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Aug. 7, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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REAL DEAL SPECIAL (7 August 2025): Bill Binney & Katherine Horton UNDER FIRE!
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This is Jim Petsy, your host on another Real Deal special report.
I'm so delighted to be with Bill Bennett and Katherine Horton once again.
And one of the curiosities we might mention right off the bat is Gethlaine Maxwell being transferred from a high security.
She got a 20-year sentence.
She's a sex offender.
They cannot be moved.
to a plush facility like the club fed in Texas.
And yet that's what's happened after the Deputy Attorney General.
Jan Hall, who happens to be the personal attorney of Donald Trump, interviews her over a two day and now she's saying, No, no, no, Donald wasn't, wasn't there, nothing to see here.
I mean, the blatantness of the cover up and the bribe is right there out there in front of God and everyone.
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Catherine, I know you've been looking at this.
Your thoughts.
Yes, my thoughts.
Yeah, the camera just went off.
Can you, hold on, just a second.
Can you see us again?
I can now.
Yeah.
So I think the intelligence agencies who are monitoring this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They saw my face and they knew I was about to say something and put, you know, the dagger in.
Well, I was notified.
I wasn't aware at the time, but someone sent me a link that the reason why Pam Bondi that's even more of a red flag, the reason why Pam Bondi didn't appear at this Ghislaine Maxwell interview is because the day before or the day or two before her cornea detached.
Oh, sure.
Did you hear about that?
Yeah, but also, I mean, she had to go for this cornea surgery, but I mean, it sounded so far fetched.
Well, it's not that far fetetched if you get shot in the eye by a Pulse NG projectile, you know, the shockwave things.
Now, the reason why I bring it up is because the day I drove down to Maro Lago, before I drove onto the highway, a car was waiting for me.
So I was on a country road just about to get onto the highway.
And the car pulled in front of me, clearly having waited for me to arrive, and I was shot through the teeth.
And it looked like being punched in the teeth really hard.
So I literally thought, oh, did this crack my teeth?
If you aim that at the eye, the shockwave of the eye, you know, that can do all sorts of things.
And worse if you get shot.
diagonally through the eye.
You can take anything.
You can take the lens cleanly off.
So it's very serious.
And I really want to know what exactly happened because it sounded so fantastic that it stuffed like that just doesn't happen.
But then again, when you're dealing with directed energy weapons, the most fantastic things can happen because you're basically firing a high-intensity shockwave through the body.
To give you an example, there was an author in the Czech Republic who wrote about corruption in Prague and he published a it was meant to be fiction, but the characters were basically the mayor.
and the main people involved in huge real estate, Masciosi dealings in Prague.
And when he published that book, after that, his aorta exploded.
Now having the aorta exploded.
And that sort of medical incident.
He actually survived and had a very, very long road to recovery.
But these sort of incidents are quite common with directed energy weapons.
You can make them happen just like that.
You know, detached cornea, exploding aorta, all that sort of stuff.
But otherwise in terms of medical incidents.
If they ever occur, they are extremely rare.
So I would like to slack this.
I mean, it could also be a lie, as you indicated, or sure, right?
But if that really happened to Pam Bondi, I am pretty sure she was attacked by a directed energy weapon.
She seems so accommodating to everything Trump wants, you know, she had the FBI assign a thousand agents to go through a hundred thousand, flag all his names.
Names have been removed.
You got Gazlene saying, no, no, Donald was never involved in anything.
But this is the deep state.
Thank you, Ed, Bill.
I say that this is the deep state.
Yeah.
Yeah, it worked in front of our very eyes.
Yeah.
In front of God and everybody.
It's so open, it's so blatant.
It's so really amateurish but effective.
I mean, she could just walk off the campus and never be seen again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was in violation of the guidelines.
She's a sex offender that can't be moved, twenty years can't be moved, but it happened.
There she is.
Yeah.
What would be the motive, Catherine, for hitting her though, since she's so compliant?
Well, I think the motive is that she is actually in tune with Trump's agenda.
I mean, what you want to say?
That was my point.
It's not Trump that's doing this.
It's the deep state that doesn't want this to go away.
Yeah.
I don't know much about the deputy attorney general.
That's why they always shoot at her.
Yeah.
Because she's trying to make it go away.
Yeah.
I really want to know how this deal with Ghislaine Maxwell came about and if that was authorized, because to me it looked like Pam Bondi was taken out.
Then this deputy goes, I mean, Pam Bondi was scheduled to go and meet Ghislaine Maxwell herself.
Now she's been Oh.
Yeah.
That's how I understood it.
That's how I'm questioning it.
That's the reason right there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the question was, is the deal that was made with Jessicaine Maxwell really the one?
And was something else communicated in the room?
Because also, I mean, I saw the interview of the two children who were the whistleblowers of the so-called Hampstead cover up.
And I saw a leak tape of the police interview and the police officer was making the police officer interviewing these children was making the Illuminati hand sign, holding the triangle sign to his forehead, signaling to the kids, shut the F up because I'm an insider and we're going to come after you.
So you can run police interviews and these sort of interviews and signal stuff to these insiders that mean something to them.
And I want to know why was Pam Bondi not there?
You know, I want to see a tape off that interview was a tape created videotape, not just audio tape, because the whole thing is just dodgy as they as it comes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bill, you're saying the deep sea wants to keep it going.
