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July 29, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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Truth vs. NEW$, Inc Part 1 (28 July 2025) with Don Grahn, Brian Davidson and Joachim Hagopian
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And welcome folks to Truth versus News Incorporated.
All that news out there is jumping all over the screen and screaming at you all the time.
But you are truth.
And I have the best people to present that here.
Our show's been going for some 20 odd years.
And here on July, the 28th, 2025, when the summer is almost gone already, we're here again with a great show with Jim Fesser, who's written many books, including this one and others.
And I have a neighbor who is now reading in a sixth book that Jim has written here.
And he loves all the books.
And he thinks that this is the best information he can get anywhere.
And he just praises you all.
And so, Jim, you're going to be honored as a guest.
He's on his sixth of my edited books, six of them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he loves them all since he wrote.
He's learned a lot.
He appreciates everything.
So he's your best salesman in the world.
And then we have Brian Davidson here as well.
And he's just parked and raised for action here out of Texas.
And Joaquim is another really fantastic writer and journalist and military expert who knows what's really going on in this world.
And there's so much to tell us about.
But get started, Jim.
I guess you have some things that will shake us up today.
Last week was awesome.
What you got this week?
Oh, Don, it's pretty disturbing.
How Turner has broke our lead story.
Catastrophic data breach.
French nuclear sub-source code stolen allegedly by hackers.
My suspicion, Mossad.
Just days after announcing support for Gaza, actually, France announcing it's going to support a Palestinian state.
France's largest defense shipbuilder, naval group by name, got hacked.
Criminal hackers claim responsibility.
The hackers have allegedly given Navy Group 72 hours to pay a ransom or the data will be leaked.
It includes their classified source code, deployment guides for subs and frigates, network data, technical docs, developer of virtual machines.
It's a terabyte of data where they're sharing 13 gigabytes just as a sample to prove they've got it.
Hal Turner, France has nuclear ballistic missile submarines.
I don't think that's really a surprise for anyone.
Worst of all, this is precisely what someone could use as a false flag nuclear strike.
Something like, oops, sorry, Russia.
We didn't mean to nuke you.
The hackers did it.
Please don't nuke us back.
Meanwhile, he's had confirmation that France's entire naval deterrence doctrine, map dump, possibly mirrored by adversaries, a cybernetic kill shot, really a catastrophe.
In addition, satellite imagery reveals that Russia has made a dramatic expansion of its kamikaze drone factory.
You wouldn't believe the increase in numbers.
The images show not only production workshop, but dorms for workers up to 40,000.
Their capacity to produce single-use attack drones has expanded since 2022.
The primary drone class protection of the guarantee has increased more than tenfold from 300 a month to over 100 per day.
It is supposed to be on track to produce 500 daily, which will allow for 15,000 to be launched, attacks to be launched per month.
Unbelievable.
Meanwhile, 160 nukes on board.
Russia's commissioned a new ballistic carrier, ballistic missile submarine of its own, a new Barai-A class, where the warship is the eighth in the Barai class to have been built, a fifth in the improved Barai A class.
It benefits from significant incremental upgrades, improving its stealth and survivability.
The massive 24,000-ton vessels each carry 16 RSM-56 intercontinental ballistic missiles, each of which can deliver up to 10 nuclear warheads that are independently targetable for 160 altogether.
Meanwhile, Iran has, in my opinion at long last, received Russian S-400 air defenses.
I'm worried, however, that Israel has already figured out how to hack into them.
Iranian media report, the S-400 is finally being deployed for testing.
Took place in the city of Savahan, including the 91N6E acquisition rating, 92N6E engagement, a command and control unit, and multiple mobile surfaced air missile launchers.
This is good, but I think perhaps more important is that Iran is already receiving Chinese-made anti-ballistic missile systems that I think the Israelis haven't already hacked in 40 of these really super top-flight Chinese fighter jets.
Joaquin, your thoughts?
Well, it looks like they're building up for World War III on both sides.
And I mean, Russia has the technology advancement militarily that I don't think anybody else, you know, outdoes.
I think they're the best at what they do.
And they're obviously have an existential threat from Europe.
And it looks like there are some crazy lunatics that are puppets of European governments that are hell-bent on World War III against Russia.
So, of course, they got to do what they got to do.
But like I say, I don't think the West can compete.
I really don't believe it.
And so if, in fact, the war unfolds, as it looks very much like it will, we know the outcome, if it doesn't end up nuclear where the whole species is gone, the West will be gone.
I mean, that's where it's going.
