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Jan. 29, 2025 - Jim Fetzer

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The Raw Deal SPECIAL EDITION (29 Jan 2025) with Russ Winter, Brian Davidson, and Joachim Hagopian

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	Not just anybody.
	You know I need someone.
	So much younger than today.
	I never need anybody's help in any way.
	But now these days have gone and I'm not so self-assure.
	I don't want to change my mind.
	I know I love the dog.
	Don't be a big man.
	I'm feeling bad.
	Welcome to what should be viewed as a special edition of the Fearsome Foursome Show, Absinthe Victor Hugo.
	We have had a very bizarre falling out with Victor, and of course we're right here on Revolution Radio this 29th day of January, 2025, Studio B. I'm joined by Joaquin Agopian, Brian Davidson, and Russ Winter.
	What happened was, back in December, during the show called Truth vs.
	News, Victor was doing his usual, it's the Jews, it's the Jews onslaught, and Brian was expressing his reservations as an oversimplification that doesn't give credit to the fact that there are many Jews, for example, who are opposed to genocide.
	We had such a group, hundreds, in Grand Central Station protesting what's going on in Israel that there are many variations.
	Not all Jews are supremacist Jews.
	Not all Jews are Talmudic Jews.
	And Victor, being so unrelenting in his onslaught, prompted a fairly extensive discussion.
	I went back and took a look.
	We actually talked about this 20 or 30 minutes before Brian.
	Excuse himself as a form of protest against Victor's style.
	Now, I respected Bryan's decision.
	I kept Victor on shows for weeks thereafter until I discovered that he had done a show attacking Bryan as a coward.
	That was absurd.
	Ryan's a man of immense integrity.
	He showed great intellectual courage in investigating Sandy Hook.
	He's gone into the Connecticut State Police Archives.
	He's discovered proof not only that it wasn't a mass murder, but that it wasn't even an operating school.
	Subsequently, still on Sandy Hook, he has done the single most important affidavit in the history of research on Sandy Hook, bar none, as a part of my effort to...
	Open sanctions based upon extrinsic fraud and fraud upon the court being perpetrated by the judge and the attorneys for the man who calls himself Leonard Posner.
	Brian nailed it.
	I had at one point been challenging the individual who appeared in Madison under the name of Leonard Posner as not authentic, not the real Leonard Posner.
	And in fact, anyone who looks at images will see he's...
	Too young and too small to be the real deal.
	Well, we obtained photographs when he went on 60 Minutes, where they hired the most famous makeup artists in the world to redo him, to make him look more like the Sandy Hook Posner.
	Now, just to indicate how this is non-trivial, when I sought to expose this during The proceedings of my case in circuit court.
	I sent a copy of the video deposition of Wolfgang Halbig, whom I believe would help to verify this was not Leonard Posner, which I believe I was entitled to under the circumstances of which the video had been, yes, declared to be confidential, but I could use it for legal purposes.
	The judge slammed me.
	He held me in contempt of court.
	He assigned lawyer fees, even though the lawyers had claimed they were operating pro bono, $650,000 for trying to expose a scam, a scam that has now been confirmed by this additional research in the affidavit to which I refer by Brian Davidson.
	So that goes on top of the $450,000 I was found liable under bizarre circumstances.
	Where the judge would not allow me to introduce all the proof I had from the book, for example, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, where I'd brought together 13 experts, including six PhDs.
	We'd established the school had been closed by 2008, that there were no students or teachers there, and that had been a FEMA drill for which you even had the FEMA manual.
	The judge would not allow any of that to be introduced.
	And even claimed that it was not relevant to the lawsuit, which is over my declaring to be fake, a death certificate for the son of the plaintiff, who calls himself Leonard Posner, the son Noah Posner, even though it states right on the, he said, the judge said, I mean, this is just astonishing.
	And you need this for background when we look at the discussion between.
	Victor Hugo, the man who poses as a lawyer, he said it was not relevant to the truth or accuracy whether or not anyone had died at Sandy Hook.
	I mean, this is now slightly paraphrasing.
	What he said is, what happened at Sandy Hook was not relevant to the truth or the accuracy of a death certificate for a party who presumably died at Sandy Hook.
	It says, "Rod of the Death Certificate." Died at Sandy Hook on the 14th of December of 2001 of multiple gunshots.
	I'm just illustrating how absurd it is.
	In the end, he made it a summary judgment, which is only permissible if there is no dispute over the facts.
	But this case was laden with disputes over the facts, so I was denied my right to a trial by jury.
	Turns out that the standards in Wisconsin are peculiar compared to the standards of other states.
	So when I wound up going all the way to the Supreme Court, I had both a Seventh Amendment denial of my right to trial by jury and a Fourteenth Amendment inconsistency between the states that should have teed it up for the Supreme Court.
	But they declined.
	Now I'm back in court.
	Seeking to reopen the case, and I think I'm going to make some progress, but I want everyone to understand, this is a background to the ongoing efforts of Victor Hugo, who has now done a dozen or more shows attacking me, attacking Brian, attacking Joaquin, even attacking Ross.
	Now, Russ has done a critique of the latest, which I think is quite brilliant and informative.
	And that will be our focus today, Russ.
	Well, yeah, short and sweet of it is that Victor has escalated to what I call DEFCON 5. So he's kind of gone all in, hooked up with this nightshade attorney named Wynn Young, I believe is his name.
	And I put together...
	Some critical clips.
	In my piece on Victor Hugo, I have the link to the video he did with his attorney.
	It's two hours long.
	We don't need to go into all of it.
	We just need to focus on certain things that were being said by Victor and this attorney.
	So let's start with the clips I sent you.
	With the clip from...
	Yeah, part one.
	Russ, I don't have those set up.
	I thought you would be playing them from your...
	I told you I had no ability to set up clips.
	Zero.
	Zero ability to be running that kind of thing.
	Let me see what...
	It's in your email from yesterday.
	Oh, yesterday.
	I guess yesterday.
	Yeah, I'm not a technical guy.
	I can't put up, I can't splice stuff together, but I did go through it and pick out the 12 most pertinent parts of the attack.
	Let me see what I can do here.
	You guys all have to remember, the audience has to remember that I have also fairly serious vision issues right now.
	I'm practically blind in my left eye.
	And, you know, I'm getting pretty old myself, so I can't be splicing together and putting together technical things.
	We almost need a production team on the show sometimes, I feel.
	Oh, here they are.
	Okay, let me see what I can do, Ross.
	So, yeah, pop up the whole screen, and you go to 131.10 to start out.
	We don't want to be watching this whole video.
	It's just not necessary.
	Right, right.
	Here we go.
	Okay, let me see here.
	As you observe, part one starts, oh, you mean I need to have the show set up to go to those?
	Yeah, you've got to go to the link of the show.
	You can find it in the email or you can find it in my Victor Hugo article.
	Right.
	Right.
	Absolutely right.
	Well, then you can tell me where to go in terms of...
	Yeah, let's start out at 1.31.10.
	Okay.
	We'll go two minutes.
	Here we go.
	Okay.
	Where do you want me to begin, my friend?
	131.10.
	131.10.
	Okay.
	Can you get that up on the screen?
	You can't see it?
	No.
	Hang on a second.
	I think you've got an ad.
	When you say 130...
	Yeah, one hour, 31 minutes, and 10 seconds.
	I noticed that you were hesitant about that.
	Let me see.
	Let me make sure I've got you guys here in the lube.
	Apology that I... Yeah.
	You see it now?
	Yeah, go to 131.10.
	Okay, I got 131.15.
	Let's watch this.
	Now what he's going to do is he's going to admit in this little clip that he doesn't know anything about your work.
	He hasn't examined any of your books, any of your research.
	Amazing.
	And yet he's going to offer an opinion that you're tainted.
	We went through it and then I said, wow, this would be great for me to put you in contact with Jim Fetzer because...
	I knew that Jim Fetzer had written the Sandy Hook stuff and that he was really into it.
	Turned the volume up a little bit.
	And I was like, wow, why is that?
	Anyway, I still mentioned it to Jim Fetzer and I sent him the show that we did.
	After that, Jim Fetzer was very aggressive in wanting me to put him in contact with you, which I thought was a bit strange.
	I thought that was a bit strange.
	That's false.
	It's not even true.
	Pause for a minute.
	Just pause for a second.
	I'm telling you that I've noticed Victor Hugo, or I call him diva.
	The term I use for him now is diva.
	And diva basically will, if you write a sentence, he'll cut the sentence in half and leave out some of the most intrusive part.
	He was doing that in the comment section before he banned me.
	After he posted this article, I tried to engage him in comments, and he just banned me.
	I have no ability to counter his points at this stage.
	He won't come on my side, because I think he knows I'll possibly identify an IP address on him or something like that.
	Let me add that I noticed, too, before I deleted them, comments that said, for example, that my work on Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing was the best out there.