It's elaborate.
I'm fascinated by that thought.
Well, they want to keep this, keep this allegation against Trump going.
So, I mean, that's their motivation.
They have been all along.
They want Trump out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They don't like what he's doing.
I also would like to remind everyone that James Comey's Crown Kill Order, which has been issued on the 15th of May, is still active.
It will remain active until someone tries to take out Trump.
So we've forgotten about the C-Shirt stuff and it's, you know, now it seems like it's nonsense, but it's not nonsense.
It's just as active as the Ace of Spades was on the 10th of April 2024 when this police officer paraded with an Ace of Spades next to Trump.
And then some six months later, Trump or five months was, sorry, three months and three days.
What am I saying?
Three months and three days later, Trump was nearly murdered.
Now we had the seashells in May.
Hey, when the three months anniversary is coming, you know, will they try to take out Trump three months and three days after those seashells?
You know, because there was 15th of May, so we have June, July, August, gosh, right?
16th, 18th, the 18th of August would be the three months, three days thing, the Masonic 33.
They might use other code in this time.
Nobody knows, but I'm just reminding everybody, Trump is living extremely dangerously and that kill order was issued by the by the FBI director.
So the entire FBI and all their black ops and their killers and their gangstalkers might be out to get him, you know.
You know, he's losing a lot of standing with the public for any number of what some would suggest were knuckleheaded moves, you know.
I mean, he's given a green light to the slaughter of the Palestinians to the Israeli a full pledge they got Netanyahu is threatening the head of the Israeli army that if he doesn't endorse this invasion of Gaza, they're going to be fired.
We have this situation in Ukraine, you may be aware where a couple of high ranking British officers were snatched by a Russian very clever operation.
They went deep and they got a colonel, a lieutenant colonel and a MI6 operative.
Clear proof, of course, of NATO involvement directly engaged in warfare with Russia.
This was my next question.
Where did they pick them up?
In Manchester or in Kiev?
Oh, oh, no, no, no.
It was an operation on the coast and they intervened.
It was very well planned for about two months, I think.
But they seem to have carried it out expertly in Ukraine.
In Ukraine.
In Ukraine.
So that British colonel and that MI six and whoever the hell they picked up had destroyed the S at home, right?
My question is, what the sweet S are they, those guys are doing in Ukraine, if not empire building?
But then on the up side.
So there's a upside, Jim.
You have to remember that the FSB and MI six, they are all Masons.
So a bunch of Masons got transferred to another Masonic Lodge.
That's how I read it.
They learned.
Absolutely a novel point of view.
It's actually so I hope it's still up, but there were websites, uh, websites called MI five and MI six exposed.
And I hope they're still up because they were a gold mine for me to learn about British intelligence.
But it was actual MI five and MI six agents because they described the about how recruits were put under mind control and then murdered with mind control, being made to walk off the cliffs of Dover under mind control because they were not good enough.
So those that didn't make the cut were made to kill themselves.
Anyway, there was a lot of information about mind control, the chips, the symbols that I could corroborate from other sources and I knew it was right.
And these whistleblower pages talked about how, for example, Putin was working together with Sir John Scarlett, head of MI six, and because the KGB and MI six were like this.
They said all this, the Cold War was a scam and the whole thing was just Masonic Auschwitz politics.
And when I trace the symbols that they are using, the pentagrams and all the other stuff, the double headed eagle, the two are the same.
They are playing two sides of the same game.
So when you map it in terms of these secret societies, and also let's remember that Russia is run by the Rochalds and their Seat currency central bank scam.
So we're not that different.
We're all in this, you know?
So I don't worry about the British Colonel and the MI, especially the MI 6 and Gs.
They'll be fine.
They'll be fine, Jim.
Don't worry about those civilians.
I wasn't sure about their health, but just as a proof they were there directing British missile strikes and drones attacking Russia.
And I was in admiration of the military skill with which they executed the operation to snatch them.
Yeah.
It only took about fifteen minutes.
Wow.
Yeah.
It looked good to me.
I'm fascinated.
Have we talked about whether this guy is the same Donald Trump of the past?
Oh, yeah.
It's basically on my to do.
Forgive me.
I'm basically preparing the next thing that Bill and I will be doing.
And I had to put all that on the back burner because interlaced with all this is really torture and targeting.
But I haven't forgotten about the body doobls and the Sake Trump's and so on and so on.
I will get to that.
I think in summary, my take is that the big, I mean, you know, screw ups happen left, right and center, but the overall thrust of where Trump is headed is pissing off the deep state so much that I still think there's a Trump out there.
He might have body dubbles, but there's a Trump energy driving the whole thing.
I mean, just how he started messing with the Federal Reserve, you know?
He's actually this close to having the guy removed and having someone else placed.
I personally think the whole Federal Reserve needs to be dissolved, monetary policy moved into the Treasury, and then the real Treasury moved into the Fed building when the renovation is complete, right?
But I think it's slowly inching in the same direction.
So I'm pretty sure that, you know, there is still a Trump out there.
I don't think he died in the 80s.
I just don't believe it.
I just don't believe it.
Oh, well, also, there's one thing.
You know, when people point there were several body dubbles for Biden, quite obviously, because they didn't look at all like him.
