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	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Raw Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B, the 17th day of November 2025.
	Joined by my co-host, Joe Wolson, and my special feature guest, Laurent Venier, who's a French intellectual expert on JFK 9-11 and a host of other issues.
	We'll be taking a look at several in the wake of our early reports, namely Mexico, just a wash in riots.
	Some are suggesting it verges on a revolution.
	I have been to Mexico.
	This is a fantastic development.
	Here's a story posted on the 15th.
	Mexico is collapsing into a political revolution and the forcible overthrow of its president, who, of course, Scheinbaum is Jewish.
	Thousands are attacking the presidential palace in Mexico City.
	On November 3, I, and this is Hal Turner, reported that a metal wall was being urgently erected, urgently erected around the presidential palace.
	Well, we see this in Washington, D.C., of course, under somewhat, though not quite as dramatic circumstances, similar, but not quite as dramatic circumstances.
	Videos are all over social media, including the ferocious rioting and police response taking place.
	Crowd gathered this morning.
	Here's a bit of a video about it.
	Look at that.
	Seeking to overcome the barrier.
	Here's more about it.
	Rioting in Mexico.
	They're fed up with narco-president Shinebaum.
	Here's a report.
	for the variety.
	Not nice.
	Meanwhile, violent protests in Mexico.
	Example for the United States.
	Are you wearing seven layers and still freezing?
	A hundred of them police officers have been injured in clashes during anti-government protests in Mexico City.
	Thousands of demonstrators marched in the Mexican capital to protest against violent crime and the government of Claudia Scheinbaum.
	The president accused right-wing politicians of funding the marches.
	Our World News correspondent Joe Inward reports.
	They came to call for an end to corruption and violent crime and took their anger out on the presidential palace.
	Police with riot shields fought to hold them back and were met with stones.
	They fired tear gas in response, trying to disperse the crowds.
	The authorities say that the majority of those injured were police.
	Many of the protesters carried the black skull that has become the symbol of youth protests around the world, although there were said to be people of all ages here.
	This is one of the most corrupt governments we've ever had.
	A sold-out narco-government that, instead of defending the people, chooses to protect the corrupt and the cartels.
	We're going to fight until the end.
	We can't allow Mexico to become like Venezuela or Cuba, a dictatorship.
	Mexicans are fed up.
	That picture he was holding was of Carlos Manzo, the mayor of Uropan.
	He had called for tough action against Mexico's cartels and was assassinated as a result.
	Many were wearing the cowboy hat that has become his symbol.
	We are marching for the vile murder of Carlos Manzo because we want justice for him and for all those who have lost their lives and their property at the hands of criminals.
	It was not just Mexico City that saw protests.
	This was Guadalajara, where the state palace was not so well protected.
	Despite the unrest, Claudia Schoenbaum has high approval ratings and blame the protests on her right-wing opponents.
	No one would deny that Mexico has deep-rooted problems with violent cartels, but there seems no easy or peaceful solution.
	Joe Inward, BBC News.
	Cheers.
	If we're getting reports of high approval ratings under these circumstances, I have to assume the polls are bricked.
	Joe, your thoughts about these developments in Mexico and what are they present perhaps for the United States?
	Yeah, Alex Christopher made a good comment.
	He said there's 20 million people that live in Mexico City.
	The place is absolutely huge.
	And the fact that you get several thousand protesters is not really indicative of what the populace feels.
	Number one, number two, there's always been a big U.S. AID presence there.
	And there's always the Jewish element.
	Carlos Slim is one of the richest people in Mexico.
	And he's Jewish and he's grafting stuff.
	And he bought the bankrupt New York Times so he could continue using it as a mouthpiece for the Jewish mafia worldwide.
	So who knows what's really going on down there?
	You're not getting honest reporting from very many people.
	And at this point, I would just be skeptical.
	I'd love to see a nice, honest Democratic government take over in Mexico, but they've never had one.
	Joe, I'm looking at this photograph of the square there, right in the center of Mexico City.
	There might be 100,000 people there.
	I'm very concerned with your reporting, the skepticism.
	It looks all bona fide to me.
	Lauren, your thought about what's going on in Mexico.
	I have absolutely no idea, I must say.
	You know, I don't trust what I hear, so I have no, you know, capacity to judge.
	As Joe said, you know, you know, the pictures we see don't don't show any, don't show anything.
	In general, I would tend to be skeptical about youth such movement, you know, because in France, we've had the Gilet Jaune uprising, you know, but there's not much content in there.
	Sometimes it's just anger and, you know, and what possibly it could lead to, I have no idea.
	But basically, I don't know the situation, so I think both.
	Meanwhile, Germany has just uncovered an ugly truth about Ukraine.
	A major story.
	For three years, German investigators had quietly pursued the truth about it when history's greatest acts of sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline.
	No one in Europe wanted them to find what they have discovered.
	Germany just uncovered an ugly truth about Ukraine that has Europe in full panic mood.
	The Nord Stream pipeline bombing of September 2022 is supposed to remain a mystery forever.
	When an explosive tore through the Baltic Sea pipeline carrying Russian gas to Germany, Western officials immediately pointed fingers at Moscow.
	Well, why would Russia bomb its own infrastructure?
	Nobody asked that question too loudly.
	The whole idea that Russia had done it was frankly absurd.
	German investigators at the federal police headquarters of Postdam refused to play along with a pervert narrative.
	They spent three years methodically tracking down the perpetrators using location data, facial recognition, and links to veteran divers.
	The evidence didn't lead to Russia.
	It led straight to Ukraine.
	German police issued arrest warrants for seven persons connected to a Ukrainian special forces unit that executed the operation.
	One suspect was tracked down in Italy, where he's fighting extradition.
	The biggest bombshell came when investigators identified who had ordered the attack.
	Valerie Zaluzhny, Ukraine's former top general and current ambassador to the United Kingdom, gave the order to blow up the pipelines.
	It's clear the explosion on the Nord Stream gas pipe line in the Baltic in September 22 were carried out by an elite Ukrainian unit under the direct orders of then Commander-in-Chief Valerie Zaluzhny, German police stated.
	Berlin's own investigation just proved Germany is funding the very government that blew up German infrastructure.
	Poland, however, has called a pipeline bomber a hero.
	The German investigation created an impossible situation for European leaders.
	They went three years demanding unity in support of Ukraine against Russia crash.
	And now Germany's own investigation proved Ukraine attacked German infrastructure and crippled the country's energy security.
	Poland's response to the German arrest warrant tells you everything about how broken European unity really is.
	When German authorities requested extradite one of the Ukrainian suspects, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk didn't just refuse, he mocked the entire investigation.
	The problem is that the pipeline was blown up, the problem is it was built.
	The Warsaw Court went further and declared the Ukrainian suspect acted heroically by attacking enemy infrastructure.
	The judge ruled that attacking enemy pipelines during a just offensive war cannot constitute a crime.
	Poland release the suspect and close the case.
	Italy followed Poland's lead and blocked the extradition of another Ukrainian suspect.
	European countries now openly protecting the terrorists.
	But, I mean, the timeline doesn't make any sense at all.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	Nothing about this makes sense other than the Seymour Hirsch original expose on this: that it was the Norwegian Navy and the U.S. Navy.
	Those pipelines were 200 feet deep, and you pick up an atmosphere of pressure for every 33 feet of depth.
	So that was seven atmospheres of pressure.
	You can't do that with scuba gear.
	The water temperature hovers around four degrees centigrade.
	So it's really cold.
	So you can't do it with just a regular wetsuit.
	You have to have a dry suit.
	Most likely, it'd have to be a pressurized hard shell like they use on offshore rigs.
	The pipelines themselves were six-foot diameter, two-inch wall-thick steel, covered with six inches of reinforced concrete to protect it against the ocean and anchor drops.
	The amount of charge would have been enormous.
	You couldn't do that with a Mickey Mouse sailboat and seven scuba divers.
	Absolutely preposterous.
	This was a state action.
	Biden had warned that they were going to do it.
	They set off timing devices that were triggered by U.S. AWACs that were flying over the locations at the time of the explosion.
	So everything that the German government's doing is nothing but a fig leaf for the sabotage that the United States and NATO did against Russia.
	And they're absolutely destroying German industry.
	And to finger point at somebody else and try to keep the Ukraine war alive with this kind of false flag accusation is indefensible.
	The Mertz government in Germany is illegitimate and evil.
	And of course, I mean, it was going to provide cheap Russian gas.
	It was going to make Germany the economic powerhouse of Europe.
	It was going to be enormously beneficial for the European Union.
	And yet you can see where Ukraine, with its animosity toward Russia, I don't believe the incursion, the special military operation, had been launched as yet.
	Lauren, your thoughts.
