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	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the raw deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B this 27th day of October 2025, joined by co-host Joe Olson.
	We begin with a very fine piece from responsible statecraft that Trump needs to dump the cycle fence on Ukraine and Venezuela.
	While diplomats labored to produce the Dayton Accords in 1995, then Secretary of Defense Bill Perry advised, no agreement is better than a bad agreement.
	Given that Washington's allies in London, Paris, Berlin, and Warsaw are opposed to any outcome that might end the war in Ukraine.
	No agreement may be preferable.
	But for President Trump, there's no point in equating the illusion of peace in Ukraine with a meaningless ceasefire that settles nothing.
	Today, Ukraine is mired in corruption, starting at the very highest levels of the administration in Kiev.
	Sending $175 billion of borrowed money there for however long it takes has turned out to be worse than reckless.
	U.S. national sovereign debt is surging to nearly $38 trillion, rising by $425 billion with each passing month.
	President Trump needs to turn his attention away from funding Joe Biden's wars and instead focus on the faltering American economy.
	President Trump should make it clear that the Biden administration to help build a Ukrainian military establishment designed to wage a fensive war against Russia, rather than engage in the diplomacy necessary to avoid it before 2022, was a serious strategic error.
	Washington's European allies are fundamentally wrong.
	When they insist that Moscow had no right to challenge an existential threat from NATO on its border, without the decade-long project of transferring technology, advice, and cash to Ukraine, the threat to Russia and Ukraine might have never emerged.
	President Trump's recent decision to re-examine the wisdom of shipping tomahawks for use in Ukraine is established in the right direction, just as Washington has legitimate interests in Mexico and the Caribbean basin.
	It's time for Washington to recognize Moscow's legitimate national security interests in regard to Ukraine and NATO member states in its own backyard.
	It's also time for Europe and the U.S. to realize that stability in the region is of everyone's interest, and that means not encouraging through endless wars a failed state in Ukraine.
	Joe, I'd like your thoughts.
	Needless to say, Russia didn't want this.
	Russia entered Ukraine to protect the Russian-friendly Russian speakers, native Russians, and the Donbass, who had been subjected to artillery attacks since the coup overthrew the Russian-friendly government of Ukraine in 2014 and then replaced it with a neo-Nazi Western puppet regime of which Zelensky is the successor.
	Your thoughts, Joe.
	Yeah, well, it was Joe Biden's war until January 20th, 2025.
	And then every day since it's been Donald Trump's war, the guy's an absolute idiot.
	And in addition to the war there and the war that he's planning in Venezuela, we also have the nutty Yahoo, who's just an absolute rabid dog, carrying on war against Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen, Qatar, Syria, Iraq, and he wants to go into Iran.
	But just to bring up a point about the Tomahawk missiles, in April of 2017, just months into his first term in office, the UN White Helmets staged a fake gas attack in Syria, and Ivanka came in and said, Daddy, they found a dead baby in Syria.
	You need to buy a son.
	And so he fired 59 missiles in April of 2017.
	Most of them were aimed at the Sharat Air Force Base, which was occupied by Russia.
	But Russia had been prepared for that.
	And because the Tomahawk missiles were employed by the United States in 1983, they cost $2 million a POP now.
	And the Russians have had plenty of time to figure out how they work.
	They used electronic warfare and knocked down all 39 that were aimed at their Air Force base.
	Well, then the next year, April of 2018, they staged another fake gas attack.
	And this time he launched 103 Tomahawks, of which 71 were knocked down by electronic warfare.
	So Russia is plenty prepared for this.
	And Iran is plenty prepared for anything that the United States and Israel can throw at them at this point.
	And any one of these things is a slippery slope to nuclear armageddon.
	And there's a great little interview with Tucker Cross and a nuclear PhD physicist called Launch One, Wipe Out All of Humanity.
	And I'll put the YouTube link to that in the show notes.
	It's about a two-hour long interview.
	She has an Eastern European accent, which is a little tedious to listen to.
	But the bottom line is she's saying the same thing that Annie Jacobson said.
	Once you start launching nuclear missiles, you're like 70 minutes away from having a worldwide Holocaust because it'll be nuclear winter for all of us.
	Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
	Meanwhile, with regard to Venezuela, Maduro has boasted he's moved thousands of Russian anti-air missiles to Venezuela's coast.
	I'll bet he's got a lot of anti-ship missiles as well.
	Venezuela's president had been warning that his armed forces have deployed 5,000 Russian-made Ingla-S anti-aircraft missiles across its territory.
	At a moment, President Trump has ordered an unprecedented force buildup in the Caribbean.
	Any military force in the world knows the power of the EGLA-S, and Venezuela has no less than 5,000, Maduro said, during a television address to military personnel.
	The Pentagon confirmed Friday it has redirected a carrier strike group from the Mediterranean to the Southern Command of Operation to join the significant amount of warships already patrolling waters off Venezuela's coast.
	On Friday, Trump was asked about recent Maduro offered everything his country, all the natural resources to ease tensions with Washington.
	Raucus itself has denied these reports.
	But contradicting the denial, Trump said at the White House that Maduro had offered everything because he doesn't want to F around with the United States.
	We can say the Venezuelan military continues to deploy additional arms to its coast in anticipation of possible U.S. military action.
	Trump has said land targets are an option on the table.
	It's unknown whether Venezuela's military actually has thousands of those systems.
	The weapon is typically compared to the U.S. Stinger missile, as it can hit low-flying aircraft, drones, and helicopters at ranges reach a little less than four miles.
	Here we have Maduro ordering all Russian arms to the coast.
	Deploy all forces.
	105 millimeter armored artillery, 107 millimeter rocket launchers, aerospace defense with the ZU-23, IGLAS, ATEI, and buck systems to guarantee the sovereignty of our airspace.
	We will also employ the N1 amphibious armored vehicles assigned to the 1st Infantry Brigade of our Bolivarian League, all the units of our Bolivarian National Guard.
	I think Maduro's a serious guy.
	I think he's prepared for this.
	They have a militia estimated at 4 million members in Venezuela, Joe.
	I'm sure they're willing to fight fiercely against the American imperialist invaders.
	Your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, Venezuela had a U.S.-friendly right-wing dictator for decades, and they had problems getting the United States to buy their petroleum products because it's a real heavy crude oil.
	And so it takes a special amount of refining.
	And as long as we had light crude that we could take out of West Texas and Alaska, we weren't going to be messing around with any of that.
	So United States refineries wouldn't take Venezuelan oil.
	So Venezuela bought a U.S. refinery, started marketing their own product, and rather than sell it wholesale, they ended up opening retail outlets.
	And they had like a thousand Sitco stations all across the southern part of the United States, which were owned by Venezuela.
	So when Chavez took over, the United States said, well, this is a left-wing communist government.
	We need to sanction these Sitco stations and this Sitco refinery because they're, you know, not honoring all of our agreements.
	And so bottom line is they ended up taking them to court.
	They put enough sanctions on them that they finally got a judge to do a default judgment and steal all of their invested assets in the United States.
	And that was like the year 2000.
	So this shit's been going on forever.
	And when this subject came up under the current administration of Trump, Duran ran an article on it and an interview on it.
	And I didn't write down the information on it until a couple of days later.
	And I thought, well, I'll just do a Google search.
	I pulled it up, Google search.
	Duran, U.S. attacks Venezuela.
	And sure enough, in 2017, Trump also attacked Venezuela.
	And it was Maduro then.
	But then when you start reading the article, they said that they had several hundred S-300 missile defense systems, but those missile defense systems had been placed there in 2008 under the Obama administration.
	So apparently, at least once every decade, we got to start kicking the can around down in South America just to show how tough we are.
	And we just rigged the election and Millay in Argentina won, but only 68% of the people voted because it was a pretty low attendance because they knew that if they didn't let Millay have the elected office, quote, the elected office, that the United States was not going to give them the 20 to 40 billion dollars payoff that it was going to take to keep their country afloat for another couple of months.
	So it's insane.
	The whole thing's insane.
	No foreign policy at all.
	This man has is illiterate in history.
	Not to dispute the thrust of your remarks, but 68% is actually a high percentage.
