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Aug. 28, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (27 August 2025): Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE!
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Welcome to Real Deal special.
Once again, my weekly interviews with Catherine Horton and Bill Binney, which I find quite delightful.
And we have several events taking place now that are of special interest, including a reported shooting in Minneapolis of all places that I think is supposed to resurrect the concept of Sandy Hook.
But where I've investigated so many of these, like Las Vegas, Orlando, Parkland, and Sandy Hook itself, it looks like a staged event.
Among the evidence I have are reports about the mayor and the chief of police giving statements that appear to be previously written that they presented with no emotion or effect whatsoever.
Plus a kid who might have been six or seven years chewing gum talking about his classmate being shot in the back with absolutely no effect whatsoever.
Not a not even a wink.
No anguish.
No nothing.
Catherine, Bill, I invite you to comment.
Catherine, give me your taste.
Can I open the floor?
Because I've been all over this.
She's the one doing it.
She studies this.
Goodness, when it first flagged up.
So first of all, you should really show the table you have for how to recognize a false flag.
Because I think the first one is the guy has a manifesto.
So he also published an 11-minute video two hours before the shooting that has since been scrubbed.
But I've got a copy.
And his manifesto is neatly handwritten by what i can only guess is a woman who's at least a millennial because i don't think gen z can write like that they don't have to find more torex anymore So first of all, his manifesto was written by a woman.
She's probably millennial or even genetics.
It took a lot of time writing it out and it's pages and pages of this stuff.
Now, he's again a trans shooter and we had the other trans shooter that changed his shoes halfway through and then was shot without even plaster or window breaking behind him, even though, you know, law enforcement supposedly just had just loaded like several rounds on him, right?
So we already had the trans shooter topic before and it was a false flag.
But also this time, his magazines had messages written on it just like the one he in Australia.
So we have these recurring themes and one of them, the one at Tops grocery store in Buffalo, New York, had a weapon with all written up and it was like modeled after the Christchurch news, you know, where the driving around in a car and all that.
We did an analysis.
It had several different takes.
When you analyze the shadows and so forth, and they're firing point blank at the victims with no response.
Their heads aren't blowing apart like a pumpkin.
Total bullshit.
And I think you're talking again.
We got more.
And think about it.
Think about how it's emotionally divided, not only children but in our church.
So it's a double whammy, right?
Oh, how awful.
Oh, this is a terrible.
But most, I mean, what for me was a piece of cartel signaling, which is very topical, is that it said kill Trump.
Now, I didn't have time yet to go through all the messages on the magazines.
We had like a dozen of them.
But the kill Trump reference had nothing to do with this church shooting.
Absolutely nothing.
So for me, it's almost like the SBI put Southeast Beach State SBI that Cash Patel.atel still doesn't have under control keeps putting out these false flag operations, but they continue to cartel signal along the lines that James Comey was signaling on.
So for me, this whole thing had more importance regarding safeguarding the president's life than anything.
I mean, I watched a clip with the young boy giving the press conference just a, I think, a few hours after his friend was supposedly shot on top of him.
And as you say, he not just had no emotions.
After what we discussed last week, when I used the eye movements and that repeated emphatic eye movements off to the right are a clear sign of imagining a situation.
He imagined every time he was asked about the details.
So again, you know, it follows neatly from what we discussed last week.
So the whole thing is just utter nonsense.
Now the question is why was it staged, why now?
Well, it's in Minnesota.
Yours truly was in Minnesota for nearly twenty years, not in Minneapolis, but it's a school shooting.
It's going to be reminiscent of Sandy Hook.
I have to say, and I don't think I'm completely off base.
I think it may be related to my lawsuits against Rumble and Bitshoot because it's a tie in where my Sandy Hook friends told me.
me that Sandy Hook promise which is still raking in a million bucks a month, Catherine Bill, a million bucks a month off of a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control.
And they're worried that my case might be reversed right here in Dane County and cut off their gravy train.
So, you know, these things are all interlocked because this Victor Hugo Vodka guy has been trashing me, claiming I threw my Sandy Hook case, which was absurd given I took it all the way to the Supreme Court and still to this day have four appeals pending.
How's that for throwing a case?
So I think you're absolutely right.
It is about the Supreme Court case.
And if it's really the case, I think the objective might be to kind of refresh the emotions because everybody on two social parties, everybody, the president lifted the flag onto half mask and everybody, all of his followers were just very, very sorry this happened.
Of course, if you take this bullshit seriously, that's your justified action.
But nothing about it for me looked real.
The other thing I was also suspicious AF was, did you see the number of law enforcement vehicles that just rocked up at that thing's little church?
The entire street was just back to back, police cars.
When ever, ever have they responded to a shooting like that?
It's, I mean, I wish, but that's not the case, right?
And, but if you want to keep people with cell phones far away from your stage little false flag operation, you would want to have back to back large vehicles, as much police as possible, everybody on the lookout, because they know that if they just record a snippet from.
anywhere nearby.
They're done.
They're toads.
In Sandy Hook, they had Dickinson Drive, the one access exit, totally clogged.
You couldn't have gotten an emergency vehicle in there if your life had depended on it, and no one's life did, fortunately.
But it wasn't even a primary school.
For that, you'd have to have a U shaped or horseshoe shaped driveway.
So buses come in, drop off the kids and drive out, come in, pick up the kids, drive out without green traffic jams.
They only had one entrance because it wasn't even a prim they set it up early enough in 2006.
They put up the word elementary on the school and let it weather.
They wanted it to look weathered as though it always was.
I mean, not telling you the efforts they went to to follow this scam were unbelievable.
So are you telling me, Catherine, that the social media is buying what happened in Minneapolis as though it were real?
