The Raw Deal (15 January 2025) with Joachim Hagopian and Special Guest Henry Makow
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And I do appreciate you being around This is Jim Fetcher, your host of The Raw Deal, right here at Revolution Radio Studio B, this 15th day of January, 2025. right here at Revolution Radio Studio B, this 15th day Joined today by Joaquin Agobian in Bali.
The fearsome foursome is on suspension.
We've had a division in the House.
Victor Hugo was very nasty toward Brian Davidson, who took exception of his constant emphasis on the Jews as an oversimplification.
When I requested that Victor hold off on his attacks, he turned his fire on me.
Roughly roughs and Victor on one side and Joaquin and I the other.
I'm delighted to have this opportunity, by the way, for us to feature a very special guest today, Henry Macau, who will be talking about some extraordinary developments in relation to the Middle East, in case you missed the memo, because the mainstream is not covering what's going on.
We begin with some discussion of events in Russia.
And if I can pull up the stories, very interesting problem here.
Stop share.
What we have had is Ukraine attack Russia with a whole lot of drones and other missiles, and it's a rather extraordinary development.
Let me see what I can do to...
Pull it up.
Joaquin, anything you would like to add is going to be most welcome.
Well, I think Ukraine just keeps poking the bear.
I mean, you know, and of course they won't do anything without American approval.
So we know that they got the backing of the U.S. to do all this aggression inside Russia.
Which has been a longtime red line for Putin.
So they're pushing it for a reaction from Russia.
I mean, there's no other way to interpret it.
Yes.
Here we have the story.
Ukraine strikes Russia with missiles and drones and one of the largest air attacks.
Moscow, January 14th.
Russia's military Tuesday said it would retaliate against Ukraine after Kiev attacked Russian regions by firing U.S.-made ATAKAMS ballistic missiles.
Six U.K.-made storm-shadow cruise missiles in launching one of the biggest drone attacks to date.
After Ukraine first launched the ATAKS and the storm-shadow missiles into Russia last year, Responded on November 21st by launching a new intermediate-range hypersonic missile known as the Orishank at Hazeltree.
In Ukraine, where the Oreshnik missile has six pods, each of which have six warheads.
So it's a total of 36 warheads.
It's an astonishing weapon.
You would have thought that would be sobering to Ukraine.
Seemingly not.
Here's another report.
Ukraine launched its largest attack of war so far, Kiev claims.
Kiev struck.
Several targets deep inside Russia on Tuesday in what has ended its most massive attack of the war so far.
Ammunition depots and chemical plants were hit across several regions, some of which were hundreds of kilometers from the border, according to the general staff of Ukraine's armed forces.
Sources in Ukraine's SVU intelligence agency told the BBC the overnight attack was a painful blow to Russia's ability to wage war.
Russia said it had shot down U.S. supply to TACAM's missiles as well as U.K. Maidstorm's Shadow Cruise missiles and vowed to respond to the attack.
Joaquin, it seems to me this is a very dangerous game.
I have in the past, and I'm not alone, suggested Russia might well respond by designating in advance the locations in the UK where the storm shadow missiles are manufactured.
There are three separate locations, specifying a time at which they are going to be attacked so there could be an evacuation and then taking them out.
I think that would be very appropriate.
Your thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, we've been waiting for Russia to finally respond to their violation of so many red lines.
So, yeah, I mean, the West has it coming to them, you know, in this case, UK. We've seen this show before so many times, and that Oreshnik missile.
There's nothing the West has that can even come close to matching its power and force.
So, I don't know.
I mean, I don't want to see an escalation, you know, all out World War III, West versus East, but, you know, the West is just, you know, keep provoking and provoking.
I mean, something's going to give, and it's probably going to be very soon.
I know that Russia has gone after Ukraine's energy infrastructure.
They're just pulverizing.
I mean, very limited electricity now is in Ukraine.
But I don't know.
I mean, they just keep coming at Russia.
So I don't know what's going to happen, but it's not good.
I agree.
Responsible stagecraft suggests Russian sanctions are stone-cold leverage, let's use it.
The key to ending the war lies in lifting the punishing embargo, lifting the punishing embargo in phases.
In a co-authored paper from April 2024, Keith Galhawk, President-elect Trump, Ukraine envoy, said the U.S. and its ally would pledge to only fully lift sanctions against Russia.
and normalized relations after it signed a peace agreement acceptable to Ukraine.
Acceptable to Ukraine?
Ukraine has lost the war.
What is this?
Acceptable to the loser of a war?
With Trump's inauguration just around the corner, there's been increased talk of whether and how sanctioned against Russia might be removed.
However, saying that completely lifting a sanction against Russia after any Trump-brokered peace agreement Is saying that complex lifting of sanctions against Russia after any Trump-brokered peace agreement is as unrealistic as arguing that no sanctions should be removed?
Detailed thinking is needed on how further sanctioned relief for Russia might be phased in as part of a longer-term peace plan for Ukraine.
That should include realistic and achievable milestones for Russia compliance.
To avoid the trap of the failed Mintz II agreement, well, I think Russia is not going to fall for Mintz II again.
But here we have Paul Craig Roberts bemoaning the use of the sanctions, and I think he's got the better of the argument.
A folly and illegality of sanctions.
I'm being asked at the issuance by the...
Dreadful Biden regime of a new pension of sanctions against Russian oil exports are a gift to the incoming Trump presidency or a poison chalice.
My answer is neither.
The sanctions, if the incoming Trump regime leaves them in place, are a poison chalice for the American consumer and for America's European allies or puppets.
If the sanctions succeed, Reducing the world's supply of oil in the market will drive up prices.
Demand for oil is inelastic with respect to price.
A higher price of oil will increase Russian oil revenues and hurt everyone else.
In Germany, industry is already leaving to locating countries with less costly energy.
This will leave Germans unemployed.
American commute times I mean that higher energy prices cut into discretionary income and consumer spending, reducing the outlook for growth and profits.
For Russia, it means higher oil revenues.
If I were in charge in Russia, I would not sell energy to enemies conducting war against Russia.
Russia can finance its domestic developments without foreign exchange.
Michael Hudson and I have explained this many times.
We are amazed that Putin tolerates the incompetence or worse of his central bank director.
His 21% interest rates are worse threat to Russia than NATO, American sanctions, and the remnants of the Ukrainian army combined.
I think he makes very telling points, Joaquin.
Your thoughts?
Have sanctions worked at all?
No.
They have only hurt the West.
To me, it's like the controllers of the Western puppets are insisting that the Western puppets enact a policy that we know, the whole world knows that sanctions haven't worked on Russia, but they keep doing it.
And it only hurts the West more.
So my conclusion is that the money-changing controllers of the City of London Basically, the puppets to fall on the sword and go down because they're the losers in all this.
And especially, you know, Ukraine has stopped as of January 1st through the pipelines.
They've stopped supplying from Russia.
Through Ukraine to Europe.
So they're hurting their own allies that have been giving them all these weapons to fight their war.
So they're even turning on their allies now.
And it's a no-win for the West or Ukraine.
And, you know, it's just forcing World War III. That's all how I see it.
And, of course, if there is a World War III short of nuclear or major scalar damage, The West is going to lose.
They don't have the military.
They don't have the weapons.
They don't have the fighting capability of the veteran force of Russia, joined by Eastern allies.
What's your take on laser weapons?
Does the U.S. have an advantage with lasers or directed energy weapons that could somehow function in its defense or against Russia?
This is, to me, a relatively unexplored area of inquiry.
It is, and it's unexplored as far as in actual wartime combat conditions as well.
