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June 28, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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Understanding Health Beyond Conventional Medicine with Dr. Tom Cowan
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Why you surrendered your license in the first place?
They were questioning the content that I was putting out on YouTube, and I asked them to tell me which content was it that they questioned and they wouldn't tell me.
Let's go in this conversation on the assumption that viruses don't exist.
Nobody has ever gone to the ecosystem and found a particle that you could call a virus.
Never.
What is the garbage for the human body?
More heavy metals, more crappy food.
Since they claim it was airborne, that they should be able to get saliva or something else that it's airborne upon, put it under electron microscope until there it is.
You just told me that it can't get outside of the cell and live, and now you're telling me it gets outside of the cell, it flies through the air and infects the next person.
Thank you.
Hey guys, how are you?
It's Bob Aichino.
Welcome to another episode of the Future's Edge Finance Unfiltered.
This is the unfiltered part of the Finance Unfiltered.
I got two people to introduce to you this time.
Kevin Lex Lutheringhausen, who is my co-host.
He's replacing Jimmy.
Jimmy is, of course, on assignment in Italy with his wife eating and drinking too much, I'm sure.
Lex, thank you so much for doing this, man.
I really appreciate it.
You bet.
Bobby Levy.
Lex is the host of the brew on the Tradier Hub, which is also the place that you can watch Jimmy and I live on Wednesdays, 4 p.m.
Eastern Time.
We have a show called The Trader's Edge.
This is the Futures Edge.
We get into other subjects here, which is something we're going to do today.
Lex, what time is the brew on?
And when is it on?
Yeah, so the Brew's live actually on Thursdays, 9 a.m.
Central.
And I have two co-hosts with us.
Sometimes they call us the Wranglers, the derivative desperados.
I mean, we go all over the board in that show, man.
So it's a little heady, but, you know, still fun.
We try to try to dumb it down a little bit because I'm the dumbest one in the group and they need to do that for me.
So it works.
Well, I'm usually with Jim, so we argue about who's the dumbest one, but I'm going to maintain it's him.
He's going to say it's me.
And today as our main guest, we have, I think this is going to be fascinating.
We have Dr. Tom Cowen.
Tom is an MD and he's the author of several books and he kind of challenges the views about how people get sick.
That's really sort of a broad strokes description of it.
Am I right, Tom?
That's pretty broad.
So why don't we dial it down then?
Tell me sort of what's your theory.
First of all, are you still a practicing physician and where are you coming to us from?
I live in upstate New York and know I, what they call surrendered my license.
And now we have an online clinic called the New Biology Clinic, but I don't actually see people.
So I'm out of that loop.
All right.
So let's start with why you surrendered your license in the first place.
And what is this clinic that you have if it's not you practicing medicine?
I surrendered my license because I didn't want to be part of the medical establishment anymore.
I could go into the reasons for that, but you know, like they were questioning the content that I was putting out on YouTube.
And I asked them to tell me which content was it that they questioned and they wouldn't tell me.
And I said, is there anybody I can talk to who can tell me whether my content is approved or not?
Because they said it was unapproved and they said no.
And I was pretty much done.
I had practiced general medicine for 35 years or almost 40 and didn't want to do it anymore.
And then about two years ago, we started an online clinic.
So I found some essentially recruited doctors who you could say I either mentored or think like I do, which we can get into.
And so we have four or five doctors and a bunch of other people.
And we basically treat members, we call them, who, you know, come to us for help.
So can you kind of summarize what I laid out in broad strokes where you have some sort of unique opinions or differing opinions and some of like your ideas and possibly the research that backs them up before I throw the next question to Lex?
Yeah, you know, I think, you know, I've done this a few times and I think the way to do it is, so my first statement here is the problem with medicine and biology.
And by the way, as you said, I'm trained as a medical doctor and I have a, you know, bachelor's in biology from Duke.
So I'm not unfamiliar with, you know, the rap on biology and medicine, right?
But I would claim, and I'll tell you what I mean by this, that one of our biggest problems is we live in a profoundly scientifically illiterate culture.
And the main population in general?
The population in general, and that the main people who are actually scientifically illiterate are the scientists and the medical doctors.
And I would include myself in that category, but I didn't want to be scientifically illiterate.
I wanted to think properly and logically.
And I had to figure that out for myself.
And let me give you an example of what I mean by that, because otherwise it's just some statement.
And I always like to ask people who ask me questions, if you disagree with anything, I would actually love it if you say, no, I don't think that's right.
So I have four simple things that are the hallmark of scientific literacy.
And this is the key to everything I'm saying.
The first is that if there's a claim, and a claim is a positive statement, like I'm holding this knife, right?
That's a positive claim.
If somebody makes a claim that can't be falsified, then it's a belief.
It has nothing to do with science.
So if somebody says God created the earth, now I have nothing against people believing stuff, but I don't know any way to falsify that claim.
It doesn't mean it's not true.
It just means it's not science.
And we should not confuse those two, right?
That's a belief.
Okay?
That's clear?
Yep, I got it.
Okay, the second is science Is not competing claims.
