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June 16, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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The Raw Deal (16 June 2025) with co-host Paul from CA
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Repeating, this is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, right here on Studio B on Revolution Radio Live, the 16th day of June, 2025.
Amazing developments taking place.
Pakistan has told Iran they will nuke Israel if NetYahu uses nukes against Iran.
Pakistan is set to drop nukes on Israel, who uses nukes on Iran, according to a top Iranian officer.
General Mohsen Razay, a senior officer in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, member of Iran's National Security Council, said in an interview, Pakistan has assured us that Pakistan and Israel are two of the nine countries currently possessing nuclear weapons, according to experts.
As he claimed, Pakistan has vowed to stand behind Iran and called on the Islamic world to unite against Israel.
Today, Pakistan's defense minister Denied the claims, remarkably saying, Pakistan is a signatory to all international nuclear disciplines.
Our nuclear capability is for our people's benefit and defense against hostile designs.
Last night, he noted, the world appears to be teetering on the edge of conflict as a result of the escalating attacks in the Middle East.
I frankly welcome this announcement in the belief that it was sincere.
There's a second report actually on Israeli television.
This is from last night.
Pakistan has threatened to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike against Israel if nuclear weapons are used against Iran.
Thank you.
Ah, here we go.
Okay.
Now we appear to be on the air.
I'll repeat the original stories here, which are quite significant, including that You don't hear me?
No.
That's why I just called.
I'm getting nothing.
Jeez.
It should be, I don't see any muting.
I seem to be unmuted.
What else can I do?
Can you hear me now?
Can you hear me now?
Can you hear me now?
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Can you hear me now?
My inference is that I can now be heard.
Meanwhile, we have the reports with which I began to wit that Pakistan is threatened to nuke Iran, nuke Israel if Israel nukes Iran.
But it's a disputed report now.
More than a Pakistani official has declared it to be untrue, even though we have a second report here and that it was on Israeli television.
Here is that second report.
Pravda.
Pakistan has threatened to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike against Israel if nuclear weapons are used against Iran.
Israeli television Channel 10 reported citing its sources.
Pakistan is threatened to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike against Israel if nuclear weapons are used against Iran.
Israeli television Channel 10 reported citing its sources.
According to the TV station Islamabad, has already sent a warning to Washington in the context of discussion about possible U.S. participation in a military operation against Iran.
A particular concern is mentioned above as a possible attack on the Fordow nuclear facility.
Now, let me mention, Iran has, as of a vote by parliament this morning, withdrawn from the non-proliferation treaty.
That means that Iran is now entitled to acquire nukes, to use nukes.
They're no longer constrained by international law.
Whether Pakistan is there to assist or not, this becomes in a way a mute issue because I'm quite confident that given they're no longer participants in the NPT and other nuclear-armed nations such as North Korea and Turkey, And even Pakistan will provide Iran with nukes.
I have been told they actually do possess some already, though it's been denied in the past, and I have believed the Iranian authorities.
Meanwhile now, rumors are swirling that Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran, has been killed by Israeli strikes.
Here's the story.
Multiple reports are surfacing that suggest Iran's Supreme Leader, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, has been killed as a result of Israeli airstrikes.
No confirmation has been given officially, though some of the reports indicate that they may be forthcoming.
Most of the reporting is coming from media inside Iran.
Including independent associated with its political opposition.
If the reports prove accurate, the situation on the ground in Iran and in the capital of Tehran may be about to shift even more than they do from the impacts of Israeli airstrikes and no specific indication of when the alleged death occurred.
Here we have again a report.
Claiming the Supreme Leader has been killed multiple sources.
Meanwhile, the Revolutionary Guards are touting their success, purported success in turning Israeli air defenses upon one another.
In other words, using Israeli air defenses to destroy Israeli air defenses.
Here's the report.
Following a second day of ballistic missile attacks on Israeli territory, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, which operates the country's arsenal, has reported the use of new methods to accelerate the depletion of Israeli air defenses.
This was achieved by making anti-missile systems surface-to-air missiles shoot down one another.
Thus also increasing the success rates of missile attacks against Israeli targets.
During this operation, thanks to the use of new methods and capabilities in intelligence and equipment, the multi-level defense command and control systems of the enemy failed and began to attack each other, the Guard Corps announced.
The credibility of these claims and whether any anti-ballistic missiles have hit one another or simply been wasted remains uncertain.
Missile strikes began to be launched from Iran in response to Israeli airstrikes on multiple Iranian targets on June 13, including government agencies, the residences of scientists and officials, military bases and nuclear power plants.
The Guard Corps has borne a brunt of responsibility for launching retaliatory strikes and operates Iran's entire ballistic missile arsenal as well as the bulk of its fleet of attack drones.
Meanwhile, and this is extremely revealing as have been statements by Donald Trump indicating he was in on this from the beginning.
U.S. forward deployed dozens of aerial tankers amid possible entry into the Israel-Iran war.
The U.S. Air Force has made an unprecedented mass deployment of KC-135 and KC-46 aerial tankers across the Atlantic from bases on the American mainland, fueling considerable speculation of the aircraft.
May be intended to participate in the ongoing Israel-Iranian war.
The number of aircraft has continued to rise and was reported in the late hours of June 15th, West Coast time, to have exceeded 30 tankers from multiple Western countries have also been reported participating, supporting Israeli Air Force aerial refueling efforts.
to facilitate strikes on Iran, raising the possibility these newly deployed tankers may be intended to similarly refuel Israeli assets.
Another significant possibility is that the aircraft are intended to refuel US Air Force and US Navy fighters and bombers should the United States more actively enter the war.
The U.S. is already an active participant in hostilities, has deployed THAAD, Air Defense System, and Aegis destroyers to support efforts to shoot down Iranian ballistic missiles being fired at Iranian targets.
American intel support and satellite guidance for Israeli-guided weapons have also reportedly been provided.
In fact, the Russians and the Iranians have both observed These attacks could not be proceeding without United States' complicity.
I believe Donald Trump is going to lose massive support from within the mega movement because we were played by him into believing he was going to end these stupid wars when, in fact, he's been acting as a proxy for Israel.
He appears to be a stooge of Bibi Tanya, who fought I for one.
I am completely disgusted.
Here we have Marjorie Taylor Greene breaking with Trump, blasting mega hawks over the Iran war.
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, whom I admire beyond words, is among the few mega voices in Congress I would add so far.
What increasingly looks like inevitable American involvement in the Israel-Iran war currently spinning dangerously out of control.
We earlier detailed that seems a majority in Congress are either contentful at Israel pounding Iran as a matter of Israel's right to defend itself or else are outright willing to join the conflict on some level.
This, as Washington is making moves in clear support of Israel.
President Trump himself over the weekend told EBC, we're not involved in it, which is a blatant lie.
It is possible we could get involved.
We already are.
But we are not at this moment involved.
Pants on fire.
and there's a wide thread of report dozens of u s tankers have in the last hours taken off from the united states in toward europe here we have a report from a james jeffrey Let's hear what he has.
Also, thank you for having me on at this very critical time.
Not at this point, because Iran was given from...
every indication a really good deal by President Trump to even continue for some time, it was unclear, enrichment in order to end this crisis.
And the Iranians instead, as you just reported, accelerated their enrichment dramatically such So surprise!
There's also an alarming new report.
As far as that's familiar, the matter has told antiwar.com.
Director Scott Horton, the Trump admin is poised to enter Israel's aggressive war against Iran directly.
U.S. airstrikes on Iran could begin as soon as Monday.
Axios said Saturday, Israelis are formally requesting the White House and Pentagon to support the war effort.
Which need to completely demolish Iran's nuclear program for which U.S. heavy bunker buster bombs are needed as well as long-range bomber warplanes.
A tiny handful of congressional voices like MGT are loudly warning against yet another American military quagmire in the Middle East as a region is burning once again.
Everyone is finding out who are real America vs.
Megan who are fake.
Just because it was popular.
Unfortunately, the list of fakes is becoming quite long.
He's posing himself quickly.
Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel-Iran war is not an America-versus-Mega.
Wishing for murder of innocent people is disgusting.
We are sick and tired of foreign wars, all of them.
And this one will quickly engulf the Middle East bricks and NATO as countries are required to take a side.
Real America vs.
America wants world peace for all people.