Yes, it is unfortunately.
So President Trump and Sellah put the big old, you know, American flags he erected on the right, you know, on Half Mountain, blah, blah, blah.
And it's just, oh my goodness., these people, I still believe they're genuine, but they need to wise up to this bullshit because, I mean, they have so much learning to do.
If I think back to how I first came across false flag operations, it was your work and all the demigods' work.
And then I started looking into it and I realized, oh holy shit, yes, it's all fake.
It's all made up.
And then after you've seen several of these false flag operations, you can see the themes repeat, right?
Like the writing on the mag and the barrel of the gun.
And yeah, I also remember that in New Zealand, as the as he was shooting the rounds, the cartridges kept popping out and disappearing into the air.
It was crappless, but he's so crapp because, you know, it was having all faces, yeah.
Which is why you face a $10,000 fine if you even have a copy of the video.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah.
They got out of the way to suppress it.
I mean, it was supposed to be their centerpiece, but it was so amateurish and juvenile.
Yeah.
They had to suppress it.
Bill, have you fashioned any opinions about Minneapolis?
We didn't have time.
I didn't have, first of all, I didn't have time, but Jimmy, you have to remember, I'm a mathematician, so, and I work with bits and bytes, letters and numbers and words, you know.
If there's something technical, I'm the kind of guy that gets into that.
Bill comes in if he wants to figure out the nationwide network of false life operatives, including crisis actors, because when this is being put in, they all telecommunicate, right?
So it would be in the NSA database.
If there's an organization behind it, yeah, yeah, we could get it easily.
I do have, I think, the interview thing with this kid here.
look at that please let's look at that uh can you can you see it uh yeah you shared your screen i can see a face Facebook post.
I'm gonna let me see if I can adjust something here.
Interval screen.
Yeah.
So what do we got here?
Robert Jasso writes, The Machine in Minnesota probably said she heard another false flaglight most right off the bat.
He's calling it out.
The left will say that the shooter was a white supremacist, neo-Nazi.
because he hated Jews and had the words destroyed hias written on the rifle written on oh I see yeah writing on the rifle how juvenile is that yeah For those who don't know, Hayas is an open border Jewish organization.
The right will say, Nashida was a Democrat because he was a transgender anti-Semite and hated Trump.
Both left and right wing media will be blaming the other for the next few days, divide and conquer, more gun laws to come, nothing new here.
Yeah, I think that's right.
Actually, before you move on, I want to point out the middle, the bottom middle picture.
You can see that it says kill Trump now on that picture.
Yeah.
I think that for me is important because.
because as I keep emphasizing, James Foley's kill order is still active.
We're looking for these, you know, activation codes that would activate the teams.
Now, if I were the Secret Service, I would take that seriously.
They kill Trump now.
What does that mean?
You know, the whole thing is safe.
The whole thing is free from the FBI, organized and all these calling Trump organizations.
And I would get on the case now because what is serious about this is the death threat against Trump.
We've also got a little video here.
Maybe I can get it to play.
Let's see if that's a posit possibility, I think this is another video.
Look at this fake doctor they hired out of a porno movie.
See how Lee's and Love Once have been viewed.
But listen to this.
I'm just showing this real quick.
My mom caught this.
Everybody.
My mom.
I know the patients.
I know their status.
Do you know if anyone is being treated at any other locations?
My understanding was we had a lot of the noncritical patients that went to Children's Hospital and I believe one went to Masonic Children's Hospital as well.
I don't know.
He's still there, okay?
It's Masonic as he talks with the thirteen behind him.
Yeah.
Let's set him up right with the pati this thirteen number behind them.
I don't know if these equal.
Noncritical.
Off the top of my head.
Children's Hospital.
And so you got thirteen ELP 61.
I mean, I got it.
Yeah, I don't know.
Do your thing, people.
I believe one went to Masonic Children's Hospital as well.
My understanding was we had a lot of the noncritical patients that went to Children's Hospital.
And I believe one went to Masonic Children's Hospital as well.
I don't know the status of any of those patients.
Oh, what do you think of that, Catherine?
Well, the reference to Masonic given that James Comey's kill order was a Masonic kill order, the 33, the 8 was highlighted in yellow, which if we, you know, flip the 3 and 33, put it together, you get an 8.
So 33 was, you know, right there.
Reference to Masonic and kill Trump now, that is what's important in all this bullshit.
So goodness, I think the Secret Service needs to start working all the time and Cat needs to push his head out of his ass, quite frankly, you know, unceremoniously because he has not been on top of any of this properly.
It's still dumbfounding that when you wanted to give them national security information about protecting the life of the President of the United States, they wouldn't let you anywhere near him.
I mean, that's just astounding.
Bill, weren't you floored by your reception?
Yeah, I I always would have thought that they would accept anyone's input of any kind of information that it might pose a threat or even, you know, even even jeopardy from things they may not be considering.
You know, they should at least accept the information.
Sure.
And make a decision from there, you know?
They didn't seem to even want to do that.
that.
That's surprising.
And also, I think last time, did we mention how they rejected your paper documents?
They were not allowed to take paper.
I don't know.
Do you, are you afraid it might be smeared in anthrax if we are handling it as well?
It was idiotic.
So they couldn't accept papers.
They had to take photographs of it.
They couldn't even accept the USB stick because, hey, it could have viruses.
The Secret Service has an entire cybersecurity department or cybercrime department proper.
Couldn't you find, you know, a virus scanner to run over a STUMM disk or use a dummy 100.
laptop to plug it in, you know?
So it was ridiculous.
And in the end I said, okay, so if you don't accept any paper, no data, do you have an email that you could maybe send?
