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July 10, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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'REAL ID' Is A TROJAN HORSE For Total Surveillance!
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And to understand that that is not a driver's license anymore.
That is a federal ID under federal control that the federal government is allowing the states to use for people to use as a driver's license.
But you'll notice it's not called a real driver's license, right?
It's called a real ID.
It is a national ID card.
It's a usurpation of states' rights.
It's a violation of privacy rights.
They plan to digitize it.
The DMV has testified to Congress.
They plan to digitize it, put it on your phone, and have remote and real-time access to it.
This is happening right now.
So I've run up against this.
They tell you you can't fly unless you have what they call a real ID.
Now, I used to just use my driver's license, but that changed recently.
And you have to have what they call a real ID, which is not just a state ID anymore.
It's a federal ID, really.
So this is really wild that we're going against what everybody thinks of America, that you don't need to have this.
But here, down here, I want to read this to you.
The official purpose of this.
It says the term official purpose includes, but is not limited to accessing federal facilities.
So you need a real ID if you want to access federal facilities, if you want boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft or entering nuclear power plants.
So two out of the three, I'm good.
And then it says, and any other purposes that the secretary shall determine.
So that means they could use for anything, for any reason whatsoever at any time.
Well, Jimmy, you are ahead of the crowd here.
The fact that you found that is fantastic because most people think, oh, this is just about flying.
Absolutely not.
And that's one of the reasons we as a health freedom organization are in this battle because we believe it will lead to no card, no care.
And not only that, but we know that a lot of people don't have to fly and they never will fly or they'll fly only once and they've already flown that one time, right?
But everybody needs access to a doctor.
So if Secretary Christy Noam wanted to force everybody into real IV, which she does, she could simply take this because you'll notice that that statement there says the secretary shall determine.
And in a rule that the Homeland Security put out back in 2008, they declared that they do not have to go back to the president or to Congress to expand these required purposes.
In other words, they have the power to expand restrictions, restricted access, restrictions on travel.
You can just imagine if you had to have it to open a bank account, to get married, to buy a gun, to rent a car.
You name it.
They could come up with a national security purpose for any of those, right?
And so there's absolutely no limit.
That is only the floor.
The ceiling is endless.
So it's really important, yeah, for people to understand that what they have in their pocket, if they've got one of those stars.
So thank you for having those stars up there in that graphic, because, and California has the bear, but everybody else has got some sort of a star.
And to understand that that is not a driver's license anymore.
That is a federal ID under federal control that the federal government is allowing the states to use for people to use as a driver's license.
But you'll notice it's not called a real driver's license, right?
It's called a real ID.
It is a national ID card.
It's a usurpation of states' rights.
It's a violation of privacy rights.
They plan to digitize it.
The DMV has testified to Congress.
They plan to digitize it, put it on your phone, and have remote and real-time access to it.
And because it's also under biometric control, so the rule, the real ID rule, says that it needs a biometric facial scanned picture, right?
So the picture that is now on there is a biometric picture.
And I read that they need, to be a biometric picture, they need like 50 points between your two ears.
So it's a different kind of picture that's being taken and being put on here.
And they have essentially decided that it is there.
They've claimed a right to collect and catalog the coordinates of your body for their control and their surveillance.
And they just say it's starting with the face, but they say in the future, it could be other things.
And if states have bowed to the federal government and conformed with the Federal Real ID Act, they have also agreed that when the federal government changes something, the state will change something.
So what's the real downside to this program, which was, by the way, slipped into a defense authorization bill?
How this originally got passed was after 9-11.
It was like 2005 or something like that.
And it got slipped into a defense authorization bill, like a must-pass kind of a thing.
And so a lot of the people voting on it weren't really even aware of what was happening.
So, and they never had a hearing on this in the Senate.
There was never any public testimony or a hearing or anything.
They just went ahead and did this.
So what is the real nightmare scenario?
Is this one of those things where this is going to be tied to your kind of a social credit score?
And if you're using too much carbon, if they have a carbon footprint metric and they could stop you from spending your own money in certain ways, is that what you are afraid of, something like that?
Well, I think that we have to just look at it first and foremost, that it is, they've gone completely against the Constitution.
And they have said to states that driving is under federal control, identification is under federal control, and as you noted there, and for any other purpose.
And so that would mean that travel, transportation, transactions, access, all of these things can be put under federal control under this law.
So on its face, it's just unconstitutional.
