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The Raw Deal (30 December 2024) with Dr. Katherine Horton

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	Much younger than today, I never needed anybody's help in any way.
	But now these days we're gone, I'm not from self-assure.
	But now if I'm in the general mind, I'm open up the door.
	Help me if you can, I'm feeling down.
	And I do hate to be around Well, this is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal, right here on Revolution Radio this 30th day of December right here on Revolution Radio this 30th day of December 2024 on Studio B.
	I have co-host Keith Rogers and two very special guests.
	Joaquin Agopian and Dr. Katherine Horton.
	We have much to discuss.
	I want to begin, however, with a few of the latest stories taking place.
	We know, of course, there's been a plane crash in South Korea that there were 180 on board.
	We have a report of, allegedly, but we have a report of 179 killed with two survivors, which would make the number, the count off by one.
	Very, very troubling.
	Meanwhile, we have from Blavrov, the leading, you know, diplomat in the world today.
	Very great concern.
	Hey everyone, big heads up.
	What's going on with the proposal for a ceasefire?
	Let's listen to some of what he has to say.
	This is...
	We are beginning an interview with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Viktorovic Lavrov for Russian and foreign media.
	And let me give the floor to the first correspondent.
	This is the Russia 24 channel.
	Please ask your question.
	Yes, thank you very much, Sergei Viktorovic.
	I welcome you.
	Maria Vladimirovna.
	Hello.
	Of course.
	The most important question now is, of course, the question of negotiations.
	And now there are a lot of voices from diplomatic circles, experts, and so on.
	Well, to put it simply, they are trying to reconcile us very actively.
	There are different versions, and so on.
	But there is a question, with whom is it possible to negotiate in Kyiv now?
	Again, Mr. Kellogg is taking the initiative.
	Probably, this is already the new administration, of course, if they approve it, and so on.
	Sergey Viktorovic, how do you see the situation on this issue?
	You know, a lot has already been said on this topic.
	Our president has repeatedly addressed this issue, including during his direct line, before, that, at the Valdai Club, and also during other events.
	We cannot be satisfied with empty talk.
	So far, all we hear is talk about the need to come up with some kind of truce, and they do not particularly hide the fact, That they need this truce in order to gain time to continue pumping Ukraine with weapons, so, that they can get themselves in order, so, that they can carry out additional mobilization, and so on.
	A truce is a road to nowhere.
	We need final legal agreements that will record all the conditions for ensuring the security of the Russian Federation and, of course, The legitimate security interests of our neighbors.
	But this must be in a context that will secure the impossibility of violating these agreements in an international legal manner.
	And these agreements, first of all, must concern the root causes of the Ukrainian crisis.
	The two main ones are, firstly, The violation of all obligations not to advance NATO to the east and NATO's aggressive absorption of the entire geopolitical space, right up to our borders.
	Ukraine was destined for this fate, but they continue to talk about it even now.
	And the second root cause, of course, is the absolutely racist actions of the Kyiv regime after the coup d'etat.
	When the extermination of everything Russian was officially proclaimed, and then legally enshrined, the language, the media, culture, even the use of the Russian language in everyday life, as well as the ban on the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
	Therefore, when they tell us that Russia is putting forward preconditions, these are not preconditions, these are demands to fulfill what we had previously agreed on.
	As it turns out, they lied to us.
	And then, when they assured that NATO would not advance to the East, and when they emphasized their commitment to a settlement based on the UN Charter, but categorically forgetting that this Charter not only confirms the principle of territorial integrity, it also contains the principle of equality and self-determination of peoples.
	Moreover, The General Assembly has long considered the relationship between these principles, and it has decided in its wisdom by consensus that the territorial integrity of all states whose governments respect the principle of self-determination, and by virtue of this, they represent the entire population living in the respective territory must be respected.
	How can the Kyiv Nazi regime represent the interests of the residents of Crimea, the residents of Donbass, Novorossiya?
	Immediately after the coup d'etat, it declared them terrorists and launched a so-called anti-terrorist military operation against them.
	You know, the initiatives of China and Brazil on the Ukrainian crisis emphasize the need to respect the UN Charter.
	The principle of territorial integrity is mentioned there from time to time.
	We are talking with our Chinese and Brazilian friends, with other countries that are cooperating and promoting this initiative dictated by the best intentions.
	We are talking about the fact that the UN Charter is much more multifaceted than just the principle of territorial integrity.
	The principle of self-determination of peoples is no less important.
	If it were not for this principle, Then there would probably be problems with the decolonization of African and other peoples.
	It was this principle that became the international legal basis for decolonization.
	And decolonization reflected the unwillingness, unpreparedness, and impossibility of African peoples to live under the rule of colonizers.
	In exactly the same way, the population of Crimea, Donbass, and Novorossiya does not want, cannot, And will never live under the rule of the Nazis, who seized power in Kyiv.
	This means that the principle of self-determination of peoples comes into force.
	They have self-determined.
	The residents of Crimea did this in 2014, and a couple of years ago Donbass and Novorossiya did the same.
	And these are already realities that are reflected in our Constitution.
	Therefore, if we want to talk seriously, we must treat the principles of the UN Charter not selectively, But in their entirety and interrelation.
	And, of course, not forgetting the principle of respect for human rights, so beloved by the West.
	The West did not invent this, it is written in the UN Charter.
	The very first article of the Charter states that everyone is obliged to respect human rights regardless of gender, race, language, and religion.
	The Russian language has been legally exterminated in Ukraine.
	Canonical religion and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church are prohibited there.
	Therefore, I believe that all those who sincerely want to help find the basis for resolving the crisis cannot ignore its root causes.
	Let me remind you that the Chairman of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping and his initiative on global security in February 2023, which was devoted in general to any conflicts and principles for their resolution, He especially emphasized in the text of this document the need to see and eliminate the root causes of any conflict in order to resolve it.
	And I would also like to touch upon Mr. Kellogg, who was announced as the future special representative of President Trump for Ukraine.
	He recently said, That they saw an attempt to reconcile Russia and Ukraine within the framework of the Minsk process, which failed.
	Therefore, they will not repeat it, as he said.
	In fact, of course, Mr. Kellogg has yet to delve deeper into the Ukrainian dossier.
	But the Minsk agreements were not an attempt.
	These were signed documents, That were guaranteed by an additional declaration by the leaders of Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany, which said that Euro-Atlantic security would take into account the interests of all countries.
	It said that efforts to create a single space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean would be restored.
	A lot was said there.
	Nothing that was written in this declaration As well as in the Minsk document itself, regarding the responsibilities of the Ukrainian regime, was fulfilled.
	I would like to emphasize once again, that this is a document that was agreed upon, signed at the highest level, and unanimously approved by the UN Security Council.
	Therefore, Mr. Kellogg probably needs to look into this more deeply.
	The Minsk agreements were not an attempt, they were a decision of the UN Security Council, That was trampled underfoot with the encouragement of the United States.
	This was done by Poroshenko, who signed this document as the then President of Ukraine, and by the former leader of Germany Merkel, and the leader of France Olan.
	All three of them, I think, admitted a year ago, that they were not going to implement these Minsk agreements.
	They needed time to pump Ukraine with weapons.
	And now, all those ideas that are in the air, Which are much less binding than the Minsk agreements.
	They also practically pursue the same goal.
	To buy time for the Nazi regime.
	As President Putin said, we are ready to consider any serious and concrete proposals.
	It is probably premature to speculate and read tea leaves now.
	I very much hope that Mr Trump's administration, including Mr Kellogg, We'll delve into the root causes of this conflict.
	And we are always ready for consultations.
	We are ready once again.
	If someone does not understand our position, which has been repeatedly, clearly, and extremely clearly stated, we are always ready to confirm this position.
	We are open to any negotiations.
	If the negotiations are essentially about the root causes of the conflict, and about the principles, That President Putin spoke about in June of this year, speaking here at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and which I would like to especially note are not any preconditions.
	Let me just say I played that extensive because everyone should know exactly what the Russian position is.
	They've been very clear and emphatic about it.
	It was the atrocities that were about to be inflicted on the Donbass that had been initiated following the coup of 2014, engineered by the United States using five billion of American taxpayer dollars and orchestrated by Victoria Nuland, after which there began artillery hits in the Donbass.
	And by the time of the Russian intervention, over 2,000 ethnic Russian speakers of the Donbass had been killed.
	The whole idea of the Minsk agreements was just a cover.
	Angela Merkel Schultz have acknowledged to allow Ukraine to build up its military forces to deal with Russia, which they thought would be no great challenge, but proved to be 100% mistaken.
	And the very idea of allowing NATO to be on the borders of Russia in relation with Ukraine is simply absurd.
	I'm therefore completely dismayed We have a report now.
	Lavrov says Russia not satisfied with proposal from Trump team to end Ukraine war.
	Listen to this.
	According to media report, Trump's team has considered a proposal for Ukraine to drop its aspiration to join NATO for 20 years.
	I mean, that's what's in the original Trump proposal.
	Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Sunday, Moscow was not satisfied with the reported proposal being discussed by President-elect Donald Trump and his transition team to end the war in Ukraine.
	Recent media reports have said Trump's term team proposed the idea of Ukraine pledging not to join NATO for at least 20 years as part of a potential peace deal.
	Another report said Trump wants European troops to deploy to Ukraine to monitor a future ceasefire.
