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Nov. 20, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (19 November 2025): Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE!
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Welcome to another special report with Catherine Orton, Bill Binney under fire.
Bill's recuperating as the last week was Catherine, so it's an ongoing process.
But I'm delighted, just as it was wonderful to have Bill to myself last week, I have Catherine to myself this.
I'm simply delighted.
And Catherine, with all of the Epstein events taking place.
And I do believe I'm getting reports that Donald Trump and the Speaker of the House, Johnson, are really upset that the Senate didn't make an issue that they didn't want to make some revision to drag it out longer and longer.
And now there appear to be three options that Trump has 10 days.
He can sign it, or he can veto.
Or if Congress is not in session, if he does nothing, then it dies.
I think he'd love for it to die, but I mean, I don't think he can get away with it.
Your thoughts about any of the above?
I mean, I think it's wonderful that it got this far.
And, you know, if Trump truly has nothing to hide, then he ought to be able to just sign it.
It's veto proof.
I mean, it went through unanimously in the Senate with 435 members of the House.
Of course, 428 voted at the 427 to 1.
So, I mean, the idea of veto is absurd, and he won't do that.
It would just look too colossally stupid.
And while I think he'd like to kill the whole thing, I think his options are very constrained.
Your thoughts?
Do you think he wants to kill the whole thing?
Because I was blown away that last week he triggered the nuclear option on the Epstein files, because I think what's happening is that there's the whole reason why people thought that Trump is reticent about the Epstein files is what I can see more and more is that his immediate advisors are manipulating him and are feeding him stuff, information that distorts reality.
And I think Trump was given the impression that the entire drive towards the Epstein files is to increment him.
But when I looked at the actual, you know, the way the victims were promoting it, their lawyers said Trump had nothing to do with any of this.
They reiterated it several times.
So I think Trump's advisors told him that this is a Democrat ploy to implicate him again.
You know, like a rehash of the Russia gate and the E. Gene Carroll bullshit.
And it's very credible for Trump.
But the way I read everything that was in the public domain, it was like, no, we really just want to have the pedophiles, right?
And I think Trump's reluctance came from that.
And I genuinely think he has advisors who are working really hard to sabotage him without being seen that they sabotage him.
So they nudge him at, you know, at key points to do something that's counter to his own interests.
But anyway, that aside, I am convinced Trump is going to sign it.
I'm also convinced that it's actually Trump is 100% behind all this because let's remember he was the very first informant.
When the Florida AG started the investigation into Epstein, it was Trump, the first guy who called him up and said, I've got information on him.
So he evicted or whatever, not evicted, but barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after it became clear that he was poaching his own employees.
By the way, the employees who were 16, legally allowed to work and were working in the spa Mar-a-Lago said that while they were at Mar-a-Lago, there was nothing dodgy ever.
The dodgy stuff started when they got poached by Epstein.
So I don't think that Trump has anything to do with the sleazy stuff.
And what really kind of blew my mind, and I thought it's amazing, is that last week, he, I have to find the truth because it's phenomenal, because he said he's ordering an investigation into Larry Summers, some other guy that I don't know who he is, but also Chase, as in Chase Bank, and JP Morgan.
Do you know how big that is?
Because Chase and JP Morgan, they are right in the bowels of the beast.
They are the beast.
They are part of what's called the network of global corporate control.
They are right up there.
And by Trump ordering an investigation into them, of course they were involved.
Like the whole pedophile control files are deeply tied to all these mega banks.
There was a Belgian whistleblower who came forward.
He was a banker and he blew the whistle on how to advance through the ranks of banking beyond a certain point.
You have to go to these child parties, like, you know, child rape parties.
You have to let them film compromise or get some compromise on you.
Otherwise, you will not get promoted.
And when he went public with that, I have to look up his name, but he was tortured.
They were trying to destroy him.
And so, yes, banking is deeply involved in all this.
But for Trump to actually name JP Morgan and Chase, he basically just aimed a nuke right at the top of the pyramid.
I mean, not the top, top, top, but the visible top of the pyramid.
It was amazing.
I mean, to say something like that puts his own life into massive danger, not least because the banks are printing money and they can hire and pay for any hitman.
They can pay for all the hitmen in the world, you know, if they wanted to.
So I thought it was amazing.
I think it's now consolidated, and it's J.P. Morgan Chase.
I think it's now one humongous financial institution.
There's some who think there's a clause in this new law, assuming he signs it, that says they can exempt stuff for ongoing investigations.
There's some who think, therefore, that this bank thing is going to be used as a dodge to say they're going to be investigating the banks and therefore there's a whole lot of documents they cannot release.
What would be your thought?
That's possible.
But the thing is, if the whole thing were just a dodge, he could have claimed a lot.
So he could have aimed at a lot lower hanging fruit, if you know what I mean.
He could have named anybody.
They know who they, if Bondi said the truth first time around when she said that they had thousands of videos.
Well, pick any low-hanging schmuck who you don't mind taking out the cartel.
You know, it's basically a, what's it called?
A deniable asset.
