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Feb. 3, 2025 - Jim Fetzer

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Breaking Down The Moon Landing Hoax w/ Bart Sibrel

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	Over, you know, an hour, and then, you know, you just keep us posted how you're doing on your end as well, okay?
	Yeah, I got about an hour, just if it matters.
	Bear's volume is a little bit louder, probably twice as much as Mike's, on my end, coming through my monitor, so.
	Oh, I'm a little low?
	Yeah, if that matters to anybody.
	I'll fix it for the stream.
	I think you need to pipe the microphone inside of your mouth.
	It's not close enough.
	I'm on a mobile thing and I had to turn off the...
	Yeah, so anyways, I'll fix it in...
	I talk loud anyways, but I'll fix it in post for the audio podcast, which will be on Spotify and a lot of people listen to this show.
	Hey guys, what's up?
	We're live.
	I'm coming to you live and direct from the great Tahoe, California on the Music and Snow Men's Retreat.
	And we're here with Bart Cirell.
	We're going to jump right into it.
	Super pumped to have Bart on and really want to say thank you all for joining us tonight on a unique time.
	So here we go.
	Just do this, and I'm going to hit record.
	And boom, we're back for another episode of AlphaCast.
	I'm Mike Winter, and I'm here as always with my good buddy, Dr. Bear Paul Lando, coming to you live and direct from, well, Bear is in the great state of Jefferson.
	I'm coming to you remote from, I don't know, Bear is Tahoe considered the state of Jefferson?
	Absolutely.
	Okay, so I'm still in the state of Jefferson.
	It's a state of mind, Mike, so wherever you are, the state of Jefferson goes with you.
	I love that.
	I'm bringing it.
	I'm definitely bringing the Jeffersonian freedom mindset here on the slopes, here with a men's retreat for Music and Sky.
	It's been wonderful.
	Yeah, today, this has been a show we've been looking forward to, breaking down the moon landing hoax matrix with Bart C. Braille.
	Many now agree that the NASA acronym National Aeronautics and Space Administration should instead connote never a straight answer.
	It's pretty common parlance amongst our community understands that.
	The historic moon landing has become a central issue amongst the growing number of NASA skeptics for good reason.
	Modernized technology reveals so many incogruities in existing video footage and documentation that the government may indeed have a lot of explaining to do.
	Bart Cibrell, award-winning filmmaker, writer, and investigative journalist, joins us today to set the record straight.
	Bart has been producing television programs, documentaries, music videos, TV commercials and stage plays for over 40 years.
	He has owned five video production companies, been employed by two of the three major networks, worked as a television news reporter and produced videos shown on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, TLC, USA and BET. What up?
	He has also appeared as a seasoned actor on the stage and screen over 500 times.
	Wow, Bart, I didn't know that.
	That's cool.
	Articles featuring Sabrell's films have been published in Time Magazine, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and USA Today.
	His awards from the American Motion Picture Society include Best Cinematography, Best Editing, and Top Ten Director.
	Sabrell grew up as the biggest fan of the purported moon landings, yet gradually began to recognize their unfortunate falsification, largely because of his professional familiarity with their studio lighting.
	In Sabrell's mind, as well as many others, the claim that NASA walked on the moon on the very first attempt with 1960s technology, which only had one millionth the computing power of a cell phone, when today, with five decades of better technology, NASA can only send astronauts one thousandth the distance to the moon, simply defies logic.
	Sabrell believes that a religious attachment to the emotional event is what prevents people from waking up to the deplorable reality.
	Bart has appeared as guest commentator about the moon landing fraud on the Joe Rogan Experience, Geraldo, the Abrams Report, and all these other wonderful programs like Coast to Coast with Candace Owens, InfoWars.
	In his memoir, Moon Man, Bart Sabrell reveals, for the very first time, the official CIA code name for the real Apollo project, the military base where the first stage moon landing was filmed, and the names of 15 United States government scientists and officials who were in attendance for the first moon landing falsification, some of whom are still alive today.
	This information was given to Sabrell by the Chief of Security on the secretive military base, who confessed his regrettable participation in this despicable government fraud on his deathbed.
	Moon Man also reveals Bart Sabrell's real-life espionage adventures in investigating the CIA's greatest secret, including his discovery of privately recorded audio of an astronaut plotting Sabrell's assassination by the CIA, which would not be necessary if they really went to the moon.
	Logic, folks!
	Bart Sobrell is convinced that until the moon landing fraud is exposed, all the governments of the world will continue to rob the people under their care of not only the truth, yet also of their hard-earned money, which continues to this day to finance their own deception.
	Buckle up for this one, folks.
	Check out more at cbrell.com.
	The link is in the show notes below.
	Take it away, Bear.
	Okay.
	Hey, Bart, such a pleasure to meet you and have you here today and making time for us.
	Thank you.
	You know, we have a great audience and very sophisticated as we're talking about on our...
	We entertain a lot of questioning the science interviews.
	And with my background also, I started having to question medical science, things that just didn't add up.
	So, you know, but to really get to the meat of things and the way the world really works, sometimes we have to crack the outer shell of some of the biggest psyops that are, you know, we think running smoke screens over, you know, very important truths that would benefit.
	And change, you know, the entire world.
	The moon landing obviously is one of those bigger psyops in what I believe.
	So what we want to do today with our time with you is just have you tell your experience and maybe if you could just start from the top as far as how this whole thing started and how things started unraveling very quickly once you got into it.
	So thanks again for being with us and we'll just let you start.
	Well, thank you, Bear and Mike.
	You know, what we talked about before we began and what I heard just now is the, quote, science.
	And as I'm listening to you speak, Bear, I can't help but have these thoughts, one of which I saw this photograph of Klaus Schwab in his Illuminati getup, if I dare add, in Joe Rogan's studio.
	He has a full-size replica of the, what do you call it, that creature from an American werewolf in London.
	Full-size, you know, must have cost him a bundle, or maybe it was the original.
	I don't know.
	And then the bathroom, he has a picture of Klaus Schwab, or Schwab or whatever his name is, in his full Illuminati, pointed shoulders, black, you know, insignia, get up.
	And, of course, I come out of the bathroom and I say, look, guys, you really are scaring me with something here.
	And I really think, for the sake of all of your guests, you need to remove it.
	Now, they assume I'm talking about this big werewolf creature.
	And I said, what I really mean is Klaus Schwab in the bathroom.
	And, of course, they laugh.
	And then why that ties into science is these billionaires, they create clubs.
	For themselves, they create metals and give themselves a bunch of metals.
	That's what science has become.
	Because science said, I remember reading the article, it says, cigarettes are good for the health of your throat.
	That's what science said.
	Cigarettes are good for the health of your throat.
	And I know someone who died from throat cancer because he smoked too many cigarettes.
	They have organizations called the, you know, the Cereal Producers Association that say all this sugar is really good for you.
	I remember seeing a magazine ad that showed a mother giving her newborn baby a Coca-Cola with caffeine in it.
	And it said it's good for your baby.
	Imagine you buy a used car, and it's approved by the Used Car Association of America.
	Does that really mean anything?
	And right before this interview, I went to an organization news site, and it says that Pierce Morgan, the former senior broadcaster of the United Kingdom in London, BBC, I presume, just did an interview with Tucker Carlson, who has yet to interview me.
	I think maybe he thinks the moon landings are real.
	God bless him.
	And he said, look, I was wrong.
	About the, you know, this medicine people were receiving.
	Hello, YouTube.
	For an illness they didn't have for this event that went on the last three years.
	See, I said that correctly, didn't I, Mike?
	Beautifully said.
	Very cryptic.
	I was wrong.
	And the gentleman himself received three or four doses of this medicine for an illness he didn't have.
	And it lowered his immunity, and now it looks like for the rest of his life, he'll have a super low immunity.
	He said, I was wrong.
	I accepted it because it had the stamp of science on it, and I thought it would be foolish for people not to get it, so I made fun of them.
	I censored them, or whatever.
	You know, people used to say the...
	Poster child of all conspiracy theories, and it probably is true, is the moon landing fraud.
	So when you find out belatedly and horrifically, like I had to, like Mike Adams admitted.
	He's interviewed me five times, and he said after the second time he realized they really did fake the moon landing.
	He thought they were real, but had me on anyway.
	I was the biggest fan.
	Now back to your first question there, Bear.
	I grew up not only believing they were real, I virtually worshipped them.
	I was only four years old asleep in bed, but my father was in the Air Force.