	When I was residing in Duluth, that city had the highest voter turnout in the United States, and Joe was 70%.
	So 68% is actually a good turnout, not a bad that they election.
	It's not a previous standards.
	I'm just telling you what Duran said this morning.
	I haven't studied every Argentinian election, but apparently they have a lot higher participation in previous ones.
	Interesting.
	Meaning they're better at turning out for elections than our Americans.
	I suppose that shouldn't be surprising.
	Meanwhile, Larry Johnson and Girl Williamson are worried the world is on the brink of World War III.
	from the truth seeker let's hear what they have to say everybody today's friday october 24th 2025 And our dear friends, sorry for that.
	Our friends, Colonel Wilkerson and Larry Johnson are back with us.
	Welcome back.
	Hey, and you got the shirt.
	You got the win for the shirt today.
	I couldn't wear it in Moscow.
	Too cold.
	Let me start with what's going on with the case of sanctions, new sanctions on Russia.
	And we've heard two different comments, one from the not that much different, two sort of, you know, two aspects, two different angles of the reaction to the sanctions.
	One from Vladimir Putin.
	And here is what he said about sanctions.
	Now, regarding the new sanctions, first of all, there is nothing new here.
	Yes, they are of a serious nature for us.
	Of course, this is understandable.
	And they will have certain consequences.
	But still, they will not significantly affect our economic well-being.
	This, of course, is an attempt to put pressure on Russia, but no self-respecting country and no self-respecting people ever decided anything under pressure.
	And of course, Russia has such a privilege to feel and consider itself on this list of self-respecting countries and peoples.
	The other point was what Medvedev said: that he said that the United States is our enemy and their talkative peacemaker, he's talking about Donald Trump, has now fully taken the path, taken up the path of war with Russia.
	Larry, you are in Russia.
	What's going on in Russia?
	What is happening in terms of the new escalation?
	They're like somebody sitting at a ping-pong match, watching the same player play himself, Donald Trump, going back and forth.
	Look, I don't know if you know Stanislav Karpivnik Stas was a major in the U.S. Army.
	He had moved to the United States as a child, went to, I think, North Carolina State as an ROTC, and then joined the U.S. Army, served and rose to the rank of major American citizen.
	But he actually read the sanctions, and as he pointed out, he goes, basically, what the sanctions are, is he said, this is the Department of Treasury saying that these two oil companies, if they own any property in the United States, the U.S. is going to seize the assets.
	Well, they don't own any property in the United States.
	Then, on top of it, what Trump's sanctions have done is raise the price of oil.
	Guess what?
	That helps Russia.
	It doesn't hurt Russia.
	You know, so they get to sell their oil for more money, not less.
	So this is more like political theater by Donald Trump.
	It appears to be something important, but it's not.
	And the reality for Russia is this: if you built a wall around Russia, stopped all trade with the rest of the world, the Russian economy would be just fine.
	They don't need it.
	Right now, 15% of their gross domestic product comes from the sale of oil, and that will continue.
	So this is just the United States shooting itself in the foot.
	Colonel, today I received an email from Martin Armstrong.
	He says that the world is on the brink of World War III.
	It's not just Martin Armstrong.
	Yesterday I talked with Richard Wolf and Michael Hodson.
	They have the same sort of feeling.
	And where are we, in your opinion?
	You might as well cite a number of other people too, including John Mearsheimer.
	We are as close to regional war as we've been a long time.
	And I don't mean just a minor regional war, I mean a big one.
	And that is as close to two regions, both Central Europe and Southwest Asia.
	And that war has an aptitude, if you will, for expanding into a global war that's quite pregnant.
	We're in a situation that's bad, in other words.
	And both theaters, and of course, a regional expanding into a global war have the potential, probably, I think, as much so as 1962 and even more so 1961 in Berlin as those two nuclear crises to go nuclear.
	And there are many players in this game now.
	There were only two in 1962 and 1961, the Soviet Union and the United States.
	You can say Cuba in October of 62, but wasn't a main player.
	Fidel Castro would have loved to have been a main player, but he really wasn't.
	And the results taught him that he wasn't.
	But today, you have a number of players in it, featuring such countries as Pakistan, such countries as Israel, and of course the two giants, and backing all that up, China.
	You've got a lot of nuclear weapons out there.
	You've got no treaties, the only vestige of one going in February of next year.
	And you've got all this turmoil going on where there are armed powers, nuclear armed powers participating.
	This is something we would have never allowed to happen during the Cold War.
	Never.
	Larry, looking at what, just zooming out a little bit, what has happened during the conflict in Ukraine, Joe Biden, you remember when he was asked about the tanks to be sent to Ukraine, said that would be World War III.
	They sent tanks, they said cluster bombs, fighter jets, everything, everything so far.
	The last thing that they're talking about is tomahawk missiles.
	And it seems those people who are concerned about these sort of escalations that may break out and bring a big war, a big war between Russia and the United States, they have some legitimate points in their sort of view because we are skipwalking in that direction.
	Yeah.
	If the United States deploys tomahawks, which I don't think they will, and I don't think they can.
	It's not like they got a bunch of them in the warehouse ready to roll them out.
	That would be crossing a red line.
	That is the one thing I've heard this week.
	You know, I've spoken to more than 27 senior Russian officials, at least five members of the Duma, four different military officers, two different war correspondents, prominent analysts who look at the United States, monitor NATO, et cetera, economists.
	I even spoke with one of the most famous rock musicians in Russia, Vadim.
	And I got to speak with Volvon and Lexis, you know, the two pranksters, two people who call up and do all the prank phone calls.
	Those two guys are hilarious, okay?
	But the one common theme is the Russians take very seriously that if the United States escalates to a tomahawk missile, then we're into a new territory.
	And because Russia is not going to back down off of that, that will be really sort of the first red line that the U.S. will have crossed.
	Now, that said, listening to Trump's last remarks, I don't think they're going to do it.
	I think they do understand.
	And the rationale is that the potential in the past of those weapons, you know, the Tomahawks carrying a nuclear warhead is such that the Russians are going to have to assume that if any of those are launched, it's carrying a nuclear warhead.
	They will respond appropriately.
	And so that's what I mean it could cross into a red line.
	But it is, it's just sort of stupid of Trump to talk this way.
	I couldn't agree more stupid of Trump to talk this way, Joe.
	Trump says a lot of really stupid things.
	I like your points about the Tomahawks having been shot down because that means they really don't represent the threat Trump may mistakenly believe they represent.
	Your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, in July of 2018, you and I and 26 other authors were asked to send a memorandum to the president on 9-1-1 on 9-11 because that's what he promised during his campaign in 2016 that he was going to release all the files on.
	And by 2018, he still hadn't honored that agreement.
	So we sent that message.
	But the crazy thing was we had 28 authors.
	The requirements that Robert David Steele got from members of the cabinet were that Trump would not read anything that was more than two pages long, and it had to have a picture.
	He wouldn't even look at it.
	So that's what we've got is a narcissistic megalomaniac who is semi-literate.
	And most likely he had somebody do all of his homework to get his Wharton degree in economics because he doesn't understand that.
	And basically, he's just a ringleader in a circus.
	And he surrounded himself with nothing but clowns.
	He's had the worst HR department in the history of the presidency in his first term, and he's repeated the same mistake in his second term.
	So, when you got somebody that can't read more than 800 words, you know that he's never read a freaking book and he's never had to do any serious study on anything involving history or science.
	And so, basically, he just thinks that, you know, because he managed to get re-elected, that he's omnipotent and that he automatically knows everything.
	And he automatically is allowed to judge every other leader in the world and all of their motives and disguise the motives that are actually operating in the United States.
	It's disgusting.
	Yes, yes, indeed, indeed.
	Plus, we have a situation here where now Putin has revealed a new nuclear-powered cruise missile, We shall return right after this break.
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	now we return you to your host jim we got dead air time
	I think what you wanted to talk about was the Briveskik nuclear-powered cruise missile, which they claim has an unlimited mileage range.
	This is a cruise missile that they just recently tested, and it has a 1,500-kilometer range, and it was able to do that in 14 hours without having refueling.