There have been very limited use of scalar weaponry.
And obviously, we see with L.A. fires that they're being used there and a number of other places, calling it natural acts of God, of course.
So, yeah, it could resort to that, which, you know, they don't have the nuclear fallout, obviously, but they are very powerful and can take out many lives.
And, of course, you know, it's not like Russia doesn't have it.
They got those weapons as well, and probably even a higher grade.
You know, any way you look at it, the West is a loser, and it's all being done on purpose.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree.
And, of course, the Russians have very sophisticated anti-electronic warfare capabilities.
The Donald Cook experience in the Black Sea was phenomenal, where a Russian bomber was approaching, and all the systems on the ship were nullified.
They all went blank.
They were all inoperable.
The Donald Cook was a sitting doc.
And many sailors, once they returned to the United States, got out of the Navy as fast as they could because they couldn't see there was no match here, no contest.
I don't get why we're not hearing more about that, Joaquin, because it seemed to me the American Navy is antiquated.
It no longer can fulfill a major role, and yet there's talk about...
Increasing the number of ships to hundreds and hundreds, it's just staggering, given the era of drone warfare and cruise missiles, which it seems to me makes all those ships obsolete and antiquated.
Yeah, exactly.
We're still living in the last century as far as our warfare technologies goes.
We're sitting ducks, the Navy, the subs, all of them, destroyers.
Aircraft carriers sitting ducks.
And yes, Russia has the most advanced, basically electronic, nullifying weaponry than any other country on Earth.
And so we're going up against that, too.
Every way you look at it, the West is the loser, you know?
So, I mean, it's a no-win.
I mean, we're...
Unfortunately, the population of the West is going to be decimated by the horrific actions of these order followers that follow the city of London that want to destroy the Western middle class so they can have absolute power and control over an enslaved world population still left.
Now, many of us, of course, have been very, very concerned that Trump is so pro-Israel that he was going to become a BB stooge.
Nevertheless, we have a Trump post now where Jeffrey Sachs is calling out Netanyahu as a deep, dark son of a bitch who's gotten us into endless wars.
I mean, this is kind of astonishing.
Listen to this from Truth Social.
...for the war in Syria, and you may actually hear from grown-up reporters who are lying through their teeth or ignorant beyond imagining.
Oh, the war in Syria, yes, Russia intervened in Syria.
Well, do you know that Obama tasks the CIA to overthrow the Syrian government, starting four years before Russia intervened?
What kind of nonsense is that?
And how many times did the New York Times report on Operation Timber Sycamore, which was the presidential order to the CIA to overthrow Bashar al-Assad?
Three times in ten years.
This is not democracy.
This is a game, and it's a game of narrative.
Why did the U.S. invade Iraq in 2003?
Well, first of all, it was completely phony pretenses.
It wasn't, oh, we were so wrong, they didn't have weapons of mass destruction.
They actually did focus groups in the fall of 2002 to find out what would sell that war to the American people.
Abe Scholz, if you want to know the name of the PR genius.
They did focus groups on the war.
They wanted the war all the time.
They had to figure out how to sell the war to the American people, how to scare the shit out of the American people.
It was a phony war.
Where did that war come from?
You know what?
It's quite surprising.
That war came from Netanyahu, actually.
You know that?
It's weird.
And the way it is, is that Netanyahu had, from 1995 onward, the theory...
That the only way we're going to get rid of Hamas and Hezbollah is by toppling the governments that support them.
That's Iraq, Syria, and Iran.
And the guy's nothing if not obsessive.
And he's still trying to get us to fight Iran this day, this week.
He's a deep, dark son of a bitch, sorry to tell you.
Because he's gotten us into endless wars, and because of the power of all of this in the U.S. politics, He's gotten his way.
But that war was totally phony.
So what is this democracy versus dictatorship?
Come on.
These are not even sensible terms.
Notice that's on Truth Social.
Donald Trump posted that.
What do you make of it, Joaquin?
That's just a stunning alteration in attitude, it would seem.
Your thoughts?
Well, it gives us a little bit of hope that, you know, he's asserting himself prior to even stepping into the White House.
So, I mean, that's good.
He's sending that signal.
You know, it's been said that by, and of course he sent this one guy over there, a businessman, to actually arrange some kind of ceasefire deal.
That the one guy that went there says he actually got Netanyahu and agreed to, but it hasn't been corroborated by any other sources.
So we really are just listening to this one guy kind of sounding off like he's Mr. King Tut for Trump.
But anyway, yeah, I mean, if there's a ceasefire and if he's putting Netanyahu finally in his place and, you know, rubbing his nose in it with the true social of Jeffrey Sachs, that's all good in my eyes.
You know, he's a chessboard player himself.
And so, yeah, I think this is what he does as a tough businessman to kind of...
Put the chips on the table before he starts negotiating.
That's kind of how I read it.
I've also come across that in return for Netanyahu kind of going along with it, at least preliminarily being reported by one person, it also gives chips that negotiating chips for Netanyahu to use at a later time.
So we'll see how it unfolds.
Well, here's a story that has astonished me from Information Liberation.
Trump forced Netanyahu to accept a Gaza plan he repeatedly rejected, and it's coming from the Israeli media.
Let's go through this.
President-elect Donald Trump reportedly forced Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu to accept a peace deal.
That'll end the Jewish state's war on Gaza and leave Hamas in power.
From Harats, Trump's Mideast envoy forced Netanyahu to accept the Gaza plan he repeatedly rejected.
Last Friday evening, Stephen Whitcoff, U.S. resident-elect Donald Trump's Middle East envoy, called from Qatar to tell Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's aide that he would be coming to Israel the following afternoon.
The aide politely explained that it was in the middle of the Sabbath, but that the prime minister would gladly meet him Saturday night.
Witkoff's blunt reaction took them by surprise.
He explained to them in salty English that Shabbat was of no interest to him.
His message was loud and clear.
Thus, in an unusual departure from usual practice, the prime minister showed up at his office for an official meeting with Witkoff.
You then return to Qatar to seal the deal.
A week before Trump's inauguration, Jerusalem already sees a change in the rules of the game that has broken the deadlock in hostage negotiations.
Unusually, the outgoing Biden admin has let Whitcoff lead the process on the ground that any obligation the United States undertakes will be incumbent on Trump, not Biden.
Whitcoff.
He's a Jewish real estate investor and developer who is close to Trump.
He doesn't have the background of the kind of people who usually fill diplomatic bowls.
Witkow isn't a diplomat.
He doesn't talk like a diplomat.
He has no interest in diplomatic manners and diplomatic protocols as a senior Israeli diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity.
He's a businessman who wants to reach a deal quickly and charges ahead.
Unusually aggressively.
In fact, with Gavis forced Israel to accept a plan that Netanyahu had repeatedly rejected over the past half year.
Hamas has not budged from its position that the hostage's freedom must be conditioned on the release of Palestinian prisoners, the easy part, and a complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza the heart.
That Yahoo rejected this condition, and thus was born the partial deal proposed by Egypt.
I assume last week that Trump had shared that video of Jeffrey Sachs calling that Yahoo a deep, dark son of a bitch inadvertently.
But it's looking like it was actually a shot across the bow.
One might even call it 4-D chess.
For real this time.
The Shalal Ben-Efran tweets.
Israel has capitulated on several factors allowing for a deal to be reached.
Israel has agreed to withdraw fully from Gaza, leaving no troops or security zone.
That includes a full withdrawal from the Philadelphia corridor.
It has agreed to allow Hamas to rule Gaza.
That is not in the agreement, but there's also no mechanism to remove Hamas.