And, you know, the interesting thing about this is that in the very beginning, when the states got wind of this, and you're correct, people didn't get wind of it, although people in the Senate knew what they were voting on because it was an amazing testimony from the people on the Senate floor.
Lamar Alexander calling it a national identification card and saying we need a public debate on this.
Patty Murray, a Democrat, she talked about the fact that there are privacy concerns.
We shouldn't do that.
I never voted on it, was never in conference committee.
So it's not like they didn't know on the Senate floor, right?
But then once the states got wind of this, about 30 states came against it.
They either wrote laws, passed laws that said we will not comply, or they passed resolutions that said we object.
And so nothing really happened for about nine years until President Obama stood up and said to the world, you won't be able to fly in 2016 if you don't have a real ID.
And that's when the national media picked it up, fanned the flames of fear throughout the entire country.
And within about three years, all the states had conformed.
And rather than standing up like the earlier legislators had.
And so, you know, ultimately, this is all about federal control.
And as what's his name in Massachusetts, not Massachusetts, Massey.
Congressman Massey said, you won't actually understand how they want to use it until everybody's got it.
And, you know, from our perspective, we're going to stop this thing.
We're going to make sure everybody does not get it.
Because if you look at the national ID cards in other countries, and if you look at the country who's helping them as well as our country create this national ID system, they need it for everything.
They basically can't do anything if they don't show their national ID.
And so it's no longer about the states, and the states are completely out of the picture.
Now it's all about the federal government and whichever administration you have.
And you are correct about this idea of carbon credits because the fact of the matter is the liberals really want you to stay in your 15-minute cities.
And when it's digitized, put it on your phone.
And every time you use it, it pings the government, right?
They will know when you leave your 15-minute cities.
And certainly there are those who would prefer to tax you for every time that you cost too much, use too much carbon.
Yeah.
So if you use too much gas or oil or electricity or whatever, they can tattle.
Yeah, they can do whatever they want.
So why do you think there isn't, I mean, why aren't people like Rand Paul and Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene and whoever, why aren't there more people out there screaming about this than just you?
Well, we have Thomas Massey is out there.
Ron Paul is out there.
Rand Paul is a mystery.
I don't know if he's got a plan and he's just not implementing it yet.
I'm waiting to see how far this goes because he has never been a supporter of national identification systems.
We have worked with him for a long time to stop the unique patient identifier, which was Hillary's plan for one number for all of your medical records.
So, you know, it is a mystery to us.
We have no idea.
But there is a general feeling out there that this is a done deal.
But if it's a done deal, then we have lost our freedom in the country because then the federal government is in charge of everything, gets all the information, has all of the control.
And this is, you know, we have to stop that to actually keep an America that is free.
The other thing is lots of them just don't understand.
Lots don't understand.
So, I mean, I use, so when I fly, I use my passport.
No.
And that's considered a real ID.
No.
No.
So that's a really important thing.
It's a real ID compatible identification card.
In other words, they allow it to be used, but a real ID is what the government wants you in.
And so it is a card that will get used for every transaction.
So a passport is not for every transaction, right?
It's a book, although you might have the passport card, but even that's not for every transaction and it's not digitized, right?
And so you're not going to take your passport to buy a gun or buy groceries or rent a car.
You're not going to do that, right?
That's why they want everybody in.
And the DMVs, when they testified to Congress, that was December 5th, 2023.
And they said, we're going to digitize it, put it on your phone and have remote real-time access to it.
They said, initially, we're going to start with 2% of the identification cards.
And for a while, we're going to have to have people with a hard copy of their identification card, but eventually we'll switch over to it all being digitized.
So this is, you know, the DMVs have been very stealth, sneaky about this because in that time when I said, you know, all those states said no, right?
And Obama then, you know, did this clarion call to the world.
In between that time, we discovered that the DMVs were accepting federal money to build the real ID system, even though it was a violation of law.
Even though their laws said, thou shalt not do anything to advance the real ID system, they were taking money and they were moving it forward.
And as some of them said, there was an article in May of 2020 when all of us were locked down and not looking, right?
But there was an article in 2020 talking about what happened in those intervening years.
And the reporter found that out by talking with five anonymous sources.
And one of them said, you know, we had to do it behind the backs of our governors.
And we had to be very careful what we said so that our governors did not get embarrassed because they had signed a law against real ID.
And here we were moving it forward.
So, well, here you actually launched a campaign that you can refuse your real ID campaign.
And here at your website, it says that you need to check your license.