Right?
And I'm not sure if I said it last time, one of the special agents in Hayes special they are wrote in his handwriting the tip line.
They have a tip line and the email, did I show it last time?
I'm not sure if people can read it.
That's his handwriting.
It's Johnny Rockets at gmail dot com dot Johnny Rockets.
Johnny is WH.
Well, this was written., handwritten by a special agent onto the envelope that Bill had his documents in.
And I looked at him and I said, if this were a speed dating event and I asked you for an email and you give me this, I would pour my drink in your face and walk out because this is taking a piss, right?
Johnny Rockett is the restaurant chain.
So with the double H and you give me a Gmail address when you're the secret service for your tips, which means that Google, which is tied to the CIA and the FBI and all that, which actually tried to kill Trump, gets all your tips for you.
So Google AI runs over this before you even see it.
Okay.
There's so many red flags.
I mean, if this, first of all, I'm not sure if this is a joke because maybe they just looked at the retired technical director and thought, Oh, he's a cook too.
So we give them the cook email.
But if this is genuine, oh my goodness, the first tip I'm going to send to the tip line is get a professional email, you dickhead.
This is ridiculous.
Right?
So this is not even a government email address, Catherine.
I mean, this is just ridiculous.
Hold on.
They did kind of pay attention, though, when I was showing them how we discovered through shared attributes, companies importing things to make IEDs against Iraq and Afghanistan, our troops over there.
Also, I made the point that this is also how I pulled together Bernie Nadal's operation.
They supposedly have a department that does financial fraud and stuff like that.
So I thought they'd be interested in that kind of crap.
but no phone calls after the second time after i went um they said are we allowed to call your home are we allowed to go through the bill i said hey he's waiting for the call.
Now in the afternoon there was one call from the secret service number, one call, you didn't make it in time, you're double amputated.
And then he tried to call back and you couldn't get through.
So the callback was, you know, was blocked.
You never called a second time.
There was never an email.
It is so unprofessional.
It is breath pain.
Well, it could have been deliberate that there not be a response.
So they could claim they made an effort and you were unreceptive or derelict.
Exactly.
That's exactly what they do.
Not take it for themselves.
Yep.
And this is really worrying because there is an active co-order.
These, you know, they're refreshinghes from the FBI kill Trump now.
This is horrifying.
So something is going to happen.
And as I keep emphasizing, you have to go back to the original team that pulled off Butler, where I found half a dozen off leads, because the same team would be involved in some catastrophe because they would have to redeem themselves in the way the cartel works.
If you fuck up quite so badly as not managing to kill the president from 130 yards away, you either get a drive the second time round or you all die just to get rid of all the witnesses.
So this team is actually dead serious that people would have to redeem themselves and get to drive a second time or else they will all die.
Right.
They will all die.
Yeah, because you wouldn't want to have these, especially when they are such a bunch of morons.
You wouldn't want these morons to continue living just like they had a cleanup operation after JFK.
Right.
They have a cleanup operation after everything.
So if these people are still alive, they would be involved again.
So they have to be found.
I should point out, though, that she did show all the evidence that she had, you know, with the Butler event and the follow on one to the local police here in town.
And they thought it was suspicious.
Worrying.
Yeah, the local police here thought it was.
And so here's the Secret Service.
You know, you wonder what is wrong with these people.
Yeah.
And also our.
There's something wrong there.
Yeah.
I think we should be captured.
And also our police is not just any old police.
They're both former Marines.
they both recognized the A suspicious.
They both knew exactly what it meant.
They were both reached out.
And one guy was actually from New York and he said, no, he would not ride.
I think I showed this course at the junction in Lower Manhattan.
That was, it was really the, they published all systems, those signs to look for on the day at Butler.
And it was this horse rider with a flag, so Trump flag on horseback.
And that was published by Trump's own social media team exactly on the day that the Butler drive was announced.
So there's ties to Trump's own social media team.
I showed this horse rider in Lower Manhattan to our police sergeant who worked in New York.
He grew up in New York, just a couple of blocks down from where this was and we said there's no way we would ever see a horse rider.
There's horse drone carriages near the park, but down there, there's no way we would never ever see a horse rider.
So when this whole thing was staged, it was for a very specific event.
So there are all these leads, they all have to be followed up.
And meanwhile, the FBI is absolutely nothing.
They close the case because, hey, the shooter's dead, they said.
So now they have to investigate.
Case closed, just like with Lee Oswald.
Yeah.
Case closed.
The fact that he couldn't possibly have shot JFK because he was in the doorway of the book depository when the motorcade passed by made not a win a difference.
When they got their man they got their man.
It is really worrying.
It is so worrying for us.
If the whole I mean, if anything happens except the whole MAGA thing comes grinding hole, there's no one to replace him.
So his safety is of absolute paramount importance.
And meanwhile, all I see is that the FBI's fooling about and the people who put the system for three, I would like to add, they are being blocked and tre treated like they're just, I don't know, oldest people on the street.
You know, I think I may have a little bit more about it.
Let me see if I can get in here.
We got that, of course.
We want to close that out.
you have the young guy, the really, really young kid?
I'm sorry, Sagan.
Oh, do you have the really young kid who talked about his friend being shot?
Oh, a little six or seven year old.
Yes.
I have that here.
Let me see what I do have here though.
Hang on.
I think I have to link to that.
I can pull that up.
yeah Because I got the news from today where I had it as the lead story.
Here it was.
Minneapolis, Lee's, shooting at Catholic school, leaves three dead, 17 injured.
Ah, you never...
You're not seeing any blood.
You're getting a lot of a fake emotion here, you know, and people walking around.
