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The Raw Deal (26 February 2025) "Fearsome Threesome" edition with Russ Winger and Joachim Hagopian

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	I hope I love the dog Help me if you can I'm feeling down And I do appreciate you being down This is Jim Fetzer your host on The Raw Deal right here on Revolution Radio Studio B February 26
	2025 The Fearsome Threesome Edition with Russ Winter and Joaquin Agopian We're going to look at some of the latest developments, not all of which are what we might have hoped, sad to say.
	Here we have FBI having already found JFK assassination records they didn't know existed.
	2,400 after 60 years.
	Fairly astonishing to think there could be this.
	Sudden revelation makes you wonder what in the world's going on here.
	The still-secret records are contained in 14,000 pages of the document the FBI found in a review triggered by President Trump's January 23rd executive order to main the release of all JFK assassination records.
	Well, I'm glad there are more.
	Meanwhile, however, Pam Bondi has gone dark.
	Listen to her.
	There's a suggestion that it's because the records...
	And Israel is one of our...
	AFK and RFK contain information implicating Israel, and you can hear her enthusiasm for Israel right here.
	And Israel is one of our, if not our greatest ally in the world, and I'm so proud of what happened today.
	I've been to Israel twice as Attorney General, and Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
	All right, but as you know, with all these Palestinian protests, the fear seem to be that it might be agitating a lot of this violence.
	Now, one of the concerns is that the Palestinians, of course, look forward to a homeland of their own, whether it ever comes to pass.
	But key to that would be making East Jerusalem its capital.
	That does not seem likely now, but what's your sense?
	Well, you know, the U.S., we're in the final stages of finalizing our peace plan with Israel and with Palestine.
	Jared Kushner has been leading that up.
	He is an amazing person.
	He's brilliant.
	He's soft-spoken.
	He's a great negotiator, as well as the President of the United States.
	And I feel that I think this shows strength.
	It says that we mean what we say.
	President Trump has always said Jerusalem is the capital.
	And it is now firmly the Capitol.
	Well, I like when she says, we mean what we say, but what's going on here?
	Here we have Henry Macow, I think, explaining the score.
	Trump can't keep his JFK and Epstein promises.
	U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi refuses to release the Epstein-JFK and 9-11 files because they all...
	Implicate Israel.
	Trump can't keep his promises because Israel and the CIA are behind the JFK assassination and the Epstein operation.
	Trump is blackmailed by Mossad.
	A whistleblower alleges FBI is deleting evidence to obstruct Patel and Mugano's investigations.
	Legal experts warn that if evidence destruction is proven, Those responsible could face serious legal consequences, including obstruction of justice charges.
	Meanwhile, the FBI is yet to respond to these allegations.
	As a situation unfolds, all eyes are on Battelle and Bongino to see how they respond.
	Will the agency take action against those allegedly involved in the cover-up?
	Or will this controversy deepen the FBI's ongoing credibility crisis?
	Reddit conspiracy comment?
	Is it not weird that the Epstein files still haven't been released and now there are rumors of evidence being destroyed?
	Trump promised the release of these files, among other information, and is coming up short.
	Funny part is all the so-called truth-tellers from Rogan to PBD podcasts won't say a thing about it.
	That's how you know who are truly sheep.
	They only believe in holding certain people to a standard.
	This 100% suggests Trump's name is in the docs.
	I bet something will be released later after evidence has been tampered with and destroyed.
	Some might say that Biden had been destroyed evidence, and I would say that shouldn't stop Trump or his lackey cosh from releasing.
	Straight pedophiles.
	Russ, your thoughts about this?
	I'm pretty upset.
	Well, Bongino was on air saying the same thing, and his great passion was Israel, and he's just wash, rinse, and repeat.
	But there's kind of a side, I don't know, maybe you bring it up, there's a sideline issue where they fired like 100 degenerates from the...
	Yeah, yeah, Tulsi, Tulsi, they had this sex chat room about that.
	Yeah, 100 people actively on a...
	In a chat room, I mean, that just illustrates the infestation.
	I mean, we've been talking about that for years, how they get in there, infiltrate, infest, infest, and they're so open and brazen about it that they just have their own little pervert chat room.
	Yeah.
	Of course, these are Biden hangovers.
	You know, I have a lot of faith in Tulsi.
	She's doing the right thing.
	Joaquin, this is one of your areas of specialization.
	What's your take?
	Well, all along I've said that if it's based on history, nobody's going to get indicted.
	And here we go again with Trump being owned by Israel, being owned by the city of London, being owned by the central bank and cabal that bankrupted him out of bankruptcy for several times already.
	You know, and everybody that he has around him are, you know, card-carrying Israeli first people.
	Even the ones that we think are good, I think, are going to cave in because Trump is the boss, you know?
	And, you know, Gordon Duff did a hell of an article on Trump unloading all the pedophilia.
	Very, very nice job.
	About a week ago, he's got an article out.
	And, of course, I covered it very extensively, too.
	So, you know, I'm not expecting a whole lot in this particular realm because, yeah, Israel killed JFK, and they also were responsible for Epstein, and they also are responsible for 9-1-1.
	So, I mean, yeah, this guy is owned by Israel and those like them, and he's not going to come out with any of this shit, I don't think.
	Well, JFK is far more complicated than...
	There were eight different sponsors who wanted him out, principally for reasons of policy, because they preferred JFK. For example, a Texas oilman.
	Jack was going to cut the oil depletion allowance.
	They weren't going to stand for that.
	CIA threatened to shatter it into a thousand pieces.
	They weren't going to stand for that.
	The Joint Chiefs threw in because he had not invaded Cuba.
	Contrary to the unanimous recommendation, he'd gone ahead and signed an above-ground test ban treaty with the Soviet Union.
	Contrary to the unanimous opposition, and now he was pulling our forces out of Vietnam, where they believed a stand had to be taken against the expansion of international godless communism.
	The mafia was upset because the mafia was bringing more indictments and convictions than ever before in history.
	The Fed was upset in the eastern establishment because he'd instructed the Department of Treasury to print United States notes, and I believe he was on a roll to...
	Reverse it because the idea of paying interest to a consortium of private banks for publishing the currency of the United States when it could be printed by the Department of Treasury for free was absurd!
	And, of course, it was that loggerhead with Israel because David Ben-Gurion, the founder and the first prime minister, believed Israel should develop nuclear weapons, which composed on the ground it would set off a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.
	Lyndon was all in because he wanted to become president.
	And he'd be in the position to guarantee that no one who participated in the assassination would ever be.
	Punished for their effort.
	And it turns out each of those different groups put up their own shooter.
	So we got a Texas oilman at his shooter, a deputy sheriff who shot Jack in the back.
	We had the Joint Chiefs and Air Force experts inside the triple underpass fired a shot, hit Jack in the throat.
	We had a mob guy fired a shot, hit Jack in the right temple.
	We had an anti-Castro-Cuban fired his shot, hit him in the back of the head.
	We had an Israeli shooter hitting him in the side of the head.
	I mean, that's five, just based on the medical evidence.
	And then he had a shot to Connolly Sabra that was fired by LBJ's guy, the mistaken belief it was Ralph Yarbrough.
	That's six.
	Then we had a CI gay who just joined the Dallas PD with a handgun, easiest shot, but he would have hit Jackie.
	So we had to pull a shot and the slug was picked up by a Dallas Lieutenant Day and never seen again.
	That's already seven.
	And then we had on the grass opposite, there's a single tree there.
	You wouldn't believe you could have a shooter.
	But I've seen photographs, two different photographs, two different experts showing him standing with a rifle.
	Now he's the only one for whom I do not have the name, the rank, the serial number, the shot he fired, and the effect.
	Israel only gets part of the credit for JFK. But when it comes to RFK, I think it's much, much larger.
	And of course, 9-11 was an Israeli op with complicity from the CIA and the DOC and the DOD. Russ, go ahead.
	Well, I would think that Bundy's going to throw some of these eight, seven or eight that you mentioned under the bus.
	But it won't be Israel.
	It won't be the Israeli rule.
	They'll be completely left out of it.
	And we'll probably learn some new things from her to come here and give her cred and legitimacy.
	But nothing involving Israel, nothing involving Israel, JFK, with RFK, with 9-11, nothing like that.
	But a few mysteries will be solved here and there.
	Well, it turns out, of course, that, in fact, the...
	The role of the Epstein's little black book had already been revealed.
	Here it is.
	Here's a revelation.
	Oops.
	Suddenly couldn't be found.
	Let me see what I can do on that.
	Meanwhile, Joaquin, go ahead.
	The famous 404 messages.
	How often have I seen that during my...
	Go ahead, Joaquin.
	Give us more of your thoughts about all the above-life track.