	We found out recently the first moon landing was filmed in a hangar with a fake lunar set at an Air Force base, according to an eyewitness who was the chief of security of that base.
	So my dad got this VIP package of like maybe 15 color prints of Apollo 11. They're like my most valuable possession.
	I put them up on the wall, and of course we move every two years.
	Wherever we move, they're all together spot of glory.
	So from the age of 4 to 14, if I only saw them once a day, that means I saw them 3,650 times, right?
	And believing they're real.
	So when I'm 14 years old...
	I see one of the first guests on Oprah Winfrey by the name of William Casey, who worked at NASA for six years during the Apollo program.
	I just saw a clip of him this morning on TikTok from a video that I produced that is technically not available, but it's my interview with him that was cut out of the Fox special.
	Anyway, he says some things that I forgot he said.
	I saw him this morning.
	Well, anyway, he had second highest security clearance to Von Braun.
	And because von Braun had German as his native language, he would touch up the grammar of von Braun on the memos going from him to the Pentagon.
	That's why he had to have really high security clearance.
	And then the generals, you know, West Point or wherever they came from, you know, literature and grammar wasn't their forte either.
	So he would touch up theirs.
	Then they'd look more intelligent, professional to each other.
	He read a memo warning them, Von Braun to the Pentagon, that the odds of going to the moon successfully without killing the crew on the first attempt is 1 in 10,000 chance.
	So, what do you do in poker when you have crap?
	You could fold, and generally that's the smartest thing to do, or you could bluff.
	That's the amazing thing about poker.
	You can win and destroy everybody with crap.
	And that's what they did.
	They bluffed.
	So I'm a 14-year-old.
	I see them on TV. I'm thinking, I'm open-minded, right?
	Oh, never thought about that.
	I immediately go back to my bedroom wall, look at the pictures, and I'm like, huh.
	It looks like real soil up to a certain point, and then it becomes blurry horizontally left to right.
	Looks like a fake backdrop.
	Then same on the next picture, the same on the next picture, the same on the next picture.
	So it plants a seed of doubt.
	Ten years more forward.
	I'm 24. I've become a filmmaker.
	A filmmaker's job is to make fake scenes look real.
	I had a filmmaker friend who was a step above me in equipment and experience, and I won my first awards, which you mentioned, Best Cinematography, for the first film I ever made.
	And he says, you know, what a beautiful sunset out the window.
	And I was so pleased with myself because it was actually an electrical light.
	But I fooled him, you see?
	And so I look at this, and all that people have to do is go to sabrell.com.
	It's S as in Sam, I, B as in boy, R-E-L, sabrell.com.
	And go to the homepage.
	There's a three-minute video called The Moon Landing Fraud in Three Minutes.
	I show a picture of shadows outside in sunlight.
	Go outside on a cloudless day, your front yard, your parking lot at work, look at two trees, two telephone poles, two people, and you'll notice it's scientifically impossible.
	For their shadows to intersect.
	They always run parallel.
	And some people say what changes over the landscape.
	It does not.
	Look at two shadows run up a building.
	They're still parallel.
	They're parallel on the ground before the building.
	They're parallel on the wall of the building as they go up and turn.
	You see?
	Then I show a picture that's allegedly taken on the moon from the last mission where shadows are intersecting at 90 degrees from objects five feet apart.
	That is all the proof you need.
	That the moon missions were fake.
	If you edit this video, you can insert that picture.
	So there we have it.
	You just proved it scientifically in one photograph that they didn't go to the moon.
	Because the only way that shadows can intersect at 90 degrees from objects 5 feet apart is with an electrical light that is really, really close.
	Because the Sun is a million times bigger than the Earth, 93 million miles away, and it's going to cast shadows in the same direction over an entire continent.
	It's over.
	So, I, at 24, was editing one day for the producer of the show I had seen 10 years earlier.
	And I'm like, who is that guy who you had on your show?
	You know, who said we didn't go to the moon.
	I don't want to talk to him.
	So he puts me in touch with him.
	And Bill Kaysing says, hey, Bart, you're a filmmaker.
	You should make a movie about the moon landings being fake.
	So I go, let me think about this.
	So I literally take off for six months.
	I pay myself a salary for six months from savings as I research this.
	Shadows intersecting.
	Two of the three astronauts on the first most famous mission refuse to give an interview.
	That's kind of weird.
	Chief Administrator of NASA resigns without explanation right before the first mission.
	Doesn't want to have anything to do with it.
	Then the Soviets, they launched the first satellite, the first animal, the first man, the first woman, the first spacewalk, the first crew of three, the first of two spacecrafts side by side.
	For every 100 hours we spent in space, they spent 500 hours.
	Never went to the moon.
	I'm like, you know, something just doesn't smell right about this.
	And I have this kind of relentless, never give up personality.
	I'm the type of person who falls off a horse a hundred times will get back on.
	I will not be defeated.
	So don't play Monopoly against me.
	In any case, plus, I like puzzles.
	I even drew mazes, drew them.
	You know, and gave them to adults as a child that they found difficult.
	So then I said to myself, okay, I like puzzles.
	I never give up.
	So if anyone could figure this out, it would probably be me.
	And then I realized if they didn't go to the moon and I start digging up these bones, that could be dangerous.
	And then I think, you know, I want to have a wife and family someday.
	Should I risk my life for what Nixon did all those years ago?
	So I say no.
	I turn down the project.
	Five years go by, I have another client who's this famous Christian musician.
	And his wife says, Bart, I'll get one of your screenplays to a famous producer.
	And hopefully I'll produce my first screenplay right now.
	We're raising $7 million.
	It's starring Ron Perlman, who's a producer also.
	And they say, well, they'll do that if I do a favor for them.
	And I'm like, oh, what favor?
	They said, read the Bible.
	And I'm like, well, that'll make you happy.
	Easy trade.
	So they give me this one-year Bible.
	It, like, divides the Bible into 365 days, January 1, 2, or whatever.
	I remember I started June 3, 1989, the day the man in China stood in front of the tanks to protect his friends.
	So over the next five years after that, we have a third 10-year period now there, Mike and Bear, I read the Bible five times from cover to cover.
	I wasn't a Christian by any means, but it did convince me things don't make themselves.
	I mean, evolution actually is the opposite of logic because it says a lower form of life made a higher form of life.
	So how could something without a brain make a brain, right?
	So in any case...
	Plus, a judgment to come just kind of seems logical, right?
	It seems logical.
	And then I realized, you know, I'm going to die anyway.
	And if they fake the moon landing, that is more profound than if they actually went.
	Do you realize that?
	Either they went, planet flag came back, even though they can't do it today.
	Oh boy, that was a close one.
	Absolutely agreed.
	Much more of a mind-bender that the whole thing is a hoax.
	Well, it's more significant to humanity.
	You see, because if the most powerful nation on Earth that claims to be the bastion of truth and justice deceived their people, deceived the world, embezzled $250 billion, and not my opinion, the opinion of the dead people's relatives, murdered people to keep it a secret.
	And honest people are defending criminals because of the pride of the moon landing.
	If that's true, which sadly it is, then that's so much more significant than if they'd actually went.
	And I realized it is worth dying for.
	Mankind needs to know this.
	And as you know from Moon Man, my book, which I read in audio, Kindle, or print at sabrell.com, I actually did risk my life.
	Who would have thought?
	When I found...
	Classified footage of them faking part of the moon mission right in front of your eyes.
	And the way that God or serendipity works, as soon as I recant and decide to do it anyway, I meet a millionaire who builds rockets for NASA, who knows the moon landings are fake, and he felt it was his patriotic duty to give me a million dollars.
	To produce A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, which is on the homepage of sabrell.com, which you can see for free, which shows this footage.
	And when people see this footage, when you watch people watch the movie, they gasp.
	They go, which is what I did.
	But this film took seven years to produce.
	I spent 4,000 hours editing a 45-minute film.
	That's 40 hours a week for two years.
	I was producing it under the theory it might be true that they faked it.
	And then a whistleblower at NASA gives me this reel that says, don't show to the public on the screen.
	I pop it in, and it's unedited footage of the crew of Apollo 11 using a one-foot model of the Earth pretending they're halfway to the moon from Earth orbit with a third track of audio of the CIA telling them to fake a four-second radio delay to make it appear that they're further away from the Earth than they really are.
	And what a surprise.
	Here we are 55 years later, and they still can't leave Earth orbit.
	Even with...
	Five decades, better technology.
	That's why there's mannequins orbiting the moon instead of people.
	So I pop in that tape and I'm like, what is this?
