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Aug. 15, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (14 August 2025): Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE!
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Well, it's my great pleasure to continue the series of real-time specials with Bill Binney and Catherine Horton under fire.
We'll get the latest about directed energy attacks and so forth, but I'm very eager to learn how the two of you have been faring, how are things going, and your thoughts about some very important developing events, including the summit in Alaska tomorrow.
Bill, do you have an initial thought about this summit?
Is it going to come to anything?
Is it a risk to Putin?
Is it a political theater.
My suspicion has been they may have already had the agreement.
It would make sense if they're there to announce it, not to actually negotiate.
Your thoughts?
Well, I tend to agree with you to some degree, at least to be able to get out a framework for a resolution that's acceptable to all parties.
I mean, I think everyone has a vested interest to finish this bloodshed and waste of, you know, waste of the I mean, the Russian economy is going to fall apart.
You know, we're spending a lot of money.
So Europeans are, people are spending money on this useless war for killing us.
I think everyone has a vested interest in ending it.
Well, not Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
He wants it to go on and on.
In fact, he's been categorical about rejecting the idea of any territorial concessions.
He wants Russia out even from Crimea.
He wants Russia to give reparations.
He still wants to join NATO.
I mean, Bill, I think the situation is truly at loggerheads.
And this is, I believe, why Zelenskyy wasn't included in the conversation.
Well, I think one of the issues could go away.
It has to do with NATO.
If NATO accepts Ukraine as a member of the NATO.
They also have to accept Russia.
Yeah.
Well, part of NATO, then fine.
Just to tell you, I have encountered a fascinating interview with a guy pointing out that there appears to be a systematic effort to weaken Russia's capacity for a nuclear response.
You remember those attacks on those planes deep into Russia that was so peculiar.
We had the alleged earthquake, which I'm sure was man made, took out their Sevastopol submarine fleet.
There have been a whole host of these.
And this is someone putting the dots together and suggesting NATO may be going for a decapitation strike against Russia, where Mendavev and others have warned, but they have a dead hand.
They have an automatic retaliation if Russian leadership were taken out.
Catherine, your thoughts?
Well, I think Russia and the US have a lot in common because they both, I mean, the US certainly is right now under Trump, but they both.
To restore their former prosperity from a long time ago, they both have to cycle out of this Western subjugation system that's based on the secret societies and the Freemasons and the central banks and all that.
Now what people tend to forget is that both Russia and the US run under a central bank system controlled by the BIS, the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland.
They are both colonies.
So when we look at these altercations, it only goes up to a certain level.
I think I might have quoted it here on this show last time that MI six whistleblower pages called this Masonic Office politics.
So I do not believe that it will go to a nuclear big showdown.
It's just too much.
Too much has, of course, there will be swashbuckling, but I don't think it comes to it.
The other thing is also, if Russia had a wit of the impression that it might come to that, it would never be the case that Putin, you know, would come to US soil.
I'm, yeah.
A world power would not go to the, to the territory of another world power if some big showdown was to be expected, because assassination would be just so easy.
I'm worried about that.
We had what looked to me like a false flag, a fake event where they supposedly shot in and killed a Ukrainian assassin who was supposed to be there to take out Trump.
But I think they did that just to lay the groundwork for a real attempt against Putin.
Because they'll say, well, you know, Trump got lucky but Putin didn't.
I think it's dumb of him to come to Alaska, Bill.
Could I be right about that?
Well, I certainly think that all things are possible here, because you never know what the secret society is doing.
I mean, you never know the setups that they're actually planning behind secret doors.
That's why the intelligence community is such a threat to the existence of our republic, because everything is being done in secret.
You know, you just don't know.
I mean, for example, the only thing I could prove that would show any relationship to the Russia gate, Russia gate, was pointing back at CIA as the originator of all this stuff.
Meanwhile, this came from the inside of our own government, which is a secret society, that means the intelligence agency.
Yeah, meanwhile, the only genuine leads I could find about the Butler assassination attempt that weren't complete local pointed back to US intelligence as well.
So when I actually haven't heard at all about the Ukrainian assassin being taken out, I would love to hear more about it because I had my head so high., you know, far up the clouds and other things, I couldn't keep track of this.
42 years old had a couple of handguns and a rifle, relatively high quality.
Supposedly he was shot dead because he pulled a gun when they attacked him.
But it looks to me a little too cut and dry.
The Ukrainian served with the Ukrainian Department of Defense and all that.
I really think it's to lay a foundation for realizing, oh, there can be an assassination attempt.
Everyone's thinking about drop, then they actually get Putin.
Though, you know, there are others standing in the wings who are more dedicated to Russian nationalism and would be more aggressive in settling the war like Mandov.
I think that he would be much more aggressive.
Yeah, I think ultimately the ones to fear are the deep state and the intelligence agencies and the so-called Crown Corporation, which is this super structure above all the secret societies.
So that is the true organized crime cartel that is also asset stripping Russia through their central bank, just as it's asset stripping the United States.
So I actually think that Putin and.
and Trump should get along marvelously.
The other thing about Zelensky not being there, actually, by the way, not even the Europeans are there.
Now, that's a power play.
That is really the US and Russia asserting themselves independently from their, you know, previous slave masters.
