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Sept. 11, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL: Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE! Septamber 10, 2025
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Well, welcome to another real deal special interviewing Bill Binney and Catherine Horton who are under fire.
And today's extraordinarily interesting on multiple grounds, including, of course, the reports we just had of Charlie Kirk, who is an organizer activist for the MAGA movement, having been shot at a college in Utah, which was uh first event of the kickoff of a nationwide college tour to promote the mega movement, Trump agenda, and the like.
Now, here's uh story about it.
Kirk dies after shooting Trump confirms.
Uh the great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead.
The President post said no one understood or had the heart of the youth in the United States of America better than Charlie.
He was loved and admired by all, especially me.
Many such reports.
Here's another shot heard around the world.
Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah event.
Suspect Melicastic Lee says statement.
Here's Cash Mattel.
The subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody.
Thank you to the local and state authorities in Utah for your partnership.
We'll provide updates.
And we have here some footage of what happened.
Here's Alex Jones making a statement about it.
All right.
I've got some really bad news for people.
I just got a call five minutes ago from a very trusted source who's never been wrong.
Connected three letter agencies who's very close to people.
They were on the ground there when Charlie Kirk was shot in Utah today.
And he died a long time ago.
So he's dead.
And I got a call saying where are you getting your info?
He might be alive.
And I said, I'm getting off the news.
They said, no, he's dead.
That's directly from people on the ground.
I'll leave it at that.
Very close to Charlie.
So they killed him.
The left killed him.
And I get the family and others are probably thinking about what they're gonna say or what they're gonna do, but you see that footage.
They say clearly from the report, the rifle and all the rest of it, high-powered rifle.
They said because the reason his chest lifts up is just the effect that the bullet and high speed creates, put him in the neck.
And Charlie's dead.
But if the left thinks this is gonna intimidate us to shut up, they got nothing coming.
Charlie was out there at the campuses getting millions of young people to vote for Trump.
And they just the left cannot allow this.
And John Pedest plan was if Trump got re-elected to launch a civil war.
So it's live now.
Everybody should be really watching out.
They're gonna try to kill Trump again.
Just God bless you all, and God bless Charlie Kirk.
He died like a Viking king, sword in his hand, the info war.
Now, I pray my source is wrong, but the source has been the source of so much, but it's always been accurate.
He said 100%.
Talk people directly there, directly involved.
I'm gonna try to get him to come on the air.
Um I'm here to get my dad out of the hospital after he had his uh heart surgery stuff, though that went well, so I'm dealing with that right now.
I'm gonna go back at the office here in about an hour.
Let's see what else we got.
Breaking Charlie Kirk is dead from Polkal Point Justin.
President Trump says Charlie Kirk is dead after the young man was shot at an event in Utah Valley University earlier today.
The suspect is not yet in custody.
Despite saying earlier the police had someone in custody.
Now this is one of my colleagues.
I mean, I tell you, I got such extraordinarily Competent colleagues.
I mean, the ink isn't even dry on the declaration.
And here's what she said already about the shooting as a close-up, okay.
Charlie Kirk shooting hope.
obvious evidence of CGI, see what you think.
Not counting gang violence.
Great.
Oh, wow.
Try it out.
Great.
Oh, wow.
Try it.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
That's real.
and that's a professional because Jim, that's real.
And I can tell you more than that.
That was a good thing.
The argument here.
and then I'm delighted for you to address it.
Thank you.
No, that's real.
It's basically the neck artery.
I know what she means that it's like um, yeah.
That that looks consistent to me.
Because it's like when you hit the neck artery, blood is gushing out and saying, and it's what you have is a little waterfall effect off his chest.
But this is not, you know, all the CTI went for.
This is this is the blood splattering out and bouncing off his chest.
Because when you pierce the the um neck artery, our blood flows at an incredibly high velocity or pressure, rather.
Um but yeah, now you know the other thing is um so many people looking at him, you can't really simulate that the Hollywood style, you know, thing.
There were many people who were not involved in it that saw this, and this was like to everybody.
Um yeah, this is this is not um CGI.
This is this is real unfortunate thing.
Okay.
But also, I mean, if we assume it was real, what's more uh of direct immediate investigative um relevance is that for once you're looking at the professional guilt.
This is not a Gen Z moron who's never used, you know, the rifle before I think Butler.
And and that's what I that is completely consistent with what I expected, that eventually they'll actually hire somebody who also shit.
I say his, could we have uh they tried 10 to trust men more, even though the Russians have highly qualified sniping and deep by health, right?
But I assume it was the key because we're in the Western world, they'll hire a guy to get his shit done.
And another thing that I wanted to say is that I think this was either a fallback assassination or it was meant to be the second one in a row, because the one I I was looking at into was the one um what I think was a hit on Hindu Giuliani on Saturday, and that was a two-part hit.
