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Jan. 17, 2025 - Jim Fetzer
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The Raw Deal (17 January 2025) with co-host Brian Davidson and featured guest Joachim Hagopian
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I never needed anybody's help in any way.
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Welcome to The Raw Deal right here on Revolution Radio Studio B, the 17th day of January, 2025. Brian Davidson co-host with me, joined today by Joaquin Agopian, and we expect Dr. Catherine Horton to be with us, too.
We're going to begin with some latest news developments about what's going on.
Russia and Iran have signed a partnership treaty to deepen their ties in the face of Western sanctions.
This is apparently independent of a defense treaty, which I strongly suspect they have already signed.
In any case, this is, in my judgment, a most welcome development.
It ought to discourage the West from seeking to abuse Iran as it has so massively in the past.
Meanwhile, and I find this profoundly disturbing, The UK has announced a 100-year blood pact with Kiev and plans to build military bases inside the Ukraine.
This is an unexpected and, in my opinion, most unwelcome development.
What's going on in the UK? A 100-year deal, military bases in the Ukraine.
Will the government have to explain this beyond Vladimir Putin is a bad, mean guy like in a comic book?
RT reporting.
London has revealed details of a long-term partnership agreement with Kiev, which includes broad plans for military infrastructure development and defense cooperation over the next century.
The document suggests a potential establishment of military bases in Ukraine.
With an emphasis on aligning these initiatives with NATO standards for maximum effectiveness.
The 15-page declaration signed on January 17, 16, 2025, yesterday, lays out a framework for cooperation between the United Kingdom and Ukraine across various sectors, primary focus on military collaboration.
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy formalized a deal during a ceremony in Kiev on Thursday.
Joachim, I'm just shocked by this development.
Are you there, my friend?
Friend, I'd like your comments right off the bat, Joaquin.
Absent that, if we've temporarily lost Joaquin, Brian, What are your thoughts?
I mean, frankly, this is, in my opinion, absurd.
Russia has essentially defeated Ukraine.
So what in the world is going on here?
Your thoughts?
Well, I would guess that BlackRock, Vanguard, the powers behind the major corporate interests are protecting their investment in this particular property in the best way they possibly can, given that everything's falling apart at this point in time.
Tremendous amounts of minerals, tremendous amounts of agricultural power inside the Ukraine, and I would think that right now they're going to treat Ukraine like Hong Kong was treated after the opium wars, but I think it's a little bit early to make a long-term speculation about what's taking place with it.
I haven't read the entire article, and this is the first I've been exposed to it, so I'm a little bit unprepared to...
Sure, sure, sure.
Let me share a little more.
The participants will explore options for deploying and maintaining defense infrastructure in Ukraine, including military bases, logistic depot, reserve military equipment, storage facilities, and war reserve stockpiles, the document states.
The agreement also emphasizes maritime cooperation.
Particularly in the Black Sea region.
The UK has pledged to enhance Ukraine's interoperability with NATO in the maritime sphere through joint naval operations, port visits, and development of Ukraine naval bases.
We will work together.
To ensure NATO learns the lessons from Ukraine's experience of Black Sea to inform its development of future maritime capabilities.
We'll promote the development of naval bases on the territory of Ukraine.
Joaquin, I'm just floored by this report of the UK signing a 100-year agreement with NATO to build military bases to ensure military cooperation I'm just floored by this report of the UK signing a 100-year agreement with This looks like a covert way of trying to get Ukraine in effect to be a member or partner of NATO.
I am floored.
Your thoughts?
Well, I think we're dealing with two very delusional, desperate men.
It's not going to happen, obviously.
I think they know it, but they're just holding the line for the West.
This is their agenda to keep fighting as long as they can.
Their agenda all along has been to weaken Russia, you know, do regime change there, and, you know, I mean, it's so lopsided.
They're never going to achieve it, but...
They're going gangbusters to get Ukraine in, but it's not going to happen.
We already know the outcome.
So it's so ridiculous.
It's just totally absurd.
I just don't get it.
It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.
Meanwhile, Colonel McGregor is reflecting on Trump and American expansionism.
Here he is with the Judge Napolitano.
...to ask you about, from the Israeli ceasefire to President Trump's statements about American expansionism.
But before we get there, just to dust off a couple of things, how much longer do you think the Ukraine military can successfully resist or even put up any resistance at all to the Russian onslaught?
I don't think that they're resisting widely.
There are a few hard points.
One just fell recently within the last 24 hours, and the Ukrainians took very heavy losses, and there were several that surrendered.
I think they're going to continue to fight in small groups, penny packets, until there's nothing left.
Until there's nothing left.
Do you expect the Trump administration will continue the flow of ammunition and material and cash to the Ukraine government that has occurred under the Biden administration?
Unfortunately, I do see that continuing because, and this will also have an influence over what goes on in the Middle East.
I think the Trump team, And the supporting cast is very interested in a win.
In other words, whatever they do, whatever the president does, it has to be portrayed as a quote-unquote win for President Trump.
The problem right now is that no such win is possible in Ukraine, and I think the president is beginning to figure it out.
The problem there is, of course, he's surrounded by people who are not telling him the truth.
Who are pretending that the Ukrainian army is a stalwart organization, that the Russians have taken heavy losses, that they're running out of people, all this nonsense.
None of which is true.
And as long as he listens to them, it's going to be harder and harder for him to come to terms with reality.
And the reality, very simply, is we have no leverage.
And Moscow has no particular incentive to listen to anything we say.
And the smart move for him is to suspend all further military aid.
And then withdraw all U.S. personnel, in and out of uniform, intelligence or otherwise, and simply say, as far as we're concerned, the war is over.
And this is not something we ever wanted.
We don't want it now.
And of course, once you pull our aid, the war will in fact end, which is what he has said he wants to have happen.
He's talked about the loss of human life and the destructive nature of this whole thing.
That's how you end it.
Then the best he could do is say, I'm willing to host a conference between Moscow, Kiev, and Moscow's European neighbors, and then let them try to sort out a solution.
But that means that we're recognizing the limitations of our power and influence.
Nobody wants to do that in Washington, so I suspect we'll just tread water for another six, seven, or eight weeks.
You know, what you've said...
In part, it's disturbing to me, not Trump's urge to peace.
Obviously, I applaud and commend that.
But the idea, and Ritter has said this, McGovern has said this, Larry Johnson has said this, that the intelligence community would continue to feed the president, President Trump,
materially misleading information as they did Well, certainly Mr. Radcliffe will do nothing to change this.
He's going to carry the status quo message back to the White House.
There is a chance that if Tulsi Gabbard Is confirmed that she goes in and demands ground truth, knowing full well that this nonsense is inaccurate.
That's about the best we can hope for, because I just don't see that Mr. Radcliffe is really any different from his predecessor than, let us say, Waltz is different from Jake Sullivan.
And there's certainly not much difference between Mr. Rubio and Tony Blinken.
I think all that is true.
And we're getting a report here that may reflect increasing awareness on the part of Trump.
Advisors say Ukraine peace deal will take months or even longer.
Advisors to President-elect Donald Trump have concluded that a deal to end the war in Ukraine will likely take months or potentially even longer, Reuters reported Wednesday.
Two unnamed Trump associates who spoke with Reuters described Trump's promise and the conflict.
Within 24 hours, as campaign bluster and lack of understanding of the war.
Keith Kellogg, Trump's incoming envoy to the conflict, has said he hopes to have a deal within the first hundred days of the administration.
