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April 23, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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The Great (or maybe not-so-great) Debate: Victor-Hugo hosts Jim Fetzer (23 April 2025)
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No sound, Mr. Fetzer.
You're on mute.
Which is a running joke, by the way.
Sorry about that.
Okay, cool.
Okay. We can hear you now.
We are going to have a very mature debate.
Thank you for coming on the show.
You are...
A welcome guest.
I will treat you as I treat every guest with the utmost of respect.
I will, as you know, start this show with my usual introduction.
And then what we will do is, as I sent you the email, we will read through the emails that were sent between us before coming on this show so that this way we have full transparency with our audience.
Who's showing that page there?
That would be Mr. Fetzer.
Okay. Okay, cool.
So let me do the introduction.
Here we go.
Thank you to the worldwide audience who is joining us for this debate, which really will expose one of us, either myself as a psychopathic stolen valor criminal who is a fraud,
or Jim Fetzer.
There will be consequences to this debate in the court of public opinion with evidence being presented.
Both of us will have the opportunity to share the screen to give the evidence that we have that has been made publicly by one another.
To the world on our platforms.
So let me begin by saying, this is the Maverick artist, Victor Hugo, reporting modern art gonzo journalism for the Modern Art Music Movement.
It is April 23rd, 2025, reporting from the former Soviet Union, Republic of Georgia, near the border with Russia, Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.
My job is not to be politically correct.
It is to witness, observe, analyze, and document.
The beautiful chaos that surrounds us all so that future generations can understand how we got to this moment in time where we are experiencing an information war, censorship on steroids.
Again, I call out to the mainstream media and also to the alternative media to report on the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu and...
The ambassador to Israel are bragging that they are using governments and private corporations to censor interviews like this, which are very important.
So please, do your job.
The interview that I did with Ken O'Keefe is still not being put out to the public yet, and somebody needs to be reporting on this.
So that being said, full transparency, because right now there's also a crisis of credibility going on.
It's already happened in the...
Mainstream news media where nobody trusts CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or CBS.
After the COVID that was made crystal clear with their take the safe and effective bioweapons disguised as vaccines, which are now hurting families around the world.
So now it turns out that Jim Fetzer has thrust myself.
Todd Callender and others, because Todd Callender is a regular contributor on SGT Report, and Stu Peters, a show that both myself and Jim Fetzer have recently appeared on.
Ironically enough, mine was a show about censorship, which I had a segment that was censored on Mike Adams' Brideon.
So in the interest of transparency, both Curtis, who is just hosting this, Jim Fetzer, Who is going to have his equal time?
We are going to, in our own voices, read the emails that transpired just minutes before putting on this show so that the audience knows exactly how this whole thing went down.
So if I may share screen, Curtis...
If you would like, you can read your part in your voice, or if you want, I can read my part in my voice.
Jim Fetzer, I ask that you please read your emails in your voice, please.
My role in this was to set up and organize the live stream.
I don't want to be a part of your argument beyond that here.
I just did the technical side of it.
If you'd like to invite me to enforce time limits on people's speech, I can fill that role, but only if the two of you agree upon that.
The reason why I don't recommend that, and that's part of the emails that we're going to be reading, is because people who watch the show are expecting an organic and unrehearsed conversation.
Now, that being said, I also know that Mr. Fetzer has said that he only has an hour before he has to go on to another show.
So, because there are a lot of points that you guys would like to discuss, Mr. Wynn Young...
And Stolen Valor, it might be better to simply publish those emails at a separate time, because that will take a lot of time out of the remaining 50 minutes that we have left.
Yeah, thanks for that.
Thank you for that, Curtis, because I assumed a debate would mean an exchange of views with equal time.
Equal time.
I'm glad to hear that.
But you're right.
If we devote time to those emails, which Victor is welcome to publish separately, we'll lose the opportunity to discuss the substantial issues.
Exactly. I respectfully disagree with both of you, because as the audience is realizing this is unrehearsed, and what I want people to understand is the critical issues are about trust.
And what I feel is something about trust is, Somebody asks to come on this show.
I graciously accept the invitation.
And then minutes before coming on the show, they notify me that they have an hour and that they have parameters where, quite literally, Jim Fetzer says in his final email, which, Victor knows my schedule, which is not true.
That's a complete assumption, Jim.
I don't know your schedule.
I'm not your mama.
Fairness does not appear to be high on your agenda.
I don't know where you're coming from because that's not the case.
You have as long as you want.
I did not say that you only had an hour.
I'm giving you like Kevin, like Ken O'Keefe.
You can have up to five hours if you want.
Depends on how important you think your credibility is.
