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Oct. 23, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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The Real Deal Special: Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE!
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Welcome to another real deal special with Bill Benny and Catherine Horton under fire.
It's just a joy to have this opportunity on a weekly basis.
Bill, Catherine, you're looking good.
Great to have you back.
Good to be with you.
Thank you.
Well, things are going definitely crazy.
You know, things have been happening last week.
I mean, we were under massive attack.
I was trying to do some work, you know, investigating the deep state, and I was tortured violently for two days.
You were tortured all throughout the whole time.
But we can definitely tell it's heating up.
But it's also good because while the war is heating up, things are also unraveling.
So I think that's what this show will be dedicated to today.
Yes.
And where would you like to begin?
Oh, gosh.
I think the first link that you had, the judge's gag order against anything to do with the Charlie Kirk assassination attempt.
What do you make of that?
Well.
It applies in Utah.
Yeah, exactly.
It applies in Utah.
But the thing is, what's most telling was reading between the lines when I think it was the lawyer for the defense even who said thousands of people might be affected.
I'm like, oh, really?
Tell me about those hundreds of thousands of people who might have information and would want to talk about it, you know, in Utah alone.
It's like, what are you saying?
I mean, I hate to say it, but I'd rather I interpret it as supporting my position that the whole thing was fake, that it was staged.
Yours?
Well, you know, I think so.
Here's the thing.
I want to find out what it is beyond doubt that the stuff that you showed us was AI modified and everything is being just, you know, the stuff that came out of the FBI official videos were utter nonsense.
They're trying to hide something.
Yeah.
And I think you sent a link to us to look at that showed some of the things that made it very suspicious.
Yeah.
Yes.
It was the second link you sent.
Yes.
Google records.
The links I sent today.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can you see them here?
Who buried the investigator Charlie Kirk's murder by Paul Craig Roberts?
Is that the one, Bill, you mean?
Is it the second one?
Buried the investigation.
I think I did.
No, you mean they knew before his death.
Yeah.
Can Google searches?
The Google searches.
Yeah, the third one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, Israel shows up there almost every day.
It began to swerve from.
Keep going.
Yeah.
You know, there's very suspicious queries there from Israel.
Yes.
Yes.
Now, my point is kind of highlight him during this section.
Go ahead, Bill.
Go ahead.
Well, I was going to say that we need to know what the IP numbers were that he was talking about.
Because if the IP numbers block, that means you're dealing with a large organization, a company or a department of a government, which you could tell internally in Israel whether that was or was not a part of blocking just by the numbers.
Or is it the same number?
If it's the same number, you can even trace it back to the device and where it is.
Excellent.
So we listened to Kim Iverson reporting on this topic.
Segment, but he went and did all of these Google trend searches for various different terms that relate to the Charlie Kirk assassination.
And he found some really, really disturbing trends.
Baron Coleman has very few subscribers on YouTube.
I think he's got, let me see how many subscribers he actually has.
Only 3,000, almost, you know, 3,500 subscribers.
And he's been doing some really great live streams over the last few weeks about Charlie Kirk and the assassination.
You should follow the guy.
I'm just going to play a few of his clips because I've just been so impressed with what he's been doing.
But look at these bizarre searches that were done.
Let's go ahead and watch.
This is Baron Coleman.
George Zinn.
You can see here where George Zinn was arrested.
There's a little blip on September 10th in the District of Columbia.
I'm assuming this is everybody racing to the computer to figure out who is the guy they just arrested.
I don't know what this is.
Maybe a few days later, people go, but look here, July 20th.
Now, this July 20 is going to become very important tonight.
Wonder if anybody Googled the hospital where they took Charlie Kirk.
Took him to Tempanogos Regional Hospital.
That's there in the district.
I mean, that's there in Utah.
They have, I think, a campus in Oram, Utah.
So I go to District of Columbia.
Here's where, again, on September 10th, 11th, right there, you see the searches for Tempanogos Regional Hospital, people looking for where they took Charlie Kirk.
But you'll see this spike of interest in Tempanogos Regional Hospital out of DC, and then no interest for two solid months before the shooting.
But again, keep in mind that July 20 anchor date, here we have a July 16, 2025.
And then we have a July 3 and we have a June 28.
And if you go out 12 months, you'll notice you even had one back then.
And then this all kind of goes out.
So something's going on here at the Tempanogos Regional Hospital search.
And then right the day before the shooting, somebody in the District of Columbia says, we should really make sure we know what the Tempanogos Regional Hospital is.
And so I wondered who the medical examiner was there in Utah.
And I looked her up.
She's a woman named Deidre Amaro.
And she was looked up, but this time, not in the District of Columbia, but in Israel, which I thought was very strange.
June 30th, 2025.
Go to the District of Columbia, for example.
Not there.
The commissioner of the Utah Department of Public Safety.
In other words, a high-ranking law enforcement official.
I noticed Bo Mason got appointed to that position on July 17th.
Again, that anchor right around July 20th.
He was appointed a few weeks before that and he took the role on July 17th.
But again, District of Columbia, Bo Mason, right?
You can say, hey, he's a law enforcement official.
Notice how close that is to July 20th again.
We got it right in that same window where I told you, really watch that time period.
But again, this one could be explained away: hey, he, well, he got appointed the very next day.
He got appointed on July 17th there in Utah.
So maybe on July 16th, someone says, we need to look at who the new Department of Public Safety Head is going to be in Utah.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Every day.
I think that's also very, very curious.
What do you guys make of that?
Tell me, I'm fascinated.
Well, that's something that I would call investigating coordination.
Yes.
Yes.
That's what I would call it.
And it needs to be further investigated and tracked down.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I am always, as you know, Jim, I don't hold back implicating Israel, but I always encourage people to also look into British intelligence.
So my question is: were there any related searches from London?
You know, because hey, I'm telling you, the crown is always involved.
Okay.
So, but this is exactly the other thing I would like to say is that we already know the FBI is involved because of all the bullshit that came out afterwards.
It was Cash Patel's CU and Valhalla comment.
