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Sept. 11, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL: Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE! Septamber 10, 2025
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Well, welcome to another real deal special interviewing Bill Bidney and Catherine Horton, who are under fire.
And today is extraordinarily interesting on multiple grounds, including, of course, the reports we just had of Charlie Kirk, who is an organizer activist for the mega movement, having been shot at a college in Utah, which was the first event of the kickoff of a nationwide college tour to promote the mega movement, Trump agenda, and the like.
Now, here's a story about it.
Charlie Kirk dies after shooting.
Trump confirms the great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead.
The President Post said no one understood or had the heart of the youth in the United States of America better than Charlie.
He was loved and admired by all, especially me.
Many such reports.
Here's another shot heard around the world.
Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah then.
Suspect Melikosty Trump police's statement.
Here's Kash Patel, the subject for the horrific shooting today.
The life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody.
Thank you to the local and state authorities in Utah for your partnership.
We'll provide updates.
And we have here some footage of what happened.
Here's Alex Jones making a statement about it.
All right.
I've got some really bad news for people.
I just got a call five minutes ago from a very trusted source who's never been wrong, connected to three letter agencies who's very close to people that were on the ground there when Charlie Kirk was shot in Utah today.
And he died a long time ago.
So he's dead.
And I got a call saying, where are you getting your info?
He might be alive.
And I said, I'm getting off the news.
They said, no, he's dead.
That's directly from people on the ground.
I'll leave it at that.
Very close to Charlie.
So they killed him.
The left killed him.
And I get the family and others are probably thinking of what they're going to say or what they're going to do.
But you see that footage.
They say clearly from the report, the rifle and all the rest of it, high-powered rifle.
They said because the reason his chest lifts up is just the effect that the bullet and high speed creates, but it hit him in the neck.
And Charlie's dead.
But if the left thinks this is going to intimidate us, shut up.
They got nothing coming.
Charlie was out there at the campuses getting millions of young people to vote for Trump.
And they just, the left cannot allow this.
And John Podesta plan was if Trump got re-elected to launch a civil war.
So it's live now.
Everybody should really be watching.
Now they're going to try to kill Trump again.
Just God bless you all and God bless Charlie Kirk.
He died like a Viking king, sword in his hand, the info war.
Now, I pray my source is wrong, but this source has been the source of so much, but it's always been accurate.
He said 100%.
Talk to people directly there, directly involved.
I'm going to try to get him to come on the air.
I'm here getting my dad out of the hospital after he had his heart surgery stuff.
That went well, so I'm dealing with that right now.
I'm going to go back at the office here in about an hour.
Let's see what else we got.
Breaking.
Charlie Kirk is dead.
Polko Boy just in.
President Trump says Charlie Kirk is dead after the young man was shot at an event in Utah Valley University earlier today.
The suspect is not yet in custody.
Perhaps spokesperson from Utah Valley University, despite saying earlier that police had someone in custody.
Now, this is one of my colleagues.
I mean, I tell you, I got such extraordinarily confident colleagues.
I mean, the ink isn't even dry on the declaration.
And here's what she said already about the shooting is a close-up, okay?
Charlie Kirk shooting, hope obvious evidence of CGI.
what you think not counting gang violence That's new.
And that's a professional league because they did great Jim, that's real And I can tell you more than that.
That was just to hear the argument here.
And then I'm delighted for you to address it.
No, that's real.
It's basically the neck artery.
I know what she means, that it's like, yeah, that looks consistent to me.
Because it's like when you hit the neck artery, blood is gushing out insanely.
And it's what you have is a little waterfall effect of his chest.
But this is not, you know, all the CGI went wrong.
This is the blood splattering out and bouncing off his chest.
Because when you pierce the neck artery, our blood flows up and incredibly high loss, your threshold, rather.
But yeah, now, you know, the other thing is so many people looking at him.
You can't really simulate that, the Hollywood style thing.
There were many people who were not involved in it that saw this.
I mean, this was like to everybody.
Yeah, this is not CGI.
This is real, unfortunately.
Okay.
There's another.
But also, I mean, if we assume it was real, what's more of direct, immediate investigative relevance is that for once, we're looking at a professional hilt.
This is not a Gen Z moron.
It's never used, you know, the rifle before La P. Butler.
And that's what I, that is completely consistent with what I expected, that eventually they'll actually hire somebody who knows the ship.
I say his, could we have they try to trust men more, even though the Russians have highly qualified sniping, as we find out, right?
But I assume it won't be key because we're in the Western world, they'll hire a guy to get the shit done.
And another thing that I wanted to say is that I think this was either a fallback assassination or was meant to be the second one in a row, because the one I was looking at into was the one what I think was a hit on Luigi Giuliani on Saturday.
