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	It took me so long to find out I found out this is Jim Fetzer,
	your host on Authentic News right now, today, the 15th day of September, and we're trying something a little different today with Dave Scarbina as my guest here.
	I'll explain momentarily what's taking place.
	First, however, I want to begin with some stories.
	I did a two-hour two hours on the Charlie Kirk and got it nailed.
	I had the benefit of a law enforcement guy with 25 years, a woman with Screen Actors Guild, and Joe Olson, who's a physicist.
	And I'll tell you, we have nailed this sucker.
	I began this show saying I thought it was, I thought it was like just what we had in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	This was Butler 2.0.
	And those of you who may have followed me on Butler, I explained how I believe there was a real plan to kill Trump.
	We had like 26 million shares of GJT stock shorted.
	That involves real money, but it would make a colossal fortune if Trump, you know, if the stock dropped and if he were dead, obviously it would drop.
	But when Trump got word of what was going on, he figured it out and he flipped the script.
	Well, we had that happen here in Utah.
	There was a lot of planning that went into it.
	We're supposed to believe Charlie Kirk was a meddling priest.
	I suppose in some ways he was.
	Here's George Galloway talking about what I'd say is the prevalent view.
	Let me deal first of all with the charge laid by Benjamin Netanyahu, by the ADL in the United States, and by pundits here in the United Kingdom.
	You don't get to say that it is anti-Semitic to suspect the hand of Israel in the slaying of Charlie Kirk, partly because you have slain, assassinated more political leaders than any other country on the earth just in my lifetime.
	Don't make me go back to Lord Moyne.
	Don't make me go back to Count Bernadotte of Sweden.
	Don't make me go back to the British sergeants hanging booby-trapped in the orange groves in Jaffa.
	Don't make me go that far.
	Let me just stick to my own political lifespan.
	You, Israel, have been assassinating people all over the world, all over the world, in Europe, in the Middle East, and further afield.
	all of my political lifetime.
	You assassinated almost half of the government of Yemen just 10 days ago.
	You don't get to say that it's anti-Semitic to suspect you might have had a hand in assassinating Charlie Kirk when you told us to marvel at your percipience and at your ingenuity,
	your engineering skills and your patience when you waited years to explode every pager in Lebanon, man, woman, and child.
	Let me say, you know, George is making a masterful presentation.
	I mean, I like what he's doing here, but it's not consistent with the facts of the matter as I have been able to piece them together.
	And believe me, this was an arduous undertaking because this was an arduous undertaking because the evidence was so messy, the whole damn thing was such a convoluted mess.
	What we had was use a pre-recorded video.
	If you see, if you notice the lead shooter when he runs across a wall and jumps down, there's no traffic.
	There are no students there.
	This was a big day, a huge event.
	He was only supposed to be a short distance away.
	That was recorded on an earlier occasion.
	They mucked up in various ways.
	You don't see him carrying the rifle, but the rifle is found in the woods and it's complete.
	Well, the claim was then when they try to make it up on the fly because of these glitches that he dissembled the weapon.
	Mauser can be dissembled, but it requires a special tool.
	It ain't easy to do.
	And then they said, well, he put half the rifle in his bag and the other half of his trouser leg.
	Well, that's rather absurd.
	When you jump down up the building, you're going to compact like an accordion.
	You got a barrel of a weapon in your trouser leg.
	It's going to go through your stomach, puncture your heart.
	You're going to be dead.
	Incredibly stupid story.
	That didn't happen.
	And what's he supposed to do?
	Disassemble the weapon, jump, run away, and then assemble it again in the trees.
	I mean, there's so many phony aspects to this.
	But here we have the more obvious indication of CGI.
	And here's the deal.
	You're going to find we got two different microphones.
	We got two different fingers for the ring.
	That's because these are two different videos.
	And we got girls describing two different events.
	We got those that are saying they saw the blood gush out of the neck, but others saying they saw he was hitting the heart and the blood gushed out of his heart.
	Well, we know something real funny is going on and it ain't real.
	Take a look at this.
	153news.net had been pretty good on this.
	Here we have what they got on the shooting hoax.
	CGI, a dangerous boy.
	Here it comes.
	I thought that all that gushing coming out was really spectacular.
	And it turns out he had on his swatted back.
	He had on his back a kind of a blood back.
	And there's a little entry in the back of his neck for it to gush out.
	But the fact is, this is pre-recorded.
	This is not what those who were there at the event saw.
	They saw him like being shot in the heart and blood spurt out at the heart.
	So they were very clever the way they set it up.
	Very clever.
	But it's not what happened.
	Here we have, for example, here's the magical ring.
	You see, he got the ring on one finger, then he's got it on another finger.
	Those that were working on this early on were pretty observant.
	Not counting gang violence.
	Great.
	Look closer.
	Not counting gang violence.
	See, there he's got it.
	There he's got it on his ring changer.
	So he's got it on his ring finger.
	And if you look at the microphone, look at that mic.
	It's got a kind of wide.
	It's got a silver band around it.
	Now, Notos no longer has a silver band around it.
	Different mic.
	I had a Monique Lucas from, you know, she's an actress.
	She's also a teacher.
	She was noticing these things too.
	The shirt kind of jumps up.
	There's like an air pressure thing.
	I'm telling you, this whole thing is totally manipulated.
	Totally stage.
	Meanwhile, we got, listen to this.
	These are these girls being interviewed about it.
	You know, it's the reporter.
	Let's even ask him.
	My name is Paris.
	I just wanted to come and be a different conversation.
	It turned completely different.
	What did you see?
	I looked down when it happened, but so basically, I heard a loud bang, which I figured a shot would be a little bit louder, but I just saw it hit him in the chest.
	And then all of a sudden, just tons of blood gushing right out where his apartment.
	And then he like everybody got down and was screaming.
	And then we all ran.
	Can you describe just, did he appear to be moving afterward or what?
	Not at all.
	I personally believe he was dead on impact.
	Oh my goodness.
	What happened after that?
	What did you see?
	We, well, we just, everyone got down.
	Everyone was so scared.
	And I just grabbed her.
	And my boss is with us, which is her mom.
	She was like, run.
	And we finally got up and followed the crowd.
	And I just kept holding her.
	I don't even have my shoes on.
	I left my keys.
	And everyone's just like scared.
	Like, it's traumatizing.
	Like, you know, it's scared.
	Well, it ought to be traumatizing.
	Meanwhile, there are the men giving signals behind.
	There was a certain degree of coordination going on here.
	Some of the videos now are being age restricted, what have you.
	But this is wonderful.
	Danny Sears nailed it.
	There's a key player here.
	This guy who is with Charlie Kirk.
	This guy with Charlie Kirk was also with Donald Trump in Butler.
	I mean, this is the last part of putting it together, rounding out my claim.
	It was Butler 2.0.
	We even had the same guy running the whole shop, the fake shooting.
	And anyone, you know, watch Butler closely.
	You could tell when they took Donald off the stage.
	He got a fake blood packet.
	There was no actual damage to his ear, virtually no blood.
	Later looking at his ear, there's no damage to the ear.
	It's ridiculous.
	If he had really been shot, it would have been permanent.
	Meanwhile, we know all kinds of things that are true, like that celebrities should have been calling out the Gaza Holocaust the entire time.
	And they're getting around to it now.
	Here we have Hacks co-star Hannah Einbinder said, free Palestine during acceptance week for best supporting actress at the Emmy Sunday.
	Question later, she said she had friends in Gaza.
	I feel like it's my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel because our religion and our culture are so important.
	There's a whole lot more.
	What I like about the event is that Charlie, that George Galloway's impression of what happened has gone viral.
	The whole world believes Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk.
	And the fact is, it's caused everyone to take another look at Israel, at the U.S. relation to Israel, at the genocide.
	I think it's been, if I may say so, a turning point moment in our understanding of Israel.
	Now, remember, Charlie had been wandering off the reservation.
	Charlie had gone to Israel.
	He'd looked at the wall.
	He was doing interviews.
	He was saying he thought it was not anti-Semitic or even un-American to raise questions about what had happened on October 7th, that all of Israel is IDF.
	He made that point.
	He said, you can't walk 10 feet without hitting someone with an AR-15 or a machine gun.
	And he's absolutely right.
	So he's saying something's very wrong there.
	He's also explaining that he thinks the U.S. ought to be reconsidering its support for Gaza.
	He'd actually gone to Donald Trump and told him directly face to face.
	He didn't think the U.S. should be bombing Iran.
	Well, look, they got a 40 million war chest for the turning point USA, 40 million.
