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it it is a Germanic dictatorship and that's how they initially started running this operation.
So I can tell you exact date when they started running this operation.
By they, I mean, so the person who kind of pulled the trigger on the DoD side, his name is Colonel Matthew Hepburn.
He was at DARPA at the time, or Defense Advanced Research.
So he was a DARPA at the time.
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I'm Sarah Westall.
I have Sasha Latipova coming to the program.
She's really interesting.
She's amazing, actually.
She was an executive at Big Pharma and R&D, and she's been working with...
Catherine Watt, who has a legal background, and together they're putting amazing information together on what really happened during COVID. She did a report for Senator Ron Johnson and for Robert Kennedy Jr., which they have in their hands, and you're going to hear a lot about that today.
You're also going to hear that the Constitution was suspended.
It's all the weird things that you saw and how these court cases weren't, people weren't winning obvious court cases.
Things were being overturned.
It's because they were claiming that the Constitution was suspended.
So they were acting like we were at war.
And so people like us are targets of war in the way that they were treating us.
And still today, apparently, the Constitution is still suspended.
So that's what we have going on is a bunch...
Yahoo's running around in Congress with the suspended Constitution.
And during J6, one of the judges put out there why the Sixth Amendment wasn't available to one of the people on trial.
She's going to explain this whole story.
He said because the Constitution was suspended.
So there you go.
There's just so much evidence of this.
It's really sad.
She's going to explain what happened, going to bring in the who, what's the deal, what she thinks about with the World Health Organization, us leaving that.
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Okay, let's get into my really interesting conversation with Sasha Latipova.
Hi, Sasha.
Welcome to the program.
Hi, Sarah.
How are you?
I'm good.
You've come highly recommended.
Everybody was telling me I need to get you on the show, which is good.
You have a lot of fans out there and actually you have a lot of respect, which is actually even the best, right?
So I want to ask you, there's a lot of movement going on with the new administration.
There's also a lot that has come out over the years with all the research you and others have done.
I think the most jaw-dropping thing that many people don't realize yet is just how closely involved the Department of Defense was to the entire rollout of the vaccine and the whole whatever agenda they had.
Can you talk about what your research has found?
What most of the public doesn't realize is that COVID overall wasn't a public health event at all and wasn't treated as a public health event by the US law and most of the international law.
Several colleagues have traced The legal structure that was utilized both in the US and, first of all, in the so-called Five-I countries, which is UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, EU. And then,
in addition, also coordination through NATO. So the laws that have been used to declare a pandemic worldwide, it was military law.
And the event was treated as if it was a so-called seaborne attack or chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons attack.
Even though they wouldn't admit that it was a biological weapon, they used the laws of a biological weapon to implement everything.
Right.
So, as you've seen, only now the intelligence agencies admit that this was a...
Some sort of a bioweapon, bioengineered virus, which is a second layer of lies, but let's address it a little bit later.
The first layer of lies that was pushed on all of us for now five years and counting is that this was some sort of a zoonotically evolved virus that jumped from bat in a wet market.
And I remember very distinctly that I was...
Cancelled and banned on Twitter immediately when suggesting that this was a lie.
And, you know, so many other people were also, it was forbidden to say anything about a possibility that this was some sort of a chemical weapon or weapon used or even not a weapon, it's just them lying about it.
But, you know, everyone was pushed this idea that this is A natural evolution of a virus because too many people in other theories like climate change, too many people on the planet.
So all these other fake theories were added on to justify that yes, this dangerous virus evolved.
And we were so prepared.
Our government was so prepared.
To make vaccines in, you know, a weekend for it.
So all this nonsense was pushed on people for years, brainwashing, propaganda from all mainstream media sources.
Anybody who suggested otherwise were cancelled immediately.
And, you know, but the way to actually find the truth is a very good mechanism, is to look at the laws that are being utilized for everything, and then look at the court.
My friend Catherine Watt, who also writes on Substack, she's traced a lot of the legal frameworks.
And until I met her and until I read her materials, there were a lot of questions in my mind unanswered.
I was looking more from the regulatory perspective, from what FDA was doing, because that's my background and I understand it better.
And a lot of things didn't make sense to me.
Their behavior was terrible.
They were doing things that were...
We're extremely dangerous, putting public at extreme risk.
And, you know, yeah, we know a lot of people died and got injured because of their actions.
And they're still continuing, actually, the same thing.
So they haven't changed any behavior.
So there was a question in my mind, how are they able to get away with all of this?
Yeah, and just keep going, and nobody...
It seems like the entire Congress, the entire world is allowing them to just be tyrants.
Exactly.
So the entire, everyone was allowing them to be tyrants, to continue pushing nonsense about, well, the lockdowns, not being able to treat people with generic medicines.
They prosecuted doctors.
They're still prosecuting doctors for it.
And so in my mind was how are they able to get away with this?
And then...
So it wasn't just the Congress.
