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Jan. 24, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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Sasha Latypova Interview with Victor Hugo Vaca / Jan. 21, 2025
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Thanks for listening.
I want to take that short break here at RevolutionRadio4Umslips.com.
And now we're going to get back to your host.
Hi, you're listening to the Modern Art Gonzo Journalism Show with your host, the Maverick artist, Victor Hugo.
My job is not to be politically correct.
It is to witness, observe, analyze, and document the beautiful chaos that surrounds us all.
So that future generations can understand how we got to this moment in time, where I am blessed to be joined by Sasha Latipova.
And for those who are watching on the Victor Hugo Art channel on Rumble and Maverick Artist Victor Hugo channel on Bitchute, I would ask Sasha if you could please turn...
A camera, if possible, so that they can see you.
And also, if you can give a brief introduction of who you are and a little bit of your background, so that those who are unfamiliar with your work can know a little bit about you.
Thank you.
Hi, thank you for inviting me.
I thought my camera was on.
I can see myself, so I don't know.
Oh, okay.
Yes, we can't see you, but that's okay.
We'll just continue as it is.
And then during the break, we will see if we can...
Or you know what?
Why don't you try...
Let me try calling you back into the conversation.
So if you can hang up and then I'll bring you back in.
How about that?
All right.
Okay.
Okay.
So for those listening in, I will just call her back.
And I think it's better this way that we are able to see because...
The show is also on the channels, like I said.
So let us put her on here.
And let me just work through this here.
Oh, okay.
Let me add her.
Thank you for your patience.
Hmm.
Let's not let me.
Contact her.
So let me see what I can do about this.
Let's see if this works.
And if not, we'll figure this out.
So just experiencing some technical difficulties here.
Thanks for your patience.
This is what happens sometimes.
And here she is now.
So let's see.
And there she is.
It didn't ring.
It's like I had to find it.
I don't know.
Wow.
Okay.
And it looks like we're still recording for those at home.
So yes.
Does it show that it's recording on your end, Sasha?
It definitely shows like it's recording.
Yeah, it says recording started.
So yeah, okay.
Okay.
So we're good.
Okay.
So again...
We are joined by Sasha Latipova.
Are you actually in the Ukraine or in the United States?
No, I'm a U.S. citizen.
I've lived here for 30 years in the U.S. Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Great.
If you can give people a little bit about yourself so that they're familiar with who you are and the great work that you've been doing.
Well, so my background is in pharmaceutical research and development.
I got my I got a graduate degree from Dartmouth College.
I came to the U.S. to study.
And after graduation, well even before, during and after, I worked for primarily pharmaceutical companies in various roles.
And ultimately, I started my own companies.
We were contract research organizations performing clinical trials for pharma companies.
I had over 60 clients, large and small pharmaceutical companies.
Worked with Pfizer a lot.
We had R&D collaborations.
But it was all on the drug side.
I'd never worked on biologics or vaccines.
And I also interacted with FDA. And other global regulators on various issues, data approval, evaluation of better methods to evaluate cardiovascular safety in clinical trials.
So I generally trusted them.
To do the right thing because I've seen them to do the right thing.
And people say, it's always corrupted, it's always bad, it's always a revolving door.
It's not quite true.
Working in the industry, you see a lot of people who actually genuinely believe in doing the right thing and they're trying to do their best.
So I retired from the industry by 2020 and I just focused on my art.
I went to study in Italy.
I had a great life.
And then, you know, this whole COVID thing started and I initially thought it was real.
Initially I thought, you know, maybe there is this virus, maybe it is dangerous.
But I didn't think it was dangerous.
I wasn't really concerned about that.
But I was kind of, well, yeah, they're saying something.
Maybe it's dangerous to some people.
But by March, April, I started seeing the actions of U.S. government that just shocked me.
You know, the prohibition, they started persecuting doctors for trying to treat patients.
All the lockdowns and then subsequent mandates and their focus on This mRNA technology, which I knew a bit about.
I tangentially ran into products like that during my work in pharma, and I knew that they were inherently extremely toxic.
At that time, they were developed only for very terminal cancer conditions and other, you know, very untreatable diseases.
And then in that setting, usually the risk bar is much lower and it's, you know, They tolerate, like in cancer, they put chemo in people, which I'm against, but supposedly the risk-benefit profile is such that you can poison somebody for hope to kill the tumor.
Well, it was the same with these mRNA technologies.
They were always failing, always...
Causing injuries and toxicities, but they will continue being developing because, well, there's nothing else and this is a new platform and so forth.
So when the U.S. government, and specifically President Trump, started promoting them as, oh, we're just going to have these as prophylactic vaccines and everybody's going to be injected and it's going to be great.
Well, then that's when my hair on my back stood up.
And I said, there's no way this is a good idea.
And I started investigating for myself.
And since then, I've been writing.
Well, originally, I was banned everywhere immediately.
The minute I spoke, that was another part of the U.S. government agenda.
To suppress anyone who had any credentials or work experience so that people could not hear my message.
Because if I tell, you know, I worked in pharma and I have this understanding and you shouldn't do it, I sound credible.
And so they immediately went after people like me, like a bunch of my colleagues who also worked in pharma.
They all got suppressed immediately.
I was banned on Instagram where I had only art account.
I only collected art on Instagram.
I didn't do anything else.
And they banned my art account.
So they wanted to deperson me immediately.
So all the outlets that I had were...
And I didn't have any social media presence to begin with other than the art account.
So I started putting videos on Bitshoot because that was the only platform that would allow videos like that.
And I had maybe a couple hundred followers there.
And I worked with another person on the website.
It's called How Bad Is Your Batch?
We were the first researchers who found the variability of batches.
And we put up a website.
That became very, very popular.
And then I started writing Substack.
Now I write.
Substack mostly.
And I have a Twitter account, but Twitter suppresses Substack links.
Anyway, so my following is all on Substack now, where I write articles and provide all the evidence.
And it has now over 500 articles, in-depth articles, video.
I also include my art, although they're completely unrelated, but people seem to like it.
So, you know, I just write an article and I put a piece of art there.
Sasha, I'm curious because you are a modern art gonzo journalist.
Like me, you are using your artistic side of your brain to...
Document this historic time in human history of this depopulation plan.
And I'm wondering if you support me.
That is part of what I call my diary of the world on canvas, when I was told by Judge Donald W. Hefeel, who presided over the Jeffrey Epstein case, and he was enabling the pedophilia in the United States, and he was also presiding over something called the Crackhead Jesus Trials.
I was told during those trials that I could not talk about, write about, or use his name or likeness because I was also filming a documentary called The Marketing of Peace, and I had captured him on film, and he said that if I did any of those things that he would hold me in contempt of court and throw me in prison.
But because I knew that the U.S. justice system was broken and that they were...
Enabling pedophiles and that they were using blackmail and bribery to ensnare these high-level people through Jeffrey Epstein, who are now all over the Senate, the Congress, and positions of power, which is what's enabling this depopulation plan to happen.
I had an internal conflict, like you did, where you knew that something was wrong, but information was being suppressed.
So what I realized was he didn't tell me I couldn't paint about it.
And that's when I said, okay, I'm going to leave cryptic messages in the artwork that allows the viewer to see past the truth and see that his name is there.
Judge Donald W. Hefeel and the case number and the faces of children so that people...
Starting to understand, oh, okay.
And anyway, this led me to exhibit this artwork in China.
I was living in China, and I escaped China two hours before the last border closed on the day that the Wuhan virus whistleblower Dr. Li Wenlang died, and now I'm here in the former Soviet Union Republic of Georgia, and I've done like what you did.
I was reporting the news, but I was being canceled on...
Twitter, I was being cancelled on Instagram.
My art account on Instagram was also cancelled.
Facebook, LinkedIn, all that stuff.
YouTube.
Because I was letting people know what you're letting people know.
So I'm wondering, what was the catalyst as an artist and what have you done since then as an artist to get this message across?
Because in my case, what I realized was I was trying to communicate with people around the world and a picture tells a thousand words.
And even though I was keeping a blog, I noticed most people don't even know how to read.
So I noticed that the art was really influential and using these colors and everything.
and now I'm noticing the art of the podcast where I can meet other artists like you and share your inspirational stories so that other people can become whistleblowers and have a voice.
So yeah no I don't use my art I don't like my art is not political at all it's um I always wanted to do the realist art and study.
I never was able to.
As a child, I did some drawing and I attended some classes, but I was not able to continue education because the Soviet Union fell apart and I had to get a job, kind of sustain myself somehow.
Many decades went by.