	You got a leader who's charismatic, highly intelligent, very persuasive, who's wandering off the reservation.
	They wanted to deal with this, but either Trump or them all, and I'm not sure Beebe was in on this.
	I think Trump didn't want Charlie to be taken out.
	And he suggested he do what he did in Butler, that he have a stage shooting.
	And no matter how often I explain this, the overwhelming majority of the world is going to believe Israel took him out.
	95%.
	I don't think more than 5% ever put together 2 and 2 with any of these big events, whether it's JFK, 9-11, whatnot, though I like the idea.
	And I did observe that the timing was rather remarkable.
	You had this huge 9-11 conference beginning at 5 p.m. Eastern, and you got the shooting about 2:30, which is perfect timing to just smother the 9-11 conference.
	Now, from what I've been able to discern, those who have listened to parts of the 9-11 conference, it really wasn't a breakthrough event.
	They weren't really talking about how all four of the aircraft crash sites had been fabricated or faked.
	They weren't really talking about whether it could have been done with directed energy or mini nukes rather than nanothermite.
	They weren't really talking about Israel having been the culprit, that this was an Israeli plot to draw American forces into the Middle East to take out the modern Arab states that were counterbalanced to Israel's domination of the entire region, which goes on at pace to this very day.
	Six of the seven have fallen.
	Syria is now running by a former IDF guy.
	I mean, what could be more glorious?
	Only Iran stands in the way.
	So they've been highly successful.
	But the fact is, if they're not talking about those issues, this 9-11 conference isn't going to amount to anything.
	Now, I'm very pleased to have David here, David Serbina, who's also a philosopher, fascinating.
	He's done a lot of work on the idea that maybe the theology we've given, the stories about Jesus Christ, aren't altogether accurate, factual.
	But for the moment, here, I'm interested in his take on what I've been explaining about the Charlie Cook.
	David, your thoughts.
	Well, thanks, Jim.
	Yeah, clearly, I mean, it's obviously early.
	There's a lot of data that we don't know, and there's a lot of suggestions that maybe aren't confirmed yet.
	So it's, yeah, it's always tough to try to piece things together early.
	But yeah, I'm highly, I'm like you, I'm highly suspicious, right, that Mossad had a hand in this one.
	I mean, it seems like they had an incentive to take him out to set an example for others like Tucker, Carlson, and Candace Owens, and a few others who are also kind of moving off the reservation.
	So this could be a kind of a kind of a message, a warning shot to them, in addition to taking out a troublesome sort of guy.
	I mean, it's a highly risky strategy to, you know, say we're going to actually go through and execute somebody with high visibility like Charlie had.
	So I haven't analyzed all the video clips, as you mentioned.
	I haven't gone through that, so I don't have any real thoughts on that one.
	But just, yeah, just, I guess, you know, it's highly suspicious that at this point, then there was an incentive, there was an opportunity.
	And yeah, you know, I wouldn't would not be surprised if there was an angle there.
	Well, David, the audience may be a little bit flabbergasted because Friday I was describing how it appeared to be a Mossad sniper by IDF, maybe from 400 yards, that they had the Patsy shooter, you know, on the roof of the building, and that he got away in a plane that took off illegally without transponder radar.
	But I now believe, in fact, that the plane was taking Charlie out.
	Charlie, in fact, is alive and well.
	And the whole thing was a manufactured event with very clever.
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	How can we even say we can't be done?
	How can you say that you can learn how to play the game?
	Well, it's a wonderful illustration of a point I've made many times that in scientific reasoning, when you're confronted with new evidence or alternative hypotheses, you may have to reject hypotheses you previously accepted, accept hypotheses you previously rejected, leave others in suspense.
	Friday, on this very show, I was outlining how it appeared to have been an IDF sniper and got away in the plane that was, in fact, connected to the Chad Lumovichers.
	And now I'm telling you, no, the whole damn thing was a fabrication.
	And the plane actually probably was flying Charlie Kirk out of town.
	It's that different.
	And if I know this is not going away, David, I want to encourage everyone.
	Two hours, we did two solid hours with Danny Sears, who had more than 25 years of law enforcement experience, Monique Lukans, who is, as I say, a member of Screen Actors Guild.
	She's a teacher, but also an actress.
	And with Joe Olson, and those of you who know Joe, he's such a smart guy.
	And I think we sorted it out.
	Now, that was on the Revolution Radio show, The Raw Deal.
	It's just been set to BitChute.
	And I'll be sure to include a link in Tomorrow's Show right here.
	Or you can go to my BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer.
	It'll probably be up within an hour and take a look because I think the evidence is definitive.
	On the other hand, as I'm saying, I don't think the world is going to change its views.
	I think that the effect of what took place, so widely believed that Israel had committed this as a real assassination, is having a shattering effect on Zionism worldwide.
	In other words, it has caused so many people to take a second look, to reconsider the genocide, reconsider Israel, their attitudes.
	Charlie was leading this youth movement where they were now supporting Hamas.
	The Gen Z, by recent surveys, was supporting Hamas by 65%.
	Well, that's rather astonishing.
	And I think Charlie was learning from them as well as they were learning from him.
	I do agree that Bibi would have been apoplectic about this.
	I do agree Ben Shapiro was salivating at the idea of taking over Turning Point with his 40 million in reserves.
	But now it's no longer what it was under Charlie.
	Now it's a Jewish organization.
	It's going to become a propaganda.
	It's going to divide.
	It's not going to be coherent.
	But if I read it right, what we had here in Utah was Butler 2.0.
	Now, the influence of Israel continues unabated.
	We got U.S. lawmakers introducing a thought police bill to strip citizens of passports for those who criticize Israel.
	How outrageous is this?
	A U.S. congressman is introducing a bill that could potentially be used to deny U.S. citizens the right to travel based solely on their speech, including for criticism of Israel.
	As the intercept reported, this is very, very telling in my opinion.
	We also have house passing a bill to punish anyone who participates in the boycott of Israel.
	Far-right Representative Lauren Bohart added an amendment in a Pentagon budget targeting the BDS movement against Israel.
	So they're moving unabated.
	On the other hand, Scott Ritter is telling us Israel is losing.
	Well, first of all, Israel is not going to win this war.
	There is no plan.
	I don't know how many times it's like watching the Germans rush troops into the Barakati factory in Stalingrad.
	I don't care how many times you get in fresh troops.
	You run in.
	The Soviets were dug in and they will repel you.
	Hamas is going nowhere.
	You know, you said we're, you know, coming up on two years on this conflict.
	You know, the fact of the matter is, you know, Israel estimated that at the beginning of this, Hamas and Islamic Jihad had between 30 and 40,000 active combatants.
	And after two years of war, Israel says they've killed 8,900 of them.
	But those aren't trigger pullers.
	I mean, the number of trigger pullers is probably less than half of that.
	Many of those 8,900 are postmen, teachers.
	Anybody who took a paycheck from Hamas, if you were a man of military age and you were paid by Hamas in any function, you were considered to be a Hamas militant and counted in the casualties.
	But the number of trigger pullers actually killed by Israel is something wrong I lost.
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	Picks up the rice in the church where a wedding has been.
	It's in a dream, waits at the window, wearing the face that she keeps in a jar by the door.
	Who is it for?
	All the lonely people.
	Where do they all come from?
	All the lonely people.
	Where do they all come from?
	Since the audience may be in a state of shock, not just from my transition from believing it was authentic to believing it was staged, but to today's show and format.
	Let me mention Donald Zucker, knowing that RBN operates on a shoestring, being somewhat concerned about how many religious believers call into the show, offered to provide a thousand bucks to RBN if we'd bring in someone to represent an alternative point of view.
	Being an agnostic, of course, myself, I found this an intriguing idea.
	Mike and I kicked it around and we decided to try it as an experiment with David here.
	And so I'm interested to get your feedback.
	We'll have a conversation about an hour, then we'll take your questions.
	It'll be a more abbreviated question period, but I'm sure there'll be a lot of questions.
	David, I want to give you the floor.
	And if there's anything you'd like to screen share, we can do that.
	Just let me know if you'd like.
	Yeah, thanks, Jim.
	Nothing offhand to share, but I just kind of talk through the points here just to get people thinking about things.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the focus is my book, The Jesus Hoax.
	It was originally published in 2016.
	And recently we came up with a revised second edition.
	And yeah, you know, the basic argument is sort of the story is fraudulent, right?
	Traditional biblical stories is kind of a hoax.
	And it was a construction, a deliberate construction for deliberate purpose, right?
	So that was kind of the basic pretext.