By the way, Valhalla, is that a nightclub somewhere?
Is that a bar where they're all going to meet up?
You know, what is Valhalla here exactly?
But, you know, the Valhalla comments, the nonsense about what type of, you know, rifle was used, the bullet, the CGI modified surveillance video, the lack of CCTV, otherwise.
It was so much bullshit from the start to the end.
So the FBI is involved.
That is the evidence.
The bullshit is the evidence we're looking for.
Now, the thing is that none of this makes any sense.
The FBI has the tools that you left them with in 2001 or rather they took from you, right?
FBI didn't have NSA did.
And I think they shared it with various other people, GCHQ, the Israelis, and a number of other people.
But the FBI can't carry the NSA database.
Yeah, they can't quite see.
Unsupervised, right?
Unsupervised.
No oversight of it.
No.
That's why they had 270,000 FISA violations.
Yeah.
They don't have any oversight of it.
Yeah.
But it's if there were actually a real investigation, none of this would take this long.
Cash would need 33 hours to find a guy.
This nonsense.
Everything is nonsense.
And the only reason why they can even just go on with this charade is because the American people have no idea what sort of technology and technological capabilities they already paid for 24 years ago or 25 years ago.
So it's just a charade.
It's ridiculous.
The one thing I still to this day don't know is was this whole the Google searches and all this and the exercise, you know, the test run without anybody in the tent where the crowd is just running away.
Was that a dry run for a murder to replace Charlie Kirk with his wife?
Or is he in on it as well?
That's the one, the last question that I still have, because it could go either way.
For example, for example, there are people who are claimed to be dead, but they're alive.
Michael Jackson is one, but so is Mohamed Atta, who supposedly called his mom from Saudi Arabia a couple of years after 9-11.
Right?
So people who are dead are sometimes reassigned to another identity through the intelligence agencies and can make contact with their family later on.
I personally, I personally suspect Ashley Babbitt might be one of those as well.
I'm not sure.
I haven't seen enough blood or impact on recoil from the bullet that supposedly hit her on January 6th.
But hey, that's just my private suspicion.
But what I'm saying is it could be that Charlie Kirk was funneled out and it's just going to, you know, live out a parallel identity for a couple of years.
And then I don't know what, you know, is that a real family?
Are this his real children?
Is the whole thing just an intel setup?
And I was trying to go after this question when the family was invited for the memorial at the White House.
Now, that's what kind of makes me think that it's a bit more complex because Charlie Kirk's parents look genuinely distraught.
You saw that, right?
So when I just look at his mother and his father, it looks like genuine grief.
This is what throws a spanner into my works.
You know, I did not detect any sort of lying or deception.
You know, the mom looked utterly, utterly upset.
Charlie Kirk's wife, on the other hand, God, every time I see her, she looks like a bad actress.
In fact, I saw a YouTube presentation by an actress saying this is exactly what crap actresses look like.
Her first speech about, you know, Charlie Kirk, every time she's wiping off a tear, it's always from the same side of her face and always when she wants to emphasize how very sad she is, you know?
So, yeah, she's the one with the dad who just happened to have founded Wraithy on Israel, right?
And one of the links I sent you, she was asked on a radio show when they got married and she couldn't remember.
And she started talking about all the dates she had to know.
I do remember.
I just sometimes forget these are inspiring.
What you would say if you were an actress who had to memorize all the dates, somebody who lived through it would never say anything like that.
She's totally fraudulent, $3 bill type.
I mean, worthless.
Did I show you this six-minute thing David Weiss did, where at the end, you know, she going out of the stage and she'd been very dramatic and they're saying bravo, bravo.
You know, they're thrilled with her performance.
I mean, it's very bad.
Very.
It is awful.
I just want to know.
I mean, if anything, I would ask the parents, like, do you know what's going on?
What is this?
What are we looking at?
Was Turning Point USA a government-funded and Mossad-funded thing all along?
And they just got Charlie Kirk in on it because he could speak so well.
And then when he woke up to what, you know, good memory, too.
Well, had a good memory.
No, but he was a very good orator, a very good debater.
He loved the kids.
Charlie Kirk genuinely seemed to live the mission statement.
But when he started turning against Israel, they were like, okay, right, let's get number two, the honeypot in now.
You know, is that what's happening?
And another question I have as a European, it's much more fundamental than that.
This whole idea that you have organizations canvassing on campus grounds is totally alien to me.
When I went to Oxford, there were no political parties canvassing on our campuses.
I'm not sure if that's even allowed.
You know, when we went to university, we went there.
I went there to study physics.
Nobody interfered with me politically or otherwise.
So to have this whole campaign stuff on campuses, I find it off-putting and weird to start with.
But hey, this is the U.S. That's just my view.
I do think the movement was originally to marshal young people support for Israel.
But the polls have shown Gen Z is turned against Israel.
And 64% favor the Palestinians.
Hamas over the IDF, only 24%.
And Charlie had clearly wandered off the reservation, if we can believe the remarks from Candace and Tucker and Clayton.
I mean, he was saying he despised Benjamin Netanyahu when he could no longer support Israel.
So would you not agree with the following?
We got a case laden with anomalies, but if it were real and authentic, there wouldn't be any.
I agree.
Look, the whole thing is fake.
Only thing I want to know is, did they kill Charlie Kirk for real and then just CGI the thing, or did he not even die?
Are they real kids?
Is he going to rejoin them at some point?
You know, I'm convinced he didn't even die.
No, no, no.
And he was all in on it.
You know, I remember that Vivian Lee had the whole thing, he began by rubbing his nose, and then his friends go through all these motions, tip of the hat, touching their lip, and all that.
The guy in the brown shirt rubs to trigger off the what I take to be the air squib, you know, beneath his shirt.
And did you look at how the wound moves around on his neck and the blood never soaks into his shirt?
And it even starts to reverse and come up with.
I mean, this is pretty bad.
Yeah, that's the thing, though, with that video.
I only ever saw these like third and second, you know, order YouTube channels ever show me that video.