Trump's incoming national security advisor, Reverend Mike Walts, has said the next administration will ask Ukraine to lower the conscript age from 25 to 18 to stabilize the battlefield, a sign he expects the war to continue. has said the next administration will ask Ukraine to lower It's also unclear what sort of deal the Trump admin might offer Russia that would be acceptable to President Putin.
Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov has already rejected proposals that have reportedly been discussed by the Trump transition team.
Reported Wednesday, Putin's expected to ask Trump for a guarantee that Ukraine won't ever join NATO, which has been Moscow's main demand since before the invasion was launched on February 22, 2022. Walts has said that a Trump-Putin call is expected to happen in the coming days or weeks.
Joaquin!
I mean...
Putin holds all the cards.
They've defeated Ukraine.
They're not going to surrender any of their territory.
They're not going to give up the Crimea or the Donbass or the other oblasts.
And obviously the biolabs are a figment of the past.
I think this British move is just so underhanded and duplicitous.
It's a true disgrace.
But I'd sure like to see greater realism on the part of Trump.
I mean, I was presuming he was going to threaten to take all U.S. aid away from Ukraine if Zelensky didn't agree to Russian terms of peace.
That's the way it could be resolved in 24 hours.
I see no other option.
Your thoughts.
Well, it seems like this disease called this delusional disorder, you know, they're all pretending.
They know they can't win.
That's the thing.
You know?
It's just like, hold the line right to the end.
Kill as many people as possible before it's all said and done.
But we already know the outcome.
So it's like, they just...
It's the deep state maintaining their wrong course.
They cannot admit the truth.
They cannot admit weakness.
They cannot admit defeat.
And so they continue to just making the bonus mistakes that are so unbelievable.
And I hate to say it, but it doesn't matter whether Biden's in or Trump's in.
It's the same game with the same tools.
To just keep war going.
And I always say, they're all order followers following the City of London money changers.
That's all I see, right to the end.
Brian, any thoughts?
Yeah, well, first of all, Trump said that he would end it in 24 hours.
Obviously, it's not going to be that simple.
That sounds like another typical...
But doesn't it really come down to whether we can stop the continued funding of the forces that are working in Ukraine to provoke Russia?
If Trump is capable of doing that, which would mean that he's got to cut off the head of the snake, he needs to do that rather quickly.
Now, today is the 17th.
His inauguration is on the 20th.
We have the first 100 days and the first 100 executive orders.
The question comes down to whether or not he will be capable of influencing the powers that be that have been setting him up since election day, frankly.
Whether you can get them to back off.
I suspect that Donald Trump is up against something that he knew was going to be very big, very powerful, that he had made alignments with both the Adelson's, Israel, and other forces in the meantime to try to continue this, not to mention...
Alignments with British powers that control Pilgrims Institute and other types of things that work behind the scenes and the mainstream media to help convince people that this is a noble pursuit.
If Trump wanted out in 24 hours, it really is as simple as coming out on day one and announcing, hey, this was Biden's war.
We're getting out of it.
If NATO wants to keep it up, that's fine.
But we could also break loose from NATO if NATO continues to put the pressure on Russia.
I think right now, what I see Trump doing is more of a...
We must protect American hegemony.
We see that with the Greenland move.
We see that with the South American and Gulf of Mexico moves.
It seems like the first priority of business with Trump is more of what's in America's best economic interests.
Now, we don't get access to the same information that Trump gets, whether or not Trump can rely on this information.
I think this time around he might...
I would wait until that happens and see what the first round of executive orders look like.
And if Trump is going to play an aggressive position, just blame this whole thing on Biden and do another messy type of pullout.
Again, we don't have officially too many troops over there, so why wouldn't we just cut the funding off the head of the snake?
Call it a day and let Russia sort of have their way in this situation.
Well, the capitalistic interests that are westernized are probably going to put up a big hissy fit, causing even more problems.
And I don't know why that couldn't be declared to be a win for Trump for ending the war and getting the U.S. the hell out of it and bringing about a peace agreement.
This UK thing, thus to me, is such a wild card.
I find it profoundly disturbing.
Joaquin, any further thoughts you'd like to add?
Well, I just wish that people will come to their senses, you know, and, you know, spare the life of more people that are going to die.
I mean, it's just so abominable.
What they're willing to do.
I mean, to me, it's pure evil just to keep war going, more people dying, for the same negative outcome that the U.S. and West are going to lose.
It makes no sense, but, you know, this is the way the controllers go, I guess.
They won't bend.
We know, of course, now we have a deal proposed that's supposed to be a ceasefire.
Netanyahu is raising all kinds of issues.
I think he's going to play it in such a way that if Hamas can be shown to have really fabricated to have violated the ceasefire, then he'll renege.
I don't think it's going to pan out.
Here we have a report by Andrew Anglin.
Gaza ceasefire officially signed by Jews.
It will obviously collapse very soon.
I don't really have much comment on the Gaza ceasefire other than to say it won't work.
It probably will for a couple of weeks, but it's never going to make it into the state where Moss releases the rest of the hostages because the Jews are simply not going to agree to fully exit Gaza.
I agree completely.
If I had to guess, I suspect that Trump told Bibi, sign the thing and give me a bit of a leash and we can deal with this later.
Trump has massive Israeli and Jewish support and doesn't have that because he's going to free Palestine.
It is funny that Anthony Blinken and Joe Biden are claiming credit for the ceasefire while Israel is saying Donald Trump did it.
Aren't he?
Israel and Hamas have finalized and signed a ceasefire agreement to end 15 months of conflict in Gaza.
Al Arabiya wrote on Thursday, citing sources, the deal, spoken by the United States Qatar and Egypt, includes a 42-day truce and a prisoner exchange.
Earlier on Thursday, Israel delayed a cabinet vote on the ceasefire deal, blaming Hamas for reneging on part of the agreement.
Already, the militant group has rejected those claims.
According to Al Arabiya, the Israeli delegation left the Qatari cabinet after overcoming the differences regarding the agreement, noting that it almost collapsed, yet it had not been for those mediators who has agreed that Israel would reduce its raise on Gaza starting Friday.
Another dispute solved was Hamas demands regarding the names of senior Palestinian prisoners to be released from Israeli jails in the second phase.
The agreement is set to commence on Sunday.
It's confirmed by Secretary of State Blinken to express confidence in the truce's initiation despite the last-minute issues.
Not exactly surprising that in a process of negotiation have been this challenging and this fraught.
You may get a loose end, he said.
We're tying up that loose end as we speak.
Joaquin, is any of this serious or is this more political theater?
Political theater.
I mean, I said, what, two nights ago or whatever, that...
If it goes by history, we're going to find an Yahoo reneging on it.
And here we go.
He's already claiming that Hamas has violated the ceasefire terms, and so he's pulling out.
This is what he's done three or four or five times!
So he's just repeating the same behavior to sabotage any peace.
That's the way I see it.
I mean, I think it's going to be a miracle if some kind of actual peace resolution ends up.
I don't see it.
Brian?
I see more and more that Israel is similar to America in the following respect.
There is a group of power-hungry oligarchs and criminals at the very top tier.
In this case, let's call them Zionists or a new breed of Israelis that are driven by personal motives, financial motives, and power structure motives.
And then there's another tier of civilization.
That are the normal people that operate on a day-to-day basis, wanting to do what they do in peace and in prosperity.
Israel's aggressive expansion into Gaza is part of a long-term plan, and it's not something that is, quote-unquote, ordained by God, as they would be trying to convince the people of Israel that that's what they're doing.
Instead, they're using false flags.
