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Aug. 28, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (27 August 2025): Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE!
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Welcome to Real Deal special once again my weekly interviews with Catherine Horton and Bill Benny, which I find quite delightful.
And we have several events taking place now that are of special interest, including a reported shooting in Minneapolis of all places, that I think is supposed to resurrect the concept of Sandy Hook.
But where I've investigated so many of these, like Las Vegas, Orlando, Parkland, and Sandy Hook itself, it looks like a staged event.
Among the evidence I have are reports about the mayor and the chief of police giving statements that appear to be previously written that they present with no emotion or affect whatsoever.
Plus, again, it might have been six or seven chewing gum talking about his classmate being shot in the back with absolutely no affect whatsoever.
Not even a wink.
No anguish, no nothing.
Catherine, Bill, I invite your comments.
Catherine, give me your take.
Can I open the floor?
Because I've been all over this.
She's the one doing she studies this.
Goodness, when it first flagged up.
So first of all, we should really show the table you have for how to recognize a false flag.
Because I think the first one is the guy has a manifesto.
So he also published an 11-minute video two hours before the shooting that has since been sprubbed, but I've got a copy.
And his manifesto is neatly handwritten by what I can only guess is a woman who's at least a millennial, because I don't think Gen Z can write like that.
They don't have the final thoroughx anymore.
So first of all, his manifesto was written by a woman.
She's probably millennial or even Jen.
Took a lot of time writing it out.
And it's pages and pages of this stuff.
Now, he's again a trans shooter.
And we had the other trans shooter that changed his shoes halfway through and then was shot without even plaster or window breaking behind him, even though, you know, law enforcement supposedly just offloaded like several rounds on him, right?
So we already had the trans shooter topic before and it was a false flag.
But also this time, his magazines had messages written on it, just like the one in Australia.
So we have these recurring themes.
And one of them.
I met at Topps Grocery Store in Buffalo, New York, had a weapon with all written up.
And it was like modeled after the Christ Church news, you know, where the driving around in a car and all that.
We did an analysis.
It had several different takes.
When you analyze the shadows and so forth, then they go firing point blank at the victims with no response.
Their heads aren't blowing apart like a pumpkin.
Total bullshit.
And I think you're talking again, we got more.
And think about how it's emotionally devoted, not only children, but in a church.
So it's a double whammy, right?
Oh, how awful.
Oh, this is just terrible.
Exactly.
But the most, I mean, what for me was a piece of cartel signaling, which is very topical, is that it said kill Trump.
Now, I didn't have time yet to go through all the messages on the magazines.
He had like a dozen of them.
But the kill Trump reference had nothing to do with this church shooting.
Absolutely nothing.
So for me, it's almost like the SBI puts out these deep state SBI that Clash Patel still doesn't have under control, keeps putting out these false flag operations, but they continue to cartel signal along the lines that James Colby was signaling on.
So for me, this whole thing had more importance regarding safeguarding the president's life than anything.
I mean, I watched a clip with a young boy giving the press conference just, I think a few hours after his friend was supposedly shot on top of him.
And as you say, he not just didn't have any emotions.
After what we discussed last week, when I used the eye movements and that repeated emphatic eye movements, Offson Wright are a clear sign of imagining a situation.
He imagined every time he was asked about the details.
So again, you know, it follows on Neati from what we discussed last week.
So the whole thing is just utter nonsense.
Now, the question is, why was it staged and why now?
Well, it's in Minnesota.
Yours truly was in Minnesota for nearly 20 years, not in Minneapolis.
It's a school shooting.
Is it going to be reminiscent of Sandy Hook?
I got to say, and I don't think I'm completely off base.
I think it may be related to my lawsuits against Rumble and BitChute because it's a tie-in where my Sandy Hook friends told me that Sandy Hook promised, which is still raking in a million bucks a month, Catherine, Bill, a million bucks a month off of a FEMA drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control.
And they're worried that my case might be reversed right here in Dane County and cut off their gravy train.
So, you know, these things are all interlocked because this Victor Hugo Vaca guy has been trashing me, claiming I threw my Sandy Hook case, which was absurd given I took it all the way to the Supreme Court and still to this day have four appeals pending.
How's that for throwing a case?
So I think you're absolutely right.
It is about the Supreme Court case.
And if it's really the case, I think the objective might be to kind of refresh the emotions because everybody on Two Social bottled, everybody.
The president lifted the flag onto half mask and everybody, all of his followers were just very, very sorry this happened.
Of course, if you take this bullshit seriously, that's your justified reaction.
But nothing about it for me looked real.
The other thing I was also suspicious AF was, did you see the number of law enforcement vehicles that just rocked up at that dang little church?
The entire street was just back-to-back police cars.
When ever, ever have they responded to a shooting like that?
I mean, I wish, but that's not the case, right?
And but if you want to keep people with cell phones far away from your stage little false flag operation, you would want to have back-to-back large vehicles, as much police as possible, everybody on the lookout, because they know that if they just record a snippet from anywhere nearby, they are done, they are totes.
In Sandy Hook, they have Dickinson drive the one access exit, totally clogged.
You couldn't have got an emergency vehicle in there if your life had depended on it, and nobody's life did, fortunately.
But it wasn't even an elementary school.
For that, you'd have to have a U-shaped or horseshoe-shaped driveway.
So buses come in, drop out the kids, and drive out, come in, pick up the kids, drive out without green traffic jams.
They only had one entrance because it wasn't even an elementary.
It was a special needs school.
And they didn't, they set it up early enough in 2006.
They put up the word elementary on the school and let it weather.
They wanted it to look weathered.
I mean, telling you the efforts they went to to pull this scam were unbelievable.