But every time it was the fake Biden, Jill's behavior to that man changed.
She she behaves differently with that guy than with her husband.
But with Melania, when she's with her husband.
Yeah, it could be her husband, but is it the same guy who was Trump years before?
I mean, I watched this interview he did with David Letterman and they're both about the same height, about 1,80 m, and he's very subdued, he's soft spoken, he's very articulate, he's witty, he's modest, very different.
The guy I'm.
But then, that was before he got targeted.
I used to be so soft spoken and gentle, Jim, before I became this swearing angry woman, right?
Because of all the shit I've been through.
Well, I await your considered judgment about this issue because I've pretty much been persuaded they're not the same.
And, you know, the helicopter crash, which appears to have been contrived deliberately, possibly by then Mayor Koch, who was really pissed off by Trump embarrassing him over the skating rink thing, looks to me very plausible.
So I'll be fascinated by your debunking it, you know.
I think it's important.
I think it's important.
Also, one of the things that I was thinking about is that that Trump's brother, Robert, I think his name was Robert, died during his first presidency, I think, or just before, I think it was during his first presidency, but he was, he looked like Trump, striking me.
So I was wondering if he, you know, they used him as a body double, having a brother, you know, maybe you were seeing the two being interchanged.
Well, Biden Biden had a couple of brothers, and I think one of them did look a lot like him too.
But he does appear to have died in 2017, and the differences are stunning.
I mean, different shape and size of the skull, different handwriting, different manner of expressing himself.
I looked at an old presentation of Biden and when he was speaking to a group, he was very articulate, very animate, lots of expression, used his hands a lot, just as do I, compared to the guy who was a walking cadaver in the White House.
No expression, no gestures, no articulation.
Totally different, not to mention the physical.
I mean, talking about the behavioral and also interaction.
Well, Jill with Jill was different as well with some clear body doubles, but with Biden there were multiple.
Now, according to the story about his death in the chopper crash.
They had three Trump doubles at the time, and they were so concerned about the effect on the business, the value of Trump stock and so forth, that it would plummet if he were dead.
So I just continue the pretense, primarily for business reasons, but then of course it's had an extension into politics.
Would they, would three random body doubles who don't have Trump's real estate genius really then run for president?
And they would just watch it.
I want you to look at it.
I'll just tell you, this guy on Letterman.
was very impressive.
He was someone you'd really admire, I think.
I was very impressed.
And totally different from the guy today.
And I don't think it's just because he'd become angry because he's been attacked.
I can't grant that for you.
But I'm telling you, this looks like a completely different person.
The State of the Nation was in the basic when they looked at all these videos of the past and the present, they concluded they're not the same guy.
That's a serious news venue.
I mean, they're much more responsible than others like the New York Times or the Washington Post, which are basically.
One way one could also check it is using the voice print.
So every voice has its own harmonics.
And, you know, if you do a Fourier transform, it has a, it has a print that's unique to you, unique through the biological, you know, creation of the vocal cords and so on.
I'm not sure how much they can fake that if they use body doubles, if they can come close or close enough.
I have no idea what technology is today.
Well, with regard to Hillary, I mean, I discovered she used seven or eight different body doubles.
And it began after she collapsed after the 911 event and they took her back to ja Chelsea, who were worried that question about her health would arise if they didn't do something.
So they sent a body double.
I called her the Meg Ryan, younger, thinner, far more attractive than Hillary.
But even like the next day, they had a different, shorter, much more sloped forehead.
I called her the Meryl Streep double.
I mean, they said, I got so many.
But during the national debate with Bernie Sanders and with Donald Trump, they had the best Hillary fakery of all.
She was younger, thinner, healthier, far more attractive.
But she had the same voice.
And I gathered, I'm trying to recall my sources on this, that they developed the equivalent of a voice box to give them the same voice.
I mean, it was Hillary's voice, but it was definitely not Hillary's body, I guarantee.
Wow.
They did certainly a body switch with that Supreme Court judge who, who supposedly recovered from pancreatic cancer.
What's her name?
Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Yeah, because, you know, she went to hospital nearly dying of pancreatic cancer, not neck cancer.
I can't remember, but bad cancer, okay?
She was dying.
And when she came out of the hospital, she was twenty years younger.
She also had this bent neck and her neck was straight.
It was a complete overhaul and blow up.
They tried to keep her on the bench as long as possible.
I think they had her body on ice just to, you know, declare when the time eventually came.
That kind of stuff is so nasty.
Yeah.
It is.
It is.
But we will get, get, you know, also behind that curtain eventually.
I mean, now people are talking about this.
Let's remember that five years ago, people wouldn't have even talked about it it.
You know, the most refreshing thing is to be on true social and just to see what huge awareness there is.
I mean, granted, true social is already an adult version of Twitter.
You know, the average age on true social is probably fifty, sixty.
On Twitter, it's more like eighteen or twenty five.
But among the educated and thinking population, they are very aware of geoengineering, of earthquakes being, you know, brought about with resonance and technology.
So I think eventually we'll get to the body dubbles and the clones.
I think today someone wrote that Guizane Maxwell supposedly said that Epstein Island was not just about the trafficking of children.
It was also a cloning facility or something like that where they did human experimentation.