So the courts also, what Catherine Watt pointed out to me early on, she was following several court cases where the early on, you know, the lockdowns and then later mandates were questioned based on the constitutional grounds, saying, you know, the Constitution of the United States is explicit about protecting the business owners, for example, from the government coming in and taking away their businesses.
They destroyed so many lives.
It destroyed the economy.
It destroyed people's lives, people's businesses.
So we have a constitution, a document that says explicitly government is not allowed to do that.
Yet they were doing that.
And so when somebody would file a court case, even in those cases where the judge initially ruled based on constitutionality and said, yeah, that's...
Yes, you should, you know, so ruled for the plaintiff.
In about a few weeks, that ruling would be reversed.
And subsequent to that, all the courts...
Hold on, they would appeal it and then the higher court would reverse it.
Yeah, it wasn't even that.
It looked like even in some cases the same judge reversed decision, strangely.
And in other cases, there were appeals, but again, it was very quickly squashed.
Early on, I guess, what happened now, in retrospect, we can say some of the courts received the notification that the Constitution is suspended.
It is suspended, actually.
And that's what Catherine, the conclusion that she arrived at.
And other judges, maybe lower-ranked state or...
Didn't know and then somebody, you know, read them in.
But what we also found out that subsequent to that all the courts refused to ever look at any constitutional on any of these cases as a constitutional.
So they're not allowed to.
They say that the Constitution has been frozen.
You can't use it anymore.
Yeah, so what I recently found, and this was on X, I can send you the link.
I think the name of the journalist is Sarah Farris.
Okay.
I'm not following her very much, but she has quite a bit of following.
She was posting several stories about the J6 prisoners that are now being pardoned.
One of them wrote a very long thread, which I read just yesterday, so I'm telling you what I found.
It's a long thread, and he explains his case, how everything went on, which is...
A complete atrocity.
And this person who was arrested, he's actually himself a police officer.
And so he knew the rights and so forth.
And at some point he writes that when he was detained, arrested, he read some ridiculous, by US marshals, he read some ridiculous allegations that he had to sign off on and he had no choice.
They took away all his business.
It was a complete sort of, just, I don't know, without any...
They took over his life.
They just completely...
Yeah, they took over his life.
He was charged with a trespass on the lawn.
Okay, that's what he was charged with.
Now, when he went in front of the judge first, and he said, well, I have a constitutional right for a speedy trial and a fair trial, a Sixth Amendment, the judge explicitly says, and he named the judge in this thread, and the judge says the Sixth Amendment was suspended because of COVID-19.
Now...
Wow!
You can't just suspend one amendment, right?
Well, and the other thing that's interesting is why would you suspend the entire Constitution for COVID-19 on a completely separate issue that has nothing to do with COVID-19?
Well, right.
You know what I mean?
So this is like a tyrannical dictatorship is what we're in right now.
Yeah, it is a tyrannical dictatorship.
And that's how they initially started running this operation.
Tell you exact date when they started running this operation.
By they, I mean, so the person who kind of pulled the trigger on the DOD side, his name is Colonel Matthew Hepburn.
He was at DARPA at the time, or Defense Advanced Research something.
So it's like a agency.
So he was at DARPA at the time.
He made the phone call.
I'm not saying he's like the mastermind of all of this, although he claims that he came up with the pandemic preparedness plan in public presentations.
But he was the one who made the phone call on February 4th, 2020, to a pharmaceutical consortium that he had set up previously, starting around, well, at least I have evidence that that consortium was already in place in 2017. It was after the PREP Act.
Yeah.
So the consortium of pandemic preparedness of these pharmaceutical companies and all kinds of medical device companies, they number in the hundreds.
They probably had some group that was, you know, a dozen companies, 20 companies, I don't know how many exactly, that were ostensibly working on so-called pan-influenza vaccine.
And this started at least in 2017, maybe earlier.
Audio recording.
I have a video of it, but I only released an audio.
Audio recording of AstraZeneca, two high-level executives talking about this.
One is their CEO, Pascal Soro, and the other one is VP of monoclonal antibodies, Mark Asser.
And they're discussing in an executive meeting how this whole thing transpired.
From 2017 when they were approached by DARPA to become part of this consortium.
And at that time, what's interesting, Mark Esser says something like, I thought it was science fiction.
Well, because Mark Esser, being an experienced drug developer, knows that this is science fiction he's being asked to do.
So that was his first reaction.
But then he somehow says, oh no, but then I realized that, you know, this is really possible.
It's possible to develop these completely novel, these mRNA or adenovirus or whatever, the monoclonal antibodies within, you know, 60 days or even sooner.
So what DARPA was telling them in 2017, specifically Matt Hepburn, that we, the DOD, will identify novel viruses.
As they evolve, right?
Yeah.
And you, the pharma, will be making drugs and vaccines for them within 60 days of, you know, us providing you the code.
And that, to which Mark Esser's reaction was, it's science fiction.
And...
He's right.
So what, is he still around?
I mean, what did he end up doing?
I think he's still working for AstraZeneca, yes.