	World War.
	Yeah.
	My understanding is that there's a whole bunch of Epstein tapes out there.
	Lots of people are holding them.
	And I think, obviously, they hold them for their own self-protection, you know, and to protect others as well that are in that club.
	And, you know, I've said a long time, I think that probably it's not going to come out.
	There will probably not be indictments.
	They never go up the ladder of power and do indictments on pedophilia.
	It's never happened before.
	It's always at the state or local levels that you see people up for that crime, not at the national level.
	Look at this, back on January 23rd, 2015. Ten years ago, Donald Trump, Courtney Love, former Israeli PM Ehud Barak, Uber lawyer Alan Dershowitz may have been identified by a butler as potential material witness as to pedophile billionaire Jabri Epstein crimes against young girls.
	According to a copy of Epstein's Little Black Book obtained by Gawker, an annotated copy of the address book, which also contained entries for Alec Baldwin, Ralph Finesse, Griffin Dunn, New York Post gossip, Richard Johnson, Ted Kennedy, David Koch, filmmaker Andrew Jarek, and all manner of other people you might expect a billionaire to know, turn up in court proceedings.
	After Epstein's former house manager Alfredo Rodriguez tried to sell it in 2009, about 50 of the entries, including those of many of Epstein's suspected victims and accomplices, as well as Trump, Love, Barack Nershowitz, and others, were circled by Rodriguez.
	The existence of the book has been previously reported by the Daily Mail.
	Gawker Is publishing it in full here for the first time.
	We have redacted addresses, telephone numbers, email addresses, and last names of individuals who may have been underage victims.
	Joaquin, I'm sure you're aware of this little black book.
	Yeah, I've run across that.
	That's very interesting because obviously there's some big names in there.
	But, you know, will there be indictments?
	I still am not thinking there will.
	Russ, your thoughts about The Little Black Book?
	In some ways, I think The Little Black Book is maybe a distraction from an even larger big black book out there.
	And, you know, the thing that's kind of missing about the Epstein thing are the foreign things that are going on, you know, like different leaders abroad.
	And I kind of wonder about some of the people in the Middle East, you know, that we're seeing in there in the genocide, how inactive they are.
	That's not necessarily Epstein related.
	That's related to other Mossad or big black book operations.
	So I would just kind of add that thought to the mix.
	Not that the little black book isn't important because that's the domestic part of the domestic control network.
	Well, I'm fascinated that the idea that Bondi and Trump, who promised us They promised us they were going to release this stuff, in my opinion.
	This is a real acid test of their integrity because, look, we all know he's got the weakness for Israel and Gaza and genocide.
	We're all troubled by that.
	He seemed to be making great strides moving to settle the Ukraine deal.
	You know, the thing is that Trump may pick a few of his enemies to throw under the bus.
	That's how he's going to do it.
	So somehow he'll insulate people that are close to him.
	And you notice that Trump is throwing the people that are kind of in the other camp under the bus.
	For instance, this Tulsi Gabbard perversion group of 100. I mean, the involvement of these people in these activities is widespread, but it's been politicized.
	So I think that's really important to emphasize here, that he will throw some people under the bus.
	His enemies are people that he doesn't like or care about or want to protect.
	So you don't think this was Tulsi acting to expose him that she had to get Trump's permission to do it?
	I think she went in there and found this little group right out in the open and all this stuff is fairly quickly revealed.
	It's probably somebody tipped her off and you've been infiltrated by a bunch of transgenders.
	I mean, people love that story.
	Yeah, that's part of my salami strategy.
	Let's expose the transgenders.
	Because they have infested and taken over these agencies.
	There's clear indications of that.
	They're everywhere.
	Joaquin, yeah, more.
	Well, you know, I think that It's safe to come out with these perverts that might be in the intel services.
	But like I say, I think anything that involves Israel, I don't think it's going to come out.
	I think that Trump is so compromised by the big guns of the Rothschilds and the rest of them that have bailed them out many times.
	I don't think they're going to get to the bottom of really who is behind the Epstein thing.
	And it's so obvious that Bill Clinton, you know, I mean, that's so obvious.
	He's been photographed with young girls, you know, on the plane, on his plane.
	I know the Lolita Express.
	He was on at least 26 flights, for crying out loud.
	So I wonder why that thing was out there so prominent.
	And even Hillary has gone down there on the plane, too.
	And supposedly, her assistant, supposedly there's a video out there where they're actually tearing a child's skin off and doing horrible things.
	I don't, you know, probably assume, but I don't know.
	I got a recording of it, Joaquin.
	This is not fantasy.
	This was on the Anthony Weiner.
	So, yeah, that's where it came from.
	This was hugely covered at the time.
	There were a dozen tough New York cops who saw this and were reduced to tears.
	They got sick.
	They got sick, and some of them were murdered, too.
	I think all but one may be dead by now, but, I mean, they've got this.
	It's been in the hands of the FBI forever.
	Did you ever see it?
	Have you seen it?
	I've heard it.
	I've got a part of the recording on my Pizzagate, you know, fake or real, on my blog.
	If you go to the tail end and I say, brace yourself for this.
	I didn't want to see it.
	I believe it's out there and real.
	Then there's Podesta.
	Then there's Podesta's operations, you know, but again, that's...
	That's salami strategy.
	Those are people that Trump can throw under the bus.
	Because it's a uni-party.
	We've got to come up with a good term for it.
	It's like a uni-pervert party.
	The uni-perverts.
	The salami end of the perverts, such as this Tulsi Gabbard revelation, they're expendable.
	And Trump looks good when he throws them under the bus.
	This is part of the WikiLeaks releases.
	Where, you know, Seth Rich downloaded from the DNC files because he was a Bernie Sanders guy and he was pissed off.
	They took like 13 primaries, caucuses.
	Bernie had won and put them in Hillary's column to make sure she'd be the candidate.
	So he downloaded all this good stuff and Buzessa had him whacked as a consequence.
	This is what my research substantiates.
	And among them is...
	An email about Obama having spent $65,000 of American taxpayer dollars flying pizza and hot dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House.
	And of course, White House won't accept any food from outside sources.
	Had it been real pizza and hot dogs, they'd have been soggy and inedible by the time they got to Washington.
	But, in pedo-speak, pizza's little girl's hot dog's little boy.
	So, Brock.
	Shelled out $65,000 a taxpayer dollar to fly little boys and little girls in Chicago for a private party at the White House.
	That's how bad it is.
	Yeah.
	And then there's that woman that worked, I don't know, State Department or somewhere in the government, deep state, Democrat, who had a pool party.
	And she was actually offering her grandchildren as victims, basically, to these sick, Democrats that are down there in Washington and, you know, Hillary and Podesta, all of them.
	Yes, yes.
	Russ, you wanted to add more?
	Well, I mean, all I can tell you is a side note just for the hell of it.
	My son and I went in to Comet Pizza when I was there visiting.
	Oh, did you?
	Yeah, we went in there.
	We were going to order a pizza.
	I said, ah, let's get the hell out of here.
	This place is spooky.
	Well, it was connected.
	I mean, there was a series of them there in Washington, D.C. I've documented all this in my Pizza Gate.
	Go to jameshfetzer.org, the 65 shows, and check out the Pizza Gate.
	It's one of the earlier on the list.
	This is all very serious stuff.
	We got Pachinic.
	On Twitter, explain who Jeffrey Epstein really was.
	Let's see what he has to say.
	Hi, this is Dr. Pachenik.
	I want to talk about the Epstein pedophilia ring.
	What it really is, is a Mossad Israeli operative ring, which goes back decades and decades, all the way to the time even where the Liberty ship was attacked by Israeli planes, unmarked Israeli planes, during the Six-Day War, and Israel said they didn't do it.
	Well, that was a lie.
	Israel has not been our greatest ally.
	It's been our greatest enemy.
	They were also involved in 9-11 and the standout war for which this deputy confirmed that to me.
	Israeli Mossad operatives who I interrogated and threatened confirmed that to me and I put away two Mossad operatives.
	The key to this Epstein problem of pedophilia is the fact that it goes back decades.
	Jeff Epstein was picked out by the Mossad as the proper agent of influence because Number one, he was grandiose.
	Two, he had some intelligence but came from a poor Jewish background, had no real education, did not speak a foreign language, and was so narcissistic that they could manipulate him up and down and create a false front for him, which involved the fact that he had multi-million dollars or multi-billion dollars.
	He may have no money.
	It's not even relevant.
	But to make sure that Jeffrey Epstein was working properly, they had an operator from the Mossad who was named Maxwell.
	The daughter of Robert Maxwell.
	One of the greatest crooks in the world who was an Israeli Mossad operative.
	When he died in 1991, he was either killed or he died.