He could have named some people, you know, that are kind of known, but nobody really cares.
But instead, he went for Chase and JP Morgan.
It's, I mean, these people own countries.
They are, they are above individual presidents as a structure.
And the people who run those banks, they are deeply involved.
I mean, I thought it just really opened a can of worms.
And what I could see, the time of day when it was posted and the kind of tone, I think Trump really had it, became angry and was like, screw this.
Let's take them out.
I think he's at its best when he's really pissed off.
That was phenomenal.
I was cheering when I saw that, saw that truth.
No, I love hearing you talk about it.
I would like to believe everything you believe.
Really?
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
Let me actually, for those viewers of you who don't know, of yours, who don't know what the hell I'm talking about, let me just bring up something.
Okay.
So let me show them something and I will back up everything that I just said.
Okay.
So could you allow me to share my screen here?
I'm just shining it up.
Yeah.
Because I want people to understand the gravity of this.
Okay.
And let's see.
Okay.
Let's see if on the quick I can find the Trump JP Morgan post because this for a US president, just like when Trump exposed the fake news, you know, we take it for granted that he just takes down everybody, right?
But actually, for a U.S. president to go up against these people, I mean, first of all, it's near suicidal for the average person, but to actually, you know, do it, it's mind-blowing.
And we shouldn't just, you know, gloss over that.
Hang on, where's his he posted so much?
Let me just find this.
The Trump.
The problem is the search on true social is absolutely appalling.
So let me see, JP Morgan.
Can I?
Yes.
Here we go.
Yes.
Here we go.
All righty.
All righty.
So let me share my screen just so that people take this in.
All right.
Let's just go through this because this is good.
I'm confident that this is really amazing.
Okay.
So Trump said on November 14th, five days ago at the time of this recording, now that the Democrats are using the Epstein hoax involving Democrats, not Republicans, to try and deflect from their disastrous shutdown and all of their other failures, I'll be asking AG Pambondi and the Department of Justice, together with our great patriots at the FBI, to investigate Jeffrey Epstein's involvement and relationship with Bill Clinton, a former president.
Well, we all know it, but for a president to really take the sledgehammer to a former president, right?
Up until now, presidents always covered up for other presidents.
This goes back to pardoning Nixon, as Bill will point out, right?
Everything went to hell when Nixon got pardoned.
Well, these presidents always pardoned the previous presidents because they were all cartel members and they all had to basically keep the scam going.
But Trump takes a sledgehammer to Bill Clinton.
Larry Summers.
Larry Summers was kind of paraded as one of the good guys up until very recently.
He's a Harvard professor.
Reed Hoffman.
Catherine, he was a president of Harvard.
Oh, sorry.
Yes, he was.
Oh, yes, I remember because he gave me a treasury.
Yes, that's right.
Thank you for bringing it up.
I remember that when he became president of Harvard, there was a big uproar because he gave a speech and he said that women could never Be as good as men in academia because for that you have to work 80 to 90 hours per week.
Yeah, I know, but basically, I, you know, I was sitting there at somebody read this out to me at St. John's College, right?
I was a fellow at the time, I think.
Oh, anyway, this quote was floated.
Like, what do you think of that, Catherine?
And I said, 80 to 90 hours, I didn't realize they had part-time jobs at Harvard, right?
Every fucking waking second.
So I was like, who is this guy?
Right.
But anyway, so, um, but Larry Summers, wow, right?
Reed Hoffman.
I don't know who Reed Hoffman is.
He's another big guy.
I'm recalling.
Another big cheese.
Okay, whoever.
Then JP Morgan and Chase, right?
And many other people, institutions, to determine what was going on with them and him.
This is another Russia, Russia, Russia scam with all arrows pointing to the Democrats.
Records show that these men and many others spent large portions of their life with Epstein and on his island.
Stay tuned.
Okay.
Wow.
Now, the reason why, out of all these, right, Bill Clinton is the president, but in the Illuminati Freemason, Vatican Crown Corporation hierarchy, Bill Clinton is a nobody.
He came from nothing.
He will recede back to nothing.
The people who really run shit are ultimately the big black nobility families that were trillionaires before trillionaires were invented, right?
They supplied the Pope, they owned all the shit in Venice, all the shit throughout history.
Those are at the very, very top.
But their front organizations are these mega corporations.
Out of these mega corporations, the biggest are the ones that are international.
Now, back in 2011, a group of Swiss systems analysts, I'm going to show you something.
A group of Swiss systems analysts brought out a paper that you can find by going to archive with an X, A R X I V.org, archive.org, by typing in network of global corporate control, right?
If you search, hang on, let me trigger the search here.
Here we go.
You scroll down, there have been updates since then.
But if you go to the original 2011 paper, the network of global corporate control, you get to, hang on, you get to this paper here.
And this is by a group of systems analysts at ETH Zurich, so very highly regarded technical university in Zurich, Switzerland.
And these scientists, what they did is they mapped 40,000 of the largest international corporations.
And by looking, first of all, they looked at share structures, but you can't really see anything because share ownership is under antitrust regulation.