And Pascal Soroy is still the CEO of AstraZeneca.
And then further on in this recording, which I have, it's like a six-minute recording, they're saying...
Oh, yeah.
But then we realized that it was all great, because the money from the DoD is very good and convincing.
And then they started working on this for a while, for several years.
That was great.
You know, DoD gives them grants, no particular deliverables.
They get to play science.
And then he said on February 4th, we received a phone call from DARPA. Telling us that COVID has been declared a national security threat.
And this is a full month before a pandemic was announced.
And Trump signed off on Stafford Act declaration for all 50 states and put FEMA in charge for some reason as a lead agency.
But here we have DARPA calling pharmaceutical consortium telling them it's a national security threat.
Switch your influenza to COVID. We pulled the trigger, guys.
This is what we're giving you all the money for.
Now you better pay back.
Yeah, right.
So we see this.
Not only that, then I also noted there were a bunch of DOD press conferences from Pentagon.
They're still up online.
I've written several articles about it.
Other colleagues have written articles about it.
you know, we have full transcripts and they have all these videos and, and some of them are, are, I mean, you know, hysterical, if it wasn't so, just so terrible what they did, but, uh, the, the, they announced, um, yeah, there was a, it was an episode on March 5th, Again, this is still before the formal pandemic announcement.
On March 5th, there is a Pentagon press conference with several people.
General Talley is their lead spokesperson.
Then there is Colonel Wendy Simmons-Jackson.
There is Dr. Michaels, and these are from Fort Detrick and from U.S. Army Medical Research.
And there's another person who's a liaison with WHO there.
And they're all talking about, so specifically, Colonel Wendy Simmons-Jackson says on March 5th, we have received the pathogen, meaning SARS-CoV-2 virus, and we are growing it, making stocks of it.
And yeah, that's her exact words.
I clipped it.
I've been, you know, posting it everywhere.
So she's saying on March 5th, when there are no...
Real cases in the U.S., I don't know, CDC claimed around 200 cases, like PCR cases, but no clarity as to were there illnesses or anything.
There was a person in Washington State, one person, from which they claimed they've derived this pathogen.
Again, nobody knows.
Whether that person existed or not.
And then she says we're growing stocks of it.
So when we have no virus in the United States, for some reason DOD creates way more virus.
And then after that, that's when the cases started skyrocketing.
So she announces a deployment of a chemical weapon, the fact that they're making it, and then we have cases and illness and deaths.
Interesting.
So from a court standpoint, that would be something that you could...
That's pretty solid evidence.
It is solid evidence.
And all I'm asking is, can Congress interview Colonel Hepburn?
Can Congress interview Colonel Simmons-Jackson?
Ask them, what did she mean by this?
We also know that the DOD awarded a contract to Protein Sciences to grow the stocks of SARS-CoV-2.
So I'd like to know, why did they do it?
When there were no virus in the United States, really, to speak of.
And what happened with those talks afterwards?
Where did they go?
That's right.
Where did they go?
What's going on here?
Are you seeing any kind of serious investigation into the Department of Defense activity, into this whole activity?
Or is it just, we're in this twilight zone?
We're in the twilight zone.
Everyone pretends on both sides of the aisle.
I'm accusing both, Democrats, Republicans, everyone in Congress right now.
By the way, my colleague Catherine and I, we have prepared the package of most of these materials.
Since then, collected more.
But at the time, December 2022, we had sufficient evidence to demonstrate this is a military operation.
The military framework was used and the public was lied to as if it's a public health event.
And so we've compiled this material on request of Senator Johnson of Wisconsin.
Senator Johnson actually...
His staffer set up a Zoom call with me and Catherine and a few other people.
And he asked us, can you put together a memo for me and the package of evidence, which we've done.
It's a two-page memo describing this, describing what laws have been utilized, and a 700 megabyte attachment file.
I've published all of this.
And sent it to him in December 2022. Nothing happened after that.
Nothing happened.
As you know, he held several hearings before and after.
And to give him credit, he invited me to one, but I couldn't make the schedule.
But he's held several hearings with very high profile, you know, so-called freedom leaders discussing how COVID was, how public health response was botched.
While this wasn't a public health anything.
And he knows it.
And do you think he just doesn't have the power?
I mean, he's just one man.
Yeah, he doesn't have the power to do anything.
But I'm just giving an example of, this is a person in Congress who is sympathetic and understands all of this, and he can't do anything about it.
Yeah, he seems like he was the best.
He was trying to do stuff, but it takes more than one person.
If he doesn't have any support, it really puts him at risk.
Right, so it takes more than one person.
I give him a lot of credit for calling attention to the victims of this.
I'm very grateful that he gave any attention to this.
But this wasn't a secret.
We've published it many times.
I gave it to him.
I gave this information to RFK Jr. too.
I have a podcast with him recorded.
Two podcasts, actually.
And he knows all this also.
Now, But still, the public perception is being managed.
And I don't know what he's going to do about it.