It's somebody makes a claim and you falsify it.
And if it can't be falsified, it's a belief.
So let me give you an example.
There's an 18-year-old Asian-looking fellow.
His parents are Caucasian.
He looks in his parents' closet, finds adoption papers, never saw a picture of his mother pregnant.
Goes to them, is it true I was adopted?
Yeah, we got you from an orphanage in China and, you know, we didn't want to tell you, et cetera, et cetera.
So everything's clear.
He was adopted from China.
And now the whole thing is clear.
Goes to his best friend, said, I'm a little shook up.
You know, I just found out I was adopted.
And he says, so who are your real parents?
I don't know.
I was just found out today.
Until you can tell me who your real parents are, I don't believe you were adopted.
That's nuts, right?
Yeah.
You know how many people I've said, there's no evidence that viruses exist.
There's no evidence that chickenpox is a specific illness caused by a virus.
And these so-called scientifically literate doctors and scientists say to me, so what causes chickenpox?
Who are your real parents?
I see where you're going.
The issue is you made a claim.
There's a specific illness called COVID, chickenpox, measles, herpes, IV, whatever.
And it's caused by a physical particle called a virus.
And that's a claim.
And that claim is easily falsified.
Now, it doesn't matter whether I know what causes herpes or chickenpox.
I could know or I couldn't know.
I could be wrong.
I could anything, right?
And it has no relevance on falsifying the claim.
You got that?
Yeah.
So far.
The next one is if there's more than one possible explanation for an observation or a claim, you can't use that as proof.
In other words, maybe one of you guys has a wife.
Your wife came home late one day.
That means she's having an affair.
Well, it could be she's having an affair, or it could be that she got a flat tire, or it could be she went out to have dinner with her friend, or it could be she had to stay late at work, or it could be she went to buy shoes, or a whole lot of other reasons, right?
So you cannot use that as proof of anything.
Agree?
Agreed.
Perfect.
The final thing is when you're doing science, you're trying to find the experiment or the observation that proves the claim.
So if I say, here's three dots, right?
Are they on a straight line?
No.
Now, I would say you don't need to go speculate.
You don't need to go to the professor of straight lineology.
All you need is a ruler, right?
Right.
And then you go and you say, nope, they're not on a straight line because I can define what a straight line is.
They're not.
And then if anybody at any point says, yeah, but remember that these dots are on a straight line, you say, no, we already proved that they're not.
So you can't use that in your argument that they are unless you go back and show me why those three dots are on a straight line.
I can tell your listeners and maybe you guys, if you can get these four rules of thinking right, you can understand that when you go to a doctor, they're treating you based on disproven theories.
They say, why do I get sick?
In other words, I have a cold, a mucus, et cetera.
Well, you have a virus.
So it turns out that, first of all, they don't know how you would prove there's a virus or not.
And if you don't believe me, go to your family doctor tomorrow and say, doc, can you tell me how a virologist proves the existence of a virus and show that it causes disease?
And I can bet you $1,000, they have no clue.
Or they'll give you some nonsensical answer, which hopefully in 10 minutes you'll be able to disprove.
So then they treat you by, well, you have an autoimmune disease, meaning you have antibodies which are making you sick.
That's the definition.
I happen to know there's not one published paper in the scientific or medical literature that shows that anybody isolated an antibody from any person, gave it to a well person or animal and made them sick.
Not one.
And if you don't believe me, I don't want to hear from the professor of straight linology or autoimmunity.
I want the paper that proves that that's true because I happen to know it doesn't exist.
So that takes me right away.
I mean, I remember growing up and, you know, we were sort of viruses to me seem like something.
And that is one of the main claims you make is that they haven't been proven to exist, right?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
You're not saying they don't.
You're saying you've never seen them and you've seen no evidence of them.
Is that correct to say before I ask the question?
Technically speaking, if I said, Bobby, what's the evidence that invisible exploding unicorns exist and they're the cause of the building exploding in the Ukraine?
You can't ever prove that there's no such thing as an invisible exploding unicorn.
Right?
So I can't prove there's no such thing as Sasquatch or a virus or a whole lot of other things.
But you can say, so what is the evidence that exploding invisible unicorns are causing this damage?
Have you seen it?
Has anybody taken one and figured out what it's made of and shown that it causes?
Because there is a rational, logical, scientific way of showing that something exists.
Let me just see if you guys agree.
Or say, how do you know that there's a hammer?
Well, I can hold one in my hand.
You go to a toolbox and you look and you take out something that you claim is a hammer, right?
Then you say, how do you know what a hammer is made of?
You break it down and figure out it's made of steel and rubber or whatever.
And they say, what does it do?
Well, it hits in nails.
How do you know that?
What if I said, X, I can prove that hammers knock in nails because I can go to the toolbox and I can hit the nail with the toolbox and that proves hammers knock in nails.
You hit it with the toolbox, though, not the Hammer.
I hit it with the toolbox.
I didn't look for a hammer in the toolbox.
Is that true?
Well, that's not proof enough, right?
That's not proof enough.
It doesn't prove that the hammer does it.
