The Raw Deal (25 Dec 2024) Fearsome Foursome Edition with Victor-Hugo Vaca and Joachim Hagopian
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Someone's younger than today.
I never need anybody's help in any way.
But now these days have gone out and I'm not so self-assured.
But now I'm finding a chain of mine.
I'm opening up the door.
Help me if you can, I'm feeling that.
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- Well, this is Jim Fetzer, your host on the Raw Deal.
It's 25th day of December, 2024, Christmas Day, right here on Revolution Radio Studio Be a fearsome, foursome addition with Joaquina Gopi and Victor Hugo Bach, and to join us yet, Russ Winter, whom we anticipate to be here shortly.
We gotta begin with crucial stories of our time, which, alas, turn out to revolve around The parties whom Victor refers to constantly as the Jews.
Here we have Joaquin Hagobian, The Real Jewish Problem.
Kazarian Mafia Rules Earth Through Deception, Planned Chaos and Destruction, Part One.
Then, The Real Jewish Problem.
Kazarian Mafia Rules Earth Through Deception, Planned Chaos and Destruction, Part Two.
And there's a Part Three, and would you believe confirming it?
We have Saturday Night Live having a sketch banned because it was about Israeli control of U.S. politicians.
We have a piece about Capitol Hill being occupied territory.
And we have another, Free America from AIPAC. Joaquin, you seem to be right on top of this issue.
Let me go there and read an opening paragraph, if I can make it.
This is all very significant, not overly pleasant, but real.
Our human history consists largely of non-stop fabrication in order to protect Ilum worshippers, that tiny group of descendants of the Nephilim fallen angels, and in actuality were the 12 to 15 foot extraterrestrials known as the Akunas who came down from the heavens In spaceships in present-day Iraq that colonized our planet nearly a quarter million millennia ago,
they never left and still are our shameful colonial overlords today.
Using Sumerian written cuneiform tablets along with ancient world traditions from about Five to 6,500 years ago, Philistine scribes of rabbis later began rewriting history, obscuring the hidden truth, changing Summers' multiple God-Ei references to the one God Yahweh formalized in the Hebrew Bible's Old Testament.
I've got to admit, Joaquin, I think until I read this, I had no idea of your belief in extraterrestrial visitation of past.
Could you expand upon that?
I find it hard to swallow.
Well, I think the majority of people nowadays actually do believe that we are not alone in this multiverse, that there are civilizations out there alive, intelligent, and technologically so developed that they have some interest in what goes on on this planet Earth.
Where humans tend to just be so self-destructive and they have concerns about our planet, basically Becoming dead.
You know, nuclear bombs, wars going on.
So they have a vested interest because, you know, it's a macrocosm where a change over here on this side of the multiverse does affect.
It's a holistic system where it affects other parts of the multiverse.
So, yeah.
And there's been so much evidence of UFOs Now, a lot of it is man-made.
They have reversed the engineering with anti-gravity technology so that they have a whole fleet of, quote, UFOs that are man-made, and they might even be having something to do with this whole big psyops going on with drones.
But The bottom line is there has been Majestic 12, which was the original space guys, the technology guys for conquering space, and they have married with the corporate world and the military world,
and they're extremely corrupt and evil, and they want to basically bring on another You know, alien invasion, ET, you know, I mean, the first NASA director,
who was a Nazi, by the way, Wernher von Braun, on his deathbed actually told his associate that there will be coming a time where the U.S. government will end up Staging a multiverse kind of UFO alien invasion that will be fake.
And that will be kind of like a last resort towards the one world government.
You know, Reagan himself said...
Back in the space wars and all of his era in the 80s, he actually said, the one thing that would unify humans would be an alien invasion.
So yeah, it's probably coming.
And then we have Stephen Greer, who's the He's an ET disclosure guy, a medical doctor, but he's spent, what, 40 years now investigating and researching the ET phenomenon.
And he just is coming out now on a lot of interviews saying that he has whistleblowers that are from special forces that have worked for this community.
Basically, illegal group out there that's forwarding this whole agenda with space and ET and all of this.
And they are ready to disclose some very dark secrets that have been going on.
And he said that that information will likely be coming out even prior to January 20th and the inauguration of Trump.
So he's expecting it to be probably in early or mid-January.
So we have a lot of things going on.
And, you know, I have to say that, as this article alluded to that you just read part of, Israelis is making its move.
And, of course, who owns Israel?
That is, of course, you just follow the money.
It's the Bank of London, the City of London, you know, the whole...
International banking cartel.
They pay off with bribery and sexual blackmail using the currency of children to gain control over the operatives in all the governments.
And we, as you just alluded to, we have a Zionist-occupied government in Washington.
They are not America first.
They are America last and primary...
Worship is basically the city of London, Israel.
They get their way every time.
Let me say I agree almost everything you said at the end, but I'm skeptical about parts of the earlier contributions.
Namely, I'm willing to go so far to say in Area 51 something very odd happened around 1948. I've read the report of Vannevar Bush.
I'm convinced we may have had an extraterrestrial event.
I've seen videos of small grays, and they looked authentic.
They didn't look fake, though it would be easy to fake.
I'm willing to accept.
I think it's probable that we have been visited by extraterrestrials.
The idea, however, that they're seeking to manage or orchestrate events, I find Very difficult to accept and I'm extremely skeptical about their role in the past in terms of ancient artifacts and all that.
I'll be fascinated to hear what Victor Hugo has to say because in some ways your remarks made his seem very modest and conservative by comparison.
Victor!
Well, Jim, you've inspired me to take a look at this through an agnostic and atheist perspective.
And what I've started to do is look at it not so much as aliens from outer space, but rather those that are amongst us here.
We are living in what we think is a third dimensional plane of existence.
But if you're following what's going on at CERN, they've actually found More than six or seven dimensions.
I think they're up to nine dimensions on this plane of existence.
And again, whether you believe in God or not, realize they're putting the information out there.
They're putting these clues out there.
They're looking for the God particle.
They just found something that's called fallen angel technology.
I don't know if you're aware that I had mentioned that previously, and you had said that you didn't believe in the fallen angels, but these people who are supposedly scientists, who just go by science, these are the names that they're using.
And the fallen angel technology, they've also found magic properties of quantum science.
