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The Raw Deal (9 April 2025) "Fearsome 3-some +1" w/ Russ Winter, Joachim Hagopian, and Bill Bonitati

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	I have invited the others for the gruesome, the fearsome threesome today and hope they will be able to join.
	No, I ain't.
	Eh...
	Meanwhile, we have Iran prepping for negotiations with U.S. Russia and China have Iran's back.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Netanyahu says an Iran deal would only work if the nuclear facilities were blown up.
	You can well imagine that's not going to happen.
	Completely ridiculous idea.
	We have a Russian lower house parliament ratifying a pact with...
	With a rant for a 20-year defense deal.
	20 years.
	How wonderful is that?
	I'm very, very pleased.
	We also have on Lou Rockwell, we have Caitlin Johnson reporting that if they tell you They tell you the Houthis attack ships but they never tell you why.
	Absolutely correct.
	And of course they never tell you why because it's all on the up and up.
	Because they have declared war on Israel and they're entitled to interdict the ships that are headed to Israel but they don't want the world to know that this is all honest on the part of the Houthis.
	Whom I admire beyond words.
	I mean, it's just wonderful the Houthis are doing their thing.
	Bear in mind, here we have part of the report.
	Colonel Wilkerson, by the way, on the Truth Seeker, says if the U.S., you think the U.S. can beat Iran?
	Yemen. Just crush that illusion.
	Listen up.
	up.
	Good to be with you, Neiman.
	had a meeting between Donald Trump and Netanyahu in which they were talking about Gaza.
	And here is what Donald Trump said, Larry.
	I don't understand why Israel ever gave it up.
	Israel owned it.
	It wasn't this man, so I can say it.
	He wouldn't have given it up.
	I know him very well.
	There's no way.
	They took oceanfront property and they gave it to people for peace.
	How did that work out?
	Not good.
	Is the immigration plan still on the agenda?
	Which immigration?
	From Gaza.
	From Gaza.
	All it is is a concept that I had that I think is good, and now people are copying it, you know?
	People are talking about the Trump plan.
	Gee, why don't we do that?
	Would you like to answer that question?
	I think what the president talked about is, first of all, to give people a choice.
	Gaza was closed in.
	Any other place, including in arenas of battle.
	I mean, whether it's Ukraine or Syria or any other place, people could leave.
	Gaza was the only place where they locked them in.
	We didn't lock them in.
	They're locked in.
	And what is wrong with giving people a choice?
	Now, we've been talking, including over lunch, about some countries, I won't go into them right now, that are saying, you know, if Gazans want to leave, we want to take them in.
	And I think this is the right thing to do.
	If you give, you know, it's going to take years to rebuild.
	In the meantime, people can have an option.
	The president has a vision.
	Countries are responding to that vision.
	Larry, your take?
	Well, I'd already watched that, and I found it very painful to watch.
	I don't know who was the most sickening.
	I know who was the most ignorant: Donald Trump.
	Netanyahu knows the real facts, so his appearance was just lying.
	Let's just face it for a second.
	This is a man who ran very, very accurately described by Gideon Levy and others from Haaretz and other places of critical thought, a concentration camp, an open-air concentration camp.
	We know exactly why Israel.
	Turn Gaza over to the Palestinians.
	They were getting beat the hell out of in the place, and they felt, and rightfully so, I think, the IDF leadership in particular, that they didn't need to be in there, that they could constrain the Gazans, as it were, much easier from the outside than the inside.
	They didn't count on the elections.
	I think Bibi Netanyahu did count on the elections that put Hamas in power because Bibi Netanyahu has been alive with Hamas ever since those elections.
	He's been passing money to them from Qatar and other places.
	He's alive with them because they are adamantly against the two-state solution, whereas, for example, the Palestinian Authority, ill-led by Mahmoud Abbas and other Palestinians, but nonetheless were for a two-state solution.
	So he used Hamas to fight.
	The Palestinian Authority.
	And he kept them in a concentration camp.
	And listen to what he said.
	Other people have a choice of leaving.
	They have a choice of leaving or die.
	They have a choice of leaving or have their mosque and their hospitals and their villages bombed to smithereens.
	They have a choice of leaving.
	And he compares it with Ukraine.
	What a joke.
	I mean, I had difficulty watching these two people.
	First of all, Trump is so ignorant of history.
	Can't put two English sentences together to make a coherent thought.
	And Netanyahu's over there just nodding his head and looking like his fat, genocidal self.
	And this is in my Oval Office.
	This is in the Oval Office of the President of the United States.
	This is utterly disgusting.
	And yet, the American people seem, all 340 some odd million of them, going down every day as Trump runs his RDI flights.
	That's another thing, Neiman.
	This is what this is.
	Misha Glennie pointed out years ago in his book McMafia that the number one criminal activity in the world generating somewhere between two and three trillion dollars every year in the black economy was trafficking in people,
	mostly young boys and girls and women for prostitution and such.
	Trafficking in people even beat out illicit drugs and arms.
	That's what Donald Trump has established.
	A state-sponsored trafficking in people program.
	He is making money.
	The United States is going to make money off deporting all these people.
	They aren't going to Guantanamo, as he promised.
	I checked yesterday.
	There are about 30 people at Guantanamo.
	The military is not even committed to it.
	They're using civilian airliners.
	In fact, there was an expose piece yesterday also.
	about the flight attendants on one of these civilian airliners who are really not very happy taking 200 men shackled from head to foot in their airplanes and treating them you know as flight attendants are supposed to treat them and being scared livid the whole time they're on the flight and being accompanied by a few customs and border patrol armed guards and so forth who really don't do squat for them they're really angry about how they were promised to do One sort of
	air flights, and now they're doing these, what I call really the equivalent of retention, rendition, detention, interrogation.
	Only the product here is not terrorism or torture at the other end, and intelligence, supposedly.
	The product here is money, because we're paying people like El Salvador to do this, and they're paying us back in terms of what we want from them.
	So this is a new business.
	It is going to, if Trump has his way, rival the slave trade.
	It is going to be another equivalent to the slave trade many years ago that was so profitable.
	This is going to be majorly profitable.
	Trump shipping people, trafficking in people at a state level.
	Incredible. And that's the two people we just watched, at least one of them.
	And Bibi would be all for this.
	Bibi would be all for Trump flying these civilian airliners into Gaza, picking up the Gazans and taking them somewhere.
	He'd be all for it.
	And he'd be making money off of it.
	You bet this is Trump's way of dealing with profit-making for the empire.
	you.
	You're muted or I can't hear you.
	Glad to have you here, gentlemen.
	I would wonder if they would be surprised, I wouldn't be surprised if they have already started to talk with Al Jolani or Zelensky about this.
	I wouldn't either.
	Ukraine's critical need is for manpower.
	If the Europeans and others are going to support it in continuing the war, and Syria would be a place also, I would think, that might accept some of them.
	But look at what they're doing.
	They're just shifting them from one hell to another hell.
	Because Israel is fast wreaking its havoc in Syria as well.
	More bombs drop every day.
	Netanyahu is unstoppable in that sense.
	As long as the empire is behind him, he is very much so unstoppable.
	And let me go over some things here that are really troubling.
	In the sense that Israel is collapsing.
	I picked this up the other day and I couldn't believe it, so I checked on it.
	The Rehabilitation Division of the Israeli Defense Ministry, the Rehabilitation Division of the Israeli Defense Ministry leaked a report that 16,500
	plus IDF have been wounded.
	Remember what I told you about the WIA count and the KIA count and how the WIA count indicates more than the KIA?
	But I checked into the KIA and then they reported that there, and this is a direct one.
	7,300 of those 16,500 are dealing with, quote, psychological trauma of the first order.
	In other words, post-traumatic stress, and that's what it is.
	You can bet that if this is official...
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	you.
	We seem to have lost our hopes.
	I went to get a glass of water.
	Sorry, you guys.
	I got a little...
	Come on, Jim!
	We're on the air!
	A little parched throat.
	Bada-beam, bada-boom, Jim!
	Come on!
	Everyone, welcome to the Raw Deal right here on Revolution Radio Studio B this 9th of April where I have a...
	Fearsome threesome plus one edition.
	A new version, you might say, of the fearsome foursome, because we now have Russ Winter here, Joaquin Agopi, and also Bill Bonatati.
	Bill Bonatati's obviously fearless.
	Come on, fearless four, okay.
	Go for it.
	Who's done a good work assisting me, for example, with a couple of my motions in my Sandy Hook case, which are...