I ended up in the US and again, I didn't have any time for my art.
I worked, I'm married, I have two children, so I had two small children.
We were running small businesses.
Forget art.
You'd be happy to get a good night's sleep.
That didn't happen until the kids were...
Almost grown.
And then, you know, we sold companies that we were running.
And I didn't have to work.
So, like, last couple of years before 2020, it was amazing.
I don't have to work.
Finally, I go to Italy for several months to study with the person that I deeply admire.
And that's all I do.
It's like, you know, it's just like a fairy tale.
I thought this was amazing.
My art is more in the tradition of Russian academic school.
Wrapping those types of guys.
That's what we were studying.
It's kind of how I was inspired to work.
I did oil quite a bit.
More recently...
Dabbled in watercolor, but watercolor is a very, very difficult medium if you want to do a good watercolor.
I mean, anybody can do a watercolor in children, right?
But if you want to do a really good watercolor, it's probably the most difficult medium out there.
And, you know, so I lately picked it up because I had some...
And my readers like them.
And I also thought, well, it's actually kind of faster than oil, again, if you know what you're doing.
So I said, well, I'll invest some time in studying it.
I went to study with a great contemporary watercolorist, a little, just for a week, Alvaro Castanet.
And that was awesome.
He's super fun.
So I still try to dedicate some time to art, but the subjects and what it is, it's just realist.
I love portraiture.
I made some multi-group compositions, although those are difficult and take a lot of time.
Most of the time, if I have a little bit of time, I'll do a still life, I'll do a little landscape, and I put it up with my...
With my articles that have nothing to do with it.
And people say, well, I read your article and I freak out and then I see your painting and it makes me feel better.
And I was like, okay, great.
So that's kind of balancing the message of my articles.
Do you find that that also gives you the strength to do what you do as essentially you're a whistleblower and...
Many consider you a hero because in a time where people were so afraid that they were just believing everything they were told by these talking heads, you came out and went completely against the grain.
And that took a lot of strength, not only of character, but also just overall.
I mean, it's just a...
Tremendous amount of strength.
Did you feel that your artistic side of the brain or your ability to go into that realm?
Because for me, when I'm creating something, a work of art or music, it's like meditation for me.
And it allows me to escape the...
And I don't want to say horrific reality because we manifest our own reality.
And even though there's horrors in this world, I feel a tremendous amount of gratitude for what I'm doing now in these shows where I meet people like you.
And it's like we inspire one another.
So I'm constantly being inspired.
And to me, that's fantastic.
So I know that there's horrors all over and everything.
I get that.
Giving people back, giving them hope.
Well, when I spoke up, I thought many more people would speak up too because it was so obvious.
And I, you know, you like step out of line thinking that everybody is just going to be up in arms and saying, you know, this is inappropriate, we should stop.
And there's silence everywhere.
Everybody is like, I was looking at...
And I cannot believe what's going on.
So I don't understand.
Well, now in retrospect, I thought about this quite a bit, as all of us did.
All of us people who did speak up are constantly like, why did everybody comply?
Why did all these brilliant people that I previously knew as very smart and very independent Contrarians and so forth.
Famous contrarians.
Why did they all comply?
And why did they all fall for this absolute idiocy?
Maybe at the moment it was fear.
As I said, I believed it for a couple of weeks too.
So, you know, your first reaction, you don't think that the government is out to kill you, right?
It shouldn't be.
And so I thought, well, maybe I'm not understanding something, and I tried to understand it, and then I see it's total BS, and I speak up, and everybody else is complying and following.
And so that was the, for a long time, was a question in my mind.
What happened?
Now I, you know, I don't...
Well, maybe some of the art thinking, specifically because I was pursuing realist art, and drawing in particular, and people think, oh, it's creative, it's artistic.
It's actually not.
It's a very logical, hard work, discipline, and it's almost like physics, but in practical application.
So it has a lot of logical, mathematical reasoning, ability to rotate three-dimensional shapes in your head.
So it's not, oh, let's just be kindergarten and play with paints.
It's not at all like that.
It's very, very hard work to be able to study under that system.
And I loved it.
I loved it because that's what makes me excited.
And maybe that rigor in having to understand the physical reality very deeply so that you can represent it beautifully led me to not being swayed by all the BS propaganda that was coming across the social media and all kinds of digital...
And that's for a reason.
They use that.
So, I now think that what really happened is a bunch of people are susceptible to hypnosis.
You know, like, they don't do them anymore so much, but in some, like, club act, you know, late night club act, you'd have...
You have a hypnotist, right, on stage.
And the first thing that they do, and he's just a, you know, clown, right?
He's not a clinical.
But it works.
It works.
So they'll go on stage and they'll say, well, and they'll do some first thing with the audience where, like, they try to do just like a general suggestion.
They talk to the audience.
Just by low of numbers, about 17% of people are highly, highly hypnotizable and suggestible.
So you don't even need to hypnotize them.
You just tell them stuff, like repeated messaging in a particular tone of voice.
And that's it.
They self-hypnotize.
And this has been known for quite some time.
And television was the first...
A medium where this was practiced quite a bit because, again, people in the state of relaxation, you know, you're sitting down to watch a TV, a program, you're in a state of relaxation, and then they start telling you messages, right?
Or putting them in the stories, or putting them in the advertisements, or putting them in the, you know.
So that was the first medium.
And then with internet, obviously, it's even more.
So all these distractions.
Pictures, you know, fake news, pictures of cats, whatever.
All of this is a way to capture as many of the people as possible into this net that they will self-hypnotize.
And then on background, especially like when you do like the story that everybody pays attention to.
Oh my god, this new zoonotic virus escaped from China!
And everybody's like, what?
And so they...
And then they start giving very, very...
Like same messaging, continuous repetitive messaging on follow the science, trust the science, science, blah, blah, blah.
You need to be vaccinated.
Vaccines will save you.
So all of that then gets shoved into the audience where by just laws of statistics, half or over half will fall for it, especially in the background of fear.
So I think that's what happened with these people.
It's not because they're not smart.
It's just because they're suggestible and that they...
They were consuming this material without understanding what was going on and how they were...
Yeah, they were all lied to.
But the fact is, now people got so...
And it is brainwashing, but hypnosis is brainwashing.
So they're so brainwashed by this method, it's extremely hard for them to come back.
To come back, they would need some serious deprogramming and also be motivated and wanting to come back to truth.
And we see some of it.
Some people are getting out of that mentality over time and coming back to truth.
But this is what happened.
This is how they got captured with this propaganda stuff.
It's weird because I was actually living in China during the Wuhan virus outbreak.
And it actually broke out in September of 2019. But the rest of the world did not know about it.
And there's a very strong firewall.
I couldn't communicate with the outside world what I was witnessing inside of China.
And I can tell you, I was living up the street from a big hospital in China.
And it was empty.
It was not like the fake news in the United States I found out was Saying that there were people all over the hospital dying and everything.
No.
As a matter of fact, it was during that time of the Chinese New Year or that annual migration.
It's the biggest migration on Earth where everybody goes to the village and sees their family.
And I was in Guangzhou, China, and it was empty.
It was like a ghost town.
But it wasn't because of any lockdown.
It was because the people had all gone into the villages and everything.
And since this really wasn't a virus, it was a plandemic.
It was a psyop.
The people were fine in their villages.
And then when I escaped, the only reason I ended up here was because this was the only country that had borders open for flights out of China was Istanbul, Turkey.
The Republic of Georgia, you know where that is, because it was the former Soviet Union.
I flew into Tbilisi, and then I noticed I was going up into the mountains in the Caucasus.
And it was really weird, because in Tbilisi, which is the biggest city, they had the lockdowns, they had the comandante, you had to stay six feet apart, the masks.
So they bought into it, because you know how the West influences here.
I was trying to tell people.
I went on television here live and I said, hey, listen, this is not what you think it is.
Anyway, of course, they said that stuff.
But what I noticed was when you went up into the mountains and you were with the villagers, there was no COVID. There was no people wearing masks.
So I realized this so-called virus has a mind of its own, and it only stays in big cities, and it doesn't attack people when they're in a restaurant and they're sitting down.
It had a time schedule.
It would come out from 9 p.m.
Because you had to be in by 9 p.m., and then you couldn't come out until like 6 or 7 o'clock in the morning.
I said, wow, this doesn't make any sense.
But for some reason, like you said, people, even though...
And this is what was shocking to me.
Intelligent people, like you said, people with PhDs, people who were contrarians, they were buying into this nonsense.
And even when you try to explain to them, how is it that this virus has a schedule that it looks and it goes, oh, it's 8.59.