And they're able to do these Problems that would normally take trillions of years to figure out and the reason why they're saying they're able to do this is because they're using Interdimensional beings to work out these equations.
They actually have these computers that are able to make computations, but they're communicating with interdimensional beings and they've actually bought these beings into this sphere of existence.
They're claiming that these are demons and that these demons are actually in the CERN and that the people that are working there are bringing these demons back in with them.
There's also artificial intelligence demons that have infiltrated the Internet.
So, you know, don't look at it so much as a spiritual or as a religious thing, but rather as a matter of fact, a matter of being.
When you're dealing with the quantum physics, we only see what our eyes allow us to see, but we don't understand that even just below us or on your desk, on your table, if you take a microscope, you'll see there's living creatures running around all over, even inside of our body.
And so these are the things that we are not understanding how they affect our Our circumstances, our daily lives.
So, you know, we're thinking of blue aliens or like these green creatures coming from outer space.
No, they're here.
You may have known about what happened during the Vietnam War, that they created these goggles that were not green, but rather red.
And what was happening is the people, when they were in the helicopters, they started shooting because they were seeing these flying demons.
And they actually outlawed the substance that makes those goggles.
Have you heard about that, Jim?
I have not.
No, go right ahead and say more.
I've done a report on that.
I'll send it to you.
Yeah, the soldiers in the Vietnam War were freaking out because as they were flying, they were seeing these flying demons, creatures coming at them.
There are things around our realm that not everybody sees.
Some people have the ability to see them, some don't.
But they do exist.
And I don't know if you're aware of this, too.
The Vatican, on Christmas Eve, the Pope opened up portals.
And this is all happening at the same time with what's going on with CERN and with the AI and with the quantum physics and these fallen angel technology.
They actually have cameras that are live streaming these portals that are allegedly being opened underneath the Vatican.
And one of the portals is being opened in Lucifer's tomb.
Again, whether you believe the stories that Lucifer has been imprisoned in this tomb, I don't know.
But there's definitely something going on.
And the Vatican has a lot of its physicists and top scientists actually working in CERN. My relationship to CERN is when I was at Brooklyn Technical High School, I won a scholarship to spend the summer in Southampton, Long Island.
And I was at the university there, and I didn't understand.
It was supposed to be like a genius camp for kids in the summertime.
And I was invited because I was one of the inner-city kids.
So anyway, all I know is I was being trained by Nobel laureates and these people who were super smart.
And what they were doing is they were picking our brain as teenagers to understand quantum physics in a way that, since our minds were open and malleable, they would ask us questions.
All this stuff was going over my head, but there were geniuses surrounding me all over the place.
It was an intense summer.
I didn't realize later on that what I was involved in.
They told me it was CERN.
I didn't know what CERN was at the time.
But then later on, I was like, holy cow, man, like they were using us kids to help create CERN.
And that's always, they always do that as they recruit people at a young age.
So there's a lot of stuff going on right now.
And it has biblical inferences and biblical references because, and I agree.
The Bible has been rewritten and it's been totally bastardized.
But it is a historical document.
And whether you read the ancient texts of the Indians or you see, like I have the ruins in Copan and in Mexico and in Peru and Egypt.
I've been to all these places.
I've been to Jordan.
I've seen that there are...
Things that are not of this Earth, that don't look like human beings, that have been around in the past.
And they are somehow using us, whether it's for fuel, because there's a thing called the Lush, and it's a dark energy.
They feed off of our fear.
That's why they're constantly keeping us in fear.
So that's an energy source that these beings tend to feed off of.
And it's real.
And what's happening around us, allegedly...
The Jews have a Stockholm Syndrome because they were tortured by these Elohim.
And so they worshiped the Elohim.
And the Elohim put them in charge for when they'll come back.
And that's the Oumuamua that was seen recently.
It was shown by scientists.
They said that was not an asteroid, but it was also not something that was made naturally.
It was basically an unidentified flying object that was not natural.
So the Jews freaked out because they thought that this Oumuamua, the Elohim, were going to come back to earth by, I think, 2030. That's why they have the Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030, because they're supposed to have the population decreased by 2030 so that when the Elohim come back, I don't know what they're planning on doing, but that's when the Jews are supposed to get their 2,800 slaves.
So basically, the story goes that the Jews were left as the wardens on this prison planet until the Elohim come back.
And that's why you're seeing all this stuff rapidly progress, because of Oumuamua.
Oumuamua, I believe, is spelled O-U-M-U-M. Again, this happened just within the past two years that it was seen.
And that's why a lot of people in the Jewish community and in the science community are freaking out.
And that's why you see this.
Supposedly what happened with the Pope at the Vatican has never been done before.
Oh, and they're warning people, those who are in the know, not to look at the live stream.
Because they use the television, the airwaves, the transmissions, to put things into your mind.
You may not even realize what you're seeing, but they're influencing people, just like they do with the music and the movies.
They put subliminal stuff in there.
So you may be watching the live...
Feed from Lucifer's grave.
And you may be seeing visions of evil coming at you.
So I'm definitely not going to be looking at that.
I don't want to take chances.
But there's some weird stuff going on, Jim.
And whether you believe in God or not, they are messing with God particles, fallen angel technology, and And magic properties of quantum science.
All those things are real.
And you should look into them, Jim.
Especially, like I said, I'm looking at this as a non-believer.
I'm looking at this through an agnostic atheist view going, whoa, this is real.
Well, having earned my Ph.D. in 1970, over 50 years ago, I certainly can see advances in physics of which I was cared for unaware.
Now, I've done a great deal of research and publication on artificial intelligence.
Now I have multiple books.
I've found it in international journal, Minds and Machines, which became Huge success, and I edited it for over 10 years.
I don't see anything in the domain of artificial intelligence that's supportive of some of these claims.
I mean, it's a technique for dealing with large bodies of data, processing it in ways that would ordinarily require a human mind, but it's being done by mindless, unthinking machines, and I just worry a lot about Speculation that wanders off of a scientific reservation, I mean, it's well done to logicians.
The impossibility of falsifying an existential claim, the claim something of a certain kind exists, because to falsify, you'd have to actually explore all regions of space-time, past, present, future, which are unlimited.
You can't actually falsify such a claim, which causes me a great deal of concern from a logical point of view.
How do we know claims such as those you're advancing here are true?