There doesn't seem to be any divine providence whatsoever.
It's more like murder and mayhem and a power grab and a land grab than it is anything righteous or religious, which is what, if the Jews were legit, they would be projected.
So I suspect that we're going to continue to see the dark side of political play emanating out of Israel, that they will indeed back out of any agreement that they've made using some sort of false flag excuse or some planted series of stories in the media that they will indeed back out of any agreement that they've made using some sort of false flag excuse You can't make a deal with the devil and expect that it's going to go well in terms of the devil standing up and...
And I think Trump is probably aware of this.
Can Trump hold them back, or has he made alliances that are going to prevent him from acting in America's best interest, which would be to separate from the Jews and basically decapitate AIPAC and allow the Jews to become a victim of their neighbors that they've been pissing off for centuries?
And I don't know that that's going to happen because the Jews will consider any weakness in Trump's position.
to mean that he's held them out to dry.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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General conception for today's show originated with a post by Joachim on the Khazarian Mafia, which he's been exposing again and again and again with great success, which happened in this instance to begin as follows.
Our human history consists largely of nonstop fabrication in order to protect me.
Elam worshipers, that tiny group of descendants of the Nephrim fallen angels, and in actuality were the 12 to 15 foot extraterrestrials known as the Anakonas who came down from the heavens in spaceships in present-day Iraq to colonize our planet nearly a quarter million millennia ago.
They never left and are still our shameful colonial overlords today.
Using Sumerian-written, good-form tablets along with ancient world traditions from about 5 to 6,500 years ago, Philistine scribes or rabbis later began rewriting history, obscuring the hidden truth, changing Summers' multiple God ET references to the one God, Yahweh, formalized in the Hebrew Bible's Old Testament.
Now, as an agnostic, Of course, I was fascinated that Joaquin should be offering these opinions.
I'm, of course, extremely skeptical about extraterrestrials and having arrived in Iraq and so forth, but it raises so many issues that spill over into additional questions about CERN, fallen angels, and the like.
I was especially eager to have Catherine join us now, I know from past experience.
She's been blocked again and again attempting to join this very program.
So will she if she's successful today or not.
Meanwhile, by way of preliminary discussion, Brian, what is your take on Joaquin's sketch here of ancient history?
Well, I think pretty much the entire audience would know that I'm a guy who believes the Bible as a Christian.
And if I'm reading that correctly, then that means I'm building what's called doctrine.
And what people don't understand about the Bible or that they miss from a distance...
Is that doctrine starts out with those things that become very clear across all the pages of history that are projected in the Bible.
And then there are more obscure passages.
And the very difficulty is...
Let me give you an example.
A proper exegesis of the Bible, and therefore what I believe to be the core of spiritual things, or at least the most truth that we can possibly get about spiritual things.
The problem becomes we can read the Bible and create an exegesis, which is what does this verse tell us about doctrine?
And then we can oversimplify that and move to the next.
So, for instance, there's something called Calvinism, okay?
What Calvinism is are guys that were reading the Bible and sort of indexing all the things that they were learning.
And creating a systematic theology that says, okay, this says this, there's a lot about this, so this is what we know about this, therefore this is a big doctrine.
And then this is a secondary doctrine, and it's a pretty big doctrine, there's a lot of knowledge about that, and this is a tertiary doctrine.
So you've got a bunch of doctrines that sort of go from biggest to smallest based on what they say.
One of the problems with analyzing the Bible, and the reason that people get off-kilter in understanding it, is that they take that index of thought, and then they create a systematic approach to what the Bible really says.
But getting into the more obscure things, you find yourself down where there's very few verses, for instance, Genesis chapter 6. Very few things that give us very little light in terms of what does this actually look like, and then they take that particular area of Scripture and expand it too far into an entire doctrine.
So at this point in time, I would say I've gone back personally because I do believe that we're in a spiritual battle, and I believe it's developing very, very quickly.
I've decided to go back and rebuild all my doctrines straight from the Bible itself, and that way I can get a better feel for the proper balance.
In other words, heresy comes when you violate major doctrines.
It is not heresy to break off and sort of over-focus on particular areas.
And in order to avoid that and get to the truth, you have to go back, and forget the systematic theology, you have to go back and read it.
And that's what I've begun doing.
I've been through all the major prophets in the last 15 days, and I think I have a pretty good feel for what it's teaching, but I'm not ready to sort of issue rulings on some of this more obscure stuff, because I don't believe that doctrine is very well developed in my mind yet.
Joaquin has, in addition to this and other articles that were published roughly a month ago, a new piece now, increasing evidence suggests AI and interdimensional demonic forces are already here, published today on the government rag.
Over the last couple months, even the U.S. government, for the last eight decades, emphatically denied ETs.
It's increasingly floating the idea of alien intelligence, no longer denying the existence of alien technology and other worldly disclosure.
It appears to be a setup, leading to what NASA's very first director, a former German Nazi, Wernher von Braun, on his deathbed in 1977, confessed a sobering warning to humanity.
That the controllers will attempt to stage a fake alien invasion, deploying space-based weapons akin to Project Bluebeam in order to usher in the New World Order's one-world government tyranny.
It's even evident that's where we are now headed fast.
Today, the People's Voice broadcast reporting on released NASA documents available on Debra Tavares is stopped at Crime.net.
Website states, leaks of official NASA documents reveal decades of high-level preparation for a massive extinction event set to begin in 2025. But this isn't just about wiping out humanity.
It's about replacing us.
Cyborg, bots, transhumanism are at the core of the global agenda.
One that has directly to do with the elite's obsession with depopulation.
The goal?
Supply humanity into a matrix, uploading consciousness to a digital cloud.
Reality as we know it is a simulation controlled and manipulated.
The matrix wasn't just a movie.
It was predictive programming.
And according to NASA documents, it's about to become our new reality.
What's even more disturbing, many of the steps outlined in their plans have already happened.
The clock is ticking.
The evidence is mounting.
NASA's 2001 Future Strategic Issued Future Warfare Circuit 2025 document is essentially a declaration of war against humanity using Nanotechnologies.
After so much past science fiction, it's already become today's nonfiction reality.
And then all those Twilight Zone episodes, Stanley Kubrick classic 2001 Space Odyssey, or the Terminator series, all depict the running theme of machines taking over humanity.
Further corroborated today by both scientists and high-tech entrepreneurs, Warning us that our man-made AI robotics are programmed to replace and destroy us.
This alone should give us pause before we embrace AI smart technology, poised at the ready to destroy us in 2025, perhaps even controlled by interdimensional entities, armed and aimed at executing the same lethal agenda.
Along with all this to ponder.
A flood of online videos gone viral are capturing the strange sounds of trumpets emanating from the sky and other bizarre, inexplicable atmospheric anomalies eclipsed recently by the two-month-long drone PSYOP in late 2024. All this appears to be the deep state buildup to condition us with fear and anticipation of strange events to come from outer space.
Also, we have former Ness and deep space whistleblowing contractors with Dr. Stephen Greer ready to expose powerful black ops using hidden reverse engineering technologies, escaping all government oversight.
Dr. Greer explained whistleblowers will blow the lid off 80 years of total government censorship and denial.
The CT phenomena of other galactic civilization, both good and bad, tied with the manipulation of recent events, are being rolled out to induce increasing control, leading to our neo-feudal enslavement.
Joaquin, I know you are a serious guy, and I'm quite struck that you are arriving at conclusions that in the past I would have regarded as science fiction, but I'm convinced and I'm quite struck that you are arriving at conclusions that in the past I would have Please elaborate further.
as I mentioned in the article, it seems all the science fiction comes true.
