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The Raw Deal (8 September 2025) with co-host Joe Olson and special guest James from Vancouver

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	I need somebody, not just anybody.
	You know I need someone Younger than two days Helping, not so self-assure Now find the gentleman.
	I'll open up the doors.
	Help me if you can.
	I'm feeling down.
	And I do appreciate you being around.
	Help me get my feet back on the ground.
	Won't you please please help me?
	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B this eighth day of September 2025.
	Joined by co-host Joe Wolson, who has a vast background in engineering and is an expert in the use of nukes on 9-11 and a return engagement with James from Vancouver, where technical issues cause problems on Friday.
	I want to bring James back and for us all to discuss why it's increasingly obvious to me that Judy Woods do theory is a crock, that she's pulled the wool over a lot of people's eyes, that she sold a lot of books for a theory that cannot possibly be true.
	Meanwhile, our first segment, we're going to begin with some recent developments, one of which is rather startling, namely Alex Jones,
	who arguably has the largest audience in American television or internet history, has had a complete meltdown on air when Owen Schroyer,
	one of his co-hosts, resigned, left InfoWars in disgust, claiming that Alex had told them to go easy on Israel and on Donald Trump.
	You can imagine why that might be upsetting.
	So let's take a look at a bit of Alex here.
	You are going to be very surprised.
	This common drink may be the fastest solution to eliminate the parasite behind diabetes.
	This common drink may be the fastest solution to eliminate the parasite behind type 2 diabetes.
	The truth is.
	And then all the articles come out and Jones censored Schroyer on Trump criticism and Israel.
	So let's see if Schroyer comes out and apologizes for you.
	Oh, no, he's going to say, I didn't really exactly say that.
	No, no, you couched each statement perfectly thought out.
	And looking down at your notes, to be able to lie about us and try to hurt this organization for your benefit so you can be a hero.
	You are a snake.
	You are a rat.
	You are a fraud.
	You are a backstabber.
	You are a handbiter.
	You are a disgrace.
	And let me say something else about you.
	Even before he went to prison for four months, and we did the crowdfunding raise, fought everything for him, all that, he stopped talking to the crew very much and didn't have a good attitude, was pissed off all the time.
	And then it got to where he wouldn't, he'd show up right before the show, wouldn't even talk to the crew.
	He'd he'd walk by me and say something like, you know, start laughing at me.
	Like, again, I'm not in junior high, so it didn't hurt me at that level.
	It hurt me that he was just like, Yeah, yes.
	Oh, and we can go further.
	When The Onion backed by Bloomberg did the fraudulent auction and got caught in all of that back in November on November 13th, and I said, We're not leaving.
	This is a fraud.
	I'm filing emergency motion.
	The judge found it to be a fraud.
	Had a two-day hearing on all that.
	Owen just left and just called the producer and said, I'm done.
	I quit.
	Even though we have a backup studio, I told everybody, Hey, it's going to be fine.
	We have new backers, all this stuff we can shut down.
	He's like, I'm gone.
	Starts announcing, is this the time?
	Because it was me to shut down.
	He thinks, announced his new network and funding and all this stuff.
	And then we're back the next day.
	And Owen just shows back up and does his show and walks in and just looks-I mean, looks at me with hatred and like slinks in there.
	Just because he really wanted me to fire him so he could be a victim.
	And I, and I, I confided just a few of the producers.
	I said, he wants to be a victim.
	I said, I'm going to tap love and say prayers for him and he gets better.
	I'll be really nice to him, give him extra bonuses.
	Maybe he'll pull out of it.
	I tried to talk to him.
	He's never wanted to talk to me.
	And I said, but I said, he's going to stab me in the back.
	He's a new person.
	And I don't know if it's his personal life.
	I don't know if it's stuff he's smoking.
	But I've seen a lot of people get paranoid, you know, the smoke pot and go nuts.
	But I mean, I can just tell you this right now: that I'm not here to be shit on or stabbed in the back.
	This crew isn't your punching bag.
	And we did nothing to you but be loyal.
	And your little five-hour extravaganza of little puppy dog that doesn't know why.
	And he just wanted to come back and shake my hand and be nice.
	And then I kind of censored him and said, no, you don't need to host your show.
	You want to hear what he said in the phone call to me?
	I didn't record it.
	I was in the pool with my eight-year-old daughter playing with her Barbie dolls at whatever it was, four o'clock yesterday.
	You know, a rare day.
	I actually only came in and worked the office about four hours.
	So I go back.
	She's literally calling me.
	Daddy, you're supposed to be home.
	You said to be home at 10.
	I want to play in the yard.
	So I'm sitting there about four o'clock, bobbing around, and I get a text message.
	Hey, I'll see you at 10 a.m. tomorrow.
	Because remember, I called him Thursday when he just got up and left.
	I said, hey, what's wrong?
	And he's like, Monday.
	I mean, because he's the commander.
	And I, and so I sent him a few texts later.
	I said, hey, can we talk now?
	Ignores me.
	So Monday rolls around, talk 10 a.m. tomorrow.
	I got the text right here.
	And I'm like, oh, that's kind of late, maybe 9:30, whichever.
	I said, how about we just talk right now?
	Because I go, it's pretty clear you're about to quit.
	He goes, you really want to do this right now?
	I said, yeah.
	So he calls up.
	And while I'm calling him, he calls me.
	So I pick it up and he starts talking to me like he's literally a pimp and I am a crackhorr.
	He's like, here's how it's going to be.
	I'm leaving.
	And blah, blah, blah.
	Well, what's the problem?
	What's the thing?
	Well, what can we do?
	I mean, you know, I don't understand.
	He's like, well, it's just going on too long and whatever.
	But I'll tell you this: if you're really desperate, if you're really desperate, you can pay me more money.
	But I'll tell you this.
	I'm going to promote my new show on Infowars.
	And I went, which again, I'm not even against him having a sellout.
	He was nice.
	I was just like, it was just kind of like, I was like, well, yeah, I said, you know, in the bankruptcy stuff, I can't really give you a raise.
	But I said, that's okay, Owen.
	He goes, well, you know what?
	You know, it's a favor for you.
	I'll come in and do a week.
	I'm like, I'll tell you, this is so bizarre.
	And actually, there's more to it than that.
	I mean, he goes on virtually hysterical, which I'm having a hard time interpreting as anything other than consciousness of guilt.
	And he knows he's been a shill or a cover for Israel, that he's been too kind to Donald Trump and supporting the genocide.
	It's been a long time concern of mine that Alex was, you know, deliberately ignoring Israel as a subject when it should be on the front burner.
	Joe, what's your take?
	What's going on here?
	Yeah, well, I saw Alex Jones in May of 2009.
	He was the first one to publish one of my major articles about climate in April of 2009.
	And it's a favor to him.
	And also because I was curious about what was going on with 911.
	I went up there to see the DVD premiere with Richard Gage, four-hour-long DVD.
	I got there an hour early, so I spent five hours up there.
	He just came in, blasted for about 45 minutes, and then left.
	So there was never any way to have contact with him.
	But I saw him at a whole bunch of medical freedom rallies and actually got a chance to talk to him a little bit.
	And I talked to Owen Schroeder quite a bit.
	He's a very mercur person.
	He's very tough on all of his staff.
	And he's hired and fired some of the best people around.
	David Knight, Aaron and Melissa Dykes, and Greg Rees.
	And all of them have set up their own individual channels.
	And there's more than that.
	There's a whole bunch more that were able to work with him for three or four years.
	And then it was just like they couldn't handle him anymore.
	And as far as everything he said about Owen, every bit of that applies to Trump and to Israel.
	Every one of those nasty, horrible things you said about backstabbing and traitors and all that crap.
	That's exactly the way Trump and Israel have treated America.
	So look in the mirror.
	You're being a shield.
	Alex is being a shield for the powers that be instead of being what he was originally set out to be.
	Nicely said, Joe.
	Excellent.
	James, your thoughts?
	I stopped listening to Alex in 2020 during the COVID issue because my attitude was, my observation actually was there was no COVID virus at all.
	And he had a couple of guests on his show that tried to, I would say, stampede the audience into believing that this COVID was going to multiply geometrically.
	And this one particular guy said, I'm a scientist and I know how this works.
	And then he went through two, four, eight, 16, you know, geometrical progression.
	And I shook my head and said, I even messaged their outfit and said, this is, you're stampeding the audience and your buddy should be shut down.
	So that was one of the things that turned me off from the show.
	And I found another network that actually would take my calls and would let me express myself.
	So, but actually, I kind of like Alex in a way.
	He's got an attitude.
	And I just I'm not surprised about this Owen Schroer thing.
	And it's a little bit like WWE.
	So back to you guys.
	You mean Worldwide Wrestling?
	Is that Europe?