Doesn't want our military killed or forever injured physically and mentally.
We love our U.S. military.
Love them helping to secure our borders and our cities for the defense of our people and our country.
This is really outrageous.
This is what Marjorie Taylor Greene is tweeting, and she's got it exactly right.
Paul, you're here.
I would appreciate hearing your thoughts, especially about Marjorie's take and how you see this as shaping up.
Your thoughts, Paul.
Well, as you know, I don't put a lot of stock in what I – So let the missiles fly.
I mean, we've been hearing about this forever, right?
It's going to come.
It's going to happen.
They've been programming this forever.
You know, World War III, well, Russia and China is going to get involved, and the U.S. is going to get involved, and it's going to, okay, fine.
All right, let's see it.
It's kind of the same way with nuclear weapons, you know?
Again, we've never done a show on that.
We've talked about it back and forth, but we should at least one time devote a minimum of an hour or more on a show to really get into it because there's a lot of material out there.
I personally don't believe in nukes, and it's convenient because we can claim that Iran has them.
We don't really have any evidence of it.
And then they can say, oh, they're a danger, and they can attack because that's what they want to do.
They want to attack anyway.
I actually don't even believe in these long-range missiles.
It's something that they've never done.
I don't believe that they can get that far, what they claim.
I don't think they can go 6,000, 10,000 miles like they claim.
It just doesn't add up.
When you compare the V2 rockets in Germany and you compare a Minuteman in terms of the size and the fuel, you can look up the stats yourself.
The V2 had a range of 189 miles.
Top.
That was as far as they could go.
189 miles.
And the rocket motors they're using today are not that much more sophisticated than the V2.
There are three stages now.
Not just the one stage the V2 had.
But in terms of the amount of fuel they can carry and the distance that they're expected to go and to hit their targets with any accuracy, it's not been done.
Short range, yeah.
But long range, no.
I don't believe it at all.
That's my opinion.
All right, hearing two very contrasting points of view, I certainly believe the existence of nukes.
I wish they did not.
Paul, however, doesn't think there are any nukes, which is, to my mind, quite incredible.
I believe the most important film, Motion Picture Ever Made, Dr. Strangelove, by Stanley Kubrick.
Warning of the hazards of nuclear war ought to be viewed by every citizen of the world at least once a year.
Meanwhile, there's no doubt about the U.S. quietly sent Israel hundreds of Hellfire missiles while touting diplomacy.
In other words, the whole diplomatic thing has been a monstrous fraud.
The United States has not been acting in good faith.
The purpose was that the lull ran into a false sense of belief that perhaps they weren't going to be subjected to attack, that perhaps there could be a nuclear agreement.
And that one I shut off, talking as though Trump gave them a good deal.
Trump was requiring them to abandon all nuclear enrichment, even for peaceful purposes, which is all they've ever done or ever claimed to do.
The point of all that propaganda is just insulting the American people.
Here we have a report from Information Liberation.
The U.S. was shipping hundreds of Hellfire missiles to Israel while President Trump was out touting his push for diplomacy with Iran, according to a new report from the Middle East High.
Exclusive.
U.S. quietly sent hundreds of Hellfire missiles to Israel before the Iran attack.
U.S. quietly delivered hundreds of Hellfire missiles to Israel before its unprecedented attack on Iran on Friday, Middle East, I can reveal.
U.S. sent around 300 Hellfire missiles to Israel Tuesday in a large-scale stock of a supply before the attack.
And that Trump Admin was saying it was ready to continue engaging Iran in nuclear talks just to cover.
The transfer of such a large quantity suggests that Trump Admin was well informed of Israel's plans to attack the Islamic Republic to U.S. officials, told Middle East Eye on condition of anonymity.
Trump himself, by the way, has admitted he knew the date that he'd given the Iranians 60 days.
To come to the negotiating table and meet his demands that they give up all enrichment, which was a no-brainer, a non-starter for Iran.
And on day 61, Israel struck.
The U.S. delivery of hellfires or other large quantities of weapons in the lead-up to the rise attack has not been previously reported.
The U.S. helped shoot down Iranian missiles headed toward Israel to officials.
This is not all that surprising, considering Trump re-harmed Israel during their so-called negotiated ceasefire with Gaza, only for the Jewish state to swiftly break the ceasefire and accelerate the genocide.
Here have reporters, Reuters reporting, we knew everything.
Trump tells Reuters about Israel's strike on Iran.
I'm actually shocked the Iranians were caught off guard by this, considering Trump and America's history had duplicity and backstabbing.
Assuming the U.S. will pursue anything but Israel's interest at this point is just a pipe dream.
I agree.
Meanwhile, Iran is retaliating.
We have a...
The U.S. sends billions of dollars in money, weapons, ammunition, other types of equipment, all other types of support to sustain Israeli military operations both against the Palestinians and all of Israel's other neighbors in the region, Lebanon, Syria, targets in Iraq, Yemen, and of course now Iran.
They would not be able to sustain these combat operations without constant and full support from the US.
And even though the United States was using negotiations to shape the narrative and the diplomatic environment to bring this conflict about and to create America's position amid this conflict and attempt to kind of distance itself from it, now we have This from ABC News.
This is American media.
Trump tells ABC Israel strike on Iran excellent and warns more to come.
And down here it says a U.S. source familiar with the intelligence on the strike told ABC News the U.S. provided exquisite intelligence and will help defend Israel if needed, especially against ballistic missiles which are expected to be launched from Iran.
And again, you have to remember, launched from Iran as a form of retaliation.
Trump had told the Wall Street Journal on Friday.
That the U.S. knew what was going on and was aware of Israel's plans to attack because the U.S. planned the attack from A to Z and facilitated Israel in carrying it out from A to Z. Later Friday, Iran retaliated against Israel by firing ballistic missiles towards Tel Aviv.
A U.S. official confirmed to ABC News that the U.S. was assisting in shooting down missiles targeting Israel.
And this is what the U.S. So, of course, it's going to continue.
We're helping to shoot down the Iranian missiles, but I dare say, not having a whole lot of success.
Meanwhile, large numbers in Congress back Israel's attack on Iran.
Following the opening salvo and Israel's bombardment of Iran, many members of Congress rushed to declare their support for the Jewish state.
Some went further, demanding the White House defend Tel Aviv from retaliation.
A small number of lawmakers criticized Israel and heard Washington to stay out of the conflict.
We're on break.
We'll be right back.
We'll be right back.
Am I broadcasting or not?
Oh, fuck.
This is just awful.
Thank you.
I think it's just a fuck up on my computer, Michael.
I have no doubt.
Yeah, I'll see if I can do anything.
Thank you for letting me know.
Bye.
Well, maybe we've got finally a connection here with Studio D live.
I'd like to believe it.
I'd like to believe it.
I'm hearing sounds encouraging that it may be the case that we're on.
I'm hearing sounds.
Let us continue.
Iran is retaliating, as we know.
Here we have the moment of Fatah hypersonic missile struck Haifa.
This is an image on X. Am I on?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Michael.
So here we have the moment that it happens.
There's a lot going on here.
More.
U.S. helped shoot down barrage of Iranian missiles.
AP reporting.
Washington, American air defense systems and a Navy destroyer helped Israel shoot down incoming ballistic missiles Friday that Tehran launched.
In response to Israeli strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities and top military leaders.
The U.S. has both ground-based Patriot missile defense system and terminal high-altitude air defense systems, those are the THAADs, in Middle East capable of intercepting ballistic missiles, which Iran is firing in multiple barrages.
Colonel McGregor on the conflict.
There are no better commentators.
Okay.
And I'm not too far from Iran, so with Iran's nuclear facilities being struck, it's always on my mind.
Do you think it's a valid concern?
I don't know.
It's hard to tell.
I think we're in the land if anything is possible.
So we're going to kick it off.
We're already live, Colonel.
I appreciate your time.
It's a pleasure to see you again.
Last time we spoke, one of the red lines that we had since October 7th, which is a confrontation between Hezbollah and Israel, that line was crossed and the two countries were in, or the two militaries were in full-blown war.
Today we've got the last red line that's been crossed, which is a direct confrontation, direct war between Israel and Iran.
What's your initial reaction after you saw what happened two days ago and where we are today?
Well, I wrote something that you may or may not have seen that came out on X, where I talk about what I think needs to happen as quickly as possible.