	Judging by numerous leaks in Donald Trump's own interviews with Time magazine on December 12, he's talking about freezing hostilities along the line of engagement and transferring further responsibility for confronting Russia to the Europeans.
	Robert said, according to TASS, the Russian news agency, we are certainly not satisfied by the proposals made by representatives of the president-elect's team to postpone Ukraine's membership in NATO for 20 years and deploy peacekeeping contingent in the UK and European forces to Ukraine.
	I mean, after all, the whole battle was being waged in order to To defeat Ukraine from joining NATO, the idea of putting off 20 years, which could become 10, which could become 5, that's obviously totally unacceptable, and I'm delighted Dr. Catherine Horkin has now I've been able to join Catherine.
	I want your opinions about this.
	It makes me think when you consider that Trump appointed this complete lunatic Sebastian Gorka to a position where Gorka has been threatening Russia that if Putin doesn't come to the negotiating table where U.S. is going to provide Ukraine with weapons that will make those that they've received in the past look like peanuts.
	This is not a responsible position politically, diplomatically, internationally.
	I mean, I'm appalled.
	And it has shaken my confidence in Trump.
	I mean, he claimed he would settle Ukraine virtually overnight.
	I thought he'd do that by cutting off any further supplies or weapons to Ukraine and force Ukraine to accede to Russian demands.
	But that doesn't appear to be how it's playing out.
	Your thoughts?
	I think what we're witnessing is a negotiation.
	In all business negotiations, if you come in and your opening bid is what you truly want, you'll get screwed because the other side will push you back.
	Every negotiation, once it's opened, People first approach the table with ludicrous, wishful thinking.
	And not so much even because that's what they want.
	It's more because they assume the other side will come to the table with similarly ludicrous stuff.
	That's just how any business negotiation works.
	So if you want to buy something for $20 million, you will come in and offer $5 million, and the other side will offer it for $40 million, $60 million.
	And then the idea is that you ideally settle in the middle.
	But the middle has to be sensible, right?
	So each side, knowing the other side will start off with something ludicrous, also has to come in with something ludicrous.
	So just remember, this is just the opening bid in a negotiation, which by definition and by game theory will be ludicrous, all right?
	And I think seasoned negotiators, and Trump is one of them, know this.
	Putin is another.
	So, you know, this one really is just for show because Trump hasn't even been inaugurated.
	So in a sense, we get the ludicrous stuff that nobody truly cares about out of the way now, three weeks before inauguration, or what is it?
	Almost, yeah, three weeks.
	So we have three more weeks to approach something sensible.
	And if Trump promised to finish this overnight, so it has to be done by January 21st, well, they have three weeks to settle on something sensible.
	Right?
	That's how I read it.
	So that's what I mean.
	If we, you know, freak out already now, I think it's wasted energy because each side will come down to settle in the middle.
	Right?
	I mean, what I'm more outraged about, at the moment, nothing has been cast in stone.
	You know, we almost don't have standing for outrage, right, in the court of law.
	But what I am absolutely outraged about is that it even came to this.
	Right?
	Right?
	If Bill were here, Bill Binney, he would tell us that there was a time during the Cold War where the futility of it was so blindingly obvious to everybody.
	Back in the day, it was actually Bill who suggested inviting Russia into NATO. Why not?
	I mean, you know, we had the rape of Russia, the Rothschild, you know, networks just bought up everything.
	Russia was wholesale, owned by the West, very much like the US and, you know, the UK and all other countries are owned by the same networks.
	There was no difference between us.
	And had Russia joined NATO, we wouldn't even have this discussion.
	Everything would become almost like a null and void, pretty much.
	I mean, I have an example in small About the bickering over my homeland, Transylvania, between Hungary and Romania.
	When both joined the European Union, it was like, nah, whatever.
	You can work where you want.
	You can live where you want.
	Who cares to whom you pay your taxes?
	It was just like, everything is open.
	Do whatever you want.
	And then, once they are in NATO themselves, you negotiate differently.
	You know, that would have been, of course, a stroke of genius because then they couldn't go on about the Russia, Russia, Russia threat, right?
	And also there would be a big block to counter the surveillance and enslavement insanity that the global cartel is unleashing currently in China.
	There would have been a sensible counterbalance.
	I also would like to remind people that Russia, as far as I've experienced, their people, their scientists, and even their politicians, they are highly educated, very sensible, utterly not emotional.
	The Middle East people are very emotional.
	The Russians are never emotional to a fault.
	They don't even smile, right?
	It's very logical.
	They are very...
	Easy to deal with because they are very predictable and sensible.
	Out of all the adversaries the US has, Russia is the best.
	They have an excellent educational system that we all, even Western Europe, would be envious of.
	And there's so much we could actually learn from Russia had Russia been brought into the fold.
	But then, of course, and here we see the real purpose of this.
	Had Russia been brought into the fold, the global cartel can't do their order out of chaos.
	They can't have their wars.
	They can't have all this.
	So, you know, ultimately, if you want to have international money laundering, and I think that's what this is about.
	Any money that goes to Ukraine comes right back, you know, by return of post.
	You need these spectacles to conduct all that.
	Otherwise, you could never take a dollar out of the purse of the U.S. taxpayers.
	That's my take.
	I want to hear more about that because, you see, of course, if Russia were a part of NATO, We couldn't have had to slaughter Libya, a whole host of NATO engagements.
	Basically, it would be a plan for peace and stability in the world.
	And I believe the denial, therefore, was geopolitically motivated by the military-industrial complex to keep the profits flowing.
	If there's actual peace, who's going to buy all the expensive equipment from General Dynamics, Raytheon, Boeing?
	And the role of the Pentagon and the CIA becomes dramatically diminished.
	So while what you are describing, of course, makes eminent sense, if one actually cares about having a world not at war, You need an enemy if you're going to keep perpetual wars going.
	Russia turns out to be the perfect fall guy.
	Look how frequently it's been cited in American politics with the nonsense about Russian interference in our elections.
	With Hillary, it was Russia, Russia, Russia.
	She complained for four years about the election being stolen.
	When it wasn't, Trump was simply more popular.
	It was the outpouring of support in the rural regions that put Trump over the top.
	They sought to rig the election for Hillary then, and they sought to rig the election for Hillary again, and it turns out once more it was simply that there were many more votes than they were able to deal with that put Trump in office.
	But I'm now worried About the Trump's own sensibility.
	So I find it a relief for you to suggest this is part of the art of the deal.
	It is.
	It is.
	Here's one little modification maybe over the next three weeks they'll settle for that.
	If you change or add one more sentence, I think the whole sentiment will change, because how about this treaty we'll read, you know, Ukraine is not going to join for 20 years, at which point both Russia and Ukraine will join NATO. How about that?
	How about that?
	Right?
	Suddenly everybody's like, okay!
	No more questions.
	Who cares?
	Look, I mean, what's happening right now and what I've been tracking, it is really a phase transition from complete ignorance.
	I mean, humanity has been born into slavery by kings and Powerful networks and secret societies and also on the Vatican.
	And we're now waking up to how much control they each have and how much they have controlled all of our countries.
	If you go to Russia, the covert symbols and the Masonic symbols are exactly the same.
	One MI6 whistleblower website called it, this whole Russia versus the West sort of discussion, Masonic office politics.
	And I think that's the best way to describe it.
	It's Masonic office politics, because when you look at actual company ownership, people forget that Russia is also owned by the Rothschild network.
	They also have a fiat currency in the central bank.
	They are screwed just as hard as we are by exactly the same mechanisms, you know?
	Their memorials have the same Masonic symbols, the eternal flame of Lucifer, the satanic pentagram, right?
	It's the same.
	It's already the same.
	So this is, on many levels, Kabuki theater And what we actually saw with the Ukraine war, and of course, I'm really going to go full hog with this expression Masonic office politics because I want people to understand a different dimension.
	The control architecture is already fused and has been since, I think, the Russian communist genocide.
	I think that's when really the country was taken over fully by The Vatican and the Masons, right?
	Because I keep pointing this out.
	It's never in the interest of a military to genocide its own people because that's where they take the cannon fodder from.
	So when there's a large scale genocide, it is direct proof for infiltration and deep capture by a foreign power.
	So I believe that that's really when it was taken over.
	And if you look at ownership, that's what happened.
	Catherine, stand by.
	We've got a break.
	We'll be right back with Dr. Catherine Horton.
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	Well, Catherine, as you know, I was inviting Joaquin Agobian to join us because we want to discuss some of his writings published on my blog, but in his absence, we may vary the cadence here.
	Here I want to ask about what is given as a shocking report, but neither you nor I will find it shocking.
	In the UK, finds 95% of COVID-19 deaths were among the vaccinated.
	Catherine, how dumb are we supposed to be?
	Don't they understand the vax is what's killing people, not the COVID? Here we have official UK data reveals an alarming surge in deaths among those vaccinated with COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.
	The vaccinated population got from 95% of all COVID-19 deaths between January and May of 2023, despite 30% of the UK population remaining unvaccinated.
	Vaccinated individuals disproportionately suffered.
	Similar death surges are being reported globally, including in the Philippines and the United States.
	Catastrophic failure.
	Official UK data reveals 95% of COVID-19 deaths were among the vaccinated.
	Catherine, we know the jab was the toxic...
	Method for depopulation and that the public was plagued.
	We know they took, in 2019, there were 30 million cases of the flu the following year, only 2,000 because they redesignated 29,998,000 cases of the flu as COVID to manufacture a fake pandemic.