So are you telling me, Catherine, that the social media is buying what happened in Minneapolis as though it were real?
Yes, it is, unfortunately.
So President Trump himself put the big old, you know, American flags he erected on the right mask, blah, blah, blah.
And it's just, oh my goodness, these people, I still believe they're genuine, but they need to wisen up to this bullshit.
because I mean they have so much learning to do.
If I think back of how I first came across false flag operations, it was your work and all the demagogues work.
And then I started looking into it and I realized, oh, holy shit, yes, it's all fake.
It's all made up.
And then after you've seen several of these false flag operations, you can see the themes repeat, right?
Like the writing on the mag and the barrel of the gun.
And yeah, I also remember that in New Zealand, as the as he was shooting the rounds, the cartridges kept popping out and disappearing into the PGI was purposefully so crap because, you know, it was cleaning our faces.
Yeah.
Which is why you face a $10,000 fine if you even have a copy of the video.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah.
They got out of the way to suppress it.
I mean, it was supposed to be their centerpiece, but it was so amateurish and juvenile.
Yeah.
They had to suppress it.
Bill, have you fashioned any opinions about Minneapolis?
You didn't have time.
I didn't have, first of all, I didn't have time, but Jim, you have to remember, I'm a mathematician, so and I work with bits and bytes, letters and numbers and words, you know.
Yeah.
You can come in with me.
If there's something technical, I'm the kind of guy that gets into that.
You got it.
Bill comes in if we want to figure out the nationwide network of false flag operatives, including crisis actors, because when this is being prepared, they all telecommunicate, right?
So it would be in the NSA database.
If there's an organization behind it, we could get easily.
I do have, I think, the interview thing with his kid here.
Let's look at that.
Please, let's look at that.
Can you see it?
Yeah, you shared your screen.
I can see a Facebook.
I'm going to, let me see if I can adjust something here.
Interval screen.
Yeah.
So what do we got here?
Robert Jasso writes, the mass union, Minnesota probably sage or another false flag like most.
Right off the bat, he's calling it out.
The left will say that the shooter was a white supremacist, neo-Nazi, because he hated Jews and had the words destroyed Hias written on the rifle, written on OIC.
Yeah, writing on the rifle.
How juvenile is that?
To those who don't know, Hias is an open border Jewish organization.
The right will say the shooter was a Democrat because he was a transgender anti-Semite and hated Trump.
Both left and right-wing media will be blaming the other for the next few days.
Divide and conquer.
More gun laws to come.
Nothing new here.
Yeah, I think that's right.
Actually, before you move on, I want to point out the middle, the bottom middle picture.
You can see that it says kill Trump now on that picture.
So I think that for me is important because as I keep emphasizing, James Foome's kill order is still active.
We're looking for these activation votes that would activate the teams.
Now, if I were the secret service, I would take that seriously.
They kill Trump now.
What does that mean?
The whole thing is fake.
The whole thing is free from the FBI organized and all this falling trunt organizations.
And I would get on the case now because what is serious about this is the death threat against Trump.
We've also got a little video here.
Maybe I can get it to play.
Let's see if that's a possibility.
I think this is another video.
Look at this fake doctor they hired out of a porno movie.
Look at a listener to this.
I'm just showing this real quick.
My mom caught this.
Everybody, my mom with patients.
I know their status.
Do you know if anyone has been treated at any other locations?
My understanding was we had a lot of the non-critical patients that went to children's hospital.
And I believe one went to Masonic Children's Hospital as well.
Masonic, hey?
Masonic as he talks with the 13 behind him.
Yeah.
Let's send him up right with this 13 number behind him.
I don't know these people off the top of my head.
Children's Hospital.
So you got 13 ELP61.
I mean, I got.
Yeah, I don't know.
Do your thing, people.
I believe one went to Masonic Children's Hospital as well.
My understanding was we had a lot of the non-critical patients that went to Children's Hospital.
And I believe one went to Masonic Children's Hospital as well.
I don't know the status of any of those patients.
Oh, what do you make of that, Catherine?
Well, the reference to Masonic, given that James Comey's kill order was a Masonic kill order.
The 33, the eight was highlighted in yellow, which if we flip the three and 33, put it together, you get an eight.
So 33 was right in there.
Reference to Masonic and kill Trump now, that is what's important in all this bullshit.
So goodness, I think the Secret Service needs to start working all the time.
And Kat needs to push his head out of his ass, quite frankly, unceremoniously, because he has not been on top of any of this properly.
So, yeah.
It's still dumbfounding that when you wanted to give them national security information about protecting the life of the president of the United States, they wouldn't let you anywhere near him.
I mean, that's just astounding.
Bill, weren't you floored by your reception?
Yeah, I always would have thought that they would accept anybody's input of any kind of information that might pose it or expose a threat or even, you know, even jeopardy from things they may not be considering.
You know, they should at least accept the information and make a decision from there, you know?
They didn't seem to even want to do that.
That's a surprise.
And also, I think last time, did we mention how they rejected your paper documents?
They were not allowed to take paper.
I don't know.
Are you afraid it might be smeared in anthrax if we are handling it as well?
It was a yaw tip.
So they couldn't accept papers.
They had to take photographs of it.
They couldn't even accept the USB stick because, hey, it could have viruses.
The Secret Service has an entire cyber security department or cyber crime department proper.
Couldn't you find a virus scanner to run over a scum drive or use a dummy $100 laptop to plug it in?
So it was ridiculous.
And in the end, I said, okay, so if you don't accept any paper nor any data, do you have an email that we could maybe send?
Right?
And I'm not sure if I said it last time.
One of the special agents, and hey, special they are, wrote in his handwriting the tip line.
They have a tip line and the email.