	That I had been subjected to a summary judgment, that I'd taken my case all the way to the Supreme Court.
	He deleted all of those comments.
	So we're talking about a very duplicitous, sneaky guy who clearly has an agenda that is something other than truth.
	Yeah, clearly, if you're going to put out a hit piece like this, you better expect some response.
	And he won't allow a response.
	Okay, so sensing you too.
	Alright, that's the pattern.
	So he'll change the sentences.
	Those weren't comments I put up.
	Those were comments someone else had put up that I noticed.
	Same thing.
	Censoring anybody that's vocalizing on this.
	And then he'll also cherry pick stuff.
	And listen, it was Victor Hugo who brought up this wind guy to me.
	I didn't know anything about the wind guy.
	He said, I think you ought to get in touch with the wind guy.
	And I said something like, okay.
	I don't believe I did make any effort to get a hold of him.
	I don't know why this lawyer decided to insert it.
	I don't know why he tried to insert himself into this, because he doesn't know anything about your work.
	So let's listen to what he says.
	Go ahead, finish.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I know, it's just ridiculous.
	Where is the...
	Okay.
	Can you see it, everybody?
	I went into the case, and I'm sorry, something screwed up with my microphone.
	I can barely hear you.
	I apologize, especially if I'm speaking too loudly for the folks.
	But when I went into the case, just based on my experience and gut instincts, I wasn't going to have anything to do with a tainted expert witness, okay?
	Going back to my point about you only want the minimum amount of evidence that you need, okay?
	I didn't need anything from Jim Fetzer, okay?
	Based on my experience and guts, I didn't trust anything from Jim.
	Hang on.
	You're talking about your glitches, my friend.
	I'm not technically much more savvy than you, Russ.
	Sorry to say.
	Can you hear it?
	I knew that he had been sued and suffered massive adverse judgment in Wisconsin on what I knew was a BS case.
	Nightshade, we knew it was a BS case, too.
	So what?
	To get to the proper authorities.
	You need to have a federal grand jury opened in some district other than Connecticut to avoid local prejudice, or you need the new king coming in to appoint a special counsel.
	Okay?
	Okay, stop at 133. I think...
	Somewhere in there at the end, I can't see the screen because I can say I'm half blind, but before 133.10, He admits he hasn't even looked at your case.
	Yeah, I think that was the part where the sound went out.
	Let me go back to it.
	1-33-10, yes.
	I'll just pick it up here.
	Trust anything from Jim Fetzer.
	I had everything I needed with the news clips and the work of Ismael Storm and Barry Sotoro, the anonymous guy from New York.
	Okay?
	It's all in the scrapbook video.
	Check it out.
	So I didn't need Fetzer.
	And I knew that he had been sued.
	Okay, that's good.
	So he's just basically going to enter into this discussion, insert himself into discussion, admit that he doesn't know anything about your work.
	He's kind of familiar with Sandy Hook through other sources.
	And decides what you're going to hear is effectively that you threw the case, that you took a dive.
	He's talking about a Sophia, you know, Sandy Hook in two, three, four, five dimensions that came out, I don't know, within a year of Sandy Hook.
	I mean, he's talking about really old stuff.
	I mean, my book was not published until 2015, then banned by Amazon in less than a month, even though it sold nearly 500 copies.
	So he hasn't even read the book.
	He doesn't even know that it's not just my views, but 13 experts, including six PhDs.
	He doesn't know what's finding.
	So let's hear the accusation.
	Let's go to one minute.
	We'll go back to one minute, and we'll listen to eight minutes, and you can hear what their claim is.
	Okay, one minute, time-wise, 60 seconds?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Now this is what's amazing about this show, and why I appreciate my, We'll get back to this here, and we'll see how long this takes me.
	Hopefully, it will be...
	And then I'm going to add some information to what you may not know that had me suspicious about Jim Fetzer, too.
	And since we're both people of...
	Make sure you start at one minute.
	Otherwise, everybody's going to get confused.
	So, after you do the presentation...
	Start at one minute.
	Or one hour, I'm sorry.
	One hour.
	Don't just throw stuff in the middle of this.
	There it is.
	Okay, the gurus.
	All right, first of all, let me say something here before we start.
	You see the word gurus up there?
	So the guy just comes right out rolling with a bunch of shadow language, you know, labels you and Wolfgang Halberg the gurus, which is sort of sarcasm, and he just drips with sarcasm that you and Wolfgang Halberg emerged in the situation as the gurus.
	So let's listen to that, and listen to the tone that he uses.
	to do this hit piece around since 2012 because there are a lot of doubting Thomases and with good reason but you've had a couple of gurus emerge in the movement and they are Wolfgang Halbig and also James Fetzer and what they've been putting out for the last decade or more I say It's garbage.
	Man, my Tony, my friend Tony here thinks something.
	He should know because he has not done any work, any luck at your work.
	Oh, he just didn't.
	Them on their way.
	For the last decade, I mean, the book came out in 2015, yes, and it is 2025, so, I mean.
	But he doesn't know it.
	He hasn't looked at any of it.
	Right, right, right, right.
	And Victor, I'll tell you what.
	I have looked at your work.
	I have looked at your work.
	And it's garbage.
	But I've looked at it.
	That's the difference.
	I can at least offer an opinion.
	You know, this guy hasn't even done that.
	A bit more here, Ross.
	Yeah, up to one minute.
	One hour, eight minutes.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Who's this guy here down at the bottom left?
	With this crazy contraption that he's built, and who in the world is he working for?
	Well, Mr. Halbig says this is some cowboy setting himself up in business.
	See?
	Yeah, I see.
	What I see, Mr. Halbig, is I see the smoking gun, sir.
	Okay?
	This is the consent to removal that Wolfgang Halbig...
	Went along with and signed off on July 11, 2018. Okay?
	Now, it would take you probably about...
	I would say 10 to 15 seconds to run a Google search on what are the grounds for subject matter jurisdiction in federal court.
	And it would pop right up.
	Diversity under 28 U.S.C. 1332 and federal question jurisdiction.
	The case arises under the Constitution or the laws under 28 U.S.C. 1331. Three simple words.
	Federal question.
	Jurisdiction.
	If Mr. Halbig had run a Google search, or if he had bothered to, I don't know, look up a primer online, all kind of attorneys have all these primers on basic components of the law in various fields.
	And it's real easy to educate yourself very quickly, okay?
	This is Civil Procedure 101 or even high school business law class, okay?
	And Mr. Halbig could have...
	Just stop a second, because I've got to comment on this.
	And then I want to hear your comments, too, Jim.
	But the guy's blowing your pipes, you know?
	He's this hotshot attorney.
	He's blatantly insufficient.
	Pause a second.
	Yeah, I mean...
	He's a hotshot attorney.
	He just blows your pipe by quoting a bunch of...
	Stuff to laymen.
	Typical, almost kind of, I don't even know quite the right word for it, but he's just basically blowing your pipes.
	That's the term I would use.
	And then somehow, you're supposed to be some kind of an expert and Google it and determine that federal court is the place to be on these cases.
	Which is nonsense.
	I mean, no layman is going around.
	I mean, I cannot imagine being hit with one of these suits by these very, very well-heeled, almost criminals, and putting you into corrupt courts.
	And this guy is pretending like you and Wolfgang Halbert should have had great representation and the ability to pick and choose your courts and file motions and all that kind of stuff.
	You address that.
	Tell us the experience.
	I am my co-editor, Mike Palachak.
	Must have reached out to 70 attorneys in Wisconsin.
	We could not find one person who was willing to represent us.
	Not one.
	I mean, that's just ridiculous.
	And frankly...
	Jim, you should have Googled it, man.
	You should have Googled it.
	He doesn't even know.
	Clearly you took a dive, Jim.
	We all know that.
	He doesn't even know for what I was being sued.
	I mean, is it ridiculous?
	Joaquin, your preliminary reaction to all this.
	Yeah, this is all kind of new material for me because I have not gotten into the nitty-gritty of your case.
	But, I mean, it's as Russ has been saying, that, you know, we have Victor.
	You know, just kind of gravitating to this guy who pretends to be like an expert on the case that really doesn't know anything, that uses his legalese talk to kind of like fool us or apparently in an effort to fool us that he's some kind of expert on this case, but he hasn't done his homework.
	He knows nothing about you.
	So, I mean, it's just preposterous that Victor would try and...
	Basically, degrade your reputation based on total foolery and bullshit.
	I mean, it is pretty amazing to me.
	Yeah, it's 100% bullshit, and he's done it a dozen times.
	He's got a dozen of these hit pieces out there, different shows he's done, and in every one, he puts my name on the cover, so it comes up in a Google search.
	This is clearly an assault on me, and to a lesser extent, on you, Joaquin, on Brian, and now, because Russ has entered the fray, on Russ too!
