell phone.
And somebody found it and opened it up because they were trying to figure out what when they looked at it.
It was before phones could be, when phones could be easily unlocked.
They looked at it and they realized that there was a sound stage and they were shooting these videos on some of fake beheading videos with crew camera crews around and people posing and people dying in practiced Hollywood routines.
And this is this was found on the cell phone of John McCain's chief of staff.
So again, you know, what we're talking about is not a conspiracy theory.
It is factual evidence.
It is fact that we knew about 9-11 and that when I was arrested, it was 30 days after I had gone to Congress, gone to Congress and gone to and demanded to testify.
And I had gone to every, I had sent my papers to every member of Congress.
I'd gone to my Democrats and I would add, these were Democrats and Republicans doing it.
I live in Maryland.
Maryland was a Democrat state.
I had asked my Democrat senators to allow me to testify.
And they, you know, and this was a bipartisan cover-up is what I'm trying to say to you.
It is a government cover-up.
And we have, but the stakes are now so high.
The Iraqi war added $7 to $8 trillion in debt to the United States government.
And we are now a bankrupt nation.
Can we afford to do this again in Venezuela?
Can we afford to do it anywhere?
We really can't.
And so all of this, all of this, you know, it is important that the world has erased history and the cancel culture of the Democrat Party, the censorship of the Democrat Party,
is defeating the public's ability to become armed with knowledge and make much better decisions in this critical moment where we need to stop and know things and think and really think through whatever it is in every venue, every issue.
We need to be a much more educated public and think through what we're going to actually accomplish and achieve because our range of choices now is severely restricted.
We seem to be the only ones who don't know that.
By the way, I want you to expand on the parallels between Iraq and Venezuela because they appear to be to be very, very strong.
For example, just as Saddam was willing to accommodate and give America what it wanted, Maduro has been willing to give America what it wanted.
And now, however, there is this difference, this American fleet off the coast of Venezuela, in my judgment, is highly vulnerable.
Russia's provided Venezuela with their anti-ship missiles, the best in the world.
They're unstoppable.
I believe Maduro has the ability to sink every ship in our fleet.
And if Trump goes ahead with a land invasion, which I think would be absurd, he's got like 1,500 Marines.
Maduro has four to eight million militias, and those Venezuelans are willing to fight to the death.
I think it's going to be lopsided embarrassment for the U.S. Your thoughts, Susan.
I think that it is.
I think that we're going to lose the support of the world.
I think that we have, it is true.
I do believe that Venezuela is shipping the Venezuelan fishermen are doubling as drug cartel mules, and they are shipping heroin, cocaine, hard drugs, opioids from Colombia through Venezuelan waters.
I think that is true.
And I think that it is appropriate to strike the boats.
So that is what, but the, but, but what the United States is doing is.
Are we coming to a break?
Yeah, just finish your sentence.
Okay, they're coming.
We'll pick this up on the other side of the break.
Yeah, yeah.
We'll be right back with Susan Lindauer.
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Before continuing with Susan, I just want to add those who are interested in the 9-11 crash sides.
We had one speaker who, because of a time zone, wasn't there when he needed to be.
So I filled in with a report about the planes, the planes.
And all four of the 9-11 crash sites were fabricated or faked, albeit in different ways.
You can find the link on my blog at jameshfetzer.org, or you can go directly to my bit shoot channel, Jim Fetzer, and find it.
I just want to recommend everyone might want to take advantage of the fact that this conference had a lot of wonderful presentations for you to exploit as resources.
Susan, please do continue.
Well, the Venezuela situation is a really great example and a scary example of why ignorance does ignorance repeats history, is why history repeats itself.
The censorship and cancel culture erasing real factual knowledge about Iraqi pre-war intelligence, for example, which seems so long ago.
And if you're in your 30s, you're like, oh, that war that was over so long ago, why do we have to care about this?
Well, actually, if you understand how the United States works, and if you understand how the CIA has manipulated factual evidence to justify wars and to create financial, all wars require an economic financial motivation to carry out.
And if it was not for the oil in Venezuela, we would be ignoring this problem just like we ignore it in Colombia and Ecuador and Bolivia and Mexico.
It's because Venezuela has the oil that we're going to go after it.
And we're going to try to take their resources for ourselves as the United States is dropping fast.
The United States needs to keep, Trump has an agenda.
And we all have to, even if you're, I am a Trump supporter, but I get that.
Most of you are also Trump supporters and you don't want to attack Donald Trump.
But the fact is that Donald Trump needs to keep the affordability issue under control.
And that means he needs to keep oil prices down.
The Saudis are moving to BRICS.
The Arab countries are moving to BRICS and China.
They are and Iran.
They are and Russia.
They are all, the sphere is tilting.
So Trump is asserting control over the southern hemisphere.
His Monroe doctrine, very important, is an economic financial advantage for the United States at a point when the whole, the rest of the world is moving away from us.
And he's trying to tilt, he's trying to control, not tilt it, he's trying to grab it and put a hand on the steering wheel of Latin America so that China and BRICS cannot establish a bulwark there, even though they've already got Argentina and Brazil.
So this is getting very scary from the United States perspective.
And Venezuela is an easy target.
If Trump can keep the oil prices down, then he's got a chance to control the midterms in 2028, 2026.
And he's got the Republicans have a strong shot at winning the White House in 2028, because Trump can say, look, I at least, you know, all the American people care about is the price of food, the price of gas.
And the price of gas is the biggest indicator of the economy and the economic direction at a time when AI is gobbling up our jobs.
There's going to be consumer stress from tariffs and from BRICS.
The United See, most people are not capable of understanding how the U.S. dollar as the World Reserve currency is holding down prices and expanding our consumer opportunities for people of the United States.
And they don't understand how any of that works, but they do feel the price at the pump.
That hits their bank book, their checkbook, their wallet personally.
And so Trump has to, so this is all about, this is all about the oil in Venezuela.
If it wasn't for the oil in Venezuela, you can see that in Honduras next door, Trump, Honduras doesn't have oil, but Trump actually freed the president of the country, pardoned him, gave him a, and I think that's appalling.
I would just like to say, I think it is appalling that Trump did this, pardoned the president of Honduras, who was implicated in $5 billion narco-trafficking, targeting the United States of America, targeting our families in the heartland, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Texas, Miami, all over.
And all the blue states that are dying, Baltimore that is dying, and they're killing our children.
I do believe that we need to fight the narco-traffickers.
I believe very strongly that that is one very legitimate use of the United States military.
So when Trump says, well, I am bombing those boats, I'm going to continue striking those boats, I think that's a good thing.
I am not a libertarian who says, oh, let people choose to use heroin if they want to.
No, it is not a victimless crime.
