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The Raw Deal (19 February 2025) "The Fearsome Threesome" with Russ Winter and Joachim Hagopian

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	please This is Jim Fetcher, your host on The Raw Deal, right here on Revolution Radio Studio B, this 18th of February, 2025, joined by Russ Winter and Joaquin Agobian.
	This is a fearsome threesome addition, we could call it.
	I had an uncle growing up who played in a band that called themselves a Firehouse 5 plus 2. So I suppose we could also call ourselves a fearsome whoresome minus one.
	In any case, we got a lot of very significant developments to share with you today.
	I want to begin with, well, we're going to turn to Joaquin's excellent piece about it momentarily.
	But let me begin with U.S. and Russia.
	Proposing a peace plan laying the groundwork for cooperation in Rihad.
	This is all very, very positive.
	U.S. and Russian officials held diplomatic talks in Saudi Arabia without any Ukrainian official press on Tuesday.
	The group led by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and his Russian counterpart.
	Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who is by far the world's most experienced and qualified diplomat, are seeking terms for a peace agreement in Ukraine, as well as negotiating a potential meeting between President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
	They have proposed a framework that could involve a ceasefire elections in Ukraine, followed by the signing of a peace agreement.
	State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce also confirmed that Rubio's team agreed to lay the groundwork for cooperation with Russia on various issues in addition to Ukraine.
	They also agreed to appoint high-level teams to begin working on a path to end the conflict in Ukraine.
	All that, of course, is excellent.
	Here's more from antiwar.com.
	Following a high-level meeting between U.S. and Russian officials, the State Department said Washington and Moscow will begin taking steps to normalize diplomatic relations between the two superpowers.
	U.S.-Russian diplomacy sank during the first Trump admin and Biden cut nearly all contact with Russia after the invasion of Ukraine.
	Secretary of State Marco Rubio, National Security Advisor Mike Walsh, Middle East Enploy Steve Witkoff.
	And it's interesting that Witkoff was designated to deal with the Israeli-Gaza situation, that he be included, met with a Russian delegation led by Foreign Minister Sergi Lavrov Tuesday during a press conference after the meeting.
	Rubio said the parties agreed on four points.
	First, we're going to work.
	We're going to appoint our teams respectively to work very quickly to reestablish the functionality of our respective missions in Washington and in Moscow.
	For us to be able to continue to move down this road, we need to have diplomatic facilities that are operating and functioning normally.
	U.S. and Russian ties have declined over the past decade.
	Rubio claimed Trump is uniquely equipped with this task, however.
	During his first admin, Washington significantly set back its diplomatic relation with Russia, which I regarded as a travesty.
	Let's already comment on these couple of developments first.
	Russ, your thoughts?
	Well, there's a tweet that was released by Trump, a little while ago, he must have gotten some back-channel stuff from Zelensky that he didn't like.
	So after this meeting, I think Zelensky was acting out or something.
	Did you see the tweet that he sent out?
	Go ahead, tell us about it.
	I'll read it to you.
	Yeah.
	Donald Trump.
	Think of it.
	A modestly successful comedian.
	A fellow Dormier Zelensky talked the United States of America into spending $350 billion to go into a war that couldn't be won, that never had to start, but a war that he, without the U.S. and Trump, will never be able to settle.
	The United States has spent $200 billion more than Europe, and Europe's money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back.
	Why didn't sleepy Joe Biden demand equalization in that this war is far more important to Europe than it is to us?
	We have a big, beautiful ocean as a separation.
	On top of this, Zelensky admits that half the money we sent him is missing.
	He refuses to have election.
	He's very low in Ukrainian polls.
	The only thing he was good at was playing Biden like a fiddle, a dictator without elections.
	Zelensky better move fast or he's not going to have a country left.
	In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end of the war with Russia, something I'll admit only Trump and the Trump administration can do.
	Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring peace, and Zelensky probably wants to keep the gravy train going.
	I love Ukraine, but Zelensky has done a terrible job.
	His country is shattered and millions have unnecessarily died, and so it continues.
	Thank goodness.
	And he's also called, of course, for Ukraine to hold elections, because Zelensky isn't the legitimate president.
	His term expired, what, in May?
	I mean, it's just...
	Totally scorched him there.
	Totally scorched him.
	Yeah, very good.
	So the question I got, who's going to leave Ukraine?
	Because obviously Zelensky's on his way out.
	Richly deserved.
	Joaquin, your expansive comments.
	I think Poroshenko, the guy that was in there before, is kind of like making some moves.
	However, Zelensky knows that his days are numbered.
	And so he's trying to sabotage any kind of competitors from replacing him.
	So it'll be interesting.
	Yeah, the developments in the last couple of days are fantastic.
	It looks like Ukraine war will be settled and end, and there will be no more loss of life.
	It has been carnal damage, really on both sides, but with over a million Ukrainians and mostly all soldiers dead, it's just carnage all over it.
	We've got to get past it.
	And so it looks like it's going to happen.
	So I really applaud Trump and team for what they're doing now in finally opening up bilateral communications and relations with Russia.
	And Lavrov, as you mentioned, he is the best diplomat in the world.
	Everything that he says is always very calm and yet very fair-minded.
	I think the Russian government has been stand-up as far as their ethics.
	So, yeah, I'm very, very hopeful that we can get this done.
	You know, I think Trump set the date of April 20th.
	You know, he's trying to frame it so he can get it done by Easter.
	So, it looks like both sides are very willing and they're moving forward.
	So, wow.
	Yeah.
	Wow, I agree.
	Two months, yeah.
	I mean, I can see this settled.
	And Zelensky, get out of the way.
	You're irrelevant.
	Yeah.
	He has, of course.
	In Europe, you know, look at how they're behaving.
	You know, they want war.
	Well, Zelensky made two really stupid observations up late.
	First, he said, the EU needs its own army, as though...
	NATO did not exist.
	I mean, what the hell does he think NATO is?
	Plus, he said, they need to send 200,000 troops to defend Ukraine.
	Give me a break.
	He's lost already a million Ukrainian troops.
	Now he wants to add 200,000 more European because Russia will wipe them out.
	I mean, Joaquin...
	Trump's not going to pay for it.
	He's not going to offer a dime for any of this kind of stuff.
	Yes.
	You know, if Europe wants to do it, you know, Europe is way behind on their NATO contributions.
	There's like 17 countries that hardly even contribute.
	Without the United States, they can't do a thing.
	So he's pulling that back as well.
	But, you know, somehow he's got to preserve Ukraine as a country.
	Because you don't want Russia ruling over...
	Western Ukraine.
	They're Ukrainian nationalists.
	They don't like Russians.
	It'll be a hornet's nest for them.