	But none of it has any substance.
	Here we are at the break.
	We're at the break.
	We'll be right back with our continued discussion.
	Brian is on a stakeout, and therefore can only join us intermittently.
	We'll be right back.
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	I know.
	I know we're not done with the clip, but I just put this up.
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	Russ, continue with your work.
	Joaquin, you had more to say.
	Please, please, please.
	Well, you know, I knew Victor probably just basically during the time that we were together on these programs.
	You know, he went to Annapolis for one year.
	He says he had a knife under his chin where they were hazing him.
	And maybe that trauma just spooked this guy into basically...
	Him or me mentality the rest of his life.
	Who the hell knows?
	Here's the thing, though.
	We never really disagreed with much of the content that he said on all the contributions he made to our programs.
	We all welcomed it, except for the fact that he kept pushing that one Point that became tiresome to hear and basically a disservice to reality and the truth.
	And in some respects, I didn't really necessarily even agree with the point you're disagreeing with.
	But he's gone to a completely different level.
	He's gone to DEFCON 3 by just kind of constantly running these headlines against you guys.
	Over what I think is like a diva-type disagreement.
	I mean, come on.
	At one point, I was calling him a spoiled bratty valley girl.
	And he answered me, and here's what he says.
	He says, well, that kind of sounds misogynistic, Russ.
	What would you think if Brian Davis called you a misogynist?
	And I answered him, I said, well, first of all, I doubt if he ever would call me a misogynist.
	But if he did, the fact is, I'm not a diva, and it probably wouldn't have gone very far.
	So that's how his mind works.
	And he's always quoting God.
	If you look at any of his works, he's got...
	The guy's a total phony.
	I mean, he attacks people's character all the time and then doesn't even look at himself.
	He plays the victim role.
	He attacks the Jews for always playing the victim role, but who does it more?
	I think he does, you know?
	And he attacks others' character that's totally baseless and groundless from reality.
	We never attack him, but he attacks us constantly.
	Publicly.
	If he has an issue, what an adult does is they take the issue aside privately to discuss and resolve.
	But this guy just goes on the air with his little flock of sheep that always support him and badmouth us.
	And so it's like a big game for him.
	And it's really disreputable on his character for him to go to such low-life tactics like this.
	Yeah, I think he kind of, in his mind, thinks it's going to really expand his audience and then he can make all these preposterous claims like he's doing with Jim taking a dive and expand his audience.
	And a lot of his audience are just dumber than nails.
	They really are.
	They are really dumber than nails.
	He's got a lot of trolls.
	He does not have a very high-quality audience at all.
	And he's got a little posse of yes-men that come in and talk to him.
	And are not very scrutinizing in what he says.
	I mean, I've kind of noticed actually lately that some of his yes men have these looks on his face like, what the fuck are you talking about, Victor?
	Like, they may be getting it.
	A couple of them.
	We'll see how that goes.
	He's getting some pushback in his comments, the ones that he allows through.
	They don't stay up very long, though.
	So he's really censoring things and trying to backtrack out of the situation.
	And I'm going to lay down.
	I had kind of an order I wanted to go through because I thought we had to look at the case.
	Okay.
	Should I continue with this?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But let me say that the Nightshade's main argument is that you should have known to get this thing in federal court.
	That's kind of what he says.
	Yeah, and therefore he doesn't need to know anything because I was in federal court.
	But I didn't bring the suit.
	I mean, it was brought against me in surrogate court.
	I didn't know.
	He said, apparently through some legal machinations that you could learn online by Googling it, you should have known to get this thing in federal court.
	To which I responded is, really?
	Is federal court less corrupt than state court?
	What difference does it make?
	It may be that federal court is less corrupt, but I was in no position to move to federal court.
	I mean, that's just insane.
	Let me continue to play it with you.
	Yeah, the clip you have here, Russ.
	Isn't this a First Amendment case?
	Is there some reason, perhaps, why we're not claiming federal question jurisdiction?
	And of course...
	It's not on the screen.
	Very.
	That's his whole shtick.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	Would have thrown a wrench in the works even in Alex Jones' case.
	Well, he was a co-defendant in Connecticut, Halbig was.
	He could have spoiled, as I said, the entire thing by simply saying, hey, wait a minute.
	I checked Google this morning between brushing my teeth and going to the bathroom, and it said we need to claim federal question jurisdictions to stay in court and not go back to state court and get hit with a billion-plus-dollar verdict.
	Well, of course, Halbig was dismissed out by that time, but that's skipping ahead a little bit.
	Let's talk about the other Diaz-Brunger here.
	Okay, so what do you think of that, Jim?
	Because he got sued by another C&E college, this time in Wisconsin.
	So he's about to talk about my case and exhaust his knowledge in a sentence or two.
	About Wolfgang?
	About both of you guys should have used the word sequestered to federal court.
	What do you think of that comment?
	Well, I mean...
	Maybe some attorney would have done that had they taken my case, but I couldn't get an attorney to take my case.
	Well, he goes on to say, because you have, you know, both these idiots say the same thing, both Diva and Nightshade, both say that you should have known better because you got doctor in your title, to which I answered, what does that have to do with anything?
	I mean, I've been in litigation.
	It can get expensive really fast.
	I was in a ridiculous litigation where this...
	This unlicensed plumber sued me for kind of some shoddy work he did that I didn't pay him on.
	And he lost.
	I eventually won.
	And I ended up being a pretty good litigator.
	But it wasn't easy.
	There was a lot of expense.
	Easy to make legal mistakes.
	So this pompous nightshade to show up and say, all you've got to do is Google it and you should have known how to win your case.
	That's what these idiots are basing their whole...
	The allegation against you on...
	Oh, then also on the fact that you should have known to get insurance, you know, liability insurance on your book.
	So we'll go to that part next.
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's go further because I have a lot to say about that too.
	Hang on.
	And try to get the picture up on the screen.
	I'm going to represent myself.
	Can you see it or not see it?
	No, you have my website, and it's kind of blurred, actually.
	$450 adverse judgment.
	He appeals it to the Supreme Court of the United States.
	Again, pro se, on his own, writing his own little briefs, and they told him to pound sand.
	It seems very convenient, you know, this going pro se like Halbig did.
	Now, this is not just James Fetzer.
	This is...
	Dr. James Fetzer, a college professor turned Professor Emmett Harris.
	You know how college professors make their bread and butter, Victor Hugo?
	You know what they do to get tenure and maintain it and have their career advance?
	You know what college professors do?
	Write books?
	Yeah, they publish.
	They all become legal experts, huh, asshole?
	Everybody with a doctor and their title is a big legal expert.
	I think he might have got, oh, I don't know, a publisher's liability policy, you know, to provide.
	Why?
	The U.S. Safety Commission wants to pay.
	Yeah, this is a...
	...in case he got sued in publishing such a controversial book.
	Do you think he might have self-insured for a little bit?
	He probably could have got rid of the...
	This is just idiotic, as I pointed out in my comments on your splendid article, Russ.
	Publishers get liability insurance.
	They're the ones who are putting the book out in the public marketplace.
	Not authors, not editors.
	I mean, he just has his head where the sun doesn't shine.
	He doesn't even understand the nature of publication, the process, the division of labor.
	It's stunning to me.
	Joaquin, your thought.
	Well, you know, it's a case of Victor seeking out a guy that's just going to blow smoke up his ass against you.
	You know, it's ridiculous to me.
	Actually, I believe that's why I was always saying all along.
	This guy, Victor, is not even worth trying to do any kind of rebuttals because he's showing himself to be a total idiot in front of a lot of people, you know?
	And I believe that he's going to basically fizzle out because he's going after anything that he can do to attack character.
	And it's totally uncalled for, because none of us have done anything wrong towards him.
	You know, that's the crazy thing.
	Nor in terms of the law.
	I mean, if he read my Supreme Court brief about the 7th and 14th Amendment, I mean, it's sensational.
	It teed up the key issue.
	Because I raise this at the lower-level courts.
	The Posner team argued.
	At the Supreme Court, even though it has endorsed the other nine of the first ten amendments as applicable in every state, it has never affirmed the seven as being applicable in every state, which is another reason they ought to have taken my case.
	Declaring the Seventh Amendment, the right to a trial by jury, applies to every state, which they have oddly enough never done, not to mention throwing out the differences between the states, because in Texas, this case they would have been thrown out.
	I mean, there are a dozen reasons why that would have happened right off the bat.
	But in Wisconsin, and because they had accommodating judge.
	It was allowed to move forward.
	And then he systematically excluded all the proof.
	The judge systematically again and again and again excluded my proof.
	I mean, it was stunning so that he could claim there were no disputed facts.
	Because it excluded all my facts, and if you exclude one party's facts, yes, there are no disputed facts, because all that remains was, in this case, the facts asserted by the plaintiff, which I was in a position to prove to be false.