So look for the star in the upper right corner of your driver's license.
In California, it's a bear, right?
If there is a star, you have already have a real ID.
If there is no star, you have a standard state driver's license.
You can refuse the star card.
If you do not have a real ID, don't get one.
Ask your DMV for a standard state driver's license instead.
45 states offer standard licenses.
States that don't are Texas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, and Wyoming.
You would think Texas would.
That's wild.
And Florida, both.
So secure TSA approved ID to fly.
Real ID is not required to fly.
The TSA accepts 15 different forms of ID, including a U.S. passport, a U.S. passport card, a permanent resident card, a military ID, and more.
So if you already have a real ID, visit your DMV in person or online and replace it with a standard driver's license if available.
For more information, check out our lose the real ID handout.
So you could take a call.
So I want you to call your officials to repeal the real ID.
Really?
So does it not feel like so?
So I don't have one.
I don't have a real ID.
I have a regular state driver's license, but I used to use my passport to fly.
What if someone doesn't have a passport and they need to fly?
And they're a regular citizen like me.
What do they do?
Yeah.
So isn't that interesting?
You have an identification card, a government identification card, and they're basically saying it's not good enough.
And there you get caught in some kind of dilemma, right?
But the fact of the matter is, it's not a dilemma as much as you might think that it would be.
And that is because even when there wasn't real ID and the push for real ID wasn't on, people lost their ID cards.
They had them stolen.
They lost them.
And then they went to the airport and they said, I don't have one.
And then they had a process at the airport.
And I don't know if you've ever been through the process, but I have because I lost mine.
And so they take you a special little table.
They got a phone there.
They pick up the phone.
And the TSA agent starts asking you questions.
So there's like LexisNexis or something on the other side who has all of this information on this from all of these different public sources.
And so the first question I think I was asked was, what was your first email address?
And I think I was then asked something like, what was the color of your first car?
And if I couldn't answer something, they said, okay, that's fine.
Let's just ask another one.
And I think after I answered like five questions, they did a search of my luggage and then they let me go.
And that's exactly the same thing that is happening today with this special or additional search items that people have to go through if they don't have a real ID or a passport.
And that is happening today at the airport.
Now, the frustrating thing about Secretary Christy Noam is that in April, she televised to the entire country that if you go to the airport on May 7th without a real ID, you will not be able to travel.
That's what she said.
And all the time, that was false.
It was completely false.
One, because there are 16 different, a total of 16 different IDs that you could use.
But two, the department had in January finalized a rule.
And the rule is a progressive enforcement rule for the next two years.
Full enforcement doesn't happen until May 5th, 2027.
So then when, after she says it, and they've got videos everywhere of her saying this, then she goes in front of Congress on May 6th, the day before the deadline, the supposed deadline, right?
And she tells Congress, oh, no, no, people who don't have a real ID, they'll be able to fly.
You know, they'll just go through a few more security steps, but we will make sure that they meet their travel itinerary.
Those were her words.
And then amazingly, on the very next day, we didn't find it the next day.
We found it about three weeks later.
She put it on Instagram on May 7th and she said, today you need a real ID if you want to fly.
And it was never true.
It was never true.
What about children?
Real quick question.
Somebody asked, what about children?
What about children?
When they fly?
Oh, yeah.
Real ID is for 18 and over.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you.
So let me just go through.
You on your website, you have the 10 reasons why you should refuse a real ID.
Real ID creates a national ID without a vote.
It was pushed through Congress after 9-11 without full debate.
Americans never approved it.
Most states initially rejected it under the 10th Amendment, but now it's back.
Real ID violates privacy rights.
As U.S. Senator Patty Murray said on the Senate floor in 2005, it has implications for personal privacy.
Indeed, it's a violation of the Fourth Amendment and your privacy rights.
State DMVs plan to digitize it, put it on your phone, and have remote access to it.
Every time you use it, it'll ping the DMV.
So this is, again, what we found out about from Edward Snowden is that we live in a surveillance state.
So honestly, Twilight, it's like I've given up already because I know that they've got everything that they could ever want.
They have, you know, they're taking all your emails, all your texts, all your phone calls.
They're storing all that information.
This is all unconstitutional, but they did it under the Patriot Act, right?
Which is very Orwellian named a Patriot Act.
It's the opposite of Patriot Act.
It's the, you know, authoritarian act and surveillance act.
So it feels like the cat's already out of the bag, right?
No?
But it's not.
