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The Raw Deal (29 August 2025) with co-host Paul from CA and special guest, Sofia Smallstorm

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	I'm going to get somebody else, not just anybody else.
	You know, I need someone.
	I was younger, so much younger than today, I never needed anybody's help in any way, not so self-assure.
	Won't you please, please help me?
	Well, this is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Raw Deal right here on Revolution Radio Studio B this 29th day of August, 2025.
	Just a reminder, coming up this next week, a 9-11 extravaganza.
	Richard Gage, who founded Architects and Engineers, by far the most widely heralded and supported 9-11 truth organization here in the United States, will be making a presentation for an hour and a half on Tuesday, beginning at 10 Eastern, 9 Central, 7 Pacific.
	Then Thursday, I, Jim Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9-11 Truth, will be making a presentation again Thursday for an hour and a half, 10 Eastern, 9 Central, 7 Pacific.
	And then Saturday, so it's Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Richard and I will join together an hour earlier, 9 p.m. Eastern, 8 p.m. Central, 6 p.m. Pacific, to discuss and debate our similarities and differences over what happened on 9-11.
	I tell you, if you want to get an education about 9-11, this is a rare opportunity.
	And you'll learn, too, of our views about Judy Wood and Dews and why, as I'm going to contend, it's not even possible that Twin Towers could have been taken down with directed energy.
	Well, but stand by.
	This is, I think, an event you don't want to miss.
	meanwhile joined by paul from california i want to talk about the minneapolis shooting ah the minneapolis shooting and why it does not appear to have been a real event but rather staged It's fascinating that we have this happening.
	There are some, including myself, who speculate that we're talking about an event that was orchestrated because of my lawsuit against Rumble and Blitzhute.
	And I got to say, I think that that may very well be the case.
	It's quite significant because my Sandy Hook friends explained to me that Sandy Hook Promise, which continues to rake in a million bucks a month, a million bucks a month, had hired Victor Hugo out of concern that my lawsuit right here in Dane County, where I have four appeals pending, might be overturned.
	And if that were to happen, it could cut off their gravy train.
	He's now posted over 750 of these vicious, defamatory, malicious videos, not just attacking me, but colleagues of mine who have spoken up for me, including Russ Winter, Joaquina Gopi and Susan Bradford, Brian Davidson, Carl Herman.
	And he's expanded to those shows that have featured me in the past, including Stew Peters, X22 Report, SGT report.
	Mike Adams included Gene Ryan.
	I mean, it's completely outrageous what's going on here.
	It's as though he's taking on the entire all-truth community.
	Well, because of the connection to Sandy Hook, they may want to reinforce the idea that these mass shootings are real and taking place, but I would describe this as Sandy Hook 2, which was a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control.
	Now, just to make an overarching point that the liberals completely misunderstand or deliberately misrepresent worldwide, the more guns, the lower the homicide rate.
	That's right.
	You may have never contemplated the very possibility.
	John Lott is an American expert in this area.
	The more gun ownership, the lower the homicide rate.
	So taking guns away, after all, if you're going to have laws for gun control, they're only going to affect law-abiding citizens.
	Criminals, in case you hadn't noticed, and it's as though the Democrats have a brain warp here, are not law-abiding citizens.
	So if you have gun control laws, you're going to be taking guns away from law-abiding citizens.
	The criminals don't give a damn about gun control laws.
	The criminals are going to do it anyway.
	So, of course, they're trying to create phony events where it looks as though we had someone who is maybe not right in the mind performing an action, even with legally obtained guns.
	I just want there to be a general understanding worldwide.
	The more guns, the lower the homicide rate.
	We had a spectacular illustration in Brazil of late where they had a new president who relaxed the gun control laws and crime and homicides went down.
	Then he got the boot, replaced by a president who wanted tighter gun control laws, and the crime and homicide rate went up.
	And I'm telling you, this is true worldwide.
	So this particular event is getting a staggering amount of publicity, very on the order of the original Sandy Hook, perhaps not quite as egregious.
	Pure evil.
	And this is from the Gateway Pundit, which I have tended to regard as a highly reliable news source.
	Trans-Minneapolis Catholic School shooter identified had two names.
	Posted manifesto on YouTube before shooting.
	Shooter had killed Donald Trump written on the gun.
	Now, there are a lot of major clues there right off the bat.
	That this is a contrived event.
	You got children being shot.
	That's emotional impact number one.
	You had it in a church, emotional impact number two.
	A Catholic church, emotional impact number three.
	Why should he have killed Donald Trump on his weapon?
	That has nothing to do with anything.
	That's a sure sign something is fake here.
	The idea to tranny, give me a break.
	Having a manifesto.
	How many persons have you ever known who had manifestos?
	Let's listen to how they're pitching this.
	Per Fox News sources confirmed to Vox.
	The Minneapolis shooter has been identified as 23-year-old Robin Westman, coined at court dogs.
	At 17-year-olds, Robert Westman formerly had his legal name changed to Robin because Doc State, a minor child identifies as female and wants her name to reflect the identification.
	The application for a name change of a minor was filed by the mother in a court ran the request in 2020.
	Paul, go ahead, give us your preliminary take.
	We're going to spend a fair amount of time on this.
	Paul.
	Well, initially, like all these others, I don't tend to pay a lot of attention to the details.
	I am at the point now where my default position is they're almost all staged, especially when it comes to school shootings.
	In other words, you know, the idea that anyone, someone would go to a school, such as an elementary school or another sort of school like that and shoot students for pretty much no reason is fairly unfathomable.
	And I believe that, you know, even Columbine, you know, which was sort of like, I guess, the beginning of this sort of thing, even there was a lot of very problematic things.
	Now, I'm not saying nobody died at Columbine.
	It's a very interesting case study.
	It's a whole separate thing.
	But since then, you have shown, as well as many others, I mean, you actually came along after Sophia and others had done some work on Sandy Hook, and then you did all your, you compiled all the research of others in that phenomenal book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	And of course, since then, we've only seen a pattern, right?
	That's what essentially all the evidence shows is these things fit a kind of a template.
	And in many cases, they don't make any sense.
	And for example, Las Vegas was a classic example where the victims had no internet presence.
	In many cases, they were just made-up names.
	So I sent you the paper from Miles Mathis last night.
	I'm sure you had a chance to look at it.
	But of course, he points out that this guy here, this alleged shooter, is likely a composite character who actually has no real existence.
	And this is, of course, the most convenient sort of perpetrator there is.
	We have Miles' story right here.
	We're going to be discussing it today.
	This is just stunning stuff and that the media takes it so seriously.
	And Paul, you've been suggesting to me even on FTJ Media.
	You have person parties, hosts, and so we're taking it seriously.
	Here's one of the other tells.
	I mean, look, A research associate right off the bat noticed that the mayor was giving a statement that he had memorized and rehearsed that the chief of police had a written out statement.
	Now, if these were bona fide and legitimate, there'd be no necessity to rehearse and memorize a statement or to have one written out.
	You just talk about the facts as you do it.
	But when you're dealing with fantasy, with fiction, you got to make sure you keep your story straight.
	So you need to memorize what you're going to say or write it out.
	Well, then they got a kid, I don't know, six or seven, who claimed that his classmate saved him by lying on top of him and was shot in the back.
	But he casually says, oh, he's going to be okay.
	Now, this kid is just standing there chewing gum.
	He has no effect, no emotion whatsoever.
	He's just rattling this off, showing he's a good child actor.
	That's all this can be, Paul.
	I mean, it's so insulting that we have any.
	That's absurd.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We should play that.
	We should play that clip as well as the other one, the new Robbie Parker clip.
	But yeah, in my opinion, here's what I was going to say.
	Once you've seen some bad acting, okay, and I mean, if you have any sense of authenticity, I think this is one of the scary things that, you know, the people are always in their screens, all this AI, all the movies, all the television series, and there's a blurring of lines between what is real authentic human behavior and acting.
	And of course, so many of these things that you and I have seen, it just doesn't seem real.
	In other words, you know, starting with Sandy Hook, but certainly some of the interviews with Orlando Pulse Nightclub, the Las Vegas shooting, the 1 in Thousand Oaks, so on and so forth.
	Just why are there always news reporters there with cameras and microphones?
	And then all of a sudden we get to interview all these survivors and they just mostly calmly recollect what occurred.
	And now they have this kid who supposedly he's actually, they say he's what, six or seven?