	And they said it's like capable of evading any type of air defense system that exists in the world today.
	And that's the B-U-R-E-V-E-S-T-N-I-K, in case my Russian pronunciation is not correct.
	So, bottom line is Russia continues to do the military RD that we no longer do in our industry because everything is a complete total monopoly.
	And they have a no-bid cost-plus arrangement with the Pentagon so that no matter how much anything costs, they're still making 20% profit on everything they do.
	And all of this is controlled by the group, Carlisle Group, which is a limited stockholder coalition that actually owns and operates all of the Pentagon contracts.
	So, bottom line is just did a little brief discussion on the Briveznik nuclear-powered cruise missile, Jim.
	Yes.
	Yes, Joe, which Putin has revealed Russia now possesses.
	It's nuclear-powered.
	The successful tests of Russia's Brysnik nuclear-powered cruise missile on October 21st represents the most significant shift in the global strategic balance since the advent of the international intercontinental ballistic missile.
	This is not a mere incremental advance in weapon technology, but a fundamental rupture in the logic of modern warfare and deterrence.
	The Brezhnev, with a demonstrated capacity for a 14,000-kilometer, 15-hour flight, renders the entire post-Cold War U.S. investment in missile defense past President Plant obsolete.
	His weapon system, described by President Putin as unique, unlike anything else in the world, successfully operationalized a concept long considered a technological fantasy.
	A low-flying, indefinitely loitering nuclear-armed cruise missile is the physical embodiment of an asymmetrical warfare doctrine designed explicitly to bypass and negate American technological superiority.
	As articulated by former U.S. Army officer Stanovlov, Krablovank in a strategic communication via RT.
	The functions as the ultimate second strike weapon, forcing the United States to defend its entire territory simultaneously and indefinitely, a task that is logistically impossible and financially catastrophic.
	Joe, this is a truly fascinating development.
	Give us your further thoughts.
	Yeah, well, they've also developed and deployed a drone submarine system that has nuclear warheads.
	It's capable of doing an underwater explosion and cause a tidal tsunami, which they claim could be 100 feet high that would wipe out the whole entire East Coast.
	Just a couple of those going off could wipe out the entire East Coast of the United States.
	So they're not fooling around.
	And anybody in the defense intelligence agency that's claiming that Putin is bluffing is playing a really stupid game because he doesn't need to bluff.
	He's got the military capability of backing up everything that he's doing, and we don't.
	And so bottom line is the bluff is going to stop here.
	Trump has no Trump cards.
	Well, what he has done, and I think this is a rather meaningless gesture, is warned Putin of a nuclear sub just off the shore of Russia and brags about flying Chernobyl missile.
	President Trump issued a warning to Vladimir Putin Monday aboard Air Force One saying they know we have a nuclear submarine, the greatest in the world, right off their shore, after the Russian leader boasted about testing a new invincible nuclear-powered missile dubbed the Flying Chernobyl.
	But, Joe, our nuclear subs are well known.
	There's nothing new here.
	Pardon me.
	Nothing new here.
	Plus, Russia has these super silent anti-sub trackers.
	And every one of our nuclear subs, I'm quite confident, is being tracked by one of these Russian super silent stealth sub-killers.
	So this really doesn't pose an increased threat to Russia, of which they were previously unaware.
	Thus, I regard this as a rather meaningless gesture on the part of Trump.
	Your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, that's what happens when you get all your information from the rigged MIC no-bid contract system, because they will do nothing but blow in your ear and tell you that we've got the best systems in the world, nobody can touch us.
	But the problem is that what's going on in Ukraine and what has previously gone in other theaters, particularly in Syria, is that Russia has been able to prove the capability of their offensive and defensive weapon systems that are superior to ours.
	And so, how much more of this bullshit is Trump going to continue to spew out?
	Because he's got to quit digest and he's got to say, I'm getting my information from the wrong sources.
	And if Tulsi Gabbard can't tell him the truth, then he needs to find somebody around him that will.
	And he needs to stop listening to the Keenan Kellogg brand of warmongers.
	And Rubio, what a bunch of clowns.
	They're horrible people.
	Yeah, I find it embarrassing too.
	Very, very, oh, I think you're right on.
	Meanwhile, it turns out there are more than 100 of these BSL-4 bioweapon labs operating worldwide with others in construction, zero hedge reports.
	One of the reasons for Putin's intervention in Ukraine was to eliminate these bioweapons, some of which were working on designing Russian DNA-specific weapons to kill the Russian population.
	Over the past few years, the world has entered a new era of high-containment biological research, marked by a dramatic expansion of laboratories capable of working with the most lethal viruses known to man.
	These include facilities built to the highest biosafety standard, biosafety level four.
	They carry not only the broken promise of defending us from pandemics, but the danger of enabling bioweapon creation, whether by accident or deliberate misuse.
	Strikingly, a May 2025 Journal of Public Health study found that more than 90% of the countries with at least one BSL-3 lab lack oversight or regulation of dual-use research of concern.
	Dual-use research refers to experiments that can be used for good, for example, the alleged drug development, but also for harm by creating a bio weapon.
	The Journal of Public Health study aimed to investigate the worldwide distribution of BSL-3 and BSL-4 labs.
	Alarmingly, it found no international organization as a comprehensive register or global oversight of biosafety level three or bio safety level four labs.
	Different countries use different standards for designation of pathogens and laboratories.
	More than 90% of the countries with at least one BSL-3 lab have no oversight regulations regarding dual-use research.
	Joe, that's extremely troubling.
	Your thoughts.
	Well, this is something that's been planned for a very, very long time.
	The very first pandemic tabletop exercise that I've discovered so far was called Dark Winter.
	And this was in June of 2001.
	And it was done by John Hopkins and the Rockefeller Foundation.
	And they said, we need to plan for another pandemic because we know one's coming.
	Well, they had planned on using the most deadly influenza in the world, and that would be the Spanish flu from 1918.
	And in about 2002, we managed to decode the human genome.
	And at that point, we knew how our immune system supposedly worked pretty well.
	And they said, well, next thing we needed to do is dig up some dead soldiers from 1918 and verify what the deadliest pandemic in the history of the planet was.
	60 million people supposedly died.
	Well, my grandmother lost her mother, father, and 10-year-old brother in 1918 to the Spanish flu.
	And she never made a big deal about growing up as an orphan.
	And she never made a big deal about anything other than vaccines are wonderful and they would save all of us.
	And so she was a real big vaccine pusher.
	And I never did understand that.
	But bottom line is when they did the genome on the smallpox vaccine, turns out it was the common N1H1 vaccine, which further investigation proved was the same one that had hit the United States in 1890 and it also then in the 30s.
	And then there was another one called the Russian flu in 1957, which was the same N1H1 influenza.
	So basically, it was the response of the Wilson administration that caused the 2018 Spanish flu epidemic because he wouldn't allow any publication of it.
	I read a great book by John M. Berry called The Great Influenza.
	It's 400 pages long with 50 pages of bibliography, which is the way you judge a good book.
	And I had read three quarters of the book when I realized that I need to read the whole book again once I got finished with it, because the first three quarters of the book, I had misconceptions from how I'd been taught growing up about the influenza that were completely wrong.
	So that is the only book in my whole life that I read cover to cover twice without putting it down because I wanted to understand how the hell they did it.
	And the only other book I've read four times is The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich because I never expected to get a different ending.
	It's 1500 pages long by William Scheier, who was a Chicago Tribune reporter and later a CBS radio reporter during the war.
	Spoke German and French and was on site when Chamberlain came out of the meeting with Hitler and said, I've got peace in our time.
	He was at the PUC revolt in Bavaria.
	He was at every key thing.
	He was at the signing of the surrender by the French in this very same rail car, and he reported it live on CBS radio.
	Absolutely incredible guy.
	But the problem is that over the course of time, you forget how the fascists in Germany were able to put this whole thing together.
	And that's the reason why I read the book multiple times was to be able to refresh my memory.
	Joe, let's expand on this a bit.
	Does Scheier focus on the damage done to Germany by the Treaty of Versailles from World War I?