	He was one of the biggest contributors to Israeli national security than anybody else.
	So his daughter was the control operative of Jeff Epstein.
	At the same time, we had NXIVM in New York City, which was run by a non-Jew named Renier, but controlled by two Jewish women, the Bronfman family.
	In turn, we're propagating pedophilia.
	Now, why is pedophilia so lethal?
	From an intelligence point of view, from my point of view, as an intelligence operative and a counterintelligence operative, one of the most disgusting things that you can do in the intelligence world is to double you up or co-opt you through the use of a honey trap, but not only an adult honey trap, but a child.
	When you use a child, you pretty much terrorize that child so that you know anybody who's gotten involved with pedophilia cannot speak out.
	The child can't say anything, and it's a legitimate way to denigrate both the operative and the problem itself, the children.
	Nevertheless, the Mossad encouraged so many operatives that were involved with...
	We'll return to Steve Machanik, and the rest will be up.
	Bye. . .
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	Catophilia under the Epstein ring and under the Naxxium ring with the two Bronfman daughters that you're talking about thousands of people.
	Now, it also goes all the way up into the presidency.
	It goes into the Bush family, Bush Jr., Jeb.
	It goes into Clintons, as we know Hillary, Bill Clinton, who's a pathological liar to the nth degree, to Obama, who had a history of homosexuality and pedophilia, all the way down to the Bushes and beyond that.
	So what the Israelis did under the...
	The tutelage of two brilliant Mossad chiefs, Halevi and Yatom.
	Both of whom used pedophilia as a honey trap to encapsulate any one of our operatives in America.
	Jeff Epstein was a willing operative.
	He willingly was involved in pedophilia.
	The Israelis knew that.
	They created his storyline.
	They made believe he was a billionaire.
	Wexner was the theoretical backup man to him.
	And ironically, he was in Bear Stearns, which was another corrupt Jewish firm that went under.
	With Drexel Burnham, another corrupt Jewish firm.
	So we have a lot of corruption here, which goes all the way back to 9-11, when we had Jews like Silverstein, who had the lease to the World Trade Canada, we had Lowry, we had Lauder, and we had Eisenberg, all of whom were involved in the stand-down and the false flag of 9-11.
	So from 9-11 on, Trump understood that the Israelis had been involved in an intelligence service and in compromising America.
	He never forgot that.
	And what he did blatantly was to turn around and on a certain day, he decided he was going to indict every one of the Mossad operatives, as well as the Israelis, on charges of pedophilia.
	Not on charges of spying, because that wouldn't work.
	But Acosta, the Secretary of Labor was correct when he said that Epstein got off of the prosecutor's indictment in Florida because he worked in the intelligence service.
	Now, it's not only the Mossad that's involved, clearly the CIA was involved.
	And it was the old CIA and not the present CIA. Why do I say that?
	Because the heroes of this picture...
	It's not only Trump and the White House, but it really involves what I consider to be my deep state, which is what I've talked about for 20 years, the people at the NSA, the NRO, the NGA, the CIA,
	the new CIA, and other intelligence organizations which blew this operation apart over the past 10 to 20 years because in their NSA sweep of our telephones or the metadata, They had picked up Israeli compromises all over the United States and the world.
	What we have now is a real problem with Israel.
	And Israel has been placed on notice because our ambassador, the Jewish ambassador there, as well as Kushner, have made a very clear statement.
	Israel, you're on notice.
	If you do not make a peace treaty with the Palestinians, there will be more serious repercussions than you imagine.
	the beginning of the takedown of your Mossad operatives who were all present and we will put them in prison is just the beginning of what we can do to the future of Israel now as a Jew I am not proud what American Jews have done for the most part when did he say this I'm trying to get the context of what he's talking about.
	I mean, the stuff about Trump is kind of nonsense.
	This is posted February 22nd, 2025. Because, you know, I remember him talking about this before.
	Very revealing about Israel and the Mossad.
	And then he just kind of went dormant.
	He was kind of backing Trump.
	Then all of a sudden he seemed to have like a falling out with Alex Jones.
	And then he never really heard too much from Steve Pchenik.
	And, I mean, he's kind of like 90% of what he said is just right over the target.
	Almost better than anybody does it.
	But then he kind of decoys off on a defense of Trump.
	Like they got this thing.
	Under wraps.
	And that's where I have a big problem with what he said.
	But, I mean, very revealing, though.
	Yeah, I think it's very good, too.
	What happened to Steve Pachinic?
	You know, you don't see him anymore, do you?
	Yeah, he disappeared a few years ago.
	It was kind of weird.
	I don't quite get it, and I haven't followed up.
	But, yeah, what he's saying is very much true.
	Everything he says, I also have to admit that everything he said is in my, I do two articles, I mean two chapters on basically Epstein alone and then on the Nexium, the Bronfman sisters group.
	That they ran, running up children from Mexico on the south of the border there.
	I did a chapter on that one as well.
	But yeah, I'm a little surprised that he's actually bad-mouthing Israel.
	That's kind of surprising.
	He nailed him.
	He nailed him, but he's acting like Trump's on top of this thing.
	That's really flabbergasted.
	Yeah, that's the part that is really way off kilter because Trump's in deep.
	He's like, the white hats are going to save the day.
	Come on, Steve.
	That's the last part.
	I find them to be arrogant, ignorant.
	Totally devoid of any world culture.
	Totally devoid of understanding what happened to us in the Holocaust.
	Totally devoid of understanding what Israel is really about.
	And it isn't the sanctimonious state that people think it is because I was there in the 1980s when they created Hamas.
	I was there when the generals were terrorizing Palestinians and the Intifada was created.
	But let me quote to you, my rabbi.
	And it turns out to be a family member, Soloveitchik, who said, in order to be a good Jew or a good human, you have to follow the righteous way and avoid evil.
	Thank you and good night.
	Fascinating.
	Amazing.
	That's dated, as I say.
	Wait a minute.
	The post up on Twitter is dated recently.
	But when did he say that?
	Because it seems like I heard part of this.
	In the past.
	In the past.
	And then he disappeared.
	And then he started falling out with Alex Jones.
	And it's almost like he went over the line and they basically canned his ass.
	That's kind of my theory.
	But I might be wrong.
	So if anybody has a history with Steve Pacinic, I don't think he writes his blog anymore.
	He used to actually use some of my articles in his blog.
	Nice!
	You know, he probably used some of yours as well.
	Have you had any kind of relationship with him?
	No, I would have been glad to interview him, or vice versa.
	Joaquin, your thoughts?
	Well, you know, I do remember him around Pizzagate time.
	He was talking about stuff.
	You know, I don't know.
	I like the guy.
	And he comes out with some pretty honest stuff, I think.
	But he has always been very loyal to Trump.
	So that tells us a lot right there.
	This odd interview that Kevin Barrett did with Ryan Dawson, I had a debate in New York over the radio.
	This is good gravy.
	This must be nearly 20 years ago.
	After 9-11 events there, and I was unimpressed with the guy, and frankly, what we got here with Kevin Barrett makes me equally unimpressed with Dawson, but also with Kevin, because he seems to have no comprehension about the planes in New York.
	Two of them weren't even in the air that day.
	11, North Tower, and 77. Pentagon.
	They weren't even in the air that day.
	He goes on talking about the Pentagon being a big hole in the Pentagon, claiming there were plane parts, but there weren't any plane parts in the hole in the Pentagon.
	It was about 10 feet high and 16 or 17 feet wide to unbroken windows.
	There was a chain link fence, a couple of cars, a fire spools, a gable.
	No massive pile of aluminum debris from a 100-ton airliner.
	No bodies, no seats, no luggage, no wings, no tail.
	Not even the engines were recovered.
	And Kevin, not only...
	I went, and this is like April Gallup that walked out of there and didn't see anything.
	Yes, and Jamie McIntyre right there on the scene reporting, the best reporter they had.
	And he's asked about the plane crash.
	He said, well, you know from my...
	Close-up inspection.
	There's no sign of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.
	They're just these little pieces of stuff.
	And that's because it was hit with a missile in the West Wing by a Global Hawk, which is made of synthetic material.
	And when it crashed into the building, it just shattered into these little pieces of stuff that you could pick up in your hand.
	But he's also debunking.
	The no-planes theory, I mean, it's just embarrassing to me, because not only were those two not in the air, but pilots for 9-11 Truth established, and they're very clever, did brilliant work here, that Flight 93 was over Champaign-Urbana after it officially crashed in Shanksville, and 175 was over Harrisburg in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania after it officially hit the South Tower.
	And where I obtained FAA registration materials showing that the physical aircraft that were used for those flights weren't even deregistered or formally taken out of service until 28 September 2005. So how can planes that weren't even in the air crash on 9-11?