	Well, I mean, that's incredible news.
	I feel if that's true.
	I mean, if the investigation really leads to Ukraine, that's really incredible.
	And the response of the Polish and the Italians is really mind-blowing.
	I mean, this is so representative of the situation of Europe, the European disunion.
	You know, it's really incredible.
	And I was thinking, it's interesting, when it happened, you know, of course, the mainstream media were pointing the finger at Russia, but everybody was, you know, everybody was to sell brain cells was thinking, oh, Joe Biden, you just kind of almost announced he was going to blow up the pipelines, or not in those terms.
	But, you know, it's like if Biden says something like this, then people hear that and say, well, let's blow it up and, you know, and blaming the Russians, and everybody will blame it on Biden.
	So I was already thinking, you know, if Biden knew they were going to blow up the pipeline, he would not announce it like this.
	Or that kind of sounded weird.
	On the other hand, you know, if you think a little bit deeper, you can think people who want to blow up the pipeline, you know, if they hear Biden say something like this, well, that's for them, that's the go-ahead.
	They will do it.
	So I don't know, Joe, if I understood you clearly, you're suspicious about this German investigation, are you?
	Oh, yeah, 100%.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, you are saying, you know, to put these bombs, you know, requires a tremendous equipment and so on, but can't it be done by some kind of drone, some kind of water drone?
	Or, you know, do you really need people to go down there to put the explosive?
	Or can't you have some kind of mini submarine drone to do it?
	Yeah, but there again, that would not be something you deployed off of a seven-person sailboat that was rented and sitting in the middle of the Baltic Sea.
	So, you know, bottom line is I trust what Seymour Hearst got on deep source, that it was the Norwegians and the U.S. Navy dive teams that did it.
	Yeah.
	But Seymour Hirsch is an ambivalent person, you know.
	So, you know, I kind of in general trust half of what he says, but distrust the other half.
	You know, you never know if he's really revealing some half-truth or putting out some half-lie, because, you know, he's the guy who thinks Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy, basically.
	So, you know, so I don't think it's reasonable to really put too much trust in whatever he says, don't you think?
	Well, he did break some real good stories.
	I think he was the one that broke the Milan massacre in Vietnam.
	But you had four pipelines, and all four of them had charges planted, and only three of the charges blew up.
	And then you've had the Swedish and Danish navies protecting the site so that nobody else can go there and discover the weapon that the bomb that didn't go off.
	So you could do some forensics on it and find out if it was actually a state actor that did it.
	The pipelines were installed in two phases, and they were parallel pipelines in each phase.
	So you had four pipelines.
	There's one that's still undamaged that they could turn on tomorrow, but they don't want Germany to have any industry.
	We're asset stripping Germany the same way we've asset stripped every other colony.
	And Germany is the driving force for the European Union.
	Now they're going to create a war industry that they have no need for that is not going to serve the people of Germany.
	So bottom line is this is a further destruction of white Christian European culture.
	And that's what this is.
	It's a giant culture war.
	Yeah, of course.
	But in any case, it doesn't make so much difference whether it's coming from Ukraine or from NATO, does it?
	I mean, it's basically, you know, we know where it's coming from in general, right?
	We've got the same puppet masters worldwide.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, I'm inclined to go with a German investigation.
	I'm skeptical of Seymour Hears.
	She has done good work on various occasions, but I think his reputation is greatly exaggerated.
	And it's just the sort of thing Ukraine would want to do.
	I mean, the whole idea Russia would blow out a pipeline that spent $2 billion laying down is frankly about as absurd as it gets.
	And yet, that's in the official narrative.
	Both Biden and Victoria Newland said at the time that if they were to open, that the pipeline would not be allowed to go forward, that it would not be allowed to exist.
	It was Biden.
	Now, remember, he was not cognitively highly competent.
	I mean, he would be saying things he should not be saying, but Victoria Newland, who initiated the coup in Kiev in 2014, the color revolution that deposed the Russian friendly president and installed a public whom Zelensky is a successor, was saying the same thing.
	So the Americans, the government itself, I mean, these are very high officials, including the president, were declaring it wouldn't be allowed to go forward.
	That was basically green lighting its destruction.
	And Joe, haven't you implied it might have taken a mini nuke to do this damage?
	I didn't imply that.
	That was an article that was written in Better's Today.
	And let's not forget we had W-54 bazookas that fired a 0.5 kiloton explosion in 1954.
	So miniaturizing nukes to that size.
	And water absorbs a lot of the nuclear radiation.
	So the radiation from the bombing because it was a low-yield bomb, similar to what they did in the World Trade Center buildings.
	And you and I have discussed that extensively since 2015.
	So we've had 10 years of extensive research on that.
	And I'd debate anybody in the world on that, on what happened in 11.
	Right, right, right.
	What do you make of, you know, these countries protecting the suspects, not extraditing them?
	That seemed to me a fundamental violation of agreements within the European Union, that that in itself is going to create chaos.
	Am I wrong?
	Yeah, I mean, you know, the whole situation in Europe with the European leadership is absolutely disastrous.
	I mean, we have every in most countries, you know, with possibly the exception of Hungary and, you know, Spain at the moment, but basically most European countries are led by people who are who are, you know, probably half incompetent and sold out to America.
	It's really tragic.
	But this investigation does clarify the situation, which is really very, very good news, you know, because this puts on the table some fact, you know, that and the response of those leaders who applaud Ukraine or NATO destroying European economy is really amazing.
	So I really hope the German people hear that news.
	I will try to check if it's coming up in the mainstream news, because that can be really a game changer in Germany.
	Because I've always felt, as you said, I think, Jim, Germany is always a leader of Europe.
	No matter how many times we try to destroy Germany, there is something about Germany from the geographical point of view, from the anthropological point of view, from many point of view.
	They're always the leaders, you know.
	And so all other countries are jealous of them because basically France has always been jealous of Germany and England too.
	But they are the key.
	And not only they are the key because they are better at everything, but they're the key because they are the only possible link with Russia.
	And that Nord Stream pipeline is so symbolic because it's a link between Europe and Russia.
	And there is no future for Europe without some kind of friendship with Russia.
	It's so clear.
	So for that reason, it's an incredibly symbolic story.
	And it forced Germany to rely on liquefied natural gas transported across the Atlantic from America at quadruple the price they would have got for the Russian gas.
	And it was going to issue, introduce an era of commerce and prosperity that would have been, it would have been evident with these extraordinarily cordial and mutually beneficial economic relations.
	There was no threat from Russia to Europe, that NATO was an artifact of the past that could be dispensed, save all the money on defense.
	And of course, that's where the American military-industrial complex would have been alarmed that their profit margin was going to drop dramatically because Europe wasn't going to be buying their expensive equipment, much of which is very poorly designed to guarantee they have to have maintenance contracts and double or quadruple their profits for it.
	The American military-industrial complex is as corrupt as it gets and have no interest in peace whatsoever because it contradicts their profit ambitions.
	Zielinski is in real deep problems over in Ukraine because of all the scandals that are coming forward and all of the obvious grift that's going on.
	And so he's either executed, jailed, or deported all of his opponents.
	And one of them is the Zielinski that supposedly is in charge of blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline.
	He's the ambassador to England.
	So here you have Zielinski, who has every reason in the world to try to tar this guy as being a saboteur and an eco-terrorist and keep him from assuming power in Ukraine when Zelensky deposed.
	So I was informed last night Zelensky has already sought refuge in another nation, though I'm not sure which.
	But we're going to be hitting a break here.
	Lauren, we have another story or two, and then we'll turn to your research.
	I'm so glad to have you here.
	We'll be right back after this message.
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	And now we return you to your host.
	In the absence of James Fetzer, I'll go ahead and take over as host.
	The problem that Zielinski has in Ukraine is that the federal government had enough pressure from congressmen that they had actually had to force Ukraine into doing investigation into the widespread corruption, black market sale of U.S. weapons and everything else, and theft of funds.
	And so they established NABU, N-A-B-U, which was their investigative branch.
	And last week, they produced evidence implicating $100 million of money that was stolen.
	And the ring leader of that group was a guy named Mendovich, M-I-N-D-I-C-H, who immediately fled to Israel.
	And apparently, Zielinski was able to convince him that they can kill him in Israel or they can give him a just trial in Ukraine.
	And so he moved back to Ukraine, and nobody knows what he's up to now.
	But according to all the sources, $100 million divided between the 10 principals that were involved in this particular theft ring is only 10 million apiece.
	And like they say, that's peanuts compared to the graft that's really going on in Ukraine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's really incredible.
	I think everybody knows that Ukraine is, you know, just a big, big Jewish mafia basically stealing all the money they receive.