You know, as far as what was that first story that we...
Oh, the Chinese.
The compromise of the French code for their subs.
Oh, yeah.
That's a real...
And, you know, it goes back to Robert Maxwell, Belaine's father, and Senator Tower of Texas, where they actually finagled secrets out of the U.S. nuclear development in New Mexico for promise.
You know, they stole the promise software.
This is back in the late 80s, early 90s, just before Maxwell died.
And it was given basically to Israel.
So they have a back door to pretty much every software technology that all the defense of every, basically every nation uses.
So that's why they're so skilled.
And of course, they have their unit 8200.
They really brag about that, you know.
Well, they do have some whiz kids that know how to, you know, break through and take out secrets.
And that's what it is.
So, yeah, it just complicates matters and endangers the whole world with a nuclear submarine in France.
Yeah, I mean, all kinds of false flag.
And boy, the Israel and America are the big false flag experts.
So that's probably how we're going to get into World War III through a false flag.
It's almost a 100% deal that we're going to go into World War III with a false flag to blame.
One of the Eastern enemies, probably Iran, but could be Russia too.
Yeah.
How about a pitiful situation?
How about making it a big deal by going nuclear?
Yeah.
A nuclear false flag.
Just what we need.
Brian.
Bye-bye.
Well, as U.S. hegemony deteriorates, we can see that the zoo is beginning to appear more like a zoo or more like a jungle than a zoo.
It happens that Trump was set up by the Biden administration, as well as others in this term, and things are coming apart at the seams.
Putin is more ambitious than ever.
Ukraine has run out of troops, but somehow continues to be supplied with all of these new weapons that helps them continue on the fronts that they're on.
We're seeing European structures begin to deteriorate.
We're seeing cultures beginning to come apart at the seams all across Europe.
And I would say, in one sense, American culture.
It seems like the attack has been on pretty much everywhere, except for those nations that have isolated themselves from the globalist agenda of diversity, equity, inclusion, and allowing everybody and their brother to come across their borders in the open border policies.
And as the world continues to deteriorate, BRICS gets stronger every day.
Now, as for what percentage and where it's all at, how it all mixes up, I think U.S. hegemony probably still controls 75% of the world, but I think BRICS is taking off another 5%, maybe even 10% this year in terms of global economic impact.
BRICS has been talking about setting up their own currency.
Trump is losing credibility with other nations, and it seems like the zoo is coming apart.
When the zoo comes apart, you start to hear all sorts of stories from intelligence agencies.
You know, this one about 600 nuclear missiles or nuclear-tipped warheads or whatever on a single vessel, that doesn't seem to make sense to me.
You've got one vessel that if it was hit in the right place at the right time, I guess, you know, nuclear missiles aren't quite like dynamite, but 600 of them, you know, you're talking about, you know, a global catastrophic event if the boat gets hit just right.
And then you've got problems all over the world in terms of now they're telling us hacker stories.
Let me tell you something.
My brother just went back to work after being gone from the IT industry.
He worked security for Boeing's drone program, and he was pretty high up in the game.
That was about 10, 12 years ago.
And he came back into the game after sort of taking some time off to raise his kids.
And he says, nothing has changed except the hackers don't have the power anymore.
And we're more protected than we've ever been before in terms of understanding how they did what they did.
What the hackers could pull off was then in the infancy of the coding revolution.
But as the code has gotten stronger, the hackers have fallen off the game and they have to go to more social stuff to break it.
So it does seem strange that a hacker is going to be able to penetrate a defense facility and get all that information that feels more like a planted story as a setup.
So the question is, as America slides and the rest of the world sort of rises, who wins?
Well, it looks like the winner, if we're not going to control the zoo anymore, the winner is going to be a globalist government that's able to bring all the nations of the earth under a single flag with a catastrophic global event.
And so the winners are going to be this global economic structure that is able to impose its will on all the other nations with trade sanctions.
And as we go downhill, it's less likely that it's going to be us that's controlling it.
Not that I was saying TEMA America, World Police, but at least what I was after was please, God, don't let it be a global bankster cartel.
And that's what it appears that it could be unless BRICS rises.
So at this point in time, I am rooting for BRICS.
Not that I'm rooting for the deterioration of the dollar, but it seems like it might be coming anyway.
By the way, the hacker is just a cover story.
I'm convinced it's Mossad that has undertaken this project.
Meanwhile, Israel fake phone calls to lure and kill a top Iranian generals.
This is going back to their initial strike, which was so highly successful.