Israel has agreed not to exile, relieve prisoners, but rather let them into Gaza again.
Israel has waived its demand for a list of live hostages.
It has agreed to allow residents to return to northern Gaza with only symbolic security measures.
Israel agreed to accept dead bodies in the first stage.
All these were red lines for Israel at one point.
It's remarkable that all of them are being waived.
The victory for Hamas is remarkable.
The reason this happened is clear.
Despite incredible victories on the battlefield, Israel has not offered a political program to replace Hamas or move to remove them from Gaza as a governing force.
It has failed to translate IDF gains into political ones.
That has, in essence, nullified all of its military achievements.
Israel's far right is livid.
Jewish supremacist finance minister Menzel Smoltrich, an explicit supporter of Palestinian genocide who is part of Netanyahu's coalition, called the deal a catastrophe for Israel's national security.
We will not be part of a surrender deal that would include releasing terrorists, stopping the war, and dissolving the achievements that were bought with such blood in abandoning many hostages, he said on Acts.
This is the time to continue with all our might, to occupy and cleanse the entire Strip, to finally take control of humanitarian aid from Hamas, and open the gates of hell on Gaza.
Until Amos surrenders completely and all the hostages are returned.
There's a bit more here about the Israeli right wing melting down at the prospect of Trump pressuring Israel to accept a ceasefire.
This is our peer editor, grandson of the infamous rabbi, Mary Neff.
And this is Emily Merritt.
We'll return and be joined by Henry MacKell.
Thank you.
We'll be right back.
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Well, it's a great honor for Joaquin and me to welcome Henry Macau here to the show today.
Henry has been a brilliant critic of Israeli policies in spite of the fact he himself is Jewish.
He does not buy the bullshit.
Henry, we're looking at this report in Haaretz, no less, that Trump's Mideast envoy forced Netanyahu to accept a Gaza plan he repeatedly rejected.
Israeli sources say the involvement of the incoming U.S. admin, led by Trump's aggressive Middle East envoy, Steve Witkoff, revived Hassi talk with Hamas.
Meanwhile, his propaganda machine claimed Trump has left him no choice.
What happens inside his coalition will decide whether the prime minister approves the deal.
There's quite a bit of the story of what happened here.
Which we can also, you know, want to pursue and get your take upon.
But it's fascinating because according to the story, Israel has agreed to withdraw fully from Gaza, leaving no troops or security zone, including a full withdrawal from the Philadelphia corridor.
Agreed to allow Hamas to rule Gaza.
It's not in the agreement, but there's no mechanism to remove Hamas.
Israel has agreed not to exile, release prisoners, but rather let them into Gaza again.
Israel has waived its demand for a list of live hostages.
Agreed to allow residents to return to northern Gaza with only symbolic security measures.
Israel agreed to accept dead bodies in the first stage.
All these were red lines for Israel at one point.
It's remarkable.
All of them are being waived.
The victory for Hamas is remarkable.
The reason this has happened is clear.
Despite incredible victories on the battlefield, Israel has not offered a political program to replace Hamas or move to remove them from Gaza as a governing force.
It has failed to translate.
IDF gains into political ones that has, in essence, nullified all of its military achievements.
Now, I'm just delighted to have you here and eager to have your assessment of what all this means, Henry.
What has happened?
Well, I'd be delighted if this was the beginning of some kind of peace process.
But in the picture at the top of that article, and frankly, I didn't realize that they had given up across so many of their red lines.
But anyway, in that article that you're citing, there's a picture at the top of Trump making the downward prayer Masonic Satanic hand sign.
In that picture where he's sitting beside Netanyahu, both Netanyahu and Trump are members of Chabad, which is a racist, genocidal Jewish cult which works with the Rothschilds and pretty well controls the world.
And Trump, Netanyahu, and Putin are all members of this cult.
I'm not optimistic because I'd like to be wrong, but my thesis is that Chabad and organized Jewry have been using wars for over a century to undermine Western civilization, and I don't think they have changed.
But this gesture, you know, in my eyes, and I'm hoping...
I'm hoping I'm wrong, but this gesture just gives people hope that Trump will actually be able to bring peace to the Middle East, but I don't think that's his intention at all.
It makes Netanyahu and Trump look like they're actually rational, which I don't believe.
So I hope I'm wrong, but...
I'm not yet convinced that this represents a genuine change of course, but I certainly hope it is.
It does.
Fascinating.
Joaquin has been very keen to have the opportunity to converse with you, Henry.
I'm just delighted to bring the two of you together, Joaquin.
Yeah, it's real good to meet you, Henry.
I've been following your work forever.
Thank you.
I'm a big fan of yours as well.
Alright, thank you.
Yeah, all you have to do is look at the history of the United States and Israel.
When they tentatively say they're going to agree to something, they don't.
That's how the bottom line usually sorts out in the end.
And I mean, over and over it's happened where Israel has already agreed with a peace proposal or ceasefire, and then they renege on it.
Yeah, seeing is believing.
I really, you look at these two, you know, United States and Israel, and you can't bet on them for being true to their word.
You just can't because that's their history.
So seeing is believing.
I hope it is right and true, but I doubt it.
I doubt it.
There's going to be all kinds of complications.
Also, you know, Trump has lined up just nonstop Zionists in his cabinet around him.
And they're all going for Iran.
So I don't see any kind of resolution in the Middle East conflict.
Just because this one guy that goes there and he's talking big like he's already settled the deal here.
No, I don't see it.
Seeing is believing.
We do hope it happens.
I doubt it.
But this deal hasn't even gone through yet, has it?
I mean, it hasn't been confirmed.
It's been outlined.
But I don't get the impression that it's been confirmed yet.
Meanwhile, you know, it's a smoke screen behind which Israel is expanding into Syria.
I mean, greater Israel is their agenda.
But greater Israel isn't between the Nile and the Euphrates.
Greater Israel is the whole world.
And I don't think they're going to give up that plan.
And, you know, it's not all that unrealistic.
I mean, the people of Iran are certainly not happy under the Khomeini cult regime.
I mean, they're all Freemasons.
And my thesis is that throughout the Throughout modern history, Freemasons have instigated these wars in order to bring down Western civilization.
And I have three Illuminati books showing that Freemasons on both sides have started the World Wars, World War I, World War II, and they're starting World War III. And these World Wars are charades.
They're hoaxes from which they profit.
And from which everyone else loses.
And I'm coming out with Illuminati 4, my fourth collection of articles from my website in about a month.
And the thesis is, and that is the thesis, that Chabad slash Rothschild banking cartel pretty well controls both Zionism and communism.
And they're initiating their Third World War, which is going to be between Zionism and Communism.
They're two branches.
The Zionist branch is NATO and the West and Ukraine and Argentina.
And the Communist branch is Putin, the BRICS, and generally, who else is on that side?
Russia, of course, and Iran.
China and Iran.
The Third World War coming up between those two branches of organized Jewry.
That's my thesis.
I hope I'm wrong.
I'd love to be 100% wrong.
I'd love to be laughed out of the room.
Henry, just a military observation.
Russia seems so far superior to the West that it seems futile.
Even if you're talking about two branches of Zionism for the West to dispute Russia militarily, I just don't see how there's any serious prospect of prevailing.
The superiority of the Russian weapons, I mean, you got the Ereshnik 36 warheads, hypersonic, cannot be stopped.
I mean, this is just ridiculous, it seemed to me, from a military point of view.
Your thought?
Well, my impression is that this is going to be like a permanent state of war.
I don't see it as nuclear bombs going off in Washington and Moscow.