And then just give us each 30 minutes and let it go.
Victor can rant when I'm gone.
The audacity of you, Jim, to think that you could come on the show.
And then just speak for 30 minutes in your voice, which is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
And then you leave.
That's not a debate.
That's a sermon, Jim.
So I think it's important for the audience to read the emails and the conditions that you have set forth because it's not going to take long.
Really, all you have to do is show the evidence that you have against me as being stolen valor, which will take you less than a minute.
A letter from a psychiatrist pointing out that I am a psychopath, as you've been claiming on these shows, which will also take less than a minute.
And then pretty much you could just drop the mic and leave.
Because at that point, you will be a criminal and I will be subject to arrest because stolen valor is a criminal charge.
So if you want to get into everything else, it will take me but a minute, Jim.
Victor, Victor, Victor, you can't even be honest about the exchange here.
I mean, this is so disgusting.
Your stolen valor is manifest.
I will prove it.
It was not I who said you were a psychopath.
It was Charlie Carter.
You can't even understand the sources of these allegations.
The guy who knows you very well turned on you and repudiated you, Victor.
And you may want to just toss it off, but he makes a pretty convincing case.
As far as your narcissistic personality, everyone who's ever encountered you understands and recognizes it.
So if you want stolen valor, let me go to it here.
Well, first, Jim, let's go ahead.
Of course you're going to talk over me, Victor.
You're not ever going to give me an opportunity to present.
For equal time.
And if you were not prepared to host a debate, why did you volunteer?
It's the meaning of the word.
Curtis. Curtis is okay.
So here we have the debate set up.
You're not going to railroad.
You're not going to railroad.
He wants to read.
He wants to read.
Where are the snails on a chalkboard?
It's pretty absurd if you ask me.
But look how he's made an attack after attack after attack.
This guy has put hundreds, hundreds of videos attacking me and my colleagues, Bill Bonetati, Carl Herman.
Hold on a second.
Do you have the evidence?
No, Jim, your original statement was you won't show stolen valor, you'll show stolen valor.
Here's a great point, place to begin with.
That's not the point you said.
You said you were going to show stolen valor.
Let me just make this point.
Victor is...
No, no, no.
Don't do that.
I'm not allowed you to be a bully.
I'm not allowed you to be a bully.
Jim Fetcher is a bully and he's a fraud because I have my DD-214 right here and I am ready to show it to the world.
I have the proof right here.
I have the evidence.
And Jim, you're not doing a debate.
This isn't a debate I'm not going to allow you.
I'm going to speak over you, Jim, because this isn't your show.
You're just embarrassing yourself.
What I'm going to do right now, I'm going to be quiet and let you embarrass yourself.
Someone is embarrassing themselves, but I think, Victor, it's obviously not me.
You are making statements you know are false.
You're acting with actual malice.
You know it's false, but you're recklessly disregarding the truth.
And, of course, you're violating the terms of both Mitchute and Rompel, which include disseminating personal information about another individual for malevolent purposes, including libel, slander, doxing.
Now, Dr. Fetzer, when you started speaking, you said you chose stolen valor.
What does that point have to do with stolen valor?
Can we please cover one argument at a time?
...in a straightforward fashion.
Here we go.
Stolen valor.
Veteran American refugee living in the Russian border.
I'm now living as a veteran, American refugee near the border with Russia and the Middle East in the former Soviet bloc country.
Now, a veteran, as we all know, is a person who has served in the active military, Naval Air, Space Service of the United States, and was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.
The definition outlined in Title 38 of the U.S. Code is used to determine eligibility for various benefits and services.
Now look!
Here we have Victor, veteran American refugee speaking truth to power.
My name is Victor Yugovaka Jr.
I served as a midshipman officer at the United States Naval Academy and received an honorable discharge after being a whistleblower who exposed toxic leadership at the highest levels of government and military following the attempted cover-up of the sexual assault of a female midshipman officer.
Now, just look at that.
Here he's saying he was a midshipman and he was discharged honorably.
That may all well be true, but a midshipman is not...
A person on active duty.
A midshipman is not a veteran.
He's displaying stolen valor.
And listen, you go back to this photograph.
That's him as a freshman at the Naval Academy.
No one who's ever served in the military would use their lowest rank in a photograph.
Look at mine, for example, where I was commissioned in the Marine Corps.
Graduation from Princeton, lower left, you can see.
I served, among other places, at the Rico Depot in San Diego.
Here I am.
When I was promoted to captain, my wife put on my bars.
Now, if Victor actually had served in the military, we'd have something other than this midshipman photograph, which in my opinion is proof, combined with his admission here, that he was discharged after being a midshipman.
