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	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Rod Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B, the 7th day of July 2025, joined by co-host Joe Wolson.
	We have quite Santa Claus, but Benjamin Netanyahu coming to town again.
	Many are apprehensive and expecting that he's going to ask for permission to nuke Iran or for the United States to do so on behalf of Israel.
	Here's what global research has to say about it.
	Will Donald Trump surrender or will Beebe resort to a false flag?
	Benjamin Networ is on his way for his third visit to Washington during the first six months of his second term of President Trump.
	Bibi requests a visit, likely wants something.
	He never likes to hear anyone tell him no.
	The American Jewish community and the state of Israel working together already mustering their substantial resources to give the prime minister anything he wants, no matter what that might be.
	If necessary, the so-called Israeli lobby, which controls many aspects of what is referred to colloquially as the United States government, has unique ability to lay down a serious guilt trip on anyone who tries to interfere with their prerogatives.
	Their ability to persuade is frequently based on repeated invocations of semi-mythical event called the Holocaust, which has been and will continue to be a burden and all of the rest of humanity forever.
	Well said.
	Meanwhile, we have the additional discovery of what's going on here as Scott Ritter is explaining that he believes that Putin is going to ask for America to nuke Iran and
	that it's completely within the bounds of propriety that that's going to happen.
	A very, very disturbing situation for America and the world.
	I am troubled beyond belief about what's happening here.
	And Joe, if in fact it turns out that he wants a new Iran, do you think that Donald Trump is going to acquiesce?
	Because there are many of us who are worried that that might happen.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure it will happen because Trump has absolutely no boundaries at this point.
	He's a messianic megalomaniac, and he's completely under Nutty Yahoo's control.
	And Nutty Yahoo is a messianic megalomaniac.
	So this is what we're heading off the cliff towards.
	And I don't see how they can avoid it for much longer because all of this stuff that Nutty Yahoo has used for blackmail for 30 years is all being exposed.
	And even though they came out today and Cash Patel, who I call Cashmere Pastel, and Dan Vaggino, who I call Dan Vagino, have said that there's no client list and there's no blackmail involved in the Epstein files.
	We know that's an absolute 100% bullshit lie.
	And we know that Trump and the people of Iran have the real information.
	Here's more about it then, also from Global Research by Mike Whitney.
	You can usually tell which side is what the war by simply observing what happens after the hostilities end.
	Following the announcement of a ceasefire between Iran and Israel, millions of Iranians poured into the streets of Tehran, chanting patriotic songs and waving flags in a spontaneous display of jubilation.
	In contrast, there were no festivities or celebration in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, where the mood was noticeably more somber and gloomy.
	What this indicates is that most people believe that Iran won the war.
	We are not ignoring the fact that Iran's threshold for success in the conflict was much lower than Israel's.
	As the aggressor, Israel needed to attain its strategic goals to claim victory, while Iran only needed to withstand the assault, which it managed to accomplish with great ease.
	Regardless of whether this benchmark is equitable, the result is evident.
	For 12 days, Iran held its own, matching Israel's aggression blow for blow, eventually forcing Israel to seek a ceasefire.
	In short, Iran won.
	The outcome of the conflict has been particularly instructive for Israeli leaders who now realize they are incapable of winning a conventional war with Iran.
	Unfortunately, that lesson has ominous implications for the rest of the world, as no one seriously thinks that Netanyahu is going to ditch his lifelong dream of a greater Israel extending across the region.
	If a conventional war against Iran cannot be won, then Israel must escalate to the next level of military confrontation.
	That is the rationale.
	Behind Net Yemen's unexpected trip to Washington next week, he wants Trump to lead the next round of fighting with a nuclear bomb.
	I find this profoundly troubling, but I find it also altogether plausible.
	That's exactly what's going on.
	Here's Scott addressing the issue.
	You need to do it yourself.
	There's, I guess, circumstantial evidence, meaning that, you know, according to Pete Hegseth on the Ford facility, it's been studied now over the course of many years by two DARPA scientists who, you know,
	have postulated a theoretical scenario involving ventilation shafts and the precision application of GBU-57 bombs that could hypothetically produce a result that in theory could have caused collapse or thermal destruction of centrifuges contained inside the Fordeaux facility.
	So the B-2s dropped the requisite number of bombs.
	Photographic imagery shows the bombs landed approximately where they're supposed to.
	I mean, according to the president, MPKSF, the size of a refrigerator door.
	I haven't seen any evidence to sustain that.
	But the point is he doesn't know because they have no way of knowing what happened inside.
	There's theories about what could have happened, vibrations, collapse, heat, but they simply don't know.
	What we do know is that the Iranians are in the process of excavating into the facility.
	Remember, they filled up the tunnels before the strike.
	And so they're in the process of gaining access.
	And whether or not they choose to share what they find with us is their business.
	But what we do know also is that the president simply doesn't know, has no idea, no way of knowing.
	He is acting on a theory that was put forward by two scientists.
	I've dealt with a lot of people who put forward theories.
	I put forward theories.
	Theories don't always play out.
	Reality is a tough mistress.
	And it just doesn't always work out the way you think it's going to.
	But we also know that there's two other, the big three facilities, Natans, Fordo, and Isfahan.
	Natans have been struck by the Israelis.
	This is a shallower underground facility.
	And nobody believed that it could withstand big bunker busters.
	This is where the older centrifuges were kept.
	And it appears that significant damage has been done to the Natanz facility.
	And if the president wants to take credit for applying two bombs on top of the numerous bombs that Israel dropped on it, say obliteration, so be it.
	But one of the most critical facilities in all of Iran is the Isfahan facilities, the Nuclear Research Institutes and such.
	These are located very far underground, so far that Trump didn't even try to hit them with the bunker busters because they just would have bounced off.
	This is where the uranium conversion takes place.
	This is where you make metal, convert the feedstock once it's rich to a level that you want.
	Let's say if it's a weapon over 90%, you turn it into a metal.
	These weren't touched at all.
	Trump fired 34 cruise missiles against surface targets, but the critical infrastructure deep inside wasn't touched, wasn't impacted.
	Nobody even tried because you can't get to it.
	No, I think that Scott Ritter is completely right in his assessment, which is among the reason BB is coming to town again.
	Joe, if he has the opportunity to nuke Iran, whether it's done by the U.S., which would be a travesty, or by Israel, what would be the effect?
	Well, bottom line is...
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	Okay, very good.
	Well, we'll resume.
	We'll go back to the beginning.
	Sorry about that, Sports fans.
	We're going to reconstruct.
	This is Jip Pletzer, your host on The Raw Deal, right here in Revolution Radio Studio B, the 7th day of July, 2025.
	I'm joined today by my co-host, Joe Olson.
	We're going to talk about some of the key issues and developments.
	He may not be Santa Claus, but Benjamin Netne, who's coming to town again, we have a report from Global Research.
	Benjamin Netney is on his way for a third visit to Washington during the first six months of the second term of President Donald Trump.
	Maybe requested the visit because he clearly wants something he never likes to hear anyone tell him no.
	The American Jewish community and the state of Israel working together are already mustering their substantial resources to give the prime minister anything he wants, whatever that might be, if necessary.
	The so-called Israeli lobby, which controls many aspects of what is referred to colloquially as the United States government, has a unique ability to lay down a serious guilt trip on anyone who tries to interfere with their prerogatives.
	Their ability to persuade is frequently based on repeated invocations of a semi-mythical event called the Holocaust, which has been it will continue to be a burden on all the rest of humanity forever.
	Additionally, we believe, and again, global research is reporting, will BBS Trump to new Kevin?
	Ritter says yes.
	You can usually tell which side won a war by simply observing what happens after the hostilities end.
	Following the announcement of a ceasefire between Iran and Israel, millions of Iranians poured into the streets of Tehran, chanting patriotic songs and waving flags in a spontaneous display of jubilation.
	In contrast, there were no festivities or celebration in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, where the mood was noticeably more somber and gloomy.
	What this indicates is that most people believe Iran won the war.
	We're not ignoring the fact that Iran's threshold for success in the conflict was much lower than that of Israel.
	As the aggressor, Israel needed to achieve its strategic goals to claim victory, which included iruminating all the enrichment plants, the three that were designated, but also to bring about a surrender by Iran, which ain't going to happen.
	It's not in the cards ever.
	No matter how much the United States may bubble Iran, Iran will not surrender to claim victory.