	Of course.
	Vince McMahon and the boys, right?
	And Donald Trump has been on Vince McMcMahon's show.
	Actually, I think he wrestled with Vince.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And I think it was Butler similarly.
	He was showing his burnishing his Screen Actor Guild credits.
	Yeah, great ratings.
	To me, if there were nothing to it, Alex Otta just shrugged it off and said, well, I'm sorry that we're losing.
	Yeah.
	So we're, but we have some differences, and I wish him well.
	And it's going on in the area like this, and he goes on for like an hour.
	I mean, there's an hour absolutely over the top.
	All kinds of profane bombs right and left.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Because he's under pressure.
	He's under pressure.
	A lot of them are under pressure.
	I believe they've made their deal with the devil and they've got to bring home the bacon.
	Yeah, it's pretty damn disturbing.
	And Alex does have this enormous audience.
	The latest from Colonel McGregor, Russia's largest attack on Ukraine, Europe continues to seek Russia's defeat.
	mcgregor
	We can't just view what's happening in Ukraine in isolation of what's happening in Western Europe.
	We know that Starmer, the Prime Minister of Great Britain, is in a lot of trouble.
	He's clinging very precariously to power right now.
	The population, let's face it, is practically in rebellion against a government and a state that is determined to destroy them in favor of recently arrived immigrants who, frankly, aren't British, don't want to be British, will never be British.
	And that's not going to work very well.
	The situation in France is at least as bad, in some ways worse.
	Both Britain and France are practically insolvent.
	I don't see how they're going to sustain themselves too much longer financially.
	And then you're bringing in people like Tusk from Poland.
	Tusk is a globalist, just like Macron and Stormer.
	And then, of course, von der Leyen is absolutely indistinguishable from Klaus Schwab or Larry Fink.
	These are the people that want the giant surveillance state to make sure that you and I express the right opinions.
	And anybody that raises objections to what any of these globalists want to do inside our countries is deemed to be an extremist.
	And any form of speech that deviates from their wishes is extreme speech and has to be suppressed.
	So let's look at the catastrophic conditions, in my judgment, that you have in Europe.
	Now the people that are responsible for these catastrophic decisions or conditions and are ultimately going to be removed by them are the ones that are saying, well, we have to go forward and win the war in Ukraine, which is not just a contradiction.
	It's absurd.
	There is no chance whatsoever for this Ukrainian regime in Kiev to field any sort of force that is capable of defeating the Russians.
	And the Russians have made their case.
	They have tried to outline their legitimate security interests, and at every turn, they've been rejected.
	We just don't listen to them.
	Trump went to Alaska and apparently either didn't understand what he was being told or just decided he didn't like it.
	So the other thing that's happening, in addition to the slow sort of disintegration of the West European governments that I mentioned, is that the world is dividing into two hemispheres.
	Now, one hemisphere, which is the hemisphere you and I live in, plus Europe, seems to be determined, and I'm talking largely about North America, seems to be determined to live in isolation from the rest of the world.
	And the rest of the world has said, fine, we'll live in isolation from you.
	We'll build our own parallel institutions, our own alternative to the SWIFT system, which the Chinese have created and to all reports seems to work better than our own.
	And by the way, our money is going to be meaningful because it's going to be backed by gold and potentially other commodities.
	In the meantime, we're sitting here on a ticking time bomb, a $9 trillion bill that has to be paid off at the end of the year, or we face default.
	This is interest on our wonderful sovereign national debt that we can't retire.
	So this division into two worlds is probably now unavoidable and permanent.
	So we're not really talking to the people on the other side.
	We're not talking to China.
	We're not talking to Beijing or Moscow.
	We're not talking to anybody in Tehran.
	We're not talking to anybody in Delhi anymore.
	We're talking to ourselves.
	And we're quite convinced that we're right.
	Everyone else is wrong.
	And everyone else should do what we tell them to do.
	It's almost Kafka-esque.
	The body scanner reveals the brutal truth about your body that your regular almost Kafka-esque Joe, your thoughts about what the colonel has described and other aspects of the Ukraine-Russia situation.
	Now, Russia's got a new plant that's producing a thousand drones a day.
	And on Sunday, they launched over 800 drones in their special military operation.
	And the reports from Ukraine were that what hit their government building was actually a drone that was flying at another target and was hit by one of their air defense systems and it accidentally fell on that building because Russia has been very meticulous about not hitting any of the government buildings inside Kiev because those were buildings that were built by the Soviets that were occupied by Russian-speaking people.
	Even Ziolinsky himself speaks Russian better than he speaks Ukrainian.
	And so bottom line is They have the potential of taking over that territory.
	And if not, at least being friends with it.
	So they don't want to completely destroy everything other than what's military necessary.
	They've still left trains operational, airports operational that have military value, bridges that they've not been blowing up just because they want to give them the opportunity to be able to retreat.
	Number one, number two, they want to exhaust all the material from NATO, which they are completely disarming.
	And they want to wear down the Azov portion of the Ukrainian population so that they are not a future threat.
	And they want to make sure that NATO is not in a position to be able to revolt against them again.
	So that's what Russia is actually up to.
	And so the building being hit is no significance as far as I'm concerned.
	James.
	I think what we have in the Ukraine is just like Vietnam, it's a quagmire.
	And we've dumped a lot of men, materiel, money, and we come up with nothing.
	Now, since I spoke to you on Friday last, I watched the one-hour parade in Beijing, hosted, of course, by Xi Jinping.
	And there was Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un giving each other huggy bears, hugging each other.
	Ostensibly, Vladimir Putin is a Christian.
	Kim Jong-un is not, obviously, Xi Jinping is not a Christian, but you've got two non-Christians and a Christian making a deal to support their situation.
	And from, of course, the fantastic discipline shown by the Chinese PLA, I believe that should push come to shove.
	Definitely the PLA will have to have to crawl on their bellies, like I said on Friday, across Pakistan to get to Iran and definitely are going to get involved if NATO and Europe push too much on the Ukraine.
	So it looks to me like a Waterloo is coming or a little bighorn or what have you.
	We just don't have the men to get in there and do the job.
	But China, North Korea, and Russia do have that.
	Back to you guys.
	I love you're picking up on that military parade.
	Now, I spent four years of commissioned officer in the Marine Corps, including a year in the recruit depot in San Diego with 15 DIs and 300 recruits under my command going through the training cycle.
	Yes.
	Instilling discipline.
	And I'm telling you, what I saw in Beijing was awesome.
	Awesome.
	I have never seen such a highly disciplined military organization ever.
	Some that come close.
	The Third Reich came close very comparable.
	There are times when the Soviet Union had military forces.
	These guys, I mean, by the hundreds of thousands, they were so disciplined.
	They were so exactly at lockstep.
	Every motion, every gesture, every look was exactly by the book.
	I was blown away.
	Honest to God, I've never seen such an awesome display.
	And the Wehrmacht would have definitely nodded their heads in approval.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Hitler would have admired this.
	Well, I was just absolutely astonished.
	Napoleon would have been blown away.
	I'm telling you, all in the writings on the wall.
	The writing's on the wall, I think.
	Joe, further thoughts of yours tying in with the Chinese military prowess.
	And of course, they have new advanced jet fighters.
	They've given Iran has bought 40 of them.
	Iran now has new anti-aircraft defense systems, as McGregor in earlier reports has observed.
	Iran is now overwhelmingly better prepared to defend against another attack by the U.S. and Israel.
	Joe, do you, you know, Joe?
	Yeah, okay.
	Um, yeah, they were celebrating the victory of Japan, who was still occupying and hadn't surrendered their troops in northern China up until September 8th, whenever it was that they had their little parade.
	And it was a marvelous parade, absolutely stunning.
	But the problem we've got is that we're trying to develop this Western Pacific alliance against China so we can defend Taiwan.
	And we're counting on Australia, which has almost nobody, Philippines, which has almost nobody.
	South Korea, which realizes they've been played by us, and their border with North Korea is subject to problems.
	And then Japan.
	And Japan invaded China in 1937.
	They committed atrocities beyond imagination.
	They massacred at least a million, probably 2 million people in China before the war even got started.
	And one of the books I read was Flyboys by James Brady.
	And he said that in the war crimes trial at the end of World War II, there was over 200,000 documented cases of cannibalism by the Japanese army in every theater.
	They sent ammo and weapons, but they didn't, and fuel, but they didn't have the ability to provide food.
	So they said, live off the land.
	And if living off the land was eating everything that the peasants were able to grow, and then you bandheaded them, and then you had plenty of babies to eat.
	They did that everywhere.
	Pacific Islands and Guadalcanal.
	There was 1,500 natives on the island.
	It was 2,500 square miles.
	They had 40,000 Japanese troops on the south end of the island.