And as you say, a massive turnout of police cars, but none of that shows anything real actually happened.
And then I had, here was one of my correspondents wrote in, I thought she was quite on it, Patty.
Jim, I just heard it at the end of the mayor's speech and for sure it was memorized and rehearsed.
And now that she's speaking in his as a written speech, no one is sad or upset standing around the microphone.
Can't wait to see what you and Brian, that would be Brian Davidson, PI from Houston, do with this event also the mayor ended with we love you so phony the country is not still happening under Trump disturbing Catherine don't you think she's got it right?
Yeah and I just sent you an email with the link to the true social has a video but it can be played even without an account and that has the little the little six year old talking it's just a couple of seconds long I can have you got it there I can make you have it by email to you you should you should have it.
Oh, you did.
Okay.
I'll show you.
From Bill's email account.
Okay.
I'll see what I can do with it.
Let me see here.
see here.
That is just, supposedly it's an eyewitness, it's a child, they typically are even worse at lying than adults are.
They typically, you know, even worse at lying than adults are.
And we, as I said on True Social, cool as a cucumber, this little kid.
And supposedly, his friend was just sniped up his back, you know, shocked up his back.
I, let me see.
if it shows.
I don't see it here.
Do you see the link?
The citizen free press link?
The social link I sent you?
No, I'm not seeing it, Catherine.
I've just posted it.
Oh, wait a minute.
There's a reason why I had a search.
Here it comes.
Did you send it on the please join Zoom?
I sent, and I didn't send it on Zoom.
I sent email from Phil's email address.
Yeah, here it is.
Yeah.
Let's see what this little guy has.
to say, incredible act of bravery.
Yeah.
My friend was lying on top of me, making sure I was safe, and he got hit.
That was really brave of him.
Can you shed the screen with Sal?
Yeah.
I think he's gonna be okay.
Oh, we can't see it, Jim.
He was like, laying on top of you, like, you can't see it.
You can't see it.
You have to shed the screen.
Oh, you can.
Brave of him.
You can't see it.
You can't see it.
You have to shed the screen again.
It says, I'll have to figure out.
Let me see here, go in a different way.
that for me was a smoking gun.
This was for you a smoking gun.
Yeah.
We need that kid.
It's just this kid.
Yeah.
Let me see.
Can you see it?
Yeah.
Can you see it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We can see it.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I think he's gonna be okay.
And then my friend, he was like laying on top of me, like making sure I was safe and he got hit.
So that was really brave of him.
And you have a N neck on your neck?
Yeah, I don't even know what it's from.
It looks like debris or something.
That came from during this.
Yeah.
How were you feeling?
You seem pretty close together, you know, but it's got to be.
Yeah, I'm just like confused.
Well, okay.
Now, how much life did anybody spot?
If you just use the eye movement, Lee just had three emphatic right looks.
So he looks emphatically to the right.
When he, when he talks about this guy lying on top of him, he remembers something and that must have been a repetition.
But then he says, Oh yeah, I think he's gonna be okay.
He got shot.
Excuse me, if a six year old gets shot, you know, by one of those weapons, he's most definitely never going to be okay again.
The other thing is, you know, the stingless thing on the, on the neck.
I'll say, Oh, you've got it on me.
It looks like a mole to me.
Did it look like a mole to me too?
That was nothing.
Yeah, and it's supposed to be a shrapnel, and then I was thinking, hold on.
So you little six year old are running around with a piece of shrapnel, which could be anything.
It could be your friend's, you know, a bit of his skull or his hip hole stuck in your throat, and nobody bothered to pull it out and bandage it, put a bandage on it maybe, you know?
Hey, he's just running around with shrapnel in his neck as a six year old.
Just another day, you know, another day in Minneapolis.
It's just ludicrous.
Yeah.
I notice he's just chewing gum the whole time.
Yeah.
You know, casual as can be.
No emotion there.
No emotion there whatsoever, not the least anxiety, fear.
Yeah.
The one time the kid definitely said the truth was when he said his friend's gonna be okay.
He's like, no, it's gonna be okay.
Yeah.
Full, you know, coherence.
Yes, his friend's gonna be okay because nothing ever happened to his friend.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Wow.
Love it.
I'm glad you sent that along.
Very good.
Very, very good.
Let me see if I can pull up some other stuff too here.
Because in addition, you know, I find it interesting.
Here I have, I'm sharing the law enforcement false flag checklist, Catherine, you were speaking of.
And, you know, I'm just.
glad to get it out.
No surge of EMTs, no stinking ambulances, no Medivac Chopra.
I don't think we saw any of them there in Minneapolis.
So that's all consistent.
No blood, nobody's dead shooter.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Conflicting stories, crisis actors, instant publicity indeed.
No investigation, calls for action, massive coverage.
I want to encourage people to watch.
watch How to Spot a False Flag and you and I did a special four-part version of that, Catherine.
That was simply wonderful.
And extra kudos, the How to Spot a False Flag was banned.
I tried was banned by YouTube.
I uploaded it to my YouTube and I got three strikes, so two strikes for the first two videos and I never dared to upload the third, but it was banned instantly.
Really?
Yeah.
That's not on my YouTube.
I love those videos and the interviews we did, but YouTube did not want them at all.
Well, they're awfully informative.
I mean, I'm doing Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, Parkland, Las Vegas.
I mean, and they're all so blatant.
Orlando.
I mean, they're so fraudulent if you know how to look at them, you know, if you have a hang for it.
And I love it because they're so edifying.
Yeah.
And I remember when we did the interviews, you also allowed me to mouth off in between and talk about the cartel signaling, the coded symptoms.
Yeah.