I see it as basically a continuation of what we've seen in Ukraine, just a war of attrition where the Gentiles get murdered.
That's the Chabad goal, to murder the Gentiles.
And they're doing a great job in Ukraine.
And also, I think the ultimate agenda is for the West to be destroyed and brought down.
And the reason they're bringing Trump back in is so that they can have a good fight.
Because under Biden, you're right, the West didn't have a chance.
So my whole belief is the only reason Trump got back in was so that the West could put up a fight in this Third World War.
Joaquin?
Yeah, that's my take, too.
I think World War III is inevitable.
They've been planning it for over a century and a half.
That is the Freemasons and the other secret societies involved.
It's going to happen, and the West will lose.
The military is not capable of beating Russia, and especially if Iran and China are involved, which we know they will be.
They won't stand a chance.
And I agree that I don't think it will probably go nuclear, but there will be severe loss of life, particularly on the Western side.
I don't see how I can avoid going nuclear, frankly.
I mean, you got Zelensky going all out.
If he got his hands on a single nuke, he would use it on Moscow outright without any hesitation.
I just don't see odds to be circumvented.
Henry seems to me to be suggesting kind of a lower intensity conflict, Joaquin.
You're talking about open kinetic warfare.
I'm not quite sure that's Henry's vision.
Henry, would you elaborate at greater length?
Well, you know, once the nuclear weapons start flying, We're all doomed.
I just don't see...
Well, you never know.
You never know, because the other factor we have to bring in is Pike's letter, which he does, in fact, suggest...
That the Civil War will be a social catastrophe.
Plus, we have the dialogue between Netanyahu and Schneerson, and we're back in 1991, I think, where Schneerson says, like, what are you doing to bring back the Messiah?
You know we need a social catastrophe.
We need a nuclear war.
What are you doing?
And he said, I'm doing, I'm doing.
You know, that famous dialogue.
So, yeah, you know, you might be right, Jim.
It might go nuclear.
It might be.
It might.
It's just, you know, obviously it's a vision that's too horrible to contemplate.
Well, the West doesn't have the conventional capacity to defeat anybody.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
I even think Iran can defeat Israel absent nukes and even with nukes.
I still think Iran has a capacity to wipe Israel off the map.
Iran is like 77 times the size of Israel.
Iran can sustain hits Israel can't absorb whatsoever.
And when you focus Iranian firepower, they're alluding to weapons the West is unaware of as yet.
And I believe them, they have them, that they can wipe Israel off the map.
And I'm not so sure it wouldn't be a great idea to do it in any case.
They're entitled to do it legally, morally, politically.
I think if Iran were to wipe Israel off the map, the world would be the sigh of relief, and tensions for the potential of World War III would evaporate.
Am I wrong?
I think you're operating under sort of an outdated paradigm, Jim, because Iran and Israel are both controlled by Freemasonry,
so I think what we've got happening now is some kind of a charade which is being orchestrated by some invisible power, probably I think Iran would have struck
back by now, especially with Trump coming in.
This is the time to do it.
And the fact that it hasn't indicates to me that this whole thing is orchestrated.
So we've got to figure out...
I'm just assuming that they do have an agenda.
I'm just not quite sure what it is.
But I don't see Iran really behaving like it is aggressively intent on defeating Israel.
And I just put up another article today by one of my contributors, Patrick O'Connell, I mean, Patrick O'Carroll, you know, who basically says Iran is run by Freemasons and it's false opposition.
So what we've got is, you know, Hitler was false opposition.
What we've got are these phony, phony wars between two branches of Freemasonry.
In order to kill civilians and destroy Western civilization.
That's my paradigm.
Mine as well.
Yeah, we have secret societies in the Freemasons.
They make deals.
And you're right.
The leaders of all these countries are Freemasons.
They're all related in that way.
And so they work together.
And, you know, I've always said that more than likely, the Eastern powers are the controlled opposition to the West.
So it's all kind of a dance going on here.
And the losers, of course, is the civilian populations that are going to be decimated by World War III, especially, obviously, the Western population, because they will lose.
Yeah.
I want to just draw your attention to one salient fact, and that is that on October 7, 2024, Trump and some of his closest associates in Chabad commemorated the Hamas attack on Israel, which of course was...
A false flag orchestrated attack.
They commemorated it at the grave of Rabbi Menaheim Schneerson.
I mean, that is a clear signal that they are Habat.
And that attack, the Hamas attack, signaled the beginning of World War III. Well, except for the Ukraine part.
It signaled an intensification of World War III. The fact that Trump would acknowledge his Chabad membership on the anniversary of that attack, to me, is very telling.
And no one wants to admit that Chabad is a racist, genocidal cult that controls the world and that both Putin and Trump...
And Netanyahu are all members of Chabad.
And so we're essentially screwed.
You know, of course, I've heard these arguments before, the identification of them as Lubavitchers, but I've never been able to fathom what that...
It entails killing all the Christians.
It entails killing everyone who's opposed to the New World Order, including you and me.
That's their ultimate objective.
It's stated.
It's a stated objective.
And when my book comes out in roughly a month, it's just full of...
Of articles which support this point of view, including an article which has been on my site for five years by a Chabad defector who basically says they're out to kill all people who don't conform.
I mean, the essential understanding that people cannot seem to understand is that organized Jewry thinks that everybody else is a squatter on their planet.
That is...
That is the harsh reality.
They don't think we have a place, and that includes assimilated Jews like me.
In other words, anyone who doesn't accept Lucifer, in their view, should die.
I mean, this is basically Lucifer versus God, and they basically think it's their divine mission to eliminate...
Anybody who doesn't accept Lucifer, and especially people who accept Christ.
I mean, I don't understand how any Christian could be a Zionist when organized Jewry is responsible for the crucifixion of Christ.
And we know that because they're crucifying Christ every single day.
They're doing it today.
They're doing it tomorrow.
You know, that's what they're all about.
They hate Christ.
And what does Christ represent?
He represents the idea that all human beings have a spark of divinity in them, and they're all equal in the eyes of God.
Well, this is anathema for organized Jewry, who believe that only so-called Jews, which they define as lovers of Lucifer, I mean,
I mean, these are the harsh realities that we cannot accept because they're too horrible, especially since we're the ones that are marked for elimination.
Well, your points about Christian Zionism were impeccable.
When Rabbi Schneerson was approached in the suggestion that he was the Mashiach, the Jewish God returned, he said, no, he can't be because there are still Christians alive on the face of earth.
And the Mashiach cannot return until every Christian is dead.
So, Henry, what is there not to get?
I mean, you know, where are the Christian Zionists eager to put their heads in the guillotine?
I mean, it's just insane.
Theologically, it's utterly irresponsible.
It's incoherent.
It's absurd.
I don't get it.
The second coming of Christ is what they think will happen once they go along with the Jews, basically, the Zionists.
But Schneer said it was regarded as, you know, the nearest thing, the deity on earth.
Said he can't be the Meshiac because that would require all the Christians to be dead.
What is there not to get about that, all the Christians to be dead?
That includes you, Mike Huckabee.
That includes you, every Christian Zionist out there.
Dead.
D-E-A-D. Henry, I'm baffled.
Well, you know, the problem is that...
People have lost their moral compass, the Christian Zionists especially, but people in general have lost their moral compass because they've essentially been degraded morally and spiritually by this onslaught of basically pornography and greed, which has taken over the West.
The idea that the West could be complicit in the abomination that has taken place in Gaza, this is something that will truly go down in infamy.
Israel will never outlive this crime.
And the fact that the whole of NATO and the West are complicit, in moral terms, means to me that they're slated for destruction.