	And there's a lot of direct and indirect evidence that that was the case.
	So I'll just give you sort of the short version of the argument.
	We can go to that.
	Let's just interject thematically.
	We had the Charlie Kirk shooting, which on my account was a hoax.
	And now, on David's account, most, perhaps not all, of the story about Jesus was also a hoax.
	Go right ahead, David.
	Yeah.
	So, right.
	So, in the context of Palestine in the era, right?
	So, we know that the Romans had moved in, they took over, they threw out the Jews who were in power in Palestine.
	And the Jewish elite were really incensed from everything that we can tell.
	They hated the Romans and wanted to drive them out.
	Some fought militantly against them.
	There was a zealot movement that sort of fought to, you know, assassinate individual Romans to try to drive them out.
	And that clearly wasn't working, right?
	The Romans were too powerful, the Jews were too weak, so that wasn't going to work.
	So, in that context, you know, there were various agitations against Rome.
	And on my thesis, there was a historical Jesus.
	So, there was a rabbi, Jesus of Nazareth, who was agitating against the Roman powers on behalf of the Jews, wanted to throw the evil Romans out, really, you know, agitated for social change, insurrection.
	So, he was a political revolutionary in that sense.
	And the Romans did what they did to most insurrectionists of the time.
	They captured him and they executed him by crucifixion.
	So, and then he's dead and he's gone.
	I think that's probably what actually happened.
	Jesus was an actual mortal person who was agitating against Rome, got himself crucified, and then he's gone.
	Three years later, Paul comes along and he's trying to come up with some strategy to undermine Rome.
	He knows that the militant approach is not working.
	This is about the year 33 AD.
	Militant approach is not working.
	Random executions are not working.
	He knows that the masses are sort of buying into the Roman power system and they're benefiting from it in some ways, and that they probably support Roman rule because it had a lot of personal benefits, social benefits to them.
	So, we can imagine that Paul invents a method, an ideology that's going to oppose Rome.
	It's going to appeal to the masses and it's going to draw them more to the Jewish side and away from the Roman side.
	So, that was the basic, that's my basic contention, right?
	That Paul was the original constructor of his story.
	He took the actual story of a crucified rabbi after the fact, turns him into the son of God, you know, claims that he's here to save all of humanity as long as you believe him, as long as you worship this Jewish rabbi, as long as you worship the Jewish God, Jehovah.
	And as long as we recognize that the Romans are the hated evil powers of the world, and we fight against them.
	And that was kind of, I think, that's the basic story that gets constructed by Paul.
	Paul dies.
	The New Testament writers pick up his story.
	Again, this is some decades after the crucifixion.
	They elaborate the story.
	They introduce miracles.
	And yeah, they continue the process of trying to pull the creating a new ideology.
	It's a new religion, a new religious ideology.
	It's pro-Jewish.
	It's anti-Roman.
	And it works to undermine at an ideological level the masses and gets them away from Rome.
	So I think that's really the purpose that was part of that hoax.
	Yeah.
	Let me just say, I've always, you know, from a philosophical point of view as a philosopher of science, thought the miracles were a real source of vulnerability because we're talking about laws of nature that cannot be violated and cannot be changed.
	That's why they're miraculous because they're violations of law.
	I've often thought it made more sense to envision God as the lawmaker, the maker of the laws of nature.
	See, and then if God is a creator, makes the laws of nature, then the world operates in accordance with God's laws.
	But we're not talking about moral laws.
	We're talking about physical laws, you know, chemistry, biology, and so on.
	And that turning water into wine surely ought to be a litmus test for believing in Christianity because it can't happen walking on water unless the lake is frozen.
	Can't Hammond.
	So, you know, I worry about loaves and fishes.
	You know, some of our callers can recite all these purported miracles in detail, every single one.
	So I myself have always felt that was a vulnerability.
	The one period of my life when I was in organized religion, junior, high, and high school, where I was an acolyte, sang in the choir, was a president of Young People's Fellowship, gave a sermon on Youth Funday, was the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost.
	I always wondered, what are we talking about?
	One God or three?
	I mean, this has always been perplexing to me.
	And I've honestly never had a satisfactory solution.
	Now, you're suggesting it was a real historical figure, Jesus of Nazareth.
	And I take it you suggest he was actually a rabbi, himself, a rabbi.
	He was a moral teacher, but you're attributing most of his stature and accomplishment to Paul, the apostle.
	Exactly right.
	I mean, yeah, for a couple of reasons.
	And I think you're exactly right on the miracles.
	The miracles really are sort of an Achilles heel of the whole story, right?
	And we know this because of the, well, we have two basic problems.
	The first basic problem is what I call the problem of the evidence.
	So we have really zero, literally zero evidence of Jesus's existence, of the miracles, anything during his entire lifetime.
	So if we say he was born around the year zero and he was crucified around the year 30.
	So there's three decades, right, of miracles starting with the miracle birth and the star of Bethlehem.
	And, you know, God knows what happened in between because we don't really know.
	And then he's got his three-year ministry when he's performing these.
	There's 36 miracles, by the way.
	I've got them all documented in my book.
	But the problem is nobody, we have absolutely zero record of this, right?
	There's no contemporary evidence by friends, by foes, by the Romans, by Jews, by Greeks, nothing.
	Nothing's written.
	There's no evidence remains.
	There's nothing that indicates that those things actually happened.
	Nor is there any evidence of Jesus at all.
	There's no mention of him by any writers, by any contemporaries, by any friends, foes, nothing, literally nothing during that entire time.
	And that's like, yeah, functionally impossible, right?
	That the Son of God comes to earth, works these miracles, teaches for three years, and literally there's zero evidence, nothing remaining at all, right?
	And even in Paul, when Paul starts writing, we don't even know, we have about 10 years of Paul, where there's nothing that we have any evidence of from about the years, from the year 33 or so, when he had his vision on the road to Damascus, when he gets the idea in his head that he's going to use this Jesus character, till the first letter of Paul that exists, which is Galatians, which is typically dated about the year 50.
	So we have almost 20 years in Paul's life when there's nothing, literally nothing, no evidence, no documentation, no surviving letters, nothing at all.
	So that's like, that's also suspicious.
	Then we have the handful of letters that come from Paul.
	Supposedly there were 13 of them, but we know that at least half of those, six of those are bogus because they're fraudulently attributed to Paul.
	So we think maybe there's seven or maybe six that are authentic, that are authentic Paul.
	But even those are very strange because it's a very stripped down theology.
	It's very bare facts.
	There's no quotations from Jesus.
	There's no facts from his life.
	There's zero miracles in these letters from Paul.
	It's like none of that stuff has existed yet.
	The story didn't exist yet of Jesus's life or his miracles.
	And in 20 years of letters, we don't have one mention of any of these things in the letters of Paul.
	It's really another very strange and telling fact that we don't have any evidence of this, which tells us that something, something is up because it's really not feasible that that would have happened with no mention by either by Paul or by any friend or foe or any Roman of Jesus or his followers.
	Fascinating.
	Something I always thought was wonderful about Islam is that it counts these great figures of mass like Jesus and Abraham and Moses as great moral leaders.
	Whereas Judaism wants to eliminate all the Christians off of earth.
	We got this, you know, this rabbi, widely regarded as a messiac.
	They say, are you, you know, our Jewish God returned to earth?
	He says, no, he can't be because there are still Christians alive on earth.
	How can a religion that wants to kill all the Christians, you know, stand tall?
	This is where I find Christian Zionism an incoherent position, David.
	It just shocks me.
	We got an ambassador to Israel.
	Why Kagabi?
	He believes all this nonsense.
	He doesn't seem to realize that his support for the Jews is a support for a religion that wants to kill him and all the followers of Jesus.
	It dumbfounds me.
	Your thoughts.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	There's a very long history, and I devoted a full chapter in my book to sort of even going back to 300 BC that's documented by this is, you know, obviously well before the Christian era, that the independent observers from Greece and from Rome are commenting on how malicious these Jewish tribes tribes are.
	I mean, they, you know, they hate other people.
	They don't want to interact with them.
	They're detested.
	They think they're better than everyone else.
	I mean, there's this long multi-century history of the Greeks and the Romans being astonished at how misanthropic the Jews are.
	And these guys, they would stoop to nothing.
	They treat us like animals.
	They treat people like dirt.
	And yeah, that's been going for a very long time.
	So, it's entirely unsurprising that Paul, as an elite Jew and the New Testament writers, who are also elite Jews, they had total contempt for their audience, who was a Gentile audience.