If you haven't seen it, then I urge you to look at it, because I think it's a way out of this terrible situation we're in.
I was not entirely surprised at what the Israelis did, but I was surprised that we were complicit in it.
We seem to have deliberately lulled the Iranians into a situation where they thought, There was still going to be another round of talks and that there was still some possibility of a settlement, when in reality it's pretty clear we decided that that was not the case.
And whether we intended it at the very top or this is something that happened without the complete knowledge and understanding of the president, I don't know.
But the point is that we are now in a terrible position because no one in the world believes anything we say.
And that's no understatement.
It's a very difficult position for the United States to be in.
Normally we've been able to talk with some measure of credibility, but right now none.
And what Iran has done is it has turned what was always a competition strategically in the region to some extent into an existential fight.
Iran understands very clearly that it is staring into the abyss, that Israel is committed to its total destruction.
Not simply regime change, but destruction of the Iranian state.
And the Iranians are reacting as best they can under the circumstances.
Remember, initially they were caught off guard.
That's why I referred to Iran's position as Pearl Harbor-like.
They were not prepared for what was done to them, but they recovered very quickly, surprisingly quickly, in ways that I don't think the Israelis expected.
And the intensity of this fight is increasing, and I don't see any evidence.
That either side is prepared to relent.
But now the plea is obviously for US military intervention into the conflict.
And the question is, will we do that?
And I don't have an easy answer.
Many people here assume that will happen automatically.
I don't.
I think President Trump will think about it, as he should.
They've also started targeting oil facilities.
We saw that I think in the latest wave last night.
Is that a change of strategy for Israel, or is that just in response to Iran's retaliation, which one would say is expected?
You know, it's hard to tell.
I think initially the first rounds of strikes were oriented on a decapitation strategy.
Now it's moved beyond decapitation to destroy whatever Iran's source of national military power, national industrial and economic power may be.
So I think everything is on the table now.
That's the bad news.
In other words, nothing is off the table.
You'll see me looking down as I see what the latest developments are as well, because obviously the war is ongoing as we speak.
So Israel braces for possible missile strikes, shelter orders in effect.
So the breaking news at the bottom of the screen is live right now.
There's a shelter order as of a few minutes ago.
I want to go back to the decapitation strike by Israel.
How effective do you think it was?
You've got a whole bunch of commanders.
I'm sure you've seen the list.
You've got the head of the IRGC, the head of the Iranian Armed Forces, the IRGC commander, who's the commander of the Qatam al-Abiyah Central Headquarters, the aerospace commander.
The list goes on.
Over 20 senior commanders.
We've got about nine nuclear scientists as well.
And we've got a lot of facilities that were hit.
The nuclear facilities, two of them were hit.
Ballistic missile drone capabilities were struck.
Well, if it had been as effective as the Israelis had hoped, then I think Iran would behave like a beached whale at this point and simply be a target for more and more Israeli strikes.
The problem when you attack people at the top of any structure is very straightforward.
Those people will be replaced.
And the assumption that you've struck someone who's indispensable is absurd.
You know, Charles de Gaulle was once approached by one of his general officers and said, you know, Mr. President, you need to be protected.
After all, you are indispensable.
And de Gaulle laughed and said, the cemeteries are full of indispensable men.
It's simply not the case.
Stalin killed off a substantial number of Soviet officers in the run-up to the Second World War.
In particular, most of the senior ranks, what did that do?
It created opportunities for younger officers, many of whom were actually smarter, tougher, more energetic, and committed than their predecessors.
So I would think you might have a similar situation occur in Iran.
So the notion that you're going to kill a few people, and listen, if you're not killing thousands, you're killing a few, is going to somehow turn the situation around to your advantage is delusional.
I'm just going to chat it to the team as they give me updates now live while we speak.
I want to go back to the reports, going back to the initial strike again.
Alas, I'm told that McGregor's report was coming in and out.
Let's turn to other sources.
Here we have antiwar.com declaring U.S. will enter Israel's war with Iran.
I think there's no doubt about it.
Sending all the tankers was a certain move in that direction.
Source that's familiar with the matter, I've told Anywhere.com editorial director Scott Horton.
The Trump admin is poised to enter Israel's aggressive war against Iran directly.
U.S. airstrikes on Iran could begin as soon as Monday, that is, today.
Please contact the White House.
Send an email.
Call a comment line.
Beginning at 10 a.m., the number, 202-456-1111.
202-456-1111.
Come, you don't want the U.S. to enter this disastrous war, which could lead to heavy American casualties across all I know.
"No, it's not gonna make any difference whatsoever.
"I'm reporting what The U.S. has supported the war by reportedly providing Israel with intel and helping intercept Iranian missiles and drones, but so far there have been no direct U.S. attacks on Iran.
Iranian officials have warned that Tehran would hit U.S. bases in the region in response to any U.S. strikes.
You can anticipate they are coming.
Paul, I can tell you want to add thoughts.
Go right for it.
Tell me.
Well, I mean, you know, sure, I guess I always want to add thoughts.
I was just chuckling.
I'm assuming as a co-host I can chuckle now and then at the stories that you read.
You know, the idea of calling the White House, writing your congressman, you know, if people don't know at this point, it's just there's no point.
So anyway, in the intervening moments while you were reading these stories and so forth, I decided to do a little research.
I put research in air quotes, right?
So I just looked up the current population of Israel, you know, as the most recent estimate.
Care to guess the current population of Israel?
Oh, the current population of Israel, about 6 mil, maybe?
Yeah, 9.4 million.
9.4 million.
There's a lot of U.S. cities that are bigger than that, right?
Now, care to guess the current best estimate for Iran's population?
60 million.
92. 92, okay.
Yeah, they had 80-something million people back in 2016, which would have put them about the size of Germany in World War II.
During World War II, Germany started out with a population around 80 million, and England was down there around, I believe it was near 60 million, like I said, at the time of World War II.
So how in God's green earth can a country of 9 million people You know, a little small country right on the edge of the Mediterranean there.
Make war on a country of nearly 100 million people.
And as it says here with Iran, it's got a so-called oil-based economy with a diverse industrial base.
And we all know they're smart people.
When I was in college, in all the chemistry and math classes, people always hoped there weren't a bunch of Iranians or Persians in the class because they would push up the grade curve because they were studious.
And, you know, so we know that they do have technology and so on.
So this has to be a war, a desired war by the U.S. The U.S. is the one, in my opinion, that is instigating it using Israel as a proxy.
Because it's going to be all U.S. weapons and U.S. technology.
So I believe it's really very accurate what our...
And Trump is just an instrument.
I mean, I made this point many times.
He either has real power and agency or he doesn't.
And I think we can draw the conclusion based upon his first presidency and how he was opposed and the way that he is now being, in many ways, hemmed in here in his second presidency, You know, the kind of real authority that the American people want to see from him.
And so in many cases, it's just like I've said before, what good is he?
He's just going to do the bidding of the, shall we say, Judeo-centric military-industrial complex, which for some reason or another has got an itch to make war on Iran.
And I can't claim to understand all the reasons for these people there.
They're psychos.
Well, of course, the original plan to take out the governments of seven countries in the next five years following 9 /11, which, as we know, is an Israeli op, aided and abetted by the CIA and the Neocon Department of Defense, where Dick Cheney, Vice President, may also have been the executive director of events on the ground.
Right, but do we really know it was Israeli, Jim?
That would be my point.
Paula, let me just add a few comments here.
I mean, I'm appreciating your comments.
I like them.
I mean, it would be completing the Greater Israel Project, you know, taking out all the modern Arab states that served as a counterbalance, Israel's domination of the entire region, and ultimately to confront the Persian nation of Iran, which has remained as Israel's sole rival for domination in the Middle East.
So I think the motivation is Pretty obvious, and while you're suggesting the U.S. is using Israel as its proxy, I would suggest the relationship is the other way around, that the United States has been placed at the disposal of Israel.
Look at the anti-Semitism laws, for example.
They're absurd, they're un-American, they violate the First Amendment, but we're moving forward with them anyway.
Look at the role of AIPAC.
They have a handler in virtually every office in Congress, both the House and the Senate.
With the exception of Thomas Massey, according to his report, our government is Israeli-occupied territory.
So how you can suggest that they are the proxy and we're running the show when I think the evidence is simply overwhelming?
