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Dec. 11, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (10 December 2025) Katherine Horton & Bill Binney UNDER FIRE!
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Welcome to another real deal special where I'm interviewing Bill Benny and Catherine Horton under fire and they are under fire.
Catherine, tell me the latest here, the attack on your home, cracking a window, the whole bit.
Yeah, we were just before we came online, we were just talking about it.
That so for people who don't know, the U.S. Air Force or their contractor, Lockheed Martin, is operating a drone above our house where they are shooting our house and mostly me inside with so-called pulsed energy projectiles.
Those are classified, novel electromagnetic waveforms that have a longitudinal punch, something that's not allowed by the classical Maxwell's equations.
I suspect it's Tesla physics, but that aside, it is an electromagnetic shock wave that has the power to crack support beams, shatter glass, kill people.
It also has the ability to, well, they punched two holes into metal shielding we had in your house in Maryland.
We were under that shielding.
There were two holes being punched in without any corresponding holes in the roof and the floors above.
So this is a vicious modern new weapons technology that most don't know anything about because it's classified.
But despite it being classified, they're openly targeting Americans and people around the world with it.
So what they did to us is that typically they shoot the ceiling as soon as we go to bed.
So there's a regular routine where they would shoot a metal mirror on my dresser so that it makes a heck of a mighty loud impact sound.
And they got into the habit of doing it every night.
And sometimes they vary it by shooting the ceiling out of walls.
And it really sounds like somebody just took a maybe a golf club and hit a support beam above your head as hard as they could.
So that's the level of impact sound that it makes.
It is, I mean, it's not just the standard cracking of wood beams under expansion and contraction that you might hear.
These are massively loud impact sounds.
And every once in a while, they smash up something.
So in Switzerland, they smashed a glass shade close to my face.
So it literally looked like it exploded.
There was no heating, you know, heating or cooling of that lampshade.
So that wasn't it.
And what just happened a couple of days ago is that they shot a brand new window we had put in our master bathroom.
The window is brand new.
It opens and closes effortlessly.
So there's no tension or shear forces on the glass at all.
And we just went to bed and suddenly there was this heck almighty cracking, glass cracking sound in the master bathroom.
And I even said to Bill, did something fall down?
I was concerned about the new flooring that we had put in.
Did they crack a tile?
What happened?
And the next day we saw this big crack across the window.
And I should say it's double glazing.
This is on the inner window.
So nothing hit it from the outside.
Something hit it so that it cracked the second layer after the first pane of glass.
So it is what they think they're accomplishing.
The two of you cannot be intimidated.
So if they think they're going to try and discourage you, that's ridiculous.
It ain't going to happen.
So what do they think they're accomplishing?
It's kind of like a gradual attrition rate because this is meant to be a continuous level of stress because every once in a while they shoot me in the head so that I nearly pass out.
So it's not just, oh, we're just going to, you know, hit the beams.
So every night I sleep with two metal helmets and I fall asleep every single night listening to the impact sounds on the metal helmet.
And eventually, every once in a while, they punch through those two metal helmets so that I have light flashes in my eyes as the electromagnetic energy rips through the optical nerve.
At nighttime, they are trying to debilitate me permanently, like they did with a friend of mine, NSA whistleblower Karen Malcolm Stewart.
But during the day, they want to remind me that they can shoot me dead or debilitate me so that Bill can't take care of me at any moment's notice.
And they do it night and day, night and day for years.
To some victims, they've done it for decades.
You know, it's one thing for us to discuss, but this story belongs on the front page of the New York Times for crying out loud.
This is so outrageous.
This is so insulting.
This is such an abuse of the American military.
I find the whole thing outrageous.
Yeah, the newspapers will not report about it.
It was in 2017 when I informed every major newspaper and listed victim cases that they could have easily researched online.
They refused.
There's a complete blackout about this torture, terror, and ultimately mass murder program.
So, yeah, and it continues under Trump.
So, the Trump administration is impervious to contacts via their contact form, letters sent to the White House, you know, contacts put through the Secret Service, because with these weapons, they can shoot Trump any day, any day they wanted.
And there would be nothing the Secret Service can do.
Yeah, but I think Trump is.
See, we may devote here.
I think he's such an Israeli toady that they find him more useful in office.
We put out a national security strategy statement bill.
I don't know if you've seen it, but it looked very positive.
Talking about the U.S. accepting a multipolar world, no longer trying to be the hegemon, focusing really on America, border security, Western hemisphere sounded wonderful.
Then you read where all the actions we're taking are contradictory.
That in the end, CDAA, the latest buried a thousand pages in, is a plan to rearm Israel for any weapons they lose because of other nations' opposition to genocide.
That, you know, the U.S. is going to give them a secret $30 billion financial bailout.
And now Trump is inviting to the White House for the fifth time.
I mean, I find all this just disgusting beyond belief.
I welcome your thoughts, but I am so disillusioned with the American government, I could vomit.
Well, I'm always been with Thomas Jefferson and not wanting to be in any way in entanglements and foreign affairs.
All it does is get into wars and they're never-ending wars and killing people.
And it's just totally destructive.
I have a Bill saw that just, I think, half an hour before coming online on the show.
I lost my cool about them now.
They just pirated a Venezuelan oil tanker.
And I say pirated because they themselves said it was off the coast of Venezuela.
And again, the claim from Pam Bondi, and it's Pam Bondi's message that set me off, is that they're claiming this oil was going to Iran to support foreign terrorist organizations.
Now, I would believe this if, number one, it weren't Pam Bondi, and she pretty much lied about everything else.