	And the Americans were on the north end at Henderson Field.
	And the Japanese would capture natives and they would cut one leg off, tie it with a tourniquet, and they would have a leg one day.
	They'd have the next leg the next day.
	And then the next day, they'd have the rest of the body.
	And all of the bones, you're welcome information, my friend.
	Love it, love it, love it.
	We'll be right back after this break, taking a closer look at certain aspects of 9-11 that you may find very surprising indeed.
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	And now we return you to your host.
	Just a few words by way of preface.
	Dean Ryan of RealDealMedia.tv had the inspiration of orchestrating a debate between Richard Gage, who is the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth, and myself, founder of Scholars for 9-11 Truth.
	I founded Scholars in December 2005, Richard.
	Architects and Engineers, I think around mid-2006.
	Architects and Engineers has focused on physical aspects of the New York destruction of Building 7, especially in the Twin Towers.
	They don't address who is responsible and why, for which I appauled them because absent the political context, debates about technically how the Twin Towers were destroyed look like so much mishmash, unimportant techno-babble to the average American.
	So you need that framework, that context to understand.
	He would have liked to have included Judy Wood in her directed energy weapon alternative because Richard advocates the use of nanothermite, which is an incendiary combined with conventional explosive to have done the job.
	I advocate the use of mini nukes.
	Judy directed Energy Weapons, and she has been very reluctant.
	Anyone who tries to reach her to ask a question, the first question she asks, have you bought my book?
	And if they haven't bought her book, she won't talk to them.
	She'll say, well, you buy the book and you show me the receipt for the sale and then I'll talk to you, which I find unbelievably inexcusable.
	She also has been very, in my opinion, unscientific in responding to points I've made about the U.S. Geological Survey, where before the Vancouver hearings in 2012, I posted a five-star review of Judy's book.
	I said, I thought it was just an astounding collection of photographs, diagrams, records, reports.
	But that while she had excluded the use of big nukes, you know, that would have had a giant mushroom cloud and all that.
	She had not, in my opinion, eliminated the possible use of small nukes or mini nukes.
	So we held the conference.
	I'd invited Judy to speak.
	She, her colleague, John Hutchison, had actually already agreed.
	And Crockett Grable, I believe his name, a physicist also on Judy's side, had also agreed to speak because I wanted to represent all points of view in Vancouver.
	But Judy put the quietness to it.
	She quashed it.
	She wouldn't allow Crockett or John to participate.
	In any case, I published a five-star review before the conference when I returned.
	And Jeff Prager, among others, had presented a lot of additional evidence that it had been a nuclear event.
	I found that there had been 2,000 attacks on my review.
	2,000 attacks on my review.
	Judy has a Praetorian guard to go after anyone who has the least doubts about her word.
	It's forced me to conclude it's a cult.
	They have a sacred text.
	Where do the towers go, Judy's book?
	They have a mystical leader, Judy Wood herself.
	They have a Praetorian guard.
	There's a guy named Thomas Potter, Andrew Johnson, others, who will viciously attack anyone who deviates in the least.
	I mean, it's a heresy.
	It's a heresy to question Judy Wood.
	So I figured, well, you know, that five stars, I really ought not to stand for that.
	So I revised it down to three stars.
	And I added about the U.S. Geological Survey, how their study of dust samples from 35 locations in lower Manhattan had revealed elements that would not have been there had this not been a nuclear event.
	Strontium, lanthanum, lithium, tritium, some of which only exist in radioactive form.
	So I published the revised three-star review, and lo and behold, I think it was maybe a week later I took a look.
	There were over 7,000 attacks on my revised review.
	7,000.
	In fact, it was so bad I couldn't even open it.
	I couldn't even open it.
	It was too many.
	And in fact, I think this is a point at which Amazon decided they could no longer allow reviews of reviews.
	So they cut it off.
	Judy has been very nasty to me.
	She created the image of a cloud clown.
	She put the name Fetzer on it.
	She took the photograph of a three-star Army general and put my face on it.
	I mean, some of these were amusing, but it just reflects her character.
	So, that you know, Dean, I explained to him that Judy wouldn't even respond.
	But I think now there are deeper reasons why Judy really doesn't want to engage in debate than we're going to discuss today, because I'm relatively convinced now the whole idea of using directed energy weapons was a gigantic scam.
	I have believed for a very long time that both architects and engineers and Judy Wood were running limited hangouts because she too won't talk about who is responsible and why.
	In fact, Judy has repeatedly said we cannot begin to address who is responsible and why until we know exactly how it was done, as though we couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time.
	It was an absurd position.
	But now, James has encouraged thinking about the Twin Towers as Faraday cages.
	If they're Faraday cages, and they do appear to be, then it's impossible that Judy Wood could have been correct.
	But I'm going to make other points.
	We had the conversion of those buildings into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, completely enveloping lower New York.
	And it turns out that the conversion of materials into very fine dust is a signature of the use of nuclear devices.
	Judy, when you think back upon it, and see, I was so open to her in the beginning in the old days.
	I began interviewing her in November of 2006 on my then-radio shows.
	I interviewed her not once, not twice, 15 times.
	And I was pioneering interaction between the radio and the computer.
	So we'd have the audience go to Judy's webpage and then we'd pick up parts of it and we discuss it.
	I was a big fan.
	I thought it was far more defensible and interesting than nanothermite, where I would eventually publish three articles with T. Mark Hightower, who's a chemical engineer, explaining how nanothermite is a feeble explosive.
	It only has 1/13th the explosive force at TNT, which is the universal standard.
	All amounts of explosion are measured in terms of TNT tons at TNT kilotons and so forth.
	And that if you were going to undertake a demolition job, why would you use nanothermite when you need 13 times as much to perform the equivalent of TNT?
	I mean, it was an absurd idea.
	We got this guy, Niels Herron, an associate professor of chemistry from the University of Copenhagen, an advocate of nanothermite, who on one occasion, when asked how much nanothermite it would take to destroy a Twin Tower, said 29,000 metric tons, 29,000 metric tons.
	I'm just thinking the absurdity of it all.
	That would be like filling the Twin Tower with circus peanuts.
	I mean, it's just absurd.
	In my opinion, it's a reductio.
	But Richard Gage continues to insist.
	He says, yes, it may be true that as Jim and Mark Hightower explain, that the detonation velocity of an explosion required to destroy concrete is 3,200 meters per second.
	That the detonation velocity of an explosive to destroy steel is 6,100 meters per second, and that the detonation velocity of nanothermite is 895 meters per second.
	I mean, it's a joke.
	You can't get there from there.
	So, Richard wants arguments the intent heat.
	And yes, it does generate intense heat up to 3,000, maybe higher degrees Fahrenheit.
	Anyone who claims that explains it all, but really it's a desperate last gasp, in my opinion.
	Joe, you're so good on so many of these issues.
	Just respond to this preliminary sketch and add what you'd like to it.
	Yeah, in their own booklet, Beyond Misinformation, which I picked up one of their DVD premieres here in Houston.
	It says, quoting from NIST, while I'm looking for that, I will go ahead and send my comments on Judy.
	I had seen a bunch of your interviews with her.
	Joe, you're talking about architects and engineers having a pamphlet, right?
	Right, right.
	And they had it at one of their programs.
	But I had seen the interviews with Judy.
	I spent a whole day reading everything that she had posted at her website.
	And then I watched about a dozen of her interviews, and most of them were like two-hour interviews.
	So I'd spent about a week before I decided to contact her, call her on the phone, and ask her, you know, I have a couple of questions.
	I'm a fellow engineer.
	And she said, well, you got to buy my book.
	So that's where that came from, along with I'm sure she said the same thing to others.
	But this is from Beyond Misinformation, which I picked up at one of the DVD premieres here in Houston.
	And I had dinner with Richard Gage after both, after two of the ones that he attended here in Houston.
	But it says, this is from FEMA.
	Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials.
	It takes 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius to make it melt.
	Many thousands of pounds of thermite would have been needed to be placed inconspicuously ahead of time.
	And this makes the unlikely substance for achieving controlled demolition.
	And that is one of the things that FEMA actually got right because I've checked the information on that.
	And that's exactly right.
	And the thing is, with thermite, it's ignited by a magnesium fuse, which burns at 3,000 degrees.
	And those are really fickle things.
	And even when they're trying to do demolitions where they do use thermite to do cutting so that they can do shaped charges and drop the building like the columns that are cut at a 45 degree angle, those charges are unpredictable.
	And a lot of times, those are the ones that fail.
	So to be able to simultaneously put off 100,000 charges inside each one of those three buildings and have them all go off flawlessly on one day is absolutely preposterous because World Trade Center 7 was about 90% occupied and both of the twin towers were about 50% occupied.