	But I think that probably Putin and Lavrov know that and know that there's nothing to be gained from going too far west of the Dnieper River.
	They're not interested in the Galicia part, the western part next to Poland.
	And Poles have always hated the Russians going back to World War II and all that.
	So, yeah, I think it's going to be settled.
	The Russian annexed territories are going to retain in Russian hands with the ethnic Russians that live there.
	Duh, you know.
	So, yeah, it's all good as far as I'm concerned, moving forward.
	Trump did say one thing that's kind of like, whoa.
	He was saying, oh, yeah, I think it's fine if NATO brings in its troops as, quote, peacekeepers into Ukraine.
	It is not fine, and it's never been fine with the Russians.
	They've made that point from the very get-go.
	You know, they want absolute neutrality, not NATO. So Trump kind of stepped on his own foot on that one, but hopefully that will get resolved with the negotiations.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Russia's going to repudiate that 100%.
	They already have.
	In fact, there are four aspects of Putin's position.
	Number one, retaining all the territories.
	They actually control about 20% of Ukraine, including the Donbass, a couple of other obelisks, and, of course, Crimea.
	Number two, no NATO ever for Ukraine, as you observed, must be completely neutral, absolutely.
	Plus, demilitarization of Ukraine and denazification.
	Now, that's going to be...
	The hardest part is I see it.
	Ross?
	Yeah, what does that even mean, denazification?
	That almost sort of sounds like just a Russian puppet in there.
	And after fighting this war, the Ukrainians aren't going to stand for that.
	And they're not going to really stand for being called Nazis either.
	Well, I don't know.
	I think they've earned it.
	What it is is Ukrainian nationalism.
	It's very real, and you have to respect that.
	And I don't know how they're going to cross that bridge.
	Yeah, maybe Trump can pull it off, because maybe he respects Ukrainian nationalism and can take a stand there.
	I don't know.
	But that's going to be this idea of calling Nazis.
	That just could be wartime and peace, and that could change.
	But who's going to run the Ukraine?
	Who's going to replace Zelensky?
	Zelensky's on his way out.
	There's got to be a transition to a more, like you said, neutral party.
	Joaquin, were you saying Koschenko is making moves?
	I mean, he was a former president.
	Yeah, Poroschenko is doing that, but there also is Zelushny, General Zelushny, who's actually been very popular with Ukrainians.
	So he could step in.
	He's right now, I believe, the UK ambassador for Ukraine, but I think Zelushny, General Zelushny might...
	Also, probably even a better candidate to take over.
	How great is that?
	They've got two strong potential replacements.
	But of course, they need an election.
	Zelensky's popularity is down to 4%.
	4%.
	What a fraud!
	And I believe it.
	But the New York Times, this just shows how distorted the New York Times is.
	50%.
	They corrected him and said, no, it's actually 50%, which is total bullshit.
	Ridiculous!
	Ross.
	I don't know where he gets the 4%, but I don't think Trzyzewski's very popular.
	He's kind of run out of string.
	It's just that they're centering in on the amount of rifting that they've done, and Trump is just basically accusing him.
	Zelensky is stealing the money.
	Those are pretty big accusations.
	He's got to go.
	Zelensky's finished.
	Something came back in the last two days that pissed Trump off on the back channel side.
	And he really moved quickly on that.
	Now let's see what he does with the Europeans.
	The Europeans seem to be kind of progressing carefully.
	Just kind of seeing how this develops.
	Walking is a very nice piece published on my blog and at the government rag.
	Trump changing war dynamics for Ukraine.
	Peace or more conflict.
	I think we're agreed.
	It does look like peace.
	And I think we're all in awe of what Trump's able to manage here in this couple of weeks.
	He's only been in office two weeks for crying out loud.
	Two weeks what?
	Tomorrow or the day after?
	Tomorrow?
	I mean, a month?
	Tomorrow or the day after?
	How absurd is that, man?
	Regarding U.S. movement to disengage from the long-lost cause of the proxy war in Ukraine, unlike four years of Biden, President Donald Trump is now at least talking to Russian President Putin.
	Wednesday, February 12th.
	Trump held a 90-minute phone conversation with Putin discussing a peace resolution.
	It's the first conversation between a U.S. president and the Russian president in three years.
	After the conversation on his true social, Trump wrote, and among other things, the two discussed, the great benefit that we will Sunday have in working together.
	In the meantime...
	A team of U.S. representatives led by Vice President J.D. Vance met last Friday, February 14, with a Russian counterpart at the Munich Security Conference to further dialogue on ways to end the Ukraine conflict.
	Apparently, the Wall Street Journal misquoted Vance in a February 13 article claiming Vance threatened Russia with more economic sanctions.
	That have only boomeranged in the past, and even U.S. military action if Vladimir Putin refused to end the war this year.
	Vance later clarified he only emphasized all options were open, not that U.S. soldiers would be on the ground fighting the Russians.
	Leave it to the Wall Street Journal to twist words into hyperbolic aggression to escalate to conflict.
	I was appalled by that story when it appeared, Joaquin.
	I thought it was a complete reversion to Biden-esque diplomacy or pseudo-diplomacy or non-diplomacy or absurdity.
	Your further thoughts?
	Yeah, I was really upset by that because it looked like we were going backwards again, you know?
	But leave it, like I say, to these brags that are...
	They get paid well for lying.
	The New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, all of them.
	They're paid liars.
	That's all they do is propaganda.
	Bad, false propaganda.
	So, yeah, I was very, very brought back to my senses, feeling like, yeah, we're on track when finally Vance spoke up and said, wait a minute, you distorted what I had said.
	So that was good.
	You know, speaking of fans, he gave a talk at the Munich Security Council about cascading Europe for over-censoring the public and constraining freedom of speech, which was wonderful in its sentiment, but contradicted by the moves right here in the U.S. to censor and even deport.
	Pro-Palestinian anti-genocide students, for example.
	I mean, I couldn't believe the degree of hypocrisy involved there.
	Russ?
	The thing is, I'm glad Lance did that because Europe is really getting bad, especially Germany.
	It's just like awful over here.
	They're arresting people for just writing stuff on the internet.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	Yeah, it's just really draconian.
	And they're claiming that the reason for it is to prevent another Holocaust.
	So they're really doing big mental stretches to justify their citizenship.
	The thing about all this misinformation from the media is that Trump is very effective with the Twitters.
	So if he sees something, it's bullshit.
	You'll get on Twitter and call it out immediately.
	And that's amazing, you know, to be able to use Twitter that way.
	Biden wouldn't do it.
	So if he wants to call it out as bullshit, boom, there's Twitter.
	Yeah, having his own true social account makes a difference.