	That, you know, they had compromised the German ability to restore a sound economy, that Hitler's rise The power is largely motivated by his having a plan to restore economic security to the German people.
	Does he focus on that?
	Or that Judea declared war on Germany, like in 1933, that it was really the international Jewish community that was attacking Germany politically, ideologically,
	in the international press long before Germany became a powerful military entity once again and engaged in warfare with other states.
	Does Schreier emphasize all of that?
	Of course not.
	Scheier was Jewish, which I didn't know when I read the book the first three times, but I did when I read it the fourth time, and I was able to look at it and go, wait a minute, a lot of this is propaganda because he really goes deep into the six million Jews were killed.
	But he also had access to 50,000 pages of classified war documents after the war.
	And that's when he wrote his book.
	And I've got like the 19th edition of it.
	And it was published in like 57.
	I think his first book came out around 47, 48, something like that.
	But he was an eyewitness to all that.
	But what he doesn't bother to tell you is that Reinhardt Galen, who was the head of the NK, I've got it written down in my notes, but I don't have it right handy.
	Let me see if I can find it real quick.
	No, I don't.
	I will put it in the comments section.
	But Reinhardt Galen was head of the German Secret Service during the war, but he had gone to the London School of Economics and got a one-year degree in economics.
	And his classmate was Alan Dulles.
	And after they both graduated from the London School of Economics, he went to Sullivan and Cromwell in New York City and worked as a lawyer for the stockbrokers in New York for two years.
	And then he went back to Germany and he was in charge of getting the $250 million in gold loan from the Rothschilds to put in Swiss banks to start the original Nazi miracle, along with over $100 million from U.S. corporations that was invested in German war industries.
	So you want to know how the miracle happened?
	While we were in a depression, American companies were spending hundreds of millions of dollars to create German war industries.
	So bottom line is this whole thing was totally planned.
	And after the war, Reinhardt Galen ended up being a NATO officer and in charge of the West German secret police until he died.
	So I'll put a little bit of those details.
	And this was something that I learned at the JFK conference like two years ago, which they're having another one again this year in Dallas.
	So if you can make it, that's where I met Jim in 2018.
	Very good, Joe.
	I do worry about the roll-up propaganda has become so enormous, especially in America today.
	I believe we are the most propagandized entity population in the world.
	Here we have an illustration: genocide evidence deleted from social media.
	You do.
	And what you're also beginning to see, and to link it back to the point you're making about control of social media and control of data, is you're beginning to see major social media platforms now deleting content, removing content off servers.
	So all of a sudden, the documentation that was being done during the genocide, right?
	All of that really important work is now at risk.
	People are trying to erase it off the internet as quickly as possible.
	Yeah, yep, absolutely.
	Erase it off the internet as quickly as possible.
	Turns out there's a hidden cost of the war for Israel.
	Over 125,000 Israelis have immigrated between 2022 and 2025.
	This is from the Times of Israel.
	More than 125,000 Israeli citizens have moved abroad between early 2022 and mid-2024, the country's largest ever loss of human capital in such a short period.
	According to a report presented on Monday to the Knesset Immigration and Absorption Committee, the report compiled by the Knesset Research and Information Center said Israel's war with Hamas and Gaza may have been a factor causing the number of Israelis leaving the country permanently to skyrocket during those years.
	You think other factors mentioned in a previous report in February, including the political unrest coming in mass protests against the government judicial overhaul plan, that's Bibi's overhaul of the Constitution and the rebel effects of the Russian-Ukrainian war, which were not explicitly mentioned.
	The trend is believed to have continued through 2025 as the war in Gaza has stretched on.
	Joe, I think even a lot of morally conscious Jews have recognized this is wrong and are abandoning Israel on that basis.
	Your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, they're alienating 90% of the countries in the whole planet.
	And you can see that by the people that walked out during their quote UN presentation and their abrasive behavior when they get abroad is causing a lot of countries to restrict them and then to deport them when they show up as tourists and misbehave.
	But we got to look at where the main problem is going to be for the Jews, and that is the treatment that China received during the opium wars, which started with the conquest of the opium production region in northern India in 1760 and continued until the final boxer revolution in 1910.
	The Western countries occupied 40 different ports along rivers inside China and imported opium.
	The major factor in that was the Sassoon family.
	And I'll put a link to a video about them.
	Pretty interesting, but they are probably the second wealthiest and they operated as a subsidiary with Rothschild.
	And both of those were run through the British and Dutch East India companies.
	They did slavery, they did arms trade, and they created the international drug racketeering market.
	And they still have connections to that to this day.
	Yes, yes.
	Yes.
	Very good, Joe.
	Meanwhile, Phil Giraldi reports on a nation of war, meaning the United States, where the peace president prefers creating lots of enemies.
	Giraldi's very smart.
	This is from moons.com.
	We are nine months into the Donald Trump presidency, and the road ahead seems pretty clear.
	There is an unsustainable trillion-dollar Pentagon budget supporting a newly renamed Department of War, and Washington is engaging conflicts that could escalate in Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa.
	If it were possible to stage a bellicose incident near or in Antarctica, that would also no doubt become a target.
	Just as the Arctic region is currently playing into fantasies involving Greenland and Canada, Trump has never stopped talking to friendly neighbor Canada about trade relations over an ad he did not like.
	And no doubt we'll be discussing invasion soon.
	And let's not forget the conflict here at home, where Trump is citing the Insurrection Act regularly, signaling his intention to expand the already existing use of the military to carry out law enforcement functions in America's states and cities, something that is of questionable legality under the Posse Comitatus Act.
	That has been my view for some time.
	The supreme irony is that all of these conflicts have been unnecessary, involving, as they do, countries and entire geographic regions that in no way threaten either the United States or what were once referred to as its vital interests, except insofar as those interests have been grossly and one might suggest criminally misrepresented.
	That is what we're witnessing right now, as what appears to be fishermen are being murdered by U.S. forces, positioned in the international waters of the Caribbean Sea and Pacific Ocean.
	In the latest incident involving sinking a Colombian vessel and killing two crewmen in the Pacific, Colombia's president, Gustav Petro, denounced the crime and was in turn called a thug by Trump, who once again has demonstrated his skill at diplomacy.
	Trump has also warned that the war on nano-narco-terrorists might well shift from the sea to on land in the country's being targeted, meaning they'll be invaded with the intention of regime change.
	Joe, this is all so awful.
	Your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, he's fixing to get come up because the Supreme Court is going to review the tariff that he's trying to pass by executive order.
	And he does not have the constitutional right to do that the same way he doesn't have the constitutional right to dictate that you have to be a U.S. citizen.
	That is Article 1.
	I've got it written down, but anyhow, Article 1, Section 4, Clause Number 1, state legislatures determine the voting requirements for the public citizens in federal elections.
	And so he has no authority to make dictations about executive order on that.
	And he doesn't have any executive order on placing tariffs on other countries.
	That's, again, a function of the Article 2, which is the legislative branch of the Constitution.
	So he's off by a lot on that.
	And he's also being caught out because China said, well, if you're going to put sanctions on us, we're just going to put sanctions on rare earth elements, which the United States no longer because we've got a completely vulture capital break.
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	Well, Joe, there are certainly other issues we could be addressing here, including that Israel and U.S. that geoengineering company Stardust is going to begin blocking the sun with airborne chemicals as soon as April of next year.
	This is rather stunning, Joe.
	It's going to threaten the existence of life on Earth.
	Blocking the sun, evolution is a very complicated, complex process.
	And if you alter a fundamental variable like the amount of sunlight reaching Earth, it could have catastrophic effects.
	Your thoughts.
	Yeah, and it's all based on the false science that carbon dioxide can capture, store, redirect, or amplify radiant energy photons moving at the speed of light.
	It's absolutely insane.
	You and I did a nine-part tutorial, which I wish we could incorporate all of those under a single heading at BitShoot so I could refer people there and have all nine of those programmed that we really need to do that because I don't have a listing of them at this point, but I do have several of them.
	I'll put a couple of those in the comments so that people can see what somebody who actually took two semesters of thermodynamics and the prerequisites for was four semesters of chemistry, two semesters of physics, three semesters of calculus, and then a special calculus for thermodynamics called Numerical Methods, and then two semesters of thermodynamics.