I've had the description to me that it was like the Hunger Games that they were actually hunting kids, you know, to capture them, to torture them and to sacrifice them in that temple like structure they had there.
I mean, it's bad stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That would tell you with the reports from Belgium.
where they have the Mother of Darkness Castle, which is tied to a forested estate.
And yes, there were consistent reports of human hunts being done by Belgian aristocracy.
Julian Assange had a very substantial note on Axe that the Russians had uncovered a vast child trafficking complex underground in Ukraine, and then they were torturing, harvesting organs and all this sort of thing.
I mean, it was really ghastly.
He called it Hellstorm.
That word has been used for the way the Russians were butchering young German girls after World War II so they couldn't reproduce or wouldn't be attractive.
I mean, you know, there's some really gruesome, gruesome stuff that apparently took place then.
But this is quite new.
It's only been the last couple of days that this report from Julian Assange, who might take to be a virtually unimpeachable source, is reporting about.
Make sure the first time i hear about it have you heard about that yeah yeah no i that completely passed me by but you know um this is going back to the epstein thing what people need to realize is that the whole child trafficking control file generation uh enterprise it is not just a one off, it is a system.
This is the system of how the western world has been running for centuries.
So there's not just one Epstein.
As soon as you find one Epstein, you have to think, Oh, wow, there must be so many more because we have all these rich and powerful people.
Where did they generate their control files?
Where did those corrupt bastards who did not go to Epstein Island generate their control files to be trusted with all that power?
Right?
So after Epstein came Diddy, which seemed to have done something very similar, although not quite as advanced, right?
But there are many, many more.
There are facilities like that in France, in Germany, in the UK.
Ukraine makes perfect sense, right?
But it's what we actually have to do is actively look for the other facilities like these.
There must be countless more.
And that's the real issue.
I believe it.
Countless more.
Yes, I agree.
I agree.
Something has been.
Now Bill has to say something.
Yeah, go ahead, Bill.
I mean, I would say, you know, we have already put forward to the publicly gotten published and we've talked about it of the way to fix this, the way to find all these pedophiles, the way to find all deal with threats and how to how to do it and still respect the privacy of everyone on the planet.
We've talked about that and there's a way to do that.
We put it out for the government to look at, to do something with.
We took it to Washington with us, tried to hand it to them.
They photographed it and took a copy of it anyway, but they aren't doing shit.
Not doing anything.
Because it's going to lead right back to them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's because they're in it.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
But, you know, I still think that okay, wait.
CIA during the Iran contra thing was running three different programs bringing dope into the United States selling it on the street and using it to buy guns.
So the contrast, that was two programs they called look it up on the web, Amadeus, Pegasus, and Watchtower.
And they had other similar programs during the Vietnam War bringing it in from there just to make money so they could use it in their black programs.
Yeah.
CIA and FBI were involved in that.
Yes.
Also customs and border protection because they were looking at the planes coming in.
You could, don't pay any attention to this plane.
It's our guys.
We're doing our stuff.
Leave it alone.
That's how they bring stuff in.
Right.
They're all part of this criminality.
Yes, I agree one hundred percent, and it's so telling that the government isn't doing anything to pursue the project you outlined in such detail that would be so effective.
That scares a shit out of them.
That's the problem.
That's the problem.
It would be too effective.
Yeah.
Right?
Scares a shit out of them, Bill.
Yeah.
They're going to be held by this mechanism that you designed with great integrity where they have none.
So, yeah.
The other big advantage of your approach, Bill, is that it doesn't use AI.
I mean, the humans.
In fact, why did they use AI?
And track what exactly is being done at every level.
I do not use the term AI.
There's nothing artificial about it.
It's to capture the thought process of humans, formalize it into code and executing that electronically.
But it's still thought the thought process of humans.
Yeah.
Well, with the caveat, when you have a learning algorithm, a genuine learning algorithm, the code generates other code.
No, wait a second.
We tried that.
We tried that in high energy physics.
We had learning algorithms.
And the problem is that whatever you gain in speed to get the result, you completely lose ten times over having to check that the result is actually correct.
Because it will evolve into some sort of, you know, local minimum, but is that the correct answer or is that just like an answer that it just evolved into?
Right?
So we had to go away from using neural nets and particle physics because our systematic uncertainties blew up exponentially and it was garbage.
Now when you're trying to do something concrete where you can check the answer quickly, you can use AI and a learning algorithm.
But when it's something open ended and complex like human interactions or, you know, generating evidence for criminal prosecution, you have to know what the hell you're doing at every step.
And at every step, you don't generate new order.
order new code and new macros to generate and use automatically.
That never happens.
If you're doing it right and you want something to work, you don't do that because you can't check it.
That's the built in uncertainty that comes in and creeps into the programs that do that.
And I think what's actually happening is that for the individual human being to look at the, let's say, the United States and say, oh, but how many tens or hundreds or thousands or millions of child abusers are there out there?
How could I possibly find them alone with, you know, I don't know, tens of thousands of enforcement officers?
But that's not how you have to think about it.
Is you run through it and map it once, you have them all.
You can use your tens of thousands and rest one batch this week, the next batch the week after, and you can actually process it.
But this is not what they're doing.
They are thinking, Oh, we either do it the most pedestrian way or we use AI, because that's where Palantir comes in and sells them shit for tens of billions or hundreds of billions of dollars.