	But you see, he's always been a genius at communication and public relations.
	The guy is...
	Unparalleled in the history of the United States.
	We've never had a politician so able to connect with the American people as Donald Trump.
	Joaquin, your thoughts.
	Yeah, I have to give the guy credit.
	I have a lot of reservations that we've talked about often.
	But, you know, he's done some good things so far in his first month.
	So, I give him credit.
	I'm not totally against him.
	But I do have those reservations that we'll probably get into in the next hour or so.
	Yeah, no doubt about it, of course.
	Were there any other points from your article that you'd like to emphasize while we're here?
	No, not really.
	I mean, I think everybody's on board to really get the job done.
	Russia wants peace.
	I mean, they have not wanted this war from the very get-go.
	And the fact that the Western press has always made it like they are the unprovoked invaders, you know?
	I mean, that's so false.
	You know, it goes back.
	I mean, you can go back to the 1991 lie that, what, it was James Baker, the H.W. Secretary of State.
	Right.
	You know, not one inch eastward will NATO go.
	And then a few years later, suddenly there's 16 countries right up to Russia's border.
	So, yeah, and then we have the Minsk Accord, you know, those agreements that Angela Merkel kind of arranged.
	All along, she knew they were going to deceive Putin.
	And they did, you know, because, yes, that war kept going.
	The, quote, civil war between the ethnic Russians of the Donbas region versus the Madan Nazis from Ukraine.
	You know, and they did a ceasefire, but it never happened.
	And it allowed them to regroup, to train, arm, finance, the whole bit, so more ethnic Russians died.
	You know, so, yeah.
	And I make my point at the very end, saying, you know, because the spokesman for the Kremlin, he mentioned, yeah, we can't really trust Ukraine because they go back on their work.
	And my final paragraph of that article is to say, well, so does the United States.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Every single move you make with the United States because they are the most notorious deceivers and backstabbers when it comes to signing treaties.
	Let me read the last few paragraphs.
	Light at the end of the tunnel.
	Last week, Trump once again took to blaming the Ukrainian debacle on his brain-dead predecessor.
	What he failed to mention, though, is throughout Trump's first term in office, he continued to arm, finance, and train Ukraine's military to become bigger and stronger than the army of every single NATO member in Europe.
	Trump also did nothing to stop the Pentagon's two dozen covertly installed bioweapon labs operating in Ukraine that Russia stopped.
	Often lying full of himself showman while conveniently omitting inconvenient facts from all of his braggadocio blowhard posts, Trump did correctly assert.
	I don't see any way that a country in Russia's position could allow them, Ukrainians, to join NATO. I don't see that happening.
	And long before President Vladimir Putin, Russia was very strong on the fact.
	I believe that's the reason the war started, because Biden went out and said they could join NATO, and he shouldn't have said that.
	On Sunday, February 16th, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, words ring true, telling the Russian media, that country, Ukraine, cannot really answer for its words.
	Each time it is necessary to make a certain adjustment when negotiating with them, For their deficit of sovereignty and the deficit of trust in them, which will not go anywhere.
	But this problem with Ukraine's lack of credibility to trust also extends to the United States as well.
	The infamous promise uttered by U.S. Secretary of State James Baker after behest of President George H.W. Bush in 1991 to the Soviet Union's last premier, Mikhail Gorbachev, Wasn't it actually Reagan that the U.S. would not move NATO one inch eastward is a lie for the ages.
	Then the Victoria Nuland-led U.S. coup in Kiev in February 2014, overthrowing the then-democratically elected Ukrainian president, was what started this Ukraine conflict, further compounded by the...
	2014-15 Minsk Agreements.
	The U.S. sent German Chancellor Angela Merkel to deceitfully con Putin into signing the Donbass Truce, slowly to enable the U.S. NATO to bide time financing, arming, and train Ukraine's neo-Nazi military to wage bloody civil war against the ethnic Russian population residing in the Donbass region.
	The U.S. Empire of lies.
	has an horrendous track record for cutthroat deadly deception, and good knows this fact all too well.
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	Well, there's more we could add about Ukraine, Russia, and the U.S. Zelensky says Ukraine would not recognize upcoming and the U.S. Zelensky says Ukraine would not recognize upcoming U.S.-Russia talks when it's going to be a Well, that's a figment from the past, his imagination, his self-delusion.
	Here we have antiwar.com at the end of the war.
	Zelensky is confronted with reality, namely that he's lost.
	Yep, we have Lindsey Graham, who won't give up the Ukraine-NATO ghost.
	I mean, this is ludicrous.
	This is a guy who, in my opinion, has been a very negative, very destructive force in the United States Senate.
	Here's a bit of it from responsible statecraft.
	Like others who can't see the new realities coming down Broadway, he wants to promise membership as part of a peace settlement.
	For bonus.
	Of a maximalist battlefield program in Ukraine on both sides of the Atlantic are now somewhere between bargaining and depression in the five stages of grief.
	Concurrent statement by President Trump, Secretary of Defense Hegseth and Vice President Vance have upended the Biden-era Ukraine consensus in the most fundamental ways.
	The White House has signaled its readiness to take Ukraine's NATO membership off the table, thereby renouncing the open-door membership policy canonized by former Secretary of State Antony Blinken and others in the previous administration thereby renouncing the open-door membership policy canonized by former Secretary of State Antony Blinken and others in the previous
	Trump dismissed as ludicrous the idea, repeated at the highest levels by Biden-admined officials, that Russia is planning to attack NATO countries.
	Whereas a previous admin messaged to European counterparts with soothing promises of American perpetual and growing defense commitment to the continent, Exeth plainly warned European last week not to assume the U.S. military present will be forever.
	Indeed.
	Top officials are suggesting some degree of U.S. retrenchment from Europe to the Asia-Pacific is imminent.
	Where Biden spoke in almost mantric terms about the transatlantic unity, especially on Russia-Ukraine, General Keith Kellogg bluntly explained that negotiation to resolve the war will proceed without Europe.
	This is all very encouraging.
	You know, I've been very, very impressed listening to Vance, Hegseth, other Trump administration appointees.
	They are so intelligent.
	They are so articulate.
	I mean, it's no comparison with the amateurs writing to Biden admin who are either morons or...
	You know, psychophants or ideologues.
	I mean, it's totally different.
	It's like going from high school amateur production to excellent real expertise.
	Russ, have you noted the same?
	Yeah, I think you're right now.
	I noticed one of the optics that Trump pulled is that after the meetings, he called his allies.
	You know, he made five calls.
	And I forget who he called first.
	But the last one he called, this is back-channeling type stuff, the last one he called was Britain, because that goes back to Boris Johnson showing up and encouraging this war.