	And I hear the CIA and the lights come up and it's a one foot model.
	And I'm like, oh my gosh, they actually did fake the moon landing.
	How sad is that?
	And I'm crushed.
	So not only do we have the shadows intersecting, which proves it, we have this footage that even my critics agree.
	Is the crew of Apollo 11 faking being halfway to the moon, which they would never have to do if they were really halfway to the moon, right?
	Which means they can't leave Earth orbit.
	Then the third proof we have is simple logic.
	Today, with five decades better technology, the farthest that NASA can send an astronaut into space is only one thousandth the distance to the moon.
	So what they're actually claiming is, back in 1969, The only time NASA kept a schedule in their entire history is the most complicated mission of all time, they were ahead of schedule.
	And with one millionth the computing power of a cell phone, they sent astronauts a thousand times farther into space in 1969 than they can do today with five decades better technology.
	So they're actually saying for the first time in the history of the world...
	Technology was greater in the past than in the future, which is impossible, because that would be like saying Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic in 1927, and in 1977, no one can fly across the Atlantic, and the best airplane can only fly three miles instead of 3,000 miles, when the opposite is true.
	After the first atomic bomb blew up in 1945, Ten years later, atomic bombs are 1,000 times more explosive.
	So if they could go to the moon on the first attempt, with one minute the computing power of a cell phone, we would have been on Mars ten years later, there'd be bases all over the moon, and we'd probably be in another solar system by now.
	So that proves it.
	And then finally, and then I'll let you guys talk, we have an eyewitness.
	As he was dying, fearing the judgment of God.
	I had to look it up.
	I had to pop in my own Bill Kaysing interview, which was edited out of the Fox special.
	And I'm like, didn't he say something about the Air Force?
	This guy was the chief of security at an Air Force base.
	Bill Kaysing said it was all done by the Air Force.
	And then every branch of the military has their Special Ops Intelligence Headquarters.
	Well, the Special Ops Intelligence Headquarters of the United States Air Force was at this guy's military base, Cannon Air Force Base in Clovis, New Mexico, of which he was the chief of security of the most secure Air Force Base.
	And as this guy is dying, whose name was Cyrus Eugene Akers, the first thing he says is, I'm a murderer.
	I want to just confess before I die, I killed somebody.
	His son is there, who is my source for the book, and he said, well, Dad, who did you kill?
	And he's like, well, I killed a co-worker at Cannon Air Force Base in 1968. The son is just horrified and shocked that his father did such a thing.
	So he's concerned for the dead man's relatives to give them closure.
	Did they just say the guy disappeared?
	So he brings in the military police to the great offense of his father and says, we need to get the record straight here.
	So he's watching the interview of the military police with his father, who was chief of security of Cannon Air Force Base in 1968. And they say, who did you kill?
	And he lists the name.
	And then the military police ask him, why?
	Why did you kill him?
	He said, well, they filmed the, quote, moon landing on a fake lunar set.
	Between two hangers, they took the wall down between them to make it bigger.
	They brought in lunar soil.
	They did a lunar background.
	They brought in a lunar module.
	President Johnson was there the first day of filming.
	He kept as a souvenir the list of 15 VIPs who were allowed in that President Johnson gave him.
	We publish it in the book at sabrell.com.
	He said, I had a co-worker who thought it was morally wrong.
	And it was.
	And he said he was going to...
	Tell the public.
	So I killed them to keep it a secret.
	Funny thing to make up as you're dying.
	So shadows intersecting is all the proof we need, but we also have them faking being halfway to the moon.
	We also have the logic.
	You can't have a thousand times better technology in 1969 than today, and we have an eyewitness.
	So, they faked the moon landing.
	You have to admit it.
	I'm sorry.
	I wish it were real.
	We would live in a better world.
	Thanks for the rant.
	Back to you two.
	I believe the video of that interview of The Sun is also on your website?
	Yeah, it's on the homepage of sabrell.com, S-I-B-R-E-L.com.
	For our audience, by the way, it's also a very powerful video, and I highly recommend watching it.
	I first got exposed when I was watching the Candace interview, and then I went to your website.
	So definitely go there, folks.
	Now, you also had an interesting interaction with one of the astronauts.
	Would you like to talk about that at all?
	Well, after the first film was produced, I guess from maybe watching courtroom dramas as a kid, you swear on the Bible, you're telling the truth or whatever.
	I thought, well, you know, I got this millionaire backing me.
	Why don't we track down as many Apollo astronauts as we can, set up an interview, and in the middle of the interview, we'll show them the fake footage, and then we'll ask them to swear in a Bible that they really walked on the moon or orbited the moon, whatever the case might be.
	So, we hired private detectives, probably spent $100,000 to $300,000 tracking down the astronauts.
	We even had the social security number of Neil Armstrong and his wife.
	And their cell phone and all that type of stuff, or telephone, whatever it was.
	And so that's when some of these incidences happen.
	That film is called Astronauts Gone Wild because one astronaut punched me, one astronaut kicked me, one astronaut threatened to punch me, another astronaut threatened to shoot me.
	And as Mike said, one astronaut, Edgar Mitchell.
	Which his reputation is, you know, being this guru of peace and love, right?
	Curses like a sailor.
	I showed him on a TV in his living room and his son, who was with him, the fake footage.
	He's like, where did you get this?
	He turns beet red, starts cursing, get out of my house, literally kicks me from behind.
	And in the commotion, you know...
	I forget I left a high-quality wireless microphone on him.
	And in the commotion, my camera operator forgets to hit stop record.
	So while the camera is in the back seat of the rental car, it's actually recording the audio of the wireless microphone in the astronaut's house with the door closed.
	About three months later, the film secretary, doing the transcript of all the conversations, so we have a written copy of it, calls me up frantically.
	Bart, Bart, Bart.
	Do you know what they're talking about before you return to get your $800 microphone?
	I have no idea what.
	They're talking about calling the CIA to have you killed.
	I'm like, that's pretty funny.
	She says, no, Bart.
	They're talking about calling the CIA to have you killed.
	And I'm like, that's pretty funny.
	She says, Bart, you're not hearing me.
	They're talking about calling the CIA to have you killed.
	So I get out the tape, I pop it in, I turn down, you know, one track, the camera mounted mic, and I turn up the wireless microphone input on the tape.
	And the son is saying to the father, you know, after I showed them proof that I knew they didn't go to the moon, do you want to call the CIA and have them whacked?
	Now, if I'm some silly person.
	Who thinks they filmed the, you know, moon landing at Cannon Air Force Base when they really went?
	Who cares?
	Why would the CIA be involved?
	However, if I'm correct, then the CIA would be involved.
	And as you know, when I found that footage, if you've read my book, you know, this would make its own feature film, I was literally followed Kidnapped and drugged with true serum and interrogated as to the location of the original tape, copies, and so forth.
	And back to the punch.
	If I walked on the moon and someone thought otherwise, I would find that hysterically funny.
	Really?
	You really think we did it in a TV's video?
	Are you okay?
	Do you want me to swear on a Bible?
	Sure!
	Would two make you feel better?
	Or three Bibles?
	But what it was...
	It's like I walked up to him in front of his wife and said, oh, your mistress says hello.
	You see, a sword with no point causes no injury.
	He reacted, and all these astronauts react because I'm right.
	That's why they're so angry.
	I showed Buzz Aldrin the footage, and astronauts gone wild.
	My book, as far as I know, is the first interactive book.
	There are 17 video links.
	I write a chapter and I say, look, go to sabrell.com link one so you'll understand chapter two and so forth and so on.
	And there's a clip of me before the punch showing Buzz Aldrin the footage of them.
	And he says, where did you get this?
	And he says, oh, this must make you some famous reporter for having discovered this.
	What an ego you must have to want to become famous this way.
	How could I be famous if I'm wrong?
	And then he says, look, we were just passengers.
	You know, you need to talk to NASA. I thought there were pilots who landed on the moon.
	See, they were just passengers opening the moon.
	So when he realized he just made two admissions and I was correct, he threatened to sue me if I showed those admissions to the public.
	You know, and I'm like, you know, please sue me.
	That would be excellent.
	Because they're afraid to go to court.
	And that's why most of them were afraid to swear on the Bible that they walked on the moon because it could be used as a video deposition in court, you see?
	Then they'd be guilty of perjury.
	Why did George Bush Jr. and Cheney agree to testify what they knew about 9-11 as long as it wasn't under oath?
	So they'll agree to testify about 9-11 as long as they have permission to lie?
