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May 24, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
01:14:07
The Greatest Scam Exposed with Etienne de la Boetie²
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The way that they get them to go along with it is they're getting them when they're young, they're putting them into mandatory government schools, they're putting them into Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Explorers, JROTC, ROTC, police training, military training, and by the time that they come out of that, after the police and the military have used these unethically manipulative techniques on them, they're willing to set their morality aside and they're willing to use violence on peaceful people.
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Thank you.
While my husband Mark and I woke up to the fraud of virology and germ theory in 2020, it was over a decade earlier that we discovered the fraud of government.
So it was only natural that we were going to have a fantastic conversation with Etienne de la Boissy Squared, the author of Government, the biggest scam in history exposed, and to see the cage is to leave it.
Twenty-five techniques the few use to control the many.
We are all voluntarists, vehemently against the corruption and compulsion that is, quote, legalized slavery and passionate about helping others see beyond captivity.
Etienne is the founder of the Art of Liberty Foundation and the editor of the Art of Liberty Daily News.
In addition to his publications, he has been networking with libertarian projects around the world and helping demonstrate what can be done on the ground.
Thank you so much, Etienne, for the privilege and honour of coming on to our show.
It's just so wonderful to have you here today.
It is a pleasure to be with you and your audience.
Now, we should also say, Etienne, sometimes there is confusion about your name, and I believe it is pronounced Etienne Daliboussi.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but that is to distinguish yourself from a French philosopher of the same name.
Yes, sir.
So obviously I'm writing under a pen name and the original Etienne de la Boussy.
Squared was a French political philosopher.
He wrote in the 16th century, and he was really one of the first to kind of pull back the curtain and expose the tricks and the techniques that rulers use, not just to get obedience, but to get fealty and adoration and God save the queen and all hail the chief.
And I'm doing his work in the modern age, and I'm exposing the tricks and the techniques.
That rulers are using to trick the population into going along with something that is not in their interest, and that is government.
Now, Adrian, there's a real natural connection between us and you, and we've actually been aware of your work for a very long time.
Because we are hardcore anarchists, and before anyone turns off the interview, that doesn't mean 1970s English street punk rockers running around in the street and smashing windows.
It means something else, but we'll get to that.
Something that's really important is obviously the audience that's been following us for the five years knows that we've been exposing the scam of allopathic medicine, including germ theory and neurology.
And these are all massive scams that are used to control the population.
But in many ways, they are sub-narratives, if you like, serving what you talk about.
And you even have a publication, an important publication, called Government, the Biggest Scam in History.
And it doesn't end with a question mark, does it?
It's a statement.
No, no.
Government has really been the biggest scam in history.
And what I mean by that when I say it, Many people think government was created to protect life, liberty, and property, but you could also look at it as a technique for robbing and controlling populations.
I believe that government is always illegitimate because it's impossible to have a legitimate moral government.
It's impossible to delegate rights.
That you don't have yourself to a representative or to a government to represent you doing something that you don't have the ability to do myself.
So if I don't have the ability to show up at Mark and Sam's door with a gun and force you to give me money.
for a retirement scheme or for you know a charity or a good idea that I have and I can't delegate that right to a representative to a government you can't be bound by a social contract that you didn't sign if my fiance and my kids because there's you know four of us and there's two of you we can't vote Because we outnumbered you that you have to give us all your money.
Well, it doesn't matter if there's 10 of us or 150 or 330 million of us.
There's no magical, you know, person that makes something that is inherently illogical and immoral now illogical and moral.
And so it really has been the biggest scam in all of human history.
And it really has been that, you know, I call it the scam.
So we'll put, we'll make virology the second biggest scam.
We'll make COVID a subsection of virology as the third biggest scam.
But the scam that enabled the scam of virology and the scam of the COVID has been government through its hierarchical control.
of the institutions like the NIH, the CDC, the NIAID, the World Health Organization, and they're able to hierarchically force down a policy through state health departments, local health departments, and in the case of the World Health Organization, able to force it down globally.
And so the government was the scam that enabled the scam of the COVID through the hierarchical control of these county and state and city and town level health agencies.
So interesting.
Thank you, Etienne, because we'll get more into this very soon.
but I just wanted to go back in time a little bit with your background.
How did you get into When I was a young adult, I ran a national third party political campaign for the Libertarian Party.
I realized that the political system here in the United States was completely rigged against third parties.
The third parties have their...
And at the same time, you can't raise any money.
Incumbent parties are given all of these financial tools like the ability to send mail on the taxpayer dime and their own television studios and their own drivers and their own staff and the ability to...
And there's just all of these different scams.
And so I realized that wasn't the ticket.
So I bailed out to one of, I went to work for one of the big four think tanks in Washington, D.C. And I got put in a program there where I really learned a lot about free market.
And I learned about, you know, kind of natural law.
And the morality slash immorality of government and really kind of came to understand that you don't really need government.
You know, everything that government, you know, most of what government does is a provider of kind of services, whether that services, you know, armed protective services that they call the police, whether it's dispute resolution that they call the courts, whether it's running the worst passenger train.
System on the planet, at least in the Western world, whether it's delivering the mail, whatever it is, all of that would be done by the free market better, faster, and cheaper than the government does it.
We just don't really need government.
I am an anarchist.
To your point, anarchy doesn't mean no rules.
Anarchy means no rulers.
But because the rulers don't want the population to know that there's an option on the menu called No Rulers, the rulers use control of the media, the monopolized media, to change the definition.
And in my book, Government, The Biggest Scam in History, I actually break down by showing the 1827 definition of anarchy in the Webster's Dictionary and comparing it to the modern definition of anarchy so that you can see how the definition has been changed to chaos and dystopia.
And then I break down who owns the dictionary, and it's the Safra banking family, and they've installed Leslie Gell, the former past president of the Council on Foreign Relations, onto the Editorial Advisory Board.
And so, you know, language is being used as a weapon.
If you can control the words that people use, you can control the people to its extent that have to use those words.
