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	It took me so long.
	I know.
	i found Well, this is uh Jim Fetzer, your host on authentic news right now today, the 15th day of September, and we're trying something a little different today with Dave Scarbina as my guest here.
	I'll explain momentarily what saying plays.
	First, however, I want to begin with some stories.
	I did a uh two hour, two hours on the uh Charlie Kirk and got it nailed.
	I had the benefit of uh law enforcement guy with 25 years, uh uh a woman with screen actors guild and uh Joe Olson, who's uh physicist, and I'll tell you, we have nailed this sucker.
	I began the show saying I thought it was uh I thought it was like just what we had in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	That this was Butler 2.0, and those of you who may have followed me on Butler, I explained how I believe there was a real plan to kill Trump.
	We had like 26 million shares of GJT stock shorted that involves real money, but it would make a colossal fortune if Trump, you know, if the stock dropped, and if he were dead, obviously it would drop.
	But where Trump got word of what was going on, he figured it out and he flipped the script.
	Well, we had that happen here in Utah, uh there was a lot of planning that went into it.
	We're supposed to believe Charlie Kirk was a meddling priest, I suppose in some ways he was.
	Here's George Galloway talking about what I'd say is the prevalent view.
	Let me deal first of all with the charge laid by Benjamin Netanyahu, by the ADL in the United States, and by pundits here in the United Kingdom.
	You don't get to say that it is anti-Semitic to suspect the hand of Israel in the slaying of Charlie Kirk.
	Partly because you have slain, assassinated more political leaders than any other country on the earth Just in my lifetime.
	Don't make me go back to Lord Moyne.
	Don't make me go back to Count Bernadotte of Sweden.
	Don't make me go back to the British sergeants hanging booby trapped in the orange groves in Jaffa.
	Don't make me go that far.
	Let me just stick to my own political life span.
	You, Israel, have been assassinating people all over the world.
	All over the world, in Europe, in the Middle East, and further afield, all of my political lifetime.
	You assassinated almost half of the government of Yemen just 10 days ago.
	You don't get to say that it's anti-Semitic to suspect you might have had a hand in assassinating Charlie Kirk.
	When you told us to marvel at...
	at your percipients and that your ingenuity, your engineering skills, and your patience.
	When you waited years to explode every page in Lebanon, man, woman, and child.
	Let me say, you know, uh George is making a masterful presentation.
	I mean, I like what he's doing here.
	Uh, but it's not consistent with the facts of the matter.
	Uh, as I have been able to piece them together, and believe me.
	This was an arduous undertaking because uh this was an arduous undertaking because the evidence was so messy, the whole damn thing was such a convoluted mess.
	Uh what we had uh was uh use a prerecorded video.
	If you see, if you notice the led shooter when he runs across a wall and jumps down, there's no traffic, there are no students there.
	This was a big day, a huge event.
	He was only supposed to be a short distance away.
	That was recorded on an earlier occasion.
	They they mucked up in various ways.
	Uh you don't see him carrying the rifle, but the rifle is found in the woods and it's complete.
	Well, the claim was then when they try to make it up on the fly because of these glitches that he dissembled the weapon, Mauser can be dissembled, but it requires a special tool.
	It ain't easy to do.
	And then they said, well, he put half the rifle in his bag and the other half up his trouser leg.
	Well, that's rather absurd.
	When you jump down up the building, you're you're gonna compact like an accordion.
	You got a barrel of a weapon in your trousing leg, it's gonna go through your stomach, puncture your heart, you're gonna be dead.
	Incredibly stupid story.
	That didn't happen.
	And what's he supposed to do?
	Disassemble the weapon, jump, run away, and then assemble it again in it in the trees.
	I mean, there's so many phony aspects to this.
	But here we have uh the more obvious indication is CGI, and here's the deal.
	You're gonna find we got two different microphones.
	We got two different fingers for the ring.
	That's because these are two different videos, and we got girls describing two different events.
	We got those are saying they saw the blood gush out of the neck, but others saying they saw he was hitting the heart and the blood gushed out of his heart.
	Well, we know something real funny is going on, and it ain't real.
	Take a look at this.
	153 news dot net had been pretty good on this.
	Here we have what they got on the the shooting hoax.
	CGI, a dangerous boy.
	Here it comes.
	All that gushing coming out was really spectacular.
	All that gushing coming out was really spectacular.
	And it turns out he had on his wanted bag.
	Freaks.
	Oh.
	He had on his back a kind of a blood packet, and there's a little entry in the back of his neck for it to go shot.
	But the fact is, this is pre-recorded.
	This is what not what those who were there at the event saw.
	So what they they were very clever the way they set it up, very clever.
	Uh but It's not what happened.
	Here we have, for example, here's the magical ring.
	You see, he got the ring on one finger, then he's got it on another finger.
	Those that were working on this early on were pre-observant.
	Not counting gang violence.
	Great.
	Look closer.
	Not counting gang violence.
	See, there he's got it.
	There he's got it on his ring finger.
	He's got it on his ring finger.
	Thank you.
	And if you look at the microphone, look at that mic.
	It's got a kind of wide, it's got a silver band around it.
	Now no longer has a silver band around it.
	Different mic.
	I had a Monique Lucas from, you know, she's an actress.
	She's also a teacher.
	She was noticing these things too.
	The shirt kind of jumps up.
	There's like an air pressure thing.
	I'm telling you, this whole thing is totally manipulated.
	Totally stage.
	Meanwhile, we got uh listen to this.
	These are these girls being interviewed about it.
	You notice the reporter between my force.
	That's even asking.
	My name's Paris.
	I just wanted to come and be a contradiction.
	It turns completely different.
	What did you see?
	I I looked down when it happened, but so basically, um I heard a loud bang, which I figured a shot would be a little bit louder, but uh I just saw it hit him in the chest, and then all of a sudden, just tons of blood gushing right out where he's and then he like fell down and everybody got down and was screaming, and then we all ran.
	Can you describe just did he appear to be moving afterward or or what?
	Not at all.
	Um, I personally believe he was dead on impact.
	Oh my goodness.
	Um, what what happened after that?
	What did you what did you see?
	We well, we just everyone got down, everyone was so scared.
	And um, I just grabbed her, and my boss is with us, which is her mom.
	She was like, run, and we finally got up and followed the crowd, and I just kept holding her.
	I don't even have my shoes on, I left my keys, like, and everyone's just like scared.
	Like it it's traumatizing.
	Like, you know, it it's scary.
	Well, it ought to be traumatizing.
	Meanwhile, the men giving you know signals behind.
	There was a certain degree of coordination going on here.
	Some of the videos now are being age restricted, what have you, but this is wonderful.
	Danny Cyrus nailed it.
	There's a key player here.
	This guy who uh who is with Charlie Kirk, this guy with Charlie Kirk was also with Donald Trump and Butler.
	I mean, this is the last part of putting it together.
	Rounding out my claim, it was Butler 2.0.
	We even had the same guy uh running the whole shop, the fake shooting, and anyone you know, watch Butler closely.
	You could tell when they took Donald off the stage, he got a fake blood packet.
	There was no actual damage to his ear, virtually no blood.
	Later looking at his ear, there's no damage to the ear.
	It's ridiculous.
	If he had really been shot, it would have been permanent.
	Meanwhile, we know all kinds of things that are true, like that.
	Celebrities should have been calling out the Gaza Holocaust the entire time, and they're getting around to it now.
	Here we have Hex co-star Hannah Einbander said, free Palestine turned acceptance week for best supporting actress at the Emmy Sunday.
	Question later.
	She said she had friends in Gaza.
	I feel like my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel, because our religion, our culture is so important.
	There's a whole lot more.
	What I like about the event is that Charlie that that that George Galloway's impression of what happened has gone viral.
	The whole world believes Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk.
	And the fact is it's caused everyone to take another look at Israel, at the U.S. relation to Israel, at the genocide.
	I think it's been, if I may say so, a turning point in our understanding of Israel.
	Now remember, Charlie had been wandering off the reservation.
	Charlie had gone to Israel, he'd looked at the wall.
	He was doing interviews.
	He was saying he thought it was not anti-Semitic or even un-American to raise questions about what had happened on October 7th.
	That all of Israel is IDF.
	He made that point.
	He said you can't walk 10 feet without hitting someone with an AR-15 or a machine gun.
	And he's absolutely right.
	So he's saying something's very wrong there.
	He's also explaining that he thinks the U.S. ought to be reconsidering its support for Gaza.
	He'd actually gone to Donald Trump and told him directly face to face.
	He didn't think the U.S. should be bombing Iran.
	Well, look, they got a they got a 40 million war chest for the turning point USA, 40 million.