I think most people, the woman who hits him from the back, which striking me.
I mean, I I don't have any details of how the whole thing went down, but they were hit from behind, and then their car careered into the barrier, and the other car careered into the barrier.
If I just have an indicator guess, I would say the they pulled the pit maneuver or she threw the pit many on the car, try to.
That's when you get smashed into the barrier.
I had that nearly done on me twice.
Uh, I saw the formation pull up.
Um, and that the fact that Giuliani out of all people was slacked down before kind of implies they wanted to time it, um, how they you know run it.
This is a million things the intelligence agencies do when they do it, but bottom line for me is that we were meant to wake up Sunday morning to the news that Giuliani is dead, and by another insane miracle, he survived and was out of hospital and was scheduled to be out of hospital in two three days.
And now Charlie Kirk has been shot today.
Uh, one of the things that's worrying me, and this is why I've been scratching and flying, uh, trying to get in between to talk to Trump in his Secret Service detail, is because these two things, Julian and Charlie Kirk, are the two the end tail of a very long, you know, snowball rolling towards Trump that I saw coming since September.
So in September, the day Bill and I sent our letter.
So I left UPS at five o'clock.
We sent a letter to Trump.
We sent it both to Mar-a-Lago and our New York, Trump's house in New York overnight.
I posted it, I think just after five.
And at the rally that night, uh rally goers in Arizona had their eyes black, which sounded like microwave weapons.
They had mysterious eye issues burning in the eyes.
They thought it was a chemical.
I don't think it was, I think it was a microwave weapon, and they experienced temporary blindness.
After that, the same night in the early morning hours, um, a man, a New York Delhi owner who Trump was due to meet the next morning, died.
Um, he seemed to have some kind of pneumonia, but he's he died so surprisingly that the people were close to him were based that he actually died.
So that sounds like you know, directed energy weapon attack.
And the the two things, I think the plans for Trump on that September day when he was briefly weakly deliberate or cancer last minute.
Um so that was already what happened when Bill and I sent our letter in September.
Then I stretched and clawed, I was trying to prove the FBI had stolen our letters.
I sent another advance and I turned up at Mar-a Lago outside of the checkpoint.
No, I never tried to get into Mar-a-Lago.
I was trying to hand them evidence to the Secret Service at Mar-a-Lago, but I announced it the week before.
And when I turned up, the Secret Service had no idea I was coming, even though I sent the letters the exact day and time.
I would be on the bridge outside Mar-a-Lago by the police checkpoint.
And I was there, but I was in public space, I spoke to the police officers, they called out the Secret Service, they had no records of any of our letters.
That was December the 9th.
Then shortly after, I think two or three weeks after, Alex Bruzovich, which is team Trump, collapsed on stage at the ballot in the typical microwave weapon attack.
They have done these where CEOs collapse on the stage so many times at Sahla.
So what I'm saying is it started off with rally goers, probably the most remote related to Trump you can get.
Then it was a person who was not close to Trump who was going to shake hands with him the next day, he died.
Then it was Team Trump in December, Alex Bruderwitz.
Then by that time, I was going nuts, and I said, Oh, something is gonna happen during the inauguration.
And all the signs were there, and they moved it inside, and I think that's what St. Trump.
But then after that, as I was trying to get through to Trump, we went to this, I went to the Secret Service a total of three times NDC, and you came the last time, right?
And every single time we were stonewalled, but the meanwhile, this whole um pattern of moving in on Trump continued.
Because then I think the next thing that happened is, oh, Paul Hogan died.
He was at the uh uh, you know, at the big presentation, so he died.
Of course, these people might have had prior conditions, but hey, he died in just a couple of months after the inauguration.
Then it was the next one was Tristy Nolan, had an allergic reaction and was hospitalized, you know, of course, out of the abundance of caution.
But by the time you are, you've been around a couple of decades, you kind of know what the allergies are.
So having uh an allergic reaction out of the boomer is highly unlikely.
Then after that, um it was Pam Bondy, who is cornea detached, which sounds strikingly like being shot in the eye with a false energy projectile.
So if I just put all these people in a row, we have Ravigoers, somebody was going to meet Trump, then we have Alex Business who's team Trump, and then we moved to Hulk Hogan, who presented at his valley, and then we're down to the appointees.
We have Christy Noe, then we've got Pam Bondy, and I was already after this, I was livid.
I was like, who the hell is going to be next?
There's going to be somebody closing Trump.
Then we have Juliani, who is a friend of Trump's right.
He was very close.
And the one who is just as close to Trump, he's been to Mar-a-Lago, but it was even more importantly for the uh 2024 elections and the fast forward was Charlie Kirk.