And that was a two-part hit.
I think those people, the woman who hit him from the back, which strike me, I mean, I don't have any details of how the horsing went down, but they were hit from behind, and then their car careered into the barrier, and the other car careered into the barrier.
If I just have an educated guess, I would say they pulled the pit maneuver or she pulled the pit maneuver on the car, tried to.
That's when you get smashed into the barrier.
I had that nearly done on me twice.
I saw the formation pull up.
And the fact that Julian, out of all people, was slacked down before kind of implies they wanted to time it how they, you know, run it.
There's a million things the intelligence agencies do when they deal with it.
But bottom line for me is that we were meant to wake up Sunday morning to the news that Julian is dead.
And by another insane miracle, he survived and was out of hospital, was scheduled to be out of hospital in two three days.
And now Charlie Kirk has been shot today.
One of the things that's worrying me, and this is why I've been scratching and clawing, trying to get in between, to talk to Trump in his secret service detail, is because these two things, Julian and Charlie Kerr, are the two, the end tail of a very long, you know, snowball rolling towards Trump that I saw coming since September.
So in September, the day Bill and I sent our letter, so I left UPS at five o'clock.
We sent a letter to Trump.
We sent it both to Mar-a-Lago and New York, Trump Tower, New York, overnight.
I posted it, I think, just after five.
And at the rally that night, rallygoers in Arizona had their eyes burnt, which sounded like microwave weapons.
They had mysterious eye issues burning in the eyes.
They thought it was a chemical.
I don't think it was.
I think it was a microwave weapon.
And they experienced temporary blindness.
Classic microwave weapon.
After that, the same night in the early morning hours, a man, a New York deli owner, who Trump was due to meet the next morning, died.
He seemed to have synchronous pneumonia, but he died so surprisingly that the people who were close to him were amazed that he actually died.
So that sounds like, you know, directed energy weapon attack.
And the two things, I think, the plans for Trump on that September day when he was duty lead to Delhi on another canton last minute.
So that was already what happened when Bill and I sent our letter in September.
Then I scratched and clawed.
I was trying to prove the FBI had stolen our letters.
I sent another advance and I turned up at Mar-a-Lago outside of the checkpoint.
No, I never tried to get into Mar-a-Lago.
I was trying to hand them evidence to the Secret Service at Mar-a-Lago, but I announced it the week before.
And when I turned up, the Secret Service had no idea I was coming, even though I sent the letters the exact day and time.
I would be on the bridge outside Mar-a-Lago by the police checkpoint.
And I was there, I was in public space, I spoke to the police officers, they called out the Secret Service, they have no records of any of our letters.
That was December the 9th.
Then, shortly after, I think two or three weeks after, Alex Bruzovich, which is Team Trump, collapsed on stage at the Balladino.
Typical microwave weapon attack.
They have done these where CEOs collapse on the stage so many times.
It's not that.
So what I'm saying is it started off with the rally goers, probably the most remote related to Trump people yet.
Then it was a person who was not close to Trump but was going to shake hands with him the next day.
He died.
Then it was Team Trump in December, Alex Frugovitz.
Then by that time, I was going nuts and I said, oh, something is going to happen during the inauguration.
And all the signs were there and they moved it inside.
And I think that's what saved Trump.
But then after that, as I was trying to get through to Trump, I went to the Secret Service at Flutloff three times in DC and you came the last time, right?
And every single time we were stonewalled, but meanwhile, this whole pattern of moving in on Trump continued, because then I think the next thing that happened is, oh, Paul Hogan died.
He was at the, you know, at the big presentation, so he died.
Of course, these people might have had prior conditions, but hey, he died in just a couple of months after the inauguration.
Then it was the next one was Christy Noam had an allergic reaction and was hospitalized.
You know, of course, out of an abundance of caution.
But by the time you are, you've been around a couple of decades, you kind of know what your allergies are.
So having an allergic reaction out of the boom is highly unlikely.
Then after that, there was Pam Bondi who is cornea detached, which sounds strikingly like being shot in the eye with a false energy projectile.
So if I just put all these people in a row, we have Ravigoers, somebody who is going to meet Trump.
Then we have Alex Ruzoch, who's Team Trump, and then he moves to Howell Hogan, who presented at his valley.
And then we're down to the appointees.
We have Christy Noam, then we've got Pam Bondi.
And I was already, after this, I was livid.
I was like, who the hell is going to be next?
It's going to be somebody killed from Trump.
And we have Giuliani, who is a friend of Trump, so Haiti was very close.