	But in reality, it seems like he's a little bit older according to what people have done.
	But anyway, just for the fun of, I should read you what one of my listeners and followers sent me after I sent her a link with the interview of those two dads.
	It looked like it was two gay dads talking about their son Fletcher.
	Paul, I got it set up here.
	Why don't we play it and then read it?
	Play it and then.
	Okay.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	I'm very glad you're going to.
	Let's take you out there right now as we're going to hear from some family members of the victims following this deadly tragic shooting there.
	Two individuals, two young kids losing their lives.
	Let's listen in.
	There'll not be any interviews.
	And I just let you give them space and grace for the first time here and we'll be in touch.
	I've distributed my contact information.
	I'm pretty easy to find.
	Other media can share it with you and we'll be sharing a photo as soon as this statement is read.
	Thank you.
	What, the gay dad and his supporting?
	Yeah.
	Yesterday, a coward decided to take our eight-year-old son Fletcher away from us.
	Because of their actions, we will never be allowed to hold him, talk to him, play with him, and watch him grow into the wonderful young man he was on the path to becoming.
	Fletcher loved his family, friends, fishing, cooking, and any sport that he was allowed to play.
	While the hole in our hearts and lives will never be filled, I hope that in time our family can find healing.
	I pray that the other victim's family can find some semblance of the same.
	I'm hopeful that all the wounded are able to make a full recovery and return home to their families.
	And finally, all the people and especially the children impacted by this horrific event are able to recover mentally and find strength to live loving, happy, and full lives.
	Over the past day, I've heard many stories accounting the swift and heroic actions of children and adults alike from inside the church.
	Without these people and their selfless actions, this could have been a tragedy of many magnitudes more.
	For these people, I'm thankful.
	Moving forward, we ask not for your sympathy but your empathy as our family and the Annunciation community grieve and try to make sense of such a senseless act of violence.
	Please remember Fletcher for the person he was and not the act that ended his life.
	Give your kids an extra hug and kiss today.
	We love you, Fletcher.
	He will always be with us.
	All right, obviously you heard there the grief in the voice there, one of the victim's family members, as they were just reading out a statement, not taking any questions, but the showing of support of the Annunciation, the Catholic school there behind him in full force.
	The entire community in Minneapolis and the Twin Cities, as obviously two young kids, eight and ten, losing their lives talking about that kid, Fletcher, there.
	So, of course, so heartbreaking to hear all of these stories, and you can hear them talk about remembering that individual, that young child, the life that he had ahead of him, not for the moment, not for the tragedy that unfolded yesterday, but for the kid, the personality, the person that he was.
	Yeah, so you didn't get to miss Eaton Paul.
	There we have the anchor underlying, oh, this is really traumatic.
	Oh, this is so awful.
	Have emotion, weep tears.
	But it's fraudulent.
	It's a complete fake.
	It's pseudo-terrorism.
	And it is an act of terrorism because it was constructed deliberately to instill fear into parents across America.
	And it had that effect for everyone who took it seriously.
	So notwithstanding that it's contrived, and I have not the least doubt, it is a form of terrorism.
	Paul, go right ahead.
	Yeah, again, it's just, it's pathetic.
	You know, the idea that I think that's a good characterization.
	I don't know if I've ever heard you say that before, but it is a form of emotional terrorism, in my opinion.
	And the fact that we're subjected to such an agenda, and again, it's for more reasons than just gun control.
	There's people that have written about this as far as just it's sort of an ongoing attack on our psyche, just like so many of the things that they do and subject us to.
	And I just thought I'd read quickly an email I received.
	I sent a link to a friend of mine.
	She's followed me for a while.
	With this clip set up with my comments, you know, take a look at this.
	It doesn't seem real.
	Totally, the entire thing has to be fake.
	And she bolds this with underline.
	When a child is harmed, the family is going to be inconsolable.
	I know this firsthand because my own family was inconsolable when something tragic happened to us.
	My dad was ready to do something drastic, and my mom had to talk him out of getting a gun.
	The entire thing looks staged and bullshit.
	Why do they using the stupidest, shittiest actors that they do?
	Why can't they invest in better theatrics to such things?
	So it was her initial reaction.
	And of course, she's probably more inclined to react that way than others.
	But there you go.
	Paul, you tell me, hosts and commentators on FTJ are taking it seriously.
	They don't have their heads screwed on right.
	What's going on there?
	Well, I mean, among them, you know, one of them, he was on the other night.
	I think they spent a little time on this, but you know, he's of the opinion that this quote, this notion that everything is fake is not a good, healthy notion.
	It's destructive, you know, to whatever, blah, blah, blah.
	And I mean, I just don't get that.
	First of all, to say not everything is fake, it's not some kind of an argument.
	In other words, we're talking about a series of events.
	We could tie them all together and say what they have in common, but we're not saying, quote, everything is fake.
	And that's something that's been used to attack our positions before.
	I've heard it.
	You've probably.
	Yeah.
	It's just, it's, it's tiresome.
	Okay.
	To tell us that some things are real is childish.
	It's childish and massively stupid because you have to look at each individual event.
	And if each individual event turns out to be fake, then those that you've investigated that turn out to be fake are all fake.
	That doesn't mean everything is fake.
	Billions of events are taking place every single day.
	The overwhelming majority are not fake.
	They're all bona fide.
	They're not interesting.
	They don't have any political significance.
	This is a colossally dumb attitude to take, unless you can look at the evidence and show how we're mistaken about those we've investigated.
	And you and I aren't talking off the top of our head.
	I bring together groups of experts to sort out what really happened.
	In the case of Sandy Hook, 13, including the six PhDs, and we established that the school had been closed by 2008, that there were no students or teachers there, and that had been a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to remote gun control, where I even included the FEMA manual for the event as appendix A.
	Now tell me, what we got wrong about calling out Sandy Hook as a stage FEMA drill, Paul.
	I mean, these people are irresponsible to the max.
	Well, again, you know, once the pattern was established, nobody can fault us for making the assumption that this next one is real until it is, excuse me, is staged until proven otherwise.
	And of course, already, I mean, immediately the tells were there.
	I mean, for Christ's sake, the manifesto.
	I mean, it's like they're announcing it to us.
	Okay.
	I mean, the average, you know, nobody had, nobody writes a manifesto.
	Okay.
	Even in my opinion, the Unabomber manifesto is probably fake.
	I don't believe that that was fully authentic, even though it was actually quite interesting.
	I do believe that some of the writings of Eric Rudolph, however, were quite authentic and showed a glimpse into the man's mind and soul.
	And of course, he was not the monster or the boogeyman that everybody made him out to be.
	He was quite a sensitive, intelligent person, but misguided.
	I'm assuming you know who Eric Rudolph is.
	So the Kaczynski, by the way, was a brilliant guy.
	His manifesto would be unsurprising.
	He was an intellectual.
	But we're talking about Cretanist mental midgets here who are supposed to be committing these offenses.
	Well, right.
	No, of course.
	But again.
	They're illiterate.
	They're not capable of putting together a coherent sentence, much less drafting a manifestation that has page after page after page.
	I mean, it's insane.
	Leave alone the fact that, again, as so many of these shootings have revealed, of course, you've done this kind of work.
	Mathis has done this work where he just dives into the databases and finds that in many cases, not only some of the victims, but the perpetrators themselves, the alleged perpetrators, have or had no internet presence, which is just, it's bizarre beyond belief, right?
	In other words, he, you know, Mathis has claimed over and over again that all the databases know who he is, where he went to school, and all the details of his life, just like they have on all of us, right?
	I mean, you can go find out where multiple addresses, where we lived, you know, what we did, so on and so forth.
	But why is it that the perpetrators of some of these shootings, such as Adam Lanzis, seem to be a composite character who prior to the event had no real authentic actual existence?
	So it's just, again, all the tells, like, you know, the work that you've done.
	What did we see, by the way, after Sandy Hook, we saw, it seemed like every, at least every month or two, there was another one.
	Maybe that's a little too frequent, but didn't it seem like there was some periods of time there where it's like we'd have one and then a few weeks later we'd have another?
	Just I think they were trying to overwhelm our senses.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, when they're trying to move in a certain direction politically, they create the events that could affect the public to support their effort.
	Here we have now a mass shooting in Minneapolis followed a pattern that's becoming very familiar.
	And I agree, there is a pattern here of fake stage shootings.
	We'll continue it all from California right after.