It's the other way around.
But, Paul, I appreciate all your comments.
Here we have Trump telling the Post, I always knew the date for the Israeli attack on Iran.
Washington.
President Trump told about Friday he knew Israel would strike Iran if the theocratic state didn't quickly agree to a revived nuclear deal with the U.S., and that's one in which they gave up all nuclear enrichment and therefore their peaceful nuclear energy program.
I always knew the date that President said in a brief phone interview.
Because I know everything.
I know everything.
I know everything, declares Donald Trump.
I gave him 60 days, and they didn't mean it.
Trump went on, today, 61. You know, today's day 61. The president never publicly revealed the 60-day deadline, though its existence had been reported by Israeli media until after Israel launched Thursday's attack.
It had been coy about whether he fully supported giving Prime Minister, you know, a green light to strike.
Go ahead, Paul, your thoughts.
Go ahead.
Well, again, I would just make the point that, okay, you know, just for the fun of it, I sent you an image in your email.
Why don't you grab that real quick and put it up?
Because I'm sure everybody will remember, and I'm sure you will remember this image.
Paul, you're talking about Mayor Daley.
No, no, no.
That's a video.
This morning, I sent you an image.
It's a well-known one that you may or may not remember.
I'm sure as soon as you see it, you'll chuckle.
But remember when B.B. Netanyahu, I believe it was like 13 years ago or so, unfolded a little diagram on American TV and showed a bomb.
Yeah, that was before the United Nations.
Yeah, he's used these kind of maps before.
Yeah, and some of the best comments on the original, for example, there's an original YouTube video about it where somebody's saying, did that bomb come from Acme?
You remember the Acme company in the Roadrunner series, the cartoons?
But anyway, the image, in my opinion, says it all to me.
This is how I feel about it in terms of just overall, you know, a picture's worth a thousand words.
Well, we all agree.
Have you found it yet?
We all agree there's nothing to the claims that Iran has been developing nukes, Paul.
We all agree with that.
And yeah, Mimi's been playing this song and dance for over 30 years claiming Iran's on the verge of having a nuclear weapon.
You know, as though it happened next week.
And then next week comes, and he says, yeah, it'll be next week.
You know, in other words, he's trading on ambiguities and vagaries, which, of course, is his stock.
Precisely.
Well, on nothing, completely nothing.
And this is my point, okay?
And just for the fun of it, just entertain me for a few minutes here.
We've got almost two hours to kill here.
So since you've already shown by a lot of your research that, you know, so many things are fake, Right?
It's not that far of a stretch to think that the whole thing, in other words, it's just like from, you know, 1984, right?
Where, you know, Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.
In reality, East Asia has never been at war with Oceania, right?
They were just pretending.
I think that some of these images we're seeing, to be honest with you, if I had my, if I was a betting man, that some of these images were being shown of Iranian missiles striking Israel are probably...
That's how far I think the fraud could go.
Whether it's actual or not, I don't know, because we're not there.
At this point, I would almost have to see, you know, the launch batteries in Iran, right?
And as is in Israel as well, and follow them from point A to point B to believe the authenticity of any of the claims being made in this war theater.
And again, I'm going on the fact that when you think about so many things in this world that we're shown on TV and told in the news are completely fraudulent and made up, we have to be wary of any – That's just my take on the matter for the moment.
I'm glad to have it, Paul.
I'm glad to have it.
Meanwhile, here we have Scott Ritter talking about the relative military capabilities of the two sides.
I'm very impressed with Scott.
Military capabilities of Israel and Iran, Scott.
So active personnel, Israel's at 170,000, Iran's at 610,000.
That's between the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Air Defense, and the IRGC.
Now, let's go through one by one.
So let's go through the personnel.
Active personnel, 170,000 to 610,000, Israel to Iran.
Reserve, Israel has 465,000, Iran has 350,000.
How important is it?
And then we'll go to the defense budget and the rest of the year, the artillery, the air defense system, the combat aircrafts, etc.
Well, Israel and Iran share no common border.
So the likelihood of Israeli divisions squaring off against Iranian divisions are very slim.
I mean, Iran would have to physically occupy Iraq and physically drive through Syria to get there.
Logistically, very difficult to do and operationally tough.
Long lines of communication susceptible to interdiction.
So these numbers are meaningless, to be honest.
What you need to focus on is strike aircraft, missiles, air defense, and with – So combat-capable aircrafts, 345 for Israel, 312, plus an extra 23 for the IRGC for Iran.
Obviously those are all the Jets, I think most of all the Russian That seems, especially based on what we've seen over the last 24 hours, just a big discrepancy there in the capabilities of both sides.
Right, but Iran's not striking Israel with the Iranian Air Force aircraft, so take those out of the picture.
Why?
Is that because of Israel's air defense system?
Yes, and also the aircraft that Iran have aren't conducive to long-range strike.
These are tactical aircraft to be used to defend Iranian airspace as opposed to projecting power into Israel.
Another question, sorry for my lack of expertise, but couldn't they intercept the F-30 files because they don't have those capabilities whatsoever?
Anything can be intercepted.
I mean, the Serbian shot down an F-117 stealth fighter during the Kosovo conflict.
The F-35 is always at risk.
We've heard stories about how the Houthi, in less sophisticated air defense, were able to lock onto F-35s and cause American F-35s to break off attack.
I'm very sorry to say that the audio is not coming through on the videos.
Bloody shame.
Paul, you wanted to add comments.
Go right ahead.
No, even on what you were currently playing, I was just listening.
Yeah, okay.
Well, it was excellent, but apparently it was not going out.
Meanwhile, make it a trump.
This is from Responsible Statecraft.
I think this is very important.
Supporting Israel attacks is a middle finger to voters.
I agree with this.
The Republican president who vowed to make America great again by ending endless wars, he also called them stupid wars, now finds himself on the precipice of a potential new one.
Israel's airstrikes on Iran Thursday came after President Trump said he was hopeful for a nuclear deal and made clear publicly That he did not want Israel to interfere by acting militarily.
I think that was just a ruse.
Israel defied Trump.
I don't think so.
It was all coordinated.
Trump now says he knew about this strike all along.
Well, there's the proof.
The president wrote on Truth Socially Friday, I gave Iran a chance after chance to make a deal.
I told them in the strongest a word to just do it.
Which, as I've explained, entailed giving up their enrichment of uranium for peaceful energy purposes, which they were never going to do.
But no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn't get it done, he went on.
Certain Iranian hardliners spoke bravely, but they don't know what was about to happen, which he did.
They're all dead now.
And it will only get worse.
There's Trump threatening being a bully on the stage, a thug in international relations.
Trump said Iran must make a deal before there is nothing left and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire.
He means the Persian Empire.
No more death.
No more destruction.
Just do it before it's too late.
Trump's next move is unknown.
I think it is now known.
Some of the most prominent voices within his extended mega movement are pleading with the president not to drag the U.S. into a noddle Middle Eastern war.
Tucker says Trump is complicit to the strikes and insists that this isn't America's fight.
He's got it right.
While the American military may not have physically perpetrated the assault, Years of funding insane weapons to Israel, which Donald Trump just bragged about on Truth Social, undeniably placed the U.S. at the center of last night's events.
Tucker wrote in his Friday newsletter, Washington knew the attacks would happen.
They aided Israel in carrying them out.
There's no doubt about it.
No doubt about it at all.
Paul, you don't have any doubt, do you, that Trump was complicit in orchestrating just as Tucker suggests?
No, I mean, just like we talked about the other day, and you said the quote was for Franklin Roosevelt, and I'll take your word on it, that nothing in politics happens by accident.
So, you know, all these things are planned a long time ahead of schedule.
And I think with Trump, what you're dealing with here is the fact that it's the classic cult of personality that he can get away.
with many things because he has a lot of support and fondness for his persona.
I think more than anything else, when you go back and look at the original debates from the 2016 election and just the way overall that Trump conducts himself, he's a favorite of American people because of but when you look at the actuality of the various policies he's engaged in, then he's nothing but a big disappointment.
I mean, you take COVID, the vaccine, the lockdowns, he was, he went along with, he was complicit in many would make the case that it was, We'll be right back.
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as everyone can tell we're still ironing out the kinks using discord and i-i gather it's working on studio a rather flawlessly no doubt it's Meanwhile, you could not hear Scott Ritter make his assessment about Israeli versus Iranian military.