	It was a non-Jewish audience, and they got complete contempt for these guys.
	They're going to lie to them and construct any story or any ideology that they think they need to, if it's going to serve their purpose.
	And that's consistent with the three or 400-year history prior to that time.
	And it's been consistent for the last 2,000 years.
	It hasn't changed even to this very day.
	This total contempt that we see for non-Jews.
	And yes, I mean, it's shocking to some people, but when you look at the history and you understand this long, almost 2,500-year context, it's not surprising at all.
	It's completely expected.
	You know, it's kind of interesting to have you on today because I do think this Charlie Kirk thing is going to shatter allusions about Zionism, about Israel.
	You know, I mean, of course, my own investigations have demonstrated the Holocaust was a hoax about World War II, that six million Jews were put to death.
	No one who investigates supports that as a serious claim.
	There are 236 references to 6 million Jews in Tire Streets in the international press prior to the Nuremberg Tribunal beginning in 1890.
	And it's based in theology in Deuteronomy, a disputed passage that says the chosen people cannot return to the promised land until their minus six million who are consumed in the flames, except there's not even a word in the original Hebrew for six million.
	So that's an interpolation.
	But we know from the International Committee of the Red Cross, which was keeping copious, detailed records about all the inmates in all the camps, their age or sex, or at this either religion or cause of death, recalibrated 1993.
	The total 296,081 from all death causes combined, none of whom were put to death in gas chambers because there weren't any gas chambers.
	And what there was in Oshawa, for example, a symphony hall, a woodworking hall, hospital with OBGYN, even a brothel, David, because Hitler was convinced by one of his generals of men to work harder, they'd be knew they'd be rewarded with sex, which was very astute.
	I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But it's just new, you know.
	These were labor camps.
	These were labor.
	So the Jews benefit from one hoax after another.
	I'm just embarrassing.
	Now, what you're saying is Christianity has also perpetrated its series of exaggerations, to put it mildly.
	And I'm going to have a hard time disputing this, but then again, you know, as an agnostic and as a philosopher in science, I know miracles are impossible.
	So it's not going to be persuasive intellectually.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right.
	You know, and I think that's why there was no documentation of the miracles during the time they supposedly happened.
	So, David, I'm real pleased to have you here.
	We'll be right back.
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	Well, David, I'm really pleased to have you here.
	I think Doug had a great idea.
	I also think there are going to be so many with so many questions that it's better for us to have the second hour as usual devoted to callers.
	So anyone who's eager to get in on this, you can go ahead.
	You can start calling in now.
	And of course, you can ask anything you want about the Charlie Kirk, my new take.
	And I just know some of you are going to be in shock that this new evidence I uncovered has made such a dramatic alteration in my interpretation of what's happened.
	But that's the nature of rationality.
	You get new evidence, you change your mind.
	It's those who continue on the same path, independent of the evidence, who are showing themselves to be propagandists, ideologists, non-rational.
	It's like with the 9-11 movement.
	See, you can tell who's really sincere and who's not.
	If you look at Shanksville and you see this little tiny hole and no evidence of any plane having crashed there, which is readily explainable by no plane having crashed there.
	Then when we get evidence from pilots that that flight was actually over Champagne, Urbana, and you get evidence from the FAA, which I obtained, that it wasn't even taken out of service until 28th September 2005.
	If you don't take that evidence into account, recognize no plane crash in Shanksville, what good is there for you?
	And it's similarly with Flight 77 wasn't even in the air that day.
	Go on.
	I'm just telling you, everyone, I want you to develop your critical thinking skills so you can look at the charlatans in 9-11.
	Charlatans in JFK.
	You have no idea how many phonies in JFK I've exposed.
	Dozens, dozens.
	And it's similar with 9-11.
	Now, David, I want you to add whatever you want before we hit the break, and then we take the callers a second hour.
	Anything you feel you need to add, add now.
	Go right ahead.
	Yeah, I just want to kind of complete the point that I was making before the break there, if I could.
	Yeah, I mean, you know, the two basic problems with the whole Jesus story, right?
	It's kind of the idea that the evidence that we don't have and the chronology that we do have doesn't jive with the story that we've been given.
	So kind of it's kind of a two ends that we have a problem here.
	We were talking about the miracles, right?
	And we said that when the miracles happen, we have no contemporaneous evidence for the next 20 years.
	There's zero contemporaneous evidence by anybody in Paul's letters for the next 20 years from the year 50 to 70.
	No miracles at all, not a single mention in Paul of any miracles.
	And then Paul dies.
	There's the revolt in Jerusalem where the Romans go in and crush the Jewish revolt and they destroy the temple.
	And then the followers of Paul, they want to finish, they want to pick up the story because they still hate the Romans.
	They still want to drive them out.
	So they need to pick up the game.
	This is the thesis.
	And this is where the gospels come in because the gospels didn't even exist until then, until Paul is gone, until the temple is destroyed.
	The very first gospel is the Gospel of Mark.
	Dave, I'm glad to have you here.
	We'll continue right after the break.
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	We're David Scurbina here with me.
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	Chance in West Virginia.
	Join the conversation.
	Chance.
	Yeah.
	Hello, Jimbo.
	Hello, guests.
	You know, I got to say something, guys.
	I got to say that I'm very suspicious of the timing of this subject right now, and I'll tell you why.
	Yeah.
	At this time, when we're all obviously being in the process of being exterminated and genocided by all means possible, food, air, water, vaccines, wars.
	Yeah.
	This would be the perfect time to dissuade people from their Lord and Jesus Christ, to get them to put their guard down to say, hey, look, there is no hope.
	You know, as far as I'm concerned, it makes no difference to me if somebody's an agnostic or a Christian.
	I happen to be a Christian, okay?
	But to dissuade people from the only hope they have that will give them the courage to fight the evil demons.
	I mean, after all, how does one explain the hatred of Jesus Christ and the Christians by the Jews?
	Think about it.
	I mean, I'm very suspicious of the timing of this, and I respect people's religious opinions, you know, but this something is just not right with the timing of this, guys.
	As you say, can I have a response?
	Sure, of course, chance.
	You're going to get a response.
	I mean, why would you think not?
	I mean, it's purely circumstantial.
	Doug brought up the idea a couple months ago.
	Mike and I kicked it around.
	It just happened to be today.
	What was circumstantial is all the business with Charlie Kirk and all that.
	I mean, I can schedule guests, but I can't control events.
	So I think you've got it backwards, if I may say.
	David, would you like to respond?
	Can you tell me why, Jim?
	Why do I have it backwards?
	Because I scheduled David independent of all the other circumstances.
	I mean, you know.
	I didn't know Charlie Kirk was going to be whacked and all that.
	I mean, you know.
	We had been talking about this for a while, even before, before there was anything about Charlie Kirk.
	So, yeah, this is purely coincidental.
	It's been in the works for a while.
	We even moved it.
	We rescheduled from last week to this week.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	We were going to do it last week, and I thought there was too much going on politically.
	So I deferred it to this, but it's purely circumstantial.
	Not having David on today, that I can control chance, but events in the world over which I have no control.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Well, I can understand that, Jim, but nevertheless, I think the timing is very poor.
	I really do, because when I look around and I watch the world as it is, and you know, and I respect everybody's, I respect the fact that you're agnostic, believe me, okay?
	And I respect that.
	I don't judge people.
	But what I find very suspicious right now is without the spirit, as far as I could see, and I'm not a scholar, I'm not a religious scholar, but without that faith, people are not going to fight.
	People are not going to fight.
	And we're watching genocide right before our eyes.
	We're watching women and children being slaughtered.
	Yep.
	Without faith, it seems to me that there's an awful dissuasion of people to fight in some way.
	Now, I could be wrong, and it bothers me because right now people are so confused.
	You know, I'm even confused now that you brought up that this is a this Charlie Kirk thing could be fake.
	And I keep an open mind and I say to myself, you know what?
	It doesn't make a hill's beans worth of difference whether he was shot or whether it's fake.
	The point is how they're going to proceed now.
	They have a plan and it's wicked.
	Let's face it.
	What I see makes no difference to me.
	I didn't know this guy.
	Would I want him shot?
	Of course not.
	But it makes no difference to me if they shot him or if this is fake.
	I'm looking at how they're going to use chance.
	And what I see coming down is wicked.
	Chance, chance, chance.
	Let me say, let me say, I'm ecstatic about this Charlie Kirk thing because the whole world believes that's what Israel would have done.
	I mean, they believe Israel did it.
	Israel would have done it.
	It all fits.