A midshipman is not an active duty officer.
I was a midshipman.
I was in ROTC at Princeton, but I would never have parlayed that into claiming I was a veteran.
You are displaying a stolen valor victor out of your own words.
You are displaying a stolen valor victor out of your own words.
Go ahead, reply.
Victor, if you're speaking, we can't hear you right now.
You need to unmute yourself somewhere.
That's all you got, Jim.
What more does it take?
Apparently. I don't know.
Are you going to let me speak now?
So, you know, you say that's all I got.
You're asking for me to add more.
If you are honorably discharged as a midshipman for Toxic, that's great, but it does not make you a veteran.
That's fraudulent.
That's a false claim.
That is stolen valor, Victor, of which you have.
Convicted yourself.
Out. Out.
Out. Thank you.
I'm still waiting for evidence that will actually convict me in a court of law, Jim.
What you've provided is nothing.
I have the DD-214.
And you've also provided your ignorance to the audience because any way you slice it...
As a midshipman officer, I rated a salute.
And if you were enlisted, you would have had to have saluted me.
So that's the fact, Jack.
Anybody could look that up.
Now, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Why are you sharing screen when I want to show people my DD-214 to expose you as a liar and a fraud?
Wait a minute.
You spoke for a long amount of time, and now you're talking about the debate, and you're not allowing me to show the evidence, and now you're not allowing me to speak.
Jim, you're a bully.
You're being exposed to the world for who you are.
Victor, if you don't call me a bully, you're the biggest bully on the block.
I've never seen anyone like you on the internet.
Your cyberbullying is notorious and legendary.
Thank you, Jim.
I take that as a compliment coming from a gangster like you.
People think that just because you're old that people should show pity on you.
You're an evil man, Jim.
I've got people who have told me that you tried to destroy them because of what they did with 9-11.
No, anyway, I've got the receipts.
Let me share the screen here with the audience here so that they can see that what he's saying is simply, as usual, just nothing but...
Lies. Okay.
Let me know when you can...
Actually, you know what?
I have to show you the...
I have to stop sharing the screen.
And I will show you here what's called a DD...
DD214. Okay?
That's my name right there.
Okay? That's...
And then on the bottom, you will see...
That it says honorable discharge, okay, from the United States Naval Academy, okay, and that it was voluntary because, Jim, you also lied and said that I was booted and thrown out of the Academy.
It was speculation, Victor.
I didn't say it was true.
But your behavior and conduct is such that it wouldn't surprise anyone if you'd been given the boot.
And you're telling me you were discharged from the Naval Academy as proof conclusive you never served on active duty as a naval officer.
Stolen valor from your own mouth.
Jim. First of all, you've just exposed yourself as a so-called journalist who goes by speculation.
We're living in a very dangerous world where lies are at stake.
You can shrug your shoulders all you want, Fetzer.
But the fact is, we're dealing in a world that's about to explode and people trust you because they think you have facts.
They think you bring receipts like I do to the table.
And you've just admitted here to the world that you're...
Voice is nothing but speculation based on your opinion.
And I'll tell you what, I'm going to show you something else that people should see.
You're so sloppy in your reasoning.
How can anyone take you seriously?
You don't draw this detail.
No one's saying you weren't honorably discharged.
We're saying you never served as an officer.
Did you ever hold the rank of ensign?
Victor Hugo, did you ever hold the rank of ensign?
No, Jim, and you're lucky I didn't because I received an honorable discharge because I was a whistleblower because I was being groomed by toxins.
Hold on a second.
Let me speak.
Jim, you don't know.
Jim, you don't know.
You don't know.
Jim, I'm surprised you even know what day it is, Jim.
Look, Jim, I have a psychologist.
Like the person that you quote, Joaquin Hagopian, I have a degree in psychology.
And you know what?
I think that not only are you a narcissist, but I believe, like so many others, including your wife, you've gone on and said, she thinks you've got early-onset dementia, Jim.
So, as a psychologist with a degree, not a PhD in philosophy as you have.
Oh, I was waiting for you to say that.
Please, Jim, say, Victor, listen to me.
Please say that, Jim.
What would you know about anything like that, Victor?
I have a degree.
Like you, Jim.
I have a degree.
You don't have to be a PhD to figure out that you're suffering from early onset dementia, going out in public and claiming that you're an expert and using, like, what did you say?
Your opinion to diagnose me?
Jim, I didn't have to be an ensign.
A midshipman officer rates a salute.
I never claimed to be active-duty.
Find me anywhere where I am lying and claiming to be active-duty.
You don't have to be active-duty going to get your brains...
Wait a minute, let me finish speaking, Jim.