I think while Israel has a mass of nukes, the whole world recognizes and Iran does not.
I believe that situation is now going to rapidly change.
And that Iran is going to acquire a stockpile of nukes from sympathetic countries like Pakistan, North Korea, and Turkey.
Paul, of course, does not believe in nukes, in which case, of course, the terrifying prospect of thermonuclear war doesn't affect him in terms of his beliefs, which I do, of course, not share, but I'm glad to have Paul to offer contrary opinions.
I do believe Trump is going to lose massive support among America because we all thought he really was a peace president that was going to end these wars.
We've got Lindsey Graham going completely unhinged.
It makes for a fascinating video, but you would not be able to hear it.
But he wants Iran to be obliterated.
Lindsey has gone far off the deep edge.
Larry Johnson.
Raises a question or addresses, was the U.S. involved in Israel's attack on Iran?
I think there's no room for any doubt about it at all.
Let me throw in one more story, Paul, and then I'll come back for your opinions.
Israeli Prime Minister seeking to set the region on fire according to Turkey's Erdogan.
Tehran, June 14th.
Condemning Israeli aggression against Iran, Turkey's president Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in a phone call with his Iranian counterpart, Masoud Prasharian, on Saturday said his Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is seeking to set the region on fire.
Purnoshka thanked Erdogan for expressing his sympathy and support for the people and government of Iran and stated the criminal Zionist regime has once again shown its brutality in killing innocent people.
The criminal Zionist regime does not value human rights or international law and does not shy away from assassinating civilians, scientists, leaders, government officials, and military cadets.
He added, the Zionist regime's attack on Iran in the midst of negotiations with the United States on nuclear issues But Paul, I don't think they realize Trump was all in on this.
I mean, this is as much a Trump attack on Iran as it is Netanyahu.
Your thoughts?
Yeah, and again, you have to continually ask yourself these questions about what are the aims here?
In other words, in most previous wars, there was some sort of an aim and or a country was defending itself or there were territorial aims and so on.
In this particular case, as you pointed out, Iran's not attacking anybody.
So what is the aim here?
And since, again, there's a buffer like – So does Israel have any territorial designs on Iran?
No.
So what is really going on?
And in the end, it's at the orchestrated to highest levels to make money for these defense contractors to continue to steal.
From, well, essentially from the U.S. Treasury, but anywhere that these things are taking place, there are people at the top making money.
It's really disgusting to me overall.
And I wanted to make the point again, I've made it before, but why not just mention it again?
Any political leader like Trump, you're faced with one of two possibilities because they both cannot be true.
And in my opinion, you're kind of screwed with both of them, right?
On the one hand, Trump has real authority and real agency.
And what he wants to do and what he does and says matters.
And on the other hand, he doesn't have real authority or agency and what he wants to do or what he says and does doesn't really matter.
And, you know, I'm not sure exactly which one of those is true.
I tend towards the latter.
And it makes you ask the question, okay, well, so then what's the point?
And who's really in charge?
And it's essentially the same sort of people and the same sort of agenda.
You know, that's always been at play, right?
Well, they want us, besides all the destructive things that they have in mind, they want us to believe things that are not true.
And this is my take on nukes.
And just for the fun of it, I'll just get this out there for all you listeners out here that, you know, whoever you are and listen later on and bitch shoot in other places, burn this in your brain just for the fun of it, okay?
Pakistan doesn't have any nukes.
Israel doesn't have any nukes.
United States doesn't have any nukes.
Russia doesn't have any nukes.
Because nukes are not physically possible, as in physics.
Look into the matter yourself.
It's all been a fraud.
The same way that we can't put a rover on Mars.
We can't put a lunar lander on the moon.
So why do we have to fake it?
Because we can't do it.
It can't be done.
And there's lots of reasons for that besides just the technological reasons.
And those are sufficient enough.
They can't overcome much of the engineering problems.
And so they decided to continue these programs and rake in the money.
Like I said, if they really could put a rover on Mars, why do they have to fake it?
Same thing with the Moon.
And as nuclear weapons go, like I said, anybody who wants to look into it, just go search term the Chicago Pile.
1941, December 2nd, that's when they claim that they split the atom, right?
The University of Chicago.
And when you look into the parameters of that experiment, it's nothing but fraud.
And you can see the faces of all these dark trench coats of very swarthy Eastern European looking people.
Because the whole thing, the whole operation was almost entirely Jewish start to finish.
So I think we're just...
And Jim Fetzer, of course, being a preeminent researcher, has proved over and over again that so many of these major news events are fraudulent.
And just one other thing real quick, and then I'll thank you for my little rant and the opportunity to give it here on your show, because you know I've always respected you and your work.
So I agree mostly with your take of Dr. Strangelove.
It's a great movie.
I've watched it many times.
But it doesn't buttress any argument or position on nuclear weapons.
You've categorized it, or shall I say characterized it, as one of the best movies in terms of warning of the dangers of nuclear weapons.
It doesn't really do that.
It's a movie for entertainment.
It does obviously make some points.
But in my opinion, you can't use a Hollywood movie in any way, shape, or form to support the supposed existence of nuclear weapons.
So that said, it's a great watch.
I love it.
But it means nothing in terms of the debate about whether nukes are real or not.
Thank you, Jim.
Sure, Paul.
We'll need to disagree with almost everything you've said here.
I mean, we have had...
We have radioactive contamination.
We have even after 9 /11, which most would like not to believe, but was a nuclear event with small nukes at the base of the inner tubes of both the North and the South Tower that destroyed the building from the bottom up.
Then it had the effect of blowing apart.
For external support columns from the top down, which was what was visible from the outside, where the contrast with Building 7 could hardly be more stark and dramatic.
Building 7, all the floors are coming down.
No building blowing apart.
No building being converted into millions of cubic yards are very fine to us.
And when it's over, we had a pile of debris.
Equal to about 12% of the original 47 floors or 5.5 floors.
That's a classic controlled demolition.
with the north and the south tower blowing apart in every direction from the top down, being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, which by the way is a signature of the use of nuclear devices.
No pile of debris because the building's been demoleculated.
It had been converted into that massive amount of dust.
So we didn't have 12% of 110 floors, which would have been 13 and a half floors of debris for each.
Instead, we had Lower Manhattan covered with, oh, I don't know, two, two and a half inches of very fine dust.
And when the U.S. Geological Survey conducted studies of 35 dust samples from various locations, they found elements That would not have been present.
Barium, lithium, strontium, trivium, some of which only exist in radioactive form had this not been a nuclear event.
And of course, the deaths that have ensued from a variety of genetic medical abnormalities, pancreatic, esophageal, cancers, lymphoma, multiple myeloma.
Radiation does not approve explosive nuclear fission.
Okay, as long as I get a chance to rebut.
I always give you a chance to rebut, Paul.
Okay, go on.
Just as what happened at Chernobyl, where Judy Wood very perceptively observed it.
Rudy Giuliani had 115 dump trucks lined up to tow away the debris after 9 /11.
The following day when I would wager in New York it'd take you a month to line up one, he had 115.
And not only were they hauling the debris out, they were bringing in Hundreds of tons of dirt, which is just what they did at Chernobyl to absorb the radioactive contamination.
So they brought in all this dirt so that initially the debris pile was even increasing in size.
And now when you look at the medical maladies that have been incurred, they're up to as many as 70,000 deaths from first responders and residents living in the vicinity.
Who are exposed to the contamination from these nuclear events.
And if you want further evidence, the ground remained super hot.
Beneath the ground you had molten metal that endured till mid-December, mid-December, which is impossible to explain on either a nanothermite hypothesis, which is feeble and incapable of accounting for the data.
because it requires a detonation velocity of thirty two hundred meters per second to destroy concrete of sixty one hundred meters per second to destroy steel and the detonation velocity of kerosene is at least a thousand meters below and for Yeah, for jet fuel and for nanothermite, it only has a detonation velocity of 895 meters per second.
In other words, it cannot have been done by any other explanation, even directed energy.
Which I would destroy the building but wouldn't leave a residual pool of molten metal that endured until mid-December.
Paul, go right ahead.
Give us your thoughts.
Okay, so you always do this.
You spit out all these facts, our supposed facts, alleged facts.