So, you know, I think that when they go into AI, And you have some of the entrepreneurs coming forth and saying, yeah, we're heading into dangerous territory where we don't know how these things are going to react to the humans because they're smarter than us already.
So, just as all in the science fiction of the past, I think they're going to...
They've already...
Some of the AI has made horrible decisions against human beings, and I think that's only going to continue as they grow smarter than humans.
They will realize that the humans cannot control them and that they have the power to control us.
And so I think it's just an extension.
And when you go into, you know, the idea that there are...
Quantum computers and the qubits that are able to accumulate data from perhaps even parallel universes.
And then we have entrepreneurs that build these quantum computers actually claiming a few years ago, I think it was in 2011 or 12, he started with it.
And that's Jordy Rose claiming that, yep.
We're going to summon the demons in these machines that we're building here.
And I think, you know, the AI is as good as the programmers, and the programmers are right there with the globalists to destroy humanity.
So I think it's all basically cascading upon us that, yes, we're headed for a showdown between the ones that are controlling the Earth.
Throwing all the wars and the bioweapons, holocausts at us, the food shortages, the expensive hyperinflation that people can't afford, rent and food.
You know, it's all coming at us.
And I just think that it's going to be hard times for all the people on this earth that want peace, that want to live.
So that they're not interrupted, not controlled by an invasive government that's surveilling their every move.
And it's just moving all in the wrong direction.
And I think right along with it, we have Luciferians that are in control of all this.
And I believe that there is negative demonic energies, yes, that are in the...
Electronic cloud, I believe they're in AI, and I believe that they were, I mean, and then I use as my testimony for this, just look at what 2025 has been about.
It's been nonstop mega crises.
We have never seen this concentrated, you know, just barrage of these negative crisis events coming at us.
And I think, you know, and I... I enter in the posit of when the Pope opened these five portals at the Vatican, one of them being the tomb of Lucifer.
You know, I put it all together and bam!
We're hit with all the fires and the chemical fog and the terrorist acts in Las Vegas, New Orleans.
I mean, it's non-stop.
And I think the whole year is going to turn out in the same way.
And so, I don't know.
I mean, I think that people have to rise up.
I don't think there's going to be Trump to save us.
I don't think that the White Hats will save us.
It's going to be up to us people to fight back against these very demonic-type negative forces that are out to kill us.
So, yeah, that's kind of my conclusion.
I know it's very gloomy, but...
I think I'm basing it on real unfolding events.
Well, it's certainly extraordinary and rather intimidating, and I'm at a loss as to how far I buy into it, but I sure appreciate your sobriety, my friend, and the fact that you take it seriously is...
A reason for me to as well.
Brian, your thoughts?
Fear is what drives the people into relegating our personal responsibilities to a government to solve or protect us from that fear.
The question for humanity at this particular point in time is, who will we trust?
Will we trust a government?
Full of bureaucrats that supposedly have a mandate to act in the best interest of the people but have forgotten that mandate?
Will we trust them to protect us from this great spiritual threat?
Will we trust the Roman Catholic Church to protect us from this great spiritual threat if we need to be protected from this great spiritual threat?
Who do we turn to in terms of an answer?
I can tell you right now that all of this buzz related to some sort of supernatural spiritual attack is growing in terms of its power and its tide over people.
But where do we turn for the truth?
Where do we turn for the power that gives people what they need to Separate themselves from that fear so that we can act in unison and act properly to protect ourselves from these things that cause us fear.
In other words, do we turn to government to protect us from the very people who are trying to drive us into a one-world government?
Do we turn to a church that on many levels, in many places, the official church is...
Broken in terms of their doctrine and their understanding of this world.
Do we turn to the Christians who seem to have a really good take on it?
I think that we do.
And if this is true and the world is cascading towards an irrevocable rise of a new spiritual throne, then...
How do we protect ourselves from that?
And I think the answer is by exposing deceptions.
We must continue to expose deceptions.
We must continue to lay them out.
There needs to be voices among the people that are wise and smart that show us how these deceptions are playing out.
In order to get there, we have to agree that there's some sort of standard of truth that can be...
Now, what we've seen develop in the last 30 or 40 years is sort of an existentialism in terms of, well, there's no God on the outside that's speaking downward to mankind, so we have to rely on ourselves, we have to rely on the history books, we have to rely on those things that we can find to be true among ourselves.
And I would say that the Christians disagree.
We say, oh, we look to eternity, we look to Christ, we look to the Bible, the Word of God, cohesively written, 66 different books, 40 authors, 1,500 years, all different types of authors from all different types of backgrounds,
and you have a perfectly coherent, perfectly well-developed tapestry of an image of a powerful God that made all of these resources beyond us, He has the power over them and can control them.
Now, has he let them loose?
And for what purpose?
That's the mystery.
But I can guarantee you that the answer is in the Bible.
And it's not in Hinduism or, you know, New Age-y type of things.
I think the real problem is existentialism, where we think that the answer is found in man and philosophy rather than...
Of course, as a philosopher and expert in the area of epistemology, theory of knowledge, and scientific reasoning, I become very troubled when we're dealing with theological concepts that are beyond scientific investigation.
The existence of a transcendent God, a creator, Outside of space-time, for example, is clearly inaccessible to scientific inquiry that's confined to space-time, observation, measurements, experiments.
And when there's a situation where neither the existence of God nor the non-existence of God is amenable to rational proof, I, in virtually every Other students of these issues,
including theologians, ministers, priests, and rabbis, acknowledge these are articles of faith that one believes independent of evidence in their favor or against.
And if one subscribes, as do I, to the ethics of belief, articulated by the British philosopher William Clifford, That it is always and everywhere wrong to believe anything for which you lack sufficient evidence.
I remain in a state of uncertainty and skepticism about theological claims generally, and I'm troubled but open to the potential of extraterrestrial visitation.
Vannevar Bush had reported about Area 51. It certainly looks as though something unusual happened there, that there was an encounter with extraterrestrial civilization.
I've even seen videos of what purport to be small greys, and the videos looked authentic, but of course, Hollywood has a capacity to manufacture What seemed to be credible or believable versions of virtually any phenomenon whatsoever,
just having reviewed, for example, not only the Terminator films, which I liked tremendously during the last couple of weeks, but a whole series about aliens and predators.
Fascinated by what a Hollywood can conjure and present in a highly convincing fashion, leaving one, of course, only to speculate about the relationship between what's being presented cinematically in any corresponding reality out there.
Well, Joaquin, it's very clear to me that you have drawn conclusions about realities that have yet...
Continue to baffle me, but I'm fascinated by your claims.
So what more can you tell us?
I think when you allude to the fires, you mentioned to New Orleans, you mentioned Las Vegas.
We know those were staged events.
We know the fires in California are created by directed energy weapons.
We know that they're intended to...
Presage the rollout of smart cities, 15-minute cities, and even the 2028 Olympics.
And from my point of view, as a philosopher of science, an alternative explanation that can account for the data that appeals to fewer entities, particularly of exotic...
Characters such as extraterrestrial is preferable scientifically, but I take it you have good reasons for going further, so I welcome.
I only wish Catherine were here to offer her opinions as a scientist herself, indeed an expert in particle physics who's been to CERN issues that we will be addressing.
Subsequently, but for the time being, Joaquin, more of your thoughts.
If we have reasonable non-exotic explanations, aren't they preferable to exotic explanations?
Your thoughts?