Stop being a bully, okay?
Just because you're old doesn't mean I have to respect an evil man with dementia.
Listen to me.
Listen to me, Jim.
I bet you wanted to hear that.
Jim, Jim, listen to me.
Listen to me, okay?
I have a psychology degree.
I have the proof, okay?
If Joaquin Hagopian and you can diagnose me as narcissist and psychotic, and then you're claiming that Charles Carter, who made a video in a drunken stupor after speaking to you, is reason why people should believe?
He doesn't even have a degree like this.
Second of all, the hours before making that video, he was saying that you were a hypocrite and that you were grasping at straws.
So really, should we believe him?
Because he said a lot of things about you, Jim.
So what are you saying?
That we should believe certain things but not other things?
Hold on a second, Jim.
I'm not done.
Okay? Show some respect.
This is a debate because I'm not done with you.
No, I'm not done with you, Jim.
I think the world...
I like your laugh.
I like your laugh.
Absolutely, John.
You've admitted you're only a midshipman.
You never were a Nansen.
You never served on active duty.
You're not a veteran.
Stolen valor proven.
Case closed.
QED. You're a phony, you're a fraud, and you're the biggest liar I've ever encountered on planet Earth.
Wow. Okay, Jim.
And you've met a lot of liars, I'm sure, since you've written books about Sandy Hook and JFK, all the people in those books you claim are liars.
I guess I'll take that as a compliment.
Your leaps in logic are bizarre.
You have no mental stability in this whole business.
Look, my wife disagrees with me about Sandy Hook and about Donald Trump.
This is very typical of you taking things out of context.
Just as proof, I've actually done pre-dementia exams.
They're a 30-point scale.
The first one, I got 27. Totally normal.
The second one, 28. Totally normal.
I even took an MRI.
No problem here.
This guy has medical...
When was the last one?
When was the last one?
You're wise.
You're wise.
When was the last one, Jim?
When was the last one?
And can you show us the proof?
Because again, everything coming out of your mouth is subjective.
Look, Victor, you really-Well, show us the proof.
I'm bringing receipts.
Here it is, a veteran is a person who has served in the active military.
You never served in the active military.
You're not a veteran.
May I ask whose definition that is?
You are claiming to be a veteran living near the Russian border.
Jim, whose definition is that?
Where can I find that definition?
Curtis, you don't understand what it is to be a veteran is to have served in active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States.
This is common knowledge.
I am a veteran of the Marine Corps.
Victor is not a veteran of any service.
It's a total fraud.
I can't believe you wouldn't know something as elementary as that.
Well, I didn't see a cited source for where you pulled that definition.
And so I asked for where the source was.
It's common knowledge.
Pull it up.
No, no, no.
It's common knowledge is not an adequate answer.
Where is the source?
Not an adequate answer.
Everyone knows what it means to me.
And what we got here is digital harassment and cyberbullying abounding.
Bill sent when dozens of my current legal briefs.
Lynn's never read any of them.
Kevin told Victor to his face he was wrong to claim I'd thrown my case, and he was there observing in court.
Kevin even published an article about my legal win.
So you have refused to provide a source for your definition.
You have refused to provide a source for your definition.
Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim.
Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim.
Settle down.
This is a debate, Jim.
You're showing your true colors.
Jim. This is from a viewer.
This is Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim.
Jim, listen to me.
This is from a viewer.
Yes, yes.
Jim, meanwhile, here's a comment from your own viewer.
It says, this is from Not Played.
It says, remember to ask Dr. Fetzer why there's no evidence he ever served in the U.S. Marine Corps or why there's no DD-214 discharge document recorded under his name.
Just listen to your own audience, Jim.
Pay some respect here.
Or why his only surviving service photo appears to be an altered photo of John McCain.
Or why nobody remembers serving with him.
Can you answer any of those?
Can you just provide your DD-214, Jim?
Let's do that.
I provided mine.
Oh, yes, of course.
There are photographs right there of me in uniform.
There's a photograph of me having my Captain Bart put on by my then wife, my first wife.
Hey, I have photographs of me, too.
In Princeton, right there.
I have photographs of me, too, climbing Mount Everest.
That doesn't mean I did it.
You just lie and lie and lie.
Your bullshit is legion, Victor.
You are a disgrace.
Can you provide...
This little group here on the audience, you're a disgrace to humanity.
Jim, simple.
I provided my DB214.
Can you please provide your DB214?
You got one.
I went through all this before, years ago.
I dug up the 214.
I had someone claiming they'd contribute $50,000 to my legal...
Oh, so you did it for money.
So you did it for money, Jim.
So you did it for money.