And it was wonderful.
And it just fit perfectly with what you were talking about.
What a great ad.
One of my favorite interview series.
Yeah, wonderful, wonderful.
Well, you know, I'm beginning a conspiracy one 101, false flags and conspiracy theories, next week.
So on Wednesday, the third, is the first class.
Fifteen classes, actually there's even a break, it runs for sixteen.
I may have something special to do on the winter break on December 5, but I'm looking forward to it.
I did it about, I don't know, five years ago and enjoyed it.
And it's part of my wanting to give back to the country from which I benefited so much.
And we'll see how it goes, but I sure enjoy it.
And the first assignment they're going to have, Catherine, is to watch out as part of false flag part one and part two.
That's our first assignment.
Very first.
I love it.
I love it.
They'll get the hang of it already, already, already.
It's just wonderful.
And it's so topical because they will not run out of false flag operations anytime soon.
Do you think it's going to stop anytime soon, Bill?
No, I think we're in for the same kind of rigmarole we've had for quite some time.
Yeah.
I think we're all very, very polite way to describe bullshit.
I could say.
could have called it horseshit.
I love it.
But you know, the other piece of news that comes.
to my mind which ties in with all this is so what I actually wanted to say is the problem is the Trump administration tries to do amazing things.
They're massive yield work because there's just so much to repair in this country.
But the other thing is that the people they put in for the FBI, I don't think they're up to speed with the nonsense that the FBI has been pulling beyond their own cases.
I think Cash Patel is very aware of his own case and anyone who was involved in Russia Gate or who got harmed by law there at the highest level.
But I don't think he studied false flag events or directed energy weapons or neuro weapons.
I like these guys, Bon Gino and him, the little Red Riding Hood, and they are about to get screwed by the big, bad bulls, if that's the FBI.
But the problem is when you're in those positions, you really have to know your stuff better than the mind control operators who you are supposedly controlling in your agency, and they do not.
So this lack of actual subject matter expertise is terrible right now.
But also Trump's information is being gatekept, kept from him.
And he just went headlong into this Minneapolis stuff and bought it straight away because his advisors told him.
so.
But also, I think it was yesterday that he announced, and he presents it like it's the best thing ever.
He held up a little graphic in his Oval Office press conference, and he said, Mark Zuckerberg is now building an AI facility that's the size of Manhattan.
And he had a map of Manhattan, and he had this little Angular diagram.
And I just thought, hang on, Mark Zuckerberg ranks on the ranking of evil motherfuckers right at the top with Fauci and Bill Gates.
He did all the censorship.
He suppressed any information about the scandemic.
and anything that could be suppressed, he did it.
And now he's building this huge AI facility that's as big as Manhattan and nobody is worried about it.
If that AI capability, you will be commenting, sorry, I talked too much, but I just wanted to say that AI capability, what will it do to us, Phil?
You don't understand the power that that kind of information gives to anyone who has it.
I mean, that gives them the power to manipulate people, to control people, to direct the masses in certain directions.
You know, it's called population control.
That's what I call this all about.
about for the last 24 years I've been saying that.
Yeah, yeah.
How can you control the population?
That's what I testified to the Bundestag in Germany and also to the House of Lords in England and to the Austrian parliament, to the EU parliament.
They came out with some tough laws about that.
So they did something over here, we did absolutely nothing.
Yeah, you've been a cyberprophet, Bill.
There's no doubt about it.
Your reputation here is legion.
And I think there's a hidden problem here, physically cooling.
These data set require a huge amount of water.
As big as Manhattan, what's that going to take?
Lake Superior?
Are we going to have to drain it to cool this data center?
It's insane.
The desire, the thirst for technology may lead us with no water to drink.
And we know the rule of three.
Three minutes without air, three days without water, three weeks without food.
I mean, this may be the end of our nation in quest for technological domination.
You know, the, We discussed earlier on your show and an earlier show anyway, the way to fix the government, how to focus in and do a professional job at any kind of threat, criminal or whatever, military, whatever we do in the world.
Well, we were doing that program inside the NSA in the 1990s.
And to do it, it took three racks of equipment, three racks.
That had a footprint of a three foot by three foot by eight foot, each rack.
Now multiply that by three.
That's all it took to do this job that way.
It didn't take the million square foot in Pluckdale or the 600,000 down in San Antonio or the other million in Fort Meade.
It didn't take that.
It took three racks of equipment.
If you do it right, it's damn cheap and you're effective because you're focused on real, relevant material.
And you could find things that stretched that way.
They can't find them now.
documentation from snowden he he he published or wiki leaks published the snowden material that showed internal memos from the analysts in nsa and mi5 and gc they can't figure out the threat coming because there's too much data well they made themselves dysfunctional by doing that too and so i when i went in to talk to the house of lords i went in with the basic statement saying I mean,
bulk data kills people because you people can't see the threat coming, you can't stop it.
So yeah, everybody gets killed.
Then you do a forensic job.
That's a police job.
That's not an intelligence job.
Intelligence to produce intentions and capabilities, not forensics.
Yeah.
Too late then.
I think the average person, well, the average taxpayer, what they need to realize is that.
All the capabilities that you need to do national security properly, the actual analysis bit fits, I mean, three racks of titles for this office, right?
Oh, it would fit.
It will sit right here on the other side of the desk we're sitting in front of.
Okay.
An average size home office, you can sit it in there.
We already explained that you can even program your phone to run over every person in ten seconds or less in the world.
You could pick out, you know, with a simple setup, you can pick out terrorist activity or child trafficking or drug trafficking.
And because it takes decades to groom these people and train them and deploy them, once you have unmasked it once, that's it.