But when you map control, who controls these companies, they found that there were many companies with interlocking control structures because executive and non-executive directors would sit on other boards.
They would still have a say.
If you map the global economy in terms of control structures using modern tools and computing tools, you can map the structure of the global cabal.
And by mapping these 40,000 companies represented by these little dots down here, what they found is that the ultimate structure of the global economy is basically this.
These are the, so at the very heart of everything is a super entity.
I think they have a diagram where they show it.
Yes.
So this is the ownership structure with the ring structure and the super entity.
And when you look at the super entity, who owns what, you find all these banks, JP Morgan Chase and Co., right?
It's right here.
I think JPMorgan Chase split up again into JPMorgan and Chase.
So who cares, right?
But you find all the big banks, JP Morgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Commerzbunk, right?
Germany, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank.
Barclays, UBS is Union Bank Switzerland.
Lehmann Brothers doesn't exist anymore, but got absorbed into the others.
And then you have insurance companies like AXA.
And I think Prudential Financial, some other insurance companies are buried in here.
So the big banks and the big insurance companies are all tied in this mega ring, a ring.
The ring is actually a cabal symbol that is very old because the cabal is always organizing it in a big circle jerk, basically, where everybody holds the control files on everybody else so that it's one integral structure.
So this is the ring that controls it all, right?
Footnote, if those fans of Lord of the Rings know that the ring had to be thrown into whatever, right?
Into this big volcano to destroy the ring.
Well, the guy, Tolkien, who wrote Lord of the Rings, was an MI6 officer.
He was British foreign intelligence.
The whole thing is an allegory about destroying this ring at the heart of the global cabal, this pernicious ring, hence all this like warring of little hobbits in the shires, which looks like Oxfordshire, right?
Against all these like, you know, monsters and creatures and wizards and whatnot.
The whole thing is a big allegory against destroying the global, this, this cartel at the heart of the world, right?
But when you map it in terms of companies, this is the cartel.
This is the best image, the best ultrasound image we have of this beast, right?
X-ray image.
And these are the people at the top.
So by Trump aiming at these guys here, JP Morgan Chase, this note, he goes right at the top.
Frankly, he could have named anybody else in this list.
I guarantee they are all involved in child trafficking, every last bloody one of them, including Bank of America, including Commerce Bank and Credit Suisse, all of them, all of them, because that is just how the cabal works.
So when I read this, that Trump triggered the nuclear option and went right for one of the top people.
Oh my God.
I mean, first of all, the Secret Service will have to work overtime to protect this guy going forward.
But also, this is just so mind-blowing for a U.S. president to do.
I mean, this is the best evidence, including the tariffs and all that, that the United States is on its way to finally become truly independent from this cabal.
It's mind-blowing.
It's like a huge quantum leap, you know?
That's how I look at it.
That's fascinating, Catherine.
Absolutely fascinating.
And you even think that tariffs were a good idea because there's so much resistance.
Oh, my God, by idiots who don't understand the economy.
Look, tariffs were the norm.
Tariffs were the norm before the British crown decided to fuck America as hard as it can.
And by removing the tariffs, I mean, you know, not just tariffs, all these international trade deals, you know, NAFTA and GATTA, that's how America got utterly shafted because you not just remove the firewall that's protecting your economy, you also remove it from the gold standard.
You have these like floating currencies, and then you have currency speculation that all these big banks can suddenly start playing with, right?
That was the thing, because you can suddenly have currency arbitrage and whatnot.
And at every move, they are making more money than the people who are on the real economy.
So, you know, but back in the day, tariffs were the norm.
I mean, Trump even points out that, you know, the wealth of the U.S. came from the tariffs of having this huge market and everybody wanting to, you know, supply goods to it.
So everything that Trump himself did since January, I'm blown away by the deals he made.
Okay, apart from the one on AI, he's appalling on, or his advisors rather appalling on science.
But anything that Trump knows about the economy, making deals, businesses, capitalism, it's amazing.
And look at how many trillions his tariffs are bringing in already.
And this is a lifesaver because behind all this, the U.S. has to be cycled out of this country debt scam.
At the heart of it, it's a scam.
All this interest that you're charging people.
It's nonsense.
So part of the country debt goes really to people, individuals, pension funds, where they have to make a certain return.
But this lion's share is a scam that you pay back to this big banking cartel that I just showed you, right?
They are at the very heart of the beast.
So with this income from tariffs, he can finally pay back the debt and cycle the US out of this because the interest payments have been bleeding this country dry.
That's why the infrastructure is so backward here, even compared to Europe.
It's this country has been utterly bled dry.
So, and look at the prices.
I mean, the tariffs have been on.
I didn't notice any, you know, skyrocketing prices, have you?
Well, I'm not doing a lot of the shampoo, but me neither.
But I mean, out of that, everything was just like, you know, everything is pretty much the same as before.
But for the US as a country, trillions are coming in.
And we just don't see it because they don't hit us.
They hit the government.
They hit the government coffers.
But ultimately, there will be a trickle-down effect on all this.