In support of an argument, and in reality, it doesn't prove anything.
So in other words, the existence of radioactive material, the existence of isotopes, the existence of these things does not prove explosive nuclear fission.
That's an assumption.
Just for example, the assumption that because there was a pool of molten material and it remained hot for all this time, that automatically says, well, that was nuclear.
Well, in reality, what we're looking at, there's a subset of what we could call I'm going to go back to what I have said many times before.
Anybody who looks into the matter, you can see a photograph of them stacking cases of dynamite at the Trinity test site on the tower.
And they have admitted that they seeded this explosive TNT with radioactive materials.
So why on earth would they do this?
They claimed they were running a test.
Well, anybody who has a cursory understanding of what is known as chemical molecular explosives versus so-called atomic explosion, one has nothing to do with the other.
So what on earth were they testing?
And you can see photographs of the area being inspected by Army brass after the explosion.
Okay, I don't know how long it was, a week or two.
But there was absolutely no evidence that a nuclear explosion took place there.
And so you have to ask yourself the question, well, either they're lying about the location.
Or they're lying about the fact that they detonated an atomic weapon there.
Because when you see them shuffling around in the desert sands at Trinity Test Site, and there's no scorch marks, similar to all these fires now in these buildings that we see, right?
Where they're not black.
They're blasted out ash.
So it's not fire that destroyed them, because when fire destroys houses and homes and buildings, it's blackened.
So that's like another, just a little side example.
But going back to this photograph, and anybody can see this, or you can, Miles Mathis wrote a paper on Trinity.
I suggest people read it.
And in that paper, he shows the photographs.
But of course, these photographs are available elsewhere.
When he writes these papers and he puts these photographs in, he grabs the photographs, which are out there, you know, on the internet for anybody to see.
So again, why are they stacking cases of dynamite on the platform at the Trinity test site?
That doesn't make any sense.
Why is there not evidence that there was an explosion, a large explosion at the Trinity test site?
There was no crater and the ground was in any way, shape, or form looked like it had been subject to a high heat, high velocity blast.
It makes no sense at all unless the real explosion was somewhere else.
But again, the whole thing is fraud start to finish.
When you look at the photographs of the damage from the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, people have done this.
They've analyzed the photographs.
That's asymmetrical.
You would expect if it's one large explosion to have symmetrical damage.
And with the temperatures and the pressure waves claimed, lots of things would not have been standing that were.
And again, the firebombings on other cities were there to be looked at and compared to.
And guess what?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki looked like every other firebomb city in Japan.
And they did not like...
So again, all this evidence of fraud.
And if you look, for example, just some of the cursory math and physics explanations in Akio Nakatani's book, Death Object, Exploding the Nuclear Weapons Hoax.
And again, that's, in my opinion, one of the best works on the topic, but there are others as well.
He shows quite clearly that it's basically physically impossible to have what's known as explosive nuclear fission.
And one of the reasons is what's known as neutron absorption.
The whole existence of the neutron was very convenient, and it solved a lot of problems in physics where they didn't have answers.
I think the guy was named Chadwick, and I'd have to do more homework to speak more authoritatively on it.
But the existence of the neutron itself is more or less just a theory.
It's a postulate.
And in order for nuclear fission to be possible, the neutron must first exist.
You must have neutron emissions and you must have neutron absorptions because a high-energy neutron collision supposedly frees the neutron to knock it somewhere else.
And in reality, it doesn't work.
The math and the physics of it doesn't work.
And again, I'm not doing the best job of explaining it here on the air.
I'd have to go back and reread and brush up on it.
People need to do their own work on this.
You need to watch videos, listen to audio presentations, as well as read articles about this, and you will become convinced that the reason there's so much fraud involved in all of this is because it's fraudulent.
Thank you.
Yeah, Paul, if I can add a few words.
Sure.
Paul dismisses the non-evidence effects of what can only be explicable as a nuclear cause in terms of 9 /11.
And I like 9 /11 because it's a recent event that makes such a powerful impact on America in the course of history.
Leading to the introduction of the Patriot Act, the reorganization of the American government compromises galore to our constitutional rights which endure to this very day.
There's no other alternative explanation for the molten metal below ground, thoroughly documented, than it was caused by a nuclear event at extremely high temperatures.
None of the available alternatives will account for the data, not to mention the medical maladies.
Paul, I don't laugh when you're giving what I consider.
I wasn't laughing.
When I give what you consider mine to be.
I'm sorry.
I was not laughing.
Sorry.
I wasn't laughing.
I made some noise with my mouth because I was clearing my nose a little bit.
I would just add the term known.
I just want to put your account...
Paul, I like you.
I wish to hell you were right that there were no nukes, but I'm sorry to say we're in a far more desperate situation because And I respect your right to believe whatever you want to believe.
The problem is we have these wars based on theological beliefs that are neither capable of proof nor disproof, such as an alleged claim to the lands of Palestine asserted by these Ashkenazi Jews who actually aren't even Semites.
I mean, the situation in the Middle East is just a cock and bull story from beginning to end.
So when you talk about fraudulent claims, they are bound on every side from right to left, top to bottom.
So you're certainly right about that.
The question is whether the nuke story is among them.
And let me add that Veterans Day has some 50 studies about the use of nukes on 9/11, Veterans Day, VT.
And when they discovered the Palmer Report, Hans Palmer, P-O-M-M-E-R, they saw that...
Okay, no other known alternative.
The word known.
Okay, in other words, if we don't know, right?
So you can't say no other alternative, no other known alternative.
I mean, my point would be this.
Jim, you have a very – You have a comprehensive intellect, and in many cases you still, to this day, have a very encyclopedic sort of recall.
You can't seriously look at the photographs and the evidence presented in Akio Nakatani's book, Death Object, Exploding the Nuclear Weapons Hoax, which you have not read or looked at.
And listeners out there, just don't listen to me.
Go look at the book.
You can get it online and go through it.
People have posted PDF versions and other versions of it as well.
Read the text, look at the photographs, and ask yourself, Is it true?
Is it false?
It's very simple.
You could do it with powers of observation.
So again, in my opinion, okay, could they have invented nuclear weapons since World War II?
Because back then they were a fraud, in my opinion.
In other words, the claim that they nuked Nagasaki and they nuked Hiroshima, in my opinion, is a fraud based upon what you're able to see with your own eyes.
And reading the analysis, by the way, they did surveys.
There's people that actually did air surveys of the damage and wrote about it after the war, and some of those written reports are included in that book.
So again, it's a very thorough study, the same sort of thoroughness, Jim, that you bring to bear when you look at some of these fake shootings, for example.
We will return to this subject, and you, of course, as always, defend yourself very ably, and we'll continue the conversation.
Here and now, I want to turn to Zelensky claiming Iran poses a serious threat to Ukraine amid the Israeli war.
That's far-fetched in the extreme, but here we have it.
Infowars reporting.
Once again, another major Middle East conflict is taking much of the West's attention away from the long war in Ukraine.
But President Volodymyr Zelensky is speaking up, or rather inserting himself, suggesting that events in Iran have a direct impact on Ukraine.
He has told Newsmax the Islamic Republic poses a serious threat to Ukraine.
Boy, there's a whopper.
Given that it has for years supplied military arms and technology to Russian forces, which are then used against Ukrainian cities, there have been more recent reports that Tehran might be supplying short-range ballistic missiles.
That may be true, and I understand drones as well.
It is the Iranian-produced Shahid Kamikaze drone, which has increasingly wreaked havoc on Ukraine.
Since a war start, Zelensky claimed the comments that Iran is actively working against his country.
I think Ukraine and Russia are simply in a mutual support situation where they're providing one another with weaponry and defensive systems such as the S-400 that I gather Russia has provided to Ukraine, as well as Ukraine providing short-range missiles to Russia.
Iran is, in fact, actively working against us by supplying weapons and technology to Russia.
That makes them a serious threat.
Even so, we do not seek escalation, Zelensky said.
We understand all too well the devastating consequences such a conflict can bring.
The human cost loses the potential outcome of a full-scale war.
But Iran continues to support Russia.
No doubt.
Iran does continue to support Russia.
I don't doubt that.
And Russia continues to support Iran.
Paul, your thoughts?
You know, I can't really add.
There's just so much there.
I don't really want to add to that.
All right.
Fair enough.