That's it until they re grow their networks.
So it's not a continuous job.
So that is when you do it properly.
It's super cheap, super cheap, super energy efficient, super quick.
And when you've done it, you're done.
You can close the SBI and go home, right?
Well, the point is also when I did that, it was set up in such a way that there was no mathematical limit to what it could manage.
In other words, you could throw trillions upon trillions of actions at it and it can manage it easily.
It was scalable.
It was scalable.
They had no, see no limit to it.
Yeah.
But the contrast what they're doing now and what they have brainwashed Trump to sign up the country for, one of the other statesements that Trump did is that the companies that approached him, the AI, you know, gaggle.
They said, oh, sir, we need as much power as the country is using now.
So they are now preparing to have a second electricity energy system just for AI.
So New York will have a shadow dark New York that is just powering AI.
Now, as you just think back and think about what would this much processing power do?
Would it just unmask terrorist activity as I just explained?
You can do it with your freaking phone in a day.
Okay.
You can unmask terrorist activity within any cell phone and a bit of processing power, right?
Let me give you I can give you an example.
I came up to it.
I had a mathematical solution to a problem that I put into when I first got a desktop computer.
It was a 64 K RAM, two disk drives, 64 K each drive, two disk drives and a 64 K RAM.
I came up with a mathematical solution to this one problem that could take and manage any possibility they could throw at it.
Anyone.
And I put it on this two disk drive, 64 K RAM PC.
I got a guy to code it for me, a really good guy doing coding.
and it beat the processing of six or eight banks of computers.
Banks.
Now that meant something like a 100-foot by 50-foot bank per bank, and they had 20, 30 computers in each bank.
So it beat the entire mass programming processing of NSA, this one little desktop PC.
The difference was the code, the smart code, the smart way to do it, and the focused attack by that code.
and the mathematical solution by the math genus that's what i would like to call right that's that the thing that Trump doesn't understand because when he was given this proposal,
I would have just said, sir, now lean back, take a deep breath and ask yourself, doesn't that sound like inefficiency to you when you have, you need the processing power of your entire country again to get some shit done?
What the hell for?
What do we need this stuff for?
right and the other thing is that nobody asked for this ai bullshit that's what really gets me he brought it in in day two in his target ai and nobody asked for it it was it didn't feature anywhere on his rally i think it was mentioned a few times towards the end, and he brought it in that day too.
But the things, the capabilities we're talking about are not what they are presented to be.
We need this amount of processing power, for sure.
If you want to have for every human being in the United States a mirror AI that will not just monitor their brain waves, but hijack them.
If every person is meant to have a personal AI torturer like Bill and I have, because we have these body implants, then yes, you actually do need a parallel society that is powering AI, you know, algorithms to hijack people that's when you need this much processing power so it is an absolute nightmare we're writing the country into because he doesn't have anybody who understands the fundamental science in his administration and now you bring it back to
this false like operations when they have this amount of ai they can just generate fake videos that look like they come from us but they are just entirely fake they can copy our voices our mannerisms our faces and and then the likes of victor hugo will not just put out these little shitty videos every couple of hours they would be putting out fake videos claiming that they're, for example, ours.
Well, I think you were very discerning to suggest that the covers were being generated by AI, Catherine.
And I have other sources telling me that Victor himself is technically incompetent, he can't even edit a video.
So he's really got a support team where he's kind of the front man providing the content and then they take it from there.
And I'm intrigued that you think I might be right that this shooting could potentially be related to my lawsuit.
because, you know, this is actually A pretty big deal.
And it turns out that Victor tried to attack it, claiming I had made a colossal blunder that I'd never filed the fees for the cases to be entered into the court system.
Oh, yeah.
Interesting.
Actually, Jim, just pause for a second because this is forensic gold.
So how come that this supposedly random guy now takes such deep care about your court fees filing?
You see what I mean?
Because supposedly he's just not tied to your fourth case.
When he's now getting into the nitzy gritty of your fourth filing, oh my God, what is this smell?
Oh, I think it's the FBI.
FBI, right?
Why would anyone care about the fee filing for crime?
We do have to explain what she means by FBI.
Sure.
That means the FBI that everyone understands is the organization under Pastel now, but it also includes the IC, the intelligence community.
Yeah.
And that's because all of them.
That's because personal rotates.
Well, that the FBI is a part of the IC.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you know, they're included in that.
Yeah, but also Mossad works in and out of the FBI or the intelligence community.
MI6.
Yes, collaborative efforts around the world.
Yeah, I also have the witness test or the testimony written affidavit by a former MI6 agent who just openly said that, yes, they work for Mossad, they work for CIA, they work for other agencies as well, and they 3D rotate.
So yeah, that's what I mean by FBI.
I mean the intelligence community, but when they deploy English speakers to target you specifically, Jim, the FBI would get upset if they were not involved.
So as a short time, I say FBI.
But I'm just showing you the shit list of Mossad and MI6 also.
So be proud.
That was what I was going to suggest.
I think this may be Mossad.
I mean, that's my impression.
They have a hell of a role running the United States.
This is very curious how they committed this colossal blunder.
Apparently a woman with the initials, what is it?
VP told him that by looking the judge had written this thing denied by Bobber petition.
And of course, he did deny my proper petition, but that didn't mean I hadn't paid.
In fact, I had paid.
So I explained here, you know, my response.
There's a state.
You have to pay to even get it considered.
Yeah.
You have to pay to.
I had I had I shared a petition going into the Supreme Court with another fellow suing him on the basis of the mass surveillance, you know?
Yeah.
And it was unconstitutional.
Yeah.
And I put all of it in my testimony of all this stuff about what I invented for them so they could do it, you know?