Like, the confirmation hearings are starting tomorrow.
He still needs to be confirmed.
But what happens right now is the public opinion is getting managed back into this box of this was a public health event and this was a public health response.
Some mistakes were made, some overreach, let's fix those things.
But they won't do anything about the castle.
The castle is these laws that they're using, these essentially military martial law that they have pulled.
They've suspended the Constitution.
They haven't unsuspended it yet.
I haven't seen any evidence of this.
You know, doing executive orders.
The Constitution can't be suspended.
There's nothing in the Constitution that allows them to suspend the Constitution.
It's so crazy.
How can they do that?
They've written a mountain of law to do exactly this, starting even maybe in the 1800s.
So also, my friend Catherine started going back and tracing.
All these legal changes, specifically around the vaccines, even going back to the 1700s.
And you can see how this machine is morphing, meaning the federal government, which the Constitution actually is the document that limits the federal government very severely, right?
But they've done since late 1700s or even mid 1800s, they've done the complete opposite of it.
So now the federal government is everything, pretty much.
And what they've done in this last episode is they further merged the power of separate federal agencies that are supposed to be separate, supposed to be separately, you know, constrained and regulated.
They're not.
So they've since then merged 11 federal agencies into what's called PEMC. It's a pandemic enterprise.
It's called Pandemic Enterprise.
It was established in 2011 or 12. I forget the exact date.
And this is the body that kind of drives this whole pandemic exercise and extracts money out of it to themselves and power to themselves.
To themselves.
Yeah.
Have you seen, have you tracked where the money all flowed?
Where the money flows?
Well, so I've looked very specifically into the COVID contracts for everything.
Mostly I was focused on vaccines, but there were hundreds and hundreds of contracts given to a variety of corporations for both vaccines, drugs, anything related to COVID. Even propaganda.
So, consulting firms like McKinsey and Boston Consulting Group received huge contracts, like billion-dollar contracts, to create all the propaganda.
And do you think that's how it worked?
They just kind of bribed everybody?
Yes.
Yes.
So, yeah.
So, I have also spoken to Catherine Austin Fitz.
If you know, she writes more about finance and global money-stealing operation.
That's what they did.
They essentially stopped all the economy.
So this was a redirecting.
This was creating what she calls tsunami of money out of nothing based on this faked pretense.
Then stopping the real economy, which is like real businesses via lockdown.
So preventing them from doing any business.
Create value.
You create value.
So you stop those channels of money flow.
You create these other completely fake channels that are controlled by you and by your buddies.
And you print $2 trillion and you shove it through that channel and prevent it from flowing here.
That's exactly what they did.
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It couldn't be more debilical.
I mean, it's so bad.
It's just so bad what they did.
And the more people that understand, the better.
But it just seems like nothing is ever going to happen.
And you're saying that everything is still in place.
Now, what do you think about the United States leaving the WHO? Yeah, this whole thing about the WHO. In my opinion, it's more of a show mechanism.
So they want the WHO to then point finger at.
So when they're doing something illegal here and unconstitutional here, they want to point the finger at some other place and say, well, I was just following guidelines from the WHO. So, for example, they did this with...
The vaccine, where I noticed this first, I was early on looking into how is it possible for them to put these extremely dangerous mRNA products.
I knew about it because I'm from pharma business, and I could not believe when they said that these are going to be prophylactic vaccines.
I was like, are you kidding?
It's like giving everyone chemo on steroids and calling it a prophylactic vaccine.
It's just as dangerous.
Is it pretty common knowledge that that's true, what you just said?
Any honest drug professional would know it.
Like, for example, I don't know if you know Dr. Mike Eden.
He was the first in pharma who spoke up about it.
And there's still only a handful of us that ever stood up and said, you guys are just out of your mind.
So he...
Was the one who, in December 2020, wrote a letter to European Medicines Agency listing all the mechanisms of harm that you can expect from this product by just looking at the design of this product.
And it's not even his area.
He did not work in biologics either.
And I don't come from biologics.
But when you know to look at the drug and its design, you know what it is.
It should have been obvious to the people working in it.
It should have been obvious to everyone.
So I was terrified.
I was like, what are they doing?
And then some documents were FOIA'd by Judicial Watch from HHS, the documentation on animal toxicology studies, and I was looking at those, and I was expecting a better...
Again, coming from drugs, I never worked on vaccines.
I was expecting certain batteries of tests to be done for safety because I was also coming from drug safety.
And I was expecting, you know, cardiovascular, the pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, the CNS testing, the reproductive toxicology testing, all sorts of safety tests.
Most of them are not done.
And then there is an explanation.
So they're saying, you know, there's a chapter for these, And it says, these were not done.
And I was like, okay.
And then there's an explanation, and it says they were waived because of the WHO guidelines for vaccines from 2005. Okay, so...
We don't...
What happened in the United States, it was not because of the WHO. We did it on ourselves.
But what about Europe and all these other countries?
Same thing there.
So in the...