So now the question is who is next?
Because by my calculations, the next people will be people like Nelania, Barron, Eric or Don Jr. or Lara Trump, right?
We're talking inner circle, family members, and then Trump.
And I think this time they would want to torture Trump by killing somebody who's close to him.
Okay, so if I just plot this whole thing of how the influences moved from the outside in, both Julie Mani and Charlie Kirk fit perfectly on the trajectory.
Time wise, order wise, everything.
And I'm just going even more insane because we have been stonewalled now for a year.
One year, and a bunch of people got injured and got, you know, by now, if we had thin thread up and running, if we had done a proper investigation of the butler assassination attempt, we would have these fuckers by now.
You would have the worldwide network by now.
A year on, you're kidding me?
Yeah.
So it I feel physically sick because the next ones in line will be somebody very close to Trump or Trump himself.
What is the message they're delivering to Trump?
Catherine, what's message he's supposed to get?
Well, behind the scenes, I mean, he he has he has several irons uh you know in the fire at the moment.
He has delivered, if he wanted to or not, quite well for the globalists without his knowledge.
He said he's not gonna have cryptocurrencies, you know, like a central bank cryptocurrency, and he went full hard with the cryptocurrencies, which are totally scam, right?
He went full hard with the AI bullshit by bringing in Stargate AI on day two.
That is a slavery mechanism.
That is a ginormous slavery mechanism.
This AI is not, oh, so you can say, hey, Alexa, you know, what happened on this Tuesday in 1835?
No.
That AI is to interface with people, body and brain and parts.
They found nanotech in the COVID vaccines, they found self-assembling nanotech and various vaccines.
It's about the tech in us, it's about the internet of things in our bodies, right?
That's what you really need AI.
But hey, Trump delivered, you know, the keys to the kingdom on day two.
So all those things he does well for the globalists, he's been supporting Israel, right?
He took out the Iranian uh nuclear program, which kind of you know, pissed off a couple of over this, but anyway, but he has been playing along really nicely, but I think now he's starting to tackle the the heat with risk transit in the country.
He keeps um, you know, going after Cowell, the Fed uh chair about the interest rate.
Well, that goes to the heart of the asset strapping of the American economy.
These interest rates, they are set at random, they are set by the mothership, the Bank of International Settlement in Basel, Switzerland, and it's all about how much can we bleed the American economy?
You know, they're not pulling back because now they're going as good.
Now they can really bleed this thing, right?
So but Trump has been going up against that.
The Fed Trump has been going up against uh various um, for example, the mass immigration, that was a key business plan of the globalists.
He's going against that.
He went against the uh EV mandate, the vaccine mandate, they're going after big pharma.
And I think the deep state was stealing the pinch and all these things, so warning shots.
But people were too freaking dumb to get it, I think.
But I talked so much.
I'm quite upset about what happened today.
It's all excellent.
Not quite 100% persuaded, for example.
Trump undermined RFK Jr. by saying about the vaccines they work and we gotta be very cautious and what changes we make.
I felt that was undermining him when he was being very aggressive and attacked by Elizabeth Warden and other stooges, shills for Big Pharma.
He even pointed out she received 885,000 from Big Pharma.
I mean, she's on their payroll.
I haven't seen him really rejecting work speed, which I would have liked him to have done a long time ago.
And thinking about this as a real assassination of Charlie Kirk, as I did before just before we came on together, I got the couple of videos that I want us to look at the other two.
Seem to me, what are they trying to distract?
What's happening almost the exact same time a major conference on 9-11 is happening in Washington, DC, chaired by Ron Johnson, my own senator from Wisconsin who's an upright righteous dude.
I mean, he cares about the truth.
And also it's distracting from the Epstein, because we got uh we got the birthday card, we got the sketch, we got Trump's little message to Jeffrey.
What do you give the man who's got everything?
And let's keep our secret.
I don't believe it because I mean Trump said it, it's not his language, and I agree.
That's not how he talks.
That's not even how he talks in jest.
I mean, they keep, you know what really gets me?
They keep laboring this thing of, oh, but Trump was in with Epstein, and then hey, the attorney general of Florida comes toward you and says, Oh no, I actually Trump was the first informant on uh Epstein.
He was the one who told us about it.
And then they asked uh the victims, and they said, Oh, Trump only ever acted with integrity.
They asked now several victims, and all of them openly confirmed Trump had nothing to do with it.
Then we had the Katie Johnson video that we debunked, or I debunked last time, right?
Um, that was such utter bullshit, and they keep hammering the Epstein thing.
And meanwhile, Biden was an actual pedophile groping children at freaking press conferences and big, you know, photo shoots.
That's the pedophile, right?
It Trump is just also as a woman, he just doesn't strike me as a pedophile.