It could be somebody modified genuine footage.
Is there any footage that looks real, or is that the official version that was broadcast by the media?
Or the mainstream media didn't even show this bit.
I guess they never showed him getting shot.
All the video I've seen, whether it's from the side, Candace, talking in the back, even from the front, there's no blood.
But they use this distraction of the Zim guy, you know, for the CGI, and then they got that and put it everywhere.
You know, remember how the media are very squeamish about showing bloody gore on television, except for Charlie Kirk.
Then all of a sudden, you had it in your face everywhere.
Everywhere.
Now, that's LT was a stage event and they had the phony blood, but they wanted to make a big impression.
Yeah.
Well, I guess the, you know, imprinting something like it's almost trauma, trauma-based programming, mind control programming.
You want something traumatic to happen so that people, you know, really respond to it.
Yeah, I want to, I really want to know what's going on here because what I would do is just list all the discrepancies with undeniable proof.
Like, look, the FBI releases the CCTV footage and people in the background are disappearing.
They go behind a tree and never reemerge.
And at that point, I think we, the people, needs to sue the FBI because at this point, I don't even friggin care who's alive and who's dead.
The real thing is the FBI is not paid to put on these shit shows.
This is taxpayers' money.
That's what you have thought we're done for.
Exactly, exactly.
But it's just like, I don't even bloody care.
Like, Cash Patel was not put in charge to then mock us all with his bullshit Valhalla comment, which, by the way, is also really, really like, I don't know, revolting and disrespectful to Christians.
Well, after 33 hours, Catherine, the 33 hours.
I mean, that's a Masonic number.
I mean, he had to have 33 hours of investigation.
Exactly.
Well, it took him 32 hours to get the phone call from his parents.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
I think maybe the parents, the parents seem to be genuinely in grief.
Maybe they're not in the loop.
They don't know what was staged.
Yeah.
And, you know, back then, back at 9-11, the only people who really made any headway driving an investigation were the survivors, were the spouses, the wives of people who died at 9-11, like genuinely died.
And unfortunately, that petered out.
But in all this, starting with Butler, the only people who really could make headway and, you know, get a crowd behind them.
I genuinely think that Corey Comperator died.
I really, I saw the interview with his wife and his daughters.
I genuinely think he died.
You know, maybe I'm proven wrong about that too.
But with Butler, all these signs were really, no, they genuinely want to kill President Trump.
By the way, did you hear that on Friday, on Thursday, the Secret Service found a sniper nest just across the street from Palm Beach International?
And the sniper nest had a direct line of sight onto the bit where President Trump would come out of Air Force One.
Or so they did that.
My impression, Gathering, is they took it apart.
They took it down when they should have left it in place.
I mean, what are you doing taking it down?
This is a crime scene or a potential crime scene.
They should have got up to show us whether it had the line of sight instead of just telling us.
Yeah.
It wasn't the FBI doing it.
That was the Secret Service.
Secret Service did it.
And then the FBI came in and they took it down.
I think so.
Yeah.
I think that's the Secret Service discovered it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they called it.
They called in the FBI.
They took it down.
Yeah, which is absolutely not surprising.
Who destroys a crime scene or potential crime scene, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what, JFK?
I found 15 indications of Secret Service Blissy setting him up with a hit and covering it up.
I mean, they were in jail.
I'm sure that was in coordination with the CIA.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I still, I, yeah, I couldn't believe that the Secret Service leadership under the new director would try to kill the prison.
I think what I genuinely think is last Friday, President Trump was meant to die.
That was, I think, meant to be the execution of James Comey's 8647 kill order, and they forestalled it in the 11th hour.
I genuinely think so.
But anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that this shit is still going on.
The FBI is massively involved in this.
And we're still making headway against the deep state.
Now, President Trump was elected, among others, on the remit to drain the swamp.
I don't see the swamp being drained.
The swamp's just getting going strong, going ever stronger.
We got Palantir, or they got Palantir.
They get everything they want.
And our chances to ever drain the deep state are getting slimmer and slimmer by the day.
And this is my real issue.
And the point I was trying to make is: if I'm right, my gut feeling is right.
And the parents are genuinely not in the loop because, my God, I mean, you saw it.
The mom looked pale.
Honestly, it looked like the mom was trying to hold together her shit while little Erica was, you know, doing her little actress routine.
Yeah.
Right?
That's what it looked like.
It looked like the mom was genuinely grieving for her son, and she was quietly really pissed off about the bullshit she had to witness just next to her.
That's what it looked like to me.
So I would want to talk to the parents and say, hey, are you aware of all the bullshit the FBI is putting out?
Because I think you need to sue their ass and say, hang on, where's the real investigation?
What actually happened to our son?
You know, is he one of you guys?
Is he an asset?
Is he living in the Bahamas in a $50 million mansion with Erica 2.0, who is younger, fitter, bigger tits, and smaller ass?
What's the story?
I don't know because that would be the deal.
If you're an asset and you go along, I'm sure Mohamed Ast Atta had his 72 virgins there in Dubai or Saudi Arabia, you know, paying him off.
That's the reality of it.
These people get a veritable metric shit ton of money for taking part in these spectacles.
I mean, you saw how many millions are going to the Sandy Hook people, right?
Baman.
Yeah, yeah.
Still a million a month.
Still a million a month.
So I got to ask me.
I got to ask, did you give Larry my message and tell him what?
Does he still think it's going to help us?
I think you sent it to him, right?
Yeah.
I'm sure he got it.
Yeah.
The only thing I want to say is be gentle with people because, you know, Jim, you and I, we are knee-deep in this false flag intel bullshit, but some people are still just waking up to it, how deep it is and how many people are involved.
I understand your rage.
I felt it many times.
But I also had to be very patient with Bill here when I first told him about rapid energy weapons and chips.
It took me what, two years until you've really fully understood.
Roughly.
But then we found some frequencies we were being hit with in the lower spectrum, under four gigahertz, you know, that clearly were military and electronic warfare signals from military.