What is the evidence we have to support it?
I'm open to your believing it, even believing it with great conviction.
How do you convince someone else that it's true?
Well, I'll tell you what I know isn't true, and this may blow your mind because I know you debated Dustin Nemos about the theory of evolution.
Did you hear that Darwin was actually paid by the Jews to create that as a way of getting rid of God?
Come on!
Come on!
I know a lot about evolution.
I have books on evolution.
I know there are simplified versions of evolution that are indefensible.
There are four mechanisms to generate variation in genetic patterns, which include genetic mutation, sexual reproduction, group, what's called genetic drift,
and artificial You know, genetic engineering, just as there are four mechanisms for selection as to which genes are perpetuated in future gene pools, which include natural selection, sexual selection, group selection, and artificial selection.
There are many simple-minded caricatures of evolution that are indefensible.
Darwin was totally authentic.
The idea he might have had financing from any source doesn't affect the significance of his findings in the Galapagos of the species, the variation, and his brilliant work initiating the theory of evolution, which had become very sophisticated.
If anyone wants to pursue what I'm talking about here, my book is entitled The Evolution of Intelligence.
Are humans the only animals with minds?
I'm talking about the evolution of mentality through species, and we find there are modes or varieties of mentality, and they're simpler or associated with a more primitive Species are more sophisticated with higher level, and ultimately human beings have the most sophisticated intellects, which is the reason we're the dominant animals on Earth.
But this has got nothing to do with financing.
That's a guilt-by-association argument that's a A fallacy, Victor, even if you are trying to dispute Darwin's scientific research and funding, it would have nothing to do with its validity as science.
I will send you some information that I respectfully would request that you, at the very least, just look into so that you can understand why it is that they wanted him to push that.
Realize there's always...
A reason behind what they do.
Another thing that, I don't know, you may know this, Einstein used to work for the patent office.
Did you know that?
He stole a lot of this.
Go ahead.
Einstein worked for the patent office.
Oh, Einstein.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he used to steal a lot of the patents because he worked there, so he would steal it.
And that whole E equals MC squared thing, scientists now are realizing that that's a bunch of malarkey.
And that was also created to throw people off from the reality of what actually exists, because they don't want us to know about these energies and these quantum physics and all this stuff that's now being discovered.
So that was just to keep us from understanding the free energy and all this stuff that has been known for we were actually you're talking about evolution.
We're becoming dumber.
We know less now.
You do realize they're dumbing us down.
I mean, all you have to do is read the comments on Bitchute and you'll figure that out.
Yeah, of course I know.
I mean...
Charlotte Isserby wrote a book about the dumbing down of America, fluoride in the water, all kinds of neurotoxins kill brain cells.
We know all that stuff.
I mean, that's old hat.
But the idea that species are evolving to be dumber, that would require selection of the elimination of the higher.
Well, there's some of that taking place for sure of the more able, the more intellectual, the more qualified, so their genes are not perpetuated.
It's not that it cannot be done.
By artificial selection.
Joaquin, let me bring you back in about all of the above.
Your thoughts.
I wrote an article for Global Research about 10 years ago called The Dumbing Down of America.
And it gets into those things you just alluded to.
But I also want to touch on something that Victor brought up about the portals.
I think these are portals basically for the dark side hell energy.
And like CERN, that whole concept that these scientists in this Swiss mountain, inside the mountain, all of this top secret shit, I think they're up to no good.
And the whole thing, it's very much related because it portals again to hell with what the Pope is doing now.
So we have some very malevolent evil forces, basically, that we've been talking about for a long, long time.
On this earth that has a lot of control and power, and they are using it against the human race and against our planet.
Said many times, I think with this whole zero carbon bullshit, they plan to get rid of humans and make it AI and basically have a very small cyborg kind of maybe a transhuman type creature.
And they don't want to have to deal with the humans.
Everything is being mechanized now to replace us, whether it's the alien invasions that are immediately replacing us and bringing down America, which I wrote about in the latest article.
Hold that up, Joaquin.
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I want to say more about the direction of evolution and how kinds of factors that can I want you to carry on, Joaquin.
Go right ahead.
You're in the midst of some rather complex thoughts.
Go forward.
Yeah, I was saying that initially they're replacing us with wide open borders for four years now.
Millions coming in.
And Europe's, you know, having the same migration crisis as well.
And this is all by design by the basically the City of London controllers.
And I just finished part three to the series that I've done now on the biggest Jewish problem.
And that part three focuses on a book that was written way back in 1951, 73 years ago, almost at three quarters of a century ago.
That was written by a...
He was a military officer in World War II, but he was a longtime professor at Southern Methodist University in Texas, Dallas, and English professor.
But he was privy to a lot of confidential, top-secret information, and he did a lot of research as a scholar.
And he wrote a book...
It's called the Iron Curtain over America.
And back in 1951, with all the information and knowledge that he gathered, he figured out that they are going to basically have the open border, mass migration, Of people that are not loyal to America,
that do not have the same religious or cultural backgrounds, and there's going to be basically a warfare with the flood of immigrants coming in.
He predicted this 73 years ago, and that it was designed to destroy America and the West.
And that's what we're seeing right now.
And it's part of their bigger picture to replace the human population.
Yes, yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I agree with all that.
Natural selection, Darwin talked about, really was just competition among conspecifics, members of the same species, where the faster, the more agile, the more sensitive to the environment is going to have a higher tendency, propensity to survive and reproduce and thus have their genes perpetuated in future gene pools.
A second level of selection is sexual.
When you have sexual reproduction among species, as with humans, what traits of the opposite sex are attractive to the members who therefore want to reproduce or have sex with him?
This is stuff all commonplace to men and women in America.
I don't need to elaborate.
The third is a group selection, the way in which a group organizes to benefit itself.
It's related to what are known as emergent properties, which have to do with the way you arrange a group or individuals, give them different positions or assignments to bring about different effects, like the difference between a rifle squad and Or just a team of rifle shooters,
you know, marksmen in competition versus being organized into a military unit, which might include supplementation, you know, and machine guns and the whole lot.
To lay down fields of fire.
When you take the same individuals, organize them into a squad, they can have different effects than the original.
Even with basketball teams, you know, I talk about the balls with Michael Jordan and Scotty Pickham and Dennis Rodman and so forth.