And the one who is just as close to Trump, who's been to Mar-a-Lago, but is even more important for the 2024 elections and the path forward, was Charlie Kerr.
So now the question is, who is next?
Because by my calculations, the next people will be people like Nelania, Barron, Eric or Don Jr., or Lara Trump, right?
We're talking inner circle, family members, and then Trump.
And I think this time they would want to torture Trump by killing somebody who's close to him.
Okay, so if I just plot this whole thing of how the info agencies move from the outside in, both Juliani and Charlie Kerr fit perfectly on the trajectory.
Time-wise, order-wise, everything.
And I'm just going even more insane because we have been stonewalled now for a year.
One year, and a bunch of people got injured.
By now, if we had Finn Thread up and running, if we had done a proper investigation of the Butler assassination attempt, we would have these fuckers by now.
You would have the worldwide network by now.
A year on?
You're kidding me?
But you were networking there, yeah.
Yeah.
So I feel physically sick because the next ones in line will be somebody very close to Trump or Trump himself.
You know what I mean?
What is a message they're delivering to Trump?
Catherine, what's the message he's supposed to get?
Well, behind the scenes, I mean, he has several irons in the fire at the moment.
He has delivered, if he wanted to or not, quite well for the globalists without his knowledge.
He said he's not going to have cryptocurrencies, you know, like a central bank cryptocurrency.
And he went full hard with the cryptocurrencies, which are totally scam, right?
He went full hard with the AI bullshit by bringing in Stargate AI on day two.
That is a slavery mechanism.
That is a ginormous slavery mechanism.
This AI is not, oh, so you can say, hey, Alexa, you know, what happened on this Tuesday in 1835?
No.
That AI is to interface with people's body and brain and hearts.
They found nanotech in the COVID vaccines.
They found self-assembly nanotech.
and various vaccines.
It's about the tech in us.
It's about the internet of things in our bodies, right?
That's what you really need AI.
But hey, Trump delivered, you know, the keys to the kingdom on day two.
So all those things he does well for the globalists.
He's been supporting Israel, right?
He took out the Iranian nuclear program, which kind of pissed off a couple of hills.
But anyway, but he has been playing along really nicely.
But I think now he's starting to tackle the heat winter's plans within the country.
He keeps going after Cowell, the Fed chair, about the interest rate.
Well, that goes to the heart of the asset strapping of the American economy.
These interest rates, they are set at random.
They are set by the mothership, the Bank of International Settlement in Basel, Switzerland.
And it's all about how much can we bleed the American economy.
They're not pulling back because now they're going as good.
Now they can really bleed this thing, right?
So Trump has been going up against that.
Trump has been going up against various, for example, the mass immigration.
That was a key business plan of the globalists.
He's going against that.
He went against the EV mandate, the vaccine mandate.
They're going after big pharma.
And I think the deep state was stealing the pinch and all these things are warning shots.
But people were too freaking dumb to get it, I think.
Mind you, but I talk so much.
I'm quite upset about what happened today.
So actually, I'm not quite 100% persuaded.
For example, Trump undermined RFK Jr. by saying about the vaccines, they work, and we got to be very cautious in what changes we make.
I felt that was undermining him when he was being very aggressive and attacked by Elizabeth Morton and other stooges, shills for big pharma.
He even pointed out she received $885,000 from Big Pharma.
I mean, she's on their payroll.
I haven't seen him really rejecting war speed, which I would have liked him to have done a long time ago.
And thinking about this as a real assassination of Charlie Kirk, as I did before, just before we came on together, I got the couple of videos and I want us to look at the other two.
Seemed to me, what are they trying to distract?
What's happening almost the exact same time a major conference on 9-11 is happening in Washington, D.C., chaired by Ron Johnson, my own senator from Wisconsin, who's an upright, righteous dude.
I mean, he cares about the truth.
And also, it's distracting from the Epstein because we got the birthday card.
We got the sketch.
We got Trump's little message at Jeffrey.
What do you give the man who's got everything?
And let's keep our secret.
The last birthday card was just such a fake.
I don't believe it because, I mean, Trump said it.
It's not his language.
And I agree.
That's not how he talks.
That's not even how he talks in jets.
I mean, they keep, you know what really gets me?
They keep laboring this thing of, oh, but Trump was in with Epstein.
And then, hey, the Attorney General of Florida comes forward and says, oh, no, actually, Trump was the first informant on Epstein.
He was the one who told us about it.
And then they asked the victims and they said, oh, Trump only ever acted with integrity.
They asked now several victims and all of them openly confirmed Trump had nothing to do with them.
Then we had the Katie Johnson video that we did about I debunked last time, right?
That was such utter bullshit.
And they keep hammering the Epstein thing.