	And how can planes that crashed on 9-11 have still been in the air four years later?
	And Kevin goes right along saying, yeah.
	It is very, very likely the no-plane theory is false.
	Who does he think is behind 9-11 and just the CIA and Bush and just leaves at that?
	I don't know.
	I mean, this guy I've known for so long.
	I did 9-11 events with him.
	I got him radio shows the whole bit.
	I was a very strong supporter of Kevin.
	And here he's dealing with a guy who's really, in my opinion, A source of disinformation.
	And he's going along with it.
	I'm just embarrassed.
	Frankly, I'm embarrassed.
	Joaquin, your thoughts?
	Well, you know, I've also known Kevin a long time, and he does a lot of good work.
	But, yeah, you know, we all have our blind spots, and obviously that day was a blind spot for him to just kind of go along with that.
	And Sandy Hook, too.
	Despite my massive evidence, for Christ's sake, I've even got the Connecticut FEMA schedule showing the event scheduled!
	My God!
	Where they even set out a map how to get down there to Dickinson Drive where the school was located.
	He's still on the fence there.
	He's still on the fence.
	I find that so unbelievably insulting.
	My God!
	How could you look at the evidence and still be on the fence?
	It's like the whole...
	In 9-11, you can simplify by simply asking the question, who were the pilots?
	Who were the alleged pilots of these planes?
	And they couldn't fly them.
	That's really all you need to know.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Like Hannehan Jorah couldn't pilot an assassin.
	It was supposed to have done this stunning event of crashing Flight 77 into the Pentagon up feet of...
	Piloting that most pilots say they couldn't possibly have carried out.
	I mean, you're absolutely right about it being absurd.
	And by the way, you know, as far as what happened in New York with the planes, it took a year and a half for Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds, two prominent members of Scholars for 9-11 Truth, which I founded in December 2005, to convince me to look at the planes in New York.
	Because we had so many videos, they're like 52 videos.
	And I couldn't bring myself to do it for a year and a half.
	And then what I did, I saw we had this impossible entry of a plane into the South Tower where it passes its whole length into the building in the same number of frames it passes its whole length.
	How about going into the Pentagon at ground level at 500 miles an hour?
	Over 400. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There's no debris.
	There's no damage to the pantalon.
	There's nothing there for...
	I don't know, 45 minutes and then the debris starts to trickle in.
	Would you believe the most important piece is from the side of a 757?
	It's real fuselage debris, but it shows no signs of having exposed to a fire or being crumpled from a violent collision and entwined as a piece of vine, not indigenous to the Arlington, Virginia area.
	Where a brilliant attorney from Columbus, Ohio, tracked it down, James Hansen, tracked it down to a crash of a 757, there have been very few, near Cali, Columbia back in 1995, where the pilot lost track, crashed through a jungle where these vines grow in abundance, and it was salvaged by an Israeli firm.
	I've never heard that story.
	It is so unbelievable.
	I've never heard that one.
	Jim, those...
	The Cali Vines.
	The Cali Vines evidence.
	I have a question.
	Where it hit in the Pentagon, were there offices and records that were top secret that got destroyed on purpose?
	Was that the case?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Remember how Rumsfeld announced it the day before, $2.3 trillion missing from the Pentagon.
	So we had the budget chief bring all the records and all the experts into the West Wing, which was just recently renovated to be nuclear-proof, the only wing of the Pentagon.
	It was breadth of personnel and records except for all the records related to this.
	When I looked at the casualty list, 120 from the Pentagon, I'll stay on assembly.
	There were three dozen accountants, financial experts, and analysts.
	They used a missile fired by the Global Hawk to take them out, Joaquin, and destroy the records.
	That was a big part of the op.
	Even a former military intelligence head, General Stubblebine, admitted it was a missile, one of ours.
	Let me tell you, I love this Stubblebine guy.
	So deep into all this, you know, plane business, that became one of my areas of expertise regarding 9-11.
	So I had Stubblebine on as a guest, and I showed him all the evidence I had about the North Tower, the Pentagon, the South Tower, Shanksville.
	Not only did Stubblebine agree with me, but he added additional reasons why I was right.
	About two of the planes not being in the air and the other two, you know, that it was all faked, all fabricated.
	I mean, he was right in there pitching.
	I loved the guy.
	So you can find this all recounted in my 9-11 special for 11 September 2021 in memoriam for Robert David Steele, who was doing too much good work.
	You know, he was a COVID victim.
	He went in and...
	He had his own ivermectin, and he told him he didn't want any shots, and he didn't want to be put on a respirator, and they put him on a respirator, and they killed him in the hospital, and I think it was no accident.
	He was a good man.
	No, no.
	We collaborated.
	They got to him.
	They did some kind of spray or something that then made him have trouble breathing that required him to end up in the ER, and he was prepared.
	For anything like that, but they disregarded, and they went ahead and put him on the ventilator and the remdesivir, and that's that lethal cocktail that put him out.
	It was just terrible, just terrible.
	Now, Russ, I know you've got to go early today, so I want to know if there are stories you want to cover, come from Winter Watch, something you'd like to put up.
	I can even make you a host.
	We can kind of do it like we always do.
	You know, I mentioned Dan Bongino.
	We talked about that.
	Illegal aliens loot U.S. trains in the Mojave Desert for high-value Nike sneakers.
	I thought that was kind of an interesting story.
	Russ, I just made you a host, so you can show us your winter watch if you want, whatever.
	Okay, here.
	Let's watch this.
	Script build on a lie.
	Let's see.
	Let me go to the...
	Zoom.
	Share.
	Okay, wait a minute.
	I've got to close some of these screens down.
	I think sometimes people, I think they're so expert like him, and just won't look at the evidence.
	They won't look at the evidence.
	They won't look at the evidence of Sandy Hook.
	I'll bet he's never even read my book for crying out loud.
	No, that's right.
	That's exactly right.
	And I think what happens is because they don't challenge this stuff, they're allowed to have audiences.
	They don't, I mean, like where is Steve Pachenik gone?
	I really have a question on that.
	Yeah, after that presentation.
	Okay, let me see here.
	Let's watch this.
	Share screen.
	Screens.
	It's like I say about the Holocaust.
	If you're familiar with the evidence, you're either a Holocaust denier or a big, fat liar.
	There aren't any options.
	It's just awful.
	It's so massive.
	I can't really get this thing to work.
	I'm kind of having a hard time.
	I'll just kind of go over the story.
	You've got to open what you want and then do the share and then put your cursor on it, click it, and it should happen.
	We enjoyed the Winter Watch, Russ.
	You're doing such a great job.
	But go right ahead.
	Just tell us the story you've shown.
	Okay.
	The one I was going to show you kind of shows this woman, a script built on a lie.
	That's the name of the article.
	You can go to Winter Watch and see it.
	Boy, she just really launches into the Zionist, you know, their scripts that they run.
	That's worth seeing.
	Senator Fetterman's staff have quit in protest over just working on Israel all the time.
	That's a story I have running.
	Bus bombing in Bat-EM Tel Aviv was done by Jewish Israelis.
	Some more false flags.
	There's a big crisis developing student loans because they gave people passes on paying their loans back and servicing their loans, and all of a sudden they rapidly changed the rules and have released this credit data to the FICO scores.
	So a ton of people are having their credit scores dropped from their student loans activity.
	That was Biden that did that, yeah.
	Trump just signed an executive order to terminate all taxpayer-funded benefits for illegal aliens, so that's...
	Yeah, that was a couple of days ago, but obviously the right thing to do.
	That would have been a good one for the very first day in office.
	But the interesting follow-up on that is you're seeing that a lot of the retailers are reporting just really sudden massive drops in activity.
	Home Depot.
	So there's your illegal aliens, you know, buying product at Home Depot, and all of a sudden, nobody has any money anymore.
	That was kind of the main story, the main story situation.
	Omen Guy's speech at CPAC, it was just sensational!
	And he says, I'm not going to take any shit from anybody.
	I don't give a shit if you like me or not.
	I'm getting them out of the country.
	I love the guy.
	Wow.
	The CEO of Starbucks acknowledges the boycotts hurt the brand.
	Well, they went woke.
	Right.
	Einstein tried to warn the world about Zionism and Jewish terrorism.
	Pretty revealing letter.
	Yeah, who was that to?
	Was that to Roosevelt or Truman?
	He wrote it to...
	I can read this letter.
	Yeah, dude.
	Ah, come on.
	Thank you.
	Or not.
	This is to the Executive Director Rifkin of the American Friends of the Fighters for the Freedom of Israel.
	He says, Dear sir, then a real and final catastrophe should befall us in Palestine.