	Rather sterling, the motion to open pursuant to extrinsic fraud and fraud upon the court in my motion to recuse Judge Frank Remington under the appropriate provisions of the Wisconsin Code.
	Billows are so well done.
	And of course, it puts a lie to this ridiculous claim made by this attorney from Ohio, R. Wynn W. Y. Ann Young.
	And I threw my case when I actually took it all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court and I'm still fighting.
	I have four different appeals before the Court of Appeals.
	So when does somebody come up with this kind of rubbish?
	Bill, you have any thoughts about that?
	Well, as I called you last night, Jim, and good to see you all again, by the way.
	Hi, Hakeem and Russ.
	I went over the original docket.
	I was like...
	All it would have taken, you know, Wynn says that you're grossly negligent and so preposterous because he's acknowledging in his public statements, he hasn't even looked at your case in Wisconsin, yet his assumptions, presumptions are absolutely preposterous, which we can outline if you want.
	But anyone can look up, go into Wisconsin courts, look up Professor Posner versus Fetzer, and you can find it.
	I think it was 2019, Jim, is that correct?
	I'm trying to remember the year.
	He was filed in 18. 18?
	Okay. Yeah.
	And you can look at all Jim's responses, you know, legal responses going on now since then.
	And so you've been, I was very impressed with all the affidavits and the motions.
	And of course, we worked together in that motion, open judgment, where,
	know, Judge Remington actually violated the procedural aspects of the motion to actually further incriminate himself with prejudice and abuse of judicial discretion.
	Unfortunately, we couldn't get him to recuse himself.
	You know, this is the thing.
	Okay, do you want me to backtrack and just talk about Wynn's assertions, or you want
	Right ahead is kind of a framework for Russ and Joaquin to comment.
	Go right ahead, Bill.
	Well, actually, Bill and I talked about this a lot.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, Will.
	So when's...
	Let me say this.
	When is right on point, I think, when it comes to the Alice Jones case.
	But he makes a false equivalency to your case, which is completely separate.
	And Wolfgang Halbig.
	Wolfgang Halbig.
	He actually won.
	Actually, Wolfgang won.
	Yeah, that's sort of convenient cherry-picking there.
	Oh, yeah, with Colette Payne in Florida, where they fought that in state court, which is relevant to Connor Wynn's narrative.
	So let's go back to Wynn's narrative so we can frame this for the people listening who probably may not be familiar.
	And unfortunately, Todd Collender, who authorized Wynn in a sense, he platformed him.
	Another attorney, Todd Collender, invalidated him.
	And I think Todd, to be honest, really hadn't looked at this and he was in deference to Wynn, but he's still responsible because that's his negligence.
	Do you see what I mean?
	So we'll get into that in a little bit.
	Okay, so Wynn is looking at the Alex Jones case and he's making a false equivalence to yours.
	So, Alex, see, when you receive a damage defamation case that's based on...
	Freedom of speech, right?
	It's your First Amendment, what's called subject matter question jurisdiction to remand it to federal courts.
	A lot of legalese.
	In other words, you're sued in state court.
	You're the defendant.
	You have 30 days upon receiving the summons, you and your attorneys, to motion it, in a sense, to federal.
	And why is that important?
	One, you have the question matter, which is First Amendment.
	The second is what's called diversity jurisdiction.
	Okay, now, diversity jurisdiction, let's say, failed in the Alice Jones case because it would have to be what's called complete diversity, meaning all the defendants would have to be out of Connecticut, not in Connecticut, meaning out of state.
	Well, one of them's from Meriden.
	It happens to be Wolf's assistant, which I would say is a stretch to even name him because Wolf's assistant made no public statements.
	All he did was drive Wolf around, did research, whatever.
	So that's sus.
	But, okay, so what Adam Stone's attorneys did was they only cited diversity jurisdiction.
	They didn't cite the subject question of First Amendment.
	You see?
	Which was a lock if they did.
	However, the cases have what's called dual jurisdiction.
	They're filed in state.
	You can find them in state.
	The fact that it didn't go to state does not mean in and of itself you threw it.
	You see?
	Why is that important?
	Because when you're saying Jim Fetzer didn't remand his case to federal court.
	You see, Wolfgang Halbig deferred to Norm Pattis, and basically he had joined the case.
	Well, guess what?
	I talked to Wolf about that.
	Should I dive into that for a second, Jim?
	Do you want me to hold off?
	Let me just interject.
	When I observed the complaint, I had no attorney.
	I did a little research about...
	Courts and, you know, I had so much evidence from the book.
	The FBI Consolidated Crime Report showing no murders in Newtown 2012.
	I had the FEMA manual.
	Today I have overwhelmingly more, but I had all the stuff about the conformity to a drill.
	You had the sign, everyone must check in.
	You had bottled water pizza at the firehouse.
	You had...
	There was no surge of EMTs into the building, no string of ambulances, there was no evacuation, there was no sign.
	The school wasn't even compliant with the Americans for Disability Act, which required blue and white signage and parking spaces.
	There were none.
	That means it could not have been even legally operating.
	I had this mass of evidence and the judge at the scheduling conference Said, well, he appreciated my views about this not having happened, that it was not relevant to the truth or the accuracy of the death certificate over which I was being sued,
	in spite of the fact that it said that the student had died at Sandy Hook Elementary on the same day to multiple gunshot wounds.
	How could it not be relevant?
	But that was just staggering.
	And at the time, there were two other attorneys.
	For wrongs without remedies, which owns Moonrock Books, the publisher, the company has to have legal representation.
	And then there was Mike Palachuk, my co-author, co-editor, and me, who had no legal representation.
	But we tried desperately to get someone to represent us.
	We wrote 60, 70 inquiries, and no one was willing to touch this hot potato.
	But it was a judge of his, Serene Mike Casey, who wouldn't let me introduce any facts.
	So there'd be no disputed facts, so he could conduct the equivalent of a non-jury trial.
	But Jim, you're a doctor!
	You're a PhD!
	You should have been like Magic and seen this coming, man!
	That's so peculiar.
	Wynn can have his opinion about how someone conducts a case, but just because he has that opinion, I mean, Wolfgang didn't follow his opinion.
	And Wolfgang won!
	And I believe I'm going to have my case reversed.
	In spite of not following his advice.
	So where does he come off with his arrogance?
	Especially as you say, Bill, he never even looked at any of my briefs, didn't read the book, hasn't looked at the videos where I document all this good stuff.
	He did some kind of fallacy of authority where he projected on you that you're some kind of a big egghead brainiac that should have been able to foresee kind of a loaded court.
	Well, let me give you an illustration of the absurdity of his position.
	He makes a big deal about my not having book insurance.
	Well, I've never heard of a writer having book insurance.
	That's a publisher.
	The publisher is the one putting the book out in the public domain.
	But the point is, if I had insurance, Would that have made me immune from a phony, contrived lawsuit where we had a judge who was basically not allowing me to produce any evidence?
	No! That would be pay off a judgment.
	That has nothing to do with the merits of my suit.
	I thought it was ridiculous he should raise that.
	Yes, can I jump back in?
	Go ahead.
	Listen, I'm on the air.
	I'll call you when I'm off.
	Keep going.
	Keep going.
	Okay, so you're picking up right there.
	That's good.
	Very good points, guys.
	So, yeah, so that's when it also wins.
	Oh, he says, the plaintiffs would never bring this case to anybody unless they knew the defendants would throw it.
	No, really, that's his major arguments.
	That's amazing.
	So anyway, so now he's also making the assertion, okay, so we got wrongs without...
	Jim's publisher caved.
	That's not Jim's fault.
	You know what I mean?
	Now Jim's unprotected because he obviously was a defendant with them and so adjoined to the case.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	So now Jim is looking for lawyers.
	Now you can criticize Jim.
	You know, Jim, you should have had author's insurance.
	You should have had writer's insurance.
	That's a separate issue.
	Do you see what I mean?
	Jim didn't.
	He was relying on his publisher to make sure he was being covered.
	So, hey, that's a business decision that you could say, well, that's not...
	The lesson of all this is don't write books.
	I want to give Joaquin a chance to get a few words in edgewise.
	My view of the legal system is similar to my view of law in America.
	We live...
	Well, you, Jim, and you, Bill, live in a lawless society in America.
	I'm totally convinced.
	The Constitution, our quote, rule of law historically, is not honored or upheld in the legal system.
	I think George Soros has stacked all the courts with judges and attorneys where it's not fair.
	The righteous party doesn't get opportunity to present their side of the story anymore.
	You're shut down, it's cold, cut and dry, you're out of here.
	And that's how I think the court system is.