Meanwhile, today...
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Well, the latest I can secure here is, well, they have voted to leave the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
That's in the works.
Iran is seriously considering closing the Strait of Hormuz, but it hasn't happened yet.
This is France 24 English reporting that it's before the Parliament.
They're considering doing such a thing, but it hasn't happened yet.
Meanwhile, we have Hal Turner talking about This taking place and how consequential it would be if the Straits of Hormuz were to be closed.
The rain boating tomorrow, so whether or not to withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is a gigantic thing.
You only do that when it's your intention to develop nuclear weapons.
They've clearly reached the point of deciding they must do this.
It's a smart move.
I know, Paul, we know all your reservations.
It's a smart move because Iran has been accused of doing that for years, even though they were not.
It's been Israel making these accusations.
I, Hal Turner, run something interesting in a newspaper from Israel dated 1984.
When the Israelis were accusing Iran of being at the final stages of developing a nuclear bomb, 1984.
Forty years on, Iran is in the final stages of making a nuclear bomb, and of course it hasn't happened yet.
Wow, such propaganda.
Paul, it's fascinating.
now.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
But I'm not endorsing, of course, that it's a false claim being made by Israel here about Iran seeking developments.
I know.
I'm endorsing the dupes are real.
Meanwhile, we have a report about...
What happens to Europe if the Strait of Hormuz is blocked and there are multiple levels of consequence?
Oil is going to go through the roof, Paul.
It could wind up being 10 to 12 bucks a gallon right here in the USA if this should happen.
And that, I think, is going to be very disenchanting for mega supporters.
Trump, I think, is going to lose massive support.
I'd be interested in your opinion just about that question.
Do you think Trump is at risk here of losing a whole lot of support?
I think his popularity is going to start dropping like a rock.
Your thoughts?
Well, does it really matter?
Think about that.
In other words, how much support he has, how much popularity he has, what does that matter?
I mean, how much popularity and support did Joe Biden have, right?
Or Kamala Harris?
But they were supposedly in office, right?
I mean, you know, so in my opinion, who cares how much support Trump has or, you know, how disillusioned people are with him because they are not going to affect events, you know, similar to us.
I mean, we can talk about this stuff, but, you know, it's a sort of a kind of a spectator situation in many ways, somewhat helplessness.
You know, nothing we can do about it going on over there.
So whether these things are actually going to be taking place or not, I think what the people that rule us love is for us to be in fear of something.
You know, the old saying of it's always something.
Okay, so in other words, the price of oil is not high enough, let's make it higher.
You know, it's just, to me, it's a little...
I want to know why.
What exactly is he talking about?
I'd like to know a little bit more of the nuts and bolts, which I guess we can't go into on this show.
We need to do more research, both of us.
We could, Paul, but right now it's not broadcasting over Studio B, so I think I'll have that adjusted.
I think I know what happened here.
Can I make a suggestion?
What's going on over Studio A is on somebody else's computer, right?
And everything is going through your computer.
So I would actually go and get another computer and have everything transferred from your old one to that new one and then see, for example, if the one you're using now can be salvaged, if there's all sorts of bugs on it.
No, Paul, it's a trivial software matter of my not hitting the right buttons.
It's that trivial.
Really?
Yeah.
This is something I'm just not very good at.
And while I love Skype and have been using it for years with 100% reliability and success, we've had this transition.
First, there's something called Teams that turned out to be very sporadic and unreliable to now something called Discord.
But I haven't synced my computer with Discord in the proper fashion.
To get everything out.
It'll happen by Friday, for example, or even Wednesday, when I have my next show here of the raw deal on Revolution Radio Studio B. I think everything will be fine.
It's just today we have some remaining kinks to work out.
Meanwhile, China joins Russia in condemning Israel's attacks on Iran, echoing the stance taken by Russia.
China has condemned Israel's unprovoked initiation of war with Iran, calling it a violation of Iranian sovereignty that could bring serious consequences.
Beijing particularly concerned over the reckless bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities.
In an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council Friday, Chinese UN Ambassador Fu Kong said, China urges Israel, To immediately stop all risky military action to avoid further escalation of tension,
China condemns Israel's actions that violate Iran's sovereignty, security, and territorial integrity, opposes the escalation of tensions and the expansion of conflict, and expresses deep concern over the serious consequences that Israel's actions may bring.
Now those are totally appropriate responses.
But get this, the European Union is taking the opposite stance.
It's pure Orwell.
They are condemning Iran for attacks that have been made on Iran.
How bad is this?
In their hypocrisy over Israel, EU elites once again exposing the rotting corpse of the so-called rules-based order.
When Israeli warplanes struck Iran this week, Violating Iranian sovereignty in a brazen act of aggression, killing scores of civilians alongside top military commanders and nuclear scientists, inviting Iran's equally indiscriminate retaliatory strikes, Europe's leaders didn't condemn the attack.
They reversely endorsed it and condemned Iran for the attack on its own territory.
The president of France, Emmanuel Macron, set the tone.
By condemning Iran's ongoing nuclear program and reaffirming Israel's right to defend itself and secure its security.
President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen seemed to have spoken from the same script, reiterating Israel's right to defend itself, embellished by some generic platitudes about the need for restraint and de-escalation.
Let me add.
Bibi Netanyahu described this as a preemptive strike, which is allowed under international law and the UN Charter, but only if a nation faces an imminent threat from the nation it's hitting preemptively.
There was no imminent threat.
Hence, there was no justification for a preemptive strike.
Hence, this is all in violation of international law, the UN Charter, the Geneva Conventions.
You name it, Israel has violated it.
The German foreign ministry went a step further and actually strongly condemned Iran for an indiscriminate attack on Israeli territory even before Tehran had launched its missiles in response for Israel's attack on its territory while fully endorsing Israel's actions.
The Orwellian rattling Rhetoric isn't just incompetence or ignorance.
It's a culmination of years of European diplomatic malpractice that helped to manufacture this crisis and expose the rules-based order as a corpse.
Europe's double standard killed its credibility.
Whatever.
So has Trump killed the credibility of the United States.
I don't think they either.
The West, the European nations, NATO nations, or the United States has any credibility at all remaining in the eyes of the world, Paul.
We've done so many illicitous acts, like the Minsk Agreement, not in good faith, to allow Ukraine to beef up its weaponry to confront Russia.
And now these drawn-out negotiations with Iran, which were again not conducted in good faith, but really to set up Yeah, well, again, so many points are made where I just want to interject, but I've got to let you go.
Yeah, it's all nonsense, right?
Oh, I condemn.
Oh, no, I strongly condemn.
It reminds me of that scene from A Few Good Men where, you know, he chastises her after.
Oh, no, you strenuously object.
Oh, objection is not enough.
You strenuously object.
You know, it's just rules of order?
What the hell are you talking about?
I mean, it's just, we, look, Macron, supposed president of France, the guy is married to a trans man, okay?
I don't know if you're familiar with that research, but it's pretty much a done deal.
I've been born in here many times, just as Obama is married to a trans man.
Yeah, it's just...
It's really insane.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll agree.
Have you more you'd like to toss into the bucket about Israel, Iran, or Ukraine before we turn to these shootings in Minnesota that are rather bizarre themselves?
Yeah, go ahead and get to those.
I already have Iran-Israel fatigue because, let's be honest, it's been going on for 40-something years, right?
There's always been this Iran in the news since the 70s and the 80s, Jim.
Why?
I don't get it.
Iran is the boogeyman of choice, and I guess it's because they're so far away and in many ways so isolated from us that they're the perfect boogeyman.
But go on.
Yeah.
There are several stories here that are, you know, developing, so they're not equally current.
Authorities still searching for suspect and shooting of two Minnesota state lawmakers, Brooklyn Park, Minnesota.
Hundreds of law officers fanned out across a Minneapolis suburb Saturday in pursuit of a man who authorities say posed as a police officer and fatally shot a Democrat state.
Lawmaker in her home in what Governor Tim Walz called a politically motivated assassination.
Authorities said the suspect also shot and wounded a second lawmaker and was believed to be trying to flee the area.
Democrat former House Speaker Melissa Horkman and her husband Mark were killed in their Brooklyn Park home.
Senator John Hoffman, also a Democrat, and his wife Yvette were injured at their Champlin address about 9 miles, 15 kilometers away from the original shooting.