Okay.
Here I am, you know?
I mean, and they would look at you and mock you.
At least that's what they did to me.
They were like, oh, stay away from me.
You're a conspiracy theorist.
And I was like...
Okay.
But yeah, I hung out in the mountains and there was no COVID up there.
People didn't even know about it.
Yeah, I also, I live in smaller town, very small town.
They didn't have, like, nobody cared outside of, okay, there's a shopping mall and that's where all the, you know, masked Nazis are.
I even had an altercation with one of them.
I mean, so, you know, we walk into a store and it's empty and I'm with my daughter and, you know, just looking for things that we needed.
And this woman like runs around following us, one of the store employees, you know, screaming at us to put the masks on.
And I was like, lady, you know, what do you think is going to happen here?
So we just left, and I, you know, so I just came back and I said, look, you've exercised your power, and here's, I'm going to exercise my power.
I'm going to tell you that you're a really awful individual, you know?
So, and then I walked out.
Do you think, and just noticing, this is just a question, More men or women fell for this?
Do you think it was equal?
And I also noticed a lot of people felt empowered by this.
And like you said, that woman who was following you around the store, all of a sudden they felt like some righteousness that they could tell you to do this.
I was noticing that.
Did you notice that as well?
Why do you think that is?
It's a very female trait, but it's not like men are devoid of it.
There are many men who are panicky, who are Fearful.
It's not at all different.
And I mean, in my opinion, it's even probably worse if a man is fearful and pushes this kind of crap.
And I think that's what unites them.
It's the fear.
They don't feel like they have agency normally.
And this is an opportunity for them to...
To be in charge of something and to tell somebody what to do.
So, yeah, those are the traits that were unfortunately well-known, pre-played, pre-programmed into these scenarios.
And they knew exactly what they're going to get.
They're going to get a whole bunch of volunteer enforcers of this stupidity.
Again, by fear.
Because they are...
I'm going to tell a whole bunch of Karens and some men, who are also Karens, that, oh, you know, you need to save society.
You need to protect grandma by, you know, bullying all these people and children into wearing masks and standing six feet apart.
And this is not unique in history, obviously.
Anybody who studied history for a little bit understands that this happens all the time.
All the time.
And everybody's like, how did Nazis, how did everybody support Nazis in Nazi Germany?
Well, you know, now we know.
Were you surprised to see this in the United States?
Because you were living in the United States, right?
Yeah, in the United States, I was shocked.
I was shocked how easy it was to turn people into stormtroopers and As I said, volunteer enforcers of removal of human rights and bodily autonomy.
And what happened in the hospitals, it's also, it's a horrific, horrific thing.
And I'm still trying to even get attention from people who ostensibly, well, I just had a friend over for the weekend and we went biking and they're I would say, you know, classical liberals.
But they do understand now that this was wrong.
So they went through the process.
They didn't quite go all insane, but went through this and now realize, okay, yeah, you were right.
So they came to hang out.
So like, yeah, you're right.
I agree with you.
On the other hand, They still kind of think that they still don't want to go discuss the really bad stuff.
So it's all around, well, it was overreaction, mistake, blah, blah.
They don't want to go in and discuss.
So even though they come in at me and say, can you explain blah, blah, blah?
And I'm like, do you really want this conversation?
Let's talk maybe about bikes and hiking.
They're like, no, no, no, I really want to talk about it.
And they're like, well, and I start talking about the military structure and what they did in the hospitals.
They're like, oh, no, let's not talk about that.
No, we can't talk about that.
Sasha, what I've been noticing in talking to people like yourself who are aware is that we're not just dealing with humans.
We seem to be dealing with something on a whole different level.
This is a spiritual battle that we're in.
Evil entities that are trying to depopulate the planet and they're doing it using several different means, not just psyops, but bioweapons disguised as vaccines.
They're using famine.
They're using directed energy weapons.
They're using geoengineering and weather weapons.
So there is a multi-pronged attack, and we haven't even entered into the kinetic phase of this war, although the people in Gaza and Palestine and Syria are already, and the people, of course, in the Ukraine and Russia are experiencing the kinetic war. in the Ukraine and Russia are experiencing the kinetic war.
I suspect that the United States now, with Trump entering into the administration, will be the catalyst for a kinetic war that will involve the United States not only sacrificing blood and treasure, but...
but also The war will come to the United States.
I believe that open borders that were allowed through the coup of Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas, there's a lot of sleeper cells now that are just waiting to be activated in the United States.
So what's your take on it?
I think they, to some extent, activated them in Los Angeles, like what happened in Los Angeles.
Because I was in...
I went to Malibu in October.
It was amazing.
It was great.
And we just drove on Highway 1. And if you remember, these are very upscale neighborhoods.
So beautiful beaches.
So on one side, you have these beautiful beaches and some really, really expensive houses and some restaurants on the ocean.
And then on the other side, you know, the hills.
Where all these houses were that burned, also gigantic.
Some of them are like $50 million, like $20 million, stuff like that.
And all along the highway, so we drove through Malibu and went biking in the hills and came back.
And on the highway, on both sides of the highway, there's parking, but it's...
It's only for the day use.
So like parking to park and go to the beach is only for day use.
And in some areas it's clearly enforced.
So they would like ticket and tow if you're parking car over the time limit.
And then there's some stretches.
Within those beautiful neighborhoods, there were stretches where that parking was not enforced at all, obviously.
There were vehicles parked there for a long time, dust covered, and especially old school buses were parked there.
And clearly, people were living there.
And I wonder if that was the force that was used to go start the fires, for example.
Or go looting or go do whatever.
Because, you know, my previous theory was that Newsom was importing all these illegals for his own private army, which one act is what they did.
And it's known that there were a bunch of fires were started as arson by so-called homeless people.
But I've seen where they live, those homeless people.
So do you see the depopulation plan?
And how they are working with DARPA to work with the pharmaceutical companies to create the bioweapons for those who are easily manipulated, like you said, the hypnotized people.
And now they're working with the geoengineering and the cloud seeding and the dropping of what people know as chemtrails to get the nanoterms to people like you and I and others who didn't fall.
for the bioweapon.
I just interviewed Dr. Glenn and he said he'd not taken the bioweapon but when he had his blood tested they found all sorts of nanotech.
So they're getting...
No, it's a science.
I don't believe in this nanotech stories and chemtrails dropping nanotech.
No, it's not.
There is no nanotech.
The nanotech...
In vaccines, it's just chemistry.
They call it organic chemistry, basically building these large molecules.
The vaccines contain all sorts of things.
You name it, it's there.
And some of it may be nanoparticulate.
Things like asbestos is a nanomaterial, and its toxicity and...
The way it causes whatever the conditions are ascribed to it, especially in inhaled form, is because it can pass through cellular membranes in some cases.
It is a nanomaterial.
So nanomaterials are dangerous if you inhale them or inject them.
Maybe dangerous if you ingest them in certain combinations with lipids or I don't know.
But it's not something that is, oh, they're going to sprinkle these nanotechnologies and everybody is now vaccinated.
No.
And this is, by the way, it's a PSYOP, in my opinion.
And it's another hypnotization method.
If you're familiar with Cult of Scientology?
Yes.
Yeah, okay.
So it's very similar.
The idea of the cult of Scientology, which is like you're infected by these little thetans and you need to clear them from your system.
And a whole bunch of alternative doctors make money by telling people this so that they come to them and they do, you know, chelation or whatever.
And I mean, I don't interfere with that if you do have some symptoms and you do need to seek medical attention and you don't trust the establishment medical community, which I don't.
I don't go to them at all.
You have to do something and maybe some vitamins or something.
Maybe it's useful for you.
But it's not like everybody is sprinkled with nanoboads.
I mean, I find it nonsense, frankly.
Like, it's not...
Scientifically, it has no legs at all.
Have you seen the reports from La Quinta Columna?
Yes.
Where they show that...
Oh, really?
Yeah, they're showing you microscopy and saying it's nano.
It's 1,000 times larger than nano.
They're showing nothing nano.
They're just claiming it's graphene oxide because they can see it on the microscope.
No, it's not.
You can't resolve graphene oxide on the microscope and whatever is assembling there.
Yeah, okay, it's chemistry and then polymers drying.
They'll produce stuff like that.
So, yeah, I've tried.
I've watched a few of their videos.
There's nothing convincing that they show.
They just claim things.
Wow, this is interesting to me and so I'm gonna press you on it because in watching those videos it looks like computerized things that are actually and you see them moving and they have like lights on them.