	Well, Iran only needed to withstand the assault, which it managed to accomplish with great ease.
	Regardless of whether this benchmark is equitable, the result is evident.
	For 12 days, Iran held its own, matching Israel's aggression blow for blow, eventually forcing Israel to seek a ceasefire.
	In short, Iran won.
	Here's Press TV reverting U.S. gave Israel hundreds of laser-guided missiles, knowing they would be used against Iran, which I find repulsive in the extreme.
	Meanwhile, Judge Napolitano features Scott Britter to talk about this situation.
	Bartaromo.
	The bombs that he dropped two Saturday nights ago totally obliterated Iran's nuclear facilities.
	His Secretary of Defense has repeated that mantra.
	Is there any evidentiary basis to make these claims?
	There's circumstantial evidence, meaning that, you know, according to Pete Hegseth on the Ford facility, it's been studied now over the course of many years by two DARPA scientists who have postulated a theoretical scenario involving ventilation shafts and the precision application of GBU-57 bombs that could hypothetically produce a result that
	in theory could have caused collapse or thermal destruction of centrifuges contained inside the Fordo facility.
	So the B-2s dropped the requisite number of bombs.
	Photographic imagery shows the bombs landed approximately where they're supposed to.
	I mean, according to the president, MPKASET, the size of a refrigerator door.
	I haven't seen the evidence to sustain that.
	But the point is he doesn't know because they have no way of knowing what happened inside.
	There's theories about what could have happened, vibrations, collapse, heat, but they simply don't know.
	What we do know is that the Iranians are in the process of excavating into the facility.
	Remember, they filled up the tunnels before the strike.
	And so they're in the process of gaining access.
	And whether or not they choose to share what they find with us is their business.
	But what we do know also is that the president simply doesn't know, has no idea, no way of knowing.
	He is acting on a theory that was put forward by two scientists.
	I've dealt with a lot of people put forward theories.
	I put forward theories.
	Theories don't always play out.
	Reality is a tough mistress.
	And it just doesn't always work out the way you think it's going to.
	But we also know that there's two other, the big three facilities, Natans, Fordot, and Isfahan.
	Natans have been struck by the Israelis.
	This is a shallower underground facility.
	And nobody believed that it could withstand big bunker busters.
	This is where the older centrifuges were kept.
	And it appears that significant damage has been done to the Natanz facility.
	And if the president wants to take credit for applying two bombs on top of the numerous bombs that Israel dropped on it, say obliteration, so be it.
	One of the most critical facilities in all of Iran is the Isfahan facilities, the nuclear research institutes, and such.
	These are located very far underground, so far that Trump didn't even try to hit them with the bunker busters because they just would have bounced off.
	This is where the uranium conversion takes place.
	This is where you make metal, convert the feedstock once it's enriched to a level that you want.
	Let's say if it's a weapon over 90%, you turn it into a metal.
	These weren't touched at all.
	Trump fired 34 cruise missiles against surface targets, but the critical infrastructure deep inside wasn't touched, wasn't impacted.
	Nobody even tried because you can't get to it.
	So now we take this critical conversion facility with the ability to make the metal, and we note the following.
	400 kilograms of uranium hexafluoride enriched to 60% is missing and nobody knows where it is.
	The Iranians said they secured it and it wasn't impacted by the strikes.
	And there's no reason to contradict that.
	We know that since January, February 2021, Iran has been producing centrifuges that are no longer accounted for by the International Atomic Energies because Donald Trump withdrew from the JCPOA, in which accounting for centrifuges was one of the critical aspects of monitoring.
	And because we withdrew and because we encouraged the European nations not to engage in the required economic interaction that the agreement said, the Iranians followed through with what the agreement allows.
	If one or more parties are not abiding by what the JCPOA says, then the other parties are not held to their commitments.
	And so Iran said, we're no longer bound by this, and they began to withdraw.
	In 2021, they stopped letting people count for the centrifuges.
	You could build a lot of centrifuges in four years.
	Iran has over a dozen buried sites around Iran, similar to Ford, that easily could be converted.
	In fact, they were in the process of declaring a third uranium conversion facility when the bombing took place.
	My point is, there's nothing stopping the Iranians from building advanced centrifuge cascades in other locations now undeclared because they don't trust the IA, because the IA spied on Iran on behalf of Israel and the United States, providing critical information.
	It was used to destroy facilities and assassinate scientists.
	We don't know where the centrifuges are.
	They can easily build it.
	We don't know where the already enriched material is.
	And let's say the Iranians did enrich it up to over 90%.
	The facility that converts it into metal, they can be used into weapon, is 100 meters underground, untouched.
	So Donald Trump doesn't know what he's talking about, or he does, and he's simply lying to the American people and bluster.
	But there's no professional in the world that would say that Iran's nuclear program has been totally destroyed.
	The evidence, in fact, directly contradicts that assertion.
	This guy is so damn good.
	Joe, I want to get your opinions on multiple counts here.
	I mean, Iran is chewed.
	There's actually a fatwa against developing nuclear weapons.
	They weren't developing nukes.
	They willingly entered into the joint comprehensive plan of action.
	They were adhering to the joint comprehensive plan of action.
	Then in 2018, Trump pulled out of the joint comprehensive plan of action to which Iran was adhering, which ensured that they were not developing nuclear weapons they don't want and don't need.
	And now he's, of course, participated based upon absolutely fabricated claims that Iran is, after all, developing nuclear weapons.
	Pucker has just interviewed the President of Iran, who's reaffirmed that Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons as in one nuclear weapons.
	Frankly, even Colsey Gambert declared as our Director of National Intelligence to Congress that the intelligence community consensus was Iran wasn't pursuing nukes.
	So how can it be that the American people are being played for suckers and sent by Donald Trump and Bibi Netanyahu?
	And if Bibi now asked America to nuke Iran, it would turn out once again America is the only nation that's ever used nuclear weapons, at least formally acknowledged, because we have evidence tactical nukes have been used in Iraq, tactical nukes have been used in Lebanon, tactical nukes I believe have even been used in Gaza.
	Joe, your thoughts?
	What the hell?
	Tactical nukes were used in New York City.
	Excuse me.
	In New York City on four buildings on 911.
	I can sit for 15 minutes without coughing at all.
	And as soon as I start talking, my throat just acts.
	A week prior to the Friday the 13th sneak attack by Nutty Yahoo, the IRGC announced that they had hacked Mossad's blackmail files, which includes all the Epstein bullshit.
	And that's one of the reasons why Nutty Yahoo started to panic, because once he loses his blackmail leverage and bribe leverage on all of the members of Congress and the media and certainly the president, then he's in an extremely perilous position.
	And at this point, Trump is under an APAC coma inside an APAC echo chamber, and he has no clue what the hell he's doing.
	Joe, I want you to take a break.
	I want you to get well, my friend.
	It's obviously very stressful.
	I think you're wonderful, but I want you to take a break.
	As soon as we hit the break, Joe, I want you to take care of yourself.
	But just add a final thought.
	If America nukes Iran, what then are the consequences as you see them?
	It looks like the nuclear cloud's going to drift to the east.
	So that will go over Pakistan, who has nuclear weapons and has threatened to hit Israel.
	And it will also drift across China.
	And so bottom line is We will have no friends in the world when we decide to do something that irresponsible.
	And Trump is edgy enough that he could possibly do that.
	And let me try to stay on for another hour because some.
	I have Nick Kohlerstrom coming up.
	We're going to talk about 7-7.
	Joe, I don't want to use you.
	Take it easy, my friend.
	Thank you for joining.
	We'll be right back with my special guest, Nick Kohlerstrom.
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	Thank you.
	Well, Joe is clearly under the weather.
	And I'm very happy to say now I've just been joined by Nicole Erstrom, who's an historian of science from the UK, rather celebrated for his work on astronomy, the history of science, a host of other issues.
	He's also an expert on false flag attacks.
	He has a book on false flag conspiracies in Europe where he addresses over a dozen, a baker's dozen.
	He's an expert on so many different issues.
	I'm a huge fan of Nick Pullerson, whom I regard as perhaps the most honorable man I've ever known.
	Nick, welcome to the raw deal, my friend.
	Welcome.
	Hi, Jim.
	Can you hear me?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Can indeed, my friend.
	Excuse these earphones.
	I've got a bit wonky.
	They look great, Nick.
	They look great.
	Okay, now.
	You, of course, have turned out to be the leading expert on the London 77 somebody bombing attacks.