Did I show it last time?
I'm not sure if people can read it.
That's his handwriting.
It's johnnyrockets at gmail.com.
Johnny is double H.
This was written, handwritten by a special agent onto the envelope that Bill had his documents in.
And I looked at him and I said, if this were a speech dating event and I asked you for an email and you give me this, I would pour my drink in your face and walk out because this is taking a piss, right?
Johnny Rockets is a restaurant chain.
So with a double H and you give me a Gmail address when you're the Secret Service for your tips, which means that Google, which is tied to the CIA and the FBI and all that, which actually tried to kill Trump, gets all your tips before you.
So Google AI runs over this before you even see it.
All right.
There's so many red flags.
I mean, if this, first of all, I'm not sure if this is a joke, because maybe they just looked at the retired technical director and thought, oh, he's a cook too.
So we give him the cook email.
But if this is genuine, oh my goodness, the first tip I'm going to send to the tip line is get a professional email dickhead.
This is ridiculous.
Right?
So this is the that is not even a government email address, Catherine.
I mean, this is just ridiculous.
Hulk.
It is.
They did kind of pay attention though when I was showing them how we discovered through shared attributes companies importing things to make IEDs against Iraq and Afghanistan or troops over there.
Also, I made the point that this is also how I pulled together Bernie Madolph's operation.
Opponents of them.
Because they have a, they're supposedly have a department that does financial fraud and stuff like that.
So I thought they'd be interested in that kind of crap.
You know?
Yeah.
But no phone calls.
After the second time, after I went, they said, are we allowed to call your home?
Are we allowed to fulfill the bill?
And I said, hey, he's waiting for the call.
Now, in the afternoon, there was one call from the Secret Service number, one call.
You didn't make it in time.
You need a double MPT.
And then he tried to call back and you couldn't get through.
So the call back was, you know, was blocked.
He never called a second time.
There was never an email.
It is so unprofessional.
It is breathtaking.
Well, it could have been deliberate that there not be a response so they could claim they made an effort and you were unreceptive or derelict.
Exactly.
That's exactly what they're saying.
You guys, not take it for themselves.
Yep.
And this is really worrying because there is an active kill order.
These, you know, there are refreshes from the FBI, kill Trump now.
This is horrifying.
So something is going to happen.
And as I keep emphasizing, you have to go back to the original team that pulled off Butler where I found half a dozen of leads, because the same team would be involved in some catastrophe because they would have to redeem themselves.
In the way the cartel works, if you ups quite so badly as not, you know, managing to kill the president from 130 yards away, you either get it right the second time around or you all die just to get rid of all the witnesses.
So this team is actually dead serious.
The people would have to redeem themselves and get to drive a second time or else they will all die.
Right?
They will all die.
Yeah, because you wouldn't want to have these big, especially when there are such a bunch of morons.
You wouldn't want these morons to continue living, just like they had a cleanup operation after JFK, right?
They have a cleanup operation after everything.
So if these people are still alive, they would be involved again.
So they have to be found.
I should point out though that she did show all the evidence that she had with the Butler event and the Balawan one to the local police here in town and they thought it was suspicious.
Worrying.
Yeah, the local police here thought it was.
And so here's the Secret Service.
You wonder what is wrong with these people.
Yeah.
And also, there's something wrong there.
Yeah, I think we see deep capture.
And also our police is not just any old police, they were both former Marines.
So they both recognized the Ace of Spades.
They both knew exactly what it meant.
They were both ripped out.
And one guy was actually from New York and he said, no, you would not ride.
I think I showed this horse at the junction in Lower Manhattan.
That was, it was really, they published the all systems goal sign to look for on the day at Butler.
And it was this horse rider with the flag.
So Trump flag on horseback.
And that was published by Trump's own social media team exactly on the day that the Butler value was announced.
So there's ties to the Trump's own social media team.
I showed this horse rider in Lower Manhattan to our police sergeant who worked in New York.
He grew up in New York, just a couple of blocks down from where this was.
And we said there's no way we would ever see a horse rider.
There's horse-drawn carriages near the park, but down there, there's no way we would never, ever see a horse rider.
So when this whole thing was staged, it was a very specific event.
So there are all these leads.
They all have to be followed up.
And meanwhile, the FBI does absolutely nothing.
They close the case because, hey, the shooter is dead, they said.
So now they should get to investigate.
Right.
Case closed.
Just like with Lee Oswald.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Case closed.
The fact that he couldn't possibly have shot JFK because he was in the doorway of the book depository when the motorcade passed by made not a wit of difference.
When they got the van, they got their man.
It is really worrying.
It is so worrying because if the whole, I mean, if anything happens, except the whole MAGA thing comes to a grinding hold, there's nobody to replace him.
So his safety is of absolute paramount importance.
And meanwhile, all I see is that the FBI is hoofing about and the people who put the system, four three, I would like to add, they are being blocked and treated like they are just, I don't know, homeless people off the street.
You know, I think I may have a little more about it.
Let me see if I can get in here.
We got that, of course.
We want to close that out.
You have the young guy, the really, really young kid?
I'm sorry, say again.
Oh, do you have the really young kids who talked about his friend being shot?
Oh, six or seven year old.
Yes.
Have that here.
Let me see what I do have here, though.
Hang on.
I think I have to link to that.
I can pull that up.
Yeah, because I got the news from today where I had it as the lead story.
Here it was.
Minneapolis, police shooting at Catholic school leaves, three dead, 17 injured.
Ah, you never, you're not seeing any bodies.
You're not seeing any blood.
You're getting a lot of fake emotion here, you know, and people walking around, and as you say, a massive turnout of police cars.
But none of that shows anything real actually happened.