Yeah.
And we asked the DOD and the DODIG, what the hell are you doing here?
You know, because these are line-of-sight things and they followed us from Maryland down to this state, you know?
So what are you doing?
You're radiating us.
You didn't volunteer for anything, you know?
The law requires them to get our informed consent.
It took Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood a year and a half to convince me to look at the planes in New York City that something was wrong, that the plane just magically disappeared.
No collision effects.
You talk about physics, miraculous violations of the laws of physics on 9-11, a year and a half.
And then when I looked at it, I said, my God, you're right.
You know, I had a similar experience with a fan who kept telling me that Paul McCartney had died and been replaced.
I just couldn't take it seriously until I ran across this report by two Italian forensic scientists who wanted to disprove it and wound up confirming it because they discovered they had different teeth and different palettes and the replacement is four inches taller than the original.
I mean, it's just studying some again, it took about a year and a half to get me around to taking it seriously.
Just amazing.
This is what I mean.
Once you know, and once you have seen the evidence and allowed yourself to take it in, it's so bloody obvious that, you know, I feel like screaming at people, like, how the how the F can you not see it?
But the thing is, people have to mature to that.
And the other thing is that we always kind of ignore is that I think Larry Johnson was, was he a reporter?
Was he working for CIA?
CIA.
CIA, right?
When you have been in the system, you can't believe how bad it was while you were still there because most people are compartmentalized away from this.
You didn't know the shit that was going down.
And yet it was sometimes an office, you know, down the corridor.
People were involved in horrific stuff.
I had a nice, neat, logical problem.
Here's a crypt system.
Here's a code system.
Here's a data system.
Solve them.
Yeah.
You know?
And that was a lot of fun.
And, you know, you had to have everything absolutely right or you failed.
Yeah.
But while you are doing your beautiful genius mind stuff over there in the corner, NSA is mass implanting the American people and is running so-called remote neural monitoring with the chips, right?
Really enslaving people and torturing them to death.
You had no idea about it.
You couldn't believe it.
So Larry also has to write.
I didn't think they were smart enough to do anything like that.
Well, you know, they pool their resources, but yeah, they do.
You know, the stuff is developed by German weapons manufacturers, right?
German engineers.
Siemens is apparently involved big time.
But, you know, for Larry Johnson to actually admit what the CIA genuinely looks like, it will take some time.
So we just have to be patient.
Another thing we have to keep in mind is that our side is we are at different points of being awake.
Some people know about the chips, the directed energy weapons, the child trafficking, the andrenochrome.
Other people are somewhere further back in the journey, and we just have to wait for them to catch up in their own time.
If we attack them, it's almost like we're turning on our own.
And the people who would be valuable soldiers in this fight in a year, two years' time will be cut down already now by us.
We just can't afford to lose anybody.
So as painful as it is, Jim, we have to bring these people lovingly on board.
I was hoping to break it by sending the how to spot a false flag in the version with you because we did that in four parts.
You had so much to contribute.
I figured maybe Larry, if he wouldn't look at my doing it alone, would look at our doing it together.
You know, I thought that would be a hook.
That's a good idea.
You haven't seen the how to spot the false flag.
Good job you remind me because I wanted to post the four, it was a four-part interview.
Yeah, you and I did it.
It was an hour or two hours.
It's a course.
It's a lecture course, but I think it was very good.
It went through all these false flag operations with really glaringly obvious evidence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The thing I see lacking is any follow-on looking like the Google, what were the IPs?
Are they blocked or not?
You know, and where are they?
Like, you know, and if it's a block of things, is it a company or is it a department of a government?
Which one?
You know, they could be routing through Israel and going somewhere else, you know?
Yeah.
All that, all that could be traced, tracked, and followed.
And nobody's doing it.
And nobody's looking at the phone numbers and any phone network that the guy in Butler had or the guy on the golf course had all those phones he had.
Where were the networks of that?
How many collapse and who were they involved with?
Yeah, and by the way, everything is routed through Israel.
Yeah.
Well, I did.
Did I tell you that the code we were developing inside NSA was handed to the Israelis the year we made it?
In 1997, we gave the STEM 16s, and then 1998, I mean, the STEM, we were able to do fiber optic rates at that time and do the capture of the whole world.
That was passed to them, and they put two devices out after that, Neris and Barrett, to do that commercially.
So it came down on the shop.
This new greatest ballroom that's being constructed for, I don't know, hundreds of millions of bucks is going to have on its floor a merge of the U.S. and the Israeli flag.
Oh, really?
Yes.
And it's going to have a Wendy's and they're going to have broadcasts of worldwide wrestling from the ballroom.
I mean, there's all kinds of crazy shit going to happen here.
Some might say it's a bit undignified.
Well, hang on a second.
So the last of the last set of drawings I saw, they had the Masonic tithing, the black and white checkers on the floor.
Now it's going to be the American and the Israeli flag merchant.
That's the latest report I have, Catherine.
Of course, a black and white jacket is all Illuminati.
I mean, right down to the last.
That was my issue.
I'm like, you can't have gold and white at the top because that's the Vatican flag and then checkered flooring.
Are you kidding me?
If you just have gold decorations by itself, and he was showing the diagrams and it was all gold, all gold.
The tastelessness of all this.
I mean, he's made the old lavas look like a whorehouse.
I don't know.
Ludwig's castle.
Well, Ludwig, yeah.
I was thinking it was Ludwig in Bavaria who had this thing.
Yeah, he has like a little, it looks like it's look like the Louis Cartoon's chateau, you know.
But, you know, I don't think the taxpayers are paying for the ballroom, though.
I think he raised a few price.
All private, Raytheon, you know, other big companies.
You know, here's the thing, Jim.
As always, if people don't like the floor, the floor can be changed.
But I think Trump has a point that you can't have the White House and not even a big room where you can have banquets.
That's kind of weird.
Spectacular.
Well, I mean, I tell you.
There are these memes where you see this giant hall, and then the White House is sort of a little atrophied image in the background.