	And I've attended the Heartland Summit out in Las Vegas in 2014 with 600 claimed skeptics on global warming, but all of them were what I classified as lukewarmist because they said, well, yeah, carbon dioxide does warm a little bit.
	No, it doesn't.
	It's impossible.
	Anything with a temperature over zero degrees Kelvin emits electromagnetic radiation.
	You at 98.6 emit in the 10 micron range.
	You cannot take a mirror and reflect your own 10 micron energy that's outgoing back on your body and raise your body temperature because heat transfer is a vector only going from a higher to a lower.
	So if it's not hotter, then it can't warm it.
	And the whole atmosphere is based on the lapse rate, which is a decrease in temperature as you go up in altitude.
	It's three degrees centigrade, four degrees Fahrenheit for every thousand foot of altitude universally.
	That applies in the poles.
	It applies in the Sahara desert.
	It applies over the ocean.
	It's absolutely a constant in atmospheric behavior of radiation within the atmosphere.
	And no place in the atmosphere is warmer than the place on the ground, except under certain rare conditions, which is called advection.
	When you have a front that moves in, but it doesn't have the capability of, even though it has a warmer air mass, it doesn't have the capability of instantly warming the ground because there again, you have the heat transfer coefficient of Earth and oceans being a hell of a lot different than atmosphere.
	So bottom line is everything involved with the global warming hoax is a 100% scientific lie and we can prove it.
	But the problem is we don't have a platform to stand on to deal with these people in an equitable basis.
	And I've been writing about this since my first article at InfoWars in April of 2009 called Hoax of the Century.
	And I've got 60 articles at Canada Free Press on this similar subject.
	And I'm co-author of Slaying the Sky Dragon.
	And me and the other co-author, John O'Sullivan, created Principia Scientific, where I've got a bunch of articles about global warming and the green energy hoax at that site.
	So anyhow, yeah, it's an absolute 100% fraud.
	Joe, I wanted to invite you today to share with us whatever you think are the most pressing issues of our time that may be underreported in other venues.
	Would you like to take that opportunity?
	Sure.
	This is something else that you and I had discussed, but I didn't want to get involved in absolutely every tinfoil hat argument that there was out there.
	So until I got some additional information, I was skeptical about the Apollo mission even at the time that it happened.
	But after reading your book, Suppose We Didn't Go to the Moon Either, I wrote an article based on the NASA schematics.
	And you and I have done a bit shoot channel on this.
	Well, I'll go ahead and link to that because it's got a lot of this information where it's really easily accessible.
	But this is the actual information on the Saturn V rocket.
	And it shows the amount of fuel for each stage and the altitude it went to.
	The article's title is Perplexing Apollo Questions for NASA.
	And there again, it's printed at Principia Scientific.
	But just to go through their own particular information, the Saturn V rocket, stage one had 512,000 gallons of fuel.
	That raised the upper stages to 42-mile altitude with a speed of 5,330 miles per hour.
	Stage 2 had 340,000 gallons of fuel.
	And stage 2 lifted the final third stage up to an altitude of 115 miles and a speed of 15,300 miles per hour.
	The problem is that escape velocity for Earth is 25,000 miles per hour.
	If you don't go that fast, you can't leave Earth's gravity system.
	Stage 3 only had 86,130 gallons of fuel.
	So bottom line is they didn't have enough fuel to even get outside of Earth's gravitational pull, which is based on the mass of the Earth and the mass of the moon.
	And the Lagrange point, which is a point where the gravity is equal because the moon's gravity is one-sixth of Earth's, would be one-sixth of the 240,000 mile distance to the moon, which means that you'd have to go 180,000 miles against Earth's gravity before you entered moon's gravity.
	And then you'd have to have fuel to not overshoot the moon.
	And then you'd have to have fuel to be able to circle the moon, get the lander down on the surface of the moon, get the lander off of the moon, and then get back into the Lagrange point by overcoming the lunar gravity.
	And at that point, you would have to have an enormous amount of fuel to not have the acceleration from 180,000 miles of Earth's gravity overshooting the Earth at 200,000 miles per hour.
	It's absolutely physically impossible.
	NASA never has returned a single robot from the moon, although the first one to return with a sample was the Chung or Change, and it's spelled that way, but I don't think it's pronounced that way.
	Seven that was brought back in December of 2022 by China, and they brought back four pounds of material from the moon.
	So there's no way that we would have had more diapers full of astronaut crap to bring back.
	And then the next thing is you have lunar equatorial surface temperature and regolith profile.
	This is by Vasavande in its Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 717, issue 12.
	And the albedo and emission figure show that the temperature of the regolith, which is the lunar subsurface, is constant below 0.4 meters.
	So what happens is the moon is in geocentric orbit with the Earth.
	So the same side of the moon is always facing the Earth, no matter what phase the moon's in, which means that a lunar day lasts for 14 Earth days and a lunar night lasts for 14 Earth days.
	That during the lunar day, the equatorial temperature goes from 100 degrees Kelvin, which is minus 270 degrees Fahrenheit, to 400 degrees Kelvin, which is 260 degrees Fahrenheit.
	So the phase change between daylight and night is like a 12 less than a 12-hour interview because the emission only goes down to 0.4 meters.
	So it doesn't take any amount of time for the heated surface of the moon to radiate all of that heat out into space with no atmosphere to slow it down.
	And so bottom line is you have this enormous temperature flux, and there's no way that astronauts could be occupying the surface of the moon at 260 degrees Fahrenheit or at minus 280 degrees Fahrenheit.
	So bottom line is that's complete bullshit.
	But getting back to another further darker part of NASA's programming, this was produced by Truthstream Media, and it was a conference that NASA held on July 2001 called Future Wars 2025.
	And during that, they had 100 slides and they said the only way that we can have continuation of government is for there to be mass trauma-based mind control of the public.
	So back before we had the mass mind control of 911, we had NASA telling government employees, don't worry, we're going to have mass control of the public by trauma-based mind control.
	But when the trauma comes, you don't have to worry about it because your government employs and you'll be the ones that will be protected from all this shit.
	And that's the same thing that they did with the pandemic.
	The whole thing is just we've got this demonic government.
	There's no polite way of saying it.
	That's exactly what we're ruled by, is just these, you know, satanic demons.
	I wish it wasn't that way, but that's where we are.
	Joe, just for the sake of clarity, your argument about incapacity to escape Earth's atmosphere, because it would require an acceleration speed at 25,000 miles per hour that we could not obtain.
	And the limited fuel capacities and all that are in packaging all.
	But you are implying that China actually was able to undertake a successful unmanned mission to the moon and bring back samples.
	Please elaborate.
	Okay, well, if you're dealing with robots, then you don't have to have air and water and food and waste products and space requirements, you know, shielding for radiation.
	You can have minor amounts of that.
	So, bottom line is: if you're just sending a robot to the moon and the robot is able to pick up two kilograms, two kilograms of lunar material and then escape lunar's orbit and then get back to Earth, and then you don't have the same deceleration problems that you have with the human being where you can't go over so many Gs without your body passing out.
	And so, bottom line is, you could bring a sample back from the moon with a robot that you couldn't do with a manned spacecraft.
	When Musk is talking about taking his starship, his starship has 25% greater lift capacity than the Saturn V rocket, and he's going to pre-position eight loads of fuel at the Lagrange point,
	which is 1,200 tons of fuel, so that if he can make it to the Lagrange point, he'll have enough fuel to be able to enter orbit around the moon, land on the moon, get off of the moon, exit the moon's gravity, get back to the Lagrange point, and fill up with enough fuel to be able to overcome Earth's gravity because you can't just deploy a parachute when you're going 100,000 miles per hour and you would overshoot the Earth or you would crash into it like a meteorite.
	So, bottom line is Musk is doing the same physics that NASA didn't have to do in 1969 because they had Stanley Kubrick do their lunar missions for him.
	And he did a tape interview where he said it was the finest piece of work he ever did.
	He was embarrassed about it, but he said it paid really good.