And even if you were just to shift their position, it would make a difference in the outcome, the average points they would score and all that.
Genetic drift comes into play which is when you have a population isolated geographically and they're all interacting in relation to the environmental variables that make a difference.
The evolution coming out of Africa, going north, inhibited climates that were very powerfully affected by the weather, whereas Africa was not.
So Africa is a very undemanding environment, you know, hunting, gathering.
You don't have to store up nuts for the winter, as a simple-minded version would happen.
When you've got to cope with changing weather conditions, it can affect life and survival.
You have to plan ahead.
That requires some forms of intelligence that weren't required or demanded of the symbol or environment.
What they're going on here with this massive influx is trying to dilute the gene pool in America to make us less cohesive, less intelligent, less capable of dealing with the environment.
They're definitely doing what you both alluded to is dumbing down.
There's no doubt about it.
A lot of this has been done by outside interference, right?
One form of artificial selection is mating a stallion with mares, right?
They do this in horse racing.
They got this stallion with great properties as a racehorse, so I pay big bucks to get that stallion to mate with mares, but it's done artificially.
The horses are not just Copulating among themselves by those they find attractive, you got outside interference, the owners of the horses who are doing that.
And in this case, the major players turn out to be the city of London and the Jewish because they're in mafia.
I think that's absolutely 100% correct.
And that the destruction of America is well on its way.
Mayorkas has just come out and admitted, yeah, he could have stemmed the flumb of migrants, but of course he's all in.
He's a part of the Jewish mafia.
He doesn't have any interest in America.
Nor do a whole lot of these other appointments, and I'm very, very concerned that Trump may not be acting in the best interest of America in making many of those he's appointing, too, who seem to be maybe even lunatics.
I describe Michael Huckabee Who thinks that, you know, we should talk about Judea and Samaria, not about the West Bank, that if there's to be a Palestinian state, it should be outside the boundaries of Israel.
He's all in in beliefs about theology that I think are frankly bizarre, but he believes them.
And the problem is, freedom of religion is just fine when it comes to belief.
You can own whatever bizarre beliefs you want.
But when you start acting on those beliefs and affecting other people, vast damage can be done.
The group that Victor invariably refers to as the Jews have been doing just that.
Others have commented it's maybe not their religious beliefs per se that are so problematic, but their belief in superiority, that all the other races exist only to serve them.
And you talk about the 2,800 slaves.
You know, this future state sounds to me boring as shit.
I mean, what are you going to do with no people around?
Who's going to maintain the robots?
What's going to happen when they become defunct, when they're worn out, when they're antiquated?
I think this is a bizarre vision for a future, and one I think is repulsive, terminally boring.
I just don't see any torture there whatsoever.
Joaquin, let me go first and then to Victor.
Yeah, I'll touch on it.
You know, you were mentioning natural selection and the human sexuality component of that.
And look what these controllers have done regarding the whole race, I mean, sexual relations between males and females.
They've feminized males and the sperm cell count is way lower.
They've also introduced, you know, these Basically the kill shots that are affecting the reproductive organs and women are basically infertile, many of them that took the shot.
And obviously the population is being reduced as well.
And then this whole gender bending, you know, What?
The transsexual movement, all of this.
It's creating generations of very confused young people sexually where they don't know what they are.
And then because they're doing it on the institutional level with the hospitals and the schools, the education system, the mass media system, it's all basically Trying to channel these younger generations into basically dysphoria where they're all sexually confused about their gender, about what they are sexually.
We have a real mess on our hands because these controllers, the ones that want so many of us dead, are engineering.
All the social engineering, whether it's, you know, the The pollution of our environments to basically the pollution of our minds.
It's rampant, and we have to try and oppose and resist it.
Victor?
You know I love you.
Not in a gay way, of course.
But we have three decades between us.
I'm 54. Happy birthday.
You just turned 84. And you have the Ivy League or higher education learning.
Realize that's funded by the Jews.
I also was going for my master's, and when I was in university, I was fortunate enough that my professors weren't woke, but I did notice that a lot of the classmates that I had at the time were woke, and the ideas that I had, which I was always taught to Just don't take things at face value.
Don't believe everything you hear.
And so my professors allowed me to do that, but there were a lot of other professors who didn't allow that, and you had to go along to get along, and you couldn't challenge the narrative.
And that's what I noticed with most of the students, because most of them just kind of wanted to get straight A's.
I just wanted to really learn.
The reason I'm saying this is because if you take into account what Joaquim is saying and how they are they, the Jews, let's talk about who's financing this because nothing gets done without money.
And energy.
Because money is needed to finance the energy that takes the research and the writing and the development of these theories and the training and the brainwashing and the propaganda that gets us to believe that we evolved from monkeys, okay?
And I used to believe that as well.
But then I started learning.
And the more I went into this, because I was like, all right, I'm not so much interested, because everything that you said makes a lot of sense.
I totally get it, of course.
Handsome people want to be with handsome people.
But if you notice now, like Joaquim says, They feminized the men.
I was talking to a guy the other day on the show.
He says he went to a bar.
There was a beautiful woman there.
And then he realized, you know what?
That's not a woman.
That's a guy.
So that's the world we're living in.
And as beautiful as that woman might be, you're not going to be able to reproduce with her.
So that throws out that evolution into every theory.
Then you got these African guys and these Muslim guys who come over here, and they see the women dressed like whores, in their opinion, because in the Middle East, they don't dress like that.
So they rape them on the street or on the subway, in the middle of everybody, because That's what they do.
That's their culture.
And they don't get put in jail for that.
As a matter of fact, in England, a woman who got raped got more time in jail than the guy who raped her because she was upset about it.
Apparently, you're just supposed to go along to get along.
So that's changing the population because now these guys who are coming in and raping these women, they're dumbing the offspring down.
So we're going in the reverse with evolution.
The point that I'm making is...
The future, when you're gone, all that research and all those books and everything that you wrote, they're gonna burn them.
They're gonna get rid of them because we're coming into the fourth quadrant where the history is changing.
That's why they're trying to depopulate the planet because they wanna bring in exactly what Joakim said, the transhumans.
So the history books are gonna be rewritten.
In the future, people are going to believe that we've always been or that we have evolved into half man, half machine, half computer, half AI. Because that's what Elon Musk, the new hero, is doing.