But number two, they control the entire world, as in the U.S. military.
Any foreign terrorist organization can be droned, hit with a missile strike.
So you don't have to go upstream and pick one country supplying oil to them.
I mean, is nobody else supplying oil?
Is Saudi Arabia not supplying oil?
So this is nonsense.
And don't you think Iran has enough oil on its own?
Right.
So it was what really upset me is that what's coming out of the Trump administration.
And here's the thing: it's not even Trump.
I said to Bill, would this have been Trump's idea?
Most likely not.
It's the Pentagon.
And Trump is so trusting because, I mean, as I said last time, everything that Trump, the person Trump does, is amazing.
Every single time he relies on advisors from the FBI, from the DOJ, or from the Pentagon, it is appalling.
And I think what he is doing is he's taking a wagon load of information on trust from his so-called advisors, forgetting that it is the military and the intelligence agencies that tried to kill him several times and have just recently tried again.
The sniper's nest, I didn't mention it last time, was on, I think, a U.S. Army Reserve area.
So it is the U.S. military and the U.S. intelligence agencies trying to murder Trump still.
And it is them from whom he's taking advice on the drug trade and on what to do, you know, militarily.
And it's bullshit.
I just don't understand why they can't follow the boats to where they're going to land and then arrest them and try them.
Sure.
We're in her dictionary.
Let's see.
Go aboard, find out what they're doing.
Yeah, I don't understand why we can't do that.
You know, the latest because this double tap where there were two survivors, you know, it's happened twice now.
The earlier event were two survivors and said, Adam, take them out.
He claims he didn't make the decision the admiral did.
But now we're getting the absurd story.
They were climbing back on the board and they were going to try to arm themselves to defend themselves to perpetrate further acts of terror.
I mean, it's just absurd, absurd.
And this last time when there were two survivors, they actually took them into custody.
You think they're lurking?
I think that double tap principle goes back to, if you remember the collateral murder movie in Baghdad, where they thought they saw people, a gang of about eight, nine men walking along the street together.
And they were actually reporters in there and they had cameras over their shoulders.
They thought they were guns, or they said they were.
And they killed them.
And then they waited until people came along and tried to help those that were bleeding on the street.
And then they shot them too.
That's called the double tap.
That's a double tap principle.
It's done been, you know, since I mean, it goes back even to Obama used it all the time with the missiles on the drones.
You know, it's just crazy.
I mean, one of the guys, some guy was driving along in Baghdad taking his kids to school, and he saw this guy bleeding on the street.
So he stopped to help him.
And then someone else came along to help.
And they were going to pick him up and take him to the hospital.
And then they shot them too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Including the two kids in the back seat of the car.
Yeah.
It was just insane.
Yeah.
And the thing is that I go back to the principle of deep capture, that the military is in deep capture is beyond doubt and the FBI, because they have been involved in child trafficking, drug trafficking, anything, crimes against humanity, anything under the sun.
So if the Trump admin comes in and there is no major cull of people in five levels of management, you have not done anything about deep capture.
Now, the only person that I'm aware of who culled senior management is the director of the Secret Service, Sean Curran.
He came in and I think they called it the Bloody Friday.
He just sacked a bunch of people.
That's what you're meant to do if you want to cycle an organization out of deep capture.
I have not heard of mass sackings at the FBI and most certainly not at the Pentagon.
They're trying to go after some old armchair generals by saying, hey, you have to keep the fitness standard, otherwise you're out.
They're trying to go after them by being too fat.
How about you go after them for crimes against humanity?
So, you know, it is the same lying criminal transnational organization that is still trafficking drugs and children.
So if the Trump admin takes anything on trust, it is not a surprise that they will be literally taking the piss by shooting open bass boats without anybody in that are not going anywhere because they're bobbing in the waves.
And they will use expensive missiles to snipe them out and tell the president, oh, yeah, we stopped the drug trade by sea.
And meanwhile, keep the military's real drug trade perfectly alive and well.
I think also the other thing that people forget that was reported in Europe, at least for a short period of time before it was scrubbed on the instructions of the US, is that when they went into Afghanistan, the U.S. military took over fields and forced coerced farmers to plant their GMO high-yield poppies for opium.
Do people think all that opium just went to the pain clinics in the US?
Or do they also are open to the suggestion that that was majorly being sold on the streets of the US to fund the black budget of the military?
Now, has anybody investigated that or stopped that or court-martialed the generals and the military personnel who were involved in this?
Fuck no.
So it's still continuing, just as before.
So if these people start claiming anything about bass boats and oil tankers, I'm not going to believe a bloody word that they're saying, especially not if it comes from Pambondi.
Sorry, that's my round for today.
One of the keys to all these ops is that after 9-11, Congress granted an exemption to the executive branch that they had the authority to attack terrorists wherever they were to be found.
So now they just use this very expansive, flexible definition.
There's no reason to think the Venezuelan president is a terrorist, but by calling him a terrorist, they justify U.S. military action.
Well, the real drug dealers are in Mexico.
They're not in Venezuela.
I watched today, Max Blumenthal was talking about, and it's so obvious, you know, I felt silly that I hadn't thought about it before.
The CIA ties to the Mexican drug dartels.
And the CIA is the biggest drug operation in the world.
Of course, they're working with the Mexicans.
So if Trump wants to go over the terrorists, he doesn't have to go to Venezuela.
He can just go to Langley.
Yes, correct.
Well, you should look up Google CIA program, Watchtower, Pegasus, and Amadeus.
Yes.
And by the way, as I said, those are things you should do because those are their connections to the Colombian, you know, morphine and stuff.