Because I do a kind of, you know, I'm the inventor of the game scruples.
I do a kind of moral arithmetic.
I mean, essentially, the West is complicit in mass murder and genocide.
I mean, this is inexcusable.
And this includes even some leaders who are, you know, who are fairly willing to defend.
You know, defend their national freedom, because that's what the Zionist thing is.
It's basically right versus left.
So the whole Zionist team defends nationalism and defends family values.
But that's just so they can have a good war.
But, yeah.
Anyway.
I don't know what's going to happen, but it sure is damn interesting.
On your take, then, Trump is just a Bartiman Bailey of politics, the all-time greatest con man in America has ever seen on the political stage.
Am I right?
That's so, of course.
And, I mean, it's not even like they're hiding it.
I mean, there's pictures of him with Jeffrey Epstein.
There's pictures of him with...
With Roy Cohn, who was basically an earlier version of Jeffrey Epstein.
They're basically both Mossad, CIA, blackmail artists.
And, you know, Trump is a New York City Jewish developer.
I mean...
Delighted to have you back out here.
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Is that case still plaguing you?
Can you hear me, Jim?
Yeah, but we're still live.
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With a fearsome foursome on hiatus, Joaquin and I are delighted to have Henry Macau as our guest today, and we're addressing the role of the big players.
Henry's suggesting Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, and Benjamin Netanyahu are all equally Chad Lubavitchers, which is one of the most extreme, perhaps the most extreme version of...
Talmudic Judaism that maintains that Jews are the superior race, that the other races only exist to serve the Jew, and that the Jewish God, the Meshiach, can only return when all Christians are dead.
That's a pretty depressing scenario, Henry, I gotta tell ya!
I feel I've been so naive to have been so slow to even put the pieces together.
Give us your further thoughts.
Well, you're not the only one.
I mean, it's only sort of, I mean, we're dealing with a case of cognitive dissonance where, on the one hand, we're being told that, you know, that everything is rational and sane.
And on the other hand, we're seeing all kinds of contradictions.
I want to add that Javier Mile, the president of Argentina, he's a member of Chabad too.
And not only is he visited the gravesite of Schneerson, and not only is he a member of Chabad, he's a relative of Netanyahu.
Mile, Netanyahu's original name is Mile Kalski.
They're relatives.
And so, yeah, like it just dawned on me, like people like Adam Green have been trying to warn like people like Adam Green have been trying to warn us, but we just, you see, it's cognitive dissidence.
We're constantly being told by the Bloomberg and New York Times and the Zionist media.
Zionist slash communist media.
It's all run by organized Jewry.
That everything is reasonable and the leaders of the West and the East are trying to find a peace solution.
And so we do have a cognitive dissonance problem.
Similar like what's happening in L.A. now.
It's cognitive dissonance.
It doesn't make sense that they would deliberately burn down the houses of people who, you know, these celebrities are like, are gods.
And they basically burn down their houses?
It doesn't make sense.
You know, it seems, these fires don't seem natural.
But it doesn't make sense unless you understand that they have a very extreme agenda, which is essentially to enslave and exterminate us.
What's your take on the LA Fire, Joaquim and Jim?
I think we're both in agreement that these are directed energy weapons.
It's all deliberately contrived.
It's a land grab.
They're wanting to set up for smart L.A. cities, 15-minute cities, and for the 2028 Olympics in L.A. It just happens to be the same location they were planning all this to be set up.
And, Henry, there's nothing natural about it.
These aren't wildfires.
These are deliberately like Lahaina.
Paradise, California, and elsewhere.
It's a massive display of power.
The residents are never going to be allowed to return.
They're going to use eminent domain.
They're going to seize it all to exploit for the benefit of the government and prop up Gavin Newsom to run for president in 2028. Joaquin.
Also, I think it's a setup between the Republicans and the Democrats.
You know, the Marxists versus the fascists, if you want to call them that.
And right now, it's like, oh, Democrats, blue states, bad, bad, bad.
And, you know, the conservatives, Trump, they're good now.
You know, they play this off back and forth, back and forth.
In the meantime, this whole time, the controllers Have the little puppet strings pulling all their strings and telling them what to do.
They're all puppet order followers.
So, you know, it really doesn't matter as far as who's in there because it never changes as far as the power structure that dictates, plans these events way in advance, and then executes them.
So, yeah, it's the same old story.
I mean, you can look at the fires, you can look at the wars, you can look at the pedophilia rings around the world.
They're all very much related by the same controllers who are basically Luciferian.
You know, I had a thought that you reminded me that what does Gaza and Pacific Palisades have in common?
Beachfront property.
Valuable beachfront property.
It's almost like it's the same agenda.
It is.
You know?
Oh, yeah.
Massive land grab to be exploited by the wealthy and the elite to the detriment of the indigenous population who've resided there forever.
And now you have BlackRock buying up huge chunks of Ukraine, Henry.
This is just staggering in my opinion, and very bad and omen, dreadful for the future of the food supply for humanity.
And you know, as Kissinger long ago observed, if you want to control the government, control the finances, if you want to control the population, control the food, they've taken it to heart.
Good point.
I mean, what do you make of the slowness with which I mean, if this was anything but a charade, first of all, Lavrov wouldn't refer to the West as Anglo-Saxons.
I mean, it's obviously a charade.
Anglo-Saxons don't have any role in the West other than as gophers and minions.
But also, If Putin was serious, he would have invaded Ukraine long ago, but instead it seems to be a slow war of attrition that's just killing Gentiles on both sides.
And I have a quotation on my site where Schneerson says, you know, the slabs are a very recalcitrant people.
The only way to kill them is to have them fight each other.
So we're going to have Russia fight Ukraine.
He said that in 1995. And 30 years later, they're doing it.
And you know that whole thing with the Wagner Group?
You know, the Wagner Group was taking things to heart.
They were actually effective, so they had to be undermined.
Yeah, that's all very troubling, the whole Wagner thing.
You mentioned Albert Pike and his prophecies.
This has always baffled me.
How do we make sense of this guy way back when predicting these world wars?
How is that even possible?
I mean, you've got developments in science, technology, politics.
How could he anticipate?
I have had a great deal of trouble absorbing.
Who this figure is and what he's supposed to represent and how he figures into the greater calculus of world events.
Henry, can you assist me with this?
Only to say that this is the way they operate.
They script these things in advance.
They model them.
And then they carry them out.
And it's almost like these prophecies are a form of modeling and scripting.
You know, people have complained that Pike used terms like Nazism, which shouldn't have been known in 1870, but I had a reader write in and say that actually these terms were used back then.
And they're part of what he called a Volkish movement in Germany.
And anyway, you know, honestly, I don't have any deep insight into Pike.
But I do believe that that's the agenda, three world wars, because it's coming true.
It's coming true.
And as for the Jewish conspiracy, it's come true.
I mean, people who don't believe in the Masonic Jewish conspiracy are just indifferent to what's going on in the world.
Just open your eyes.
The proof of the Masonic Jewish conspiracy is that it's 90% Fulfilled.
It's almost done.
You know, stick a fork in it.
Yeah, I agree.
We're getting closer to the end, it looks like.
What's your take on Pike and all this?
I mean, I just say, I have trouble making him nails.
We know that the military is full of secret society guys, especially Freemasons.
And so he was a Confederate general.
And basically he made the deals with, you know, other top Freemasons.
And he wrote that letter that's famous in 1872 to Mazzini, who was the top Freemason of Italy.
And, yeah, it is pretty remarkable that he actually delineated the opponents in every single of the three world wars, you know, with the third one being the Zionist versus Islam.