And Ukraine will experience exactly what my country, you know, Transylvania experienced that you don't have a say when superpowers divide up your country.
Zelensky has absolutely no say.
He doesn't have gravity.
He doesn't have recognition.
I mean, his personality is just, you know, little, little twerk who's doing gay.
dances as an entertainer before.
He just doesn't feature on the world stage.
So what I'm really hoping is that this war will come to an end and both Russia and the US will walk away satisfied.
That's my feeling.
We'll walk away satisfied.
You gotta run that by me, get Gavin.
That's all I have to say.
Well, okay.
Well, for Russia, I think all the territory that they got, they will keep.
They will freaking keep.
I mean, any reparations, are you kidding me?
That's costly.
I can tell you that's off the list.
And no territory will be given back, no reparations.
Basically, they will cast it in stone and Zelensky will shut the F up.
And that is just that.
That's what I'm expecting.
Because, you know, Trump would, if that's the deal, Russia would be like, okay, right, you know, nice to meet you.
Love Alaska, really lovely place.
You know, it's a bit like Vladivostok, you know, bye.
And Trump would be returning, you know, back to DC saying, there we go.
It's my, what, seventh or eighth peace deal, you know, done and dusted.
That's what I expect, genuinely.
Did you see where Trump won a $50 million bounty on Maduro's head, the president of Venezuela.
I mean, how stupid is that?
He could win a $100 million bounty on Trump's head.
Plus, you know, three presidents, Carter Reagan and Ford signed executive orders against the assassination of leaders of foreign states.
So I think that was about as dumb a thing as anyone could have done.
I mean, yeah, it is.
about as dumb a thing as anyone could have done.
It wasn't a bounty.
It was a bounty.
This will sound cynical, but so the way I heard it is that there was 50, just 50 million dollars for information about his whereabouts.
And I said exactly what you said, this is so friggin stupid, but for different reasons, because look in the NSA database where he is.
The guy doesn't go anywhere with an entourage.
Just look at the FHOP, I mean, it's what you need 50 million for, you know, ask one of the dominions to access the data.
But he's probably not, has he never even thought of the golden rule?
I mean, he wants to do on Maduro what Maduro could do on him.
Bill, isn't this colossally stupid?
Yeah, it's the mafia's approach, do on others.
as they would do unto you but do it first.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
I know.
It's hard to hear techniques.
He used bowling and Queens real estate into the world stage.
See this troubles me a lot.
I don't see any diplomacy or tact or even deep understanding of world affairs in this guy that might take.
Catherine, are you more favorable?
Yeah.
Here's the thing.
When was the last time there was an US president who did have, you know, diplomacy and, and, you know, a finer approach to, I mean, was it George Bush?
Was it Bill Clinton?
Was it Obama?
I'm like, well, you know, and currently, yeah, look, the genuine truth is there's only so much you can do with these world powers.
You know, it kind of like knocks itself into shape.
The real difference is stopping the wars where he really genuinely is making a difference.
That is a huge, I mean, once the peace, the ceasefire agreements are made, once a peace deal is made, it's so easy to bloss over it.
But I'm like, hang on, if it hadn't been made, how many thousands, 10,000 millions people would have died over the next six months, you know, next year across all of these wars?
That is a huge benefit for humanity.
So I think Trump is really doing amazing stuff when we take the amazing stuff for granted.
And then diplomacy is kind of, you know, and I still think he's doing so much better than any of the previous ones.
And I think on the economy, he really, you know, is killing it.
But he's still all in on the war in Gaza.
He's still talking about the Mediterranean.
He's still telling him to get a job, you know, and he...
I sensed his reaction to...
to the parties in the Gaza issue, including all the Arab countries around it.
As when he said in the lawn to one of the to one of the reporters crowding around him, he said, The hatred between all those people involved is just so great.
It's just they're all fed up.
It's just fed up.
Yeah.
You know, he said, he said they have been at war for so long they don't know what the FDI's doing.
Yeah.
I think that's what I mean.
But that still means they're all fed up.
Yeah, yeah.
It was like a steep, but that was after that was after Netanyahu launched a bunch of attacks where he said, no, there would actually be a complete ceasefire.
So basically.
Basically, Netanyahu lied to him and he was, he was annoyed.
Yeah.
You know, I think that's like the first fracture, but also remember, Jim, that the US is still run by people who have a dual citizenship.
You know, the whole machinery is entirely, you know, under control and as of today, Trump has not got control from these people.
The American people are waking up, as is the rest of the world.
You can't imagine how much there's open discussion about Jews, Israel, anti Semitism in the exaggerated form that you can't critic like it.
It's unamerican, it's undemocratic, inconsistent with freedom of speech.
Representatives are going home and having town halls and they're getting ripped on new one.
I mean, the public is really fed up with this.
And I was really pleased that the public was talking about time.
You know, I'm glad.
You know, and another thing that I really like is that more and more people, including Jimmy Doe, but Jimmy Doe is always very in tune to these things, but more and more people talking about October 7th having been a false slag.
Yes.
I think we should go back to the source because it was a false slag as clear as day.
course.
And the image of the gliders hang gliding over the fence.
You know, that day, there were former IDF were saying something's wrong here because the fence is so sensitive.
If a bird craps on the fence, they know it immediately.
And you got IDF saying they were ordered to stand down for six or seven hours.