I mean, Martin, okay, cocaine coming in from South America.
Footnote here, footnote.
The program names are always very important because Pegasus, Watchtower, and Amadeus were the drug import programs that are still running, right?
Now, the thing is, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was a Freemason, quite a famous one.
Didn't do him any good, though.
Pegasus is a Masonic symbol, and the city of London is plastered with the Pegasus symbol, the city of London, the square mile.
So that's another Masonic symbol.
And Watchtower is again another symbol.
Why?
Because also the Watchtower, typically one light.
So it's the all-seeing eye rotating at the top of the obelisk, right?
So all three are Masonic symbols, these program names, and they are tied to the intelligence agencies and the drug trade.
So in other words, the Transnational Criminal Organization of Freemasonry that controls the intelligence agencies has their symbols plastered all over the CIA's drug trade, just as a footnote.
So it's the crown.
I'm saying basically for those people who can't follow, it's the crown, okay?
The British crown running the show behind all this.
Wow.
Yeah, but it's the same players.
And all I'm saying is I can still, to this day, I can see that Trump is working really hard.
Just today, he just put out a truth saying that he's the hardest working president.
And then he listed all his achievements.
And they are all true.
They are phenomenal.
But that's his work.
My question is, not even addressed to Trump, but to Pete Hegseth, who doesn't know anything about the black ops of the military, the black project, never investigated the black projects in the black budget.
What the hell would he know?
He's going to be like Little Red Riding Hood.
Okay.
So that's number one.
And then the FBI, what are they doing?
The DOJ, what are they doing?
That's what the real rut is to this day.
And he should remember that unless he sacks the top leadership and brings in new people, he will be lied to Monday to Sunday.
Well, this Kash Patel seemed to me to be a complete clown.
He is utterly inconfident.
I have no confidence in him whatsoever.
And you've already been talking about Dan Bond.
He is an inside liar.
I mean, she's so shallow.
It's just embarrassing what's become of the American government.
Yeah, but it's basically that's the fault lines.
And what I would do, the only person who talked really strongly and took at least one action that showed that there are certain principles and values in him that are non-negotiable is Dan Bongino.
He did on a Wednesday afternoon just storm out of the FBI and people didn't know if he's going to come back.
He didn't turn up and they didn't know if he's going to even be back next Monday.
Now that shows balls.
That's for me what qualifies him for Trump to at least try him as the real FBI director.
If Bongino sticks to the things, the principles he's been espousing all throughout his time on the Dan Bongino show, we should be fine.
And if he brings in advisors who are truly experts on forensics and investigations and transnational criminal organizations like the Freemasons, he will be fine.
But he has to, Trump has got to get rid of Kash Patel because remember the, oh, it took us 33 hours to be precise, the Masonic 33 hours signaling.
Now, when you have the FBI director openly cartel signaling with Masonic keywords, he is talking to the crown.
He's talking to the crown, not to the American people.
So that's already, he should be fired based on that.
As I always used to say and still do, it took him 32 hours to answer the phone call from the parents of the guy, did it?
Yeah, we took another hour to get him.
absurd yeah and it's it's more dangerous than people realize because once you study sorry Well, I'm going to say, you know, the point is they shouldn't be struggling with this.
They have all the information already that, I mean, Chris, I knew they had all the dope network worldwide decades ago.
Okay.
It was all known.
It's all in that database they've been compiling.
It's all laid out there.
I don't understand why they're not arresting them by the thousands instead of the hundreds.
Well, I think we have evidence of why they are not doing it.
You said you reported a drug dealer up in Baltimore and the police said, oh, yeah, we know about it.
But, well, yeah, if you know about him, there should be an automatic arrest.
But that drug dealer went on to continue dealing drugs.
And I reported a drug dealer who went who lived next door to our fixed wrapper in the next town.
And, you know, the people who were doing up this fixed wrapper for us were complaining that these are men who are jacked, okay, because they're on a construction site all day long.
And they were telling me they weren't comfortable staying even a minute after 5 p.m. beyond anything because of the people who turned up every 20 minutes picking up drugs from this house.
And I reported it to the local police who could not care less, who could not care less.
And eventually, one young police officer blurted out that they just attended a drug overdose at that house.
And I said, What are you waiting for?
For somebody to die?
When are you going to raid the house?
When are you going to arrest the drug dealer when you have all this evidence?
But what becomes clear from the actions of the police is that they're not there to shut down the drug trade.
They are there to lovingly care for it and make sure it can continue for the FBI.
That's the thing.
That's how the whole country has been run.
The police has been protecting the drug trade, and the FBI has been running the distribution network of the stuff imported by the military and the CIA.
It would explain why they don't want to do it on a grand scale.
You know, it would explain that you do a little dribble at a time, arresting small numbers of them.
So you say you're really continuing to do something, but instead of taking them on en masse.
Yeah.
And they're on the payroll.
And it's a hell of a lot easier just to go along and get paid off than to actually take risks that might lead to your own demise.
I mean, you know, so you're protecting yourself with a cozy relationship with the outfit running the show.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, you know, at one time I had a chance to fix that inside the FBI.
But it was after they came at me and threatened me with indictments and so on, pointed guns at me, you know.
And at that time, I was in no position to even work for anybody that pointed guns at me.
So, but I could have fixed this back in 2009.
But, and they were asking me to do that, and I refused.
Now, under Trump, I'd be willing to do that because I think he would do something with it.
These people, I think, they would use it in a bad way.
I've got one thing to add, though.
Let's look at the chronology.
So, Bill had a fake raid by the FBI by crooked, what's his name, Paul Merrick, who was read into the, what's it called, the Stellar Wind program.