	That's very strange, Jim.
	How did I get in that position?
	I was in the London 9-11, the 9-11 Truth Group in this country, okay?
	And we love talking about the event when it happens.
	And I live fairly, like a lot of Londoners, I live fairly near where the bombs went off.
	And then I started going to the J7 Truth Group, you know, the 7th Truth Group.
	And so I was sort of in between both of these groups.
	And I quite like telling stories.
	I pulled the story together.
	This book we're looking at, I told the whole story.
	First edition, I didn't quite get it right.
	I hadn't quite understood that on the morning, four lads from Leeds, or the three of them really had gone up to London and the conditions under which they went up.
	So the second edition of the book, I think I got basically the right story.
	But I mean, I don't think I was original in what I've told here.
	I've just pulled together what a whole lot of people in these two different groups were saying, you know.
	And I seemed to become a kind of spokesperson.
	And yeah, Take it from there.
	I'm a bit puzzled that I'm very puzzled indeed that I'm the only person who's written a book about properly describing what happened on that morning.
	Mud Dib, of course, had his video 7-7-Rebel effect that I thought was quite brilliant.
	Where in a single hour he took it from the Peter Power drill to the execution as a live van.
	I thought that was quite sensational, Dick.
	I agree, yeah.
	I totally agree, yeah.
	Unfortunately, he had peculiar religious ideas about himself, which rather spoiled his image.
	But the ripple effect was brilliant.
	It was awesome.
	That single DVD, it went everywhere, and it was obviously the best, you know, the best DVD on the subject, and it was totally accessible.
	And it was the first real statement that got the right answer up.
	What happened to those lads?
	They came down from Luton, from Leeds, train at Luton to King's Cross.
	And what happened to them then?
	Why couldn't the government show any CCTV?
	They kept saying they could.
	And he took my discovery about the delay.
	All trains were delayed.
	That was the big mistake that I discovered, co-discovered, which propelled me into the sort of heart of the story.
	That the trains of those lads coming down from up north were delayed.
	And so they couldn't have been there in time for their own, as it were, suicides, you know.
	When the bombs went off, they weren't quite there yet.
	And Mulligan put that into it.
	Just to back up one step.
	These young lads who were Islamic, I don't know, were they telling me more about their ethnicity?
	They appear to have been recruited to participate in a drill.
	That was their understanding, but unbeknownst to them, they were going to be used as patsies for real explosions that would be blamed on them.
	Absolutely, Jim.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And once they arrived at Kings Cross and they were a bit late and they saw all the panic swirling around them, it slowly started to dawn on them the terrible truth of what they were being recruited for, you know.
	Anyway, Jim, I just made a comment about your years of work.
	You did some really good interviews with Murzib, and I would like to hope that you'd have a terminal archive of all your interviews so anyone could check up your Murzib, for example, your Murdzib interview, which I hope won't just get lost in the sounds of time.
	I think 20 years on now, let's try to make things so that students can get the truth of these things.
	And your interview with Murdib would be a really good archive to have.
	Yes, yes, Nick.
	I'll seek to get it back out and republish it.
	I think that's a great idea, Nick.
	Great idea.
	Well, I actually think all of your discussions, the Kennedy assassination, all the research should be fully archived and available for researchers.
	Anyway, Jim, sorry, I'm digressing.
	No, I appreciate it, Nick.
	I appreciate it more than you know.
	That was very kind of you.
	So what was it you felt you got wrong in the first edition that you straightened out in the second?
	Oh, right.
	Well, the general viewer of us, us lot in the 9-11 truth group was doubting whether those lads had got to London because there were no pictures of them in London.
	Nobody had any picture to show of those three or four lads from Leeds being in London on that morning.
	So the general view, we didn't know what happened to them, but was that they weren't there.
	You know, they obviously weren't there when the bombs went off.
	But what we hadn't realised was that, yes, there actually were.
	I can give you two good reasons why they weren't there.
	Perhaps we'll come to that in a minute.
	Oh, sorry, why they couldn't show the CCTV.
	But Murtib intuited, what he got with his intuition was the fact these lads turned up at King's Cross late.
	Then what did they do?
	They bolted back to where they just came from, the train station.
	They got on the train and they ended up at Canary Wharf.
	That's a big modern complex in East London.
	And there they were shot.
	There are reports of two or three terrorists being shot that morning.
	And Mudzib's intuition told him that that was actually where those lads from Leeds met their fate.
	Nick, my impression is they went to Canary Moor because Reuters and maybe so forth have their newspapers, the leading international reporters would be there for them to share what had happened with them.
	That's a very good conjecture, Jim.
	Yeah, that's what people have wondered.
	I think it would have been partly that, partly that it was just quite easy to get to.
	They just net back onto the train they just got off from, the overground.
	But whatever happened, Mudzib put us on the right path, that those lads did meet their fate at Canary Wharf, shot dead.
	And immediately after that, the government started going with the story of the terrorists who had been found and so on.
	How often do Bobbies shoot people dead?
	In the past, my impression would have been Bobbies didn't even carry firearms, Nick.
	So this struck me as very extraordinary.
	Yeah, these, unfortunately, the police weren't allowed to say it wasn't us.
	We don't do that stuff.
	It would have been secret SRR come to a secret sort of deep cover military units that did this, that set up the 7-7 event and were then put to shoot down those lads at Canary Wharf.
	And then there's Gene de Manes a week or so later, who they also shot down.
	And I think the police would have dearly liked to say, look, don't look at us.
	We really don't shoot people like that.
	But they weren't allowed to.
	Do you think it was their Satscops who shot him, or was it actual Bobby?
	I mean, it sounds like this was a special assignment to silence them, so they could not tell their story.
	Exactly, yeah, special assignment.
	And there were a whole lot of witnesses around there and news sources outside this country.
	The very first news sources that morning, 11 o'clock, reported the event of shooting, and it quickly got hushed up and blocked.
	And there was one philosophy professor guy who did a survey of the world's media on that day, and he found that in various other countries they had reported this event, a terrorist shooting, on the morning of July the 7th that got totally wiped out from British media.
	And when I put an article up on my website about it, I got a ton of responses.
	People talking about either they had been there and seen it or they had read the evidence for it having happened.
	So it was a totally real event, yeah.
	Well, let's take a look at your slides, my friend.
	Right, okay, let's.
	Yeah, 21st century false flag terror.
	Yours.
	This is the dreadful beginning of our new century.
	I mean, fabricated terror has happened before.
	It's the core concept that you create an event, the terror event, the people that do it are hidden and disguised, and you project the blame onto an innocent third party.
	That's the difficult bit, right?
	And how does that projection work?
	Well, here is the terrific sequence.
	They wanted a new enemy.
	They needed Islamic enemy for all the wars they wanted to fight.
	The basic core principle of the empire is, what is our oil doing under your sand, you know?
	And they need, they don't want just to do trade with these nations.
	They want to take the resources from Islamic nations.
	And we've had, therefore, this big sequence in which Muslims get blamed.
	Now, I would argue with all of these, we're looking at six here.
	None of them were done by Muslims.
	Okay.
	Obviously, the big transcendental event of 9-11 in New York.
	And then you add on one, as it were.
	9-11, you get 10-12, a year later in Bali, and you get a mini-neut going off.
	Nick, nick, nick.
	Let's stop and talk about 9-11 ever so briefly.
	Well, it was blamed on 19 Islamic terrorists under control of Osama bin Laden in a cave off in Afghanistan.
	It was absurd on his face.
	This is a very sophisticated operation.
	Palestinians would have been ill-equipped, ill-prepared, incapable of carrying it out.
	Obviously, they were the Patsys.
	Yeah.
	In an Israeli op, I identify Ewud Ulmert and Benjamin Nett, who is a brain trust behind it.
	By the Zionists at the Board of Authority of New York, who transferred the property to Larry Silverstein, who is a personal friend of Bibi Nett, with whom we spoke at the time.
	Totally, yeah.
	Totally create a pretext to draw American forces into the Middle East and take out the modern Arab state that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Haran.
	Yeah, and we had the announcement of seven Islamic nations going to be taken out in five years.
	Yeah.
	That was never questioned.
	Why is that parallel to the book of Deuteronomy of seven powerful nations who God is going to do in?
	And we're at the last of these now, Iran, the last of the list of seven, you know.
	So something totally anti-human is going on.
	Let me point out all of this is using the United States military to do their dirty work for Israel.
	That's what's going on again and again and again.