See, that's the thing.
And they want you to believe that.
This is what people say is like they already have everything.
No, they don't.
Otherwise, there wouldn't be such a push and all of these lies to get us to all get the real ID.
They want us all in this national ID system.
It's not just a card.
It's a system.
And if you are outside and you don't get a real ID, they cannot fully impose this system.
I always tell people if they are demanding something, they don't have it yet.
So never believe that they have everything because they don't.
Otherwise, they just like, you know, they wouldn't care, right?
And they wouldn't lie and they wouldn't pressure you and they wouldn't look at you askance at the airport when you refuse to have a real ID.
And they do.
So it says, number three, the real ID erodes state sovereignty.
The real ID violates the 10th Amendment by coercing states to comply with the Federal Real ID Act and Department of Homeland Security standards and all future changes the federal government dictates.
States are not forced to do it.
They were coerced into submission, but they can pull out any time.
Number four, Real ID enables biometric-based surveillance.
DMVs under the Real ID Act collect and store facial geometry data and precise triangulated body measurements.
That's your biometric coordinates, the building blocks of a total surveillance state.
So when I go fly now, they take a picture.
Oh, but you shouldn't.
You should not stand in front of that camera.
Do not do it.
They are training their machines.
And so, and it says there's a little sign that says you can opt out.
There's signs as you're walking toward it that say you can opt out.
You must opt out.
And as a matter of fact, there's a bipartisan bill in Congress with Markey and what's his name?
The funny guy.
Oh, shoot.
I can't think of his name.
Kennedy.
And others who are all against these cameras.
And it's called the Travelers Privacy Protection Act.
And I get a sense that something may actually happen to move that forward.
They're very upset with these cameras.
But you do not have to.
You don't have to do it.
And just say no.
So if I don't let them take my picture, I can still fly?
Absolutely.
Okay.
Number five.
You know, people are concerned that it's too late.
That's what we just talked about.
She's saying it's not too late.
There's 44% of all IDs and licenses that are not yet part of the system.
And we are having people all around the country turn in their real IDs.
And so, and it's happening because we're hearing from people like in California, someone said easy peasy.
In Indiana, on the other hand, they said, if you already have a real ID, we won't let you switch, even though we give you a choice.
And so we're going to see if that's a rogue DMV agent that is saying that sort of thing.
But anyway, it's absolutely not truly at all.
And number five, a real ID can be used to control access to daily life.
Federal law allows future expansion of the official purposes of the real ID.
Beyond boarding flights and entering federal buildings, these purposes could include banking, employment, or healthcare.
So that's another reason.
So, yeah.
Number six, real ID sets the stage for a social credit system.
Real ID provides the digital and biometric infrastructure to implement a China-like control grid where your access to services could depend on behavior, your beliefs, or your health status.
Number seven, Real ID opens the door to global ID systems.
Digital identity systems are being pushed by the United Nations, World Economic Forum, and the World Health.
Oh, of course, because the WHO basically is just a puppet of the billionaire class, which is the WEF.
And they're all working with the UN.
Real ID harmonizes U.S. identification standards with expanding global control frameworks.
So that's basically, I don't want anything to do with the WHO.
I don't want anything to do with the WEF.
And that's directly a result of COVID and what they did during COVID.
They're looking out for your health.
They're looking out for the pocketbooks of the billionaires that control them.
That's exactly what they're doing.
Well, and if I could just say something about the company.
So when you're at the airport, take care to look at the equipment around the TSA agents.
And almost at every airport, you will see the word idemia.
This is the company, Idemia.
And Idemia also runs TSA PreCheck.
They run the cameras at ports all around the nation.
They did the 1 billion ID cards for the country of India.
They are doing about 40 of the states, the driver's licenses and real IDs of 40 of the states in the United States.
And their plan is what they call augmented authentication, a future where your body is your ID and where there are no papers for you to show.
And so that is where they're heading those cameras.
You know, those are edemia.
So, you know, we're trying to actually let people see this big, the companies that are behind the surveillance system, building the surveillance system.
And this is one of them, a major one for us.
Number eight, you cannot opt out of Real ID without consequences.
You can refuse Real ID, but you'll lose Ready access to essential services like commercial air travel and entry into federal facilities.
If you want access, you'll have to pay extra for a passport or a passport card and a lot sufficient time to get those identification documents before you need access.
Number nine, Real ID is a Trojan horse for vaccine passports.