	You got a leader who's charismatic, highly intelligent, very persuasive, who's wandering off the reservation.
	They wanted to deal with this, but either Trump or them all, and I'm not sure BB was in on this.
	I think Trump didn't want Charlie to be taken out.
	And he suggested he do what he did in Butler, that he had a stage shooting.
	And uh no matter how often I explain this, the overwhelming majority of the world is going to believe Israel took him out.
	95%.
	I don't think more than 5% ever put together two and two with any of these big events, whether it's JFK 9-11, whatnot, though I like the idea.
	And I did observe that the timing was rather remarkable.
	You had this huge 9-11 conference beginning at 5 p.m.
	Eastern, and you got the shooting about 2:30, which is perfect timing to just smother the 9-11 conference.
	Now, from what I've been able to discern, those who have listened to parts of the 9-11 conference, it really wasn't a breakthrough event.
	They weren't really talking about how all four of the aircraft crash sites had been fabricated or fake.
	They weren't really talking about whether it could have been done with directed energy or mini nukes rather than nanothermite.
	They weren't really talking about Israel having been the call pad, that this was an Israeli plot to draw American forces into the Middle East to take out the modern Arab states that were counterbalanced Israel's domination of the entire region, which goes on a pace to this very day.
	Six of the seven had fallen.
	Syria is now running by former IDF guy.
	I mean, what could be more glorious?
	Only Iran stands in the way.
	So they've been highly successful.
	But the fact is, if they're not talking about those issues, this 9-11 conference isn't going to amount to anything.
	David Sabina, who's also a philosopher, uh fascinating.
	He's done a lot of work on the idea that maybe the theology we've given, the stories about Jesus Christ, aren't all together accurate, factual.
	But for the moment here, I'm interested in his take on what I've been explaining about the Charlie Cook.
	David, your thoughts.
	Well, thanks, Jim.
	Yeah, clear, clearly, uh, I mean, it's obviously early.
	There's a lot of data that we don't know, and there's a lot of suggestions that maybe aren't confirmed yet.
	So it's uh yeah, it's always tough to try to piece things together early.
	But but yeah, I'm highly, I'm like you, I'm a highly suspicious, right?
	That uh that uh Mossad had a had a hand in this one.
	I mean, it seems like they had an incentive to to uh to take him out to set an example for others like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and a few others who are also kind of moving off the reservation.
	So this could be a kind of a kind of a message, a warning shot to them in addition to taking out a troublesome sort of guy.
	Uh, I mean, it's a highly risky strategy to uh, you know, say we're gonna actually go through and execute somebody high with high visibility like Charlie, Pad.
	Um, so I haven't analyzed all the video clips as you mentioned.
	I haven't gone through that, so I don't have any real thoughts on that one.
	But just um, yeah, just I guess it you know it's highly suspicious that at this point, then there's a there was an incentive, there was an opportunity, and uh yeah, you know, I wouldn't would not be surprised if there was uh there was an angle there.
	Well, David, uh the audience may be a little bit flabbergasted because Friday as describing how it appeared most sod sniper probably IDF, maybe from 400 yards, that they had the Patsy shooter, you know, on the on the roof of the building, and that he got away in a plane and that took off illegally without trans bond or radar.
	But I now believe, in fact, that the plane was taking Charlie out.
	Charlie, in fact, is alive and well, and the whole thing was a manufactured of hand with very clever.
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	Well, it's a wonderful illustration of a point I've made many times that in scientific reasoning, when you're confronted with new evidence or alternative hypotheses, you may re have to reject hypotheses you previously accepted, accept hypotheses you previously rejected and leave others in suspense.
	Friday, on this very show, I was outlining how it appeared to have been an IDF sniper and got away in the plane that was in fact uh connected to the Chad Lumovichers, and now I'm telling you, no, the whole damn thing was a fabrication, and the plane actually probably was flying Charlie Kirk out of town.
	It's that different.
	And if I know this is not going away, David.
	Two hours, we did two solid hours with Danny Cirrus.
	You got more than 25 years of law enforcement experience, Monique Lucas, who is, as I say, member of Screen Actors Guild.
	She's a teacher, but also an actress, and with Joe Olson, and those of you know Joe, he's such a smart guy.
	And I think we sorted it out.
	Now that was on the revolution radio show, uh the raw deal.
	It's just been set to bit shoot.
	And I'll be sure to include a link in uh tomorrow's tomorrow's show right here, or you can go to my BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer.
	It'll probably be up within an hour.
	Uh, and take all look, because I think the evidence is definitive.
	On the other hand, as I'm saying, I don't think that the world is gonna change its views.
	I think that the effect of what took place, so widely believed that Israel had committed this as a real assassination, is that a shattering effect on Zionism worldwide.
	In other words, it has caused so many people to take a second look to reconsider the genocide, reconsider Israel, their attitudes.
	Charlie was leading this youth movement where they were now supporting Hamas.
	Uh, Gen Z by recent surveys was supporting Hamas by 65%.
	Well, that's rather astonishing.
	And I think Charlie was learning from them as well as they were learning from him.
	I do agree that that BB would have been a black take about this.
	I do agree Ben Shapiro was salivating at the idea of taking over turning point with its 40 million, you know, in reserves, but now it's no longer what it was under Charlie.
	Now it's a Jewish organization.
	It's gonna become a propaganda, it's gonna divide, it's not gonna be coherent.
	But if I read it right, what we had here in in uh Utah was was Butler 2.0.
	Now the influence of Israel continues Unabated.
	We got U.S. lawmakers introducing a thought police bill to strip citizens of passports for those who criticize Israel.
	How outrageous is this.
	A U.S. congressman is introducing a bill that could potentially be used to deny US citizens the right to travel based solely on their speech, including for criticism of Israel as the Intercept reported.
	This is very, very telling, in my opinion.
	We also have uh House passing a bill to punish anyone who participants in the boycott of Israel.
	Far right representative Lauren Bobart added an amendment in the panic on budget targeting the BDS movement against Israel.
	So they're moving unabated.
	On the other hand, Scott Ritter is telling us Israel is losing.
	Well, first of all, Israel's not going to win this war.
	Um there is no plan.
	Uh I don't know how many times it's like watching the Germans uh, you know, rush troops into the Barracadi factory in Stalingrad.
	Um, I don't care how many times you get in fresh troops, you run in the Soviets were dug in, and they they will repel you.
	Hamas is going nowhere.
	You know, you said we're you know coming up on two years on this conflict.
	Um, the fact of the matter is, you know, Israel estimated that at the beginning of this uh Hamas and uh Islamic jihad had between 30 and 40,000 active combatants.
	And after two years of war, Israel says they've killed 8,900 of them.
	But those aren't trigger pullers.
	I mean, the number of trigger pullers is probably less than half of that.
	Many of those 8,900 are postmen, uh teachers.
	Uh anybody who took a paycheck from Hamas, if you were a man of military age and you were paid by Hamas in any function, you were considered to be a Hamas militant and counted in the casualties.
	Uh, but the the number of trigger pullers actually killed by Israel is uh suddenly.
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	Since the audience may be in a state of shock, not just from my transition from believing it was authentic to believing it was staged, but to today's show in format.
	Let me mention Donald Zucker, knowing that RBN operates on a shoestring, being somewhat concerned about how many religious believers call into the show.
	Offered to provide a thousand bucks to RBN if we'd bring in someone to represent an alternative point of view.
	Being an agnostic, of course, myself, I've I found this an intriguing idea.
	Mike and I kicked it around, and we decided to try it as an experiment with David here.
	And uh so I'm I'm interested to get your feedback.
	We'll have a conversation about an hour, then we'll take your questions.
	It'll be a more abbreviated question period, but I'm sure there'll be a lot of questions.
	David, I want to give you the floor.
	And if there's anything you'd like to screen share, we can do that.
	Just let me know if you'd like.
	Yeah, thanks, Jim.
	Now not nothing offhand to share, but I just kind of talk through the points here just to get people thinking about things.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The focus is my my book, The Jesus Hoax.
	It was originally published in 2016, and recently we came up with a revised second edition.
	And and yeah, you know, the basic argument is sort of the story is is fraudulent, right?
	The traditional biblical story is kind of a hoax.
	And it was a it was a construction, a deliberate construction for deliberate purpose, right?
	So that was kind of the basic pretext.
	And there's a lot of uh direct and indirect evidence that that was the case.
	So I'll just give you sort of the sharp version of the argument, and we can go to the show.
	Let me just interject thematically.
	We had the Charlie Kirk shooting, which um on my account was a hoax.