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	Well, there's much more to be said.
	The pattern here they claim, let me carry it.
	We have seen this happen way too many times before.
	Over and over again, mass shootings are being committed by deranged individuals who hate conservatives and hate Christians.
	More often than not, the shooters are deeply involved in an alternative sexual lifestyle, and so they view conservatives and Christians as their oppressors.
	Frequently, the shooters have some sort of a personal connection to the particular target that's chosen.
	Of course, in so many of these cases, the mainstream media will completely ignore the real reason why mass shooting has taken place.
	But the American people are not stupid.
	We can all see what is happening.
	And it's time for the mainstream media to start admitting the truth.
	The mass shooting that just occurred in Minneapolis should be a major wake-up call for all of us.
	Paul, what complete rubbish?
	What complete rubbish?
	And I have no doubt it's sincere.
	Who wrote that?
	It says Michael.
	Just the name is Michael.
	Oh, so in other words, so this is an article from somewhere.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's from Citizens Watch report.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah.
	Well, again, you know, it's so, it's so ridiculous.
	You and I live in a world, and along with many others, of course, where we've come to understand the truer nature of the, in many cases, the fake reality.
	And what staggers my mind sometimes is many of these people that we know that are in our, what we would call our, our circle, our group, our club, they're fully on board with all the fakery going back to the mood landings and even before, right?
	I mean, a lot of these people will recognize, yeah, they let the attack on Pearl Harbor happen.
	They knew it was coming.
	They allowed it.
	I mean, et cetera, et cetera.
	9-11.
	They're on board with all these big events being completely faked or staged or hoaxed.
	But yet the news reports a horrendous thing like a school shooting and they just assume, oh, well, that's real.
	And again, how many times do we have to show over and over again that these things are staged and it's a pattern?
	It's a fucking pattern.
	And it seems to me that these people that don't recognize patterns are not the brightest bulbs in the drawer, if you will.
	You mentioned Miles Math as I pulled up his article.
	Minnesota school shooter Robin Westman is a fake.
	First published August 28th, yesterday.
	I'm going to cut right to the chase here.
	Sometimes I'm sick of this.
	What happened to his head?
	I didn't stretch that.
	So what happened?
	It reminds us of the lead wicker of Adam Hohns, a Sandy Hook fake shooter, doesn't it?
	Elongated head.
	Yeah, yeah, stretching it from top to bottom.
	Yeah.
	I didn't stretch it.
	It's straight off the internet.
	It's obviously heavily distorted.
	I actually think for Adam, they just took a skull and did a watercolor to create it.
	Fake somehow, either in Photoshop or by AI.
	I also remind us of what they did with Marilyn Bryant, Martin Bryant, and the Port Arthur fake.
	Completely recreated him in CGI as a nut job.
	So I've done that again here, stretching Westman's head, turning him to some kind of monster tranny to fit the current fraud.
	I guess the event was created by a competing arm at CIA trying to blackwatch trannies or stir your brain.
	Alex Jones gave us the clue today on InfoWars, though he's still selling the event as real in other articles, asking why Democrats are responding with calls for gun control.
	Above that first link, peace, we find the title.
	Massive Minnesota trans cult member's father has worked for 29 years as top-level CIA DOD contractor.
	The Alex Jones show August 28th.
	Why are so many school shooter family members linked to the Intel community?
	Right.
	Now, see, this is an important point to remember.
	This has been occurring over and over again.
	This is all the way back to one of the first papers.
	I think it might have been the very first paper of Miles Mathis I read on the Sharon Tate murders.
	And I never knew until I read that paper, which, in my opinion, is 80-plus pages PDF of absolute brilliant research and insight.
	But yeah, Colonel Paul Tate was in military intelligence.
	And he actually had been stationed in Italy, you know, curiously enough, coincidentally enough, at the time that Operation Gladio was taking place in Italy.
	So, you know, again, there's just all, as one researcher I used to listen to all the time, says more connections than a switchboard.
	And like I said, why is it that all these people have very interesting ties and connections, the ones that actually do exist?
	And why is it that over and over and over again, they're Jewish?
	I mean, it just, it seems to me that's given the reported percentage of the population that Jews comprise, I think it's highly suspicious that over and over again, many of these people involved in these things happen to be of that particular, shall we say, ethnic derivation.
	And here's another one.
	I'll just hammer home real quick, and I'm probably going to go on.
	I'll be on Monday for sure on FTJ, but I'm going to see if I can maybe even come on tonight with Davis to hit this a little bit.
	But, you know, they've talked a lot about MKUltra and the MK-Ultra assassins.
	And neither you or I would contend that they don't exist.
	Okay.
	We're not, I mean, there's no doubt in my mind that Sirhan Sirhan was MKUltra programmed, what they call hypno-programmed.
	But the fact of the matter is, is they couldn't count on him to do it.
	They do this mostly as a diversion, okay, for Patsies.
	In my opinion, that's why I thought that 9-11 was such a farce, the idea that they were going to actually depend on the successful hijacking of four different airplanes, which at first when we believed there was airplanes.
	Now, of course, we know there weren't.
	But just the notion that they were going to carry out an operation that was going to depend upon the success of such a very problematic thing.
	So, you know, therefore, you're going to hypnoprogram this guy to do some school shooting and hope that he does it right and hope that he kills himself afterwards.
	It just, to me, it's just, okay, MKUltra does exist and I'm sure they've employed it, but not time after time after time after time in all these school shootings.
	I just, I can't buy it.
	Just for the sake of clarity, what you intended by no planes is that all four of the alleged 9-11 crash sites were fabricated or faked in one way or another, which is everyone wants to see that.
	Brooke, check me out on Thursday when I give my presentation in relation to the Richard Gage on Tuesday and then our discussion together on Saturday.
	Miles continues.
	James Allen Wesman worked as a senior application developer at ESSRI, the leading original geospatial satellite ground mapping, GPS coordinates and somewhere Pentagon, Google, and CIA.
	He's been there almost 30 years.
	He's now 62, making him rather old to be the father of a 23-year-old shooter.
	Alex then shows you that Westman's wife, Mary Grace Westman, worked for a spooky Church of the Annunciation in Minneapolis for many years, the same church where her son allegedly killed people.
	The parish was established in 1922.
	The first mass was celebrated October 1st, 1922, at the community house located at 4301 Pealsbury Avenue, South.
	The parish then moved to a store at 54th and Garfield.
	A combination church, school, and convent was built by the first pastor, F.J. Lang, and masses moved to the new church October 18, 2025.
	A rectory first occupied in December 2023.
	Yeah, Paul.
	Yeah, I was going to say, these are pretty uninteresting details for the average listener, but if you want to get to the point where he shows all the Jewish people as spokespeople persons of the Jewish people writing articles about this, it's just, you know, that's of interest.
	As you see, Aces and AIDS all over that did over this.
	The Britbett killed two children, ages 8 and 10, and injured 18 others, 15 children, and 3 adults, parishioners in their 80s.
	Notice that parallel with Sandy Hook, except we got 20 children killed and six adults.
	Official did not immediately release the names of the deceased children.
	However, they were identified by their families as 10-year-old Harper Moisk and 8-year-old Fletcher Merkel.
	Two Jewish names.
	As in the Jewish Angela Merkel and the Moiski, what are the effing odds?
	Jewish kids going to mass at a Catholic school?
	According to Instant Checkmate and Raderis, Mary Grace Westman now lives in Naples, Florida.
	So maybe she didn't approve of this project.
	Her maiden name is Wilson.
	She's now 67.
	So she was 44 when she gave birth to Robin.
	Unlikely, yes.
	How many 67-year-old women give birth?
	How many 67-year-old women are even having sex?
	All his siblings are much older.
	The Westmans are related to the Gordons, the Denelskis, the Heims, the Bergers, telling us the usual thing.
	Mainly, they're all Jewish.
	Roderas and Instant Jackmate with their pages for Robert Westman 23.
	But curiously, neither site links him to his own parents, either from his page or their pages, indicating that they may have made him up completely like Adam Lanza, perhaps using old pictures of his siblings.
	Adam Lanza never existed, being nothing but a ghost graded from his older brother Ryan.
	And remember, Lanza's father is a top executive GE, GE being a huge military contractor.
	But back to the old church of the Annunciation.
	Effective July 1st, 2025.
	Dennis Zarin became the church's pastor.
	Hmm.