So, he was a co-conspirator to crimes against the American people who raided your house in 2007.
A few months later, he started having the flesh-eating bacterial infections in 2008 that led to the loss of both your lower legs.
And in 2009, the FBI claims to come and want to fix the drug trade.
My view is: good job, you didn't help them because they probably wanted to steal your IP to turn it on the title.
That's what they wanted to do.
Yeah, so no way, no way, no way.
Because we knew they were really messed up, okay?
They couldn't figure their way out of a paper bag and all that data there.
Yeah, I didn't, they didn't want to because you can, you know, in Germany, we call it the Chinese principle.
You can either be clever and run analysis so that you actually do it the smart way, the quick, efficient way, or you're throwing manpower at the problem.
That's the Chinese approach, right?
Yeah, if people, they just throw people.
But it's also the reason they got over 250,000 violations of the FISA law last year.
Yeah.
You know, you don't get that many unless you, if you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have you wouldn't have those problems.
I wager those were all targeted people that were just trying to, they were people that weren't most likely weren't involved in anything because it's a call to violation.
Well, if it's a violation, the violation, you know, did you did you arrest these people?
Usually they use the Stellar Wind program to go arrest people, and then they do a parallel construction, concoct the data to say, this is the data we used to arrest them when, in fact, it was the NSA collected data.
Okay.
Then you do the swap because you can't use the NSA data in a court of law to convict anybody.
So, and that's why I got mad at the Supreme Court, too, because they rejected Amnesty International versus Clapper lawsuit.
They rejected them because the Solicitor General lied to them and said anybody that the NSA data was used in a criminal court case, they would be told that that was the case.
It's true.
You have to have that.
They have to produce that for discovery.
Here is the basis for arrest, right?
It was the NSA data, not this fabricated crap.
It's called perjury, right?
So that's why I kept calling it a planned program perjury policy run by the Department of Justice of the United States.
and it's still running yeah man muller is not a he was questioned aren't you aren't you uh ashamed of this parallel construction and the way it's operated And he said, no, not at all.
Well, that means he's not at all, you know, he's not standing up for his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution because it's a direct violation of the Constitution, First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments.
Right.
So, I mean, I can't understand why these people even can look in the mirror and shave without cutting their throats for the treasonous actions that they're performing.
Because they're psychopathic degenerates, that's why.
The FBI psychologically profiles anybody they hire, and unless they're degenerate and have a control file on them, they ain't going to be hired.
Or they get hired for little grunt work where they pretend that they are saving the United States and they are dumb enough to not to realize that they are being led on.
But the point is, so what Bill was trying to explain for the listeners who didn't follow it at the high speed, parallel construction is when the mass surveillance data that NSA has, every phone call, every email, anything that anybody's ever sent since 2001, right, is stored forever.
So they can go through that.
And if they do it to an American, that they find dirt on them through the NSA databases unlawfully, then find the dirt and then go back and manufacture evidence to make it look like that was the evidence they used.
That's called parallel construction.
So this is the NSA databases unlawfully collected, unlawfully accessed as the legal avenue of finding dirt on people.
And then they pretend, oh, we actually had this investigation, but it's kind of fake afterwards, right?
Yeah, well, it's a violation of their rights to challenge discovery of evidence that was the evidence they used to arrest them from the beginning.
And it's a direct violation of the right to challenge that.
Yeah.
So this, I think this would be unlawful to do it to an American citizen and then basically set them up like it's like a violation of the Fifth Amendment.
You have the right not to testify against yourself.
Yeah.
Now, if they had a warrant, that'd be fine.
They could go in and get the data under a warrant.
Yeah.
But they didn't do that.
That's why they had the 250,000 plus violations.
Yeah.
But one thing I think you can do.
And they're not doing anything to fix that, by the way.
And that's an easily fixable thing.
Yeah.
But here's the point I'm trying to make.
So while parallel construction is unlawful, right, if let's say DNI, Tulsi Gabbard, and Donald Trump woke up one day and realized, hang on, we're being fucked around by the FBI here.
And they get in Bongino, sack Kash Patel, and they say, okay, we want to do it properly and actually truly drain the drug trade.
Given that it's tied to foreign organizations that are, yes, committing terrorism by killing Americans and importing drugs and violating crimes, couldn't they use the NSA databases to unmask all the foreign drug import networks?
It's already laid out.
Yeah, so it's already available.
They are just lied to and not told that they can get it done in a day.
They can have all this data in a day, and then they can spend the next weeks and months just arresting people and stopping the drugs.
But I think what's happening is that you get people of high integrity, like Judge Janine, for example.
I truly, truly think she's trying to do her best.
And then she's there announcing this big drug haul that she had.
There was an entire hangar full of drugs.
And it was the biggest drug haul ever.
And they kind of, you know, drip-drip little things to these people.
And it is the biggest drug haul ever because drugs have not been, you know, seized for so long.
Yeah, do a little bit and it's the biggest drug heist ever.
But she's not told that the same agency could have given her 10 times, 20, 50 times that amount of seized drugs easily, easily, because she seizes those drugs and the drug trade in DC continues.
The politicians still have cocaine to snort off Hooker's backside.
So where does that come from?
Right?
Where does all that come from?
So I think that's the real issue that people are not being told the truth.
And yeah.
But I think there's a quick solution to all of this.
And the quick solution is just to get somehow through to the people and let them know what they truly can do.
We have to get through to DNI Tulsi Gabbard and Judge Janine or Attorney General Janine and Piro, I should say, and Trump.
But we can't.