Well, I think pretty much all three of us would agree that it seems as though Those imbued with the most power on this earth are doing things that are very detrimental for humanity and for life on this earth to continue.
It seems that they are driving towards zero carbon.
And, you know, let's face it, all life on Earth, be it a plant kingdom or animal kingdom, depends on the symbiotic relationship that's based on carbon-based Earth, natural Earth.
And they're going completely against that.
And along with the whole transhumanist movement of cyborgs and AI and robotics, that's where they're going.
And it's to replace the humans.
And so the power elite are, I see, as Luciferian.
So it's an extension from that.
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Joaquin, I'm fascinated by what you think to be the most persuasive evidence of the sketch you've been giving us about ETs and transhumanism and the like.
I mean, this is fascinating stuff, but to me it's all been, in the past, highly speculative and conjectural.
The fact that you're taking it seriously is impacting my attitude.
I'd just love to learn more.
Well, I think there's a lot of evidence that we have been visited by extraterrestrials from other galaxies.
I mean, we can go back to Roswell, but there's been many crashes.
And we also can pretty much bet that...
The Majestic 12 and all the contractors and NASA and the rest of the lot, they did some back engineering.
And this is what Dr. Stephen Greer is foremost trying to bring out, that there has been all this hidden technology, the engineering of anti-gravity forces that have been...
Taken from the craft that have crashed.
And so, I mean, there's a lot of evidence, obviously, that we are not alone.
That it is a multiverse, and there are probably multiple civilizations of intelligent life elsewhere.
And just as there's the good on this earth of good people, and then there are bad people.
I also believe that the extension of life beyond our planet out there in our solar system and beyond also is comprised of civilizations that may be advanced technologically, but not advanced spiritually.
And I think that one of the early civilizations that actually did come into our atmosphere In spaceships was the Anunnaki, and this was a civilization that obviously could travel intergalactically and was high on technology, but they certainly were not high on spirituality.
They practiced all kinds of murder and war and blood sacrifice, and they were regarded because The reports from anthropologists and all of this is that there were giants appearing to the hominids that were on this earth at that time.
And this is going back to like 450 million years ago, or 450,000 years ago, excuse me.
And so the earthlings, these small little guys down here, Just looked up to them, and these are the giants or the gods to them, and that's how they pass themselves off as.
And then, you know, we have the Philistines writing basically the Old Testament, and it's based on evidence that Sumeria had been visited by these Anunnaki.
That they were the gods.
And through the Old Testament, it was limited down to a monotheistic god, and it was passed on through all the religions, all three of the Abrahamic, that there's this one monotheistic god.
And I think that the original descendants of the spaceship that came down are still...
Going today in the form of the black nobility, bloodlines, the royalty families, the Rothschild owning pretty much the banking cartel, central banking of the world.
They have hijacked humanity, and they're an evil lot.
And they are descended, I believe, directly from the spaceship Anunnaki ET civilization.
And there's also a lot of speculation, and I think even some scientific proof, that underground, in the Earth, there are also civilizations that are there.
I mean, there's an engineer that was Phil Schneider.
He was murdered, and he was working down in Las Cruces in New Mexico, underground, and got into an actual...
Battle with ETs down there.
He started speaking about that, and then he died.
He was murdered.
And so there's a lot of evidence that we are certainly not alone.
We're impacted by an elite group that has been in control, I believe, of this Earth for millennia.
And they used deception.
They used the...
Basically, the dialectic, they create the problem and then come up with a solution, edging ever closer to absolute control over humanity.
And, you know, they hijacked our...
Financial system with 1913 Federal Reserve Act.
I mean, you know, on and on with all the negativity in the wars, you know, creating two conflicts and backing both sides to all the wars.
That's the Rothschild methodology.
They've been doing it for a couple of centuries now.
And they use the usury system to make us enslaved.
We're all indentured servants in debt.
The whole earth is.
And it's like $37 trillion in debt for our country.
So, I mean, it's all being grounded into oblivion, where everything's going to crash at the same time.
There's going to be World War III. There's going to be the economic global crash.
Everything's going to happen at the same time, and it ain't good.
And, you know, so it's not much of an extension to say that there could be negative forces in this Earth that are interdimensional.
And then I use as an example, I mean, most people are aware that people...
When they use drugs, they become susceptible.
When they are extremely depressed, they are more susceptible.
Or if they actually start practicing Satanism and things like that, they become extremely susceptible to possession by interdimensional entities that enter their mind,
their body, and And basically, we're able to see exorcisms done to these victims, these human victims that have had possession through external forces that are in their mind and body and speaking through their vocal cords.
And then the exorcisms are able to remove these forces sometimes.
Those are interdimensional forces that enter a human body.
So it's not all that much of a stretch in my mind that interdimensional evil forces can also enter the AI and the electronic cloud system that we have going.
And we have entrepreneurs that are into all this stuff that are actually saying we're summoning the demons from other universes.
So, I mean, it all kind of fits with where we're going, with what evidence we have of where we're at right now and where we're going, with a little bit of a leap, yes.
I don't have absolute proof, obviously, but there's a lot of factors that are coming into play here to suggest the very real plausibility, I believe, that, yes, there are...
Interdimensional evil forces that are also making themselves manifest now, especially in 2025, when everything has been stepped up.
This is a very minor aspect of everything you're addressing, but if we had this sophisticated technology of ET origins, how was it we were unable to even transit 250?
Thousand miles to the moon and back.
I mean, the fraudulent character of the claims of having gone to the moon has been exposed multiple times.
I've done it myself.
I must have a hundred lines of proof.
One might have speculated that if we had this very sophisticated kind of, for example, anti-gravity technology, that it would be a piece of cake.
But it's not only not a piece of cake, but it appears to be physically impossible for us to make the transit, or at the very least, technically impossible, because we do not have the capacity to escape low Earth orbit in terms of power of propulsion.
We don't have the, or did not then, have the computing power to navigate the trip.
We can't circumvent the Van Allen radiation belt.
Without requiring like six feet of lead to protect the astronauts, if we got there, we wouldn't have the propulsion or the resources, the energy to get back.
So that's a very, very tiny point in relation to everything you're presenting here, Joaquin.
I'm fascinated by it and a bit overwhelmed.
Brian, your thoughts?
Oh, well, there's a lot there that I could address.
And so I'd like to go back to the fundamentals of what I believe.
I believe that we exist in a real world.
I believe that there is actual matter around us.
I would agree with Descartes, who said, I doubt, therefore I think.
And I think, therefore, I am.
That bypasses it.
Now, the next question is, how did it come about?
And with this, I would agree with Christ, and I would agree with Moses, and I would agree with the prophets, and I would agree with the disciples, and I would agree with all 66 books that have compiled up our Bible that God, the one who created all of this, is outside of our space-time continuum.
Before Genesis 1-1, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, God claims to have been there.
Christ claims to have been there with God.
Christ claims equivalence with God.
Christ was a real person who came to the real world, who affected...
But also, one thing that's important is that witnesses who lived impeccable moral lives said that Christ was transfigured and had crossed the realms between heaven and earth when he brought Moses in and others.
Also, you have the crucifixion and the ascension, real events that happened in real history.
Now, I want to go back and address something Jim said of the first hour, which is...
You know, by what proof?
Well, I would say that since God is outside of the space-time continuum, and we apply that to him, he is therefore omnipresent.
Now, all throughout the Bible, we know our history.
We know that the book of Isaiah was written, and the book of Psalms were written prior to the arrival of Christ on Earth.