	So how in the hell would you be able to get into all those office spaces and install all that amount of thermite and have nobody notice what was going on?
	Absolutely preposterous.
	James, your preliminary thoughts.
	Interestingly enough, a radio station yesterday played your interview with Judy Woods, the dynamic duo done years ago, I guess.
	Yeah.
	And I listened to most of the interview.
	And, of course, what happened when the towers came down was you had this tremendous, I believe, sublimation of turning a solid into a gas or, like you say, particulate structure, atomic structure, and instead of the whole mass falling down, it actually rose in the sky, so that after the whole event was over,
	there was no rubble like there was supposed to have been, there was no seismic event, the bathtub like you talked about had not been destroyed.
	You see, the only thing that can do that and I go back to my second year uh, thermodynamics course uh, is you got to have a million degrees kelvin to atomize, uh that material in order to get it to fly away like a bird.
	And the only way you're going to get a million degrees kelvin is with a nuclear weapon.
	You cannot get.
	I did the calculation for nitro.
	Nitro has a muzzle velocity of about 7200, I think, meters per second and when you do the calculation you get a temperature of about 41 000 degrees kelvin, not enough.
	But if you take a one mev neutron, it has a muzzle velocity of 14 000 kilometers a second, 5 percent the speed of light.
	With that kinetic energy you get um, I worked it out, I think it's 50 billion degrees kelvin, you more than enough to give you your million degrees, I believe, at a fireball one meter away from the source of the nuclear weapon when it goes off is about a million degrees kelvin.
	See, that's a rough calculation.
	Now, getting back to why the towers and everything, everything was carved out so well, was that what they used was a nuclear device that was more specific with neutrons than it was a conventional fission bomb, which gives you explosive pressure.
	They didn't want that.
	What they wanted to do was simply convert the concrete and the steel in a millisecond into a gaseous state.
	See now, with a neutron bomb you can do that, and I looked up more things about the neutron weapons yesterday.
	And they do they're.
	They're good for about a thousand yards, or much less distance than a conventional nuke.
	So it was a, it was the nuclear weapon, or many nuclear weapons.
	Maybe they had one on each floor, I don't know.
	It's possible.
	You have 110 floors, you could have 110 mini nukes, and that's how It came down.
	And in your talk with Judy, you see, you talked about that thing coming down.
	And then you got the spray at 45 degrees, right?
	Pressure from inside, powder coming outside.
	And then you've got for thousands of feet all around, you have this powder.
	Now, if you've ever seen a nitro go off, okay, it goes bang, but it comes down, see, and that's because when you look at the velocity of nitro at 7,200 meters per second, the escape velocity to get off the earth is 12,000 something meters per second.
	So nitro won't give you the escape velocity you need, you see.
	But the one MeV or five MeV neutrons hitting that material, see, at 14,000 kilometers a second, way above the escape velocity to get out of the Earth to get to get into orbit.
	For example, when the nuclear weapon goes off, the neutrons are so fast that we're right up into the universe.
	They're not going to come down, which is what a nitro explosion will do.
	It'll come down because it doesn't have the velocity to get up in an orbit.
	See, it doesn't have enough escape velocity.
	See?
	So the nuke is definitely where we're going here because the nuclear weapon, it has the escape velocity.
	See, this is absolutely fascinating, James.
	And that Judy has dug up one of those.
	I told you, 15 interviews I did, those were all before the Vancouver hearings.
	Yeah.
	2012.
	So no doubt, you know, at the time I was enthusiastic.
	I thought she was the cat's meow.
	So they're clearly trying to imply that I'm on board with Judy as though my research ended when we ceased to do our interviews.
	But I've learned so much more now.
	It's a function of rationality and of scientific reasoning that when you acquire additional alternative hypotheses and new evidence, you may have to reject hypotheses.
	You previously accepted, accept hypotheses, you previously rejected and leave others in suspense.
	That's how they were playing it, no doubt, James, right?
	That here I was enthusiastic for Judy then.
	So what's going on now?
	Is that it?
	Well, the second point I could make is what is the device that produces these energy weapons?
	What is the device?
	That's never been outlined as far as I can see that has any, you know, in other words, I know how to take the electrons out of steel.
	I can do that.
	John Hutchinson can do that.
	I know how to do that.
	But that's got to be done from inside the building.
	If you're going to take all the electrons out of steel at one moment, right?
	And that's what he does.
	That's the Hutchison effect, right?
	But that can't touch the electrons in the concrete because there's no free electrons in concrete like there is in steel.
	So you can't use a directed energy weapon to vaporize concrete, but you can do it with neutrons, see, because you've got that equation.
	The kinetic energy of a moving body is related and it's directly proportional to its temperature in degrees, Kelvin.
	And the proportionality constant is Boltzmann's constant.
	Fundamental law of kinetic theory of gases, which is valid for these temperatures.
	See?
	Oh, I love this, James.
	I love this.
	Joe, is it textbook physics?
	Textbook.
	Textbook.
	I'm so pleased.
	Joe, your further thoughts.
	Yeah, well, like I said, I didn't make any public statements until March 16th, 2015.
	And this was after Veterans Today had run two dozen articles on nuclear education.
	And I got a real education reading those things.
	It would take me at least an hour to be able to sort through the concepts that they were providing and understand everything.
	And then sometimes some little extra research.
	And so when I interviewed James, we did an interview on YouTube called Unequivocal 911 Nukes.
	And that lasted until he got involved with Sandy Hook, at which point YouTube took down every one of his videos, which at that point included about a dozen interviews with Jim and I on World Trade Center stuff.
	So after I was getting ready to do my third interview with Coast to Coast AM, I thought, well, it's getting close to 911.
	Maybe we could discuss that.
	So I wrote an article called Unequivocal 911 Nukes.
	It was published at Veterans Today, and I sent it to Coast to Coast.
	And they said, oh, we're not interested in doing that.
	Do another climate program.
	It's okay, fine with me.
	So after I had it published at Veterans Today, one of my readers contacted me and said, you need to read the Palmer report.
	That was posted at Veterans Today as Breathtaking Solving Nuclear 911.
	But the problem was this was produced by four physicists that didn't know anything about construction.
	Number one, number two, they were very unaware of nuclear isotopes.
	And so I wrote an additional article that was published at Veterans Today called Exposing the NIST Jenga Game.
	And here's some basic facts that you need to know.
	When you have a nuclear explosion, you have alpha rays, which are two protons and two neutrons, which is actually helium-4, which moves at 7% of the speed of light.
	You have beta rays, which are electrons or positron nuclides, which move at 1,000, I mean, 167,700 miles per second.
	And then you have gamma rays, which are the highest level EMR photons.
	So, and then when you have a building that's built out of steel and concrete, that's your major building components.
	Steel is made out of carbon and iron.
	And concrete is made out of carbon, calcium, and silicon.
	Well, here's what you have.
	They mentioned in breathtaking that iron had four stable isotopes, but they didn't mention anything else about that.
	So I said, well, if it's got four stable, how many radioactive isotopes does it have?
	Oh, 24.
	How about carbon?
	Two stable, 13 radioactive.
	How about calcium?
	5 stable, 21 radioactive.
	How about silicon?
	3 stable, 20 radioactive.
	Then you've also got gypsum inside the building.
	Gypsum is calcium sulfur dioxide.
	Sulfur has four stable 19 radioactives.
	Calcium, I mean, sodium has one.
	Oh, this is for granted.
	Oh, so that sodium has the same calcium.
	And so the only difference is sulfur, but it has the same as we mentioned previously with the calcium and the and the oxygen.
	Okay, so so bottom line is you end up with having 150 available isotopes to create radioactive material just with the stuff that's in the building from a bomb.
	And the bomb was a plasma bunker buster bomb planted on the bedrock underneath the building.
	The bedrock acts as a lens and a tamper.
	So it forced all of the energy up through the building and it simultaneously melted holes underneath the buildings, which is what the building material fell into, which is easily visible in the photos that are in the breathtaking article on the Palmer report.
	So bottom line is this is exactly what happened.
	And I've got far more detail that we're going to get into when I'm in a better position rather than the front seat of my car on Thursday night when we do another interview, two hours with Dean Ryan.
	And I watched Gates' interview and I watched Fetzer's interview and then I watched the two of them debate.
	And I took notes on all this and I'm ready to clean Richard's clock on this.
	He sucked absolutely all the oxygen out of this debate with his stupid nanothermite thing.
	And he never in his whole life had a class in chemistry, physics, or thermodynamics or structural engineering or any of the things that are necessary to understand this.
	And he refuses to talk to anybody that does because he is 100% control opposition.
	Well, I'm a little kinder to Richard.
	I think that, you know, bringing all that attention to Building 7, which truly is a killing.
	You see, all the sense that was not included in the original 9-11 Commission report.