So I was telling him how this crap was done.
And I put it up to the Supreme Court.
And I shared that.
And we spent we, a little over three thousand dollars to do it.
That's what you see.
That was 2017.
Yeah.
The Supreme Court refers a certain formatting and all that.
So it's very fancy.
And, you know, just because I, when I went to the court, I was just pro save, Rabbi saying myself.
And I was able to cut the expenses down to about ten percent of what you'd have to do if it were formally.
So I had an advantage by being my own lawyer.
Yeah.
And I found I found there are other advantages there too because the lawyers I've dealt with in general have not impressed me in a favorable fashion.
I was explaining here how there's a standard procedure for filing cases in the federal courts where, if appropriate, a self-representing litigant may file a Pobla petition to circumvent filing fees because of their indigent status with a million dollar lien from my Dane County Sandy Hook case where I carried it to the U. US Supreme Court and
currently have four appeals pending.
I submitted such a request, which was denied.
So I ponied up the filing fees of 405 with the Bitshoot Deep State Brothers, it calls Inc.
and Rumble cases to be filed copies below.
I mean, I even, you know, I've got the copies of here, the receipts from my paying for these filing fees.
So I continue.
What we have here is a classic example of the vodka style where take some word, phrase or expression out of context and exaggerate grossly to make it easier to attack.
Falk has done that from the beginning where I was first where I first removed him from truth versus news and from the raw deal fearsome for some additions that was done for maliciously attacking Brian Davidson who had simply excused himself from further participation with Vaca for the repetition and ongoing mantra It's the Jews, it's the Jews, it's the Jews.
His gross oversimplification claim I'm trying to suppress freedom of speech, where I'm only holding Rumble and Mitchute to account for not adhering to and enforcing their own terms of service.
Anyone who reads the complaints and statements of claims knows that to be the case.
They are a matter of public record.
So what's going on here?
An effort to destroy me has now become an effort to destroy the alt truth community.
His vicious, sadistic, and malicious videos now number 750 plus.
Just go to Bitchute, check out Victor Hugo, comment, Jim Fetzer, and see for yourself.
My Sandy Hook friends have told me that Sandy Hook promised, hired Victor to destroy my reputation out of concern my Dane County lawsuit might be reversed.
As Dave Geharry has astutely observed, a precocious seven-year-old could look at a few dozen Kaka Kavars and defend.
define him as a defamer a scoundrel everyone here can judge for themselves if Ivanka wanted to create an enormous audience for making a fool of himself.
He and his sockpapa Jane have succeeded spectacularly.
Review the court filings for yourself.
And they put together this staggering, well, I'm not showing it here, they had 195, 195 on their email list.
And a fellow actually with Intel connections reviewed them.
And he said it was an excellent list of people who are opposed to war.
They don't want the war in Ukraine with Russia.
They don't want the US attacking Iran.
They certainly don't want the genocide in Gaza.
So he felt his audience would actually be very sympathetic to me.
And I think after he made this colossal blunder, that may very well have been reinforced.
Your thoughts, Catherine, I don't believe Bill has read this, but I think you may have.
I also think, well, you're being tortured right now, a retaliation for what you just said.
Probably, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I could see that Bill was in agonizing pain.
So you just heard what he just said about, you know, how all the system is run.
And what they do these days is they use the chips So Bill's very good at this.
Nasty.
Nasty.
Yeah.
Right here in real time, Bersanya said just during our conversation, he's already been hit.
Yeah, exactly.
And then you can see him jove and just, they're trying to retaliate directly.
And by now, the retaliation is so shrill, they're doing it publicly.
So it's a cruel and unusual.
punishment directly live basically but uh regarding um uh victor hugo um uh several things i think uh Don't waste too much time on him because he is what's called the chatterbots in the intelligence community.
So chatterbots, they're just throwing shit at you, throwing shit at you, and you will spend your time meticulously going through every step and debunking the bullshit.
But by the time you're done with point one, there are fifty other points, and they just make them up and they just machine gun them out.
So at some point you just have to draw the line.
Yeah, yeah.
And just, Catherine, I of those 750, I'd probably not watch a half a dozen.
I mean, I'm not doing it.
I'm not letting him get to me.
Yeah.
I'm just monitoring what he's doing and recording it for the sake of the lawsuit.
And of course, it's not directed against him.
him but Mitchud and Rombal who even altered their algorithms.
So if you do a search on Jim Fetzer, Sandy Hook, you get Victor Hugo Vodka on Jim Fetzer.
You don't get me, you get him.
And that, in my opinion, is a smoking gun.
Yes, it is.
That is extremely important evidence, actually.
Just like that, I had a second point about vodka that I'll complete a statement.
Don't pay attention to him because after you look at all his points, you'll have fifty other points he's already made and it's just endless.
Yes.
One of the ways I got rid of all the people calling me a conspiracy theorist back there when I was opposing RussiaGate starting in 2016.
Yeah.
Even before Trump took office, I was saying that was bullshit.
Yeah.
And I had reason to say that.
And nobody wanted to address that, but they called me a conspiracy theorist until I went and when I did that, I, uh, after, uh, in November, by November of 2017, uh, Pompeo, who was a director of CIA at the time, was told to President Trump to talk to me if he wanted to get evidence about RussiaGate.
So I went in to talk to him, you know, and after that I went on RT and told everybody because I thought Pompeo was a bureaucrat.
My impression he was a bureaucrat right from the get-go.
And later on he proved that by coming out and saying, yeah, Russians did it when in fact they didn't.
And we know that now.
And they know it from the damn documentation now.
Of course.
Now they couldn't admit it at the time.