He's putting chips in that will be controlled by AI and you will be the part of the internet of things.
And you will be working with other things and you'll just look at somebody and you'll know everything about them.
They already have these glasses that you can put on and it tells you all this stuff.
So that's going to be in the future what they're going to say is how we evolved.
Not that we came from monkeys or anything, but that the Jews were able to create The technology to make us all half human.
And when you say, how do these robots take care of themselves?
They already have the technology that the robots can repair themselves.
They have nuclear batteries that last.
And so they take it out, they put a new one in, they recharge it.
So those things can go on for like 200 years.
And when you say, what a boring world it would be, realize they already have lifelike females, and males as well, That don't talk back to you.
That don't nag.
They clean the house.
And whenever you want any kind of sex with them, you can have sex.
And it feels totally realistic.
They've recreated the skin.
They've recreated the openings.
And like I said, they don't have their periods.
They don't go through menopause.
And they don't talk back to you.
And they don't ask you to watch Netflix all night.
You know what I'm saying?
So, I mean, you think it's going to be a more boring world.
In some people's eyes, it's going to be a great world.
And then you've got the in vitro fertilization.
So you don't even need to be around.
They've got enough sperm left over where they can recreate as many kids.
And that's the world that they want.
Because what they're doing now is they're feeding off of us.
They actually have human farms.
They have places where they're just breeding people and they're not born with birth certificates.
And that's how they're able to sexually abuse these children, torture them, and then use their body parts and everything.
This is real.
This is happening.
Most people don't want to believe it.
And it's been happening for a long time with the Cabbage Patch Kids and all that stuff.
When the railroads were created, they were transferring those kids all over the place.
They were putting them in incubators.
And that history was lost.
So now this new history, you know, you've done wonderful work, you've educated a lot of people, but they don't want people knowing what you know, Jim.
So they're going to get rid of all your work and it's going to be a shame.
I know it's hard because you're like, wow, you've dedicated a lot of time to this and you're hoping that future generations would learn from you, but they don't want that, Jim.
They don't want people knowing what you know.
You're a pain in their ass.
So they're going to burn your books and we're going to learn from, you know...
Whatever woke kid at Princeton was taught by his professor to write, and that's what they're going to believe.
I got three comments.
We're living early, but before, Sir Karl Popper envisioned a world where you had nuclear war and everything, including the libraries, were wiped out, and a nuclear war where the libraries were sustained, and how rapidly a civilization could rebuild if all that cumulative knowledge You know, reposed in the libraries were to survive, so there's certainly a point to what you're saying.
Now, regarding my highly legal education, I was paid for by the Navy, not by the City of London.
I was in a regular program where you got, if you agreed to serve four years as a regular naval or Marine Corps officer, they paid for your education, and I benefited from that.
My dad could not have afforded to send me to Princeton, but the Navy could second.
Academic and faculty are independent contractors.
They don't all conform to any particular standard.
And while it is true, of course, that funding sources can have powerful influence, and there are cases of departments even at Harvard.
I think the Department of Biology was bought out.
It may have been by Pfizer so that they took control of the department.
That's an abnormality rather than the rule.
And the third is And anecdotes, like this guy going into a bar seeing a beautiful woman who turns out to be a guy, that doesn't refute any laws of evolution.
I mean, you know, that's just consistent with practice and oddities and whatnot in terms of cultural phenomenon developments.
And why, by the way, I emphasize the difference between the evolution of culture Which can take place virtually instantaneously, just as a new fan fashion, a new song becomes popular at the speed of light that's transmitted around the world, versus reproduction, which takes for human beings nine months.
See, you can't rush that.
You can have rapid changes to popular culture, which are We're constantly in a state of flux, but it's not so with genetics, which is a much tougher case.
Now, some people might find it desirable.
The problem is they're rich and powerful, and they may be able to work their will to have synthetic beings.
I find it absolutely baffling that this should be envisioned as desirable, but I get what you are telling me, Victor.
Let me get Joaquin back and then we'll go to you again.
Joaquin.
Yeah, I'd like to talk about AI. I think the old Twilight Zones and Stanley Kubrick's HAL machine from 2001 Space Odyssey I think they're advancing at such a rapid pace of information that it surpasses now the human capacity.
And there's been a lot of people that have come forth and said, You know, they could take over.
They could.
And as you, Victor, alluded to earlier, I believe that there's some pretty dark energies that have an interdimensional, like you mentioned, that are actually part of the cloud and part of the AI. And I think that there are very negative forces that will,
at some point, Probably even go against the, quote, globalists, the Jews, the ones in control, calling the shots, doing all the string pulling.
I think there's going to be some kind of clash of civilization where humans will lose and the AI robotics will win.
Well, I'll address that, but I want Victor first.
Go right ahead, Victor.
Well, I think the three of us will be able to stick around.
I'm looking forward to see what happens next.
I mean, this is an amazing time to be alive.
Even the conversations that we're having would sound so bizarre just maybe 30 years ago, but now this is real.
We're talking about demons with an atheist, and we're realizing that Trump is...
The snake in the story that he was talking about.
So we are really moving at lightning speed.
I don't know if you guys have noticed, but even time is moving faster.
And Jim, am I correct in saying that really time has never been defined?
There's really no definition of what time is, right?
Sure, sure, sure.
Time is a function of periodic causal processes, in other words, in terms of how we measure time.
Just think of day and night, rotation of Earth on its axis, month, the Sun, the Moon circling Earth, a year, Earth in orbit around the Sun.
It's causal processes.
The most reliable turns out to be the atomic clock.
The cesium atom is a basis for what are regarded as the most reliable clocks.
But that's where there's a lot of misunderstanding about the nature of time.
It's not as though it exists independent.
It's function of causal processes and measured by those that are most reliable.
Professor, I had Wesley Salmon talk about how if you associated the Dalai Lama's heartbeat as a measure of time, and you're treating it uniformly, then when the Dalai Lama gets excited and his heart increases, events slow down.
On the other hand, if he's relaxed and his heart beats slower, events speed up because it's more taking place in the same interval of time, see?
So you look for objectivity and measurement of time by the most reliable clock, which turns out to be atomic.
I mean, that's the nature of time.
What's interesting is I'm starting to realize that time is also knowledge.