	It was never hit by any plane, had only very modest fires, could not possibly have collapsed due to fire.
	No steel structure high-rise has ever collapsed due to fire.
	They have some that have burned ferociously for days and never collapsed.
	So the whole idea of fire being instrumental in bringing down these buildings is a manifest absurdity.
	James, a few comments on Joe's comments, yours.
	Yeah, I understand.
	I think that one of the things I heard in the interview you did with Judy was, and maybe I heard this incorrectly, but the sound of the nuclear weapon, there was no sound.
	Well, if it was a neutron type weapon, that is to say, like a neutron bomb, you wouldn't hear the sound.
	The neutrons, what they do is they hit hydrogen.
	they transfer their energy to hydrogen atoms with 100% efficiency.
	So having, doing that would definitely...
	Hold that thought, hold that thought.
	Okay.
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	Well, before James continues his explanation of why the argument about not hearing the sound of a nuke is not a valid argument, let me give a little visual context.
	There are many who use the word controlled demolition for what happened to the Twin Towers as well as Wielding Safan.
	But what they're talking about there or the word collapse.
	I mean, how many times have we heard the word collapse?
	We just happened to have the Harley guy there right on 9-11 when everyone was scratching their head to rush up and say, oh, well, what must have happened was the intense fire from the jet fuel caused the steel to weaken and it brought about a collapse of a higher to a lower that brought the buildings down.
	That was the first story they got out there.
	Clearly, propaganda was all staged.
	He was standing by, ready to lever his spiel.
	Now, when you have a controlled demolition, all the floors come down at the same time.
	There's no blowing apart in every direction.
	They just all come down at the same time.
	And when it's over, you got a pile of degree equal to about 12% of the original height.
	That was 47 floors for building seven, five and a half floors.
	It was there.
	In the case of the Twin Towers, however, the floors are remaining stationary.
	They're not going anywhere.
	Instead, you have the building blowing apart in every direction from the top down, which required an enormous source of energy.
	That's what we witnessed.
	Thus, using the term controlled demolition or even the term collapse, while it's appropriate for building seven, is completely inappropriate for the Twin Towers.
	And it's part of the social psychology, part of the propaganda technique that the word collapse was used over and over and over and over again.
	They're pounding it home.
	They understand the principles of social psychology and propaganda.
	Here you had the pile driver theory was not even physically possible for the top floors.
	As Chuck Baldwin, this is a retired high school physics, math, and chemistry teacher calculated.
	For every unit of downward force from those top floors, 118 units of upward force of resistance, it wasn't even possible.
	It wasn't even physically possible for those buildings to collapse.
	And look at this.
	Judy loves to talk about it, but that was directed energy weapons supposed to convert these buildings into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust.
	She loves to talk about this, which is part of the remnant of the North Court columns, turning into dust.
	It is undergoing molecular disintegration, but that is equally explicable on the basis of a nuclear event.
	Indeed, I'm not at all sure Judy can resolve this even on the basis of dews.
	And then let me observe.
	The building were converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust.
	Frankly, I don't think we had anything like that in Lahaina, Pacific Palisades, Paradise, California.
	James, go right ahead.
	Continue your points.
	I wanted to give some visual background for those who watch the video version of our show.
	Go right ahead, James.
	Yes.
	I look at the first couple of pictures you put up there.
	The gray spouting over looks very much to me like steel.
	And the white on the later pictures, of course, is concrete.
	There's a phase change here happening between solid and, of course, the gas.
	I'll call it a gas.
	It's not a gas exactly.
	It's a powder.
	But you had a fantastic phase change.
	And again, like I said, to do that, you've got to have kinetic energy.
	And that would be, I would say, the neutrons.
	And, well, I also learned from my conversation with uh Judy that I asked her directly, where did the dust go, or where did the where did the material from the buildings go?
	And I think she said something about it all went down to Pennsylvania.
	So, from the uh, conservation of matter, it's a partial, differential equation.
	Uh, where you've got uh, there's a two, two components of the equation.
	One is they call the divergence, The other is the partial differential, with respect to time, of the density.
	They both have to add up to zero.
	So the matter had to end up somewhere.
	It didn't end up at the bottom of the towers.
	It went down to Pennsylvania.
	See?
	This is what happened.
	And again, nitro can't do that.
	So we were talking sublimation.
	And in order to do that, you got to have a million degrees Kelvin.
	Neutrons, a nuclear weapon can do that.
	Of course.
	One thing, caveat here is they worked this out beforehand in a proving ground.
	Okay.
	It was worked out.
	It was done experimentally somewhere where there was a mock-up and they said, yeah, it works for the mock-up.
	Okay.
	Now we're going to do it on the real thing.
	By the way.
	One more thing.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	One more thing is the nuclear weapons, I believe last I checked were controlled by the Atomic Energy Commission, not by the military.
	So who wants to get involved with that kind of bureaucracy?
	Back to you guys.
	I think that the explosion in the World Trade Center in 1993, officially related to the blind sheep, was actually to test the structure of the building for the placement of the explosive where they had sensors throughout the building to see the effects of that calculated explosion in order to set up for 9-11.
	So that was 93.
	So at the very least, you know, how long was this in the works?
	I believe Umar and BBNet, who had the plan around 1987 with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the neocons picked up.
	You mentioned fuses or switches yesterday in the program.
	These are, okay, yeah, well, those are nuclear-proof switches, because if I'm going to blow the buildings from 110 down to the bottom, I got to make sure that the nuclear radiation doesn't mess up my electrical system, you see.
	So they had special triggers for this that were nuclear, you know, for nuclear weapons.
	See?
	Fascinating.
	I mean, that's a gelatin.
	These are these occupying the building where we have.
	Yeah, yeah, that's what you mentioned.
	Fuse holders, and James is explaining what that's all about.
	Well, those are radiation-proof switches because radiation can destroy things.
	So you would have to have the system.
	If I'm going to start at 110 and fire that, I got to make sure I fire everything in the right sequence, you see.
	And that had to be worked out too.
	So they had special equipment, which is what you mentioned in the talk.
	You know, I haven't shared this before, but Richard and I had an informal conversation after the debate.
	And I was saying, I was open-minded that they might have used some nanothermide, you know, in the building or that or that.
	There could have been a just hang on.
	Or there could have been a distribution of mini nukes.
	And Richard himself said, Well, if there were every fourth floor, that would explain the phenomena as he was seeing it.
	In other words, Richard himself was being open to the idea of mini nukes distributed through the building, which was my very first before the Palmer report.
	I originally thought that was how it had been done with the distribution of mini nukes.
	And to my astonishment, Richard was open to that idea.
	He was saying that conformed to the observable evidence that he has noted and reported about.
	And it was the Palmer report and the argument that, well, wouldn't one nuke set off the others if there'd been a series of minis that I at the time thought was persuasive.
	But perhaps you can elaborate, James, after I give Joe a chance to get a word in edge-wise.
	Joe, go.
	Yeah.
	Well, the bombs that they dropped in Japan were both 15-kiloton.
	By 1950, we had 16-inch artillery cells that were on our Iowa-class battleships, 30 on the number two turret on each one of those battleships, and released a video of testing that in the in New Mexico called Operation GLADIS.
	And we made sure the Chinese knew that so that we were ready to end the Korean War one way or the other.
	We could set our battleships 40 miles offshore and hit any seaside target anywhere along China's coast.
	And so China kind of said, well, gee, it looks like we're Joe's making brilliantly important points.
	Well, no doubt he'll rejoin.
	James, pick up, go from there.
	Yeah, I wanted to mention the mass transfer coefficient, that concept in regard to the phase change from going from a solid to a comment about the phase change.
	James is actually talking about all materials exist in one of three forms, solid, liquid, or gas.
	A phase change would be like converting from solid the twin towers into gas, like the dust and the aerosols and all that.
	So I just want them to the background for the audience.
	If they miss that point, go right ahead, James, and then we'll get Joe back.
	Go ahead.
	I just wanted to mention that mass transfer coefficient.
	I'm not going to get into it deeply, but the point I'm trying to say is theoretically in the proving ground, this could all be worked out.
	What I need in order to get the effect.
	I can't have the building coming down like in the interview you said, banging on the bathtub, flooding lower Manhattan.
	Can't have that.
	So we got to have the dust going up.
	See?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Joe, go right ahead.
	Yeah, Joe.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So bottom line is by the 1950s, they developed six-inch nuclear artillery shells that were one kiloton, and they developed 100,000 pounds, which, yeah, kiloton W-54 bazookas.
	These are Jeep-mounted bazooka warheads.
	And so I have a declassified document, which I don't have with me right now, but it's use of tactical nukes, and it was by the Army College.