	Right.
	Well, now you mentioned that, Jim, my book, Terror on the Tube, I very much underestimated.
	I was very cautious about saying any Israeli Jewish influence.
	I think partly because our group was paranoid about being accused of anti-Semitism, you know.
	But I did the Chronicles of False Flag Terror that you published, and that's got a chapter on 7-7 which goes more into the Israeli Mossad angle on it.
	It is very powerful evidence that Israel was the only country that knew it was going to happen, that more or less indicated it was going to happen, that had foreknowledge of the events, that had its security agents working underground, Benjamin and Nathaniel right there, more or less listening to the bang.
	And it was the bus, Tavistock Square, went off just where the Jewish Congress was located in that same square.
	The whole thing was, I think, configured with an Israeli angle on the matter.
	Very good.
	I'm fascinated to hear that.
	I'm utterly not surprised.
	Well, no, I think we need open discussion.
	When it's a demand, university courses on state fabricated terror, students would love it.
	Students want to hear this.
	Students know that this is how modern politics work.
	And can we please, the professors don't have to agree with me.
	They have to allow students to discuss the matter.
	And students are allowed to reach their own viewpoint on who is doing it and not just get scoffed at as conspiracy theorists, which is, you know, we've really had enough of that.
	This thing is happening.
	It's going on.
	And let me just add that this stupendous sequence of fabricated terror events, which blames Muslims, culminated in 2017 with a big Manchester Arena event.
	We'll come up to that, Nick.
	Come on, let me just say these initial ones, you've got real deaths, real blood and horror in these events you're looking at here.
	Okay.
	And then a few years later, around 2012, the perps, the perpetrators or the empire realizes: hey, look, this is rather stressful.
	It's much cheaper to have actors and dumbers and fake blood.
	And so you get the transition that all conspiracy theorists need to understand this great transition.
	So when we got the last of these Islamic terror events in Manchester, the Manchester reinvent, which our colleague Richard D. Hall is being prosecuted for at the moment because he told the people the truth about it, that was, nobody was really hurt at that event.
	It was totally fake.
	I mean, belly bombing, Nick, when I read the description of the bombing in the New York Times, which at the time was a relatively reliable source of news, unlike the propaganda organisms we come as a Zionist outland, the belly bombing was clearly a mini nuke.
	I just couldn't believe it.
	It was so powerful.
	Yeah, yeah, it was.
	You're absolutely right, Jim, a plutonium, mini-plutonium bomb.
	And they let the water flow from the blast scene to try and wash it into the sea, to try and get rid of the radioactive contamination.
	And there was one journalist who suspected this, and he was trying to collect samples, and he got quickly ushered out of the country.
	And they just put the story that it was, or was it ammonium nitrate bomb by this terrorist?
	But as you rightly say, people were vaporized.
	People disappear, vaporized, and a lot of buildings turn into bits of tangled steel.
	Oh, yeah, sure.
	A fertilizer bomb, right?
	Tell us about Istanbul, Madrid, London, Mumbai.
	Well, Istanbul was a very relatively small event, but what I noticed that Bush and Blair were meeting in London just on that day.
	And it's important to appreciate that deadly duo, Bush and Blair meeting together, they were ratifying the war on terror.
	And Bush was so unpopular that he literally could not go in the streets anyway in London.
	Okay.
	And so that event, if somebody rescued him, the headlines were all, instead of saying everyone hates George Bush, the headlines were, oh yeah, Bush and Blair stand tall against terror.
	Resolutely fight against terror and so forth.
	Okay, Madrid was very much paralleling the line of bombing.
	It had four trains blown up and it was in the morning, these things, what was it, quarter to nine, 11 minutes to nine, nine, eleven.
	These things happen in the morning.
	Public intelligence have to happen in the morning in order to get newspaper coverage, right?
	That later that day.
	They have to be, morning event lasted about an hour to get proper media coverage.
	And it was kind of slightly, well, I could say farcical, but the point is that real bombers went off and people really died.
	But the process of trying to blame these Muslims was obviously, quite obviously fabricated.
	And it was quite the problem the pops have is that you need high-powered explosives to make the thing happen, but the clueless Muslims you arrest don't know how to make the explosives or have any way of getting them.
	So that's sort of a complication in the narrative, you know.
	And of course, we have the 7-7 London subway bombing we're discussing today, then Mumbai.
	I don't know much about the Mumbai events, but no, I'm not really competent, but it's about the military obviously taking over from a more civilian government and telling people they've got to join the fight against terror and so forth.
	Emphasizes the role of NATO behind these events.
	Right.
	Well, right through the last quarter of the 20th century, Gladio, NATO's hidden, as it were, terrorist armies called Gladio.
	And this was because the people of Europe didn't have sufficient fear of communism, right?
	NATO wanted to have a presence throughout Europe, and it couldn't really do that if the people of Europe weren't frightened of communism enough.
	And the Italians were actually electing communists into the government.
	And this was quite a danger, perceived as a danger by NATO.
	So Glazio was set up terror events in an appalling way.
	They sort of shoot up people in the supermarket or whatever, or blow up things, set up bombs, and then they would blame the left-wing groups or communists or whatever.
	And NATO would claim that it was protecting Europe from these.
	This is why we needed cruise missiles and so on.
	So think of this as a progenitor to what we have in this century.
	But it's fabricated terror, but it's got a different enemy.
	For Glazio, the enemy in the last century enemy was communism, right?
	Okay, next.
	Oh, okay.
	Now, that's a Gladio event, Bologna Railway Station, 1980 that was set up.
	Let's say that's one of the last in which communists were blamed.
	Now, we've got some more recent ones since those.
	They were trying to create the new enemy image of Muslims.
	They were demonstrating that Muslims were doing these things.
	War and Trade Centre 1993, that they, I think they did successfully try and blame a Muslim fellow.
	1995, Oklahoma City, that's a good example of a failed false flag terror event.
	Daddy Bush assembled a whole lot of Muslims to hang about and try and receive the blame, but didn't work, did it?
	There was who was the guy who took the blame?
	Timothy McVeigh, yeah.
	He claimed he'd done it with a truck bomb, which was first large explosion, which obviously couldn't have done the damage it does.
	It's impossible to bring about those effects with that device.
	It's just yeah, right.
	And then London, this is Israel had quite a constructive role here, or perhaps destructive, blowing up its own embassy.
	It blew up its own embassy both in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and in London, 1992 and 94, and blamed on Palestinians, even though they weren't actually present.
	Buenos Aires twice and done an interview about blowing up their own embassy.
	I mean, they actually had two of these events because the first one wasn't dramatic enough, and it was all totally staged.
	They claimed it was a car bomb, but there's no evidence of any car.
	So they claimed, well, it was so powerful it blew the car into the ground.
	So they brought in, guess what?
	An Israeli team who did an excavation, they found only one car part with a VIN number.
	I mean, this was so artificial, it was laughable.
	And you did a really good interview with somebody from Argentina, didn't you?
	Yeah, yeah, sensational.
	Yeah, really good interview.
	And I'll say it, just to reiterate, I do think it's very hard to get any proper decent material about this, apart from the usual crap official story.
	I do hope that that interview you did will be accessed and retrievable so that anybody who wants to reference in your corpus of your work to look at this 94 event, Israel bombing its own embassy and 92, can just access it because that interview you did was really important.
	Thank you.
	I was fortunate.
	Meanwhile, the Phantom Enemy, 1999.
	Right, well.
	Star Wars.
	Go for it, Nick.
	Well, what is totally essential for governing America is the concept of the enemy.
	You just can't hope to govern America without telling people who the enemy is, who you're supposed to hang and fear.
	And through the 90s, they were trying to just state a new enemy, demonized enemy.
	They're trying to say, oh, no, it's the Muslims, because communism died in 1990.
	Okay, that was the end of the empire.
	Dissolution of the Soviet Union, they needed a new enemy.
	Very good, Nick.
	New enemy, right?
	So they were trying, those events we just looked at, they were trying to bring up this new Islamic enemy, which nobody had a clue before 9-11 that Muslims were going to be the new enemy.
	I don't think they did.
	And I think this great American artist, George Lucas, now, was creating this series.
	And I recommend the first three ones, episode one, episode two, episode three, to show, mirroring it in artistic form, what was happening.
	This is just over the period of 9-11.
	These first three Star Wars movies were made.
	And it's about a hidden force called the hidden force which takes over, threatens to destroy democracy.