Pedophiles typically don't really surround themselves with, you know, nines and tens, like freaking supermodels, you know, they wouldn't put that much emphasis on it.
I tell you Peter Pedophile surround themselves with people like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Michelle Obama, right?
Not really a nine or ten in anybody's book, okay?
Well, when you have really a man who's a billionaire going for sex bombs, I'm like, yeah, that's a billionaire going for a sex bomb.
Like any guy in his right mind for it, all right?
That's consistent.
I mean, and the other thing is, even if you don't trust Trump, I trust Melania.
I really do.
And knowing Eastern European women of that caliber, they just wouldn't put up with this bullshit.
First of all, it wouldn't fly by their radar, but they also would not put up with it.
Um, and every time I look at the Trump family, all of the members, I just see happiness, you know, decency.
I am really a decent side.
In contrast, the Bushes, the kittens, the Obamas, they've all reads.
Deep deep.
So everything in my body says red flag, you know, more red flags than uh at the Chinese party conference.
You know, but meanwhile, with Trump, I never had any any red flag.
So I just don't buy this this thing that they keep pushing.
And then besides, have you seen the drawing of the silhouette with the words?
I think I've got it in here.
Is that attractive?
I was joking.
It clearly is not from Trump because he would it that's like a fool.
He would not draw anything less than a nine.
All right, it's it's sympathetic shit.
It's exactly what the FBI has been coming up with, you know, and all their falseback operations.
What I see is dumb people trying to make shit stick and they're just too freaking dumb to actually come up with something good, you know?
That that's basically my view.
I mean, the card was just bullshit.
That's my have you seen the card?
Nope.
I buy it.
And how many of these have we debunked?
You know, the Russian hotel peeing incident, the bunk.
Russia gate debunked.
The Katie Johnson thing for me personally totally debunked, you know.
The Epstein connection he bunked by the witnesses.
I just I just don't buy it.
I I just don't.
Let me see if I I have it various places.
I can pull it up.
Before we go there, though, let me ask.
I mean, I I haven't seen these two other videos, and I'd only seen the one I just showed you one time before sharing it.
Let's take a look at this.
This is another alleged proof that it was fake.
So let's see what we got here.
The magic bouncing dock.
Okay, guys.
Explain to me how to the sides.
Somebody tell me how there's a like be right above where this is before the shot.
Do you see that little red spot above his uh freedom?
To the left.
Uh sorry, uh right, right shoulder, his right shoulder, right below right above his right pectoral muscle.
Watch that, watch that speck turn into a bullet hole.
But it moves across his shirt at this point without leaving any trace that it was there, and then pops up onto his neck.
A group of people right now tell me how stage.
Then there's a bit of a that's possible.
You see it pop up onto his neck?
Watch, it's over here.
It's over here on his shoulder.
Yeah, then up, then it goes up.
His shirt pops way up because I think there's a blood bag in there or something.
But look at that, how it pops over.
Now, where's the where's the hole?
Where's the damage to the shirt?
If that's where the entry was.
This is off.
This is off, guys.
This is not correct.
Okay, first of all, I need to quit cross-corroborate with an actual video where we have chain of past the bean because DGI ing in a spec is easy.
My second question is if it was a blood pack that actually just gushes this much, how big is the blood pattern?
And why is it not visible on his t-shirt?
Because he was wearing a white t-shirt, which tend to be kind of semi-transparent, like a black t-shirt that you get to hide stuff.
And then how big is the freaking blood pack?
Because it looked like you know uh half a gallon of blood was just pouring out of there.
So, where would it all go?
And how do you pressurize it such that it comes out of one point?
You see what I mean?
Yes, I do.
I do.
So it as you know, I am totally open for anything and everything being faked.
But so far, everything fits my expected, you know, trajectory for the deep state of the movement so perfectly.
I'm freaking out about the fact that this time they hired a professional person, and I'm also freaking out about the fact that maybe Juliani was also meant to die.
Maybe instead of Charlie Kirk, maybe along with Charlie Kirk.
If it's the latter and they have two assassinations or one thing to have within one lead, are they gonna increase the speed of assassinations?
Are we just going to stop seeing people just you know drop left, right, and center?
Yes, running game violence.
Great.
Oh I have to say uh gang violence.
Great.
Go ahead.
His body motion is consistent with getting shot.
I've seen you know, animals getting shot and they've been reaction.
It's the same same win.
Yes.
Not counting gang violence.
Great.
Another thing is that um I think he was also talking about shootings.
It this shot was highly time because in his speech he was talking about transgender, and then he started talking about mass shootings, and the shot was perfectly fine.
But one thing that really, really, really freaks me out is that he managed to basically shoot this guy's neck artery.
That is a professional shot.