Like where WHO... Who guidelines apply much more or whatever WHO says applies much more is the countries that are not 5i countries and sort of smaller, you know, Africans and other nations.
But for the US and for the major, you know, for the EU, Canada and so forth, these countries already have all those laws on their...
National laws.
So international laws, such as, you know, whatever, who comes up with, they don't even have any jurisdiction, they're just an advisory body.
But whatever, let's say, an international law somebody came up with, and let's say we signed up to it, the international law is not enforceable.
There's no body, extraplanetary body, that can come in and, like, enforce the international law.
Unless they pass that treaty, right?
Unless they sign into the treaty and do something stupid like that.
But even in the treaty, even treaties are kind of like fake.
Again, they're made to then come back and justify to the local population their own laws on the books claiming that that's imposed via the international treaty.
So it's a mechanism to just point the finger at something.
You know, we need to save the planet, whatever the SDGs and, you know, and then say, oh, and therefore all this national laws that we have here are, you know, we have to enforce them.
And you can't really challenge it because, you know, we have like this big...
It gives them an out to not be...
So one thing that I notice is that the Global Economic Forum...
Or the World Economic Forum had a, we're going to reset the world.
It was right after COVID hit the scene, right?
And they had this website saying, we're going to reset the world based on COVID. And it was like a 200 level deep website that with COVID right in the middle.
And saying it's going to reset it.
It was a target.
And then all these little points that you keep clicking down and it's like everything in the world you could think of that could be reset based on COVID, right?
This was right away.
So you know that they planned that because it was physically impossible to create a website that quickly.
So who was coordinating the world response?
To, you know, they want to point at who and say who was coordinating that world.
Because obviously everybody in the world moved in lockstep.
So who was coordinating that world response?
Were you able to pinpoint that?
Right.
So, again, for the 5i countries, and by the way, we'll publish more on this shortly, is...
For the five I countries, we've traced that the legal framework, this pandemic preparedness, EUA countermeasures, which are these military medical countermeasures, and so all this kind of pandemic preparedness and response for the five I countries is nearly identical.
They all have the same exact law, the same exact language, and it's coordinated through the military of each country.
And they even call it something like, oh, in addition to the military, it's all the federal agencies.
They call it whole of government response.
In fact, in the Pentagon pressers, they repeat this phrase, whole of government, whole of government, like I even clipped it into one clip.
They repeat it dozens of times throughout the whole press conferences.
And the same language is used in all these other countries, in Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand.
If you go on those websites and you read those documents, it's all the same.
It's whole of government.
We have stakeholders, which is like federal agencies.
And it's all run through the military.
It's called military medical countermeasures.
We're prepared for pandemics.
We're prepared for all these attacks.
We can make vaccines and biologics in like hours after we identify the virus.
And all the same language.
The thing that's different in the US is the PrEP Act.
Other countries don't have it, but they, in effect, make it through other mechanisms.
But, you know, the PrEP Act in the US is particularly awful because it completely exempts anyone, not just the pharma companies and, like, medical device or whatever, manufacturers, but anyone who does anything with the medical countermeasure.
As long as they follow HHS's orders.
So, you know, all the doctors who have pushed remdesivir on people, who have killed people in the hospital with ventilators, are completely exempt.
And this is explicit, it says regardless how many people you kill or injure, they're completely exempt.
But the ones who didn't, the ones who spoke up against it, the ones who pushed back, they are...
Open to liability, and the government comes after them.
Yeah, they're under a microscope.
This side is protected, and they're killing people left and right.
People are dying all over the place, right?
These guys are trying to have much better results, and if anybody dies on this side, they're going after them.
I've seen that in general, and that is, it couldn't be more absurd.
Yeah.
And I also like class people like me and you, anybody who speaks up about it, we're misinformation.
We're misinformation agents.
They even go as far as to label us the enemies of the state because we are questioning the government's orders here.
We're being good people.
We're doing our jobs as a citizen of the world and of our country trying to do what's right for people and we are being attacked for it.
Yeah, we're being attacked for it.
We're being canned.
We're being, like, people get busy jobs.
They get banned.
I'm banned on LinkedIn now.
Oh my!
Join the club!
You're the second person now that I know.
Me and you.
I've been a pharma professional.
I have like 5,000 connections.
I've been on LinkedIn for 20 some years.
And they banned me.
Why?
Because I've shared my articles from Substack.
Yep.
I shared an article saying that informed consent was taken away by the FDA. And I showed the actual, what do you call it?
What do you call it?
Mandate?
It's not mandate.
Their thing, the FDA posted, and I used their exact words, and they took me down.
And I said, well, this is true, because, you know, and I showed them the exact, I showed them the lengths, everything else, I'm using their language.
And so they put that back up, and then they flagged everything under the sun.
And I'm like, well, what?
And then they claim that I'm selling unregulated or advertising or selling unregulated services.
I'm like, well, can't we sell?
Are baseball caps unregulated?