I describe myself as an anarcho-capitalist, but really one of the things I'm really known for is I'm trying to get people to kind of move to the term "voluntarist." Because you get to the exact same thing.
You get to no rulers, but you get there from a moral high ground in that all relationships between people must be voluntary.
Nobody has rights that other people don't, especially the government.
Nobody has the ring of power because there isn't a ring of power.
And there's a kind of understanding within voluntarism that the world is a self-organizing place.
It produces spontaneous order.
Everything the government does would be done better, faster, and cheaper, and there would be a lot less strife in society because you wouldn't have to fight over the ring of power.
Here in the United States, there's a real knife fight going on at the school board level in the United States and in almost every major school board.
And if you lose in San Francisco, you get LGBTQ studies forced on your child.
If you lose in Detroit, you may get Islamic studies forced on your child.
If you lose, you might get critical race.
There's all this jockeying for the ring of power.
But in a volunteerist world, you know, you would be so wealthy because, number one, the government and the banks wouldn't be stealing the value out of your money that you could afford to send your child to whatever school you wanted.
And so that would produce way better outcomes with way more harmony.
In society and people would be much, much wealthier.
I just don't think people understand how much wealthier they would be if, you know, forget that the overt taxes and the covert taxes and the hidden taxes and all of that, but if the government and the banks just weren't stealing the value out of everybody's money.
We'd all be fabulously wealthy, and we wouldn't need the free education that government promises.
Yeah, well, fantastic summary there, Eddie.
And I think you got onto a really important point, which people have come to Blindly accept that cost of living should be going up when, as you know, that's not how free markets work.
Cost of living should come down unless people want it to go up, which nobody does, essentially.
So this has been another scam as well.
And in order to carry out the scam, as you know, we have the financial system, including fractional reserve banking.
And one of the biggest scams which has been forced on the public, which is to tell them that inflation is somehow built into the system and it's always going to happen.
But the government and their reserve, well, their reserve banks, which they claim are, We'll keep inflation under control.
They just have to keep it between 2% and 3% and then everyone will be happy.
But again, as you know, this is another scam that they're running.
And, you know, of course, yeah, we talk about the ranking list of scams, but the financial system is one of the greatest scams that they are running against the public.
And most people don't realize it because, again...
So I know you have investigated that and talk about that in your publications a lot as well.
You're absolutely right.
The United States has been an interesting case study in economics because we were on a pure gold standard where you can't just create money out of thin air.
You can't create digital dollars.
You can't create warehouse receipts.
Prices in the United States, when we had hard money, were deflationary as productivity improvements and as innovations reduced the costs of the services.
Kind of the, you know, the luxuries and necessities of life.
And so if you think about it, you know, whether that, you know, that innovation, one example I like to use is, you know, there's a company that makes a giant sail that goes on, you know, the biggest of ocean-going tankers and ships, and you can just kind of add the sail and it'll save over three tons of fuel.
A day to the cost of like an ocean-going voyage, and there's innovations.
We're using Zoom right now, whether it's video conferencing, whether it's productivity applications like Trello or Slack.
There's all these different innovations that are reducing the cost of businesses either producing or distributing their goods and services.
And so everybody should see that reflected in lower costs and lower prices but instead what you've got is you've got the government and the banks stealing the value out of everybody's money by allowing the banks to create money out of thin air using the technique of fractional reserve banking and for your audience that may not be familiar you know the basics of the scam or when you go to a A bank to get a mortgage or a car loan or a business loan,
they're not loaning you deposit or money.
They just tickle the keys on the keyboard and they credit your account with digital dollars and the more digital dollars that they create, it reduces the purchasing power of all of the other dollars in circulation.
That exorbitant privilege that the banks have to create money out of thin air.
is inflationary and it's stealing the value out of everybody else's money and the more dollars that they produce or the government produces whether it's through fractional reserve banking or quantitative easing the example that I like to use is you know if I have a dollar and you dear viewer or dear listener you have a dollar and we both have the only two dollars in the world I own fifty percent of the world's wealth and you own fifty percent of the world's wealth And either a bank or
a government comes along and through fractional reserve banking or quantitative easing or the printing press, they create two more dollars.
Well, now I've been reduced to 25% of the world's wealth.
You've been reduced to 25% of the world's wealth and the government or the bank has now stolen 50% of the world's wealth without lifting a finger.
And that's the system that has allowed them.
to buy up the world and they started with the media so that the media would not tell people what's going on and that bought and paid for media was the exact same monopolized bought and paid for media that sold you the COVID or continues to sell the population on the legitimacy of government.
And the legitimacy of virology, the safety and efficacy of vaccines, whatever the scam of the day is, from 9-11 to the Oklahoma City bombing here in the United States to a gazillion other propaganda crimes, that monopolized media system has been bought and paid for with dollars that were created out of thin air by this banking system.
Really important for the audience to understand here as well, Eddie, and with your research into what a scam government is, is that the people might say, well, why doesn't the government do something about this and tell the banking system or the central banks to stop doing this?
And, well, the government's about the biggest beneficiary in the room.
They love this kind of thing because they get access to the spending power first.
So, of course, they go along with it and with the issuing of government bonds, etc.
The money flows into their hands first and their allies, the banking system and the favoured corporations.
So governments love this.
And then they just have a story, as you know, for the public about why cost of living is going up.
Like they'll say, well, it's climate change or there was a pandemic or there's market uncertainties.
and they'll just have a story, an economist, the front man will tell the public this, but the scam And what I like to describe as the most powerful weapon in the world is this control of perception, the ability to control the information the population receives, to be able to trick them into thinking that they're not a free and independent human being.
But they're a Kiwi, a New Zealander, or an Englishman, or an American, and by virtue of where they live and where they were born, they owe money to Washington, D.C., or to London, or to wherever it is,
and that that's legitimate, and that everybody agrees with it, and everybody's going along with it, and that ability to control the information society receives And he is essentially about six old-school media companies, Time Warner's that own CNN and HBO, News Corp, and companies like that on the old media side.