	You know, it's been clear for a long time for people who, you know, who are informed.
	So this whole situation is so disgusting.
	Yeah, excellent.
	Further, I did a recent interview with Kevin Barrett, but was prior to the Epstein ties to Israel, where it confirmed his relations and suggests that Trump is being blackmailed, which he just published under the title Perfect Storm Threatens Israel's Stranglehold on the USA.
	Is a photograph of me and Kevin with David Ray Griffin.
	That was in Milwaukee, as I recall.
	And David's not quite as rowdy and boisterous as Kevin and me.
	You can tell he's not feeling quite so comfortable about the bear hug.
	But here's the way it began.
	What year was it, this picture?
	Oh, the picture.
	It was over 10 years ago.
	10 years ago.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I can track it down.
	But I was hosting Kevin, and it began this way.
	It's my great pleasure to have as my featured guest for the second hour, Kevin Barrett, a dear friend of decades.
	We've done shows together.
	There's even a book about the two of us.
	This guy and I go way, way back.
	Kevin is now in Morocco.
	He is a Muslim.
	I want to begin, Kevin, asking you about what I think is a trifecta that's working very much against Israeli domination of the American government.
	Beginning with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, I'm convinced it was staged.
	It has caused tremendous uproar in the belief that Israel took him out because he was wandering off the Zionist reservation.
	Second, we had Ducker's interview with Nick Fuentes.
	I didn't know Nick before, but I loved the interview.
	I was so glad Tucker did it.
	And it created consternation in conservative circles, which I thought was very much off base.
	The head of the Heritage Foundation was supportive of Tucker, having done the interview with Fuentes.
	And then third, of course, the election of Mamam De in New York City, himself a Muslim.
	I believe we've created here a perfect storm focusing on the rule of Israel in dominating American society, running our government.
	I think that people are sick of it.
	And that these events combined together are giving a focus to and motivation for doing something about it.
	Your thoughts.
	Kevin, that's a great intro, Jim.
	I couldn't have said it better myself.
	I tried to say it better.
	I recently published a piece headline, man.
	Donnie and Fiwantes are both good signs.
	It got headlined at the Uns Review, and I was saying a lot of what you said.
	He was indeed.
	And I had featured his stories in my reports.
	I'd like your thoughts, Laurent, about what I'm describing as a perfect sign.
	What is your interpretation from your perspective on the continent of what's happening here in the U.S.?
	Well, I mean, first on Charlie Kirk, I've had a lot of, I've changed my mind a couple of times, actually three times about what really happened.
	But regardless of what really happened, whether he was really shot or not, I believe he was.
	But in any case, yeah, I'm very inspired by the, you know, the fact that Israel has gone so far that, you know, everybody can see what they're doing.
	And in the case of Charlie Kirk, I think this plus what Israel is doing in Gaza has had really big impact.
	And, you know, everybody can see what Israel really is.
	I mean, at least people can start to think deeply about what Israel is.
	And I think that that's something that will move the world in the right direction.
	Public opinion first, and also more importantly, in my view, heads of states in the world, because this is, my point of view on what hopefully should happen is not so much,
	I don't have so much hope on the power of public opinion in general, but I think many world leaders, you know, must be realizing that Israel is a country that has to be punished at some point.
	And so, because people will have to choose between international law or Israel, you cannot have both in this world.
	One has to go, one must be destroyed.
	And Israel is destroying international law.
	Israel is really basically a mafia.
	So, you know, this is becoming clearer and clearer.
	So, the Charlie Kirk assassination, maybe we can talk a little bit more about it.
	I think he will.
	Yeah, well, I just want to drop an opening here.
	Joe, your thoughts about my tri-factor.
	Yeah, well, amazingly enough, this morning, Trump on Truth Social said that he wants to open all of the Epstein files.
	And because there was already 40 GOP House representatives that were going to vote to open the files, it pretty much opened the floodgates and now he won't be able to stand in the way.
	I think what he's thinking is that enough of the material has been scrubbed that they won't be able to get to enough that actually leads to him.
	But the problem he's got is that they haven't scrubbed enough of it.
	So that's problem number one.
	Number two, Israel is transparent in their takeover of TikTok and CBS, CNN, and Paramount and all of the other media companies and their blatant attack against people that have been pro-America all along,
	which would be Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, in addition to sitting Congressman Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	So they're going after all of them, hammers and tongs, and that's completely dividing the nation, number one.
	Number two, it's waking everybody up to who the true enemy of all humanity is.
	The war in Ukraine has been a million and a half extermination of Eastern Orthodox Christians from the Ukrainian side and the Russian side.
	And what's going on in the Middle East has been at least a million and a half, probably closer to four or five million extermination by the Jewish Greater Israel Project on every one of their neighbors.
	I got information last week about the genocide in Sudan.
	Over 250,000 people have been killed in Sudan and millions displaced.
	And those millions are in Minneapolis.
	Absolutely insane.
	Yeah, here's a story to which you allude of Trump calling for Republicans to now vote to release the Epstein files.
	We have nothing to hide, he complains.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, that's surprising.
	That's surprising.
	But I think he has no real choice because, you know, everybody thinks he's hiding his own name in these files.
	Which he is.
	Which he is, of course.
	Yeah.
	My impression his name occurs in the files over a thousand times.
	It's funny what's going on here.
	But here's the report for one of them.
	This week, House will vote on a measure to force DOJ to release all the Epstein files.
	And in a massive development, President Trump has jumped out in full support of the bill.
	It's not genuine.
	It's merely feigned, of course.
	He can see he can't stop it.
	So he's going to do his best to salvage what he can.
	You know, most of the socially urged Republicans to vote to release the files, claiming we have nothing to hide.
	Read President Trump's full text.
	Here it comes.
	As I said Friday night aboard Air Force One to the fake news media, House Republicans should vote to release the Epstein files because we have nothing to hide.
	And it's time to move on from the Democrat hoax perpetrated by radical left lunatics in order to debuff from the great success of the Republican Party, including our recent victory on the Democrat shutdown.
	The Department of Justice has already turned over tens of thousands of pages to the public on Epstein, are looking at various Democrat operatives, Bill Clinton, Reid Hoffman, Larry Summers, et cetera, and their relationship to Epstein and the House Oversight Committee can have whatever they are legally entitled to.
	I don't care.
	All I do care about is that Republican to get back on point, which is the economy, affordability, where we are winning big.
	Our victory, reducing inflation from the highest level in history to practically nothing, bringing down prices for the American people, delivering historic tax cuts, gaining trillions of dollars of investments into America record, rebuilding of our military, securing our border, deporting criminal, illegal aliens, Indian men in women's sports, topping transgender for everyone, and so much more.
	Nobody cared about Jeffrey Epstein when he was alive.
	And if Democrats had anything, they would have released it before our landslide election victory.
	Some members of the Republican Party are being used, and we can't let that happen.
	Let's start talking about the Republican Party record-setting achievements and not fall into the Epstein trap, which is actually a curse on the Democrats, not us.
	Make America great again.
	Representative Massey, who introduced the bill, says he's expecting over 100 Republicans now to vote in favor of releasing the Epstein files.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, it's transparent that he's got a problem with BRICS and he's cut back his tariffs that were driving up the costs and creating a lot of the food inflation.
	A pound can of coffee is down to 11 ounces now.
	It used to be $2 for a can just a few years ago.
	And now it's gotten up to $10 a can because he's put sanctions against every one of the BRICS nations that are the major coffee producers.
	And so they said, well, fine, we'll sell our coffee to China.
	And China said, fine, we'll buy coffee.
	We can start drinking it.
	So that's a problem for him.
	And getting back to the thing, in 2006, there was an absolutely notorious federal prosecutor named Alex Acosta who was in charge of that investigation and gave what was called a sweetheart deal for several of the victims, but excluded all the rest of the victims.
	And he's not allowed to make a barring of civil and criminal charges against any of the defendants in this case without having the approval of the victims of the case.
	And he did none of that.
	And so his case was really terrible.
	Makes this guy even worse is that he was born a Jewish Cuban American, and he was named Renee until he was 13 years old, when he decided he would change from a girl to a boy.
	So here you have a transgender piece of crap.
	That's a federal prosecutor that already already has a personal bias against teenage girls because he used to be one.
	And then when Trump gets in office, he appoints him to be the secretary of Labor, And when he goes into congressional hearings and they start sniffing around with the Epstein sweetheart deal, then he ends up resigning.
	But that's how insidious this whole thing is.
	Either Trump has his radar completely turned off or he doesn't give a shit.
	I think he's both.
	Well, I think he's not nearly the political genius.
	I mean, he's a marketing genius.
	He's a PR genius.