	And he had previously done Space Odyssey 2001, I think, or 2000 space, whatever that movie was.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And that was released in 1968.
	So a year prior to the lunar landing, he'd already shown that he was capable of doing special effects that simulated gravity.
	And he had the HAL computer that was, you know, taking over things.
	And he had the monkeys jumping around in front of a monolith and everything that it took to be able to convince NASA that he was the one to do it.
	The funny thing is, last year, Sony Pictures produced a movie called Fly Me to the Moon with Scarlett Johansson.
	And she was one of the directors and one of the stars in it.
	She's really great, and it's a funny movie.
	And it's more accurate than the truth that you need to be told.
	I wish that Putin would release the Russian records on the Apollo mission because there, again, he would be able to prove what a deceptive government we have been dealing with for the last 50 years, you know, at least.
	Joe, this is all utterly fascinating.
	Isn't it the case that Musk claims to have a project to travel to Mars are pure fantasy, science fiction, even science fantasy, because they're not even in accord with the laws of physics?
	Well, if you're using traditional rocket thrust, then yeah, the fuel capabilities would be just enormous.
	There's certain technologies that we think we have.
	And I don't remember the name of it right now because it's still hypothetical.
	But the thing is, it's the velocity is a function of energy.
	And so anytime you can increase the velocity of the jet stream that's coming out.
	And so if you're streaming just particles, but they're going at a real high speed, you can theoretically accelerate something with a minimal amount of fuel load.
	And those, I don't remember what the name for it is right now because I didn't come prepared for doing the open discussion today.
	And you sent me a note right before the show sent you what you know off the top of your head far exceeds what the average American understands.
	So I don't want to accept any excuses here.
	You just go right ahead.
	Tell me again, Joe.
	Okay.
	I'm convinced that Bus claims his projects are utter fantasies.
	And I want to know even whether you believe there is an international space station out there about which so many Americans are skeptical.
	Well, you know, I'd have to say that if the Russians are sending their Soyuz spacecraft up to our space station on a repeated basis to supply food and rotate astronauts in and out of it, that I would trust that the Russian scientists are not lying about it.
	And so there probably is a space station up there, and there probably was one that fell out of the sky, the original Skylab or whatever it was called.
	And this one has reached the limit of its capabilities at this point as well.
	And the interesting thing is that if you have solar cells on Earth, this is a molecular erosion process where all you're doing is stripping an electron from one of the elements that's embedded in a silicon grid, which is what a solar cell is.
	And it's one-way current of direct energy, DC current, at one and a half watts per square foot and one and a half volts.
	So it's a real low production rate, but on Earth, they last about 20 years and then they're complete junk.
	In space, where they are able to orient to the sun for the majority of their circulating the planet because they're high enough above the earth that they're only in the darkness for a short period of time.
	And the rest of the time, they're able to orient their solar cells so they get maximum solar radiation.
	They have to replace the solar cells every seven years because they strip the available electrons off of it.
	This is not a renewable energy, and it takes over 100 times more energy to produce a single solar cell than you ever get out of a solar cell.
	Absolutely 100% fraud.
	And that's one of the things that we discuss in our series.
	And we really need to put those in one particular envelope at Bitch so they're really accessible.
	I want to do one more on proxy data because that's how they pull this hoax off is using ice cores and isotopes and all kinds of other stupid things, tree rings, which is just completely absurd.
	And once you see how they have manipulated the data on that, then it becomes pretty obvious that the whole thing is just a complete fraud.
	And it's the same thing that they use in other science frauds.
	So you have to understand that proxy data is just like proxy wars.
	It's not telling you the truth about anything.
	Joe, I'm a little unclear.
	The proxy data has been used to substantiate which claims.
	The global warming claims.
	The hockey stick that was carved by Michael Mann at University of Pennsylvania, which he claims he got the Nobel Peace Prize for, which is completely absurd because it was given to the IPCC, which is a UN organization with over 2,000 members, and he was just one of the contributors.
	So that in itself is a bit of a problem.
	But he was able to take tree ring data from three bristle cone pines in Northern California and say that this represented temperature of the world.
	And because the tree rings didn't show the little ice age, that meant that the little ice age didn't occur.
	And that took a bump out of the hockey stick, which made the hockey stick not work.
	If you got a big bump and little bumps along the hockey stick handle, and then all of a sudden you've got this arc that matches the increase in carbon dioxide, then you don't have a workable hockey stick.
	And he had to eliminate the medieval warming period and the little ice age in order to have a smooth hockey stick.
	So that's what he used these tree proxy rings for.
	And he used three trees to cover a hundred-year period of time to say that it was not a universal event.
	Well, the problem is there's a guy that wrote the hockey stick illusion in Drew Montford.
	And he said that the crazy thing is that temperature is not the number one determining factor for ring growth.
	Precipitation is.
	And the second thing is predation, which is diseases, insects, and grazing animals.
	The third is temperature.
	So you end up with a problem there.
	But then the next thing is temperature is a bell curve.
	So you have one ideal temperature, which is going to have your maximum tree ring growth based on temperature.
	But then on either side of it, you've got a lower or higher amount, which allows you as a quote scientist to be able to go, well, do I want this to show tree ring growth is a colder climate or a hotter climate?
	Well, if I want it to be hotter, then I'll put this for the little ice age.
	And then if I want it to be colder, I'll pick the other side of the bell curve for the warming periods.
	So bottom line is it's a completely manipulated data set.
	And tree rings are absolutely no indication.
	Further study of it showed that it is also very dependent on the orientation north, south, east, and west of the mountain ridges where these bristle cone pines grow.
	And then it's also dependent on the altitude.
	So, depending on how you go out and selectively pick your tree rings, you can create any data stream you want.
	And there again, it's just the number three determinant, and it certainly is not the overpowering determinant in gentroscopy or whatever they call that stupid science of tree ring.
	You know, it's good for certain comparative things, but there again, you get back to this stuff with carbon dating.
	Carbon-12 is created from nitrogen being ionized by the sun and knocking out a neutron.
	And so, that's how you end up with carbon-14.
	You start off with nitrogen-14, you knock off a neutron, and then it becomes carbon-14.
	And carbon-15 has like a 5,000-year half-life.
	But the crazy thing is, if you end up in an area like Antarctica, where you don't have a lot of photosynthesis at the bottom of the food chain, the krill and the trying to remember the name of it, the single-cell ocean animal life and plant life that feeds the whole entire ocean.
	In Antarctica, it's only fed off of natural gas, which has no carbon-14 in it.
	Natural gas is not formed by the same way, so it doesn't have carbon-14.
	You can take a fresh-killed seal in Antarctica and it will carbon date to being 2,500 years old because the entire food chain in Antarctica is fed from carbon-12 food sources and not from plankton.
	Yeah, plankton is what the krill feed on, and the plankton is fed by the natural gas.
	And the crazy thing is, there's a single-cell organism called, God, name mine like a steel trap.
	Um, anacrothids.
	I'll look it up and put it in the show notes.
	But there's a single-cell life form that is so different from any other single-cell life form that they created a whole new phylum for them.
	So, now you have three families of life on Earth.
	You have single cell, which is your bacterias and protozoans, and then you have your multi-cell, which is every other life form.
	And then you have this one particular type of bacteria, I mean, type of single-cell organism that can live off of nothing but methane.
	And in the intestines of rudimentary animals like cattle and sheep, and in termites, this same organism lives and produces methane.
	So, bottom line is you have something that can live off of methane in one environment and then produce methane in another environment.
	It's absolutely, absolutely crazy.
	But, bottom line is, there again, you can't count on carbon for this break.
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	Oh, yeah.
	I just looked it up.
	It's Anacrosis is the single-cell life form.
	And I was really shocked to find out that it's the one that produces methane when it's in the intestinal tract of termites and cattle.
	And then it also is in the Antarctic.
	And it's the basis for the plankton non-photocell.
	It's the only life form that exists without photosynthesis.
	And because of that, it's completely different, which means that you could probably get life forms like that maybe on giant gas planets that have enough gravitational pull to be able to have a little bit of temperature, you know, like Jupiter for say.
	So you can have a non-photogenic life form that creates and is able to actually morph into two things, one that produced methane and the other that digested methane, which is really crazy.