	And now on David's account, uh most perhaps not all of the story about Jesus was also a hoax.
	Go right ahead, David.
	Yeah.
	So right.
	So in the in the context of uh Palestine in the era, right?
	So we know that the Romans had moved in, they took over, they threw out the Jews who were in power in Palestine.
	And the Jewish elite were really incensed from everything that we can tell.
	They they hated the Romans and wanted to drive them out.
	Some fought militantly against them.
	There was a zealot movement that sort of fought to, you know, uh assassinate individual Romans to try to try to drive them out.
	And that clearly wasn't working, right?
	Rome Romans were too powerful, the Jews were too weak, so that wasn't going to work.
	So in that context, you know, there was uh various agitations against Rome.
	And on my thesis, there was a historical Jesus.
	So there was a rabbi, uh Jesus of Nazareth, who was agitating against uh the Roman powers on behalf of the Jews, uh, wanted to throw the evil Romans out, um, really, you know, uh yeah, agitated for social change, insurrection.
	So he was a political uh revolutionary in that sense.
	And the Romans did what they did to most insurrectionists of the time.
	They they captured him and they executed him by crucifixion.
	So and then he then he's dead and he's gone.
	I think that's probably what actually happened.
	Jesus was an actual mortal person who was uh agitating against Rome, got himself crucified, and then he's gone.
	Three years later, Paul comes along, and uh he's trying to uh come up with some strategy to undermine Rome.
	He knows that the militant approach is not working.
	This is about the year 33 AD.
	Uh militant approach is not working, ex random executions are not working.
	He knows that the masses are sort of buying into the Roman power system and they're benefiting from it in some ways, and that they probably uh probably support Roman rule because it was uh had a lot of personal benefits, social benefits to them.
	So we can imagine that Paul invents a method, an ideology that's going to oppose Rome, it's gonna appeal to the masses, and it's gonna draw them more to the Jewish side and away from the Roman side.
	So that was the basic, that's my basic contention, right?
	That that Paul was the original constructor of a story.
	He took the actual story of a of a crucified rabbi after the fact, turns him into the son of God.
	Uh, you know, uh uh claims that he's here to save all of humanity as long as you believe him, as long as you worship this Jewish rabbi, as long as you worship the Jewish God, Jehovah.
	And uh as long as the you know we recognize that the Romans are the hated uh uh evil powers of the world, and we fight against them, and that was kind of, I think that's the basic story that gets constructed by Paul.
	Paul dies, the New Testament writers pick up his story.
	Uh again, this is some decades after the crucifixion, they elaborate the story, they introduce miracles.
	Um yeah, they continue the the process of of trying to pull the the creating a new ideology, it's a new religion, a new religious ideology, it's pro-Jewish, it's anti-Roman, and uh it's it works to undermine at an ideological level the masses and gets them away from from Rome.
	So I think that's really the the purpose that was part of that hoax, yeah.
	Let me just say I've always you know from a philosophical point of view as a philosopher of science, felt the miracles were uh real source of vulnerability, uh, because we're talking about laws of nature that cannot be violated and cannot be changed.
	That's why they're miraculous, because they're violations of law.
	I I've I've often thought it made more sense to envision God as the lawmaker, the maker of the laws of nature.
	See, and then if if God is a creator makes the laws of nature, then the world operates in accordance with God's laws, but we're not talking about moral laws, we're talking about physical laws, you know, chemistry, biology, but And so on,
	and that turning water into wine surely oughtn't to be a litmus test for believing in Christianity because again walking on water, unless the lake is frozen, can't have him.
	So, you know, I worry about loaves and fishes, you know.
	Some of our callers can recite all these purported miracles in detail, every single one.
	So I myself have always felt that was a vulnerability.
	The one period of my life when I was in uh organized religion, junior high and high school, where I was an acolyte saying in the choir, was a president of young people's fellowship, gave a sermon on youth fund day, was the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
	I always wondered what are we talking about?
	One God or three.
	I mean, this has always been perplexing to me.
	And I've honestly never had a satisfactory solution.
	Now, you're suggesting it was a real historical figure, Jesus of Nazareth.
	And I take it you suggest he was actually a rabbi himself, a rabbi.
	He was a moral teacher.
	But you're attributing most of his stature and accomplishment to Paul, the apostle.
	Exactly.
	It's exactly right.
	I mean, yeah.
	Um, for a couple of reasons.
	And I think you're exactly right on the miracles.
	The miracles really are sort of uh uh an Achilles heel of the whole story, right?
	And and we know this because of the the the well, we have two basic problems.
	The one the first basic problem is the prop what I call the problem of the evidence.
	So we have really zero, literally zero evidence of Jesus' existence, of the miracles, anything during his entire life's lifetime.
	So if we see if we say he was born around the year zero and he was crucified around the year 30.
	So there's three decades, right?
	Of miracles starting with the miracle birth and the Star of Bethlehem, and you know, God knows what happened in between because we don't really know.
	And then he's got his three-year ministry when he's performing these.
	There are 36 miracles, by the way.
	I've got them all documented in my book.
	But the problem is nobody that we have the absolute zero record of this, right?
	There's no contemporary evidence by friends, by foes, by the Romans, by Jews, by Greeks, nothing.
	Nothing's written, there's no, there's no uh evidence, uh remains, there's nothing that indicates that those things actually happened.
	Nor is there any evidence of Jesus at all.
	There's no mention of him by any writers, by any contemporaries, by any friends, foes, nothing, literally nothing during that entire time.
	And that's like, yeah, functionally impossible, right?
	That the Son of God comes to earth, works these miracles, teaches for three years, and literally there's zero evidence, nothing remaining at all, right?
	Um, and and even in Paul, when Paul starts writing, we don't even know uh we have about 10 years of Paul, where there's nothing that we have any evidence of from about the years from the year 33 or so when he had his vision on the road to Damascus, when he gets the idea in his head that he's going to use this Jesus character, till the first letter of Paul that exists, which is Galatians, which is typically dated about the year 50.
	So we have almost 20 years in Paul's life when there's nothing, literally nothing, no evidence, no documentation, no surviving letters, nothing at all.
	Um, so that's like that's also suspicious.
	Then we have the handful of letters that come from Paul.
	Supposedly there were 13 of them, but we know that at least half of those, six of those are bogus because they're fraudulently attributed to Paul.
	So we think maybe there's seven or maybe six that are authentic that are authentic, Paul.
	But even those are very strange because it's a very stripped-down theology.
	It's it's very bare facts.
	There's no quotations from Jesus, there's no facts from his life, there's zero miracles in these letters from Paul.
	It's like none of that stuff has existed yet.
	The story didn't exist yet of Jesus' life or his miracles.
	And in 20 years of letters, we don't have one mention of any of these things in the letters of Paul.
	It's a really another very strange and telling fact that we don't have any evidence of this, which tells us that something, something is up, because it's really not feasible that that would have happened with no mention by either by Paul or by any friend or foe or any Roman of Jesus or his followers.
	Something I was always thought was wonderful about Islam is that it counts these great figures of the mass like Jesus and Abraham and Moses as great moral leaders.
	Whereas Judaism wants to eliminate all the Christians off of Earth.
	We got this, you know, this rabbi, widely regarded as a Meshiach.
	And they say, yeah, are you, you know, our Jewish God returned to Earth?
	He says, no, it can't be because there are still Christians alive on earth.
	How can a religion that wants to kill all the Christians, you know, stand tall?
	This is where I find Christian Zionism an incoherent position, David.
	It just shocks me.
	We got an ambassador to Israel, Mike Hogabe.
	He believes all this nonsense.
	He doesn't seem to realize that his support for the Jews is a support for a religion that wants to kill him and all the followers of Jesus.
	It dumbfounds me.
	Your thoughts.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	There's a very long history, and I devoted a full chapter in my book to sort of even going back to 300 BC.
	That's documented by this is, you know, obviously well before the Christian era, that the independent observers from Greece and from Rome are commenting on how malicious these Jewish tribes, tribes are.
	I mean, they, you know, they hate other people, they don't want to interact with them, they they're detested, they think they're better than everyone else.
	I mean, there's a this long multi-century history of you know, the the Greeks and the Romans being astonished at how misanthropic the Jews are.
	And and these guys, they they they would stoop to nothing, you know.
	They they treat us like animals, they treat people like dirt, and uh, yeah, that that's been going for a very long time.
	So it's entirely unsurprising that Paul, as an elite Jew, and the New Testament writers, who are also elite Jews, uh, they had total contempt for their audience, who was a Gentile audience.
	It was a non-Jewish audience, and they get complete contempt for these guys.