And then I had here was one of my correspondents wrote in, I thought she was quite on it, Patty.
Jim, I just heard the end of the mayor's speech, and for sure it was memorized and rehearsed.
And now the chief is speaking in his as a written speech.
No one is sad or upset standing around the microphone.
Can't wait to see what you and Brian, that would be Brian Davidson, PI from Houston, do with this event.
Also, the mayor ended with, We love you.
So phony.
The country is still in happening under Trump.
Disturbing.
Catherine, don't you think she's got it right?
Yep.
And I just sent you an email with the link to the True Social as a video, but it can be played even without an account.
And that has the little six-year-old talking.
It's just a couple of seconds long.
I think that's it.
Have you got it there?
I can make you.
I sent it by email to you.
You should have it.
Oh, you did.
Okay.
I'll see what I can do with it.
Let me see here.
That is just, I mean, it's smoking gun.
Supposedly it's a bit, it's a, it's an eyewitness.
It's a child.
They typically, you know, even US at lying and adults are.
And he is, I said on True Social, cool as a cucumber, this little kid.
And supposedly, his friend was just sniped up his back, you know, shocked of his back.
Let me see if it shows.
I don't see it here.
Do you see the link?
The citizen repress link.
It's a social link I sent you.
No, I'm not.
I'm not seeing it, Catherine.
I've just posted it.
Oh, wait a minute.
There's a reason why I had a search here.
Here it comes.
Did you send it on the please join Zoom?
I sent, and I didn't send it on Zoom.
It's an email from Phil's email address.
Yeah, here it is.
Yeah, and it's yeah.
Let's see what this little guy has to say.
Incredible act of bravery.
Yeah.
My friend was lying on top of me, making sure I was safe, and he got hit.
That was really brave of him.
Can you share the screen with sound?
Yeah, I think he's going to be okay.
Well, we can't see it, Jim.
He was, like, laying on top of me.
Yeah, we can't see it.
We can't see it.
You have to share the screen with us.
Oh, you can.
Rave of him.
You can't see it.
You can't see it.
You have to share the screen again.
It says, I'll have to figure out.
Let me see here.
in a different way and that that for me was smoking gun This was for you a smoking gun.
Yeah, need that kid.
It's just this kid.
Yeah.
Let me see.
Can you see it?
Yeah.
Yeah, we can see it.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think he's going to be okay.
And then my friend, he was like laying on top of me, like making sure I was safe.
And he got hit.
So that was really brave of him.
You have a neck on your neck?
Yeah, I don't even know what it is.
I don't think debris or something.
That came from during this.
Yeah.
How are you feeling?
You seem pretty put together here, but it's got to be tough.
Yeah, I'm just like confused.
Now, how much line did anybody spot?
If you just use the eye movement, Lee just had three emphatic right looks.
So he looks emphatically to the right.
When he talks about this guy lying on top of him, he remembers something.
And that must have been a rehearsal.
But then he says, oh, yeah, I think he's going to be okay.
He got shot.
Excuse me.
If a six-year-old gets shot, you know, by one of those weapons, he's most definitely never going to be okay again.
The other thing is, you know, the sting with this thing on the on the neck.
I'll say, oh, you've got it all.
It looks like a mole to me.
It did.
It looked like a mole to me too.
That was nothing.
Yeah, and it's supposedly a shrapnel.
And then I was thinking, hang on.
So you little six-year-old are running around with a piece of shrapnel, which could be anything.
It could be your friend's, you know, bit of his skull or his hipboat stuck in your throat.
And nobody bothered to pull it out and bandage it, put a band-aid on it, maybe, you know.
Hey, he's just running around with shrapnel in his neck as a six-year-old.
Just another day, you know, another day in Minneapolis.
It's just ludicrous.
Yeah.
I've noticed he's just chewing gum the whole time.
Yeah.
You know, casual as can be.
No, no emotion there.
No emotion there whatsoever.
Not the least anxiety, fear.
Yeah.
The one time the kid definitely said the truth is when he said his friend's going to be okay.
He's like, no, he's going to be okay.
Yeah.
Full, you know, coherence.
Yes, his friend's going to be okay because nothing ever happened to his friends.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Wow.
Love it.
I'm glad you sent that along.
Very good.
Very, very good.
Let me see if I can pull up this, some other stuff too here.
Because in addition, you know, I find it interesting.
Here I have, I'm sharing the law enforcement false flag checklist, Catherine, you were speaking of.
And, you know, I'm just glad to get it out.
No surge of EMTs, no sting ambulances, no mede-vac chabras.
I don't think we saw any of them there in Minneapolis.
So that's that's all consistent.
No blood, no bodies, dead shooter.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Conflicting stories, crisis actors, instant publicity indeed.
No investigation, calls for action, massive coverage.
I want to encourage people to watch how to spot a false flag.
And you and I did a special four-part version of that, Catherine.
That was simply wonderful.
And extra kudos, the how to spot the false flag was banned.
I tried, was banned by YouTube.
I uploaded it to my YouTube and I got three strikes or two strikes in the first two videos and I never dared to upload the third.
But it was banned instantly.
Really?
Yeah.
That's not on my YouTube.
I love those videos and the interviews we did, but YouTube did not want them at all.
Well, they're awfully informative.
I mean, I'm doing Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, Parkland, Las Vegas.
I mean, and they're also blatant, Orlando.
I mean, they're so fraudulent if you know how to look at them.
You know, if you get have a hang for it.
And I love it because they're so edifying.
Yeah.
And I remember when we did the interviews, you also allowed me to mouth off in between and talk about the cartel signaling, the coded symbol that was in wonder.
And it just fit perfectly with what you were talking about.
That's a great ad.