	We know there was no increase in death.
	The rate of death in any of the relevant age groups, none.
	In fact, a report like that even slipped through from Johns Hopkins, though they were doing their best to censor everything, that the public not become aware of the enormity of the scandal.
	I mean, this is the greatest hoax.
	Since the moon landing, and the moon landing was far less consequential because it didn't entail the deaths of what I project to be not just millions, potentially even billions of human beings on planet Earth.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah.
	If I were really, really cynical, which I sometimes am in my darker moments, I would say this was a genocide of the gullible.
	You know, and the genocide of the brainwashed.
	It is a genocide.
	I mean, at that scale, we are talking...
	I mean, this is on par with the communist genocides, right?
	So it's just that what they did is back in the...
	In the first half of the 20th century, genocide was a very loud thing.
	They would come and knock at your door in the middle of the night, drag you out, cut you off somewhere, kill you.
	It was very labor-intensive and, you know, very noticeable.
	And I, for a long time, suspected that even before COVID, they switched to what I call statistical murder.
	So you take out somebody here and somebody over there and somebody in a dinky little village and it becomes very much like the Agatha Christie type of thing where every murder would have to be Carefully investigated by somebody before people can put the picture together.
	Now this, the UK already did a mass genocide of their heavily disabled years before COVID. And it was when they declared that because of austerity, which is known to be a scam, austerity, because the government creates money out of thin air, so there's never austerity.
	But because of austerity, they can't pay The subsistent payments to heavily disabled people.
	These were those who are so confined to a wheelchair.
	They can't move arms or legs.
	They have 24-hour support.
	24-hour support was meant to be just, you know, during the day.
	There's no night support.
	And back in the day, it was our only Russell brand.
	Who reported about this.
	Only him.
	And he had some of the heavily disabled people.
	I think one lady was called Penny.
	I remember her distinctly because I was horrified what she was saying.
	And she was saying that the money got withdrawn and a lot of people are killing themselves because of this because they know they cannot live like that.
	So during that time, there was an independent article that showed, I think, 160,000 heavily disabled people died beyond what was expected.
	In plain English, there already was a genocide of 160,000 heavily disabled people in the UK as a practice run.
	And nobody saw it because these people stay hidden, they stay at home.
	There's somebody in the community here, somebody over there in Manchester, Edinburgh, London.
	But hey, They got the numbers.
	And, you know, I'm not surprised.
	I think what it should do is that those of us who survived, we have to club together and now go after the people who did this for crimes against humanity.
	And this was all known.
	What people also need to realize is that when the population starts dying, the government has much more detailed numbers than we could ever get ourselves.
	So they knew.
	It showed up on their screens, right?
	They did it on purpose.
	And saved a huge amount of money, right, at medical costs, which may have been the ultimate objective, not just to reduce the population, but to save tons of money, because these are the most expensive patients on the face of Earth.
	Yeah, that was exactly it.
	But again, it's not money saved.
	It's money repurposed into their own pockets.
	So they picked the most vulnerable part of society and took the money from them because, you know, taxes haven't gone down since then.
	There was no tax rebate because now they don't have to pay 460,000 disabled people.
	No, this money went elsewhere to their buddies and to this network of, you know, covert network operating out of government.
	So it is horrifying.
	Now, regarding this, gosh, it is so sickening.
	I mean, the scale of it is so vast.
	People don't even understand it.
	And because it was silent, they cannot believe it.
	But it certainly was a fact that when COVID was raging, we were in the middle of this house move away from Maryland.
	And when we came to the new house, we had all these contractors come to the house, everything needed doing.
	And we always spoke to them about this.
	And every single one knew somebody, and it was immediate family or best friends and things like that, who had died from taking the shot.
	So the scale is staggering.
	Yeah, I wonder if we're ever going to get an accurate count, even right here in the U.S., because there have been some spectacular reports.
	Two meters had a piece about died suddenly.
	We showed one person after another on television in the street playing sports.
	Dying suddenly, and it was all from the vax.
	And of course, especially in the UK, we had the reports of the morticians, the embalmers, finding these long fibrous strands, and they weren't actually made up of blood, implying they're microprocessors, you know, they're assembling entities in our bloodstream that could bring about our sudden death.
	And a host of other elements there.
	This appears to have been the most toxic cocktail ever contrived by the hand of man.
	Catherine, there could be no doubt.
	It is a bioweapon.
	It is a genocidal instrument of death.
	Yes, it is.
	It is a bioweapon, a weapon of mass destruction.
	Now, the other thing, too, there are several things to keep in mind.
	When you said we will never get an accurate count, well, two Two types of businesses already have an accurate count.
	Number one, telecommunication companies because everybody has an individual cell phone.
	When they die, that one gets defunct or gets repurposed.
	Number two, the banking sector has very, very precise numbers because when you die, somebody else takes over your money.
	Apart from children dying, everybody, it gets noted in the banking sector.
	There's an entire elaborate process of, you know, who gets your money and your stuff.
	So all this is known to the banks.
	They could even publish.
	And of course, NSA. NSA knows, right?
	GCHQ and the UK know about all this.
	But then there's something even more varying.
	In the targeted individual community, which is vast, I mean, 50,000 to 60,000 are registered with the US charity, Targeted Justice, and about maybe 1 in 10, 1 in 100 even bothers to register with them.
	So it's pretty clear there are hundreds of thousands of targeted individuals.
	And one of the most recurring things is that These victims suffer housebreaking at night whereby the intel agencies come in, implant you and inject anything they want into your body.
	So what that also means is that we all need to start putting deadbolts, sophisticated deadbolts on our door and maybe have CCTV because once they have this bioweapon, they can inject it into anybody forever after.
	They basically found the perfect way to kill people.
	So, you know, injecting strychnine or whatever, potassium, what's it called, right, is not the only way.
	You can also be slowly killed.
	And also note something about it.
	This way of death is sometimes months or years after the injection, so it provides perfect plausible deniability.
	Right?
	That's what you want.
	You want the actual death to be detached from the act of murder, right, in time and in space.
	And this provides everything.
	So I think we're going to see a lot more of these deaths.
	It was a big test, you know?
	Yes.
	Yes, a big test.
	And my impression is they're trying to get the vaccine to our food supply.
	You know, like lettuce and meat, and you know, I don't know how we're going to be able to escape it.
	I mean, it seems my impression is shedding may not be a bona fide phenomenon.
	I'd appreciate your thoughts about that, but I don't think so, because it's not a virus doing it.
	It's nanotech.
	And as I understand, this stuff basically lives in the bloodstream.
	I mean, the fibrous things live in the bloodstream.
	It's hard to tell.
	Honestly, I'm a physicist.
	I'm not a biotech person.
	So I can't tell, but hey, everything that, you know, the urine gets into the water supply, London entirely recycles, you know, wastewater and there are other places, large cities do that all the time.
	So yes, that's a factor.
	The only way we can really...
	Stop this.
	Number one, we all have to go back to the original small farms.
	You know, all those small family businesses, if you live in the countryside, it's easier to get in touch with them.
	If you live in a city, it's much, much harder.
	But, you know, there are simple family farms that still provide online delivery for meats.
	You know, you can look up the Rebel Farmers, right?
	They provide that.
	It's a family company that just, you know, slaughters their cows and then sends you the packaged meat home, right?
	That's still an option and then otherwise just starts, you know, going back to basics and simple family farms because when there are many, many units, especially when they are open-minded patriots who know what's going on and refuse to be a part of it and refuse to take GMO seeds and so on, there's a way to fight back.
	But yeah, the real question is what would we have done if Trump hadn't won and RFK wouldn't have joined Trump?
	We wouldn't stand a whiff of a chance to fight this.
	I heard a report today that Bobby Jr. wasn't going to be his DHS secretary, but he already nominated him as DHS secretary.
	Have you heard anything to that effect?
	No, as far as I know, he is the DHS secretary.
	HHS. HHS, right, right.
	HHS. Yeah, he and Tulsi seem to be two of his best appointments.
	I have a lot of confidence in her, but there are those who are worried that her having access to the nation's secrets is too risky because she's...
	I think the reason is she's an honest person of integrity.
	And you know, Bill can talk at length about that, of course.
	I mean, the conflict.
	And also, what nation's secrets?
	Sorry, I cut off the end.
	Go right ahead.
	No, no, I mean, what nation's secrets?
	What secrets?
	We know about the nuclear arsenal.
	We know about directed energy weapons, culverts, implanting, bioweapons.
	It's now all public.
	Like, what else is there?
	You know, what secrets go down?
	They don't want to tell us that the government was involved in the assassination of JFK. They don't want to tell us the moon landing was all fake.
	I mean, anyone who's taking a look at the evidence understands those are facts.
	But the government seemingly doesn't want to confirm it.
	Fascinating conversation, actually.
	Dinner with a guy who has played the role of the second gunman on the grassy knoll.
	His name is James Files.
	He's published several books.
	He's even got shirts saying, I shot JFK Baba, which is supposed to be the hit on the right temple, okay?
	Now, When we had the conversation and when I've studied his work, I realized he cannot have actually been the gunman because there was a limo stop involved.
	It was removed from the Zapruder film.
	So if you didn't know a lot about the evidence, you wouldn't be able to make this assessment.
	But in fact, there's a limo stop.
	They had to take out because it was such an obvious indication of Secret Service complicity.