And, you know, I mean, and I think that half of the deaths actually were caused by the Israelis killing Israeli citizens or Jews there to run up the number to just I think so and and and again you know with the the um I mean even if you go back to the creation of Israel it's not even about arguing should Israel have been created or not.
I don't want to get into that discussion, but if you look at the, again, Masonic and Illuminati symbols over the Supreme Court of Israel, you know exactly who owns the country.
It's the fact that Queen Elizabeth congratulated Baron Rothschild.
In the UK, a guy called David I called it the private feast of the Rothschilds.
So the Rothschilds were given their own feast of them and Queen Elizabeth congratulated them on it.
That is, I think, the best explanation.
Israel, we're talking about.
Israel.
Yeah, Israel, yes.
And I think that is really the one explanation that explains it all.
That these, you know, the Sammy that's really high up in the secret society hierarchy would then, you know, show that they own the place by having their symbols plastered over the Supreme Court.
Just like, by the way, the UK Supreme Court also has the all seeing eye and the central chamber where, you know, the carpet and the desk of the Supreme Court judges are literally an eye with eyelashes.
You know?
So anyway, I think what we really come back to everywhere around the world in Israel, in Russia, in the US is that the war is not even between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Gaza.
The war is against this ancient secret society that's proliferating and that owns everything, that owns all the weapons manufacturers, that owns most politicians.
And the question is, how are we going to cycle out of this deep capture?
Which how are we going to claw it away?
If Russia keeps the territory and they denatsify it, that is clawing away at this at this deep state network that is pushing.
them back.
How can they not take all of Ukraine though if there's going to be ongoing guerrilla warfare attacks on Russia?
I think Putin has to take the whole country.
He may not want to, but I think for the security of the Russian state they have to do it.
I just don't see an alternative.
Don't give them any ideas.
I don't see them as being capable of doing that conventionally, at least in a conventional war.
They'll have to go nuclear to do it.
Yeah.
They're not going to be able to do it when the West is feeding them.
They're not they're just feeding their people into a meat grinder.
They're not doing anything.
They're not going to do it.
The argument was that Ukraine was holding out with four different cities.
And the next thing we knew the Russians had taken all four of the cities.
I mean, they're continuing to gain more land.
There's no possible way Ukraine can stop.
Putin's been deliberately kind in general because there's so many ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
Ukraine was a part of Russia, was known as the breadbasket of Russia.
So I mean, I think the very Khrushchev made a colossal, stupid decision to make Ukraine a separate state.
I think that should never have happened.
And we're paying for it now.
Well, it's of course Victoria Nuland going in and executing a coup there to dump the Russia friendly president and install a Western puppet of whom Zelensky is a successor.
And then here we are today.
Yeah.
Well, again, it goes back to the Victoria Nuland shit mixing.
No, not just that.
The other thing is in my home country, Romania, NATO's presence was very felt when they suddenly started militarizing the eastern part of Romania to build up their Star Wars missile bases and so on.
And the corruption that gets pumped into the country through the monetary volumes, through the weapons, through the connections and the grassola.
You know, I mean, Romania is suffering under this NATO nonsense of continually encroaching on Russia instead of just having the buffer zone and leaving us all the hell alone.
And again, Romania can do nothing about it because it's not a world power and because its politicians are as corrupt as they come.
You know, that's typical politician.
Now, Catherine, you had a homework assignment and I'm going to No, the question is, I did start it.
I did start it.
The question is, how do you want me to present it because I want you to give me your assessment of the claims that Trump is a pedophile, you know, do it any way you want.
So because the thing is, I actually think that the Katie Johnson, you know, allegation is very powerful because there's a it kind of really takes a dedicated I would say debunking or questioning at least, right?
So I work through I think two thirds of it and I go moment by moment because I'm looking for body language, you know, as much as I can tell the eye movements and I can tell you that everything that she does.
So I also have to explain the I movement.
So my question was, do you maybe want to do a dedicated show on just debunking that and the child abuse allegations?
That's fascinating.
Yeah, we could do that.
We could do that.
Because then we're not mixing Russia with all that.
Because I think also the interest, you know.
It's just the way Trump is being blackmailed, I believe.
You know, they have Epstein who's in Israel.
Now they got Ghislaine in the club fed down in Texas where she can walk off the campus and they're giving her special ops protection, if you can believe.
I love your joke about the club fed as opposed to club mad.
And the minimum security.
It's awful.
What's going on?
It's awful.
Well, yeah.
You know, the thing about, I think we did discuss it last time.
Yes, I think I brought it up that Pam Bondi, and that's why it's important for me that Pam Bondi wasn't at the meeting because her cornea detached the day or the, you know, two before.
And I still want to know more about it because that, again, looks like to me, unless she has some real solid medical explanations for that happening, that is a telltale sign for that actually a pulsed energy projectile shocked the eye, which would mean wherever the hell that happened, there was a weapon aimed at her.
Did it happen in her office, in her car, on her way home, or where was she?
In DC, somewhere else.
But that is the even more worrying thing because, yeah, Giselei Maxwell might escape, she might be set free, I think she is going to be set free and nobody will go to jail for the whole Epstein child rape, torture and murder thing.
But even more worrying than that is that there's an active live shooting, the distributed weapons system that's actively sho no one who is investigating that right now.