Everybody has to deal with that problem.
And I, you know, but Trump is now showing his real colors, I am afraid, when he tries to seize Venezuela's oil tankers.
And that in itself shows that what he's really doing is asserting control over the resources of a small country that cannot fight back.
It's all eyes on 2028, 2026.
And Trump is trying, and it's a strategic move for the American affordability crisis here in the United States at a time when jobs are going to be going away forever.
And the United States dollar is in very precarious situation.
If you don't understand what BRICS is doing right now, BRICS is here to stay.
Already, Asian countries, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand are trading with China in their own currencies, and they're shutting out the United States entirely.
All these, you know, Saudi Arabia is trading with Russia and China, and they're using their own domestic currencies and the China digital currency.
And we are not able to track it because they're using the BRICS pay system, which goes, which is infinitely superior to SWIFT.
BRICS pay clears in seven seconds, whereas Western payments controlled by U.S. and Western banks clear over three days.
And therefore, they can be monitored.
There's time to put a hold on something and say, wait a minute, we're looking at this transaction crossing over to here.
We're going to put a stop on that payment.
And we're going to put our weight down on that payment.
But with BRICS pay, it goes through in seven seconds.
There's no scrutiny by any Western banking authority, and the world loves it.
We are in a multi-we are in a multipolar age, and the United States is going to have to figure out how we fit into it and how we can make our we always the Western governments always talk about comparative advantage in economics.
What is our advantage in all of this?
Well, do people really want to buy our weapons of mass destruction?
Do they really want our, do they really need our missile systems?
Do they really need our tanks and our surface-to-air missiles?
Is this really the best thing that we can sell to these people?
Is there anything else we have?
You know, I have three comments about Venezuela.
You know, I think your remarks about the international payment system are absolutely spot on.
First of all, I think all this stuff about narco-trafficking is just a smokescreen as a cover.
Trump, Venezuela is not the source of the fentanyl that's coming from Mexico.
We don't know that any of those boats were transporting any drugs.
This is a violation of international law, UN Charter, Geneva Conventions, you name it.
We're doing it badly.
He has now issued an executive order.
Fentanyl is now a national security threat.
It's a weapon of mass destruction, so he can justify intervening without congressional approval because, as a consequence of 9-11, Congress extended the authority of the president to attack terrorism worldwide without congressional authority.
This clearly would and probably should have congressional authority, but he's manufactured a reason to work his way around it.
So we disagree on that, what's going on there.
But second, I've heard a foreman assuming that Trump wanted the Venezuelan oil as a backup because there's a plan to attack Iran again, which will invariably shut the Straits of Hormuz, cut down the international oil supply.
So to ensure it didn't affect the U.S., he wanted the alternative of Venezuela.
But now I think you've made it, and this is the third point, an additional observation of substance about the election that if he can get the price of gasoline low, he greatly benefits the Republican Party even as early as in the midterm.
So Susan, I think you're right about that, but this is all manufactured.
And I dare say Russia has gone so far as to recognize if the U.S. is going to put missiles all along the border of Russia, Russia can reciprocate by getting some of its missiles into the Western Hemisphere and Venezuela and Cuba.
And they're doing it.
Putin has lost faith in the West and rightfully so.
We have played him again and again.
The Minsk or it'd be the perfect illustration, which was used merely as a cover to beef up Ukraine to attack Russia.
Susan, the Europeans still want to go to war with Russia because they want to break it up into a bunch of little statelets so they can exploit its resources for the benefit of Europe to hell with that.
Your thoughts?
Yeah, World War III, World War III, right there.
It's just right there.
And then you have the civilizational crisis with Germany and France and Britain and the Arab influx from these countries that have been decimated by U.S. wars in Syria, Iraq, Libya.
And now those Arabs have their own societies are failed states, though maybe coming back.
Ooh, I don't know.
I would hope that they're not entirely failed states, but that they could be restored.
I would like to see some China, see, this is, let me throw this out, that there is a way, there's a way to thread the needle.
If China invests in Iraq, we can't do it.
We are no longer a player in the Middle East because we showed that our concern was to destroy and dismantle.
And we are now a bankrupt nation.
We do not have any financial resources to do anything.
But if China were to come in and rebuild and BRICS rebuild the Middle East, that would take the pressure off the populations, the immigrant surge, the asylum seeking surge in Europe.
And many of those people could go home, stop bombing the countries, rebuild the economies, and those people will go home to their own country.
The problem is Germany is bankrupt.
France is bankrupt.
Britain is bankrupt.
Nobody, the United States is bankrupt.
We've chosen our side, our stake of war, and we are no longer capable of pivoting to solve this problem, which is to rebuild those countries and let those people send the people home to their, they like their own food.
They can go have their own culture.
If they want to be Islamic, they can be Islamic as much as they want, so long as they're doing it in Baghdad, so long as they're doing it in Aleppo, so long as they're doing it in Tehran.
Keep them in their own home countries, and then they can eat their food and live their life.
And if they want to have government-sponsored electricity and free energy, then they can do that in their home country.
But we're not going to give them those welfare benefits, which have been, which, and here's the thing that they also don't, Westerners don't understand is their own governments, Libya gave them all of this stuff.
So when they're coming to, when the refugees come in and say, well, you destroyed my society, I'm here now, and I'm demanding you give me what my own government gave me.
I want all those things, and you are going to provide them because that's what they've been taught to expect from their home governments is free electricity.
And so they come to the West and they're like, well, what's the problem?
You should have thought about that before you destroyed my economy.
Otherwise, I'd be there right now because I don't like your food.
I don't like your climate.
And I want to, and I'd rather be at home anyway.
But there's nothing in my home because you destroyed it.
Gaza, another perfect example.
We have destroyed Gaza, and now all the Palestinian refugees have to go somewhere.
Where are they going to go?
They're going to come to the United States.
They're going to go to Europe.
And it's because we should have left them alone, but we have created this humanitarian crisis.
And I am one of those people who is actually hard on immigration.
I'm not sounding as hard as I am.
I just see the root causes in the Middle East and the European crisis as one of gross deprivation in their home country caused by the West.
And if we stop that, change our philosophy now, then we can order these people out of the country and send them back where they came from because there is a civilizational crisis.
It is not sustainable to keep having these people come in to France and Germany and Europe all through Europe.
And they are dragging it down and they need to be sent back where they came from.
And in order to send them back, the wars have to stop.
And there has to be economic development projects, which we are no longer capable of providing because we're broke.
But BRICS could provide that.
And if BRICS does provide that, then we need to let BRICS do it because BRICS will actually take the pressure off the West for those reasons.