I mean, it just makes no sense.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, yeah, they do this and they want to eliminate us and they want to eliminate sort of, well, I know that early on they went after.
I was nobody on social media.
I never had Facebook.
I had Instagram where I was collecting art.
Art is my hobby.
And I just had artists that I follow.
And I had a nice collection of things.
They cancelled it.
They banned it.
I can never have Instagram anymore.
I know.
I've been canceled everywhere.
I have an unpersoned article that showed all the places I was canceled.
It actually is very effective because I think LinkedIn is worse than being canceled elsewhere because now you can't even, if you're, in theory, I don't think it's that bad.
I think it's, for me, it's not as bad as elsewhere.
Like, YouTube is probably the worst from a monetary standpoint and exposure.
But from a, in theory...
LinkedIn is the worst.
Like, if I wanted to get out of this industry, they're trying to destroy us, right?
So if I wanted to get out of this industry and do something else, and, you know, I think you're pretty self-sufficient now and things, but if I wanted to do something else and get another job, banning me from LinkedIn bans me from the whole professional world that I was part of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so me with, you know, I can't...
You know, I have 5,000 industry connections from many, many years back.
But yeah, now I'm D-person there.
I can't, you know, even go.
Yeah, go to...
What if I need a job?
I might need a job in the future in my industry.
And I can't even show people, oh, I have a profile, you know?
Yeah, and the equivalent of it...
If you're in real life, it's like not being able to actually apply for jobs or not being able to actually speak at a meeting.
Those kinds of things.
You're just not allowed to participate in civil life because everything is moved to the internet.
It's a weird abuse that a lot of people don't understand.
But it's very abusive.
It is.
And it's, again, part of this whole Sort of military structure, PEMC slash National Security Council structure, because they're conducting it as war.
And part of the pandemic or public health emergency law structure, the main part is it's announced as a national, first of all, as a national thing.
And the reason they say whole of government, all of this says we are...
We're responding to whatever that is, even though it's a faked event, we're responding to it as if it's war.
And during war, you know, so they're invoking all these things that they can theoretically do during war, especially on the U.S. soil.
Yeah, so we are targets for war.
They're taking this out with no thinking of what's going on based on a fake event, which is...
Based on a fake event.
I want you to talk about this fake event, because while there was hot spots that I think something happened, which maybe you can talk about, but overall, I downloaded all the CDC numbers, and this was back in 2022, and there was no statistical increase in deaths.
And then I went back and I downloaded it three months later, and all those numbers, for most of the months starting when COVID started, all of a sudden from when COVID started, they changed them to magic.
A bad curve.
And that was after 100% reporting.
That's not...
That's what we're dealing with.
Yeah.
So, right.
There was no...
So, people need to understand that mortality and morbidity data are separate.
You have to assess them separately.
Now, as far as the deaths...
It's true.
Total all-cause mortality indicates that there was no pandemic.
And there was some good statistical analysis have been done both for the U.S. and internationally demonstrating this.
Well, it was if you look at the new CDC numbers that they fixed.
I don't know if you saw that.
If you look at the original, it really proves out what you're saying.
Right.
So, so the, the, and, and, you know, people have published on it.
We know that mortality, especially before they started implementing all these COVID murder protocols in the hospitals, you know, we know that there is nothing.
There's nothing before Colonel Wendy Simmons-Jackson says we're growing the virus.
Absolutely nothing.
It's a, you know, flat curve on the bottom at zero.
And then right after her announcement, they start increasing.
And, you know, but yeah, by all cause mortality assessments, You can't say there was anything unusual.
But then for morbidity, the data is very, very complicated.
And, you know, I myself believe that something was used.
And because I also, you know, got ill in 2022. So I wasn't ill in the first, but simultaneously with my husband, we became ill.
Within hours in 2022. And it was so distinct and so unusual, and it wasn't even a cough or respiratory, that we knew that it was a poisoning.
And I treated it as a poisoning, and it took me like a couple of weeks to recover, but I was fine after that.
Yeah, it seemed like there were certain spots that they did something to trigger this whole event.
And then the rest of it was just...
Using the flu and maybe whatever the cold normally is.
Yeah, and also people need to remember, this is not very widely publicized today, but it was known quite a bit in the medicine, that depending on the situation and depending on the fear factor, between...
Let's say 10% and 20% of the population, even higher if you propagandize them more, are highly suggestible.
And you can induce illness by just telling people they're going to be ill.
That's the placebo effect.
Placebo effect is extremely powerful.
The nocebo effect, which is the placebo effect.
Yeah.
A lot of people just by...
So a lot of contagious...
Disease or seasonal respiratory illness can be explained, you know, at least 10% of it can be explained by you went to work, somebody was sick there, you thought you were going to sick, you came home and you became sick because you convinced yourself.
And so it's that simple.
Now, so when there is this media splash and all these messages about scary, zoonotic jump from Wuhan, A bunch of people are susceptible, especially because everyone was for decades pre-programmed with sci-fi about the outbreak movie, the contagion movie, all these other stories.