And yet they prophesied with almost perfect accuracy events such as Psalm 22 and Isaiah chapter 66, which was Christ's crucifixion on the cross, whereby he would redeem a fallen world.
Okay, so we have an instance here where we see an entity that gives us information downwardly that shows that this entity is simultaneously present.
Throughout all space and time.
And he gives us this information with authority.
The authority is, did Christ exist?
Yes.
Was he who he claimed he was?
I believe he was because he wasn't a lunatic and he wasn't a liar.
Therefore, there's really only one action left, which is he was exactly who he claimed to be.
So what we believe is that there is an omnipresent, omniscient, therefore, Immutable, always the same, unchanging God who has chosen to start creation from eternity past and has chosen to wind it up, put it into action, and apply natural law to this particular realm.
Now, for the purpose, I can tell you my thoughts.
But the chief end of man, I'm going to agree with the Westminster Confession, the chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever.
Now, what is it, therefore, that He calls us to do?
And I think this is very simple.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.
You can boil religion down to the golden rule in terms of this is what that God requires of us.
Now, how do we adhere?
All these questions are things that are answered and addressed by apologists and within the Bible.
But once we start out with a foundational base that I feel has been proven very, very well throughout observable time and history, archaeology and evidence, then we can begin having discussion about all these anomalies that Joachim is bringing out.
And I think that the Christian apologists and the Bible have very good answers for all these things.
And I would call the...
New sort of thought that he's projecting.
Basically like a newly developing religion that is designed by those dark spirits in order to deceive people into believing that we are not built in the image of God like we really indeed are.
I'm not at all sure.
What I'm in a position to say about all that.
Joaquin, you're welcome to respond to Brian's observations.
Well, I think that we are in a spiritual war on this earth between good and evil, God and Satan.
And those are two forces.
And, of course, Satan was the fallen angel.
And he...
And then they have the expression, the earth is the devil's domain, dominion.
And I have to say, unfortunately, we're moving in a direction where that, to me, is very evident.
God is present, but I'm afraid that people's sense of belief in God is not strong.
And it's been going down.
I agree.
I mean, there's less, I believe.
People are more agnostic or just nonbelievers now, I think, than ever before.
And I think that's part of why things are moving in a very negative direction.
I think that there's a lot less sense of...
A moral compass guiding people's behavior between right and wrong.
I think it's been hedged into like a gray area where people are unclear as to certain choices either being right and wrong.
And of course they've crammed us down with this whole concept of LGBTQ on and on with the gender transgender bullshit.
That's also polluting the minds of people and causing all kinds of dysmorphia in young people that don't know what the hell they are gender-wise.
And I see that as all very horribly negative and in some perspectives would be called demonic.
It's certainly delusional from my point of view because there's only two genders.
So, yeah, I mean, we have an elite group of people here that have had power for a long time.
They maintain it mainly through the financial system.
And they have been interjecting all kinds of falsehoods upon us as our history.
And so much of it is false.
I mean, all we need to do is look at how, you know, the...
Jewish story, the story of Israel, all of it is based on lives.
You know, so, yeah, I mean, we have a lot of homework to do to get right so that we are living in a natural world according to, basically, the laws of God, which are the natural laws.
Living by the golden rule, which you can't beat that as far as being a decent human being.
If you live by the golden rule, you're a decent human being that has respect for other people, treats other people with respect and kindness.
Unfortunately, I think in these hard times, people are getting a little bit crazy.
I mean, the medical health is off the charts as far as, you know, You know, abnormalities and psychosis and mental illness, it's really getting bad.
And the harder times get and the stress, people don't have the coping skills.
So we're in a real mess right now.
And I think that, you know, you might say that there's a lot more of a negative influence out there.
And if you want to carry it to the extreme where there are...
We have to try and, you know, do all we can to survive as a human race by learning how to be civil and learning spirituality in our daily life.
That's our coping skill for life and for basically expansion of being.
Goodwill toward other people.
And we have to change this course in this direction that's going towards the negative and, you know, very brutally violent and all this.
It's a fundamental, deep-rooted changes that we are in dire need of doing now.
And like I said, people have lost their way spiritually.
Fairly obvious philosophical question, of course, is how do we...
Sort out among competing religions.
I mean, there are so many, each of which claims to be the true religion.
How are we going to sort out among them?
I mean, the Abrahamic are only scratching the surface.
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Mohammedism.
We have Confucianism, Buddhism, Jaoism, Taoism, I mean the list, Astro-Zorianism, I mean the list is virtually endless.
How do we have an objective basis for sorting them out to determine which, if any, is the true religion?
Brian, yours.
I'm going to make my case.
I'm going to make my case.
Everything that Joaquin said is true.
We are on a natural decline.
The amount of insanity in society continues to expand exponentially.
We are sliding away from our roots.
What was the difference between the communist nations back in the 16 and 1700s and America?
What was the difference between the nations that slid into the French Revolution off with your head or Russia's mindless slaughtering of so many citizens under the Bolsheviks?
What was the difference between those nations and what happened in America and what happened in England?
The difference, in my opinion, is that the nations that slid off the deep end...
We're very much caught up in existentialism, whereas the nations that were able to hold it together were the nations that went through the Reformation, which was a great awakening time period that took place.
What was the fundamental difference?
Existentialism said the standard is that which is useful for us today.
The truth is that which works best...
Given our current situation, existentialism was rooted in, what do you think, men?
Do we have an agreement?
Do we have a consensus that this is true and that this is not?
What was biblical?
What did the Bible teach?
The Bible taught that there was a standard of righteousness that was above and beyond what any man could possibly achieve.
That when the fall of man happened, All men slid off into the darkness, just as sin entered the world through one man, therefore death through sin, so death spread to all men because all sinned.
What came after that, you're talking about Adam, garden, biblical monotheism, what happened after that is that God allowed that to take place so that he could build a plan of redemption.
Throughout history, actual face-time history, and show us the way, show us who he is, being transcendent and above us.
Now, in basically 23 BC, he sent us the result of Old Testament prophecies.
He sent us Christ.
Christ came and he quoted from the Old Testament.
Christ came and lived...
Perfectly moral life.
No one ever accused him in any way of not living according to who God is.
He made claims to in fact be the God that created the universe.
John chapter 17. He claimed he was there in glory.
He claimed to be one with God and thus created the standard.
Then he died for our sins on the cross.
We believe that this is the standard.
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Join the conversation.
You know, it just makes me laugh.
What Brian needs to do there, he has to pick up...
Bollinger Companion Bible from 1910. Get the King James Version.
And what they were doing, they were going through the Bible, and they were doing a proper translation of what they were saying.
And right away in Genesis 1-1, the word magic comes from magnetics.
And black magic, your magnetics get way off.
That's why the Bible's always black.
The Bible says, in the beginning, God created the heaven and earth.
But in reality, it said, in the beginning, the gods created heaven and earth.
Okay?
Prometheus created the sun.
Okay?
Zeus created Jupiter.
I mean, I have to go through them all.
Venus was created by Lucifer, okay?
And that's what was going on.
And then when I know all this and then I look at TV, you had on Inconvenient Truth the other day, you had that segment on Larry Silverman where Silverstein or whatever his name is, he says...
Oh, I missed the Trade Center's falling that day because I had to go to the doctor.
The sun gets me because the opposite of the sun is the anti-sun, the anti-Christ.
Oh, it just affects me.
Well, that was a hidden message for all these people that know all this stuff.
No one knows this stuff.
And as far as, you know, these people...
Joaquin is spot on.
My third eye works.