	They're gonna lie to them and construct any story or any ideology that they think that they need to if it's gonna serve their purpose.
	And that's consistent with the three or four hundred year history prior to that time, and it's been consistent for the last 2,000 years.
	It hasn't hasn't changed even to this very day.
	This total contempt that we see uh for non-Jews.
	And uh yes, I mean it's shocking to some people, but when you look at the history and you understand this long 25, almost 2500-year uh context, it's not surprising at all.
	It's completely uh expected.
	You know, it's kind of interesting to have you on today because I do think this Charlie Kirk thing is gonna shatter allusions about Zionism, about Israel.
	You know, I mean, of course, my own investigations have demonstrated the Holocaust was a hoax about World War II, that six million Jews were put to death.
	No one who investigates supports that as a serious claim.
	There are 236 references of six million Jews entire streets in the international press prior to the Nuremberg tribunal, beginning in 1890.
	And it's based in mythology in theology in Deuteronomy, a disputed passage that says a chosen people cannot return to the promised land until they're minus six million who are consumed in the flames, except there's not even a word in the original Hebrew for six million.
	So that's an interpolation.
	Well, we know from the International Committee of the Red Cross, which was keeping copious detailed records about all the inmates in all the camps, their age or sex or at this either religion or cause of death.
	Recalibrate 1993, the total 296,081 from all death causes combined, none of whom were put to death in gas chambers because there weren't any gas chambers.
	What there was in Oshwitz, for example, a symphony hall, a woodworking hall, hospital with OBGYN, even a broth hall, David, because Hitler was convinced.
	In a swimming pool, convinced by one of his generals, a men who work harder, they'd be knew they'd be rewarded with sex, which was very astute.
	I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, what else is new, you know?
	These were labor.
	These were labor.
	So did you just benefit from one hoax after another.
	I'm not just embarrassing.
	Now, what you're saying is Christianity has also perpetrated its series of exaggerations to put it mildly.
	And uh I I'm gonna have a hard time disputing this, but then again, you know, as an agnostic and as a photos for a science, I know miracles are impossible, so it's not gonna be persuasive in the lecturer.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I I mean you're exactly right, you know, and I think that's why there was no documentation of the miracles during the time they supposedly happened, so clearly I'm real pleased to have you here.
	We'll be right back.
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	i saw a film today oh boy the english army had just won the war Crowd of people turned away.
	Well, David, I'm really pleased to have you here.
	I think Doug had a great idea.
	I also think there are gonna be so many with so many questions that it's better for us to have the second hour as usual, devoted to callers.
	So anyone who's eager to get in on this, you can go ahead, you can start calling in now.
	And of course, you can ask anything you want about uh the Charlie Kirk uh my uh new take.
	And I just I just know some of you are gonna be in shock that uh this new evidence I encovered has made such a dramatic alteration in my interpretation of what's happened, but that's the nature of rationality.
	You get new evidence, you change your mind.
	It's those who continue on the same path, independent of the evidence, who are showing themselves to be propagandists, ideologists, non-rational.
	It's like with the 9-11 movement.
	See, you can tell who's really sincere and who's not.
	If you look at Changston, you see this little tiny hole and no evidence of any plane having crash here, which is readily explainable by no plane having crash there.
	Then when we get evidence from uh pilots that that flight was actually over champagne urbana, and you get evidence from the FAA, which I obtained that it wasn't even taken out of service until 28th September 2005.
	If you don't take that evidence into account, recognize no plane crash in Shanksville.
	What what good is there for you?
	And it's similarly with uh flight 77 wasn't even in the air that day.
	Go on, I'm just telling you, everyone, I want you to develop your critical thinking skills so you can look at the charlatans in 9-11, charlatans in JFK.
	You have no idea how many ponies in JFK I've exposed.
	Dozens, dozens, and it's similar with 9-11.
	Now, David, I want you to add whatever you want before we hit the break, and then we take the collars a second hour.
	Anything you feel you knew what need to add, add now, go right ahead.
	Yeah, I just want to kind of complete the point that I was making before the break there, if I could.
	Um yeah, I mean you know the the the the two basic problems with the whole Jesus story, right?
	It's it's kind of the idea that the evidence that we don't have and the chronology that we do have doesn't jive with the story that we've been given.
	So kind of it's kind of a two ends that we have a problem here.
	We were talking about the miracles, right?
	And we said that when the miracles happen, we have no contemporaneous evidence for the next 20 years, there's zero contemporaneous evidence by anybody in Paul's letters for the next 20 years from the year 50 to 70, no miracles at all, not a single mention in Paul of any miracles, And then Paul dies.
	There's the revolt in Jerusalem where the Romans go in and crush the Jewish revolt and they destroy the temple.
	And then the followers of Paul, they want to finish they want to pick up the story because they still hate the Romans, they still want to drive them out, so they need to pick up the game.
	This is the thesis, and this is where the gospels come in, because the gospels didn't even exist until then, until Paul is gone, until the temple is destroyed.
	The very the very first gospel is the gospel of Mark.
	Dave, I'm glad to have you here.
	We'll continue right after the break.
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	Chance in West Virginia.
	Join the conversation chance.
	Yeah, hello, Jim Bowl.
	Hello, guests.
	You know, I gotta say something, guys.
	I gotta say that I'm very suspicious of the timing of this subject right now, and I'll tell you why.
	Yeah.
	At this time, when we're all obviously being in the process of being exterminated and genocided by all means possible.
	Food, air, water, taxes, wars.
	Yeah.
	This would be this would be the perfect time to dissuade people from their Lord and Jesus Christ.
	Hey, look, there is no hope.
	You know, as far as I'm concerned, it makes no difference to me if somebody's an agnostic or a Christian.
	I happen to be a Christian, okay?
	But to dissuade people from the only hope they have that will give them the courage to fight the evil demons.
	I mean, after all, how does one explain the hatred of Jesus Christ and the Christians by the Jews?
	Think about it.
	I mean, I'm very suspicious of the timing of this, and I respect people's religious opinions.
	You know, but this something is just not right with the timing of this guy.
	Can I have a response?
	Sure, of course, chance you're gonna get a response.
	I mean, why would you think not?
	I mean, it's purely circumstantial.
	Doug brought up the idea a couple months ago.
	Mike and I kicked it around.
	It just happened to be today.
	What was circumstantial is uh all the business with Charlie Kirk and all that.
	I mean, I can schedule gas, but I can't control events, so I think you've got it backwards, if I may say, David, would you like to respond to it?
	Can you tell me why again?
	Why do I have it backwards?
	Because I scheduled David independent of all the other circumstances.
	I mean, you know, I didn't know Charlie Kirk was gonna be whacked and all that.
	I mean, you know, we had been talking about this for a while, uh, even before, right?
	Before there was any anything about Charlie Kirk.
	So, yeah, this is purely coincidental.
	We have we had but it's been in the works for a while.
	We even moved it.
	We rescheduled from last week to this week.
	So that's right.
	That's right.
	We were gonna do it last week, and I thought there was too much going on politically, so I deferred it to this, but it it's purely circumstantial.
	Not having David on today, that I can control chance, but events in the world over which I I have no control.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Okay, well, I can understand that, Jim.
	But nevertheless, I think the timing is is very poor.
	Um, I really do, because uh when I look around and I watch the world as it is, and and you know, and I respect everybody's.
	I I respect the fact that you're agnostic, believe me.
	Okay, and I respect that.
	I don't judge people.
	But what I find very suspicious right now is without the spirit, as far as I could see, and I'm not a scholar, I'm not a religious scholar.
	But without that faith, people are not gonna fight.
	People are not going to fight.
	And we're watching genocide right before our eyes.
	We're watching women and children being slaughtered.
	Yep.
	Without faith, it seems to me that there's an awful uh uh uh dissuasion of people to fight in some way.
	Now I could be wrong, and it bothers me because right now people are so confused.
	You know, I'm even confused now that you brought up uh the this is uh uh this Charlie Kirk thing could be fake.
	And and I keep an open mind, and I say to myself, you know what?
	It doesn't make a hill's beans worth the difference whether he was shot or whether it's fake.
	The point is how they're going to proceed now.
	They have a plan, and it's wicked, let's face it.
	What I see it makes no difference to me.
	I didn't know this guy.
	Would I want him shot?
	Of course not.
	But it makes no difference to me.
	If they shot him well, this is fake.
	I'm looking at how they're going to use it.
	And what I see coming down is wicked.
	Chance, chance, chance.
	Let me say, let me say.
	Because the whole world believes that's what Israel would have done.
	I mean, they believe Israel did it, Israel would have done it.
	It all fits.
	I gave you a perfect explanation Friday of how I thought then it happened.