	Yes.
	So he's kind of going, you know, Britain, cool your jets.
	So they're trying to do a little divide and conquer.
	I mean, he's up against a lot.
	I've heard that there's like, McGregor was on saying there's a bunch of Ukrainian agents in Northern Virginia that are set to assassinate people.
	They'd like to assassinate Trump?
	And of course blame it on Iran?
	Yeah, that's fascinating.
	That would not surprise me in the least, Joachim.
	Yeah, Ukraine has long been known for their assassination squad, you know, and who knows, they probably had something to do with Scott Bennett's death.
	So, yeah, Lindsey Graham, this is the poster boy for the military-industrial complex.
	He's never seen a war that he can basically not want to do, you know?
	He's grotesque.
	He has as much credibility as nobody because everything that comes out of this guy's mouth is total bullshit.
	Nobody wants what he wants.
	I mean, you have to be a moron to actually buy into what this guy is always saying.
	So, yeah.
	And there's quite a few idiots like that in Congress.
	You're going to see a lot of Democrats.
	I mean, he's a uniparty guy, obviously.
	It's the name only, I think, a Republican.
	But, yeah, I mean, Trump is going to have a lot of opposition because there's so many Democrats that, I mean, it used to be the party that actually was anti-war back in the day, you know, the Vietnam War and all that.
	But, boy, is that 180 degrees from what it is now.
	It's a war party.
	So, yeah, there's going to be a lot of backlash.
	Every move that Trump makes, he's always got a huge backlash of lawfare-type, you know, mindsets.
	So, but yeah, I think it's great developments going on for Ukraine.
	I have a lot of problems, though, with the situation in the Middle East.
	Yeah, yeah, we're turning to them now.
	I mean, here, get this.
	Smote, wretch!
	Claims Trump's ethnic cleansing plan for Gaza will start within weeks.
	He's attributing this to Trump.
	And, of course, there are good reasons for that.
	Over the weekend, Israeli Finance Minister Benzel Smotrich, he's the most extreme of the extremists, claimed a plan to forcibly displace Palestinians from Gaza in line with President Trump's plan for the territory would begin in the coming weeks.
	Preparations have started among our teams, alongside teams of the U.S. President Donald Trump.
	Smote rates since Saturday, according to Middle East Eye.
	The plan requires two components.
	One is to find countries that can receive people, and two, it's a huge logistic operation to take such a large number of people out of here.
	Trump has repeatedly called for Palestinians to leave Gaza permanently, which would require an ethnic cleansing campaign.
	Palestinians have rejected Trump's plan, which also involves the U.S. taking over Gaza.
	But Smoltrich claimed they would want to leave.
	I think most of them will want to, Smoltrich said.
	It's a process that's going to start in the coming weeks.
	Even if it starts at a slower pace, bit by bit, it will gather speed and intensity.
	Smoke cited the massive destruction, Israel's inflection on Gaza, as a reason why the Palestinians would want to leave, and that would only get worse after a return to fighting, signaling he expects Israel to restart its genocidal war.
	Your thoughts, Joaquin?
	This is terrible.
	They're going full speed ahead with ethnic purge of all the Palestinians in Gaza and next they're going to turn to the West Bank.
	It's grotesque.
	There has to be some organized...
	It'll be almost unanimous.
	There's no countries other than Britain and America and Israel that are really for this.
	There's a lot of...
	I want to see a lot of countries in Europe that have been allies, totally like Spain, Italy, these countries, and the Eastern European countries, I want to see them break and say, no, we're joining the Muslim world against you.
	There has to be some kind of coalition group in this world.
	We know it's the majority that's against genocide.
	So there has to be some kind of organized coalition that opposes it.
	And if need be, you know, I'm not a war advocate, but somebody's got to stop these maniac Israelis and Americans.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, Russ.
	Well, they can't go to Jordan because Jordan's regime had collapsed just like that.
	Egypt's willing to go to war over the issue.
	But one option that they're working on is Morocco.
	Haul them across the Mediterranean, dump them up there.
	They're going to pay Morocco off.
	Morocco's got some territory and they have some disputed territory that they're going to settle and give to them and settle them there.
	That might be...
	That might actually be a solution for some of them.
	If you're going to have to cleanse them, send them to a country like Morocco.
	But they better, you know, they can't just leave them.
	People just can't leave with the shirts on their backs.
	They've got to have some resources.
	They've got to have some money.
	Who's going to pay for all that?
	I propose all the Jewish oligarchs around the world to chip into a big kitty.
	Billions of dollars to go ahead and pay the reparations necessary for this operation to Morocco.
	I think it's a non-starter from the beginning.
	Palestinians declare they'd rather die than leave Palestine.
	I mean, it's the Holy Land.
	They actually have an entitlement to those lands.
	The Israelis, who are virtually all from...
	I mean, this is absurd what's going on here.
	Look how much the Palestinians valiantly fought and died for their homeland.
	I don't think they're going to go for it for a minute.
	And Smoltrich, I think, has been smoking something if he thinks it's going to happen.
	He is such a zealot.
	Joaquin, yours.
	Yeah, he is the maniac of all the maniacs in that militant regime of Netanyahu.
	Yeah, I want to see a lot of pushback by Muslim countries against ones that break like Morocco and start trying to make wheeling deals on the side here to take them in.
	Every Muslim country has to be steadfast in saying, no way.
	A total unified alliance for the Palestinians.
	And if one country breaks, that's all it's going to take.
	And so we can't have that.
	The Muslim world needs to step up behind the whole rest of the world that is totally against this horror.
	We have to do this.
	We cannot be passive and just watch it like the genocide we've been watching.
	We can't allow it.
	The Zionists have a talent for finding the weak links and fan people off and getting their way.
	I'm mentioning it.
	I certainly don't support it, but it's out there being discussed.
	I think Trump's on board with it, too.
	Huckabee, you know, as ambassador to Israel, say, Palestinian states have great ideas as long as that's outside the borders of Israel.
	Well, that's unacceptable.
	I mean, this is ridiculous.
	The International Court of Justice in evaluating the South African charges of genocide against Israel was represented by a British barrister who did an absolutely eloquent, brilliant, devastating...
	Brief explaining that there was no legal entitlement for the creation of the state of Israel historically at all.
	That it's an illicit state.
	That it doesn't have a warrant for its existence in terms of international law.
	And he was 100% correct.
	So what's going on here?
	That we should be promoting this illicit state to evacuate the bona fide occupants of the region that to them are...
	Holy and sacred and to which they are properly entitled, Joaquin.
	This is just such a disgrace internationally.
	We need to start a movement to deport all the Ashkenazim Jews in Israel from Israel.
	That's what we need to do.