	Greer pulled the limo to the left to halt.
	All the passengers were jostled, thrown forward.
	Now, Jack had been hit twice in the back, five and a half inches below the collar, shallow shot.
	Only went in about as far as the second knuckle on your little finger.
	It appeared to have worked its way out, a bullet.
	Which was that he had previously been fired from the Mannlicher Carcano.
	They would claim Oswald had used.
	This is to implant evidence that it had been done with the Mannlicher Carcano.
	But also been shot in the throat by a bullet that passed through the windshield.
	But so far as they could tell, he was still alive.
	And the Umbrella Man was pumping the umbrella, meaning target's still alive, keep shooting.
	Greer pulled the limo to the left.
	There actually were painted lines on the curbing.
	Where he should pull the limo.
	And during that limo stop, he's hitting the back of the head.
	He slumps forward.
	Jack eases him back up.
	And that's when he's hitting the right temple now.
	The thing about Fowles is he never mentions the limo stop.
	He never mentions the other shot.
	He never mentions Jack something forward.
	And if he doesn't mention those, he's unaware of them, then that means he cannot have been there.
	And he wasn't the shooter he claimed to be.
	In fact, it appears that person who fired that shot was a guy named Frank Sturgis, who was actually the mob shooter.
	But I mean, By my take, there were actually eight different gunmen in D. LeBlanc, none of whom were named Lee Harvey Oswald.
	Now, the point of this is the following.
	I like this guy tremendously.
	I mean, we just hit it off.
	If we lived in a nearby vicinity, I think we'd spend a lot of time together.
	I really liked him.
	Now, he's a serious guy, Catherine.
	This guy was a hitman for the mob.
	He was involved in some big, big killings.
	But he said twice.
	During the conversation, once a government takes a position, it's stuck with it and will never change.
	He said it twice.
	Once a government takes a position, it's stuck with it, it'll never change.
	Now, we know Lee Oswald was in the doorway, and yet the government persists in telling us he was the lone government.
	We know we didn't go to the moon, but a government is never going to change.
	We didn't even have the propulsion power to escape low-Earth orbit.
	We know it was not 19 Islamic terrorists who attacked us on 9-11.
	There was an Israeli op.
	But true to form, the government, I think he's got it right, is never going to change.
	So here, you know, when Trump wants to reveal these additional JFK files, and it turns out Mike Pompeo talked him out of it, This guy being a bad guy, Pompeo.
	So Trump, I think, had good instincts here, but they were defeated by the influence of this guy, Pompeo.
	Very aggressive, very dominant personality type.
	Though Trump, obviously, is no shrinking violet, no wall power, but he was overwhelmed, I think, by Pompeo, and he didn't do it.
	Now he said he is going to do it.
	I don't know whether that'll come to pass.
	I don't know how much confidence we can have in Trump.
	I'm very, very worried.
	We got Musk talking about bringing in these Indian tech IT guys.
	He's made insulting remarks about Americans being retarded.
	You know, in a literal sense, he may well be right.
	I think cell phones especially, Catherine.
	Have just swept the culture.
	They've had an effect that history is going to record unparalleled of any technology next to television.
	Between television and cell phones, I think immunity has been reduced, you know, popular culture, intellectual ability.
	Kids don't read anymore.
	They spend all their time on cell phones, little text messages.
	Their linguistic and mental abilities, in my judgment, are deteriorating.
	So I think when you look at the bigger picture, I think Musk has a point.
	Now, politically, it's like Hillary's talking about the deplorables.
	I think it's a political blunder, not that it's...
	Hillary's case is just ridiculous.
	Musk maybe less so.
	But he wants these special visas to bring in people, especially from India, who are high-tech qualified, to work for him and for Silicon Valley.
	I just don't know whether we're not going to see a reversal.
	One of the most important reasons Trump was elected was his promise to undertake a massive deportation Policy, plan, effort that was going to exceed anything we ever saw in the past.
	People believed him.
	I believed him.
	But I think increasingly it's less and less likely he's going to do it.
	And he's talking more recently about people who've been convicted of crimes and, you know, this very heavy Venezuelan gang and all that.
	Well, that's a tiny, tiny, minuscule fraction of all the illegals who've been brought in.
	All the above.
	Well, I live in a U.S. state where you don't notice at first, but when you get to talk to people, a vast majority of people who run stuff are illegal.
	But they've been here for 10, 15, 20 years.
	And I think what we also need to realize is government capabilities.
	If Trump can...
	Deport half a million of actual registered criminals, that would be awesome.
	You know, that would be fantastic.
	He would actually achieve all that.
	Now, there's a huge difference between the criminals that come over the border, the illegals that are non-criminal, right, who join family members or genuinely just come here because they want to work and build a new life, right?
	Sometimes they are harder working than the Americans who are just camping out in a trailer park somewhere and can't be bothered to go to work.
	So there's a huge difference here.
	Now, the H-1B visas is entirely different as well.
	And by the way, they're not just these super qualified, you know, Indian programmers.
	They go all the way to the, you know, through the full spectrum of skills, even down to cooks.
	I saw Truth screenshots of Tesla, how many H-1B people they hire, and they hire a lot of cooks.
	Why do you need cooks?
	And it's a lot of low-level skills.
	So the real thing about H-1B visas is really the following.
	If you look at the average income in India per month, it's $387 per month.
	The average income or salary in the US is 5,677.
	So, It's 7%, right?
	7%, the average expected income.
	So if you have...
	Catherine, just to add a caveat, don't we have to cast that against the cost of living?
	Absolutely.
	Maybe that modest salary goes further than the five grand plus you get a month in the U.S., you know, in terms of the cost of living being so much greater here.
	Your thought?
	The point is the following.
	When people first immigrate, they have to send money home.
	First of all, these people are used to living on a lot less.
	They will not have direct TV subscriptions, Netflix and all that.
	They will pay rent.
	Otherwise, they will not eat out.
	They cook at home.
	They're from a tradition where it's just no Starbucks, no eating out, nothing.
	They will live on the bare minimum and send a lot of money home.
	And then for that family, it's like living like kings.
	And for the person who is the immigrant, and I know that very well because we were in this situation.
	We were legal immigrants or legal expatriates from Romania to Germany, but we still send money home.
	Now, for the person who's in that country where you can earn money or she, they will work their ass off because they have elderly parents, cousins, aunts, just four, right?
	Siblings and so on.
	So what it is, it's about slave labor.
	For the Indians, it's a phenomenal opportunity, right?
	But for the Americans, they are being replaced by slave labor, by people who are willing to work And remember, it's about the expectation.
	Once you've covered rent and food, these people have no other expectations.
	They don't want to be able to afford Starbucks or Nike trainers or whatever is part of consumerism.
	Nothing.
	It's food and shelter, right?
	The rest they'll take care of.
	So, you know, how much does that cost per month?
	It doesn't cost $5,000.
	It costs maybe $2,000.
	You know, I have people I know, single moms who live on less than $2,000.
	So they can send $3,000 home.
	And for them, it's a win-win.
	Or they will work for half that.
	They'll work for $3,000.
	An American would could only work for $5,000.
	Right?
	So what it really is about, it's taking everybody from the lowest cook and cleaner all the way to the high-tech programmer And everybody, all the Indians will think we have a great salary and it will be something like half what they would have to pay in America.
	That's what it's about.
	And yesterday, one of these Trump, Team Trump accounts published an old video from Trump where Trump is talking about these H-1B visas, I think during his first administration or as he was running for president the first time.
	And he's talking about how he, of course, has all these H-1B people because he's a businessman, but he says it's ridiculous.
	It's ridiculous.
	It's really screwing the American worker, you know?
	And that was republished by Team Trump just yesterday.
	I think I can even dig it out.
	Oh, was it?
	Oh, I'd love it if you could pull that up.
	Give me a few moments because Trump knows this, you know?
	And the thing is, remember when Dave Chappelle quoted him on saying, I think it was on the debate stage when he said...
	To Hillary, I know the system is rigged because I'm using it, right?
	It's about the tax code, it's about all these loopholes, and it's about the cheap labor.
	Hang on, let me just bring it up.
	I'm pretty sure it was on TrueSocial.
	Give me just one moment.
	And it's kind of phenomenal because Trump really talks about this in detail.
	And says exactly what these things are about.
	So, okay, bottom line though is that when Elon Musk is, and this is my biggest problem with Elon Musk, Elon Musk has never been voted for by anybody.
	Nobody, not even people on X. They didn't vote for him.
	He bought X. He didn't get a single vote, right?
	He doesn't represent we the people.
	Trump got the mandate.
	He got all these millions of votes.
	Elon Musk didn't.
	Elon Musk is in for himself and for the military-industrial complex.
	That's my take.
	And he will lord it over Trump every which way he can get away with it.
	And I have a whole laundry list of things that he already did, right?
	I will get back to the H1B, but just briefly, give me a moment to rattle it down to put it into context.
	The very first thing he did is...
	Elon Musk, first of all, was nowhere in the landscape anywhere because he was supporting the Democrats.
	He was nowhere to be seen.
	Or he was quietly supporting the Republicans.
	But really, he changed everything with one interview that he did with Trump on X. That's it.
	He did one interview.
	Catherine, we got a break while we set things up and you are the host.
	We'll be right back with Dr. Catherine Horton.