	That impression has gone worldwide.
	The whole world believes Israel took him out.
	And the fact that I'm explaining it it didn't happen that way isn't gonna change the fact that that it's shattered illusions about Israel.
	It's already had that effect, chance.
	And I I therefore am overjoy overjoyed.
	It was hang on a second.
	It was Henry Kissinger said.
	I keep an open mind, Jim, okay, about what you just said.
	But with the fact remains that I'm very suspicious of the timing of the subject of Jesus.
	Okay.
	Be suspicious all you want, Chance.
	I bring you in to give you your opinion, give your opinion.
	You gave your opinion.
	You're wrong about it, but you know, that's your opinion.
	You're entitled to it.
	Well, I I don't know what you think is ominous about this, but I guess you've already said that.
	Yeah, Chance.
	Look, suspicious.
	I didn't say ominous.
	I'm not putting the guy down.
	I'm not, I'm just saying I find it suspicious.
	And I guess we'll see in the future.
	That's all.
	And I told him it was the I told you it was the yeah, thanks, Chance.
	I told you it was the other way around.
	I schedule David.
	I don't schedule the events in the world.
	David, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	You know that.
	Yeah, just a couple just a couple points.
	You know, I mean, uh the the caller's word that we won't be fighters if we don't have faith.
	I think he's making this comment, right?
	And I mean, obviously, people were fighters for their cause for the millennia and before there was ever a Christian faith, right?
	And of course, the point the point, the whole point is that the faith is misguided because it's a faith in a Jewish rabbi and a faith in a Jewish God.
	You know, both of which are not working in your favor.
	So that's why it's so important that you understand the the bogus nature of the of the of the theology so that you don't misplace your faith.
	And then you're misguided and you're making mistakes.
	Yeah, I agree, David.
	I agree.
	I'm delighted to have you here.
	Uh it goes back to the Henry Kiss and your observation.
	The facts don't matter.
	What matters is perceptions.
	The world perceives Israel as having done this.
	It has caused the world to rethink Israel, to rethink Zionism, to rethink genocide, and that's good.
	And believe me, it's irreversible.
	Discovering that it was actually staged, that's not gonna matter.
	But it has reached a turning point.
	And I say that's all but Jim, who staged it?
	If it's if it's anti-Israel, it wasn't Israel who staged it.
	It was some enemies of Israel who staged it, right?
	I think I think uh personally Trump having, you know, flipped the script in Butler.
	You got the same Trump guy who ran it in Butler for Trump and running it in Utah for Charlie Kirk.
	I think uh Trump likes Charlie Kirk.
	What I've seen is Charlie Kirk, I like Charlie Kirk.
	He's uh seemed to me uh strong, intelligent, articulate, and he was turning to a realization that maybe genocide is already genocide, isn't such a great idea.
	Maybe bombing Iran isn't such a great idea.
	Maybe the United States ought to be taking a different set all to the good.
	He was 100% right.
	I think this is gonna accelerate the process of getting the Zionists out of our government.
	That's the number one problem we confront today.
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	Dan, Dan, He didn't punch the button.
	Okay, go ahead, Renee.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, well, I I really welcome the discussion today, because in many times uh uh there are some people in here that feel entitled that this be an echo chamber if only for their particular belief.
	And I'm much more open-minded.
	And the thing is, um, because you know, the word history is his story.
	Now we know that how much we're being lied to today, and how much trouble we have trying to figure out the truth.
	Now, history's the east easiest thing to lie about because we don't have a time machine to go check.
	And so I question practically everything in his story.
	So the thing is, um, I I have some issues with people's bias.
	Like, you know, we are always talking, oh, we as Christians are the more moral, but I know I have witnessed a lot and been the victim of a lot of a lot of evil by Christians.
	And so the thing is, yes, the Jews have done terrible things, but if you look at the last 2,000 years, it is so-called Christians that have probably murdered more people than anybody else.
	So the thing is, you know, we have to realize we have bias and selective memory and double standards, and we use the kinder judgment side for our side, the more harsh against those that are different from us.
	And see, my problem is to say I love the moral and ethical teachings of Jesus.
	Unfortunately, most people I see do not actually follow that point.
	They go to the old test.
	And they use often, you know, God can be used, which is a saying, none will so jealously like commit evil or kill than in the name of their God.
	The thing is, God can be used for good or evil.
	And I have some issues with certain things, like this whole thing of if you want to start a cult like, okay, I've got this deal for you, fellas.
	It's like um, all you have to do is believe these things that I'm telling you.
	And if you say you believe them, I can forgive all the wickedness you have done in your life.
	Now, real think about that.
	That encourages sinfulness instead of being moral.
	If you think you can go keep doing wicked things, and as long as you believe in Jesus and ask for his forgiveness, your slate is wiped clean.
	Well, our no our system of laws just certainly does not operate like that.
	And we're supposedly the Christian nation.
	So I would like his opinions on my thoughts.
	Good, good, good, good stuff.
	Good stuff.
	I'm glad you called Tom.
	Go ahead.
	Tom and Florida, go for it.
	Now, did they get you here, Jim?
	Yes, yes, Tom.
	Okay, well, I just gotta say this.
	I want to say this, Jim.
	Uh, I don't know if you uh paid attention what happened uh in England uh three days ago uh with almost 750,000 people on the street for Charlie Kirk.
	Yeah, that story, Jim.
	It's wonderful.
	Okay, there are these kinds of uh awakenings all over the world, Tom.
	You're absolutely right.
	Yes, I'm I'm a static about it.
	Well, yeah, thank you.
	Uh and I had a friend who's called me from London yesterday, and he told me it was crazy.
	And the people were uh very, you know, they were very polite, they weren't uh being violent, right?
	They were, you know, they were saying they were flagged English old flags, and now you've got this liberal media calling the English red bar flag or red cross flag, racist, and all these white people are fed up with happiness going on in England, Jim.
	England is on is on a short fuse.
	I'm gonna call it that way, Jim.
	It is Tom's short fuse only you're absolutely you're 100% right.
	And I have friends over there.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	In London, especially.
	Tom, good, good, good.
	You got more you want to add?
	Go ahead.
	Yes, I got a bunch of stuff like that, Jim.
	First of all, Charlie Kirk has just changed the narrative.
	The sleeping giant is finally awoke.
	The giant is finally awoke all off through the outside of the United States and the rest of the world.
	Nobody being pushed around, Christianity's not gonna be pushed around by Jews, by atheists, or anybody.
	The Christians are gonna take the power, they were given that power.
	And I'm not even gonna bring in Rome.
	Forget Rome.
	Let's leave Rome out of there in the POPA, the Papa, whatever you want to call it.
	Okay, people have had enough of this nonsense.
	Jim, I want John to call in from Colorado, leave calling from Colorado, John, because you were right, and I was right, Jim.
	I mean, John uh John, we are both right.
	Me and John both said last week just had to do a trans homosexuality.
	Tommy's on how to do a trans sexual work.
	He's already here.
	He's on the call list, Tom.
	He'll be speaking later.
	Okay, well, John was right, and I was right.
	We both called out.
	I knew there was a homosexual behind homosexuality behind this shooting of Charlie Kirk.
	What else could it have been?
	And I knew this, I actually knew this two weeks ago when I saw him do a speech.
	There's something gonna go down.
	I I couldn't, I couldn't put together that he's gonna get murdered.
	But I knew there was a lot of protests by these transsexuals and ain't that who got Jim.
	Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom.
	Tom, I I get the impression very often you call in the second hour and you don't listen to the first.
	Am I right?
	Well, no, Jim, you don't remember, I'm taking care of a sick woman.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But I'm just saying, did you did you hear the did you hear the first hour today?
	No, sir, I did not.
	I didn't have time to listen to this first hour uh today.
	I thought you'd have something different.
	I'm just saying different targets, Tom, given the well, Jim, I still I still say that Charlie Kirk was outspoken against the the trans community, uh whatever you want to call them.
	I call I call it decadence and decay.
	And I think that's why he was targeted.
	I really do believe that.
	And if there was a Jewish narrative, that's how they use it, Jim.
	You know, you gotta remember back in Berlin in 1937, who was swinging from the chandeliers?
	Who was swinging from the chandelier?
	What population was swinging from the chandeliers and 37 in Berlin?
	Can you tell me, Jim?
	Oh, Tom, I wouldn't stay.
	I wouldn't steal.
	I wouldn't steal your punchline.
	Well, you know, it was a Jew, it was it was a Zionist queers.
	They were running their uh Berlin was a uh uh the homosexual community of uh Europe in 1937.
	Yep, yeah, Jim.