	And he's, you know, totally played the American people by presenting himself as a peace candidate and as America first, when he's done nothing but go for wars.
	He's supported the genocide in Israel.
	He's maintained the attacks on Russia by giving funding to Ukraine.
	He's even bombed Iran.
	The most peace-loving great nation the world has ever known, not having launched a war of aggression against any other state since 1775.
	If only that could be said of the United States.
	And it's very clear he's boxed in.
	Marjorie Taylor Greene is suggesting he's losing his mind over Epstein, and I think she may have it exactly right.
	Lauren, your thoughts?
	Well, on Trump, I'm absolutely disgusted.
	And generally speaking, I think whatever he says or whatever he writes is not very relevant anyway.
	So, you know, I don't expect, but we'll see what happens with the Epstein files.
	But in general, I think he has lost, Trump has lost all credibility in my eyes.
	And I think the MAGA movement is just, you know, there's just the Zionists are still MAGA.
	And that's the disappointment about the Epstein file, about everything, about the wars here and there is so big that Trump is, in my view, Trump, he's from the very beginning, you know, he's always been fake.
	He's always been a mafiozzi.
	He's always been a, you know, a man, a casino owner, which is basically, you know, a place to launder money.
	So I feel it's a big disaster.
	But on the other hand, for Americans, it's a big chance to try to realize how deeply they've been fooled and by Donald Trump.
	But anyway, yeah.
	Yeah, let's talk a bit about trifecta starting with Charlie Kirk.
	In my opinion, Utah Valley University was a scene for Butler 2.0.
	Whatever we may differ with regard to Charlie, I'm going to guess, Lauren, you agree that Butler was a stage event.
	He didn't actually get shot in the ear.
	He even appears to have used a prosthesis, a fake here, that had some blood on it, but his shirt is clean.
	They move the photographers over to get the shot.
	The crowd doesn't disperse.
	There are a hundred different indications, in my opinion, that this was a staged event in Butler.
	And then what we had in Utah was actually a similar but more sophisticated effort involving Charlie Kirk.
	My interpretation is: yes, yes, yes, the Israelis did have powerful motives.
	Charlie had wandered off the reservation.
	He was no longer supporting genocide.
	How enthusiastic can you be about genocide?
	That he had told Candace and Tucker and Clayton that he no longer supported the Israel First Project, that he was no longer happy with Netanyahu.
	And by my account, he was offered the choice between silver and lead.
	Bibi offered him 150 mil to put into the cobblers, a turning point, if he'd reignite his joy for mass murder and come around and stay on the reservation, but he declined.
	So he was confronting the real risk of assassination.
	I think it was in the works and chose to fake it as a way out.
	That's how I see it.
	It was rather sophisticated.
	Candace got a hold of the video that was behind him and reported most striking feature was no blood.
	We have the shirt.
	If you look at some of the video, the letters, you know, freedom, they move around.
	The F comes in, disappears.
	The blood appears to have been added by CGI.
	It can sink into the shirt.
	It appears to be above the shirt as layered on the shirt because it was imposed on the shirt.
	The mic moves across up to his neck.
	The wound on his neck moves around on the neck, obviously physically impossible if it were genuine.
	At one point, the blood even seems to back up.
	So those are some of the indications of what was going on here.
	A colleague Vivian Lee, who's contributed to several of my books exposing past false flag stage events, did a brilliant critique about hand signs and gesture where Charlie rubbing his nose was the initiation.
	Then several others gave instruction, tipping the hat, all this other stuff.
	And the guy in the brown shirt, when he scratched his sleeve, triggered, I think it was more of an ear puff, a squib, rather than a blood to sort of blow up his shirt.
	And he tilts backwards.
	They use the distraction of this guy who claimed to be the shooter to add the blood in by CGI, and then they put it everywhere.
	I mean, just think about it.
	The networks are very scrupulous about not showing bloody violent scenes, but in this case, it was the opposite.
	They put it on everywhere.
	And then, of course, we had Erica Kirk, who may or may not even be at the moment he married.
	She's moaning, you know, she's mourning at the coffin, but it's a fake, it's a mannequin in the coffin.
	We got a guy that spent, you know, takes him an hour to present, but he shows it's the hands are too small to be Charlie's, but they're not even real hands.
	And yet you've got a camera right over his shoulder.
	Then you have the spectacular event at the State Parma Auditorium, which was read four months in advance for this memorial.
	And she comes out and it is very staged, very elaborate, sparklers the whole bit.
	The whole crowd appears to be CGI in.
	I mean, it goes on and on.
	I mean, there were probably 100 more points I could make here, too.
	Lauren, your thought.
	Know you've gone back and forth, just your current yes well yeah, as I said i've i've, i've written an article uh, defending the, the fake death theory, and with all the arguments you mentioned, and you know the not enough blood uh, you know the, the fact that also he's uh he, he's still holding the mic, you know, and even it seems like uh tightening his grasp on the mic.
	There's so many things that to me didn't make any sense until and then I also wondered about the theory of the explosive mic or the explosive design I see here.
	So, but then finally, when I I watched um uh, Chris Martenson's uh videos and uh, you know it's a two-hour video and having no personal expertise, either in anatomy body, you know, human anatomy, or gun shot wounds or or guns in general.
	So I kind of I I have to trust some experts and I find his explanation quite convincing because he uh I don't know if I try to summarize, because I um, it's uh, I haven't followed that story for a couple months now but he explained that the bullet uh came from uh not, of course, not from uh Tyler Robinson, but from another point which was higher.
	So he explained, it's quite possible, the bullet did not exit.
	So that he answered that that uh, that contradiction.
	Why?
	Why is there no exit wound if the entry wound is on the in the neck?
	You know, according to So, and he explained also, well, if the heart was, um stuck, then there is no blood.
	He'll say it's normal, because you know the blood comes out if the heart is still pumping, but as soon as the heart stops pumping, no blood is.
	You know, there's no reason to the blood for having more blood than that.
	And then he also explained this very strange movement of the t-shirt.
	You know it's lances, you know something, as if something's coming from outside, and he say that's normal.
	He showed pictures of uh, animals going through some kind of uh, because the, the bullet has some so much energy and if it doesn't exit, then there is, there's this uh incredible um, uh explosion of the body.
	So it's the body itself.
	Anyway, you know, as I said, I i'm not in a position to to bring uh, you know, any expertise, but I I felt Chris Martenson somehow uh, explained all those weird aspects and at this point I believe he was shot, he was killed and uh, so I go for the.
	You know the, the simpler scenario that he was actually turning away from Israel.
	They thought it was the moment to to get rid of him now, because after, when people know he was turning, it would be too late.
	But they didn't.
	Uh, you know this is a bit of sloppy job, they're not.
	They're not always that smart.
	They don't always uh anticipate, uh what can uh come out of the social networks and so on, and then sometimes they brag.
	You know, you had Joe uh, what's his name?
	Josh Hammer.
	You know the tweets he did was.
	This story is really incredible on the very.
	You know, there is all this story.
	He was uh, he had a meeting, a zoom meeting, the day before.
	Uh, he was under tremendous pressure.
	I don't think that's fake.
	I think that the pressure was absolutely real.
	The anger of his Israeli funders was real uh, the worries of uh, you know the rabbi Voliki and uh, and the worry of uh, you know all these people uh, Bill Ackman and so on, and their anger was real.
	And Josh Hammer himself could not help.
	But uh, post public execution.
	You know, the day before and the day after he, he made another tweet.
	What did it say?
	It said Again, he was talking about public execution.
	So to me, you know, it sounds like they did it.
	And, you know, as sometimes they don't, of course, they want to know that they did it, but they want to keep, of course, plausible deniability so they will not leave evidence that can be.
	But in some way, I think they are at the point.
	Because I remember something very, I felt it was very important when Rabbi Shmule, you know, Boji Shmule, said at some point about six months ago.
	He said, now is the time for Jews to be feared.
	So I felt, well, you know, this guy knows the agenda.
	So, you know, I think they are at the point now.
	They know they have to be feared because they are not anymore loved.
	They are not even respected.
	Their victimhood theater is not working anymore.
	So they're kind of changing into, let's be feared.
	So in some way, I feel they don't mind being blamed for Charlie Kirk's assassination.
	In some way, they want people to know they can take anybody out anytime, especially people who betray them.
	You know, recently I...
	Anyway, it really resembles the JFK assassination, too.
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	Well, my guest has quite a few books.
	If you go to Amazon, you'll find they include From Yahweh to Zion, JFK 9-11, 50 Years of Deep State.
	Plus, then I take a French edition and the 9-11 Triple Cross.
	I take it, Laura, we would agree that 9-11 was an Israeli op supported by the CIA, the neocons, and the Department of Defense and Mossad.