It proves that the toolbox does it, though.
Right.
And if I say I ground it up and I set the toolbox and I say that this proves hammers are made of iron.
Do you agree?
No.
Okay.
What about a frog?
How would you prove there's a frog?
Let me just go quickly here.
You go to the ecosystem where you'd expect to find a frog, right?
Like a pond, and you get a net and you fish out the frog.
And then if you're a mean person, you can dissect the frog and find out what it's made of.
And then if you want to know whether frogs eat flies, you put some flies in only with the frog and see if the frog eats the flies, right?
Same with bacteria.
The only difference is how you isolate the thing.
With the hammer, you just pick it out.
With the frog, you use a net.
With bacteria, you use a microscope and a filter.
Okay?
You with me?
Yep.
So here's another fact.
In all of the supposedly viral illnesses, I'm talking COVID, chickenpox, measles, HIV, et cetera, nobody has ever gone to the ecosystem where these, like the chickenpox blister or snot from somebody with measles or the bronchial fluid of somebody with COVID, and in that fluid found a particle that you could call a virus.
Never.
And we have 230 freedom of information requests from the CDC, the NIH, Robert Koch Institute, Louis Pasteur Institute.
Can you show us a paper where you took a chickenpox blister or the lung fluid from somebody with COVID and they isolated, right, like the hammer in any way you want, right?
And found a particle called a virus.
And they say, you can't do that.
That's weird, right?
Like, weird, yes.
Wait a minute.
How do you know it's there then?
So it's funny.
And Lex, you could take the next question if you want.
It's funny for me because, again, I remember like drawings of viruses when I was a kid.
There were these little spiky alien invaders, and then they would show in another cartoon, a subsequent frame, how your immune system would come in with little swords and a helmet, and they'd be killing the viruses, right?
And I'm showing you pictures of unicorns, too.
No, no, right.
That's obviously not proof of viruses.
But I just remember this and I think to myself, so let's go in this conversation on the assumption that viruses don't exist.
And I understand now because I have questions in my mind that I can't ask because you said, well, it doesn't disprove my theory that viruses don't exist by me saying to you, well, then what does this?
And you're absolutely right.
It doesn't.
Like if I say to you, well, then how does somebody get the measles?
You could say, I don't know.
And that doesn't prove that you're wrong about this particular theory.
I'm right in saying that.
Yeah, but I think we should, for your listeners, go over, because there are, isolation means take the hammer out and you have it isolated, right?
You separate one thing from all other things, right?
You agree with that?
Of course.
There's 10,000 papers that are titled the Isolation of Measles Virus, Poliovirus, Herpesvirus, etc.
So we need to tell your listeners how they did that and then see if this is valid, right?
So let's go through polio.
So they say 1908 or so, there's this disease.
We didn't used to see this.
Children are getting paralyzed.
We looked, we didn't see a bacteria, so it must be smaller.
So that's a virus, okay?
They don't have an electron microscope.
They can't see it.
They have no way to find the virus.
So they said, okay, well, here's how we're going to isolate the virus, right?
They took a child who died of paralysis, ground up their spine, put it in a syringe with some chemicals, injected that into the brains of two monkeys.
One monkey died, one got paralyzed.
They said they proved that polio is an infectious particle called a virus.
And they made a vaccination.
And they did that for 50 years.
That's right.
To about 100,000 monkeys.
Interestingly, at that point, 1953, somebody decided to inject ground up spine from some child who died from something else, right?
Like a car accident.
And you know what happened when they injected it into the monkey's brain?
Car accident virus?
Yeah, the monkey died and got paralyzed.
That's what I was going to say.
So then they said, well, obviously this isn't very scientific.
Now they, so that 1954, and here's the important point.
From 1954 until today, right?
For the last almost 70 years of virology, here's how they isolate every single virus and therefore prove that it exists.
This was a Nobel Prize winning paper, a guy named John Enbers.
I don't know if I'm boring you guys, but not at all.
So here's what he did.
He took a child who they claimed have measles.
We can get into that in a minute.
Took some of their mucus, put it in a, in a test, in a, you know, a syringe with some chemicals in it like trypsin.
They added that to a growing culture of monkey kidney cells.
They didn't look for a virus in it, even though by that time they had an electron microscope, but they knew they couldn't see any viruses in there.
Then they added two antibiotics that are known to be poisonous to kidney cells.
Then they added fetal calf serum and bovine serum.
And then they added some other chemicals.
Four days later, the monkey cells died.
And that's called the isolation of the measles virus.
They said, what else could have caused the monkey kidney cells to die?
It certainly couldn't be kidney cell toxic antibiotics.
It couldn't be the fetal bovine serum.
It couldn't be that they take away the food from the cells.
It couldn't be the trypsin.
And then the guy Enders did the same experiment without adding something from anybody with measles.
And you know what happened?
The monkey kidney cells died.
And he said, Well, apparently we haven't proved it, but let's call this the isolation of the virus.
That, my friends, is the proof that viruses exist to this day.
What do you got, Lex?
Yeah, let me ask.