Like that's not a Thomas Cross or some you know, stamina for Thomas Brooks.
This is somebody professional train, either by you know the law enforcement secret service or by the military.
Um I mean, the skill is such I don't care where this guy stood, you know, if he was on the roots, people say by now it was 200 yards away on some root stop on the on this nosy or news center, whatever it's called.
Yeah, to hit somebody's neck artery that perfect me.
200 yards is not hard.
Yeah, I know, but if you have to just like narrow it in, you know.
Kind of remarkable to me that it's preceded by the black guy stabbing the Ukrainian girl in the artery, too.
And you know about that, and just today somebody told me that he claimed.
So two things I found out today.
Number one was a video being posted where he can be heard after the stabbing immediately, you can be heard saying, I I got the white girl, I got the white girl, which he had talking to his handlers on the bus.
The second thing I find strange is that um this was like a cell phone, the recording.
How would somebody have a cell phone ready to capture that so quickly?
You know, because she was quite quickly when he stabbed her.
So just somebody in the in, you know, in the stress of the situation and help phone out, get the phone app start reporting.
Anyway, that I thought it might be subway security footage.
Yeah, that's the one that we saw from the talk, and the video where you can hear him talk clearly that that's somebody's cell phone.
Um, but anyway, so there was the statement of I got the white girl, which he keeps saying, and it's almost like he's talking to his handlers.
Does he say B?
Does he say the or A?
Does he say I got the the white girl?
A micro.
I can yeah, I can send you the video.
Um it's a short clip.
I should be able to send it by now.
She says, you know, the second thing is that this.
So this is what I got to know today, which to me kind of implies he's talking to his handlers.
The second thing is that supposedly, and I have to check the sources, but supposedly he claimed that his chips were turned on and he was asked to kill her.
Now, as kooky and as bullshit as that sounds, this guy had a long rap sheet as he spent any time in jail or prison, you know.
That's exactly where they implant people.
So he could very well have been implanted, you know.
He could have had handlers, we we talked to him through audio transmissions.
But what I might point to is that I've been desperately trying to get into the Secret Service, warning them that the next attempt might be using somebody who's implanted and doesn't know it.
If we implant a secret service agent, we can literally make it pull his service down and shoot anybody around him or her, you know, um, without them even being able to neurologically override the chips, chip currents through their muscles.
So and now we have somebody killing somebody quite so prominently, claiming that it was chips, and again, it's just time-wise so close, you know.
It just goes bam, bam, bam.
We have Joanny, we have the uh Ukrainian girl, we have got Charlie T. Yeah, I you know, I haven't paid much attention to the Juliani thing, but I believe you're right that it's actually rather important.
And of course, he was a key player of 9-11.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
Yes, thank you for reminding me.
Of course he was, right?
And we have yeah, we have the 9-11 as tomorrow, the 24th anniversary.
Starting today, I think.
They started today at 5 p.m., the same time Charlie Kirk is hit.
They started this three-day conference in Washington where Ron Johnson is chairing it.
Yeah.
And it seemed to me that's a perfect event to swamp it.
So people talking about 9-11, they're talking about Charlie Kirk.
Yeah, yeah.
That and then also I think the V A E R S vaccine uh adverse reactions reporting system.
I think there's a conference about that, and something's being unknown.
Well, there's a major study that was completed in 2020, and because of the pandemic, it wasn't released at the time.
It's just been released.
And it shows for disease after disease.
If you've had the vax, you're many times more liable to get the disease than if you were on vax.
I mean, it was all vax versus unvaxxed.
It was just overwhelming that the vax was bringing about you know 100 times more often outcomes that weren't occurring with the unvaxxed.
So I mean, so there's a lot going on here.
One might want to distract from.
I I think it would be 9-11, the most important.
I would think if this is a hit, I think it might be most.
I mean, that would be my best guess.
It's always I agree with you, but I always I'm also gonna bring in MIT.
Mossad is never doing anything without MIT, and vice versa.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I think the British are much dirtier than I have tended to assume, including in relation to Ukraine.
They're doing a lot of bad stuff, and uh they have yet to be exposed and held accountable.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
That's right.
I think it's the British and and and Los Angeles behind the oh, it's somebody said today, explain it to me like a five-year-old, you know.
Why is it that um I have to look up in fact tweet, but it was it was like um, why are we getting uh so upset that if Israel takes out the masterminds in Doha, right?
And my reply was because the masterminds of the October 7th false leg operation on Tel Aviv in London, you're not gonna get them in Doha, right?
You know, so that that's why people are upset.
That's why I personally am set up.
The Geneva Convention, the UN Char, everything was wrong here.
This was an outrageous act, and it shows Israel's totally lawless, they have no respect for any law, they're following a higher order, God's law, so they claim.