One of my favorite interview series.
It's really yeah, wonderful, wonderful.
Well, you know, I'm beginning Conspiracy 101, false flags and conspiracy theories next week.
So on Wednesday, the 3rd is the first class.
15 classes.
Actually, there's even a break.
It runs for 16.
I may have something special to do on the winter break on December 5th, but I'm looking forward to it.
I did it about, I don't know, five years ago and enjoyed it.
And it's part of my wanting to give back to the country from which I benefited so much.
And we'll see how it goes, but I sure enjoy it.
And the first assignment they're going to have, Catherine, is to watch how to spot a false flag part one and part two as our first assignment.
Very first.
I love it.
I love it.
They'll get the hang of it already, already, already.
It's just wonderful.
And it's so topical because they will not run out of false flag operations anytime soon.
Do you think it's going to stop anytime soon, Bill?
No, I think we're in for the same kind of rig and roll we've had for quite some time.
Yeah.
Rig and Marole, very, very polite way to describe bullshit.
I could have called it horseshit.
I love it.
But you know, the other piece of news that comes to my mind, which ties in with all of this, is so what I actually wanted to say is the problem is the Trump administration tries to do amazing things.
They're massively overworked because there's just so much to repair in this country.
But the other thing is that the people they put into the FBI, I don't think they're up to speed with the nonsense that the FBI has been pulling beyond their own cases.
I think Kash Patel is very aware of his own case and anybody who was involved in Russia Gate or who got harmed by law fair at the highest level.
But I don't think he studied false flag events or directed energy weapons from Central Atlantic or neural weapons.
He has no idea.
I liken these guys, Bon Gino and him, to Little Red Riding Hood, and they are about to get sleeve by the big black bulls at the FBI.
But the problem is when you're in those positions, you really have to know your stuff better than the mind control operatives who you are supposedly controlling in your agency.
And they do not.
So this lack of actual subject matter expertise is terrible right now.
But also, Trump is being information is being gate kept from him.
And he just went headlong into this Minneapolis stuff and bought it straight away because his advisors told him so.
But also, I think it was yesterday that he announced, and he presents it like it's the best thing ever.
He held up a little graphic in his Oval Office press conference and he said, Mark Zuckerberg is now building an AI facility that's the size of Manhattan.
And he had a map of Manhattan and he had this little anger diagram.
And I just thought, hang on, Mark Zuckerberg ranks on the ranking of evil motherfuckers right at the top with Fauci and Bill Gates.
He did all the censorship.
He suppressed any information about the scandemic and anything that could be suppressed.
He did it.
And now he's building this huge AI facility that's as big as Manhattan and nobody is worried about it.
If that AI capable, you will be commenting.
Sorry, I talked too much, but I just wanted to say that air capability, what will it do to us, Bill?
You don't understand the power that that kind of information gives to anybody who's got it.
I mean, that gives them the power to manipulate people, to control people, to direct the masses in certain directions.
You know, it's called population control.
That's what I call this all about for the last 24 years.
I've been saying this.
The idea is how can you control the population?
That's what I testified to the Bundestag in Germany and also to the House of Lords in England and to the Austrian parliament, to the EU Parliament.
They came out with some tough laws about that.
So, they did something over here.
We did absolutely nothing.
Yeah, you've been a cyber profit, Bill.
There's no doubt about it.
Your reputation here is legion.
And I think there's a hidden problem here, physically cooling these data sets require a huge amount of water.
As big as Manhattan, what's that going to take?
Lake Superior?
Are we going to have to drain it to cool this data center?
It's insane.
The desire, the thirst for technology may lead us with no water to drink.
And we know the rule of threes.
Three minutes without air, three days without water, three weeks without food.
I mean, this may be the end of our nation in quest for technological domination.
You know, the we discussed earlier on your show, in an earlier show, anyway, the way to fix the government, how to focus in and do a professional job at any kind of threat, criminal or whatever, military, whatever anywhere in the world.
Well, we were doing that program inside the NSA in the 1990s.
And to do it, it took three racks of equipment.
Three racks that had a footprint of a three-foot by three-foot by eight-foot, each rack.
Now multiply that by three.
That's all it took to do this job that way.
It didn't take the million square foot in Buckdale or the 600,000 down in San Antonio or the other million in Fort Meade.
It didn't take that.
It took three racks of equipment.
If you do it right, it's damn cheap and you're effective because you're focused on real relevant material.
And you could find things, set threats that way.
They can't find them now.
I even gave the documentation from Snowden.
He published, or WikiLeaks published the Snowden material.
It showed internal memos from the analysts in NSA and MI5 and GCH because they can't figure out the threat coming because there's too much data.
Too much data.
They made themselves dysfunctional by doing that too.
And so when I went into talk to the House of Lords, I went in with a basic statement saying, bulk data kills people because you people can't see the threat coming.
You can't stop it.
So everybody gets killed.
Then you do a forensic job.
That's a police job.
That's not an intelligence job.
Intelligence needs to produce intentions and capabilities, not forensics.
Yes.
Too late then.
And I think the average person, well, the average taxpayer, what they need to realize is that all the capabilities that you need to do national security properly, the actual analysis bit fits.
I mean, three racks would fit into this office, right?
Oh, it would fit right here on the other side of the desk we're sitting in front of, okay?
An average-sized home office.
You can fit it in there.
You already explained that you can even program your phone to run over every person in 10 seconds or less in the world.
You could pick out, you know, with a simple setup, you can pick out terrorist activity or child trafficking or drug trafficking.
And because it takes decades to groom these people and train them and deploy them, once you have unmasked it once, that's it.
That's it until they regrow their networks.
So it's not a continuous job.
So that is when you do it properly.