	The international community needs to get together and start working on that.
	Here, send it back.
	Send it back to Ukraine.
	Ukraine lost a million.
	They could use a repopulation.
	Send it to Morocco.
	Hey, Zelensky said, you know, we're a big Israel.
	Right.
	We want to be the new Israel.
	Right.
	That's where they came from.
	They need Israelis then to make themselves a big Israel to repopulate for the million they've lost.
	I think there's a solution.
	What happens when they start this conflict up again, start genociding people?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And, you know, if you're in Gaza, you're going to want to get the hell out of there if the opportunity presents itself.
	Because Motrich, in the final paragraphs, called the massive destruction Israel is affected on Gaza as a reason why the Palestinians would want to leave.
	So that would only get worse after a return to fighting, signaling he expects Israel to restart its genocidal war he previously said.
	Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave him a guarantee that the bombing campaign and siege would resume after the final phase of the current hostage and ceasefire deal.
	Arab countries have strongly rejected Trump's proposal for Gaza and are calling for a plan that allows Palestinians to remain in the territory during Reconstruction.
	That reconstruction into the Riviera of the Middle East, right?
	I just don't get it.
	What did Trump think he was doing there, making that proposal?
	Joaquin, it just seems to be so ludicrous.
	Trump is a showman.
	He's a con man.
	He's a liar.
	He's a snake oil salesman.
	He will do one good thing and then he'll, you know, do sleight of hand the other.
	But it's in our face, this whole genocide in the Middle East.
	He cannot get away with this.
	And the Muslim world and the whole world needs to move fast on this and oppose it.
	And, you know, like I say, I'm not an advocate of war.
	But this is something that needs to be resolved, and I'm afraid the only way to stop it is through war.
	I hate to say it.
	Well, here we have a very disturbing development.
	B-52 bombers fly over nine countries in the Middle East.
	A flyover is meant as a show of force against Iran, the CENTCOM chief said.
	The U.S. conducted a major flyover of bombers and fighter jets over nine countries across the Middle East in a show of force against Iran and its allies.
	The Central Command mission included aerial refueling drills and live munition drops.
	Sent on Chief General Eric Carrella declared, Bomber Task Force missions demonstrate U.S. power projection capability, commitment to regional security and ability to respond to any state or non-state actor seeking to commitment to regional security and ability to respond to any state or non-state actor seeking to broaden or
	The Air Force B-52 Stratofortress bombers, let me just add as an aside, this is the greatest military weapon ever designed by the hand of man, bar none.
	Which led the mission are based in the UK. Also involved, American F-15s and other fighters flown by unnamed partner nations.
	The warplanes first flew through Europe and then over nine partner nations under the CENTCOM areas of responsibility.
	Now it's not clear which countries those were.
	Live munition drops at ranges in several partner nations were conducted, the command explained in a news release.
	According to Air and Space Force magazine, the B-52s involved in the February 17th long-range mission over the Middle East are part of a bomber task force deployed to Europe, BTF-25-2, which kicked off last week.
	The show of force follows the departure of the Harry S. Truman Aircraft Carrier Strike Group from the region after a two-month appointment in the Red Sea in the Gulf of Aden.
	Last November, Washington temporarily deployed six B-52s to the Middle East along with more fighters, which were used to carry out strikes against Islamic State targets in Syria.
	Reportedly, the November deployment was the first of its kind since 2019. Your thoughts, Joaquin?
	What the hell?
	I think this is awful.
	This undoes all the stuff that we were raving about with Ukraine, because everything is being set up for World War III against Iran.
	But it's not going to be just against Iran.
	Of course, the strategic partner with Russia and China are also involved.
	It's World War III Armageddon.
	They are determined to do it.
	You know, Albert Pike, 1871, here we go.
	We have to do something about this, because that's what they're doing.
	They're making sure that we have a war in the Middle East, and it's going to be devastating for this entire Earth.
	So, yeah, this is a big show of force.
	It's all a preparatory stage for all-out war that's coming.
	Well, you know, they could be doing some quid pro quo stuff with Putin.
	You know, they've got the April 20th deadline to kind of wrap things up with Russia.
	They may move pretty quickly on that, give a lot of concessions to Putin, and kind of get him to distance himself from his relationship with Iran.
	Now, right now, Russia is reaching out to their allies.
	Lavrov is going to South Africa.
	So they're reassuring their allies right now, but that could change.
	So this could be a setup to get Russia sort of separated a little bit by Russia by ending this war and giving them a lot of concessions.
	I just entered that in the equation, the chess game.
	But tell that out again, Russ.
	I mean, how does flying B-52s over the Middle East work in relation to Putin?
	Well, I think that the real issue will be the fast-paced settlement of the war in Russia and Ukraine and maybe moving Russia away from its alliance with Iran to kind of isolate them a little bit more for I think that the real issue will be the fast-paced settlement of the war in Russia and Ukraine I don't think there's a chance Russia will decomple from Iran.
	I think, on the contrary, it will only strengthen.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look, Iran!
	Iran is the most peace-loving nation in the world, for crying out loud.
	It hasn't launched a war of aggression against another state since 1775. I mean, this demonization of Iran is schizophrenic.
	It's sounded in touch with reality.
	It's grossly distorted, total propaganda.
	Happy horseshit galore.
	I'm just playing devil's advocate at how these Zios and these Trump-tards, you know, the Trump-tards operate, how they think and how they try to maneuver.
	They may attempt that, whether Russia falls for it or not, is up in the air.
	Well, Russia's not going to fall for any Zionist propaganda in my book, but Joaquin...
	What happens if sanctions are dropped?
	What happens if they get pretty much all their terms in Ukraine?
	Yeah, they may feel some obligation.
	No, I don't think that means abandoning Iran.
	I don't think there's a prospect of that whatsoever.
	Joaquin, your thoughts?
	No, no.
	The Western aggression has basically forced Iran and Russia and China to mobilize into one.
	That's one force, the Eastern forces.
	Hopefully there won't be the World War, but the Western aggressors are gunning for it because the puppet politicians in the West follow their orders from the City of London, the bankers that control both sides to every single war ever for the last few centuries.
	Yeah, and I think...
	I think of Israel attacks Iran.
	Iran is capable of obliterating Israel.
	I don't know about the capabilities in dealing with B-52s.
	Joaquin, do you have any idea they fly so high?
	Do the Iranians have, if they're given the best Russian anti-missile systems the ability to shoot down B-52s?
	I know that Russia and Iran have advanced electronic jamming.
	Yes.
	So I think that they have a solution, even with the B-52s.
	I think so.
	There's a story just out earlier this week where Iran now has joined an exclusive club of few countries with a supersonic cruise missile.