Of course, there were two Columbian university professors who happened to be Jewish who came up with a Clovis strategy to collapse the United States so it could be rebuilt closer to their socialist communist ideals, which involved overwhelming the United States with immigrants so that it would collapse the Social Security, the Social Safety Network, because you can't have a welfare state and open borders.
It's unsustainable.
Every economist recognizes they were endorsing it.
And then you have to throw in the callergy plan.
Another Jewish intellectual wanted to destroy the culture of Europe by bringing in millions of Africans adapted here to the United States by bringing millions of non, you know, white, really, from multiple, I think maybe 100 different countries at this point in time.
Well, I have footage showing caravans bringing these migrants to the border with the star David on the door.
So it's a deliberate plan.
And incredibly, the United States doesn't even have migration policies as reasonable as those of Mexico.
Susan, in Mexico, to immigrate, you have to, number one, be able to show you have something to contribute to the good of Mexico.
Plumber, carpenter, doctor, lawyer.
Number two, you have to be able to show you have the financial resources to support yourself, your family, so you don't become a burden on the state.
If the U.S. had those two simple migration plans, we wouldn't be in the dire straits we're in today.
And of course, it'd been exacerbated by this Mallorca guy who was a Cuban Jewish communist guy, wanted to destroy America.
And we let him run four years under Biden, which was a fake.
This wasn't even the real guy.
This was an imposter.
He was a walking zombie in some kind of latex mask.
The real Joe and he had different size and shape of skull.
They have different handwriting, different interaction with Jill.
I mean, we put up with four years of that, and the media didn't call it out a single time.
Grotesk.
Well, we have a civilizational crisis now.
We have third world peoples who are coming into the United States with expectations of receiving welfare benefits.
They're not capable of contributing.
They cannot read or write in their own language.
They cannot do math at all.
They have no education background beyond like maybe the second or third grade in their home country.
And they're never going to be able to assume the kind of jobs and skill levels, skill sets that we need.
Then we have H-1B visas bringing people in from India, which is only nepotism, so that Indians can to achieve chain migration.
And it's obvious, you know, those things are obviously clearly a disaster.
But coming back to Venezuela, I want to tie this back to Venezuela.
You know, our war model is a failure.
And it's not just, we used to say the war is a failure of humanity.
It is a failure of policy.
It means that the government has lacked any kind of strategy for tackling very serious problems in our society.
So like now we have to have a war with Venezuela.
We have to steal their oil, seize their oil tankers so that we can offset losses in the Gulf of Hormuz.
When Hormiz, when Iran joins BRICS and becomes a full-fledged BRICS member, which is already happening, and Iran is selling Russia, our enemy in Europe, it's oil.
And Russia's doing very well.
Russia's not suffering under sanctions.
All of these countries have now depleted and sold off their U.S. dollar currency treasury bonds.
They're no longer buying our debt.
China's not buying our debt.
Japan is unloading its debt, U.S. debt.
And all of this shows the weakening, the structural weakening of the United States.
We must learn from our previous mistakes.
And we've got to, you know, this is one time when cancel culture and censorship of ideas is going to bankrupt us.
Everyone should be on the same page.
People should know what happened in Iraq, but they don't.
If you Google my name, you're going to see that I was found not competent to stand trial.
You're not going to hear that I negotiated the return of the weapons inspectors to Iraq with Iraq's ambassador.
You're going to hear, oh, don't listen to her, don't trust her.
Oh, I don't know.
You shouldn't be listening to Susan Lindauer.
You know, actually, you should be listening to Susan Lindauer, and then you won't be making the same mistakes that got you into the First Gulf War.
And you'll realize that there's always an option for solving a problem.
And you don't have to take the military unless you have like, and again, this is one area that you and I disagree on, and that is the narco-trafficking.
The cartels, in my opinion, have made their choice.
They've asserted they're acting as an enemy combatants already.
And I think that it is a, you and I disagree.
We just disagree that fighting the narco-trafficking deserves a military reaction.
In my opinion, we actually only disagree about whether Venezuela is engaged, because I agree with all the other points you've been making.
Mexico is the primary problem.
The president makes cartels, and Trump has been threatening to do something about it.
It's yet to occur.
This thing about with narco-trafficking out of Venezuela, as you observe, he pardoned the former president of Honduras, who is a major narco-trafficker.
That's utterly inconsistent with his avowed rationale for attacking Venezuela.
Horrible, horrible decision.
Just, and he's, and he's pardoned fraudsters and thieves who are stealing from our treasury.
Yes.
Bad, What do you, I'm, I'm very curious on your take of Susie Wiles.
Oh, yeah, we want, we want to get there.
Susie Wiles, yes, and she's the chief of staff.
She actually is a committed Zionist.
She ran Netanyahu's campaign before she ran Trump's.
That gives you some idea where she's coming from.
She described Trump as having an alcoholic personality.
Now, he doesn't drink alcoholic beverages, but he does drink a huge number of diet drinks.
And I've been told that asphartame actually turns into wood alcohol in your veins.
And that then it also turns to formaldehyde.
Maybe he is being affected because of the asphartaine and all the diet drinks he's consuming, Susan, which bothers me because members of my family, my wife drinks twice six cans of, or has in the past at least, of diet drinks.
And I've been worried about that forever.
So I think that's one issue.
But then the other was, of course, turning to JD Vance and saying he's a conspiracy theorist, to which he replied with the classic Michael Moore response.
I only believe in conspiracy theories that are true.
And there are so many.
There's so many.
You know, I'm all in fans.
I love him saying that.
I do too.
It's begging the question to assume that if it's a conspiracy theory, it must be false.
Of those I've investigated, the overwhelming majority have proven to be true, whether it's JFK 9-11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, you name it.
I've been there, I've done it, and they all turned out to be true.
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Your thoughts?
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Everyone needs to get a conspiracy, a friend who's a conspiracy theorist because you're going to need them to understand what's happening right now.
We are in the age of truth and gaslighting.
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I believe like I'm a believer that they're using drugs to try to control the people.
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Let me add, Susan, I've been a strong Trump supporter since it came down the escalator.
I voted for the guy three times, but I believed he was really the peace candidate.
He wanted to end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours.
Could have done it by just cutting off supplies and weapons to Zelensky.
Said he was going to settle the, you know, Gaza, Palestine-Israeli conflict, the genocide.
He could have done it again by just cutting off the weapons that BB's been using to slaughter the Palestinians.
Then he actually initiates a new one by participating in an attack on Iran.
I've been to Iran 2014 International Conference.
Iran is the most peace-dedicated great nation in the world, having not launched a war of aggression against any other state since Susan.
1775.
The Declaration of Independence was 1776.
So, I mean, this is insane.