And there's about six companies running hundreds and hundreds of subsidiaries to trick the population thinking that there's all these different information sources in society.
But if you actually take a look at some of the media ownership charts that we have in government, the biggest scam in history, you can actually see how these hundreds of corporations just roll up to a handful of companies operating as a cartel.
And then on the new media side, there's about four to five dozen kind of new media, social media, search engines, Wikipedia, Facebook, X, Reddit, Snopes, and others.
That are controlling information on what I like to call the DARPA Internet.
And so I'm an ex-networking guy.
I used to work at global ISPs.
I used to build networks for Wall Street, for market data and trading floor technology.
And I believe that the powers that shouldn't be, you know, they had the Internet way before they released it to the population in kind of 1994, 1996 timeframe.
I've seen network maps going back to 1973 and 1974 when the Internet was the ARPANET, the Advanced Research Project Agency that turned into the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency, DARPA, but back when it was the ARPANET.
I think by the time they released it to the public, they had already figured out what key technologies that they needed to To invest in and control, to be able to control information widely,
and that is the most powerful weapon on the planet, the ability to control the information the population receives so they can be tricked and tax farmed into paying their tithes to the government.
I also really appreciated Flowing on from that, in your book, The Government, The Biggest Scam in History, how important schooling and education is.
The indoctrination has to start very early for this whole machine to work.
Yeah, and I think just to add to that, there's a lot of concern about the material.
Being taught in schools, and that's one thing, and that is valid because they can teach all sorts of nonsense about so-called biological science, etc.
But I think also what you've focused on, Eddie, is exposing the system in itself of behavioural control, routines, becoming part of a cult.
Normalizing behaviors and even flipping things like ethics and morality on its head to explain to the, well, to indoctrinate the kids and to accepting that, well, if the government does it, it's okay.
So, you know, I have a new book coming out and the new book is entitled To See the Cage is to Leave It.
25 techniques the few use to control the many.
And what I do in the book is I break down 25 unethically manipulative techniques that the government and the media are using on the population to get people to go along with government as a religion.
Now, they're not calling it a religion.
But they're using all of the exact same tricks and techniques that a disingenuous religion or a cult would use to get their followers.
To obey and to go along.
And so the number one is the school system.
We're going to take kids and we're going to force them into a mandatory government school system where the teacher, the priest, is going to teach them in the United States the holy documents of the Constitution.
They're going to sing the hymns of the Star Spangled Banner and the National Anthem.
They're going to be taken to Mecca.
Washington, D.C. and kind of middle school where they're going to go into the cathedral of the capital that looks like the Vatican for a reason, where they're going to go to the temples to see the deities of Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson.
And it is the same.
It looks like a Greek temple.
It has the same kind of statue that a Greek temple would have in.
It's very hushed and reverent.
You know, the judges are going to wear vestments.
The military are going to go on crusades.
You know, I could go on and on.
It is being indoctrinated, you know, as a religion, starting with the government school system.
And then there's another, there's kind of like two branches that, you know, the government school system produces a cult member, a citizen that's willing to tithe.
And semi-voluntarily, you know, hand over a portion of their income.
And a lot of people in the United States, they really believe that it's their duty as a citizen to pay their taxes and that it's going to good things and they might not like everything that the government does, but like they're a good citizen and they're a good human being because the government system has taught them that that's what a moral person does is gives it money, gives Washington, D.C. money.
and that you have to have government or the world would be chaos and dystopia and so then there's but there's another branch and then that's really starts with the Cub Scouts and the Boy Scouts and the Explorers and in the United States we have a program called the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps where they take kind of starting in kind of middle school, they take kids and get them into kind of a mini military, you know, like a military program.
They put them in a uniform.
The uniform means single form.
It's an artificial group conformity where their heads are shaved and they're all dressed identical so that they lose their individuality and they're kind of subsumed into this.
Artificial group identity, okay?
And then they develop this kind of love of being in a uniform and they begin, you know, being indoctrinated into hierarchical command and control so that they can be ordered around and then by the time they go through, you know, they've got a program called the Young Marines.
The government is running high schools here in the United States.
And by the time they go through all of these different programs, you want them to goose step?
They'll goose step.
You want them to go abroad and murder people that haven't, you know, invaded the United States or caused them any harm?
They'll go and they'll murder people.
Do you want the police to use violence?
On peaceful people to either enforce, you know, crimes that aren't really crimes.
It's called, we have a lot of crimes on the books in the United States that are called victimless crimes, where there is no, you know, it's not really a crime.
The government can call it a crime, but whether it's smoking a plant or gambling, you're not really hurting anybody except yourself.
And for somebody to use violence on you and throw you into a cage for something that's not really a crime, that makes the police the criminal.
That further compacts the police into this, you know, group dynamic because they're having to use violence on peaceful people and a kind of unhealthy group dynamic.
They're given golden pensions and they're paid more than comparably skilled labor so that they become financially dependent on the cult.
And they, you know, it really is.
There's all of these different techniques that most people have never really thought of and never really, you know, kind of unpacked.
But that's what the scouting programs produce.
And then the media in the United States comes around and then the media in the United States is doing a variety of, again, unethically manipulative techniques where they're making the government the hero in the movies and in the television shows.
They're product placing the American flag using an app.
Advertising technique called anchoring, where a lot of the movies that you see, the whole movie will build up to a moment of high positive emotion, and then they'll show you the flag.
Example I use a lot is, if you've ever seen the movie The Martian, okay, with Matt Damon where he escapes Mars, the whole movie builds up to him escaping Mars, and then the second, he's not going to make it.
Something went wrong.
something went wrong oh no he is gonna make it and boom they cut to earth and people were And so what they've done is they've brought you to that moment of high positive motion and then they show you the flag.
They show you the flag.
They do it.
In some cases, they'll saturate the flag dozens and dozens and dozens of times in a single movie.
We've got a video in the in the new book to see the cages to leave it.