So that's mind-blowing.
My big issues are everything where Trump is not involved and is not watching, which is AG Pam Bondi, totally underperforming, Kash Patel, not just underperforming, but an actual cartel signaling Freemasonic joke of a guy, right?
The FBI is totally ludicrous.
And then there are some other problem issues, but Trump is like the workhorse, I think.
You ought to be as director of communications, Kev.
I swear too much.
I think Caroline Lee, this is lovely.
Yes, just fascinating.
So do you think the Epstein thing is going to?
I think so.
And if the other thing is that everybody is blaming Trump for everything, but if he wants to run the country, not as a dictatorship, he has to pass on all the investigation to the FBI and to the attorney general who was sitting on this for, I don't know how long.
She hasn't arrested a soul.
You know, that's the real problem.
I mean, Trump can't just go and arrest people.
You know, he would have to use like really near dictatorial powers to do that.
So the real bottleneck is Pam Bondi and her utterly total joke of a DOJ.
I think that Judge Janine, as the, she is the attorney general for the District of Columbia.
I think she has kicked more ass than Pam Bondi has with her bigger department.
You know, I really think so.
So either get rid of Pam Bondi and put Judge Janine in charge of everything, or, you know, say Judge Janine is already at her capacity.
She doesn't want to take on the world, then get a real mean motherfucker in for the DOJ, like somebody who's really at the absolute top of their game, knows all the dirty tricks that the courts play and is out for blood.
And this person should just do arrest, arrest, arrest.
So really, I think Trump should, I was just thinking about this earlier.
Do you notice how the top people, if they are female, they all look like total sex bombs?
Like they are a clean 10 or at worst a nine.
They're all very good looking.
Now, I understand why a billionaire would have a tendency to do that.
But the thing is, in science, there are no attractive women.
None.
They're none at CERN.
Look at me, right?
It's like if you optimize looks, you're not going to optimize the brains.
The probability of being a 10 out of 10 in both categories is nil.
So by Trump optimizing that the AG is, you know, or the head of the DOJ is blonde and good looking, you get a totally underperforming department.
You need a mean old cunt like, I don't know, Madeline Albright, or, you know, some real bastard of an asshole to go in and just, you know, lay waste to these criminals.
And of course, DHS also has a bombshell of a head.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
And she's lovely, but also she has Tom Holman.
Right?
That's the thing.
If you want to have somebody pretty, then they, you know, they better have a bulldog somewhere in the background.
And Tom Holman, as Trump pointed out, he spoke of nothing but how he wanted to fix the border.
And then, you know, Trump just said, there you go, you know, have at it, do your worst.
And look at how well it's going.
That is actually delivering on the goals, I think.
Trump than anyone else I know, Catherine.
Frankly.
Look, I should emphasize I only defend Trump, okay?
Because Trump got, I genuinely think he got shot at, but you know, he, this guy, it's even if you allege that Butler was staged, which I don't believe, but you might, right?
Even then, it's undeniable that this guy doesn't sleep very many hours and works his ass off, right?
His trip to Asia, he comes back, does another thing.
He has like social events at Mar-a-Lago, even when he supposedly takes time off.
Even when he goes golfing, it's televised.
This guy is on record every second of every day, right?
But my question is: what the F is Kash Patel doing?
What the sweet F are they doing with 38,000 agents?
Right?
What's the DOJ doing?
What are they working on?
The Charlie Kirk investigation of that incident, whatever that was, was a total joke.
The FBI was called caught pathologically lying about everything, including the bullet.
You know, what do you do with something like that?
I mean, I don't understand how after they had all that lying about the Charlie Kirk incident, I cannot understand how Trump can even continue going forward with Kash Patel as the director, because after this, nobody's going to believe a word coming out of the FBI.
Nobody.
Yeah, he's ridiculous.
It's like a clown show with him in there.
And he looks like an idiot.
He not only acts, he looks like an idiot.
It's pathetic, very embarrassing.
Yeah.
I, you know, his obvious cartel signaling, the tongue-in-cheek gesture when he said, my friend Charlie Kirk, the CU and Valhalla brother comment, you know, and then all the bullshit about the shooting or whatever that was, you know, around Charlie Kirk.
Yes.
And it's, it's sickening.
And so my entire judgment of the last, whatever it was, 11 months, right, of the Trump administration is that Trump delivered or 10 months, delivered on everything.
Really, he just, I think he outdid it himself.
He's massively overworked, I think, although he's holding up really well.
But everybody else is in stark contrast to that.
I mean, if you just compare how people behave, how they comport themselves, how they speak, and what they've achieved, compare Tom Holman and Judge Janine to Pam Bondi and Kash Patel.
And the difference is like night and day.
You know, and really, for the DOJ and the FBI, we need people like Judge Janine and we need people like Tom Holman.
And the question is, who could possibly step into their jobs?
Frankly, as a first remedial action, I would sack Kash Patel and let Bongino move one up if he can take the load and just let him do his worst with the FBI.
Like really, you can't put a fist wrong with those idiots.