	I mean, it was just outrageous.
	Russ?
	Well, yeah, I mean, so we've got a series of just totally incorrect comments by this nightshade.
	Yeah?
	He's just one right after the other.
	Admitting he doesn't know your work, giving legal advice, Monday morning quarterbacking.
	I mean, you could probably bring a lawyer in and Monday morning quarterback your case.
	I'm sure you could.
	And somebody could come in and pick you apart.
	Why didn't you play that way?
	Why didn't you go that way?
	But it ain't that easy when you're in these courts and you're paying out of your own pocket.
	And some things you try to do on your own.
	Because if you'd actually try to hire an expensive attorney and defend this case, It would have just wiped you out financially.
	So in some ways, the way the system is set up, you almost kind of had to go do a lot of this stuff on your own.
	Well, I wound up about a hundred grand in legal bills when I finally got an attorney after the verdict had been rendered, but before the trial for damages.
	And I paid them off about 38 grand and owe the balance.
	This attorney shows no appreciation to the pressures of going up against a well-heeled crime syndicate, really, in a corrupt court.
	There's no concept whatsoever.
	And neither does Victor.
	And Victor's just sitting there just licking his chops because he thinks he's got one on you.
	Because he's all about his diva type of operation.
	He's a diva.
	Divas like to get revenge.
	They like paybacks.
	That's all that really matters.
	And then he just swears allegiance to God the whole time he does it.
	His other favorite trick, lately I've noticed with me, is he'll put my name in the title and then you go and look at the material and I have nothing to do with anything in the material.
	He does that a lot.
	Yes, he does.
	I wrote it and I said, Victor, you only spent seven seconds on me.
	That's all you got?
	Let me play more.
	I would have filed a notice of removal and a motion to dismiss for $25,000.
	Absolutely.
	I probably would have done a 12B6 motion to dismiss and not be anti-slap, but it wouldn't have cost that much.
	But again, we are dealing with a standard of probable cause here in order for a grand jury to open an investigation, issue subpoenas, issue indictments, if probable cause is found on relevant counts of an indictment. if probable cause is found on relevant counts of an See, there he's talking about Sandy Hook.
	He's not talking about my lawsuit.
	He's talking about opening a case against the participants in the event in Connecticut.
	I mean, this is so wrong.
	Joaquin, your thought.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, they cherry-pick every point and don't allow the bigger truth to come out.
	I mean, it's so one-sided, it's a hit job.
	Yes, 100%.
	I'll continue playing indictment.
	Go up to 108. The cause exists here, given that there's no question that these fraudsters would not have sued anyone.
	Unless that person would take a dive on the defense.
	Really?
	Really?
	Agree.
	That's a pretty big leap.
	That's a pretty big leap of logic there, dude.
	They wouldn't have sued unless somebody would take a dive for them.
	That's really a big leap.
	Come on, this guy's never been in court.
	He's a contract lawyer.
	He's never been litigated.
	I have more experience in litigation than this guy, just being in one case that I was involved in.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Remember, nobody would bring a slap suit against you?
	And he's saying, and Todd Callender agrees with him?
	Does Todd Callender know my case?
	I mean, for crying out loud.
	You got one ignoramus citing another.
	And here, basically, I think you got one op citing another.
	That's what's taking place.
	So either of them were authoritative or reliable sources.
	They are.
	Perverting the facts of the matter for purpose of propaganda.
	I've been forced to conclude that Victor is either mentally deranged or some kind of op.
	And he's not mentally deranged.
	And you can tell because he systematically excludes all the evidence in the comments that contradict the position in this.
	Fly-by-night attorney.
	I mean, how else do we describe this wind guy?
	He's too systematic.
	He's too persistent.
	He's got an agenda.
	You don't do 12 stories over a minor disagreement over the way you express your concern about the role of Jewish influence on American politics and turn it into a mountain.
	I mean, this is a molehill.
	It's just insulting, Joaquin.
	Well, you know, for a quarter century, I was a licensed marriage family therapist.
	And I have to say that this guy, Victor Hugo Vaca, is like, you know, like Russ is saying, he's like a diva.
	He has this need to basically protect himself by attacking others.
	And his reputation is everything.
	But he undoes everything by his low-life tactics, taking things out and making it public.
	You know, it's like he's a narcissist, and he has this injury, and he will go on the attack rather than deal with his own baggage that he's carried out for, what, 50-something years of his life, apparently.
	You know, so yeah, I think the guy's got some mental.
	And I also concede the possibility, I won't say probability, but possibility that you're onto something, that it's a psyops and he's being paid by somebody, and who knows if he's actually in the Soviet Republic X of Georgia.
	Who knows?
	Well, on that note, let's go to, I think we're through this part, right?
	All right.
	Okay, go to 124.15, because this ties in to what Joachim just said.
	124.15.
	Very brief, about 30 seconds.
	...to share their stories, because the point is to learn from every guest.
	And so what's happened is I've been sometimes doing three to four shows a day, and because I live on the border with Russia, I have been working at night, so my sleep schedule's all off, because I do shows.
	Like at midnight or 10 p.m., and then I stay up till 7, so I sleep during the day.
	So I'm working on a U.S. and Canada schedule.
	But what was, again...
	Stop.
	Had you...
	Stop, yeah.
	Okay, so he's working on a U.S.-Canada schedule.
	I mean, he gets maybe 1,000 views.
	There's no way I would be working on a U.S.-Canada schedule on my side.
	No way.
	When you're in the Czech Republic, you may not know, you're also in Eastern Europe.
	So I'm not going to be working in the middle of the night on his nonsense.
	I have to say that here in Bali, it's one to three that I do this program.
	So I have to admit that I do kind of work that midnight shift.
	My honest opinion after all this is I think that Victor Hugo has an apartment in Brooklyn.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, in fact, the challenge to Victor, if you're listening, and I'm sure you're going to listen, what we need to see is some proof that you're actually in the Republic of Georgia.
	It's very easy to do.
	I could go to Nieminski Miro here in Prague, take a picture in front.
	I could go down to Nieminski Miro.
	Subway line, Metro line, take a picture next to the sign there and show everybody watching where I am.
	Can you do that, Victor?
	Can you go to any iconic Georgian site and take a photo?
	Can you go into one of the local taverns?
	Can you show us a dot?
	I think you've been there about a year.
	It's about time for you to file documents with the immigration police if you're planning a longer stay.
	So prove to us that you're actually in the Republic of Georgia.
	And the other thing I want you to prove is that you're not Jewish or not half-Jewish.
	And it's a challenge.
	Look, the way Victor defines the Jew, they're prevaricators, liars, exaggerators.
	They make shit up all the time.
	He claims they also play the victim card.
	They're constantly the victim.
	And, of course...
	They're endlessly attacking people with no justification.
	He satisfies those questions, leading me to ask, who's the Jew?
	We want to see them.
	Ancestry.com, 23andMe.
	I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
	In fact, I've got mine right here on the screen if you want to see it.
	It says Askenazi Jew 0. So if anybody thinks I'm involved in any of this...
	But I got my doubts about you, Victor.
	I'm kind of guessing you probably got a Jewish grandfather or maybe half-Jew.
	Where now for a further glimpse, Ross?
	Okay, we're about done.
	Just go to 110 to 111. 110 to 111, okay.
	Well, listen to the contorted logic on this one.
	For years.
	Where?
	In circles.
	That's where.
	Mired in meaningless, conflicting details and getting no tangible results.
	Halbig and Fetzer threw the defense of their Sandy Hook cases.
	Same as Alex Jones.
	Who do you think they were working for from the very beginning?
	I'll tell you who.
	Hopper.
	That's who.
	Hopper spelled with this very special O here.
	As you can see, Victor Hugo, on his breastplate.
	Can you see where I've got my curse?
	Interesting.
	Fetzer admitted that he voted for Obama twice and that he staked his reputation on the research done by Bryan Davidson into the Sandy Hook case.
	I don't know if you know how deep he is with Bryan Davidson.
	So now things are starting to make sense because I was like, why is...
	Is Jim Fetzer staking his reputation on Bryan Davidson?
	And now I realize, wait a minute, Bryan Davidson probably has something on Jim Fetzer in relation to the information that Jim Fetzer used from the private detective Bryan Davidson.
	He's knee-deep in this stuff.
	All we know is that...
	By the way, I told an email, I told Victor, right when you got the feud just started, that...
	You and Brian Davidson had a long history of doing different false flag and stage deceptions.
	I sent him a show that all three of us were on together.
	I said, I've worked with Brian Davidson and Jim Fetzer on these shows.
	So I alerted him way early on about the Brian Davidson involvement in your research.
	Now he's acting surprised in this particular scene.
	Listen, listen.
	I published a book in 2015, 13 contributors, none of them is named Brian Davidson.
	I was sued in 2018. I didn't even have contact with Brian Davidson until at least 2021. Yeah, later stage deceptions, right.