With digital health credentials already being tested, a digital real ID would make it easy to link your real ID to your vaccination status or other private medical data.
And as we realized through COVID, the whole idea behind a vaccine passport card was bogus.
Bogus meaning that the idea was that if you were vaccinated, you didn't transmit the virus.
And so you were protecting other people by doing.
That was the whole idea why you couldn't go to a restaurant or you couldn't go to college or you couldn't go to work without a vaccine passport.
But it turns out that that was bogus and that there's lots of studies that showed that people who are vaccinated actually do pass the virus and can contract the virus.
And in fact, carry the same amount of viral loads.
So that was, and but so, and then when they were asked about this in front of the European Parliament, if Pfizer tested to make sure it did stop transmission and contraction, the Pfizer executive said, no, we didn't even test, which to me sounds like they did test, but the test didn't turn out the way they wanted.
So they buried that test.
I can't say that with any kind of certainty.
I'm just saying knowing how big pharma works, that's what it sounds like to me.
So and then number 10, real ID trains Americans to submit to a papers please authority.
Real ID inculcates submission.
Government approval as a requirement to move and transact freely would be normalized in an American society.
The antithesis of freedom.
Real ID becomes pre-authorization for living life.
So that's the, we used to be proud that we didn't do that.
Like we always made fun of Nazi Germany, papers, please.
Like we don't do that in the United States.
But now that's exactly what we're doing right now.
We're becoming like Nazi Germany where we're able, the federal government can ask you for your papers, please, right?
Yes, but you know, again, this is sort of like HIPAA, right?
What people think versus what's actually happening.
I talked to a young man who said when he went to the DMV and he had a choice between a standard driver's license and a real ID.
And he said, well, of course I want a real ID.
I mean, it's real.
I mean, why wouldn't I want a real ID, right?
So, you know, a lot of things happen because of the words that they choose to try to get the American public to believe that this is a good thing.
The other thing is, you know, the things that they say that it's going to stop.
So they, you know, the whole thing was after 9-11, but that's a very weird thing, right?
To even have it come from, because all of those who were in those planes, crashing them into those buildings, they had perfectly legit driver's licenses and passports.
Those were all legit.
And the fact of the matter is you, real ID, you don't even have to be a citizen to get real ID.
It's not required that you be a citizen.
You just have to have a legitimate reason for being in the country.
Well, imagine all the people who could have nefarious reasons, right, and are in the country and like, this is going to help, but it's not going to help.
You know, all those people could do all sorts of awful things and have a real ID.
And that's not going to protect us.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a okay.
Yeah.
There's a lot of nefarious stuff that happened around those 9-11 hijackers getting their passports.
It all came from the same office.
And so there was some anyway, a lot of speculation about if there was someone on the inside helping them, which the evidence looks like there was.
So, all right.
So our message today to our audience is refuse your real ID.
The real ID is just another step towards vaccine passports and towards global control of you.
And it's another step towards social credit scores and being able to control your carbon footprint, which means they can control your banking, which means they can control your movement.
They can stop you from traveling.
They can do everything.
And don't let them take your picture at the airport.
So those are the big things we're going to take away from today.
Go against your, don't, don't get the real ID.
Get a regular driver's license.
If you want to fly, use your passport or something else.
Is there a list of the 16 other identifications that you could use?
Yes, the TSA has them.
All you have to do is look up acceptable identification and TSA, and that list will pop up.
We also have it at refuseerealid.org, which is our special site for this.
We've got a link to those 16.
And I should also say the other thing people should do is tell their state legislators.
There are eight states that have legislators who are already introducing bills or passing resolutions to stop real ID, to extract themselves from real ID, starting with Laura Libby in the state of Maine, and she had a hearing on her bill.
So, you know, we're making progress at that level as well.
And then we are talking to AGs, attorney generals, attorneys general, to try and stop it at that level, because that's what they're supposed to do.
They're supposed to protect federalism in every state.
And what we have discovered is lots of them didn't really realize what real ID is, much like all those members of Congress didn't realize what HIPAA is.
So, you know, big deceptions.
There are lots of big deceptions.
But now when you know something, you can actually start to change the entire trajectory here.
Okay, Twyla Braze, I really appreciate your work.
Everybody should check out your website.
That's cchfreedom.org, which stands for Citizen Council for Health Freedom.
So that's cchfreedom.org.
And all the information you need is there.
Twila, thanks for coming on today.
I appreciate it.
It was great.
Thanks so much, Jamie.
Okay.
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