	Interesting, a guy with a Jewish name became the fake pastor of a Catholic congregation just a month ago.
	This reminds me of my paper on the fake church shooting in Madison, Wisconsin, late last year, which involved the Abundant Life Christian Academy, part of the spooky fellowship of Christian assemblies, which I showed you looked like yet another CIA front.
	And we previously taught churches, cathedrals, and tabernacles in New York City and D.C., taken over by Intel and turned into propaganda outlets.
	We can be sure this had been done in all the major cities and most of the minors.
	See, for example, my paper on the Golden Suicides, which involves St. Mark's fake church in the Bowery.
	We also see Major Spook William Sloane Coffin, admittedly CIA, ran the fake Riverside Church in New York City.
	I have hit him in several papers.
	Oh, and our James Westman has links to Madison since he worked there as well.
	Alex then rushes you past the question you just asked about why we find the CIA links in these events.
	Alex Jones, by the way.
	Yeah, focusing instead on the Tranny question, but I push you back to the original.
	Why are so many school shooter family members linked to the Intel community?
	Isn't it obvious by now?
	Even if I had blown the cover of all of them, unwind the piece by piece, you should have figured it out by now.
	They all linked the military and CI because they are all military and CIA projects.
	Just like all the fake serial killers, all the school shooters, government fiction sold as real.
	So this is a point sitting on for a moment because this is not the first time there's been many other instances.
	But of course, Mathis covered this quite thoroughly in his paper on the Sharon Tate fraud, right?
	Where not only Sharon Tate's father, Colonel Paul Tate, was in military intelligence, but many of the other alleged perpetrators, such as Susan Atkins, I believe Leslie Krenwickle, also another one, skateboard.
	I think it might have been Squeaky From, but I could be wrong.
	But there was several of these girls that had very interesting families or backgrounds, including members of the military.
	So what Mathis has made the point, and others have joined him on this, is that these people used family members for these events.
	And it's probably a solid bet because they know them and they can trust them.
	And it's like, okay, it's all in the family.
	So there can be no doubt.
	Most people would buy the fact that the military and the intelligence agencies will stage various events for political and propaganda purposes.
	People would buy that premise.
	So I would just urge anybody and everybody to just still your mind for a second as in still STI, make your mind still and just start looking at some of these things and digesting them and saying, what purpose does this serve?
	Because it really does seem to me they're always trying to make it the most outlandish thing possible, a school or a church or a synagogue.
	So outrageous.
	We can't have these guns in our society.
	Well, I think, Jim, you and I, and I'm sure millions of other Americans are pretty darn sure what's going to happen after they try to take away all our guns.
	That's right.
	It's a death knell.
	This is to sell you police security, antidepressant guns, pepper gear, and a thousand other things you don't need.
	Alex is right about one thing, though.
	This is about installing a police state.
	As part of the rollout for Evermore Security, they are proposing getting AI involved in policing.
	I'm now about to launch Gideon America's first ever AI threat detection blackboard bill specifically for law enforcement, Cohen said, adding it scrapes the internet 24-7 using an Israeli grade technology, all praise to Israel, to pull specific threat language and then route it to local law enforcement.
	It's a 24-7 detective.
	It never sleeps and it's going to get out in front of these attacks.
	Cohen had it.
	Note the name.
	This would be published by Kohan.
	And then it adds about what we find in the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
	Church school at Center of Shooting is a South Minneapolis landmark, of course.
	Annunciation Church has served South Minneapolis for over 100 years.
	The school rolls kids in preschool through eighth grade.
	Isn't it coincidence this Catholic story being led in Minneapolis by two Jewish ladies?
	Well, here's another coincidence from ABC.
	Minneapolis shooting, eight-year-old and ten-year-old killed, 17 others hurt at Catholic school.
	The shooter died at the scene from a self-inflicted gunshot wound by Emily Shapirovo.
	How do I find those so fast?
	They're the first two articles footnoted in Wikipedia.
	Anyway, I watched a whole video by Alex Joe and the Ohio School shooter from CIA families, and guess what?
	He never gets around to asking that question.
	He doesn't pursue it at all.
	Because, of course, if you pursue it, if you ask maybe, just maybe the CIA is running these events.
	And no, I don't mean CIA is training kids to kill Christians.
	I mean, CIA is using its own family to manufacture these fictional stories.
	Why?
	I have told you that too.
	It kills two birds with one stone because beyond this being part of a gigantic and long-running chaos, it can fake the death of this kid and he can go into CIE like his father, but undercover.
	Do you see how that works?
	If Robin Westman exists, a fake death is a perfect cover for any covert CIA program.
	Isn't it?
	We saw the same thing a few days ago with Mondar Cox comrade, Meredith Kirscher, who went into CI MI6.
	So this is now in the can as well.
	I will not waste any more time on it since a fake shooter's father being CIA is the only clue you need to have to solve this.
	Paul, I think that's very good.
	Well, I certainly didn't intend for you to read the entire paper on air, but of course, that's sometimes what we do, what you do.
	I think it's worth noting, too, that term, which I think you said technology, but you meant to pronounce it correctly, ontology.
	So what the hell is Israeli grade ontology?
	You know, I mean, just this notion that these people are going to be scouring all the internet full time to, quote, get ahead of these events.
	And, you know, this guy makes this announcement right on the heels of this shooting.
	Oh, I kind of surprised Miles to include another Intel agency that could be behind this, which, of course, obviously is Mossad.
	They're far more likely, actually, even than CIA or much less MI6.
	Meanwhile, for those who want to learn how to size these things up, check out my law enforcement false language agent at Checklist, co-authored with Brian Davidson, who's a private investigator from Houston.
	You can download it where I give you indicators how you can tell what's going on and links to a whole lot of studies that expose you especially want to watch how to spot a false flag, which is in its original version in two parts.
	But I did a subsequent with Catherine Horton in four, where Catherine added many insights and observations.
	This is going through Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, Orlando, Parkland, Las Vegas.
	Believe me, in short clips, you'll understand how they fake these things.
	And if you want to go deeper into Sandy Hook, you want to check out my presentation, Sandy Hook, what we know now that we didn't know then from 10 February 2024.
	It's utterly fascinating because members who'd actually participated in the FEMA drill reached out to me because they didn't like the way I was being beat up in the courts here in Dane County.
	They sent me additional proof that the whole thing was staged and fake.
	It turns out that Eric Holder came to Newtown in 2006, which turns out to be the year the school was closed, 2006, and offered the community $114 million if they'd participate in this event to illustrate what could happen if we don't take guns away from the American people.
	They had auditions for roles.
	They signed non-disclosure agreements.
	They continue to receive benefits to this day, including paying no taxes, free college tuition.
	Now, the parties who reached out to me included the little girl who was cast as Emily Parker, the little blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl whose alleged sisters, they were actually her cousins, wound up on the lab of Barack Obama, and Victoria Soto, who was a teacher who was alleged to have given her life to save her kids.
	But of course, they're very much alive and well.
	We had numerous communications over a three-year period.
	They recently, and this is about three months ago, threw me under the bus because they're all in for Israel.
	And I am supportive of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Iran.
	And when there was a petition sent to the United Nations General Assembly with my name on it published on my blog, they notified me that I was now on my own and basically cut off relations.
	But they were wonderful.
	I love them.
	There were three.
	The Emily, the Victoria, and Steve Lucia was a mutual friend who had actually reached out to me.
	And most of my conversation were with Steve about the activities of Emily and Victoria and himself.
	You can learn the whole story, see photographs of themselves.
	They sent me Sandy Hook.
	We know now what we didn't know, what we know now that we didn't know then 10 February.
	And let me just add too: I am doing a course on conspiracy theories in 9-11 beginning this Wednesday, this coming Wednesday.
	It's a 15-week college-level course that includes extensive discussion, extensive discussion of Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, and much more.
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	Then we begin with the assassination of JFK, the use of fabricated evidence, on then the atrocities of 9-11, violating the laws of physics, and the moon landing, how we know we didn't go.
	Then there's a winter break on the 5th, which I can try because Steve was planning to marry Victoria and asked me to be his best man.
	I take it that's now no longer my participation.
	Yeah, yeah, I was eager to do it.
	But Paul, after the winter break, Senator Paul Wellstone, accident and assassination, Sandy Hook, designing events for emotional impact, then Nice, Orlando, Parkland, Charlottesville, Las Vegas, then Pizzagate.
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	Paul, I thank you so much for your excellent commentary.