So you're admitting that you will sell your soul to anybody who asks you to do...
So you're a bitch then.
For $50,000, Jim, if I give you $50,000, will you lie for me?
Absolutely not.
I'd lie for no man.
Oh, really?
What's your price then, Jim?
What's your price?
If you're willing to do that for $50,000, what are you willing to do for $100,000?
What I do is to show the DD-214.
I'd show the DD-214.
He said if I'd show the DD-214 to get $50,000, then he did not do it.
Oh, really?
Photographs of me as a commission, as a second lieutenant, serving as a first lieutenant, being promoted to captain.
What more could one ask for?
I have the DD-214, but it's in the garage, in the trunk with my uniform.
You would have thought for a debate.
You would have thought for a debate about integrity and honor that you would have thought to bring that.
Anyway, here you go, Victor.
Here's where you, again, you claim you are a naval officer.
You were never a naval officer.
Can you see the screen?
Can you see the screen here?
Okay, it says right here.
I'm going to read to the audience.
And you can see how Jim Setzer thinks he can just go ahead and railroad this entire thing.
Jim Fetzer, literally, minutes before the debate, sends this email.
From running for U.S. president, hanging four-foot penis paintings across from the VIP section of Art Basel.
Whatever he goes, controversy seems to follow.
Yes, one of Miami's strangest.
You thrive on it.
Are you a closeted homosexual, Jim?
It's astonishing.
Honest question.
I keep hearing you speak about four-foot penises, Jim.
Is it because you are ashamed of what you're packing downstairs, or are you a closeted homosexual, Jim?
Why do you keep talking about four-foot penises?
Jim, listen to me.
Are you a closeted homosexual?
Jim, listen to me.
Do you have a four-inch penis?
Is that why you keep dreaming of a four-foot penis?
Jim, does your wife know that you dream of four-foot penises and have been talking about four-foot penises on every show that you go on?
Jim, answer the question.
Listen to this.
No, Jim, you listen to me.
Jim, answer the question.
Are you a closeted homosexual?
This is a debate.
I'm asking you a question.
You're not answering the question.
You're a closeted homosexual.
Jim, why do you keep talking about people?
Jim, why do you keep talking about four-foot penises?
This is the man that wants people to take him seriously.
You really want people to take you seriously.
You come to a debate and you bring stories about four foot penises and then you won't even answer the question if you're a closet homosexual.
What does four foot penises have to do with stolen valor?
He's been on his bizarre rant, his narcissistic rampage forever.
Jim, are you a closeted homosexual?
Let's move on.
Jim, answer the question.
It's a yes or no question.
Jim, are you a closeted homosexual?
Look at my book.
Jim, are you a closeted homosexual?
This is unbelievable.
Anyway, for the audience that's watching, read the emails that Jim Fetzer has sent.
There you go with penises again, Jim.
But he can't provide a DD214.
I'm only a journalist with incredible integrity who simply reports...
I never said that!
Jim, do you realize you're putting words in my mouth?
Holy cow!
I was going to show that!
...as a government agent.
I'm glad you're saying that.
...published exposes about JFK 9-11, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, Charlottesville, Parkland, even the moon landing, when replied...
Some of these ops are very clever at creating covers.
This isn't a debate.
This is you reading a sense of slander that you put out there trying to boost your sales for your books.
This is pathetic.
So this is a debate.
This is what Jim Fetzer considers a debate, reading from something that he wrote to tell his books.
Winn knew that Fetzer, like Alex Jones, had thrown his case because he didn't have insurance and could have handled it differently.
When asked how insurance, which would have paid off any liability arising from the publication of his book, made a difference to his arguments in court, Winn declared, don't be silly.
He didn't do what I would have done, which is proof enough.
When it was observed that Victor Hugo had also appeared on Stu Peters, Wynn was emphatic.
I know government ops when I see them.
You don't need evidence.
You don't even want proof.
The Gonzo journalist himself said, Wynn was backed by notable attorney Todd Collender, who was mute listening to Wynn spell out his case against Fetzer.
When asked how they could possibly know without having read his book, any of his briefs, or watched any of his videos, he replied, we'd explain that already.
Once you know someone is an op, you don't want to look at anything they've done because you already know it's propaganda.
Contaminate it.
Case closed.
For further substantiating his role as an op, Victor Hugo added.
Just look at his coverage of JFK, which demonstrate beyond all doubt.
That Jim Fetzer is a government op.
Case closed.
That's your style.
Those who have taken a look at what Fetzer's done about JFK in three books that shattered the cover-up, and a fourth that exposes who is responsible and why, have been baffled by his allegations.
You can take my word for it.