And, you know, you do a little history on Zionism, and that got started around the same time, actually, as when he wrote that, naming the Zionists.
So, I mean...
Maybe these guys are actually the birthers of Zionism.
And it just goes to show that they make these plans and plot them out meticulously way in advance.
And all these fires, all of this, it's all been pre-planned.
They don't do anything without it being pre-planned meticulously.
And doesn't it have to be announced in advance to shift responsibility?
So having announced their plan, if the public, knowing thereof, which of course had a huge leap, because they can announce these plans and no one believe it, no one know it, no one be aware of it, but they feel that then the responsibility for failing to deal with it belongs to the public.
Whom they're exploiting, killing, savaging rather than themselves.
I mean, it's bizarre.
Yeah, that's their bizarre way of getting out of responsibility for whatever harm and evil that they commit, you know?
Well, we told you so through the Simpson cartoon it was shown, you know?
Right.
You know, the predictive programming.
You know, everything we see has been predictably programmed in the past.
Or tarot cards, for that matter.
I mean, crazy.
Henry, what are your thoughts about the predictive programming aspects in all this?
I mean, it does seem to be a part of the agenda, their modus operandi.
It seems to have a paralyzing effect on the public.
We're, like, caught as, like, deer in the headlights.
I don't know what forms of resistance are going to take place, but, you know, when you burn down the houses of these Hollywood celebrities, I mean, these people are, you know, basically are gods, these celebrities.
And when you burn down their houses, I think these people have influence and money, and I don't think they're going to take this lying down.
You know, I think there's going to be repercussions.
I think I'd be surprised if California didn't turn red pretty fast.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Karen Bass and Musum lose their office.
Yes, yes, yes.
Something you said way back when, I'd like to return to the idea of the New World Order being ruled from Jerusalem.
That's not just a greater Israel, it's ruling the world.
The role of Putin here.
I mean, you know, Russia has vast resources.
He inadvisedly observed their natural resources were worth $88 trillion.
Well, there's a lot who covet, who want to take that, who want to steal it in the West.
And I don't see Putin turning over Russia for exploitation, but I sure see a lot of vultures out there who'd like for that to happen.
Your thoughts?
Well, you know, there's a kind of contradiction between this idea of Zionism ruling the world from Jerusalem and what Pike said, which was Israel will be destroyed.
I mean, there's a contradiction there.
And frankly, I think the Israel will be destroyed is more likely to happen.
And in the near term, in the near future, that would be my surmise.
Yeah, I think they're going to go down.
I mean, they're surrounded by, especially with Iran and Russia, they're going down.
Kissinger himself, way back in 2012, actually predicted that within 10 years it's going to be gone.
Okay, he was off by a couple years.
Yes.
What do you make of Hitler's...
Kissinger's other comment, which was, any people that were hated and ostracized for 2,000 years must be doing something wrong.
What, 109 different countries?
I mean, yes.
There's a history there that is rather telling that I think we cannot ignore.
I think it appears in historical retrospect, creating a Jewish state was a colossal historical blunder, and we've been paying for it ever since, Joachim.
Exactly.
You know, it's been the hotbed war place for as long as Israel's been around, you know?
I mean, they were killing off Muslims back in...
By the Jewish terrorists back in 1946 and 47. And it never really has changed.
They've been terrorists all along.
But they call the Muslims the terrorists.
You know, it's all in semantics.
And, you know, I mean, the truth is the truth, though, you know.
And they have been the aggressor throughout their whole time in history in the Middle East.
And they've never paid a consequence for all their, basically, Criminal violations of all international law, but they're immune.
They're the chosen people.
There's another clue in that Bill Cooper, there's a video on YouTube where Bill Cooper says Israel was established in order to start World War III. And that's happening.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, if it doesn't break out.
How do you see Ukraine and Israel related, Henry?
I mean, Zelensky has spoken openly about Ukraine being the new Israel.
Most of the occupants of modern-day Israel are Kazarians.
They come from the region of modern-day Ukraine.
They have no genetic ties to the, you know, Semitic people.
Surrounding the, you know, tribe of Judah, they have no connection whatsoever.
In fact, the Palestinians, as we all know, are actual real bona fide Semites.
So Israel turns out to be the greatest practitioner of anti-Semitism in the world today.
Maybe the world's ever known.
But these subtleties seem to be lost on the public, which have no clue at all. - Well, on 9/11, when they stopped the white vans when they stopped the white vans were full of Mossad operatives and they said, "Oh, we're your friends, we're your friends." Americans are just so stupid.
You know, just believe what you're told, not what you see with your eyes.
Don't believe your lying eyes.
Just believe what you're told.
Yes.
And they've got the mass media, the legacy media, the TV networks, New York Times, Washington Post, etc., basically lying to people.
So people are suffering from cognitive dissonance.
They see one thing and they are told a different thing.
And then they're given Trump, they're given some kind of false hope.
Well, you know, Trump, obvious con man.
You know, he's been a con man since practically the day he was born.
You know, he's probably a pedophile.
I mean, he's been accused of raping 13-year-olds, which is how the Zionists controlled their puppets.
You know, I've got a quotation in my book.
It says, You know, if the Gentiles will believe what we tell them, they're obviously too stupid to be self-governing, and they deserve to be enslaved.
This is the Jews talking.
And even in the Protocols of Zion, the writer says, like, I can't believe that they come to us for credit when they could eliminate us.
We're the middleman.
They could tap their own credit.
Interest-free, debt-free.
They can tap their own credit.
Why would they give this golden goose to people who want to destroy them?
That's, you know, I mean, you've got to wonder.
It's obviously that the Gentiles have no leadership, no genuine leadership, except for people like you and me, and we're basically prophets in the wilderness.
We're all...
Pariahs, you know?
We're pariahs.
I don't know what it is about the Gentile mentality, but I guess a Christian just cannot conceive that someone would want to destroy them for no reason at all, just because they're occupying space.
You know, we are squatters on their planet.
They're chosen by God.
I mean, they're the ultimate case of a child that doesn't want to share his toys.
You know, they're a case of arrested development.
In fact, the whole Jewish mental complex is a case of arrested development.
Our path of development is the Christian path, which is embracing the law of God, which is that every man is, every life is sacred, and everybody partakes, everybody is the same in God's eyes.
I mean, that's obvious.
Henry, given the role you ascribe to Trump, why once he was in office, having overcome the rigged election for Hillary Clinton, why didn't they keep in there?
Why'd they go to all the trouble to steal the election and put in the stooge Biden?
Because of all the harm Biden did.
I mean, how many illegal migrants came into the United States under Biden?
I mean, how much debt did Biden run up in Ukraine?
But I believe Trump threw the election to Biden because His lawyer, Riley, what's her name, Riley?
Anyway, his lawyer and a couple of other patriots visited Trump and showed him how the election could be overturned, and he wasn't interested because that's his job.
That's the Zionist-Communist tag team.
I mean, when we add up the kind of damage that the Biden administration did to the United States, In the eyes of Satanists, that's a huge accomplishment.
And I think that's why Trump did that.
And yet they're fighting tooth and nail to keep him out.
I mean, it's going to go down.
It's all appearances.
Look, with all that, has Kamala Harris ever brought up the fact that Trump belongs to Chabad?
No.
Has she ever brought up the fact that he's constantly making Merkel hand signs?
No.
Nobody mentions it.
Kamala Harris didn't mention it.
Because they're in cahoots.
It would be easy to discredit Trump just by drawing a line between him and Chabad.
Just by showing how he's basically a Jewish con man.
And that he's not even...
He's getting away with being Christian.
He's not Christian.