We're being stonewalled by the drug trafficking intelligence agencies.
So that's what we're up to.
That's what we're up to.
Sorry, I didn't want to barge in about you.
I want more.
I want absolutely more.
Yeah.
Your critique is spot on.
Actually, one of the things I could do sometime is to show you the data behind the IED discoveries we did using Google.
Yes.
By hand.
And, you know, that was the one that the CBP rejected.
We also gave it to the Secret Service guys in Washington when we both went up there.
So they have it too.
But the point was that back then in 2006, when we did this, we also found out not just that one set of companies involved in buying international parts to make IEDs for terrorists to use in Iraq and Afghanistan, excuse me.
But also at the same time, we found about 57 other activities inside Dubai that were Iranian-based, looking like they should be investigated for doing other kinds of smuggling, like guns or something like that.
And who did anything about that?
Nobody.
Yeah.
Nobody.
Well, here's the thing, though, when you handed in the data about the IEDs to the Secret Service, we should also say that handing stuff into the Secret Service sounds like somebody who knows their shit took it over.
That's not what happened.
We announced that we would like to hand in evidence pertaining to the assassination attempts of the president and directed energy weapons on the streets of DC.
And we were blocked.
And they pretended they never got our letters.
And then they sent junior secret special agents to talk to us who knew nothing about nothing, right?
And then they took your data on the IEDs.
And IEDs are not the most obvious threat.
So, if they can't investigate the obvious threats of the assassination attempts on the president, they cannot handle that data.
They don't have any administrative infrastructure to handle it.
And especially because people might not know, but the investigative division of the Secret Service is not there to investigate the assassination attempts on Trump and the threats against their protectees.
They are doing financial investigations, counterfeit bills, hashtag newsflash.
Every single dollar in circulation is most likely a counterfeit by now because it gets digitally created by the credit card companies.
Most of the dollars are debt dollars now.
So it's nonsense.
It is the biggest non-starter ever, the biggest nothing burger.
So a bunch of poor people skimmed some shit off the ATMs.
Who gives a damn?
Who gives a damn?
But somebody's trying to assassinate the president.
And the same organization trying to protect the president has an investigative division dedicated to something that truly doesn't matter on the grand scheme of things.
Incidentally, the same kind of technique that we use for the IEDs also showed up in Bernie Madoff's operation because you could pull all of his operations together using the same shared attribute technique.
Yeah, but more pertinently, but it will do it worldwide too.
More pertinently, that technique using the NSA databases would find the network behind the Trump assassination attempts.
Now, the Secret Service should be interested in that because just on October 16th, they found a sniper's nest.
So, would they not want to know who was involved in that?
How they are tied to Butler and Ryan Ruth and all the other stuff that went down?
You know?
So, anyway, in short summary, you know, because it's coming to the end of the year and there should be like a year review at some point.
Trump has done amazing stuff.
A lot of things are going badly wrong, but the stuff that's going badly wrong is not his department, really.
It is the DOJ, the FBI, and the Pentagon that's going horrifically wrong.
And he needs to do something.
He needs to stop looking outward and stopping foreign wars and start stopping the internal war that the intelligence agencies and the military are running against the American people.
And this war will be much harder to stop than even Ukraine and Russia.
And he needs to get on it by yesterday.
And I think he needs to start with sacking Kash Patel, moving Dan Bongino one up, sacking Pam Bondi.
God, if he could sack Pam Bondi and move A.G. Pirro to become the to get Pam Bondi's job, that would be amazing.
Just imagine the press conferences, instead of having, you know, washed out Pam Bondi, not really knowing his stuff, it would be, it would be Judge Janine who actually knows her shit.
Wouldn't that be mind-blowing if the press conferences would of the FBI would sound like the Dan Bongino show, and if, you know, the press conferences of the DOJ would sound like A.G. Pirro sounded like when she was talking about the DC case of the shooting of the National Guard members.
Wouldn't we all feel better about the country?
Quite a lot.
No doubt.
No doubt.
So that's my Christmas wish list for President Trump.
All I want for Christmas is for Kash Patel to be gone and for Pam Bondi to be gone.
And I think Pete Hexes needs to sit down with Catherine Austin Fitz and learn about the black budget of the military that is laundered through HUD, the Housing and Urban Development Fund, into a huge, I think, 43 trillion or over 20 trillion pool of black money that Pete Hexas' military is using to hound and torture and murder Americans.
If we get this done, then I think then the Trump admin is truly kicking us.
I think.
Would you agree?
Well, I would say there's any number of government agencies that need to be probed for all of this contributions to the black budget.
I mean, it's not, and also waste and fraud like they're having in Minnesota now.
I mean, that's, I think that's just the tip of the iceberg.
This should all this could be laid out too.
It's already laid out.
It's not there being able to recognize it, going in and getting it and doing something about it.
They just don't have the will to do that.
They're talking about a billion in Minnesota, but out in California, maybe 25 billion.
And nobody knows where the money has gone.
I mean, $25 billion?
Give me a break.
But just remember, when people say they don't know where the money has gone, the banks all have the records.
They all have the records.
NSA has all the records where the money's gone because these billions are not gold bars being ferried with rinks, trucks, and FedEx trucks.
This is digital money being transferred and funneled around.
So the computers have all the records.
NSA has stored this forever.
They can reconstruct every single penny.
But the real issue is that the volume of data is so vast, they need to have thin threads to go through it because Palantir will never go through it.
Palantir is a deep state.
Yeah, right.
It will arrange things and group things and put things up in a pretty display for somebody to figure out.
Yeah.