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	Well, my guest today, Dr. Catherine Horton, and I are currently addressing Elon Musk's role in the government when he's an unelected friend of the president, but it seemed to be exerting a remarkable influence over decisions the president-elect is making.
	and especially Regarding these special visas for people with technical competence that are being allowed entry because they can't find comparably qualified individuals in the United States.
	Catherine, what have you come up with?
	So I found the clip that one of these Team Trump accounts published two days ago about Trump himself talking about his H-1B visas.
	And I just would like to say, it's 30 seconds long, but very instructive, I think.
	So let me share this.
	Okay, I hope you guys can see the screen.
	I want to point out the account that published it.
	It's called, on True Social, it's called At Il Presidento.
	Okay, it's one of these, it looks like a parody account, but it has behind the scenes footage that they publish from his rallies, you know, that are from behind the curtain.
	So it's basically, I think, people who travel with him and publish these little clips as advertising for him.
	By the way, this is the account that had that ace of spades we discussed in another show, you know.
	But anyway, so it's a very close account to him.
	And they published this footage on December 28th at 8.26pm.
	If people want to look it up, here's also the serial number of the posts.
	In this 36-second video, Trump basically explains his stance on H-1B visas.
	I know the H-1B very well, and it's something that I frankly use, and I shouldn't be allowed to use.
	We shouldn't have it.
	Very, very bad for workers.
	And second of all, I think it's very important to say, well, I'm a businessman, and I have to do what I have to do, and it's sitting there waiting for you, but it's very bad.
	It's very bad for business in terms of it's very bad for our workers and it's unfair for our workers and we should end it.
	Very importantly the Disney workers endorsed me as you probably read and I got a full endorsement because they're the ones that said and they had a news conference and they said he's the only one that's going to be able to fix it because it is a mess.
	All right.
	So that's basically his stance on it, right?
	Or was his stance on it when he made those statements, which sounded utterly sincere.
	I mean, I was convinced.
	Listening to that, I'd say, wow, those visas are dead in the water.
	But now you've got Musk entering the fray, and Musk is an enthusiast for them.
	You know, denigrates American workers as retarded, incapable of handling these kind of tasks.
	I mean, how's this going to play out, Catherine?
	Okay, so here's the thing.
	I wish I had this tweet ready.
	So what Elon Musk actually said, somebody else, one of his programmers, Summarize this debate about the H-1B visas.
	And, you know, one scam says, yes, but we need those highly qualified people.
	And the other side says, why don't you hire Americans?
	And the response is, well, because you guys are retarded.
	And then in the process, we found out that some people really don't like Indians.
	That was the tweet or post on X by his technical guy, his programmer.
	And then Elon Musk said, yep, that sums it up or something to that effect.
	But he didn't specifically say Americans are retarded.
	He agreed that that is what the discussion is about.
	Now, in all honesty, And now I don't want to be like Elon Musk at all, but when I came to the US, I was shocked, shocked how uneducated people were.
	And the US is the sixth country I live in, in my life.
	It is shocking how bad the educational system is.
	But there are 300, what, 37 million, around 340 million Americans.
	You don't tell me That you can't find a bunch of a handful of technical guys.
	That is not what it's about.
	Also, because I've lived in five other countries, I have seen this debate before in the UK, in Germany and in Switzerland.
	Now, UK is getting a bit crappy, but Germany and Switzerland have amazing educational systems.
	One of the highest educational standards in Europe.
	Very serious people, very well qualified, very serious school, loved it, right?
	So it's not an issue that they don't have, you know, that the Swiss or German programmers are retarded, but they are expensive!
	And we had the exact same discussion in Germany and in Switzerland in the past, and they said the exact same things of why they have to import Indians.
	Right?
	So it's not about being retarded or not.
	Yes, it could be that the whole school system is, you know?
	You're saying even in these highly educated countries they're still importing Indians because they're so good at this?
	I mean, that's the genetic benefit that Indians have that others don't.
	That's fascinating.
	Well, here's the thing.
	It's not about the Indians, though, because think about it.
	When you have a highly developed nation, highly developed, highly technical, very good school across the board and very good universities, why would you have to go to something that's maybe not quite a third world country, but still a second world country?
	It's not about the education.
	It's not about that they cannot find them.
	It's just that they want to make even more money and they have this option.
	Right?
	It's just about the money.
	It really is ruthlessly about the money.
	And Elon Musk pretty much knows this.
	And I was trying to highlight it.
	So average income 387 in India, 5680 in the US. You can do arbitrage about people's time and effort and willingness to work for slave labor.
	You can pay them two-thirds, 50%, 30% even because back home they would earn 7%.
	Right?
	So between a hundred and seven percent, you can dial it down and anything you offer them, they're going to say yes.
	Right?
	And also because they are people dependent on them and on this money, you can do anything you want with them.
	No sexual harassment allegations.
	No, my boss looked at me funny allegations.
	None of that crap because these people are desperate.
	They want people who are desperate and are willing to work to any amount of money.
	That's all it's about.
	You know?
	That's the whole H-1B debate.
	Trump knows it, but also Elon Musk knows it.
	Trump at least said the truth once and his own team reposted what he said.
	So he was reminded, right, he stands by it.
	Otherwise, they wouldn't have reposted it.
	They could have let it just slip it up.
	But they reposted it two days ago.
	But Elon Musk, in my view, and absolute honesty, is a huge threat.
	And I am still a huge Trump fan.
	I think I kind of see what he's getting at, even when it looks murky.
	I think I can see his path.
	But Elon Musk, I have so many red flags, starting with the fact that he basically bought himself Super intimate, 24-7 access with one interview and about $500 million that he actually put into the campaign.
	That's peanuts for somebody like him, right?
	Then, he also took a month off to campaign for Trump in Pennsylvania.
	My question is, when you're running several super high-tech companies, how the hell can you do that?
	You can only do it if you're not the guy running these companies.
	You are a front.
	They hire very competent managers, of course, Catherine.
	Of course they do, but even so, the thing is...
	All these bigwigs, the guys at the real top, do that.
	And they get him at the Wharton School.
	Trump himself is a graduate of Wharton and other excellent places, you know, Harvard, MBAs and all that.
	There's one thing, though.
	There's one thing.
	If Elon Musk were the genius that Trump claims him to be, which he absolutely is not, that's a complete fraud, right?
	If you run a real estate company, you can trust people like a construction company.
	You can delegate a lot more.
	Even then, I remember Trump specifically saying when he visited North Carolina that he used to come and pick out the furniture for his places himself.
	He didn't delegate that.
	When it had to look good, there was quality control.
	Now, when you're running a tech company with programmers, oh my gosh, if you delegate, it goes bottom up.
	The more technical, the more hands-on it is.
	So if you're having three or four high-tech companies, and let's just remember, this is rockets, Which is really NASA's purview.
	It is brain-computer interfaces, which is DARPA, and has been working on forever.
	And then it's things like Tesla, the whole globalist green energy electric cars bullshit, right?
	These are all high-tech companies.
	You are much more hands-on than if you run a construction or real estate company.
	And Trump needs to understand this.
	I think this is how Big Pharma misled him with Operation Warp Speed.
	Because in construction, you can hire more guys and get the job done quicker.
	In science, that's absolutely not how it works because you only have so many people that have IQ 160. That need to figure shit out.
	And you can't replace one guy with 160 IQ with two guys who have IQ 80. It just doesn't work like that.
	And science and biotech stuff is very fickle.
	So you can't really predict when you will succeed releasing a vaccine if you do it properly.
	So anyway, so he has to understand this, that when anybody who has been in a tech field looks at this and says, it's bullshit.
	The guy is a front.
	As much as the Google people were a front.
	Behind it, it was NSA technology and CIA and NSA were running the whole show, you know?
	So, and then in he comes, and if you give me just two more minutes on the Elon Musk thing, because it's a huge deal.
	He came in with just an interview and 500 million bucks, right?
	Then he appeared at the Butler Rally.
	Before that already, he was wearing a black hat, so he hijacks the MAGA symbol, the red Make America Great Again cap that has been The symbol during the first presidency, and still is.
	It's the movement symbol.
	He hijacks it and dons a black cap.
	Black cap, like black hat, operative.
	That means something in the entire tech world, and it's not nice.
	And then, to top it off, at the Butler rally, when Trump went back to Butler, he didn't just have a black hat.
	He had this gothic writing, this Nazi-style bond.
	Right?
	1930s font.
	And then he goes on and he declared that he is dark and gothic maga at the very rally that was about fighting darkness and was dedicated to Kori Komprato and the other victims.
	It was sick!
	Beyond that, he started jumping up around on the stage behind Trump so that the press photos taken from below the stage show him above Trump, like eclipsing Trump.
	And in this entire covert world, all these symbols mean something.
	And then to top it off, if that weren't bad enough, let me just show you his tweet.
	Can you guys see this?
	This is Mason tweet, alright?
	I can't actually see the date and time when it appeared because I've got the control button.
	It's November 6th, 2024. Yes, so this was, thank you, this was way after the election when he has access to Trump, right?
	November 26th.
	But this picture, first of all, is the motto of the Freemasons.
	This Novus Ordo Seclorum means a new order for the ages.
	It's the new world order for the ages.
	And also, if people...
	Let me just show you where this quote appears.
	It appears on the fake-ass fiat currency, the US dollar, Novus Ordo Seclorum.
	New order for the ages.
	Illuminati, the banking crime cartel.
	And this was huge.
	It was so sick and in your face.