And meanwhile, Biden was an actual pedophile groping children at freaking press conferences and big photo shoots.
That's the pedophile, right?
Trump is just also as a woman.
He just doesn't strike me as a pedophile.
Pedophiles typically don't really surround themselves with, you know, nines and tens, like freaking supermodels.
You know, they wouldn't put that much emphasis on it.
I tell you who Peter pedophiles surround himself with people like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Michelle Obama, right?
Not really a nine or ten in anybody's book, okay?
But when you have really a man who's a billionaire going for sex bombs, I'm like, yeah, that's a billionaire going for a sex bomb, like any guy in his right mind would, all right?
Just like that's consistent.
I mean, and the other thing is, even if you don't trust Trump, I trust Melania.
I really do.
And knowing Eastern European women of her caliber, we just wouldn't put up with this bullshit.
First of all, it wouldn't fly by their radar, but they also would not put up with it.
And every time I look at the Trump family, all of the members, I just see happiness, you know, decency.
I am really a decent side.
In contrast, the Bushes, the Kilton, the Obamas, they've all pleased.
Deep, deep priest.
So everything in my body says red flag, you know, more red flags than at the Chinese party conference, you know.
But meanwhile, with Trump, I never had any red flags.
So I just don't buy this thing that they keep pushing.
And then, besides, have you seen the drawing of the silhouette with the words?
I've got it in here.
Is that attractive?
I was joking.
It clearly is not from Trump because he would, that's like a fool.
He would not draw anything less than a nine.
All right.
It's pathetic shit.
It's exactly what the FBI has been coming up with, you know, in all their false fact operations.
What I see is dumb people trying to make shit stick, and they're just too freaking dumb to actually come up with something good.
You know, that's basically my view.
I mean, the card was just bullshit.
That's my view.
Have you seen the card?
Nope.
I know I'm buying it.
And how many of these have we debunked?
You know, the Russian hotel peeing incident debunked.
Russia Gate debunked.
The Katie Johnson thing for me personally, totally debunked.
You know, the Epstein connection debunked by the witnesses.
I just, I just don't buy it.
I just don't.
Let me see if I have it various places I can pull it up.
Before we go there, though, let me ask.
I mean, I haven't seen these two other videos, and I'd only seen the one I just showed you one time before sharing it.
Let's take a look at this.
This is another alleged proof that it was fake.
Let's see what we got here.
The magic bouncing dock.
Okay, guys.
There's a place to be there.
Explain to me how...
Out to the sides.
Somebody tell me how there's a...
Like, okay.
So you couldn't be right above where you...
This is before the shot.
Do you see that little red spot above his freedom to the left sorry right right, should his right shoulder right, right below, right above his right pectoral muscle?
Watch that, watch that speck turn into a bullet hole.
But it moves across his shirt without leaving any trace that it was there and then pops up onto his neck.
A group of people right now tell me how that's possible.
You see it pop up onto his neck.
Watch it's over here.
It's over here on his shoulder, then up.
Then it goes up his shirt.
His shirt pops way up because I think there's a blood bag in there or something.
But look at that how it pops over now.
Where's the, where's the hole?
Where's the damage to the shirt?
If that's where the entry was, this is off.
This is off guys.
This is not correct.
Okay, first of all, I need to cross corroborate with an actual video where we have chain of pastivity because dgiing in a specific busy.
My second question is, if it was a blood pack, that actually just gosh, is this much?
How big is the blood pack?
And why is it not visible on his t-shirt?
Because he was wearing a white t-shirt which tended to be kind of semi-transparent, like a black t-shirt that gives you a tight stuff.
And then how big is the freaking blood pack?
Because it looked like, you know uh, half a gallon of blood was just pouring out of them.
So where would it all go?
And how do you pressurize it such that it comes out of one point?
You see what I mean?
Yes, I do, I do so.
It, as you know, I am totally open for anything and everything being faked, but so far everything fits my expected.
You know trajectory for the deep state of movement so perfectly.
I'm freaking out about the fact that this time they hired a professional person, and i'm also freaking out about the fact that maybe Juliani was also meant to die, maybe instead of Charlie Kirk, maybe along with Charlie if it's the latter and they have two assassinations, or wanted to have within one league, are they gonna increase the speed of the assassinations?
Are we just going to start seeing people just, you know, drop left, right and center?
I have to say Go ahead His body motion is consistent with getting shot.
I've seen, you know, animals getting shot and they think the heck, it's same same way.
Yes, not counting gang violence, great.
Another thing is that um, I think he was also talking about shootings that if this shot was highly timed because in his speech he was talking about transgender and then he started talking about mass shootings and the shot was perfectly timed but one thing that really really, really freaks me out is that he managed to he basically shoot this guy's neck out three.