	Also, I want you to do me a favor, please, sir.
	Can you one day this week spend 15 minutes of your time and talk about uh uh uh George Lincoln Rockwell, please can you talk about him for 15 minutes and do a little research on him and explain how you why you think he was murdered in your opinion, why Rockwell was murdered?
	George Blinken Rockwell.
	It was a decorated uh he was a decorated eight.
	I I I record your suggestion, Tom.
	We'll see.
	We'll see.
	I think there were other issues in the first hour that I expected you to address, but because you missed the first hour, you you aren't.
	I'm a lot of stuff, Jimmy.
	Just throw something at me and I'll address it, what I think.
	Well, what do you got to say?
	I mean, I didn't know.
	Oh, Tom or uh archive, but oh Tom.
	All I can say is look, I think it's really woke up that I I think I think the Democrats are not going to get in power for the next 50 years.
	I guarantee it.
	Well, I I think awful old.
	I think this uh, real or fake, is going to have profound consequences, and they're already taking place, Tom.
	Listen, I got it.
	Absolutely, but I'm glad you called, Tom.
	I'm glad you called.
	Always glad to hear from you.
	Jim, it's so powerful.
	Thank you, Tom.
	Thank you, Tom.
	Dave in Texas.
	Name join the conversation.
	Hey, Jim, can you hear me?
	Yes, very clearly.
	Wonderful.
	I want to give you credit.
	This is one of the best shows you've had in a long time.
	Uh you're you're bringing so many things that are logical to the table.
	You know, I I I've watched people all throughout my life, and I'm not quite as old as you, but uh I don't, I'm not that far behind you.
	And uh I always hear people to want to tell you how to correctly interpret and read the Bible, but I never hear anybody talk about where it came from, who put it together, and I think it has to be addressed historically with evidence.
	Yeah, if not, it's just more stories.
	Yeah.
	I think Zach had a and I think I think Zach had a great idea in bringing David in here today.
	I'm real tickled about the whole thing.
	Go right ahead.
	Continue, Dave.
	I I agree.
	Um, I think that one of the the main I'm gonna carry over.
	We got a break, but I'm gonna carry over.
	Stand by, just stand by.
	We'll be right back.
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	these broken wings dave go right ahead Okay, Jim.
	I just take the Bible and I take the control of the Jews and media and publishing houses throughout the world.
	And it's my gut feeling that if the Bible was actually correct to the Jews, it wouldn't be published.
	Pure and simple.
	I think though it's a colossal blunder to combine the old testament with the new.
	I think the news should have stood on its own.
	I want to get Dave's opinion on that.
	But go ahead, Dave, if you want to ask us answer something before I ask Dave and go right ahead.
	Well, uh, can you hear me?
	Yes, we can hear you.
	I I just think that if if the Bible was actually any threat to the Jews, it would be attacked in it wouldn't be published and distributed like it is.
	Well, take a look at how the ADL and SPLC they they addressed everything.
	If anybody says anything anywhere, they they attacked.
	But Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave.
	It was a development historically, the so-called Schofield Bible, where it has these annotations that spin everything in favor of Israel.
	It's really like a recipe why Christians should be adoring of Israel and give them all their worldly goods.
	David, would you agree?
	Dave, Dave, I'm asking David here.
	We got two Davids.
	David, you are Dave.
	He is David, my guest David.
	Would you think storage?
	That's not a problem.
	David, Yeah, so right.
	I mean, right.
	The base the basic situation is we're dealing with Jewish documents from front front to to back, right?
	So the old testament was the Jewish Bible.
	It was written by Jews, for Jews, about Jews.
	It was never intended for anybody else to read or to use.
	So that's one document.
	And then the New Testament, which doesn't even date until you got the handful of letters from Paul.
	You got the four gospels, which date from the year 70 to 90, roughly A.D., decades after Jesus' life, which is supposedly recording what he said and did, even though nobody remembers, you know, 40, 50, 60 years after he died, what he actually did or said.
	Alcredo by Jewish writers.
	That's that's who those guys were who who wrote the gospels, and they wrote it uh for uh Jewish purposes, right?
	So it's it's it's uh it's it's a similar situation, but it's a completely different document for a different audience, right?
	So you got to keep it a lot of this stuff was written by a genocide lunatic named Jeremiah, who is uh apparently absolutely lost in space and his words being taken to be divinely inspired, is just a colossal intellectual blunder.
	Dave, you go right ahead.
	Now, Dave, the caller.
	I I agree wholeheartedly.
	I I think that you know, in the research that I've done, if you take a look into Martian and his resurrection of the supposed writings of Paul and their adoption in the third and fourth century by Eusebius, and I I think it's all historically bugged.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's the bottom line.
	That's good.
	That's good, Dave.
	Good stuff.
	I'm glad you're called.
	Uh Alexander in Canada, join Alexander.
	We're gonna hit a break and I'll carry you over, Alexander.
	Yes.
	Um, so uh point uh a couple of points.
	Sure.
	You see, um and see my thing you're giving Charlie Kirk uh too much credit here.
	See let me just give you uh a couple of examples.
	Charlie Kirk was well, he supported the uh the LGBTQ.
	You know what he said in the interview?
	I have no problem with a child having two gay fathers.
	That's how disgusting he was.
	Okay, how we wrote a book called Yeah, how long ago?
	How long ago?
	Uh Alexander.
	I think there was uh, you know, I think more recently he really been changing his views, but go ahead, go ahead, lay it out.
	See, look, he didn't change his view on on having the uh a child having two gay fathers.
	Okay.
	And see, and also he wrote a book called He wrote a book called College is a scam.
	Well, which is obviously all propaganda.
	I don't believe that college is a scam.
	Right.
	And you anybody should should go to college.
	And also he was staunchly anti-Islamic.
	He said Prophet Muhammad was a terrorist, Islam is violent.
	Yeah, the same garbage you kept he kept on learning from his Jewish buddies.
	Yeah, okay.
	And and also uh sorry, uh I saw a video that was done uh um uh this was done like a month ago, and and this was done a video by a Gen Z person.
	I I forget his name, it wasn't anybody important.
	Okay, hold your hold your hold your thought, Alexander.
	We'll be right back with you.
	We'll be right back.
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	Alexander, before you continue, I just got an email from JS.
	Very interesting.
	A more believable explanation, he writes, is the Israelis arranged the fake shooting to intimidate their critics with Kurt's family meaning threatened.
	So Charlie complied with her SIH.
	That's very interesting.
	Very interesting indeed.
	JS, thank you for sending that.
	Alexander, go right ahead.
	Um I I am not familiar with this whole uh SYOP and and and what you just said.
	So I I um but yeah, like if there was a five, I won't be always surprised.
	But see, but see my problem is that like people are giving uh Charlie Kirk way too much credit uh for helping the movement.
	He actually damaged the movement for being controlled opposition and and and so on.
	And and also I want to tell you something.
	You said last week, Charlie Kirk made a statement saying that it's not anti-Semitic to question it to question Israel October 7th.
	You're absolutely correct.
	I've seen the video during the weekend.
	Okay.
	But but and and see so I never argue I'm not I never disputed that with you last week.
	Okay.
	But see, sir, here's my my here's my point.
	Charlie Kirk said it's not anti-Semitic to question October 7th or whatever.
	But see, I but see Charlie Kirk never ever said October 7th was an inside job.
	He never said that Jews were k were killing killed 500 Jews on October 7th.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He never he said he never went that far.
	Yeah.
	He said he he never went that far.
	You're correct, Alexander, but he did say it was not anti-Semitic.
	It was not un-American to have questions about October 7th.
	Well, that's a giant leap forward.
	So, you know, I give him a gold star for that.
	Um, yes.
	And and also, uh, another thing about uh the Ben Shapiro issue.
	See, Ben Shapiro was always there.
	Uh turning point the silver was uh what was a Jewish organization.
	Like it see see the reason they bought Charlie Kirk, so so because he was he was pr pretending to be a Christian man with a Christian values, and he never had any values.
	He but the Jews brought him up and and and and and pumped him up and so and so on.
	So so you would divide the the the Christian community and see and see his church ha had an Israeli flag.
	W uh w where he uh um the Christian church that he attended.
	Let me say, yeah, let me just let me just add.
	Yes, if JS is right, if they stage a shooting, you know, people believing it to be real to intimidate their critics.
	It has backfired massively.
	The whole world is reacted to this with horror.
	So they haven't accomplished their goal.
	David, would you agree?
	I think this thing is backfired unbelievably.
	Your thoughts.
	Well, it certainly seems that way, which you know it really makes it impl to me a little bit implausible that they were really behind it because they they it would seem like they knew they had so much to lose, right?