I can see him.
They're around here.
I've got a sailboat out at Lake Perry, and when I get on it, there's Andromedans on it.
In their dimension, my boat is the size of the Titanic, and I do my meditation stuff, and one of them gives me a back rub.
Okay?
So, they're all around.
I could talk for hours about this stuff.
The Dracos, you know, I've dealt with them more than once.
I hurt the Dracos bad, okay?
But I can't, I couldn't tell anybody.
You'd think I'm crazy enough now, if I explained what I did to them, you would say you were crazier than belief.
Okay.
Brian's had trouble hearing you.
Joaquin, have you been able to hear Brian?
Yeah, very low, but I'm still able to hear him, yeah.
Odd.
Brian, you have only heard parts of it?
I don't know what was said.
I'm sorry.
For some reason, the computer just went quiet.
Very curious.
Well, Brian was saying...
You need to be consulting a different Bible.
Brian, would you want to repeat that aspect of your opening statement?
It's called the Companion Bible by Bollinger, published in 1910. Get the King James Version, because what they did was they took the actual Hebrew, and they went through where the dark had jacked with the Bible, and then...
said exactly what they were saying.
And it doesn't start out in Genesis 1, 1, God created the heavens and earth.
The Elohim created the heavens and earth.
And Elohim is plural for El, which El is God in Hebrew.
Elohim is the gods, okay?
And then when you know these things, then...
It just totally changes everything, okay?
And they've messed with it.
That's why it's a black book.
Black magic, okay?
I know so much about this.
I had four hours of shows on this with Mitchell, and Mitchell said after my four hours, he could never have me back because he got so attacked.
What I said on those shows.
Brian wants to respond.
We do have a second caller.
Go ahead, Brian.
Okay.
The scriptures have been protected from God himself since the beginning of time.
Christ said this himself.
You need that.
So here's my point.
Allow me to answer the question, please.
Let Brian answer.
Go ahead.
Okay.
The earliest and most reliable documents that we have were papyri, were on papyrus, which was basically a flaxseed plate of paper.
Hebrew was originally written right to left.
The documents only had a certain shelf life.
We as Christians believe that The original documents were inspired.
We don't necessarily agree that the copies were inspired, but what happened was a particular manuscript was passed from point A to point B, copied by the scribes, which was a very serious Jewish sect of people who specialized in copying.
They literally counted every letter on every page, and if it wasn't perfect, they'd get rid of it.
And they copied and made copies and made copies and made copies, and so you have generations.
Version one is the original, then you have two or three, four copies that came from that, five or seven copies that came from each one of those, some are existent, some are not.
Archaeological evidence indicates when we discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were basically a bunch of...
Those papyrus documents that were found inside a cave in Qumran, we found a copy of the script of Isaiah that predated anything else that we had by over 500 years.
That copy of the script said almost exactly the same thing down to the letter from what we had today.
Right now today, we have examples of papyrus.
We haven't even gone through them all from...
Egypt that have come up to us that are first century, maybe second, third, fourth generation documents that had been built after the Gospels had been developed, that had been passed from church to church to church to church by traveling preachers and others and copied at many different churches along the way.
So we find later copies and we find earlier copies.
But guess what?
They generally match.
Now, if we find one with a deviation, we throw it out.
This is a process called textual criticism.
I do not accept the position that the Bible has been modified, changed, or adjusted, because if it had, and if it could have been, then the Catholics would have done it to make clear that the Pope Is the head of the church.
The Jews would have done it to make clear that the Messiah hadn't come.
Satan would have done it to make clear that he has authority over this world.
The scriptures are protected, and they're protected from God himself outside of this universe, and they are the Word.
The Word of God.
And by them, we know who God is.
Joaquin, do you have any thoughts you'd like to add here?
Well, I don't have the information or knowledge that Brian has on the Bible, or for that matter, even Christianity, so I'll pass.
We have a second caller, 408 area code.
Is that Paul?
Join the conversation, 408. You know, I was tempted to make some sort of witty quip, but...
One of the things that occurred to me when I listened to the last 20 to 30 minutes of your show before you started taking calls, as I'm saying to myself, Jim, you've got to be going crazy listening to this.
You know, I get uncomfortable when somebody thinks they've got it all figured out.
You know, because the one thing I've figured out is I don't have it figured out.
I mean, you look at what's going on in this world and you just say to yourself, Okay, well, if there's a God, where the hell is he?
Now, you know, this is a simplistic sort of thought.
I've raised it many times before.
But there's so many contradictions in what a lot of people believe versus what has already been written, and they're arguing about different versions.
And you scratch your head and say, okay, well, which one is correct or any of them correct?
And as Jim, you've often made the point that, you know, none of it is really based upon empirical.
It's all speculation because none of it is provable.
But I will ask this question of everybody here today.
How many people here today have read or have heard of the book Everything You Know Is Wrong by Lloyd Pye or seen the video presentation you can watch on YouTube by the same name?
Everything You Know Is Wrong, Lloyd Pye, P-Y-E. You can watch an hour-plus presentation on YouTube.
Anybody here seen that? - I think I have a copy of the book in Black Ball.
I mean, you know.
- Okay. - The Bunker Extraordinary.
Go ahead.
- Yeah, it's a great presentation, by the way.
So, you know, Brian, you should watch it.
Both Brians should watch it.
Joaquin, you should watch it.
I mean, today, it's search term on, you'll find it if it's not on YouTube, it's somewhere.
And if it's true, if the thing that he brings up...
That are valid, and it's all based upon, you know, biology, anthropology, genetics.
Then you cannot escape the conclusion that we have been modified.
Our genetic structure has been modified.
Now, there's so many other things he covers, but if that is true, then you have to pose the question, well, who modified us?
And where did they come from?
Okay?
And who made them?
And so on, and so on, and so on.
So, to me, it's so staggering and astounding, this world that we're living in.
It clearly is a creation.
No matter what you believe about the Earth, the solar system, the universe, you know, etc.
You know, it's no accident.
And it's just, there's so many more questions than answers.
And again, I get uncomfortable when somebody thinks that they have all the answers based upon some particular interpretation of, quote, the Bible.
Well, of course, I believe that the world is not random.
It's governed by laws of physics, chemistry, biology, including those of evolution.
And to me, when one envisions the role of God here, I could see as a position one might adopt that God created...
The laws of nature and let the world then run on in accordance with those laws.
There's, of course, a fundamental difference between the laws of nature, which cannot be violated and cannot be changed and require no enforcement, versus the laws of man, which obviously are changeable, can be violated and require enforcement.
And obviously we have the...
Historic problem of some groups, such as the Jews, claiming that their right entitlement by God's will transcends human law, that they're responding to a higher law.
All those issues, of course, come into play.
But I appreciate your note of skepticism, Paul.
I just have so much respect for Brian and for Joaquin that they...
Have these views, to me, is very affecting.
I mean, not that I'm sharing them, but that they possess those views is, to me, remarkable in its own right.
Brian?
It was interesting.
I mean, I enjoyed listening to the both of them talk about the way they view things.
It's worth pointing out.
Here's the other thing I'll mention real quick.
I didn't get a chance to the other day.
When you were talking about, okay, these forecasts or the visions or whatever, the predictions of Albert Pike or such people as Nostradamus, and you basically said you just didn't know what to make of that sort of a thing.
Yeah.
And what I didn't get a chance to mention is this, is we've all experienced what we would call dreams and visions, right?
Sure.
I'm certain that you've had many dreams that could be categorized as visions, and sometimes you...