	And the problem they had is that if you had any of these nuclear weapons out in the field, you could get stray gamma rays, like we mentioned before, or I mean, stray alpha rays from the detonation of one of them, and it would simultaneously set off the other.
	So I don't know that they've got nuclear-proof triggers to put multiple ones close to each other because that seems a little bit impossible.
	But one thing is completely obvious.
	Every volcano is a nuclear reaction.
	Earth is 259 billion cubic miles of mostly molten rock, which stays molten because we have 700,000 cubic miles of uranium that is constantly decaying, and it's producing elemental atoms that go on to produce elemental molecules.
	And then they also produce an enormous amount of heat, and that's what erupts out of volcanoes.
	You always have a radon spike right before you have a volcanic reaction.
	And radon is an eighth-period chemical element that is done.
	Lost Joe again.
	He's making these sensational points.
	James, make it up.
	Continue your part.
	I just wanted to mention the special atomic demolition munition XM129, which I guess has been declassified since it's on my computer.
	XM129 and XM159, atomic demolition charges and the D54.
	Yeah, demolition.
	Right there.
	That's right.
	Demolition charging.
	Perfect.
	Right.
	And it shows you carrying cases.
	Okay, send that to me because I want to add that to my repertoire.
	But bottom line is what you saw in those buildings was pyroclastic flow, material coming out of the building and then pouring over the sides and then covering it with dust.
	And here's the rest of the information: steel melts at 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit, but it vaporizes at 5,180 degrees Fahrenheit.
	So when you're vaporizing the steel and you have 2,200 tons of aluminum cladding on the outside of the building, you're also vaporizing the aluminum.
	And when you have vaporized aluminum and steel together in the oxygen-rich environment, you're going to form thermite.
	And any thermite that is found in the dust was not used in the bringing the buildings down.
	So that would be excess thermite that you'd have to produce.
	Thermite is not a catalyst, it is a reactant.
	So if you start a fire with thermite, you're not going to end up with thermite afterwards.
	So that's another place where I've mentioned this repeatedly to Richard Gage every time I've met him, and he just completely ignores it because he has no concept of what physics and chemistry are involved.
	Great points, Joe.
	Great points.
	Yeah.
	Richard's affable guy, makes a favorable impression.
	He's been flown all over the country.
	AE has received more donations from 9-11 organization than any other.
	I do everything I've ever done in gratis, and you know, rare occasions receiving some support for which I'm eternally grateful.
	But Richard has done everything first class.
	His contracts, first-class hotel, first-class travel.
	He has led a good life.
	I like the guy now, but I do think, Joe, you're faulting him on appropriate grounds.
	He actually lacks a scientific background to be defending the views he's defending.
	And it was very obvious during our final debate.
	You know, it's a three-part thing.
	Richard spoke on the second for an hour and a half.
	I spoke on the fourth for an hour and a half.
	Then the two of us together for about two hours on the sixth.
	And Richard was trying to find grounds to defend the idea that real planes had really been used to attack the towers.
	And it was obvious he was so far out of his depth, he really wasn't prepared to deal with it.
	You think after all these years, he would have dug into a plane snowplane, but it's obvious he had not in the past.
	James, go ahead.
	Well, of course, there's a lot of politics involved in this troubleshooting and consulting business where the consultant is, shall we say, coerced into making the claims they do because the people that are sponsoring him or her want the outcome to be the right way.
	So if one takes the money, one is beholden to those that are supplying the cash.
	It appears to be true of our Congress en masse, and they're taking so much money back.
	They're afraid to deviate from the Israeli line, which brings us back to Alex Jones because getting sick of covering up for Israel and Trump as they call him, if not averse, the greatest Jewish president.
	He has declared again and again he'd be the best president for Israel they ever had.
	He's declared Bibi Net Yahoo, the known as Bibi the Butcher for mass genocide, the greatest man in the world today.
	I mean, give me a break.
	Joe, Joe.
	Yeah, one thing I do want to give Richard credit for was that he managed to get one piece of very good scientific evidence, and that was the Halsey report on the World Trade Center 7 building.
	They did a finite element analysis of the whole entire building.
	And they started off by doing a trailer saying, this is what we're getting ready to do.
	And Halsey was describing how he was going to do it.
	And now it's going to take a whole lot of time and it was going to take a whole lot of money.
	And they used it for fundraising.
	So they produced a trailer.
	Then they produced the first preliminary analysis, which really didn't say anything.
	They produced a second analysis, but it didn't really say anything.
	And then finally, like a year or two ago, they released their fourth production of it.
	Here's the deal.
	The students that were working on this were graduate students in structural engineering at Fairbanks University.
	They were under enormous amount of pressure to get somebody who wasn't going to ruin the rest of their career by being involved in something that's this controversial.
	So the only students he could get was two Chinese graduate students.
	He couldn't release the final analysis until after they were safely back in China because what he did in his analysis was he said, this proves that NIST reaction is wrong.
	But by the same finite analysis, you put in a couple of different formulas and you can prove out what actually did happen.
	And so right now in China, you have two graduate students with PhDs in structural engineering that did all of the finite element analysis on World Trade Center 7.
	And not only can they say, I'm sorry, a beam that was 30 feet long didn't overheat and jump off of a three-inch haunch and fall down and call the whole building to fall down.
	NIST reply.
	But what they can say is because we have the finite element analysis, all we have to do is say, how many bombs would it take to place in the building and bring the whole thing down exactly like you saw it?
	And that's what's getting ready to happen.
	Because Putin has all the evidence on the Epstein files because Sheriff of Miami County, John Mark Dugan, saw that his files for Epstein were being deleted by Acosta.
	And one of his deputies was murdered and two of them had their lives threatened.
	So he downloaded everything in stick drives, gave one to a dead man here in America and got asylum in Russia.
	Putin knows all about the Apollo mission, he knows all about the Epstein Island shit, and he knows all about what's happened at 911.
	And the day is going to come when they expose the United States Empire for the absolute 100% evil fraud it has been.
	Oh, yeah, that's saying a lot, but I think you're spot on.
	Meanwhile, here we had Trump being a person in the world that say something was terribly wrong.
	Let's just listen to a tiny bit of what he had to say.
	Donald, you're probably the best known builder, particularly of great buildings in the city.
	There's a great deal of question about whether or not the damage and the ultimate destruction of the buildings was caused by the airplanes, by architectural defect, or possibly by bombs or aftershocks.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	Well, it was an architectural defect.
	You know, the World Trade Center was always known as a very, very strong building.
	Don't forget, that took a big bomb in the basement.
	Now, the basement is the most vulnerable place because that's your foundation, and it withstood that.
	And I got to see that area about three or four days after it took place because one of my structural engineers actually took me for a tour because he did the building.
	And I said, I can't believe it.
	The building was standing solid, and half of the columns were blown out.
	I mean, so this was an unbelievably powerful building.
	If you know anything about structure, it was one of the first buildings that was built from the outside.
	The steel.
	The reason the World Trade Center had such narrow windows is that in between all the windows, you had the steel on the outside.
	So you had to steal on the outside of the building.
	That's why when I first looked, and you had big, heavy I-beams, when I first looked at it, I couldn't believe it because there was a hole in the steel.
	And this is steel that was, you remember the width of the windows in the World Trade Center, folks?
	I think, you know, if you were ever up there, they were quite narrow.
	And in between was this heavy steel.
	I said, how could a plane, even a plane, even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been, how could it possibly go through the steel?
	I happen to think that they had not only a plane, but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously because I just can't imagine anything being able to go through that wall.
	Most buildings are built with the steel is on the inside around the elevator shaft.
	This one was built from the outside, which is the strongest structure you can have.
	And it was almost just like a can of soup.
	You know, Donna, we were looking at pictures all morning long of that plane coming into building number two.
	And when you see that approach the far side, and then all of a sudden, within a matter of millisecond, the explosion pops out the other side.
	I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel.
	I think, obviously, there were very big planes.
	They were going very rapidly because I was also watching where the plane seemed to be not only going about the planes.
	Here's a Palmer report about nuclear blasts destroying the inner tube from the bottom up and the outer tube from the top down, correlated with the external observations of what was going on at the same time.
	And it's very Very persuasive, but I'm certainly open to the idea of there having been multiple nukes at different locations.
	Here's an absolutely crucial observation.
	The energy released in the tower by breaking the paradigm cage brought about the toasted cars.
	And it seems to me this is the Achilles heel of the Judy Wood presentation, where a paradigm cage blocks electromagnetic fields, where we had the impossibility, in my opinion now, of directed energy weapons having been responsible, much less ejecting debris upward at a 45-degree angle into the winter garden.
	Where here we have an overview of the scientific facts of the case.
	Jet fuel fires, if they burned hot enough and long enough, would cause a building to sag and gradually collapse, but it couldn't have gone far.