The one I've seen today, the one I've seen today is that the West Wing is replaced with like basically a pass-through to a Trump tower.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We can expect to have the Donald, just as they've shown in Gaza.
You know, they have that gold statue for their projection.
Isn't it going to be called the Trump room?
The Trump room, sure, of course.
I have to say.
He's paying for it.
Yeah, I have to say, I really like the idea of having this banquet hall.
I think people will get, you know, the American people will get mileage out of it.
It's amazing that he raised the money.
That, for one, doesn't cost the taxpayers anything.
Right.
So let's just count our blessings.
You know, the other thing is, what was the other thing about the, oh, yes, the month, yeah.
On True Social, I'm following the Doge updates.
And it's just amazing how much they actually cut during the shutdown.
So if people keep an eye on how many billions of dollars in bullshit projects got cut during the shutdown and how much money was saved by sacking people, it's amazing.
I still think that there's a lot more positive stuff.
And remember, Jim, we would have never had this under Kamala.
Never.
You and I would not have this conversation.
You would live somewhere in the Caribbean and I would be back in Europe.
Oh, it's unthinkable.
I couldn't agree more.
You know, we did a report from Tulsi that CIA was involved in 2020 in putting, they called him a vegetable, putting the what did they call him?
And the idea was completely incompetent vegetable that they played a role in just depriving Trump of a second consecutive administration.
Excuse me, the CIA called Trump a vegetable or Biden?
Biden, Biden, Biden.
Well, he was.
Wow, the CIA said the truth once in a memo that we live to see the day.
I always remember Barr saying there was no evidence of any criminal activity in the election.
And I'm sitting there and I remember seeing in the CCTV and the voting after hours voting down in Georgia, just right down the road.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
All these ballots from under the table after they kick everybody out, take them out of the cash, the luggage, and then start shoving them in over and over again into the device to come.
Right.
They were recounting the same ballot.
Yeah.
Mike Lindell had wonderfully brought in a bunch of experts.
Then Ron Johnson brought in a bunch of expert.
Then he had Denise Lesouz at 2,000 mules and there were a whole lot more than 2,000.
You know, dumping ballots in the middle of the night, 3 a.m., 4 a.m.
Yeah.
Well, as Bill always points out, the guy who's organizing this, kicking people out and then, you know, arranging it, he makes a phone call after he kicks people out and he makes a phone call when they're done stuffing ballots.
And as Bill likes to point out, that's in the NSA database and will stay there forever.
All the connections that guy had before, that call, and all the call all after, and everybody in between, they could lay that entire network out, how it coordinated across all of the all of the states and everything without any difficulty at all.
Did anybody do that?
No.
But I think this is the biggest problem.
So, you know, when I'm looking at Trump and what he does really well and what he has so far done appallingly badly, there's a stark contrast.
Everything he knows about the economy, business, making deals, you know, peacemaking, that is phenomenal.
That's when you look at his daily schedule, the shit he's involved with is phenomenal.
The stuff where he takes advice from people on science and technology is a nightmare.
Operation Warp Speed was a nightmare.
Palantir is an absolute nightmare.
Stargate AI is such a huge nightmare.
We'll spend the rest of our lives fighting the fallout from that.
So what I can see is that where Trump takes the advice from people on trust, it goes bottom up.
And I think this is the real issue.
If he had people who can advise him truthfully on the scientific side, he would be phenomenal.
But that's everything he does on the deals and the peacemaking is almost undone with the AI bullshit because that is 100% the intelligence community bringing in Palantir, bringing in Stargate AI.
Are you kidding me?
With the funding of 10 CIAs?
It is insane.
And I think this is where his real blind spots are.
So I think going forward, what we, the people, need to do and say, okay, enough peacemaking now around the world.
We have a war going on at home.
I mean, you and I, we're being gunned with directed energy weapons.
I have an audio recorder running most days capturing the impact sounds and video recordings of me just sitting there typing at my laptop and the ceiling reverberating as the drone above our house shoots the ceiling and follows me around the house and shoots whatever room I'm in.
So that's an active shooter here in our community.
And this drone can be turned on Trump or his appointees or his family members just like that.
The Secret Service is helpless against these military Air Force and Lockheed Martin drones.
And Trump is doing nothing.
We couldn't get in.
We couldn't even talk to the Secret Service, even though we turned up in person four times.
I turned up four times, you turned up once.
And we were just blocked as if we were vagrants off the street.
And we're like, hang on a second.
You don't know anything about directed energy weapons.
I promise you you don't.
You don't know anything about body area networks and people being implanted and people being able to be made to draw a service gun and shoot anybody in their vicinity.
These people have no idea.
And they are not being brought into the 21st century because their scientific advisors are all being provided by the intelligence community who will do anything but say the truth.
That's the real issue, I think.
The IC's motivation to have Palantir come in is pretty simple.
See, having all the content and metadata of U.S. citizens and everybody else on the planet is causing them a problem.
They have to build all these storage facilities, maintain it, and then they get liable for using the data and holding the data per se.
Like, for example, the FBI, Cash Patel, was testifying the other day, saying they had 270,000 violations, FISA violations.
Why?
Because they have illegally captured data on U.S. citizens that they've looked at and queried without a warrant.
That's why.
And it includes content, not just metadata.
So what they're really trying to do is outsource the collection and management of data on U.S. citizens and everybody else on the planet to Palantir and let them take the blame for having all the data.
And they'll just go to Palantir and say, give us that or whatever we want out of it whenever we want.
Or allow us directly to query.
It's like using Amazon to ban my books.
The government can't do it directly.
We get a private company and they're to function as the arm of the government and claim their innocence.
Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly it.
So it's moving out of the way.
They're putting all of the liability on the Palantir.
And ladies and gentlemen, this is what's called fascism when government and corporate power match up perfectly to suppress people.
Yes, it's a fascist setup.
And it's being brought in under Trump's noses because in a sense, he's very trusting in the technology area.
He trusts his advisors.
And I can prove that they are lying criminals.