It's super cheap, super cheap, super energy efficient, super quick.
And when you've done it, you're done.
You can close the FBI and go home, right?
Well, the point is also, when I did that, it was set up in such a way that there was no mathematical limit to what it could manage.
So in other words, you could throw trillions of docs, trillions upon trillions of actions at it, and it can manage it easily.
It was scalable.
It was scalable.
I could see no limit to it.
Yeah.
But the contrast, what they're doing now and what they have brainwashed Trump to sign up the country for.
One of the other statements that Trump did is that the companies that approached him, the AI, you know, Gaggle, they said, oh, sir, we need as much power as the country is using now.
So they are now preparing to have a second electricity energy system just for AI.
So New York will have a shadow dark New York that is just powering AI.
Now, if you just think back and think about what would this much processing power do, would it just unmask terrorist activity, as I just explained?
You can do it with your freaking phone in a day.
Okay.
You can unmask terrorist activity within any cell phone and a bit of processing power, right?
Let me give you, I can give you an example.
I came up to a, I had a mathematical solution to a problem that I put into when I first got a desktop computer.
It was a 64K RAM, two-disk drive, 64K each drive, two-disk drives and a 64K RAM.
I came up with a mathematical solution to this one problem that could take and manage any possibility they could throw at it anyway.
And I put it on this two-disk drive, 64K RAM PC.
I got a guy to code it for me, a really good guy doing coding.
And it beat the processing of eight, six or eight banks of computer banks.
Now that meant, you know, something like a 100-foot by 50-foot bank in per bank, and they had, you know, 20, 30 computers in each bank.
So it beat the entire mass programming processing of NSA.
This one little desktop PC.
The difference was the code, the smart code, the smart way to do it, and the focused attack by that code.
And the mathematical solution by the math team, that's what I would like to call it, right?
That was the special sauce that enabled all that.
The secret sauce.
The secret sauce.
And that's the thing that Trump doesn't understand because when he was given this proposal, I would have just said, sir, now lean back, take a deep breath and ask yourself, doesn't that sound like inefficiency to you when you have, you need the processing power of your entire country again to get some shit done?
What the hell for?
What do we need this stuff for?
Right.
And the other thing is that nobody asked for this AI bullshit.
That's what really gets me.
He brought it in in day two, the Stargate AI, and nobody asked for it.
It was, they didn't feature anywhere on his rally.
I think it was mentioned a few times towards the end.
And he brought it in on day two.
But the things, the capabilities we're talking about are not what they are presented to be.
Need this amount of processing power for sure.
If you want to have for every human being in the United States a mirror Ai that will not just monitor their brain weights but hijack them.
If every person is meant to have a personal Ai torturer, like Bill and I have because we have these body empaths, then yes, you actually do need a parallel society that is powering Ai.
You know algorithms to hijack people.
That's when you need this much processing power.
So it is an absolute nightmare he's riding the country into because he doesn't have anybody who understands the fundamental science in his administration.
And now you bring it back to this, false flag operations.
When they have this amount of Ai, they can just generate fake videos that look like they come from us, but they are just entirely fake.
They can copy our voices, our mannerisms, our faces and, and then the likes of Victor and Hiko will not just put out these little shitty videos every couple of hours.
They would be putting out fake videos claiming that they are, for example, ours.
Well, I think you were very discerning to suggest that the covers were being generated by Ai Catherine, and I have other sources telling me that Victor himself is technically incompetent.
He can't even edit a video.
So he's clearly got a support team where he's kind of the front man providing the content and then they take it from there.
I'm intrigued that you think I might be right, that this shooting could potentially be related to my lawsuit, because, you know, this is actually a pretty big deal, and it turns out that Victor tried to attack it, claiming I'd made a colossal blunder that I'd never filed the fees for the cases to be entered into the court system.
system.
It's interesting actually Jim, just pause for a second, because this is, this is forensic goal.
So how come that this supposedly random guy now takes such deep care about your whole fees filing?
You see what I mean?
Because supposedly he's just getting upset about stuff that was said about him he's not tied to your court case when he's now getting into the nitty-gritty of your court fighting.
Oh my god, what is this smell?
Oh, I think it's the FBI, right?
Why would anybody care about the fee filing for crying out, we?
We do have to uh explain what she means by FBI.
Sure, that means the FBI that everybody understands is the organization under uh Hashtatel now, but it also includes the IC, the intelligence community.
Yeah, and that's because, that's because personal rotates.
Well, that the FBI is a part of the IC yeah, so I mean you know they're included in that.
Yeah, but also Mossad will stay in and out of the FBI or the intelligence community, The MI6 collaborative efforts around the world.
Yeah, I also have the witness test of the testimony written affidavit by a former MI6 agent who just openly said that yes, they work for Mossad, they work for CIA, they work for other agencies as well, and they 3D rotate.
So, yeah, that's what I mean by FBI.
I mean the intelligence community, but when they deploy English speakers to target you specifically, Jim, the FBI would get upset if they were not involved.
So, as a short hand, I say FBI.
But I'm just going to show you on the shit list of Mossad and MI6 also.
So, be proud.
That was what I was going to suggest.
I think this may be most odd.
I mean, that's my impression.
They have a hell of a role running the United States.
This is very curious how they committed this colossal blunder.
Apparently, a woman with the initials, what is it, VP, told him that by looking, the judge had written this thing denying my barber petition.
And of course, he did deny my bauber petition, but that didn't mean I hadn't paid.
In fact, I had paid.
So I explained here, you know, my response.
There's a statement.
You have to pay to even get it considered.
Yeah.
You got to pay to file.
I had shared a petition going into the Supreme Court with another fellow suing him on basically on the mass surveillance, you know.