So that's why I knew he was a bureaucrat.
So I went on RTTV and just said and attacked everybody, everybody, the media, them all by simply addressing the fallacy of their argument and talking about their mental capacity to understand anything.
Yes.
And that made them look like mental midgets, which they are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I agree.
So the way to do it is just call them mental midgets because they can't figure that out.
Yeah.
Okay.
Pompeo has impressed me massively negatively.
I can't think of a single virtue he exemplifies, period, whatsoever.
Catherine.
I remembered what, thanks for the point, because I remembered what I want to say.
Be very aware and note the fact that we created this email list of anti-law, Ukraine anti-law.
to more emails because that in itself is evidence.
It has nothing to do with what you were talking about, as far as I know.
It is completely, you know, a situation.
However, when you create these email lists, you artificially create an association as far as the databases, the NSA databases are concerned, whereby, suddenly, you guys get root because this guy is emailing all of you.
So he's lumping you with the anti-wolf trial.
Now, the anti-wolf trial is already being monitored by the FBI.
They're on a shit list.
I remember that there was a hit list that was brought out, you know, against Jimmy Dore was on it.
and so on.
So be mindful that he might be actually setting up artificially plausible deniability.
Catherine, I'm already being monitored forever for decades.
And what I love was I could pull the rug out from under him.
I mean, it made him look like idiots claiming I I was just faking it because I had filed the fees.
If you actually read the pacer, you could see it said right there I'd filed the fees.
Oh, there was one.
It was forensic evidence.
Take it as forensic evidence that he lumped you with this anti-world Ukraine crowd that you have nothing to do with.
Well, well, but on my shows I'm very anti war.
I'm very anti Israel, anti Israel, anti genocide, anti Ukraine, all for pro Russia, pro Iran, pro Houthis, pro Hezbollah, pro Hamas.
I mean, it's well known.
In fact, I lost my relationship with my Hansen Dioc friends because they were all in for Israel and they cut me off when my name was on a petition to carry the genocide to the United Nations.
You know, that was for them the last drop.
But you know, I took the opposite tack.
I even created a video said why I, Jim Fetzer, am a conspiratorpiracy theorist and explaining some of my conspiracy theorists are investigating crimes that more often than not lead back to the government itself, which is why they want to suppress us.
So I took the opposite of grabbing the bull by the horns to defend it.
I was once asked, I was headed to a JFK conference in a TV station in Minneapolis interviewed me and they asked how I'd like to be referred to.
And I said, well, perhaps as a conspiracy analyst or a conspiracy realist because conspiracies are as American as they are.
I mean, they occur everywhere, every day, mostly economic.
In one of my very first articles entitled Thinking About Conspiracy Theories JFK 911, I even went through the latest edition of the New York Times, and on every single page there was a story you couldn't understand if you didn't realize it was a conspiracy, every page.
So, you know.
The state of the legal system, criminal conspiracy.
I think, I mean, you are really struggling, they really want the good show.
Yeah, I'm concerned, yes.
We need to.
Well, Bill says he's okay, but he's really in pain.
I can tell.
I can tell.
Just one final curiosity.
Did you see where one of my colleagues asked AI to analyze my lawsuit and it came out looking pretty damn good?
Did you see that?
Yes, I did.
And that means full steam ahead.
And also take everything that this guy, Victor Hidalovacca does as more evidence.
You are so past the point of no return that whatever they fold now, it's just going to be more evidence.
And for me, the situation of the email list is smoking gun evidence in itself.
Catherine, he's done, he's done 24 in the last 48 hours.
Yeah.
24.
I want to help him there.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Catherine was nailing that last week.
This is a production line.
He's just a frontman.
He's a chatterbox, as Catherine put it, a chatterbox.
Well, Bill, I want you to be able to recover from the hits.
I'm very grateful for your and Catherine's participation.
I really am enjoying our conversations.
And I wish we could talk about logic sometime.
Yes.
About logic.
You know, logic.
Yeah, logic.
You know, we gotta do that.
I'm into it.
I love it.
I love it.
We have sessions together.
Yeah, I always, because, you know, like when I, I think I told you when I went to Yale to talk to the math department up there, they asked me how much, how much calculus I did.
I said, well, I didn't do any because I'm not working with engineers and stuff.
I'm doing convergence and codes and data systems.
That's not calculus.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I said, you know, one of the things you need to teach up here, because wherever a mathematician goes, if they solve anything, they have to convince other people that, you know, it's a good thing to do, right?
So in order, you have to communicate to them in such a way that you can win, you can win them over with your your argument to say it's a good way to proceed, right?
To sell your product.
Yeah.
And I said the way to do that is to have them also take some courses in the philosophy of logic and just go through the types of arguments and syllogisms, construction and how you argue them and how to recognize them, how to defeat them, you know, how to bring everything back to reality, things like that.
Yeah.
And, you know, because if you don't, when you go in, that's what I ran into in the government.
Every time I turned around to try to do something, I got a bullshit line, you know, they would throw syllogisms at me from all sides.
We're all bullshit.
We just Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I'm really I could take them off.
I could take them off from the school of sophism back in ancient Greece.
Take, take.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you're really talking about informal fallacies and use of rhetoric as opposed to sound reasoning.
I taught courses in this build for 35 years.
35.
Next week, can you guys do a logic session?
We can talk about it.
That's only logical.
You're both wonderful.
I'm glad to see you in good health minus the attacks.
And you're just you're so resilient.
I admire you beyond words.
So Bill Benny, Katherine Horton, I can't thank you enough.
This Jim Fetcher concluding another real deal special conversation with Bill Benny and Katherine Horton under fire even as we speak.
Back next week.
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