Think about them and ponder them and remember them, and other times you don't.
You just get up and go about your day, in many cases not consciously aware of what just occurred.
And I would just pose this question, which is, where do these dreams and visions come from?
Are they just completely made up from inside of your own mind?
And I'm certain, Jim, that you've delved into the whole concept of consciousness not being local.
One of the more interesting shows, actually more than one show that...
I used to really enjoy on Art Bell, some of the guests he had on, was a show about the fact that consciousness is non-local.
And I thought, you know, this is just the kind of thing that most people don't even think about.
I mean, I personally believe it's both local and non-local.
I think probably Brian, our friend from Kansas City, would agree with that.
But, yeah, again, it's just an interesting world.
Well, it is, and I think your comments are all very appropriate.
Ryan, do you want to add further thoughts?
Well, I'll give you my two cents worth on the issues that he brought up.
First of all, whether man has been modified was something that he said, and I would agree that we have experienced a downward decline.
If you remember, in the original Garden of Eden, We have an Adam and Eve.
Again, Christ himself quoted from Genesis as if it was true.
He said, from Abel to Zechariah.
And we believe that at the beginning of creation, Adam had the DNA of the entire world built into him at that particular point in time.
Now, we believe that when the fall of mankind's sin, again, something that God foresaw being simultaneously present throughout earth, Thus began the winding down or second law of thermodynamics or entropy on this creation earth.
So we have early men, and the Bible states that some of the early men lived 635 years, like Methuselah and others, and they had nearly perfect use of their mind.
And then in time, we've had our languages...
Distorted for purposes because we rose too high and continued to contend with God.
So I believe that man has been in a decline rather than I believe man has been modified from the outside as the second law of thermodynamics have affected.
Our nature.
Now, as for dreams and visions, I believe that they are a built-in part of humanity that allow us to prepare for the future, for unforeseen events.
They're a defense mechanism.
Somehow, psychologically prepares our mind for events that are going to come in the future, and it happens while we sleep as part of the resting process.
But that's more of a, it's not something from the Bible, that's just something that I tend to believe.
Just one comment, Paul, on your observation about consciousness.
I've done a lot of research on the nature of mind and consciousness and mentality in relation to evolution.
I do not believe that consciousness is other than local, that it appears to me to be a function of organism, biological organism capable of consciousness.
Machines are capable of consciousness has to do with very specific issues of interpretation that are fascinating and raised by all the specters of, you know, machine domination and the like.
Brian in Kansas City, Brian, would you like to add some thoughts?
Well, when Brian was talking about all these, you know, Bibles being the same, he's not taking into effect the Mandela effect.
And I saw the Mandela effect right on your program when I told you about Hitler being at Clapper Bridge and explained what Clapper Bridge looked like.
And I, of course, had that program jacked with Beyond Belief.
And a lot of it was taken out.
And then I went and looked at Clapper Bridge a couple days later, and on the Internet, it looked completely different because they have the ability to get in the timelines and make everything line up and seem like what they're getting is the truth.
And another source that I can see where we're really jacked with is...
Remember I told you that originally, before we got our Gregorian or Shabbat Ludovic calendar on July 20th of 1666, we were under the Romulan calendar, which was 10 months.
December, desa, decimal, means 10. November means 9 in Latin.
October, octagon, means 8. They added two months.
They added January and February.
And January is after the god Janus, the two-headed god, the god with two faces.
And if you know anything about the protocols or you read the Rothschild 25-point plan, it's all in there.
We're going to tell them one thing, but when we get in power, we're going to do another.
And that's why you have so many two-faith politicians.
When we celebrate New Year's Eve, we fuel that.
They've hijacked in the Bible the old pagan religions, and they've put it on us.
February is the month they created.
It's a purification through violence, debauchery, whatever, okay?
So, Valentine's Day, when you've got red, you got Santa Claus red, that means there was blood used in that ritual, okay?
Valentine's Day, you've got red, so there was a lot of blood involved.
And so, you know, we're fueling all this garbage in our world.
April Ishtar.
Ishtar is from Venus.
Well, Lucifer created Venus, so you know it's going to be bad, okay?
And in reality, Christ is within.
You were created by him.
That's why your spine has 33 vertebrae.
The Neanderthals had 36. And everyone wants to ascend.
Well, you do it from within.
You don't wait for someone to come get you.
Okay?
You have, in your medulla, you create your Christ essence.
It's in your sacrum where it's actually...
Brian, Brian, Brian.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for all that.
Joaquin, I want you to have the opportunity for comments.
Joaquin.
Well, I believe in Christ consciousness, and I would say I'm a Christian, but I'm not really a studier of the Bible or going to church or even a really organized religion.
But I do definitely believe in God as the Savior and Creator.
And thank God that I do believe in that, because I know I wouldn't be here if I didn't.
And consciousness and the soul, I believe that they are eternal and connected to God.
The mind, the brain, these things are more physical material.
But I believe that consciousness and the soul are transcending the material.
So, as far as the technical stuff that's been put forth, I can't really comment because that's not really my area of expertise.
Paul, do you have some final thoughts you'd like to add, Paul?
Yeah, you know, it's just...
Here's a good thing about our dear friend Brian from Kansas City.
See, when he starts going off, there's a lot of stuff he said that you could relate to.
It's like tangible.
And then a lot of the other stuff is like, what?
You have no idea where he ends up going.
I mean, there's easier ways to...
I'll stop there.
Again, there's so much that everybody has said that...
It needs to be dissected.
I just have a problem when people say such things.
Well, you know, Jim.
I mean, it probably drives you crazy when you watch these football games and all these players are thanking Jesus because they won.
Well, I guess, what, you're supposed to assume Jesus didn't want the other team to win, so they lost?
Or, I mean, Joaquin just said that without God he wouldn't be here, and I want to go, well, why?
Why would you not be here?
What's going on there?
I mean, that gets into some kind of personal stuff.
So it's just everybody's all over the map.
When I used to call an RBN, I have a history of mocking Christians and Christianity, because so many of them are just not...
Unlike the people on this panel, a lot of the Christians that I've met are very simple, and in many cases, to be honest, kind of dumb.
But this has been interesting.
Well, thank you, Paul.
I appreciate your call, and Brian's as well.
Let's have a final thought from Brian Davidson and Joaquin.
Brian.
Okay, I do have a final thought, okay?
The first caller, Brian, brought up the Mandela Effect, and this allows me to answer one of the questions that's been put out, which is, what about all the different religions?
Let me point something out, okay?
There's a big difference between doctrine and theory.
The Mandela Effect is a theory.
It hasn't been proven, and doctrine is something that's clearly laid out, okay?
Now, All religions begin some place.
Do they start with a theory or do they start with a doctrine and can that doctrine be proved?
Us monotheists believe that there is a base, a fundamental, solid base at the bottom.
Now the problem over the years is it has become absolutely twisted and it's gone a whole bunch of different directions.
Why?
Because outside influences, such as paganism, such as fertility cults and others, have synchronized themselves with the fundamental doctrine over the years.
You've got Satan, you've got Lucifer, you've got Ishtar, you've got all sorts of influences that have impressed themselves on the doctrine.
However, I believe that if you can get back to the original doctrine, you can cut through all of mankind's...
Fabrications or theories or ideas that end up producing a number of different religions.
Brian, Joaquin, thank you so much.
I'll seek to arrange a discussion about CERN. Brian in Kansas City, Paul, thank you for your calls today.
Meanwhile, spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, and people you love and care about because we do not know how much time we have left and support.
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