	The first responsible for it would be the British, and the second responsible for it would be the terrorist organizations built up from our own rank.
	I am not willing to see anybody associated with these misled and criminal people.
	Sincerely yours, Albert Einstein.
	The guy really couldn't write very well.
	Surprising.
	His penmanship wasn't the best.
	Quite elderly, too.
	So Einstein was referring to the Jewish terrorists as, Is that true?
	Yeah.
	Zionist Jewish terrorists.
	Yeah.
	I say good for him.
	He gets an A-plus for that.
	Yeah.
	Notwithstanding.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, that's pretty much the main items on my page that I've spotted.
	Oh, the current movie situation.
	There's really some bad movies out right now.
	Just totally Talmudic stuff.
	Hey, what do you think about MSNBC getting a new chief and dumping Joy Reid, who is the most extraordinary, extreme propagandist I've ever seen in any context?
	She's gone!
	Yeah, the complete fall of that slimy end of the spectrum.
	Yeah.
	I think it's wonderful.
	Rachel Maddow wrote some diatribe complaining about Joy Reid being sacked because she knows she's next.
	She gets this gargantuan salary and she's a mediocrity.
	They just like her style.
	Let's see if I can play this.
	See, I don't understand what I... It had the screen on, and then I click on this thing, and it doesn't come up.
	It kind of confuses me.
	Joaquin, what do you think about MSNBC here?
	Oh, good.
	Good, Russ.
	Good.
	Can you see the screen?
	Yeah, we see the word Zoom.
	Oh, shoot.
	That's not it.
	I don't get this thing.
	I can't get this Zoom.
	It's just amazing how clunky it is.
	That's okay, my friend.
	Yeah, there you are.
	There you are.
	This is Tulsi about the chat room.
	Okay, you got that on there, but how about this one right there?
	Can you see that?
	Leaving America?
	Mexicans leaving?
	Yeah.
	Mexicans leaving USA. You're making a mistake here.
	All right, ready?
	With all due respect, you're making a mistake here.
	We're not coming into America.
	We're living.
	Living.
	Sure, pal.
	On the ground.
	We're not kidding, man.
	We're seriously, we're going to bounce.
	Bounce?
	Why would you bounce from America?
	Ain't one bad thing.
	One.
	I mean, we got lists.
	Polarized politics, inflation, not to mention the menu at Taco Bell changing again.
	Taco Bell?
	Real Mexicans like that stuff?
	We love that shit, man.
	But is it even, it's not even meat, is it?
	I love it.
	I love it.
	What do we eat?
	Yeah, we like McDonald's.
	Is that real beef?
	And you know what?
	Thank you, Russ.
	Okay.
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	There's a lot going on with Ukraine where things seem to be settling down.
	I think Russia and Trump are going to have this all ironed out by Easter.
	I think it'll be over.
	Walsh rules out Ukraine joining NATO after Zelensky offer.
	U.S. threat to gut Starlink access provides major leverage over Ukraine.
	Ukraine and U.S. agree on a framework economic deal, Ukrainian officials say.
	Trump blames Ukraine over war with Russia, saying it could have made a deal exclusive.
	Rubio.
	Not a serious offer for Ukraine to ask for nuclear weapons and B-stocks with Russia.
	Boy, is that an understatement.
	Yes, Ukraine should hold elections.
	Three years into the Russia-Ukraine war, these third parties have been the big winners.
	It's a...
	Pretty fascinating to see how rapidly Trump has acted on Ukraine.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah, I am impressed with this.
	He really is moving quickly and speaking to Russians directly, both diplomatically, but also doing business trade with Russia.
	And that's pretty impressive too.
	So yeah, I'm very hopeful that between Russia and the United States, they can work this out, and nobody else has any bargaining chips, be it NATO, EU, Europe, Ukraine.
	Zelensky, none of them have anything to say, because they don't deserve it, and especially Zelensky.
	Since even Putin's calling him out and saying, hey, man, you know, without a vote, you're not legit, you know?
	So, yeah, it's all good.
	I really like the developments.
	I like the things that are going on with Doge, and I like what's going on with Ukraine.
	There are other areas that really, really bother me about Trump, though.
	Yeah, and I take it.
	Don't focus on...
	Gaza, Israel, Zionism, genocide, if I'm not mistaken, elaborate, Joaquin.
	Yeah, you know, he's been involved in many of the pedophilia operations with Epstein.
	And, you know, he even had a lawsuit against him just before the 2016 election.
	That person off.
	So, yeah, I mean, they got the dirty goods on him and he does what he's told.
	I mean, they do control him.
	So, you know, that's why I'm not even thinking anything's going to come up of the Epstein list.
	And then the other area is he's in bed.
	With all the technocrats, you know, the oligarchs that are talking about mRNA vaccine, Larry Ellison, the first full day in the White House is a guest and he's explaining that he's got all these data centers going on in Texas that will turn around a 48-hour diagnosis and be sending the mRNA vaccine.
	So, I mean, oh my.
	God, it's the worst of the worst.
	I killed you specifically.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's the globalist agenda to depopulate, and he's going right along with it.
	So, yeah, that's why I can't really have a lot of trust in Trump, because he's still on the dark side.
	He's operating on the dark side, even though good things are going on.
	Now, Joaquin, you have a new article just published on the government rag.
	I'll republish it later today.
	Surging stress, anxiety, and polarization are driving America's mental health crisis by design.
	Would you like to elaborate?
	I could read parts of it, whatever you prefer.
	Yeah, I could talk about it.
	Yeah, you know, I've been watching, you know, as a...
	Former clinician and for many years, that was my main profession.
	And then, you know, in the last 11 years now, I've been doing the journalism and the book writing.
	And so I have a pretty good idea of where we're at as a nation with our mental health.
	We have so many crises going on.
	And I get into it in the article with the big crisis was, of course, COVID. I mean, that was their psyops to determine how far they could go with the people going along with it and then actually trying to snuff a lot of people, which it has done.
	There's numbers.
	It's really hard to track exactly the deaths that the debt jab has done.
	I've seen 21 million, but I think it's even higher.
	And worldwide, it's got to be, you know, probably 50 or something like that.
	It's a lot of people.
	They were expecting more of them.
	They wanted more.
	And then their overreach kind of slowed it down, and people weren't going back.
	They went back for one or two, and then they started slowing up on going back for three and four.
	Very few people, actually.
	I think there's a total of five COVID vaccinations, and I believe no one went for the fifth.
	So, yeah, it all petered out.
	But what do they got going now?
	Well, they brought back the Avion flu, and there's...
	Killing all the chickens and they're saying that it's getting into the dairy farms and the cows and all this.
	So we haven't seen the end of it, just like we haven't seen the end of the digital ID either, you know?
	It's all part of their agenda for depopulation.
	So, yeah, and so getting back to this article...
	That got the ball rolling as far as the big stress causing anxiety and depression and really just a sense of not being in control.
	COVID did.
	But they're moving on the economy now.
	We have a house of cards that's ready to collapse completely.
	And there have been so many...
	Bankruptcies in America.
	There have been so many office spaces that are empty.
	There's so many mortgages that have not been paid.
	They're delinquent in rent and mortgage payments and so much homelessness.
	So much crime, violent crime at that.
	And the FBI, they basically...
	Oh, the crime statistics are way down.
	That was a total lie.
	They didn't want people to catch on that the world and the United States in particular are in a major, major crisis.
	So they just, you know, the FBI, I hope Patel really does something.
	I really want these good guys that we think are good.
	To go in there and really clean house.
	But it's a big job, you know, with Tulsi and Robert and Patel.
	So, yeah, the stress level, I mean, people don't have job security.
	You know, they don't have the benefits.
	The pay is going down in America, while obviously the cost of living is, you know, way up.
	The inflation is kicking in now more.
	You know, we're in a real major crisis.
	So a huge driver of mental health crisis right now.
	It's the financial situation for most families.
	It's like four out of five families say that they are very concerned and having trouble saving money.
	Nobody hardly saves money anymore.
	That's how rough the times are getting.
	So yeah, stress and anxiety and depression.
	And of course, depression...
	Comes when a person feels like they are powerless, that there are external circumstances that are driving their stress way up, and they cannot find the coping skills or solutions, alternatives, to be able to bring the stress down.
	And then it's the mind-body connection.
	So if you're feeling powerless...
	You know, you're going to succumb.
	Your body's going to succumb and manifest through dis-ease.
	And so we have a whole nation that's really hurting now.
	And we do not have the infrastructure.
	I mean, while I was in the mental health, I left it in 2011 after 27 years.
	But when I... Was in it still in this century up to 2011. There were all kinds of services that were going out of business that no longer were funded.
	And it hasn't gotten better in recent times.