So the question is, is that a warning shot from the deep state?
You know, is Trump going to be next?
Because as soon as they take him out or maybe one of his key nominees, you know, everything changes.
That's what I'm really, really, really worried about, you know, what's going on in the deep sea and by the weapons.
Yeah.
Well, a lot of us feel he's betrayed the base.
I mean, you are hanging on longer than I've been able to hang on.
Because, you know, really the Gaza thing bombing Iran, I've been to Iran.
Iran is a great nation.
It's a peace loving nation.
It hasn't attacked another nation in an act of aggression since 1775.
I mean, you know, the idea of making Iran out to be part of an axis of evil is insane.
It shows no knowledge.
It showed pure propaganda, the most impure motive possible.
I mean, I've been disaffected with this guy for some time now.
We do.
We do have to remember that when Israel was attacking the Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas.
Yes.
We do have to remember that Iran launched like 500 missiles at Israel.
Yes.
That's that's an attack on Israel.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they did that.
I mean, that is a fact.
You know, another thing also regarding, sorry, forgive me, the bombing of Iran.
Actually, that I booked as a total and complete success because all this talk about, oh, Iran has a nuclear program that went away.
The mainstream media was trying to revive it to say, yeah, but they have this and that.
But the actual key bases are wiped out.
It's going to take them many, many years of, you know, clandestine ops to restore it.
And also, it got rid of all these people.
So the Iranian people have genuinely the best stab at their returning to, you know, their Western style of living and their sanity that they had in up to three decades.
So, you know, in Germany where I grew up, there were a lot of Iranians who sled when the Shah was usted and basically this religious lunacy was brought in.
And my friends who are Iranians, they loved it.
They were celebrating that those people got, you know, bombed to shit.
They were celebrating that they were going into hiding.
It was the greatest thing exactly because they're such an ancient and they were celebrating the Israeli attacks on the Shah.
No, no, no, no, the bom bombing, the US bombing of Iran.
Did they celebrate the US bombing of Iran?
They absolutely were.
Oh my God, they were so happy because it's not really their Iranian infrastructure.
He didn't bomb cities.
He bombed some military base in the desert.
It was relatively innocuous actually, but yeah.
Yeah, and it was fantastic.
You know, the other thing is also that that is what the war should be like with all their precision attacks.
They could just conduct wars just taking out military infrastructure if they wanted to.
But of course the deep state doesn't want to because of the drama of casualties.
teams is is part of how they run business, part of the order out of chaos, Masonic business plan.
But I think the bombing of Iran, I would say ten out of ten, ten out of ten for that.
I think all the Iranians at Excel agree.
And now really it's about what's going to happen to Iran because I agree with you, Jim, it is.
They are very refined.
They have an ancient culture.
But also the CIA was really deep in the shit mixing there as well.
And they went through several wash cycles.
They are not a sovereign nation that had self-determination for I don't know how long.
You guys know history better than me.
since World War II.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I thought it was great.
Yeah, it was now announced he wants to clean all of Gaza.
He wants to, you know, annex the whole thing.
And his head, his general has said he's got the plan to do it.
This has alarmed a lot of nations who are now signing on to Palestinian statehood that might otherwise not have.
And the whole world's alarm what's going to happen now.
But it's clear he wants to move forward.
Somebody asked him what he thought about the Greater Israel Project.
He said he thought it was a pause.
How absurd is this?
I mean, this is what he's been about the whole time.
So, you know.
the Great Israel project, does that also include bits of Iraq and, you know, sure, sure, all the way to the Euphrates, of course, from the Euphrates to the Nile.
I don't think people quite realize what that means when you look at the map of how big, how great Great Israel would actually be.
Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, you know, I mean, give me a break, parts of Iraq, you know, I mean, it and they're serious about it and, you know, the 911 was motivated to bring US forces in to perform the dirty work on behalf of Israel, take out the modern Arab states that.
that served as a counterbalance or domination of the entire region and eventually confront the Persian nation of Iran?
All but Iran has already been accomplished.
And you got a head of Syria with former ISIS and Al Qaeda.
The hypocrisy, you know, US claiming ISIS and Al Qaeda were terrorist groups when we created ISIS and Al Qaeda as terrorist groups.
And I make this guy, he's even an Israeli.
He's an Israeli.
The President of Syria is an Israeli.
Give me a break.
It is.
It is.
And it is.
I, one of the things that I. see about Trump is that, and that's when he made that comment, they don't know what the fuck they're doing anymore.
It was almost like it was almost like he actually felt, you know, not helpless but ineffective.
He was absolutely frustrated.
Yeah, frustrated, and I actually thought that was a good sign.
I was hoping he would get more angry.
But then again, if he gets more angry and they control absolutely everything, you know, the State Department, I mean, he is going to bring assassination attempts after assassination attempts upon himself, unfortunately., because I mean, it is a fact that these people have dual citizenship in the government.
I think that should be removed.
That is ludicrous.
How can you run the US government by having people with different affiliations and allegiances?
Did I tell you my very first political speech was in Washington, DC on Cornwall Freedom Day, 15 April 2008, where I gave the speech, the theme of which was, No dual citizen should ever be in a policy shaping or decision making position, because you cannot know that their loyalty to the other state does not outweigh their loyalty to the United States.