I would just cull the leadership five layers down as much as possible, dodge the absolute hell out of them.
And then I would also start investigating the targeted individuals' cases because every case that I've ever dealt with and bills in my own case, there are thousands of leads to people who are involved with the deep state and are conducting this torture torture experiment.
How about Jonathan Turley for AG?
Oh, I oh, yes, yes, yes.
He's the guy who's the commentator, right?
He's a constitution from GW, yeah.
Yes, he's making a lot of sense.
What about him?
And what about that guy that was Trump's lawyer in Georgia?
What's his name?
Sadao.
He was awesome.
He knew the law.
He didn't take any bullshit.
Really, the DOJ needs a hit team like that.
We need a legal A-team that can bust open all these criminal schemes that the deep state is going.
And really, I think they need more than just one, you know, head of DOJ.
More than one.
That's interesting.
Yeah, for example, if you, I'm not sure, maybe they have these departments already, but you can have a DOJ subhead of, I don't know, child trafficking.
There are deputy attorney generals, attorneys general.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And every single one of them should be somebody where you just look at their CV and you go, yeah, fuck yeah, we want that guy, you know.
But but Pam Bondi, can you name me one thing, one amazing thing that she did before she became Attorney General?
Yeah, me neither.
So really, what has she, I mean, first of all, who recommended her?
And second of all, I mean, I am a bitch, but I don't want to be too much of a bitch.
But what has she going for herself apart from being blonde and hot for her age?
Like, what is it?
Anybody has she like such encyclopedic legal knowledge?
Is she known for her amazing briefs?
Not underbriefs, but like legal briefs, right?
Like, what is it?
I couldn't tell you.
And I think Trump, given how hard he works, he deserves an amazing team where everything, it's like, it has to be like the Avengers, you know?
Every person has to be a superhero in their own field.
Now, how do you, this is fascinating about domestic policy.
How do you feel about his foreign policy, however?
I mean, he's been supporting the genocide.
He attacked Iran.
He's been supporting Ukraine.
I'm very unhappy about that.
Yep.
Yep.
So first of all, the easiest one to answer is Iran.
He busted a bunch of deep, you know, bunkers in Iran in a couple of hours.
So he attacked Iran.
But if you ask the Iranians in exile, they're all happy.
They're like, finally, why did you stop there?
Take out the motherfuckers, right?
Because it was a criminal regime.
And let's remember it's a CIA-run regime, right?
The CIA was shit mixing real heavily.
So if you guys want to see change in Iran or anywhere around the world, you have to first detach the deep state tentacles through the intelligence agencies, right?
Otherwise, you're just going to be playing whack-a-mole while your intelligence agencies are supporting all these people.
Now, that's Iran.
I think that, you know, the night raid bombing thing was awesome.
It got 10 out of 10 from all the Iranians I spoke with.
They were celebrating, right?
Nobody died.
You know, as many people died in that raid, as far as we know, as at Sandy Hook.
You know, everybody's fine.
So you destroyed a bunch of installations.
Well, great.
Right.
And then he shut up all these people who were trying to promote war with Iran by saying, oh, you know, Iran is, I don't know what, 45 minutes away from building a bomb like Iraq was 45 minutes away from deploying a weapon of mass destruction, right?
You shut down the bullshit factories.
Well done.
You know, great.
That's great.
So Iran, 10 out of 10.
Israel, oh my God, we're getting back to the thing that the entire, the entire US government is full with people with double citizenships, full with what I would consider Mossad and British intelligence double agents and spies and everything.
But also Israel is, I think David Eyck called it, so a guy, guy who is being called a conspiracy theorist in the UK, David Eyck, he called Israel the private fiefdom of the Rothschilds.
And I think that's correct.
I think the British gave the Rothschilds Israel as their private little playground, you know, in recognition for all their services to the Crown Corporation.
And as such, he's dealing with, you know, one of the top Illuminati families right up there who have the power to kill President Trump, his family, and destabilize the whole of the U.S.
So with them, you have to be a lot more diplomatic than you have to be with Iran.
You know, and I think he really pulled diplomacy as far as he could.
But even then, when he went to that helicopter one Friday afternoon and was asked about Israel and he said, well, these people have been, they have been warring at each other for so long, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
To have a US president say that is again mind-blowing.
I think that was when he was reaching the absolute limit of his patience.
You know, and I think since then he's been kind of quietly dialing back from the whole thing.
You know, he's not been going headlong into it.
Now, could there be more exposure?
Sure.
We could start talking about how the whole October 7th thing was a false flag operation, how the Israeli military helped it actively by calling off people who were on shift that day to patrol the border, by taking ludicrously long to deploy anything.
And somehow, all their fancy schmancy tech just didn't work to stop something quite so mundane.
It's bullshit.
And then, yes, of course, they used the false flag to conduct the most atrocious genocide.
Gosh, yes, that is an absolute nightmare.
So there's no excuses for that.
I just hope Trump gets really pissed off about it and just really lets them out there, leaves them out there to dry.
But then the question is, are the American patriots and is the American system ready for the blowback from the deep state if you do that?