	And it was all designed to justify American intervention in the Middle East to use American military force to take out the modern Arab states that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Iran and, you know, the seven nations in five years.
	Six of the seven have fallen.
	The seventh, most obviously, now is a president of Syria who's IDF.
	He's a Mossad op.
	I mean, this is really pretty disgusting, Laura.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, I mean, on 9-11, I want to say first that I'm your student and you're my teacher because I started to be interested in this story and then in JFK in 2011, so much later than you.
	And I learned a lot from your articles I read on Veterans Today and other places.
	So you did help me to understand Who was behind and to move from the 9-11 is an inside job to the Israeli job.
	So, yeah, I started to be interested in American deep history and all these stories, but it started with 9-11 for me, and then I moved on to JFK.
	And so, in the case of 9-11, yeah, as soon as you understand that the neocons are basically Jewish crypto-Zionists, then you, and as soon as you also dig a little bit in the biography of Larry Silverstein and all those New York real estate businessmen around the New York World Trade Center, the fingerprints of Israel are everywhere.
	So, you know, there's no question.
	In the case of JFK, it's a little bit more complicated, but both cases help illuminate each other.
	You know, we can, by comparison, we also can see a pattern.
	Yeah, mutually reinforced.
	Joe, your thoughts go right ahead.
	Yeah, let me, I'm just sending you a little text.
	Christopher Bolin, Solving 911, great book.
	And everybody of the characters involved in this, from the short sales and the overinsurance, and the lawyers and the judges, every one of them is Jewish.
	So that's absolutely crazy.
	But I want to get into another pernacious myth, and that is that Trump is the president of peace.
	He inherited three ongoing wars, and he had four years to get us out of Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and he did nothing.
	Instead, his first year, he gives $60 million of weapons, including javelins, anti-tank weapons, to Ukraine to fight Russia.
	And in his last year, 2020, he gave $400 million of military aid to Ukraine.
	So that's not really helping much.
	And the United States, using CIA Operation Timber Sycamore, took the weapons that they got from Qaddafi's army and shipped them to Turkey and then armed ISIS.
	So ISIS was a total CIA creation.
	And his Secretary of State and head of CIA at different times in his administration, Mike Pompeo, quoted: Russians killed thousands of ISIS terrorists in Syria.
	We killed hundreds of Russians in Syria.
	So if the enemy was ISIS and we'd armed the enemy and Russia was killing the enemy and we claimed that they were an enemy, and the head of ISIS is now the annoyed president of the country because he overthrew it and he goes in a suit and East St. Laurent suit into the White House and gets handshakes from the president.
	It's like absolutely crazy.
	This guy had a $20 million bounty on his head because he was a head chopper.
	The whole thing's absolutely crazy.
	And that's all you can get.
	You have a demonic overlord like the Jewish cabal ruling the planet.
	Well, I think there's a strong case to be made that Trump himself converted to Judaism.
	I think in 2017, he's received a closet full of awards that are historically only given to Jews.
	He's gone to the whaling wall.
	He's just deferred to Betanyahu to the extent of acting as though he were his butler in the White House.
	It's pathetic.
	And for this guy, this monster, this butcher, to come to the United States and give receive standing ovations again and again from the Congress of the United States is pathetic and damnable and impugns the integrity of the American government.
	I wish there were a kinder way to put it, Lauren, but that's how it is, sad to see.
	I know.
	Yeah, yeah, I agree.
	I agree totally.
	Yeah.
	I mean, in 1917, when Trump was first elected, it was 1917, right?
	His first election, yeah.
	You know, there were reasons I used to, you know, like many people who have changed their minds since, but I used to think maybe Trump was genuine.
	You know, maybe he represented something.
	And during his first term, he gave the impression that at least he was not starting any other war.
	We even had the impression that he was maybe protecting Syria because he somehow let Putin kind of take a little bit control of what was going on there.
	So there were reasons to believe that something good would happen with Trump's second term.
	But now my opinion is exactly like Joe.
	I think he's a man of absolutely zero principles.
	So he might have converted to Judaism because in his worldview, if you can't beat them, join them.
	So he thinks to be a winner is to join the stronger mafia in the world.
	That's his, you know, so I don't think he's a Zionist.
	I don't think he's a man of any conviction.
	I think, in fact, I don't even think he's a good businessman because, you know, there's this, I forgot who made this film showing that actually in the 1990s, he became bankrupt.
	He was in debt for $4 million and he was bailed out by Jewish bankers.
	So he's not even a good, you know, he's just bought by Israel.
	I think he was bailed out in the 1990s because they thought they can use him, you know, to become president and he would do whatever.
	So, you know, they anyway, that's, you know.
	No, I like, I think, agree with everything you're saying.
	I mean, he's had a string of bankruptcies and he's been bailed out again and again.
	And I'm afraid that he's been bailed out by wealthy Jewish Zionists that, you know, that he's fallen increasingly under their author.
	And I do believe, and we had actually, I think it was a former head of Assad said that Israel through Epstein was blackmailing Donald Trump.
	And I don't doubt.
	This is why he's going out of his mind.
	If you're early on and said, yes, I did some things of which I'm not proud.
	They were inappropriate completely.
	And I regret it.
	Early on, he might have been able to nip it in the butt, but it's way too late.
	Way too late.
	Yeah.
	You know, there is this story about his in the 1970s, he was trialed for some kind of racist discrimination.
	And then he got this lawyer called Roy Khan.
	And there is a story that Roy Khan told him one thing: you know, never say the truth, never admit you did anything wrong.
	Instead, just attack back, you know, invert the accusation.
	So that's Trump's style.
	I think that's his rule number one.
	He will never admit he did anything wrong.
	But instead, he will blame, you know.
	So he used the Epstein thing, knowing he's on the top of the list, you know, to say, you know, we're going to drain the swamp and we're going to put all the pedophiles in prison and so on.
	But that was all fake all the way, you know, and this QAnon SIOP was part of this, You know, manipulation to so, you know, I think he's uh, he's this kind of guy.
	He will, you know, and of course, his profile is almost uh, it's almost certain he was uh doing all kinds of things with Epstein.
	I mean, why wouldn't he?
	I mean, he's exactly this kind of guy.
	So they were, as Epstein himself said, they were best friends for 10 years.
	It may have even been more.
	Yeah.
	Birthday card, very suggestive.
	They were even sharing, you know, special events together, underage girls, my interpretation.
	Pam Bondi even admitted that the FBI had a thousand agents that were redacting his name.
	A thousand agents redacted his name how many times does his name appear?
	Is there?
	I mean, my God, it's just grotesque and overwhelming.
	I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is calling it right, and she's separating herself from Trump, who's now attacking her, following the Roy Cohen advice you described, Lauren.
	I don't think it's working.
	I don't think it's working.
	I think it's backfiring.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, his Jewish son-in-law, Mr. Ivanka, bought 666 Fifth Avenue in New York in 2007, overpaid for it.
	Then they had the big bust in 2008, and all the real estate prices crashed.
	In 2016, when Trump was elected, Jared Kushner's net worth was minus $500 million.
	When Trump left office, his net worth was $2 billion plus.
	So how did he get all that money?
	Oh, he had access to the CIA files on everybody over in Saudi Arabia.
	And he got with MRB or whoever it is that's the head of Saudi Arabia at this point.
	And hey, I can tell you who all the players are in Saudi Arabia.
	So they had a big party, invited them all to a big hotel, arrested 100 of the crown princes in Saudi Arabia, and he paid for that through Jared Kushner.
	And another thing, the UN did staged fake gas attacks in Syria in April of 2017.
	And Ivanka came running in going, Daddy, I saw a picture of a dead baby in Syria.
	You need to bomb Assad.
	And so they launched 59 Tomahawk missiles, but the Russians had already figured out how tomahawks worked.
	And they were able to knock down every one of them that was aimed at a Russian target inside Syria because they had a naval and several air bases.
	They knocked down all of the tomahawks that came in then.
	And then the next year, they pulled the same stunt and launched 100 Tomahawk missiles into Syria.
	And again, they knocked down all of the ones that were going against Russian bases.
	So Russia had already figured out how to decode the Tomahawks.
	And they've already figured out how to decode this monster we've got pretending to be president of the United States.
	It's absurd that we have to deal with this, but that's the world we're dealing with, kids.
	Actually, about Epstein, I just think, I just want to add something.
	He died in prison, right?
	That was during Trump's administration.
	So at the time, we thought, oh, that must be the Clintons killed Epstein.
	But in fact, you know, most probably Trump, you know, ordered it.
	I think the evidence supports he was sprung, that he didn't die.
	They had a failure by possibly.
	Yeah, it was another ruse.
	The cameras just happened to go out, blah, blah, blah.