	I think I put out in the article that there's only 2%.
	This is on the global side of mental health.
	Two percent of any kind of support system goes into mental health.
	In the meantime, you know, we have one in five people that are definitely access one mental disorder and it's rising.
	So, you know, it's like we're totally inadequate.
	And then they think that they can, you know, do this international number calling for mental health services.
	And that's going to do the trick.
	Well, it hasn't.
	If we don't have the infrastructure, then there's not going to be the available help and efforts that are required to take care of a population that is going off the reservation because stress is so bad.
	So, yeah, I felt compelled based on...
	Some recent more developments.
	I am sourcing articles that are right up to date within the last week.
	And that kind of got me inspired to go ahead and do this article.
	Let me read a few paragraphs.
	As a licensed mental health clinician for over a quarter century and authored journalist for more than a decade, I can honestly say...
	That the fragile state of American mental health today is plummeting at an unforeseen rate, the likes of which virtually all Americans alive today have never experienced before.
	With economic forecasts looking ever-bloomier through Western economies, financial stress and job anxiety are running rampant in both America and UK and Europe.
	Causing a mental health crisis in America.
	Anxiety ranks as the number one mental health issue in the workplace.
	This presentation analyzes the multiple layered factors and patterns driving this runaway train wreck of our tenuous mental and emotional well-being.
	This out-of-control roller coaster ride.
	was jump-started by the criminal-lease COVID bio-weapon pandemic in early 2020, and its devastation has only gained more momentum every year since, partially due to the premeditated killing pills caused by the untested experimental poison non-vaccines that were both promoted and mandated for over three years as safe and effective.
	Actual science has only proven the false science to be just the opposite, neither safe nor effective.
	On March 2, 2021, the unelected UN co-conspirator of the World Health Organization ran the headline, COVID-19 pandemic triggers 25% increase in prevalence of anxiety and depression worldwide.
	The genocidal Conspirator's scheme to catastrophically depopulate the human species off a planet of eight million failed to fulfill their high expectations, but exceeded their expectation as a centralized power grab, marking the largest redistribution of wealth in human history.
	A planetary ruler's pandemic hoax and subsequent death jab holocaust still sterilizing, maiming, and killing victims have proven that they can run a lethal mass psyop to deceive unsuspecting Earth inhabitants, manipulating and frightening our human species majority into falsely trusting lying murderers into taking their poison.
	You know, Joaquin, I do agree with all that.
	And of course, the pandemic was generated by, for example, taking what had been 30 million cases of the flu the year before 2019 and having only 2,000 the following year, meaning they redesignated 29,298,000 cases of the flu as COVID. To create a false impression of a pandemic,
	John Rabobard and Edward Hendry have been all over this, where a study that slipped through from John Toblin showed, during the pandemic, there was no increase in the death rate in any age category.
	That only began after the vax.
	And when you look at the ingredients, and now we know, you know, we were.
	We were barraged with claims that you had a moral obligation not to subject your fellow citizens to the risk of transmitting COVID to them when it turns out the vaccine was never even tested for transmission.
	And of course, they knew damn well it had nothing to do with any medical procedure.
	It was a gene alteration therapy designed to weaken our immune system, so whatever.
	Major maladies we may have been fighting off successfully in the past would no longer work.
	You have people dying from all kinds of causes, and it would take a while to sort out that the real major factor was the jab itself.
	You've been all over this, my friend.
	Oh, yeah.
	I wrote extensively.
	I just finished all the pedophilia books, and it was going on strong.
	So that was all I was writing about for a while.
	You know, the evidence was there.
	I was amazed how quickly.
	I mean, I think I started writing it around March of 2020. You know, it was coming out.
	And so, yeah, I mean, I am so amazed because I have family members and they, you know, like a couple of them have taken like three, four.
	You know, I mean...
	You try and tell people that you care about, and one ear out the other.
	Everybody makes up their own mind about the facts, but they don't get the facts.
	Joaquin, I'm in the same boat.
	My family didn't even tell me they were getting a vaccine because they knew I'd be adamantly opposed, so they went ahead and got it without telling me.
	They've even had boosters, too.
	It's just depressing as all hell when you know what's really going on.
	To see people you love and care about run this major risk, seemingly oblivious of what's actually going on, the facts of the matter.
	You want to cause anxiety and distress.
	That's me worrying about my family who took the facts.
	Have any of them suffered from getting the shots, you think?
	It's unclear.
	There are some gastro...
	There's intestinal anomalies that I cannot express my opinion with regard to their causation, lest I'm going to be condemned by the family.
	I mean, they believe it.
	They believe it.
	They believe it.
	And so even with all the evidence, I mean, I looked it up fairly recently, and there's new studies coming out all the time.
	That are just showing it.
	And yet, these people that have gotten the jab fairly consistently are still oblivious.
	I guess they watch the TV. They watch the NBC News and all that.
	They're mainstream, I guess.
	Because if you go off mainstream and go online, it's right in front of you all the time with these studies.
	And they've been at it now for many years.
	Three years now.
	I just don't understand it.
	But, you know, I think also that the bio jab actually does, you know, influence your thinking processes.
	It impairs your thinking and it makes you very quick to go with the fight-flight where if someone disagrees with you, people go crazy.
	They either begin...
	Leveling insults on the person that doesn't speak their same way or they run away.
	It's the fight, flight.
	And I think that's partly due to the jab itself.
	Well, that's very interesting.
	Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.
	I certainly can't offer an argument against it.
	I've just been appalled by the whole experience.
	And, you know, my family is all ready.
	They're ostracizing me over Sandy Hook because they believe the official narrative.
	And they think someone who goes out on a limb about exposing the fraud is in the wrong.
	So, I mean, it's just astonishing.
	There's a lot of brainwashed people out there, friends and family alike, that they just don't get it.
	It's just incredible to me that they...
	They don't have the open enough mind to do a little discernment.
	It is astonishing, and I am going to open the calling line to speak with Joaquin and me about any of these issues right after the break, but I'm giving the number now, 608-957-8727, 608-957-8727.
	You're welcome to call in and join the conversation with Joaquin and me.
	Russ had a commitment that didn't allow him to stay for the duration.
	It's always great to have him here.
	And Joaquin, I just enjoy our Wednesdays immensely.
	Yeah, I always have.
	When Victor was with us, I liked it, too.
	But, yeah, it's even better, though, without him, obviously.
	Well, you know, I sought to reconcile, but he wasn't having it.
	I think he had a mission, and it was inconsistent with hours of exposing falsehoods and revealing truths that he wanted to...
	Sabotage our efforts.
	I'm forced to that conclusion, Joaquin, that he is there as a provocateur and a saboteur in the way he's gone about.
	I'm inclined to agree with you.
	I think he's got some kind of backing that's putting him up to this.
	He gets probably money from them or something.
	I don't know, but it's pretty bizarre.
	The way he turned on us.
	Because while he was on the program, he really did contribute.
	He has a pretty good knowledge of a lot of things.
	I was kind of shocked by how he behaved.
	Anyway, we don't need to go there.
	The fact is...
	The fact is that I sought the correct questions.
	Standby.
	I sought the correct false impressions that it was over his attack on the Jews.
	It had to do with his attack on Brian.
	Claiming Brian was a coward when Brian is the opposite.
	Brian, do you want to mute until I get you on here?
	We got two dollars here, but you want to mute me until I get you on.
	We'll be doing that momentarily.
	So the beat goes on, alas, I mean, I cannot believe I even complained to BitChute about his form of harassment because, I mean, he must have 20 of these different videos attacking him.
	They have no substance whatsoever.
	And it's just, it's a propaganda effort.
	And he seems to keep recycling them.
	It's pretty amazing to me that, I mean, because some of them are like two months old and he just puts it, keeps it out.
	So it keeps coming out.
	It's real weird.
	And then, you know, that's one thing I haven't even done is look at all the bots and the, you know, trashy comments.
	You know, I don't even go there.
	It's a waste of effort or time to bother with.
	Well, we've already got several callers here standing by.
	Rather fascinating.
	Maybe I'll start bringing them in early.
	Let's see.
	I think 816 went first.
	Is that you, Brian?
	816, join the conversation.
	Yeah, can you hear me now?
	I was on mute, so anyway.
	No, that was good, Brian.
	I wanted you on mute.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Kevin Barrett, what you don't realize is he's another non-player character, okay?
	And they're the light, and they'll have all this stuff that sounds good, but then you'll try and tell them something.
	Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian.
	Brian, hold that thought.
	I want to hear it.
	We got a break.
	We'll be right back with Brian.
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	Ryan, please continue with your thoughts about Kevin.
	Kevin.
	He's a non-player character.
	Okay?
	They're not of the light.