	We need to revamp everything, get rid of all these bastards that are...
	Totally treasonous to America and our Constitution.
	But, you know, that's the big radical thing that is required to correct the situation.
	As far as the details of your case, I know only the fringe amount that we're talking about here, but...
	You got a raw deal because that judge was totally against you from the very beginning protecting.
	And I think it goes deeper because that was an Obama thing.
	And Obama was basically saying, hey, we gotta get gun control and we gotta have this little drill go live even though the school wasn't even open and all the rest of the things that you bring out.
	Yet? Unless you read your book, you never will know because the media, everybody's stacked against the truth in America now.
	That's the bottom line.
	Go ahead, Bill.
	100%. We go back to 1871 where the passage of the Act of 1871, Congress formed a corporation known as the United States.
	That's when our Constitution got hijacked.
	We became basically a corporation in due to the city of London, but that's irrelevant.
	So we had the Smith-Monk Modernization Act of 2012, which subverted the Smith-Monk Act of 1948, where media can propagandize us, and they're paid for through the government.
	So Obama, getting back to what Joaquin just said, Obama signed in the Smith Modernization Act, I can't remember, about six months before this whole Sandy Hook thing, right?
	So obviously, from that point forward, the media's on board, paid off by the government.
	They lie about all this.
	And this was obviously the FEMA Homeland Security drill, a capstone event.
	We found the manual, you know, all those things that Jim...
	Burry appropriately has in his book, and the judge eliminated in pre-trial conference, going back to what Yakeem said, the courts are nothing but, I've been through, an extortion racketeering act for the predatory establishment, the powers that shouldn't be.
	Do you see what I mean?
	That's it.
	You go into that court, and we're all fed the fairy tale.
	You got the lady with the blinders on, lady justice, and the scales.
	You know what tips those scales?
	Money and power, baby!
	Just listening to all this procedural stuff that you ran through, point by point, procedure this, procedure that, I'm sitting there kind of going, okay, where's the truth?
	Where's the justice?
	Where is that in all this?
	Nowhere. Nowhere.
	This trial would have been a good opportunity for people to see the merits of what even happened.
	What was the truth of the situation?
	They don't even get you close to that.
	And then a guy like Young comes along and pulls more procedural shit out of his ass for all of us laymen to listen to and pontificate.
	Oh, we're so smart as attorneys.
	Procedurally, I would have proceeded in this way, and he didn't have an attorney.
	And I'm just sitting there going, sorry, I have a fairly IQ, but that's just not very convincing.
	He tries to turn a gross fault into a virtue by claiming, since he knew a priori without looking at my stuff, that I'd thrown my case, he won't look at my stuff.
	And I say, how could you have drawn the conclusion without looking at my stuff?
	Because he's an expert on procedure.
	He knows procedure.
	That's the whole point of this conversation.
	Shouldn't just be a bad procedure.
	Most of the country still thinks Sandy Hook was real for crying out loud.
	So when he says it's obvious, you know, that no one would have brought such a suit unless they knew what was going to be thrown is just frankly absurd.
	Can I comment on that?
	Regarding what Russ and what you're all saying.
	I mean, we go back to the Nuremberg trials.
	You know, Article 19, which is British common law, which is what our law is based on.
	Article 19, no evidence required.
	21, no proof of fact required.
	Judge Holland Fistone, former U.S. Chief Justice, called Nuremberg a fraud and a high-grade lynching party.
	So, in other words, this has been going on.
	The courts are just that.
	They're kabuki theater, right?
	It's what they are.
	Like you guys are saying, a lot of legal babble on, do you see what I mean?
	Legal language to keep people confused.
	And they even suspect that...
	Jim, who's a professor in philosophy, is going to know all the ins and outs.
	But the point is, Wolf fought in state court when Leonard Posner brought the suit.
	Now, he had a great attorney, Celeb Payne, and it got, upon discovery, right?
	It was never remanded to federal, to my knowledge.
	Upon discovery, what happened?
	The plaintiffs dropped the suit against Wolf.
	That's a win.
	When you're being sued and they drop it, that's a win.
	So that was fought in state court.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Nobody should expect Wolfgang Halbig with all he went through to continue on.
	He just walked away and went back to his wife, got on with his life.
	He'd already sacrificed a good chunk of his wealth and his life in this battle.
	So once he kind of was released from that case, what do you expect?
	When? He's supposed to get right back into the fight?
	Really? Well, yes, I want to corroborate that.
	Yes, exactly.
	So I talked to Wolf three times.
	And it's relevant because, you know, I had studied this matter.
	It says, yes, see what happened to you in Florida and civil court, also criminal.
	They actually pulled Wolf out of his house at like 1.15 a.m.
	The cops walked this poor man for a mile, cuffed.
	He was on sleeping meds.
	He could have had a heart attack or stroke.
	He needed a knee replacement.
	He's an elderly gentleman.
	Talk about abusive.
	Do this to a Florida State Trooper, school principal, customs agent, FEMA-certified school safety expert, also certified by the Attorney General of Florida.
	I mean, it's important.
	Why are we diving into Wolf so much now, people who don't know?
	Because if you go to the Wynn Young site, R. Wynn Young, I forget the exact name of it.
	You can find it easily.
	You will see...
	He is totally mocking what he calls the gurus, Jim and Wolf.
	Okay? So he's grouping you guys together, Jim.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, shame on you, Wynn Young.
	And shame on you, Victor Hugo, for exploiting this and doing something with your vendetta.
	Shame on you.
	Right. So what I want to touch on real quick, because it ties right into the false equivalency regarding the Sandy Hook case and Jim's matter.
	When it's making.
	See, there's a lot going on here, obviously, but you've got three different gentlemen, actually more than that, when you include other parties.
	But the point is, okay, so, real quick, I'll touch on what, when I talk to Wolf, he says to me, did you know I was named in the Alice Jones Connecticut case as a defendant?
	I'm like, no!
	You already beat it back in Florida?
	How did they, what?
	They got nothing!
	The FBI crime table says zero.
	All I do is, oh, here's the other thing.
	The idea you've got to go to federal and have justice pursuant federal case law, which is, okay, let's talk real quick.
	You've got common law and you've got case law.
	So the federal case laws that set legal precedent, you can cite them in state.
	The point is, Brandenburg v.
	Ohio, New York Times v.
	Sullivan, Snyder v.
	Feltz, so there's three landmark cases that set legal precedent.
	There's more, okay?
	And so, obviously, but that's not Wynne's argument.
	Wynne is saying, oh, well, Alex threw the case.
	You never fight it in state court where the jurist would be prejudicial because they're all from Connecticut.
	Right? And they believe the shooting happened.
	So you want to fight it in district court.
	Okay? Yeah, but guess what?
	Jim Fetzer's case was adjudicated where?
	In Wisconsin!
	When? Wisconsin.
	But you don't know anything about Jim Fetzer.
	What, what, what, what, what, what, what this guy, you know?
	It's like, what the fuck?
	You know, what the, I'm sorry, I'm not supposed to swear, I guess.
	So anyway, but really, you're just like, okay, okay, win.
	Yeah, win, win, win.
	I don't know what this guy's history is.
	I'm not going to get into that.
	Let's just look at what he's trying to say.
	Jim's in Wisconsin.
	He doesn't have Connecticut jurists.
	There's no bias.
	You know what I mean?
	Whatsoever, based on a jury pool.
	Go ahead.
	Did you want to say something, Russ?
	Yeah, and Jim's in Wisconsin, and a bunch of outsiders are coming into Wisconsin, and he's arguing that...
	Jim's fellow statesmen and neighbors and people that he knows, he kind of knows what the juries might be like.
	He's not supposed to do that as a jurisdiction.
	I mean, I would be running to my home state if I was in some kind of a case like this.
	Federal? Are you kidding me?
	Why? What possible reason would I want to be in federal court?
	You're an idiot when you're just pulling it at your ass, doing some kind of fallacy of authority.
	It was like the movie Chicago.
	Bear in mind there was no jury.
	I was denied the right to a jury trial.
	That's why I took it to the Supreme Court.
	You learn more.
	Learn more.
	Deny the right to a jury.
	The judge even excluded the testimony to forensic document experts who said all four of the versions of the death certificate and evidence at the point were fake.
	All four of them were fake.
	You should have known that they wouldn't give you a jury.
	You're a doctorate.
	You're a PhD.
	I did have a jury for the damages.
	Would you believe all the jurors?
	One man and 11 women, 30 years and younger, claim they'd never even heard of Alex Jones.
	Yep, yep.
	Can you imagine?