	But the whole Illuminati and the banking crime cartel and all these Freemasons They are deeply into covert signals, covert, you know, signaling, cartel signaling to their members.
	So when you look at this image, it's even more insulting because it was taken on Trump's private property and it shows Elon Musk's bloodline towering over Trump and little X, right?
	The name of the kid is a study in clinical psychology in itself.
	But he's making the symbol of the cross, which is, I mean, probably just by accident, but this image was carefully selected for this photo op.
	So he just happens to be making the symbol of the cross, which is the Vatican The Vatican symbol, who is the owner of the Freemasons.
	So tell me, after this shit, this accumulated shit spanning weeks, I don't trust him one bit.
	And along comes he with this H-1B thing.
	So people need to understand, Elon Musk is in for himself and he's not afraid to basically lord it over Trump.
	That's what really pisses me off, the Trump supporter.
	Yeah, I think of Musk as an irresistible force.
	Trump may be not an immovable object.
	I mean, I like the reaffirmation, the fact that they rebroadcast what he said about the visas.
	I think that was very important because Musk had been so emphatic about wanting them to remain.
	I don't know.
	The hat thing, it bothers me more than anything else.
	In fact, he'd wear a black hat instead of a mega hat.
	That's bad.
	Very bad.
	That's bad.
	The Freemason logo is very bad.
	Very, very bad.
	And announcing the very first sentence that came out of his mouth was, I am dark and gothic, Maga.
	Like, seriously?
	You are the enemy.
	That's basically what he announced.
	Yeah.
	Electric cars are a fiasco.
	I mean, as a toy for the rich.
	I mean, as a luxury item, you know, to cruise around in your electric car.
	But there are millions sitting on lots nobody wants to buy, and it's ridiculous.
	And the rape of the environment that takes place in producing electric cars overwhelms what happens with gas and oil and conventional cars.
	Automobiles.
	I mean, there's no contest.
	So those who are promoting green based on electric cars are actually sabotaging their own agenda, if it were sincere.
	Yeah, which is not.
	Another thing I would like to point out as a physicist about electric cars, they are appalling if you want to get anywhere, especially when it's, you know, minus temperatures, like really freezing cold somewhere in most of the U.S. in winter.
	So they don't really run that well or you can't charge them.
	The other thing is they become death traps.
	They are excellent death traps because when something breaks, everything shuts down.
	You can't open doors, windows, nothing.
	It's all electrical.
	And if it gets wet, Even just slightly, it basically burns your life.
	There's a home surveillance video footage of actually a rich guy and the only thing that happens is that his property got flooded a little bit, not North Carolina style, just like meh.
	It touched the underside of the car and the car caught fire and the car was sitting in the middle of water and it basically just burned down.
	You know, and nobody can put it out because lithium just keeps burning underwater, you know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's a catastrophe.
	It is.
	Catherine, while I have you here, I want to indulge in a little discussion about some areas right near bailiwick, about CERN, for example, and related issues, because I have...
	Three individuals I'm dealing with who are making claims about CERN that I find disconcerting.
	Hit me with it.
	I actually lived and worked at CERN for quite some time.
	Not for a very long time, but enough to debunk this stuff.
	Hit me with it.
	Well, some of this has to do with, you know, multi-dimensions, you know.
	I mean, as a philosopher, I contemplate possible worlds, you know, futures we could have from here if any processes are probabilistic.
	Yes, you could have one direction or another.
	We're not talking about butterfly effects, you know, very small changes having large consequences.
	That's trivial.
	But talking about different histories from a time T1 projecting to a future time T2 in the distant.
	But that's not what they're really talking about.
	They're talking about multi-dimensions.
	They're talking about something beyond Height, weight, depth, and time.
	I mean, there are four well-known dimensions, but they're talking about something completely different, and it gets into, in some cases, talk about fallen angels and the like, things that I find is...
	Where should I start?
	Anything you can shed light on here, because frankly, I've been baffled at a loss as to how to deal with it.
	Okay, here's the thing you need to know.
	Let's start with, because I get to hear these things all the time as well.
	And the hardest thing for me is to know where to start to debunk all this, all right?
	So let me just start with what you mentioned first, the multiverse stuff.
	Number one, it is just a theory.
	It is a theory.
	Somebody in a Harvard, Penn State type of little echo chamber dreamt up one day and it got publicity simply because they are connected to people who will just, Spread it to please them, okay?
	There's not a shred of evidence, concrete evidence, that any multiverses exist.
	So this is like, I'm talking about the one where everything that could happen plays out in some parallel universe sort of bullshit, right?
	That's the pure multiverse, not extra dimensions that are over here.
	It's the multiverse stuff.
	So the multiverse stuff, there's not a shred of evidence.
	It's just one idea.
	The other thing people need to understand is that when you're an experimental particle physicist, I have to create an experiment to test stuff that people want tested.
	And I only base my pronouncements on evidence.
	The theoretical particle physicists are paid to dream up anything they can dream up all day long.
	And there is, for every theoretical physicist, there are about a hundred theories that he can come up with, serious theories that are worth checking.
	So there are a myriad theories.
	There are much more serious ones and much kookier ones than the multiverse even, but none of them are tested.
	And basically, Pookie theories or like enticingly possible theories are like pebbles at the beach.
	There are so many, but what is very scarce is actual concrete proof from experiments.
	So as far as experiment is concerned, the only big step forward was the Higgs boson.
	That's it.
	And I left particle physics because I realized that the next big step forward might be 15, 20 years out.
	All right?
	Don't hold your breath.
	That's it.
	I'm also baffled by the idea of time travel and so forth.
	No evidence.
	Again, not a shred of evidence.
	And when you have these...
	I don't see how it's even possible.
	I mean, time is measured by periodic physical processes.
	I mean, you know, 24 hours, Earth rotating on its axis, a month, the moon traversing a year.
	I mean, all those are well known.
	Where the most reliable turns out to be the cesium clock, which is a universal standard in science because of its periodicity, its regularity.
	But I mean, when you talk about reversing time or going back in time, it boggles the mind.
	I can't see any way it could be positive.
	It's great science fiction.
	It's fun, but also another thing that people forget, because when they talk about traveling back in time, nobody would freaking care for one nanosecond if traveling back in time were only possible for, let's say, an electron or positron while they exchange a photon and Maybe you're a little quantum leap back to an adjacent spot of space-time.
	Nobody would care about that because it's so boring and dorky.
	You wouldn't even notice.
	What they're talking about is entire fully dressed people traveling back to Jesus' time.
	That's usually, or back to, I don't know, talk to Isaac Newton and stuff like that.
	Now, what you need to realize is that it's not just travel back in time.
	You have to travel back in space because, as you said, the Earth rotating around its axis So if I want to get back to this room yesterday, the room might be on the other side of the Earth if I get the hour wrong, right?
	Also, we're moving around the solar system, right, around the Sun.
	So we are moving thousands and thousands of miles without noticing in just five minutes.
	Then the entire galaxy is rotating.
	So if you want to get back to planet Earth at the previous time, you actually have to travel in distance millions of miles.
	Alright?
	It's not just like, oh, I'm still here.
	It looks like I'm here and five minutes later, I'm still here.
	No.
	Five minutes later, the Earth has rotated, the galaxy has rotated, and I am thousands of miles over there.
	Right?
	Most people don't take that into account.
	Actually, you know, I would define...
	Science fiction as hypothetical scenarios are consistent with the laws of nature, but they're talking fantasy, because what they're describing isn't even consistent with the laws of physics.
	So, you know, where do we go from there?
	Now, it gets blended with what appear to be theological views about You know, God.
	I mean, I'm an agnostic.
	No evidence.
	No evidence.
	You can't prove God's existence or non-existence.
	But the idea of these fallen angels, I hear that surprisingly often.
	What are they?
	What are fallen angels?
	I mean, these are from different sources I deal with.
	You know, I'm just puzzled and perplexed.
	Just ask them, what is the evidence?
	Where are they?
	Concrete evidence, photographs, audio recordings, video recordings, can we meet the people?
	You know, that sort of stuff.
	Because what I have found is when the intelligence agencies deploy plants or disinfo agents, these are like...
	Bullshit machine guns.
	Every sentence out of their mouth takes me about 10 minutes to debunk with background information.
	You really have to understand how science is done, how particle physics actually works, how quantum mechanics works to debunk some of this stuff.
	But what these people do is they will postulate one thing, one thing, one thing, one thing, and the longer you listen, the more you buy in.
	It's a psychological buy-in.
	And one hour later, nobody dares to go, okay, can we go back to sentence number one?
	Because I didn't understand that one bit.
	So, I don't know.
	I mean, I've never seen evidence of fallen age rules.
	Another one I also get a lot is that CERN is opening portals or black holes.
	That's a bit more funny because a portal could be anything.
	Now, CERN... Absolutely, 100% is not opening black holes, and I can guarantee you that, and that's because the processes that happen inside the accelerator vacuum tube happen on Earth all the time as a result of cosmic radiation, which is much, much more energetic than CERN can ever produce.
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	To speak with Katherine Horton and myself, we have a first caller from the 816. Brian, is that you?
	Join the conversation.
	All this just drives me nuts because people don't do what they need to do to find out the truth, okay?
	Okay, to give you an idea, and you won't believe this, but I'll just tell you anyway so you have something to think about when it comes to fallen angels, time, all this stuff, okay?
	I was screwing around with all this stuff and discovered sexual magic.