Yeah.
And it was unconstitutional.
Yeah.
And I put all of it in my testimony of all this stuff about what I invented for them so they could do it.
You know, so it was telling him how this crap was done.
And I put that affidavit to the Supreme Court and I shared that and we spent a little over three thousand dollars to do it.
That's what the thing was at that time.
That was 2017.
Yeah, Supreme Court prefers a certain formatting and all that.
So it's very fancy.
And, you know, just because I, when I went to the court, I was just pro se representing myself.
And I was able to cut the expenses down to about 10% of what you'd have to do if it were formally.
So I had an advantage by being my own lawyer.
And I found there are other advantages there too, because the lawyers I've dealt with in general have not impressed me in a favorable fashion.
I was explaining here how there's a standard procedure for filing cases in the federal courts where, if appropriate, a self-representing litigant may file a poverty petition to circumvent filing fees because of their indigent status with a million-dollar lien from my Dane County Sandy Hook case,
where I carried it to the U.S. Supreme Court and currently have four appeals pending.
I submitted such a request, which was denied.
So I ponied up the filing fees, a 405 with a bit shoot, Deep State Protocols, Inc., and Rumble cases to be filed.
Copies below.
I mean, I even, you know, I've got the copies of here, the receipt from Payton for these filing fees.
So I continue.
What we have here is a classic example of the Vaca style, where take some word, phrase, or expression out of context and exaggerate grossly to make it easier to attack.
Bach has done that from the beginning, where I was first, where I first removed him from truth versus news and from the raw deal, fearsome forsome additions.
That was done for maliciously attacking Brian Davidson, who had simply excused himself from further participation with VACA for the repetition and ongoing mantra.
It's the Jews.
These days, his gross oversimplification claim I'm trying to suppress freedom of speech, where I'm only holding Rumble and BitChute to account for not adhering to and enforcing their own terms of service.
Anyone who reads the complaints and statements of claims knows that to be the case.
They are a matter of public record.
So what's going on here?
An effort to destroy me has now become an effort to destroy the alt-truth community.
His vicious, sadistic, and malicious videos now number 750 plus.
Just go to BitChute, check out Victor Huga, Kama, Jim Fetzer, and see for yourself.
My Sandy Hook friends have told me that Sandy Hook promised, hired Victor to destroy my reputation out of concern my Dane County lawsuit might be reversed.
As David Gehery has astutely observed, a precocious seven-year-old could look at a few dozen cock of covers and define him as a defamer and a scoundrel.
Everyone here can judge for themselves.
If Vaca wanted to create an enormous audience for making a fool of himself, he and his sockpapa Jane have succeeded spectacularly.
Review the court filings for yourself.
And they put together this staggering, well, I'm not showing it here.
They had 195, 195 on their email list.
And a fellow actually with Intel connections reviewed them.
And he said, it was an excellent list of people who are opposed to war.
They don't want the war in Ukraine with Russia.
They don't want the US attack in Iran.
They certainly don't want the genocide in Gaza.
So he felt this audience would actually be very sympathetic to me.
And I think after he made this colossal blunder, that may very well have been reinforced.
Your thoughts, Catherine, I don't believe Bill has read this, but I think you may have.
I also, I think, you'll be tortured right now, a retaliation for what you just said.
So probably, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I could see that Bill was in agonizing pain.
So if you just heard what you just said about, you know, how all the system is run, and what they do these days is they use the chips in his legs to inflict debilitating pain on him.
So Bill is very good at this.
Nasty.
Yeah.
Right here in real time, Brisania said just during our conversation, he's already been hit.
Yeah, exactly.
And then you can see him jove and just they're trying to retaliate directly.
And by now, the retaliation is so shrill, they're doing it publicly.
So it's a cruel and unusual punishment directly lies, basically.
But regarding Bakka, Victor Hugo Vaca, several things.
I think don't waste too much time on him because he is what's called the chatterboss in the intelligence community.
He's a chatterbos.
They're just throwing shit at you, throwing shit at you.
And you will expend your time meticulously going through every step and debunking the bullshit.
But by the time you're done with point one, there are 50 other points and they just make them up and they just machine gun them out.
So at some point, you just have to draw the line.
Yeah, yeah.
And just tip it.
Catherine, of those 750, I'd probably not watch a half a dozen.
I mean, I'm not doing it.
I'm not letting him get to me.
I'm just monitoring what he's doing and recording it for the sake of the lawsuit.
And of course, it's not directed against him, but Witch and Romball, who even altered their algorithms.
So if you do a search on Jim Vetzer, Sandy Hook, you get Victor Hugo Vaca on Jim Vetzer.
You don't get me, you get him.
And that, in my opinion, is a smoking gun.
Yes, it is.
That is extremely important evidence, actually.
I had a second point about Raca, but now I'll completely escape him.
So don't pay attention to him because after you look at all his points, you'll have 50 other points he's already made.
And it's just endless.
One of the ways I got rid of all the people calling me a conspiracy theorist back there when I was opposing Russia Gate starting in 2016.
Yeah.
Even before Trump took office, I'm saying that was bullshit.
And I had reason for saying that.
And nobody wanted to address that, but they called me a conspiracy theorist until I went when I when they did that, I after the, and by November of 2017, Pompeo, who was the director of CIA at the time, was told that President Trump could talk to me if he wanted to get evidence about Russia gate.
So I went in to talk to him, you know, and after that, I went on RT and told everybody because I thought Pompeo was a bureaucrat.
My impression, he was a bureaucrat right from the get-go.
And later on, he proved that by coming out and saying, yeah, Russians did it, when in fact they didn't.
And we know that now.
And they know it from the damn documentation now.
Of course.