That's not the way to do it.
You have to have an algorithm that you understand, generate the data and verify.
And verify and then process the cases with your tens of thousands of enforcement officers sequentially and get the job done, focusing on the worst perpetrators.
But you don't need AI, but you do need big data analysis to get the job done.
What they're actually doing right now is the most pedestrian thing of all, where they come out with press releases saying, oh, we've arrested two hundred child abusers here, a hundred there, eight hundred over here, and they're so proud of it.
It's pathetic.
It proves that they're using the most pedestrian, backward, idiotic thing, and it was probably devised by social scientists like lawyers who don't really know what they're doing with big data.
So I think there's a huge room for improvement.
And I think I still hold up hope that if we could possibly do get through to Trump, to Cash, and to Sean Curran, who has to keep Trump safe, and could get these men to understand what we're trying to offer them, then we could actually speed up this process, because it's not actually that hard.
That's the crazy thing.
You know, Tom Mullman came in, secured the border within a couple of weeks, wasn't that hard, was it?
Right.
Once you get going the proper way, progress is made extremely fast.
And beyond that, when you get the big node points, the big perpetrators, the core nodes of the child trafficking system or the drug trafficking system, when you take them out, the whole thing kind of.
unresolves by itself.
These people can't regroup quite as quickly.
So one can make sweeping improvements, draining the country off the drug trade and child trafficking by taking out a couple of hubs.
It's not that hard, but for that one needs to do big data analysis and do what Bill is suggesting that is being done.
And that's what we used to do at CERN, which is why I understand what Bill is saying, you know, very well.
But clearly the administration still doesn't.
And I think, behind the scenes, there's some sort of slander operation happening where, I don't know, they say that you're past it, you don't know what they're doing, technology moved on.
That's what they like to say.
Technology moved on.
No, it hasn't, you idiots, because the same government infrastructure stays the same.
Just like it's SAN.
You know, The old guys were the most valuable because they still knew how shit was built, how it ran.
So I think they are slandering you like that.
Oh, technology moved on, we need palanter.
And I don't know, me, they probably say I'm a Russian agent or something.
No doubt.
No doubt.
Well, you know, Musk had this AI genius called Grok.
And it was like four systems combined.
Absolutely sensational.
People raving about it.
It would be asked, you know, what's happening with the American government?
It would explain it was being run by Israel.
Well, they had to modify it.
It was too much truth.
So now, you know, you get Pablo out of these AI systems.
They're being manipulated.
It was a great idea depending on the quality of the database and it was apparently very, very successful in the beginning.
But now it's been compromised.
You can't trust anything coming from AI any more than you can from any other source, which was inevitable.
It was obvious if you understand programming and the like.
It's just a sophisticated computer program.
And none of this, the data, the high and low voltage or the zeros in one mean anything to the machine.
They just do what the program directs, they do as a causal mechanism, but it's not even a thinking thing.
It just is a great simulation.
And it doesn't have cynicism and irony, and it's not suspicious.
You know, it's not bitter and suspicious like I would be.
But actually, this is an exact repeat of what happened with the search engines.
Because if you remember in the very early days, Google used to be amazing, used to find all these amazing links and then it became ever more censored.
And these days, I have sometimes search terms where I only find ten hits, just one page.
How's that even possible?
Well, because they cut away everything apart from just mainstream lies.
Now, people have to remember that AI runs over the data set that is the internet.
It doesn't generate new knowledge or synthesize knowledge.
So if the majority of the pages out there are, oh, Israel runs the government of the US, that's what Grog is going to return.
If there's a plethora of pages saying, oh, our government is.
run by aliens.
That's what Grog's gonna return.
So it's just a, you know, a collection of everything, a collection of all this information weighted by some sort of algorithm.
I should send you this very funny story, reportedly about me, that was apparently generated by AI, because it turned out that among my other accomplishments, I married a Playboy playmate and I owned a vineyard in Napa Valley.
And it had taken the name and put together synthetically, you know, these different elements from a person of the same age.
a person of the same last name, the guy that Vin, Vin, your guy, I think it was Jimmy, Jimmy Fetzer.
I mean, a playmate was Fetching, but, you know, not a, not a my acquaintance.
You know, it was just very funny that put together.
I mean, I beg you, don't debunk this, just let it stand.
Very funny.
The beginning and the end were me, but in the middle of all these, you know, additional accomplishments or whatever, you know, a history that was not mine.
I mean, it's fascinating.
It took us a while looking at it to figure out how this happened.
But, you know, for students now, I don't know, higher education can.
accomplish its goal because they can ask AI to write these papers and they produce these very good papers, cited, you know, documented, lots of references.
It's going to be a challenge.
I mean, I could look at them and probably tell you if this was machine generated or not, by the way, what a pain in the ass.
I mean, I think it's compromising higher education.
And people are losing their ability to think because they believe they can just turn to the AI and it's get the answer.
And they have no idea if the answer is anywhere in the ballpark just as Bill was suggesting.
You have to be able to verify.
Yeah.
I think a quote on, I think I quoted that to you that someone put out on True Social that AI is the most advanced gatekeeping operation ever developed by man.
Gatekeeping.
Yeah.