Of course, they've defended themselves against, for example, the onslaught from Iraq, which we initiated when George H.W. Bush allowed April Gillespie to tell Saddam that was okay for him to go, you know, after Kuwait and all that, or to attack Iran.
How monstrous was all that?
You're an expert in this area.
I just tell you, I've lost faith in him because of his foreign policy.
I have tended to support his other moves.
And I do think now, because he's under such intense pressure politically, especially for reasons of foreign policy, he may revert to the America first rather than Israel first agenda.
He's been pursuing in terms of foreign policy, which would be good for the U.S., maybe in time to make a difference midterm.
But all bets are off at this point.
Your thoughts?
I think that he does have time to pivot.
I think he does have time.
Yes, I don't think this is over at all.
I think that his lowest points, his lowest marks were during the shutdown when Congress and the Democrats were also taking hits in their polling.
And, you know, I think that it's disingenuous to say that Virginia and New York and governors' races and mayoral races, like the election of Abigail Spanberger in Virginia, was a given.
Virginia is a blue state.
New York is a blue state.
And I don't think that Momdani's election takes away from Trump's strength.
I think it shows that America is as divided as it ever was.
And they're not the blue, the Democrat states are not switching over to the Republicans, but except for Pennsylvania and North Carolina, where it's become where people who are leaving New York are going to those places, and New York and Pennsylvania are going to those states.
I'm going to the Carolinas myself.
I'm in the process of moving.
There is an exodus from the blue states, which is for reasons of extreme taxation and extreme criminal activity.
I will give you a personal example.
My property taxes on my home were $15,000 for one year.
Next year, they're going to be $17,000.
How am I going to find a buyer for this house?
I've already left.
I'm already packing.
I've got my moving trucks coming in January.
I will be gone to the Carolinas while the house is under sale.
But I'm not sticking around to pay these property taxes.
And I'm not sticking around to pay my income taxes to the state of Maryland.
We are hemorrhaging cash.
The governor has just promised that they're looking at another, they've had a $1.6 billion deficit every year in spending because in Maryland, because we are in the state budgets, mind you, because we're pouring cash into SNAP benefits, housing benefits,
free internet for the illegals who've come in from El Salvador and Venezuela and Mexico.
They have come in as undocumented workers.
They have no skills, no capability to contribute.
The area is very expensive.
Their presence here is putting, Trump is right, putting pressure on rents, forcing cost of living increases because we don't have the local resources to pay for these things.
We don't have housing stock available for them.
And when they do come in, they destroy, they're used to living in very base conditions.
So they end up destroying the properties because they don't know how to take care of things.
They don't have any skills taking care of things.
Crime is how they operate.
That's their crime and corruption are how they roll.
And they don't want to change what they're doing.
They're here now.
And they're like, we're not going anywhere.
This whole Maryland man, Abrego Garcia, was just down the street, about a mile, was caught selling drugs out of the Home Depot in Hyattsville, where I have shopped for many years.
And the thievery, just in the 30 days before I went to North Carolina, twice somebody tried to break into my house at three o'clock in the morning.
I got up in the morning and I turned the doorknob on my front door and the doorknob came out in my hand, came out of the door, out of the door, in my hand.
And I called the police and the police said, well, you've got construction workers right next door, Monday through Friday.
And they're looking at you and they see that you're a woman alone and they're coming in with negative intentions.
We have no doubts that they're coming in not only to steal from you at three o'clock in the morning, but probably to do something much worse.
And you should arm you.
The police officer in Blue State, Maryland is telling me to arm myself and that wink, wink, we won't, we'll look the other way if you want to protect yourself because they're going to do it again.
And sure enough, they did it twice.
In both times, the door came.
I got a new doorknob, the brand new doorknob just installed.
Two weeks later, in the morning, I go out, I turn the doorknob, and it comes off in my hands again.
When I came back from North Carolina, I took the police officer's advice.
And at three o'clock in the morning, there's somebody outside my window, outside my door, going around the outside of my house.
My dogs are barking like crazy little fiends that just, you know, they're rushing to the window, barking as frantically and furiously as I've ever heard them.
And I shout, gun, I will shoot you, M Efer.
I will shoot you, which is what the police told me to do.
And this is a blue state police force, but they're like, you're going to be a victim.
Somebody is watching you.
They know you're here alone.
They know that they, and they're targeting you.
The fact that they've come back twice and then they came back a third time.
I said, a gun.
I've got a gun, motherfucker.
You know, so, but, but, but, but this is why people have to, we are like Illinois.
This is not sustainable.
They're expecting us to put that, you know, we are targeted because we are white homeowners in white zip codes.
And you notice that in Illinois, now the property taxes are finally going to be targeting black or are going to include, not targeting, but they are including black neighborhoods, predominantly black zip codes.
And the people of Illinois know exactly which zip codes those are.
And they're saying, wait a minute, what are you hitting us for these taxes for?
We don't want to pay these taxes.
Make those white people pay the taxes.
You shouldn't be coming to our neighborhoods.
You're not supposed to come here.
But all the white neighborhoods are leaving, are flooding out.
The commercial businesses are closing down and moving out their operations.
And they're taking their white employees, skilled, high-income earning white employees with them.
And they're all going to Florida or someplace else, or they're going to Indiana.
Indiana's reaping a lot of this boom for people who want to stay in the local area as well.
And the Democrat model is collapsing and it's collapsing hard and it's collapsing fast.
It is not going to work.
It's already failed.
And it's just, if you can, if you, it's time to hit the door and hit the exit and get out as fast as you can.
And Jim, you know that I have loved living in Maryland.
I live in the suburbs of Washington, D.C.
I am 30 minutes from the United States Senate.
I can walk out my door and jump on a metro and in 15 minutes metro ride, I can be at the United States Senate.
I can be at the White House in 30 minutes.
I love this life.
And I'm in one of the most desirable suburbs and towns of Maryland, which has put my home a target on my home.
I don't think that I'm being targeted, but I was subjected to fraud, mortgage fraud, and foreclosure fraud, where they switched my mortgage with somebody else's house.
And even when we called it out and said, look, this is not even my mortgage.
This is somebody else's mortgage.
And it's somebody else's principal and interest and all of this, that even the courts were like, well, but they want it.
So why don't you just give it to them?
Well, now that the taxes are so atrociously high, I'm like, okay, I'm taking my money, I'm leaving.
And now they're like, oh, wait a minute.
How are we going to sell a house?
How are we going to sell a house with $17,000 in property taxes?
Nobody wants to buy these houses.
All of a sudden, everyone's like, this isn't good.
Are you sure you want to leave?
Would you consider staying?
You've been paying the property taxes.
We really want your income.
We don't want to lose all of you.
But you have to go.
You can.
It's just not a sustainable model at all.