	Yeah, well, let's talk about the Seventh Amendment real quick, because that's relevant to your...
	There's more than a $20 dispute.
	And you have adverse evidence, right?
	That's based on common law, like 20 bucks.
	Yeah, that's based on old English common law.
	You're entitled to a jury trial based on the merits of the case.
	When a judge eliminates your evidence in pre-trial conference, that's highly prejudicial.
	And they defer to the common knowledge.
	Go ahead, I'm sorry.
	Prejudicial? Oh, God.
	Joaquin, isn't this an absurdity from a legal point of view?
	Your thoughts?
	Good job, Bill.
	It's horrible, actually, that they treated you this way.
	Would not allow you your day in court.
	It's pretty incredible, but to me, it doesn't really surprise me in today's world.
	Back when I Went to court against West Point because they ran up a bunch of false demerits on me, and I took them to court for failure to allow due process of law.
	Back in 1972, it was a whole different world.
	The United States actually had a rule of law called the Constitution, and due process was part of that, of course.
	So I won the case.
	And was able to finish my senior year and graduate.
	But, you know, it's a different world now.
	And, you know, when you did your case now a few years back, it's totally different.
	And anybody that has a cause and the truth, they're not listened to.
	These judges are corrupt.
	They're evil.
	Part of the system.
	Yeah, just, Johnny.
	Russ, I know you've got lots more you want to say.
	Go ahead.
	I've been interjecting all along, so go ahead.
	We've noticed.
	I might get another opportunity to interrupt you guys.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Talk about the levels of complicity here, you know, from the creator to the distributor to the disseminator.
	Talk about that, because I think Bitchin' and Rumble are in for it here.
	Well, that's when you're talking damage and defamation liability.
	Let the audience know.
	This is not a private conversation, is it?
	No. Let the audience know what we're talking about.
	We're live.
	They know what we're talking about.
	Not really.
	Well, no, they don't.
	Victor Hugo Vaca has been doing one Video after the next, for the next, what?
	How many months now?
	Four or five months?
	Whatever. I mean, it's a long time now.
	And it's just totally libelous defamation of character on you, Jim.
	Started with you.
	Went on to me a little bit.
	And then it went on to Russ.
	And it's out of control.
	So you're trying to finally put an end to it legally.
	And we've run into some difficulty with some of the venues.
	Bitchute is a bitch.
	Because these videos have been disseminated on Butchute and Rumble.
	They're liable too.
	In number, there are over 250 of these Slanderous videos.
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	Okay, I think we were talking about the standards of BitChute.
	Bill was going to apparently define defamation, is that right?
	I was asking Bill to break down the levels of, you know, from the content creator to others who were involved, down to the distributor, about responsibility in a defamation case, Bill, if you would.
	Sure. Jim, let me just take one moment to help clarify one more thing regarding Wolf, because it's relevant to Wynn's false equivalency to you.
	Do you see what I mean?
	And then I can jump right into that.
	So, the last thing that Wynn asserts regarding Wolf is because Wolf, he claimed he was pro se, but what Wolf said was he talked to Norm, he basically joined the case by Norm Pattis representing him, and he told Norm, listen, he said, depose me, Wolf said.
	deposed me and subpoenaed the documents we didn't get in the four-year hearings and the witnesses who didn't show up, which is why there were several.
	Anyone watching those four-year hearings would
	say the whole case is thrown.
	Now that's important, but let me stop.
	Regarding Victor and Wynn, I was communicating with Victor, I had sent him a bunch of emails, including our motion to open judgment and our motion to recuse, which anyone can find online, which really tears apart this whole matter, right?
	With Wynn, right?
	You said you were communicating with Victor.
	You were communicating with Wynn.
	Right. What Victor asked me to do was to email Wynn.
	He said, please email all this to Wynn.
	So I sent over 30 emails to Wynn.
	And I was calling him saying, Wynn, you know, see, my thought was you need an attorney.
	My opinion, it'd be helpful for you to have an attorney, a trial attorney.
	Maybe we get Todd Collender on board.
	Because you've got civil liability cases.
	That are even way bigger than this regarding Elon, Jimmy Dore, Alex Jones.
	Still, in my opinion, and not to mention potential what I think might fit into the False Claim Act, a Quee Tom whistleblower case pursuant the False Claim Act where the government sued for this, you see?
	And plaintiffs get 30% of that, the total case.
	Now, I want to say, I mean, there's so much to talk about here, but to show how corrupt the courts are.
	You have, for example, an equivalency we can make to Dr. Judy Wood, where she brought a Cuiton case, which you can find, against the NIST engineers.
	I think it was called Allied Research.
	She filed it.
	Did she prevail?
	I don't think.
	No, what happened was, Jim, they did the same thing to her they did to you.
	Did they do to everybody?
	When you fight the federal government, what do they do?
	They say, guess what?
	Pre-trial conference.
	That evidence is non-evidence.
	They eliminated her evidence and her ability to subpoena anybody.
	And they go, oh, no.
	You can't question the government narrative.
	I believe it was Allied Research et al., if I'm not mistaken, that were the engineers for the NIST report, National Institute of Standard Technology.
	Well, anyone looking at 9-11 by now, even Jimmy Dore and Kim Iverson are questioning that with the University of Alaska professor.
	I mean, come on.
	So what they did was they basically did to her what's called, everybody doesn't know, this is called a form of summary judgment, right?
	Basically, the judge sits there.
	He's got no expertise on engineering.
	Here's Dr. Judy.
	He's an engineer.
	You got you.
	You got Allison Sonny Maynard with an affidavit, Attorney Allison, with an affidavit in your pleadings, in your docket, Jim, right?
	I'm not going to touch on anything more than that.
	Just on the affidavit with hers there, you can expand on that if you want.
	The point I'm trying to make is you have competent legal counsel, right?
	And I want to say, my own experience litigating in courts, and I have done a lot of that here in Connecticut.
	I didn't just grow up born with this verbal verbiage legal spaghetti salad.
	Do you know what I mean?
	You see what I'm saying?
	How did I learn this?
	By litigating.
	And I know what I know, and there's more to learn.
	I'm not a lawyer, but I've learned a lot.
	And I can't get an attorney to represent me.
	I've talked to 40 law firms fighting the largest hotel chain in the world, fighting the Catholic Church, fighting our own state courts, whatever.
	Once you take on the monsters, right, the transnational corporatocracy, basically you're, you know.
	But the point is, you told me this in our conversation, is you gave Wynn, even before he had this interview with Victor Hugo, he received a lot of information from you about this case.
	And he didn't even look at it, did he?
	Well, I called.
	I kept calling him.
	I'm like, well, I found his phone number and Todd's.
	And I was calling Wynn and Todd.
	I was like, hey, guys.
	Can we talk about this?
	Maybe you can help Jim out.
	Hello? If you want to help expose Sandy Hook, we all agree it was a false flag.
	We all agree it was a femur drill.
	For some strange reason, they turned it on its head and came up with this cockamamie through the case bullshit.
	It's just amazing.
	And that I don't understand.
	That's a big mystery, what that's all about.
	Well, let's just say I would argue that they're right about the fact Alex Jones, he could have stayed in state court.
	Whatever you want to say about the remand to federal, okay, I'm not going to argue with that.
	All Alex Jones had to do was go into court and not say a word.
	That's it!
	Because you have to prove, plaintiff has to prove the case happened, what they're alleging happened, that there were actual deaths, and then you have to prove malice.
	You have to prove, because it's a public matter, right?
	You have to prove that The defendant's primary purpose and whole thing of what they're doing is malice.
	Well, however you feel about Alex, right?
	I'm not going to get into that.
	Bottom line is, there's no way to say that in something where he's got Wolfgang Halbig, the FEMA-certified, Attorney General-certified Florida State Trooper, former principal.
	And if anyone, here's the thing, anyone looking at those FOIA hearings can see the whole case is thrown.
	There's four FOIA hearings.
	You have a hard time.
	Yeah, people should go.
	I watched them, actually.
	I actually took the time.
	I mean, I'm so much into this kind of shit that I took the time to watch all those FOIA hearings, and that was one of the biggest travesties I've ever seen.
	Oh, I even talked to Kay Wilson, Wilson's attorney at one point.
	I can get into that.
	You guys decide where you want this to go.
	I'm happy to talk more about the FOIA and K and everything that's obvious there.
	Pull your hair out.
	I don't have any hair left here.
	But, you know, what I got back here, right, Russ?
	So the point I'm trying to say is that I want to touch on...
	So let me finish.
	Attorney wins.