Sorry, not bound by any human law, but that makes them unfit for a human society, in my opinion.
They're demonstrating they are uncivilized, they're absolutely out of control, they've gone totally rogue, and unfortunately, Trump has been supporting Catherine.
See, this we have a difference here.
I I see Trump as way too deep with the Israelis and slaughtering the Palestinians.
I can't forgive that.
You know, the thing is that you see um when he was asked about it, um, I think it was today, or yesterday when he came up with that restaurant, and uh on his face, I can see that he's starting to get seriously fed up.
We had, you know, when he said uh they they have been at each other for so long, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, they uh don't know what the fuck they're doing.
That's that's one of the things when that Trump said on his way to go to the helicopter, where it was the first track in the facade.
You know, I mean, uh his son-in-law is Jewish, he has to, you know, of course make everybody in in the US government happy, most of whom have the double citizenship, right?
Uh so to keep the the beast operational, he has to handle to them.
Uh, but I think now the the cracks in the facade are showing, you know, and I think the way Trump operates, this is what I've seen so far, is that it gives people endless, you know, chances to redeem themselves, but when they continue to consistently fuck up, he just cuts them off, you know.
And I'm hoping that's what's gonna come next, you know, that the Israelis have have just crossed so many lines that he'll say, hey, you're you know, you're on your own.
You know, next time you need help, call MI6, see what the Brits can take for?
That's what I would do.
You know, I would I would I would take you know Netanyahu's number when it's calling and put an automatic forward to MI6 in London.
Bagel, you guys go with it.
You know, Trump did say in relation to the massive military parade in Beijing, which impressed the hell out of me.
I've never seen anything that formidable in terms of a military parade.
It was awesome.
That we lost uh Russia and China, Russia and India, China, because they're cooperating.
We also have the Shanghai cooperation organization.
BRICS is going.
I mean, the West, in my opinion, is crumbling.
The economically, politically, morally long since gone.
So, you know, I think everything is with China, Russia, Iran.
I mean, they are the future, as I see it.
The West is gone.
We had our opportunity.
Well, I mean, I wouldn't say that the military is that strong.
It doesn't really that that military tried to go into South Vietnam or Vietnam.
Got their ass kicked.
And they fell out.
They went in, I think, twice, as I recall.
And both times they got their ass kicked.
That's not an impressive military at all.
Yeah, but Bill, that's that's a long time ago.
And you think they're any better, they haven't had any combat experience since then.
That makes them even worse.
I think they're much better.
And Russia right now is the most formidable military force in the world.
No, they're getting their ass kicked by a third of the population in the field by the Ukrainian.
They got one third their capability, they're getting their ass kicked.
Bill, we had that difference before, don't you remember?
We got confirmation from hackers that this Ukrainian 1.7 million.
I will I will believe that when I see the the Braves and the name.
This is uh astonishing.
But I've had so many other things that they could find that people say this or that.
I I don't frankly know which one to believe.
That's why I sent all the versions I had to you, because I couldn't see or tell who's telling the truth.
And I still can.
I have the proof of it is the Russians are not moving forward and taking a lot of territory.
They're not.
They have a strategy, they're tactic, where they stay in place and let the Ukrainians keep coming in, So they decimate them.
They're decimating them.
They they are wiping out Ukraine, I guarantee you 100%.
I'm reporting on this every day.
every day.
I'm bringing in the best expert, Colonel McGregor.
I must have heard him a hundred times talking about what's going on here.
I I know both I know both of those people, I hear them say that, and I say, Well, where's the proof of that?
No, I don't see any proof at all.
I know them both.
Where's the proof?
I mean, where's the where's the beast?
You know, I'm looking for beating.
I can't find it.
Nobody has any.
It's just speculation and a bunch of comments.
Well, everybody's got body parts and comment and an opinion is a body part.
We know.
Well, here's here's the thing.
What do you believe?
I don't I get so back out.
Any military that lets any actual vital information leak out, it'll be not worth their sort.
Okay, so information fromtainment is their biggest, biggest job.
And if they leaked it out to YouTube is they would have other problems, right?
So I think you know, unless one has really proper military intelligence satellite imagery and actual, you know, actual proper professional assessment of what the fuck is going on, it's very hard to keep telling.
At the end of the day, at the end of today, what's really sad is that it doesn't really matter because both sides is always a fun invited Russell.
Both sides, Ukraine, just As much as Russia has the same central banking fiat currency as all the others.
And the saddest part is people are dying on both sides.
Yeah, people are dying on both sides, but at the end of the day, this law, like all people, are pretty much choreographed on stage.
Okay.
And because if it was a proper real rule and these countries were sovereign, they wouldn't take down monetary policy with the stuff that the size, their military power.