They have these blue lights.
Those are not lights.
That's the dark field.
That's a way of lighting the slide.
So it's not the lights that are coming from whatever is on the slide.
The slide is lit from below.
And there are holes, and the holes will push the light through.
So it has nothing to do with whatever is on the slide.
The square shapes, yeah, they can assemble from the chemistry that's there and the way it's drying.
It could produce these kind of square shapes.
Now, they're not microcircuitry because they don't function at all.
This has gotten a lot of attention where people are saying that the 5G technology and the Starlink are actually working in conjunction with whatever nanotechnology that they've put in there.
And allegedly, I seem to recall Bill Gates even admitting that They put some nanotech into the vaccines about a couple of months ago.
He admitted that they were putting that in there.
But nanotech is like biotech, okay?
I tell you, I put biotech.
It tells you nothing, right?
Because you're like, what tech?
You know, you have to show...
The technology is a coherent system of inputs and outputs.
That you can actually demonstrate.
If I push this button on the computer, this word will come up.
Okay, that's technology.
If you're claiming nanotechnology, nobody has shown.
I'm like, can you please show me a nano-controlled person with this nanotechnology so I can interview them?
And can we please understand what's the mechanism?
What is the technology?
What input?
What output?
How is it connected through the Wi-Fi?
Where is the memory storage?
Where is the power source?
Where are the inputs and outputs?
So just because you have some floating junk in the vials, of which there's plenty, there's plenty of floating junk, a variety of biological bacteria, endotoxins, metals in nano form, the lipids, you know, the...
There are also ethanol, all the in-process chemicals, plasmids, DNA, RNA, proteins, which are not supposed to be there at all.
So the list goes on.
There's everything in them.
All of it, and some of it is in nanoparticular form, too, because of the just-by-nature things.
None of it is technology.
It's all a brew of poison.
There's no technology that assembles and then does something in your body.
No, it doesn't.
It just basically wrecks the cells, penetrates the cells, because the lipid bubbles, some of them are broken, some of them do function.
And they get into the cells, and then they dump the cargo in the cells, whatever they drag in with them.
And then the cells collapse and die.
And the process of collapse, we have spike protein.
It's just the debris of dead cells.
And we also have fibrin-fibrinogen.
I wrote about this.
So there is a fibrin-fibrinogen cycle in the human body.
Fibrinogen is probably one of the most prevalent substances other than water in human body.
It's a substance that creates clotting.
So it creates like a scaffold for clots.
If you accidentally cut yourself...
This is what's going to be locally created, a little net which will catch a bunch of red blood cells and create a clot.
And then when it's done, when you're healed, it will dissolve itself.
That's normal fibrin-fibrinogen cycle.
Now, when they attack you with this garbage that's now in your bloodstream because they injected it and it went all over your body with the lipid nanoparticles, all over the body this fibrin-fibrinogen cycle gets activated and the cell We've shown that spike protein actually cross-links and polymerizes with these fibrin structures into non-dissolvable fibrin,
which is one of the most toughest materials on Earth.
So now people have these white clots developing.
Those are real.
That's how it is.
It's not a nanotechnology.
It's a chemical biological reaction because it was induced by a whole bunch of chemicals being dumped into the bloodstream with different properties.
And so that happens, but it's not nanotechnology.
It's biology interacting with poisoning.
I'm glad that you're saying this because I've had several people on my show and we've been talking about the plan to have the internet of things.
Bill Gates and Elon Musk are planning on having people connected to the internet, connected to each other through 5G and through Starlink.
And I was just talking with a gentleman prior to you, and he was saying that they're getting to the point where they can just shut you off with the press of a button.
No.
No.
Wow, that's great news then.
No, it's not going to happen.
These people are...
Well, again, these people...
So, as I said, the reason these stories flowed around, they're very similar to the Scientology stories, because the same agencies that...
And CIA, historically, you know, have been very interested in creating cults and running cults and figuring out what makes people join the cult and how to keep them there as, you know, as controlled as possible.
To the point where the Jonestown, I mean, famous Jonestown cult, drank the Kool-Aid.
This is exactly what happened.
They are so brainwashed with these methods that then they will self-destruct.
And this is what they've done with the people who were lining up to inject vaccines.
Same thing.
Simultaneously introduced all these narratives of nanotechnology, 5G, Starlink, you will be connected, they will turn you off.
And you know what?
That portion of the population that's very easily hypnotizable, at least 20% of them, it's possible.
You can tell them, I implanted a nanotech in you, and now I'm turning you off.
Just take a random remote control from the television set and say, I'm turning you off, and you will be able to kill that person because they believe it.
I mean, if people are motivated and hypnotized properly with these methods of narratives, yeah, they'll die.
And why?
Because...
They convinced themselves.
And that's why it's so dangerous.
I took psychology and there was a thing called voodoo death.
And some people, they believe that if somebody's sticking pins in you and if you believe that, the people actually end up dying, having a heart attack or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and the African tribes, they have these shamans that will put a curse on you, and people go home and die, like perfectly healthy young people.
Why?
Because they believed it.
So the power of your own mind...
It's extremely powerful.
There are instances described in literature doing surgeries without anesthesia by just hypnotizing people.
By mistake, somebody will put a mask with just running oxygen, anesthesiologist put a mask running oxygen, and the person fell asleep immediately because they thought it was a gas.
You know, right?
That they put you to sleep with.
So the person fell asleep, they did the surgery just under oxygen.
Okay?
So the power of the human mind is incredible.
But you have to be concerned about your own power to imagine things that are not there.
And so that whole 5G nanotechnology, garbage, absolute garbage.
There's no internet of things.
And then they're showing like, oh, look, we implant.
Key fob from the office building.
I had an employee who did that.
He went to a veterinarian friend, took the key fob out of the key and implanted it here.
That's not an internet of things.
It's just an RFID. I have the same chips in my dogs, microchips.
They're not connected to anything.
You just, like, read it by the scanner.
And, you know, and then everybody shows this to everybody and says, this is, you know, 5G and the nanoboads sprinkled from chemtrails and you're going to be controlled.
There is no technology to enable that.
And also, like, Bill Gates and Elon Musk, they're not the smartest people out there.
And oftentimes, and I think they just repeat what the CIA agencies give them as a script.
Elon Musk, believes he's going to Mars.
Sincerely believes he's going to Mars.
Of course he's talking a whole bunch of nonsense how they're going to be connected.
By the way, the author of these nanobot things, at least the most recent one I was able to track down, is a person called Ray Kurzweil.
He's a futurist.
He still works at Google, of course.
They gave him millions of dollars for a lab to write this nonsense, to produce this script.
And he writes it.
So he wrote a book, and it was called Singularity is Near.
It was, I don't know, 10 years ago.
In 2024, he kind of ran out of his previous timeline.
He wrote another book, and he said Singularity is Nearer, and put it out to 35. And this continues, and people buy this nonsense all the time.
So he's the one who came up with the idea, we're going to have these nanobots crawling through your bloodstream and updating your organs and all kinds of stuff.
And then we're going to upload your brain to the internet.
And all I know, you know, Sergey Brin believes it.
Elon Musk believes it.
But, I mean, these guys, I don't know what...
Like, they're not the smartest people and they may be using a lot of drugs, too.
Well, I'm really glad you're saying this because I've been speaking to a lot of people on this show who have been saying that narrative, that that's what's happening and that's what's about to happen.
We're coming in on a commercial break soon.
When we come in on the other side, I'd like to talk to you about...
Or hear your opinion on what's going to happen now that Trump's in office and how he is going to take this depopulation plan to the next level.
Because as you know, he was the father of the vaccines.
He's proud of it.
He's the guy who was promoting Operation Warp Speed.
speed, and he's never come out to apologize for any of the horrors that have happened because of these bioweapons disguised as vaccines.
So I'm curious to know what you think is going to happen in 2025.
And can you give us a little bit of a teaser before you hear the music that will let us know that we're going into the commercial break?
Yeah, I'm not very optimistic about Trump doing anything about the vaccines.
I think, if anything, they're going to continue this agenda.
They will try to continue pumping the Keeping these factories everywhere, producing mRNA, and trying to pump it into everything, including food supply, like the animals.
And he brought in RFK Jr. Do you think he's going to have any impact on all of them, or is it just all bluster that they use to be able to elect Trump?
Well...
Yeah, so maybe that's a little bit of a longer discussion, but yeah, I know RFK. I was on his podcast a couple of times.
We talked on and off for quite some time.
He knows all of my material.
I thought he was sincere, but now he's completely neutralized.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, let's talk about that.