He's a crypto-Jew.
He even said he wasn't Christian.
Oh, he keeps going to church.
Yeah, it's all scripted.
They go back and forth.
Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican.
The people don't catch on, unfortunately.
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Joaquin, given this is an area of your specialized research, I've always been skeptical of the very idea Trump would be a pedophile.
He's had beautiful women throwing themselves at him.
From the beginning, I mean, to me, it is far-fetched.
So I'm asking, based upon your research, which has been massive in this area, do you have any reason to believe Trump actually has committed pedophilia?
Yes.
There's a reason he ran so many years with his best buddy.
He even said it on New Yorker magazine in an interview.
Oh, yeah.
He's a best buddy of mine, and he likes the young ones.
He knew that Epstein was delivering young girls.
And, yeah, they both participated.
As a matter of fact, Trump got a 13-year-old before Epstein, and Epstein got all pissed off because Trump got her before he did.
Meaning he had sex with her before Epstein.
Yes.
And Trump deflowered her.
Trump took her virginity rather than Epstein.
Right.
And that 13-year-old actually filed a lawsuit against Trump leading up to the whole 2016 presidential election.
But at the last minute before the election day, she withdrew the lawsuit.
She got paid off.
And so that's how that ended.
But yeah, I don't know if the guy's still an active pedophile, but, you know, I think he has definitely a history of it.
Sure.
That's very, very upsetting.
I've had no doubts about Biden, who's, you know, even into incest with his taking naked showers with his daughter and the like.
I mean, that's grotesque, but I've always...
Not more of Trump than that.
It bothered me tremendously.
We do have three callers on the line.
Let me begin with area code 816. Brian, is that you?
It's me.
You know, I've explained to you before, Jim, that you would never believe me how Albert Pike knew what was coming, knew the Nazi thing.
I'll just explain it again real quick because I deal with this when I do the things I do.
Like I told you, I called in this girl when she was 18. The next night I called her in when she was 20 and she said, where in the hell have you been for the last two years?
There's 12 signs of the zodiac, okay?
We're in the age of Aquarius, so that's 2,150 years.
And what happens when you go into that age, you get all of your lifetimes, birth, death, everything, for 2150 years.
They're just there.
And then you're living them out.
And I know it's true because I went to this hypnotist who, she did group hypnotism, and she said, we're going to go back.
And look at your past lifetime.
So I did it, and I'm on the street in the city, and she says, look down at your shoes, and I do, and I've got women's shoes on.
You know, it's during the Nazi era.
I end up going to Brechisgaard.
I go into Hitler's bedroom, okay, in this hypnotism thing.
Brian, I think you're wonderful, and you gotta...
You gotta forgive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You gotta forgive my skepticism, you know, but I love hearing your stories.
We gotta call it 406. Join the conversation.
Paul?
No, it's Keith there, Jim.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Keith.
Yeah, I just wanted to update you on Ynet News.
There is an article about the so-called peace deal that Trump is meting out with Bibi over there.
Upon the hostage release and everything like that, the article says that if the so-called truce is broken, which it will be, that the United States will give unconditional support to Israel to just flat level the area.
You mean if it's broken by Hamas?
In other words, it's a setup.
You're telling me it's a setup.
Henry, would that be consistent with your take?
I suppose it would.
Absolutely.
I mean, they have to make some gestures in order to seem like they're rational and to gain credibility.
I mean, I'd love to see a peace break out, but I'm naturally very, very skeptical.
You know, I think we need to have this peace deal, this ceasefire deal confirmed.
It still hasn't been confirmed.
It may not be confirmed.
It should have been confirmed by now.
Well, I'm glad you called in, Keith, with that, because that's very, very disturbing.
Let's see, six cells.
Yeah.
You want to add?
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
It was five years ago, yeah, five years ago that Trump had talked to Greenland's prime minister, Fredrickson.
Anyway, that's at a time when he wanted to acquire Greenland then, and she said it was absurd.
I just wanted to know, you know, when you take out someone's early warning ground radar systems like they did from Ukraine, you should know this, that after all this, the negotiations so far have been that they put three bases in Denmark.
The U.S. now has 12 bases in Norway and 17 bases in Sweden and 15 in Finland, and they're all under U.S. control.
Yeah, it's all so effing absurd.
Yeah, so when Russia is worried about someone encroaching upon their borders...
Yeah, they got legitimate reasons.
Yes, yes, 100%.
Ericode406, join the conversation, 406. That was me.
Oh, that is you.
Okay, let's see who we got.
603, did we get 603 already?
603 or die.
There's a really interesting interview of Kevin Barrett and Gordon Dunn.
Yeah.
And who's writing a book about Kazaria.
Yes.
And as the origin of feudalism, that Europe was basically depopulated and Kazaria took over the domination of people.
That's where it came from.
And there was a man called Israel Epstein.
Who helped Chairman Mao?
I think Israel Epstein wrote the Little Red Book.
It's a fact of history of Mao and Yale.
Yale just came out with a study that 700 days after the third vaccine booster, people have CD4 immune suppression.
This is the identity of AIDS. When they put AIDS in the smallpox vaccine, In Africa, because it was black people, it's okay, right?
But they've done it to its own now.
We've got a billion people on the planet with immune suppression.
And if one thing's going to destroy the economy, this is it.
It's really an honor.
Well, Klaus Schwab is declaring that...
Five million people are going to die in 2025. I don't know where in the world this comes from.
Joaquin, your thoughts about Schwab's projection?
I mean, give us a break.
Yeah, it does seem a little bit on the high side, but, you know, between World War III, between more COVID vaccine deaths, between...
Starvation between, you know, basically civil unrest.
There's going to be all kinds of crime.
There already is in America, but it's only going to get worse.
And there's a lot of poor people that are...
The middle class has shrunk.
It's gone almost in the middle class now.
I mean, in America now.
So, yeah, I mean, there's going to be so much...
Problems that will actually cause people to die.
But I don't think it's going to be 5 billion in this one year.
I don't believe that.
But yeah, that's their, probably their agenda is to kill that many in one year.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Israel's used atomic bunker busters right now.
They're over 200. U.S. airstrikes on Syria in the last 10 days, and there's media silence.
But when you increase the ambient radiation, you have global effects.
You're saying Israel is right now in Syria using nukes again and again and again, right?
That's what you're explaining.
They have bunker busters.
I forget the designation.
And is it taking out Syrian military bases and the like?
Is that what it's all about?
Yeah, there's an attack of greater Israel.
It's taking out munitions.
And I don't know.
I don't know if Trump was actually shot.
Something robotic called the Holocaust Dogs from Ghost Robotics in Pennsylvania.
They set up a factory in Israel.
In Gaza, they were sending in these robotic dogs with flamethrowers on them, and they had little flying drones on their backs called roosters that would find survivors in the rubber, often children.
And they would burn them.
Burn them to death.
And then they would send in robotic, semi-autonomous robotic bulldozers, D9 caterpillars called pandas, to bulldoze down the ebony.
And this is all without humans involved at all.
This was the first use of robotics.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all by those reports.
Henry, what do you think about these rejections of depopulation on a massive scale?
I mean, we had, of course, a Deagle report that between 2020 and 2025, the U.S. population would drop from 330 million to 65. Hasn't happened yet, but maybe not for lack of trying.
What about this?
Eight billion people are going to die?
Or is it, you know, in 2025?
What did he come up with this rubbish?
Well, as you know, Deagle was not just some pundit.
He was a pretty high official in the Defense Department and the Rockefeller I think it's really,
really, really despicable that the mainstream media doesn't do their job, because if they did, they would be documenting the...