As a former naval officer turned to otters, Jim Fetzer is a cop.
Am I correct in understanding that we're now shifting from the discussion of stolen valor to the discussion of Wyn Young's allegations?
Am I to understand that we've shifted from discussing stolen valor to Wyn Young's allegations?
What are you saying?
I asked, am I correct in understanding we have shifted the conversation From stolen valor to the allegations of Mr. Wyn Young.
I'm just trying to clarify what the point being made is.
Yes, because Victor has been promoting them, even though they know better.
They both know they're false.
Victor was even with Kevin Barrett, and Kevin Barrett told him he was wrong about me throwing the case because Kevin Barrett was there.
He was in the court for the trial for damage.
All of Wyn Young's allegations had to do with the bureaucratic paperwork filing and nothing to do with the arguments of the case itself.
It was about whether or not the paperwork was filed correctly.
What the hell are you talking about?
Paperwork? What paperwork?
What are you talking about?
Enter your evidence in the court.
The judge?
Would not allow me to introduce a mass of evidence I had.
Take a look at this, and I'm very pleased we're going to get there.
Can I ask you, Jim?
I thought this was a debate.
So far, you've been totally...
Here you go.
I'll just leave.
I'll leave.
You can leave.
It's your show now.
It's your show.
Okay, thank you.
Here's a complaint.
The initial complaint was that I had...
Had falsely declared a death certificate for a child to be false.
Well, here's a death certificate on the left.
It has no file number, no town or state verification.
The death certificate attached to the complaint had both a file number, handwritten, and And town and state certification, where the town certifies the contents accurate, the state that it's a true copy.
Get this.
The circuit court, at the outset of the case, narrowly limited its focus, advising Fetzer that whether Sandy Hook occurred was beyond the scope of the action, stating...
I can't allow you to...
Listen to that.
Whether or not Sandy Hook...
I can't allow you to...
I can't allow you to continue lying to the audience.
Jim, I can't allow you to continue lying to the audience.
Jim, I can't allow you to continue lying to the audience.
Jim, it says it right here.
Jim, Jim, it says right here.
The audience can read it.
All you gotta do is go to...
Wikipedia. The Supreme Court of the United States denied on October 3, 2022.
Curtis, can you see evidence that I'm presenting?
So Jim Fetcher is lying to the audience, and I'll show them the evidence.
Right here.
Here's the proof.
Look at this.
This is the evidence that he does not show because he apparently suffers from dementia.
It was docketed May 2022.
Look it up.
Here's the proof, people.
If you're a real journalist, petition denied October 3rd, 2022.
Here you go.
December 5th, 2022.
Rehearing denied.
This is absolutely absurd.
Take a closer look.
It's absurd.
So now you're claiming that the Supreme Court of the United States is absurd.
You're probably right, Jim.
But this outs you.
Because you can't show proof.
People can find this themselves.
A real journalist can find this themselves.
Jim, you're not allowed...
You know why?
Because you have dementia.
And because you suffer from a small penis.
Because you keep talking about four feet penis.
This is unbelievable how you've exposed yourself.
You've ruined your career, Jim.
In the last moments, in the twilight of your life, you've exposed yourself as a crazy bastard.
There's a stolen valor in Spain.
You're back to stolen valor.
Now we're back to stolen valor.
There's Charlie denouncing him.
Holy cow!
Oh, Charlie!
Oh, now we've got a drunken...
You're passing your entire career on Charlie Carter.
That's an phenomenal trip.
Man told Victor to his face he was wrong.
I'd throw my case and he was serving in court.
You've been skyrocketed to the top of Jim Fetcher's credibility.
Wow. I published an open letter with links to multiple briefs.
It's impossible to throw a case when you're still in court.
Ron Avery is still in court.
Look at this.
Here's the evidence.
It was denied.
What court are you in?
What court are you in?
Because you're not in the U.S. Court of Appeals of Wisconsin.
It says it right here, Jim.
It says it right here.
Oh, now we're into cyberbullying because I'm showing evidence that you're a fraud, Jim.
Right here.
Proceedings and orders.
You can find this right here.
Look at this.
It's right here.
Petition denied, Jim.
October 3rd, 2022.
Petition denied.
How can you deny this evidence, Jim?
How come you've never shown this to the people?
How come you're lying to everybody, Jim?
I've given it to you, for God's sake.
Everybody knows it.
Oh, you've given this to me.
Really, everybody knows it, huh?
Everybody knows it.
Everybody knows that you talk about four-foot penises, Jim, and that you don't know how to debate.
Jim, this isn't a debate.
This isn't a debate, okay?
You haven't shown your DD-214.