	I gave you a perfect explanation Friday of how I thought that it happened.
	That impression has gone worldwide.
	The whole world believes Israel took him out.
	And the fact that I'm explaining it didn't happen that way isn't going to change the fact that it's shattered illusions about Israel.
	It's already had that effect, chance.
	And I, therefore, am overjoyed.
	It was, hang on a second.
	It was Henry Kissinger said.
	I keep an open mind.
	I keep an open mind, Jim, okay, about what you just said.
	But the fact remains that I'm very suspicious of the timing of the right at this point.
	Be suspicious all you want, chance.
	I bring you in to give you your opinion, give your opinion.
	You gave your opinion.
	You're wrong about it, but you know, that's your opinion.
	You're entitled to it.
	We won't see if I'm wrong in the future, won't we?
	Well, I don't know what you think is ominous about this, but I guess you've already said, Yeah, Chance, look, Henry, Henry.
	I didn't say ominous.
	I'm not putting the guy down.
	I'm not, I'm just saying I find it suspicious, and I guess we won't see in the future.
	That's all.
	And I told you it was the yeah, thanks, Chance.
	I told you it was the other way around.
	I scheduled David.
	I don't schedule the events in the world.
	David, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	You're the.
	Yeah, just a couple, just a couple of points.
	You know, I mean, the caller's worried that we won't be fighters if we don't have faith.
	I think he's making this comment, right?
	And I mean, obviously, people were fighters for their cause for the millennia and before there was ever a Christian faith, right?
	And the whole point is that the faith is misguided because it's a faith in a Jewish rabbi and a faith in a Jewish God, you know, both of which are not working in your favor.
	So that's why it's so important that you understand the bogus nature of the theology so that you don't misplace your faith and then you're misguided and you're making mistakes.
	Yeah, I agree, David.
	I agree.
	I'm delighted to have you here.
	It goes back to the Henry Kiss and your observation: the facts don't matter.
	What matters is perceptions.
	The world perceives Israel as having done this.
	It has caused the world to rethink Israel, to rethink Zionism, to rethink genocide.
	And that's good.
	And believe me, it's irreversible.
	Discovering that it was actually staged, that's not going to matter.
	But it has reached a turning point.
	And I say that's all.
	But, Jim, who staged it?
	If it's anti-Israel, it wasn't Israel who staged it.
	It was some enemies of Israel who staged it, right?
	I think personally, Trump having flipped the script in Butler, you got the same Trump guy who ran it in Butler for Trump and running it in Utah for Charlie Kirk.
	I think Trump liked Charlie Kirk.
	What I've seen is Charlie Kirk, I like Charlie Kirk.
	He's seemed to me strong, intelligent, articulate, and he was turning to a realization that maybe genocide, the morning genocide, isn't such a great idea.
	Maybe bombing Iran isn't such a great idea.
	Maybe the United States ought to be taking a different stance.
	All to the good, he was 100% right.
	I think this is going to accelerate the process of getting the Zionists out of our government.
	That's the number one problem we confront today.
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	Join us.
	Your thoughts.
	Renee.
	Just when I want to hear her, she ain't there.
	Dan, he didn't punch the button.
	Okay, go ahead, Renee.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, well, I really welcome the discussion today because there are some people in here that feel entitled that this be an echo chamber if only for their particular beliefs.
	And I'm much more open-minded.
	And the thing is, because you know, the word history is his story.
	Now we know that how much we're being lied to today and how much trouble we have trying to figure out the truth.
	Now, history is the easiest thing to lie about because we don't have a time machine to go check.
	And so I question practically everything in his story.
	So the thing is, I have some issues with people's bias.
	Like, you know, we are always taught that, oh, we as Christians are the more moral, but I know I have witnessed a lot and been the victim of a lot of evil by Christians.
	And so the thing is, yes, the Jews have done terrible things, but if you look at the last 2,000 years, it is so-called Christians that have probably murdered more people than anybody else.
	So the thing is, you know, we have to realize we have bias and selective memory and double standards.
	And we use the kinder judgment side for our side, the more harsh against those that are different from us.
	And see, my problems with Christianity, I love the moral and ethical teachings of Jesus.
	Unfortunately, most people I see do not actually follow that.
	And they go to the Old Testament and they use often, you know, God can be used.
	What's their saying, none will so jealously like commit evil or kill than in the name of their God?
	The thing is, God can be used for good or evil.
	And I have some issues with certain things, like this whole thing of if you want to start a cult like, okay, I've got this deal for you fellas.
	It's like, all you have to do is believe these things that I'm telling you.
	And if you say you believe them, I can forgive all the wickedness you have done in your life.
	Now, real think about that.
	That encourages sinfulness instead of being moral.
	If you think you can go keep doing wicked things, and as long as you believe in Jesus and ask for his forgiveness, your plate is wiped clean.
	Well, our system of laws just certainly does not operate like that.
	And we're supposedly the Christian nation.
	So I would like his opinions on my thoughts.
	Good, good, Ray.
	Good, good stuff.
	Good stuff.
	I'm glad you called.
	Tom, go ahead, Tom and Florida.
	Go for it.
	Yeah, can you hear me, Jim?
	Yes, yes, Tom.
	Okay, well, I just got to say this.
	I want to say this, Jim.
	I don't know if you paid attention.
	What happened in England three days ago with almost 750,000 people on the street for Charlie Kirk?
	Yeah.
	It's wonderful.
	There are these kinds of awakenings all over the world, Tom.
	You're absolutely right.
	Yes, I'm ecstatic about it.
	Well, yes, thank you.
	And I had a friend who's called me from London yesterday, and he told me it was crazy.
	And the people were very, you know, they were very polite.
	They weren't being violent.
	They were, you know, they were flagging English old flag.
	And now you've got this liberal media called the English Red Bar flag or Red Cross flag racist.
	And all these white people are fed up what happened going on in England, Jim.
	England is on is on a short fuse.
	I'm going to put it that way, Jim.
	It is.
	You're absolutely.
	You're 100% right.
	And I have friends over there.
	Yep.
	I agree.
	Tom, good, good, good.
	You got more you want to add?
	Go ahead.
	Yes, I got a bunch of stuff like that, Jim.
	First off, Charlie Kirk has just changed the narrative.
	The sleeping giant has finally awoke.
	The giant has finally awoke all off the United States and the rest of the world.
	Nobody being pushed around.
	Christianity is not going to be pushed around by youth, by atheists, or anybody.
	The Christians are going to take the power.
	They were given that power.
	And I'm not even going to bring in Rome.
	Forget Rome.
	Let's leave Rome out of it in the Popa, the Papa, whatever you want to call it.
	Okay, people have had enough of this nonsense.
	Jim, I want John to call in from Colorado.
	Please call in from Colorado, John, because you were right, and I was right, Jim.
	I mean, John, we are both right.
	Me and John both said last week this had to do with trans homosexuality.
	Tommy's done.
	He's already here.
	He's on the call list, Tom.
	He'll be speaking later.
	Okay, well, John was right, and I was right.
	We both called out.
	I knew there was a homosexuality behind this shooting of Charlie Kirk.
	What else could it have been?
	And I knew this.
	I actually knew this two weeks ago when I saw him do a speech.
	There's something going to go down.
	I couldn't put together that he's going to get murdered.
	I knew there was a lot of protest by these transsexuals, and that's who got it, Jim.
	Tamp, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom.
	Tom, I get the impression very often you call in the second hour and you don't listen to the first.
	Am I right?
	Well, no, Jim, you've got to remember.
	I'm taking care of a sick woman.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But I'm just saying, did you, did you hear the, did you hear the first hour today?
	No, sir, I did not.
	I didn't have time to listen to this first hour today.
	I thought you'd have some different.
	I'm just saying, Jim.
	Different targets, Tom.
	Go ahead.
	Well, Jim, I still say that Charlie Kirk was outspoken against the trans community, whatever you want to call them.
	I call it decadence and decay.
	And I think that's why he was targeted.
	I really do believe that.
	And if there was a Jewish narrative, that's how they use it, Jim.
	You know, you got to remember, back in Berlin in 1937, who was swinging from the chandeliers?
	Yeah.
	Who was swinging from the chandelier?
	What population was swinging from the chandeliers and 37 in Berlin?
	Can you tell me, Jim?
	Oh, Tom, I wouldn't steal.
	I wouldn't steal.
	I wouldn't steal your punchline.
	You know, it was a Jewish, it was the Zionist queers.
	They were running down.
	Berlin was the homosexual community of Europe in 1937.
	Yep.
	Jim, also, I want you to do me a favor, please, sir.