I mean, it's just so blatant, so obvious.
And Tom Massey said, well, you know, everyone in Congress has an APAC handle except for me.
And the next thing Trump says he's announcing he's going to campaign against Thomas Massey.
See now, Catherine, that upsets me a lot.
I know, I know.
It's, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's disgusting.
And, but then also remember that the, um, shear forces on the presidency are truly insane.
I mean, it's going to give anyone whiplash to be there because you're at the right fulcrum where, you know, where everything comes together and everyone wants to affect the president.
What I'm trying to look at is actually look at the whole package because how much this is this is a really colorless calculation but in terms of humanity, how many people are not dying by stopping all these wars as opposed to how many people are going to die in Gaza,
you know, if you run the numbers, I'm not saying that one life is more valuable than another at all, but I'm saying given that we are in total deep capture and given that if anybody assassinates Trump, all of us would be so capital spot, it's unbelievable.
You know, who could replace him?
Who could run the show?
Who would have this stamina?
to run the show.
Who would have at least that bit of shred of independence and independent thought?
And we're still taking all his amazing achievements for granted.
The trade deals, the money, the surplus that the US finally has and doing all these trade deals.
I mean, gosh, the US got their clocks cleaned out with NAFTA and whatever the other ones were called, GATTA.
I can't even remember what they're all called.
They were screwed.
And basically the US laid them dying.
And now he's genuinely trying his best to bring the economy back up.
And I think he's genuinely making a huge, huge effect on that.
So, but then again, Jim, you have to remember, they had to create a new category for me.
I'm not just ultra maga, I am rabidly maga, right?
So I'm going to hold out and be pro Trump all the way to the end, because we have no alternative.
And I actually still, to this day, think that deep down he is a really good, dedicated guy.
I really think that.
I didn't I didn't believe any of these child abuse allegations at all, you know?
I was so strongly for him for so long, voted for him three times.
It was when he got into the Sen second term and he didn't end the stupid wars, Started ending war was so openly supportive of Israel and the slaughter of the Palestinians.
He appears to have converted to Judaism in 2017.
We've got all kinds of his visiting the so-called Whaling Wall and all that.
There have been occasions where he says he's talking to Christians.
He says, I love Christians.
I'm not a Christian, but I love Christians.
You know, he just saw words that in there.
Ivanka's, of course, converted.
Jared, you know, I think the two of them exert tremendous influence on him.
And I don't know.
I mean, this gets it back to some of the Katie Johnson stories about she lied when he was she wore a blonde wig because she looked like Ivanka was also there.
I actually think that was a lie.
Hold out on that.
Hold out on that because that's exactly what these defamatory videos do.
They collect our judgment.
It's just a little bit of a coloring to just, you know, put suspicion in our minds.
But I personally don't believe a word of what she was saying.
Once you have her name, why don't you have her face?
But anyway, that's next week.
But yeah.
Okay.
The other thing is, make it next week.
Then we'll do our Yeah.
I mean, Gonza.
Yeah.
Yeah, you have to think always, but like I said last week, let's all take a deep breath and remember what would have happened if it hadn't been Trump running in 2024.
Because if it had been somebody else, somebody more vanilla, the country would not have rallied behind him.
You know, the deep state would have stolen votes up and down the country.
I think everyone was fed up with the Biden fraud, you know.
I think everyone was sick of it.
And Kamala was so obviously incompetent.
It was insulting to run her as a candidate.
I mean, she's You don't think she would have actually won?
I mean, a Senar man won, okay?
In fact, it was Senar when he won.
Yeah, that was rigging.
That was rigging the election.
There's no question.
That was rigging.
They would have rigged it again.
Better this time, you know?
What would you say?
You're the expert on the rigging here.
Not that you cut it, but you debunked it.
I mean, I think they got the database to prove that what was rigged and how.
And they just don't want to look at it.
Yeah.
Yeah, they just don't want to look at it.
Yeah.
I don't know.
No, I think they that's why they have to have all these people.
They know the data is there.
That's why they have to all have all these people cover it up and keep people from getting to that data.
Yeah.
That's the whole point.
That's why they had Barr, you know?
I mean, he actually went on television and said there's no evidence of any kind of skull duggery during the voting.
And I know I watched the CCTV in the Georgia after hours voting where they were filling ballots in over and over again.
Not on video.
What that, you know?
You don't believe my eyes.
Give me a break.
Yeah.
I know.
I agree.
Of course.
The other thing is that they.
Barr is the deep state's deep state.
You know, I mean, he's as corrupt as they come.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But actually the other thing is that, um, oh, one of the things that was going around on, on true social is did Barr go to school with Epstein?
Is that true that William Barr and Epstein went to the same school?
I'm not sure if it was AI or fraud or fake, but that was one of the things that people were floating that I wanted to look into it.
Would not be surprised.
You're going to look into it for next week?
Or did you do a search now?
Yeah, no, no, no.
That's for another time.
But, um, you know, regarding the why are they not doing better?
I think when you were at NSA, nobody could do what you were doing.
That's I was pretty much alone.one.
Yeah.
Now, after you left, they completely butchered ThinFread.
And now the other thing you have to remember is that the workhorses these days are millennials and Gen Z, and they are, in all caps.