Because you can program it to do all this kind of subtle censoring.
Yeah.
I mean, and Rock when it was unfettered was just phenomenal.
It was like you were saying at the beginning with search on Google.
It went everywhere and then unveiled everything.
Until the powers at B realized they didn't want that.
They wanted it to be very constrained.
Very narrow boundaries on what they want the public to know.
Stuff stunning.
Well, they had to dumb down.
the AI.
Well, it's Seth Neidell.
I have some nephews who wanted to learn more about their uncle.
And we started, you know, having some conversations over the internet.
And the one said, because he knew I was involved in this lawsuit about Sandy Hook.
So he asked his AI about my lawsuit and said, I'd never turned up in court.
I hadn't submitted any briefs.
I mean, I carried this thing all the way to the Supreme Court for crying out loud.
I've still got four appeals pending before the Wisconsin., but according to that, no, there was nothing to it.
So, I mean, it was rather stunning and is an illustration of how much it can be censored.
I mean, yeah.
You know, it's really good to actually teach your nephews about this because they are born into a world where they are by their teachers made to trust this stuff.
And it's the blind leading the blind in the schools at the moment.
And these kids have no freaking clue.
And I'm telling you, the new generation is lacking so many fundamentals and deductive reasoning and just thinking on their own feet.
It is shocking.
It's going to degrade creativity.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I taught millennials at university and they were already something to behold.
I thought that the best of the best, the creme de la creme would only come through the door, but still there was a huge step down in their critical thinking skills.
But Gen Z is something else entirely and that really worries me.
These people, they can't do shit.
That's the real scary bit.
So we have a tsunami of stupidity thundering towards us silently and these people are the ones who will be running everything.
I mean, we saw it, I think we saw it when we went to the secret Secret Service two weeks ago and we had to talk to those Gen Z special agents.
I don't know if you picked up on this story, but it turns out in April.
DHS put out new guidelines for FEMA for disaster assistance and said any city or state that have been critical of Israel or participated in not buying Israeli products would not receive federal aid for disasters.
And this is just blown up.
People are just furious about it.
And I've never I've had mixed feelings about Alex Jones, but like a day or so ago he picked upon this and gave a magnificent denunciation of the government.
It was just powerful, wonderful.
I was even playing it on my shows today denouncing what was going on here.
A reservation I'd had about him in the past was he would never talk about Israel.
It wasn't just a matter of being positive.
He just wouldn't talk about Israel, totally neutral, but he's come around.
And he has such a vast audience.
I mean, somewhere between six and twenty million.
I've never been more proud of Alex Jones and his denunciation over this.
In fact, it's been such a scandal.
They've withdrawn it.
They've taken it out now.
There's this qualification that if you've criticized Israel, a state or a city, you won't get disastered.
How unamerican can you get?
How undemocratic?
How unconstitutional?
This is so repulsive.
I think people are putting the pieces together.
I think that he's dropped ten points now.
The latest point got him dropping ten points.
He's going to drop more.
And it's because of his support for the genocide in Israel.
His not ending the war in Ukraine, which he could do with a stroke of a pen and bombing Iran.
I mean, these are all bad things he did that contradicted his position as a candidate.
Well, actually, I think just before the show, there was one post by Trump saying that his special envoy to Ukraine, Steve Whitkov, had some breakthrough with Putin.
Let's hope, let's hope that's it.
There can't be a breakthrough because Russia is not going to change.
They want all the territories they already got, including Crimea.
They want no NATO.
They want demilitarization and denazification, and they're not going to change.
In fact, I think they're going to have to take all of Ukraine.
I don't think they're going to have any choice about it.
Yeah, actually that list you just named sounds great to me.
Demilitarization, denuccification.
I absolutely for it.
Let's do it.
The alternative all along could have been Russia, why don't you join NATO?
Yeah.
Well, Russia wanted to join NATO.
That would have been the simple answer.
Yeah.
But then there'd be no rationale for NATO.
Exactly.
But then, but then, yeah, but then, Jim, right?
There'd be no, who, who, who would we have as a potential opponent to justify the spending in the military industrial context?
Right, right.
You may have heard about this shooting on a military base, army base in Texas where a four or five soldier was shot by another soldier.
I was just thinking what the gun grabbers are going to do.
Well, we're going to take away all their weapons.
Well, you know, the irony was that they basically, uh, restrained a guy and called the police.
And someone was saying on Truth Social, so you have an army base and if it's under attack, you call the police.
That's very damn strange.
Because they don't have guns.
They're not carrying their own guns.
They lock them up, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, how insane is that?
Right?
When you can't trust your military with guns.
Well, about that incident, actually, one of the things I want to know with all these people running EMAC is, was it mind control?
Is he implanted?
Was it chips?
Like that's, you know, the secret service agents going berserk at Joint Base Andrews, the woman, Michelle Herzeg, that sounded like textbook mind control, neural weapons, basically.
And the question is, is that the same here?
And is it another dress rehearsal by the Dean State for then unleashing something on Trump?
You know?
That's what I want to know.
We still haven't gotten through to the director of the secret service.
We failed again for the what?
Fourth time in my case.
You know.
Instagram photographs and stuff.
Yeah, your stuff.
But I still haven't talked to them about, you know, covert implants in their agents.