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Before the break, we were talking about her appearances on the RFK Jr. show and how she felt he was sincere, but now she's noticing that, well, how did you say it?
He's been gotten to or he's been...
Something happened, he's changed.
Well, yeah, so I don't think he's...
Views changed.
I think what changed is that Trump administration is creating a wall around him of largely pharma-lobby-attached people and very actively subverting the message about The mRNA shots, in general, the harms from vaccines, from all vaccines, that RFK Jr. is very aware of.
And so, if you remember, he ran, when he ran his independent, well, first a Democrat and then an independent campaign.
It was about health freedom.
It was largely based on health freedom movement and sentiment and people who understood the harms of traditional vaccines and the mRNA shots, people who were very vocal about CDC vaccination schedule, which has ballooned to something completely obscene, something like 80 shots to a child.
And so all these people who for all the time were considered conspiracies and anti-vaxxers and were labeled, all of a sudden found that his campaign was our voice.
And he ran, he got a fairly significant percentage for an independent run.
Significant percentage of support.
And then remember what happened right after Trump's so-called assassination attempt.
Okay, well, I think it was staged, but fine.
You know, it doesn't really matter what it was in any case.
So Trump nearly gets shot.
And then they start having conversations on the phone, apparently, about joining campaign right after that.
And then by August 23rd, he announced officially that he's terminating his campaign, RFK Jr., and joining Trump's campaign.
So he did the official announcement of the Trump's rally in Arizona.
So what appears today, and my friend and colleague who also writes on Substack, David Lerman, recently published a pretty deep dive into it, but I had my suspicions early on.
So when RFK Jr. joined Trump's campaign, immediately they published in a few mainstream newspapers.
I read it in Wall Street Journal.
They published this Maha policy, Make America Healthy Again policy.
Ostensibly, this was, well, you know, we're joining because RFK Jr. is running on this health movement stuff, so we are coming up with the Make America Healthy Again policy.
And when I read this policy, which was very shortly after RFK Jr. joined, sometime in August or maybe early September, Again, my hair on the back of my neck again stood out because I see it as plain as day is a propaganda.
It's a propaganda piece and it's a complete distraction and subversion of anything to do with vaccines.
Even at that time, on Twitter, Nicole Shanahan put a short kind of promotional video, a political advertisement about Maha.
And then that video was also like, oh, you know, let's eat healthy, let's, you know, green forest, blah, blah, blah, kids running around.
Then let's say it was maybe two seconds shown of a syringe of the entire...
Bad?
It was maybe like two seconds showing syringe and saying a little bit less of that.
And that video was taken down.
Like very very shortly afterwards.
And then I read the Maha policy.
It's all distraction into oh we need to clean up the food.
We live in toxic food.
We live in toxic sludge.
Everything is toxic around us.
We just need to focus on everything else.
So we call the strategy ABV, anything but vaccines.
So they will tell you anything causes cancer.
They will put Proposition 65 notices on just about anything, including Starbucks cups, and say it's known to cause cancer.
They already banned smoking, so they can't pin it on smoking anymore.
So they go after food.
And so this whole Maha policy was we need clean food, we need new nutritional guidelines, we need to ban all kinds of toxic things in agriculture, meaning pesticides, meaning you're going to reduce yields, meaning you're going to increase food prices, and a bunch of people are going to starve.
And we also need to, very recently, they finally banned RAD3, which...
It turns out, actually, I did a crowdsource.
I wrote an article and I asked my contributors, a lot of them are scientists also, to look up the food toxicology papers.
There is no proof it causes cancer.
None.
Maybe if you eat 400 pounds of it, maybe.
But it does not cause cancer.
There's no proof of it.
It's all political BS. And it's not even used anymore.
That's why FDA was so happy to ban it.
All of this is BS and distraction into toxic everything, oh, Wi-Fi and 5G and nanobots and chemtrails, and let's, you know, ban everything in agriculture so we can't grow anything anymore.
But nothing about vaccines in that Maha policy at all.
And turns out, who came up with that policy?
Oh, well, Cali means...
A new arrival in the health freedom movement are these Means twins.
Have you seen them on Tucker Carlson show everywhere?
No.
So another surprise after this Maha policy was like, who are these people?
We have them in Senator Johnson's hearing.
So it's brother and sister Kelly and Casey Means.
And we see both of them Talking in Senator Johnson's hearings, we see that they immediately go on Tucker Carlson show, Casey Means, and they talk for two hours about nonsense like, oh, we need to eat healthy.
We've discovered the metabolic condition that can be cured by healthy eating and exercise.
Oh my god, this is just like...
Earth-shattering news, right?
We never knew about such stuff, right?
And Tucker Carlson is all like, oh, you're such a wonderful, you know, you're a doctor from Stanford, 10 years of training in Stanford.
Oh, but you quit on your 30th birthday.
Turns out all of it is a lie.
So my friend Debbie Lerman, actually a journalist, did an actual journalism, digging deep into their backgrounds, and she found that these two Clowns, like Callie and Casey Means.
First of all, she's not a doctor from Stanford.
She quit some surgical residency in Oregon State.
But somehow Tucker Carlson repeats numerous times that she's a doctor from Stanford.
And she's so amazing.
RFK Jr. somehow, in his acceptance speech in Arizona rally when he went to join Trump's campaign, promotes Callie Means as if he is such a...
And everybody's like, who?
You know, but he says, oh, he's been working for me.
He's such an expert in soil regeneration.
Nobody knows.
These two, Cal and Casey Means, come from a family of deep state as deep state gets, including their father is a Knight of Malta, a thousand-year-old organization.
Their plans from the deep state Immediately parachuted.
They also connected to pharma lobby, Mercury, LLC. You know, they've been lobbying for pharma for their professional lives.
They've been parachuted immediately into Trump's campaign.
Also, Kelly Means claimed that he was the one who convinced RFK Jr. to join Trump's campaign.
And they are managing this campaign such that RFK Jr. cannot say a peep about vaccines or pharma.
And all of it is going to be, we're going to overregulate the food supply and we're going to make huge changes there so that small farms can survive, so that everything has to be shut down.
That we will be able to announce pandemics of new viruses and chicken farms and kill all the chickens.
So that again, we don't have eggs in the stores.
Prices go up.
And yes, they're going to engineer famine next time because pandemics don't work so much for them anymore.
Too many people called BS. Too many people woke up from this.
Now they're going to be doing this.
They're going to go after food supply and again, eliminate small businesses, put everything into industrial Agriculture that they can easily control.
And that's their next step plans.
Well, that is evil pure.
And are people talking about this other than you and the journalist who did this report?
This is the first that I'm hearing about this.
You're blowing my mind here, Sasha, with all this new information that you're sharing.
Well, so there was a podcast, Jack Cruz and Dr. Mary Talley Bowden.
And Kelly Means.
So somehow he agreed to go on that podcast and he looks such a phony.
He lied many times, obviously lied.
My friend Demi compares them a little bit to AI bots, both of them, Kelly and Casey Means, because these are the people who have been in the system and probably working for, like their father probably.
I don't know what they do with them, but they don't have any agency.
They're trained to say words.
They will say words without understanding how phony they sound, and then they will glitch sometimes, like on the air.
They will lie, just like AI lies.
And it's funny to observe.
But anyway, so there's this famous...
I mean, maybe a couple of weeks ago or...
Not recently.
There was a podcast of Jack Kruse and Mary Talen Bowden and Kelly Means.
And you should listen to it.
They kind of tore him to shreds.
And since then, everybody just knows that they're phonies.
But they continue.
So they're at inauguration.
They're at all the events.
They're, you know...
These people, they don't care.
They just continue with their agenda.
Pretending like these two are freedom leaders and everything is great and dictating to...
By the way, Callie means also like he's 38 years old, but he pushes RFK Jr. around who is 70 years old as if he's like his errand boy.
I find it offensive, you know?
So that's what's going on and that's part of Trump's...
Trump's administration strategy because he's connected to all these people.
He's the one who brought them all in.
Wow.
He's called Trojan Trump.
Some people say that Trump is the Antichrist.
I've had Dustin Nemos on the show.
I don't know if you saw at the swearing-in ceremony, Trump refused to put his hand on the Bible when he was being sworn in.
What's interesting is The people who swear by Trump, I call them maggotards and cutards because they believe that there are white hats somewhere that are going to save the day, and they even have an excuse for that.
The latest excuse I heard for why Trump did not put his hand on the Bible is because he's waiting until March, because in March it will be the...
public rather than the corporation swearing in.
That what we saw on January yesterday, what was that?