We've got in the EPUB copy you can just click on it in the in the print version there's a QR code and you can scan it and I've got a short video clip that shows 469 product placements of the American flag in just 12 Michael Bay movies and so this little video just has the second or two that the flag is on the screen and then it has like an arrow pointing to it it goes ding!
And then it shows the next, you know, little clip that has the flag going ding.
And it's going ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
And, you know, most people, they don't, it doesn't register, you know, when they come by individually.
But once you see it, you can never unsee it.
You know, once you realize, oh, my God, they're running game on me.
covert taxes and inflation.
You know, once you understand that there's 25 different and I could have kept, by the way, I could have kept going.
I had to ship the book, so I cut it off at 25 techniques.
I'd cut it off at 21, and I got to do this one, I got to do this one, I got to do this one.
And I actually threw in at the very last paragraph of the 25 techniques, I threw in a 26th, you know, just because I didn't want to like write another technique, but I just had to like get, you know, one more in there.
But, you know, it goes to, you know, if you've ever seen where the government will, at the funeral of a police officer or a military person, they'll have this flag ceremony, and they'll actually hand the American flag to the person's child.
And so now, what does that have to do with anything?
They're unethically manipulating, associating the American flag with the person's memory.
of their departed loved one.
It's hardcore tricks and techniques that, in some cases, are hundreds of years old.
In some cases, they're thousands of years old.
But this is kind of what the original Etienne de la Buissee was exposing.
I'm exposing the modern versions of it, but these are in some cases ancient techniques to get people
But if they can get you to self-identify and to wrap a portion of your identity around that label.
Then you'll go along with almost anything.
If they can get you to be part of that group, even though it's a completely fake group.
I know that New Zealand's a rather small place, but here in the United States, it's a huge, huge place.
I'm from Texas.
Somebody in Texas has very little in common.
With somebody living in Alaska or Hawaii.
Somebody in Florida has very little in common with somebody living in the Pacific Northwest.
Somebody in New Mexico has very little in common with somebody in the state of Maine.
And so it's a completely artificially created tribe that gets people to self-identify so they can be tax farmed and molted.
Concept, Eddie, with, say, a place like the United States, where originally the states were much more independent, and then people today in the US are under the impression that it all has to be under one entity with a centralised government.
And it's the same everywhere, these artificial borders that are created.
In New Zealand, for instance, we have the North Island and the South Island.
Now, geographically, they're separated by a pretty large body of water.
But if you say to a member of the public who's been through the school system, could they not just separate into two different countries?
They'll start giving you excuses as to why that's not possible.
No, no, no, you can't do that.
But then we have an island that's even further away, a big one, called Australia.
But they say, oh, no, no, we're not part of that.
You get them to explain, well, where should the borders be?
And they have this convoluted explanation and they don't seem to realise that all of these countries are in a state of anarchy compared to each other.
You know, they don't have jurisdiction.
Again, it's the absolute brainwashing, I think, that people are told, here's a map of the world.
These are the borders.
And then they might have a few caveats like, oh, this country was naughty in World War II and it tried to change the border.
But now we've got it back to where it's supposed to be.
I was traveling to London and I was in the passport control line.
And, you know, there's an armed, you know, immigration officer, UK immigration officer that's walking up and down.
And I grabbed him.
I said, hey, you know, out of curiosity, you know, what happens if I show up in the UK?
And I'm not anybody's tax slave.
I live on an island, my own island somewhere, and I don't have a passport.
I just want to come to the UK and see it, but I don't belong to any other country.
And he goes, "We arrest you." And so, I mean, if you're not a tax slave to somebody else, it's a very sneaky system.
And then, you know, in the case of, like, Israel, which is a completely created country through the Rothschilds, essentially bought themselves their own country.
That's what the Balfour Declaration is essentially, you know, thanking them for and everything.
And now they have diplomatic immunity.
They don't have to go through customs and in certain cases you know there's no extradition so you can go you can commit crimes in one country and then nobody can do anything about it because there's not extradition between these countries and the whole thing is a complete complete scam where the people on the top are making trillions of dollars and they're essentially tax farming human labor which is the most profitable you know business in the world and they get away with it because they're controlling the information that people People receive
to make them think that this system is legitimate when if you just really step back and kind of think about it as an adult, you know, is there any way that you can delegate a right that you don't have yourself to a representative to a government or can you be bound by a social contract you didn't sign?
The whole notion really falls apart.
But it really is hard for many, many people to do that because it has been indoctrinated into them as a religion.
So they've become religiously attached to it.
They've become religiously attached to being an American or being a New Zealander or to being an Australian or whatever it is.
And because they got them when they were young and because they reinforced it with the media.
They become religiously attached to an idea that is allowing them to be tax farmed.
I wanted to ask you, Etienne, what happened going into the COVID era in 2020?
What were your thoughts on it?
Because you must have seen this coming.
So I did.
So I think I was the first person to do a podcast and call it fake.
So I did Beth Martin's King's Hero Journey podcast from Guatemala.
In what was like March of 2020 where I'm like this whole thing is fake.
And part of the reason I did that is because I'd read the book "Inventing the AIDS Virus" by Peter Duisburg and I kind of recognized the pattern and I knew that I kind of had an understanding of the scam of AIDS and I kind of saw it coming.
And so I have a foundation called the Art of Liberty Foundation.
I flew directly.
I was in Guatemala when it hit.
They closed the borders.
I got trapped behind the border.
You know, it got really weird.
The hotel that I was staying at had 24 employees.
Within a couple days of the COVID they fired 23 of their 24 employees.
You know, they were threatening a Japanese man in the market because they thought he was Chinese.
They closed down the market for a couple of days.
I mean, it got weird quick, and so I flew directly back and met with one of our major donors.
I said this whole thing is a scam.
I think it might be a eugenics program.
And I said that in March, April of 2020.
And then I was in California for that meeting, and then I stuck around, and I was with David Rodriguez, who is a YouTuber, head of the Gatto Project.