So, I got a lot of questions, but and then no particular order.
So, you may get to this later, but let me just ask a couple of things.
So, why the hell do we need vaccinations then?
Do we need to?
Are they important at all?
Is there any use?
No, there is no benefit.
Here's how you make a measles vaccine.
Remember that process, right?
You take snot, you put it on a monkey kidney cell, it dies.
Then these pictures, by the way, Bobby, you see these pictures?
They look through the monkey kidney cell debris and they put stains on it and they freeze it to 150 degrees and they see an image of stain on a microscope slide.
And they say that's the virus.
But there's at least 20 papers in the medical literature of taking monkey kidney cells without anything in there and finding the same pictures.
So we have proved that there's no virus in there.
Then they make excuses that, well, it could be that the monkey kidney cells are colonized with endogenous viruses.
So that can't prove anything.
In fact, there's pictures of SARS-CoV-2 with the spiky thing that come from kidney biopsies.
So that proves that these are not actually exogenous from the outside structures infecting anybody.
That's just what it looks like when you break down the kidney cells.
Okay.
So what?
Here's a vaccine to get your question.
They take that broken down monkey kidney cell with fetal bovine serum and all the rest of it.
They put it in a syringe and they inject it in you to make you, quote, immune to the virus.
Doesn't work.
There's no virus.
And here's the immune system for a minute, right?
And they say it makes you make antibodies, right?
That's the immune system.
So you get measles, you make antibodies to the virus, you're immune for life.
You get mumps, you make antibodies to the virus, you're immune for life.
You get the flu, that's a virus.
You make antibodies, but that only lasts a year because the flu virus knows how to evade the antibodies.
And so it's smart, right?
And then 1984, the year I graduated medical school.
So remember, I just spent four years learning that if you make antibodies, you're immune for life, right?
My name Robert Gallo gets on the television, says, I found the cause of AIDS.
Some people with AIDS have antibodies to HIV, not all.
And antibodies, Lex, mean you're going to die from the virus.
And I said, wait a minute.
You just spent four years telling me that if I have antibodies, I'm immune.
And this bozo just gets on the horn and says, if I have antibodies, that means I'm going to die from the virus.
Without any proof, without any explanation.
And I thought to myself, this is bullshit.
This is bullshit.
I mean, come on, guys.
And so what is, you know, this is what's called post hoc reasoning, which means you say originally 1908, they said you get a virus, you get sick, everybody gets sick.
But then you see people around people who allegedly have chickenpox.
Not everybody gets sick, right?
So you have to say, why not?
Well, obviously, Lex, it's because some people are immune.
So what does it mean immune?
Well, they have these chemicals, which we've never actually isolated from a living being, called antibodies, and they make you immune, except sometimes they actually kill you.
So sometimes they don't do anything, and sometimes they kill you, and besides which we can't find them, but they must be there.
Because anyways, I know that you can prevent unicorn attacks because I spread unicorn repellent around my house and not one unicorn has blown up my house in years.
So that's proof that unicorn repellent, like vaccines, prevents you from getting sick.
Okay.
Ready for my next one?
Go.
All right.
So all that being true, let's say, and I mean, that's the wrong word to use, but what's going on when people who, let's say, called the flu season?
That was a good example.
People who don't have aren't vaccinated with a flu vaccine, and there's a similar symptoms among a large group of people who have these flu-like things that go on.
They cough, they blow their nose.
It's not running everywhere.
Let's call it the flu.
What's happening there then?
Is that preventable by, you know, with drugs, or is it just part of your human beingness that prevents you from getting it?
Because I never get sick, but I don't know why.
I have no idea.
I don't, but I don't.
So here, there's, you guys are probably familiar with the phrase psyops, right?
Yeah.
Medicine is the psyop.
Global.
The main psyop of all is globally a psychopath.
I just want to ask this real quick.
Is it globally a psyop to you?
What do you mean globally?
Well, I mean, this science quote, you know, quotes around that is globally accepted that vaccines exist, right?
So globally.
Everybody.
Okay, go.
But here's the psyop.
So I'm going to pick on you, Lex.
Pick on me.
Okay, you get a splinter in your finger, right?
What happens if you don't take it out?
I feel like I'm going to die, but I know I'm not going to die.
It's going to get infected.
It's going to turn blue and stuff, and then I'm going to go down.
What do you actually see?
Redness and pus.
Redness and pushiness, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Redness, swelling, pus.
Okay.
Okay.
You agree with that?
I agree with that.
So would you say that redness, swelling, and pus are the therapy for the splinter, or is that the disease?
Therapy for the splinter.
In other words, it's helping you get the splinter out.
I think it's doing something to say, splinter, get the heck out of here.
Yeah.
And you can prove that because then it does, gets the splinter out, and then the whole thing goes away.
Okay, so let's take your example.
You breathe in some dust and chemtrail stuff, and you smoke cigarettes and you eat crappy food, and you get debris in your lungs, right?
And then you cough and have mucus and feel bad and, you know, stuff's coming out.
Is that cough, mucus, feel bad, et cetera?
Is that the therapy or the disease?