A month after the war with Iran had come to a close, new details continue to emerge about Israel's targeted killing of senior Iranian officials and the extensive damage inflicted upon the Islamic Republic.
The opposition-linked outlet, Iran International, revealed details of what it called one of the most unusual security and military defeats of the modern era.
According to the report, Israel's most Saad deliberately leaked the date of an Israeli attack to an agent close to Hassan Salami, commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, to lure him to a location where he and his staff's assassination had been planned.
This was one of multiple efforts carried out by Mossad.
They also sabotaged missiles and hacked air defenses.
Israel caused over 100 Iranian missiles launched to explode upon activation during the war last month.
An Iranian analyst alleged in a newspaper interview, adding that the country's entire air defense system was hacked by Israel.
We saw the 120 to 150 rocket launchers exploded the moment they were activated.
And Iran's entire air defense system was hacked.
Saleed Lazar told Extot Online in an interview published Tuesday.
The assertion was a rare detailed account of specific military and intel failures of Iran's heavily controlled media.
He told Iran International that figures disclosed publicly are often understated, suggesting the level of Israeli penetration and infiltration could have been deeper.
Of that, I have no doubt.
Meanwhile, Israeli minister, Gaza will be wiped out and will become totally Jewish.
Israeli Heritage Minister Amakai Ilyu said Thursday Israel was working to wipe out the Gaza Strip engulfing the Palestinian territory to be settled by Jews, saying it will become totally Jewish.
The government is racing ahead for Gaza to be wiped out, he said in a radio interview, according to the Times of Israel.
Thank God we are wiping out this evil.
We are pushing this population that has been educated on Mein Kamp.
The minister, who's a member of Itmar Ben-Gurv Jewish Power Party, said Gaza will be cleansed for Jewish settlements and that Jewish towns wouldn't be infenced inside cantons.
In other words, they're going to take it all every square inch.
Meanwhile, the Israeli ambassador on starvation in Gaza, the UN did it.
Yes I led Israel's ambassador to the U.S., doubled down in his country's position that the UN is blocking the distribution of aid in Gaza to help starving Palestinians.
Amid the humanitarian crisis, he told Elizabeth Vargas reports the UN has blood on its hands and will not allow aid into Gaza without collaboration with Hamas.
Israel is doing everything it possibly can.
The problem is our efforts are being blocked by the United Nations.
And of course, that's very plausible because Israel is such an humanitarian state.
It is doing everything it can to help the Palestinians survive and thrive.
What horseshit.
Joaquin, your thoughts.
Yeah, they ended up replacing the UN with a military contractor that lures the starving people, including many children, right into the crosshairs where they kill them.
And they kill, I don't know, is it up to thousand or something in the time that the new contractor is in there killing them.
It's just abominable what they get away with.
And then they brag about it.
So, yeah, that's just a horror story.
You know, and as far as Israel minister, you know, wiping out Gaza, well, that was their agenda.
I mean, you know, there's no news in that one.
They had that from way back.
They had their intention.
You know, but way back before October 7th, 2023, Netanyahu did a speech in front of the UN and he had a map and there was no Gaza.
So, I mean, you know, they've had this plan to take over a long time now.
So, you know, and they do it in the worst way.
Look at what's happening now with the starvation kicking in.
They're not allowing any kind of humanitarian relief, food for these people to even survive.
So yeah, they're doing it one way or the other, bombing them to death and then starving them to death at the same time.
So it's almost a no-win situation until the world finally gets the balls to stop it.
But nope, so far, it's all passive.
You know, yeah, all the people are appalled by it.
But what kind of power do the people have to actually stop Israel?
No, as long as American government grants permission to all this and gives them all the weapons, there's nothing, you know, the people can't really do anything.
And the UN is pretty much toothless to stop anything.
They got kicked out and they're not even able to be effective in stopping anything.
The Muslim nation community, what have they done other than small groups like the Houdis in Iran?
They're doing pretty much everything they can.
Hezbollah and Lebanon and Gaza's, you know, Hamas, they're doing everything they can, but they're not getting any help from the rest of the Islamic world.
So, yeah, it's a horrible situation, only getting worse every day.
And, you know, it's like we know that this can't continue.
There's going to be something that happens.
And I think we're all pretty much in agreement that they're going to be doing some kind of false flag to blow this thing wide open for an active and kinetic World War III.
That's what's coming.
It's pretty obvious, I think, at this point.
You know, and then the Israeli, they're able to do back channels and do the technology with the phones where they lured all the generals and leaders there together.