That's what it'll do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know that for those who don't know the story, you know that directly from the horse's mouth, the Dutch police, that's the thing.
Well, that's basically what the Dutch police said.
Yeah, the Dutch police got a contract for what, 10 million?
Yep.
So they paid Palantir 10 million, which for a small European country is a metric shit of money.
Major investments.
Nothing here in the US, but it's a big deal.
And the police was really frustrated because after paying 10 million, Palantir did jack all.
They had onwards.
Yeah.
They had the Dutch word for fuck all.
I had a Palantir went on the air and was on drugs.
He was.
Yes.
Gosh.
Did people see that?
He was just bouncing around in his chair.
So hyper.
John McNabbin down acting manic.
It was bizarre.
Well, as they say, cocaine is a hell of a drug.
There you go.
There you go.
He was coked up.
I think Jimmy Doer did a wonderful impression because this guy was just jumping up and down in his chair and just waving at the interview and you know, throwing his work out, being generally hyper.
Yeah.
I didn't see that.
Honestly, you have to watch Jimmy Doe's impression because I laughed throughout the whole report.
It was hilarious.
Jimmy Doer is so damn good.
Honestly.
Yes, I love him.
I mean, and he does it with such a deft touch.
Yeah.
And also, Curt Matzka and Steph are the three of them are the perfect duo because Jimmy Doe would do a routine and then Kurt Matzka would throw in a really sarcastic comment.
It's just, they have me laughing throughout.
Be honest, there was you know what we decided to do a long while ago is always listen to Jimmy Dore in favor of anything else because sometimes these topics are just too bloody heavy going.
You know, you just want to top yourself and you just consume it all day long.
But Jimmy Dore really brings a humorous element to it, so it's easier to digest.
Yeah, I love the guy, he seems to be doing a good job.
And you know what?
The other thing is that people like you, Jim, and Jimmy Doer and you know, Alex Jones, and everybody who has their alternative media platform does the work that the news media used to do.
Yeah, I remember those days when Jim, you and I used to be academics just doing our own thing in our own fields, and you used to be in NSA doing your own thing.
Now we have to do outreach and be on YouTube videos and you know, put out these interviews.
That's not really our job.
That would be the media's job, which it isn't doing, it's abdicated for propaganda.
It is growing and they become a part of the deep state.
Yes, yes, yeah.
Casey made that clear in 1981.
He said we're infiltrating the media.
And when you, when basically, when most of what they say is false, you'll know we've succeeded.
He said, when most of what the Americans believe is false, it's false.
Well, through the media.
What he said is when everything the American people believe is false, we will have succeeded with our disinformation.
I mean, I'm afraid of us there when he said it.
For the mainstream media, that's true now.
I mean, that's the case then.
It has been for about a decade and a half or two.
I mean, I think 9-11 gave them the impression that they then had the right to do anything they wanted.
They'd go to any degree, like torture or whatever.
And when Cheney said, now we have to go to the dark side, that's exactly what we did.
Yes.
I think even that was misinformation because Cheney was on the dark side before.
He didn't go anywhere.
He stayed poor.
But he openly admitted it then.
That's the point.
Yeah, I don't know.
But again, as we're moving towards Christmas, there are so many upsides to this.
Sorry, I didn't mean to bump you.
There's so many upsides to this because before 9-11, people had a much high degree of faith in the media.
9-11 did wonders in Europe, where certainly my generation, I mean, in Germany, everybody I know knew within a week that 9-11 was nonsense.
And then we watched the slow-motion car crash as you know, they invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq, and then they started lying and lying.
But I remember it vividly.
My school friends and I, I mean, actually, we were at university at the time, but we just met up.
I think it was my, yeah, we just got back from university in the summer and we met up and we watched 9-11 happen on a on a screen in a in a restaurant or the news rerun.
And within a week, all of us were openly discussing about how the CIA and the US military had pulled that off.
There was no doubt in our minds.
So that did wonders.
The Iraq war did wonders for waking up the American people.
It had the greatest protest in the history of the United Kingdom was against the Iraq war.
So, you know, I think millions of people have woken up, but they have woken up, but they still haven't learned how to pull the levers of their own government, how to submit class action lawsuits, how to elect really effective leaders, how to, you know, not have their associations and groups infiltrated and broken up.
So they still need to learn.
They need to catch up with decades of warfare techniques developed by the intelligence agencies who really developed to target them from the beginning.
Well, you can see that also in England and what's going on in England there today, too.
So, I mean, it's the same thing.
That's the totalitarian state coming into being.
Yeah.
Oh, I think most Americans don't know.
I didn't know.
I just found out today that the UK postponed their local election by elections by two years.
Entire.
Yes, entire.
Yep.
So that I think is because the Reform Party is really gathering momentum and all these alternative parties.
You can't let people vote.
They might vote you out, you know?
We can't let that happen.
Yeah, but just that the government has the ability to just say, oh, well, let's just postpone.
First, they post, I found out in February 25.
So last February, they postponed already some local elections until May 26th.
And now they just came out and said, well, it's not going to be May 26.
We're going to do it May 28.
May 28th.
Big difference.
Big difference because, you know, Trump's term is coming to an end.
So they are hoping that they can push all this counter movement out to the end of Trump's term.
They're obviously postponing because they know how they would turn out if they were held on schedule and they're not happy about it.
I mean, yeah, exactly.
Yes.
Yeah.
And it's the same thing in Germany.
They have the RFD, which is called the Alternative für Deutschland.
So it's the alternative for Germany.
So that's, you know, very, very catchy, short, you know, in the English call it the Reform Party.
And in Germany, it's the Alternative für Deutschland.