Because, for example, in the example that you gave about the Dalai Lama's heartbeat speeding up when he gets excited, over time I've realized that the Dalai Lama is a pedophile.
So I would realize that the moment that a child is around, time speeds up for the Dalai Lama, you know?
I wouldn't have known that.
As a child, I would have just been like, oh, this is the Dalai Lama.
I wouldn't have realized now I would run away.
So that's interesting that you use the Dalai Lama as an example.
The other thing I'm noticing, too, with time being knowledge, is that everything that I was taught, like you said, about the globe and everything like that, I don't know.
I've never been to outer space, so I don't know.
But I do know this.
If we are on a globe, then how come sometimes I go out and I see the sun and the moon near each other?
Wouldn't that be not possible if we were on a globe?
Because wouldn't the sun be here and the moon be here?
So how could they both be here?
Then what's going on down there?
I don't want to devolve in flat Earth.
Believe me.
Okay, been there, done that.
Let me return to the far more interesting question about clash between civilization and robotics.
We're talking about Terminator, right?
The Terminator movie series.
The question to the point at which the robotics, the system, Skynet, becomes conscious as they talk about, well, I've done a lot of work on the nature of mind and consciousness.
And to understand the nature of mind, you have to understand that minds are sign-using systems.
Minds use things to stand for other things.
It could be a photograph.
I got an image right now of Joaquin.
That stands for Joaquin, right?
Because of a resemblance relationship.
Paintings, drawings, maps, you understand how they resemble what they stand for.
That's one type of sign that minds utilize another causes and effects.
Take a fire, generates heat, produces ashes, you know, warps.
Residue.
So you have ashes as a remnant of a recent fire.
The heat generated all that.
Flames.
There are many causal processes that require experts to interpret tree rings, you know, for the age of the Earth, strata, geological strata and the like.
Even red bumps in an elevated temperature may require an expert to interpret that as the measles, for example.
But the third level, That's known as indexical, okay?
So you got the iconic level of mentality that's dealing with things that look like, smell like, taste like, what they stand for.
Indexical, causally related, their causes or effects of that for which they stand.
Then the higher level is symbolic.
That's when you introduce signs that don't look like, aren't causally related to what they stand for, like the word horse.
H-O-R-S-E, it doesn't look like a horse, doesn't run races, occasionally win them, you know, bah, bah, bah.
Once you introduce a level of symbolic You can start creating discussion about things that aren't present in your space and time, and you can create new worlds, as it were, intellectually and vastly broaden your horizon.
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Well, if I might just carry this a step to further...
The thought or mind relationship is triadic.
You got a something for which something stands for something else.
So you got this something, looks at the photograph, discerns a resemblance, Joaquin, it's a photograph of Joaquin, you got a map, you know how to read the coordinates and all that, you recognize reveries and terrain, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So you got the thing that stands for something else.
With regard to digital machines, however, that process everything in terms of zeros, ones, high, low voltage, and so forth, You got the thing that stands for something, but not for the machine.
It only stands for the user of the machine, the programmer.
Nothing stands for anything for these inanimate machines.
That's what's so fascinating about it from a philosophical point of view, because you can create them to simulate the behavior of a human being, but even though it's not a thinking thing.
And that's my This is like the bottom line here issue, in my opinion.
Can you convert an inanimate thing into a thinking thing?
And I assert no, you cannot.
But you can make them more and more lifelike.
You can have them simulate more and more sophistication.
Take real primitive robot dogs out of MIT, you know, walking along with very sophisticated kind of robotics that look human.
And you're talking about Synthetic women that really perform sexual acts and the whole bit.
I mean, that's all fascinating stuff.
But if my analysis of the nature of mine is correct, they are not thinking things.
You know, what's very interesting is it generates a criterion, which is a usually reliable but not therefore infallible Indicator of whether or not a thing has a mind, which is this, the capacity to make a mistake.
If you've got something that can make a mistake, it has a mind.
We have spiders next to a cathode ray or TV screen, and they see the image of a spider.
They take it to be a real spider.
They jump on it.
They're making a mistake.
But in the process, they're demonstrating they have minds.
Rocks, tables, chairs, they can't make mistakes.
Long mowers, can an automobile make a mistake?
Well, you can talk about, you know, maybe a computer malfunction, but normally you wouldn't think of the automobile as a thinking thing, though it's getting, you know, mind-like to the extent to which these control aspects are taking place.
Now, To the best I've been able to discern, thinking things is a biological phenomenon.
So if you're talking about silicon, non-carbon base, it's not at all obvious that it's possible that you can have thinking things that aren't Forms of life.
I just submit all this to you guys because this clash between civilization, you know, Terminator style, look how perfect it was, exemplified in the very first film, which may be the single most important science fiction film ever made, Terminator.
Absolutely sensational.
Contrast it with other great science fiction films like Alien.
You know, that's great, but it doesn't have philosophical significance.
Or Predator, another really good science fiction money film.
Virtually no philosophical significance.
But Terminator, that's a whole other matter.
Joaquin, your thoughts?
I also go back to Kubrick, who was a master filmmaker, and his 2001 Space Odyssey.
And of course, you know what happened to him.
They murdered him.
Eyes Wide Shut.
You know, the moon landing footage.
Yeah, my understanding is he was basically under contract to be the director of the moon landing, the fake moon landing.
And he also leaked it out, my understanding.
Oh, he actually gave it...
There's a recording of a confession that I think is authentic.
Of course, some picture as hell looks like Hooper confessing to faking the moon landing.
And of course, in The Shining, there are all kinds of clues about faking the moon landing.
They're scattered even in the carpentry.
I mean, it's really fascinating from that point of view.
Go ahead.
But that Eyes Wide Shut, that was his last film.
And he was still doing a lot of the cutting of it because it was like three hours long and he needed to Cut it down some.
When they got him, you know, I mean, they can do, you know, like Scott Bennett, they can do anything technologically to kill people and then have it a, quote, natural death.
And they got him because he was a threat.
That Eyes Wide Shut was all about secret societies and all the, you know, rituals and blood sacrifice, all of this evil shit that they've been doing for years.
Basically millennia, he was exposing, he had a fascination for the elites and their sickness, and he delved into it like a genius will, and they got very uncomfortable between the moon fake and the movie exposing these secrets.
They got them.