That was their big success in the very first day, I guess on the 13th of last month.
But after that, it was all Iran.
But yeah, they did some damage and they have the technological ability to do that.
You know what?
They did the pager thing before that, a few months earlier.
So they're ingenious at figuring out backdoor methods to kill other people.
They're probably the best at it, actually.
You know, of course, the other nations like Iran, Russia, they adhere to the rules of war where there's a certain humanitarian clause that if you violate it, you're violating international law when you go against civilians, when you go into these very low life kind of means of destroying your enemy.
But, you know, that's the way the Israelis operate.
They have that Jewish supremacist mindset that they can get away and do anything they want to all the rest of the world that's so far inferior to them.
This is the brainwash that they have.
And to this day, the majority of Israeli citizens are totally for the genocide of the Palestinians.
They haven't changed.
Yeah, there's a minority of people in Israel that are really objecting to it, but they are a minority.
So yeah, it's pretty amazing what Israel's been able to get away with.
And nobody all through history, all through their history of now, you know, upwards of a whole century, they get away with everything.
Nobody stops them because Big Brother America is there to protect them.
It's disgusting.
It is.
By the way, on the news today, an officer was saying that, yes, World War III will be started by a false flag.
False flag anytime, anywhere.
So be prepared.
World War III is coming, folks.
I suspect because of the Embards of Trace Minerals that it's already too late to save 300 or 400,000 who are going to die from starvation, as did Karen Carpenter for the same reason.
Even if food starts arriving, it's too late to save them.
Brian.
You know, it used to be outrageous to speculate that the protocols of the learned elders of Zion was actually a plan for global domination, not just domination of the United States.
Obviously, we have felt it both culturally and in the halls of our capital.
It's Gaza today.
It could very well be New York, D.C., L.A., and Houston tomorrow, using all of the same principles, the same lawless, out-of-control principles.
Now, their structured approach to weakening nations has been effective all across Europe and all across the Americas.
And it seems that it's been implemented On such a large scale with the global banking cartels backing it, BlackRock, Blackstone, and others that are in charge of this global currency control mechanism.
It doesn't surprise me now at this point to start to speculate that the Zionists are much more ambitious than just the nation of Israel.
If you've seen the Greater Israel Project, you know that they want their borders to be vastly enlarged over what they currently are.
We know that they want to become a world center for industry and trade.
We know that they have plans to dominate every government in the nation and that they're probably insiders in Iran, which is what's indicated by these articles that they have insiders there, Mossad agents.
We think that they're probably inside Russia.
We know that they're inside Ukraine with America's help.
We know that NATO's pretty weak and has probably been infiltrated across the line.
I think that the only solution to this is a new breed of hyperloyal leaders that really do have sworn oaths and really are vetted to the point where there's no secrets left.
We have to put it all on the table and we have to shine light on the problems, which is why I'm kind of hoping that the Trump dominoes begin to fall in terms of the little girls.
Because if that domino falls, that's very likely to start taking down the dominoes globally in terms of the power network and structure.
We know that in order to be a part of the club, they have to be able to control you.
We know that they can control you with carrots and sticks, but the massage way, the preferred way, is to control you with sexual political blackmail.
If we can shine a light on the situation, fire up the guillotines and the hangman nooses, and start cleaning out the problem, there may be some hope for patriots to get in control of governments again.
But that's not going to happen as long as this problem remains hidden in the dark closets of the Epstein files and of others.
So it's time for justice.
It's time for transparency because if it doesn't happen and happens soon, then we very well could see all nations caught up in this trap.
And if that's the case, then global domination and the plan that was put forth in the protocols of the elders of Zion, that satanic plan could very well roll out effectively.
It's going to take men of spirit, men of heart, and men of moral turpitude to break loose from this evil.
And I don't see that happening without God's help.
I think our nations need to repent.
I think our people in our nations need to repent.
We need to reflect on what's wrong, and we need to solve the problem by rooting out the evil.
Well, those are most worthy objectives.
We would 100% agree.
Meanwhile, Netanyahu is being characterized as a war criminal.
For politicians, this seems so over the top.
You have Trump telling Phil Netanyahu he's the best person in the world.
Dude, how crazy was that clip yesterday?
He's like, you have the best person in the world here.
I was like, what?
He's a wanted war criminal.
What are we talking about?
All the international courts, like the victim of war crimes, or for arrest warrant.
And instead of going to arrest him, we go after the international courts, the arrest warrant for him.
It's just pure insanity.
But our politicians just seem so over the top.