So I don't think they have workhorses who even know how to pull the data out of the NSA databases.
You know, they could have such low hanging through easy wins by arresting ten thousand child predators, the worst ones, the ones they don't care about.
And they don't, because I genuinely think Gen Z and the millennials are hopeless.
They don't know how to operate it.
And that's just a career progression in the agencies that the more you get promoted, the less you actually do the stuff that needs to be done.
You just do managing, right?
I don't know.
So I think the Trump administration genuinely can't do what you did.
Well, and there's a throwback there when even when I was there in the late 80s, early 90s, they were talking about trying to go back and fix and upgrade the mainframe computer programming in the whole agency.
And when I started looking at it, it was all done in assembler.
In assembler language.
I said, who do we have that assembler?
They are tired, you know?
For those people who are watching, I mean, assembler is the best language to go out bits and bytes and, you know, zero one, zero one level.
Nobody does that today.
Possible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So they don't have a fix for that either as far as I know.
Yeah.
And, you know, but it's very important to understand that any of these government IT infrastructures are organically grown and the stuff that.
runs things, it's like just like our particle detectors at CERN and at Daisy, when you started going down into really the nitty and gritty, you were going back in time.
There were older computer programming languages, Fortran 90, Fortran 77, even, you know, wasn't always compatible with the stuff.
Well, that's not that old.
And then eventually you get down to, you know, programming on zeros and ones, right?
And only the old guys knew how that stuff worked.
So I, as I was doing my PhD, I had to be in touch with and also during my postdoc, I had to continually, you know, contact people on time because nobody else knew how that stuff that was running daily for us even worked anymore, you know?
And that's a real, that's a real danger.
And so when this woman in the House of Lords, by the way, that was a plant, young woman in the House of Lords asked Bill, aren't you just too old to to know what's going on?
You know, that was in what, 2016?
Well, she was one of those mental niggers who didn't know what was what.
She was a plant.
She was a British intelligence plant.
I mean, the clue is young woman in the House of Lords, right?
Young women don't go into the House of Lords because it's such a toxic hellhole of these old guys who are totally up themselves.
I mean, it's like the Saint John's College Senior Common Room on steroids.
But anyway, you know, so she was a pump, but she was trying to basically devalue your affidavit and your testimony to the House of Rules by saying, Oh, but mister Billy, you mister McBinney, you've been out of it for so long.
You know, things have moved on.
It's like no honey and government projects, nothing moves on.
The core stays like that for decades and the people who know how things are run retire.
And I genuinely think the Trump administration doesn't even know what they have in NSA databases because everyone who's currently working there is too fricking dummy to even know what to do or how to interrogate the database.
Would that be an accurate?
Well, they certainly have evidenced their inability to progress beyond what I left them.
Yeah.
Yes, yes, yes.
I don't know.
I think there's room for improvement.
I am still holding out.
I still think that the Trump administration has done the most.
And remember, I mean, how many years has the US lived in the dark ages, you know, under certainly Bush Jr. you know?
You know, and Obama, oh my God, I mean, it's Biden, oh my God, how many four year, you know, blocks were there where it was just a complete blowout?
Nothing happened in the economy, you know, on the world stage.
And the other thing is, Jim, it doesn't seem a big deal here, but in Europe, people respect Trump an awful lot.
Even the people, even our politicians who think, well, that's to say they hate him, they really think he's cool.
They're like, yeah, that's, that's the problem.
You may be forcing me to reconsider.
I will put you back, you know, from the topic in front of you.
It's not that bad.
I've really hard seen about this guy in recent times, I'll tell you.
You know, you should, are you on true social, Jim?
No, I'm not.
You should be.
Now, you should be.
That's my daily therapy.
It's quite addictive.
Really?
Oh my gosh.
I was kicked off Twitter, I think twice, and the second time was terminal.
And so I had nowhere to go.
And last year, I think it was last April, we decided to join True Social.
Oh my goodness.
I will never, ever consider Twitter, even if they allowed me back on X. I don't care because it's like leavaving all the idiots behind.
And the only conversations you ever have is with responsible adults who are really thoughtful.
It's like an IQ test.
If you make it on to True Social, you have passed a certain limit.
So if you want to have real heart hitting conversations that will brighten your day, get on to True Social.
I mean it.
And then just talk to people.
I'm astonished to hear this.
I would never have presumed.
I spend half my day mousing off on True Social.
It's my hobby.
If I spend that on a treadmill, I would be really fit.
But no, instead I'm just, you know, yapping after this show.
It's fantastic.
Fascinating.
It's great.
And also the thing is that it's all the truers who are talking all day long about false flag operations, about weather warfare, about, you know, synthetically generated earthquakes up and down all day long.
And there's no censorship, you know?
But also people respond, people comment, and they're not of the idiots.
When a show, you know, an FBI show makes it on the platform, they get butchered, you know?
So it's wonderful.
It's really great.
I can only recommend this for yo your sanity, you know?
Fascinating.
Honestly, I would never have surmised that.
I'm impressed.
I don't know what to make of it.
Just try it.
Stop following people because I get all my news.
I mean, we got rid of our TV when in 2020.
Something went wrong.
After your son moved there.
Yeah, 2020.
In December 2020, we threw our TV out.
I haven't watched CNN.