	We'll be right back after this break with Sophia Smallstorm.
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	Well, it's always a pleasure to feature Sophia Smallstorm once again.
	We've been having a series of conversations about the lifestyle and private events of the Kennedy family.
	And Sophia's been digging deep and reading a lot of fascinating stuff, some of which is rather obscure, aspects of which are extraordinarily sordid and tawdry.
	I mean, there are issues here she's going to be reluctant to address in detail because they're a bit, I don't know, what would be the right word?
	Salacious isn't strong enough.
	Sylvia, welcome back.
	Hi, Jim.
	Thank you for giving me this invitation to continue.
	Yeah, you and I have been talking every couple of days or maybe even every day.
	You're getting updates.
	And I have to say, you know, I'm not really digging.
	I'm reading a book by Darwin Porter.
	And this is, I think, I have now four Darwin Porter books.
	I don't know where he gets this stuff.
	I have to say that this book on Jackie Kennedy pretty much parallels the one I discussed last time we were talking on a show, which was Jackie After Jack by Christopher Anderson.
	So this book is pretty much modeled in line with that one, but Porter has more, as you call it, tawdry, which is a very mild way of putting it, information.
	And I think this is because Porter somehow managed to get information from this Johnny Meyer, who was the, you know, pimp, some people called him, right-hand man, aide to Howard Hughes.
	And after that, he was hired for the same position by Aristotle Onassis.
	And both Hughes and Onassis were extraordinarily wealthy men, right?
	Hughes, maybe even more so than Onassis.
	Onassis had Olympic Airlines, which didn't really compare to TWA, which Hughes then had to divest himself from.
	But Onassis was a very colorful character.
	And I have to say here that I'm of two minds about doing this show because I don't want to be connected with this kind of information.
	It's not my usual cup of tea.
	I'm only reading it because I bought the book.
	I have to finish it.
	And I have put it down for long periods of time.
	And I haven't even touched the other book, The Kennedys, All the Gossip Unfit to Print.
	I opened it and read a couple of pages, but I don't know if I can stomach that one.
	So the thing is, though, all told, we have to understand, Jim, and I have to extend this to Shakespearean actors on the British stage.
	All these people high above our heads that we admire, they're in roles of leadership, they're in, they comment on our lives, they write about us, you know, these best-selling, famous,
	I don't even know, dancers, authors, politicians, actors, actresses, they operate along very different lines than we do, especially when it comes to their sexual lives.
	This is what I've concluded.
	And ordinary people, I don't think, are like this on the whole.
	I mean, ordinary people have the aspiration.
	I think I'm making a giant generalization of, you know, you get good grades in school and then you go to college and then you marry and then you buy a house and then you have a family and maybe you move somewhere into a bigger house.
	But that's kind of the American dream, right?
	Wouldn't you say?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And as a child, I always wondered why do these people marry multiple times, these actors and actresses, they're married and divorced multiple times.
	And I thought, oh, well, you know, maybe they get tired of each other, but they appear not to consider matrimony to be as committed as the rest of us do.
	And they can buy each other off more easily.
	Other people, ordinary people, you know, they can't divorce because sometimes they can't afford to be divorced and live in two different domiciles.
	Of course, it has increased now the rate of divorce over the last 30, 40 years.
	But where politics was concerned in JFK's age, you could not get divorced and be a president, right?
	Which is why he kind of had to marry Jackie.
	But when Jackie lost John F. Kennedy, which was a complete surprise to her, and she cried and cried and cried for weeks and weeks and weeks, as reported by her little daughter, Caroline, to her nursery school teachers, I now don't think she was crying that JFK was dead.
	This is my personal opinion, not the opinion of Revolution Radio, not in the Darwin Porter book.
	I just think she was blabbergasted and freaked out and destroyed and devastated as to what she was going to do with the rest of her life, that this rug had been pulled out from under her because she and JFK had, you know, waxed on musing many nights about what they would do after 1968,
	when they expected he would be elected again in 64, and then they would have four more years in the White House and to invite artistes and people of note to have dinners and whatnot.
	But this all ended rudely in November 1963, right?
	So if I might interject, I've read that Jack actually had an earlier marriage, which they had to have annulled.
	I don't believe it endured long, but have you run over across that in your research?
	Yes, we talked about that.
	Unfortunately, this book is packed with so many names and it's not indexed that I have forgotten her name, but he did have a marriage before Jackie and that was annulled.
	And that's another thing.
	You know, you can just get a marriage annulled and then it doesn't count, right?
	You were never married.
	You were no, it didn't happen.
	The fact is it did happen, but in the eyes of the church, it didn't happen.
	And that's, I guess, what was important to people of the Catholic faith at the time.
	But Jackie wanted the best repairing that was humanly possible on earth.
	And she got, as I mentioned in a previous show, according to Porter, there were 2,000 books written on the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
	And Jackie got the same number of marriage proposals, 2,000.
	Yeah.
	2,000.
	And I wonder if any of them were from the authors of those books, right?
	I've got a couple hundred.
	I can't vouch for 2,000, but I got a couple hundred in my library right here now.
	I can read off.
	Oh, I thought you were going to say you got a couple hundred marriage proposals.
	No, no, no, no.
	And it's fascinating.
	And Jackie, I think you're right.
	Was weeping because her whole style of life had now been ripped out from under her by the assassination.
	Yeah, just a token of realism about Jackie's true character, which you can elaborate at laying.
	Go right ahead.
	Yeah, and I was just paging through this book while I was waiting for our section to start, only I didn't mark it.
	Apparently, Jackie was upset because John F. Kennedy did not provide for her well enough.
	And she complained about this to Teddy.
	She said, Jack didn't.
	I found the page, page 572.
	Jackie complained to Teddy, Jack did not adequately provide for me.
	She had purchased her Fifth Avenue apartment from funds derived from the sale of their home in Georgetown.
	JFK wanted her to receive only $150,000 a year with the understanding that if she remarried, that annual stipend would automatically be diverted to Caroline and John Jr.
	Recognizing that she'd need more, Teddy was instrumental in getting Bobby to promise to supplement that income with an additional allowance of $50,000 every year.
	Still, that was only $200,000 a year from the Kennedy estate, right?
	And Teddy complained to Rose, his mother, and others, I love Jackie dearly, but she doesn't know how to live on a budget.
	So she solved that problem by marrying Onassis.
	And Christina Onassis estimated after Onassis's death, she firmly refused to let him divorce her because she charged everything to Olympic Airlines.
	That was his airline company.
	And he already gave her a massive monthly allowance.
	I think it was like 30,000 a month, and you know, diamond bracelets on her breakfast tray and stuff like this.
	But she spent, I think it was $7 million a year of Onassis's money for the seven years that she was with him.
	$7 million?
	Yes.
	Sophia, how did she spend that kind of money?
	I mean, what in the world was she doing?
	Well, she was redecorating.
	She redecorated furiously.
	And that was the case in their house in Georgetown.
	Every few weeks, she painted some room a new color and put new fabrics.
	And I was reading about her early years in a book by Donald Spoto, which I guess I bought a long time ago because I found it here.
	And it's not one I bought recently.
	And he's a very good writer, Donald Spoto.
	He details the very opulent lifestyle that people had in the roaring 20s in New York, where they lived on Park Avenue or Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.
	And, you know, her father, John Bouvier, Blackjack Bouvier, as people called him, was on the New York stock, had a seat on the New York Stock Exchange, but he did miserably.
	Now, he made $7 million in the decade of the 1920s, I just read today, but he wasted it all.
	He actually was in the red every year.
	He spent more.
	So think about $7 million, how much that money was for 10 years in the 20s, and that he managed to spend all of it plus more.
	And he had to have his father bail him out.
	And then when his father's money shrank from 8 million to 4 million after the, in 1929, Lee, which was his wife's father, Mr. Lee, I forget his first name, gave Blackjack Bouvier and his daughter Janet an apartment.
	I think it was 740 Park Avenue.
	And that's where Jackie grew up with country life in the summers and off-season holidays in Long Island, on Long Island, at this beautiful estate called La Sata, L-A-S-A-T-A.
	Now, get this, I didn't realize this, but of course, because I didn't live then.
	People changed their clothes several times a day in the summer, the rich, because it was so hot.
	And so they had to have maids and servants constantly washing and ironing and taking stains out of their clothes.
	And they changed.
	JFK wore three suits a day while he was in the White House.