You have Trump telling Netanyahu he's the best person in the world.
Dude, how crazy was that clip yesterday?
He's like, you have the best person in the world here.
I was like, what?
It's just insane.
Trump did say Netanyahu is the greatest man in the world.
And here is yet another.
October 7th at a beer.
According to 153 News, most of what happened on the 7th was AI generated.
Hi, folks.
As I mentioned to you, I have what I consider to be a very important interview that I wish to share with you.
And as you know, I don't interview too many people.
It's very rare for me to actually have anybody on the show.
But I've got a message from someone.
I actually came across his sub stack and I featured some of his stuff on an earlier report.
You know, when you look at the Middle East today, everything that's happening there, everything that's happening in Gaza, everything that's happening in Lebanon, Syria, now moving into Jordan, Yemen, the whole place has erupted, all due basically to the October 7th attack on Israel by Hamas.
But was it all really what we are told that it was?
I mean, I've been questioning this for quite a while because it seems incongruous that Hamas could have got away with what they did.
And also the level of damage that we saw with the cars burned and the houses burnt and so many people killed in the kibbutz.
I've showed you previously, I've showed you footage of helicopters firing, scraping the crowd as they're trying to run away from the festival.
I've showed you videos of tanks, Israeli tanks literally shelling homes in the kibbutz.
And we've spoken extensively about the Hannibal Directive, which is an Israeli directive designed to basically kill the hostages.
You know, if any people have been kidnapped or being held as hostages, it's Israeli policy to kill them along with the perpetrators because they simply don't want them to be kidnapped and used as bargaining chips.
And there's so much to the October 7th attack that doesn't make sense.
Even the burnt cars, the damage that was done to the vehicles, Hamas simply doesn't possess these type of weapons, let alone how they got the equipment to build ang gliders and just sail over the wall the way we're told that they did.
And there's been a lot of video footage that we're told are home movies made by Hamas, which depict their terror attack.
So I came across this guy, Matt, Matt Girton from Substack, and he has gone through the Hamas video quite extensively, and he's found certain glitches that appear to be AI-created videos.
There's certain things that happen, not CGI, but AI-created video.
I mean, AI is very big on the internet these days.
A lot of people are using it.
And it would appear that the Israelis used it to create the whole October 7th scenario.
I mean, I even question whether there are even hostages.
I mean, I can't help it.
I mean, if Israel was really going in there to protect the hostages and rescue the hostages, why would they be carpet bombing the entire Gaza Strip?
I mean, they can't expect any hostages to survive their bombing campaigns.
And even one of the alleged hostages that was released said that his greatest fear while in there was being bombed by Israel.
Let me just add, of course, we had a former IDF the very day of the event saying something was completely wrong, that it was impossible to penetrate the fence without the IDF being noticed.
That even if a bird crept on the fence, they'd be notified.
Meanwhile, Trump is showing strong support for Israel as Palestinians continue to starve to death.
Pretty distressing, all things considered.
President Trump has shown strong support for Israel in recent days, while much of the world has been outraged over the image of the Palestinians who are starving to death due to U.S.-backed Israeli siege on Gaza.
After the U.S. and Israel quit ceasefire talks, Trump blamed the lack of progress on Hamas, suggests it was time for Israel to finish a job in Gaza.
Well, we heard that before from him.
I think they want to die.
And it's very, very bad, Trump said Friday, referring to Hamas.
For its part, Hamas was surprised by the U.S. and Israel quitting the truce talks and that was committed to continuing the process until a deal was reached.
Meanwhile, Gaza, according to top famine experts, will take generations to heal.
Frankly, I think it's going to prove to be impossible.
Gaza has reached a point where society simply cannot sustain itself, and suffering increases exponentially.
Warrens famine expert Alex DeWaal.
In Gaza, Israel's deadly siege has made desperation a daily reality for over 2 million Palestinians, forced to scavenge through garbage for scraps of food, pushed to eating animal feet and grass, risking their lives for a bag of flour and being shot while doing so.
Since October 2023, mass starvation induced by Israel's crippling blockade on Haid has claimed the lives of at least 122 Palestinians, including 83 children, and the crisis is intensifying.
Multiple international organizations, including medical groups and rights monitors, have been raising the alarm, worrying that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are facing imminent death as Israel refuses to let an aid convoys waiting right outside Gaza.
Joaquin, your thoughts, my friend.
We have never seen anything like this in our lifetime.
It's an upside-down world.
And unfortunately, the ungodly Satan rules the earth.
We're seeing it up close and personal like none of us have ever seen before.