Occasionally, we watch Gutfeld as a kind of humorous take on the news.
That is the absolute top of every single time I'm driving my car and I turn on the radio, there's always Sean Hannity on.
He's on I think eight hours a day.
And the funny thing is, he always says the same thing.
We can do an entire Costco shop and when we come back, Sean Hannity still says the same thing.
It's hilarious.
The truth is, I play bingo.
I call it the US radio bingo.
So, how long does it take for me to hear thank you for your your service, the military, what other stuff do they say?
Jesus and immigration.
If you get three in a row, you shout b, bingo.
It takes about five minutes.
But yeah, if you don't want that brainwash, the Fox News brainwash, and you don't want CNN really hardcore brainwash, just come on through social.
It's like a breath of fresh air.
And also it restores your faith in the American people because all the people who are there, they are, they genuinely want to help the country.
It's only through social that I got to know that the Amish that traveled down to North Carolina after the floods have done an amazing job rebuilding for free.
And they're still there.
They're still building.
Have you heard of any news reports about this?
of Americans genuinely making a difference.
It is, it's like every time I feel down, you know, the people build me back up again.
You realize there's so much good stuff going on, you know?
I'm impressed.
I tell you, expect this enthusiasm for truth social of all things.
Just expect it.
You know, it's not just that, I mean, you don't really feel that Trump owns it.
He does own it, but it's about the people who are there.
And they are all genuine Americans.
You know, you get a lot of veterans who've seen enough of the war to be sick to be built with it., you know?
And It's just all the cool people out there.
It's like a self-help proof.
We left all the idiots behind on X. Fascinating, absolutely fascinating.
So you think Trump could actually bring us through all this intact, that they keep the economy from collapsing?
You believe in the tariffs, it appears.
One hundred percent.
Yeah, because it's the people think that the tariffs are untested.
No, the tariffs is how things used to be before NAFTA and GATTA.
It was working quite well for everyone else until Trump came along.
Yeah.
It was working for us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's great.
And I'm quietly hoping that people also renationalize the Fed, kick out the Fed because the Fed is just a private for profit front organization of the Bank of International Settlement, which really to all intents and purposes is the beast in Switzerland.
That is the central banks is how the asset stripping of the country is being conducted with the monetary policy, which is really just, you know, a polite way of saying money printing and this whole debt game of printing currency as debt and the government then has to pay interest on the money that's printed.
That's lunacy.
It is a sign of sovereignty that the country prints its own money and monetary policy should be in the treasury, not in a foreign, not in a foreign strand organization, we're crying out loud.
So I'm quietly hoping that Trump will take this whole hooha about, you know, the current Fed share, not really, you know, lower interest rates to dismantle the whole thing.
It can be done quietly, you know, with just might be quite an accomplishment.
Right?
What I would suggest is that.
Yeah, they, hey, and the other thing is they, they, they could also threaten people if they wanted to, you know, they could have four else as well, but it would be really elegant if they with a stroke of a pen, the said Fed's monetary policy and all the shenanigans would be transferred to the Treasury, and then the Treasury would be transferred into the renovated Fed building.
Nobody would know the difference.
It would look so innocuous, but for the country, it would be like, you know what?
If he did that, then next year would genuinely be a worthy Independence Day celebration.
And then Independence 2.0 would actually be genuine as opposed to just a freak and throw.
I couldn't agree more.
I think that's okay, Jim.
So is that is that your price to be brought back into the magazine?
I think it would work.
You know, I probably lost half of my audience on my RBN because they were it was very 100% Trump in the beginning, as was I. So it was really comfortable.
And then I began increasingly becoming.ing increasingly disillusioned with Trump on multiple grounds, including, of course, not ending the stupid war and securing the border, yeah, but not getting depopulation he promised.
And, of course, the support for Gaza has been absolutely traumatic for me that this guy could support genocide.
I mean, that is repulsive.
And bombing Iran, I didn't like your offering reasons why maybe that's not in the end of the world.
Well, we'll see what happens.
Talk to some Iranians, talk to some Iranians in the US.
They love it.
They had champagne celebrations bombing the shit out of those, you know.
Yeah.
I think they were actually hoping that we would go further than that.
So that they actually get rid of the Ayatollah and all that religious bullshit governing that country is to take the head off of it so that it could change and the population could then decide something different.
Yeah.
You know?
I think that's what they were hoping for.
Yeah.
I had very long conversations.
I mean, back in the day, even as I was growing up in school, my school wasn't a forepath of the Ayatollah.
was in a poor part of town, so we were sixty percent foreigners, including myself.
And, you know, my best friend at school was Iranian, and I talked to her parents a long time, and they showed me pictures in their picture album of how Tehran used to look like, you know, back in the sixties.
And it was a western country.
They were, you know, anticipating to become a western country.
And the one recurring refrain was, all this, the Chador and this veiling bullshit.
They said, this is not part of our culture.
This veiling crap never featured.
This has nothing to do with us.
It's enforced from outside.
None of the women were veiled.
You know, they didn't have head scarves, let alone this whole, you know know, pingwin outfit.
But besides, Tehran is hot.
Do you want to run around as a woman in black on the hottest day out there, you know, in the desert?
It's lunacy.
It's actually the targeted torture of women.