January 20th, that he was the swearing in ceremony for the corporation of the United States of America.
But in March, that will be for the republic.
So he's not swearing.
So I mean, when you hear these people speak, I'm like...
And so they're saying, no, no, no, we have to wait.
We have to wait and see what happens in March.
And that's what I've noticed with this whole Q thing.
It's always like, wait.
Because first it was Vice President Pence was not going to allow Biden to be in.
So that was it.
And then I remember they were saying that they were going to release the Kraken and that they had all this footage of these people and everything is going to be okay.
And then it turns out they're always kicking the ball.
Further.
It's saying, no, no, no, no, it's not going to happen now.
No, it's going to happen next time.
Boy, it's PSYOP. Like you said, they just keep making these people believe.
And, well, a lot of it is run by the intel agencies and their contractors, their private contractors.
So they manufacture fake personas online and they manufacture storylines.
So it's a combination of fake personas and gullible people who They pick up these lines, but they throw the narrative in and they promote it with a bunch of their own assets, their own bots, and then they also kind of make a group of whoever believes this nonsense and they run around and repeat it.
I came across these services, which are legal, by the way, in the US. I was put on a watch list by a New York City health department that was when I was first publishing videos on BitChute and we had the How Bad Is Your Batch website.
So because of that, the New York City health department hired this cyber security firm.
Which is a just euphemism and like conveniently located, you know, like a block away from Pentagon.
So it's a euphemism for, you know, our private contractors doing stuff for the military operation.
And it was a huge report, like a 900-page report, which was FOIA'd by somebody in New York City, which contained a whole bunch of media.
Like alternative media people who were saying something against.
And I was like, there was like a couple pages dedicated to me.
I was like, whoa, this is great.
And then I looked up the firm.
It's called Groupsense.io.
I looked up the firm.
It's a small firm and it's probably like thousands of these little shops.
They were claiming that they're providing The kind of assessing local vaccine hesitancy in New York City, but it was very little local about it other than they profiled, they racially profiled the Hasidic Jewish community, some Black communities, some Hispanic communities.
But everything else was sort of...
I'm not in New York City, so everything else was either different states or even international.
And then they also, on the website of this group Sense.io company, they provide services.
They provide services of manufacturing fake personas online and using them for election campaigns and for this kind of stuff, for pushing the narratives and for suppressing people who are speaking against the narratives.
And it's totally legal service.
And the U.S. government buys services from them.
Obviously, New York City Health Department hired them for this.
So, this is how it's done.
So, like, whenever you see, oh, you know, like, and I do that too.
Like, I'll publish an article and there's some people, like, come in with aggression and like, no, you don't understand.
Trump is, you know, he's our series.
Like, he's going to destroy all the globalists and, yeah, like this thing about March or, oh, Fauci lied to him.
He's not a scientist.
I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, he's a big orange baby.
Yeah, it's interesting.
So you've experienced the detractors and the people that are trying to malign your reputation because you're speaking this truth.
How have you handled it?
I noticed that you're handling it with a sense of humor.
Oh yeah, I always handle it with a sense of humor.
I make them cry.
With my sense of humor.
I will go with, well, some of them, if they're not interesting, I'll ban them.
Most of the time they are interesting, so I'll go into this big discussion with them, at the end of which their ego is so suffering, so suffering, they give up.
They usually just give up and go away.
Sometimes I have to block them, but I do make fun of them, and it's for the entertainment of others, and I would say there's not even a second.
Where I took you seriously.
This is nonsense.
You're just some kind of an asset somewhere in Tajikistan, I don't know, working for a dollar a day running these bots for the CIA and DOD. Well, sucks to be you.
Well, that's cool.
I noticed that you and I have the same method of dealing with these Trolls who try to malign what we're doing.
And it's interesting because I have people saying, who is this guy?
Where did he come from?
Who's backing him?
Because apparently it is with people like you and others.
And they're like, how is he doing that?
They suspect they are claiming that I am a double CIA, quadruple Mossad agent.
That's the story.
Yes, yes, yes.
So I'm like, okay, I don't even know what that is.
So do you get like double and quadruple pay then?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm like, oh, that's really interesting.
But it's amazing how, and then they turn out to either be bots or just complete idiots, you know.
But like you, I have fun with these people because I interact with them until they bore me.
And then, like you said, I block them as well.
Then, of course, this is what's interesting.
They end up going on other channels and mentioning that I am.
Pro-free speech, but that I'm a hypocrite because I blocked them and yada, yada, yada.
What ends up happening is the people that read their maligning of me on other channels end up coming to my channel, finding out that not this monster that they claim that I am, they end up subscribing to my channel.
So I'm like, wow, this is fantastic.
Yeah, keep it up.
Yeah, promotion.
They do the same.
I have so many groups.
Who are also ostensibly...
I tell people, be careful.
I don't tell you what to read or what to follow.
It's your own choice.
But I've noticed that a lot of ostensibly health freedom leaders run these kinds of operations.
So there's some very famous ones and they come and try to attack me and then they write...
Ridiculous.
One of the people, it's a smaller account, but he's insane.
He wrote an article saying that I was responsible for 9-11.
Serious.
Yes, I've heard that a lot.
I was like...
I made fun of it.
I'm like, this is wonderful.
They'll claim all sorts of garbage.
They run swarms of people on Twitter and elsewhere.
They even label themselves with the same logos.
I'm like, okay, guys, this is just a campaign.
You can see it's a campaign.
It's run for...
For reasons.
I find a lot of them are operated from Australia.
And again, we looked into...
My friend Debbie Lerman and I are now looking into military operation internationally, how it was coordinated.
And the 5i countries like US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK, they are...
They have almost identical military structure that implemented this COVID BS and also the vaccines and then the imprisonment of people, except in Australia it's much, much harsher because I think they still have all these carryover penal colony structures and laws and a lot of these bots, social media profiles...
Monitoring and interference and putting in all these narratives comes from Australia, actually.
So it seems like there's a pretty big operational center down there that does the work for the US. But it's been known for a while that various intel agencies and military agencies, they do jobs for each other in different countries.
So the US will do it for Australians from US and Australia will do it for US from Australia.
Sasha, one of the things that I find disheartening and so sad is that...
These people that are known as useless eaters by people like Yuval Noah Harari, they don't realize that they're not only selling their souls, but they're the first ones that are going to be gotten rid of once these overlords end up depopulating people.
They're quite literally just useful idiots.
They think that this minimum wage job that they're doing by discrediting people like you and I, who really my only intention is trying to Expose this evil that is trying to depopulate us.
So yeah, I guess for selfish reasons, I live.
So the more people, once we get to that 15%, which is the critical mass that we need to overtake these evil entities that are trying to destroy us, but you've got just so many idiots who don't get it.
So it's tough.
Because we're fighting against stupidity.
There's an epidemic of stupidity.
Yeah.
It's true.
But I'm not going to stop.
It's very tough.
But I think we can get people to come to their senses by snapping them out of these I would say, like, hypnotized state on certain items.
And the way you snap them out, like, I mean, they're differences.
So you can obviously give a contrarian message or how, like, you know, engage in the debate.
Or, you know, I give people advice on how you consume information if you are...
A lot of it, unfortunately, again, like social media, just like with television early on, they use it because you're doing something enjoyable, you relax, and you think it's entertainment, but...
In social media, especially, it's all mixed in.
So instead of, you know, at least in television, there was like a news program and then a movie.
And in social media, everything is mixed in.
They throw into your feed these cat photos and dog photos.
And I like dogs and cats, but I started muting those accounts because, again, it's interfering with your rational thought.
It's interfering with, like, they're trying to hypnotize you with dogs and cats.
So that you're in a state of relaxation and then they start putting propaganda messages.
I need to separate.
Entertainment is on one side, thinking and reading is on the other side.
And I need to be very mindful of how I'm consuming this so that that will help my brain to be in a proper state for what I'm doing.
When I hear you speak that way, I realize you are an artist because that is how art is created.
When we are creating something from a blank canvas, I always say God is an artist because you have to put your focus and you cannot be distracted.
And again, it's a form of meditation.
So it's been refreshing to speak with you, not only as a person of science and Thank you.
they meld.
I want to get your perspective on the demoralization campaign and this humiliation campaign that were being put through in the PSYOP.
Yesterday, during the swearing-in ceremony, not only did Trump not swear on the Bible, but also immediately after, he shook hands with the Supreme Court leader who was also on the flights with Jeffrey Epstein's Lolita Island. he shook hands with the Supreme Court leader who was And I And then next thing you know, he ends up shaking hands with Peto Pete, Joe Biden, who stole the election.