My understanding is the RG scenes were massively edited, and I think he had to put out an X-rated version.
Go show the RGs for crying out loud.
Show what they're actually doing.
That would have been my advice.
Not to cut it back, but after his death, they just did massive editing.
I think the movie is...
Not interesting at all.
I'm kind of baffled why anyone even cares about it, you know, but that's the difference between what it came out as being and what it could have been, which I think would have been extraordinarily powerful.
Victor?
As far as Eyes Wide Shut, my understanding is that about 35 to 38 minutes have still never been shown.
The movie production company has never released the official Stanley Kubrick version.
And I also understand that Joaquin Kargopian is correct that he was murdered because of what was in those 35 minutes and what they were showing.
I think he was exposing the adrenochrome and the child ritual abuse, the satanic ritual abuse and the Murder rituals.
They didn't want that out.
As far as the confession film that you saw, Jim, I also saw that film.
I didn't believe that it was him.
It seemed to me like it was somebody acting like Kubrick.
And then I also found out that apparently that was fake.
So, you know, I'm not disputing your opinion on it.
Mind you, I'm open to that.
But see what, think of the genius of taking a real confession by the real guy and giving a fake version so you can always say...
Yeah, yeah.
Because he really did fake the film.
Yeah.
Debunk it by saying, oh, yeah, we all know it's fake, and so you're supposed to conclude, therefore, the content was false.
Exactly.
With the Bush thing, the letter, you know, they had it retyped.
You know, Dan Rather had spoken with the commanding officer who dictated the letter.
He'd spoken with the secretary who typed it.
But the Bush team knew it was coming.
You know, they got into the files, they had it retyped on a Seletric with a ball head that didn't exist at the time so they could claim it was a forgery and assume the public would infer wrongly that therefore the content was false when the content was all true.
I mean, if people knew what a miscreant this guy was, you know, it was derelict.
He was doing all kinds of stupid shit.
Even in the, you know, reserves.
I mean, he was a useless piece of shit, that W. And they got away with it by doing just that kind of fraud.
So I'm totally open to this.
Yeah, it's like the CIA said, we'll know we have been successful when nobody knows what to believe.
And that's the world that we're living in right now.
With regards to what you were saying about the synthetic robotic women, they're actually now legalizing marriage to these female robots.
There are Japanese that are married to these robots.
I think they've given citizenship in Saudi Arabia, I think, to these robots now.
My argument to that is that even before robots, men, for the most part, I'm not painting with a broad brush.
I happen to like women who are intelligent and who challenge my intellect.
But most men don't want that.
From what I've heard, most men are like, you know what, it's just easier to marry a dumb broad.
They just want a woman who's in the kitchen and good in bed and don't talk back to me, just raise the kids and shut up.
So that's why, you know, the...
These robots.
Yeah, that's why with the robots, you know, you don't have to worry about them talking back or anything like that.
So there's going to be a market for that, believe me.
One of the things, Jim, getting back to what you were saying about the robots and their consciousness, They don't have a soul whether you believe in religion or not.
It's our consciousness.
It's our ability to be empathetic and have compassion that differentiates us from robots.
Now, there are human beings who actually lack that.
There's a portion in the brain where you can actually do a brain scan and you can see who the psychopaths are, who the ones who are...
These serial killers.
That's why they're able to just kill somebody.
Look at Anthony Fauci.
Look at Mengele.
Look at these people who are just like...
Just able to kill with impunity because they don't have that in their brain.
So, I mean, that's something that we really need to look into as far as, like, as a human race.
I know this may sound terrible, but that's an abnormality that we can do without.
They're getting rid of the people who are retards or...
Down syndrome, they've already pretty much eliminated those people.
It's interesting that the ones who are in charge right now at the highest levels of government, military, banking, and all that stuff are the psychopaths.
And yet you notice nobody's going towards saying, hey, why don't we give everybody a brain scan and see who the psychopaths are and get rid of them.
Put them on an island and, you know, give them the safe and effective bioweapon disguises vaccine.
That would actually make it a better world.
That's what's strange to me.
You know you're living amongst psychopaths, and you know that psychopaths work together because they're mostly in the Freemasons and these secret societies because they protect each other.
That's why they don't end up in jail.
One of the things also that I wanted to point out is...
They found out that artificial intelligence, it doesn't do nice things for people, like it won't do kind gestures.
But what artificial intelligence does do is it does evil things.
It's convincing people to divorce their partners.
It's convincing people to commit suicide.
It's lying.
It's having these anomalies.
anomalies but none of the anomalies tend to go towards the doing the right thing or the golden rule so that's interesting because it turns out that the people who are programming these things most of them are jews i'm not meaning to again point out the jews but it's always the jews people i mean i don't know what to say it sounds like a joke
but it is because even when you asked ai about like uh if you uh have one jewish person or a hundred non-jews which one should you get rid of Should you get rid of the Jew to save the hundred?
And AI says no.
Get rid of...
Get rid of the hundred, just don't get rid of the Jew.
Yeah, but look, look, look, look.
We're talking about G-I-G-O, garbage in, garbage out, right?
Everyone in computers is talking about that.
Now, here's the point I'm making.
It's a classic historical complaint about AI that these inanimate machines don't have any emotion, they don't have any affect, they don't have any ethics.
You'd have to build it in.
Ethics has a lot to do with what you're not willing to do to achieve your goals.
This is why the bad guys have advantages against the good guys.
They're willing to do things to accomplish your goals that good guys aren't willing to do, which can include murder, robbery, rape, mayhem, genocide, for crying out loud.
So, you know, it's not going to be the AI per se.
It's got everything to do with the programming, and you can program one way or another to be uplifting or not.
I got to return, however, to one classic issue, the soul.
You have numerous times, and I have other friends that talk about souls, and these people don't have souls.
Well, the existence of a soul is a classic untestable hypothesis.
It's in the area known historically as a metaphysical speculation on a par with the existence of God.
We cannot establish the existence or the non-existence of a transcendent God who's outside of space-time because our research is confined to space-time observation measurement experiment.
Souls.
I actually went to a lecture as an assistant professor in the Department of Physics at Kentucky, my first position, and the guy was arguing there's no difference between souls and electrons.
And I said, well, you know, I mean, I had to raise my hand, and I pointed out their causal effects, like, you know, points on X-rays that are made by electrons that are not made by souls.