Now they couldn't admit it at the time.
So that's why I knew he was a bureaucrat.
So I went on RTTV and just said and attacked everybody, everybody, the media, them all, by simply addressing the fallacy of their argument and talking about their mental capacity to understand anything.
Yes.
And that made them look like mental midgets, which they are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I agree.
So the way to do it is just call them mental midgets because they can't figure that out.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Pompeo has impressed me massively, negatively.
I can't think of a single virtue he exemplifies, period, whatsoever, Catherine.
I remembered what, thanks for the pointer, because I remembered what I wanted to say.
Be very aware and note the fact that he creates this email list of anti-war, Ukraine anti-war emails, because that in itself is evidence.
It has nothing to do with what you were talking about as far as I'm aware.
It is completely.
However, when you create these email lists, the artificially creates an association as far as the databases, the NSA databases are concerned, whereby suddenly you guys get through it because this guy is emailing all of you.
So he's lumping you with the anti-war crowd.
Now, the anti-war crowd is already being monitored by the FBI.
They are on a shit list.
I remember that there was a hit list that Rods brought out, you know, against Jimmy Door was on it and so on.
So be mindful that he might be actually setting up artificially plausible deniability.
Catherine, I'm already being monitored forever for decades.
And I found that.
What I love was I could pull the rug out from under him.
I mean, it made him look like idiots, claiming I was just faking it because I hadn't filed the fees.
If you actually read the pacer, you can see it said right there I'd filed the fees.
But it was one nitwick.
It's like forensic evidence.
Take it as forensic evidence that she lunged you with this anti-war Ukraine crowd that you have nothing to do with.
Well, well, but on my shows, I'm very anti-war.
I'm very anti-Israel, anti-Israel, anti-genocide, anti-Ukraine, all for pro-Russia, pro-Iran, pro-Houthis, post-Haspola, Pol Hamas.
I mean, it's well-known.
In fact, I lost my relationship with my hand to Sandy Hook friends because they were all in for Israel and they cut me off when my name was on a petition to carry the genocide to the United Nations.
You know, that was for them the last straw.
But, you know, I took the opposite tack.
I haven't created a video said why I, Jim Fetzer, am a conspiracy theorist and explaining some of my conspiracy theorists are investigating crimes that more often than not lead back to the government itself, which is why they want to suppress us.
So I took the opposite of grabbing the bull by the horns to defang it.
You know, I was once asked, I was had to do a JFK conference in a TV station in Minneapolis, interviewed me and they asked how I'd like to be referred to.
And I said, well, perhaps as a conspiracy analyst or a conspiracy realist, because conspiracies are as American as apple pie.
I mean, they occur everywhere, every day, mostly economic.
In one of my very first articles entitled Thinking About Conspiracy Theories, JFK 9-11, I even went through the latest edition of the New York Times.
And on every single page, it was a story you couldn't understand if you didn't realize it was a conspiracy.
Every page.
So, you know.
The state of the legal system, criminal conspiracy.
I think you are really struggling.
They really ramp up future.
Yeah, I'm concerned.
Yes, yes.
We need to.
Well, Bill says he's okay, but he's really in pain.
I think that's a terrible thing.
I can tell.
I can tell.
Just one final curiosity.
Did you see where one of my colleagues asked AI to analyze my lawsuit and it came out looking pretty damn good?
Did you see that?
Yes, I did.
And that means full steam ahead.
And also take everything that this guy, Victor Nigo Vaca, does, as more evidence.
You are so past the point of no return that whatever they fold now, it's just going to be more evidence.
And so the creation of the email list is smoking gun evidence in itself.
Catherine, he's done 24 in the last 48 hours.
Yeah.
24.
Yeah, absolutely.
Catherine was nailing that last week.
This is a production line.
He's just a front line.
He's a chatterbox, as Catherine put it, the chatterbox.
Well, Bill, I want you to be able to recover from the hits.
I'm very grateful for your and Catherine's participation.
I really am enjoying our conversations.
And I wish you'll talk about logic sometime.
Yes.
About logic.
You know, logic.
Logic.
Logic.
You know, we got to do that.
I'm into it.
I'm into it.
I love it.
Yeah, I always, because, you know, when I, I think I told you when I went to Yale to talk to the math department out there, they asked me how much calculus I did.
I said, well, I didn't do any because I'm not working with engineers and stuff.
I just and codes and data sets.
That's not calculus.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I said, you know, one of the things you need to teach up here, because anywhere a mathematician goes, if they solve anything, they have to convince other people that, you know, it's a good thing to do, right?
So in order, you have to communicate to him in such a way that you can win them over with your argument to say it's a good way to proceed, right?
To sell your product.
And I said, the way to do that is to have them also take some courses in the philosophy of logic and just go through the types of arguments and syllogisms, construction, and how you argue them, how to recognize them, how to defeat them, how to bring everything back to reality, things like that.
And because if you don't, when you go in, that's what I ran into in the government.
Every time I turned around to try to do something, I got a bullshit line.
They would throw syllogisms at me from all sides.
It was all bullshit.
I can take them off from the school of sophism back in ancient Greece.
Well, you're really talking about informal fallacies and use of rhetoric as opposed to sound reasoning.
I taught courses in this bill for 35 years.
35 years.
Next week, can you guys do a logic session?
We can talk about it.
That's only logical.
It's only logical.
Well, you're both wonderful.
I'm glad to see you.
And good health minus the attacks.
And you're just, you're so resilient.
I admire you beyond words.
So, Bill Benny, Catherine Horton, I can't thank you enough.
This is Jim Fetzerk concluding another real deal special conversation with Bill Benny and Catherine Hort under fire, even as we speak.
Back next week.
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