And we can only hope that North Carolina and South Carolina and Tennessee do not become overly surged, overly swamped by Democrats fleeing as well.
So anyway.
That's all excellent.
No, excellent.
I want to turn to what I think is a serious, serious problem for Toronto, which is that the whole world's turned against Israel.
Don't think there's any going back that they overplayed the victim card with the Holocaust, which, based on my research and that of others, was a myth anyway.
There were no gas chambers, they were labor camps, nobody died from being put to death by Zyklon B.
And the International Committee of the Red Cross kept copious, detailed notes, records on the age, the sex, the age, the ethnicity, the religion, the cause of death of all the inmates.
They recalibrated their total in 1993.
296,081 died from all causes combined, none from being put to death in gas chambers.
Yeah, I've even had Fred Lochter on my False Region Conspiracies conferences twice where he was the leading expert on gas chambers.
In 1988, when there was a trial going on of the brilliant Canadian politician who distributed a pamphlet, called about the six million, questioning the number and was uh put on trial for it, and when, during the first trial in 1984, the prosecution couldn't find a single witness who could swear to having seen anyone put to death in a gas chamber.
When they tried again in 1988, they had the lockdown report which I thought was going to be definitive, put an end to it.
But they continue with the mythology and now they're trying to reconstruct it down in Australia with this phony shooting.
I guarantee you it's fake, totally fake.
They even had a cameraman.
They're right there on the scene while the guy's shooting, claiming all these Jews, on Hanukkah, you know, were shot and it's on the anniversary of Sandy Hook and we got the brown shooting.
The brown shooting is also fabricated cases.
I'm telling this is an area of my expertise, but go right ahead.
Yeah, your thoughts well well well, I.
I think that it's interesting that they released the shooter in Bondi Australia, and it turned out to be they, were they.
They noticed they've been hiding the name.
They've been very keen about hiding the name.
Whether or not you believe that there was an actual shooting or not, I do tend to disagree with you, Jim.
I do believe there was a shooting, but that's okay.
That's okay, uh.
However, I have also noted that they have discovered the name of the person who did it, and he is a Jew.
Yeah, he's a former IDF member.
It's a former former IDF member.
And and they and as soon as they realize that it was a former IDF member who is a Jew, they have suddenly gone dark and said, oh, we don't know who this is.
I guess we're never going to figure it out, can't find out who it is.
He escaped and they've, and they they've, they've gone to to a whole new.
Uh get, get this Susan.
The Jewish lobby in Australia is flat out saying they want a ban on criticism of Israel.
Of course they do.
Let's check out a few minutes of this discussion.
The Australian Israel lobby is flat out saying they want a ban on criticism of Israel.
Australians everywhere should be made acutely aware that the Australian Israel lobby is now explicitly advocating a ban on criticism of the state of Israel.
Not just hate speech against Jews, criticism of a foreign state.
They're coming right out and saying it.
During a recent public video conference with the American Jewish Committee on the topic of the Bondi Beach shooting, the executive manager of the Australia-Israel and Jewish Affairs Council, Ajak, explicitly says he wants pro-Palestine protests to be banned by the Australian government, and that addressing the problem of anti-Semitic hate speech in Australia necessarily means stopping opposition to Israel's actions.
About 40 minutes into the American Jewish Committee's YouTube video of the conference, Ajak executive manager Joel Bernie demands that the Australian government take much stronger action to regulate freedom of expression regarding Israel and Zionism in Australia, saying the following.
They need to act swiftly.
They need to go to their own arms and their own institutions.
No longer can you refuse service to a Zionist.
We are going to prosecute people that spew hate speech against your people.
And we're not going to tiptoe around the fact that the central problem here is Israel.
I, for one, as a Jewish leader, will not talk about anti-Semitism in isolation from Israel because it's the rhetoric and language on Israel that motivates the people to come and kill us.
Those two terrorists were motivated by what was going on in Israel, and that's what motivated them to come and kill us.
So if they had Israel on their minds, why are we acting as though it had nothing to do with the vitriolic binary nature of the pro-Palestinian advocacy movement?
End quote.
Bernie goes on to say that he wants a complete government ban on protests against Israel's abuses throughout the nation.
So overnight, what we want immediately, if you ask any Jew, what do you want, what do you want, no more protests, no more protests, no more no-go zones for Jews.
I can't, for two years, cannot take my kids to downtown Melbourne for two years on a Sunday because of the pro-Palestinian marches, because of the violent nature of them.
No more, because that is an acceptance of the connection between the two.
And until the prime minister is willing to do that, this is going to happen again.
end quote susan this is just stop the genocide in gaza Stop the starvation.
Stop bombing Gaza.
Stop the indiscriminate killing of children.
Stop blowing up their arms and their legs.
Stop them.
Stop this.
These are crimes against God and humanity.
Gaza is the most purely evil thing that I've ever seen on this earth.
It's even worse than what they did in Iraq.
And Israel should be prosecuted for war crimes, Bibi Netanyahu, and the entire Knesset.
Every single member of the Israeli parliament, Knesset, should be arrested and sent to prison for life.
They should be executed.
They deserve a trial.
They deserve a trial at the International Criminal Court at The Hague, and they should be prosecuted and executed just like we would execute anyone for genocide in the Tutsis in Rwanda, of the Hutus and the Tutsis in Rwanda, or the Serbians.
We have standards of law that exist and that they must be enforced uniformly.
And I salute every single Palestinian Pro-Palestinian politician throughout Europe and throughout the world and BRICS nations that, and here is the key.
We are losing, the United States is in a situation of bankruptcy.
We have a $38 trillion debt.
Israel is dragging down the United States.
It's like it's pulling us down in an undertow that is going to break us.
Every single nation that pushes this, that continues to support Israel will be pulled down and crushed by its own economic failures and military failures.
It is a civilizational crisis, and we are on the wrong side of history.
And in this time, we're going to lose everything.
Israel is going to be the end of the United States empire.
Israel is the last, is dragging down the United States.
100% agree, Susan, every word you just said.
And these Zionists, they talk and act as the slaughter, the genocide had nothing to do with an increase in anti-Israel attacks.
I mean, for crying out loud, man, how long do you think you can slaughter these innocent, wonderful people who have a legacy that extends back to biblical times to their land?
Most of the president, but president of Israel are Kazarians.
They don't have any Hebrew blood, as it is said.
They have no entitlement.
They're not even Semites.
But the Palestinians.
October 7th.
October 7th.
The world has ever known.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
October 7th is exactly like the phony weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
It is a lie.
It is Israeli bombs that destroyed that killed the hostages.
Israeli bombs targeting the communities and the neighborhoods where the hostages were being held obliterated, smashed, destroyed them.
They were killed by their own bombs and friendly fire.