To make statements like the single man responsible for all this horror is the greatest man alive.
What does that say?
It says basically Trump, Netanyahu, and we'll throw in Zelensky, they are Shabbad Lubavitch Satanists.
They worship Satan.
They do not worship the God with the capital G. Okay?
That's the reality.
Therefore, they live in the inverse world where good is actually bad and bad is actually good.
And we're seeing it up close and personal like never before in our lifetime.
And we're all appalled and just so disturbed by everything that we're witnessing, it can't go on much longer.
And we know they are planning their false flag.
It's going to happen.
World War III, it's going to happen.
They've been wanting to depopulate the world for at least a century.
These are the controllers with the money, the money-changing crowd.
And it's a small crowd, and they want to get rid of the massive amount of population on this earth.
The Georgia guidestones, 500 million.
That's one half of 1 billion out of, well, it's probably less than 8, but they've been saying 8 plus and all that billion living on the earth.
And they want to knock it down.
15 out of 16 of us living and breathing today.
They have crosshairs on us to kill 15 out of 16 of us.
And it looks like with the doubles in charge, they're going to get their wish.
Brian.
The people of the United States of America represent 4%, 4% of the global population.
Yet we seem to control so much.
How long can that possibly last?
And the problem, we're starting to run into the same problems that the Romans ran into, which is internal rot, moral corruption.
The only thing that's going to set this right is justice.
And we need to start applying justice at home Before we can export it worldwide and give other nations the will to do it, we can't sit around and wait for the people of the world to identify these problems with their leaders.
It's time for a massive intelligence leak.
If Iran had claimed that they had the Epstein files, they had made that claim on a couple of political military websites.
They never showed their cards, but all of a sudden, Israel and Iran stopped fighting after that happened.
Now, this thing needs to be exposed.
And why do I think this thing is so important?
It's because this is the problem.
It's that 1% of the world's population, the uppermost echelon of all the societies of the world that control all of these corporations and all of these banks that have come up with this plan for global domination.
They are the ones that need to go.
And they are the ones that are members of these secret societies.
Freemasons, Illuminati, Vatican, Black Pope, whatever you want to call them, across all the different world economic forums and councils of 300 that you run into.
It's very difficult for us, the regular people, to put our fingers on who exactly is in control.
And I really don't believe that this group is networked as much as I think.
I think they're networked through a fabric of Satanism is what holds them together.
Networked through a fabric of political corruption.
Networked through a fabric of psychopathic individual ideologies that say the world revolves around me.
This is the layer of society that needs to be exposed and properly, according to proper justice, eliminated.
So until the world can see this satanic pedophile network exposed, we're not going to be able to solve the problem, and we're going to continue to descend deeper and deeper and deeper into chaos.
Meanwhile, Christina Ghislaine Maxwell answered every question from the DOJ according to her lawyer.
Every question.
Gislane answered every single question put to her by DOJ officials.
Attorney has said, David Oscar Marcus spoke briefly with the reporters outside a Florida courthouse after the disgraced British socialite was grilled during a meeting with Federal Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch.
Marcus did not take questions, but said Maxwell never declined to answer and did not invoke any privilege during the meeting.
Prior to, he said the team was looking forward to a productive day.
Meanwhile, Gaslane seeks a pardon from Trump after revealing everything on 100 persons linked to Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein's longtime partner Gaslane Maxwell has now met with Deputy Attorney General Todd Bryant twice in the past two days.
Following the conclusion of her interview today, Maxwell's lawyers said she's angling for a pardon from President Trump, though they may have not formally requested it yet.
Take a look.
Fox says she's asking Trump to wipe it all clean after second closed.
Hour two, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche's meeting with convicted sex trafficker Guillain Maxwell has ended.
This says critics are calling for more transparency in the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.
Welcome back as we head into hour two of America Reports.
I'm Sandra Smith in New York.
And Bill, great to have you here today.
Great to be with you as well, Sandra.
I'm Bill Malugin in Los Angeles.
John Roberts has the day off.
That meeting Sandra just mentioned just wrapped up moments ago.
Maxwell was escorted back to the prison from the courthouse in Tallahassee.
Her attorney said they had a, quote, productive meeting with Blanche, but details of their talks still remain under wraps right now.
All right, vaccine coverage is at the ready.
Chief legal correspondent Channel Mareem is live here in New York City, standing by with analysis.
But first, let's get to our justice correspondent, David Spunt.
He's got the latest from Washington for us.
David, what else did Maxwell's attorney say?