	But anyhow.
	Joe, it's fascinating.
	And is it not the case that CO2 is indispensable to photosynthesis and the production of water and of air that are indispensable to life?
	Yes, and in our series, we discuss the different wavelengths where carbon dioxide absorbs, and it absorbs in very few frequencies.
	Water vapor absorbs in over 33,000 different spectral lengths.
	And so you can end up having a chain reaction of what's called stokes shift, where you absorb in one frequency, you emit in a lower frequency, and that can happen in a series with water vapor in the atmosphere.
	But there again, anytime that you're reducing the amount of energy coming in, which is basically working like a giant filter, water vapor does not warm the planet.
	It just reduces the heat loss at night, which is why when you have a cloudy night, the Earth stays warmer because you've increased the amount of mass in the atmosphere.
	And then on a clear night, you have a greater solar radiation out into space.
	And so they say, well, water vapor is warming the earth.
	No, it's not.
	It's just slowing down cooling.
	And so delayed cooling is not warming.
	So we're ended up in this situation where semantics matter.
	And people that don't have any idea of what thermodynamics is involved in and what the atmosphere is actually doing and what geology is and everything else that's involved in the supposed science of global warming is that if you can lie about certain things, then you can fool enough of the people enough of the time that you can get away with it.
	But the problem they've got is you can't fool all the people.
	And I'm one of the ones that's not fooled.
	Along with there's a pretty good group of us, and it's growing because anytime you can sit down and explain scientific terms about how things really behave, then you're going to be able to negate the argument.
	And the same thing that we're doing with the 9-11 stuff, because we're able to show that there's no way that you use thermite to carve a hundred-foot-deep crater underneath the 110-story-tall buildings for the building material to fall into.
	So, bottom line is: you know, evidence is on the side of truth.
	And I've had really good instructors at the University of Houston in engineering classes, and they taught basic sciences and the English scientific method with a profound respect.
	And that's what I've based my whole entire life on: understanding and enhancing the value of proper scientific method.
	And that's why it's so easy to see through all of these bullshit fronts that they put up because they're not anything about them that's scientific.
	Joe, you're as good as anyone I've ever known at explaining complex scientific issues in a fashion that makes them accessible to the average American, a trait that I greatly admire.
	We can elaborate.
	It seems to me that the efforts by Judy Wood and her Praetorian guard to defend the use of dews on 9-11 has been falling apart.
	That there's no aspect of the evidence she would cite in its support that cannot be accounted for equally well by the nuke hypothesis.
	And there are many elements of what ought to have been the case had it been directed energy that are missing.
	If you look at Lahaina, for example, and you see all the buildings were destroyed right down to their foundation.
	We didn't have that.
	We didn't have that in New York City.
	We had the buildings blowing apart in every direction.
	They were not simply dissolved.
	We also had other phenomena.
	We had the lingering, massive heat sinks beneath Manhattan that endured to mid-November.
	That's not explicable on directed energy hypothesis.
	We had all of the medical maladies that were parallel to Chernobyl, leukemia, multiple myeloma, esophageal pancreatic cancer that have extended.
	So now as many as 70,000 first responders and residents of the vicinity have succumbed to these diseases.
	And strikingly, it occurred to me: we had in Lahaina the charcoal image of a dog.
	All the water had been taken from the body.
	We had no charcoal images of human beings in New York City, Joe.
	It seems to me that's another devastating count against directed energy weapons or their use on 9-11.
	Yes, well, one of the guys that's a member of the architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth is Jonathan Cole, P.E. He's a civil engineer, and he did a great little 45-minute video called Where the Towers Went, where he goes through step-by-step and refutes every one of Judy Woods' arguments.
	It's hilarious.
	It's about a 40-minute long video.
	I'll go ahead and put a link to that in today's comments because it's worth watching.
	Then he did another one that he released.
	I would love to see that.
	Yeah.
	He did another one about two weeks ago that's on thermite, but he just goes on and on about how, no, it had to be done with thermite.
	And it's like, I'm sorry, Jonathan, but thermite is an incendiary.
	It's not a explosive.
	And so it could not possibly have done the amount of damage.
	And the amount of volume and the amount of coordination that would have been necessary to wire the building to do it with conventional explosives or thermite is just astronomical.
	So it's impossible to do that.
	He's going to be a guest this week on Boston 911 Truth.
	And it'll be probably a 90-minute long presentation.
	I have been a silent witness on 9-11 Truth multiple times.
	I was a guest there last February on February 20th.
	And that's a pretty good presentation, 90 minutes long.
	But this time I will definitely pipe up and I will have some direct questions for Jonathan because there's no way that you did this with anything other than nuclear weapons.
	That's really dumbfounding, Joe, that the guy is smart enough to demunk dues, but dumb enough to buy into nanothermite.
	I find that perplexing.
	Is he schizophrenic?
	No, I just don't think he's gotten the proper amount of information.
	I mean, you know, it took me, I didn't make a public comment about 911, even though 9-11, I was on the phone with friends of mine as the buildings were being hit and falling down.
	And I was discussing with them what was going on.
	And when the South Tower leaned over 22 degrees from normal, I said, well, it'll pop the columns on one side from tension and it'll compress the ones on the other side.
	And the top 20 floors will flop over and hit the side of the building and slide down.
	Because that's what conventional structural engineering would tell you for that type of obvious failure point is that if you had the building leaning that much, there's nothing that could overcome gravity, except something managed to magically pull the building straight back up, and then it fell in its own footprint in 14 seconds.
	And the combination of those two things immediately at 11 o'clock.
	So it didn't fall in its own footprint.
	Remember, those buildings did not collapse.
	They were blown apart.
	They were converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust.
	It would have been 13 and a half floors of debris had it been any kind of collapse.
	There was no collapse.
	You want to expunge that word from your body because they've used it hundreds of thousands, millions of times to try to convince us not to believe our lying eyes.
	Well, it wasn't all vaporized.
	Certainly a lot of the concrete was vaporized because it wasn't down in the pit, but there was a lot of steel that was down in the pit.
	And there was a lot of things that were down in that 100-foot pit that was carved into the granite bedrock that were radioactive until December of 2001.
	So you have this radioactive material that could only, and heat, that could only be produced by a nuclear reaction.
	And so that's what you had.
	You had a nuclear bomb that went off there.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We completely agree.
	I just worry about the words falling down and collapse because they imply a mechanism of destruction that was not in force here.
	You know, a destruction under demolition under control is right, but it was nuclear and you've been masterful in advancing evidence and support of the hypothesis and debunking the alternatives.
	This John Cole thing, where the towers went, sounds fascinating, Joe.
	I can't wait to see it.
	I'm so glad you mentioned it today.
	I will email it to you as soon as the program's over, and I'll put it in the comments so that our listeners can see it.
	Yeah, it's a great question.
	Send me all the links they had for the description for our show today.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Tell me what else might be on your mind, my friend, because you have so much to say on so many issues.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's just go into nuclear radiation for a second.
	You have alpha rays, which are two protons and two neutrons, which is actually an isotope of helium.
	And that moves at 7% of the speed of light.
	And if that impacts a normal atom, it can either add a neutron or knock out a neutron or a proton.
	And that's how you end up getting the isotopes.
	Beta is beta rays are electrons or positrons, nuclides that are moving at 167,000 miles per second, which is a fraction of the speed of light.
	And then you have gamma rays, which are EMR photons, which are moving at the speed of light.
	So those are your three different various things.
	And then you have isotopes.
	The building itself was made out of iron, which has four stable and 24 radioactive isotopes, carbon, which has two stable and 13 radioactive isotopes.
	And those are what makes steel is carbon and iron.
	And then concrete is carbon and calcium, which has five stable, 21 radioactive, and silicon, which has three stable and 20 radioactive.
	So bottom line is you have available 100 isotopes of just the four major elements that are in a steel and concrete building that are able to absorb these alpha rays and beta rays that are blow that are disintegrating the building.
	And they're also above the temperature that it takes to vaporize steel.
	So you had a lot of vaporized steel and vaporized concrete that were in the atmosphere pouring out of the top of that building.