Well, now that you say it, it's probably the therapy telling your body that quit putting that crap in your body and to help get it out, right?
Help expel it, right?
And if you said, if you go to your doctor who doesn't know science or thinking and he says, oh, you have the flu caused by an imaginary virus, I'm going to keep that debris in your lungs.
I'm going to give you an anti-get the debris out of your lungs medicine.
And he does, and it works.
And then you get debris buildup in your lungs, and you do that twice a year for 20 years.
And now we get the next disease.
So, Lex, you have a house, right?
Yep.
And some people have a foyer to the house, right?
Entrance.
So somebody comes and puts stinky garbage in the foyer of your house, right?
What do you do next?
Just remember, when you talk to me, think like a six-year-old.
Okay, well, what I do is I take it out and throw it outside or go put in the garbage and get rid of it.
So the smell will.
Okay, how about, let's be very clear.
You put it in a bag first.
Okay, that kind of, I thought it was already in a bag and just smelled.
Okay.
No, no, they threw it all over the place.
Yeah, I put it in the bag and then take it out.
I got you.
Yep.
Got it.
Then you take it to the garage and put it in a can, and then you take it to the curb on trash day.
That's correct.
Okay.
So let's say somebody puts some stinky garbage in your house called a body.
Same thing.
Bad food, glyphosate, chemtrail dust, vaccines.
That's a major one.
Heavy metals, et cetera.
And you tried to get it out, but you couldn't.
So now it's in your body.
And it starts to do that every year for 20 years.
What do you do next?
You got stinky garbage in your house.
Well, you got to put it in a bag somehow.
Put it in a bag.
What do we call a bag of garbage in a human body?
A tumor.
Oh, a tumor.
Okay.
That makes sense.
Totally.
In your lungs.
Yes.
Okay.
So that's bad, right?
Because now you got cancer.
Yes.
Which is your body's way of dealing with a stinky garbage.
Okay.
Now, what happens if they keep putting the stinky garbage in your garage gets full?
You put it in the bedroom, right?
Spare bedroom and then the living room and then the den and then the kitchen and then the master bedroom and then you move from your house, right?
Same with your body.
You say, why you keep putting stinky garbage and keeping me from getting it out?
Well, they keep putting stinky more and more vaccines and more antibiotics, anti-life, that's what antibiotic means, more heavy metals, more crappy food, more vaccines.
And you keep putting and then you go from your lungs and then you put it in your liver and then you put it in your brain and then you can't live there anymore and then you die.
Now, when I was in medical school, by the way, because how did it get?
So I asked, how does it get from your breast, right?
That's where it started to your liver.
And they said, well, it goes through the bloodstream, right?
The cells.
So I asked them, can you show me the cancer cells in the blood, right?
Because that's where it goes.
No, why not?
You can't find them in the blood.
How come?
You just told me they go through the blood to get to the liver.
Well, no, you can't find it there.
That's because when the garbage goes from your garage to the spare bedroom, it swims through the hallway.
It doesn't swim through the hallway.
The garbage doesn't go from your breast and swim through the blood.
It's just another place for your body to put garbage.
Now, that's why when I say that the theory of cancer, which doesn't work, is you have some genetic problem and et cetera.
But what you have is a accumulation of garbage in places where your body has no choice but to do this.
You've put it in a situation where you've got garbage in and you keep preventing the person from getting it out.
So it's got to put it somewhere.
Now, if you want to be treated by putting more garbage, i.e.
chemotherapy in your body, go right ahead.
It doesn't work.
I wrote a whole book on that.
If you want to be treated by, let's get the garbage out of your house, come to the new biology clinic.
I like it.
Bob, did you have a question?
No, you had a follow-up, right?
Yeah, quick follow-up.
Yeah.
Understand.
When you say, Lex, when you say, why do people get the same symptoms?
Because they all eat crappy food and they all breathe in chemtrails and dust and they get vaccines.
And even if they didn't get the flu shot, they got the shingle shot.
And they kept going to people year after year that every time they tried to get it out, they stuffed it back in.
Okay, let me follow up here and I'm going to let Bobby take the floor a little bit.
So understand all that.
It makes perfect sense.
I love the analogy about garbage.
So my first part of the question is, equivalently, what is the garbage for the human body?
I think you said it a couple of times, bad food, all that kind of crap.
Are there other things, right?
Does genetics play any role in my being a garbage kind of receptacle more easily than someone else?
And can I improve my vessel so that the garbage doesn't affect me as much?
A la, I don't know, exercising, good sleep, getting a little sunlight, yada, yada, yada, right?
So any of that may have any bearing on the human condition to avoid having it be a garbage dump on a somewhat regular basis.
So let's go through the genetics first because genetics is a scam.
Okay, good.
I'm glad I said it then.
So first of all, has anyone ever isolated DNA from a living person?
I don't know the answer.
I'm a guess.
The answer is no.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
They take your blood or tissue, they mix it with chemicals, and they get a reaction.
Here's the problem with that.
If I said, X, your problem is you're inundated with fruit flies, right?