	What you do is you find somebody who's hot, And you take a quartz crystal.
	You have to purify it by putting it out in moonlight and soaking it in olive oil and salt.
	And then you get a picture of whoever it is that you want to be with.
	And for the hell of it, I said, I'm going to just choose Cleopatra.
	She's hot.
	So I did this, and I got all my computers chanting, okay?
	You have to chant because the time that we have is bullshit, okay?
	And obviously, if I'm with Cleopatra, that kind of proves it.
	And my third eye and my telepathy work.
	So I get around and I have this affair with her, and she shows up and I can see her out of my third eye.
	She's got something that looks like an old muumuu from the 60s on with some scenery on it with this weird crown.
	And afterwards, she said, if I find out you're one of my slaves, I'll have you beheaded.
	And I laughed.
	And then she said, look, in this lifetime, my name is...
	I'll just say that there's a Z in her name and she's an actress in Hollywood.
	And she said she's married to a Jew and he's getting ready to suck her energy where she will no longer be of a light.
	Call her in.
	So I did.
	I called her in and I told her that we had to have some love affair thing and she goes, I don't think so.
	Well, she came back a few days later and said, Yeah, I agree.
	We need to have this.
	So I had 10 days with her.
	And I would drive around with her.
	She's next to me in the car.
	She had to interlock her fingers with mine to keep track of me.
	Did you name the actress, Ryan?
	We would know her.
	You would know her.
	You should be able to figure it out.
	See, the souls don't know you're doing this.
	So I'm in the car with her.
	And I get a call from my ex-wife and she says, they're saying our daughter is bipolar.
	And this girl, who's this actress, who's just super hot, I called her in at 25, and she said, well, I'm bipolar.
	And she just goes on and on about being bipolar.
	So when I got home and after the 10 days and she's gone, I get on the internet, I look her up, and sure enough, it says on the internet she's bipolar.
	Okay?
	And I also did this with another famous person.
	I called her in at 18. I make myself look 23. And I said, well, she's a little young.
	Tomorrow night I'm going to call her in at 20. So I call her in at 20 years old, and the first thing she says to me is, where have you been for the last two years?
	She was mad at me.
	Because see, our time isn't real time.
	And when I'm doing this, in a lot of ways it's better than here because there I'm in reality.
	Here it's illusion.
	So that's just one example.
	The time like you know it doesn't exist.
	We're not in reality.
	So that's what I'll tell you.
	Oh, and by the way, Elon Musk, there's a picture of him with a red Breastplate on and on the bottom of it is an upside down cross which means he's the Shabbat and Frankest and they're the worst of the worst and I'm sure that cross he saw that he was making whatever it would be an upside down cross like I saw on Melinda Gates and a lot of these other people and on that episode Of
	inconvenient truth where you went to, it's a wonderful world.
	I don't know if you noticed, but when he was talking to the banker at his desk, there was a pyramid sitting on the banker's desk.
	So I always, you know, get that kind of stuff.
	So that's what I have to say.
	Well, Brian, you're an endless source of fascination, I gotta say.
	Well, you know, they can say, oh, I don't believe it, but man, it's real.
	What I'm doing, it's real.
	One day I did it, and I screwed it up because I didn't have a picture of this person, and I'm in bed, and I thought I was with this person, and suddenly, in the physical room, I could see this girl with me, and her eyes were two black cubes.
	And I said, well, I didn't get who I thought I was going to get.
	So that's it.
	That's all I'll say.
	You have quite a fascinating life, Ryan, I gotta say, Catherine.
	I have two comments about this.
	I have heard stories like these where people see all sorts of stuff.
	Typically, it can be done two ways.
	Number one, drugs.
	So I would love to know what you're smoking in those sessions.
	But also number two, but much more seriously, I just decide.
	This can also be done with sophisticated neurotechnology.
	So I have victims who quite, I mean, I'm talking professional victims.
	These are IT programmers, you know, lawyers.
	Typically they are female because most of the victims of the intel agencies are female.
	But the people I have in mind, they very seriously and very accurately described seeing things.
	So, and it became clear that what they actually refer from this whole thing in some details that it is...
	Visual effects that can be brought about by implants that people don't even know that they have.
	For example, there's a company called, I think it's called Omega Ophthalmics, and they make eye implants whereby you can have, you know, once you have this lens implant, it's just as easy as putting in a replacement lens.
	But also there's different technologies that's like a mini screen on top of the already existing lens.
	You can You know, have overlays of extra information that you can pull from the internet.
	And that's a technology that's now being sold commercially.
	We're not talking, oh, black technology somewhere and, you know, some black project in the military that's going to stay classified for 30 years.
	This is stuff that people can buy.
	The company Omega Ophthalmics.
	So they have an entire, on YouTube, advertising and demonstrations of what it kind of looks like when you have these eye implants.
	But what the victims report to me is very sophisticated virtual reality sort of movies that are also interactive.
	So if they say something or think something, the whole environment changes.
	Now that can be done with implants that are mini EEG under the skull.
	I have found many victims that have these chip implants.
	They are radio frequency emitting, so you can find them with a bug detector and so on.
	Now, also in this book, Global Brain Chip and Mesogens that I keep talking about, in the very back, the author has a way to check for these eye implants using ultraviolet light.
	And it creates this Eye of Horus effect according to the author here.
	So there's ways to actually check for sophisticated technology that can play virtual reality movies in your head.
	Now the other details that were just described here It fits the current cabal perfectly because it involves a Hollywood actress and some sex acts.
	Well, that is just like the old Hollywood, you know, sex cult cabal thing.
	And sure, they can film it.
	Sure, they can, you know, farm it out.
	And a lot of these actresses really are being sex trafficked for money.
	So, hey, it fits perfectly.
	Somehow, mysteriously, it fits with the already existing...
	The only elements that are missing is people's knowledge about just how sophisticated implants have become.
	For me, it sounds like the intel agencies are messing with you quite frankly.
	Well, with Brian...
	Can I say something?
	Yeah.
	Can I say something?
	Brian, let me just interject.
	Yeah.
	Oh, a lot of Brian's reports are to me fantastic.
	I can attest to his sincerity.
	He absolutely believes everything he's telling us.
	Go ahead, Brian.
	She's not of the light.
	That's where the problem comes from.
	There are two groups of people on this world.
	There are people of the light, like you, like me.
	Then there are people like her and Kevin Barrett.
	They're not of the light, okay?
	And they're going to believe all this bullshit.
	Brian, Helen, Helen, why?
	Am I of the light?
	I mean, intellectually, I'm closer to Catherine by far than I am.
	No, I know who you are.
	You're the light.
	Okay, it's easy for me to check.
	All I have to do is telepathically connect to her, which I did when you had her on once before, and I said, are you of the light?
	And she goes, no, I don't want anything to do with the light, whatever.
	That's what I get.
	I get people that call me all the time.
	Well, not all the time, but a lot of times.
	And there are people like you and me and they'll say, what I need to know is this person of light, okay?
	And then I will just call that person in telepathically.
	And it's amazing, when they're really bad, my heart just gets hit with all this hate, okay?
	They just hate me.
	And they'll say, F you, I don't want anything to do with you, whatever.
	They'll talk to me and then I'll call them back and I'll say, look, That person is not of the light.
	Just stay away from them.
	I do this quite frequently.
	When you say a person is of the light, what does that mean?
	Well, it gets into God again and you don't believe in all that.
	One day you're going to find out, Jim.
	All you have to do to figure this out is do Kundalini Yoga Chakra Dhyana twice a day.
	It's what the Buddhists do.
	And they don't have any brain implants and all this electronic stuff and all this bullshit he's talking about.
	They've been doing it forever.
	And there's no one, you know, saying that, oh, those Buddhists, they've got brain implants or the CIA's screwing with them.
	And when you start saying this stuff, then you find out there's a lot more to this reality.
	It's like you remember me talking about the Willendorf Venus figurine and that's how That, when you use it properly, you get rid of all these timelines.
	And I tried to order one.
	Okay, well what happens is my order got canceled and I get a bullet through the front of my house that just misses my head.
	And I sense that's them telling me, don't be screwing around with this stuff.
	So I didn't order it again.
	But I can explain all that.
	I can explain to you King Tutankhamun.
	I can explain to you the Golden Calf.
	I can explain the Ark of the Covenant.
	All of these things have to do with With basically quantum mechanical essence, Holy Spirit, and what they were doing to manipulate.
	And she won't believe that she's not of the light.
	I don't even want to talk to her.
	Yeah, I'm sure because I'm demanding evidence.
	She is my guest, Brian.
	I want to ask Brian about fallen angels, because I do not understand the concept.
	But first, Catherine, your thoughts and responses.
	Everything I've heard so far, there's not a shred of evidence.
	It is assertions.
	Now, I can also sit down and call into any show and just make assertions all day long.
	The question is, you know, at some point, The rubber has to meet the road, okay?
	So the world I come from, the world of science, actually makes planes fly.
	Engineering, physics, so planes have to stay up in the air.
	And when I meet these people, I get a bunch of assertions, but there's nothing.
	Like, show me something concrete.
	Like, something actually material.
	Oh, I can show you concrete.
	I can show you concrete.
	Okay?
	The whole diamond.
	That was taken out of a monastery in India, stolen, and the monks put a curse on it to the guy that ripped it off, and everyone who touched that diamond after that ended up dead or having serious problems, and that's why the Smithsonian Institute has it.