Yeah.
Well, just be just because they have, just because the FBI alone has, and they're the only, they're only one of the people querying this.
All the other IC agencies are doing the same damn thing, as well as Five Eyes and some other countries too.
The IRS.
The IRS is a part of it.
Yeah.
They're a part of that too.
So, you know, there's many people.
FBI alone has 270,000, he said, violations of FISA.
Just that's just the tip of the iceberg, even for the FBI.
It's much more than that for the FBI, even then.
And the point was: if they'd have adopted the approach that I laid out with you as well in another show, they wouldn't have to worry about the FISA.
There wouldn't be any FISA violations because they'd have to meet FISA regulations to even capture the data.
So they wouldn't even be able to do that.
So there wouldn't be any problem.
Yes.
And they wouldn't have a storage problem either.
They wouldn't have to build massive devices.
They wouldn't be storing all the irrelevant crap.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, I'm stupid.
One of the things that I'm really holding hope about for is that Bill and I could just get through to Trump.
Really, I just need to be stuck in an elevator with him for five minutes because he is being lied to by his own intelligence community to such an extent.
It's hair raising.
For example, actually, I think many of them don't even know any better.
Well, yeah.
They're being told by the people coming up that, you know, oh, we're doing that.
No, they're not because they've got all those FISA violations.
They're not doing this.
Yeah, but look, the thing is, the top leadership of NSA and CIA and FBI, the managers who run shit day to day, they know.
Well, I take Pompeo when I went to tell him, I told him about Russia gave absolute fraud, and I could prove it that it was done locally, downloaded to a storage device internally, and then physically transported to WikiLeaks.
And even then, after that, none of his people challenged that at all.
And then when I see him coming out later saying, oh, the Russians still hacked it and drained it out.
Okay.
That was false.
He was a bureaucrat.
He was a criminal.
He was a liar.
He was in on it, Bill.
He was in on it.
I know it.
That's why he's, I'm saying he's a part of the team.
And I'm saying, you know, how many others are still.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you look at this scientifically, okay, scientifically, what we're dealing with is a situation of deep capture when the organogram, the top of the organogram, is completely taken over by psychopaths and criminals, and they're all in on it.
When you are in a situation of deep capture, you have to run a particular protocol to cycle an organization out of deep capture.
Step number one, if you can, is you come in at the top and you get rid of several layers of management.
The only person to have even vaguely attempted it, and I still think he pulled his punches, was the new secret service director.
I think he sacked 12 people.
That's what was reported in senior management.
Now, that's what I call a good start.
But he's the only one.
The FBI has not sacked anybody at the top.
They just brought in Bongino and Cash Patel.
Well, what good is that going to do?
Right.
And at NSA, they didn't even change the leadership and nobody got sacked.
It's the same old deep state.
They did get rid of both of the NSA.
They did eventually.
Well, but what?
Recently under Trump 2.0?
Right.
Okay, but still, what the F are they doing?
Okay, now talk about NSA.
They didn't get rid of the layers below them.
Yeah.
The point is now, one of the things that is really, I mean, I don't really care.
Trump is taking out these bus boats and speedboats in the Gulf of America.
What the heck do I care?
I don't care.
But the issue I have with it is that he's relying on the intelligence community telling him who those people on those boats are.
Now, the intelligence community says, oh, these are drug dealers.
We're taking out drug dealers.
Could be.
But are they maybe also child traffickers?
Are maybe down below also a bunch of children you're taking out?
Who knows?
I have no idea.
I would not trust him for shit.
But the point is, he doesn't even need to take out anybody if he just went into NSA and mapped the whole drug trade like Thin Thread would do.
He could go to specific containers on freight ships, those big container ships, and Bill's program could tell him which exact container to look into.
Because whatever the bus boats were carrying, that's not enough to supply New York.
And yet, Monday to Sunday, 365 days per year, the entire continental width of the U.S. is being supplied with drugs.
Nobody went into withdrawal yet.
So there's a, you know, a shit ton of drugs coming in every day.
And that supply chain would be super easy to unmask for NSA or the FBI who have access.
If they just map it, it could be done within a week.
It would be like tidying up DC.
The whole country's drug trade could be tidied up in two weeks.
If he just actually went in instead, the IC is telling him to take out these bloody speed of nothing for the drug trade.
Second of all, it jeopardizes his nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize because really, that is an international crime.
These people didn't stand trial.
It's like, oh, what the same IC that told you that the guy on the roof was Thomas Crooks and then, you know, destroyed all the DNA evidence.
It's the same people telling you that those people are drug dealers on those speedboats.
You know, and where is that speedboat even?
Because all I see is waves.
It could be off the coast of Florida.
It could be in the Atlantic.
It could be anywhere outside of Ibiza.
I have no freaking clue.
Right.
So we're taking on trust information from people who the one thing they've proven is that they pathologically lie consistently.
And I think what the IC is doing is that they don't want Trump to get the Nobel Peace Prize.
They're doing still their utmost to sabotage his presidency as much as they can.
And that's all they do.
And Trump thinks this is making him look good and it's a strong position.
But anybody with any idea about big data analysis knows this is bullshit.
It's bullshit.
You're better off not doing it than doing it.
And if you want to do something real, you need to let CBP look at specific containers on those big ass evergreen, right?
Hillary Clinton's code name with the Secret Service was Evergreen, like the big shipping containers, the Evergreen containers.
Look in those.
Look in those for children and drugs and weapons, whatever you're looking for.
It would be so easy.
Sorry, that's my round, Jim.
Thank you.
Oh, I love it.
No, I love it.
You know, there was even a rumor that Trump is going to make Hillary like an assistant attorney general so she could dig up to get Obama that he was going to pardon Bill and Hill.
No, they will never do that.
He actually called them criminals.
Remember that big gala dinner where he made jokes about Hillary Clinton?
Yeah.
Remember the debate in 2016?
If I were president, you'd be in jail.
Yes.
I think he really means that.
Well, he is president, but she ain't in jail, sad to say.