And it is Israel who bears the blame for the fact that they were not returned sooner, that they were not, that the whole matter was, it was such an egregious overreach of just of self-justification and self-fictional superiority over the Palestinian people that they have just that they have obliterated,
they've murdered children, massacred children, massacred hospitals, massacred schools, destroyed infrastructure and critical water drinking supplies in Gaza so that Donald Trump could have a resort in Gaza.
And also, let's remember that Gaza has liquid natural gas offshore.
And Israel has been desperately trying to take over Gaza's land so that they can take over the refineries and produce an oil supply.
And the United States is helping them do it.
But the United States is destroying itself.
It is so short-sighted.
Even if you're not motivated by the humanitarian rights of the Palestinians to exist without these crimes against humanity and just these obscene, obscene starvation, obscene deprival, deprivation, and the suffering of these children just sickens me.
The suffering of all these human beings sickens me as a human being, as watching this devastation.
I am horrified and appalled by it.
No one with any heart could look at this and think that it's acceptable for any reason to do this to anyone on this earth, whether you like Palestinians or not.
No human being should ever be targeted this, singled out for collective punishment of the Palestinian people.
And these are war crimes.
This is against the Geneva Conventions of War.
But it's going to take down the United States.
And we are already in a financial meltdown situation.
We are imploding.
We've already hit the Titanic and we are sinking rapidly.
And Israel is sucking up the last oxygen of power that the United States possesses.
By the end of 2028, our power structure, our powerhold, our global reach is going to be drastically different than it is today.
We have seen the end of the American Empire and it's going to be a rapid death.
And it's all coming from Israel.
Or so much of it is coming from Israel.
Back to you.
Oh, wonderful, Susan.
Wonderful, wonderful.
If those were the only statements you'd made today, I would be raving.
I'm just so happy to have you here.
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Even the government admits that 9-11 was a conspiracy.
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That Osama had nothing to do with it.
That the Twin Towers were blown apart by a sophisticated arrangement of mini or micro nukes.
That Building 7 collapsed seven hours later because of explosives planted in the building.
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Well, Susan, I'm so pleased to have you here once again on the show.
We got a very curious development here.
I have believed that Donald Trump converted to Judaism in 2017.
He's received a host of awards, including Tree of Life awards again and again, only given in the past to Jews.
And I do not believe they've made a change here to make Trump an exception.
We have footage of him in Israel where he's going to the whaling wall in Millennia in Ivanka, right there with him, wearing a Yamaluk.
I mean, it's all very traditional.
Now we have, and this is just days ago at a conference, Mark Levin is, as it were, manhandling Trump and describing him as our first Jewish president, which Trump confirmed.
Israel, hold on.
Hold on.
And he loves Israel, too.
That's true.
Two seconds.
Six years ago, I was up here.
And I said, this is our first Jewish president.
This is our first Jewish president.
This is our first Jewish president.
Now he's the first Jewish president to serve two not consecutive presidencies.
We thank you for everything.
We thank you.
Well, I think that Trump is foolish because if he looks at the Jewish voters, he will remember that New Yorkers hated him and New York Jews disparaged him, insulted him.
And this is a man of such immense ego.
Trump is such a man of immense ego that it stupefies me how he continues to be fooled by these people who turn their back on him at the polls in every blue state.
New York, Florida.
Florida, they say the same thing.
They won't vote for him.
He's a schmuck who follows them to continue supporting their policy.
That it seems to be the one area where he allows people to insult him and then continues to endorse them, even after they have insulted him.
I am of the opinion that his meeting with Mamdani in the White House was motivated by his desire to get housing contracts for building low-income housing in New York City, which Mamdani has been pushing for.
And that, in fact, he has a financial eye on making him a plaything of everyone.
It's like he doesn't have a moral compass that is authentic.
It is financially motivated.
And you do know that Mamdani has promised to build massive contracts of new housing, affordable housing, middle-income housing in New York City.
And Trump needs those contracts.
And he wants those contracts.
He's looking at that as a business venture that he'll be.
So now instead of standing against socialism like he promised, or standing for this or for that, it really turns out to be a financial perk, a financial quid pro quo.
Like, I'll back off my threats against you if you give me something.
What are you going to give me?
And I am that to me is a very Jewish thing to do.
It's very Jewish, very Jewish style of doing business.
But I don't think that Trump really understands that the Jewish people disrespect him so deeply.
He thinks that he's like their saint.
He's protecting Israel.
But the Jewish people see that and they despise him for it.
So that's my thoughts.
Those are great comments, Susan.
I love them.
There's, of course, more of it.
Here we, well, this is just, again, we're going to get the same song and dance.
Why Hannity, you know, has touted Mark Levin as the great one is beyond me.
Rather embarrassing.
Here we have the genocidal Mark Levin as exemplar of traditional Jewish hatred toward non-Jews.
And it's astonishing to me that the Jews won all the Christians debt.
We had this rabbi who was thought to be the mashiak, the Jewish Messiah come back to earth.
And he explained, no, no, he couldn't be the Meshach because there are still Christians alive on Earth.
Well, here we have Tucker talking about.
Pretty much every morning you wake up and open your phone and think to yourself, I wonder if this roiling fight on the right is still ongoing.
The fight over who's a Nazi and who's Nazi adjacent and who should be platformed and who should be deplatformed.
That fight, the one that has mesmerized ex-users across the world.
What is that fight actually about and how long will it continue?
Well, the first thing to know about it is that it didn't start three weeks ago with Nick Fuentes' appearance on a podcast.
No, this has been a fight taking place mostly behind the scenes since January.
And that tells you a lot about what it's actually about.
So here's how it began.
Donald Trump inaugurated January 22nd of this year.
Almost immediately after, he is visited at the White House by the first head of state to come to Washington, the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu.
And the visit is not simply a congratulatory visit.
They're not actually allies in any sense.
Remember that Benjamin Netanyahu was one of the very first to congratulate Joe Biden after the 2020 election.
So there's probably not a lot of warmth there, just guessing.
No, there was a purpose to the visit and the subsequent visits by the Prime Minister of Israel to Washington.
And that was to get American support for a regime change war in Iran to overthrow and replace the government of Iran, which the nation of Israel sees as its primary regional threat.
Iran has all kinds of very dangerous conventional weapons.
The United States spends a lot protecting Israel from those missiles.
And Israel is also concerned that at some point, Iran will either make or buy a nuclear weapon, leaving Israel no longer the only nuclear-armed nation in the region.
So that's what it's actually about.
And to be honest, you can see from Israel's point of view, if you're trying to identify long-term serious threats to you, Iran would be at or near the top of the list, especially since Israel has taken out almost all the other threats.