	Right, so that's more misdemeanor.
	It's just absurd!
	And, you know, I mean, I was so far deep into it.
	I mean, Brian, I first had the benefit of his...
	We did a show where he was talking about the use of the Internet to do investigation because he is a private investigator and bastard them.
	That was our first contact.
	So he included that in photographic analysis.
	So I sent him a photograph just without any identification, and he tracked it down.
	To the parking lot of Sandy Hook, even identified by shadow analysis the evening of the shooting on 14 December, the evening after the event.
	And yet what it shows is a crime scene vehicle there, and just above the roof, you can see a string of four windows in Classroom 10 that are intact.
	They would subsequently be presented by the state police as having been shot out.
	And you got Wayne Carver there leaning against the wall.
	You got crime scene tape hub, but that single photograph refutes the whole narrative showing they staged the event.
	And Brian did that from just a photograph.
	He didn't know it was Sandy Hook.
	I would say to Nightshade is I am actually familiar with your work.
	I saw that work.
	You don't even know what you're talking about, Nightshade.
	Yeah.
	Nightshade, a.k.a.
	horseshit.
	We'll be right back.
	With Russ Winter, Joaquin at Gold Pit, Brian's on a stakeout.
	We'll be right back.
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	Am I raising my voice too loud?
	What's that?
	Am I raising my voice too loud?
	I'm getting kind of excited, aren't I? I can't hear you.
	Am I raising my voice too loud?
	No.
	During the show?
	I'm fine?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Was it a conspiracy?
	Did you know that the police in Boston were broadcasting, this is a drill, this is a drill, on bullhorns during the marathon?
	That the Boston Globe was tweeting that a demonstration bomb would be set off during the marathon for the benefit of bomb squad activities, and that one would be set off in one minute in front of the library, which happened as the Globe had announced.
	Peering through the smoke, you could see bodies with missing arms and legs.
	But there was no blood.
	The blood only showed up later and came out of a tomb.
	They used amputee actors and a studio-quality smoke machine.
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	Let me add what could qualify as conclusive proof that this is all fraudulent, which is the fact that my efforts to reopen the case, where Ryan's latest affidavit is so good in telling, where Ryan's latest affidavit is so good in telling,
	My latest efforts to open the case are bringing charges against the judge and the Bosner attorneys for collusion in violating my constitutional rights under color of law.
	In other words, it's a very opposite of what he claims happened, taking a dive.
	Because here I am disputing the whole bloody case, claiming it was corrupt from the beginning.
	In fact, they actually made a substitution of the death certificate that I'd published in the book with another, where the one published in the book had no file number, it had no town or state certification, but the one that they attached to the complaint had all of the above.
	In other words...
	They were perpetrating a fraud from the beginning.
	And in addition, they buried the affidavit of Kelly Watt, where she affirmed that the death certificate that I had published in the book was the same that she had been provided by the plaintiff, calling himself Leonard Posner.
	They buried it.
	They also, of course, excluded, as I've already explained, all the massive evidence I had that included FBI consolidated crime report for 2012 showing no deaths in Newtown, no murders, or non-negligent manslaughter in Newtown for 2012, where Sandy Hook being a part of Newtown means even the FBI affirms there were no deaths in Newtown, including Sandy Hook, the FBI. And they excluded that.
	Not only, but I had two forensic document experts.
	We obtained additional copies of the death certificate.
	You've heard the two already.
	The one attached to the complaint, which was a complete death certificate, versus the one published in the book, which was an incomplete death certificate.
	And get this under Connecticut law.
	Not even parents are allowed to possess incomplete death certificates.
	I solicited the reports of two, not one, but two forensic document experts.
	We also had obtained directly from the state another death certificate and one from the town clerk.
	Four altogether before the oral hearing, each of which was different.
	And the two forensic document experts concluded all four of them were fake.
	And this was before the judge...
	During the oral hearing that he just set it aside is not helpful.
	Because in Wisconsin, the judge is allowed to make discrimination about evidence.
	In other words, I was subjected to a non-jury trial where the judge was deciding both the evidence, which he's not ordinarily allowed to do, that is left after the jury, and the law.
	So the whole thing was rigged.
	And if this guy were at all an honest broker, this Wynn, the young guy, were at all an honest broker, he would have at least reviewed my case and where it stands today and he'd say there's nothing to, it contradicts all of his claims.
	Because I'm going after those.
	He claims I took a dive.
	Well, if I took a dive, why am I fighting it so furiously?
	With one claim after another.
	Right now I have three appeals before the Court of Appeals here in Wisconsin disputing what happened to me and how I was trashed during the trial.
	He's ignoring all of that.
	This is clearly a sigh-out.
	There's no other explanation or else the most stunning display of utter incompetence ever produced on...
	Well, let's get a broader, higher scope perspective of the whole incident at Sandy Hook, the one that occurred in Colorado.
	These were early episodes of mass gun shootings in the schools, and there's been...
	What?
	Probably over a dozen of them all through the years.
	So what we have here, really, first of all, it's a kangaroo court that went against you, not allowing you to present all the evidence.
	I mean, what kind of court does that that's other than a kangaroo court?
	And then the broader perspective is we have a situation where we had Obama as the president, and the agenda is To have all these mass gun shootings so that they can collect the guns and get rid of the Second Amendment.
	That's what this whole thing is all about.
	So some of them, you know, are situations where victims actually did die and others where, in the case of Sandy Hook, obviously nobody died, as your book states.
	And you make all the evidence to back that up.
	So the big perspective is we keep having these mass shootings all the time because they're trying to get the, quote, evidence.
	It's all fake because we have intelligence services, FBI, CIA. We have intelligence services, police, that are behind all of these incidents.
	There are plenty of people that have innocently died in many, many of these mass gun shootings, but it's all for the purpose of getting rid of our guns.
	I mean, this is the thing.
	We are the last country on this earth, apparently, where guns are so prevalent amongst the privately owned, rightful...
	And so, because the guns got confiscated in Britain, they got confiscated with mass gun shootings in Australia and New Zealand more recently.
	You know, they've gone after all of the Western countries, English speaking, except for America, still the holdout, where there's more guns out there, privately owned, than there are citizens.
	And that's what they've been going after.
	Let me just add, not only did Amazon ban Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, but it also banned my books on the Boston bombing, on Orlando and Dallas, on Charlottesville, on Parkland, even on the moon landing.
	Though that appears to be because there was a section of essays disputing the official narrative of the Holocaust, and that one, unlike the others, appears to have been at the request of the ADL. Which asked Amazon to ban any book that has muted the Holocaust, and Amazon obligingly banned between 200 and 2,000 books.
	I mean, it's outrageous.
	But together with Brian and others, Scott Bennett now departed.
	I've also done research on Las Vegas, on Uvalde, on the top shooting in Boulder, on Nashville.
	They're all fake.
	Every one of them is fake.
	And frankly, nobody died at any of those with the sole exception of in Las Vegas.
	We had a body on the ground in the 32nd floor suite that was supposed to be Stephen Paddock, the millionaire who went on a shooting binge inexplicably.
	And there's shell casings on top of the block.
	As Scott Bennett observed, I mean...
	Once you are dead, you stop shooting.
	And the shell casing includes some from CO2 pellet gun cartridges and blanks.
	You know, there's a prop master just threw him down not knowing the difference, thinking nobody would even notice.
	But they can't recruit crisis actors if everyone's going to turn up dead in Boston.
	It's fascinating.
	They use amputee crisis actors.
	I mean, it's fascinating.
	And I will concede, yes.
	The older brother that they accused, and that was all arranged, may have been killed.
	I mean, I was grateful when one commentator, comment now removed, of course, by Victor Hugo, said how my work on Boston bombing was sensational.
	It is sensational.
	It's such a clear cut.
	Get this.
	The Boston Globe was tweeting that a demonstration bomb would be set off.
	During the marathon for the benefit of bomb squad activities.
	And they said, one will be set off in one minute almost at the library.
	And one minute later, one's set off in front of the library.
	As a former artillery officer in the Marine Corps, I can assure you, these were puff pieces.
	These explosives were not powerful enough to kill anyone unless we were absolutely sitting right on top of it.
	The whole thing was fraudulent.
	As Cramras came into the smoke, you saw bodies lying there missing arms and legs, but there was no blood.
	As Lorraine Day explained, you cannot have limbs blown off by explosives and there'd be no blood, where she ran the trauma center for San Francisco Hospital for 25 years.
	And then the blood shows up and it came out of these little orange duffel bags that had fake blood kits.
	I mean, it's just outrageous what they have done.
	And what is it, an admission to say I voted for Barack Obama?
	Did he look at the alternatives that candidates that Obama was running against, like John McCain?
	Anyone in the right mind?
	Jim, your mistake is that you voted all.
	That's the only mistake you've made.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you.