	Can you one day this week spend 15 minutes of your time to talk about George Lincoln Rockwell?
	Please, can you talk about him for 15 minutes and do a little research on him and explain why you think he was murdered and your opinion, why Rockwell was murdered?
	George Lincoln Rockwell.
	It was a decorated, he was a decorated ape.
	I record your suggestion, Tom.
	We'll see.
	We'll see.
	I think there were other issues in the first hour that I expected you to address, but because you missed the first hour, you aren't.
	I grabbed a lot of stuff, Jim.
	Just throw something at me and I'll address it when I think.
	Well, what do you got to say?
	I mean, I think our time.
	Oh, Tom.
	All I can say is, look, I think this really woke up that.
	I think the Democrats are not going to get to power for the next 50 years.
	I guarantee it.
	Well, I think this event, real or fake, is going to have profound consequences, and they're already taking place, Tom.
	Listen, I got it.
	Absolutely.
	But I'm glad you called, Tom.
	I'm glad you called.
	Always glad to hear from you.
	Jim, it's so powerful.
	Thank you, Tom.
	Thank you, Tom.
	Dave in Texas.
	Dave, join the conversation.
	Hey, Jim, can you hear me?
	Yes, very clearly.
	Wonderful.
	I want to give you credit.
	This is one of the best shows you've had in a long time.
	You're bringing so many things that are logical to the table.
	You know, I've watched people all throughout my life, and I'm not quite as old as you, but I don't, I'm not that far behind you.
	And I always hear people that want to tell you how to correctly interpret and read the Bible, but I never hear anybody talk about where it came from, who put it together.
	And I think this has to be addressed historically with evidence.
	Yeah.
	If not, it's just more stories.
	Yeah, I think Doug had a great idea in bringing David in here today.
	I'm real tickled about the whole thing.
	Go right ahead.
	Continue, Dave.
	I agree.
	I think that one of the main.
	I'm going to carry over.
	We got a break, but I'm going to carry over.
	Stand by.
	Just stand by.
	We'll be right back.
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	Okay, Jim.
	I just take the Bible and I take the control of the Jews and media and publishing houses throughout the world.
	And it's my gut feeling that if the Bible was actually threat to the Jews, it wouldn't be published.
	Pure and simple.
	I didn't quite catch that, Dave.
	I didn't quite catch that.
	I think, though, it's a colossal blunder to combine the Old Testament with the new.
	I think the new should have stood on its own.
	I want to get Dave's opinion on that.
	But go ahead, Dave, if you want to ask Sams or something before I ask David.
	Go right ahead.
	Well, can you hear me?
	Yes, we can hear you.
	I just think that if the Bible was actually any threat to the Jews, it would be attacked and it wouldn't be published and distributed like it is.
	Well, take a look at how the ADL and SPLC address everything.
	If anybody says anything anywhere, they attack.
	But, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, there was a development historically, the so-called Schofield Bible, where it has these annotations that spin everything in favor of Israel.
	It's really like a recipe why Christians should be adoring of Israel and give them all their worldly goods.
	David, would you agree?
	Dave, I'm asking David here.
	We got two Davids.
	David, you are Dave.
	He is David, my guest, David.
	Would you think?
	I'm sorry, Jim.
	That's not a problem.
	David, come.
	Yeah, so right.
	I mean, right, the basic situation is we're dealing with Jewish documents from front to back, right?
	So the Old Testament was the Jewish Bible.
	It was written by Jews, for Jews, about Jews.
	It was never intended for anybody else to read or to use.
	So that's one document.
	And then the New Testament, which doesn't even date until you got the handful of letters from Paul.
	You got the four gospels, which date from the years 70 to 90, roughly AD, decades after Jesus's life, which is supposedly recording what he said and did, even though nobody remembers, you know, 40, 50, 60 years after he died, what he actually did or said.
	And that's also constructed by Jewish writers.
	That's who those guys were who wrote the gospels, and they wrote it for Jewish purposes, right?
	So it's a similar situation, but it's a completely different document for a different audience, right?
	So you got to keep a lot of this stuff was written by a genocide lunatic named Jeremiah, who is apparently absolutely lost in space, and his words being taken to be divinely inspired is just a colossal intellectual blunder.
	Dave, you go right ahead.
	Now, Dave, the caller, I agree wholeheartedly.
	I think that, you know, in the research that I've done, if you take a look into Marcion and his resurrection of the supposed writings of Paul and their adoption in the third and fourth century by Eusebius, and I think it's all historically bugged.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's the bottom line.
	That's good.
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	I'm glad you're called.
	Alexander in Canada, join Alexander.
	We're going to hit a break and I'll carry you over.
	Alexander.
	Yes.
	So let's make a couple of couple of points.
	Sure.
	You see, and see, my opinion, you're giving Charlie Kirk too much credit here.
	See, let me just give you a couple of examples.
	Charlie Kirk was supported the LGBTQ.
	You know what he said in an interview?
	I have no problem with a child having two gay fathers.
	That's how disgusting he was.
	And how he wrote a book called.
	Yeah.
	How long ago?
	How long ago?
	Alexander, I think there was, you know, I think more recently he really been changing his views, but go ahead, go ahead, lay it out.
	See, look, he didn't change his view on having the child having two gay fathers.
	And see, and also he wrote a book called a book called College is a Scam, which was obviously all propaganda.
	I don't believe that college is a scam.
	Right.
	Anybody should go to college.
	And also, he was staunchly anti-Islamic.
	He said Prophet Muhammad was a terrorist.
	Islam is violent.
	Yeah.
	The same garbage he kept on learning from his Jewish buddies.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And also, sir, I saw a video that was done.
	This was done like a month ago.
	And this was done, a video by a Gen Z person.
	I forget his name.
	There wasn't anybody important.
	Okay, hold your thought, Alexander.
	We'll be right back with you.
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	Alexander, before you continue, I just got an email from JS.
	Very interesting.
	A more believable explanation, he writes, is the Israelis arranged the fake shooting to intimidate their critics with Kurt's family being threatened.
	So Charlie complied with their psychopath.
	That's very interesting.
	Very interesting indeed.
	JS, thank you for sending that.
	Alexander, go right ahead.
	Look, sir, I am not familiar with this whole PSYOP and what you just said.
	So, but yeah, like if there was a psychopath, I won't be always surprised.
	But see, my problem is that people are giving Charlie Kirk way too much credit for helping the movement.
	He actually damaged the movement for being controlled to opposition and so on.
	And also, sir, I want to tell you something.
	You said last week, Charlie Kirk made a statement saying that it's not anti-Semitic to question Israel October 7th.
	You're absolutely correct.
	I've seen the video during the weekend.
	And see, so I never argue.
	I never disputed that with you last week.
	But see, sir, here's my point.
	Charlie Kirk said it's not anti-Semitic to question October 7th or whatever.
	But see, Charlie Kirk never ever said October 7th was an inside job.
	He never said that Jews were killing, killed 500 Jews on October 7th.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He said he never went that far.
	Yeah.
	He said he never went that far.
	You're correct, Alexander, but he did say it was not anti-Semitic.
	It was not un-American to have questions about October 7th.
	Well, that's a giant leap forward.
	So, you know, I give him a gold star for that.
	Yes.
	And also, sorry, another thing about the Ben Shapiro issue.
	See, Ben Shapiro was always there.
	Turning point was a Jewish organization.
	See, the reason they bought Charlie Kirk, because he was pretending to be a Christian man with Christian values, and he never had any values.
	The Jews brought him up and pumped him up and so on.
	So you would divide the Christian community.
	And see, his church had an Israeli flag where he, the Christian church that he attended.
	Let me say, yeah, let me just add.
	If JS is right, if they stage a shooting, you know, people believing it to be real to intimidate their critics, it has backfired massively.
	The whole world has reacted to this with horror.
	So they haven't accomplished their goal.
	David, would you agree?
	I think this thing has backfired unbelievably.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, it certainly seems that way, which, you know, it really makes it to me a little bit implausible that they were really behind it because it would seem like they knew they had so much to lose, right?
	So, you know, not to mention, you got to figure out what you're going to do with a surviving Charlie Kirk.
	What happens to him now?
	Yeah, I agree.
	That's all good.
	Go ahead, Alexander.
	Go ahead.
	That was an aside.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, yes, thank you.
	See, see, look, my assessment is this.
	I agree with Mr. Tom from Florida.
	In my opinion, this attack was done by the people on the left.
	And see, if you look at the left, the gay people, the transgender people, the abortion people, the anti-gun people, the people who support the illegal immigration.