Because if you go up against the Rothschilds, you go up against the Orsini black nobility family who can trigger world wars if they wanted to because they own all the shit.
So I don't know.
I think Trump's steering the best course he can, given the people he's dealing with in Israel.
And then regarding Ukraine, ah, God, that's again tied to NATO and British interests and all that shit.
I would have preferred if he pulled the funding plug on this a lot earlier and just gone nuclear and said, listen, you know.
But then again, can he do that?
Can he do that within the NATO obligations?
It's really tough to say.
I would always err on the side of, well, just fuck these guys.
They got into it.
Not my problem.
See how they cope.
I would literally personally, I would make a private deal with Putin and say, look, these are the boundaries.
Best of luck to do.
To you, I'm withdrawing funding on Wednesday.
And let's just all move on.
I'm on the air.
Could you call me?
So that's my view on Ukraine.
But I don't really know the intricacies of what he's faced with.
But then again, Trump is the only one who's genuinely trying to get to a final peace deal and an end to the war.
He has been just saying so many thousands of people are dying every week and the dying needs to stop.
By the way, he's the only one.
The Germans are not saying it.
The British are definitely not saying it.
Not even the French are saying it.
They all want the war to continue because each of them has a big fat arms industry that's supplying and is taking money hand over fist.
So out of all the people, Trump's again, the one who's supporting humanity and human life and is doing his best.
So if there's any criticism to be dished out, I would say directed at the Brits and the Germans with their weapons industry, Diel and Rheinmetal being, you know, right at the top.
So yeah, that's my view.
What do you think?
You could knock me over with a feather, Catherine.
I'm just blown away by your analysis.
Just fascinating.
Yeah, but you know, the other thing I also think is that Trump is doing the best he can under the circumstances, but what's what's really, really, really required is that better people surround him, much better people.
I think his scientific advisors are piss poor, piss poor.
I would sack the lot of them.
The people who talked him into this getting this mega, you know, Stargate AI to come here to the U.S., I think that's lunacy.
I think it's going to be used to basically run human experiments and DNA-targeted weapons testing on the Americans because they have access to all the DNA databases on Americans.
And I don't think Trump's aware of what the true project is behind all that.
So I think Trump is doing really well.
Instead of people turning on him, more highly qualified kick-ass patriots need to crowd around him and now help him to push to the next level.
Because what he started is amazing.
I think it's going really well after 10 months.
And as always, if you look at me skeptically, take a deep breath and just think about where would we be today if Kamala Harris had won.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
That was intolerable.
Yeah, that would have been a catastrophe.
Everyone would agree with that.
Yeah.
So, you know.
The opinions about Trump are so varied and so strong, Catherine.
Honestly, I'm just astonished by how well you argue for the success of what he's attempting to do.
Look, I spent, so I might be a particle physicist, but when I switched to studying complex human systems, I devoted the most of my time.
I started with the English legal system and I found this huge cabal cartel thing at the heart of it, which is tied to the Masons ultimately.
But the biggest line share of my time, I devoted to studying the economy, financial systems, and currency systems as a physicist.
And I can tell you that as far as I can tell, everything Trump has done is completely backed up by systems analysis.
That's exactly what he had to do.
Exactly.
You know, I can write down some equations about flow and currency flow and this and that or map out the cartel for you.
But he is basically undoing all the exploitation and enslavement that this cartel, this cabal that I was trying to show with the banks, that it has imposed on America because America to it is just a colony to be exploited.
You know, the actual banking system is an organism that is like a parasite that stretches the globe and not one continent is particularly important to it because it gets nutrients, right, and food from absolutely all areas.
So if a whole continent goes to hell, the banks don't care.
They can let the whole of Latin America go to hell and they have.
They have.
They can let the whole of the Middle East go to hell.
They don't care.
They can even let the whole of China go to hell and they would not care.
But Trump passionately cares about the US.
And he's trying to free the US from all these subtle means and what's it called?
Mechanisms of slavery imposed on it.
Now he can't get, he literally cannot put the dollar back on the gold standard overnight.
Why?
Because the gold is gone, guys.
Okay.
There is not enough gold in the United States right now to put the dollar on a gold standard, even if he wanted to.
Remember the announcement that he's going to inspect Fort Knox, right, where the gold reserves are.
And then suddenly those news just poofed into thin air.
And I think it's because somebody quietly told him, sir, there is no more gold at Fort Knox.
It's all already left the building and gone to China a long, long time ago.
Right.
So just for him to be able to visit Fort Knox and then having enough gold bars so that they can make it look like there is stuff, that will take many more months to just get enough gold there to just put on a show for the cameras, right?
So there are certain things he would want to do, but literally physically cannot right now.
And within the things that he can do, he has done them all.
He literally went through the whole thing.
He's undoing NAFTA and Gutta by getting the factories to come back, by getting all these deals, by getting hundreds of billions of investment from every one of these countries, having factories again, having jobs again.
And that's how the money from the whole world economy is going to be coming back and irrigating the little garden that's the United States.
Fantastic.