And we actually went in to the hospitals in the epicenter of COVID in California.
And we actually exposed empty waiting rooms, empty, you know, parking lots, empty tents.
You know, they actually went through.
I'm the only person going.
This is supposedly the epicenter of COVID in California.
And when I say there's nothing going on, I mean, it was like a ghost town.
I'm the only person getting tested.
You know, I go through the line.
I get to the guide.
Doing the testing.
I take off my mask and I'm like, "Hey." I go, "I'm an investigative journalist and we're trying to figure out if there's really a pandemic here." And the guy looks like his hand was caught in the cookie jar.
And he's like, "No." I mean, he was honest with me.
He's like, "No, we're not." He told me, "We're not experiencing any pandemic conditions.
We're not even doing that many testing.
They'd only tested eight people the day before." They were not seeing any increase in mortality other than the usual and customary elderly deaths or seasonal flus or whatever.
I walked out of there and I'm like, this whole thing is completely, completely fake.
And then I started to organize resistance to that in California.
With David Rodriguez and some of the videos that we produced had millions of views.
We were some of the folks that would go into the grocery stores and do cash drops without masks where we'd walk in with dozens of different people without masks so they couldn't stop us at one time.
We'd get all of our groceries.
We'd figure out what the bill was that we owed and we'd literally just walk out with the groceries, drop the money and a list of everything that we bought on the cashier's stand.
And we'd walk out with the groceries in a kind of like civil disobedience because they were refusing to sell groceries to people unless you put the mask on.
And so we were doing things like that.
We reopened beaches.
They were trying to keep the people off of the beaches in California.
And so we would have beach parties and we would literally walk on to the beach in Santa Cruz, California.
One of the most famous surfing beaches on the planet with, you know, 60, you know, plus people and a bullhorn like we're reopening!
This beach!
Like people playing guitars, people surfing, people playing.
We'd set up a badminton net and we'd be playing badminton and like, I mean, it was a full-scale beach party.
The police would come and we would say, hey, you know, they'd say, hey, you guys got to leave.
And we're like, we're not going anywhere.
And you're the bad man for threatening people with violence.
And we would explain to them the immorality of what they were doing and they would stand down.
Every single time.
I personally stood down the police, you know, on a weekly basis for like over a month where the police would come.
They would say, "Hey, you guys got to stop doing this." And we're like, "We're not going anywhere." We would have bonfires at night.
We'd take down all of the tape around the playground equipment.
They were putting locks and they would lock up the beach.
We wouldn't just cut the lock off with like a lock cutter.
We'd cut the U-bolt off.
The post that was holding the lock on, so they couldn't just put another lock on it.
We were reopening beaches.
We're reopening parking spots.
We're reopening everything.
So we were doing peaceful civil disobedience, but hey, we're not going along with this.
It was economic warfare against the population.
They want the population to be poor.
They want the population to have to go to chain stores and chain restaurants and chain hotels and chain cars.
Coffee shops.
They don't want there to be independent businesses that can say no to the government on policies like COVID shots.
They want to be able to force COVID shots on people through the chain stores, the chain restaurants, the chain shops and these companies that have been bought up with.
The fractional reserve dollars.
That's how they're doing it.
They're buying the world with these little paper tickets.
Part of the reason that they were able to enforce these policies is because all of the big mega chain stores, the airlines, all of these monopolies went along with it because at a certain degree, they're all in on it.
The banks create money out of thin air using fractional reserve banking.
They're buying up Everything that can be bought, the real estate, plant, property, equipment, they're organizing the ownership of that in private equity companies like BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, and others, and then the C-level executives are being organized in organizations like the World Economic Forum, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, and other front.
Organizations and policy shops, and then they're taking that policy and they're forcing it down through these companies that have been monopolized and bought up through fractional reserve banking.
And that's what you saw in the COVID.
Yeah, definitely.
And we've written about this, Eddie, and my co-author, Dr. John Bevan-Smith and I. Have talked about these wider issues, including one of the biggest wealth transfers in history that just took place and the public were completely scammed.
And yeah, just coming back to a few points there.
Now, I know you were definitely one of the first to call the COVID scam, but I have to say, shout out to John Rappaport.
I don't know if you knew, but in January 2020 on his website, No More Fake News, he said it was a scam.
And again, like you, he had that background of knowing about the AIDS scam and he just mailed a rat straight away.
So he actually published as early as January 2020, which was incredible, you know, to have that sense of what was going on.
Definitely, Eden, you're a man after our own heart here because we were also running activities here in New Zealand with reopening facilities.
And even our kids, who were quite a bit younger, you know, that's five years old now.
We didn't even have a teenager in the household then, but they would go to playgrounds and reopen them.
And they would have a delightful time grabbing all of the red do not cross lines and just take it all down and, you know, carefully put it away in the local rubbish bin, etc.
And, you know, we ignored the mainstream news so much that we didn't even know that there were these rules in New Zealand.
And we took the family to the beach and we were the only ones there.
And we had people driving past, like giving us the thumbs up out the window and, you know, waving and sort of going, good on you and all this kind of stuff.
And we thought, this is kind of weird because you don't usually see that.
And it wasn't until a few days later, I was telling another family member, I said, we went to the beach with anyone there.
And they said, oh, you're not allowed to go to the beach.
And we said, what?
And we looked it up, and it was true that all these restrictions, like we'd gone on holiday, we'd gone to the beach, and I think because we were so relaxed, and later on when they brought in the face mask mandates, we never once wore face masks.
I couldn't do all of the sign-in things.
I don't have a smartphone, so we never did any of these cult-like rituals.
We heard that people were getting arrested and questioned and all this kind of stuff, which never happened to our family.
And I think it was just because we were so, you know, just acted so natural, basically, as though nothing was happening.
And it was one of those things where, like you, you realise that it doesn't take that many people to organise.
And there's nothing the state can do.
So, yeah, really important strategy.
Would you agree?
Civil disobedience?
Oh, without a doubt.