And it seems like the only people who end up getting in trouble are those people who are the truth-tellers or the ones who are exposing...
The crimes.
For example, the January 6th people who showed up there, rightfully so, they had their free speech rights, they are spending time in solitary confinement.
Meanwhile, it seems like pedophile Pete and Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, all these people are going to get away scot-free.
Trump was constantly saying, lock her up, lock her up, lock her up.
But none of that is happening.
And meanwhile, the people who believe in Q think that all these people are actors, that they're wearing masks, that they held military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay, and that they died, and what we're watching right now with the show.
I mean, what's your take on all this?
Is this, again, some sort of mass psychosis where people are just desperate for anything?
Yeah, it's a mass brainwashing, hypnosis, psychosis, informational campaign in general.
Yeah, because, and it's known to work, and they haven't invented it, that's been used for centuries.
The same approach is to pretend that, to give the impression that there is some sort of a greater plan behind the scenes.
There isn't.
Trump is a, he's an unprincipled liar.
He will, and yeah, so I think he's actually, if not Satanist himself, he works for them.
And so...
That's why he didn't put the hand on the Bible.
I don't think he has his own sincere beliefs.
I think he just believes whatever he's paid to believe at the moment.
But maybe he does.
I don't know.
I don't see it in his head.
But the action speaks for what it is.
The action's right around that.
It's a crucial moment.
It's not like some sort of, oh, in passing, I forgot to...
To touch the Bible.
No, it's a crucial moment with millions and millions of people watching.
And it's very, very significant.
He showed who he's working for.
He showed his true colors many, many times.
He doesn't have insanity defense.
You can say Biden is insane.
He doesn't know what's going on.
Strings are being pulled.
But the guy is insane.
And he's demented.
Well, Trump is not demented.
So his strings are being pulled and he's cooperating.
So that should give people a lot of thoughts about what are you believing?
Why are you still believing him?
I don't believe him for a second.
I don't believe him.
I think he's...
He's there, so the Democrats and Republicans are working for the same paymasters, and they're just passing the ball to each other on the way to the gold, to the new world order.
So they did four years of Biden, now they're going to do four years of Trump.
He's going to sell all these globalist policies, and especially the monitoring and control of everyone.
Digital IDs.
Those are the final stages.
So digital ID, then they have to deal with the dollar collapse somehow.
So they probably are going to eliminate dollar as a currency and replace it with some sort of digital token tied to digital ID, tied to your social score, like in China, right?
And that's how they're planning to Continue eliminating people.
They will go after the food supply.
They will do famine rationing.
They will use forest fires to get rid of large swathes of populated land and make it unpopulated.
There are all these things that they still have to do, the smart cities.
So that's all moving on, and he's going to deliver on it.
It's just going to be under the slogans of Conservatism.
I don't see anything conservative there.
I don't see any even slight attempt to reduce the gigantic unconstitutional and evil overreach of federal government.
All they're doing is increasing it.
So what are we supposed to think then?
Are you familiar with Agenda 2030?
Yeah.
They're marching...
Yeah, Trump has been brought in to finalize that.
They had, in my opinion, Biden was a humiliation ritual.
They opened the borders with Mayorkas to allow the sleeper cells to come in.
And now they're bringing Trump in.
They made it so bad that everybody was going to be begging Trump to get in.
And now Trump is in there and he's going to go against everything that he promised.
In the beginning, I expect he may...
A couple of bones.
I think they may try to deport some people, and of course the fake news media will be all over it, and they'll show people being deported, but they're not going to get rid of the sleeper cells.
The terrorists are the ones who were brought in on purpose to create these false flags.
Unfortunately, I don't know.
People that I've spoken to, they say that the U.S. is done, that it's no longer a constitutional republic.
I see hope, however, living here next to the border with Russia and having lived in China.
I do believe that China will be a freer place, and I also believe that Russia seems to be doing quite well.
Unfortunately, what I'm witnessing here, you know where the Republic of Georgia is, I see people from Ukraine here all the time, and they're telling me that what they're witnessing is the slaughter of Christians, of white Christian males,
which is by design, because if you know anything about the Talmud and the New Jerusalem plan, the overlords, the ones who print out the money, the central bankers, I always say it's the Jews, they are wanting the Christians in Russia to fight the Christians in the Ukraine.
And they're showing up with briefcases full of cash to buy land in the Ukraine for pays on the dollar.
And they just recently had BlackRock show up and tell the Ukrainians you need to dig up corpses of these fallen soldiers and cremate them because we're getting ready to build smart cities here.
So it was another land grab, just like what they did in Lahaina with the directed energy weapons, what they just did in Los Angeles to create these over in the Ukraine.
They're getting the two for one.
They're getting rid of their old military supplies that they don't even want to use yet because they've got new stuff.
And they're getting the Russians and the Ukrainians to kill each other.
And yeah, I see flights because I'm here and I see flights coming in from Tel Aviv and it's filled with Jews with money who come to launder it in the casinos.
And of course, they like the Ukrainian women because they like the blonde haired, blue eyed Ukrainian women.
So they use them as prostitutes.
And then the rest they use for the what used to be their own old Kazarian land.
And people don't understand.
Yeah, I also don't really follow that part, but I mean, I do agree that there's definitely land grab and asset grab, and Ukraine is a very valuable asset because it has a lot of natural resources, the best agricultural land in the world.
The, you know, gas and mineral resources and power and manufacturing facilities.
And also an educated workforce, although the population has reduced dramatically, even since I left, well, at the peak of the Soviet Union, right before the Soviet Union collapsed, I think there was over 50 million people in Ukraine.
Now it is barely 35 million.
It's a huge collapse.
By a variety of means.
Most of it people left.
But a lot of people were killed too.
And it's...
Yeah, so there it goes.
So the BlackRock, people like BlackRock and central banks and oligarchs, they're going to buy assets because that's what they all need right now.
As I said, the dollar is about to collapse.
The music is about to stop.
Most of the elite's wealth is...
It's not in real assets.
It's in financial instruments and sometimes in cash even.
And so the real assets still belong, well, not in Ukraine, but in the West, they still belong to sort of upper middle class and even middle class houses.
And so now there's going to be a whole bunch of moves to start these local wars and...
Do the pretend natural disasters just to grab whatever they can grab.
In my opinion, that's what's going on.
And yeah, they're going to do other regional wars.
They do want to eliminate what I would say white Christian population because we're not enslavable.
And I also know it.
Christianity is the only...
Major religion that says very explicitly and very, very, let's say, forcefully that you have to do the right thing no matter what outcomes.
All the rest of them are kind of relativistic.
And, you know, like Buddhism is like, oh, everything is imaginary.
You just need to meditate.
And some are explicit about...
You know, committing violence against other religions and some are explicit about, well, you can lie about anything just because of your own interest, you know.
So the only Christianity teaches people to do the right thing no matter what outcome.
And that makes people...
I don't know if it's because of the religion or because we just tend to be that way.
And that's what they found the biggest obstacle to global enslavement is people like us.
Because we're not enslaveable.
It's not possible to do it.
And so the only thing they do is, the plan is to get rid of us.
And so, yeah, the wars, throw white people into the wars, go after white people, demoralization, all this DEI bullshit, the whites are racist and teaching kids to hate their culture and religion.
So all of this is designed to demoralize and get rid of people who they know that they can't really enslave.
It makes me sad because when I hear the rhetoric coming out of the United States about the Russians and the Ukrainians, they are, again, it's a lot of people who are not.
it's just propaganda.
Because here I'm living with Russians and Ukrainians.
And I see Russians in love and dating or married to Ukrainians.
And so they're family.
And they don't want to fight.
The Russians and Ukrainians speak the same language.
And they don't want to be fighting.
So it's this manufactured war that's happening.
And again, it's just for the military-industrial complex.
And it's also meant to bleed the United States of whatever wealth it has left.
Because like you said, they know, the whole world outside of the United States knows, that the dollar is dying.
The Russians here, they call the dollar a candy wrapper.
They say, oh, that's just good for candy wrapper.
And then I see what's happening in the Ukraine because the Ukrainians tell me, they say, Victor, they're trafficking our children because after the fathers and the mothers are set to fight, the kids are left alone.
They traffic the children to Tel Aviv, and then they end up using them for their body parts and everything.
It's just horrific what's actually happening here.
It's not being reported.
In the fake news media in the United States.
There's human trafficking.
What do you call that when they take out the organs and organ harvesting?