	I want to counter his point that Wolf, because he signed on to the motion to remand based on diversity, right, which failed because...
	They added Wolf's driver from Meriden, so you didn't have complete diversity.
	Not everybody was out of the state of Connecticut.
	You see?
	However, Wolf's not an attorney!
	He brought in, he joined, and he signed, and he, in other words, he deferred to Alice's attorney.
	And what happened?
	Wolf was dropped!
	And that's when you're sued, and Plantis drops you, that's all you can ask for!
	You see what I mean?
	You win in that regard.
	You walk, there's no liability against you.
	Right, right.
	Complete fabrication to say that he threw his case.
	Complete fabrication.
	He walked away undamaged.
	He walked away undamaged.
	He'd been damaged in other ways, just through the ordeal that he had to go through, but at that stage, he was legally undamaged.
	Touched and undamaged.
	He could go home and live the rest of his life.
	And along those lines, when I talked to Wolf, you know, so I said, what happened with Norm?
	And he goes, never heard from him again.
	Meaning the plaintiffs must agree to drop Wolf.
	Yeah, because they didn't want Wolf deposed.
	They didn't want him deposed.
	Because he didn't have more information than anybody.
	You're absolutely right, Russ.
	And keep in mind, let's face it, they're all government operatives because this is for FEMA drill!
	All the alleged parents, and I have no trouble saying that, I've been saying that on social media everywhere ever since I caught on to this, from call-in with David Sachs when I was a host there, to X, and we all know about how that went there,
	and I got 46,000 views on Jim's and X and Jim's...
	Fake news, truth for Alex Jones, HBO special that Jim and I went on, which people can find, as Jim can cite that, and it proves everything over and over again.
	And you also have, in the public domain, Rossi and I mentioned this, and also Wolf acquired videos that Chief Cahill confirmed happened on the day, the videos of the Newtown police.
	Video dash cam footage.
	But you also have the Connecticut State Police video footage, which you can find in Rumble, and we need to talk about Sandy Hook, the third presenter.
	Here's what the audience needs to understand, because I talked to Bill for a couple hours.
	Great conversation, because I learned a lot.
	But, there was some emails going back and forth that I was privy to as a CC, I wouldn't activate it, of Bill and Wynn Young.
	Yeah. When?
	Get your head out of your ass.
	You know, what are you doing?
	Look at this.
	Look at this.
	And the only thing that Wynn Young did is threaten to turn the FBI loose on you.
	So they've turned that narrative around against Bill.
	And you can hear Victor say this.
	Well, Bill's the guy that threatened Wynn Young.
	Well, yeah, I'd be pissed off at Wynn Young too.
	If you knew the whole story.
	Well, I never threatened Wynn.
	No, I know.
	I saw it all.
	I was a witness.
	I was a witness.
	He just blew smoke out of his ass a little bit and kind of threatened you.
	That's what it was.
	Wynn never had the courtesy to call me back.
	Why did I keep leaving him messages?
	Because he kept doing what he was doing.
	It's all over his site.
	Then he was on with other parties.
	He went on with Todd Collender.
	He went on with Victor more than once.
	And you got all this This whole group of Victor's people.
	And I'm like, no, no, no, guys, let's talk.
	So I kept calling Wynn.
	I left him messages.
	I sent him texts.
	And the audience, keep in mind that you had a little bit of a, somewhat of a relationship with Wynn before this all broke.
	You were giving him files and stuff.
	That's what the audience doesn't understand.
	You were collaborating with him.
	You were collaborating.
	You just didn't show up uninvited.
	I was asked to email him by Victor.
	Right. And you collaborated with him.
	I thought we were going to work together on the behalf of Exposing Sandy Hook.
	So there's some kind of skullduggery going on here, man.
	There really is.
	This is really bullshit.
	And Victor's trying to turn it on like he's really got some big expose on this whole Sandy Hook thing.
	And Victor doesn't know anything.
	I bet you if you interrogated, if you deposed Victor and started asking him basic questions about Sandy Hook, He wouldn't know anything.
	I have ten times the knowledge of Fannie Hook than he does.
	And Bill has a hundred times the knowledge.
	I'd like to see Victor Hugo and Bill go head to head.
	But Victor can't because he doesn't know anything about it.
	He knows nothing about it.
	He's just carrying out a vendetta.
	Let's get Joaquin back in.
	And the clickbait really gets good, doesn't it, Victor?
	I think that's clickbait.
	You got a bunch of people that'll sit there and go, Oh, Victor's blowing the whole case.
	Alex Jones and Jim Fetzer.
	I believe!
	Joaquin can address his butt.
	Victor appears to have narcissistic personality disorder.
	He's... He just thrives on attention for himself, and he'll go out of his way any way he can to get it, no matter how extraordinary or bizarre.
	We got multiple stories out of Miami describing him as one of the strangest residents of the town for some of the happy horseshit he pulled.
	Joaquin, you have a background in counseling.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah, he has a narcissistic injury where he plays victim.
	He says, it's the Jews!
	It's the Jews!
	Well, nobody plays victim better than the Jews and Victor!
	Victor's number one for playing victim.
	That's what he does, and he always puts it on everybody else, doing all these terrible things.
	You know?
	I mean, my view on Victor is, yeah, he got a couple of shows, you know, Stu and a few others that are up there, you know, as far as influencers.
	But, you know, you can't go with a one-trick pony that people get sick of pretty quick.
	He's very overrated.
	It's the Jews!
	It's the Jews!
	It's too one-dimensional.
	And we live in a complicated world where you can't get away with that.
	And you're going to claim your fame on that.
	That's a ridiculous thing.
	This guy doesn't have what it takes to reach the big time, which is everything to him.
	He's very ambitious, obviously, and will cut anybody's throat to get there.
	That's his modus operandi.
	I think the guy's going to burn himself out.
	People are not going to pay attention to this guy.
	I took the course where...
	Let him fucking blow whatever he wants to say about, you know, I understand you guys like saying, hey, enough is enough.
	I get it.
	But this guy has a following of about three people.
	He makes up people, I think, on, you know, his little chat room there.
	Yeah, it's a one-man show, you know?
	He's a nobody now.
	Let me inject your story.
	That I've been on lately, and you guys saw this, is that he has a sock puppet.
	It's either a sock puppet or a flying monkey.
	I don't know which.
	It's probably 80% chance it's a sock puppet, maybe a 20% chance it's a flying monkey of some type.
	But this individual's name, Jane Tracy, constantly comes to the rescue of Victor on these different commentaries and backs him up.
	She's the backup.
	Well, I'm looking at this gal's avatar, and I kind of sent it to Brian Davidson.
	I said, run this picture, see if you can find the photo of this lady.
	And it turned out that it was a professor at the University of Maryland, Baltimore.
	They stole her identity.
	She was not actually the participant.
	He's stolen her image.
	Yeah, and then Jane comes on and tries to defend her.
	Let me give you the sequence so you get an understanding how this guy works.
	I'm not going to mention the guy's name.
	I'll mention him later, but I don't want to give him any advertising.
	But there's a dialogue going on with Jane where she's, you know, I'm confronting her because I can't do anything on Victor's channel.
	I'm blocked.
	I can't say a word.
	Everything goes unchallenged.
	So I can't block.
	But this other jackass that he works with, his other flying monkey, which I will get into in a second, I can talk.
	Because he likes to talk smack with me.
	He loves talking smack with Russ Winter.
	So I got him kind of addicted to that.
	So I can sit around and kind of observe, get my own intel.
	She shows up after I confronted her on this stolen picture, stolen identity, and claimed, oh, well, the reason I did that is that I'm an admirer of...
	I'm not going to mention the professor's name that she stole.
	And her name is similar to mine.
	Really? I mean, that was such a ludicrous explanation.
	So you understand that?
	She used the avatar because she admired this professor.
	And figured that she could use this innocent professor's avatar and a version of her name to go talk smack on Victor's channels.
	I mean, how low can you scoop?
	And they had to do a cleanup of that.
	They basically blocked me temporarily and then took everything down, took the photos, and fortunately, Victor and crew, we saved all that.
	We've got all that information screen-saved, so it's not going anywhere.
	But the public can't see it.
	So nobody ever pieces this stuff together.
	I'm just seeing it firsthand.
	That's a typical Victor Hugo operation.
	Can I clarify a couple of things and then we'll move on real quick?
	All right.
	So regarding, you know, I left Wynn quite a few messages trying to encourage him now.
	I may have said, you know, you may end up in a lawsuit when you may get sued, but if I said that, I don't recall, that's a statement of intent.
	That's not a threat of bodily harm.