Tariffs, mind-blowing.
And look at the money it's bringing in, right?
And the reason why the average person doesn't see his progress is because the cabal still has stopgaps everywhere.
One of the biggest stopgaps is the Federal Fucking Reserve, which is a private for-profit company, a front organization, really, of the Bank of International Settlement in Switzerland, Basel, Switzerland.
Now, the Federal Reserve is a total scam.
Most people know that by now, right?
And Trump has no real power over it.
He might be able to sack the director or that little goofball that did the construction tour with him, whatever his name is.
He's so forgettable.
But even doing that would just, you know, topple the apple cart.
So he's very cautious, even though I think just today or yesterday, he said he really wants to fire this little gnome's ass, right, for completely mismanaging everything.
Jerome Powell.
Yeah, Jerome Powell.
That's it.
Jerome Powell.
That's it.
That's it.
Right.
Two seconds later, we'll have forgotten again.
But that little guy, right?
So why are they not lowering the interest rates?
Like what physical mechanism is holding the interest rates high?
And people pretend like the interest rates are, I don't know what, a law of physics or a law of nature that needs to be upheld.
Like, fuck no.
The interest rates are chosen by the banking crime cartel.
And it's the rate at which they want to fuck the Americans.
It's the asset stripping rate.
It's the rate that's the base rate for all the other mortgages, car loans, everything, all the loans that the banks are giving out.
And the cartel can just sit there over a cigar and a glass of brandy and go, how much do we want to screw the Americans this year?
How much do we want to fuck the American colony?
How much money do we want to suck out of our American colony this year?
And that's how they're looking at it.
They're looking at the U.S. from the point of view of Basel, right?
The global cartel holders, as, okay, how much do we want to extract out of this farm this year?
And right now, it's in their interest to suck as much out as they can for two reasons.
Number one, to screw Trump and make him look bad, because if the interest rates drop down, suddenly mortgage rates would be whatever, 2.75% again.
There would be a housing boom.
There would be like a boom in construction and house buying and young families could finally move in.
Would not have their money, you know, basically drained off for interests and stuff like that.
So they can't do that because it will make Trump look amazing.
And, you know, the well, the other reason is a bit more complex.
But I just thought of a really simple way of explaining the second point and then it escaped me again.
Anyway, it will come back to me.
But basically, this whole thing about the interest rates, it's just entirely artificial, you know?
And ultimately, it's just like you can't make Trump look too successful because then it will become, it will come into stark focus that all these decades, it was a scam all along.
And America could have made as much money as they're making this year all the past decades.
Just think about how much the interest on interest would have been on all that wealth.
Right?
Like by now, all your power lines would be underground, like in every civilized country.
You would have parks, swimming pools everywhere, like you used to, public swimming pools.
Maybe you might even stretch to sidewalks everywhere.
Who knows?
Right.
But you would have all this infrastructure, all this money.
And you would realize, hang on, why the hell have we been just, you know, suffering all this time?
Because remember, up until now, you were all told this is the only way it can be, you know.
Not having a single factory in the country and so on.
Hasn't the government for 30 years or more been devoting massive sums to underground cities so it could escape a nuclear Holocaust?
I mean, they have built some, yes, yes.
I think all around the world, there are these like super mega military bases.
They are bigger than bases.
They are kind of underground towns.
Yes.
I think that's true.
I think so.
But there's also only so much you can do underground.
You know, at the end of the day, building underground is just a more expensive way of building above ground.
Yes, what they have been doing as far as I have managed to ascertain is that they put horrific human experiments on the ground.
They had underground breeding programs where they're basically just breeding a parallel population.
They can experiment and enslave really Nazi style horrifically that the rest of the world doesn't know about because they don't have birth certificates or any sort of ties to above ground.
And one quick way of monitoring for this is to just see any sort of supplies of food or trucks going underground.
There's a certain inflow of everything that you would need for everyday life going underground.
And yes, there's indication of that.
I think one guy filmed a trucker just going into this mega tunnel that's leading to one of these underground cities and they're just trucks, you know, bringing in agricultural produce, everything you would need for life.
That's not being exposed yet either, right?
But that would actually be the job of the FBI to expose because it's horrific crime.
That's not Trump's job.
That's the FBI's.
It will not get exposed as long as Kash Patel is doing the CU and Valhalla bullshit, you know.
And his wife seems to be an Israeli honeypot who's controlling him anyway.
I mean, it is hot as fuck, which is suspicious.
I'm joking.
I'm joking.
I mean, I sent a tweet about that.
No, I don't know if she's an Israeli spy.
Frankly, I personally think with this whole Masonic cartel signaling, all the Masons are crown agents.
So Kash Patel might as well be a British agent, British, you know, MI6 agent.
Doesn't matter.
It's all the same club.
He for sure is an agent.
Does this agent need a honeypot by his side?
I have no idea.
Maybe to keep him in his lane, you know?
No idea.
I think he himself is already bad enough.
But I think you might be right.
They might want to put somebody next to him so that the Rothschilds keep a tab on him too.
So it would make sense.