	And someone thinks this is normal?
	I mean, this is our country.
	Our national heroes are liars.
	And people have Stockholm Syndrome.
	They're defending the people they hate.
	All because it's a positive lie.
	You can change the hats on who killed JFK and why, but he's still dead.
	It's a tragedy.
	You can change the hats on who did 9-11, but it's still a tragedy.
	This is a positive lie that people wanted to believe.
	So what people have to understand is, according to Robert Kennedy Jr., right, who has more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does, he said it's his researched opinion with 100% certainty.
	That the CIA killed his uncle, President Kennedy.
	Robert McNamara, Defense Secretary during the Vietnam War, went to the Pentagon, and the CIA said, look, the public is not interested in, you know, rescinding Kennedy's order to end the war.
	We need something like Pearl Harbor.
	Because prior to Pearl Harbor...
	On December 6, 1941, 90% of the public was against entering World War II. A day later, 90% were for it to get even.
	He said before he died, they made it up.
	The fake attack in the Gulf of Tonkin of a North Vietnamese ship on an American ship to enrage the public never happened.
	So people need to understand, if the CIA is willing to kill their own president, If they're willing to fake a war that killed 58,220 of their own people, I don't think they're going to have a problem faking a video image, especially when there's no independent press coverage, no eyewitnesses, no one's there, there's no proof, right?
	And they claim the moon rocks are proof.
	Well, one was opened up and it was a piece of petrified wood.
	They claim you can't fool people with hundreds of thousands of people involved, but you can.
	Because I talked to Eugene Krantz and he said a person in the command center can tell no difference.
	Whatsoever between a simulated flight and a real one is just numbers on a screen.
	Do you really think the CIA is so stupid to tell people making the glove or the boot or the door handle?
	They were really not going to the moon to tell anybody.
	That's like saying what a bank teller knows.
	And there are hundreds of thousands of bank tellers at Bank of America.
	What they know about corruption in the bank and the CIA is completely different.
	This is why only eight people of 129,500 knew that they were building the atomic bomb.
	And then why wouldn't Russia or China spill the beans?
	Well, I know someone who works for the Chinese Space Agency, and they say everybody knows the moon missions are fake.
	They're blackmailing NASA for space technology that Congress forbid them to receive.
	So they're being blackmailed.
	The most recent AI, that is multiple AIs hooked up together, just said...
	All the Apollo pictures are fake backdrops.
	Putin was there.
	We have a video at Sabrell.com of him being shown the AI results.
	Doesn't look surprised, but has said nothing about it.
	It's not on RT because they're blackmailing the United States.
	If Trump really wants to get the American public behind him, his number one tool, according to the NBC News Director.
	It's to tell the public that the moon missions are fake because that will enrage them.
	Well, it's interesting that he just announced that we're going to Mars, right?
	Yeah, well, I'm not sure what's going on there.
	I think that's part of Elon Musk's pretending.
	That we went to the moon.
	Because if he says we need to go to the moon first, that means they never went in the first place.
	So to pretend like they went, he has to make Mars' goal.
	Elon Musk is well aware that they faked the moon landing in a number of ways.
	He has to get NASA's cooperation.
	Any time he launches a rocket over 100 feet, he has to get the government's permission.
	And then he needs the launch center at Cape Canaveral.
	He's not going to rock the boat.
	He did say, however...
	That the Apollo missions are a technological and historical anomaly, meaning you can't have better technology in the past and in the future.
	Never happened in the history of the world.
	And then he said, in order to go to the moon, the rocket that he's building is actually slightly taller than the Saturn 5 moon rocket.
	He says, even with a taller rocket, you have to first ferry up a minimum of eight trips of fuel.
	A recent TED talk says it could be 24 trips of fuel.
	Then you'll have enough fuel to go to the moon.
	It's exactly what Von Braun said, which is one of the clips at sabrell.com.
	And then Musk indirectly said the moon missions were fake a third time because to land a rocket vertically, Elon Musk did with 600 million times more computing power than the lunar rocket.
	The first time he tried to land a rocket vertically, it blew up.
	It blew up the second time.
	It blew up the third time.
	It blew up the fourth time.
	With 600 million times more computing power to gimbal that thing down to the ground, it took five attempts, and yet the lunar module did it every single time with one 600 millionth of computing power.
	How about that one?
	There's another admission that they didn't go.
	And back to the CIA, you also have an audio of them threatening you.
	Is that on your website as well?
	Well, yeah, that's the astronaut and his son saying, do you want to call the CIA and have him whacked?
	Right.
	That's one of the clips at sabrell.com.
	I'm not sure which one, but if you go to the website, there's a button at the top, Moon Man video links, and all of these are connected with the book, but you don't have to buy it to see them.
	You can see them now, including A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, Astronauts Gone Wild, which contains that.
	And then, You know, in my book, I go into great detail how I was abducted by government agents when I was at the back door of CNN to get that tape broadcast back when CNN might have had some integrity before they were bought by the CIA. After all, it was only sold for $7 billion, which is half the price of an aircraft carrier.
	It's a very good investment for the CIA to buy.
	And so I go into great detail how I was abducted with truth serum and all of this that's not in the movie.
	I also go into great detail in the book of relatives' interviews that I did that I basically was instructed not to release until after their death.
	Now that's in the book.
	Including my interview of four hours of the widow of the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon, Virgil Grissom.
	Who was so angry at NASA for not fixing any of the problems?
	You know, I don't draw attention to this in my movie, but, you know, with the voiceover of the script, but in a funny thing happened on the way to the moon, maybe two-thirds of the way through, there's a shot of Neil Armstrong on, you know, on the ground in front of reporters, you know, demonstrating how he's going to pick up the first lunar sample with this pole and a bag on the end.
	And the bag falls off the pole.
	They can't get that to work days before going to the moon.
	Much less, you know, all this other stuff.
	So Virgil Grissom saw this.
	He said, you need to fix this, fix this, fix this, fix this, or it won't work.
	They didn't fix it because they knew they weren't going.
	He wrote to his congressman.
	He wrote to his senator.
	Something's wrong with this.
	Nothing was done.
	So frustrated.
	His wife told me days before he died.
	He was a bit of a gardener, so he went to his backyard that morning and he picked the largest lemon he could find.
	It was the size of a grapefruit, she said.
	And without permission, he invited a bunch of reporters to the top of the rocket where he affixed a lemon, calling it a piece of junk.
	It infuriated his superiors at the Pentagon.
	Days later, his wife told me this.
	She said on January 26, 1967, he came home from work and said the following, Hon, for some strange reason, the CIA is all over the launch pad today inspecting the equipment.
	I've been here for three years.
	I've never seen the CIA. Why did they show up today?
	The very next day, he's dead from faulty equipment.
	It's her opinion, not mine, with 100% certainty he was murdered by the CIA because he wouldn't participate in fraud at NASA. Now, for those who think, you know, the Constitution or anything like that is important, what's before the Constitution is the Declaration of Independence.
	That is actually a legal document.
	And what it says is, when any government, any in the entire world, We have legal authority to succeed from the United States as a state.
	And if Congress claims that they're Christians, which 90% of them do, the Bible says we have that right because it says if your unbelieving spouse wants to divorce you, you are to let them do so.
	Right?
	So what's the first one?
	Life.
	They're murdering their own people.
	Now, if you're in construction, out in the sun all day, you're literally sweating.
	And the government is taking a third of your sweat, and then they're using that money to fake moon landings, right?
	To kill Kennedy, and to pay the salaries of the CIA agents who murdered Virgil Grissom, because he wouldn't participate in the moon landing fraud.
	Does anybody care?
	Then there's a Liberty, this little thing we went through for the last three years, right, Mike?
	They said, you cannot have more than four people in your house at your son's birthday party.
	If you have fives, then we're going to turn off the electricity and we're going to drag you off to jail.
	Now, wait a minute.
	If one person is telling another person, I thought we had a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
	What they can and cannot do in their house with the doors closed, then that's slavery, not freedom.
	If one person tells you you can't open your business, that's slavery, not freedom.
	And then they have the audacity to say, you can't go to church when it says in the Constitution that the government will not establish or prohibit the free exercise of religion.
	They said you cannot have a wedding.
	Then they said you can have a wedding, but you can't dance.
	They said you can't go to church.
	Then they said you can't go to church, but you can't sing.
	That is slavery, folks.
	Hello?
	I don't care if 9 out of 10 people are dropping dead.