	You see the difference?
	To be charged with, you see, so if they're conflating, I'm threatening him.
	That's just a conflation.
	Do you see what I mean?
	That's ridiculous.
	That's that all the time, Bill.
	That's his style.
	Yeah. Let's shift back to Jane, Tracy, and Victor for a moment.
	Okay. Right now, they're sensing that there could be some kind of lawsuit coming.
	To be honest with you, Victor's in the Republic of Georgia.
	He's probably judgment-proof.
	I don't know what good a lawsuit would do to him, unless it's criminal.
	Russ, we don't even know that.
	Honestly, I think he's in Miami.
	I think he's in Miami.
	Okay, well, I don't know.
	I've heard through the grapevine that it's Georgia.
	He says that's where he is.
	Go ahead.
	The point is that they've gotten wind that there's sort of things stirring from our camp.
	And there is.
	There's no question about it.
	They've conflated that to be that we're coming after all the people who comment in his little trashy channel.
	And we're not going to do that.
	Just because you engage in smack talk or believe Victor's narrative, that doesn't mean we're coming after you.
	So that kind of leads us to the next phase of all this, which is this flying monkey that he works with who all of a sudden decides that he's going to put a series of videos up that claim I'm a pedophile.
	And that you and I are gay.
	Yeah, we're gay lovers.
	At least that's the way it looks to me.
	And then I gave my granddaughter herpes.
	And then whenever my name is mentioned on the channel, herpes is associated with it.
	So right now we're looking at the law, and we're looking at this as being defamation, cyberbullying, a whole series of crimes.
	There's probably going to be a criminal complaint of some type against certain individuals.
	That doesn't mean we're coming after everybody.
	We're not going to go looking for every trash talker smack talker on his channels.
	That's not going to happen.
	There may be some people singled out that are particularly egregious.
	This is where I want to get back to Bill.
	Bill, who would be the parties who might be sufficiently liable as to have a suit brought against them?
	Well, let's keep in mind you have...
	Criminal liability and you have civil liability.
	They're separate issues, right?
	So, if one can prove cyberbullying, the issue is getting a, you're going to have to get someone in civil authority or law enforcement to write that up, get the complaint in, because it's an investigation, then the state's attorney and judge will have to sign the warrants,
	okay? So, that's the process, you guys, for getting the criminal complaint in loosely.
	You can start it where you live, but they usually then refer you to the district where You know, the alleged criminal is, and they don't like to be in the middle too much.
	You know, that's what I found dealing with police.
	So you guys can follow that up.
	Then civil liability is a whole other matter.
	Damage and defamation, you know, reputational.
	If you can prove loss of income or say you need medical care, just for an example, I'm not saying that ties in here, but the typical things that play into damage and defamation, you know.
	Legal fees, things of that nature that are recoupable, right?
	Now, so you have the content creator who's making the material and putting it out there.
	You have the one who's repeating it, right?
	The repetition by another group of people or associates.
	And then you have the platform upon which it's disseminated.
	Okay? So those are the three potential people.
	Who could be liable?
	Third one in this case would be Bitchute.
	And Rumble, but Bitchute mostly.
	Yeah. So, there you go.
	I'm sorry.
	Is that the correct definition, you think?
	Well, I mean, he's in Rumble and Bitchute, Victor.
	And you also have Todd, who platformed Wynn and deferred to him in his own show.
	He has a Rumble Channel 2, Todd Callender.
	And that's important because Wynn is
	Todd's deferring to win, authorizing him, in a sense, to speak on Todd's behalf.
	It's not a light thing.
	You're talking damage, and you're talking like a daisy chain of liability.
	And then you also have Victor, right?
	So they're all, those are the three primary parties, and I know there's other people involved that have done some really...
	Disgusting things that you described, Russ, and my heart goes out to you for that.
	I mean, to bring your granddaughter in, that's no joke.
	And I think any judge...
	Okay, let's talk about this.
	You can seek restitutional compensation.
	You can seek, say, repayment, but that may not apply here.
	And the other thing is the judge can issue declarative judgments and injunctions.
	When you're going after somebody in civil, there's three remedies.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	It's not just about money.
	That's where people go astray.
	They think, oh, there's no way to attach him.
	Don't give these guys too much legal advice, okay?
	Oh, okay.
	Well, all right.
	I'll hold off there.
	I did want to mention real quick regarding...
	Okay, let me just touch on, because this undermines Wynn's premise, which is important.
	Okay, so real quick.
	All Alex Jones, anyone has to do, if it was an honest court of law, which it's not, is just say, gee, you know, that FBI crime table 8 still says no one died.
	Right. To this day.
	To this day.
	Right. So I believe the FBI crime table.
	You know what?
	I think that that's true.
	Whether it's true or not doesn't matter because people say, oh, the FBI is corrupt.
	Well, hey, that's a separate issue.
	What's in the public domain to this day?
	Zero murders.
	Where's my liability?
	Why didn't you sue the DOJ FBI?
	What the hell are you suing me for?
	I'm not liable for what they're saying.
	I'm just repeating it.
	Go ahead.
	So there you go.
	And gosh, if you're talking chain of liability, there's been no lawsuit brought against the Department of Justice FBI on this matter.
	So Wolf's been dropped, right?
	In the middle there, the FEMA expert.
	Certified by FEMA, yeah?
	How is Alex liable in this chain of liability?
	There's no way to claim he's malicious unless...
	That's bullshit.
	You know, the FBI...
	What I would have done if I was Robert Barnes when he talked in front of the Waterbury court with...
	When he did, there was a conference with Alex and Robert Barnes, Attorney Robert Barnes out of Yale.
	Go ahead.
	We got a break.
	We got a break.
	We'll be back.
	Let's come back to the bit shoot issue.
	The platform.
	We'll be coming back and I'll be opening the line to callers when you're ready.
	Let's cover the bit shoot a little bit more.
	It's still live.
	It's still live.
	We'll be right back.
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	Okay, I'm going to go ahead and talk about the BitChute situation.
	This is something I have learned recently, is that BitChute does not police their network at all.
	You can talk all the smack you want.
	I mean, I kind of figured that.
	You can be a smack talker.
	You can lie.
	You can obfuscate.
	You can do a little drama queen type stuff.
	That's fine.
	That's certainly freedom of speech and First Amendment.
	I get all that.
	But now we've kind of reached a point where apparently I can just make up a narrative or story that you guys are pedophiles and run some kind of a cartoonish parody on that theme.
	Or that you guys have a granddaughter and you're responsible for giving your granddaughter herpes.
	Now, that's all been registered with all these egregious acts have been registered with BitChute.
	And they have declined to remove the videos.
	So we've got a real problem in my mind.
	I've been explaining, Russ, I think these are all automated, that no person has actually seen any of these complaints.
	So what that forces you to do is take a legal action against them.
	Russ, let me just say this.
	So you've got a list of about 20 or 30 complaints.
	I've got a list of a dozen or more.
	Others have.
	This is all going to be very substantial evidence that they're not fulfilling their contract.
	They say, you use us, you adhere to our guidelines, we will protect you.
	And it's not happening.
	It's false advertising.
	False advertising.
	Well, it's worse than that.
	It's not just false advertising.
	They're violating a contractual obligation they have to the users of their services.
	This is very substantial in my opinion.
	Bill, would you agree?
	Actually, guys, I emailed you all.
	What is online defamation?
	It's a great article.
	Buckingham is the title.
	I can go through it real quick.
	This is very apropos.
	I'm not an expert in all areas of the law.
	I'm learning here.
	You guys, Jim, let me make one more quick point, and I'll end regarding Wynn.
	At one point, Wynn issued me a cease and desist by email and by text.
	Then he said he was going to contact the FBI.
	My response was, that'd be great!
	Maybe then we can get the FBI to expose Sandy Holmes.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, do that.
	I said, by the way, I've been to the FBI office on 1000 Lafayette Boulevard in Bridgeport when I used to build a drive-in wall.
	And they went and opened the door for me.
	I've also been to the DOJ, 157 Church Street in the Haven, third floor.
	I think it was the third floor.
	It was so long ago.
	And guess what?
	They want to meet with me on a lot of different matters.
	I mean, I was reporting to the task force on corruption here.
	There's a whole lot of things I was doing.
	Yeah, you're getting a bit off the track.
	Yeah, go right ahead.
	The idea that the FBI is going to expose Sandy Hook when the DOJ is the ones in the FBI who should be sued by the primary defendants if anyone died.
	Tell us about the bit shoot liability.
	That's what happened.
	All right, Jim.