	Jet fuel could not have ejected 300 tons up at a 45-angle 600 feet outward to the winter garden to explode scale 6,100 meters per second, to make 3,200 kerosene principles only 1,600 meters, and a burnout only 895.
	Can't get there from there, folks.
	Don't let yourself be fighting.
	Not a bit impressive.
	Not this.
	Right now.
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	The Judy's never been able to respond to the findings of the U.S. Geological Survey, which, in my opinion, blow her theory out of the water.
	Barium and strontium, thorium and uranium, lithium, lanthanum, yttrium, chromium, tritium, some of which only exist in radioactive form.
	And then we have the mass of medical maladies, very similar pattern to Chernobyl.
	All kinds of rather exotic cancers, leukemia, multiple myelomia, esophageal, pancreatic cancer.
	At the time, there were about 5,500 with 6,500 cancers.
	That was some time ago.
	Now it's expanded to about 70,000.
	And then we had the residual heat beneath the ground, the hot spots, which in my opinion are not explicable.
	Certainly not by nanothermite and conventional explosives, or especially by dews, which appear to reflect the residual molten metal from the nuclear event.
	Here's now what it looked like in Paradise, California, after a dew attack.
	But this did not resemble the World Trade Center, or put it the other way around.
	The World Trade Center did not resemble known locations where directed energy weapons have been used like Paradise, California, Lahaina, Hawaii, or Pacific Palisades at all.
	James, let me go to you first.
	I want to elaborate on the structure of the Twin Towers as being Faraday cages that make Judy's theory preposterous.
	Yes, well, of course, any hollowed-out metallic Structure will resist a charge on the outside.
	But it just occurred to me how I would have done this job.
	I would have put the nukes in a centrally located vacant elevator shaft all the way from 110 down to the bottom.
	That's where they put the nukes in the elevator shaft.
	And they could have worked on that during the day, saying that that particular elevator was out of order.
	In fact, that's what they claimed.
	It was the biggest elevator renovation in history.
	And then the records are all right.
	That's that's the ticket right there.
	Okay, so would every fourth floor or so have been sufficient?
	Well, yeah, again, like I said, they'd worked that out in the proving ground.
	But what gave it to me again now was you've got the 45-degree, what you just showed means you've got a collision.
	The source of the blast is from the inside going out, and now I can calculate the speed of that crap coming off at a parabolic, it's a parabolic trajectory.
	That speed is calculable, and therefore I get some information about what the speed of what's pushing it.
	I haven't done the calculation yet, but I got the idea for it.
	The Faraday cage is simple.
	You have an outside electric field trying to push into the metallic skin.
	All of the electrons in the metal go out to produce a field to counter that electric field trying to get in.
	That's a Faraday cage.
	Second year physics.
	Joe.
	Okay, this is FEMA figure 2-16.
	This shows the waffle panels on the exterior of the building.
	They were built in three-story tall sections.
	They staggered the sections along the face of the building so they could inbolt the columns as they were erecting them and have them be free standing while they were connecting the floor joists, which connected at four-foot intervals all the way around the building to the 52-inch high, the horizontal bands in this are 52-inch high, two-inch thick plate steel.
	Okay, the columns are 16 by 16 steel columns that are rising up and are welded to it.
	But then you also have splices, 12 splice bolts with each one of those spandrel sections to each other, and then the connections to the floor joists.
	And then they put in shear ties that are rebarred that was looped through the top of the bar joist cord and welded in.
	And then you poured six inches of concrete on top of it.
	No way that any airplane could have penetrated that building.
	That's item number one.
	Item number two: if you look at this, what's clearly missing is that two full panels had the inbolts, the floor joist connections, and all of the splice bolts cut out.
	They had shaped charges on them, and they were blown out from the face of the building right before the impact from the cruise missile that made it look like a roadrunner hit the side of the building.
	And when we did our interview with Steve Dieck, which is on YouTube, it got scrubbed, he showed pictures of the one, one of these waffle panels laying next to the Greek Orthodox church that was in the World Trade Center complex area, and it clearly showed depressions from a shaped charge.
	The next thing is that it also showed the bolt holes not being sheared by being knocked off, that they were actually removed to the building being brought down.
	And the same thing that Richard brought up, he said it was just those four bolts, and an airplane was able to cut through those bolts.
	Well, the bolt holes weren't sheared, Richard.
	What part of structural engineering did you not go to?
	Did you not go to strengthen material and testing classes?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, here we go.
	Here's some footage about the plane approaching.
	Can you get the military?
	Watch the notes out.
	Witnessing an aerodynamic and physical impossibility here.
	There's no diminution of velocity.
	The plane enters with no collision effects.
	The nose bobs out the other side.
	Explicable because it was a holographic projection.
	And for those of us who were watching live at the time, when the nose popped out, they did a fade to black.
	The screen went black.
	Here you have the most historic event absent the Kennedy assassination ever recorded and they fade to black.
	No, it was because they mucked up.
	They had a hand-eye coordination problem and they wanted to cover it up.
	Meanwhile, as Joe's talking about, the damage that occurs from hitting a tiny bird that weighs a few ounces.
	Inexplicable what's going on here.
	These panels were massive, very substantial.
	They want to compare with this Sandia crash where they had a fighter made out of synthetic fuel and filled with water piloted by a rocket on railroad trestle into a concrete bunker.
	And it blew into a million tiny pieces, but it did not penetrate the concrete bunker.
	And of course, the aluminum aircraft wasn't made of synthetic.
	It was a faulty analogy, but that's how bad it is.
	Here's where Steve Dak suggested that it might have been a missile that was fired into the building to create the impression.
	But get this.
	If you want refutation, the most powerful possible.
	Oh my God.
	Are they saying, you know, I should get off the phone because David might be trying to call me because I love the message.
	I'll tell you that.
	You've got a woman there standing in the facade there in the cutout baby on herself.
	Wait a minute.
	I mean, tell me that isn't the most powerful reputation.
	Remember, they claim that planes went in, they exploded, they decimated everything.
	The kingdom come, and here you got a woman standing there, obviously unscathed.
	I mean, how embarrassing, Joe, your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, one other thing that Richard knows absolutely nothing about is aviation.
	I soloed in 1976.
	I flew solo from Houston to Corpus Christi to Brownsville and then back.
	I had to make fueling stops in Corpus Christi along the way, spent the night with my grandparents down in Brownsville.
	I understand flying.
	I've had dozens of friends that have airplanes.
	I've flown a dozen different airframes in the right seat with guys that were either certified flight instructors or just really good pilots that I've trusted.
	So I understand aviation far better than Richard does.
	He has no idea what a high-bypass turbofan is.
	Number one, he has no idea what VMO is, which is your maximum velocity, 1,000 foot.
	For any of these airliners, the 767 and 57, that's 350 miles per hour.
	Radar tracking on all three of those supposed airplane strikes were over 500 miles per hour.
	This with the high bypass, this is a five to one ratio.
	And when you bring those down where the air pressure at 30,000 feet, I've got my notes here.
	Air pressure at 30,000 feet is 4.5 psi.
	It's 14.7 at ground.
	At 40,000 feet, it's 2.7.
	2.7 divided by 14.7 is 5.4.
	There's your high bypass ratio, the highest that you can go on a turbofan.
	But when you bring that down, you can't push that much air through that engine.
	And so the engine is just like having a giant garbage can lid on the front of the engine.
	It puts so much pressure on the engine mounts that it will strip the engines off or the wings off.
	So neither one of those location events could have possibly happened.
	But Richard doesn't have a clue about that.
	And that's why he's still saying, no, there had to be airplanes.
	And one of the other clowns that's involved in this is Ryan Dawson.
	And he said, no, there had to be airplanes on 911.
	Otherwise, you can't implicate Saudi Arabia.
	Well, hey, what if you don't need to implicate Saudi Arabia?
	What if you know solving 911 involves implicating Israel?
	Because they were eyeball deep.
	They did the whole operation.
	And there was also two Israeli crews with vans that were caught at the bridge anchormments on the George Washington Bridge and a van inside the Holland Tunnel that were arrested.
	And those were released by Giuliani.
	So tell me again about what a wonderful mayor of America he was.
	And he lined up 115 dump trucks a day after the Holloway to debris.
	But Judy would astutely observe: they're bringing in hundreds of tons of dirt just at their noble to absorb the residual radiation.
	Judy Giuliani arranged all of that.
	James, go right ahead.
	Well, I'm struck by the tragedy at this point.
	I think that these events, this event changed my life quite a few years afterward.
	And I didn't do any analysis.
	I knew that nothing had exerted an impact on the whatever went through the buildings or didn't go through it.
	By Newton's second law, there had been no impact on the buildings at all.