	It's a hidden power that wants to take total control of the world.
	And I think the concept of the phantom menace is very important and valuable because all of these and all these events we'll be looking at have got a phantom menace or have projected or imaged a phantom menace that it talks about an evil threat that doesn't actually exist and isn't there.
	Yes.
	And of course, the first star was episode four.
	So we did four, five, six, then came back to do one, two, three to lay the political groundwork.
	Nick, I'm delighted to have you here.
	We got a break.
	We'll be right back with Nick Hollerstrom from the UK.
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	now we return you to your host Nick, you've been making such a powerful point about the need for a new enemy with the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1990-91.
	Communism would no longer work.
	It wouldn't fit the bill.
	So they shifted to Islam.
	Absolutely fascinating, Nick.
	Absolutely fascinating.
	And they had to, of course, engineer, orchestrate these various phony events, contrived events, and blame them on Muslims in order to bring the point home to the American people and the world at large.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think that generally, after 9-11, suddenly, within 24 hours, you were given these 19 hijackers, Islamic hijackers.
	And so quite suddenly, we had the Islamic terror image and it's been going all that.
	And it abruptly ended in 2017.
	Suddenly, we get a new enemy.
	Oh, it's Russia.
	Oh, big bad Russia.
	At least, I'm talking about Europe.
	I don't know how you express it, but suddenly in Europe, we've got big bad Russia, which is very unconvincing.
	People in this country don't fear or hate Russians at all.
	We don't want a war against Russia.
	And it seems incredibly pointless to ordinary people.
	But suddenly, Islamic terror is finished, is gone, more or less completely gone.
	And you get crappy narratives about the terror from Russia, you know, which I won't go into.
	But anyway.
	Do-it-yourself, fake terror tellers.
	Right.
	Well, you can hire all sorts of, you know, rubber dummies of injured people, or you can get wounds that you terrifying wounds that you can paint on, you know.
	So crisis actors can, you can easily get, you know, fake blood and stuff from to add realism, add realism.
	And also you can get actors who are trying to bring realism into your event.
	And the event, the philosophy of these events is that because terror is likely to strike your business at some point, you might as well prepare for it.
	And so you do a big rehearsal.
	And the bottom line is, or say the secret, the secret event is that the preparation and training turns into the event itself.
	So there's the famous 9-11 comment about, you know, is this a drill or this is not a drill, that the drill morphs into the event itself.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Okay.
	Now, these are likely to be the people who did it, or at least the British branch of whoever did it.
	The SRR Special Reconnaissance Regiment is an element within the British Army from Ireland, Special Forces, deep cover.
	And I mean, the people who actually plant the bombs in the trains or underneath the trains on that morning of 7-7, who helped whatever made the bus blow up, they're likely to have been these people.
	I mean, I think there might have been some more exotic technology and Israeli agents would very likely have been used, but these guys are heavily suspected.
	Yeah.
	Obviously, they have to remain unseen and visible because the blame is going to be given to the poor Muslims.
	Right.
	So these two are meeting at the summit in Scotland for a big GA summit and everybody has all the world has hopes.
	It was about forgiving the debt of Africa, wasn't it?
	They've been a terrific music concert and there were hopes that the GA would forgive the debt of Africa and have some, you know, turn a new page in a bring of debt forgiveness.
	And instead, the bomb goes off, the bombs go off in London, synchronizing with these two being together.
	And as I mentioned a couple of years earlier, that happened at the previous time those two were together.
	Bombs went off in Turkey.
	So these two meetings, shaking hands, seemed to have an effect of terror striking.
	So Tony Blair immediately comes down to London and he says that same day, what were the words he used?
	We know that this is an Islamic event, something like that.
	We know that Muslims did it.
	He said that the very same day, and that's very comparable.
	We should compare that to in America with 9-11 when people started giving the name of Osama bin Laden, you know, practically as soon as the towers had fallen.
	News media were murmuring his name.
	So when trauma strikes, that's the philosophy, trauma strikes, then you put the new concept into people's minds when it opened with trauma, you know.
	So that's what Tony Blow was doing, giving people the story, the image of Muslims having done it before a police had the faintest clue of who had done it or even what happened.
	And it's so bizarre, Nick, because, I mean, of the three Abrahamic religion, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Islam seems to be the most encompassing because they regard Muhammad as a prophet, yes, but they also regard Jesus as a prophet.
	They regard Moses as a prophet, Abraham as a prophet.
	They are the most encompassing.
	I don't see them as, you know, how to carry out crusades.
	And I mean, we have had holy wars, of course, but I mean, they seem unlikely.
	Whereas the Jews, Judaism, it's a principle to destroy the Goyam.
	I mean, they're killing Christians.
	You had this.
	Yeah, I think historically, there's no question that international terrorism and terrorism as a national policy has practiced and originated by Israel ever since it was set up as quite manifest accepted policy that it's the way to get things done.
	And obviously, its motto, by way of deception, shall you make war?
	It always uses deception officially.
	So as you say, there's no question about this.
	And I don't think Muslims do this kind of tricky thing.
	I mean, occasionally they have wars, like there was an Iran-Iraq war.
	But that's not at all the same, is it?
	So I don't see the thread of deception in what they do.
	The celebrated rabbi Isaac Schneerson was suggested to be the Messiach, you know, a turn of the Jewish God incarnate.
	He denied.
	No, he said it can't be the Messiach because there are still Christians alive on earth.
	Isn't that astounding, Nick?
	They take joy.
	And now, of course, we got a guy who is ISIS, Al-Qaeda, but actually turns out to be Mossad running Syria.
	And they're beheading all the Christians they can get their hands on, Nick.
	It's gross.
	Why would Christian nations have given the Holy Land to the one people on earth who hate Jesus Christ?
	I mean, it is quite hard to comprehend.
	In fact, the answer lies in your country.
	You've got this bizarre aberration of Christian Zionism that believes that somehow some divine plan will be fulfilled if you let these people take over the money that's actually a form of schizophrenia from a psychiatric point of view, Nick.
	Anyway, let's come back to the subject.
	I think we're deviating a bit, Jim.
	Oh, yeah, it's so important to get the big picture, Nick, because the transition from communism to Islam, I mean, that's being fostered by a Zionist-oriented, powerful group that wants to bring about war between Christians and Muslims.
	It seemed to me that would be their ultimate preference.
	Yeah, yeah, I think so.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So this absolutely mad concept of a war on terror is created for this new century.
	I mean, it's quite obvious that these people are creating terror.
	The British Air Force creates terror.
	Whenever it bombs another dark Muslim nation, which it does quite frequently, I mean, these are the source of the terrors.
	And beginning of the century, just before the Fight 7-7 event, there was terrific rage on the streets against the way Tony Blair had led us into this war in Iraq with a complete pack of lies, absolute pack of lies, to get people, to get British Army to invade Iraq.
	So I think this is very much a process of managing opinions, creating these events, which are then used in newspaper headlines.
	This is to do with the management of public opinion.
	So that when they have an agenda they want to promote, they create or stage these events in order to justify the actions they already decided to take.
	Yeah, basically, right.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay, so the terrible thing happens, and it's important to appreciate that it really was terrible.
	Something really did go off.
	I'm not sure what in the trains.
	I don't think it was a bomb.
	You had something that lifted up the coaches, especially Edgar Road Coach, of the four trains that blew up, lifted it up off the rails.
	And you had holes in the floor.
	Edgwood Road Coach had three separate holes in the floor.
	And the metal floor was bent upwards, you could see.
	So it's as if something underneath the coach blew up.
	And in my opinion, the windows blew inwards, not outwards.
	So I think we should, fortunately, the whole narrative was bombs going off inside the coaches, but I think we should have listened a bit more to the testimony of people in the coaches and a bit more strange what they report.
	They reported some terrific electrical currents or a yellow glow before they went unconscious.
	And there was no bang where you could see the victims around a centre where the bomb went off.
	So a narrative of a bomb going off was imposed on these coaches.
	Let me just underscore your point.
	That if the lads who had backpacks, which were supposed to be loaded with explosives, had set them off, then the holes would have been blown downward.
	The metal would have been exposed downward.
	Instead, it was exposed upward because the explosives were underneath, not inside of the carriages, the subway cars.
	Totally, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, nobody's, no, I don't think any witnesses really saw those lads, but they had to be imagined because the delay, that is London, they had to be imagined as being on the train.
	The point is that the most basic physical evidence contradicts the official account.