	So you know, not to mention you gotta figure out what you're gonna do with a surviving Charlie Kirk.
	What happens to him now?
	Yeah, I agree.
	That's all good.
	Go ahead, Alexander.
	Go ahead.
	That was an aside.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, yeah, yes, thank you.
	Um see.
	See, look, my my uh assessment is this.
	I agree with the with Mr. Tom from Florida.
	In my opinion, this attack was done by the people on the left.
	And and see, if you look at the left, uh the the gay people, the transgender people, the abortion people, the anti-gun people, that people support the illegal immigration.
	Alexander, Alexander.
	Alexander, I hang on.
	I guarantee you 100% it was fake.
	I guarantee.
	You're not gonna be able to watch a show I did this morning and not realize it was fake.
	So why would leftists fake it?
	Leftists would want to kill him.
	He wouldn't fake it.
	Well, Alexander, look, quick, quick, give me a final thought.
	I got several others.
	This is a hot day.
	Go right here.
	I'll be very quick.
	So look, I'm going by the uh I'm going by the uh uh um on on the thinking that there wasn't fake.
	See, but see, my point is this the leftist groups that did this Black Lives Matter, the anti the anti the the pro-abortion people, the anti-gun people, and see sir, all of these groups are funded by Jews.
	Yeah, especially by Chabad Lubovich.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	So so see, so see, so say my Jews were involved in killing him.
	And see, the reason they killed him so they can have this uh violence all over the place happening.
	Alexander thank you.
	I guarantee you one 100% it was fake.
	Watch the show from this morning, you'll understand it was 100% fake.
	But I always appreciate your calls.
	John in Colorado, John, join the conversation.
	Yeah, good afternoon, Jim.
	Um first thing I like to bring up is this thing about uh I see uh over the weekend I've been getting these uh texts from Turning Point USA about Erica Kirk.
	His wife.
	Yeah, and what's going on.
	The thing is, I didn't get a chance.
	I guess there's a video, I didn't get a chance to see it, but after that, everything you're looking for money or whatever.
	Do you have anything what's going on with her and what this turning point is?
	Well, she's been described as the worst crisis actress ever.
	Her her her memorial statement was pathetic, and then you got her at uh casket, and they they got a mannequin in there with rubber hands, and she's rubbing the hands.
	I mean, that's pathetic, actually.
	She's pathetic.
	She's she's not cut out for this, and she was a flop.
	She made the very bad impression.
	Go ahead.
	So you're you're you're saying that the Israelis are using that as propaganda to say that uh well.
	That was JS, JS saying that, you know, propaganda to intimidate, but it's backfired massively.
	I mean, this is the biggest mistake they've ever made in terms of Zionist propaganda.
	This is a fiasco.
	Fiasco.
	Mark my words.
	Fiasco.
	Yeah.
	John, go ahead.
	Anyway, because I got a friend.
	Yeah.
	I got a friend.
	I got a friend who backed that.
	Heard all this, was a more ended up a tribute.
	And uh he's of the kind that's uh a pro-Israel and uh the the attack on Iran was uh thing, he's a retired Air Force officer.
	So other than arguing about uh you know being a warmonger.
	Anyway, the other thing I was gonna bring up like I I got a little bit of Tom's comment.
	I think thank you very much when I said that last week about uh I I mentioned transgender, and I heard this from revolutionary radio, and you know, that kind of yeah, and um transgender homosexual, if that's a part that's that's not surprising at all.
	So that uh is um one of those things.
	If it's you know, the Mossad took him out, whether whether their IDF, transgender, just IDF, yeah, they they could do it, parchment.
	It would have been a piece of cake.
	I mean, there would have been nothing to it.
	I mean, that was my conclusion Friday.
	It's just astonishing.
	I was all over this over the weekend and put all these pieces together and brought in, you know, a member of the screen actors, get all the law enforcement experts who's cracked many false flags and and Joe Olson.
	I mean, I'm telling you, wait till you watch what we how we dissected the whole bloody thing this morning.
	Uh if that doesn't convince you, I can't imagine what would it was a hundred percent fake.
	But now JS brings up the idea that the Israelis wanted to fake it because they wanted to intimidate, you know, all their enemies, all their critics.
	And uh I'm just saying if that was the idea, it blew up in their face.
	Blew up in her face.
	Give me a final give me a final thought.
	Well, that's go ahead.
	Thank you uh folks that are your guest Jew.
	Yeah, I mean David.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm real pleased to have Thanks, John.
	I'm not I'm not um an expert.
	Talk to him about uh what they did when they converted to the King James Bible, and there was questions about who did it, were the Jews rewriting it without knowing that.
	It's not the King James, it's a Schofield Bible.
	That's when they made all these annotations to it.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, that's completely I've seen both, but yeah, the schoolfield.
	I I I say the old testament should never have been combined with the new.
	That was a colossal historic blunder with vast consequences.
	I don't think so.
	I think just think the Jews believe they're not following the first uh the new testament.
	The last thing is somebody I read this, the possibility that the that the Islam and Mohammed was invented by the Jews.
	Nah.
	I don't think he was a real one.
	He was a real guy.
	Thanks, John.
	Thank you, John.
	Thank you, John.
	JP Chicago, go ahead, JP, join the conversation.
	JP.
	Hey, Jim, I'm on my final edit on chapter 15 guys done, so I missed part of the beginning.
	Excuse me, Jane.
	But uh I want to start politics and religion.
	You know, it's gonna be my last call for a while, because I'm gonna get this book published, and I want to standing with you, Jim.
	But I really gotta combat this belief that uh uh Islam is a good religion.
	Uh it's not.
	You look at its history, Mohammed was a bastard that grew up in a cave.
	Now, I'm an American.
	I got my first man right, unlike Mr. Alex from Canada.
	He's not an American.
	My first man right says I freedom of speech.
	And I believe that religion is anti-Christ.
	This is why.
	He spread his religion through the sword.
	If you didn't join them, you died.
	He cut off Christian's heads, he cut off Muslim heads, that Muslims cut off other Muslim heads.
	They and they went after Jews.
	Okay.
	And Mohammed was killed by a Jewish woman.
	So that's what stirs up all this hatred going back to Hitler, who is allied with a lot of these Islamists, and they all hated the Jews.
	So they had this common threat there.
	Okay, so I'll end that, you know, instead of talking about Christ.
	Let's talk about the real antichrist, Mohammed and Obama and these SOBs that go around chopping people's heads off, subjugating women here in Chicago.
	No, let me finish.
	The Dan Ryan, there's always in the woods, young Muslim girls.
	You know why?
	Because their fathers kill them if they date before they're sold off into marriage.
	They don't wear the heat job.
	Their fathers kill them, and that's that's law according to Mohammed.
	Now Mohammed was poisoned by a Jewish woman, and he died without an air.
	And that's why Islam's weak today, because it's divided between the Shi'i and the Sunnis, and they're divided because Mohammed could never get it up and never had any children.
	All right.
	So let me put my hammer down and talk about politics.
	Now that RV I gave you, on the moment it happened, your first instincts were correct, Jim.
	Your first thing says always go with that.
	So I was trained by you know, high-level people in remote viewing.
	Your first thing seems usually correct.
	You said he's dead.
	He's dead.
	And I didn't want to admit to it.
	And you were right, I was wrong.
	At that point, I did an RV.
	I did a wait, let me finish.
	I did a remote viewing on it.
	I seen that his head was severed from the spine, so the spinal comet got attacked.
	Well, we didn't know till later is that he had body armor on.
	So the shot was an amateur shot.
	He didn't account for gravity and windage.
	The shot went down low, hit his chest, went up through his throat, and lodged in a spinal cavity.
	And I talked to Sam Andrews, who worked for the CIA for 20 years this morning, and he confirmed what I said to you on the day of the event.
	JP.
	So you're right back then.
	But your theory now is this information.
	This will be my last call because I'm sick of listening to Shit.
	That's just fine.
	You do well.
	Good luck with your book.
	Thanks for the last call, the last call.
	Let's see.
	James in Vancouver.
	James, welcome.
	Join the conversation, James.
	What a mean thing to say.
	Let me just say it didn't faze me in the least, James.
	Go right ahead.
	I'm uh I'm uh reprising Doc Holliday of uh Tombstone.
	I like that.
	We just watched Tombstone the other day, and uh he's the Bell Kilmer is so wonderful as Doc Holiday.
	I just love him in that role.
	Well, you're a daisy if you do, but we uh let me let's let's get this straight.
	We went to war for 911 and now we are going to war for Charlie Cook Kirk.