That is a professional shot.
Like, that's not a Thomas Croft or some, you know, stand-in for Thomas Brooks.
This is somebody professional trained either by you know the law enforcement secret service or by the military.
Um, I mean, the skill is such that I don't care where this guy stood.
You know, if he was on the moves, people say by now it was 200 yards away on some moose talk on the on this lozy or new center, whatever it's called.
But to hit somebody's neck artery that perfectly 200 yards is not hard, yeah, I know, but if you have to just like narrow it in, you know, kind of remarkable to me that it's preceded by the black guy stabbing the Ukrainian girl in the artery, too, you know, about that.
And just today, somebody told me that he claimed.
So, two things I found out today: number one was a video being posted where he can be heard after the stabbing immediately.
He can be heard saying, I got the white girl, I got the white girl, which talking to his handlers on the bus.
The second thing I find strange is that this was like a cell phone reporting.
How would somebody have a cell phone ready to capture that so quickly?
You know, because he moves quite quickly when he stabbed her.
So, just somebody in the in you know, in the stress of the situation, getting cell phone out, get the phone app, start reporting.
Anyway, I thought it might be subway security footage.
Yeah, that's the one that we saw from the talk, and the video where you can hear him so clearly that that's somebody's cell phone.
Um, but anyway, so there was the statement of I got the white girl, which he keeps saying, and it's almost like he's talking to his handlers.
Does he say B?
Does he say V or A?
Does he say I got the white girl?
Yeah, I can send you the video.
Um, it's a short clip, I should be able to send it by now.
You know, the second thing is that this, so this is what I got to know today, which to me kind of implies he's talking to his handlers.
The second thing is that supposedly, and I have to check the sources, but supposedly he claimed that his chips were turned on and he was asked to kill her.
Now, as kooky and as bullshit as that sounds, this guy had a long rap sheet.
If he spent any time in jail or prison, you know, that's exactly where they implant people.
So, he could very well have been implanted.
You know, he could have had handlers.
We talked to him through audio transmissions.
But what I find is that I've been desperately trying to get into the secret service, warning them that the next attempt might be using somebody who's implanted and doesn't know it.
If we implant a secret service agent, we can literally make him pull his service down and shoot anybody around him or her, you know, without the need to be able to neurologically override the chips, chip current through their muscles.
So, and now we have somebody killing somebody quite so prominently, claiming that it has chips.
And again, it's just time-wise so close, you know.
It just goes bam, bam, bam.
We have Juliani, we have the Ukrainian girl, we have got Charlie.
Yeah, you know, I haven't paid much attention to the Giuliani thing, but I believe you're right that it's actually rather important.
And of course, he was a key player of 9-11.
Yes, exactly, exactly, yes.
Thank you for reminding me.
Of course, he was, right?
Yeah, we have the 9-11 is tomorrow, the 24-year anniversary.
Starting today, I think they started today at 5 p.m., the same time Jerry Kirk is hit.
started this three-day conference in Washington where Ron Johnson is chairing it.
Yeah.
And it seemed to me that's a perfect event to swamp it.
Some people talking about 9-11 are talking about Charlie Kirk.
Yeah, yeah.
That and then also I think the VAERS vaccine adverse reactions reporting system.
I think there's a conference about that and something is being unlocked.
Well, there's a major study that was completed in 2020 and because of the pandemic, it wasn't released at the time.
It's just been released.
And it shows for disease after disease, if you've had the vaccine, you're many times more liable to get the disease than if you were unvaxxed.
I mean, it was all vax versus unvaxxed.
It was just overwhelming that the vax was bringing about, you know, 100 times more often outcomes that weren't occurring with the unvaxed.
I mean, so there's a lot going on here one might want to distract from.
I think it would be 9-11, the most important.
I would think if this is a hit, I think it might be Mossad.
I mean, that would be my best guess.
As always, I agree with you, but as always, I'm also going to bring in MIT.
Mozart is only doing anything without MITs and vice versa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I think the British are much dirtier than I have tended to assume, including in relation to Ukraine.
They're doing a lot of bad stuff and they have yet to be exposed and held accountable.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
That's right.
I think it's the British and Mossad who are behind the, oh, somebody said today, explain it to me like a five-year-old.
You know, why is it that I have to look up the exact tweet, but it was like, why are we getting so upset if Israel takes out the masterminds in Doha, right?
And my reply was, because the masterminds of the October 7th false leg operation and Tel Aviv in London, you're not going to get them in Doha.
Right.
You know, so that's why people are upset.