	It's your right to go out and shop under those circumstances and to open your business under those circumstances because there's still 10% of the population that needs tuna fish and toilet paper.
	You can advise us.
	But this is slavery.
	It's unbelievable.
	So they're destructive of life.
	They're destructive of liberty.
	And if going to church is your happiness, or opening your business, then they're destroying your right to happiness.
	This is the federal government.
	This is a hundred to a thousand times worse than what King George did.
	And does anybody care?
	About it?
	So the number one tool, according to NBC News Director, of bringing down the corruptive government, the corruption in the government, is to tell them the moon landing fraud is fake.
	Even though they may have killed fewer people than any other, you know, scheme that the government did, it will enrage the public.
	Both political parties participated in the moon landing fraud.
	Democratic Johnson was there, according to my eyewitness, and Republican Nixon gave it the thumbs up.
	Sounds like a great idea.
	You see that?
	If the public became aware they were duped, they were played for suckers.
	You would think...
	Mike and Bear, that I've had every revelation there is to have about the moon landing fraud.
	Wrong.
	I'm still having them.
	Five days ago, I wake up with another revelation.
	They didn't fake the moon landing just one time.
	I mean, I knew this, that they faked it six times, but it dawns on me, that's just so arrogant.
	I mean, they didn't just fake it once and that was it.
	They faked it again and again and again and again and again to melt more money to treat us like suckers.
	And I think there will be people like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher who, if Trump shows the world they fake the moon landing, they'll say, give the guy a chance.
	I didn't realize it was that bad.
	So, don't be afraid of telling the public that the moon missions are fake.
	If the president does that, he is complicit with it.
	Right?
	The truth sets us free.
	Therefore, lies make us slave.
	You can tell the truth about JFK and MLK and 9-11, but if you don't tell the truth about the moon landing fraud, we're still slaves.
	We need a new beginning, and it's the one disclosure that will cause that to happen and get public support from both parties to the president.
	And as I said in my opening comments, when we crack the shell on that one, then all the other ones follow.
	All the other false flags.
	You mentioned how we got into World War II. It's also how we got into...
	Getting the people behind decimating the entire Middle East by killing 3,000 people in buildings in New York, and so on and on and on.
	In my field in medicine, very early on in my career, I got my eyes open to a lot of the things that were going on.
	They were just killing people by the tens of thousands.
	Part of that was my involvement with...
	Treating AIDS people, you know, back in the 80s.
	And Fauci was in the, you know, up to his neck in that one, too.
	And then that was part of the whole PSYOP, you know, of a few years ago.
	So, yeah, it all ties together.
	Now, you know, in our time left, you know, it's very easy to understand.
	Why a fake moon landing could be used geopolitically and to siphon more funds and everything else.
	But I also believe, you know, a grand part of the PSYOP is just to get the new religion launched, which is science, you know, trust to science.
	And if we pull off technological feet to the magnitude of going to the moon, then, of course, you know, we're going to just...
	You know, have more of a tendency to trust the science, no matter how ludicrous it is when you really get in there and try to wrap your mind around it.
	So, I guess the big question is, what do you think?
	Just, you know, your own opinion is, how deep do they benefit in other ways, you know, beneath what we can just see on the surface?
	Well, there are multiple benefits.
	It's like when you get a new job, it's not just a higher salary.
	There's multiple benefits.
	It's closer to work.
	It's a more pleasant environment.
	I feel more useful.
	They have free coffee, whatever it is.
	There are multiple benefits to faking the moon landing.
	They embezzled probably 75% of the $250 billion.
	They trained the public to believe whatever they said on television.
	They may have temporarily fooled...
	You know, people with nuclear bombs that we have greater capability than they do.
	But the interesting thing that you pointed out first before that question is we've made a god of science.
	And the pinnacle of the god of science is the moon landing fraud.
	I talked to a college professor teaching aerospace at one of America's most prestigious universities.
	I showed him all this proof that they didn't go.
	He says, look, Bart.
	You'll never be able to convince me that the glorious moon landings are fake.
	And I said, well, what about this?
	What if you saw one of the Apollo astronauts on national TV tearfully confessing that the moon missions were fake?
	He said, I still think he walked on the moon anyway.
	He thinks he knows better than the guy who was there.
	Now, I think if an astronaut publicly confessed, it'd be over.
	But some people are like him.
	He has made a god out of it.
	People are offended when you say the moon landings are fake to the degree that I receive emails from people saying they wish they could watch me and my family burn alive before their eyes.
	Now, if that's not proof that I'm right indirectly, just like destroying all the technology.
	One of the clips on my website says they intentionally destroyed the technology.
	Would Bill Gates, after building the world's first computer, take all the schematics, all the drawing and the hardware and throw it into a furnace and say that was a fun project?
	No, they could have done that with the atomic bomb, but like I said, they were...
	A thousand times more powerful just ten years later.
	So why would they destroy all the technology, the blueprints, and the telemetry data as to where the rocket really was, and the original videotapes, which could be transferred to HD and see fake backdrops easier if they really went?
	That's the exact opposite of what they would do if they really went, which is actually proof that they didn't go.
	So we have this emotional attachment.
	That prevents people from seeing the truth.
	The ancient texts say, pride prevents you from seeing the truth.
	And at the beginning of A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, which is at sabrell.com, see it for free, we open up with the Tower of Babel to reach the heavens.
	It was never finished.
	A historic person once said, if you build a tower and you don't finish it, you're proclaiming your foolishness.
	Then we show the largest machine ever built by the hand of man, the Titanic, which said in print, the ship that God himself could not sink.
	Tower of Babel never finished.
	Titanic never made one voyage.
	And then Nixon, who didn't have the guts, To show up for the first launch, but the second one he did after they got away with it, said putting a man on the moon is second in greatness only to God making the universe.
	When he knew they weren't there.
	This is a blasphemous claim by a country that started out great that has fallen farther than we can imagine.
	Even anti-corruption podcasters believe the moon landings are real.
	They're defending their own criminals who they hate.
	It has to be shown it has gotten that bad.
	If this is released, the public will go, ah, you'll hear a pin drop.
	It will be like a cold glass of water being thrown in every American's face.
	They wake up.
	They realize they've been sleepwalking for years.
	And then they look down.
	And they're one foot away from a cliff.
	The moon landing fraud is the best and most powerful weapon to bringing down the deep state.
	Don't be afraid to use it.
	It's the key tool to showing people how bad it has become.
	People have made a god out of it.
	That needs to be destroyed as well if you believe in the real God.
	So that's the truth.
	As sad as it is, I defended the moon landings as long as I possibly could.
	But when I popped in that tape and saw them faking part of the moon mission right in front of my eyes, I just teared up.
	I'm like, wow.
	They really did fake the moon landing.
	How sad is that?
	And because the faking of the moon landing is more profound than if they really went, we can't have a cure for cancer being hidden.
	The public has to know the truth or our government and the world will never go forward.
	You know, I was thinking, Bart, they were able to pull off that fakery in the 60s.
	Imagine what they're faking now.
	With the AI and everything, you know, it's like all the stuff we see in the news from the wars to the, you know, stuff in the air recently in New Jersey and all that.
	Imagine the technology increase from there because technology is exponential.
	Technology is also deflationary.
	So for them to say that they can't afford to do it anymore is nonsense, because a calculator in 1960 would cost a couple hundred dollars.
	Now a calculator costs $2.
	You know, that's an excellent point I've never heard before, Mike.
	Well, that's what we do here.
	You know, and one other question, too, you know, I have is, do you...
	Because, you know, who are the real witnesses, right?
	Who are the real witnesses?
	Because it's compartmentalized.
	Well, we would say the astronauts and whoever's on the film set, etc.
	Maybe Kubrick was.
	I don't know.
	But with that, these witnesses being the astronauts, could it potentially be that they were MKUltrad and that they had fractured psyches where they truly maybe believed they went?
	Because of them being mind-controlled.
	I've thought about that, and that's not the case.
	I looked into it.
	First of all, a good example of MKUltra is Sirhan Sirhan.
	If you look at his, you know, writings afterwards, he, like, repeats the same thing a hundred times, you know, when he's, like, zombified.
	He was likely there, and he likely fired a gun, but it was probably up into the air.
	The guy looks extremely docile and mild-mannered that I'd let babysit, you know, my grandchild.
	The problem with that is he doesn't have it, you know, he can't really fire a gun.
	Accurately because he's in a trance.
	You need someone with sharp mind to fire that gun accurately.
	You need someone with a sharp mind to lie.