	And therefore, the whole argument about the pancaking and so on and so forth was, I knew it wasn't true.
	I went to New York City.
	I had been in New York in July of 2001, and I ended up in New York in December of 2001, of course, just after it happened.
	And I was in Bensonhurst having lunch, and the Italians told me that there had been, they blew it up, is like the guy said, they blew it up.
	So you have a you have the people in New York City talking about this event.
	And of course, yeah, there's people that, you know, are going to go along with what the TV said.
	But my buddies in Bensonhurst, Bensonhurst, tuned me up to what was going on because I could tell word on the street was that this was an inside job.
	Back to you guys.
	Yeah, 100%, of course.
	Larry Silverstein and B.B. Daniaglo's buddies, they talk every Sunday, the transfer by the port authority into his hands six weeks before was done by Zionists.
	I mean, the whole thing was totally controlled by Israel from top to bottom.
	Outrageous.
	And the American people need to understand that on 9-11, America was nuked by Israel with the compliments of the CIA, the Neoconsider Department of Defense, and the Mossad.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, by coincidence, on September 11th, 1991, a group of investors got together and got bonds for Operation Hammer.
	They got $330 million worth of bonds, went over to Russia, located a bunch of Russian Jewish oligarchs and gave them a million dollars each to buy up all of the Russian assets the same way Armin Hammer and J.P. Morgan did after the Bolshevik revolution.
	And they went in and bought up absolutely everything in Russia for 10 cents on the dollar.
	And those bonds were due to be sold on September 11, 2001.
	And they were having the bond auction at Cantor Fitzgerald, which was in the North Tower.
	And guess what?
	The CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald is another nice Jewish guy named Howard Luttnick.
	Okay.
	He joined the Silverstein lawsuit after the building was collapsed because Cantor Fitzgerald lost 658 employees.
	And he managed to get a $20 million settlement from the Silverstein settlement on the insurance.
	But he kept the $20 million instead of giving it to the 658 families that had lost loved ones because he said I was the CEO of the company and I had lost more than anybody did.
	Oh, boo-hoo to you.
	And guess where he is today?
	Howard Luttnick is the Secretary of Commerce that's ordering all of the terrorists and blowing in Trump's ear about how wonderful it is to control the economy that way.
	That's how incestuous and nasty this whole freaking thing is.
	And you can't see it because it's such a nasty freaking picture.
	Excellent, Joe.
	Excellent.
	James.
	Well, yeah, this is true.
	Now, let's go back to the parade in Beijing.
	I believe this is China, Russia, North Korea, and Pakistan and Iran were there, by the way, because I heard them being introduced to Xi Jinping.
	They just weren't part of the big three.
	All of these people have resolved at that meeting in Beijing to take a stand against what has been a, like I said, a quagmire.
	The Ukraine situation is a quagmire.
	It's not winnable.
	But if the West persists in what it's doing in Europe and in the Middle East, the forces of the Far East are going to come marching toward the Middle East and Europe in order to finish the job.
	And there is 10 million Chinese in the United States.
	There's a fifth column right there because I guarantee blood's thicker than water.
	All those Chinese in the United States.
	Yeah, how are you going to get rid of them?
	This is how it goes.
	And the United States has a couple hundred million people.
	China's got billions.
	If you put India in there, well, then it's even more.
	I'm not sure about the stability of India in that triumvirate, but they don't need India because in a way, India doesn't want to get involved.
	India would prefer to stay by itself.
	Back to you guys.
	Yeah, India's going to have to take a stand.
	I mean, well, one way or the other.
	BRICS is growing like mad.
	United States is becoming increasingly isolated economically, politically, morally by siding with Israel, all in on the genocide.
	We even have an American military officer arrested for opposing the Israeli genocide.
	How outrageous is that?
	Just disgusting beyond belief.
	It's bad enough to have a president who's openly supporting the genocide, which is a disgrace to the United States and makes us an isolate, a rogue nation.
	Along with Israel, our gallant ally, we have become the most despised nation in the world.
	And it's all been because of the Israeli influence on our politics and Donald J. Trump.
	Joe, your thoughts.
	Yeah, well, never let a crisis go to waste.
	So what was the downwind effect of the nuclear demolition of the World Trade Center buildings?
	The prevailing wind is going to the northeast.
	So we saturated Brooklyn and Bronx with a whole bunch of radioactive material.
	And it takes about 20 years to develop really rare cancers.
	And they had nursing homes full of patients that had rare nuclear-related cancers when the COVID thing came around.
	And they went in and gave them rendisivir, put them on ventilators and snuffed 20,000.
	The highest best count in the whole United States was in the area that was downwind of the World Trade Center buildings.
	Another cover up on the part of these nefarious.
	What a great observation, Joe.
	Wow.
	Damn.
	James.
	Well, yes, I agree because it would be good timing.
	They would come in with respiratory problems.
	It might very well be lung cancer.
	But they say, no, no, you got COVID.
	Put you on the ventilator.
	So, yeah, the timing's pretty good.
	Back to you guys.
	Joe, further thoughts as we conclude our conversation today.
	Give us an overview.
	Yes, Jim and I are going to be doing a two-hour with Dean Ryan, similar to what he did with Richard Gage.
	I encourage everybody to watch this debate with Richard Gage because it's pretty good.
	But on this Thursday evening, Jim and I are going to be cleaning Richard's clock along with all the other nefarious people involved in this.
	And trust me, I've got tons more.
	Zacharias Massari, Jamie Gorlick, a whole bunch of other players that are involved in this nasty charade.
	And we're going to lay out absolutely all Susan Landauer.
	We're going to lay out all the predicate and everything to show that this was 100% a state event.
	NORAD stand down, every bit of it.
	We're going to go through it for two hours on this coming 911.
	And please tune in and watch Dean Ryan.
	And let's make this thing go viral because this is the evidence that needs to get in front of a congressional hearing.
	James, I really want you to summarize the hopeless inadequacy of the directed energy weapon theory that it's not sustainable.
	I think Judy even introduced, you know, words like justification because dudes don't do that.
	So she had to find a magical way to transform something that did not actually happen from that cause to make it seem somehow plausible that it could have been responsible.
	Your thoughts.
	Well, I don't know what her motivations are exactly.
	I would have to speculate, of course, but the idea of the twin towers being Faraday cages is simply textbook.
	It's obvious open and shut.
	That's second year physics, like I said, or second semester physics, where you study electromagnetic theory, the basic parts.
	And Gauss's law, which students learn to use in a primitive kind of way.
	But with Gauss's law, you can demonstrate easily that the twin towers were Faraday cages.
	And that would mean that anybody that's poking some kind of electromagnetic wave has no way to penetrate that structure.
	People could say, speculate, well, it was a laser, but there would be evidence of that.
	And the laser is not an efficient way to vaporize structural steel.
	Was it 200,000 tons and 450,000 cubic yards?
	That's not going to fly.
	But a nuclear weapon, as described in the codes that I gave, there was the W-54, of course, but then the XM, the demolition weapons.
	These will give you the temperature to sublimate your material to turn it from a solid to a gas and have it fly away like a bird, which is what Judy Woods reported and what the evidence shows.
	Back to you guys.
	Yeah, say that last point again, what Judy claims.
	Well, the dust of the two towers flew to, well, probably flew northeast, of course, but then it flew down to Pennsylvania.
	So the buildings did not fall in a pile, like you said, with 12.5% the original height of the building, did not damage the bathtub, as they call it, did not flood the lower Manhattan with the Hudson River, and therefore all the weight of the building had to fly away, which is pure sublimation.
	Yes.
	And now to do that pure sublimation, again, like I said before, you got to have a temperature of, I would say, at least a million degrees Kelvin sustained over, you know, a couple of seconds, maybe longer, right?
	And one MeV to five MeV neutrons will do that.
	We'll give you more than enough temperature to do the sublimation.
	Joe, we can't leave out Hurricane Aaron, Judy, up Neil's source of energy or of dissipation.
	Just a couple of words about Aaron Joe.
	Well, I want to talk about the being a Faraday cage.
	It's actually a waveguide.
	And when you did the air blast over Hiroshima, there were people that were standing on the sidewalks and their shadows were burnt into the sidewalks, but their bodies were completely vaporized.
	Okay.
	The basement, the first floor of the World Trade Center buildings had what's called a trident, which was the main columns that were supporting the walls.
	They merged the exterior wall columns into segments so they have a big enough opening to be able to walk through on the first floor.
	That would be your waveguide.
	And as the energy blasted through the elevator and you had this giant flash of light, it would go out through that waveguide and do the cutoffs on the bar.
	If we were to define genius as vast knowledge and articulation, it's been my great pleasure today to have a conversation with Gene I.
	I want you all to appreciate this is what happened on 9-11.

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