Yeah, the AFD.
But the AFD people were being hounded by domestic intelligence.
And they, domestic intelligence in Germany, their best avenue to really hound somebody is to stamp them as neo-Nazis.
Then they have all the powers in the arsenal.
So that's what they did.
And the Fafassungschutz was going after these people claiming all sorts of nonsense.
And really, all they wanted is to make Germany safe again.
So, yeah, I can just see the intelligence agencies shit mixing in every country.
Well, that started with the Bush, Cheney, Hayden, and Tennett, and just metastasized around the world and just is getting worse down this slippery slope all over the world to totalitarian states.
I mean, it was easy to see this coming.
At least for me.
I mean, the Soviet Union and the East Germans and the Warsaw Pact.
And I, I mean, it was clear what they did.
I mean, there's nothing wasn't hard to see or understand.
And yet today, Russia is more free than America.
Well, they have their problems too.
You don't want to oppose Putin, you know.
So, I mean, they're not quite free either, but let's say they are, I think, I think they're starting to tolerate more opposition than we in free speech.
I mean, but as far as private people are concerned, I'm just reminded of our friend Susie Dawson.
She started being hounded by the Five Eyes in New Zealand and New Zealand, Australia.
I think New Zealand.
New Zealand.
And she fled to Russia.
And she says life quality in Russia is ridiculously high.
Healthcare is excellent.
You have home visits from a doctor who actually still knows this stuff.
He actually studied medicine properly the old school way and knows about science and isn't fooled by propaganda.
And the streets are very clean, super safe.
She says, as a woman in New Zealand, she was always being accosted when she was outside by herself after 10 p.m.
And she says in Moscow, she has absolutely no issues walking around anywhere after dark.
That's kind of what I remember from Eastern Europe, too.
You know, it's all the governments were sucked in.
Sorry, all the criminals were sucked into government and the police.
So there were no criminals left on the street.
It was very, very safe.
But yeah, I think people underestimate just that your life quality depends on so many more factors.
And, you know, healthcare, how good are the schools?
How safe are you, you know, shopping outside?
So I don't know.
You know, I think that because my whole focus is the intelligence agencies and the military with communism and with what's happening now in the UK and Western Europe with the mass immigration, the EU, and here in the US, what people forget is that what all these destructive forces have in common is that they were driven by the intelligence agencies and the secret societies.
That's the one thing that's coming to all.
The Freemasons were involved in setting up capitalism.
That's why the symbolism is exactly identical to the one used here in the US.
And it is the secret, the secret services, so the intelligence agencies that are driving these pernicious trends because they have the tool kit to break up any sort of counter movement.
And they have the weapons and the way to manipulate the police.
So Trump's biggest problem is still the deep state.
And he now has to get on to fighting that, right?
Get agreement?
They need Bill to do the job properly and stop buying into the CIA's palantir fake-ass bullshit.
Why hasn't Trump moved more decisively against the deep state?
I thought his Schedule F was a brilliant idea.
I mean, why is he hamstrong?
I think he was just too busy.
I mean, if you look at his daily schedule and how his advisors keep him busy with let's do this in the Kennedy Center and let's do that.
Now they want him to campaign for the midterms and go on to these rally style of things, which is all fine and well, but he has to sit down and really look at the people who he put in place.
So at the moment, Trump is like a high-performance CEO who has hired the wrong people.
He can't delegate because these morons and these criminals will fuck things up for him.
So he can go and campaign and go and rally events and travel the country again like he did when he was, you know, before the election, only if, only if there's somebody qualified running the DOJ and the FBI and the Pentagon.
He doesn't have these people.
So it's just a thin veneer where they haven't assassinated him yet.
Let's have a look at October 16th, the sniper's nest being found.
October 17th, he would have had his head blown off, stepping out of Air Force One, had the Secret Service not found the sniper's nest.
That was just a few weeks ago.
Nobody's talking about that anymore.
So there's this thin veneer of everything is fine.
But under that thin veneer, what's happening is that the intelligence agencies and the military have still not been culled from deep state swamp creatures.
They continue to plan to assassinate him.
And he's not making any progress on the domestic issues.
I talk too much.
It's just so careful.
The conversation between the two, the three has just been fabulous.
Fabulous.
Yeah.
But I think that's the to-do list.
So, if anybody can get a message to Trump, he has to realize that if he goes along with Palantir, he goes along with the CIA, who is doing the very drug trafficking that he's trying to stop.
He can't.
A lot of concerns about Trump's health.
He's talking about all these cognitive exams he's taking, but they're only giving him cognitive exams to make sure he's not losing his confidence.
So, I'm concerned.
The heavy ankles, all that.
What's your assessment, Catherine?
Is the guy healthy?
Is he going to make it to the end of the term?
Many think not.
I think Trump is as healthy as it gets.
The one worry, which is why I wanted to talk to the Secret Service, is directed energy weapons.
Swollen limbs are a staple harassment method that they use on the targeted individuals.
In fact, they used it on me.
So, I had to build a metal bunker to be able to sit and work.
I had a metal garden shed erected in my office in Zurich.
And even through the metal wall, they beamed my legs.
So, I was feeling fine.
And suddenly, I looked down and one of my ankles was really swollen to an elephant leg.
But there was a fight, like a, what's it called?
Like a clear line where it was not swollen and a clear line below which it was massively swollen.
It looked totally unnatural.
So, I looked down and I thought, oh, no, I need to get the hell out of the beam line.
Now, this is behind the metal wall.
Classical electromagnetic waves cannot penetrate, but I think these new Tesla waves can.