	And of course, I voted three times now for Donald Trump.
	Joaquin, I mean, this whole thing is so outrageous.
	And let me mention something, that D.Va and Nightshade also impugned a really great man in Wolfgang Halbig, who's not here to defend himself.
	We're kind of defending him de facto.
	But Wolf Halbig did not lose his case.
	He didn't take a dive.
	He settled and got, you know, and...
	Got out alive, you know, without a big judgment.
	He actually assessed that being identified as the imposter.
	But he did not take a dive for anything.
	He basically, like a lot of cases, get settled.
	And I think Wolfgang had had enough anyway of this research and kind of went into the sunset.
	That's all that happened there.
	They're trying to make it look like he took a dive.
	That is not, you know...
	If you are actually a lawyer, you know that's not a factual statement in terms of the outcome of Wolfgang's case.
	Well, and the law enforcement authorities have been utterly uncooperative with Wolfgang.
	He's even written to the FBI, I mean, repeatedly, about the fraud involved in this case.
	And they won't respond.
	Now, maybe...
	Under the Trump admin, we're going to get some revelations here, but I guarantee you they've been pulling off one staged event after another.
	In fact, Brian and I co-authored a law enforcement false-like stage event checklist so you could go down criteria to determine whether or not what you're witnessing is real or fake, and it's available online.
	You can do a search.
	Law enforcement, false flag, stage of it checklist.
	This is for the benefit of the audience, but I'll put a link in the comment, the discussion of today's show, so anyone can find it.
	And it has links to lots and lots of cases.
	I did, years ago, how to spot a false flag in two bars.
	And I went through a whole host, including in...
	Yeah, in France, Nice, they had that big truck, 18-wheeler, in an area where big trucks weren't even legally allowed, supposed to have mowed down 84 Leapol, and you take a close-up, and they were mannequins.
	They had mannequins in the street.
	They had pig's blood in the street.
	Right, right, right.
	And I go through all of these others, including Sandy Hook, Boston Bomb, Parkland.
	Las Vegas.
	I mean, it's all there.
	How to spot a false flag.
	And there's another version.
	I went through it with Catherine Horton, and we did it in four parts because Catherine had so many excellent comments to add.
	So I encourage everyone, search for how to spot a false flag.
	And in brief comments, I think, you know, an hour and a half or whatever, you're going to understand how the country has been played.
	I got to leave now, but I got to make one more final challenge to Victor.
	I want to see some photos of you actually in Georgia.
	I want to see proof that you're not just sitting in some backdrop somewhere in Brooklyn or wherever, or Florida.
	And I also would like to see your Ancestry.com.
	So that's my challenge to Diva Victor.
	Excellent.
	Excellent.
	Ross, you did a great job.
	I encourage everyone to visit Winter Watch.
	Check this out.
	There are lots of comments there and links on his wonderful blog.
	And we shall persevere.
	Ross, great job.
	Great job.
	Great job.
	Thanks, Ross.
	Wonderful having you here.
	Now, Joaquin, you have a new piece.
	One more point on what we've been talking about.
	Detect a false flag on.
	Is it the same crisis actors keep showing up?
	And there's a whole bunch of cases where, yeah, the same people are used time after time.
	So that's one more.
	But yeah, okay, we can move on.
	You're absolutely right.
	You're absolutely right.
	Some of these crisis actors just show up all over the place, and it's pretty damn embarrassing.
	I love it.
	You are so right.
	Now, what we have here is this new piece of yours.
	Donald Treep, one-week report card is out now.
	Run for the hills.
	Joaquin, would you like, for the sake of simplicity, give us a sketch of what you're reporting here?
	I mean, this is getting a very positive reception.
	Well, he came out his first day basically running with signing up.
	Well, first of all, yeah, he gave his inauguration speech and they went through the ritual of all that, swearing in and the whole bit.
	But he outlined basically between the inauguration speech and...
	All the executive orders that he's signed.
	I mean, I think he's signed probably more than any other president ever in a matter of one or two days.
	And a lot of them.
	I totally agree.
	You know, he really came down hard on DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, and the whole woke movement, the whole transgender.
	Damage being done for years now, for many younger generations now, have been subjected to this.
	And he went after some really critical points that are all in the positive direction, seemingly anyway.
	He got us out of the World Health Organization for the second time.
	That's a big one right there.
	Of course, the money, the first time when he got us out, the America left, the money just went over to Gates, and Gates was funding it completely, and he has been.
	But anyway, yeah, he got us out of the World Health Organization, which is a positive.
	And he also...
	Got us out of the Paris climate agreement.
	And that was for the second time also.
	And that's a positive step.
	So he's moving in the right direction with some of his executive orders.
	And so I give him credit on the first part of my article where I focus on these positives that he's come out doing and saying.
	As part of his agenda for his administration in the second term.
	But the last, I would say probably last third of my article consists of the real evidence.
	I mean, I attribute those first things as more cosmetic value, more superficial than the bottom line truth is the...
	Last third of my article, which gets into the whole idea that he's hooked up with all these billionaires from the tech industry.
	He's got Peter Thiel.
	He's got his number one guy.
	They're like two peas in a pod now, Elon Musk.
	The richest man in the world.
	And, you know, and then he's got, you know, he did that.
	The very first full day on the job, it was January 21st, January 21st, Tuesday.
	He parades these three tech guys, Altman, you know, the open AI guy, which is really a bad deal.
	And China beat us to the point where they came out with Deep Seek.
	You know, that AI, and it's for free, by the way, and the whole thing with the open AI that Altman's behind is all money, and it's not even as quality.
	That's my understanding of it.
	But the bottom line is that these tech guys go out there, and then Larry Ellison, who's the Oracle guy, starts talking about...
	His data center's in Texas, and they're prepared to basically take blood samples and immediately, within 48 hours, come up with a diagnosis and a, get this, like we haven't had enough, mRNA vaccine.
	That's going to take care of.
	That's going to cure your cancer or whatever ailment, disability, disease you are suffering from.
	So it's like, you know, and then, you know, as part of this whole plan that Trump is part of, there's a whole entrance exit strategy on the digital ID. They're bringing all that back.
	They never left it.
	Yes, they got pushed back with COVID. They overplayed their cards.
	People saw through it.
	And they're trying it again.
	We knew that the perpetrators behind the Holocaust of the fake vaccine and the damage the Holocaust still undergo, we're undergoing that where there's more deaths all the time.
	So they pulled it back.
	But they're bringing it right back.
	Basically, you will not be able to leave the country unless you're a digital ID person and you have all the mRNA shots that are going to be required.
	I mean, they almost went that far completely in America with the COVID. But you know the agenda is to go anywhere in this world.
	That's where they're going with this.
	And so...
	That tells you everything that you need to know that there is an agenda of depopulation of the human race and it's being basically we have Trump being the guy that's going to usher it all in.
	He's basically the battering ram, the polarizer that's going to Withstand all kinds of false flags coming up.
	This is what's coming down the line.
	And he's going to create, basically, a neo-Nazi police state.
	That's where we're headed on a very, very rapid, rapid scale.
	I hate to hear you say that.
	You know, he's talking so much about free speech, but we know he's also talking about deporting.
	Anti-genocide protesters under the guise of anti-Semitism.
	I mean, I'm floored by that.
	Wow.
	Yeah, they had a May Day, May 1st, where the Congress is completely owned and controlled by Israel through AIPAC. And they passed this law where they basically conflate any criticism of the genocide with anti-Semitism.
	And when they were doing that, and he was running for president last year, he was basically saying, yeah, we got to do something about all these protesters out there, you know, violating laws of anti-Semitism.
	So, you know, the writing is on the wall where they're going.
	And, you know, so I'm saying they got all the technology now.
	You know, they have the...
	Photography of, you know, the ID going, the 24-7 surveillance going, the whole idea of a data center that's going to give you within 48 hours the diagnosis and the treatment with an mRNA vaccine.
	I mean, all of it's headed in the most dystopia direction of total Misery, enslavement.
	And he's the guy.
	And then I ran across where his thing is, make America great again, MAGA, with a capital M-A-G-A. Well, then there's a word that's not capitalized called MAGA, and the meaning of that is sorcerer, you know, magician.
	And so he's the guy that's going to come in as the showman.
	He's been a showman all his life.
	And he's going to usher in this dark age where there's dystopia enslavement put upon every surviving member on the earth.
	So yeah, we're headed for some very grave times ahead.
	Well, again, it just takes my breath away.
	I mean, I find it so hard to wrap my mind around all of this, the idea that a guy I've supported so strongly for so long, but with reservations about his attitude toward Israel and Palestinians, and here he even seemed to be supporting ethnic clans by moving them to Lebanon, Jordan, or his Trump team was even bloating the idea.
	Sending all the Palestinians to Indonesia temporarily while they rebuild Gaza, they claim.