You wouldn't get their marching orders from the Bangkok International Receptors in Switzerland.
That they do.
They all do.
So these are not independent countries.
They are not sovereign countries.
These are puppets.
As one, you know, my favorite uh quote from MI5 and MI6 whistleblower pages was that this is an Masonic office of all of that.
People on both sides are Masons.
They are part of the same secret society.
Yeah.
I I really, really believe that.
On the um on the off chance, I'm right that the shooting at Charlie Kirk is intended to be a distraction from the 9-11 conference.
And perhaps other peripheral.
Yeah.
What's your take on 9-11?
Why would they go to such an extreme measure?
I'd like your assessment.
I mean, well, mine is out there in space, but I'm interested in yours.
Yeah, Bill, go ahead.
Well, I was gonna say, you know, there's so many things in about 9-11 that have never been answered, and they're the physics issues.
Like, how do you get melted metal, molten metal pouring out of a building from a fire in the building that never gets hot enough to melt metal?
Yeah, you know, I mean, that's pretty simple.
Yeah, and and you know and building seven fell on its I have the answer to that one.
It wasn't it wasn't a thermite grenade.
No, no, no, it was lead.
The Fiji bank had a whole bank of batteries as backup if they lost electricity, it was just lead from the batteries, which has a relatively low melting point, and they kind of colored it, laid it up.
How high up the building is molten steel uh uh or iron, which it obviously is not.
Well, they used how high up the building was the Fiji Mang thing, I don't know about this stuff was coming out of the middle of the building, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Is that where it was?
Well, there were fires there that would have been sufficient for for the batteries to melt, but Steve Jones and others and have played it up as though it were you know iron.
It is not you you're absolutely right.
The temperature wasn't remotely close enough for iron.
But but the the fact of the matter is when the when whatever you know it settled, the the uh iron gun skeleton was the only thing we found.
It's not just that iron melted, iron vaporized at the bottom that's room settled, you know, all the material had been vaporized.
So, yes, yeah, but here's the thing.
It's gonna be a distraction from the 9-11 conference if it's a false flag or not.
If it's real, it's gonna be a distracting distraction.
Yeah, yeah.
You mean the shooting, the shooting, whether it's false flag or not.
Yeah, I agree.
And and I think actually not as a reminder of, I mean, of course, for all Americans is bloody obvious that Chileani is connected to 9-11, but because I'm European, I still have to, you know, map where people were at the time.
Of course, he was the mayor, right?
But um, yes, that that actually fits this pattern even more and would also play into your reasoning that it is a distraction from 9-11.
But I think beyond that, they're moving in on time.
Well, uh, like there's a couple other things that were uh important to know about 9-11.
One, there was a uh a report generated inside NSA that was going to say they're gonna be a major attack by people, you know, and and the the twin towers was a prime target for it.
Uh that was stopped from being it.
And the same was true with the FBI, they had somebody in FDI, I forget them in Detroit area or something.
Yeah, we had information about that and wanted to send and was sending stuff in to Washington, and they they ignored that.
Well, the neocons who are very heavy in the DOD at this point, and Dick Cheney, especially, were all for it.
They were they were involved with with BBNet, yeah, and plotting the whole damn thing.
So, you know, they were gonna see that.
Yeah, 9-11 day than they excuse to do just about anything they wanted.
I I have one one little footnote.
I mean, this internal memo in NSA double stuff is super important for people to know about, but a much more tenuous yet much more revealing thing was the code name.
So you said that you ran thin to the openers so you found the code name for which the terrorists were referring to the Pentagon.
Actually, Google.
Oh, you found it with Google.
Yeah.
In the open, yeah.
It was good.
Great.
So it's all classified, we can talk about it.
Yeah, the uh thing is town center.
Those are the two towers in Washington in uh New York.
And the targets in uh Washington, we were in telling you in telling an intelligence committee where the White House and the uh Capitol building.
That's why it was law and fine arts.
Those are the two targets in Washington.
Those are the way those are the names they gave me.
Okay, so let's just recap for the average person, right?
This is in my view, hugely important, because for me that contains a lot of evidentiary, you know, trails leaks here.
So the code name for the twin towers was town center.
The code name for at the time it was meant to be the Capitol building was law.
Yep, but the code name for the White House was fine art, right?
Now, this for me, as a European is smoking gun, because nobody, they see no fucking body anywhere in the world would refer to the White House as fine arts, unless they are CIA and they give daily briefings to the president,
say, and they spend a lot of time basically waiting around in the White House in the trampy chambers looking at fine art because yes, if you've been to the White House, you see the place is full.
But unless you have physically visited the White House, you wouldn't know about it.
I'm pretty sure because you know, I know about arts and about modern, you know, like classical buildings, and that connection was never made.