	They have an anti-ship supersonic cruise missile that has been presented to Iran's supreme leader.
	Yes.
	Capabilities would keep the U.S. Navy.
	So I think we could really neutralize the U.S. Navy.
	Oh, yes.
	Navies are an anachronism.
	They're out of date in the era of cruise missiles and these electronic devices, especially the hypersonic.
	I mean, they're sitting ducks.
	Remember the USS Cook?
	What, in the Red Sea?
	We had a Passover by a Russian...
	Was it a bison bomber?
	And they completely neutralized the electronics.
	They couldn't do a damn thing about it with repeated passes.
	And many of the sailors got the hell out of the Navy because they were sitting ducks.
	Joaquin.
	Yeah, the U.S. Navy has been neutralized.
	They're neutered.
	You know, we have a different era, a different war.
	And they're basically, I mean, that was the big pride of America.
	You know, they're naval fleets, you know?
	But no, they're non-relevant now at this point in the statecraft of warfare.
	Yes, I agree completely.
	You know, Iran's military is pretty dug in.
	I mean, they're underground.
	They're spread out all over the place.
	That would be a really tough operation.
	Oh, and they are very highly trained.
	I mean, that's a formidable force.
	I mean, the U.S. is completely underestimating Iran's capacity to retaliate.
	I would have liked if Iran had actually launched in response to the last Israeli attack, a full attack on all Israeli military installation, taking them all out.
	They were entitled under international law to respond.
	It would have been in accordance with the U.N. charter.
	I believe they ought to have taken that opportunity to settle this issue once and for all.
	Joaquin, would that have been advisable or not?
	Well, probably.
	I would say no, but it's coming.
	The West is pushing it.
	Israel is pushing it.
	And Iran will respond.
	That is their next move, as a matter of fact.
	The next Israeli aggression.
	If they try and go and bomb the nuclear sites in Iran, man, we're going to see a horrible, horrible competition.
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	I hear a couple articles that are right on target in relation to the issuers.
	We're discussing it where I was profoundly disturbed when Trump authorized sending Israel, the mother of all bombs, which was used against the K fortifications in Afghanistan and would be the perfect weapon to attempt to take out Iran's nuclear facilities.
	I think that was a terrible thing to do.
	From the truth seeker, NetYahu vows to finish the job against Iran with support from Trump.
	This is from CNN on February 17. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin NetYahu vowed on Sunday to finish the job against Iran with the support of U.S. President Donald Trump.
	NetYahu was speaking alongside U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio visiting Israel.
	In his first official trip to the region since assuming the role, over the last 16 months, Israel has dealt a mighty blow to Iran's terror axis.
	Iran, may I say, is not the terrorist state.
	That would be Israel and its ally, the United States, under the strong leadership of President Trump.
	I have no doubt that we can and will finish the job Netanyahu said.
	Rubio said there could never be a nuclear rant.
	I don't understand why not.
	We had a nuclear Soviet Union and a nuclear America that led to an era of peace, the Cold War, because each side knew the other could annihilate the other.
	Having one side with all the weapons and the other not does not work.
	Rubio said, again, there could never be a nuclear rant.
	It's important to constantly point out that whether we talk about Hamas or we talk about Hezbollah, we talk about violence in the West Bank, talk about the destabilization of Syria, talk about any of these issues, the militias in Iraq, they all have behind them one common theme, Iran.
	Clearly demonization extreme.
	Rubio added, that must be addressed.
	U.S. intel agencies recently warned both the Biden and Trump admins that Israel will likely attempt to strike facilities key to Iran's nuclear program this year, according to sources familiar with the assessment.
	And Iran has replied that, you know, made the threat while Marco Rubio is visiting.
	We've just reviewed it.
	The Iranian Foreign Ministry Monday hit back at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for threatening the U.S. and Israel will finish a job against Iran.
	Threatening others is both a gross violation of international law and the United Nations Charter, said Iranian Foreign Minister spokesman Esmail Bagai.
	He added that the U.S. and Israel could not do a damn thing against Iran.
	Referring to President Trump's call for a deal with Iran, Baghdai said, you cannot threaten Iran on one hand and claim to support dialogue on the other.
	Trump has also increased sanctions on Iran by reinstating his so-called maximum pressure campaign, which I've always thought was a height of stupidity.
	Netanyahu made the threat.
	I was named Secretary of State Rubio in Jerusalem Sunday.
	There's more here, but let me get your reactions, your thoughts, Joachim.
	Yeah, I think this is a case of schizophrenia.
	We have rational, very logical, strategic moves in the right direction with Ukraine, and then the exact Opposite.
	Aggression, get the job done, like Trump is saying referring to Gaza.
	Yes.
	Well, now it's extended all the way to Iran, which we all knew was the one that they were going to go after because they always say, well, the Lebanese, you know, the Hezbollah and Iraq and all of them are supported by Iran.
	You know, yeah, this is total.
	Gung-ho World War III. And, you know, I think that Israel is going to get obliterated when it's all said and done.
	And I hate to say, America could also take a big hit.
	I think you got it right.
	Rush, your thoughts?
	I'd ask Bibi.
	Bibi, I'm a little bit confused because you're saying that if you hit their nuclear facilities, that that's all Iran has?
	They don't have other weapons?
	They don't have other ways of engaging in warfare?
	And doing a lot of damage to you, so I'm a little confused, Phoebe.
	I think you're kind of pulling a wall over people's eyes.
	Iran's got capabilities other than just this Nacian or whatever.
	To whatever degree their nuclear program has developed, they got other things they can throw into the mix, including these supersonic cruise missiles now.
	So it's kind of a ridiculous military strategy.
	Yeah, they got scalar technology as well, which will be just as effective without the nuclear fall-up, you know?
	Right.
	Right.
	And Israel's a very small target.
	It's just easy to do.
	It's just embarrassing to me that the United States acts like the bully on the block, that they can force people to do things that are unjust, illegal.
	Immoral.
	I mean, it's pathetic.
	The United States has so disgraced itself, I'm really very troubled by what has happened to our standing among nations of the world.
	It seems to me we have forfeited all of the good we may have done in the past.
	Meanwhile...
	What's going on?
	It's not just Iran that they could be going up against.
	It could be the whole Middle East.
	I'm hearing more and more about Egypt getting engaged.
	I hope the hell I get out of here before that happens.
	Do you mean the U.S. going after Egypt?
	Egypt could get engaged.
	It kind of goes to this point where they start attacking Iran, hauling people off to Morocco, all these different options that they're playing is going to incite.
	And maybe finally even Turkey.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Maybe even Turkey, which could play a major role in the Middle East when it has been reluctant to do it.
	Joaquin, what's your assessment?