	About, you know, going to the moon and all those technical details involved.
	Someone did body language analyzing of the interviews I've done with the astronauts and they say with 100% certainty.
	A body language expert who believed that the moon landings are real looked at my interview with Buzz Aldrin or an interview with Neil Armstrong and they said...
	I guess I'll have to recant because 100% that they lied.
	So they probably considered that as a possibility, but you have to have sober, sharp people to get away with this lie.
	You cannot trust hypnosis.
	It would be too dangerous.
	It might backfire.
	One of the most interesting interviews I saw of Buzz was when he was doing a story time for children.
	And the young girl asked him about going to the moon and he paused and said, well, actually, we never went there.
	Have you seen that one?
	Yeah, I have.
	That was some time ago.
	I think it was recorded almost 10 years ago, but it didn't become viral until like three years ago.
	Yeah, he said we didn't go.
	And if we didn't go, it's important to know why.
	You know, it's amazing.
	Fact checkers can say he said he didn't go.
	I remember.
	Reading an article, the headline was, a certain medicine will not alter your DNA. That was the topic in big bold.
	And the very last sentence of that same article says, well, it does alter your DNA, but just by a tiny bit.
	And so fact checkers can twist what's said right out in the audience, and of course that's just another form of censorship.
	If it's a fact checker, it must be true.
	Now, if someone uses that title...
	Then you can guarantee there's a 99% chance they're covering up the truth.
	I mean, that's just what it is.
	And so he made an admission there.
	He made an admission in my film, Astronauts Gone Wild.
	He said he was only a passenger, meaning he never piloted anything.
	He said that I was correct and that I would become famous for revealing this information.
	I wouldn't be famous if I was wrong, right?
	And then we have another astronaut saying...
	Or talking with his son about having me killed by the CIA, which wouldn't be necessary if we really went.
	So those people are eyewitnesses.
	Like Mike said, the problem is if only one of them faked the moon landing, maybe they would have come forward by now.
	But the problem is any confession of any of them in their minds is implicating everybody else.
	It'd be like me and 10 friends robbed a bank.
	I become a Christian.
	I want to clear the air.
	And I say, I did it.
	And here's the name and phone numbers of all the other people who did it.
	You know what I mean?
	So there's probably something called a tontine where the last surviving person will, you know, come forward.
	Or the president could say, you either come clean publicly or I'm going to throw you in jail as a traitor.
	You know what I mean?
	Buzz Aldrin was once my hero.
	He could become my hero again.
	By telling the truth.
	All the people involved in the moon landing fraud, JFK, MLK, 9-11, whatever it is, should be granted complete amnesty so that we get the truth.
	Their elderly are going to face God's judgment anyway.
	Give them amnesty, change their name, put them in a witness protection program, whatever.
	The truth is more important than individual retribution.
	You think that's why Elon's so close to Trump, just to counter this from happening?
	He's put in there to keep Trump from even coming up with this idea.
	I was just thinking, you know, we get 100,000 letters to him or we get a mass action campaign going and get 100,000 people to send him a request to really look into this.
	Because Trump, you know, does seem like somebody that could possibly be into that, but then he's got his boy Musk right here, his controller, who I call, I think, Elon Musk personally is like MKUltrad or something off with that guy.
	But it makes you wonder, huh, why he's so close to Trump.
	Well, the thing is, and I have a podcast that talks about this called Box Escape.
	There's a button on my website.
	Alternative media people can be misled.
	I remember about this little scenario that went on for the last three years, seeing a video from someone's balcony of the Chinese rolling through their whatever city with fumigating trucks to get rid of some sort of illness.
	That's exactly what they would do if it was real.
	Therefore, they could have staged that to get us to believe it.
	And so that theory that it came from a medical facility accidentally...
	Is misinformation also.
	See, they don't care why you believe the illness is real as long as you do.
	They have one lie for the general public.
	It came from an animal.
	And another lie for the, you know, conspiracy people.
	Okay, I'm going to let you in on a real secret here.
	It came from a medical facility.
	Both are lies.
	Same with the moon landing fraud.
	There's the lie for the general public, and there's a lie for the UFO people.
	Okay, you know, yeah, the pictures aren't real, but it was only to commune with...
	So we have to be careful.
	There's all this, you know, enticing information.
	They can lead the public astray.
	They can mislead alternative media.
	Elon Musk has gotten a lot of bad rap lately, even in the alternative media.
	I think because he is honest is why he's receiving that.
	And if the alternative media...
	Community can criticize him.
	That'll help take him down.
	He could be there to help Trump tell the truth about this.
	And so we got to be careful.
	We can be deceived too.
	You know, don't go by first appearances here.
	The fact is, the truth will set us free.
	The lies enslave us.
	and it's up to the president to do what he thinks is best.
	And if Trump really believes in God, he has to do what is spiritually best, which is to tell the truth.
	Otherwise, he's complicit with it.
	You can't sweep it under the rug.
	Every president before him sweeped it under the rug.
	If he does that again, he might as well have faked the moon landing himself.
	Well, I think it's very interesting that you haven't got an invite from Tucker yet with all the other exposure you've had there, So that's going to be Fun to see if anything happens here.
	Well, I did an interview with Glenn Beck a couple of years ago, and he had me on audio for 10 minutes, and then he had on one of the Apollo astronauts after me on video for an hour, and he praised him for being a national hero or whatever.
	This is further sad, because this is the only Apollo astronaut that claims to be a Christian.
	It's pretty sad.
	And so you have somebody like Glenn Beck, who is sincere, but sincerely wrong.
	And if, what was the name, Pierre or Pierce Morgan can come out and say he was wrong, Tucker can do it.
	Glenn Beck can do it.
	Because the fact is, they did fake the moon landing, so that gentleman he had on, Charles Duke, is complicit with homicides.
	You know, that's like being co-conspirator in homicides, because his participation, you know, steamrolled those homicides to take place.
	It's one of those taboo subjects.
	You know, the thing about Tucker Carlson is, he...
	He said initially that Trump's phone calls being spied on is absurd as the moon landing's being fake.
	He actually said that.
	And he later admitted the NSA did spy on the president's phone conversations.
	First of all, there was proof that that happened beforehand when a transcript of Trump and a world leader was published in the New York Times.
	How could someone get a transcript of a phone conversation in the White House?
	The CIA, of course.
	You see, so you didn't really need any proof.
	And so he has to remember that.
	If, you know, listening to the private conversations of the President of the United States is absurd as them faking the moon landing, if one is true, he needs to look at the other one according to his own standard.
	He has to prove he has an open mind about everything.
	You see, This has become a god for people.
	Glenn Beck, in his mind, is like, I know America has gotten bad, but at least we went to the moon.
	No, it's worse.
	Do you want to know you have one tumor?
	Oh, gosh, is it that bad?
	Or do you really want to know if you have another one?
	Or is just knowing you have one enough to save your life?
	You see, it has gotten that bad.
	We have to face facts.
	And so, will Tucker Carlson face facts?
	Will he have an actual open mind?
	I sent him my book to his private studio.
	You know, a year or so ago, I keep sending emails to his, you know, news tip hotline.
	Never seems to respond.
	I hate to give up.
	I'm not one person to give up.
	He seems really sincere.
	You know, Fox News is not your friend.
	Otherwise, they wouldn't have fired Tucker Carlson.
	Their number one show that gets 100 million views every episode?
	They canceled that?
	Fox News is running cover for the deep state.
	I know this personally.
	Because three years ago, or no, it was two years ago.
	The former director of the Russian Space Agency publicly said the moon missions are fake.
	The next day, Fox News calls me up.
	They say, Bart, we're going to do a special about whether the moon landings are real or not, but just to let you know the truth, we haven't read your book, we haven't seen your evidence, and irregardless, we will conclude that the moon missions are real to reassure the public.
	So I watched their special.
	They quote in their special, a Russian scientist from 1969 who said, congratulations.
	So they said, see, the Russians believe we went to the moon.
	But they didn't mention six weeks earlier when the former Russian space director said it was fake.
	There's not a single news story, not even RT, who covered Putin being shown by the most advanced not available public AI said the moon missions were fake a year ago.
	Nobody covers that story.
	So either Google's $1 billion, one-decade investment in the neural network that's still not available to the public, it's a complete piece of junk that can't tell whether a simple photograph studying the pixels are geometrically aligned in the foreground with the background.
	It's just a piece of junk.
	Or they didn't go to the moon.
	Which one do you think is true?
	I mean, come on, people.
	How much more proof do you need?