That's why I, personally, said the MI6 building.
The Geneva Convention, the UN jar, everything was wrong here.
This was an outrageous act.
And it shows Israel is totally lawless.
They have no respect for any law.
They're following a higher order, God's law, so they claim.
So I'm not bound by any human law, but that makes them unfit for human society, in my opinion.
They're demonstrating they are uncivilized.
They're absolutely out of control.
They've gone totally rogue.
And unfortunately, Trump has been supporting Catherine.
See, we have a difference here.
I see Trump as way too deep with the Israelis and slaughtering the Palestinians.
I can't forgive that.
You know, the thing is, did you see when he was asked about it?
I think it was today, but yesterday when he came up of that restaurant, and on his face, I could see that he's starting to get seriously fed up.
We had, you know, when he said they had been at each other for so long.
Yeah, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
That's one of the things when that Trump said on his way to the helicopter, where it was the first track in the facade.
I mean, his son-in-law is Jewish.
He has to, you know, of course, make everybody in the U.S. government happy, most of whom have the double citizenship, right?
So to keep the beast operational, he has to come into them.
But I think now that the cracks in the facade are showing, you know.
And I think the way Trump operates, this is what I've seen so far, is that he gives people endless chances to redeem themselves.
But when they continue to consistently fuck up, he just cuts them off.
And I'm hoping that's what's going to come next, you know, that the Israelis have just crossed so many lines that you'll say, hey, you're, you know, you're on your own.
You know, next time you need help, call MI6, see what the Brits can pay for.
That's what I would do.
You know, I would take, you know, Netanyahu's number when it's calling and put an automatic forward to MI6 in London.
Bagel, you guys deal with it.
You know, Trump did say in relation to the massive military parade in Beijing, which impressed the hell out of me.
I've never seen anything that formidable in terms of a military parade.
It was awesome that we've lost Russia and China, Russia and India, China, because they're cooperating.
We also have the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
BRICS is going.
I mean, the West, in my opinion, is crumbling the economically, politically, morally, long since gone.
So, you know, I think everything is with China, Russia, Iran.
I mean, they are the future as I see it.
The West is gone.
We had our opportunity.
Oh, I mean, I wouldn't say that their military is that strong.
That military tried to go into South Vietnam or Vietnam, got their ass kicked.
And they failed out.
They went in, I think, twice, as I recall.
And both times they got their ass kicked.
Now, that's not an impressive military at all.
Yeah, but Bill, that's a long time ago.
You think they're any better?
They haven't had any combat experience since then.
That makes them even worse.
I think they're much better.
And Russia right now is the most formidable military force in the world.
No, they're getting their ass kicked by a third of the population in the field by the Ukrainian.
They've got one-third their capability.
They're getting their ass kicked.
Bill, we had that difference before.
Don't you remember?
We got confirmation from hackers that this Ukrainian 1.7 million.
I will believe that when I see the braves and the name.
This is astonishing.
Somebody came out and said that.
Yeah, but I've had so many other things that you could find in people saying this or that.
I don't frankly know which one to believe.
That's why I sent all the versions I had to you, because I couldn't see or tell who's telling the truth.
And I still, I have the proof of it is the Russians are not moving forward and taking a lot of territory.
They're not.
Russia have a strategy that's happy where they stay in place and let the Ukrainians keep coming in.
So they decimate them.
They're decimating them.
They are wiping out Ukraine.
I guarantee you 100%.
I'm reporting on this every day, every day.
I'm bringing in the best expert.
Colonel McGregor, I must have heard him a hundred times talking about what's going on here.
Scott Branner.
I know both of those people.
I hear them say that, and I say, Well, where's the proof of that?
No, I don't see any proof at all.
I know them both.
Where's the proof?
I mean, where's the beast?
You know, I'm looking for beef.
I can't find it.
Nobody has any.
It's just speculation and a bunch of comments.
Well, everybody's got body parts and then common and an opinion is a body part.
We well, here's the thing.
What do you believe?
I don't.
Okay, so if we back out, any military that lets any actual vital information leak out will be not worth their thought.
Okay, so information containment is their biggest, biggest job.
And if they leaked it out to YouTubers, they would have other problems, right?
So I think, you know, unless one has really proper military intelligence, satellite imagery, and actual, you know, actual proper professional assessment of what the plot was going on, it's very hard to keep coming.
At the end of the day, at the end of the day, what's really sad is that it doesn't really matter because both sides, as always, are funded by the Rothschilds.
Both sides, Ukraine, just as much as Russia has the same central banking fiat currency as all the others.
And the saddest part is people are dying on both sides.
Yeah, people are dying on both spots.