	And I think I've got the information.
	Let's see.
	I don't have it written right here where I can easily access it.
	But bottom line is on 9-11, I read William Tahill's 2000 book called Ground Zero.
	I read Fourth Generation Nukes by Andre Gosper, which was produced and published in 2008.
	Dmitry Kelagov's Third Truth, which was 2009.
	In that one, he says that there's 100 kiloton use.
	I read the field manual 101-31-1 nuclear weapons deployment.
	This was a declassified document on the military use of nuclear tactical weapons, and it was declassified in 1986.
	And so bottom line is, yeah, you can't possibly have done this with anything other than nuclear weapons.
	So, and there again, just like NASA said, trauma-based mind control.
	And it's just a complete magic trick, the same way they did the lunar landing.
	You know, they photoshopped the airplanes flying into the buildings.
	And then they.
	It was actually done with holographic projection, Joe.
	Yeah.
	Holographs and photoshopping of the tape once they had the tapes available.
	So bottom line is this is a 100% theater production by the most evil directors and producers in the history of the planet.
	And this bullshit needs to stop.
	And I wish Putin would release his files on 9-11 and his files on Apollo and his files.
	He released his files on JFK, and they pretty much implicate the usual suspects.
	So, you know, there was people that wanted to have nuclear weapons to protect the chosen few, and they're the ones that were incremental players in all of these nefarious things that are going on.
	You're right.
	I mean, the hoaxes to which the American people have been subjected have been monstrous, humongous.
	Lee Oswald, the lone shooter, when he was actually in the doorway of the book depository when the motorgade passed by, and therefore not only cannot have been the lone-demanded gunman, but one of the multiple, actually, there were eight different assassins in Dee Lee Plaza that day 9-11 brought to us an Israeli op designed to draw American forces into the Middle East to take out the modern Arab state that served as a counterbalance
	to Israel's domination of the entire region and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Iran with compliments of the CIA, the neoconsiderate Department of Defense and a Mossad, a moon landing hoax.
	Unlike 9-11, for example, did not have, as a consequence, a destruction of nations and vast death and demolition, but was just a monstrous betrayal of the public trust by deceiving the American people.
	Well, your arguments today are extremely artful, Joe, just based on the fuel capacities and the acceleration speeds that would have been required to escape low earth orbit.
	Bravo, my friend, just so very well done.
	Well, it's always a pleasure talking to you, Jim.
	And really, we need to do that episode number 10 on proxies because I think you'll be startled by the amount of evidence that shows that those are all false, too.
	And we can get into other proxies like the crap that they use with medicine.
	It's just unbelievable the way science is being manipulated.
	And what they do is they hide behind the shroud of science being empirically proven, but then they violate all of the rules of the scientific method in order to prove things that aren't true.
	So that's the problem that we have.
	Let me mention that when we're talking about 9-11, I recently did an interview with PK in Australia, who's been a very important contributor to exposing many hoaxes, which he titled Professor James Fetzer Blows Away 9-11 on 12 October 2025.
	I really enjoyed my discussion with PK.
	I want everyone to know it's out there so that you can follow up.
	And it's now being supplemented by Joe's additional arguments regarding how directed energy weaponry cannot account for the evidence.
	Joe, what do you take to be the role of Judy Wood and perhaps to a lesser degree, Richard Gage and architects and engineers in this broader context?
	I have viewed them as limited hangouts, not only because by promoting directed energy weaponry on the one hand and nanothermite on the other, they're offering inadequate explanations of how the Twin Towers were destroyed.
	But by deliberately refusing to address the background, the historical circumstance, who was responsible and why, it has left the American people scratching their heads as to why anyone should care whether it was nanothermite or dues or nukes,
	because they don't understand the political context for which I cannot find a way to excuse them.
	Your thoughts.
	Well, Judy Woods is a PhD mechanical engineer, but she probably didn't have enough courses in structural engineering to realize exactly how the buildings were built, so she couldn't understand exactly how they were destroyed.
	I considered both of them to be fig leaves to hide the narrative that it was nuclear weapons, because when it becomes a nuclear weapon, then you only have a limited number of state players that were capable of pulling this off.
	And the weapons, most certainly, based on the 80 articles of nuclear education published at Veterans Today, and two dozen of those were published before I made my first public comment with you on March 16th of 2015.
	But I also attended the Architects and Engineers DVD premiere in Austin in May of 2009 with Richard Gage, who spoke for an hour, Alex Jones, who spoke for an hour, and they played a two-hour long DVD movie.
	I got there an hour early and reviewed all of the stamped approved drawings for the structural steel for the Twin Towers and Building 7.
	And as a trained structural engineer who's been registered for over 40 years and worked in 20 different states, I have a really good idea of how to read plans and understand proper structural engineering.
	And I knew that at that point that it was controlled demolition, number one.
	But number two, I knew that it wasn't controlled with explosives or thermite, which is the hypothesis that Richard Gage has gone on ever since.
	And Richard Gage is an architect.
	Architects are the marketing department of developers.
	They produce renderings and color boards and fancy little sketches, but they do not design buildings.
	Structural engineers design the frame of the buildings.
	Mechanical, electrical, and plumbing engineers design all the interior circulating systems.
	And so bottom line is he never had a class in college of mathematics, physics, or chemistry.
	And so he can't understand any of the arguments that I'm making.
	And he willfully ignores them.
	I saw him again in two different DVD presentations in Houston that were again two hour long DVDs.
	We went to dinner afterwards at Pico's restaurant and at Los Tios.
	And then I saw him again in Austin at a Chinese food restaurant where he made a three hour long presentation.
	I interviewed him for an hour with you, and then I also interviewed him for 90 minutes as co-host on TNT Radio.
	So I've had plenty of exposure to Richard Gage and his false hypothesis in person over 15-year period of time.
	He's been wrong for 15 years, and he still won't admit it.
	And now he's off on being an expert on the COVID pandemic, although he never had a class in biology.
	So it's like, give me a freaking break.
	And apparently he doesn't read too much of outside information because I've never seen him put anything in historical context or in scientific context.
	So that's what we're dealing with.
	Well, Joe, you know, T. Mark Hightower is a chemical engineer, and I published not one, not two, but three articles debunking nanothermite back in 2011, 2011.
	So after those were appeared, I cannot see how any responsible scientist or student of 9-11 could seriously continue to advance nanothermite as an explanation for the destruction of the towers.
	To me, it's not just intellectually irresponsible in a scholarly condemnable, but it's deliberately misleading the public.
	They have to know better.
	So I find all this nanothermite stuff shocking.
	And the idea this fellow who's John Cole, who's done such a brilliant job of debunking dudes, should continue to embrace it.
	I find that just absolutely stunning.
	Really, it boggles the mind.
	Thermite is Fe2, which is iron, O3, which is oxygen, AL2, and it burns at 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
	It has a detonation velocity of 895 meters per second.
	Steel melts at 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit, but it's vaporized at 5,180 degrees Fahrenheit, which means thermite cannot vaporize steel, but you had plenty of steel vaporized that day.
	The detonation velocity of steel is 6,100 meters per second, and that means that thermite cannot cause the fragmentation of steel like we saw at 9-11.
	And then also, Gage makes a big point of saying that there was sulfur in these oxide chips that are forming because you have free-floating atoms of iron that's vaporized and aluminum that's vaporized from the 2,200 tons of aluminum skin that was on the outside of the building.
	They're all floating around in the atmosphere with plenty of oxygen, and they want to form a molecule.
	And so what they do is they form an Fe A L O 2 and flocculate out.
	And that's where you get the thermite that's in the dust.
	Thermite is not a catalyst, which is inert to reaction.
	It just enables reactions.
	It is a reactant.
	And so any thermite you find in the dust is not thermite that was used to bring the building down.
	But then what he uses as a main argument is that these thermite chips that they found have sulfur in them.
	And that's what gives them the little red coloring.
	And I went, well, wait a minute.
	What is the inside material that they cover all of the walls with?
	That's gypsum, calcium sulfur oxide.
	And sulfur has forced Joe Joe Joe's radio.
	Wonderful.

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