And I had to get up, get out of that area, be in other parts of my home.
And then the swelling went down just as quickly as it came.
So, if they are beaming him with directed energy weapons, you can expect swollen limbs.
They can target a particular part of your body, and the beam can keep tracking you with that beam.
So, you have to do specific tests where he's in a shielded environment.
Does that go away?
Only then can you be sure it's genuine?
So, Tesla beam experiment.
Sorry?
Could you be the target, the subject of a new experiment using these Tesla devices?
I don't think it's even an experiment anymore.
These pulse engineer projectiles, the waveforms that cracked the window pane, that shot two holes into metal shielding without punching a hole into the ceiling and the roof.
Those are these novel waveforms.
The military already knows how to use them.
There's no more testing.
This is now deployment, fully just deployment.
And behind the scenes, there are hundreds of thousands of Americans being targeted with these weapons.
So, there's enough testing, and it's been going on for decades.
So, it's not testing anymore, it's deployment.
They are practicing.
I think they are behind the scenes building up people.
They are training them in the use of these weapons, and they use people like us for target practice.
But the ultimate goal of these weapons are people in Trump's administration, his family members, and him.
That's what I was trying to tell him back in September 24.
That's what I tried to tell him in December 24 when I did the trip down to Mar-a-Lago to hand in evidence to the Secret Service, and I got blocked.
And that's what we were trying to tell the Secret Service on April 7th, May the 1st, and July 14th, the three times we were in the Secret Service headquarters in the lobby, trying to begging to hand over evidence, but they don't take papers and they don't take thumb drives.
And there's a lot more stuff that I can say that I really don't want to say here because it would put people into danger.
But the truth is, the military and the intelligence agencies have these weapons deployed in cars all over DC.
I was targeted in DC.
Will use them with, you know, at the drop of a hat and and to find these weapons one has to use the methods that Bill knows about and cannot use the the, the shit show they've been using now and then Palantir most definitely will not find these weapons for them where they are cruising around uh Dc, because Palantir was built by the people who own those weapons.
So if they won't take paper and they won't take thumb drives I understand thumb drives they fear that it's gonna yeah, but even then get a 200, how are they gonna get the information personally?
But that's why they block you.
They won't let you talk to them, even yeah, that that's that's, literally that's what i'm up to.
I was just standing there, you know, listening to Special Agency I don't want to embarrass him who literally didn't know anything about anything.
And uh, you know, I call this basically death by weaponized moron.
When an organization doesn't give you anybody qualified to talk to, but they they, they use their, you know, gen Z minions who are so junior, they barely know how the organization works, let alone be able to run sophisticated investigations.
So they kind of fob you off with the lowest level staff and uh, that way you guarantee that no qualified person ever gets your information and oh, you know, heaven forbid, start thinking on their own terms, right?
But also they humiliate you by saying, hey, you are so low level, you know we, we don't have time.
And I think how, how do you not have time to listen to the guy who built the NSA uh architecture that they're using now?
How do you not have any time to listen to, as far as I know, the only person uh, who's investigated this internationally yeah, you know, who definitely has nothing to do with these people, because i'm a victim.
See, they can't, they can't talk to me because I, I keep pointing out uh, all the criminality they've been performing.
Yes yeah, so they, they can't do that, you know.
That's why I couldn't testify in Congress.
That's why I couldn't testify in courts you know any number of courts, up to the Supreme Court, by the way because then they could not claim plausible deniability and they would have to admit that they've been violating their oath of office with regularity and frequency.
Yes, that's why they can't talk to me.
But hang on, you do not.
As far as I know, you don't have any dirt on the Secret Service.
Not on the Secret Service.
No, they could talk to you.
In fact, you were trying to talk to them to help them keep the president safe.
Yeah well yeah, so it.
Well, I should say that every time I overnighted a letter, which was god what, how many times now three, four times four five, six times, I think six times, I sent a letter to you know, Sean Curran, I think by now, and you know a couple of times.
To Trump, every time I overnight a letter to Secret Service director Sean Curran, the tracking code ups and Fedex both showed that these letters were being diverted to places like Chantilly Tilly in Virginia, where the CIA University is located, and it would be held up there for days.
So my letters were held up for days.
So that's direct proof that the intel agencies read the letters first.
And I, to this day, I have no idea if we ever got through to Secret Service Director Sean Curran or not.
Never got a reply.
You know, a standard reply saying thank you, but no, thank you, bye, would be enough.
But there's deafening silence, which kind of I still hold out hope that he never got the letters.
And they are desperate to keep the information from Tulsi Gabbett, from Trump, and from Curran, because if these people knew what was possible and how much they're being bullshitted by criminals who are planning to kill them all, right?
Then they would actually snap into action.
That's my hope.
But hey, you know, as they say, hope dies last.
Well, just like Obama, you know, he came in with hope and changed, but we are left with hope.
And small change.
Well, the two of you represent great hope for the future of America.
If only we can find the right people to listen and act on what you have to tell them.
I'm so grateful for these opportunities for us to have these conversations.
Fascinating tonight.
Just fascinating.
Oh, Jim, before you forget, you should plug your conference this weekend.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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I can't remember.
You are my capstone speaker, Catherine.
I was about to say.
We're going to be keeping you up late on Sunday night.
Brazil.
I was about to say, by the time everybody is knackered and utterly frazzled, my speech will be Sunday night.
I think the last one.
But I just wanted to announce that it's maybe, you know, people will wake up because I will be talking about the assassination attempts against me as I'm trying to do the work and get through to the Trump admin.
It's called How Not to Die Trying.
Yes, excellent.
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