So everybody believes it.
And then it comes.
And of course, a large percentage of the population starts freaking out.
But in addition to that, I also watched presentations by DOD. They have this propagandist James Giordano.
And he also explained how DOD has a playbook to fake pandemics.
In 2017, in a lecture, he tells the cadets at West Point, I think, that here's how we do it.
Or here's as well, the bad guys can do it this way.
Yeah, I included that specific clip that you're talking about in a conference that I did, a conference presentation.
How you fake a pandemic, you give the wrong protocols to a hospital, is what he said.
And then, yeah, and then you end up bringing the whole, that whole community or city or whatever to its knees.
Yes, that's why I'm paraphrasing.
Yeah, and in another presentation, he says specifically, we or they can distribute a drug, a non-leasal agent, a drug.
Well, a drug is a chemical, okay?
So they can deploy some sort of a chemical to produce weird symptoms.
Like with this COVID, it was this bizarre loss of taste and smell.
So weird symptoms so that, you know, they're not lethal.
We ourselves don't get hit or the bad guys don't get hit so much.
We know that this is not lethal and you can treat it.
But then we tell everyone, oh, it's the evidence of these like really, really scary bioengineered viruses.
That's what happened.
That's what happened.
You know, I'm on the fence with Giro Donald because he's like sharing things.
You can learn a lot from listening to him.
Clearly, I'm not naive, but he's not the super, super villain.
He's the one out in front sharing things, and you can learn a lot from him.
Well, I don't know.
Behind the scenes are who's implementing all this stuff.
I am by no means advocating for him.
I'm just saying, I'm just not sure.
I'm not sure who the real bad guys are here.
He clearly works for them.
Yeah, I'm not saying he is the mastermind.
Again, they have a lot of communicators that will say stuff like this to legitimize it.
They want to do a lot of this limited hangout kind of stuff where they say, well, but we told you.
I was the good guy.
I was discussing how this can be done and what we do to prevent this from happening.
But again, it's like...
If you see one person at the scene of the fire all the time, are they the firefighter or are they the arsonist?
I mean, sometimes it's hard to...
Well, that's right.
Yeah, you don't know.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't know what's going on there.
It's pretty strange.
So, I'm so glad you're bringing all this stuff up because it's so true.
Where do you think...
I mean, do you think people will actually go for it?
And we do know that there's a certain group that get all their boosters.
I mean, they're just hardcore and they're all...
I think most people that I know of who are getting all their boosters really have Their health is deteriorating.
They're not focusing on the important things.
But then I'm on X and somebody, you know, jokes like some guy, somebody posted something complex.
It was one of the funniest jokes I've heard.
Somebody posted something complex and everybody's like, well, explain this to me.
And one guy goes, explain it to me like I've gotten five booster shots.
Like I'm a moron and you need to do it in detail.
And so, I mean, it's just a comment out there that people think.
You know, but it's two camps.
Do you think they could get away with doing this again?
I think pulling what they've pulled with COVID, probably not.
I think a lot of people, even when they, so the booster uptake right now, even though there are those people that do get, you know, 5-10 boosters, they do exist, the overall uptake is really low.
And a lot of people are kind of silent about it and trying to pretend it didn't happen and move along with their lives and, you know, think, well, now it's everything fine.
But in fact, you know, if it's pushed on them again, we'll refuse, likely refuse, because they understand what happened.
And they've seen, you know, I have people who now, you know, were out of touch, but then coming back now.
And while they don't necessarily discuss this head-on, they also sometimes mention, oh, so-and-so got stroke or so-and-so got cancer.
Which means, to me, it says they understand that this is dangerous, at least.
They might not get all the details.
I was going to say, Steve Kirsch just put something out.
I mean, these kinds of things are so ridiculous.
Steve Kirsch put something out showing that the people who have been...
Deniable proof that the people who actually got the jab have gotten COVID more than the people who haven't.
So now we have this jab that's creating all these illnesses, deaths, destruction, and they're also getting COVID more, which is the cold.
Yeah, I mean, I think how bad could it be?
You know, how much more stupid does it have to be before we, you know, just everybody just says enough.
I think people are kind of still shell-shocked and in disbelief.
And a lot of it is they have, you know, it's dangerous to fall for these propaganda ops, very dangerous from the human mind perspective.
It's very similar to like when people are in a cult, like a very strange cult, right?
It's very hard for them to unprogram themselves, even if they want to leave or maybe they understand something is not right.
But it's very hard for them to disconnect.
Why?
Because, again, of this suggestibility.
So people essentially hypnotize themselves through this mechanism into this mind state where you may have also experienced this.
Some people are so...
So brainwashed and so hypnotized that if you tell them something against the vaccines, that this is dangerous, that this is killing people, they have a violent reaction.
It's like Plato's cave.
Yes, they have a violent reaction because it's as if you're threatening their core of who they are.
That's right.
That's what I'm saying.
And it's a spectrum.