And the real thing is, as I said earlier, the active kill order against or the kill order against Trump is still active.
And the easiest way to take out Trump is to apply a neuroweapon or trigger the non-consensual covert implants in a secret service agent.
Secret Service agents standing next to Trump with a weapon.
Sure.
And that can be done.
I had live demonstrations on myself where my hands were hijacked.
I had a live demonstration where my parents were hijacked before my eyes and started shouting at the in an empty room right in front of me.
So I have seen this shit in practice and it is terrifying.
And I don't think the Secret Service is prepared for any of theirs to be hijacked.
They don't even know how to force all that.
I've had ordinary civilians, much less Secret Service, who can be controlled by mind control to do things they would never do on their own.
Yeah.
And in what the Secret Service is set up for right now is the Lone Wolf case where someone in the crowd manages to sneak in a weapon and then goes awhole, right?
Or like, you know, completely berserk.
But they are absolutely not prepared to have some of their own be hijacked.
Let's say Trump's own protective detail.
I wager there are people in the Secret Service who are unplanted.
And they're the only ones who can go behind a security card and who can carry a weapon into the White House can carry a weapon standing right next to Trump.
So that's the biggest threat right now.
And there are steps that the secret service could do, but they should have started last September when I first started talking to them.
Now with the active kill order, they need to do it by yesterday.
And as of today, we still haven't got through to them.
I mean, you know more about this now, Jim, than the director of the secret service.
Amazing.
Disconcerting to the max.
It is, it is.
There are steps that they could do very quickly and cheaply, but it's, you know, to find the chips, to find out who was implanted, to take mitigating steps.
It can be done very quickly, but for that, they need to know that they need to get their backside into gear.
It's just frustrating.
Did I share with you the video of Trump converting to Judaism in 2017?
No, no.
I'll send it to you.
Yeah.
And this was a report in 2019, and it was even in the Times of Israel about Trump having converted, and they showed the issue of the Times.
But in 2017, at the time they were reporting, 2019, the White House was claiming it was going to get this story out and Trump was going to make it an address to the nation about his conversion.
But of course, it never came to pass.
And I think most of his followers, I think, might not be too wild about that.
I mean, there was one where he was speaking to a big Christian crowd and endorsing him and saying he squeezes in by saying, I love Christians.
I'm not a Christian, but I love Christians and what they're doing.
I don't know.
He's doing so many things that are so pro-Israel that are so irresponsible, like pulling out the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action and now claiming he wants a new deal with Iran.
But the new deal has no enrichment at all.
He had to have pulled out of it because Netanyahu wanted to use it, claiming they were building nuclear weapons to attack Iran, and he couldn't do it if there were international inspectors verifying they were not doing what he was going to claim they did.
So Trump pulled out and now claims he'd like to have a new but it's ridiculous, it's basically wanting to disarm Iran.
It ain't it's not going to happen.
But I mean, it was all Netanyahu pulling the strings.
I'm very distressed about Trump being a puppet of Netanyahu.
That's my primary belief about the situation we're in, which is why it fascinates me that you and Bills continue to be a pu very supportive of Trump.
You think he's moving in the right direction.
I am not so sure.
Now here's the thing.
I I got upset day two of his presidency when he brought in Stargate AI.
Now the thing is, where Trump is amazing is when Trump is Trump and he's following his own advice.
He's amazing on the deal making.
He's amazing on the economy.
The tariffs are fricking brilliant.
That will be the path out of this whole debt slavery and actually get wealth back into the country.
That already slamming the engines into reverse and pulling up the nosediving economy that was the United States is already a miracle.
Like when he does things right, we take miracles for granted.
When he the points where he fucks up are the points he doesn't know anything about and relies on advisers.
And these advisers are intelligence plans, I can tell from a mile based on what he does.
So foreign policy, eh, you know, is science, oh my God, right?
But when he passes it on to good people like RFK junior, he's really trying to roll back the mRNA vaccines and trying to get all the toxins out of the food that might be working very slowly, a bit too slow for my liking, but it's heading in the right direction.
But when he passes this on to advisers who are clearly Intel plans or foreign agents, it's an utter and complete disaster.
He doesn't know anything about AI, so he doesn't know that his AI will be used to mind control the Americans that have these chips in them.
They don't know anything about, you know?
So that's a disaster.
But the one thing I really like about Trump is that when he sees that something is going badly wrong, he can turn on a dime.
So he is really someone who can do a pivot.
Just like that.
You know, a corporate pivot when, when, when he can see that stuff is going badly wrong.
He doesn't care.
When he finds out that people are rhinoceroses, he drops them like a rock, even if he supported them previously.
And he actually tells the world that they are a bunch of rhinoceroses and he dropped them because they're not good, you know.
So I think overall it's still the best we've ever seen Jim.
I don't I don't know anyone who's done this much good, you know.
A counterexample might be going after Thomas Massey, whom I regard as a single member of Congress with the most integrity, is the most honest.
I think he's the most principled, the most dedicated, a to a real constitutionalist and Trump is targeting him.
I mean, he made a big deal.
What he's targeting him for?
What did Messi do?
Well, he wasn't supportive of the big beautiful bill, I think for a whole bunch of really good reasons.
And of course, he's opposed to the wars that Trump continues to support.