That's because, you know, I blame it on Jerry Ford because Jerry Ford pardoned Nixon.
Yeah.
Of course.
I mean, every president can do anything he wants because the next president will give him a get out of jail free card because he wants to do anything he wants to too.
Yeah.
So each one has to be dependent on the next one to get him a get out of jail free card.
Yeah.
But you know what?
They're talking about going after Obama, which I think is good.
Let's talk.
Let's see.
Yeah.
You know, he had a conversation with Vladimir Putin that lasted a good while, I don't know, 40 minutes or more, but apparently Putin got through to him.
So he's now saying he's not going to send the tomahawks to Ukraine, which is a ludicrous idea.
That they ought to settle in place, you know, let the Russians have all the territory they've already taken.
He's even said Ukraine cannot win the war.
The problem is he's get it right one day, just as he has here on all three points.
But tomorrow, who knows?
You know, that whole business with tomahawks was so lunatic.
I can't believe he actually thought of doing it.
His heart of the deal is to take these extreme positions and force your negotiator toward what you really want.
Yeah, I mean, it is a negotiating tactic.
But again, remember that all his advice about that comes from the military industrial complex.
And the military is involved in our targeting.
If he takes any advice from the Air Force, that's the same Air Force that is running to bits in a private home.
That's the same Air Force that is trafficking Dr. Millicent Black, my former team member and friend in Tennessee.
The U.S. Air Force is involved in slavery and in mutilation torture of American people.
I wouldn't take a freaking word seriously that they are saying before they tidy up their own house.
And that's really what I see.
Trump has so much knowledge about the economy and making deals and business.
And he was there when they brought in GATA and NAFTA and saw the country go to shit.
So he understands what to do to restore it.
The real problem with Trump is when he takes other people's advice because heck, we did not elect those other people.
None of them.
We don't even know who they are.
Especially on science, health, and technology.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that is his blind spot.
But hey, it's fair enough because if somebody threw me into New York and I would have to take the advice from architects and builders on how to build a high-rise, I would fuck it up cataclysmically, right?
And Trump could sit there all smuggling like, hey, hey, girl, you overpaid for concrete 10 times over.
I wouldn't have a clue.
But similarly, in science, there's so many ways these people can fuck you over by just coming across smart, like pretending they know what they are talking about.
And I'm telling you, it took me a long time to learn what to look for.
Changed fields from particle physics, where I know my way around very well, to medical physics, where it took me a year to debunk people's bullshit.
And I was horrified how supposedly serious institutions like the Institute for Cancer Research in London and my own University of Oxford were leading people up the primrose path about cancer research and the bullshit that was going on behind the scenes, like unscientific, moronic bullshit.
I mean, now people are not surprised because they have seen Dr. Fauci and that lot.
But back in the day when I was fighting this back in 2011, to talk about this was heresy.
I had to leave academia because I couldn't put up with their bullshit.
He's talking about a second pandemic, Catherine.
Yeah, a pandemic of lying.
Yes, I put it this way: every flu season, every flu, every virus comes along, they're always behind the curve.
They never catch up, they're never there to stop it when it's there.
It's always there, ready when it's gone, and it mutates.
So they claim.
So they claim I didn't see any reason.
I have never had the flu shot.
I just say, oh, if I get the flu, I get the flu.
And hence, you never got the flu.
And I never got the flu.
Because you didn't get the flu shot.
Well, people get the shot at like that 27% higher percentage of getting the flu and all these catastrophes that involve them.
It's just staggering.
The more people get out about the consequences, it's just god-awful.
Well, the first clue with the COVID-19 was they were violating long-standing protocol for handling infectious diseases.
When they started violating that protocol, that said they're not being scientific.
Yeah.
Well, here's the thing, guys, about science and technology.
This is one thing that I already saw happening in particle physics and then in medical physics, this was rampant.
The people who are genuinely top-class scientists have long left.
They have long left because they cannot take the bullshit.
So a lot of the times, the top people you really need to ask for what's genuinely going on are not in academia any longer.
They might work in industry.
They might have worked in the field in the past.
They can give you the inside baseball.
But there are still many excellent people around.
Just because you go to industry doesn't mean you suddenly drop 50 IQ points, right?
So there are brilliant people who could advise Trump, but he really has to be selective.
He needs to have enough intelligent people who can point to other intelligent people and debunk bullshit for him.
And just like with everything else, once you know and you're told where to look, just like with the false flag operations, once you know where to look, you can convince yourself that it's bullshit.
And one of the keys to doing it is when people, when large numbers of people in industry tell you, don't talk to that person there.
There you have a worthless program.
That's the first person you want to talk to.
Yeah, exactly.
Because it puts the interest in.
Because they view him as a threat.
Yeah, it's a threat.
Bill Benny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I am definitely a threat.
Should talk to you, man.
You got the solution to so many problems.
It's just unreal.
We got to have an real integrity from top to bottom.
And we may never have it.
We may never have it.
So, so far, what I can see is, I mean, how to judge Trump's, you know, what, how many months did he have in office?
What, nine, nine months, nine months in office?
I think the stuff that Trump did, including the flagpoles, including the ballroom, is phenomenal.
You can argue about the declaration.
You can take down the gold if you like for the next present.
Maybe you'll have something else, right?
Maybe he will go mid-century modern.
I don't even care.
But the point is that the big blocks that he put in place, the ballroom, will be great.
The flagpoles, yes, you know, there they are, right?
You can, you can actually make a statement with those.
The tariffs.
Oh, my God.
The tariffs.
And the tariffs were key and strongarming countries to make peace.
It's brilliant.
So the stuff that Trump, genuinely Trump did, right, that originated in his brain and he executed them are phenomenal.
The things that are totally shit is the stuff where he didn't have time to look at and he trusted other people to just bring him the advice on what deals to make.
Stargate AI is, I think, the biggest human trafficking program ever in existence.
And I think it's going to enslave the American people.
I think what Stargate AI will do is the first thing they will do is they will use the fact that American hospitals and doctor surgeries have quietly put in clauses that I saw in every single one.