That's an opportunity to lie and slander and defame.
Victor, your time will come.
I'm telling you.
Now you're threatening me.
Now you're threatening me, huh?
You're threatening me like you did Judy Woodruff, huh?
When she went against you and she's now in hiding.
I'm trying to get her on the show, by the way, so she can describe what a horrible human being is.
Anybody that tries to go against you, Jim, you hire thugs to go against...
I've got the threats that Russ Winter have been sending you, Jim.
And you are nevertheless acting with reckless disregard for whether it was false or not.
You are there.
I have the case.
I have the proof.
I expect I'm going to prevail in these cases and reverse it.
Jim, you're not going to live long enough.
They haven't even accepted your stuff.
You see you as a crazy old man shouting outside the courts.
Do you realize that, Jim?
The court system sees you as a crazy old man.
They haven't accepted your...
Case, you're filings, Jim.
You're screaming like a lunatic at the moon.
You're screaming like a lunatic.
Yes, yes, Jim.
Yes. Because you say so, we're supposed to believe it.
Listen to this, Jim.
More defamation.
I'm glad we got around.
I'm very glad.
This is Jim.
Everyone who sought to inform him is astonishing to me.
I'd like you to rumble and allow this to continue.
Because you're disturbing personal information from others with malevolent purpose.
You're doing libel, slander, doxing, defamation, violation of right to privacy.
Your content infringes on or encroaches on the rights of others, including but not limiting to infringement of privacy, publicity, rights, and harm to reputation.
You're there, Victor.
You have done it.
Just because we have a higher standard for you, my friend, with actual malice, it's here in spades.
Here in spades.
You know what you're saying is false and you continue to say it.
And hiding behind the ruse of being a reporter ain't going to get you off the hook because you know better.
While you guys were there...
If you look at the video, you almost seem disinterested in what he has to say.
There's no defending and you allowed it.
And that is so the victor is the kind of guy who thinks that, oh, I'm okay.
Everybody's cool with what I'm saying.
Patrice! When he gets six hands from the show...
Who is this?
Who is this supposed to mean?
...the same opportunity that Brian likes to defend himself from the whole thing.
That's all I'm saying.
Frankly, I don't give a damn what Victor Hugo thinks.
He's so abusive.
He's been so obnoxious.
He's been so...
Over the top.
He's been so disgusting and irresponsible.
I don't give a damn what he thinks.
Patrice! Listen to me!
Patrice! He's been so disgusting.
Why don't I give a damn what he thinks?
Patrice! Patrice!
Listen to me!
Patrice! Yeah.
She, like Victor, doesn't care about facts.
They don't care about that.
I'm still in court.
They don't care I have four appeals.
They don't care if I'm actively engaged in a case where I obviously cannot have thrown it because I'm still fighting it.
That's how bad it is.
That had nothing to do with the point she was making.
Patrice! He's not going to apologize.
He's so obnoxious.
He's been so over the top.
He's been so disgusting in Arizona.
I don't give a damn things.
Patrice! Patrice!
Listen to me!
Patrice! Look at these different...
Hundreds of these!
I mean, the guy's just gone off the deep end.
Something is very, very wrong with this Victor Hugo Baca.
Who would do hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of videos attacking me or Carl or Baca?
I mean, it's just unbelievable.
I don't think anyone...
Look at this and not think something is terribly wrong with a guy who did this.
I mean, it's really unbelievable.
Patrice! Listen to me.
Patrice! So, Jim, this is how you debate.
That's what that's supposed to mean, Victor.
You're a guy who's got hundreds of vicious, sadistic videos.
People's personal information, committing defamation.
You're really in a category all by yourself.
All by yourself, Victor.
Unbelievable. Look at this.
Look at this.
Anyone. Go to Victor Hugo, Jim Fetzer, and you'll see how bad it is.
This is just a sample.
This is just a sample.
Unbelievable. Patrice, listen to me.
Patrice! Jim, are you ready to have a debate now?
Any normal person looking at this would say, this guy's not.
Any normal person would say that, Victor.
Very bizarre.
And then you persist.
False claim?
Yeah, of course.
False claim.
And Witt, I think, runs the risk of losing his license because attorneys are supposed to act according to the truth.
He's not going to be so disgusting and irresponsible.
I don't give a damn what he thinks.
Jim, are you ready to debate now or are you going to keep railroading the audience that came here for a debate by reading articles?
You never wanted a debate.
Patrice! Patrice!
Listen to me!
Listen to me!
You're playing this as a perfect proof.
You don't care about it.
You wanted to have me here to treat me like a piñata.
And I'm not going wrong with it, Victor.
You're a bit overwhelming.