	And that was whether it was hot or cold.
	And that was 1960.
	But in the 1910s and 20s, they were changing their clothes all the time because there was no air conditioning.
	So they had to have a lot of servants to do that.
	And Jackie lived very opulently as a child.
	So she was used to the finest of crystal and furniture.
	And now, here's what's interesting, Jim.
	This is just a side note from me.
	The three most talked about women in the, let's say, 1960s, 70s were Jackie Kennedy, Jacqueline Bouvier, Marilyn Monroe, and Elizabeth Taylor.
	And remember, I mentioned this to you the other day.
	Where do those last names originate from?
	We got Taylor, we got Baker, Norma Jean Baker, and Bouvier means Cowherd.
	So Taylor, Baker, and Cowherd became the most famous women in the world.
	And they all had modest historical origins in those trades.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, Jackie took on Onassis.
	She received $3 million upon marrying him.
	Now, remember, she had stashed $1 million from Joe Kennedy for remaining with JFK in spite of all of his philandering.
	It took a million dollars of Kennedy money to keep her there.
	And then she got $3 million from Onassis to marry him.
	And then when he died, the first thing Teddy Kennedy came to attend the funeral, and the Greeks were mad because Jackie was grinning from ear to ear at the funeral, very much unlike her behavior at her former husband's funeral.
	And the first thing Teddy said in the limousine as they left the, I don't know, the funeral setting, he said to Christina, now it's time to take care of Jackie.
	And Christina, the daughter, was very offended.
	And there was a bitter struggle between her and Teddy Kennedy to figure out an amount.
	By Greek law, the widow gets, I think it's 12.5% of the dead husband's estate.
	And there was this huge fight with lawyers because the husband is supposed to write his will at one location in one sitting, but Ari wrote it on a plane, right?
	So he was not in one location.
	He was moving over locations.
	And they tried to nullify that will, and there was a huge fight.
	Anyway, she ended up getting 125 million.
	She was supposed to get 125 million.
	She ended up getting 20 million and 6 million for taxes.
	So she had quite a bit of money.
	And the third man she took up with in 19 in the early 1980s, and he moved in with her in 1982, was Maurice Templesman, who gave her a lot of financial advice and increased her 20 or 30 million if she had not spent the other monies that she obtained to 200 at least.
	My inference would be she and Templesman didn't have an intimate relationship.
	Jim, that's what everybody thought.
	Frank Sinatra had something rude to say about that.
	You know, they all considered, they considered Aristotle a toad and Templesman an old fuddy duddy.
	His wife would not divorce him, Lily, so he moved from their apartment in New York into Jackie's.
	But see, here's the thing: Templesman was from Belgium.
	He was an Orthodox Jew from Belgium.
	Jackie loved money and he was a financial wizard.
	He was worth something like 600 million himself.
	And Jackie loved money.
	Everybody who knew her said that about her.
	And Maurice Templesman had plenty of it and knew how to build money.
	And he spoke French.
	And they spoke French together.
	How Jackie charmed the French when she traveled to Europe with JFK and he returned to say he had a company.
	Jacqueline Kennedy Taveras.
	Yeah, she was a sensation in Europe.
	Sylvia, as everyone knows.
	Yeah, I mean, she's a very striking, very beautiful woman, also very photogenic.
	But, you know, Onassis's kids, now, again, I don't want to seem a gossip, but I'm really kind of shocked by what I'm reading in this book.
	And I will share some things as long as people understand that I don't, I have never come across information like this before, and I don't really know how to digest it.
	And I feel like I need to take a shower after I read this stuff.
	You know, here's the thing: I have to tell people.
	So I read a really gross thing in this book.
	It was so gross that I didn't know what to do.
	I couldn't keep it to myself.
	I had to tell somebody to get it off my chest.
	And who do I call?
	Jim Fetzer.
	And I go, Jim, you're not going to believe what I just read.
	I don't even know who to share it with.
	And Jim, Jim, you know what you said to me?
	You were so sweet.
	You said, share it with me.
	Share it with me.
	You know, generously, embracing my pain.
	And then when I told you, you couldn't believe it either.
	Right?
	Pretty gross.
	Very gross.
	But the reason I think it's important, Jim, is because I don't even know if I'll get around to explaining it in this show because our time is whizzing by, but I'm going to try.
	It kind of explains the core of pedophilia to me anyway.
	It goes deeper than anything I've ever heard.
	And in a way, I'm glad that I know it for that reason.
	So what is missing from this whole Epstein thing?
	We know it's pedophilia, but there are really ugly, ugly angles to pedophilia that are not present in any of this Epstein material.
	And I'm writing a newsletter about that now.
	And I don't know that we'll ever hear that because the Epstein story is being covered by mainstream media right now, and they tend to avoid this kind of depth.
	So, and I'm talking about Satanism.
	I'm talking about real, real cruelty.
	And I'm going to give you an example of something very extreme.
	So, Alexander Onassis's children despised Jackie, both of them, Christina and Alexander, who's a bit younger.
	And they knew what she was after.
	She was after their father's money, and their father loved celebrities.
	Jackie was pretty much at the top of the totem pole where women celebrities were concerned.
	And that was a big inducement for him to marry her.
	And three months after he married her, he told his kids, I think I made a huge mistake, because partly because of her enormous spending habits, enormous.
	You couldn't keep her in line.
	So now, interestingly, Alexander Aristotle, the father, spent 200,000 annually on his daughter, lavishing her with clothes, travel, and jewelry.
	I'm reading a photographic subheading, photograph subheading from the Darwin Porter book.
	But to teach his son the value of money, he monitored his expenses and gave him only $12,000 a year as an employee of Olympic Airlines.
	So Alexander was very upset with his father.
	And Jackie's got seven mil and he's got 12,000.
	I mean, Jackie's got 7 million going.
	Christina has 200,000 going, plus probably other perks.
	And poor Alexander has 12,000 a year.
	You can see this could generate a certain degree of resentment.
	Yeah, so apparently it is said in this book that Aristotle Onassis, his worst enemy was Bobby Kennedy because both of those men loved or wanted Jackie, let's just say, wanted.
	And Bobby Kennedy agreed to end his intimate relationship with Jackie because he wanted to run for president and you couldn't be doing stuff like that.
	He had to be totally loyal to Ethel and Jackie and he had to stop holding hands at every family gathering, right?
	But so now there's a guy, an author, called Peter Evans, who published a book, Nemesis, which I mentioned to you yesterday.
	And Darwin Porter says it caused massive speculation.
	Evans had been a foreign correspondent for the London Daily Express.
	He spent years investigating the love triangle of Jackie, Bobby, and Ari.
	The two men were deadly enemies, bitter competitors, spinning around the favors of one woman, Jacqueline Kennedy.
	So also, it appears that Bobby Kennedy had barred Onassis from trading with the United States because of Onassis's shady dealings.
	And this really enraged Onassis and provoked his undying hatred of Bobby.
	So in this book written by Peter Evans, he states that Aristotle Onassis was at the heart of the plot to kill Bobby Kennedy.
	And you asked me what I thought about that.
	I don't know.
	I mean.
	No, no, yeah, no, no.
	It was the most idea that Bobby was going to resurrect.
	Bobby wanted the Jewish lobbyists to register as foreign age and suicide Mossad yet.
	Not Aristotle Onassis.
	I think he's clean concerning Bobby's death, and we may have been happy about it.
	He did not bring it about.
	Okay, so let's just give this the benefit of the doubt for now.
	So apparently, because his father kept him on this meager financial leash or this very tight financial leash of meager money, Alexander Onassis was collecting information that tied his father to Bobby Kennedy's death, supposedly.
	And he kept it in a vault.
	And then Alexander had an untimely death himself.
	He was testing.
	We have a break.
	We'll be right back with Sophia Smallstorm.
	I would add CIA and FBI were also complicit in the death of poor FK.
	We'll be right back.
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	now we return you to your host okay jim you ready Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, so according to this book, Johnny Meyer, who was the aide to Aristotle Onassis after he served Howard Hughes, he collected a lot of information on his employers.
	And when Onassis died in 1975, which was after Ari died, Meyer returned to America and lived in Florida.
	He realized that with both his former employers, he might make some serious money by selling, with the help of a ghostwriter, some of the most explosive revelations to the tabloids.
	And he wanted to sell his information on Ari's financing of Bobby's assassination, which he apparently fielded out of Alexander's safe.