Some people are less and some people are more.
But we have to recognize that the reason why we are in disbelief and we're like, how can this be not so obvious?
And I know Steve Kirsch has been going at data, data, data, data forever and is getting not very far.
It's just crazy.
I know.
It's crazy to not get very far.
But I know that the reason they have to ban people like us and silence us as much as humanly possible from their perspective without it being so obvious is because just having people like us say something contrary screws up their ability to do the mass manipulation.
Exactly.
Yeah.
We are the antidote.
We're the antidote.
We can snap people out of it.
And with this messaging, we're interacting that mind control that they have installed in everyone by words.
I'm not saying there's any technology being installed.
It's a combination of just plain poisoning with a variety of mechanisms in it, which if you poisoned, your mental function goes down.
And then they repeat in messaging and words that they repeat to the people and make people repeat themselves.
That's how mind control works.
I think why I'm really...
It does.
My gosh.
And then they have more sophisticated techniques now.
But I'm really, really disappointed in the medical field.
Like, there's doctors that I'm, you know, they're heroes because they broke out of it and risked their profession and their life and everything else.
But the majority of them, I'm just so disappointed in the entire field of medicine.
I mean, you know, I just can't get past it.
I'm just being honest here.
I can't get past how disappointed I am in the field of medicine, that they can't look at data and self-correct when there's lives on the line.
I just don't understand that.
That's pretty powerful mind control.
It's pretty powerful mind control.
It's interesting that you mentioned last night.
Until like midnight, I was reading a book from 140 years ago written by a doctor, I think he's a British doctor, Dr. Dolan, who was writing, he was commenting on Pasteur and Pasteur's propaganda of rabies,
first of all, rabies being viral illness and propagandizing everyone and creating commission to Push these anti-rabies shots that he was making that were killing people.
And so Dr. Dolan wrote a book actually putting a lot of statistics, which were hand-collected statistics from France and Britain and even some from Russia that he obtained, and explaining how, first of all, this illness that Pasteur was telling, it's as if Pasteur wrote the COVID protocol.
So, he was explaining how rabies is very rare, extremely rare.
And this was in the 1800s.
And he said, you know, the primary cause is mistreatment of dogs.
And then the dogs become fearful and become aggressive and attack.
And so he said, you know, that's number one cause.
Even with the, you know, rampant mistreatment of dogs, the rabies cases, real cases, extremely rare.
He summarized his own practice from 40 years and other people's 30, 40-year practice, saying each physician himself saw maybe one or two cases in his entire career.
The total mortality for rabies even slightly overblown in the entire country of France was like 10 to 20 people a year.
In Britain, the same.
But Pasteur went around and said, this is such a dangerous disease.
We need to have government commission on it.
So why for 10, 20 cases a year?
You need an entire government commission.
Then he made up fake statistics.
So it was like he designed instructions for Corman and Drosten to write their stupid paper on COVID. With PCR, except he didn't have PCR at that time.
He just made it all up.
He said, oh, it's 100% lethal, which is it's not.
And, you know, it's totally prevented by my shots, which statistics at that time indicated it only increased after his shots were rolled out.
And not only it increased, he created a new form of rabies, a paralytic rabies, which did not exist before his shots.
Geez.
So, I mean, yeah, that's exactly what that is.
And then did he make a fortune on it?
Of course.
And there were Pasteur Institutes everywhere.
And in all these countries, there was a British hydrophobia, because before Pasteur created rabies, paralytic rabies, it was hydrophobia.
It was a somewhat different disease, actually.
Wow, that's just, that's an incredible story.
I mean, it seems like we're just lacking some basic common sense.
And the only way they get away with it is through this mind control stuff.
Because it's just common sense, guys.
Wake up!
Come on, we need you to wake up!
Yeah, it's common sense.
And what I find, you know, wonderful in Dr. Dolan's book...
Transcends the time because it is so true.
He was absolutely upset about it.
He said that these guys, like Pasteur was a chemist and there were some other ones who were just scientists.
He said they roll in with their chemical kits and they override us, the clinicians who've practiced 40 years treating actual people.
And they ignore the actual people.
And he said, and they push these medicines that they've cooked up that they don't understand anything about.
And they make themselves arbiters of life and death.
That's exactly what's going on.
And I'm like, 140 years ago, they had sane doctors.
That's exactly what's going on.
It couldn't be more obvious to people who are willing to get out of that construct, right?
Yeah.
Thank you.
So you need to be followed.
People need to follow you.
Your work is amazing.
Where can they follow you?
So my primary platform is Substack now.
So I write articles.
I do have some videos.
I'll post this video also.
I have some videos and some audio podcasts, but mostly it's long-form articles with all the evidence and links and information you can find there.
Great stuff.
So you can follow me on Substack.
Just search my name or the publication is called Due Diligence in Art.
Thank you so much for joining the program and thank you for everything that you're doing.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you, Sarah.
Sorry about the last time.
Oh, that's okay.
This is great.
Thank you.
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