	He's supposed to strangle himself, but the circumstances don't add up.
	Actually, Joe, the address was originally 668.
	He had to have it changed to 666.
	Really?
	That wasn't even originally.
	I mean, that's how bad it is.
	Yeah, with JFK, Israel did have a motive, but so did a whole lot of other very powerful entities, including the CIA.
	He was threatening to shatter it into a thousand pieces, joint chiefs.
	They were upset he hadn't invaded Cuba contrary to their unanimous recommendation.
	He'd signed an above-grand Testman Treaty with the Soviets, contrary to the unanimous opposition.
	Now he's pulling our forces out of Vietnam.
	By the end of 1965, they would have been all out, where the chiefs felt that a stand had to be taken against the expansion of international godless communism.
	The mafia was upset.
	They thought they had some kind of arrangement with Joe.
	Maybe they did, but not with Bobby or Jack, that if they helped to make sure Chicago went and therefore Illinois, that the admin would lay off.
	When Bobby became AG, he brought more indictments and convictions than ever before in American history.
	Yet the anti-Castro Cubans want revenge for what they thought was betrayal of the Bay of Pigs.
	It wasn't a legitimate allegation, but the CIA let them hold the false belief.
	Texas oilmen were worried because Jack was planning to cut the oil depletion allowance, a massive tax write-off on the specious grounds that because oil was a finite resource and they were bumping it out of the ground there and putting themselves out of business.
	It was all nonsense.
	We know today, of course, oil is produced in infinite quantity by the Earth itself.
	Then you had the Eastern establishment surrounding the Fed, where Jack had directed the Department of Treasury to print United States notes.
	I believe he was planning to let the Fed go.
	It instructed the Department of the Treasury.
	Douglas Dillon, who was at the time the Secretary of the Treasury and in charge, by the way, of the Secret Service, nullified his instructions months after Jack's death.
	And of course, you had the conflict with David Ben-Gurion, a founder and first prime minister of Israel, wanted Israel to develop nuclear weapons, which JFK opposed on the grounds it would set off a nuclear arms race.
	By looking at the shooters, Lauren, by tracking down the shooters, I found one was an expert in the Air Force.
	He was a joint chief shooter.
	Another was maybe the best shot in the world.
	He was the mob shooter.
	You had another was a Dallas Cobb, a CIA shooter.
	You had another was a Deputy Sheriff Texas oilman shooter.
	What I found is there were like eight sponsors, including Lyndon himself, with whom the conspiracy originated in 1960 when he lost election for the race for the nomination for president, forced himself on the ticket so he could take out Jack and he'd accede to the presidency.
	Eight sponsors, each of whom put up their own shooter.
	And I've identified seven of the shooters.
	I can give you their name rank, serial number, the shot they fired, the effect they had.
	It was really clever.
	Is Johnson then knew they'd all be interested in protecting one another so none of them would be exposed.
	But of course, the president, he was in a position to guarantee no one would ever suffer for participating in the assassination of JFK.
	Your thoughts.
	Well, you know, I started working on JFK in 2014 almost or 13.
	I started with a book by James Douglas, The Unspeakable, JFK and the Unspeakable.
	And then after researching here, I finally read Michael Collins Piper's book, which is very big, very thick, and not very organized.
	But at the end, I kind of agreed with his theory that it's basically an Israeli plot and with, of course, Lyndon Johnson.
	But, you know, so I wrote this book called The Unspoken Kennedy Truth, you know, and I titled it The Unspoken Kennedy Truth because in the introduction I explained that James Douglas' book is great, but what he doesn't speak about is the real unspeakable and the real unspoken truth, and that's the Israeli trail.
	He doesn't mention it at all.
	He hardly, he doesn't, even though he, you know, the general storyline of his book is that JFK was obsessed by denuclear, abolishing nuclear weapons.
	He doesn't even mention the struggle of JFK with Israel, which was trying to nuclearize the Middle East.
	So I dedicated my book to Michael Collins Piper because I felt, of course, a lot of people hated JFK, a lot of people wanted him dead.
	But that doesn't, you know, the evidence in my view points more toward Israel.
	And because they had the motives, you know, Dimona, nuclear bomb, Nasser, the return of the refugee and EPAC, you know, they wanted to force EPAC basically to destroy the power of Israel to corrupt American politicians, which was a big deal for Israel.
	And also because, you know, I felt if you start to investigate, we don't know who pulled the trigger, or maybe you know, but basically, but we know who killed Le R V Oswald.
	You know, he's a Jewish mafia.
	He's a Jewish mafia.
	You know, he's very clearly linked to the Irgun through the, you know, through the Jewish mafia.
	James Angloton, who is the main suspect within the CIA, happens to be, as Jefferson Morley has shown, you know, more loyal to the Mosaic than to his own hierarchy in the CIA.
	And then Lyndon Johnson himself, who of course is suspect number one, you know, has been finally Israel's man from the very beginning.
	And I think Jim Di Eugenio did a good job also to show the complete reversal of foreign policy between JFK and Lyndon Johnson.
	Basically under Lyndon Johnson, not much changed except in the Middle East.
	You know, the foreign policy completely was totally inverted.
	You know, the help to, of course, Dimona, you know, he didn't want to hear anything about Dimona, so Israel had a free green light to develop their nuclear weapons.
	You know, the procedure against EPAC, you know, that Robert Kennedy had opened was buried.
	Egypt got their money, got their aid completely cut down and Israel.
	So, you know, because, you know, I think one important point to make about JFK is that the point was not just to take away, to take off Kennedy, was the point was to put Lyndon Johnson in power.
	So if we have to look what changed to understand who did it, you know, and there's only one thing that changed between, because for example, the CIA, the CIA killed Kennedy.
	But the theory about the CIA killed Kennedy is because they were angry that he prevented them from invading Cuba, right?
	That's the main theory of James Douglas.
	You know, JFK prevented, you know, wanted to destroy the CIA because they tried to push him to invade Cuba and he refused and the CIA hated him for that.
	But the problem is that Leonard Johnson did not invade Cuba.
	There was no invasion of Cuba after Kennedy was killed.
	So that's kind of a weakness in the theory that the CIA killed Kennedy, in my view.
	There's only one thing that really changed.
	Well, there's two things.
	Vietnam, of course, Kennedy was trying to pull out of Vietnam.
	So that's true.
	That was not directly in the interest of Israel to continue the war in Vietnam.
	But apart from that, I feel the evidence is more directing to Israel, which doesn't mean, of course, there were no elements within the CIA, starting with Anglo-Tun and other people, or in the Pentagon, of course.
	But there has to be one person at the top.
	And I think that was David Ben-Gurion, basically.
	There has to be a hierarchy, you know, in such a plot, you cannot have, you can, it can only work if it's controlled by one group with a very, very strong absolute loyalty to each other.
	And we know what group can work like that better than any other.
	That's my anyway, that's the theory I developed.
	But, you know, of course, I don't have all the answers.
	There's a wonderful book by Phil Nelson you might like called LBJ Mastermind at JFK's Assassination.
	Yeah, he doesn't mean that he positioned the shooters and determined the sequence of shots, which appears to have been done by Edward Lansdale, but rather that he was the inspiration that originated in Los Angeles, where Jack beat Lyndon for the nomination, invited Stuart Simon of Missouri to be his reignmate, but gave him overnight to think about it.
	Bobby went by the Johnson Street to extend a pro forma invitation to run with Jack, just a symbolic gesture, was dumbfounded when Lyndon jumped on and threatened to expose that Jack had Addison's disease, wasn't expected to live a long life, that among his dalliances won with a beautiful woman who turned out to be a spy for East Germany, and that if he were not on the ticket,
	any legislative proposal sent down from the White House would be dead and arrival because of his position as a powerful majority leader of the Senate.
	He bottled him up.
	Jack and Bobby were flomaxed and very uncertain what to do and had to accede to Linden's demand more when we return right after this break.
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	Well, when one of Lennon's wealthy backers learned that he would be on the ticket, he burst into the Johnson's sweet cursing and swearing because now Lennon will help JFK become president.
	And Bobby Baker took him into a bedroom and explained what they had in mind.
	He came out all smiles, saying he thought that was an excellent plan.
	Bobby would later declare that JFK would not survive his first term and that he would die a violent death.
	And Linden would, in the course of events, send his chief administrative assistant, Cliff Carter, down to Dallas to make sure all the arrangements were in place for the assassination.
	I think the most telling indication of who was responsible is that Linden forced himself on the ticket so he could accede to the presidency when Jack was taken out.
	I believe all the pieces fall into place when you make that acknowledgement, but it's been a major effort, especially by the Democrat Party, not to acknowledge his role here in this dastardly deed.