	Got a lot of emotion going on here.
	You can be the victim of online defamation, obviously, and this piece covered this very well.
	Common scenarios in which online defamation occurs and how to handle it.
	Generally speaking, internet defamation, cyber libel, is online publication of one or more false statements of fact about a third party.
	...causes reputational damage to the subject of the publication.
	You guys, all there, you got this, right?
	Traditional forms of defamation, such as publication of libelous statements in newspapers, utterances of false statements, through broadcasts, which, of course, all that's there.
	You need that to prove online defamation in court.
	Of course, you'll have all that.
	The defendant publishes a statement about the plaintiff to a third party.
	Well, it's been in the public domain.
	We got all that.
	The statement was false and capable of being proven false.
	Not an opinion or hyperbole.
	Hyperbole. Hyperbole.
	I'm sorry, hyperbole.
	I haven't seen that.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Jim, if you would give me the screen just a moment, I'll show you an example of Yeah, but I want to get a little more from Bill first.
	But yeah, sure, I'm glad to do that.
	Okay, so the same was not privileged and made with requisite degree of fault, negligence, or actual malice.
	Okay, so this is actual gross negligence, if you ask me, and malice, what these guys are doing.
	And, you know, I know Jim, you can talk about too, Jim, how you appeal to Todd to give you equal airtime on his Rumble channel on his show and vice versa.
	And maybe you guys can all work together, actually expose sending.
	Let me give you a real live example of cyberbullying and defamation.
	Let me just ask one more question.
	Does he cite statutes, Bill, in the article that are in place that we could reference in bringing a suit?
	Well, what I did was, let me go real quick.
	I pulled up the statutes and what statutes you need, and I have sent them to you guys in the past.
	So we have reckless negligence, torts of...
	Hold on a second.
	I'm going through here.
	So you got the diversity of jurisdiction.
	Okay, that's your jurisdiction in federal court and First Amendment.
	You got subject matter jurisdiction.
	Okay. As far as the statutes...
	We've got the codes.
	Hang on a second, guys.
	Oh, I think I just found it right there, because the series of emails I sent out.
	I'll tell you what, can you defer to, can we let Russ pitch in and I'll find the statute?
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Russ, you're host.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, okay, I'll grab this.
	Share. Okay, can you guys see the image there on the right?
	Now we can.
	Yeah. Russ Winter, now you're on a jury, or you're a judge.
	And I'm bringing this case against you as either criminal complaint or civil case.
	Including BitChute.
	You know, BitChute for failing to deal with this situation.
	And honestly, I asked BitChute to remove this shit.
	Not the one next to it, Cynthia McKinney.
	Nothing else.
	None of the other claptrap that Victor puts out.
	Specifically, this video.
	Can you see the whole video?
	There's me.
	That's herpes.
	He's got herpes.
	Russ Winter claims granddaughter has herpes.
	Tells trusting Jim Fetzer audience everyone has herpes.
	I don't know.
	I think most juries would blow these guys out of water.
	I'm willing to take a chance on it.
	Just scroll down and notice how he's claiming I'm attempting to censor free speech when he's committing defamation.
	Right, exactly.
	This isn't permissible speech.
	It's defamatory, libelous, it's slander.
	I mean, for crying out loud.
	So he's going to twist and distort everything.
	They could argue.
	With the jackass that actually put up the pedo videos, he challenged me.
	He said, what are the damages?
	I don't have a very big channel.
	I said, yeah, but you go over and you do ridiculous interviews with Victor Hugo.
	Therefore, I think we can bring an action against you, too.
	So we're having a kind of a conversation about this thing.
	I'm trying to give these guys a little bit of a wake-up call, but their reaction is to defame even more, to double down on the defamation.
	And Victor and the jackass are getting together for another interview that I'm going to be going over and picking out even more of this stuff.
	So yeah, we've got some things in the work.
	I hope it comes out in our favor and we're able to get these guys to explain.
	Let's go back to the show.
	Victor, explain it to a judge.
	Was there something else you wanted to add here?
	No, that's it.
	I'm done.
	That's one of them I wanted to get in there.
	So the audience would understand what's going on.
	Because we've been pretty mute on this stuff.
	We haven't really been talking about it.
	I think the audience understands what's going on.
	There's nothing subtle about it.
	Joaquin, I'd like further thoughts from you.
	Well, as I said, I understand he has done a little bit of accusations on me of being, I don't know, a traitor, I think he said.
	I'm anything but.
	Anyway, my investment and stake in all this is much less than you, Russ, and you, Jim.
	You know, I've been very busy trying to just write articles.
	Fantastic. Yeah, I mean, every other day I'm writing another article.
	Yeah, critical times, and I've got to waste my time on this bullshit?
	That's kind of where I'm at, you know, because the world's falling apart.
	I understand you...
	Both of you guys, I understand.
	It's defamation of character, no doubt.
	And he needs to stop.
	And so does Bitchute.
	Bitchute can't be let off the hook.
	Bitchute cannot be let off the hook on this stuff.
	They've got to carry out their obligations.
	I don't know what the problem is.
	They need to be taught a lesson here.
	Yeah. Bill.
	Yeah, well, I was reviewing this.
	This is Buckingham Law.
	This is an excellent article, guys.
	You'd really recommend to anybody.
	We are all going to read it.
	Mark my words.
	I saw it.
	I'll read it, definitely.
	I'm referencing it because they have cases that they've litigated where they prevailed.
	The point is, it is a real thing.
	It's not something that should be just dismissed.
	Maybe in this matter, since...
	Who has the pockets?
	Todd Collender's got a large law firm.
	He's liable.
	Hopefully he wants to come on board and act.
	Let's make lemonade out of these lemons.
	Hopefully Todd would be interested on the bigger picture.
	And I like Todd Collender.
	He's pretty well known.
	He's been out there.
	He even challenged the Pentagon in the lawsuit.
	With the whole COVID bullshit?
	Yes, he did.
	I think he's a good guy, actually.
	So I hope he's not, you know, going to be on the other side.
	I think he's just gotten hijacked and hoodwinked, is what I think.
	Well, in his own show, you can find in Rumble, where he interviews Zwin, he really acknowledges he's in deference to Zwin about the matter.
	It's like one of the stories he covers in that particular episode.
	So I think that's why I put, by the way, I called Todd.
	I didn't have his email.
	But I constantly called his law firm.
	I heard back from Paralegal.
	So I did have communication with the Paralegal about my own personal issues.
	I was hoping he can help legally, but also about this Santa Hook matter.
	And they wanted me to pay them $325 or $350 for an hour intake.
	I'm like, I'm not going to pay you guys.
	Either you want to talk.
	I've never paid for an intake with an attorney.
	Not the initial.
	So I was like, no.
	So that was weird.
	But either way, I have seen his work, Russ, and I do agree.
	He does a lot of good work against fighting the government tyranny.
	So anyway, but it's important because the other thing that's important here, if we can't get a lawyer involved, people can fight pro se, and this could be a great thing we can cover going forward and how we did that and encourage your audience.
	It's not about the possibility.
	You can't do it.
	It's a matter of doing the research online.
	And that's how I started.
	Is it becoming a widespread phenomenon?
	Because it's so easy to put up anything you want on the internet and think that you're scot-free.
	You know, that you'll never pay a price.
	You can say any damn thing you want.
	Victor appears to be highly naive at thinking because we're public figures that he can get away with anything.
	Are we public figures, Bill?
	Are we even public figures?
	Well, Jim...
	Because you're being outspoken and taking stands on public issues.
	Doing the show, we're all public figures.
	Go ahead.
	But the point is that it simply raises the bar.
	You've got to have malice, you've got to have reckless disregard for facts, but the fact is those are satisfied here.
	I mean, he's a prime candidate for a defamation suit.
	Now, the question of where he resides and how to nail it down and have him served, that's another question.
	But I guarantee, on its face, he is guilty of defamation.
	And if you look at some of the, they point out, some cases, some kinds of declarations are defamatory on their face.
	Like you and herpes and your granddaughter.
	You know what?
	I did not give him permission to use my image.
	Of course you didn't.
	I did not give him permission to reveal any medical or health information about me online.
	Of course you didn't.
	I'm being facetious.
	I'm being facetious to make a point.
	The point I'm making, Ross, is what he did with you is defamatory on its face.
	It's defamatory on its face.
	You're not going to have to make a big argument.
	What he's done there is so vicious, nasty, contemptible.
	And I think he's done other things.
	Then this win.
	Saying I threw my case when he's not even looking at any of my briefs.
	That he's not read the book, not seen any of my videos.