Organ trafficking, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, none of this is being reported and these people are saying, you know, please, can you do something about this?
And I try to report it as much as I can, but it falls on deaf ears because my channel, like yours, is shadow banned and we're censored and everything.
It's important because people do take these podcasts and they share them with people.
And it's very important for people to download these and share them with your family and your friends and your neighbors so they get a different perspective.
And I realized, you know what?
These Russians and these Ukrainians and the Chinese, they're not our enemies.
Even when I was living in China, the Chinese were very kind to me.
And they don't...
People dislike the American people, but they know that the U.S. government is satanic.
There's no other way to put it.
It's just evil pure.
So do you still keep in contact with the people in the Ukraine?
What's their take on what's going on?
No, not much.
I don't have anybody left there.
I come from half Ukrainian, half Russian and Tatar family.
I have a bunch of Russian friends here.
Some Ukrainian, some Russian, some from Moldova, some from other different parts.
This war is completely engineered.
Everybody understands that.
The problem is that people are suffering.
People lost lives and lost everything they had.
And, you know, it's by design, obviously.
But the only thing we can do is speak up.
I don't think there's...
As little people, we can't do much more than that.
I've spoken to people here in the Republic of Georgia who lived through the fall of the Soviet Union, and they told me that their fathers...
Used to be high-ranking officials in the Soviet Union and that when it fell, they were doing construction in the house and they hit the wall and behind the wall were stacks and stacks of dollars that were Soviet-era dollars.
And they said that just like what's about to happen with the US dollar when it crashes, it becomes worthless.
So what they ended up doing was actually using all that money to heat.
The home, because they then run out of all resources.
They were telling me that when the Soviet Union fell, that people had to line up for bread, and that they were rationing.
They would get up at 3 o'clock in the morning, stand on line for hours, and they would each get one or two loaves of bread, depending on how many people were in the family, and then they would have to come back after two days.
So can you...
Share with the people in the United States who are pretty soon going to be coming into this reality of famine and of a dying dollar and of kinetic war in the United States.
Can you explain to them what that was like?
I'm assuming you were pretty young when that happened, but you still remember.
Yeah, so, I mean, I don't want to, you know, scare people too much, but...
I always advise, have diversified assets.
You can't predict what is going, how the chain of events is going to unfold.
What is very, very likely to happen, in my opinion, there's going to be a reset of the dollar because it's unsustainable.
And the same thing happened in the U.S. They reset the ruble, the ruble disappeared, and that's when the Soviet Union collapsed.
The regions, like the republics, like Ukraine and Georgia and other places, so everything outside of Russia proper, they pulled the ruble.
So we didn't have, in Ukraine, we didn't have any currency for two years.
So there was no currency.
And the same was, I think, the same was in Georgia.
I visited Georgia at that time.
And, yeah, so you don't have money for two years.
Figure out how you're going to survive.
Yeah, there were rationing, depending on where you lived and which region.
You know, in Ukraine it's not so difficult with food.
Also, Georgia is also pretty good as far as food growing.
But other places, like if you were in Siberia somewhere, you were screwed.
Can you describe to people in the United States what it's like to live without currency, without money for two years?
Because I don't think these people understand that.
People don't understand that.
I mean, it's not going to be like that because there is now technology.
So I think what they're going to do at the time in Ukraine, they issued pieces of paper.
I even have photos of them.
I posted them at some point in my publication.
They were called coupons.
And they were just like a piece of paper with a bunch of stamps on it.
And, you know, you would get that at work.
And you could exchange it for some products in the store, if they had products.
Yeah, stand in line.
So it's just IOU notes that were being issued.
Now, I think it's not going to be like this now because we have technology.
So I think what the plan is, they will issue some sort of digital token.
So the government will say, oh, no worries.
At the time, we also did not have proper banking.
The banking didn't exist in the Soviet Union.
There was only once Bear Bank, which is now the Central Bank of Russia.
But at the time, it was literally like a post office savings type of scheme.
And that was the only place where you could store cash, for example, if you had some cash.
A few people had it.
But people had that in Sberbank.
That went away overnight.
Their savings were wiped out.
So the government came back and said, we just don't have any money.
And then they started issuing IOUs.
I think in the West, what the plan is, they will shut down the dollar.
And then they will issue tokens, again, to prevent social unrest, to prevent, you know, blah, blah, blah.
They'll say, oh, no worries.
We've replaced all your money with this new Trump coin.
And it's worth, you know, look, there's a market for it.
It's worth a gazillion dollars, so don't worry.
You're now a millionaire.
So, I mean, that's kind of their plan.
And then they will do things like UBI, you know, Universal Basic Income, again, to keep people compliant, going to work, not like asking too many questions, you know, but owning nothing.
Because now, instead of money, there was money.
You have a digital token which is programmable and the government can control where you can spend it, when you can spend it, on what products you can spend it and what radius around your house.
Can you buy gas with it or do you need to buy green energy with it?
Can you spend it on soda?
Or it's too much sugar.
Kaylee Means says you can't drink sugar.
Now you need to buy, like, these Bill Gates's, you know, very nutritious bugs to eat, right?
So, like...
Wow, what a dystopic vision.
And are you planning on staying?
Yeah, it is, but they kind of, like, they tell you that, right?
Yeah, they do.
Are you planning on staying in the U.S., or do you have an escape plan?
No, my staff is here.
My kids are here.
My family is here.
No, we're staying here.
I don't think there's any sense going anywhere at this point.
You don't think anywhere in the world is safe right now?
Do you see a place in the world that might be safe?
No?
No.
Wow.
So we're heading into this new world order that they've been planning with the one world government.
And now we will be slaves, but we will...
Because I think everybody was living this illusion that we were free.
And they were giving us freedom.
But I think now the veil is being lifted and we're realizing, you know what?
We're not free.
We are slaves.
And we have overlords.
So that's the point.
People need to refuse to be slaves.
They want to tell you that they're a slave and they need your agreement.
Nobody can enslave you if you don't agree.
If you disagree and you act like it, nobody can enslave you.
So that's my message to everyone.
You have to call their bullshit all the time in their face.
And they can't do anything about it.
They need, like, for example, they let us now, you know, they pretend there is no censorship, that's BS, but they let us publish without totally taking it down.
Why?
Because they need to create counter-narrative.
They don't, they can't create counter-narrative without knowing what to counter.
So I have to tell them.
You know?
So, and by, because they're stuck with this, We can still speak.
We can still get the message out.
We can still have people listening and people acting.
And we don't need so many resistors to bring this whole thing crashing down.
Wow, Sasha, I really appreciate all the work that you're doing.
I thank you so much for sharing your time and your insight.
I have been blessed to have heroes like you on this show.
I consider you a hero and an inspiration.
Especially to those men out there watching.
Please, guys, grow some balls.
Realize it's like the women are the ones who are showing testosterone here.
What's going on?
I have had many women on this show like you who are strong and are not afraid to speak out.
Right now we're in an information war and it's on steroids.
So please, people, don't be afraid to speak your mind.
Sasha, is there a place where people can find your work or a website or something where people can support the work that you do?
Yeah, so I publish.
My main resource is Substack, and I publish articles there with all the information and also my art, and you can subscribe.
All my new stuff is in free access.
You can read it.
Archive is mostly for paid subscribers, although I've unarchived a whole bunch of material.
But yeah, I appreciate paid subscribers because it helps me do this as a full-time channel.
It takes over 12 hours a day.
And I really do like making art, but I have...
Almost no time for it now.
And whatever is left of it is available for sale too.
So if people want to check it out, it's also linked to Substack.
Can you please send me the links so that I can post them in the description section?
And also, if you can, send me a few JPEGs of your art so that I can use them for some of the cover photos.
Because what I do is I upload the entire...
Podcast and show that we just did in its entirety and then over the next couple of weeks and months for new subscribers to the channel I upload snippets of our conversation.
Yeah, the art you'll see it's on Substack so you can just get the images from there.
Yeah, I'll send you the links.
All right, perfect.
And that's it.
I think we've come to the end of the show.
You've been listening to The Maverick Artist Victor Hugo on the Modern Art Gonzo Journalism Show.
If you want to watch the visual of this, for those who have been listening in their cars or putzing around the house, you can go to victorhugocollection.com, scroll to the bottom of the page.
And you'll find the links to my channel on Rumble, which is Victor Hugo Art, and on Bitshoot, Maverick Artist Victor Hugo.
And our special guest today has been Sasha Latipova.
Thank you so much again for everything that you're doing, and I hope to have you back on the show again someday in the future.
God bless you.
Thank you so much.
Cheers.
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