	Yeah, and let's please note, and who's less pleased to remember that these coaches could never be seen by journalists.
	There were three coaches or three different lines, underground lines that blew up.
	And we've got harrowing accounts, dreadful accounts of people in the dark struggling to come out of these coaches and find their way along the platform, you know.
	But no journalist was allowed to see those coaches.
	Even finding out where they were was quite difficult.
	They were taken to a special army place for a year and then they were dismantled.
	So the main evidence for the crime, which is blown up coaches, was kept secret.
	Nobody was allowed to see them.
	And the pictures you're allowed to show is extremely limited.
	It is one picture here.
	So that was extremely fishy behavior.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, if one wanted a global argument for this having been a fraudulent event, they've concealed all the evidence.
	No problem having been legitimate.
	And the fact they concealed it is because it was proof that it was not.
	No, no, right.
	Okay.
	Now, here's 52 people supposed to have died.
	I can't swear that they all died.
	In fact, I think one or two of them, I investigate one or two of them who didn't die.
	But generally, these seem to have been real deaths as far as I can tell.
	You know, Nick, in Las Vegas, which was supposed to have been the biggest mass shooting in American history, they put up these bios and photographs.
	And I had a very, very good student, Monelaxis Presley, tracked down and found to the extent to which they weren't merely Photoshop variations, in other words, the same person appearing more than once.
	There are these persons who died in different states or on different dates or from different causes of death.
	They were all fabricated.
	I just similar here in the UK.
	Well, let's bear in mind this was rush hour and it were real trains.
	And so if the coach broke up, there have to have been people there.
	And in the inquest, they gave you a detail of the coaches where each person was sitting.
	Yeah, so with the bus, I'm not sure.
	I only saw about two dead bodies around the bus.
	I don't think many people, the bus that blew up in Devisett Square, I don't think there are more than there were supposed to be 13, I think.
	And of course on 9-11, even though it was an orchestrated event, real people did die.
	So here we have an orchestrated event in London.
	Real people did die.
	I'm agreeing with you, Nick, about this point here.
	Yeah, some weird, we get weird conspiracy theorists that say, oh, no, they didn't really.
	And that discredits the whole thing.
	You know, I think this, the initial impact of fabricated terror, to get the gravity and seriousness, they needed these real deaths.
	After they'd got these real deaths, they could then go and fake events.
	For example, the next day there was a big Heathrow liquid bomb hoax.
	They could arrest some Muslims for something that might possibly have happened on the airplanes, might possibly have been intending to make bombs.
	And of course, nothing happened.
	We can get away with that because of this event the year before.
	So that's Phantom Terror.
	Okay, here's a rather strange memorial which the government put up.
	I mean, I guess 52 of them, 52 posts, guess they've got people's names on them.
	I think they want something cheap that wasn't going to be expensive.
	I mean, this is pretty feeble, Nick, if you ask me.
	Well, it's kind of strangely pointless.
	You don't know what it's supposed to be.
	But anyway, there you go.
	Okay.
	Here's a map showing the Four places where the explosions happened in central London.
	You can see the one called Tavistock Square.
	That's where a bus blew up, number 30 bus, and the others are underground.
	I don't know if you can see at the bottom, it's got a timeline.
	The three bombs explode at 8.50.
	That is actually 8.49.
	Now, it's terribly important and notice that they were synchronized.
	Okay.
	Now, synchronized of three bombs going off, that rules out suicide bombers, right?
	you cannot have three separate suicide bombers on separate trains blowing themselves up at the same minute.
	So also you Yeah, also, it's obviously an echo of 9-11.
	It's exactly 11 minutes to 9.
	And there was also a whole thing about the power of East London going down then, of the train service.
	I think whatever happened, the power service blocked out and they found it exactly 11 minutes to 9.
	So precision timing.
	Somebody wanted precision timing echoing the 9-11 event.
	The perps do leave their signature, as it were, in these events.
	And this 9-11, 11 minutes to 9 is obviously the signature we get here.
	Ah, yes, of course.
	11 minutes to 9, 9-11.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	So why did they have it as 8.50 to obfuscate the fact that it was 11 minutes to 9?
	Well, they didn't realize the exact minutes important.
	Well, I think you make a nice point.
	11 minutes to 9.
	Very nice.
	Also, we've got Halevi, formerly head of Mossad.
	He has an article appears in the Jerusalem Times, I think, just a couple of hours after the event.
	He has an article appears which knows all about the events, right?
	And it says that the bombs went off synchronously.
	Now, why is that important?
	It's important because initially the papers reported that the bombs went off at different times because you wouldn't expect them all to be synchronous, why would you?
	And it was only several days later that they came out with the rather strange fact that all three explosions have been at the same minute.
	So Halevi, who wrote this article, knew too much.
	Yeah, yeah, they had a Mossad because it had to have been a Mossad off, Nick.
	Yeah, well, they were...
	I mean, this was a government, government thing.
	Yeah, yeah, I think so.
	I think Hanai is one of the people who should have been questions under oath what he knew.
	The other is Peter Power.
	Hanevi and Peter Power, they clearly insiders clearly knew what was going on and should have been interrogated, but obviously they weren't to get the real story.
	Yeah.
	So this is the number 30 bus that blew up and it was promoting a film, right?
	Film The Descent.
	And the advert was outright in terror, born and brilliant, which you can see there.
	Right on the side of the bus that blew up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the bus was totally out off its normal route.
	It doesn't normally go into Tavisjot Square.
	So this was a special bus diverted.
	So why would these passengers be on it?
	It's supposed to go, I think, towards Houston from Boca Street.
	It does a diversion to, it was told it had to be in Tavisjot Square.
	I hate to say it was that guy wearing like an Israeli IDF shirt.
	I mean, could he be Mozart?
	Look at that little symbol on his jacket.
	Oh, that's from the glass on the window.
	Yeah.
	But outright tear, Nick, they want us to get the point.
	They think we're pretty dumb, so they got to spell it out for us.
	Well, films do pre-stage events.
	The Empire is going to stage, you know.
	This film was about people trapped underground and dying and not being able to come out.
	So that film had to be postponed because it was too similar to what actually happened on 7-7, being trapped underground and not being able to get out.
	And so I did very much echo what actually happened.
	Yeah.
	Here he is.
	Yeah, here's the same bus.
	Now, this is a historic photo.
	The guy right on the right-hand side, he is the driver of the bus.
	Get that?
	Okay.
	Yeah, him.
	He's the driver.
	And he got out shortly before it blew up.
	And he asked the way.
	He asked somebody the way to wherever he's supposed to be going.
	The bus driver had to get up to ask where the hell he was going out to get to where he was going, Nick?
	What a force!
	What a force.
	Well, all right.
	He wasn't on the usual route.
	Okay.
	Now, you can also see.
	He wasn't going to do it as if he had to stay on the bus.
	He wasn't going to do it.
	So he had to have an excuse to be off the bus so he wouldn't be harmed.
	I think so, yeah.
	And he then walked some long distance back to where the bus stop I was.
	This bus, if you look at the top, you can see people hanging around.
	I think one of them might have a bleeding nose because the sight raised pressure.
	Right.
	Yeah, yeah, bleeding nose.
	But otherwise, people don't seem too bad.
	And it's quite a mystery who these people are.
	Nobody ever managed to get to interview them.
	But here it is.
	Here, bold and brilliant.
	See, that's Mozad congratulating itself.
	Bold and brilliant.
	So this is British Medical, BMA, British Medical Association are just there.
	That's where they stop.
	And so this is obviously a strategic Point where they had to be to blow up.
	So, this is about 20 minutes after the tube trains blew up.
	Okay, now, also, if you look, the whole top was obviously pre-arranged to lift off.
	You see, you could that in the front there is the top that's lifted off.
	And you can see it's neatly, neatly cut.
	You can actually see a cut mark at the top there.
	Here, or here, or a little too nice, a little too neat.
	Yeah, right, yeah.
	Okay.
	Right, now this is a close-up.
	Can you see the cut mark where somebody has prepared it for the top to lift off?
	You mean right in here?
	No, lower down, lower down.
	That's it, just there, yeah.
	Here, here.
	Yeah, that's where somebody's touching the metal.
	Wow!
	Wow!
	Yes, it's so outrageous.
	This is so outrageous.
	Well, it is rather, yeah.
	So the whole thing lifted off.
	That's another picture released, shows the extremely level, extremely level line that was cut.