	They're here to kind of back up this illusion of crap we live in.
	They'll have some good thoughts, but then there will be things that you just, no matter what you say, what you show them, they can't be convinced.
	Okay?
	He's a classic of that.
	You may not appreciate how close we are.
	There's even a book by Mike Palachuk and Chuck Ravery about the two of us called White Rose Blooms in Wisconsin about Jim Fetzer and Gavin Barrett.
	And, I mean, on the back, Mike writes, I see Jim Fetzer and Gavin Barrett as modern-day incarnations of Ben Franklin and John Adams, respectively.
	Neither man has a secret agenda to do what they do except to educate people.
	And ring the warning bell, as did Paul Revere, Mike Belichick.
	He's a wonderful guy.
	I mean, this is a super book.
	I mean, I love the book.
	It just surprises me, you know, about Kevin being seemingly obtuse.
	Can it be a deliberate posture, Joaquin?
	He just wants to protect himself from being banned to stay on the air?
	He's right here on Revolution Radio 2. In fact, I think his show is on Studio A while mine is here on Studio B at the same time, right now.
	Yeah, it could be something to protect himself.
	I'm sure that he's, you know, being a Muslim and defending the, quote, Muslim terrorists, you know, all of this, he must have caught a lot of flack for that.
	I think he's probably a little bit, you know, gun-shy of what you've kind of gone through, and so he's blind.
	Let's see, 864. Join the conversation, 864, please.
	Yeah, Jim, I just have kind of a big question, actually two of them, but the first one is...
	I wonder why the delay in declaring Israeli Jews international terrorists?
	How come that's been delayed?
	How come they haven't been declared international terrorists yet?
	Well, it's a whole race.
	I mean, you know, you need a specific group.
	I think it would have to be more specific than that.
	How about Zionist Jews?
	Zionist Jews?
	I don't know if it's going to happen.
	They're in such positions of influence to preclude it.
	Joaquin, do you have thoughts about this?
	Yeah, it just shows you how much power that Israel has.
	I mean, obviously, they have been the terrorists of the Middle East for as long as they've been around.
	You know, 1947 and 1948, they killed a million.
	You know, I mean, it's just...
	On and on.
	All that time.
	And they've been the terrorists.
	And the aggressors have not been the Muslims.
	But, you know, it shows you the power structure of who runs the world, really.
	You had a second question or comment, Mike?
	Yeah, I think...
	Joseph Ibarra, the murderer of Lakeland Riley down in Georgia.
	I wonder what his demise is going to be.
	Are they going to take care of him for the next 30 years of his life in jail?
	Are they going to deport him?
	Or are they going to put him in front of a firing squad the next 30 days, which is exactly where he needs to go?
	We're looking for legal or political nonsense.
	We're looking for justice.
	That's why I want to see him in front of a firing squad.
	I don't think that...
	Georgia uses a firing squad.
	In fact, I don't think any state in the union does.
	What they can do, Jim, is they can go and transport them up to South Carolina because here in about another week, one is going to be executed with firing squad.
	That's fascinating, Joaquin, your thoughts.
	What do you think about that, Joaquin?
	Yeah, I didn't know any states still did firing squads.
	That is pretty amazing.
	Most of them are lethal injections, I guess, now.
	But I'm not really familiar with the case that the gentleman cited in Georgia.
	I'm not sure about that.
	I don't know about it.
	Yeah, that was a brutal beating murder, strangulation, rape, you know, of a young woman, very talented.
	She was about 26, wasn't she, Mike, as I recall?
	But she was very talented and brutally assaulted by the illegal.
	Her cell phone had 17 minutes of her murder on it, and it's quite disturbing.
	I also have another way, if everybody here in the States...
	District attorneys in all the states are listening to this.
	There's a way to really save a lot of money in executions, and that's simply to go ahead and drop off the people who have committed these crimes at the local veterinarians and pick them up in about another hour.
	It only takes about one shot, and they're done on a stainless steel table.
	That's it.
	Just pick them up in an hour, and that's the end of it.
	You're talking about...
	Heart stoppage, medication, heart stoppage, medication.
	You leave it up to the veterinarian to take care of it real quick.
	Look at the number of horses that are vaccinated, that are killed every damn year, too.
	Having to be euthanized.
	Yeah, this is a political joke that they play back and forth.
	We found out, too, that down here in some of the states where the murders are being taken.
	With racial situations where the blacks aren't white, the blacks are told to flunk their IQ test so they wouldn't get the death penalty.
	That's what we're finding out.
	Interesting.
	Thanks for that.
	513. Frank, is that you?
	Join the conversation, 513. It's Patrice in Ohio.
	Patrice, please.
	Yes, join.
	Well, I have...
	A couple of things.
	First of all, when it comes to your conflict with Victor, I was there watching and listening live, and I think the issue is that Victor was allowed to say, it's the Jews, it's the Jews, it's the Jews.
	You all Basically kind of encouraged that.
	I even called in, I believe it was December 18th, and brought up my evilist suggestion, where I don't agree that it's all the Jews.
	I think it's just evil.
	I think you can't go there with saying it's Jewish.
	And I think you can go there and generalize if you say it's the evilest.
	Victor shot my opinion down.
	And Joaquin, you went along with what he said.
	You had no rebuttal or had no gauging of, well, maybe it isn't all the Jews.
	Maybe it's blah, blah, blah.
	And you let it stand.
	And then that was...
	I'm not so sure about that.
	I have confronted him on the air, and then I also confronted him...
	Let Matrice finish, and then we'll respond.
	Go ahead, Matrice.
	So, and that was after the Brian episode, okay?
	So, Victor was still on, and then shortly after that...
	The next thing we know as an audience, you know, Victor's gone and Brian's back on.
	And we were all there to hear and see how that went down.
	And no one as an audience understands what the hell happened between one show to the next.
	Well, let me explain.
	Let me explain, Patrice.
	The 17th of December was a show where Brian took exception because he doesn't believe it's the Jews is sufficiently discriminating of non-Jews.
	We frequently talked about Jews against genocide who occupied Grand Central Station.
	We have often talked about Jews who are opposed to what Israel is doing to the Palestinians.
	Now, I was...
	Tolerant, perhaps overly, of Victor's rhetorical style, because it was such a novelty to have the Jewish issue on the public platform that I was willing to go along with it for a while.
	Now, in January, about the 15th, I discovered Victor was posting videos attacking Brian is a coward for having, you know, left the show.
	When, in fact, it was a protest.
	You called him a coward on that show live with you two guys there, and you never...
	Well, I... Patrice, there's a lot going on at the time, okay?
	We didn't catch all of it.
	We didn't appreciate all of it.
	We're doing what we can to make amends.
	But the point is, when I caught up with him posting videos accusing Brian as a coward, and I know Brian very well.
	He's anything but.
	He's a man of immense integrity.
	He's done sensational work on a whole host of issues, which, in my opinion, Victor has not, such as the top shooting in Buffalo, New York, Uvalde, Nashville, not to mention Sandy Hook.
	He's done two of the most important affidavits in the history of the law, legal cases on Sandy Hook.
	I know because he did them for me.
	Now, once I saw he was attacking Brian as a coward, I wouldn't tolerate.
	I said, Victor, If you'll stop attacking Brian as a coward, perhaps we can work this out.
	And he wrote back and said, well, no, he had to defend himself and Bobo and a bunch of other nonsense, Patrice.
	And I tell you, Joaquin and I... He feels that he would not avail the opportunity in an open forum to debate you.
	Okay?
	And because of that, he feels that you've been underhanded.
	And I will agree, I don't really care for his approach as attacking you.
	I think two rights don't make a wrong.
	I think if you are adults, you should all be able to have these discussions and figure it out, because it is dividing the truth.
	Patrice, we've made several overtures to try to work this out, and he has refused every one.
	And I don't know what you're thinking.
	We should have a show where we bring...
	No, no.
	His response is that that isn't true.
	So what if?
	Well, it is true.
	It is true, Patrice.
	I got the damn emails that show it all.
	He's just lying.
	I'm saying put it out there like you do live and say, hey, come join us.
	Let's do the Skype.
	Let's move it on.
	Let's agree to disagree or discuss this.
	Patrice, you're not listening to me.
	We made several overtures to try this work out.
	It was all rebuffed.
	He's gone on this massive campaign.
	He's got over 20 videos of recycling old stuff where he's simply trying to smear me and Joaquin and Brian and Ross.
	I mean, it's just disgusting.
	Have you looked at what he's been doing?
	Oh, I see.
	I think it's a lot of it is stupid.
	It's just, it's immature.
	But I think there's two wrongs don't make a right.
	I feel like you didn't give him the open forum.