And you might say, Tom, how do you know I have fruit flies in my blood?
Well, I took your blood and I put it in a fruit fly mold, and then I put some fruit fly coagulant in it, and then I put some fruit fly coloring dye.
And look, I found the fruit fly.
You might say, how do you know it was there in originally without doing that?
So all of the hormones, all The vitamins, all the DNA.
They take your blood, they mix it with this acid, this thing, this thing, this thing.
And when I ask them, can you find it without mixing it with all these acids, right?
Because how do you know it was there?
No.
So it's not science, right?
Because you can't control the experiment.
You can't falsify it, right?
That was one of my rules.
And then they say, okay, the way genetics works, you've probably heard this, you have DNA, it makes RNA, and then the RNA gets turned into proteins, right?
So one gene, that's the DNA, makes one specific RNA, makes one protein.
That's what they said.
Central dogma of genetics.
So then they find out there's 200,000 proteins, approximately, and about 20,000 or so genes, which means that apparently geneticists don't know arithmetic because there's 180,000 proteins which have no code according to even the way they do it.
So how did they, where did those come from?
Now, the whole thing is there's so many other things.
How do you get the DNA out of the nucleus?
The nucleus has a shell on it.
Well, they say it goes through a whirligig.
So can you show me the whirligig?
No.
So how come their pH is different in the cytoplasm in the nucleus?
That means the hydrogen ions can equilibrate across and a DNA and a thousand times bigger than a hydrogen.
It's like, how do you get it, make a door to let elephants in and out, and it keeps the flies from coming in?
The answer is you don't because you can't do that.
So there's no way this works.
It's just a make-believe story.
So the first rule is has nothing to do with genetics.
Now, I didn't say you don't look like your father, or in my case, I sometimes act like my father, which really annoys me.
But there's no gene for that, right?
Nobody has ever.
So there is something called heredity.
Now, we also know that people who live without chemtrails and without EMFs and eating natural food basically have no heart disease, no cancer, no flu, no illness.
So the short answer is if you don't want to have those things, just live like human beings were meant to live.
And if you think that that means never being outside, never moving your body, never eating a real food that was grown in the earth or raised in the way that food is meant to be raised, then good luck because it's not going to work.
That's what happened.
That's called America.
Bob, do you have something?
Yeah.
So the way I'm understanding this, it should be so simple.
It's obviously if you were to see a virus, and we're assuming for the sake of this conversation that they don't exist, they haven't been proven to exist.
If you were to see a virus, obviously they're too small.
They don't reflect light.
They can't absorb light, whatever it is.
You need an electron microscope to see them.
Would it not be the case?
And I'm asking the scientists in you now.
Would it not be the case that if someone wanted to show you, let's say, the COVID virus, right?
Since they claim it was airborne, that they should be able to get saliva or something else that it's airborne upon and just grab it, put it under electron microscope and go, there it is, right?
And they have not done that.
That's what you're saying.
I'm trying to.
It's so goofy that you say to them, okay, can you take, you know, like the mucus of somebody with COVID, right?
They say there's swarming with COVID viruses.
Right.
60,000 nanometers.
100 million per sneeze.
Yeah.
And you say, okay, can you show, you know, purify the COVID virus?
We have ways of doing that, right?
Purifying things much smaller than that.
You ask any analytical chemist if they could purify something the size of a virus, and they say they could do it in a half an hour.
So they say, no, you can't do it.
Why can't you do it?
There's two reasons, they say.
One, they're not enough viruses to see.
So wait a minute, how many were there?
100 million per sneeze.
You mean, and you can't like get a net and catch the sneeze and find even one?
No, you can't.
The other reason they say is because, Tom, you idiot.
Viruses are intracellular parasites.
That means they have to live inside the cell.
That, by the way, is what's called a reification fallacy, which means I know unicorns are pink because I know it.
But first you have to show there's this thing as a unicorn and then show that it's pink, right?
So you can't go claiming that unicorns are pink before you've shown there's actually a unicorn.
So you can't claim it's an intracellular parasite until it's been shown to exist and in the cell.
But anyways, let's forget about that.
So they say, Tom, it's an intracellular parasite.
You can't separate it from the tissue.
It can't live like that.
Okay.
So how does it get from one person to another?
Inside the cell?
No, you idiot.
It gets outside the cell and then travels to the next guy.
Wait a minute.
You just told me that it can't get outside of the cell and live.
And now you're telling me it gets outside of the cell and flies through the air and infects the next person.
Those two can't be true.
And yet those are the two reasons why they claim they can't find a virus.
They say you have to concentrate it, meaning you take the snot and you put it on the monkey kidney cells and you take away them food and you have it kidney antibiotics.
And by the way, it doesn't grow on lung cells.
Somebody asked me what they should do about that.
I said, just add lung anti, toxic antibiotics, and then it'll grow on lung cells.
So you have to have that.
Everybody listening to this is thinking, all right, this guy makes sense, but these people can't be that stupid.
And you're saying they are.
I'm saying, show me the study where they isolated, purified a virus from somebody who's sick, and I will come back on your show and say I was wrong.