	Alexander.
	Alexander.
	Hang on.
	I guarantee you 100% it was fake.
	I guarantee.
	You're not going to be able to watch a show I did this morning and not realize it was fake.
	So why would leftists fake it?
	Leftists would want to kill him.
	It wouldn't fake it.
	Alexander, look.
	Quick, quick.
	Give me a final thought.
	I got several others.
	This is a hot day.
	Go right here.
	I'll be very quick.
	So look, I'm going by the thinking that it wasn't fake.
	But see, my point is this.
	The leftist groups that did this Black Lives Matter, the pro-abortion people, the anti-gun people.
	And see, sir, all of these groups are funded by Jews.
	Yeah.
	Especially by Chabad Lubavitch.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So see, so same idea.
	Jews were involved in killing him.
	And see, the reason they killed him so they can have this violence all over the place happening.
	Thank you.
	I guarantee you 100% it was fake.
	Watch the show from this morning.
	You'll understand.
	It was 100% fake.
	But I always appreciate your calls.
	John in Colorado.
	John, join the conversation.
	Yeah, good afternoon, Jim.
	First thing I'd like to bring up is this thing about I see over the weekend, I've been getting these texts from Turning Point USA about Erica Kirk, his wife, and what's going on.
	The thing is, I didn't get a chance.
	I guess there's a video.
	I didn't get a chance to see it.
	But after that, everything you're looking for money for whatever.
	Do you have anything what's going on with her and what this turning point is?
	Well, she's being described as the worst crisis actress ever.
	Her memorial statement was pathetic.
	And then you got her at the casket and they got a mannequin in there with rubber hands and she's rubbing the hands.
	I mean, it's pathetic, actually.
	She's pathetic.
	She's not cut out for this and she was a flop.
	She made a very bad impression.
	Go ahead.
	So you're saying that the Israelis are using that as propaganda to say that.
	Well, that was JS.
	That was JS.
	JS saying that, you know, propaganda to intimidate, but it's backfired massively.
	I mean, this is the biggest mistake they've ever made in terms of Zionist propaganda.
	This is a fiasco.
	Fiasco.
	Mark my words.
	Fiasco.
	Yeah.
	John, go ahead.
	Anyway, because I got a yeah.
	I got a friend.
	I got a friend who backs that.
	He heard all this, was a more ended up a tribute.
	And he's the kind that's a pro-Israel in the attack on Iran was a thing.
	He's a retired Air Force officer.
	So other than arguing about, you know, being a warmonger.
	Anyway, the other thing I was going to bring up, like, I got a little bit of Tom's comment.
	I think thank you very much.
	When I said that last week about, I mentioned transgender and I heard this from Revolutionary Radio and you know that kind of yeah and transgender homosexual, if that's a possible that's not surprising at all.
	So that is one of those things.
	If it's, you know, the Mossad took them out, whether whether they're IDF transgender, just IDF yeah, they could do it parchment, it would have been a piece of cake.
	I mean, there would have been nothing to it.
	I mean that was my conclusion Friday.
	It's just astonishing.
	I was all over this over the weekend and put all these pieces together and brought in, you know, a member of the Screen Actors Guild, a law enforcement expert who's cracked many false flags, and and Joe Olson, I mean I'm telling you, wait till you watch what we, how we dissected the whole bloody thing this morning.
	If that doesn't convince you, I can't imagine what would.
	It was 100% fake.
	But now JS brings up the idea that the Israelis wanted to fake it because they wanted to intimidate, you know, all their enemies, all their critics, and uh, I'm just saying, if that was the idea, it blew up in their face.
	Blew up in their face.
	Give me a final, give me a final thought, go ahead, thank you.
	Your uh hope or your gesture yeah, I mean David, Dan.
	Yeah, I'm real pleased they have a Bible.
	Thanks John, I'm not.
	I'm not an expert.
	Talk to him about what they did when they converted to the King James Bible and there was questions about who did it.
	Were the Jews rewriting it without knowing that it's not the King James, it's a Schofield Bible?
	That's when they made all these annotations.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah, that's completely.
	I feel both.
	But yeah, I say the Old Testament should never have been combined with the new.
	That was a colossal historic blunder with vast consequences.
	I don't think so.
	I think this thing the Jews believe they're not following the first New Testament.
	The last thing is somebody, I read this, the possibility that Islam and Muhammad was invented by the Jews.
	Nah.
	I know he was a real guy.
	He was a real guy.
	Thanks, John.
	Thank you, John.
	Thank you, John.
	JP, Chicago, go ahead, JP.
	Join the conversation.
	JP.
	Hey, Jim, I'm on my final edit on chapter 15.
	Got it done.
	So I missed part of the beginning.
	Excuse me, Jay, but I want to start politics and religion.
	You know, it's going to be my last call for a while because I'm going to get this book published and I want to standing with you, Jim.
	But I really got to combat this belief that Islam is a good religion.
	It's not.
	You look at its history.
	Muhammad was a bastard that grew up in a cave.
	Now, I'm an American.
	I got my first men right.
	Unlike Mr. Alex from Canada.
	He's not American.
	My First Men right says I have freedom of speech.
	And I believe that religion is Antichrist.
	This is why.
	He spread his religion through the sword.
	If you didn't join him, you died.
	He cut off Christians' heads.
	He cut off Muslim head.
	Muslims cut off other Muslim heads.
	And they went after Jews.
	Okay.
	And Muhammad was killed by a Jewish woman.
	So that's what stirs up all this hatred going back to Hitler, who is allied with a lot of these Islamists.
	And they all hated the Jews.
	So they have this common threat there.
	Okay.
	So I'll end that.
	You know, instead of talking about Christ, let's talk about the real Antichrist, Mohammed and Obama and these SOBs that go around chopping people's heads off, subjugating women here in Chicago.
	No, let me finish.
	The Dan Ryan, there's always in the woods young Muslim girls.
	You know why?
	Because their fathers kill them if they date before they're sold off into marriage.
	They don't wear the hijab.
	Their fathers kill them, and that's law according to Muhammad.
	Now, Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman and he died without an heir.
	And that's why Islam's weak today, because it's divided between the Shiite and the Sunnis, and they're divided because Muhammad could never get it up and never had any children.
	All right.
	So let me put my hammer down and talk about politics.
	Now, that RV I gave you, on the moment it happened, your first instincts were correct, Jim.
	Your first instincts always go with that.
	So I was trained by, you know, high-level people in remote viewing.
	Your first instinct is usually correct.
	You said he's dead.
	He's dead.
	And I didn't want to admit to it.
	And you were right.
	I was wrong.
	At that point, I did an RV.
	I did a wait.
	Let me finish.
	I did a remote viewing on it.
	I seen that his head was severed from the spine.
	So the spinal comet got attacked.
	What we didn't know till later is that he had body armor on.
	So the shot was an amateur shot.
	He didn't account for gravity or windage.
	The shot went down low, hit his chest, went up through his throat, and lodged in his spinal cavity.
	And I talked to Sam Andrews, who worked for the CIA for 20 years this morning, and he confirmed what I said to you on the day of the event.
	JP.
	So you were right back then.
	But their new theory now is this information.
	And this will be my last call because I'm sick of listening to that.
	Hey, JP, that's just fine.
	You do well.
	Good luck with your book.
	Thanks for the last call, the last call.
	Let's see, James in Vancouver.
	James, welcome.
	Join the conversation, James.
	What a mean thing to say.
	Let me just say this.
	It didn't faze me in the least, James.
	Go right ahead.
	I'm reprieving Doc Holiday of Tombstone.
	I like that.
	We just watched Tombstone the other day and he's the Bell Kilmer and so wonderful as Doc Holiday.
	I just love him in that role.
	Well, you're a daisy if you do.
	So we let me let's get this straight.
	We went to war for 911 and now we are going to war for Charlie Kirk.
	I don't know.
	What war do you think that's going to, what war is that going to inspire?
	Well, those are my friends, the Chinese and their allies that are marching to Europe as we speak because Europe is finished.
	And well, RT had an article this morning, but I don't want to divert our way.
	Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	What's RT saying?
	Well, all right.
	So look at we got people marching in the streets in uniforms with flags.
	And if any rainbow people get in the way, they're getting pushed over.
	There's this mobilization and you've got tremendous people meeting Huntington Beach, California, of all places.
	Thousands of people are out there for Charlie Kirk and even up in Edmonton at this concert.
	Yeah, for Charlie Kirk, but aren't they opposing Israel?
	I mean, they think Israel killed them.