	Joe, your thoughts first, and then back to Lauren.
	You're muted.
	You muted for the technical.
	Yeah, LBJ had ongoing investigation into his scandals involving Billy Saul Estes and the aforementioned Bobby Baker.
	And those investigations would have led to impeachment of him as a senator.
	And then also he was implicated in at least eight, maybe as many as a dozen murders in Texas when he was senator and when he was in the state government here.
	So bottom line is LBJ had plenty of skeletons in his closet and J. Edgar Hoover knew where all those skeletons were.
	And so J. Edgar Hoover could keep his place in FBI office as long as he had LBJ so that Hoover had excellent reasons to support the phony baloney Warren Commission findings so that he could keep his position appointed since 1924 as head of the FBI.
	So the whole thing is just as rotten as you could possibly want it to be.
	And, you know, we've still got the same overlords running the same system today.
	It's horrible.
	Laura, your further thoughts.
	Yeah, well, on LBJ, I think I agree.
	I think he's the suspect number one from the beginning, of course, for me, for obvious reasons.
	And I believe he was maybe not the mastermind, but at least a key person, if for no other reason, also because of his connection to Texas and Kennedy was killed in Texas.
	So he had the means and the opportunity to get the people to prepare the ambush in Dallas.
	So the important, the interesting question would be to know who helped LBJ to get into the White House.
	And it's very mysterious.
	And Kennedy himself, you know, a couple of times said to friends who reported in books that he said, you will never know why I picked up LBJ.
	But there's one thing we know is that I think on the, you know, during those few hours where the decision was made, he met with Philip Graham, the, you know, editor of the New York Times, or no, the Washington Post, sorry, and Joseph Alsop, who was one of the main, you know, editorialists of the newspaper.
	And both of them, Joseph Alstop was a Zionist, of course.
	He's a Jewish Zionist.
	And Philip Graham was not Jew, but he was, basically, it was already a Zionist, The Washington Post, through his wife and so on.
	So that's a hint.
	That's not a proof.
	That's not evidence, but that's a hint that Israel was involved in forcing Kennedy to pick up LBJ.
	That's an interesting point.
	And then what I wanted to say is I corresponded a little bit with Philip Nelson, who wrote JFK, the LBJ, the mastermind.
	And little by little, he was, and he passed away a few years ago, but we had exchanged and he worked on the USS Liberty after that.
	And little by little, he was also trying to understand that LBJ, you know, basically was Israel's man.
	So, you know, if you enter through the door, LBJ is the main mastermind, you somehow end up also understanding that LBJ was Israel's man from the beginning.
	He was founded by Abraham Feinberg from, you know, 1948.
	So he, you know, the question is also who planned to have LBJ as vice president in order to have him as president after Kennedy died, in order to do what?
	In order to reverse JFK's foreign policy and also nuclear policy regarding Dimona.
	That's the logic I think is the main, the most convincing logic in my mind.
	So, you know, LBJ and Israel for me is the key to solve the case.
	Yeah.
	The Noam Chomsky, who, like a lot of these other figures, turned out to be CIA, said that it didn't even matter if there were a conspiracy to kill JFK because there were no policy issues at stake, but there was.
	He was going to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces.
	He wasn't going to pursue the war in Vietnam.
	He was going to continue to prosecute the mob.
	He was going to cut the oil depletion allowance.
	He was going to circumvent the vet.
	He was going to oppose Israel acquiring nuclear weapons.
	Those are all major, major policy issues.
	So a long time ago, it may have been 2007, I did an interview in Milwaukee.
	And it's really short, about seven and a half minutes, where I'm faulting Chomsky for all these claims.
	And each time I explain his assertion, the film goes to Chomsky saying just exactly what I said.
	He said, I mean, God, I love it.
	So there really were a whole lot of policy issues that were of enormous significance.
	We still have the CIA today.
	We still have the oil depletion today.
	We still have the mob.
	We still have nuclear-armed Israel.
	We still have the Fed, blah, blah, blah.
	If only those policies at JFK had been implemented, the world would be in a different place today, no doubt.
	The USA would have been transformed.
	But your point about if Leonard was always a stooge of Israel, of course, obviously greatly reinforces the argument for the major role having been played by Israel in the decision to take him out.
	Joe, you wanted that further.
	Joe, you want?
	Yeah, Dallas, Dallas was Earl.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Yeah, Dallas Mayor was Earl Grable, the CARE Cabell Cabell, yeah, Earl Cabell and his brother, Charles Cabell, and Charles Cabell was assistant director of the CIA who was fired by JFK in 1962 because of the failure of Bay of Pigs.
	So maybe the mayor of Dallas had an axe to grind with JFK that we didn't even put into the equation.
	Oh, sure, of course.
	Of course, of course.
	David Manick has a new book called JFK was murdered by consensus, where Dallas was just a final stop.
	And there's an ambiguity in the word stop because there's actually the limo stop during which he was hit three times in the head that was excluded from the Zapruder film.
	But where he thinks that William Harvey, I haven't, I've read most of, but not all of the book.
	But he, Howard Hunt, told his son St. John that the chain of command went from Lyndon Johnson to Cordmeyer to David Attlee Phillips to William Harvey to David Sanchez Morales for Dallas.
	And David thinks that William Harvey might have been the guy who plotted the shooting sequence and all that, but I don't believe that's the case.
	These Texas guys, I mean, D-Lee Plaza was their backyard.
	They knew how perfect it was.
	You got Charles Cabell, former deputy director of CIA.
	You got the mayor who turns out to have been CIA since like 1957.
	And when you had Edward Lansdale involved, and Lansdale was buddies with Cabell, you know, I'm convinced it was Lansdale who positioned the shooters and determined the sequence of shots.
	And George Herbert Walker Bush was there in Dallas, is actually in the Daltechs supervising the anti-Castro shooter who had a superior man like Arcano fired the only unsilenced shots, three shots, that they then make a swap of the weapons, you know.
	It's a fascinating story, by far the most complex murder mystery in history.
	Lauren, further of your thoughts.
	Go ahead.
	Well, yeah, I mean, you know, there's many people who might have been involved in the TFK assassination.
	I have no doubt some people want him in dead in the CIA.
	But one thing I think is always good to remember is that the director of the CIA during Kennedy, when Kennedy was shot, was John McCone, a Kennedy man, an Irishman, you know, basically a friend of Kennedy.
	So when we say the CIA, we have to be, we have to, you know, it's not the CIA, it's people within the CIA.
	And then, you know, because the CIA is like a labyrinth, you know, there's all kinds of, and James Anglo's was also some kind of CIA within the CIA.
	So, you know, that's one point.
	And then the other point, I always feel there's one man we don't talk about enough when we study Kennedy because there's so many names around, you know, people who had reasons to kill Kennedy.
	But I always come back to Jack Ruby, you know, and most people don't even know his last name.
	You know, in James Duglas's book, for example, he only gives his last name once in a footnote.
	So we are left with the impression that Jack Ruby was a Chicago gangster, you know, from Italy somewhere.
	But he was very, his background is so clear.
	And he's the main person to start with because we know who he is and we know he silenced the Patsy, you know.
	So if we start with him, you know, we have a very, we have a boulevard toward Israel because Jack Ruby, Jacob Rubenstein, was basically part of the Jewish mafia of Mickey Cohen.
	He was a, you know, Mickey Cohen was his mentor.
	This was Murder Incorporated.
	This was really 100% Jewish mafia.
	And this Jewish mafia under Mayelensky had been collaborating with the Irgun in smuggling arms to Israel in the 1940s and early 1950s.
	And Jack Ruby was part of that.
	So, you know, I always feel we have to insist on that person because he has Israel's fingerprint all over him.
	And so that's, in my view, the most important start.
	But of course, I'm not denying that there might have been people, you know, within the CIA or, you know, they might have.
	They had to, in fact, if Israel wanted to kill Kennedy, of course, they had to get as many people involved into it as possible.
	So they would get involved, all the enemies of Kennedy, you know, the people he kicked out of the CIA and so on, of course.
	Two points about Jack Ruby.
	First, after he was arrested and all that, he made a number of revealing statements to reporters that this would never have happened had someone else been vice president.
	He said, if Adelaide Stevenson had been vice president, this would never have happened.
	And they pressed him and said, Jack, are you pointing to the man at the top as responsible?
	And he said, yes, he was.
	And of course, that was Lyndon Johnson.
	Second.
	And then he died.
	Yeah, he was taken out, no doubt about it.
	Now, you may not be aware of Ralph Sinkey's work on the shooting, because it turns out that when you study very carefully the cut of the hair in the back and so forth, although he was wearing Jack Ruby's clothing, it was actually an FBI agent named James Bookout who shot Lee Oswald in the basement.