There's a fellow named Michael McKibben who very much believes the Pilgrim Society wants to control the United States on behalf of the Crown.
Yep.
Are you inclined to go with that?
Yep, that's correct.
And the way to think about it, so I was trying to really, you know, follow the funnel up to the very top.
And the look, the, what's it called?
The CFR, the Council on Foreign Relations, their sister organization, the what's it called, the Royal Institute for International Affairs.
They are all the trilateral commission.
They are all in this mixing, the Fabian Society, the Pilgrim Society.
They are all fronts for the same corporation, the same mega monopoly corporation.
If you follow all of these, the Freemasons, the Skull and Bones, which is a derivative of Freemasons, if you follow them all up and you follow them through the century, through the past centuries, the recurring symbolism that unifies them all, the Masons and everybody else, it is 3-3, Masonic 33 and CC.
So 3 is the third, the number 3 stands for the third letter of the alphabet, C.
So the acronym that keeps popping up everywhere in French chateaus of the 17th century and, you know, in various cartel signaling and even the assassination attempts on Trump and Butler, 33 and CC features everywhere.
What does CC stand for?
In my research, it stands for the Crown Corporation, or rather in Latin, Corporatio Corona.
That is the big old entity that owns all this shit.
It owns the Bank of International Settlements, the Pilgrim Society, the Fabian Society, the Whatnot Society, the RAND Corporation, the CIA, MI6.
All this shit is their stuff.
So when we look at these organizations, that's what all their money bought.
This is the control that they bought, right?
They own all this.
And, you know, you can use their symbolism to trace back their development throughout, you know, centuries.
You can go to the National Portrait Gallery like I did and see the symbolism right in the paintings from previous centuries.
And how are the Crown Corporation, Mossad, and Rothschilds related?
Okay, so the way to look at it is the Crown Corporation is at the very top.
It's the company that they are all part of.
It really is a corporation, a company, if you like, right?
Corporation, corporation is not just like a company.
It's usually in commerce, right?
It's like selling stuff.
A corporation can be anything.
It's like a dead entity that owns stuff, you know, right?
It could be many, many other structures as well.
So the Crown Corporation is the overarching ancient company founded under canon law that holds all the loot of the Vatican, all the shit that the Catholic Church owns, which is all the land, all the property, all the church grounds, all the churches, the art, blah,
And from all that wealth, and by the way, the church tithe that these fuckers have been collecting for centuries, the money got, you know, basically bought up other legitimate companies and so on and so on.
Now, the intelligence agencies you asked about, MI6 and Mossad, they are fronts.
They are ostensibly government organizations, but really they are owned wholesale and at the very top, entirely populated by their people, by their agents.
So that's the intelligence agencies.
They are, if you like, the visible fronts of the Crown Corporation.
Now, Mossad is just an intelligence agency.
The Rothschilds, from what I've heard, the Rothschilds are descendants of the Ossini family.
So there are 13 Illuminati bloodline families that have been traditionally supplying the Pope and the Black Pope, the head of the Jesuits, and blah, blah, blah.
But these are the ultimate old money, European old money.
They were so wealthy centuries ago that with interest on interest and compounded interests, they are trillionaires these days.
They make Elon Musk look like a teenage shithead with pocket money.
They are that rich, right?
So the Rothschilds, I think, are descendants from them.
They are kind of the asset managers traditionally of the Crown Corporation.
I think it was the Rothschilds that also advised the Vatican Bank and, you know, did all the shit fuckery with the Vatican Bank.
So when you think of it in terms of a company, they are just different people.
If you like, the Rothschilds are the family that are the shareholders of this company.
Mossad is just their front organization.
And then it trickles down.
And JP Morgan and Bank of America and this corporate super cartel that I showed you is kind of downstream from all of that.
It's the visible layer that we can see.
Beyond that layer, you get into just like trust funds, hidden assets, you know, various bank accounts and various shady structures through tax havens.
So it's the last visible layer.
And Trump basically shot a nuke at the last layer that's visible for us little, you know, mortals.
Catherine, this has been astonishing.
What a tutorial.
I'm sorry, this is the research of my last 10 years.
It'll take a month for this to for me to sort or absorb it.
It's just wonderful.
Just brilliant, really.
Absolutely brilliant.
I can't thank you enough.
You and Bill, in your different ways, have just impressed the hell out of me.
And I'm sure everyone else who sees these interviews really class.
I should also say that sometimes I just make a statement, but people need to realize I've been researching this pretty much full-time since 2011, 2012.
So I have over 10 years of research into this.
And it took me sometimes months or years to get a certain factoid that I'm just rattling down.
But for everything that I said, there's like, you know, in an evidentiary trail.
And this is the best executive summary I can come up with.
Well, let me just say, on behalf of my role as a real deal host, I think that you and Bill are the ultimate intellectual power couple.
I'm just blown away.
That's quite a compliment.
Thank you.
Catherine, I can't thank you enough, everyone.
See what I mean?
This is just sensational having the opportunity to have these interviews with Catherine Horton and Bill Benny under fire.
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