Well, he said a lot.
We wish we could be in and hear what was said in the actual meeting.
This meeting was a lot shorter than it was yesterday, but this was a two-day event.
The highlight, though, it appears that her team wants a pardon.
Watch.
We're going to take one day at a time.
I know that's very brief, but it's true because things are happening so quickly.
We haven't spoken to the president or anybody about a pardon just yet.
And, no, listen, the president this morning said he had the power to do so.
We hope he exercises that power in the right and just way.
But the president.
That's right.
He said he has the power to do it.
Holy shit.
Newsmax has officially begun calling Maxwell a victim.
Get this.
Victim.
And she's also been subpoenaed by the Oversight Committee.
I think this is great.
I do have a feeling that she has been.
She just might be a victim.
She just might be.
There was a rusty judgment.
There was a lot of chaos there for a while.
All right.
Granted, she hung out with Jeffrey Epstein.
And I know that's apparently not good, but she's in jail.
I mean, what a joke.
What a joke, this guy.
Apparently, that's not good.
He knows she was in jail, but maybe she's a victim.
Meanwhile, Trump asserts he's allowed to pardon her.
Trump on pardoning Ghaslaine Maxwell, I'm allowed to do it.
Asked if he would consider a partner commutation for Ghaslane.
Trump said, It's something I haven't thought about.
It's really something that some I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I've not thought about.
I said back in November 2024 that Trump, in keeping with tradition, could pardon guest lane Maxwell or Sam Bankman-Freed by the end of his second term.
As I reported in July, Jeffrey Epstein, former lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who successfully lobbied President Trump to pardon a host of Chabodnik super criminals during his first term, is pushing for Trump to pardon Maxwell.
Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Keelane Maxwell if it's something I haven't thought about?
It really isn't.
I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I have not thought about.
But you wouldn't rule it out.
Why has the dollar?
Yeah, he hasn't thought about it right.
Joaquin, your thoughts.
It came out, you know, over a year ago, you know, that he had been thinking about giving her a pardon.
So yeah, it's been on his mind for a long time now.
They were buddies and she's got all the dirt on him.
So what this whole thing is, first of all, Todd Blanche is Trump's personal lawyer, has been for a lot of years now, bailing him out here and there through all the sexual escapades.
And so he is not a deputy attorney general for the United States or the citizens of America.
He is the personal attorney with the token title of deputy attorney general.
He is working totally on behalf of the criminal, Donald Trump.
Let's get that straight.
And it's two sides working it out where she gets what she wants maximized and he gets what he wants maximized.
That's what the deal is brewing here.
And what's going to come out probably, there will not be 100 of these top very billionaire class perverts that will go down.
That's not going to happen.
That's all flap-flap with the mouth-mouth.
What's going to happen if anything comes to any of these guilty child rapists is that the rotten fruit closest to falling already will go.
And I would say that probably there are some rather aged individuals who are probably in their 80s that will probably be, and they'll not even be the more known ones.
You know, there is a list of people that have come up in all the depositions and all the court actions and from the victims themselves sometimes.
And we know we have a handful of those people that have been mentioned time and time again.
Well, all the big ones, I don't think any of them are going to go down in all of this.
I think there will be some lowest hanging fruit that will be selected, just like Gillene Maxwell had to go down in face 20 years.
But she's not going to do 20 years now.
She's working out a deal with Trump.
And Trump can, you know, he's trying to save face.
He's trying to keep his troops of the MAGA crowd that are pretty much done with him.
But he's trying to, you know, salvage it so that at least he still has support for taking care of the Epstein business finally.
But it's all going to backfire and it's all going to come out.
And, you know, as far as Ghelane Maxwell being a victim, that is just so sickening to me because the victims are being victimized again, all over again.
They have been from the very beginning marginally taken out of the picture of what happens in this whole situation to the horrible grave injustice done to them at such an early and vulnerable age.
They've been taken out of the equation of everything that's gone down where they become re-victimized, re-victimized, re-victimized, and it's happening all over again.
They have no say.
They never did because they have been considered throwaway population, kids that are in the system, poor kids that become vulnerably involved in it, and then they have never had justice, never have had justice.
And it's happening all over again.
So yeah, they're the last ones that are in what goes down.
They're the last ones that are going to have any say because they don't to this very day.
And that's the way the system's always been, is to protect the powerful and the rich so that they can do anything and get away with it.
Murder, incest, rape, everything and get away with it.
And then the rest of us, 99 plus percent of the population, oh, all those laws apply to us, but only us.