	So the whole top of the bus, neatly, that's the same bus, that's the other side, right?
	The whole top neatly lifted off.
	That was for dramatic effect.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	This is another one, sort of iconic picture.
	It's not at all clear that there was a bomb, something exploded, made this bus explode, but it's not at all clear.
	We got another brain.
	We'll be right back with my dear friend Nikola Strum of the UK talking about the London 777 subway bombing.
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	now we return you to your host I think I've gone back to the image of this sawed, partially sawed edge of the top.
	It seems to me that they were not going to use a very powerful explosive to do this, probably to avoid collateral damage in Tavistock Square.
	So they had to prep the bot to make it look as though it had been a more powerful explosive than they actually used.
	Would you agree?
	Well, all we saw was a puff of blue smoke from the other side of Tavistock Square.
	I think there were pictures of that.
	And if indeed there were a lot of people up in that top part of the bus, it had to lift off without causing them too much damage, deafening them and so on.
	So it's quite mysterious.
	It is very mysterious what happened on this bus.
	Were there interviews?
	Were the interviews with the passengers to say what it was like?
	I mean, the bus looks bad, but you're saying the passengers actually were generally unharmed.
	Yeah, there were a few interviews because there were a lot of in the aftermath of this event, there were a lot of so-called inquests and inquiries which heard stories, but they didn't evaluate them.
	You never had anyone saying what happened or trying to judge what had been experienced.
	They were just stories that we heard.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Right, now, let's...
	Well, we go through three stages of question is what is the explosive used?
	If indeed an explosive was used.
	Something blew up the coaches.
	And the initial, quite credible story, you had real experts turning up and they said there were traces of detonators and high-grade explosives, namely something called C4, which is a NATO explosive made in NATO laboratories.
	Okay, and here is July the 13th.
	Here is an expert.
	So that's, you know, several days after the event.
	Here is an explosive expert saying that.
	Now, that later changed because they had the problem.
	Once they identified these lads from Leeds, there had no possible way of getting this explosive.
	So the story had to change to something called TATP, and the claim was that it could be brewed up in a bath.
	And that became more and more unlikely.
	And it ended up as black pepper and hydrogen peroxide, which is totally farcical and isn't really an explosive at all.
	But the idea being that these lads could get black pepper and peroxide.
	So that was the third version.
	That's about three years later.
	It ended up as that.
	It is embarrassing that the driver is able to walk away there.
	I mean, for crying out loud.
	Yeah, that was very strange.
	He obviously got out.
	He was told to stop the car at the bus then.
	He got out just before it blew up.
	So that's pretty clear.
	He knew we're about to blow up, so he better get out.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, here is where the bus blew up.
	You can see some sort of blood, or maybe pig's blood or something, sprayed, splattered around the door of the British Medical Association.
	But the trouble is the bus isn't really in front of this.
	The bus is some distance away.
	So how the hell would blood show up there?
	Yeah, the bloody is about 10 yards away from this.
	In any case, there's no people who got blown up with their blood spattered everywhere.
	So this was, as it were, a prop.
	Okay.
	Right, now we come to the famous, much debated picture of these four lads.
	Now, I think this picture only came out sometime after.
	The police claimed they had pictures, CCTV, and they put this one out.
	And it's quite outrageously photoshopped.
	You can see from the timestamp, it's 7-7 and it's 21 minutes past 7 in the morning.
	So Luton is up and it's north of London, okay?
	So they're going into this.
	The guy looks, he's got a plastic bag, probably got his sandwiches or something in it.
	And they have got rucksacks and they all look sort of quite casual.
	This is the fourth.
	There were four of them, right?
	Yeah, if you look at the one at the back, that's supposed to be Muhammad Sadiq Khan.
	The rails go in front of him.
	The railings should be behind him.
	Can you see that character at the back?
	I'm looking.
	You mean this way?
	Yeah, that's the guy there.
	Behind him.
	The rails go in front of him and he's obviously not there.
	That fellow, Khan, was not there on that day.
	That is Tanwir.
	You can see his foot is all sort of funny and it's clearly been photoshopped and he interacts with the pole in front of him.
	So the whole thing is done very, very badly.
	Yes.
	It was a rush point.
	I have a rush job.
	Also, you can see it looks as if it's been raining where Tanwir is just there.
	Can you see it looks like there's puddles of rain?
	Okay.
	Yeah, so there's no boundary or ceiling that would stop the rain and make it so it's wet one part and dry the other.
	So that isn't possible.
	And you can see the character in the front here.
	To be like, this might be the insert line right Here to put this part here together.
	This doesn't look right.
	So they've given us a very badly polar shot picture here, as most people pointed out.
	Okay, so this is the journey they went on.
	They got on at Luton, that's what we've just been looking at, and then they got off at King's Cross, Thameslink.
	So this is an overground line.
	And the whole government story put out was that they got the 740 train at Luton, and then that got them at King's Cross at 8.16, which would have been a good time for the bombs going off, you see?
	Yeah.
	They are supposed to get on trains with their explosive rucksacks and blow up the trains.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Now, for when the bombs went off, I've put down here when the trains left King's Cross.
	There's three different trains they would have had to get.
	8.35, 8.42, 8.48 for the three different locations that blew up.
	Okay.
	To remind you.
	So one, the first, they went off at 8.49, didn't they?
	At 11 minutes to 9.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Now, I then discovered, me and a colleague, we discovered we got the actual train times, we've got all the records from those stations, very fortunate.
	And the 740 was cancelled that morning.
	It didn't run.
	And all the other lines were late.
	They were delayed by various things going on with the line.
	So the actual train schedule was different.
	And this is what wrecked the whole plan.
	So it was a perfect crime.
	It was these train delays that ruined the whole plan.
	So it seems they probably got the 7.48 and arrived at 8.42.
	Right.
	So they went ahead with a fake story, right, of 7.48 and arriving at 8.42, because it wouldn't work without that, even though it was contradicted by the reality.
	Yeah, I think a year later in the House of Commons, they admitted that there was no 740 and it was all had to be, so it wasn't clear at all what train they were supposed to have got, because they claimed to have CCTV that had shown them at that early time.
	So it wasn't easy for them to back out of that.
	Right.
	Okay, now there was some real CCTV released at the inquiry, which was a few years after the event that I was present at.
	And here you can see Hasib Hussein, one of the four lads, he's potting around about five to nine at Boots the Chemist.
	So he's missed his appointment.
	What?
	Here's the guy who's supposed to be on the bus, right?
	And the bus goes off, blows up about a quarter past.
	Is his body recovered from the bus?
	No, no, not at all.
	And nobody saw this very large, conspicuous fellow on the bus.
	Dude, he would have been very conspicuous on the top of a double-decker bus.
	No one did.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, it seems what actually happened to him, he got separated from the other two.
	You see, Khan wasn't there.
	Khan pulled out of the whole thing the day before.
	I'll come to that.
	Three of them were there.
	And Hasid Hussein got separated from the others, but he had a mobile phone.
	And he rang them up.
	He didn't realize that was his, as it were, a death warrant, that they had provided them with mobile phones so they could track where they were going.
	And Hasid Hussein potted around.
	The official story was that he tried to blow himself up with his backpack, but the battery didn't work.
	So he had to go into Bootstrap Chemist to buy a new battery.
	But hadn't the bomb already gone off on the bus?
	No, this is before the bus, before the alleged bus.
	So he had to go into Boots the Chemist to buy a new battery for the detonator so he'd get his passport to Paradise.
	And anyway, here he is, he would assume to be.
	It's not very clear, is it?
	There's no shadow.
	There's no shadow showing he's really there.
	But he might have been put there.
	This is probably photoshopped too, don't you think?
	It might be, yeah.
	We don't see his feet and we don't see any shadow.
	Somehow, I don't know.
	His body doesn't seem right in terms of the layout of the ground, the floor.
	No, no, right.
	Okay, so this is where they ended up, Canary Wharf.
	And so the two, Tamwir and the other guy, went to Canary Wharf and then Hasu Hussein would have, we presume, would have phoned them up and Loda said, come over here.
	And he went over here and the three of them were shot dead at Canary Wharf.
	Initially, the reports were two being shot.
	You said the fourth one, you know, who had been photoshopped in the guy on the right.
	You said he pulled out.
	No, the guy, the guy, tell him he's there.
	There's the guy right at the back with the poles going through him.
	That's Muhammad Sadiq Khan.
	We'll come to him in a minute.