	So, maybe they need more.
	That's okay.
	It took me seeing them faking part of the moon mission right in front of my eyes for me to accept it.
	Maybe we need an astronaut confession.
	Maybe we need, you know, Trump to bring it forward to say, look, at some point, if that is done, like I said, Bill Maher and...
	You know, all these people will say, look, I was wrong.
	The guy, even though he may have different opinions than other people, he's still intelligent.
	He's still objective.
	He's still willing to admit that he's wrong.
	He has proven that.
	So, maybe that's what it'll take.
	I don't know much more.
	People are holding out for the final piece of proof.
	I guess it's going to have to be an astronaut or the government admitting it.
	Well, this has been great, Bart.
	I know you're going to have to get going here pretty soon, but in closing, do you have any other projects in the works, related or otherwise?
	Well, one person contacted me that said they wanted to make a movie of my book about me being chased by the CIA or whatever.
	You know, sure.
	Send me money so I can buy more solar panels.
	Then I'm producing a feature film with a $7 million budget starring Ron Perlman and produced by him as well that I hope will get made.
	And then my mainly...
	My daily task is to try to repent of my sin, so I'm not a hypocrite, and paying my bills, you know.
	So, want to help me do that?
	Go to sabrell.com, buy a copy of Moonman that I produced with my blood, sweat, and tears, and you'll see the entire backstory about this, including my encounters with CIA agents who were trying to suppress the truth.
	Well, thank you so much for sharing your remarkable experience.
	And Mike, I know you and I are just going to have a little chat with our audience for a short while after here.
	So I'll let you take it from here.
	Yeah, thanks so much, Bart.
	And everybody, remember to please go check out his website.
	It's in the show notes below.
	Very simple.
	Seabrell.com.
	A ton of fantastic videos on there that really illustrate in a very...
	Easy to understand and visualize the logical fallacies around this entire hoax.
	So go check that out.
	Support the man.
	And that would be great to have that movie come out.
	We're rooting for you.
	And we wish you the best of luck with everything you're doing.
	And yeah, if anybody's watching this, listening to this, that has ideas on how to network a petition...
	To Trump and to the current administration, if we get hundreds of thousands of signatures petitioning this for a new investigation into this very important topic, I think...
	I mean, the dude's talking about ending income tax.
	So, you know, like, this is...
	I'm taking these little wins here.
	I'm not...
	So, Bart, Bear and I are...
	We're voluntarious.
	We see no value in government and put no faith in any quote-unquote...
	Well, you said two brilliant things so far.
	The first is technology is financially deflationary.
	That's a brilliant point.
	And so is the petition.
	Now, I know during, I think, somebody's term, whether it was Obama or Biden or Trump, there was at the White House, there were petitions that you could do.
	And once it reached a certain number, and that number may...
	I think we could get 100,000, because right now, about 25% of the population doubts the authenticity of the moon landings.
	So that's millions of people.
	And we only need 100,000.
	So I would look into the White House website, see if they're still doing that petition form thing or not.
	Yep, yep.
	Yeah, our good friend Sayer G, they garnered over 100, I think 20,000 emails sent to Congress to back up RFK Jr. in the current hearing.
	So yeah, this is the way we do it, guys.
	Bart, thanks so much.
	We'll let you go.
	And we appreciate you so much and look forward to all of the future offerings you have for us.
	Well, yeah, and if it's all right, I'll share the link for this interview or the interview itself.
	If you want me to upload it to my YouTube channel, I can do that to make it more popular and just send me a link to it when it's done.
	Wonderful.
	We would be more than honored, and that is actually another way that we win.
	Because we're not here to compete.
	We're not here like the old paradigm where everyone's competing and everybody's got to have their IP. No, this is about collaboration.
	This is about decentralization.
	That's how we win.
	You know, even if we're looking to win, that's another false dialectic, right?
	Now we want to win.
	We want to win against the people who fake the moon landing.
	What's my last name, Bart?
	What's my last name?
	Well, even though we should love our enemy, right?
	It has been said, unless you love your enemy, you're no better than a pagan, right?
	If you believe in God.
	We have to have compassion on people.
	No one is righteous, not even one.
	People are lost souls, including Bill Gates and George Soros and all those people.
	We shouldn't hate them.
	We should hate what they do and have compassion on them that they became what they are.
	But they're not hopeless.
	No one is hopeless from change.
	I totally agree.
	Thank you, Bart, so much.
	Have a wonderful rest of your day, evening, wherever you're at in the world.
	And hopefully we can maybe, I don't know, down the line, have you back on.
	Alrighty, I wrote another book called Aliens from Planet X, which talks about aliens may be spiritual beings rather than extraterrestrial creatures.
	Now, that would be a good conversation.
	Yeah, and I also, the second half is about the rogue planet X, which could be true also, and how the two may come together.
	If planet X goes by, even though it's a dead world, it would be the perfect opportunity to falsely claim the sudden appearance of aliens came from that passing planet, you see.
	Or it could be confused, there's ideas around the second sun, that there's actually a second sun, and that's what...
	They've confused Planet X to be.
	Yeah, that would be a great conversation to have.
	And extraterrestrial could also mean they're just from other parts of the...
	Oh, and I have a third book I forgot to mention.
	So I just released a book called The Great Earth Hoax for Children.
	And it's about the moon people faking a trip to Earth.
	That's great.
	So I have a children's book at sabrell.com too.
	That's great.
	I think it's the first conspiracy book for children.
	Our unschooling, all of our unschooling community will love that.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's great.
	And that can all be found on your website, surrell.com.
	So guys, go check that out.
	I mean, this is the kind of gravy, the kind of stuff that our community loves.
	So that book will be a big hit.
	Well, God bless.
	Take care.
	Send me the link and I'll share it.
	And we'll be in touch.
	Stay in touch with each other.
	Thanks a lot.
	Take care.
	God bless.
	That was great.
	You know what's funny, Bear?
	He just covered in 35 minutes what took three hours on Rogan to cover last June.
	And also, there's a lot more that he hasn't revealed, and I think our audience can pick up on some little nuances.
	You know, that he's entertaining some ideas more than just, you know, the moon landing hoax.
	And for some of our audience that, you know, really does question the science and has followed some of our episodes in the past, some other bits of information, of course, that would preclude the impossibility of a moon landing, are the fact that, you know, we're even looking at...
	What is the nature of our realm to begin with?
	Is the moon even outside of our so-called atmosphere?
	And questioning what the moon is actually made of as far as the substance.
	Is it a plasma field?
	Are these so-called rocks out there actually planets?
	Just a lot to look at.
	I think you could extrapolate that.
	The great hoax of the moon landing is really the great hoax of the belief in NASA, right?
	And it was the big propaganda that NASA is actually a real agency doing things versus a propaganda arm for scientism.
	And that is, I think, really, I think Bart would totally agree with that.
	That's a no-brainer.
	And why I brought up the notion of what are they faking now, because...
	The annual budget for NASA is mind-blowing.
	How much do they get a day?
	It's like $30 million a day or something.
	And where is all that money going if really most of this is CGI? What are they really funding?
	And where are they really going?
	And this could maybe tie into Antarctica.
	This could tie into inner Earth, extraterrestrial areas outside that we don't know about.
	Maybe FPV, Angels in the chat, you know, they're actually exploring east-west from the outer zones we're not allowed to go through.
	You know, there's so much...
	We can ask around that, because why?
	All this effort, the traditional narrative, you know, being the Cold War front and all that, doesn't hold so much water, and I do appreciate BART's going there saying that, you know, this is all about keeping the fear and the truth, the belief in government.
	I've shared my experience before, well, definitely with you, Mike, but I think also on another episode a long time ago that I had a private audience with Frederick Bell, who is the great-great-grandson of Alexander Graham Bell, and he was considered a child prodigy of sorts, where he worked within NASA from the time he was 14 years old.
	When I got together with him in the early 80s, He had cut ties with NASA, whatever the heck NASA is, and he was going into a private enterprise, but in this little group that I was part of,
	he related to us that the whole so-called rocket science was a scam, and, you know, just a show, and that, in fact, there were much more advanced technologies that...
	You know, don't rely on archaic rocket principles and combustion, but that actually harness the ethers in a similar way that Victor Schauberger did with his inventions and so forth, and that they were capable of great things.
	And of course, we've all heard of a lot of stories of those kinds of technologies coming from, you know, so-called Antarctica, you know, whatever that is.
	So, yeah, there's a lot that's been hidden from us.