	Alexander, after his death, Onassis dispatched Meyer to Alexander's apartment in Monaco and said, get in that safe and take out everything he's collected about me related to Bobby.
	So anyway, before, this is what Darren Porter says.
	Before Meyer began serious negotiations with the media, he was killed mysteriously in an accident.
	Now think of Robert Maxwell, all right?
	Ghillane's father.
	After leaving a party, Meyer was said to have parked his car on an incline and gotten out to relieve himself, a common enough occurrence in the world.
	But instead of urinating by the side of his car, he was said to have stood in front of the car.
	Somehow the brake was released and the car rolled over him, crushing him.
	Death was instant.
	Pretty nasty.
	Okay, the speculation was that someone, perhaps a person riding beside him or hiding in the back seat, had stepped on the gas with or without assaulting him before setting the car in motion.
	All right.
	So there you go.
	Another weird death.
	People who die weird deaths, you know, we have to like put them in a special page of our arsenal information arsenal.
	Exit a key witness.
	Yeah.
	But this is the strange, weird story on Alexander, who despised Jackie along with his sister, Christina, who despised Jack.
	When we first returned, that it would be unsurprising if his pent-up rage against Jackie, his anger, his resentment of his father, would not lead to sexual aggression, as you're now going to explain.
	I think it's totally psychologically realistic, utterly to the last degree.
	Okay, good.
	I'm glad you think so.
	So Alexander and Jackie were alone on the Scorpios Island.
	That's the small island that Onassis owned.
	And there were servants around, but all the other family members were gone for whatever reason.
	And Jackie was, as she often did, sunbathing in the nude in a small private little garden.
	And Alexander walks in on her and he's totally nude.
	And he forces himself on her and rapes her.
	And first she was taken aback, but then she relented and he gave her multiple orgasms.
	Now, this to me is very strange.
	That's how much he hated her, he said.
	I find it all very credible, Sophie.
	Honestly, psychologically, physiologically, the tension between them.
	I think it to me has the ring of truth.
	Yes.
	And, you know, interestingly, Jackie had involvements with a lot of men, a lot of men.
	Even while she was with JFK, she had a few revenge relationships.
	And after JFK, she was very fond of Rudolf Nuriev, the dancer who defected from the Soviet Union.
	Russian ballet.
	Russian ballet.
	And she had actually invited him and Margot Fontaine, who was his dancing partner.
	She was considerably older than he was.
	She's a British ballerina and also considered the top ballerina in the world.
	Jackie had invited them both to the White House for tea.
	And Nureyev, or Nuriev, as you might say it, created a relationship with her after JFK died.
	And she asked Nureyev, when she was an editor at Doubleday, if he would write his memoirs.
	And he said no.
	And he said, my memoirs, memoirs would have to be truthful, not a pack of lies.
	And so he refused.
	He said, if I wrote my memoirs, I would harm you and I would harm other members of your family.
	So I think he had dalliances with other Kennedys as well.
	They also had great integrity, Sophia.
	I mean, that was the right thing to do.
	Yes.
	Now, Jackie had a friendship with Michael Jackson.
	This is very weird.
	So I asked you this last night.
	Why did Michael Jackson decide to lighten his skin and sharpen his nose and all of that?
	And you said because he wanted to look like Diana Ross.
	And I said, no.
	At one time, he apparently wanted to look like Diana Ross, but then he changed it to Jackie.
	He admired Jackie more than anyone else.
	And he wanted to look like her.
	This is a psychotic condition, Sophia.
	This is absolutely abnormal.
	And by the way, you admitted that Ari and Alexander afterward boasted about bringing Jackie to Orgasm multiple times.
	I mean, he was very proud of it.
	And it was very much a Greek thing, in my opinion.
	It all sounds absolutely accurate to me.
	Yeah, he boasted, I think, that he actually raped his, it's just his stepmother.
	So, all right.
	So Jackie was fascinated with Michael Jackson.
	And you left out, by the way, Maria Callas, who of course was Aristotle's actual real love in life.
	It wasn't Jacqueline.
	She was just, you know, window dressing.
	She was just a status symbol.
	She was the trophy wife.
	Alexander also assaulted Maria Callas.
	Yes, in her apartment in Paris, and Maria just kept screaming Aristotle's name while Alexander was on top of her because this was the youthful Aristotle that she never had because Aristotle was rather old.
	So anyway.
	And she liked it.
	They all liked it, I guess.
	Yeah, but they said Jackie.
	I mean, the orgasm that this might have been the most satisfying sexual experience of her life, Sophia.
	Who?
	For Jackie and Maria?
	No, I don't think so.
	Come on.
	Jackie had so many men that were.
	Yeah, but I'll bet the majority did not bring her to orgasm.
	I'll bet it was perfunctory.
	I think at our last conversation, you said having sex with Jackie was like having sex with a youthful young man, you know.
	That's what one person said.
	I mean, I've just repeated bits and pieces to you over the weeks.
	But yeah, Michael Jackson was very excited when Jackie called him to propose that he write his memoirs for $300,000 for Double Day.
	And he just poo-pooed it.
	He said, in the music world, we count in millions, right?
	Not hundreds of thousands.
	But he did it anyway.
	And she found that it was extremely weak.
	She was very annoyed with the poor quality.
	She said she listened to Michael's endless demands and insecurities about the project.
	She also read one disappointing chapter after another.
	Finally, in despair, she told her staff, dealing with the mercurial Mr. Jackson is like being in a train wreck, worse, an airplane crash.
	But the book, which was Moonwalk, and Jackie was the editor of the book that was released by Doubleday, was sold half a million copies in 14 countries.
	That's how crazy people were about Michael Jackson.
	Yes.
	So Michael Jackson was also very friendly with Elizabeth Taylor, and Jackie was continually asking him for details about Elizabeth Taylor because she was very envious of Elizabeth Taylor, as was Marilyn Monroe.
	So we had Taylor, Cowherd, and Baker jealous of one another, right?
	Pretty funny.
	All right.
	So what's interesting is after Michael and Jackie started talking on the phone, a staff member at Doubleday says it became a love fest.
	Jackie and Michael were practically cooing at each other.
	I couldn't tell where Jackie's whispery voice ended and Michael's whispery voice began.
	Fascinating.
	Yeah, and this is the whole thing.
	All these fake voice affects are called the false feminine.
	Have you ever heard about this, Jim?
	All right, so two famous women clinicians.
	One was Carol Gilligan and the other one was Louise Kaplan, who is a psychiatrist.
	I believe Carol Gilligan was a psychologist.
	And they wrote about female-female impersonation.
	Carol Gilligan called it the false feminine, and Kaplan called it female-female impersonation.
	So there are men who impersonate women.
	And by the way, I'll get into this.
	I'm watching the time.
	Let's hope I can have the guts to spill these beans by the end of the show.
	But Aristotle Onassis attended a lot of very freakish nightclubs all over the world.
	And he paid for sex changes for transvestites and transsexuals to impersonate women.
	And they say that these kind of impersonators actually do a better job at dancing and being beautiful women than women themselves, right?
	So Aristotle Onassis was very into some very weird stuff.
	But anyway, what was I saying right before this, Jim?
	I've scared myself that I'm not going to spill the beans.
	I can't remember.
	Michael Jackson and she just.
	What?
	Whispering, the whispering conversation between them.
	Yeah.
	So Jackie and Michael Jackson, Jackie and Widolf Nouriev, Jackie, Jackie felt that she knew gays.
	Nouriev was kind of bisexual, but also very, very gay.
	And she had this extended family member, Gore Vidal, who was famously gay.
	By the way, I sent you information on Paul Newman, who had a complete shadow life going on in parallel to his marriage with Joanne Woodward and the children that he had.
	And Gore Vidal was one of his interests, along with Robert Redford, who appears to have been his real interest.
	And who'd have funk, right, after Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, what that would lead to?
	Jackie always said about, oh, so Peter Lawford repeated this.
	He said that I have never known Jackie to be so intrigued with someone's sexual orientation.
	She was one of the most sophisticated women in the world.
	Both she and Lee, her sister, included many homosexuals, especially those in the arts, among their best friends.
	Truman Capoji, Rudolf Nureyev.
	Jackie even had a distant kinship with gay author Gore Vidal.
	She confided to Lawford, who was to die the following year, that when I first met Michael Jackson in New York in the late 1970s, I just assumed he was gay, but he hadn't admitted that to himself yet.