	I'll explain why he pulled out.
	Because it would seem to me he's still alive, right?
	Okay, well, here we are.
	Here we are.
	Here's the alleged mastermind.
	He was a greatly respected local figure.
	He was a counselor at the local school and he was trusted by everyone and he would give advice.
	And he reckoned he was good at conflict resolution.
	blowing up subway cars and buses is not a preferred method of conflict resolution.
	This guy's an expert in conflict resolution.
	He must be pissed for.
	Yeah, well, his whole family was very distinguished.
	I think his mother went to a party at Buckingham Palace with the Queen and there's also a connection with Parliament that he invited a member of parliament to come to the Hasborough Healthy Living Centre where he lived.
	So he was an up and coming fellow.
	He would have been a real local politician if he'd survived.
	Now what happened was his wife suddenly was pregnant with a second child and should we move on next?
	Just move on.
	Next, that's it.
	So that's his wife.
	Spending a second child and there was she picked up the stress.
	I think she must have picked up the stress of what the ghostly plot was and she started to have a miscarriage.
	And that was right or going to a birth, possibly to give birth.
	And he therefore had to pull out.
	So he telephoned, I think the day before, the 5th or 6th of July, he telephoned to the others, sorry, I have to pull out.
	But of course, it was just an acting gig.
	It was just an acting gig, so it really wasn't a big deal.
	Well, they would have been paid a lot of money.
	It was all exciting.
	They loved going up to London, those lads.
	It was the excitement of seeing the town and everything.
	And some of them had been for a practice run 10 days earlier, three of them.
	It's very exciting for them to see the big city.
	Anyway, Khan pulled out because his wife was having this complication, which turned out to be a still birth.
	It was very terrible.
	And that was basically the last that was seen of him.
	Okay.
	They couldn't afford to let him live.
	What about?
	She disappeared as well.
	Yeah, so he vanishes and he is allegedly there in London.
	They don't let the story go out that he cancelled it because of the birth complication of his wife.
	But that is hushed up and the story is put out that he is in London with the other three.
	That there need to have the four of them in the story in London.
	Taking of the explosives him.
	This is embarrassingly bad, Nick.
	Well, after about a week, they started claiming that the four lads, or no, three of them, three of the lads in Leeds, had a room with a bath where they could brew this up.
	Now, at fake terror events, they nearly always have hydrogen peroxide.
	That is allegedly how it's brewed up, how some explosives brew it up.
	And the problem is that you simply cannot buy strong hydrogen peroxide in any shop.
	You cannot order it.
	There's no way these lads could get, you can get, you know, hair bleached or something, but that's not nearly strong enough to go bang, right?
	You need some viscous liquid and only maybe a school can order it, strong hydrogen peroxide.
	And likewise, strong sulfuric acid, you might be able to get that from a shop, but certainly not peroxide.
	That is the flaw in the argument.
	The idea that they can make this strong, this TACP and also it has to be kept cold in a fridge.
	So the idea was that they'd have some ice cooling thing in the car as they drove down.
	And so that was, TACP was, for a long time, it was the favoured explosive, but still, it was extremely incredible and unlikely that those lads would know anything whatever about chemistry.
	That was very much the weak part of the whole story.
	Well, there's so many weak parts.
	Meanwhile, Maude was his trial.
	Well, this is years later.
	This is years later.
	Or was it?
	Yeah, there was a 7-7 trial where some of the friends of the four were on trial.
	And Modib sent his TV.
	Anyway, they put him in jail for the duration of the public inquiry.
	It was a six-month, rather farcical public inquiry.
	I think it was 2010.
	And they put him in jail on a quite absurd charge.
	And he won his case, which was quite commendable.
	So here's a bunch of us.
	I just think it's a nice picture of us.
	Familiar fellow there on the lab.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I don't think you know the other people.
	Okay, here is the 7-7 inquiry, July 7th, KUK.
	You can see some of the researchers.
	So it's a 9-11 truth group as well as the 7-7.
	So these are, as it were, the movements that got the whole story out.
	Me and my friend Keith Madison, who was bumped off by the authorities, bumped off.
	Yeah, it's a beautiful story.
	But anyway, that's all.
	Thank you.
	What happened to him next?
	Well, he ended up in a hospital, hardly be able to remember who he was.
	And then he had some Something, you know, back trouble or something in hospital.
	He suddenly popped off.
	He was a real, he was sort of Buddhist, anarchist, socialist who was a real moving force in the truth movement.
	Yeah.
	Well, anyway, there you go.
	Background, Nick, what got him into all this?
	What got him into it?
	Yeah.
	I'm just wondering about it.
	Was there something about his background that drew him into the truth movement?
	I mean, a number of us do this because we have special background and ability that enable us to sort these things out in ways that those with different backgrounds cannot.
	I just wondered if there was anything distinctive about his background.
	Well, he was in the old 9-11 truth group.
	He was in Scotland and he was very much liaising with Muslims, trying to bring people together.
	And he was dead keen on Judy Wood stuff.
	In fact, he's acknowledged in Judy Wood's book, What Brought the Towers Down, he's acknowledged.
	This chap is acknowledged.
	It's one of the people who helped her, which I think is amazing.
	Where did the towers go?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Keith Munson.
	He certainly helped me to produce the book, you know.
	Nick, the parts of the show you miss had to do with Netanyahu coming to visit Trump at the third time in his second admin.
	And we expect he's going to ask for permission to new Korean or ask the U.S. to do it.
	Isn't there a bit more?
	Was that the end of the slides?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I feel I've probably missed out some bits of the story.
	Well, I can go back, but I don't believe there's...
	There you go.
	Yeah, that's just the new norm these days.
	The government is scaring the population with non-existent terror threats.
	And if people would think about these things properly and look into it, then they shouldn't stand for this stuff.
	There's been a terrific sequence of European fabricated terror events.
	Conspiracy theory.
	Oh, officer, I haven't just robbed the bank with those others.
	I'm part of a drill.
	You're not one of those conspiracy theorists, are you?
	Yeah, anyone who would question.
	But that's a look, he's actually hauling off the money.
	Right, yeah.
	Okay.
	Nick, that was the finale.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So pleased to have you here today.
	If America nukes Iran, Nick, what do you think?
	I believe there's going to be hell to pay.
	I won't be surprised if America winds up being nuked in turn.
	I don't think that's going to happen, Jim.
	No, I don't see that.
	Well, is that what Scott Ritter was telling you?
	It was quite scary.
	That Debye's going to ask Trump if he can nuke Iran and Trump's going to say yes.
	Yeah, well, I don't anticipate that.
	No, I think it's all phased out in quite a well-balanced manner.
	I think that Iran is getting these terrific new Chinese jets, which means that soon, once they've figured out how to use them, Israel and America will not be able to fly over Iran with impunity as they have done recently.
	And I think all the world is glad to see Israel having been totally pulverized.
	I think that's rescued a lot of us from despair, seeing that Israel could take all that.
	A number of us made that Putin hasn't given a MS 400s, that he's been very slow to act on behalf of Iran.
	China, however, is standing up and saying, we stand with Iran.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's hope.
	I would think Iran has shown that it's strong.
	I mean, the mystery in all this, the great mystery, Jim, is that Iran is continuing to refine its uranium with no purpose.
	It's up to 60%.
	And why is it doing it?
	If they're not going to develop nukes, yes.
	Yeah, they've been saying for years and years.
	No, we're not developing nukes.
	Well, if they're not, why are they doing the enrichment?
	And it seems to be a process that just goes on of its own momentum because nobody can stop it.
	It's a huge enterprise.
	These huge centrifuges are working in Iran and people are getting nervous.
	I mean, if those two countries both have nukes, it will be a terrifying prospect.
	They both face each other.
	That would really precipitate some sort of conflict.
	It would be like the Cold War, mutually assured destruction.
	It would introduce a new period of stability, just as between the USSR, because both do they could destroy each other.
	I think it would calm things down if Iran had new.
	Oh, I see.
	All right.
	Nick, it's been a joy having you here, my friend.
	I look forward to our next wonderful combo.
	You've done such work on this and so many other subjects.
	Okay.
	Well, it was the 20th anniversary of the 7-7 and these terrible events, fake events will continue until people wake up and get angry and string up the warmongers.
	That's what needs to happen and just show that they won't tolerate it.
	You're wonderful, Dan.
	Everyone, peace and joy.
	Okay, Jim.
	Well done.

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