But at the end of the day, this war like all people are pretty much correlated stage.
Okay.
And because if it was a proper real war and these countries were sovereign, they wouldn't take their monetary policy with the stuff that decides their military power.
They wouldn't get their marching orders from the Bank of International reception in Switzerland that they do.
They all do.
So these are not independent countries.
They are not sovereign countries.
These are puppets.
As one, you know, my favorite quote from MI5 and MI6 whistleblower pages was that this is anti-spolit.
People on both sides are masons.
They are part of the same secret society.
I really, really believe that.
On the off chance, I'm right that the shooting at Charlie Kirk is intended to be a distraction from the 9-11 conference and perhaps other peripheral.
Yeah.
What's your take on 9-11?
Why would they go to such an extreme measure?
I'd like your assessment.
I mean, well, mine is out there in the space, but I'm interested in yours.
Yeah, Bill, go ahead.
Well, I was going to say, you know, there's so many things about 9-11 that have never been answered.
And they're the physics issues.
Like, how do you get molten metal pouring out of a building from a fire in the building that never gets hot enough to melt metal?
Yeah.
You know, I mean, that's pretty simple.
And, you know, and building seven fell on its own.
I mean, I have the answer to that one.
It wasn't a thermicron.
No, no, no.
It was lead.
The Fiji Bank had a whole bank of batteries as backup if they lost electricity.
It was just lead from the batteries, which has a relatively low melting point.
And they kind of colored it, laid it up.
How high up the building molten steel or iron, which it obviously is not.
How high up the building was the Fiji main thing?
I don't know.
This stuff was coming out of the middle of the building.
Yeah, yeah.
Is that where it was?
Well, there were fires there that would have been sufficient for the batteries to melt.
But Steve Jones and others have played it up as though it were, you know, iron.
It isn't iron.
You're absolutely right.
The temperature wasn't remotely close enough for iron.
But the fact of the matter is when whatever, you know, petal it settled, the iron-guarding skeleton was the only way to be found.
It's not just that iron melted, I'm vaporized.
At the bottom, that's where it went boom.
You know, all the material had been vaporized.
So, yes, yeah, but he has to think it's going to be a distraction from the 9-11 conference.
If it's a false flag or not, if it's real, it's going to be a distraction.
You mean the shooting, the shooting, whether it's false flag or not?
Yeah, I agree.
And I think actually, now that it reminded me of, I mean, of course, for all Americans and very obvious that Time is connected to 9-11, but because I'm European, I still have to, you know, map where people were at the time.
Of course, he was the mayor, right?
But yes, that actually fits this pattern even more and would also play into your reasoning that it is a distraction from 9-11.
But I think beyond that, they're moving it on tomorrow.
Well, there's a couple of other things that were important to know about 9-11.
One, there was a report generated inside NSA that was going to say there's going to be a major attack by people, you know, and the Twin Towers was a prime target for it.
And that was stopped from being issued.
And the same was true with the FBI.
It had somebody in FBI, I forget them in the Detroit area or something.
We had information about that and wanted to send and was sending stuff into Washington and they ignored that.
Well, the neocons, who are very heavy in the DOD at this point, and Dick Cheney especially, were all for it.
They were involved with BBN, you know, and plotting the whole damn thing.
So, you know, they were going to make 9-11 gave them the excuse to do just about anything they wanted.
I have one little footnote.
I mean, this internal memo in NSA doubles super important for people to know about, but a much more tenuous, yet much more revealing thing was the code names.
You said that you ran things.
So you found the code names in which the terrorists were referring to the Pentagon.
Actually, I found it.
Google.
Oh, you found it with Google.
Yeah.
In the open, yeah, it was good.
Great.
So it's so classified, we can talk about it.
The thing is town center, there's the two towers in New York.
And the targets in Washington, we were telling the intelligence community, were the White House and the Capitol building.
That's why it was law and fine arts.
Those are the two targets in Washington.
Those are the names they gave to me.
Okay, so let's just recap for the average person, right?
This is, in my view, hugely important because for me, that contains a lot of evidentiary, you know, trail speaks here.
So the code For the Twin Towels was Town Center.
The code name for at the time it was meant to be the Capitol building was law.
But the code name for the White House was fine art, right?
Now, this for me as a European is smoking gun because nobody, there's no fucking body anywhere in the world would refer to the White House as fine arts unless, unless they have CIA and they give daily briefings to the presidency and they spend a lot of time basically waiting around in the White House in these antechambers looking at fine art.
Because yes, if you've been to the White House, you see the place is full.
But unless you have physically visited the White House, you wouldn't know about it.
I'm pretty sure, because, you know, I know about art and about modern, you know, like classical buildings.