So really, it's just Iran.
The question is, is it in America's interest to participate in that war?
And make no mistake, Israel wouldn't last three days in a war by itself against Iran.
In fact, probably not even 24 hours.
Israel's population centers would be taken out by Iran's conventional weapons.
And at that point, the Israeli government could either nuke Iran, starting a chain reaction that, you know, you can't really predict once it begins, or allow hundreds of thousands of its own citizens, certainly tens of thousands, to be killed.
So Israel could not do it alone, and no honest person suggests or would suggest that it could.
It needs the United States.
So the question from the American perspective is, is it good for America to get involved in yet another Israel-inspired regime change war in the Middle East?
There have been quite a few, most notably Iraq.
Is that a good idea?
And so that debate began, and it mostly began behind the scenes.
It didn't sort of peek out into public view very often, but when it did, the people who wanted the regime change war against Iran almost, with almost zero exceptions, almost never admitted what they actually wanted, and they certainly never acknowledged what the debate was actually about.
It was about one nation's interest versus another nation's interest.
Do those interests convene?
Are they the same thing?
Or are they at odds with each other?
I can see why it'd be a good idea for Israel to want this.
Is it a good idea for us?
That's the debate that never took place.
And it didn't take place because almost from the beginning, the people who wanted regime change war with Iran made the debate instead about, why do you hate the Jews?
You're a Nazi.
And of course, that was never what the debate was about because Israel, the nation of Israel, the one with the parliament, the Knesset, and the military, the IDF, and lots of people and tech firms, and is not, by the way, exclusively Jewish.
And it isn't actually the same as all Jews in the world at all.
In fact, there are a lot of Jews around the world who have mixed feelings about Israel or certainly don't want a regime change war in Iran.
But the people who do want that in the United States, Israel's proxies in the United States, its defenders, its professional defenders in the U.S., immediately made the debate about the Jews.
It wasn't the anti-Semites who did that, actually.
It was the defenders of Israel in the United States, not all of whom are Jewish, to be clear.
They're the ones who made the debate from the first day, why do you hate the Jews?
And so for those who were hesitant to get into another regime change war, it's intimidating because you're happy to have a debate any time of day about what's in the interest of the United States.
When should we project military force?
What can we learn from the last 25 years, et cetera, et cetera?
And you'd probably win that debate because there's no evidence that any regime change war we've engaged in in the past couple of generations has helped us.
Zero evidence.
And everyone kind of knows that, including the president of the United States.
But if you make it a debate about why do you hate the Jews, then most people are going to opt out because they don't want to deal with it.
Most of them don't hate the Jews.
You hope, no evidence that they do.
But nobody wants to be tarred as a bigot.
And so very few people pushed back, very few.
In fact, as far as I know, only two people, me and Charlie Kirk, actually went and spoke directly to the president to make the case that, no, you shouldn't get involved in this war because its aim is not actually to deny Iran a nuclear weapon.
That may be a virtuous goal.
But that's not really what this is about.
What this is about is luring the United States into yet another regime change war.
And if you do that, it's bad for everybody, including you.
That's the case that we made.
Charlie went to the White House to make that case, and God bless him for doing that.
And he was hated, hated for doing that, hated for doing that.
But he did it.
Very few other people did.
In fact, as far as I know, none.
So, of course, in June, the debate ended and the United States did commit military force to Iran.
It bombed Iran and spent billions to protect Israel once again from the inevitable, the predictable conventional response from Iran, et cetera, et cetera.
And in the end, thank God, we did not get lured into a regime change war.
But the bitterness lingered and the total unwillingness of the people pushing for that war to state their aims, to be honest about what they wanted and to defend what they wanted, remained.
They understood from the very first day that they could not win that debate.
They didn't want that debate.
They wanted another debate where they felt they could win or at least cow their opponents into total silence.
And that debate was about, quote, the Jews, anti-Semitism.
And again, this is a country that hasn't had a lot of anti-Semitism.
Decent people are not anti-Semitic.
Christians understand that anti-Semitic behavior or thoughts, attitudes are un-Christian because Christians are universalist in their thinking.
Every person has the capacity to come to God through Jesus.
Every person, no matter how they were born.
And so, of course, no sincere Christian could be an anti-Semite and no sincere Christian would ever defend anti-Semitism.
In fact, he would call it out, as he would racism or any form of discrimination on the basis of blood.
He would call it out immediately.
So this was never about anti-Semitism, despite the fact there, of course, are anti-Semites and all kinds of other people in this country.
There are 350 million of them.
But this debate was not about the Jews or anti-Semitism.
It was about when to use military force and to what extent should you follow the lead of a much smaller nation as you think about your own nation.
And for a lot of people, this was enormously frustrating since Donald Trump was elected for the second time last November on a platform that explicitly promised, and this is why he was elected, to help the United States, which is in tough shape and getting worse.
And everybody knows that.
And all of a sudden, this foreign prime minister shows up and starts hijacking the attention and the money of our country to his ends.
And that could be any prime minister, by the way.
It happens to have been Benjamin Netanyahu.
But conceptually, that's outrageous.
And people were justly upset about it.
Absolutely, they were upset about it.
So where will this go?
Well, of course, the people who think the U.S. government should act always and everywhere on behalf of its own citizens, the America First People, those people are going to win the debate.
In fact, there's never actually been a real debate.
But when people's mind fog clears and they can think about what just happened, they'll understand that this was never about the Jews or anti-Semitism, much less Hitler, who's been dead for 80 years as of April.
No, it was about should the United States act in its own interests or should it subvert its own interests on behalf of a foreign power with a very effective lobby in Washington.
That's exactly what the debate is.
And the answer is, of course, no.
So the America first people or the people who just think the government should serve its own citizens, which let me remind you is the only legitimate rationale for representative government.
In other words, if the government is not representing its own citizens, if it doesn't care about its own citizens, it's not only off track, it's illegitimate.
It has no basis to govern because it's a representative democracy.
So you are morally bound.
You're legally bound to represent your own people.
That's the only purpose of having a government in our country is to represent our people.
And if you're not doing that, you're not legitimate.
So they will win.
And in a year or two, we're going to look back on what we've been watching for the last month or last eight months, and we're going to realize this is exactly like BLM or Me Too.
You know, at the core, there may have been a point, but basically, it's buffoonery.
It is an effort to divert your attention from the real crisis.
And we're going to wonder, wait a second, since when did the institutional right conservatives, people who run the think tanks and the dumb little magazines nobody reads and the people who blow via and Fox News, since when did those people become completely committed to identity politics and censorship?
Because they are committed to identity politics.
That's what this is.
It's identity politics.
Of course.
It's group over nation.
Of course.
It's another country above our country, a tiny country, an irrelevant country over our country.