	And Joaquin, if anybody, from my understanding, sold him out, it was you because you knew the day before he was going to get shit-canned and you didn't bother to tell him.
	What?
	And he says, and he's shown an email.
	Patrice, I don't know what you're talking about.
	I'm the guy who decides who appears on the show, not Joaquin.
	And Joaquin has been very sensitive about all this.
	The guy's a master diplomat.
	He's far more diplomatic than am I. It's when I discovered that this guy had wandered far off the reservation, I said, to hell with that.
	I made a gesture to try to reconcile.
	He wouldn't have it.
	He said he would not cease attacking Brian.
	And I will not tolerate that.
	I'm not going to give it any support.
	And it may be, you know, other measures have to be taken.
	I don't know, legal, whatever, whatever, whatever.
	I mean, it's just, I think he's become a tall Patrice.
	Patrice, I'm giving you time to say your piece.
	You give me time to say mine.
	I think he's a waste.
	He's a charlatan.
	He's a phony.
	He's a fraud.
	I don't want to have anything to do with him.
	Joaquin, your thoughts?
	Well, I had feelings also similar to what Brian took a stand on.
	And then I wrote you telling you about those feelings.
	You did not really respond, and it was like three weeks or so later that you then inadvertently, I know, under pressure and all that, I don't hold it against you, but without my consent, you ended up reading what I had written about...
	Yeah, you asked me at the time whether you ought to send it to him, and I hesitated because I wasn't sure the time was right, but I thought your analysis was spot on.
	Right.
	Well, the last comment that I made in the email to you was, if you think it would be better if I confront Victor, let me know.
	So I was ready to, but I'll tell you, I would rather work differences out when it gets petty and name-calling and stuff.
	It's better to work it out away from the camera.
	Rather than, you know, have a free-for-all who the world knows, you know?
	That's the way I work.
	And that's the way adults work.
	They don't go behind people's back.
	And I did not go behind anybody's back.
	That is not my style.
	That's my style, you know?
	So I don't do that.
	So, yeah.
	But anyway, he ran with it.
	We tried to both make a little bit of a concession so that he would be willing to at least be civil about it, and he wasn't.
	He went on the attack, and he's been on the attack ever since.
	And I don't think anybody's even listening to him at this point because he's a one-track wrecker.
	Matrice, let me get another caller in here, and then we'll come back.
	949, join the conversation, area code 949. Good morning, good afternoon.
	I want to ask a couple questions to you guys.
	Does anyone, particularly Jim and Joaquin, since they're on the call, do you guys know any Jews really well that you can have a conversation with them and they can offer you insight into how the Jewish community thinks about Zionism?
	Oh, you mean that we could now today?
	Have a conversation of that kind.
	Do you have a Jewish friend who confides in you the truth about organized Jewry and international Zionism and their end goals?
	We had one on the show, Henry McCow.
	Yeah, Henry.
	I listened to that interview with Henry McCow, and I really enjoyed it, and I appreciate Henry McCow.
	I'll answer that question on my own behalf.
	I do.
	One who's very intelligent, who grew up in a synagogue, speaks, reads, and writes Hebrew, knows the Torah, knows the Talmud.
	And what he told me was this.
	I'm the only one.
	They're all Zionists.
	He has shamed his family, his extended family.
	He has siblings that won't talk to him.
	Okay?
	He loves them.
	He professes to me that the Abrahamic religions are all controlled by the Jews.
	Okay?
	But the bottom line is that he said they're all Zionist.
	And I can't confirm that from my own experiences that they're all Zionist.
	I've met some that are very radical, who do promote the Zionism.
	And then I've met those that don't bring it up or mention it.
	And are quite civil and humble and nice to be around.
	But when push comes to shove, they're going to side with their people.
	Well, there's a lot of scholarly work done on Jewish group strategy as a way in which they tend to go here to promote the interests of the Jews, which by Kevin MacDonald, I highly recommend it.
	I have had numerous Jewish friends.
	My best friend in college, Michael Boardman, was a Jew.
	One of my best friends in Lexington, Kentucky, where I was for seven years an assistant professor.
	Rick White was a Jew.
	The head of my department when I was hired with full professor with tenure at Duluth.
	Lauren Lomansky was a Jew.
	You got Max Blumenthal.
	On the internet and a couple of others who are very, very astute.
	I think Jeffrey Sachs turns out to be a Jew.
	These are guys who are very astute in critiquing the Zionist movement and they don't buy it.
	So, I mean, just as a point of logic, the generalization is refuted by counterexamples and there are a couple of counterexamples.
	But I appreciate your making the pitch and suggesting that there are sources inside the community who suggest that all Jews are Zionists.
	I have never believed that.
	In fact, most of my life I never really thought about the distinction between Judaism and Zionism.
	It wasn't until I became politically active and gave my first political speech in 2008 that I even began.
	Drawing those distinctions.
	So you can say I'm kind of late to the party, because 2008 is pretty recent, all things considered, that I have 84 years behind me.
	But I think that, notwithstanding your inside source, that there's evidence to contradict it.
	Joaquin, your thoughts?
	Yeah, I agree.
	They're not all the same on that particular stand.
	As a matter of fact, there are Orthodox Jews that are very much against Zionism, and they've been very outspoken and done demonstrations and stuff.
	You know, I've always maintained that you cannot stereotype any single group because there's diversity in every group.
	So, yeah, I don't buy it.
	That doesn't fly with me.
	That's a cheap...
	Give me your experience, but that doesn't mean that they're all the same that way.
	Mike, stereotyping is an obvious fallacy.
	I mean, how can you endorse it?
	I have a Jewish born president ever since Franklin Downer wrote about every single one of them was born from Mother's New.
	If you're born from Mother's New, you're considered Jewish always, no matter what.
	And what person walking this earth would ever want to be a Jew with their reputation?
	You tell me.
	How rotten.
	These people, they're just, they're so wicked.
	Some would suggest that's a bit of an exaggeration.
	I mean, look, I want to get back to Patrice because she has an ax to grind here.
	She thinks we're being unfair to Victor Hugo, whereas we think he's being...
	I called in.
	I asked a question.
	I want to make one more comment, and it's about Victor.
	I've watched Victor and Joaquin do web conference calls, and I really think it's disrespectful of Victor to treat Joaquin, as well as you, Jim, and Ross.
	But I've received Joaquin's emails, and I've watched some of the interactions that the two of them have done and recorded video calls.
	And I think Victor has...
	No regard for Joaquin.
	It's totally disrespectful.
	And he's really hurting all of us in this movement.
	You know, he's distracting.
	He's creating a chasm.
	And I just don't think it's cool what he's doing.
	That's it.
	Thank you.
	Cruel, cruel.
	I think that was excellent.
	I agree with that.
	I very much appreciate your expressing that view.
	Patrice clearly has a different take.
	So, Patrice, go ahead.
	I agreed with you when I told you that I didn't like how Victor was responding either.
	I don't think...
	And I don't have a dog in the fight other than the truth.
	But I was just saying, as an audience viewer, it's like, what the hell happened?
	We see you aloud.
	Please let me finish.
	We see you allow all this.
	He called him a coward right while you guys were there.
	If you look at the video, you almost seem disinterested in what he has to say.
	There's no defending.
	And you allowed it.
	And that is...
	So the victor is the kind of guy who thinks that, oh, I'm okay.
	Everybody's cool with what I'm saying.
	The trees.
	When he gets shitcanned from the show, he feels as though he was not availed the same opportunity that Brian was to defend himself and the whole thing.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Yeah, and frankly, I don't give a damn what Victor Hugo thinks.
	He's been so abusive.
	He's been so obnoxious.
	He's been so...
	Over the top.
	He's been so disgusting and irresponsible.
	I don't give a damn what he thinks.
	And Patrice, Patrice, listen to me.
	Patrice, he's not going to apologize.
	We've had a lot of correspondence with this guy behind the scenes, Patrice, that we're not sharing with you for crying out loud.
	You're just going off the edge here.
	This is ridiculous.
	Patrice, I'm trying to respond to your concern.
	If I didn't nail him right at the time, I was hoping Brian would stay.
	I mean, I was kind of taken aback by Brian's response at the time, though.
	I think it was utterly rational, well-founded, morally, ethically, and it took me a while to realize that Victor Hugo was off the wall, utterly irresponsible, and acting as a...
	Provocateur and a saboteur, which is my considered opinion to this day.
	Let me bring back Brian, who often has rather sage observation.
	Brian, come back.
	Your thoughts.
	I think we're too late.
	Yeah.
	Well, thank you all for calling, and every one of you.
	Much appreciated.
	Meanwhile, spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, and people you love and care about, because...
	We do not know how much time we have left.
	So I gotta say, I think, Trump has given us more time.

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