	Is Turkey going to get engaged here in a serious way?
	Erwin is, to me, a double dealer talking out of both sides of his mouth.
	I think he's as untrustworthy as any leader in the Middle East has ever been.
	Right.
	He's the master of playing both sides, yes.
	But yeah, ultimately, if Israel and America push it, yeah, he's going to line up with the rest of the Muslims going after U.S. and Israel.
	It's going to come to that.
	Well, we also have the border situation where, as I may have reported before, 97 tanks have been observed on trains headed for our southern border.
	We have a certain number of troops there already.
	Special Forces, according to this report, are going to be deployed to Mexico for training.
	That's, of course, a cover for an actual op.
	Let me just share a part of this from Zero Hedge.
	Special forces deployed to Mexico for a training mission following spy plane signet ops.
	After two weeks of U.S. Air Force RC-135VW, a rivet joint reconnaissance aircraft, conducting multiple signals intelligence ops along the U.S.-Mexican border and in international waters off of southern Baja California.
	Areas controlled by heavily armed drug cartels that the Ukrainians have been selling military equipment to that we've sent to them to use against Russia.
	They've turned around and sold it to the cartels.
	The Mexican Senate Commission has approved the deployment of U.S. special force operation to the country for training missions.
	Self-reps Guy McArdle reports.
	The Mexican Senate Commission has already approved the U.S. Army's 7th Special Forces Group Airborne Green Berets to conduct training exercises at a naval facility in Caboche, a Mexican port city on the Gulf of Mexico.
	Out of date, Gulf of America.
	As of Monday, the exercise is underway and will last through the end of March.
	In conjunction with the Mexican Navy's Infanteria del Marina, the train will take place at the Lua Capazio Naval Facility in Camp Eje from Feb 17 to March 30. It's been officially approved by the Mexican Naval Ministry Commission and will be conducted under the supervision of the Mexican Defense Ministry.
	This ensures that while the training benefits from U.S. military experience, It remains aligned with Mexico's national defense priorities.
	What do you think, Joaquin?
	Is this a copper for a military op against the cartels?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	We're going to have a war front on the Mexican border.
	And, you know, I'm concerned about all those sleeper cells.
	You know, the wide-open southern border over the last many years, billions in America now, and they have basically their terrorist network all ready to go.
	So it's going to go beyond just a war on the border or even with Mexico.
	It's going to go beyond that and be a domestic war in America as well.
	So that's another great concern, hitting close to home.
	And, you know, we're spreading ourselves thin.
	I mean, you know, if there's a big war in the Middle East against Iran and the Mexican War, you know, it's like way too much.
	We're not ready for all that.
	You have responsible statecraft arguing about the absolute wrong way to deploy the U.S. military on the border.
	The Trump team seem to be repeating the same mistakes and may actually end up harming national security rather than helping it.
	Guys and gals of my generation has been decades in foreign countries guarding other people's borders.
	It's about time we secure our own, Secretary of Health Pete Hegseth said during his first trip to the southern border earlier this month.
	These need to be and will be a focus of this department, he reiterated at a Pentagon town hall days later.
	Most service members deployed to the southern border today never fought in the post-9-11 wars.
	But Hegseth is right, their commanders and civilian bosses have plenty of experience to draw from two decades spent securing and stabilizing Iraq and Afghanistan.
	However, while it's still early days so far.
	The Pentagon doesn't seem to be making use of those hard-won lessons.
	Instead, DOD leaders appear to be repeating the mistakes of their predecessors with open-ended missions attached to unclear objectives and more attention to appearance and signaling than results.
	Active-duty forces may have a role to play in President Trump's immigration agenda, but those in charge can do much more.
	To set this mission up for success while minimizing impacts on an already overstretched military force and budget.
	I think that echoes some of your points, Joaquin Bruns.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, I mean, there's two issues.
	There's border patrols, which is what this article is addressing, and deploying the U.S. military on the border seems like common sense.
	I've kind of wondered what I haven't been doing long ago.
	But what we're talking about is chasing down the cartels within Mexico.
	That's completely different.
	And to be honest with you, I think I'd say lock and load, go for it.
	Nail them.
	But you can't be fighting a war in the Middle East at the same time.
	That's exactly, you get overstretching everything.
	Then you got China to deal with.
	So if they make a priority out of conflict with the cartels, Then it might be a sensible strategy.
	But there's two different things, the border, border patrol, and going to war with the cartel.
	Those are entirely different operations.
	Those are excellent points for us.
	I couldn't agree more.
	And of course, our military is kind of ragtagging and pleading.
	I mean, we have the COVID. We lost a lot of military.
	We were given the boot because they wouldn't take the vaccine.
	They were right.
	The military was wrong.
	Then we've had all the transgender gays coming into the military.
	That's created chaos, a lack of discipline.
	I've always thought women in combat positions was a very bad idea.
	Put a woman on a submarine, for example.
	You've got everyone thinking about pushing, not about doing their job.
	I mean, that's just outrageous.
	This is only common sense, Joaquin.
	I mean, could our military...
	In today's condition, even fight these two wars at the same time?
	Go.
	No, we don't have the strength.
	And that's been crushed internally by the wokeism that previous administrations.
	This is all by design.
	They wanted to weaken America's military.
	So that they would lose wars and major loss of wars.
	So, yeah.
	And if we go both in the Middle East, head mom, and Mexico, it's not going to work.
	It's not going to work.
	And, like, you know, I'm not big on Hegzeb.
	However, as far as his stand on wokeism and getting rid of all the LGBT... You know, they finally stopped financing these operations, these transgender operations, and then having them on drugs as they passed over.
	You know, it's so sick.
	That's finally ended.
	But there, I mean, we need to clean it up.
	And I agree totally.
	If you mix the genders...
	In combat conditions, it's not going to work.
	Or any kind of conditions.
	It really has to be kept pretty separate.
	And they're not.
	And it's been really muddled up on purpose so that the United States will lose its wars.
	I think Trump is imposing the right policies now.
	But it takes time to train new recruits, to get them in the groove, to re-flash in the military when it's been so tattered and torn.
	Ross, your further thoughts?
	Fighting on the cartels in Mexico, the United States may have some advantages in that we have a lot of Spanish speakers, you know, within the military.
	Yes.
	Spanish.
	Yes.
	So that's kind of an edge.
	It's a little different from Afghanistan or something like that.
	The logistics are a lot better.
	You're closer to the United States.
	You have camps that you can set up.
	You can have Spanish speakers.
	I would actually be somewhat optimistic about fighting the cartels.
	It might be kind of costly, though, because of the pushback and the sabotage on the U.S. side of the border.
	They can really start taking out refining cities and really disrupting the economy.