So for me, that the code word was fine art, is for me personally direct proof, it was the CIA.
Well, they were involved.
The CI was in collision with Mossad and uh and MI6, please.
We we've been told all that to uh we gave a little briefing to the people in the CIA at the time, but 2002 or three, I can't remember which name.
Uh after we did our study using the open source.
And he said to us, how how do you know all this?
Now they were thinking it was only in classified.
They're in the on the web.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
By the way, if you look at the way Trump has uh remodeled the White House, there's nothing fine art about it anymore.
It's gaudy, it's all gold plated, it's really khaki, tacky.
I I should say I really love the fact that he tiled over the rose garden, having like an outdoor you know, seating area, I think that's brilliant.
That is so much more inviting, you know, for people to actually congregate with him with Scots and you know, I I thought that was brilliant.
Now I have seen the models for the ballroom, and I have I have one huge complaint.
I mean, I see what you mean about the gold and the white, but I've got an even bigger complaint, and that's the flaw.
I think the floor needs to be you know remodeled because he has black and white checkered tiling.
They actually have gold and white at the top.
Black and white checkered tiling.
Isn't that straight out of the Masonic playbook?
It is the Masonic Temple, right?
Exactly.
But the point is when you have a big thing.
The ballroom is a Masonic shrine.
Exactly.
But when you have the Masonic checkers on the floor and you have gold and white, the gold and white are the Vatican flat.
So you have Crown Corporation blasted over the whole ballroom.
Trump's addicted at gold, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he is.
But I think they need to go for the floor.
Very metal.
Yeah.
But it's it's a classical style.
I mean, hey, you know, Louis Cathos was all over it, you know.
Uh Mad King Ludwig in Munich was loved it.
Absolutely loved it.
Yeah.
Um, but it's a classical style.
So if you like the classical style, there's no way around, you know, gold and white.
However, if you make it the flag of the Vatican above, you cannot have check and floor floors.
No, no, no, no.
A mosaic of the, I don't know, the president seal, maybe, or I don't know.
A mosaic hardware flooring like they have in the Louvre.
Anything else would be a concrete floor would be better, quite frankly.
You know, but the black and white timing, no, no, I don't like it.
Since today is a tenth and tomorrow's the 11.
I'd like each of you to just explain what you think is the key to understanding 9-11.
What do you think is the most important to grasp?
What the American people understand is you, Bill Benny and Catherine Horton see it.
Bill first.
Well, my basic impression is that the military industrial complex and the deep state needed some way to, some event or something to leverage it to do just about anything they wanted to.
Thank you.
And 9-11 is a key point that they got a patriot act that they they had a secret interpretation that they said they could do anything, you know, and when they gave them the authorization to use military force, that was in a certain for a certain country.
That's what the intent was, but they applied it to the whole world.
And so that basically allowed them to do anything they wanted to anywhere and charge the American public for the price of paying for all of them.
Catherine.
My addition would be to look even more globally and to realize that 9-11, even though thousands of people died at 9-11, it was a false flag operation, and they are much bigger false flag operations.
Wars have been false flag operations for a long time.
Not staged and fake.
Many people died just like at 9-11.
But if we zoom out and realize that 9-11 wasn't important, but only one stepping stone on the way to damnation.
There are many other events that people died.
You know, the current war in Ukraine is a stepping stone, and how many hundreds of thousands of millions died?
What's the tell you?
I don't really know.
So it is extremely important to understand 9-11.
But the biggest takeaway from that would be the leads to, you know, Mossads to the CIA and to British intelligence.
And of course, it was used at Josephai taking out the governments of seven countries in the next five years to remote the Greater Israel project.
Well, with a fall of Syria, which is now led by former IDF.
What could be more ideal from the point of view of BB Naniahu?
Only Iran remains.
Still, they want to finish a project.
And they do want from the Euphrates to the Nile, all to be the greater Israel.
And they're unrelenting, they're unrelenting.
I I am so embarrassed that Donald Trump has anything to do with the slaughter in in Gaza.
I can't begin to tell you.
Broke my heart.
The confidence I had in the guy, I voted for him three times.
Completely completely shattered.
I'd leave final thoughts to each of you, Bill for his final thought.
Well, I just still think we're in a hell of a mess and the deep state is still functioning and it's not been stopped any way that I can see.
And so we're going to continue.
My view is that the Charlie Kirk thing is, I mean, as of now I think it was real, and it's a stepping stone on the deep state moving on in on Trump and Sandwich.
So for me, it's a great fall.
I'll be working flat out from today onwards to try to get through to Trump and his Secret Service Director and the Cash Patel and Tulsi Gavin, I guess.
Well, I treasure these weekly conversations, and I always learn from you both.
This has been a joy for me.
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