	That could be it.
	That is it.
	That is it.
	This is shattering the glass ceiling, protecting Israel from criticism.
	It's gone.
	It is gone forever.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I'm telling you, James, it is.
	We need those people.
	We need those people to put on uniforms and fight.
	And the old white blue, you see, this was Charlie Kirk's.
	I think the whole turning point USA was a CIA off because I've never seen that many special forces guys at that Utah conference.
	They're all out there.
	These aren't bodyguards.
	This is special forces.
	Yeah, you're hearing me.
	James, James, James, who are we supposed to be fighting?
	Who are we supposed to be fighting?
	The people that are going to attack coming from the Far East.
	Sooner or later, they're coming.
	Sooner or later.
	You don't got China?
	Not going to go away.
	I don't want to take up too much of your time.
	That's what my time is here for, is to take it up.
	Okay, all right.
	So the Ukraine thing is still on the boiler.
	Yeah, but it's really boss.
	Ukraine, Russia won.
	I mean, it's just a wailing national.
	I agree, but Russia's perception is that the West is going to keep on adding the pressure.
	That being the case, Russia will still occupy what's going on.
	And I think Russian drones went into Romania today, I heard from my Chinese buddies.
	Did you hear anything about that?
	Not yet.
	Hello?
	Not yet, James.
	Russians fired drones at Romania.
	Yeah, I haven't heard about that yet.
	That probably be in my story tomorrow, Ryan.
	Well, you better check it out.
	I think the war is still hot.
	And I think the Houdis, they fired at Israel a couple of days ago for sure.
	And a whole bunch of states in Africa now are prepared to dump or are dumping Israel.
	Yeah.
	So all the United States got is Israel and a bunch of European countries that can't fight.
	Well, this Charlie thing is going to lead to a whole lot of dumping of Israel, mark my words.
	That's my belief.
	James, a final, final, final, final thought.
	The Chinese are coming.
	The Chinese are coming.
	Thanks James, let's see who we got here.
	Sean in Hawaii.
	Sean, join the conversation.
	Sean hello, can you hear me sir, very clearly?
	Oh good good yeah yeah, thank you for that awesome presentation on your other radio show.
	You really did uh, rip that psych apart.
	I'm glad you heard it and nobody else here seems to have any idea.
	You know.
	Well, i'm glad, i'm glad every one of your shows, that's wonderful yeah, but if you, if you look at what they did, this took planning and what they did is they drowned out the night.
	The 9-11 truth the people are waking up in in huge droves.
	Yeah, so he really did Israel a favor.
	He he he, he acted out this this, this fraud.
	Yeah, for Israel, yeah and uh, and I want to, I want to say one more thing, yeah this you, you may have it right that's, that's what Js is basically suggesting.
	The fraud was to indemnity critics of Israel.
	But i've been saying right along, to drown out, to smother the 9-11 conference and something.
	Also all the Epstein revelations.
	You know, it's just kind of disappeared for the time.
	I think it will be back, but anyway, go right ahead.
	I wouldn't be surprised that they have.
	I wouldn't be surprised that they have legislation for gun control called the uh, the uh the Carlik or whatever.
	Yeah sure, yeah.
	But I want to address something that Tom said in Florida.
	Yeah, Europe's not going to come back.
	He said Germany's going to come back.
	The gas and oil that was going to go go through Russia to Europe is now signed and inked with China.
	Yes, even if they had a peace deal today.
	Yes, there's no oil and gas.
	Yes, for Europe.
	Yes, and the Muslims?
	The Muslims are taking over.
	I mean, they're singing um their Muslim song five times a day and then they're going to put in Muslim positive politicians.
	They're going to rename Germany and I can almost guarantee you they're going to do it in 10 years.
	And i'm going to end this war.
	Right, Europe being lost to the Muslims, that that that may well be right.
	Sean, I like your calls.
	I'm glad they don't assimilate.
	Yep right, they don't assimilate.
	You're making good points Sean, and i'm tickled that you, i'm tickled.
	You heard the Revolution radio show.
	Yeah excellent, i'm on it.
	It's so professional, so professional.
	And one thing, uh, you can't have a religion without faith.
	Yeah, if an angel came down and talked to you, you'd be like convinced, you'd be convinced, and a whole thing about this relief is faith.
	I love, I I.
	I have a friend who's a devoted, who's a devoted Christian and says, i'm gonna have one of these experiences and then i'll believe and i'm, i'm open, i'm open, everyone would believe, i'm open Sean you're, you're great.
	That's what all the apostles were witnesses, and they even died horrible deaths if they would just deny what they were preaching.
	So I mean, i'm pretty.
	I'm gonna come back to David, David, thank you.
	Yeah, thank you, Sean.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Great show.
	Wonderful.
	Glad you called.
	Glad you called.
	David, you want to address some of that?
	Well, yeah, I think it's just important to be well grounded in the facts and the history that we know about the story.
	There's a lot that we're having to fill in the blanks, but there's a lot of stuff that we do know.
	So it's important that we understand the facts, what's plausible, what makes sense, and what doesn't make sense.
	You know, I tried to do that in my Jesus Hoax book is really lay out the actual facts that we know, what's the most likely solution conclusions that we can draw from the history and from the data that we have, and then address any criticisms.
	And so I would just encourage all your listeners to take a look at the book.
	Whether they're pro or con Christianity, they at least need to understand the history and the facts, and then they can speak more knowledgeably.
	Otherwise, they tend to look a little mistaken or foolish, right?
	So it's a very sensible guy, David, my fellow philosopher.
	I'm really, yeah, I'm sorry, a little bit too rational there, but yeah.
	We got one more caller, hijacker.
	Join a conversation, hijacker.
	Yes, Professor, always a great show.
	So I was putting together an anatomy of Charlie Kirks and the whole fascination thing for my show on Revolution Radio.
	I'm the host over there, also.
	But I didn't hear your show on Revolution Radio this morning.
	But when I heard that Jim Fetcher said it's a psyop, I did like a roadrunner stop.
	I said, what?
	Because I was thinking, where's all the footage of all the blood on the floor?
	On, you know, it's all shaky.
	It's all the same type thing.
	So I definitely got to look.
	I definitely got to look at it.
	But the reason why I did call in is that Patrick Hemmingson, I think you know him.
	He's like a peer to you.
	He's got his big presence on the internet, Patrick Hemmingson, I think.
	And he lays out that Charlie Kirks is basically a Zionist creation, that he was a young, idealistic ideologue, much like I was, and that he was bathed in Zionism.
	His flag, Dream City Church, that person I called in, they're right.
	They have the Zionist flag.
	So, and my thinking was that he was Zionist all the way up to the point and he over even overlooked what was happening in Gaza.
	But there was Epstein files.
	I finally said that was a bridge too far.
	And I think that's why they took him out.
	But now that you say that it's all one big psyop, I've got to go back.
	And so, when's your show on Revolution Radio?
	I can listen to.
	I know it's in the archives, right?
	Yeah, I mean, go to my BitChute channel, Jim Fetzer.
	Go to BitChute Channel, Jim Fetzer, and you're going to find it.
	I'm sure it's already posted.
	Hey, very good.
	Go ahead and show, Professor.
	Thank you for watching.
	Thank you.
	I'm glad you called.
	Glad you called, hijacker.
	David, I want to give you a last word here.
	I'm real pleased you were here today.
	I think Doug had a great idea.
	I'm just real happy.
	So give us some final thoughts.
	Yeah, well, right.
	Like I say, you know, this is a hugely important issue.
	I mean, the Charlie Kirk thing is, in a sense, it's tied to the story, too, because we're talking about Christianity.
	Charlie was a Christian.
	And, you know, you got the Zionist issues and you got the hoaxes that go back 2,000 years.
	I mean, it's really important for people to understand the long-term picture here, what's going on, because then things really get into perspective, right?
	So, and that's what I try to do in my books.
	And when I was teaching in the university, same thing, right?
	Give the students the long-term perspective.
	Yeah.
	So, definitely would encourage your viewers to pick up my Jesus Hoax book, you know, and just it's easy to read.
	It's a no-brainer and it gives you a lot of solid background and lets you put these things into context.
	So, it's whether whether it's a Zionist attack on Cutter or if it's a Charlie Kirk shooting or whatever it is.
	I mean, these things make a lot more sense when you have that historical context.
	So, I really want to encourage people to be well-grounded and be able to think clearly about this stuff before you, you know, don't just shoot off your mouth.
	Just know what you're talking about.
	Thank you for joining me today.
	Doug, you had a great idea.
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