The number of adverse reactions to the vaccines.
Go ahead.
The death of AIDS in Africa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We know, we know, we know.
The idea of wiping up $5 billion in a year is just staggering.
That's why I call it rubbish.
It seemed to me to be ridiculous.
Could it be true?
I can't imagine any scenario under which it could turn out to be true, but maybe I'm not contemplating nuclear war, taking that seriously enough.
Go ahead.
Ask yourself this, Jim, right?
What we just saw in Los Angeles, was that not a very sobering display of power?
I mean, that made Paradise or Maui look like a walk in the park.
I mean, if we're to believe the figures and the images we see, I'm not there, right?
Many people are reported, so we're going to assume it's a reality.
So you'd have to ask yourself, how many of these things, these weapons, do they have?
And, you know, what sort of improvements are yet to be made, or what are they keeping in reserve?
I mean, I was told as a young man in the 70s, I was right after high school, going into college, I worked as a security guard.
And, you know, you bounce around at different accounts and, you know, you meet people and, you know, conversation is engaged in.
And, you know, there's things that just come across your radar screen.
I had a guy, I had no reason to disbelieve him.
This is probably the mid to late 70s.
He told me that they were then.
Disappearing items the size of fairly large ashtrays.
Like, just picture a large glass ashtray.
And, like, in the lab, that they had, you know, some sort of device or weapon, if you will, to cause that to disintegrate.
That was 50 years ago.
So apparently there's a power that exists that can cause construction materials to combust.
Because these construction materials won't burn in the traditional sense.
They're not flammable.
Right?
Like composition roofs, shingles, okay?
Stucco, and many, many other household items on the interior.
Yet the photos that we see show, we see the foundation.
We see all four sides, all four corners, down to the same level, very few of any vertical components left.
Meanwhile, shrubbery and trees exist.
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
There's nothing in...
There's nothing in California that isn't explicable in terms of dues and all this kind of stuff.
We all agree to that.
I'm talking about five billion people dying in a single year.
I know, but I'm making the point that apparently, I mean, you must have had these thoughts.
Other people on this call, on this panel, listening to the show, must have had the same...
Thoughts I've had, very solemn, very sobering, a feeling of helplessness because they can do this anytime they want, apparently.
What the hell are we going to do about it?
Do you remember that line from the movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still, right?
Where he tells Professor Barnhart that if we don't keep our petty squabbles here on Earth and we threaten to extend them out into the universe, that Earth will be reduced to a burnt-out cinder.
And Professor Barnhart says, does such a power exist?
And, you know, he says, I assure you, such a power exists.
I just have these lines from movies all throughout time that just have stuck with me, and I thought about that line in light of what we're seeing in L.A., right?
It just makes politics irrelevant, does it not?
All the politicians, what they do and say, completely irrelevant.
When such a power exists before our eyes.
Well, it depends who's calling the shots.
Keith, your thoughts.
If you're still with us, Keith, your thoughts.
Well, I think we're in critical times here because I was watching Gregory Manorino.
The Fed just did something here.
All the indicators have shown that the U.S. dollar is basically shot, but they're really backing up the I think we're going to see this digital rollout of currency here.
Seriously, Jim, I think there's going to be some massive false flag in which they're going to say, this or that, or this party caused all this, and because of that, we've got our new currency.
And I think they're going to start some big war over it.
As Gerald Slenty would say, when all else fails, they take you to war.
Again, like California, $770 to those that locked their homes and yet billions to Ukraine.
We got it.
Joaquin, what do you think about these fantastic projections of $5 billion?
2025. I mean, your thoughts?
They'll make a dent.
I don't think they'll reach that many.
But that tells you what they want to do, though.
I mean, that's very telling in that that's their agenda.
And they will achieve it.
But in a year?
I don't know about that.
But, I mean, that's a lot of people.
And I do believe that a lot of people will, unfortunately, perish in this year.
I do believe that.
Henry, your thoughts about the depopulation agenda?
How do you see it?
Well, I think it's real, and I think the rate it takes place is anybody's guest.
I mean, we're not anybody's guest.
We're not, you know, we're not crystal ball rears.
I mean, we've got the template down.
We know who's controlling everything.
We know they want to kill us.
There's been many attestments to that effect.
Yeah, I think it's going to happen, but there's no way of knowing how soon it'll take place.
Frankly, though, like I said, I think they're overreaching.
I think there's going to be some kind of reaction, some kind of resistance.
I mean, I think...
I think more and more people are realizing that the system is corrupt and it's out to get them.
And there's going to be resistance.
I think it's really very...
I think people run down Elon Musk and of course he's part of the Illuminati.
But man, I think he should get credit for opening up Twitter to free speech.
I think...
I think the fact that the kind of information that we're discussing today is going to be disseminated and is being disseminated around the world instantaneously, to me, that's a very hopeful sign.
I think there's going to be a...
There is already the beginnings of awakening, and I think it's going to increase.
And if anything, the overreach by this cartel...
It may be their downfall.
This may sow the seeds for the end of the Rothschild banking cartel and where nations take back control over their credit and disown all that debt.
About the awakening and etc.
I don't see it.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Yeah, me too.
But I am hopeful because it's very hard to bring...
Bring in a dictatorship when people have instant access to information and can communicate widely, instantaneously.
I mean, they're going to have to take down the Internet.
And if they do that, they'd have to take down their own economy.
I don't know.
The Internet gives me hope.
What can I say?
Why would I have to take down the internet?
It doesn't matter to them.
They have all the power.
We have none.
I mean, if you hear what I just said, I think, Jim, you were focusing too much on the number that they claim, the 5 billion, and, like, the time frame, okay?
That's not the important point, okay?
I just said everything, in my opinion, that needs to be said about this.
People in general, at least in this country, have demonstrated already a tremendous amount of passivity because, for the moment, right, they can eat.
They can eat and they have shelter.
But these people have just shown that your shelter means nothing.
You know, they can go anywhere they want and they can do this to you.
So just think about that for a minute.
I mean, I know, like I said, it's extremely sobering thought.
I really appreciate your comments.
I think they make a lot of sense.
Two rice bowls a day, or HG Wells said, so long as people are well fed and feel safe, they'll put up with anything.
And there's different kinds of toxemia.
There's the toxemia from non-kosher food that people are just stupid, which comes from the word stupid.
The mechanism to kill 5 billion people is a disease weapon that's radiation activated.
And, you know, people are quality generators, so I have hope.
Excellent calls.
We're near the end.
I want to have a final thought from Joaquin and then from Henry before we conclude our conversation.
Joaquin, your thoughts.
Well, as people find it more difficult to survive, to find money for food and paying the rent, They are going to react at some point.
But the question is, will it be too late?
And will the big guns win out?
I think our only chance is non-compliance on a mobilized, massive scale.
But that's a big question mark, because as people have said, there is a dumbed-down population here.
The Americans seem to me today so passive, you know, so difficult.
I mean, the idea that as long as you have food on the table, you're probably not going to be out protesting in the street has a lot of merit, I do not deny.
And I therefore worry about the complete loss of freedom.
Henry, that seems pretty consistent with your take.
Give us your final thoughts, Henry.
Well, you know, you talk about no food on the table.
That actually happened in the Depression in the 1930s, and it's happening again.
And how did the Depression end?
War.
World War II, right?
And so I see a kind of repeat of the 30s.
I think we're in this pre-World War III period.
Enjoy having you here, my friend.
I look forward to having you back.
Joaquin, thank you.
Callers are excellent, everyone.
Spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, and people you love and care about because we do not know how much time we have left.