And I know that that is never going to happen.
It's okay.
And again, we're assuming in the context of the show, they don't exist.
So you have to have some Beliefs or theories about how people get sick.
You just went through your garbage analogy.
I told you.
Yeah, you did.
You just went through the garbage analogy.
And the main thing is sick is not what we think it is.
All right, we'll go into that.
That's the psyop.
Well, this is your body's way of healing.
This is what you, when you were going through that about the splinter, I said shit really loud.
I didn't mute my mic and I should have, but I said shit really loud, remembering I've been an athlete most of my life, not a good one.
And I've had constantly sprained ankles.
And the interesting thing to me is my ankles would swell up to the point where I couldn't use them.
And every doctor said, we got to get rid of the swelling.
And I thought, why?
That allows me to bend the ankle.
So they would get rid of the swelling and then they would wrap it up so I couldn't use the ankle, which is what the swelling was doing.
Right.
Always wondered about that to the point where it's crazy.
Yeah, I am in the habit.
Swelling is your body's way of immobilizing your foot so you don't hurt it.
Swelling is like a natural cast, is it not?
It's your body's way of immobilizing your foot so you don't keep running and risk hurting the foot.
Okay, so that's obvious.
It's simple and obvious.
This is not.
Okay, then.
Sorry, Bob.
I didn't mean to interrupt.
Oh, Lex.
Why do they tell us to put ice on the swelling?
Same dumb reason or no?
Same dumb reason.
Okay, all right.
I'll leave it at that.
I don't even want to say that.
Now, it's true that it may get you to be able to play in the NBA a day sooner.
But that's why they keep hurting themselves.
Okay.
That's what it also says.
This was for me my NBA career at 5'9.
Yeah, that you will keep, you know, if you keep going like this and then you get a swelling here and you can't do that anymore, your body is saying, don't do that.
And if you cut it off or ice it or something, and then you do it, eventually your arm will get worse.
Okay.
That's not hard to understand, guys.
Sure.
Understood.
Let me ask this question.
I'm going all over the place, I know.
But I just read an article, and I know you're going to say, don't believe that article.
It's stupid.
There seems to be, according to this article, a bigger incidence of cancer in young people.
And you just told me cancer is the body's way of saying too much garbage in this place.
I have nowhere to put it.
I'm going to create a tumor.
What's going on, if that is true, in fact, or at least partially true, with the young people in cancer?
Is that you know how many vaccines, which are basically that's cell cultures with all those poisons in them and metals, get before the age of one?
Yep.
It's actually like 36 now.
It's like 70.
That's incredible.
I couldn't believe it.
Can you, would you ever go to your doctor and get 70 shots in a year?
No, I barely wanted to get the COVID one and I got forced.
Yeah, same error.
You didn't get forced.
Nobody forced anybody to do that.
Well, you should have seen the forcing I got.
Bobby held me down.
He stuck it in my neck.
So, you know, there's drugs.
Here, there's four reasons people get sick.
Okay.
Number one, they fall off a horse, right?
You break your arm.
You got injured, right?
Injured.
Number two, you're starving.
You don't have the nutrients.
Now, that's also starving for shelter and security and financial security and warmth and love and nutrients and clean water and a safe place to live, et cetera, right?
All those things make people sick.
Number three, the biggie, which is you're poisoned.
You can be poisoned from EMFs, chemtrails, vaccines, antibiotics, you know, glyphosate, pesticides, herbicides.
I could go on.
Stuff in food, fluoride in the water.
You know, there's hundreds of ways.
And I used to think it was those three, but with COVID, I realized the actual biggest one is you're delusional.
Because if you think, if you believe in make-believe stuff.
Now, the way I explain this, I have a cat named Pumpkin.
And Pumpkin, when he goes outside, he looks around, he sniffs the air and he wags his tail.
He's trying to sense where there's danger and where there's food, right?
Imagine if you could tell Pumpkin, Pumpkin, there's something out there that's going to get you, but you can't smell it or taste it.
You have no sensory impression of it at all.
First of all, he wouldn't believe me because he's smarter than that.
But he would run and hide under the bed, right?
Because he doesn't know what's out there.
He can't sense it or anything.
And then he wouldn't eat because he's afraid he's going to go outside.
And then his cat friends would say, oh, you're not looking so good, pumpkin.
It must be the virus.
Right, right.
Next thing you know, he's a basket case.
So if you believe in nonsense, it's genetic.
You know, what the main thing you're taught in medical school is it has nothing to do with what a patient does.
That's called blaming the victim.
You go to the doctor, what happened?
It's either viruses, bad luck, or genetics, right?
You didn't do anything.
It's not that you hate your wife.
It's not that you never moved.
It's not that you sit around all day and eat candy.
None of that.
It's just that you have bad genetics.
That's a way of making the people, a friend of mine said there's only one disease, and that's called victim consciousness.
That's what we've made humanity into victims.
You have no agency.
You got no agency with your money, right?
You guys know a lot about money.
It's all the government.
They do it all for you, et cetera.
Don't worry about it.