You know better.
You're going ahead under the pretense of being a journalist.
Falsely claiming you have integrity.
I've never known anybody left.
All right, Jim, are you ready to have a debate now, or are we going to have to keep listening to you be a misogynist and how you bully people and talk over them?
Because that's basically what you've done.
You project.
You project all the time.
And, Victor, you know, I have the show on Revolution Radio here in seven minutes.
Seven minutes.
You're wasting all the time on this.
So go ahead.
Add a rant.
Add another rant.
You're famous for your rants.
Jim, can I ask you the question that you have yet to answer?
And I'm going to stop sharing the screen so people can see us now.
This is a valid question that I asked you, like, long ago.
I stopped sharing the screen.
Are you a closeted homosexual?
God, ask all my girlfriends, Victor.
That's so absurd.
Why would you say that?
See, this is a...
A baseless phenomenon that reflects the low level of your activity, of the kind of person you are, Victor.
You are revealing yourself.
And I wasn't talking about four-foot phalluses.
That was you.
That was in 2008, Victor.
Yeah, we know.
But you never served as an officer.
As a certified psychologist, I must say, answering that simple question to doubt whether or not you are in fact a causative...
It's embarrassing that you're on the internet at all, frankly.
What's your fascination with four-foot penises, Jim?
What's your fascination?
It's not mine.
Why did you put four-foot penises on this debate?
What is four-foot penis talking about?
You're talking about Victor Hugo Vaca?
What did you miss?
What did you miss?
Victor Hugo Vaca.
Not Jim Fetzer.
Victor Hugo Vaca.
Has a creative way of putting a point across.
Protests the nastiness of bureaucracy.
Wayward, fiercely opinionated naval officer turned artist, Dolan Valma, has tried everything running for U.S. president to hang him.
Four-foot penis paintings across a BIP section in Art Basel.
Are you denying you did that, Victor?
Let's get another lie on the record.
Are you denying you did that?
Is this story from the New Times 2008 false, or is it true?
Jim, I'm still waiting for you to answer the question if you're a closeted homosexual.
You're not answering mine.
I'm not the one who hung these paintings out, Victor.
That's all yours, my friend.
That's not how a debate works.
I've had plenty of girlfriends.
I've been married twice.
I have two children.
And, you know, it's a reflection of your growth on that people character that you want to project.
One of the things you requested would not be me, Victor.
This is amazing.
This is amazing.
It's pathetic.
It's pathetic.
You cannot even acknowledge.
You're wrong about my throwing the case, but I'm still in court fighting it.
Do you not have a modicum of decency to admit that you are wrong?
You're committing defamation, you're committing it with malice because you know you're wrong.
Kevin's been told, they've been given copies of briefs, you know you are wrong.
False statements and in reckless disregard of the truth.
Victor, we've got your number.
Yes, yes, Jim.
So, again, it's a yes or no question.
Are you a closeted homosexual?
No, and it's obvious.
I've had two minutes of thoughts.
I don't know, Jim.
I've never met anybody.
Victor, are you a closeted homosexual?
It's a yes or no question, Victor.
I already answered it.
Preoccupation with four-foot penises, Victor.
Why did you put those paintings out there?
Are you going to lie and say you didn't do it?
Did you do it or did you not?
I did not, Jim, and here's the evidence.
Just to show people your preoccupation.
With a four-foot penis, Jim, because you obviously may not believe that you're a closeted homosexual, but if you see a four-foot penis in this painting, then your wife may be...
That's Victor Hugo Vaca.
Victor, you have it.
That's not a four-foot penis.
I think that's wonderful.
You know what that is?
I don't know what more we could see to show Victor Hugo.
Jim, will you let me speak?
Jim, listen to me.
Jim, listen to me.
Listen to me, Jim.
There's a woman.
Jim, listen.
Listen, Jim.
There's a woman with red hair.
There's a woman with red hair.
There are breasts there.
This is her buttocks.
She's wearing high heels.
These are two snails at a water fountain.
You see a full-foot penis here.
It's got your name on it, not mine.
Yeah, no joke.
And I'm proud of it.
You know why?
Because it shows that you're a closeted homosexual.
You're proud of that!
I see a woman with red hair, and you see a big four-foot penis, Jim.
That speaks volumes about you.
Jim, you don't see the woman with red hair?
She's right there.
She's got red hair.
Her breasts, her butt, she's wearing high heels.
These are two snails, Jim, and this is a water fountain.
You see a four-foot penis, Jim.
You see a four-foot penis, you perfected old man.
You perverted old man, Tim.
This was the most ridiculous debate.
You've exposed yourself, Tim.
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