And, you know, what you just illustrated is, you know, the most powerful weapon is that control of perception.
Can they trick you into thinking that freedom is unpopular, that nobody is opposing the COVID, that there's only 30 people instead of 10,000?
That, you know, I mean, it was we would we would do like I, you know, during the COVID, I spoke to 3000 plus people at the California State Capitol in Sacramento, California, and the only people there wearing a mask.
We're the media.
It's kind of, you know, like ridiculous, you know, kind of what was going on in that time frame.
But I think that, you know, that in some ways, you know, 2020 was the year of seeing clearly and it woke up more people, tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of people around the world to the fact that, hey, you know, the government and the media are willing to lie to me.
Wholesale, they're willing to force, you know, an experimental drug into my arm at warp speed made by companies that are felons, that are multi-time felons with little or no testing like, hey, something's wrong, something's going on here.
And so, you know, I think that that was kind of the good that came out of the COVID is that so many people woke up to illegitimacy and the criminality of government and that, you know, that the media is in on it.
It's government and the media working together and they're against your interest.
They're not in your interest and they're willing to.
Straight up lie to your face, you know, right on the national news or on the local news, you know, they will just absolutely lie to your face without batting an eye.
Can I ask you, Etienne, when you talked earlier about talking to the police that would come to the beach and things, obviously you're good at doing that.
Do you have any tips or what do you do when you're interacting with the police in that situation?
So, yes, it's funny.
What came out of that, of talking to the police on the beaches of Santa Cruz, is a lot of the police, they'd be like, hey, man, we don't want to be doing this either.
We don't want to be doing it, but what are we supposed to do?
And an officer, you know, asked me that.
And in my previous life, I used to be a productivity consultant for, you know, Fortune 500, 150 companies.
And I'm like, what should you do?
And then the officer is like, okay, and you could see he was like thinking about that, and I realized that that was the key to standing down the police.
And so I formed an organization called the Thick Red Line Project.
You know, the police in the United States have something called the Thin Blue Line.
It's supposed to separate civil society from chaos and dystopia.
And so the thick red line is, hey, you know, there's certain things that y'all should not be doing that are immoral.
And the thick red line that a police officer should draw is...
Is this thing that I'm being asked to do, is it moral or is it immoral?
And you should draw a thick red line at victimless crimes.
If there's not a victim, it's not really a crime.
And it makes you the criminal.
And so the Thick Red Line Project, we actually went out and we started meeting with sheriffs and police chiefs.
And, you know, a lot of them, we would be walked in.
By the community, like by, you know, a community group.
I'd go and I was literally, I was in 20 something states in 2020.
I was in 30 states in 2021 organizing resistance all over the United States.
And I would be walked in, I would be meeting with a community group that has got no masks on, that knew what was going on, that was doing the exact same thing that you were doing and others were doing in their communities.
And a lot of times they had great relationships.
They knew the sheriff, they knew the police chief and we would Your strongest, you know, play is to say no collectively." You know, backed up by the community and here's the community and they don't want you to be doing this.
And so you've got to draw a line in the sand and you've got to say, hey, we're not going to do it.
But I got to tell you, we face so like like it's it's ingrained in the United States in the police departments and the sheriff departments.
They prosecute victimless crimes.
They will arrest you for things that are not crimes, and that's how they raise their money, and they work with other agencies, and they don't want to be like, I sit across from sheriffs, and the sheriffs are like, I agree with you, but I can't do that because then I'd be essentially pointing out that my deputies have been doing something immoral.
And I'm not willing to do that.
And they would admit to me, you know, flat out, like, I know that's immoral.
I know we shouldn't be doing that.
But I can't because I have to work with these other agencies or I don't want to embarrass.
My deputies point that out.
That's a real big thing.
One of the things that I'm doing in the new book to see the cages to leave it is I have a whole list of things.
In that, I'm talking to police and government employees and I'm explaining in no uncertain terms the immorality of what people that work for the government are involved in.
At the end of the day, Government employees don't pay taxes, and so a lot of government employees don't seem to understand this, but the taxes are what is collected from the people that produce goods and services for others, the productive people in the world that are producing goods and services for other people, and then that money is then stolen by the government, and that is the taxes, okay?
The government employees and the police and the military and the politicians and the judges, they receive the taxes.
They receive less taxes, but they're not taxpayers.
They're tax receivers and they're living off money stolen at the point of a gun.
And that's very, very uncomfortable for a lot of people, but that's the stone-cold truth of what's going on and how this system has been able to produce it.
And the way that they get them to go along with it is they're getting them when they're young, they're putting them into mandatory government schools, they're putting them into Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Explorers.
JROTC, ROTC, police training, military training.
And by the time that they come out of that, after the police and the military have used these unethically manipulative techniques on them, they're willing to set their morality aside and they're willing to use violence on peaceful people.
And that's the stone-cold truth of what's going on.
The other thing I wanted to get to, and I think your book, Government, The Biggest Scam in History, does this really well.
People often get into the weeds and get distracted talking about different forms of government, whether they're communism, fascism, republics, constitutional monarchies, etc.
And then they try and debate the ins and outs of all of them and which might be better and how to get the best representations.
I think your book, Government, the Biggest Scam in History, has a really good...
They're all designed for population control using mechanisms of coercion and violence.
Yeah, so what you're talking about, for those that have never seen the book, in the first part of the book I break down kind of 20 techniques that governments use.
There's a playbook to kind of slaving up.
And dominating your population under government.
And I break down those 20 techniques.
And on each page, I explain the technique, and then I show what the technique looked like in the United States, what the technique looked like in Nazi Germany, East Germany, and the Soviet Union.
And the book is really designed to kind of wake up your friends, your family, your neighbors to what's going on.
people are visual learners and they come to insight much quicker if you if you show them you know a visualization or a historical photo or a media ownership chart or you know they can see it kind of with their own eyes and what you do you know after you've read that section of the book is you're like hey
They all have mandatory government schools running the Prussian model of education.