	And just, you know, from Frederick, it was a big subterfuge to keep us from what already exists and what could transform our realm overnight.
	Did he ever talk about the Nazis and any of that stuff?
	No, he never used, you know, those terminologies or talked about groups of people.
	Just said that he was, in fact, on board.
	With a lot of these vessels that could, you know, do amazing things that, you know, would not be possible with rocket technology.
	He never talked about going to other planets or extraterrestrials, but did talk about being in these vessels with individuals who were the architects of them.
	And he learned a great deal as far as how they worked.
	And, you know, their use.
	So, for what it's worth.
	Yeah.
	That was in the early 80s.
	Wow.
	You know, a lot of what I've come to learn since then, I didn't know then.
	So, it was really an interesting gathering.
	And then he was in San...
	He's passed since, but he was in San Francisco with his private enterprise.
	Wow.
	Yeah, and it just makes...
	Sense to me, whenever I think of rocket propulsion in the vacuum of space, what's it pushing against?
	How is it moving?
	That doesn't make any sense to me.
	And of course, then we also have to question concepts such as gravity.
	So, a lot to unpack there.
	Yeah, it's a cascading effect.
	For those who may be saying, well, there's...
	You know, this is...
	Okay, he's not...
	Bart's not going far enough.
	He's not questioning space itself or, you know, the shape of the realm.
	Everything happens in baby steps.
	And, you know, it's...
	I, you know, we question the point of government and why Trump's in office.
	Is he, you know, why put any energy into that?
	Well, I'm telling you what, there's some wins right now happening here in the United States with that.
	And, you know, and I do see these...
	You know, I'm here with eight or seven or eight awesome awake dudes at this retreat.
	And this is all we've been talking about all week, by the way.
	It's just like how Bart finished, for instance, like the nature of a Bill Gates.
	And like, can you forgive that?
	And can that person change?
	And like, we've been talking about all that stuff.
	And really deep philosophical ponderings around all that.
	And I think in the end, like the great takeaway is that everything is...
	progressing forward in a way that seems right now towards an awakening.
	And even not saying that someone like Bill Gates would have an awakening and change his tune, but that doesn't mean that he can't have redemption on his deathbed.
	We talked about the Christ, and that's the main message of, you know, that's like one of the main messages of Christianity.
	And so, yeah, I love that Bart said that.
	And if we can have the grace and let go of the ego and let go of needing to be right and to be the all-knowing ones that have the model, that proves the shape, that knows that my way is the way, and just be more open to questioning, more open to seeking.
	And, you know, as Bear, you and I were talking before we went on today, you know, like about, you know, questioning everything, which as a true scientist should, that's going to serve us a lot more than bickering over shapes of places and models and all that.
	So, man, I appreciate Bart so much for all he's done in his life.
	Unfortunately, the podcast world has become rife with adversarial relationships and people attacking each other just because you might have a different idea of, you know, the nature of our realm.
	And then everybody gets called out on the carpet.
	Even some of our good friends, you know, get caught up in that.
	And what we've done from the start is, you know, We're skeptics, but I don't think either one of us claimed to.
	We entertain guests from a wide variety of circles and listen, and I, for one, learn quite a bit.
	And, you know, just maybe to leave it, you know, with the conversation about nobody is beyond redemption, one of my favorite book series is the Teachings of the Masters of the Far East.
	And what's remarkable about...
	That book series is it was actually chronicling the adventures of the British government who commissioned an expedition to the far reaches of the Far East back at that time when, you know, places where Western men had never gone before and they went there because they had all of these reports that were coming to them through different channels that talked about these remarkable men.
	And so they wanted to understand if this was true and who these remarkable people were.
	And it was an expedition that was intended to be several months.
	It ended being 20 years.
	And sure enough, after several years, they found themselves in these remote villages walking and talking with the masters, including Jesus.
	And in one particular meeting, Jesus, who was giving a discourse, we'll say, was also accompanied by an individual who played the role of Pontius Pilate during that time.
	And part of the whole teaching was that he played a certain role, which was the person that actually stabbed Jesus in the back by turning him over.
	At least that's what we're led to believe, but Jesus said he was playing a particular role that was necessary at the time.
	So we really don't know what different people are up to until we all get to the other side and have a good conversation from a higher altitude.
	And on that note, too, I'd just like to add that it's truly, and what we try to embody here, it's the journey.
	It's the journey that matters, not where you end up, right?
	I mean, obviously, you want to end up in a good place, and that's the point of the journey, but it's really the journey of seeking and finding yourself that, in the end, you find is where it's really at, right?
	And more entertaining than any possible movie you could concoct.
	Indeed.
	Yeah, we've been talking a lot about The Masters this week here.
	Got some books at one of my favorite shops in Shasta on my way here.
	And we've been going deep into a lot of that stuff related to what you were just talking about.
	So we might have to do a show one of these days specifically about those books because there's so much great, great wisdom in those.
	Well, Barrett?
	Anything else to finish this out?
	I will say, guys, I'm about a month away, maybe a little, actually, God, three weeks away from being in Mexico at Anarchapoco.
	If you guys are coming out, great to see you there, and that's going to be a lot of fun.
	Let's see what else is going on, Bear.
	Any news from the farm?
	I know you and Deb are working on some exciting things around the farm, media, and educating people about off-grid elegance.
	Any news on that front?
	Yeah, just that we're busy, busy, and so you'll see a lot of content dropping with that.
	For some of our customers, we're in a transition where all the good stuff will remain, but there's going to be a lot of upgrades and things, so you might notice some.
	Things are out of stock, but they're coming back better than ever.
	And of course, we don't do a lot of infomercials and things, but it is part of our whole prototype of showing people how they can...
	Live off-grid, farm, and then be an integral component in the community to be decentralized and independent.
	So that's our whole mission statement.
	It's kind of morphed.
	It keeps getting bigger and bigger, which is a good sign.
	But we've got that happening.
	And yeah, just all good stuff.
	We're going to hit the spring running this year.
	And so a lot of good things on the way.
	Yeah, I can't wait.
	It's always a fun ride, guys, when you're the captain of your own ship.
	And that's what we try to do here in terms of how we run Alpha Vedic and the products that we deliver to you.
	So you can find out more at alphavedic.com, A-L-F-A-V-E-D-I-C.com.
	And we've got a great private community there.
	Check that out.
	Really, community is where it's at.
	And we're here to support each other on this wonderful journey of truth, love, and freedom.
	And you know what's important to Deb and I, just a word to our fellow Grey Panthers out there.
	You know, we're mid-70ish, pushing 80, all that kind of stuff.
	But you know what keeps you young is having purpose and passion.
	And so many of the folks that we grew up with are enjoying their retirement, I suppose.
	They're sounding old and acting old and to the point where we don't even like to hang with them anymore.
	We're not meant to just kind of wither away and do nothing.
	I don't care how much money you've amassed for your retirement fund.
	It's a time of life where you really have more to offer because you've got a lot of experience under your belt.
	So that's another one of our messages that we hope to get across is just to reactivate the geriatric crowd and mobilize and realize that you're a big part of the equation.
	So don't just disappear off into the sunset.
	And on that, so Bear, there's a guy here at, we're here at Palisades, which is a phenomenal mountain, and one of the gentlemen here with us, shout out to you, Mick, he's been guiding us on the mountain, and he was just telling us a story about Ragnar.
	Here at the mountain at Squaw, well, now Palisades, who is a guide, an instructor, and guess how old he is?
	Well, he doesn't want you to ever say age.
	He actually does not like that because, in his mind, I guess age is a construct.
	He's 83 years old, and he's still there five days a week.
	He doesn't do the weekend anymore.
	It's too busy, but he's five days a week still instructing people in the passion of his life, which is skiing.
	And there you go.
	Great example, right?
	So find your passion, find your vocation, and live it till the day you decide to sit down and unfold out of this reality.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Brilliantly said.
	So, Michael, I hope you get a couple more runs.
	Get one in for me, and we'll see you soon back in the hood here.
	Yeah, headed back shortly.
	We got snow on the way.
	It's going to hit in the morning finally, so we'll get some fresh runs tomorrow.
	And then, yeah, it's coming to the farm too.
	Buckle down with that, guys.
	Tomorrow.
	Okay, my friend.
	So have fun.
	Good chat, as always.
	And to the rest of our audience out there, love you a lot.
	Thanks for tuning in.
	Thanks, guys.
	We'll see you on the flip side next Thursday.
	We'll be back at 10 a.m.
	Pacific time.
	Later, guys.

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