	The people that Open the burial mounds in China that had the terracotta warriors, all of them died.
	The people that screwed around with the Arcata I think is the name of the Spanish galleon that sank in the Caribbean.
	There was a curse put on that galleon and it sank in a storm.
	Only five people survived when that treasure was found.
	Only there were five people that died.
	Five people lived back then.
	Five people died when they found it.
	I've had all kinds of things happen.
	And the physical that I won't even tell you because you'd never believe it.
	You just would go, oh, there's no evidence.
	Well, I'm looking at it and I'm seeing it, but I can't talk about it.
	Look, I need concrete evidence, concrete cases worked through.
	The other thing is everything you mentioned has already knowledge we have.
	For example, that the Dalai Lama trained with the CIA in the US. He's not just a pedophile, he's a CIA operative.
	Oh, I agree!
	I agree, but he's not the Buddha.
	Come on, of course, they infiltrate everything.
	Of course, Dalai Lama is bad.
	He has nothing to do with the original Buddha.
	Okay, but you know, in all this one has to look at actual concrete cases and try to establish what exactly is happening because all the things that the taking of artifacts, there's a huge ginormous undercover industry about the theft of artifacts.
	So if you excavate any Chinese grave Right?
	The biggest and best business plan would be to kill everybody who actually saw the original and replace it with clay figures you made overnight.
	Right?
	And steal the originals and sell it to some rich people.
	So, you know, when you go into the whole artefact or the art markets in general, there's a lot of murder.
	A lot of classic or good old murder, you know, by the intelligence agencies and the mafia.
	Because these things can be used for money laundering.
	They hold value better than a fiat currency.
	So this is why the organized crime is using artwork and artifacts to basically make deals.
	Brian, let me take advantage of your presence here, and I was hoping you'd call in today, about fallen angels.
	What is the theory of fallen angels?
	What's that all about?
	Well, it would help.
	There is something called the Companion Bible.
	There's a St. James edition of it, and it was published in 1910 by Bollinger.
	And what it does is the Bible is full of deceit.
	You know, the darts get in there and they jack with the meaning of it.
	What this does is gives you the exact Hebrew translation of the Bible.
	And when you get the exact Hebrew translation before our friends screwed with things, you find that it says, in the beginning, the gods created the heaven and the earth.
	It didn't say God, okay?
	Elohim means gods.
	And who those gods are is Prometheus created the Sun, okay?
	Zeus created the planet Jupiter.
	Cronus created Saturn.
	This is all classic Greek mythology.
	Yes, yes.
	Gaia created Earth.
	Lucifer created Venus, okay?
	And what's going on is You basically got some of these gods that decided they were going to give dark energy.
	There's dark energy all over the universe.
	And they said, what would happen if we gave it consciousness?
	And in so doing, they created what we know as evil.
	Cronus got involved with it, who created Saturn, and he became so insane that his son Who created Jupiter, who is Zeus, had to kill him.
	Where come the fallen angels?
	Say again?
	Introduce the fallen angels.
	How do they fit into this scheme of things?
	Well, in order to incarnate here, okay, let's say you're Zeus and you need to incarnate, or let's use Prometheus because he's more interesting.
	The energy is too powerful.
	Okay, in fact, this gets into something that I won't mention because it's too unbelievable.
	But if you look up Carlos Castaneda on the internet and what he did, okay, I know someone who did that a few weeks ago and it just freaked him out when it happened to him.
	But I won't talk about it because she would be going, oh, you can't prove anything.
	But anyway, in order to incarnate here, You have to break your energy down 12,000 times if you're one of these gods.
	You can't just enter this physical body.
	It would just destroy you, okay?
	So, in the case of Prometheus, he broke down his energy 7,000 times, and one of those was Jesus Christ, the other is 6,900.
	999 were more Christ consciousness running around on the planet like your friend Greg Hallett or Jordan Maxwell or another one, believe it or not, is Michael Jackson or John F. Kennedy.
	They're all Christ consciousness or Adolf Hitler and part of why they have so much charisma and magnetism is who they are, okay?
	And in the case of Of the reincarnations of Jesus Christ.
	It's really powerful.
	Brian, Brian, Brian.
	Anyway, so those are the people.
	Fallen angels.
	Fallen angels.
	Well, they incarnate too.
	They incarnate too.
	Do you want me to give you some examples of fallen angels that have incarnated?
	What is the very concept?
	I don't get the very concept.
	Concept of fallen angels.
	Well, I'm explaining it, okay?
	They incarnate here in the physical, but they're cut off from source.
	So what they need to do is they get something called loose from us.
	When we give off energy from fear and pain and suffering, it's not divine energy.
	It's energy they harvest, and they're basically just gods that have Falling out of favor with the prime creator, and they're cut off from source, and they're using all this pain and suffering to keep living, okay?
	So how was Cleopatra, by the way?
	Well, the Z was a lot better, okay?
	The bipolar girl from Hollywood was just, oh, God, I had the best 10 days.
	I had every night for 10 days, and it was just wonderful.
	And if I'm implanted by the CIA, I say to them, thank you.
	Fascinating, Brian.
	I still don't quite get the fallen angel part, but I'll ponder.
	Katherine, your further thoughts?
	I mean, Brian's an endless...
	I know he can do endlessly, and at every single step I haven't heard any bit of evidence.
	But I heard this particular story so many times from a particular gang of people whom I absolutely all of them consider to be intelligence.
	And for me, it's a CIA script that I've never seen any evidence for.
	I mean, I can almost tell the key slogans that they will just push.
	For example, anything regarding CERN, which is the only thing that I can comment on, they'll say that we're opening black holes.
	That's actually more concrete than the portals, as I said.
	Black holes, no, we're not opening any black holes.
	And you can scientifically prove it because the cosmic radiation that hits Earth is much more energetic.
	If CERN could create, and it's a very specific situation, a black hole, then cosmic radiation would make black holes pop up around us all the time, but it doesn't.
	So it's not just sure that CERN hasn't created one.
	They cannot create a black hole.
	It is not possible.
	However, they have created a black hole in their pension fund.
	That I am absolutely certain of, right?
	So there's like really dark things about CERN, but they don't have anything to do with fallen angels, more about the exploitation of their workers, right?
	Now, there's other things about CERN that are definitely true that people don't know.
	Number one, it's an extraterritorial area.
	Like the Vatican, like the UN, right?
	Like the City of London.
	And it has a border with France and with Switzerland.
	So every time you go to work at CERN, you cross a country border.
	And it's called the Swiss Gate and the French Gate.
	You can come in from these two countries.
	Now that was on purpose when it was first created.
	Politicians were told to keep CERN neutral.
	It can't belong to any country.
	But of course, that's not the full story.
	It was created in exactly the same way as the Vatican and the UN and all these other happy places like the City of London.
	It's a research organization.
	Particle physics...
	People know...
	Hang on, Brian.
	To determine...
	I'm sorry.
	...sources of energy at the subatomic level, roughly.
	Yeah, so what it is, it's that you are colliding elementary particles, protons, and by smashing them together, the energy that's created will create other particles.
	So you can probe the protons themselves, but more importantly, the energy in the head-on collision has quantum mechanically enough energy available to create new particles and then the detector around the collision point is measuring these these new particles and they are not just these subatomic particles not just you know neutrons and protons and electrons it's an entire zoo of fancy particle states that don't actually exist in nature because they decay After just nanoseconds.
	And what we're using is the fact that they fly through the detected speed of light, that they live at least until they hit the tracking chamber, the calorimeters, and so on.
	And that's how we measure them and reconstruct the collision.
	But it's very sophisticated.
	And when it gets down to it, very boring.
	Very boring.
	There's no fallen angels.
	There's no energy portals.
	Absolutely nothing.
	But you can also...
	You're wrong.
	I have worked there for a very long time.
	Unlike you, I've actually been there.
	So absolutely no portals there.
	But then, when people start giving these speeches about sands and portals and don't provide any evidence, well, you can keep going all day long.
	I can provide evidence.
	Haven't heard any yet.
	I can give you evidence, okay?
	I've created portals.
	I can give you an example and the results of it.
	Where's the portal in CERN then?
	Tell me, where is the portal in CERN? I'm not talking about CERN. I'm talking about portals, creating portals.
	It has nothing to do with CERN. What kind of portals are you creating, Brian?
	Okay, what happened, I had a girl that lived here, and she was at the time 28, 29, and when she left, I would call her in.
	I've got her picture, and I would have my little thing going on with her.
	And after one of these sessions, I used my staffs.
	I told you about my staffs that are made out of mimosa trees.
	They've got quartz crystals on one end.
	On the other end, they have some Tommy stones or moldavite.
	And I used my mind and created a portal and brought energy in from these two staffs to her.
	She's lying in my bed in the non-physical, and I brought it to her stomach, okay?
	And she's living in a different state, and she didn't know I was doing this.
	And about ten minutes, five, ten minutes later, she called and she said, I think I'm pregnant.
	And I said, what do you mean?
	She said, I feel all this energy in my womb.
	She said, I just can't believe it.
	It just suddenly hit me.
	So I told her what I did, and guess what?
	She had a baby.
	Brian, Brian, love it all, love it all, love it all.
	So glad you called.
	We've run out for the day.
	Catherine, I can't thank you enough.
	Everyone out there, spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, and people you love and care about, because as we're all appreciating, we do not know how much time we have left.

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