	After seeing him so many years later on his home turf in Encino, I figured, I think he's figured out that he's gay, but his gayness, I suspect, has a strange twist to it.
	And Lawford asked her what she meant, and she said, it's not like two handsome men who look like Paul Newman and Rock Hudson getting together.
	I have great intuition about these matters.
	Michael is gay, but his gayness is different.
	There's something fishy going on here, something he's hiding from the world, something that will never be revealed in Moonwalk, his book.
	The book will hardly be a candid confession, but a glossy, glitzy thing, Michael's mythology of himself.
	But in spite of what I've said, I predict it will be a bestseller.
	So she was kind of right.
	And he said, he said, Michael Jackson, that at 25, he still was a virgin and had never been kissed on the mouth.
	That's what he said.
	And unfortunately, that has certain other aspects.
	Yeah.
	We know that the Jackson 5.
	I can believe Michael Jackson was actually a virgin that he never had a woman.
	I can believe it.
	That definition, yeah.
	But we know from other sources that the Jackson 5 had some very brutal, painful treatment as small children.
	And we'll just leave it at that.
	Yeah, bad stuff.
	So, yeah, Aristotle Onassis was also.
	I'm going to get into this because we don't have that much time, and otherwise, I'll be considering myself a coward.
	But Aristotle Onassis was actually born in Turkey, but he was part of a Greek minority population in Turkey.
	And there was a lot of unrest and just violent treatment of Greeks when he was a child.
	Greeks were actually hanged and burned.
	And I read in this book, I'm going to try to find it, that the streets smelled of burning Greek flesh.
	It was bad.
	And so he escaped Smyrna, which was the Turkish part of Turkey, eventually.
	But before he did, his family home was invaded by the Greek military, the Turkish military.
	And his father was put in a prison, and his mother was, I don't know where she went.
	I'm still trying to look for this place in the book.
	But anyway, get to this.
	It's here.
	So poor Aristotle was 16, and the Turkish general, who was accompanied by a very handsome lieutenant, I found it, page 593, requisitioned the Onassis house, kicking out the old grandmother who went to live with relatives.
	But the general and his lieutenant ordered Ari to stay, especially when they learned that he spoke perfect Turkish.
	He was a reasonably attractive boy back then.
	And that is true.
	When you see pictures of the young Aristotle Onassis, he was burly, but he was rough, tough, handsome-looking.
	So the general and lieutenant needed a servant boy, someone to cook for them and bathe them at night after heating the water.
	And Porter writes here: before the dawn of the next morning, Ari had been introduced to sodomy.
	So he then kind of stayed in that household because it was his survival.
	And he managed to escape eventually.
	And it says here: Ari never quite recovered from the trauma of the Turkish rape of his native city of Smyrna in 1922.
	Three of his uncles were executed.
	His aunt Maria and her husband, Christoph Stomos Konialidis, and their daughter perished when the Turks set fire to a church in which hundreds of Christians had sought refuge.
	Okay, so he got out of there, but he was not smart enough to resist the sexual advances of the older Turkish officers who brought food home for him to cook.
	And he found bootleg liquor for them.
	But after he got out of there, he got into, I'm trying to find it here.
	I think it was Greece itself.
	And he became a dishwasher.
	Oh, sorry, it was Argentina.
	1923, he sailed to Argentina, landing in Buenos Aires.
	As a newly impoverished young man fleeing from the Turkish-Greek-Armenian conflicts of the early 20th century, Ari became a dishwasher, a laundryman, a night clerk, and a telephone operator.
	It was in the latter job that he began to make money by eavesdropping on business deals being transacted, many of them being illegal.
	He made notes, studied the financial pages, and thanks partly to his eavesdropping, stayed several steps ahead of his rivals.
	Suddenly, he was making $1,000 on a linseed oil deal.
	He speculated on animal hides and furs and made a whopping $10,000.
	He was on his way.
	So that you turned that $10,000 by the time of his death into, or that $1,000 into $1 billion, right?
	So go ahead.
	Neat trick.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He was a clever guy, clever guy.
	So he was a poor boy who became a rich boy.
	He was also a smuggler, a thief, liar, international playboy, and the most glamorous tycoon of the 20th century.
	And he kept many mistresses and boys.
	This is the thing.
	He had apartments.
	He had one in Italy.
	He had one in Paris, Monaco, and Athens.
	And he had these young boys stashed in these apartments.
	And it's said that he met them when they were 13, 12, 13, 14, right?
	And he kept, these were his kept boys, and he would go to them occasionally, regularly, though, and he would really, really abuse them.
	So he told Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr., who was a good friend of Jackie's, that every Greek man worth his salt has a wife, a mistress, and a beautiful young boy on the side.
	It is our custom.
	Beautiful young boy on the side.
	Yeah, but these young boys, they were really, really badly treated.
	He would beat them to a pulp first, and then he would mount them and do a lot of damage.
	And one of them had to be put in the hospital after a visit from Ari.
	And yet, neighbors would say they heard screams from the apartment saying, No, no, no.
	And then, I love you, I love you.
	So there's a lot of weird psychological stuff going on.
	Awful.
	Yeah, so aboard his yacht, Ari would explain that homosexuality, like hunting, was thought to foster masculinity.
	And just for the record, Harry was well endowed.
	Yeah.
	So he said something to, I'm trying to remember who.
	Oh, it was in the presence of Richard Burton.
	And there were other people in the room.
	And he said that, let me find it.
	Say something while I look for it.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	I pity those young boys who had to endure what Aarry was dishing out very, very sad.
	The whole story is.
	He paid money.
	These boys were paid money.
	Yeah.
	Money, right?
	And he paid very well.
	And at least $500 back in the day when he could have gotten the boy for 50 bucks.
	He liked to manhandle the guys.
	And first he paddled their butts and then he did his other damage.
	And it got so bad that at one point only massive kiss would do his bidding.
	Only what?
	Masochists.
	Oh, massacres.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do unto us as you would have them do unto you, unless you're, you know, sadists and massacres.
	See, that seemed to be exceptions to the rule.
	Go right ahead.
	Well, I can't find it now.
	Okay.
	This is awful.
	I know I marked it.
	I marked it because it was so dreadful.
	You can paraphrase it, Sophia.
	I can paraphrase it.
	Oh, here it is.
	Okay, so I'll just read this.
	Oh, God, this is not my opinion, right?
	It's not the opinion of Revolution Radio or Jim Fletzer, but it's very profound, I think, to pedophilia.
	And it says, Ari once confessed to Richard Burton, that's the actor, the famous actor, husband of Elizabeth Taylor, in the presence of others.
	I've been known to walk on the wild side, and I just know that you have too.
	We are larger than life figures with passions no single woman can satisfy, not even a series of women.
	For the ultimate satisfaction, and I may be speaking just for myself, I have to go outside the boundaries of usual morality.
	I visit clubs, particularly in Paris, where unspeakable acts are performed and strange trysts are arranged.
	I know what it is to be raped, that is being on the receiving end, and I know what it is to rape others.
	Sex is one thing and can quickly become routine.
	But when you're raping a virgin ass and causing great pain, you feel like the ruler of the universe.
	God, that's so disgusting.
	That's so despicable.
	Feel like the ruler of the world under those circumstances, Sophia.
	That's just appalling.
	The universe.
	Grotesque.
	The universe.
	Grotesque.
	Grotesque.
	We're about to conclude our conversation today, Sophia.
	I can't thank you enough for pursuing these issues.
	It's a challenge in many different ways, but I think we benefit a lot from learning about the real history of some of those we viewed as zycons and of the past, people we've admired but who had a darker side.
	I consider it a valuable public service to review these matters.
	And I think you do a wonderful job with great delicacy and sensitivity.
	So I'm most appreciative of all your efforts and look forward to our next conversation.
	Give us a few final thoughts, Sophia, before we part today.
	Jim, I don't have any more thoughts other than don't consider any of that to be the opinion of us Revolution Radio.
	And it lends perspective to why the most powerful people in the world have to feel even more powerful, right?
	Yeah, just damned this thing.
	Sophia, I thank you.
	Splendid.
	Paul, for the first hour, exceptional.
	Everyone, spending much time with your family, your friend, and people you love and care about.
	Don't waste a precious minute.
	We do not know how much time we have left.
	And as I'm now disposed to say, have a wonderful weekend.
	And God willing, we'll be back on Monday and do it again.
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