And that connection was never made.
So for me, that the code word was fine art is for me personally, direct proof, it was the CIA.
The CIA was in collision with Mossade.
And MI6, please text them.
We even told all that.
We gave a little briefing to the people in the CIA at the time, but 2002 or 3, I can't remember which name.
But after we did our study using the open source, he said to us, how do you know all this?
Now, they were thinking it was only in classified.
They're on the web.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
By the way, if you look at the way Trump has remodeled the White House, there's nothing fine art about it anymore.
It's gaudy.
It's all gold plated.
It's really tacky, tacky.
I should say I really love the fact that he tiled over the rose garden, having like an outdoor, you know, seating area, I think, is brilliant.
That is so much more inviting, you know, for people to actually congregate with him with Scots.
And, you know, I thought that was brilliant.
Now, I have seen the models for the ballroom, and I have one huge complaint.
I mean, I see what you mean about the gold and the white, but I've got an even bigger complaint, and that's the floor.
I think the floor needs to be, you know, remodeled because he has black and white checkered tiling.
Now if you have gold and white at the top.
Black and white checkered tiling isn't that straight out of the Masonic playground?
It is the Masonic temple, right?
Exactly, but the point is when you have The ballroom is a Masonic Shrine Exactly.
But when you have the Masonic checkers on the floor and you have gold and white, the gold and white are the Vatican flat.
So you have Crown Corporation blasting over the whole ballroom.
Trump's addicted to gold, you know.
Yeah, he is.
But I think it is heavy metal.
Yeah, but it's a classical style.
I mean, hey, you know, Louis Catos was all over it.
You know, Matt King Ludwig in Munich loved it.
Absolutely loved it.
Yeah.
But it's the classical style.
So if you like the classical style, there's no way around, you know, gold and white.
However, if you make it the flag of the Vatican above, you cannot have check and floor floors.
No, no, no, no.
A mosaic of the, I don't know, the president's seal maybe, or I don't know, a mosaic hardwood flooring like they have in the Blueberry.
Anything else would be.
A concrete floor would be better, quite frankly, you know.
But the black and white tiling, no, no, I don't make it.
Since today is the 10th and tomorrow is the 11th.
I'd like each of you to just explain what you think is the key to understanding 9-11.
What do you think is most important to grasp?
What should the American people understand as you, Bill Benny and Catherine Horton, see it?
Bill, first.
Well, my basic impression is that the military-industrial complex and the deep state needed some way to some event or something to leverage it to do just about anything they wanted to.
And 9-11 is a key point.
They got a Patriot Act that they had a secret interpretation that said they could do anything, you know, and when they gave them the authorization to use military force, that was in a certain, for a certain country.
That's what the intent was, but they applied it to the whole world.
And so that basically allowed them to do anything they wanted to anywhere and charge the American public for the price of paying for all of them.
Catherine?
My addition would be to look even more globally and to realize that 9-11, even though thousands of people died at 9-11, it was a false flag operation and there are much bigger false flag operations.
Wars have been false flag operations for a long time, not staged and fake.
Many people die, just like at 9-11.
But if we zoom out and realize that 9-11 was an important, but only one stepping stone on the way to damnation, there are many other events that people die.
You know, the current war in Ukraine is a stepping stone, and how many hundreds of thousands of millions died?
What's the telling?
I don't really know.
So it is extremely important to understand 9-11.
But the biggest takeaway from that would be the leads to, you know, Mossad, to the CIA, and to British intelligence.
And of course, it was used to justify taking out the governments of seven countries in the next five years to promote the Greater Israel project.
Well, with the fall of Syria, which is now led by a former IDF, what could be more ideal from the point of view of Bibi Nania?
Only Iran remains.
And many of us believe that that's why they're focusing still.
They want to finish a project.
And they do want from the Euphrates to the Nile, all to be the Greater Israel.
And they're unrelenting.
They're unrelenting.
I am so embarrassed that Donald Trump has anything to do with the slaughter in Gaza.
I can't begin to tell you.
It broke my heart.
The confidence I had in the guy, I voted for him three times, completely shattered.
I leave final thoughts to each of you, Bill, for his final thought.
Well, I just still think we're in a hell of a mess.
And the deep state is still functioning, and it's not been stopped anywhere that I can see.
My view is that the Charlie Perk thing is, I mean, at least now I think it was real, and it's a stepping stone on the deep state moving on in on Trump and Isandali.
So for me, it's a wake-up call.
I'll be working flat out from today onwards, try to get through to Trump and his secret service director and to Kash Patel and to see this.
Well, I treasure these weekly conversations, and I always learn from you both.
This has been a joy for me.
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