	Ruby was upstairs in his underwear.
	He always said he couldn't remember having done it, and that's because he didn't actually do it.
	But I think you'd find this stuff by Ralph Sinke utterly fascinating.
	Ralph's kind of a maverick.
	You know, I have sometimes thought he was a complete idiot.
	Other times I've thought he was incredibly brilliant.
	Well, this thing about identifying Bookout as the actual shooter, they felt Ruby wasn't reliable enough.
	They couldn't count on him.
	So he actually had a shooter.
	He was a similar build, similar height, but he had differences in the way he cut his hair, for example.
	And there are other indicators that Ralph has done just a brilliant, I mean, there's no other way to describe it.
	Expose that it wasn't actually Jack Ruby who shot Lee Oswald in the basement.
	I just encourage you to take a look.
	Yeah, I'll take a look at that.
	Yeah, he first made this revelation, I think, about 10 years ago, but it's just astonishing how good he is about it.
	So I encourage you to look at that.
	I do think your argument, if Lyndon was always, you know, the Israel's boy, then obviously that tremendously reinforces the idea.
	In the same way, Trump, you know, in the same way as Trump, I think he made this alliance with Israel in order to get to the top.
	You know, similar profile, actually.
	Joe.
	Mute, mute, mute.
	Yeah.
	I read the book, Arrogance of Power, I think is what it was on Richard Nixon.
	And Jacob Rubinstein was the Jewish mafia bagman for his campaign to run for Congress in like 1947, whatever the hell it was.
	But anyhow, so he had imminent contacts with Jack Jacob Rubinstein before he became Jack Ruby.
	And then the only reporter to ever interview him was Dorothy Kilgallen, who used to be on What's My Line.
	She was a famous reporter.
	She said, I've got all the evidence.
	I was the only one that interviewed Jack Ruby in prison, and this is going to be bombshell.
	And then she ends up getting the same treatment that Marilyn Monroe got, alcohol and barbitowitz, which she didn't take and didn't need.
	And she was found dead, and the autopsies were botched.
	And so, bottom line is, yeah, they do the same thing.
	There's hundreds of people that were involved peripherally in the JFK and the RFK cases that were all snuffed because they were in witnesses.
	Yeah, Dorothy made the huge mistake of talking about what she was going to publish before she published.
	Do it the other way around, Dorothy, and you'd still be with us here today.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, true.
	Lauren, yeah, further thoughts of yours.
	I'm so glad to have you here.
	Well, thank you.
	Yeah, I'm very honored.
	I have to say again, Jim, to be talking with you.
	No, I mean, other thoughts, well, you know, in my book, I started with the RFK.
	I think it's also interesting to start with RFK's assassination in 1968 because he was supposedly shot by a Palestinian anti-Israel PASI.
	So that's already another signature.
	Who in the world would have interest to choose a PAXI with such a profile?
	Right.
	That's, you know, it was a security guard who was accompanying him, shot him from an inch and a half behind the right ear, kept firing as he fell.
	Bobby grabbed his tie, and you can find his tie clasp lying on the pantry floor.
	Lauren, I think it was Tom Mankowitz who had Bobby go out through the pantry.
	He's supposed to exit through the general.
	So I think Mankowitz was Jewish and working for Israel and set him up.
	And Sirhan, yeah, absolutely.
	It was just a distraction.
	He was a decoy.
	He was a Patsy, just as was Leos Walden, James, Earl Ray for Barton.
	And you know, sorry.
	Yeah.
	After 9-11, I remember there were new couple of new books about Siran Siran.
	They wanted to present him as the pioneer or the forerunner of Islamic terrorism in America.
	You know, so you know, who are we supposed to be?
	How dumb.
	Some of this is so insulting.
	Yeah.
	Especially, yeah.
	So on the order of the Speaker of the House saying that Trump was involved with Epstein because he was an FBI undercover.
	Give me gag me with a spoon.
	I mean, that is so ridiculous.
	Yeah, Joe, go ahead, but unmute first.
	Yeah.
	RFK Jr. went out and testified in Siran Siran's parole hearing and said that he should be released.
	He had extensive interviews with him.
	And now, RFK is being marginalized for his Make America Healthy Again by the team that's surrounding Trump, which includes Susie Wiles as a head gatekeeper, but she says by Stephanie Spears and Matt Beckman.
	So basically, Trump lives in this bubble and he's surrounded himself with little bubble people like bubble boy Rubio.
	And so that's where he's getting his information.
	Them and that ledger from South Carolina, Limp C. Graham.
	What a complete piece of POS.
	Yeah, it's disgusting that we have this puck.
	We agree.
	Lord, what's our French take on American foreign policy today?
	I mean, is everyone aghast?
	I mean, I'm just fascinated to hear.
	I mean, French mainstream news now are completely, you know, the same, doing the same work as the American mainstream news.
	So French people are not informed at all.
	It used to be not like this before around 2004.
	You know, for in 2003, I remember 2003, 2004, French mainstream news media were strongly critical of American involvement in Iraq.
	But now it's completely different.
	So people are so poorly informed in France.
	It's, you know, so I kind of say, of course, there is always this 15% or hopefully 20% of people who know that everything they hear on TV is a lie, but that's still a minority.
	So in general, people are not very much aware of what's going on.
	Oh, you want to add?
	See, I think the Venezuela thing has calmed down because Russia is giving them the S-400, the anti-ship missiles.
	I think Maduro can sink any ship and any flotilla that we send down there.
	So your thoughts, but on mute first.
	On mute first, of course.
	Go ahead, Joe.
	Yeah, well, we also have to remember in 1964, LBJ staged the fake Gulf of Tonkin, and then in 1967, he staged the fake Mediterranean version of Gulf of Tonkin, which is USS Liberty.
	So they're not object to blowing up one of our own boats and blaming it on somebody else.
	So they'll probably pull that stunt again with Venezuela.
	But as far as an invasion and overthrow, look at the Nobel Prize we gave to this warmonger that's saying, you need to invade Venezuela and kill several million people so I can be president.
	It's like, yeah, absolutely crazy.
	And don't underestimate the nefarious behavior of these people.
	There's nothing that they won't do.
	And the Israelis have the same thing called the Samson option, which if it looks like one of your IDF soldiers is going to be captured and used as a bargaining chip, kill them.
	If it's civilians, kill them.
	It doesn't matter if they're Jewish or not.
	Everybody's expendable except the top of the pyramid over there.
	And that's the way the Jewish hierarchy operates.
	So they got no respect for any human life, you know.
	And they need to have a new war.
	This is going to be wag the dog, you know, whatever number it is.
	It's past counting at this point because they pulled this stuff repeatedly.
	Well, it seems to me Iran is bristling with all kinds of weapons it didn't have before.
	And Israel would make a calamitous mistake were it to attack again with or without U.S. help.
	That Venezuela is fortified now and that the U.S. would blunder if we sought to attack Venezuela.
	My God, they got an 8 million man militia.
	they've already been handing out the rifles.
	I mean, look, I was a Marine Corps officer, but 4,000 Marines versus 8 million militia.
	It's not going to be a fair fight.
	And Ukraine seems to have crumbled if the reports we have of Zelensky having fled.
	I think that the hotspots are settling down.
	Israelis are still slaughtering Palestinians.
	I think there's been a dramatic reduction in the threat of global thermonuclear war.
	Lauren, what would be your take?
	Well, I think Israel is extremely dangerous, you know, because they are in a situation.
	They have a habit to promote war.
	World wars is what they like in order to advance their agenda.
	Through World War I, they got the Balfour Declaration.
	Through World War II, they got their country.
	So they've been pushing for World War III and World War IV because they consider the Cold War as World War III, because in 1967, they doubled their territory.
	So that's a very dangerous situation.
	But on the other hand, I'm becoming more and more hopeful as I see the BRICS getting organized, China becoming so militarily strong and getting more and more involved in trying to prevent NATO from destroying other nations.
	So I think Venezuela will be a test whether America can try to topple Maduro or not.
	But I'm quite hopeful that they cannot do much at this moment.
	I think even China will not let it happen.
	At least that's my hope.
	I don't know.
	I don't know anything.
	But one thing I wanted to say about USS Liberty, because I think it's really true.
	I forgot to mention that point.
	But that's the key to link Lyndon Johnson and Israel, of course.
	And there's debate whether Israel did it and then Lyndon Johnson covered them up or even possibly the opposite scenario.
	Philip Nelson was kind of promoting the opposite scenario.
	Set the ship over the to be attacked to blame on it Egypt so he could nuke Cairo.
	I think that was a master plan.
	Lord, I can't.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I can't thank you enough for being here, Joe.
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