We were trying to strike them out every time I saw them.
In the fine print in the US, if you go to a hospital or go to a doctor, you will find a clause about, oh, you know, DNA samples being collected or DNA.
You're basically in the privacy notices, you can't consent to DNA things, DNA analysis, DNA retention, blah, blah, blah, without noticing.
You have to follow all the links to realize what you're actually silently signing up for.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, what this is about is that American hospitals have been quietly building up DNA databases without really consent, with this dubious secondhand consent.
Now, Stargate AI, Trump already blurted it out, will run over medical files.
And what they mean is not just, oh, your history of when you had the sniffles and when you broke your ankle.
No, it is about these DNA databases.
It's the DNA information that they most likely already collected about you and your family.
That is what AI is going to run over.
Why?
Because the big money right now in the weapons industry is about DNA targeted bioweapons.
That's the big money.
That's the bleeding edge of research.
It's about how can I come into a community and just wipe out one particular family lineage or one particular ethnicity?
How can I wipe out only the Chinese people, only the black people, only the white people, whatever you might want to wipe out.
That is the biggest business.
And in science, we already saw that in medical physics where all the big research grants were going to DNA-based analyses.
And they brought it in back in the day when I was looking into it.
The way they brought it in was very, of course, it's always in the best interest of everybody.
They said, look, we found out that certain drugs, and I don't know which one, they come in drugs they quote, like aspirin or I don't know which, I can't remember which one it was, but it was over-the-counter stuff.
It turns out that for certain genetics, the side effects are 10,000 times more likely.
So to give you a random example, you take something for a headache or a cold medication.
And if you're Asian, you might have one side effect 10,000 times more likely than the others.
It's still rare compared to how rare it is, but it goes from one in 100,000 to maybe, you know, one in 10,000 for you.
And they say, oh, to study these side effects and make you so much healthier, like Big Pharma has done over the last, you know, decades.
Thank you.
We will analyze your genetics and we'll study this and we make sure that these drugs are safe for you.
Well, bullshit, motherfuckers, that's not where big money is going.
The big money is going for the opposite into the weapons industry and finding out how they can make you really, really sick with maximum plausible deniability.
So I understand some of the U.S. labs in Ukraine were actually targeting Russian DNA.
They're trying to find Russian-specific bioweapons.
Exactly.
That's exactly what this is about.
That is the bleeding edge of science right now.
And unfortunately, Trump, I think he sleepwalked into it because he was given advice.
Look, we have to keep up with AI, with China.
We have to keep up with them.
I'm like, really?
You have to keep up with concentration camps?
You have to keep up with Nazi Germany and the production of concentration camps.
Well, congratulations, because your Stargate AI will run over Americans' medical files, like Trump even blurted out on day two in office.
But what it will be is to the, then it's the Japanese doing.
Did nobody spot that?
Who did the Japanese work with in World War II, right?
Nobody finds it strange.
But anyway, they will run over American medical files and will figure out how to kill Americans.
Congrat you, fucking nations.
Well done.
Sure.
Now, I don't believe for a second Trump knew this, because if he had known this, if he had somebody in science who can tell him this, they would have, he would have thought, hang on a second, if I, you know, if this project takes longer than my lifetime, it will be my children and grandchildren getting this in the neck.
It will be his grandson and his granddaughter, you know, Carolina, who will be targeted by the deep state with those weapons.
It will be my genetics that I just passed to whatever that, you know, the, what's it called?
John Reed, the whatever Reed Hospital, the military hospital, where he just had his medical checkup.
Well, Walter Reed.
Well, that's where your DNA is, Mr. President.
That's where that's what AI is going to run over first because you were on the shit list of the deep state.
Right.
So, hey, right?
I don't believe for a second he would have signed up for Stargate AI had he been briefed on the truth about what's going on.
But I think what he was briefed on is: oh, we have to keep up with China.
And who would say no to that?
Sorry, I went on a science round.
I'm so sorry.
This is clearly my field.
I think the prospect the three of us are on the AI shit list is very, very high.
Very, very high.
And I'm so enjoying this conversation.
I can't thank you enough for joining me on a weekly basis.
It's joyful.
Do either would you have a final thought for today?
What's it?
Oh, just that all the problems that we have can be fixed and fixed properly and openly.
If there's a, you know, if you're transparent about what you're doing, which they're not, you know, and it could be done legally and it could be done fairly.
Yes.
And I would like to add it can be done rapidly and cheaply.
Yours was thin thread was $3 million.
Yeah, well, once you had it together, it was a matter then of just moving the pointers around to get the data you wanted.
And then it just automatically did it.
So what the American people need to know is less and less expensive as time goes on.
Yeah.
So people, so for the American people, I was told that too, by the way.
Yeah.
I didn't charge enough.
Yeah.
But the American people need to understand that they already paid for the NSA databases, all this data, the capabilities.
And your thin thread that could uncover any and all organized crime, child trafficking, drug trafficking, IED making, any sort of terrorist activity in moments, in minutes, and seconds is already paid for.
It can be put in place for $3 million.
General Hayden at one point testified in, I think it was Congress, they didn't have that Connect the Dots program.
That was a lie.
He had it all along.
That was running in 1998 inside NSA, Connect the Dots.
We had them all.
So it's already been done.
It cost $3 million the first time around.
In comparison, the Super Bowl ad for the Secret Service costs $2 million.
So for a Super Bowl ad and a half, you can solve any and all organized crime.
Well, and it threats.
And it threats.
And the president doesn't know that this shit's already been paid for many times over, but they don't want him to know because the problem needs to keep going so that the money keeps flowing.
That's his slogan, right?
That was characterizing NSA.
Actually, that's industry's vision statement.
Keep the problem going so the money keeps flowing.
What a sensational conversation tonight.
I cannot thank you enough.
Just absolutely wonderful.
I'm congratulating myself for having thought of interviewing these guys.
This is just a wonderful illustration.
I cannot thank you enough.
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