	I don't know.
	What what war do you think that's gonna what war is that can inspire?
	Well, those are my friends, the Chinese and their allies that are marching to Europe as we speak, because um Europe is finished, and um well, RT had an article this morning, but uh I I don't want to go ahead and divert uh our way.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	What's RT saying?
	Well, all right, so look at so look at we got people marching in the streets uh in uniforms, uh with flags, and if any uh rainbow people get in the way, they're getting pushed over.
	Um there's this mobilization, and you got uh tremendous uh uh people meeting uh Huntington Beach, California, of all places.
	Thousands of people are out there for Charlie Kirk, and even up in Edmonton at this concert.
	Yeah, but for Charlie Kirk, but aren't they opposing Israel?
	I mean, they think Israel killed that could be it.
	That is that you need them to do that is it.
	This is this is shattering the glass ceiling, protecting Israel from criticism.
	It's gone, it is gone forever.
	Yes, okay.
	We need those people to put on uniforms and fight.
	And the old white blue, you see.
	This was chart.
	This was Charlie Kirk's uh the whole turning point USA was a CIA op because I've never seen that many special forces guys at that Utah conference.
	They're all out there.
	These are bodyguards, this is special forces.
	Yeah, yeah.
	James, James, James.
	Who are we supposed to be fighting?
	Who are we supposed to be fighting?
	The people that are gonna attack coming from the far east.
	Sooner or later they're coming.
	Sooner or later.
	You're talking about China.
	It's not gonna go away.
	I don't want to take up too much of your time.
	Well, yeah, that's what my time is here for to take it up.
	Okay, all right.
	So the uh Ukraine thing is still on the boiler.
	And it's it's really boss, Ukraine, Russia won.
	I mean, it's just uh wailing.
	I agree, but right Russia's perception is that the West is gonna keep on adding the pressure.
	That being the case, Russia will still uh occupy um what's going on, and I think uh Russian drones went into Romania today.
	Uh I heard from my Chinese uh buddies.
	Did you hear anything about that?
	Not yet.
	Hello?
	Not yet, James.
	Not yet.
	Fire drones at Romania.
	Yeah, I haven't heard about that yet, but probably be in my story tomorrow, right?
	Well, you better check it out.
	I think the war is still hot, and I think the Houthis uh they fired at Israel a couple days ago for sure, and uh a whole bunch of states in Africa now are prepared to dump or are dumping Israel.
	Yeah, so all the United States got is Israel, Charlie and a bunch of European countries that can't fight.
	Well, this Charlie thing is gonna lead to a whole lot of dumping of Israel, mark my words.
	That's my belief.
	James, a final thought.
	The Chinese are coming.
	It's coming.
	Thanks, James.
	Let's see who we got here.
	Sean in Hawaii.
	Sean, join the conversation, Sean.
	Hello, can you hear me, sir?
	Very clearly.
	Oh, good, good.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Thank you for that awesome presentation on your other radio show.
	You really did uh rip that Syov apart.
	Oh, good.
	I'm glad you heard it.
	Nobody comes here.
	Seems to have any idea, you know.
	Well, I'm glad.
	I'm glad.
	Every one of your shows.
	Well, that's wonderful, Sean.
	Yeah, but if you if you look at what they did, this took planning.
	And what they did is they drowned out the night, the 9-11 truth.
	People are waking up in huge droves.
	Yeah, so he really did Israel a favor.
	He he he he acted out this this this fraud for Israel.
	Yeah.
	And uh I want to I want to say one more thing.
	Yeah, this uh you you may have it right.
	That's that's what JS is basically suggesting.
	The fraud was to intimidate critics of Israel, but I've been saying right along to drown out the smother the 9-11 conference and something also.
	All the Epstein revelations, you know, it's us kind of disappeared for the time.
	I think it will be back.
	But anyway, go right ahead.
	I wouldn't be surprised that they have I wouldn't be surprised if they have legislation for gun control called the uh the uh the car or whatever.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, but I want to address something to Tom said in Florida.
	Yeah, Europe's not gonna come back.
	He he said Germany's gonna come back.
	The gas and oil that was gonna put go go through Russia to Europe is now signed an ink with China.
	Yes, even if they had a peace deal today, yes.
	There's no oil and gas for Europe.
	Yes, and the Muslim, the Muslims are taking it over.
	I mean, they're singing um the Muslim song five times a day, and then they're gonna put in Muslim politicians, they're gonna rename Germany.
	And I can almost guarantee you they're gonna do it in ten years, and I think this war with Russia.
	Europe being lost to the Muslims.
	That that may well be right.
	Sean, I like your calls.
	I'm glad they don't assimilate.
	Yep, right.
	They don't assimilate.
	You're making good points, Sean.
	And I'm tickled that you I'm tickled.
	You heard the revolution radio show.
	Yeah.
	I'm on it.
	It's so professional, so professional.
	One thing.
	You can't have a religion without faith.
	Yeah.
	If an angel came down to talk to you, you'd be like convinced.
	You'd be convinced.
	They're a whole thing about this religion.
	I love the I I have a friend who's a devoted who's a devoted Christian and says, I'm gonna have one of these experiences, and then I'll believe.
	And I'm I'm open.
	I'm open.
	Everyone would believe.
	I'm open.
	Sean, you're you're great.
	That's what all the all the apostles were witnesses.
	And they even died a horrible death.
	They would just deny what they were preaching.
	So I mean, I'm pretty sure.
	I'm gonna come back to David.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Great, great show.
	Wonderful.
	Glad you called.
	Glad you called.
	David, you want to address some of that.
	Well, yeah, I think it's just important to be well grounded in the facts and the history that we that we that we know about the story.
	There's a lot that we're having to fill in the in the in the blanks, but um there's a lot of stuff that we do know.
	So it's important that we understand the facts, what's plausible, what makes sense, and what doesn't make sense.
	You know, I tried to do that in my Jesus hoax book is really lay out the actual facts that we know, what's the most likely solution uh conclusions that we can draw from the history and from the data that we have, and then uh and then address any criticisms.
	And so I yeah, I would just encourage all your listeners to uh yeah, take a look at the book.
	Uh you whether they're pro or con Christianity, they at least need to understand the history and the facts, and then they can speak more knowledgeably.
	Otherwise, they tend tend to look a little mistaken or foolish, right?
	So it's I think you're a very sensible guy, David, my fellow philosopher.
	I'm really yeah, I'm sorry, a little bit too rational there, but yeah.
	We got we got one more caller, hijacker, join a conversation, hijacker.
	Uh yes, Professor, always a great show.
	So I was putting together an anatomy of Charlie Kirk's and the whole fascination thing.
	Yeah.
	Um for my show on Revolution Radio.
	I'm the on the host over there also.
	But I didn't hear your show on Revolution Radio this morning.
	Yeah.
	But when I heard that Jim Fetcher said it's a psyop, I did like a roadrunner stop.
	I said, what?
	Because I was thinking, where's all the footage of all the blood on the floor on the on, you know, yeah.
	Uh it's all shaky, it's all the same type thing.
	So I definitely got to look I definitely got to look at it.
	But the one the reason why I did call in is that uh Patrick Hemingson, uh I think you know him.
	He's a he's like a peer to you.
	Uh he's got uh his big presence on uh the internet, Patrick Hemingson, yeah.
	I think um, and he lays out that Charlie Kirks is basically a Zionist creation, that he was a young, idealistic ideolog, much like I was, yeah, uh, and that he was based in Zionism, his flag, Dream City Church.
	Uh that person I called in, they're right.
	They they have the Zionist flag.
	So my thinking was that he was Zionist all the way up to the point.
	Uh, and he over even overlooked what was happening in Gaza, but it was a Epstein uh files.
	Yeah, I finally said that was a bridge too far, and I think that's why it come out.
	Yeah, but now that you say that it's all one big psyop.
	I've got to go back.
	And so when's your show on revolution radio?
	I can listen to.
	I know it's in the archives, right?
	Yeah, I mean uh go to my Bit Shoot channel, Jim Fetzer.
	Go to BitChute channel, Jim Petser.
	You're gonna find it.
	I'm sure it's already posted.
	Okay, very good.
	Thank you for watching.
	Thank you.
	I'm glad you called.
	Glad you called hijacker.
	David, I want to give you a last word here.
	I'm real pleased you were here today.
	I think Doug had a great idea.
	Wow, I'm just real happy.
	So give us some final thoughts.
	Yeah, well, right.
	Like I say, you know, it's it is this is a hugely important issue.
	I mean, the the the Charlie Kirk thing is in a sense, it's tied to the story, too, because we're talking about Christianity.

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