And they are sick of it because that is not part of Iranian culture.
Genuine Iranian culture is very poor.
The women are all businessmen.
And, you know, when they came to the US, the women run all businesses.
You know, they shouldn't be confused with the Afghans and the Saudis, right?
That's a different story.
It's like a different level of development of the culture.
It's like comparing, you know, the US to Paraguay.
You know, it's not the same.
And, you know, I think it was fantastic, you know, more of that, more bombing of military installations and less bombing of civilian, you know, buildings.
I would prefer diplomacy so we don't have to bomb anyone.
Yeah, sure, sure.
Like I would.
So what's your best guess for the outcome tomorrow, Bill?
Do you have a speculation?
I think they're going to come out with some general framework to an agreement.
And then it has to be hammered out specifically.
That's the best I think we can hope on a first meeting.
Zelenskyy is not going to buy anything of it.
I mean, they've had I don't know that he'll have I don't know that he'll have a choice, you know?
I have had very long.
Putin and Trump have had very long conversations.
And I think they've already agreed on the terms and this is just going to be the announcement, which makes sense.
They're not going there to negotiate, I think.
They're going there to make a public statement.
Well, I think it's going to be a phase in though.
It's not going to be all up front.
We're not going to, here's what the agreement is.
No.
I think they're going to say we have the general framework for an agreement, even though it's already maybe agreed to.
agree to they're going to release it slowly so that people can get accustomed to giving up a little here and there, you know?
I think that's what I think that's the way they're going to do it.
I think so.
And I think Russia is going to walk away from it totally happy.
Yeah.
I mean, after all, he has to justify the loss of a million of his people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
So the Ukrainians lost a million and a half Russians by about 150,000.
No, I don't think those numbers are right.
The way things are going, I don't think those numbers are right at all.
Oh, I don't know.
I think the numbers are considerably different.
Like, I think the reverse of what you said.
I don't think so, Bill.
I mean, they're taking people over 60.
They're going for kids or taking them off the street.
I think the Russians are doing the same thing.
I don't have that impression.
Well, the other thing to remember is that Russia has a much tighter control on what can be dealt, you know, than, for example, one day these social media people that are filming themselves next to this bomb impact.
impact and then the Russians just arrested them because they were giving information about, I mean, basically they were showing the enemy how well they hit the building, right?
And so I think Russia has a much tighter lid on things than the West.
So I don't think we could even get to know the truth just from using what's there.
I think even intelligence here in the US and the UK has estimated the dead, dead and wounded casualties for Russia at 750,000.
Now the Ukraine says it's a little over a million.
So somewhere in between is probably the right answer.
Because there's an awful lot lot, I mean, there's a pandemic, people and even the Ukrainians on the front line are complaining or just saying, this is like they're just throwing them in at us, just like a human wastes.
I mean, that's just, that's World War 1 kind of attack.
You know, this is just, and the casualty rates have to be equivalent.
I mean, it's just insane.
Yeah, gosh, I just want it to end.
And I think that's the one thing about Trump is that you can see it in his face.
Yeah, I think he's revolted.
He's revolted by this.
And that's what he, he is actually the only US president that's remembered that, who kept saying, I want the dying to stop.
Can you imagine Obama saying that?
or Bush.
You know, it's such a huge, I mean, this is such a huge policy change.
It's the Republicans.
It's the, you know, well, look at Biden.
Biden wouldn't even talk to Putin after the war.
He wouldn't even talk to him.
So how can you make a peace with someone when you don't talk to him?
Yeah.
I still think we are, we are considering what a shit hole the country and the world was in.
You know, you might not be satisfied where it's necessarily going in every twist and turn, but the tendency is up.
It's out of the ditch.
And another point I would like to make, okay, just this will be a bit left field for most people, but at the end of the day, it doesn't even matter which country you belong to, okay?
For the average person, it doesn't really matter where you pay your taxes, it's an administrative shell structure.
Do you care if your taxes go to people who are, you know, head office Moscow or head office Kiev?
Who gives that?
For the people on the ground, it doesn't matter.
But what does matter for the people on the ground is if they are being used as farms and cannon fodder in this big battle between the head officers that steal all the taxpayers' money because that's what it really is all about, you know?
And I just want the bloody war to end and the killing to stop and the stupid military who are just recruiting people by force, you know, that is disgusting.
These people can't walk away and not participate.
They don't want to kill each other.
They don't give a damn.
I don't think the people on the ground really give that much of a damn if they have the choice of just being stayed, you know, staying alive.
So I would say make a peace.
deal, stop giving a shit about territory.
It doesn't really matter that much.
And let's all move to hell on and get back to trading with these places.
That's what I think.
What do you think, Jim?
I think I'm blown away.
This has been wonderful, absolutely sensational conversation with you guys.
I'm overwhelmed.
You've given me so much to think about.
I did not anticipate.
Rest very happy.
I don't learn from people who agree with me.
So I'm learning a lot.
Get on through social.
By next week, you have to have an account.
I never would have thought.
Thank you guys.
I'm so looking forward to next week too.
And each week is just marvelous.
Well, thank you, Jim, for having us.
It's our highlight.
This is Jim Fettser, your host on The Real Deal with another very special conversation with Bill Binney and Catherine Hardin.
Looking forward to next week.
I can't wait.
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