They all have a youth program, whether it's the Hitler Youth or the Young Pioneers in the Soviet Union and East Germany.
Actually, the youth program is the Young Folk.
In Nazi Germany, that turns into the Hitler Youth.
In the United States, it turns into the Explorers.
In the Soviet Union, it turns into the Commissar.
You know, whatever you just keep going through, and you're like, "Oh my God, it is a playbook.
They're all running this playbook." And then, because your friend or your family member or your colleagues saw it with their own eyes, they come to that moment of insight.
In a way that they might not have come if you tried to explain it to them.
And one of the other things that I do in the book is I'm using visualization to make things that were previously invisible to the population now visible through visualization.
Like a COVID example, I've got a kind of a chart that was produced by Swiss Propaganda Research.
That shows dozens and dozens and dozens of ostensibly independent media organizations, Time Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, CBS, CNN, Fox News, The Economist, you know, the list goes on and on,
that they're all ostensibly independent and unaffiliated, but all of the key reporters, editors, publishers, they're all in Three or four organizations in the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commissioner, the Bilderberg Group.
And so what you realize is, hey, wait a minute.
These guys are all getting together.
They're meeting on a regular basis, generally in secured facilities, you know, that have probably been swept for bugs.
And they're there.
Well, they could.
Yes, they could all be in on it.
Look at that.
They're all organized into these three organizations that have maneuvered their members into all of the key points where they're able to control the information that society receives across dozens and dozens of ostensibly, you know, you know media companies and
When you see that with your own eyes, you're now like that was kind of invisible to the population that, oh, hey, all of these reporters and editors and publishers.
They're all together in these three organizations.
You know, now you've taken something that was invisible and you've made it visible using visualization.
And so that, again, will bring somebody to that, you know, that moment of insight where they're like, oh, I guess they all could be in on it.
Yeah.
Do you know, it's funny.
I can relate to this because I think of how we do with our kids.
Our kids are homeschooled, right?
Yes, and Mark will take them for exercise.
And they'll go for a run or a bike down past the local school.
And then they'll be pointing and they'll come back and report to me and say, Mum, we saw the caged kids today.
And they think of it like this.
And then they'll pick up things in movies.
There's a clip in Star Wars.
Yeah, this is fantastic, Eddie.
I really enjoy, so I take my boys, the older ones, out for a run each day.
It's their PE, physical education, if you like, for the day.
And we end up having these funny conversations.
And because of their ages, our kids, the youngest three up to the oldest, 14, there's a lot of talk about Star Wars.
They're boys.
They watch the movies from time to time.
And we have all these conversations about who is the greatest Jedi.
Generally, I don't know how you feel about this if you watch any Star Wars stuff, but our general feeling is that probably Obi-Wan Kenobi, we consider him the greatest Jedi in terms of the natural abilities he got and his wisdom, etc.
But then there's this appalling scene in Revenge of the Sith when he has the confrontation with Anakin where he says...
And my kids absolutely love this because we'll be out running and if someone wants to make the others laugh, they go, "What about democracy, Anakin?" And our kids can see straight through it, but it's coming back to that principle of how, you know, They can't accept that there could be a state of anarchy.
So just coming back around to that theme.
We know that anarchy has been, the establishment's tried to discredit it.
They make it look like it involves people throwing rocks through windows, people with no morals, people who don't respect any laws, when in fact it is the exact opposite.
It is people who say that there should be absolute laws that must be followed by everyone, regardless of whether you're calling yourself the government or otherwise.
Yeah, there is true morality, and there's something called natural law, and anything that is not a right, so a lot of people say, "Oh, I have a right to this.
I have a right to own a gun.
I've got a right to speak freely," and they have no idea where that word "right" comes from, and it comes from the natural law tradition, and anything that's not a wrong.
If you're not hurting somebody, then you should have the right to do anything you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else.
The people that are violating that natural law tradition, that is the government.
That is the shave-headed cult members wearing the uniform, where they have been indoctrinated using these unethically manipulative techniques to use violence on peaceful people for the government.
That's how you know that they're a bad man is because they're willing to use violence on peaceful people to raise revenue or to enforce the commandments, the laws of the religion on their friends, their neighbors, and their colleagues.
The other thing that I wanted to say about that is because your kids see it.
You know, one of the things that I think that I do pretty well is that, you know, using these visualizations and memes, a meme, you know, like I'm really kind of known for my memes, and a meme is like a Molotov cocktail through the Overton window.
One of the examples that I give is in the United States, there was a political philosopher and legal theorist by the name of Lysander Spooner.
And in kind of the 1800s, he wrote a book called The Constitution of No Authority, where he just broke down, just destroyed.
Anybody that reads it today realizes that you can't really have a social contract.
You can have a social contract with the people that sign it, but if you didn't sign the social contract, you're not bound by it.
And he just absolutely decimates.
You know, the idea of the social contract in this really well-written and entertaining treatise called A Constitution of No Authority.
I've got this meme that shows Washington and everybody signing the Constitution of the United States and there's a guy signing and Washington's leaning over and he goes, "Sign right there where we give ourselves the ability to make up rules for everyone and steal the wealth of others." You're right.
That's dumb.
It's a dumb idea.
You know, it's immoral.
You can't have a bunch of slave owners, you know, a couple dozen slave owners in a nation you know at the time there are 3 million people living on the continent you know they can't go into a room and write down on a fancy piece of paper that they were.
It just doesn't make any sense.
And then that one meme can just destroy that worldview for somebody and just make a mockery of the whole idea of the Constitution in a way that took Lysander Spooner an entire book.
And so that's one of the things I'm known for.
And then the final thing I wanted to say about that is, so then once you see through it, and once you understand, "Oh, the government's running game on me.
They're doing tricks." Some of the cases I've got, like they're giving the rulers halos.
In the United States, they'll use this trick photography, and they'll photograph the president in front of the seal of the presidency, and it makes it look like he's got a halo, and they do it all the time.