	And we talked about Ukrainian assassination teams, the cartels.
	They're no slouches when it comes to assassination.
	They couldn't put out hits on Trump all day long, it seems to me, Joaquin.
	There's a further thought, is there not?
	Yeah, I'm really kind of hesitant even going to war because, you know, the Mexican government basically is in alignment with the cartel.
	So, you know, it's facing both of them.
	And then, you know, like I said, the domestic turmoil that's going to be caused, I don't know.
	We can do it surgically and a very limited operation to cut down.
	The drug flow into the United States.
	If it's done in a very narrowly defined way, that might be effective and not as costly.
	But if we go all out, and then especially if there's a Middle East war, forget it.
	Forget it.
	America's done.
	We will not survive.
	That's pretty grim prospect.
	Not surviving.
	I think if we go all out against Iran and run...
	Forget the Middle East and lock and load on the cartels.
	That's my strategy.
	Forget the Middle East.
	Yeah, but Trump seems all in.
	This new article, Gordon Dobbins, author, confirming that Trump has converted to Judaism.
	I mean, I'm sure that's...
	I haven't read the article, but...
	That's the Achilles heel of the United States.
	Zog.
	That's the whole problem the United States has.
	Zionist-occupied government and Israel first.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And it's not a new thing that he's with Khabib Lubavitch.
	That's been going on for a long time.
	You know, and he's got a son-in-law that's very in deep with that.
	Yes.
	So, yeah, and then, you know, the article gets into his whole heritage with his family.
	I think his grandmother on the eternal side was Jewish.
	So, yeah, he's steeped in that.
	And then during the election, he actually came out in front of a campaign audience and said, I'm not a Christian.
	Right, right.
	We know what he is.
	He was praising Christianity and said in the middle, I'm not a Christian, but he went on, you know, praising Christians in America and Christianity, and now he's got a new task force dedicated to combat anti-Christian propaganda.
	Well, that means getting rid of all the Zionists, because they're all anti-Christian.
	Remember Rabbi Schneerson, when he was being approached and declared to be the Meshiach, the day return of the Jewish, Savior said, no, no, I can't be the Meshiac because there are still Christians alive on earth.
	And they worshipped this guy.
	And they worshipped this guy.
	And Trump even made a...
	I remind everybody that Trump's big mentor in New York City when he was younger was Roy Cohn.
	Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
	What more do you want to add, Russ?
	Yeah, he was very popular.
	In my day, when I was young, my parents gave me that book.
	I was really getting pushed on people my age.
	And what a bunch of wishful, magical thinking.
	The power of positive thinking.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's like magical thinking.
	Yeah.
	Here's just one more story to toss into the hop before I open the lines for callers.
	This might be the biggest fraud in the industry.
	Stephen Miller exposes massive fraud.
	Foreign nationals coming to the U.S. using fake social security numbers and fake identity to steal billions in taxpayer benefits.
	Cracking down on this fraud could save a trillion over 10 years.
	There's one thing I think this Dodge is doing a fantastic job in regard to Social Security.
	They've got people up to the age of 300. I mean, it just goes on and on and on.
	This thing right here, this chart that Elon Musk put out, I think this is kind of phony.
	Oh, you do?
	I already questioned some of these numbers.
	However, it's a real issue because, you know, think about it.
	When somebody dies, say somebody in your family dies, you're obligated to go down to Social Security and present a death certificate or whatever and take them off the Social Security rolls.
	And how many people actually do that?
	You have so many grifters in the United States that will just not even bother to do it.
	Meanwhile, these checks are being deposited monthly into these bank accounts, you know, direct deposits.
	And all she's got to do is have an ATM machine and access the bank account.
	So, I don't know what the numbers are.
	I think this is bullshit.
	150 years old, a million point three.
	I don't know what Elon Musk was doing here.
	It's clearly a problem.
	People are fleecing.
	If you're dying, your relatives or whoever are fleecing the system and continue.
	Not to make an obvious point, but these are just numbers coming out of accounting records.
	I don't think he can be wrong about it.
	Joaquin, what do you think?
	Well, you know, it's hard to say, but yeah, I mean, obviously there's a lot of people that have taken advantage, and it's a lot of corruption going on, and it's been going on forever.
	You know, yeah.
	So, you know, as far as does going in and cleaning it up and firing a bunch of people, you know, the federal government is the biggest employer in the United States, and now it needs to be downsized.
	So that's all good, too.
	You know, I think that we have such a major problem with the fraud and corruption and abuse going on.
	With all the programs, they all need auditing.
	And I'm waiting for, basically, the Federal Reserve audit to separate so that the Federal Reserve no longer controls the money flow.
	How about Fort Knox?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Hey, surprise, surprise.
	It's like Al Capone's vault.
	It's going to be empty.
	There's no gold in Fort Knox, I'm convinced.
	Do either of you have any doubt?
	All this Medicare and Social Security, think of what's involved in a clawback.
	Think about the prosecutions you'd have.
	You'd have to have a huge law enforcement effort.
	You'd have to catch people.
	You'd have to prosecute them.
	You'd have to claw the money back.
	Probably the money's all been spent.
	So the retirement would be so poor, and the cost of doing these, why, that's impossible.
	We'll be right back.
	I'll give out the cost number 608.
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	Joaquin, your response too?
	I think this Dodge thing is just doing a fabulous job.
	I'm very impressed.
	And of course, the Democrats are shitting bricks over all this, especially in the decimation of USAID, which was their multi-billion, even trillion-dollar slush fund.
	Yeah.
	This is basically his failure in his first term to, quote, drain the swamp.
	He's prepared this time to clean it out with a doge.
	I mean, yeah, it's a good idea, and it looks like they're getting real results.
	And, of course, they're going to be met with a lot of opposition, a lot more lawfare.
	But, you know, it's another, basically, this is a whole other war basically going on on the home front with the internal rot that's our government.
	So, yeah, this is another good war front that's being waged by Trump and company.
	So, yeah, I'm in favor of that, definitely.
	Raj.
	Well, you get rid of this level of grifting that we're seeing here in this chart, even though I don't think it's accurate.
	The grifting is just – there's so many criminals that are grifting the system that when you start removing that, the economy is going to collapse.
	That's what's holding the economy up.
	Already the D.C. area on these government layoffs is huge listings of houses on the market.
	Big jump in jobless claims.
	The whole government complex is going to...
	I mean, that's what's been holding the economy together in the last couple decades.
	Excess government workers, transfer payments, drifting, NGOs.
	You start removing that.
	I mean, it's a necessary thing to do.
	It's just like the cartels go to the heart of the beast, but the economy is going to collapse.
	Can't hold up under that.
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