You got nothing to do with what happens.
Just fork over 50% of your wages and we're all good here.
That's how they do it.
You have no agency.
You're a victim.
Get over it.
All right.
So I got three quick things before I ask you a question that I think is going to have a long answer to it.
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You can also watch Jimmy and I on the Trady Air Hub.
Lex told us at the beginning of the show what time that show is on.
Lex, you want to tell him again before I say the third thing?
9 a.m.
Central Time Thursdays live.
Yes, sir.
All right.
And then as part of my, this will be my last question, Lex, if you have another one.
As part of it, I have to show this really quick.
It is the Dr. Tom Cohen website.
And here's the books.
Okay.
So, Tom, which book, based on this conversation, and if it's multiple books, let them know.
This is obviously drtomcohen.com.
Which book?
Cowen.
I'm sorry, Cowen.
I keep saying that wrong.
Which book is the one you would want people to buy or which two in order to go to?
Common sense child rearing.
That's down here.
Okay.
Lastly, I wanted to ask you, and again, Lex, if you have another question, feel free to ask it before we close out the show.
If you had unlimited funding, what does a Tom Cowen CDC look like?
And are you an RFK guy to add to that?
I am definitely not an RFK guy, and I would close the CDC because it's the center for deception and corruption.
And we don't need that.
We don't need a government.
And all that is happening now is a scam to make people think that the government is going to fix your problems.
I believe that.
I turned into a meme somehow on the screen.
I don't know what you're saying.
I see that.
That's amazing.
I gave the thumbs up.
But before we go, Tom, can I ask you two quickies?
Sure.
And they can be yes, no's.
Supplements.
Yes, no, maybe so.
You know, omega-3s, NAC, all that stuff.
And then plastics and drinking water.
I never drink out.
Yes, that plastic is, you don't want plastic anywhere near water for sure or any liquid or food, really.
But the supplement thing, so basically there's no evidence that there are things called vitamins or omega-3s in living organisms.
Again, the reason I say that is because the question you have to ask is how did they find it?
Remember the fruit fly thing?
And nobody has ever isolated a vitamin, B vitamin C, directly from any organism.
They always have to use chemicals and other procedures which are not controlled, right?
So you don't know whether the chemicals made something appear which wasn't there in the first place.
Now, if somebody can find them without doing that, I change my tune and say they're there.
But I am not convinced now.
So at the end of the day, you eat food because the food makes you feel or has a certain effect on you.
In other words, you don't eat beef because it has protein or whatever.
You eat beef because, first of all, people have always eaten animal products and they've always tried to have the animals be as healthy as they could, which seems ridiculous to say.
Like, what, what, you mean it's not good to eat sick animals?
Well, no, right?
I mean, that's ridiculous.
So, and then when people who do that live long, healthy lives, people who say there's this or that chemical in something, and I'm going to take this or that chemical, that's the delusional thinking.
So those kind of supplements, no.
But if you're talking about like taking a plant extract, that's fine.
Okay.
Okay.
It's funny.
I just had a conversation with a relative about this where he literally walked up to me and said, what supplements do you think I should take while he was eating a store-bought boxed ice cream cone that he got off the shelf?
And I said, well, the first thing you should do is look at the ingredients of that ice cream in the cone.
There's actually no dairy in it.
Like it's not ice cream.
It's a chemical formation that looks and tastes like ice cream.
So I would say, don't worry about supplements.
Stop eating that crap.
Start eating more beef from Independence Ark Farm, which is a plug that I threw in right there.
You know, when people ask me about, so Tom, you mean I should read ingredients, right?
I say no, because if it has ingredients, don't eat it.
Right.
Like, I know what a carrot is, right?
I can see it.
And I can know what an apple is.
And I know what a piece of beef is.
And I know what lard is.
And maybe it says on the thing lard, you know, and I might have to ask the farmer, like, how did you raise the pig?
But that's not ingredients, right?
That's just lard and beef and carrots and apples.
And if people remember anything, if you do that, you'll probably be fine.
Okay.
Bob, do we have to run?
Because, you know, we got to go.
But Tom, thank you so much for being here, man.
I'd like to have you on again in a few weeks.
We got to give the people a break and go back to finance at some point.
But I just have a million more questions.
Me too.
Thank you so much for being here, Lex.
Thanks for subbing for Jimmy.
We'll have Jimmy back next week.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
I guess we'll find out.
But you are the permanent replacement for me or Jimmy, Lex, if you don't mind on that.
I love it.
Tom, thank you so much for your time.
Again, where can people find you?
Mostly drtomcollen.com.
Lex, where can people find you?
CloverLex on Twitter, but mainly on hub.tradier.com.
That's the best place.
And you can find me here.
Again, remember our newsletter.
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And remember, Independent Ark Farms, grass-fed.
It's weird that you should have to say grass-fed, grass-finished.
They should all be grass-fed, grass-finished.
What are you supposed to feed a cow?
Yeah, I know.
I mean, it's like, it's like, that's what they eat.
But apparently there's other things in there.
Guys, thank you so much.
You guys, thanks for watching.
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