	But, you know, it's not going to be temporary in any shape or form.
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	Joaquin, all things considered, I was pretty happy with our coverage of the Victor Hugo saga, which is bizarre in the extreme.
	And I think you're...
	Background as a counselor, as a certified married counselor, has given you insight into his character that qualify you in ways to make those observations none of us possess.
	But I think you have nailed it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He is a sad case.
	He's got a very intelligent mind, but he misuses his energy.
	Where he takes things very personally.
	He's got a huge ego, and he feels he's being attacked when he's not.
	And then has a vendetta, you know, as playing the victim role.
	You know, and then makes it public.
	And that's the part that really gets me.
	An adult will settle their issues in private.
	You know, that's what happens.
	You have a disagreement or a conflict, and you don't take it out on the air so that you can have your little, you know, crony crowd, you know, shill crowd right in.
	Oh, yeah, those guys are blah, blah, blah, blah, you know.
	It's just drama.
	So I think, you know, Russ tagging him with the title of diva is very fitting because he goes for this audience effect rather than deal directly with the people at hand.
	And I think we pretty much call them for what he is.
	And he needs to grow up and move on.
	He's going to lose his little fan club because they're going to get bored with it, actually, if he does it much longer.
	But, you know, he's got a pattern because he went after, what, the SGT report.
	He's gone after a few people that don't agree with him, you know?
	He was also on Redacted, and they had to redact.
	What he had to say was just this endless repetition of, it's the Jews, it's the Jews.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's going to fizzle out.
	We have a caller I was most hoping would call in because he made an effort to have Victor Hugo call off dogs.
	Paul, join the conversation.
	Your thought.
	Well...
	I gotta say, I always knew that you were some sort of an agent.
	I mean, you know, Miles Massis made that point as well.
	There you go!
	Disinformation specialist, you lost on purpose to add credibility to the fact that everybody died at Sammy Hook.
	Love it, love it, love it.
	Anyway, I gotta say, there was moments of interest.
	I caught most of the show today.
	But overall, you know, hopefully you're done with this.
	My best advice.
	That was a point, Paul.
	That was a point to say it and be done with it.
	We don't want to return, but...
	See, when he's doing a dozen different shows out there, we don't respond.
	Some might falsely infer that's because we have no response, because everything he's saying is true, when virtually none of it, virtually all of it is false, and provably false.
	Go on.
	Well, okay.
	So, I mean, you can...
	So I've heard that before, obviously.
	I mean, you didn't originate the idea that if we don't respond, people will think it's that or the other.
	But I don't really believe that's true.
	For the most part, I don't think it's going to garner that much attention.
	It's going to pass.
	I mean, a couple weeks from now, at the most, it's going to be, you know, down the memory hole, in my opinion.
	Generally, in life, it's best to ignore stuff like that.
	I mean, we've all been wronged.
	We've all felt, you know, dishonored.
	And in some cases have things said about us that we, you know, take issue with.
	And, you know, I get it.
	I mean, you know, it's infuriating.
	There's no doubt about it.
	But, you know, my best advice is just to ignore and it goes away because he's in no way as significant a figure as you are.
	And that's just me saying that's not, you know, I'm not trying to butter you up, but it's just it's just a fact you're far more well known than he is.
	And I don't really think that, you know.
	Throwing rocks at you is going to get him anywhere.
	And I've seen some of the comments on his sites and, you know, on his shows.
	And they're just silly.
	There's a couple of people there that are just really, really dumb.
	So what can you do?
	They're praising him, saying, I always suspected Fetzer.
	You know, you've outed him as an agent.
	You know, congratulate him for his brilliant work.
	Paul, I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your effort when you wrote to Victor Hugo to tell him you thought he was going way over the top and that this was really pointless and a bad idea.
	Yeah, well, I didn't see it as anything when, you know, he sent me the link to the video where it happened and he asked me before, you know, before I responded to him, he asked me, what did I think about it?
	Okay.
	In other words, would I be interested to come on its show and talk about it?
	I didn't know anything about it, and then I watched it, and literally, it's like nothing.
	I use the fact that you and I have had big blow-ups, but overall, when you just go across the internet and you have listened to a few podcasts here and there and you know certain people, there's almost always some sort of...
	You know, what I call rancor between different people at different times.
	Yes.
	And this was, you know, this was a minor blip on the radar.
	I didn't see any big deal.
	So Brian Davidson got all huffy and walked upset.
	Okay, big deal.
	Like, what, that's never happened before?
	And then, you know, I mean, and then your treatment, you know, of the whole thing, I mean, you were just pretty much on the show.
	You kind of just were nonplugged, you know.
	A little bit of a smile on your face, like, oh, well, this kind of stuff happens.
	And then for him to somehow later on construe that all as backstabbing and cowardice, it's like, I just never got it.
	Very good, Paul.
	Very good.
	Joaquin, any thoughts about Paul's comments?
	Yeah, related.
	We have basically the other side.
	That engages in psyops where it's divide and rule.
	That's how the elites have maintained their power for centuries.
	They keep dividing and ruling us so that they pit us against each other.
	And because of the fact that most people realize that the mainstream legacy media is full of shit and lies, They gravitate to the internet with the alt news industry.
	And as a response to that, they put in a lot of shills that try and do just what the diva is doing.
	Dividing and ruling, putting people against each other so that...
	The population at large doesn't know who to believe, and it's always come to that.
	And that's one of the reasons that, as a journalist, my forte is writing.
	I'm okay with being on the air and talking, but that is not my best skill.
	And I stay as a loner, basically, with my writing career.
	Because of the fact that there's always these egos involved in this alt news world where they want to be famous, where they want to have money, where they want to get noticed and, you know, be influencers, as they are called, you know, rather than, you know, try and stick with the truth, you know, try and get the truth out there and keep doing that.
	That is your motivation, you know, not to be famous or all this crap.
	But I'm afraid that there are many people in the alt-news media that are like that, and they invariably create drama.
	And so, to me, this is probably another situation where either a nutcase is out there in the victor, or it's a psyops put together by the other side to disrupt and smear.
	The reputations of the truth-tellers.
	That's how I see it.
	Paul?
	Well, you know, that could very well be.
	I really don't know if that's the case, being some sort of an operative on a mission, or this is just part of his personality.
	I mean, I made the comment to Jim before, and we even joked about it.
	I said it to Victor himself, because people had mentioned that he has all the hallmarks and the personality of a Brooklyn Jew.
	Okay.
	I mean, you know, he and I laughed about it because I called him flat out.
	And, you know, somebody else that I know made that comment as well.
	That, you know, like I said, he has, in many ways, he could be either or.
	In other words, as far as his physical appearance, he could be Jewish or not.
	But the way he talks, the way he acts, and his accent, and literally, it's like he could very well be, you know, Jewish himself.
	We don't know.
	Oh, I've been forced to that inference myself.
	I think his whole shtick of being in the Republican Georgia on the Russian border is a fantasy.
	It's a prop.
	I think he actually has an apartment in Brooklyn.
	I'm in agreement with your speculation.
	I think that's exactly the score here.
	I think he's a Jewish Santa Claus.
	The challenge that Russ Winter put out was, okay, let me see your genealogy and hold up a newspaper, a Georgian newspaper with current names and stuff like that.
	I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
	I love that.
	Joaquin, Joaquin, go ahead.
	You ought to get a word in.
	Yeah, I basically look at him and he looks like Santa, so he could be like a Jewish Santa, you know?
	Yeah, I really want to get this all behind and then we never have to deal with or even mention it.
	Yeah, that's what I just wanted to get on the record response.
	Fairly comprehensive about what's going on here for anyone who is in doubt.
	I mean, that's the idea.
	Not that this should continue.
	I don't want to come back to this on any Raw Deal show in the future, but I think it deserved a response, given how far he's gone with a dozen shows or more, and he set it up so if you do a search on my name, all these shows show up right away.
	I mean, I think it really is a PSYOP. Paul?
	Yeah, like I said, it could be.
	I mean, I don't know, but in my opinion...
	It's such a small corner of the world, the internet.
	I mean, let's face it.
	I've made this comment before.
	It's just the way it is.
	If you were to go around a man-on-the-street interview in any town in America, large or small, and ask the average person about Sandy Hook or Jim Fetzer or Victor Hugo, it'd be like a 90% miss, maybe a 10% hit.
	10% would be a high number, in my opinion, for people that even care or remember.
	You know the way people are.
	They're just out there living their lives, paying $5 for a loaf of bread and $10 for a dozen eggs and $4 for a gallon of gas.
	You guys are trying to survive.
	That's their life.
	What do you think, then, about Joaquin's report card for Trump's first week in office?
	Well, you know, here's the thing.
	As I said, we did a show on Monday on our FTJ network.
	Every Monday is called Based Mondays with Giuseppe, Paul, and David Slerman.
	And then David Scorpio was on, too.