	I mean, that's absurd!
	What did he think he was doing?
	Bill, further thoughts of yours?
	Yeah, I agree on everything you're all saying.
	And don't forget, they might think, oh, well, I don't have deep pockets, so they can't come after me.
	Well, we can get a declarative judgment that you guys can then use in the public domain to your favor.
	And then we can get injunctions.
	He tries to monetize these things.
	He tries to go for donations, and this is going to vitiate all of that.
	In my opinion.
	I mean, it's going to cut him off.
	Well, that's another area that can be sued, yeah, because he's monetizing making money on this stuff.
	Defamation. Making money on defamation.
	I think he's judgment-proof, but the key is to clean up Bikchut's act.
	Bikchut cannot.
	Bikchut's got to tighten it up a little bit.
	Us, we got it.
	Yeah, okay.
	Bill, have you got more?
	I'm eager to read the article.
	Have you got more you want to add?
	When we're talking federal jurisdiction, 28 U.S. Code Part 4 is jurisdictional and venue.
	And that's Cornell Law.
	You can check that out.
	If you want, Jim, I can put some links in the chat after the show so people have a read.
	Send it by email.
	The show is over.
	There's no more chat.
	You send it by email, Bill.
	Yeah, well, I already sent it by email to all your guys.
	Right, so we're set.
	You did good.
	You did good.
	Go ahead.
	Do you want me to just close?
	I can close with...
	The other thing is, when you have intentional infliction of emotional duress, you know, it really bothers you.
	This is all intentional.
	It's intended to inflict emotional distress.
	That's exactly what it's doing, which makes it so vicious, so malicious.
	It's no secret to any of your audience, Jim and I have had our differences, but you know what?
	We worked through it, Russ and I, we worked through it, Hakeem and I, and that's what men do, right?
	You have your differences, you maybe get into a little bit of verbal tuss, gets a little locker room verbiage going there, we're all men, drinking at bars, whatever, and then it dives down, and here we are.
	So, unfortunately, what I think happened here, it's clearly obvious.
	When has persuaded Victor to his narrative, Victor doesn't know any better.
	I'm not trying to give him an excuse.
	I'm just saying, like Russ said, he doesn't know the law.
	He's in deference to win.
	Plus, imagine being Victor.
	You've got Todd Cowan.
	You've got two 30-year attorneys.
	Todd, that's where Todd's on the hooks.
	Come on, Todd.
	Come around here.
	We're asking you to let Jim have his voice.
	do some journalistic prudence and give Jim a chance to share his story, right?
	That would be appropriate.
	And maybe if he doesn't have the lawyers to help Jim out, well, then maybe he has referrals.
	Like, let's turn this into a positive.
	And if they don't go with that, well, then they had no intention.
	You see what I mean?
	Yep, that's correct.
	Well, and the thing that I want to get across is...
	When adults have conflicts, the way to go about it as an adult, a mature adult, is off the screen, away from cameras, you have a dialogue to try and resolve.
	That's what mature adults do.
	Victor has everything on the public camera going when he does all this, you know, defamation.
	And that's not a way to resolve any kind of conflict.
	He's also a fabricator.
	All three people that are in his audience are always on his side.
	It's crazy.
	He's editing the comments.
	I saw one where 16 comments had been posted but there were only four visible.
	He deleted the other 12 because they were critical of what he was doing.
	So he's doing that.
	He's manufacturing the impression that people like what he's doing.
	Any reason he said St. Louis, they're going to despise it, find it despicable.
	I think he's lost his audience.
	I think most of his audience is gone, but that hasn't stopped him.
	In a lot of ways, he doubles down on his behavior.
	When he kind of sees the audience flittering away, he just says, it's like a crash and burn.
	It's the Hannibal strategy.
	Ross, it's the narcissism!
	He has this narcissistic personality disorder that he wants everything, all the attention to him, and he doesn't care how he gets there.
	He'll trample on anyone.
	He'll slit their throat.
	He'll rape their babies, figuratively speaking.
	I mean, the guy's absolutely off his nut, in my opinion.
	That's not a...
	I'm not a psychiatrist, but there's something profoundly wrong with this guy.
	As a licensed therapist in California for many years, you're right.
	Narcissistic personality disorder.
	You're doing so much good.
	The fact that you reached out to Wynn early on and was telling him he was off the mark that you knew because you'd even participated in drafting some of my motions.
	How could he have a more reliable source than you?
	Let's not forget, I was on your show.
	With Victor for several episodes, so I felt that hopefully I was, I mean, I had my issues, so we were, a lot of things coming up, but the point is that I think what happened here, part of it is, and I think it's obvious,
	we have this whole thing that Joaquin talked about and Russ, this narrowing, if you're not saying The Jews, the Jews are the problem.
	95% is the Jews, then somehow you're not authentic, right?
	Where the fact is, you have Ustaz Mullins, the Kabbalah, all his whole series, you have Milton Wayne Cooper, the Illuminati, nobody, none of those old, older, you know, mentors of ours would say it's just the Jews and the Jews.
	Now you can argue on Revelations 2-9-3-9, you know, the fake Jews, whatever, we get into that.
	But the point is, They're all working together.
	It doesn't matter who...
	Okay, we're going to argue.
	Is it the Italians, the Persians, the Jews, the Vatican?
	Who gives a shit?
	The bottom line is they're all part of the control mechanism that's effing us all over.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	How it disseminates, we can talk about.
	The Pilgrim Society, whatever.
	You see what I'm saying?
	The Black Pope.
	The point is, it's happening.
	How do we fight it?
	If we come together, we can fight it.
	If they split us up, that's what they want.
	And they want this...
	Go ahead.
	This goes back to the incident that precipitated all of this, where on the Truth Vs.
	News, I had Brian and I had Victor as commentators, and Victor was pulling his it's the Jews, it's the Jews, it's the Jews shtick, and Brian was taking exception as not subtle, as an oversimplification,
	as a caricature.
	And when he excused himself on that ground, Victor started attacking him as a coward, which shocked the shit out of me.
	I didn't expect that at all.
	And I told Victor if he would stop attacking Brian, we could reconcile, and I'd bring him back to this show.
	But he said, no, no, his journalistic integrity required for him to expose the truth, except he was committing defamation against Brian as well as he has now against the rest of us.
	This is outrageous.
	Damn. Well, this is what's festering with it.
	It's not separate.
	If you listen to his shows, it's not separate.
	So he's then insinuating that because, i.e., this isn't my verbiage, you know, like Brian and you and whoever, Jews, Jews, Jews, you're not authentic because you're...
	Not on board with their narrative.
	Let's just put it that way without getting any deeper, which is ridiculous.
	The thing is, in some ways, I'm pretty close to Vicar's view on this Jew thing.
	I'm a pretty strong champion.
	I also realize as a big boy and as a mature person that I'm going to get some pushback from people on it.
	But I don't burn everybody to the ground.
	If somebody gives me a little pushback on my worldview, Secret Russ Winters worldview, I don't blow up.
	I kind of go, okay, everybody's entitled to their opinion.
	I can come back and talk to this person later.
	I can kind of go about doing my thing, but he's got to burn the whole world down.
	That's what's bad.
	Yeah, let me apologize to the audience that couldn't take callers today.
	Things got mucked up because Stu Peters was interviewing me on JFK and it got carried over into the show time, so I wasn't there right when it began.
	Let's kind of conclude with a final thought.
	Joaquin, you up first.
	Well, there's so much going on.
	I mean, it looks like Asshole Trump is going to war against Iran.
	It doesn't look like he sends his Steve Witkoff, who's an idiot, to go talk to the foreign minister of Iran.
	There's so much going on in the world.
	So that's why, yes, it's important to finally step in and say, enough, Victor.
	Grow up.
	Be mature.
	Or... Rush, your thoughts?
	just a megalomaniac that keeps doing it.
	It doesn't stop.
	So, yeah, I understand.
	We've got to put our foot down.
	Rush, your thoughts.
	If you're a big jerk and a jackass and a defamer and a slanderer online and you direct that against me and it's actionable, I'm going to defend myself and I'm going to come for you.
	Simple as that.
	Don't do it.
	So far, it really hasn't happened.
	I don't have anybody harassing me.
	I don't really have anybody...
	I got doxxed.
	I've been doxxed by Victor.
	There's a lot of people I think have my email.
	They doxxed you too, Jim.
	Are you getting any...
	He's even put out my phone number and I haven't.
	He did it the other night.
	I sent you the clip.
	Bill, thank you for all that.
	I wish we had more time, but you were a great ad today.
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