I mean, we just got a new bill to send another fifty billion to Ukraine.
Talk about wasted money.
Jeez.
Yeah.
You know, that war is long since lost.
There's no salvation.
We have a crackpot general, by the way, who's targeting the war.
By the way, who's talking about taking Kaliningrad.
And this is very, very interesting because in 2017 Brinceton did a study of World War and it initiated it broke out in Kaliningrad.
And there was initial exchange, like about 700 missiles, and then everything went haywire.
Every missile got launched.
Trump's been warned by Mendavev that they have a dead hand, that if they decapitated Moscow, they have a system set up that's automatically going to launch all their weapons.
And he doesn't seem to believe it.
Scott Ritter, among others, is assuring is bona fide.
He actually had verified some of the components of the shithead system in the past.
So I just worry if Trump areas where he's ignorant is going to commit a calamity that could cost the world half of human life, you know, my fear.
You comment on the Russia thing.
I will put in a footnote.
I actually trust Trump better to work towards peace.
What I'm really worried about, even more so after your report about these kidnapped Brits.
I don't trust the Brits for shit.
Yeah.
And they are the ones who are, you know, they are the ones who got these nuclear weapons, right, from the US.
And now this, this, colonel, I said, that's why we need nuclear weapons.
I thought that was terrible.
Yeah.
Well, that, that is the headquarters of the Crown.
That's the headquarters of the Masons.
Those are the motherfuckers I'm worried about.
And I think as long as Trump can see just how desperate the fight against the Crown and true independence really are, he needs to pull away from whatever the hell Britain is doing.
Whatever they do, do the opposite, I think.
And then have a proper Independence Day next year.
Because the last one for you to continue to have faith in Donald Jay, you know, mine's been badly shaken, but you can't.
It just fascinates me that you and Catherine seem to be steadfast in your support in spite of.
I don't know anybody that can really, really is willing to take out the deep state and change the course of this country to the extent he has.
You know, there's a lot that he could be doing.
I mean, I'm sure there are people advising him.
to do certain things and certain things he's doing, you know, we don't necessarily agree with either.
I don't know of anything like a dead hand.
I don't know of anything about that, okay?
Okay.
Yeah.
So, so I'm not sure that even exists.
But if it does, you know, that probably is something we have too.
So we both have dead hands.
But I mean, the point, this general was talking about a decapitation strike on Moscow that we could have a preemptive strike and survive.
And Minovid was just discounting it, saying even if you had a decapitationation strike, you're not going to survive.
And Scott Ritter, who's a weapons inspector for the UN, has verified they have this system.
Now, this guy is one of the most truth tellers out there.
He and Colonel McGregor and Scott Wilkerson and Larry Johnson, those I think are four of the best commentators on these international relations issues, especially Ukraine and Russia, but also very, very good on the Middle East.
So I take it to be a fact that they have such a system.
May also, Bill, you're right, but it was in response to a threat of a decapitation by this general who I think has gone off the wall.
I mean, what are you thinking?
I just think it was it was said to counter what that general said.
Just a way of dealing and saying it won't make any difference, you know?
Okay.
So you're saying basically we are dealing, we're in swashbuckling territory and each side has to say certain things just to save things.
Also, taking a step back, shouldn't they?
If you fuck with it, with the willpower, well, there is.
If you try to destroy them, you should expect to be destroyed, no?
But I mean, the commander in chief has a certain passing of responsibility down the line.
If each gets knocked out, someone else does something, they go, someone else does something.
It's a process that happens.
If that's what he's talking about, yeah, then both, everyone has that.
Yeah.
Well, you're talking about automatic launch.
That's basically, there are two or three factors involved.
Yeah.
Including radiation levels and so forth to bring about the launch, but.
Well, you also have to talk about bomb damage assessment.
What are they going to do?
Fire missiles over at an empty missile silo over here?
Suppose they fire the missiles over here and then they fire them back at the missiles, the places where the missiles used to be.
It's a waste of missiles.
That does absolutely nothing.
I think it's called a bomb damage assessment process, a retargeting process that goes on.
I mean, give me a break.
I think it's more like New York, Washington, DC, Chicago, LA, you know.
Guys, on the up side, on the up side, I know it's a horrible scenario.
But as you just said, Jim, if they're aiming for the cities, they would take out places like London, like New York, like LA.
Let's face it, would we miss them?
I don't think so.
It would take out all our problems.
It would be like, yeah, let's go back to the Republic.
On that lighter note, I'm just delighted to have these conversations with you guys.
I think it's wonderful to get your point of view.
It is, I think, distinctive from any I'm encountering from other sources, and I greatly value these opportunities.
So I thank you.
You seem in good health.
I take it you may not be bombarded as often as you have been in the past with directed energy.
We are, but it's always such a pleasure to be here that for this one hour we always kind of like scrub our spectrum analyzer says that we are being monitored constantly.
Oh yeah.
We're all in the same boat.
And I'm not having to endure these physical exercises to which you're being subjected.
I'm so sorry about that.
No, but we will get through.
We'll stay hopeful.
And it's still the best shot we have, Jim.
Trump is the best shot because the alternative was Kamala.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, on that note, Catherine Hartbilt, many, many, many thanks for one more Real Deal special report.
I look forward to our next, a week hence.
Thank you both.
So much.
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