It's a two-tiered system.
It's disgraceful.
And, you know, whatever happens, it ain't going to be justice.
I'll tell you that much.
Yeah, when I first heard he was, DOJ was going to interview her, I thought, how better than to do it right out front in public, bribery and cover up?
There it is.
Do it under some official guys, right in front of God and everybody.
Brian, your thoughts.
My thoughts are that it's the institution of the FBI that is a fundamental problem here.
Herbert Hoover kept political blackmail files on everybody.
It's been going on for years.
It's a massive protection, massive, not Herbert Hoover, sorry, Jay Edgar.
Massive protection racket.
The states, every time the state goes and starts an investigation, the feds come in and take over.
And then the feds become a protection racket for everything else, for all the justice structures out there.
And really, what does the federal government do?
It prosecutes the little people.
It takes down the little criminals.
And it leaves the big ones for no structure whatsoever to go after.
In my opinion, it ought to be burnt down.
The whole thing ought to be burnt down.
And you know what?
Institutional control, the reason that institutional control is so important for the globalists and the corporatists is because all you have to do to control an institution is control the top tier of the institution.
And if you control the top tier of the top tier of the top tier of the justice structure in America, you can guarantee that this sort of political bullshit continues forever and ever and ever.
The institution itself is rotten.
And I'm sorry for all the quote unquote good FBI agents that I keep hearing about from Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and Sean Hannity and all the rest of them, but show me where one's been a patriot.
Is there a single patriot left?
Have they all been purged from all levels of our military and our government everywhere?
We had a conversation with a military guy this week who was a G14, and his position was that they've been purged.
There's no Patriots left.
The last of the Patriots went down with Obama.
So if that's true, then the structure is wasted.
Let it burn.
It needs to go down.
And that's just the way it's going to have to be if we're going to ever get a good reset where there's actual justice.
And I'm not talking about a surveillance state like Chinese communists.
I'm talking that protects the oligarchs and leaves everybody else having to operate according to these robotic rules.
I'm talking about a truly free society with truly free speech where we're allowed to own weapons and we're allowed to fight back against a government that no longer acts in the capacity that it's supposed to act in.
That's what the Declaration of Independence was all about.
We fought revolutions for that type of platform and it's gone.
There's nothing left.
I do think Obama had a whole lot to do with this because I remember when he was screening through the top echelons, the flag officers of the Army and the Navy, and he was firing everyone who committed themselves to uphold the Constitution rather than declare their loyalty to Barack Obama.
Joachim, you must have been as shocked as I when that took place.
And it was blatant out there.
It was very public, outrageous, and a disgrace.
Dereliction of a duty.
Have we a total betrayal of America, its Constitution, and American people?
Yeah, we have a military that is basically loyal to the system.
They're corrupted.
And as Brian was mentioning, they are loyal not to the citizens of America or the Constitution.
They are loyal to the despotic satanic system that we're living in.
So if that's the case, then martial law won't work.
Civil law won't work.
Criminal law won't work.
There's no law left except the law of the jungle.
And in the law of the jungle, hopefully the jungle animals will end up taking them all out because that's what it's going to decline to.
Now, I could see a scenario where martial law is enacted, but the reason that the system was purged was so that martial law could or would never be enacted, because then there would be military law and military tribunals.
It's not going to happen.
Unless it's a war.
And under proper implementation of the Universal Code of Military Justice, Barack Obama would be subjected to court-martial, found guilty, and shot, executed for treason.
Do you have any doubt?
No, he's definitely a traitor to America.
That's for sure.
He's proven that time and time again.
So, yeah, I mean, it'd be nice if, you know, Tulsi's discovery of all the bad that happened with the setup of Trump presidency, the first term, if all that comes to pass, along with all the rest of the sins that this bad man has done.
But, you know, it's not just a few individuals.
There are a lot of individuals that have been basically, they're all corrupted.
They're all basically traitors.
And they're all compromised.
Pedophiles are pedophile enablers.
That's how the system operates.
The gatekeepers are all of that.
Otherwise, they don't get inside.
It's the club that you and I ain't in, like George Carlin.
Rest in peace, said.
I think one of the most interesting questions of the day is, what really happened to John McCain?
He might have been murdered.
Along with Daddy Bush.
John, take us out.
Really?
You're taking me out.
Wow.
What a session here.
World War III and all this stuff is coming on and corruption to the core.
America ain't the way I thought it was when I'm going up and things.
It's so corrupt to the core that I'm not sure that I'm that proud anymore from all the facts.
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