And people are going to look at that and say, wait a second, we thought, in fact, we voted for you because we thought that the two things we could be assured you believed were you were against identity politics.
You lectured us about woke for like 10 years.
You're against woke because you're against identity politics.
You're against tribalism.
And here you are, not only embracing it, but using it as a cudgel to hit people in the face.
And maybe even more shocking, we knew for a fact you were against censorship.
I mean, isn't that the whole point of the Trump election?
We're against censorship.
You can't censor people in a free society.
You can't have censorship in a democracy.
How will you have the information required to vote?
Censorship is totally incompatible with Democratic government, period.
And it's also, by the way, illegal under the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
And Republicans just won an election on that platform.
And all of a sudden, we learn there's really nobody in the world more excited about censorship than a neocon podcaster or a national review staffer.
They just love it.
People aren't going to forget that.
And in a year or two or five years or whatever, we're going to look back as we do on COVID and the BLM riots and the Me Too movement.
And we're going to ask ourselves, how did we fall for another moral panic, another social media-driven moral panic?
How did everyone go insane all at once, denouncing each other and denouncing old friends and but clowning themselves because they're caught up in this moment and they can't see that they're betraying the very principles they claimed like six months ago they would give their lives for and I gotta say, I love Tucker.
Isn't that sensational?
Is anyone in the world capable of delivering with such clarity, comprehension, and easily understandable manner in such an accessible forum?
The message, the key message.
What's going on?
I love Tucker.
Love him.
Yes.
Yes, yes, yes.
And as someone who, to this day, I will close this.
I know we're coming to the end of the show.
And I am one of those who are still censored and subject to cancel culture.
Elon Musk has opened up Twitter, really?
X, the X platform, champion of free speech.
And yet I am permanently banned on Twitter.
I have tried to get my account back.
I have filed to his safety.
He has a safety committee at X.
I have said that my life is a matter of history, that people need to know this history about the real facts of Iraqi pre-war intelligence and including 9-11, but also my insights into what's happening in the Middle East.
And I am permanent, it does not move him.
He is my voice without ever saying the word Israel.
They have decided that they don't want the American people to have factual knowledge about real anti-terrorism, the real lies told in the war on terrorism, the real lies told about the Iraqi war.
And I am still banned to this day because Elon Musk is a fob for Israel.
He is a stooge.
And when I hear him, and I hear him talk about free speech, I'm like, yes, yes, I agree with everything you say.
So why am I banned?
Why am I censored?
And it all goes back to my involvement in the Iraq issue and the depth of my knowledge of factual history in the Middle East and how that poses, factual knowledge poses a threat to the Israeli justifications for war.
And the false stories that they're leading us down the garden path.
It's the Pied Piper of Hamlin leading the children away from their villages, down to the cliffs and jumping off the cliffs like lemmings.
And we are, you know, I am one of those who is permanently forever tarred, even though I am opposed to killing children.
I am opposed to violence.
I am opposed to real terrorism.
I met Osama bin Laden.
I know I worked in anti-terrorism.
I gave advance warning about the first World Trade Center attack, the 9-11 attack, the bombing of the USS Cole, all of these things.
I contributed to the first investigation of Osama bin Laden.
I negotiated the Lockerbie trial.
But in every, I negotiated the return of the weapons inspectors to Iraq.
But in every situation, my work put me in direct conflict, confrontation with Israel's agenda of war and the manipulations that Israel was conducting to try to rationalize the force that they were shoving the United States into.
And once you rip the veil of truth, rip the veil of lies off your eyes, and you see the truth and you see factual evidence, you know that there is no reason for these wars.
You don't need a war in Iran to solve this problem.
Iran really just wants to use nuclear energy for its own economic engines of like providing heat and energy to its public.
It's not really looking for war anyway.
And we don't need to have these.
Iran doesn't need to produce a nuclear bomb.
It's not going, it is not engaged in an aggressive military action against Iran, against Israel.
Everyone in the Middle East united together is horrified by the abuses in Gaza.
And that is, we are creating the wars with our own actions that are causing these people to respond.
But that is our action, not theirs.
It is not Saddam who threatened Israel.
It was not Saddam who threatened any other country.
They wanted peace with the United States.
You know, Iran wants peace with the United States.
I have received phone calls from Iranian leaders in Tehran saying, please, could you get us to Trump?
And I don't have the capability to do that because Trump doesn't want to hear from me, even though I'm a Trump voter, even though I supported his America First agenda because I wanted to have peace in this.
I want to see the United States rebuild our own economy and solve our own problems and rebuild our manufacturing.
And that's where our energy should be focused on, is rebuilding our own.
No nation is ever toppled from without until it first destroys itself from within.
And that is what's happening to us right now.
And we don't have to worry about Iran.
That has nothing to do with us.
They're not going to threaten us at all.
Venezuela, I disagree with you on the narco-trafficking.
The Medellín cartel is definitely pushing heroin and cocaine and meth and all the bad fentanyl drugs all that they can.
And they are shipping that through Venezuela and Ecuador.
But notice that we're not going after Colombia.
We're not going after Ecuador.
We're not going after Honduras or Mexico.
We're going after the one country, the only country that has oil.
And that is the problem.
We don't care about Honduras at all.
We don't care about any of these other countries at all.
We only care about the country that's got the oil.
And that is strictly because Donald Trump knows that in 2020, it is about power for the United States.
In 2026 and 2028, we're looking at major losses in the Republican Party unless Trump can get the affordability question and inflation under control.
And if he can persuade voters that their life is better because the oil prices are lower, then we will then, and Venezuela stands with the oil.
And they are, Trump is asserting power, a Monroe doctrine, because of BRICS.
And Venezuela is the most important country because of its oil reserves.
And that's what's going on here.
And it has nothing to do with censorship, cancel culture.
Even to this day, even to this day, I still have to fight with Elon Musk, the champion of free speech, because my anti-war message, My success in negotiations over with intractable pariah nations,
Iraq, and Libya, solving these problems without military conflict, achieving structural changes in Libya and Iraq without military conflict, that threatens the Israeli agenda.
So, Susan, this has been superb.
And I want to wish you the best for the holidays.
A Merry Christmas, New Year, your move.
And I want to have the option of bringing you back again in the new year to talk to you.
I would love to.
I would love to.
I can't.
I have missed our shows.
I have missed our shows, Jim.
And let me just say, I'm sending a shout out to Scott Bennett in his angel spirit because I feel like he's with us today.
We used to do so many wonderful shows together on my former podcast on Truth Frequency Radio.
And I love you guys.
I really do love you guys.
And Scott, wherever you are in this moment with God, Scott Bennett died a year ago, and I just and I love his spirit.