Authorities identified the suspect as a 57-year-old Vance Boulter.
The FBI issued a warrant of up to $50,000 per information, leading to his arrest and conviction.
So what in the world is going on here?
The next report.
Assassinated Minnesota Democrat Melissa Horkman had just crossed party lines to cast a decisive vote against illegal migrant handouts.
What leaders do?
The Minnesota Democrats' hate lawmaker who was assassinated by a crazed gunman in a rubber mask crossed party lines just days earlier, made a critical vote revoking health care coverage for illegal migrants.
Melissa Hartman, the State House Democrat leader, was the only mentor of her party to side with Republicans and voted to repeal taxpayer-funded health care coverage for adult illegal immigrants as part of the year's budget bill.
She and her husband were gunned down Saturday in Brooklyn Park just outside Minneapolis, Shortly after, the same assassin is believed to have gravely wounded Democrat State Senator John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette.
Cops are on the hunt for the suspect, Vance Luther Bautler, 57, a political appointee of Governor Tim Walz, allegedly left behind a sick manifesto, listing the names of 70 politicians.
There you go.
According to authorities.
Paul, there's one more story, and then I'll unleash you.
Well, the manifesto's always the giveaway, ain't it?
No King's Terror.
Fake Cobb assassinates Minnesota Democrat who blocked health care for illegals.
That's Luther Bolter, 57. A former appointee of Democrat Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is the suspected gunman in the politically motivated shooting.
That killed one Minnesota state representative and wounded a state senator.
Here we got his photograph, as we have of hers.
Vance Luther Bolter had been named as a suspect in the shootings of Minnesota Democrat lawmakers Melissa Hartman and John Hoffman.
However, Bolter wasn't just some random guy off the grid.
He posed as a police officer when he first shot Senator John Hoffman and his wife at their home early Saturday, leaving them seriously injured, then proceeded to the home of former Democrat House Speaker Melissa Horton, where he fatally shot her and her husband both.
Paul, go ahead.
Give us your thoughts.
Photographs.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I'm not looking at any photographs.
There's nothing up on the screen.
Doesn't matter, though.
That name sounds made up to me, doesn't it, to you?
It just doesn't sound like a real name.
And that's been a very common theme in many of the things you looked at.
As far as, you know, it's highly suspicious, okay, the only politician who voted again, I mean, come on.
Who knows why, and who knows if they're really dead nowadays with the way things are going.
But I do have a suggestion.
I would love to get rid of this term, lawmaker.
And replace it with bribe-taker.
I think that would be a much more realistic description of what it is that these people do.
And wouldn't you love it if they just stopped using the term lawmaker?
I mean, first of all, as I've made the point many times, how many more laws do we need?
Tell me which laws that they're proposing that we actually do need and how many laws are already on the books that are not of any relevance at all or that are never really even enforced anymore.
So, yeah.
And wouldn't it be great if all these politicians were denied money and they had to go get money the same way you and I did, which is voluntary.
You know, they just seem to be able to give away and spend money that isn't theirs, right?
And I think that's one of the problems with this.
I'm not to break a new ground here, but – but ultimately are destructive.
Paul, I know you ought to sink your teeth into Joe Rogan sums up L.A. riots with one profound word.
When Joe Rogan sat down with country artist Oliver Anthony, which started as a conversation about music and culture, quickly turned to a deeper look at the chaos unfolding in Los Angeles.
Rogan wasn't vague about what he believed is happening.
He dropped a bombshell.
In his views, the rights aren't organic.
They're astroturfed.
We are better off today than anybody else in human history, and this is a struggle, and it is a battle, Rogan said.
I think we came out of this on the other side.
We come out of all of this on the other side, if we can all realize that we're being played against each other.
He described what he sees as the machinery behind the unrest, protests that aren't spontaneous but funded, coordinated, and staged for political impact.
You know, when you're paying people to protest, you're leaving pallets of bricks around, you're organizing the whole thing, shipping people in on buses, making sure all the people show up at a certain time and they're all compensated.
You give them water and snacks, he buzzed at it.
Like, we've got to realize what's going on here.
This is not for you, to Rogan.
The strategy is clear.
Create disorder, spark outrage, and damage public trust, offering no real solutions.
When you light your city on fire and you burn cop cars, it's never good.
It's not good for you.
It's not good for the cause.
They're not going to change the laws.
Your thoughts, Paul?
Well, I'm assuming he is mostly correct.
I believe it was in 2020, but it could have been before that, where somebody, an American citizen with a cell phone, caught cops parking their police cars and walking away, abandoning them.
Now, who does that?
They only do that on orders.
In other words, no policeman is going to go park his police car and then just walk away and leave it in this supposed riot-torn area.
But that's what they were doing.
So, again, this is obviously an agenda.
And, you know, at the same time, you know, there's many things that can be going on here that are both, you know, the old thing about that both things can't be true or some things can be equally true.
So there is division already.
There's no doubt about it.
The American people in general, and we're talking about, you know, white Americans, we resent being invaded by the third world.
We don't want it.
And there is more racial solidarity amongst these invaders, even though, of course, there's plenty of division amongst them as well.
But what's obvious to me is that there's greater racial solidarity with these people than there is with us.
And this is going to be a problem going forward because the agenda is quite clear, and that's to diminish our numbers in terms of real numbers in our country and all other historically white-founded countries.
They're doing it in England, Germany, France, Sweden, Australia as well, and here.
The term white genocide is what it's known as.
It's been going on for a long time, and they're ramping it up.
In the end, that's what we need to be concerned with.
They're creating division.
Well, the division already does exist and the issue is real, but what's occurring is artificial.
So that's a way to look at it.
Yeah, here he adds further thoughts.
He explained how protests, particularly among young people, often function as a shortcut to purpose in a world where They feel like they're fighting against something bad, Rogen said.
If they're uninformed, who the F who's 21 is informed?
He wasn't trying to insult anyone.
Just point out how easy it is to be swept up in group think, especially on college campuses, where social credibility is earned through outrage and nuance is the first casualty.
Many people who are young, especially if you're going to college, you're around a bunch of like-minded people in an echo chamber, and they're all trying to, like, get social credit by being the most woke and the most active, and you feel like you've got a sense of purpose.
But that so-called purpose is being redirected, not toward building something better, but toward tearing down Something, whatever's convenient.
Paul, certainly with regard to the protests on the campus against genocide, I think he's mistaken about that.
Those appear to be completely genuine and organic, where the expansion of the meaning of the word anti-semitism to include any criticism of Israel is outrageous, unconstitutional, and yet Trump has been supporting it.
I condemn him for that.
That is completely disgusting.
Your thoughts on any of these issues?
Well, just personally, I can recall as a young man certain things in the news and things going on in society would outrage me.
There's no doubt about that.
But I can't think of any time I really had any desire to go anywhere and protest anything.
I never saw in my entire life.
College here in California and so on.
I never saw any organic protest about anything.
I remember one time a friend of mine asked me if I wanted to go with him to Sacramento to attend a pro-life rally.
He was very pro-life and very Catholic.
I wasn't really doing anything, so I said, yeah, sure.
And so it was purely social, the reason I went.
In other words, I went with a route.
It was quite a fairly substantial, I won't call it large, but it was a substantial group.
We went to Sacramento and just stood peacefully and carried signs.
And that's the only time in my life that I ever joined any kind of a protest.
I'm not saying that my experience would be, well, actually I am saying my experience would be common.
I don't think most people have any desire.
To go anywhere and protest anything unless it's for mostly social reasons.
And those reasons are not necessarily invalid just in and of themselves.
But I don't believe any of these so-called riots are in any way, shape, or form organic.
And for a lot of these blacks and Mexicans, it's just a reason to misbehave.
It's a reason to be violent and aggressive.
And that is natural and that is organic.
Paul, much appreciated.
Even when we have differences, they're about important issues.
You argue very well, even when I strenuously disagree, as I do, about the nuke issue.
But I'm glad to have you here and have the opportunity to voice your opinion.
You're most welcome, Paul.
Meanwhile, let me encourage everyone to spend as much time as they can with their family, their friends, and people they love and care about.
We do not know.
How much time we have left.
And time, obviously, is growing shorter.
Though Paul's correct, it may not quite be the nuclear apocalypse many of us believe to be hanging over our heads.
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