	He's not on every Monday, but he's been coming on a lot.
	And that was a really good discussion.
	I thought I've already listened to the show after we did it.
	But, you know, I made the point, I will concede that intrinsically, okay, the things that he's doing, if they're all true, then that's good, right?
	In other words, he's trying to bring a little bit more normalcy.
	I mean, obviously, I still believe that Trump is a con in the long term, and he's going to serve the powers that be.
	He's not going to serve us.
	I've always said that if we have any sort of...
	A hero or an answer.
	It's not going to come from the billionaire class.
	And so, you know, we shall see.
	I obviously think that there's more than one faction of these Jewish oligarchs, okay?
	And there's one faction.
	They're clearly insane.
	They really do hate America, hate white people, and they want to destroy.
	And I would imagine there's a bunch of other Jews that they have power, but they don't.
	You know, hate America all that much.
	And they're not totally insane.
	And so those are the ones that are supporting Trump.
	So we'll see.
	I mean, he's operating within limited powers, as we all know.
	A lot of people are getting excited about these executive orders.
	But as I've mentioned before, and everybody who studies this will know, executive orders are administrative in nature only.
	They don't have the force and effect of law.
	So, I mean, it's a mixed bag.
	The average person can't wrap their mind around it because we have two things going on.
	And we don't know which are true.
	In other words, we have laws.
	We have policy.
	So what is it?
	So apparently, does policy trump law?
	If we were to look at Joe Biden and Kamala Harris administration and whoever was pulling the strings during that time period, then law means nothing.
	It's all policy.
	So the fact that people are getting upset at this guy Holman and Trump's policy to enforce the law.
	I mean, all they're really doing is using the existing laws to actually, you know, enforce them.
	Like I said, it's really a kind of a...
	A clown world scenario where people were told to believe two different things.
	That individual men and their policy or the government, the administration and its policy are what counts.
	They're more important than the law.
	And then the other hand, we have supposedly law.
	And as you found out, Jim, going into these courts and dealing with what we have, that the law is out the window.
	I learned that myself a long time ago, and that's why I was so easily able to predict what was...
	Come in your case.
	I knew that you weren't going to be allowed to present a defense because I couldn't even use in my ridiculous, you know, traffic court case, I couldn't use court cases and the law to defend myself.
	I mean, and I could show you the motions.
	One of these things, I wrote an eight-page motion, which was just using completely the vehicle code and previous court cases, and they just denied it like it was nothing.
	And I said, how could that be?
	Because this came right out of the law books, right?
	I mean, printed words on paper in law books.
	And then I already knew, you know, the way the world works, right, is that we're dealing in a world of power, and people have power, and they exercise it, and they use essentially what they call, what they tell us is discretion.
	And I remember when the first time I heard this, I go, well, what does discretion have to do with the law?
	Yes.
	They wrote it down for a reason.
	Yes.
	But anyway, you found out.
	In your journey, which I said I always respected, I always admired the fact that you, you know, basically took them on like a tiger.
	But unfortunately, I knew what was going to occur because you're dealing with, you know, it's a star chamber.
	That's really what it is.
	It's been extremely disillusioning for me to learn this lesson, Paul, that you already had acquired.
	Joaquin, I take it you see nothing surprising here in terms of the abuse of the courts.
	I think it's unusual for someone like myself to be taking them on.
	I mean, calling out the judge by name, the attorneys by name, and accusing them of collusion, of a conspiracy.
	To deny my constitutional rights under color of law and to suborn perjury by bringing in an imposter witness they presented as Leonard Posner.
	I mean, I've got all this now before the Court of Appeals District 4 right here in Wisconsin.
	And I'm having a hard time seeing how they're going to deal with it.
	Paul, you're probably going to predict they're just going to ignore it.
	Not reverse, but I'm a tad bit more optimistic.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I mean, I always said to you, okay, so I didn't read all the stuff that you used to post.
	I did read, you know, some of it.
	And, of course, I listened to your shows and I followed along with all your logical, legal arguments and, you know, your positions that you took on certain issues.
	Yeah, it's all solid.
	I knew that you were in the right, obviously, but you're in the twilight zone.
	I mean, you must have felt when you went into so many procedures and you saw and heard what happened, it's like, where the hell am I? It's like the outer limits.
	What's going on?
	Paul, you're completely right.
	You're completely right.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, the court system in America, it is totally corrupted.
	Like every major institution in America, whether it's higher education, the government, all of it, the law enforcement, all of it is corrupted.
	And basically, I mean, how many district attorneys in America have been basically paid off by George Soros?
	I mean, you know.
	Scores of them are working for him.
	You know, they're basically leftists, Marxists, the judges, many of them are.
	So, you know, I mean, what kind of justice do we have?
	I mean, we have yet to see any kind of real court case involving the COVID. I think it's going to, at some point, be broken.
	A couple of attorney generals that are actually taking them on.
	I think one of them is in Missouri and another one in Texas.
	There are cases that are pending against some of the pharmaceuticals, but I think it's going to come down to military tribunals in the end.
	But, you know, how long is it going to take, you know, for actual justice to be served?
	It could be a long, long time because it is so corrupt.
	Here's the thing about what, you know, you're talking about the pharmaceutical, you know, conglomerates, and maybe some attorney general here or there.
	So I've read about some of those cases, and they don't, they miss the mark in many different ways.
	There's a good thorough review.
	I'd have to actually go through my archives to find it, where one of these Substack people, I think it might have been...
	Sasha Latipova, but it could have been somebody else, where they detailed one of these cases, and it did not quite go to the heart of the matter for whatever reason, you know, various legal angles.
	But here's the thing that I'll just respond to that.
	Nobody is forcing anybody, even though they believe that you have to, nobody's forcing anybody to get a vaccine.
	It's just this whole, it's like a religion, it's a belief system.
	I mean, so many people online have come up with these exemptions that people can get for your work, for school.
	There's really no, quote, law that has the force and effect of law that can...
	compel somebody to accept any medical procedure or any injection of any sort.
	But there's such tremendous social and peer pressure, that's how it all works.
	So a lot of things that they're doing, okay, they're already protected from because you can't be compelled to do it anyway, such as get all these different vaccines.
	But, you know, as you know, I told you, you know, when the whole pandemic came down, I saw it with my own eyes, okay, because they were at the Kaiser Hospital.
	Just a few blocks away from where I live.
	I saw people lined up in the parking lot waiting to get their shot.
	And I met a man yesterday.
	Not met a man.
	I knew him already.
	I talked to him.
	He runs a little store that I occasionally will go to.
	And we see each other.
	You know, it's very friendly.
	Hey, how's it going?
	And I don't know how it came up, but he said something about, oh, he lost his father during COVID and that he would have.
	He would have lived if he had got the vaccine.
	I go, oh, no.
	You know, we're in this office just doing a little business.
	I don't have time to give him.
	He doesn't have time to listen to me.
	And I can't just on the fly give him all the links.
	But this is not a dumb guy.
	He's a business owner.
	And he tells me that his father would have lived if he got...
	We have another caller, Paul.
	I'm so glad you called in.
	Anonymous, I think it's JP or Frank.
	Join the conversation either.
	Join.
	Yeah, Miles here.
	Oh, Miles, please.
	It's good to hear Paul made several great points there.
	My question is this, you know, you're going to need, obviously, some type of high-power legal representation to take on any vaccine stuff.
	So why hasn't somebody come out and just made this a class action suit and got a team of 200 lawyers that can handle this kind of something this enormous?
	Miles, have you heard of a guy named Alex Jones and the judgment against him?
	They're scared shitless.
	The whole point has been to intimidate anyone.
	It's like now in Israel.
	If you challenge the October 7th, you can get a $5,000 fine.
	In New Zealand, if you even have the Christchurch video on your computer, a $10,000 fine.
	The massive judgment about Alex would stifle.
	It's because I'm able to proceed, frankly, because attorneys...
	Aren't eager to line up to assist, no matter how much evidence I might have at my disposal.
	Okay, but when you're talking about a case like this, it could be hundreds of billions or trillions or whatever you might have.
	I'm sure there's an attorney firm that would be glad to do it.
	And if not, maybe we could enlist the services of someone like...
	Doug Emhoff, since he's currently not...
	Oh, God!
	Paul, go ahead.
	Respond to Miles.
	Well, okay, but Miles, I'm sure you're aware that since 1986, 1986 is when these vaccine companies were given misimmunity, so they can't be sued, either class action or otherwise.
	Miles, Paul, I'm delighted.
	I'm delighted you called in.
	I'm delighted you called in.
	Thanks to Russ Winter.
	Brian Davidson on stakeout couldn't join.
	Joaquin Agovin.
	Everyone, spend as much time with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about, because we do not know how much time we have left, though I think Donald Trump has given us a little more time, but Joaquin has a very dark view of what is to come.
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