And once you realize, "Oh, they're doing that on purpose to make him seem holy." They're religion and they're using these unethically manipulative techniques.
Well, most people, when they, because nobody likes to get tricked.
Nobody likes to get chomped.
Nobody likes to be, you know, made the fool.
And once you realize that they're making you the fool, they're tricking you, then most people are like, I'm out.
I'm not, you know, like, oh, I didn't see it, but now I see it.
And once you see it, you can't unsee it.
And so once, you know, like I'm one of the things I'm kind of proudest of is I'm producing what I like to call the one-way revolution, which is once you see it, you can't unsee it and you don't want to be a part of that.
And you're not getting, you know, like, oh my God.
and I've got I got some pictures in the new book man I got I got I mean it's it's devastating you know to like the the the you know the It is a cult.
And once you see it for what it is and you realize, oh my God, it's a cult.
It really is a cult.
Absolutely.
And there are so many parallels here with the work we do.
And I think you'll appreciate that there's this initial resistance.
So for you showing people that there's this entity called government that is totally not necessary, that is incredibly harmful, and then getting people to get through to the other side.
But once they see it, they say, oh, yeah, totally, I get it.
We have the same with virology and germ theory.
And many of the aspects of allopathic medicine is that there's this real resistance at the start to see that there's a problem with it.
But once people are through to the other side, they totally wake up.
Like, once someone wakes up to the fraud of virology and contagion.
They never go back.
They say, I'm not doing a PCR test or a rapid antigen test.
They're pointless.
I'm not lining up for any of their so-called countermeasures, such as vaccines.
I don't feel the least bit scared that that's what makes me sick.
I'm not going to wear a mask because it's completely pointless.
Yeah, like you, we definitely have that same experience.
It's a one-way street.
People don't come from the no-virus position back to the virus position.
but they certainly come in the other direction and that's really reassuring that we just...
And I think I would really encourage people who are not familiar with your work to look at it, and particularly to get a copy of Government, the Biggest Scam in History, and your latest book as well.
What was that?
See the page is to leave it.
25 techniques the few use to control the many.
Yeah, can I say, just on the meme thing, what I think is so...
I think that is really clever.
And I do honestly think your memes are the best.
And I think your new book, To See the Cage is to Leave It, is so important for the audience because, like you say, it's the first step.
It's the step to basically...
Yeah.
Once you see it, you can't unsee it and there's just no going back.
Once you get it and you're like, "Oh my God, they've been doing that." I just never noticed it.
It's like you're a fish.
A fish doesn't see the water until you pull back and show the fish the water and then he realizes he's been in the water.
And so to a degree, that's what I'm doing with the book is I'm pulling back the curtain and showing people all of these tricks and the techniques.
And it is a one-way revolution where, you know, you're not going back after you understand what's been going on.
Whereabouts can people find duty for new followers and things?
Where would you like people to follow you?
Seethecage.com is where you can get the book.
Government-scam.com is where you can get government, the biggest scam in history, exposed.
My foundation is the Art of Liberty Foundation.
We're kind of a startup public policy organization.
We're a kind of voluntarious think tank.
The goal is to, you know, have something like a Cato and Heritage from a principled, voluntarious standpoint.
Where we're exposing not just the illegitimacy of government, but also its criminality.
And so here, you know, in the United States, and I'm sure in New Zealand as well, the government is being run as a criminal enterprise.
You know, there is money, like we've been, you know, they've been stealing trillions of dollars through the TARP and the TALF and the bailouts and the quote-unquote stimulus and, you know, buying overpriced weapon systems to fight wars based on lies and manufactured intelligence.
It's just one scam after another.
All of the other "think tanks" in Washington, D.C., they all play along.
Number one is if government is legitimate, and number two, they all pretend like, "Oh, it's not a criminal enterprise.
There's some bad people," whatever.
No, it's a criminal enterprise.
And so that's kind of what makes us unique.
That's artofliberty.org.
And then finally, I'm on Substack at artofliberty.substack.com.
Absolutely fantastic.
Well, Eddie, it's been a wonderful conversation, and I'm sure many of our audience are probably already familiar with you and your work, but I'm sure there's a whole lot of people that are just finding out about this for the first time as well.
Thank you so much and also thank you for I know when you were investigating the fraud of COVID you cited some of our work so we were pleased that our contributions including a farewell to virology were useful to you.
It was really nice to see that in your work so thank you so much and we'll probably have to catch up again at some stage maybe get some updates and I think, would you say that we're pretty close to victory here?
Yeah, you know, because, so, you know, I'm an optimist, and it really is this one-way revolution, whereas, you know, once you realize, oh, it's been a scam, they're running game on me, you know, very few people go back to getting scammed and fooled and tricked.
And so I'm very, very optimistic.
I think that, you know, I think it's been kind of like a beach ball that's been held underwater.
You know, that's one of the reasons that I encourage people to use voluntarism instead of anarchy is because it gives you kind of this greenfield.
You know, it means the exact same thing, but when people go, oh, what's a voluntarist?
You don't have to unpack all of the baggage around anarchy.
You can just say, oh, well, all, you know, relationships between people should be voluntary.
Nobody has rights that other people don't.
And you have a kind of a greenfield opportunity to explain.
How, you know, a stateless society can produce both harmony and prosperity for everybody.
And so, like, I don't think that they're going to be able to hide that in the information age.
There's no way to stop the signal.
You can, you know, you can de-index the signal for a bit, and you can de-platform the signal, and you can de-monetize the signal, and you can shadow ban the signal.
But some of it is getting out, and more and more people are finding out the truth about what's been going on, and that's only going in one direction.
It's only picking up steam.
We absolutely win in the end.
It's going to be magnificent, and I think society is really going to flourish once we get the parasite of government and these banks, the parasite of banking and central banking and fractional reserve banking off of this giant tick.
Once we get this giant parasite off of us, I think society is really going to flourish.
I totally agree.
Thank you so much, Etienne, for your time.
It's been such a pleasure.
Yeah, thank you guys for what y 'all do.
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