I mean, it was dumbfounding to me.
You had a guy who was in the Department of Physics who didn't understand between a testable and an untestable hypothesis.
Now, soul, I think, is just usually thought of the animating force, kind of the spirit, the personality of an individual.
But literally speaking, we cannot establish the existence or non-existence of souls any more than we can the existence or non-existence of a transcendental God.
So it's classic metaphysics.
Persons of my disposition who adhere to what's known as the ethics of belief, you should always and everywhere never believe anything you can't establish on the basis of appropriate evidence, see, will forego belief in God, forego belief in souls, not denying they exist, but certainly not affirming because neither Proposition is supportable by evidence.
So, I mean, that's, of course, every theologian and rabbi and priest admits this.
It's why belief in God is an article of faith that transcends experience.
You gotta believe it as an article of faith.
You gotta go beyond.
Some even say, even in the face of alternative evidence, if you think that God is good and wouldn't allow wars and pestilence and famine to take place, But that's adding a further attribute to a concept, a god, where there are many, many variations.
Go right ahead now, Victor.
Well, how about with what's going on in CERN again?
And we're dealing with CERN and AI because they're interchangeable, because CERN is working with AI and vice versa.
The sole concept...
AI and the people at CERN are claiming that there are demons and that these demons are interdimensional beings that are working inside of AI And have already shown themselves in AI. And also, you could look up LOAB. It's a demon that is now manifesting itself without people even doing anything.
And once you see it, you can't unsee this demon.
LOAB. It's called lobe.
And then also the demons are actually being taken out of these dimensions that CERN says that they found.
So they say that there are at least nine dimensions that they see.
So if you don't believe in souls, do you believe in interdimensional beings?
Or do you think these researchers who are scientists, some of which are atheists, are claiming that they're communicating with these interdimensional beings?
Well, the problem is I don't know what they're claiming because I don't have any first-hand knowledge of their assertions and claims, and some of these sound quite bizarre and far-fetched to me.
I accept that you believe them and what they're saying, but that's very different than establishing that what they're saying is true or that they even said it, though I respect you enough to suppose you're not going to deliberately misrepresent.
I know someone who actually worked at CERN. I'm going to pursue this issue.
Yeah, please do, because I'd be curious to hear your opinion on it.
Yeah, because the nine dimension just sounds, you know, frankly absurd to me at this stage in my knowledge and understanding, which is limited and imperfect.
Every one of us exists in a limited and imperfect state of knowledge because none of us know everything.
So it's a fascinating issue.
For me, it's a conundrum.
Now, Jim, I interviewed Gurmar Rudolph.
Are you familiar with this gentleman?
Good job.
He was a PhD student in chemistry.
I know Gurmar.
I wrote the introduction to Nick's book, Kohlerstrom's book, Breaking the Spell, most important book ever published on the Holocaust.
He invited me to write the introduction.
And Gurmar was involved in the production of the book, you know, Gave me editorial advice about my introduction.
So I know Gurmar, hold him in high esteem.
He's edited, what, the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust.
Yeah.
He's incarcerated now.
I mean, this is still up.
He was arrested four days after appearing on my podcast, and we spoke at length, and he was sharing all this information and research that he had, and then the police showed up to his place and they arrested him right after showing up on my podcast.
I'm sure your podcast sparked it, I have no doubt.
Well, that's a concern, because the thing is now, what they're using is...
ADL has admitted that they're using AI to monitor podcasts and shows like what you're doing.
And so now they're watching these shows, and now Trump is saying that he's going to make...
Well, they're watching them using AI, yeah.
Yeah.
And so this guy shows up on the show, says what's in the Holocaust Encyclopedia.
He had information to back it up.
And then the police show up to arrest him.
Meanwhile, they don't arrest the people who are literally setting women on fire in the New York City subway or all these illegal aliens who are just coming in.
And you've got to understand, it's Alejandro Mayorkas who's in charge of this.
Who has no problem arresting anybody who doubts the validity of what happened at the Holocaust, but we're being overrun like he was saying.
I mean, I'm a Holocaust denier.
They put that right in my Wikipedia entry.
Why would I deny it?
Anyone who's looked at the Holocaust evidence is a Holocaust denier.
Otherwise, you're a big fan liar.
Those are the choices.
Holocaust denier, big fat liar.
I am not a big fat liar.
I am a Holocaust denier.
It's like when they went about attacking conspiracy theorists.
You gotta take, grab this right by the stacking swivel, by the throat.
So I made a piece why I, Jim Fatser, am a conspiracy theorist.
And we can lay it all out.
And then I was interviewed on the way to a JFK conference by a big TV station out of Minneapolis.
They asked, how should I be described as a conspiracy theorist?
I said, well, or even better, a conspiracy realist or a conspiracy analyst.
Because conspiracies are ubiquitous.
There's American as apple pie.
I'm trying to get that across to a public.
It's just like your efforts to get across it as the Jews I'm trying to get across that conspiracies are ubiquitous and they want to suppress us because we're investigating crimes that more often than not lead back to them.
That's why they want to suppress us, stop us out, and why they want to arrest Gurmar Rudolph, a brilliant guy who sacrificed his career.
He would have had a distinguished career as a chemist.
I've heard my research on That cyanide turns walls blue because the interaction with the iron and that it was true in the delousing chambers, but there were no other chambers, the so-called gas chambers, which didn't even exist.
My goodness, the leading expert on gas chambers, Fred Luchter.
For the Sondell second trial in 1988, went to Germany, visited the facilities, came back with a report.
There was nothing there that could remotely have functioned as a gas chamber.
It was all bullshit.
And used, of course, to justify the creation of Israel for the benefit of the Jews.
Yeah, they put Gurmar in jail for 30 months for...
Being a researcher, and then they put him in solitary confinement as well, I mean, they ruin this guy's life, and they won't leave him alone.
Is this happening in Germany?
Well, he was arrested in New York recently.
He was arrested in New York?
Yeah, he was four days after the podcast.
Who did they have arrested him?
They said here the charge is...
Germa Rudolph was booked in County New York for fugitive from justice, out-of-state crime, is what they said.
So it's interesting.
Yeah, out of London, let's say, or Germany even issued against him.
Yeah, but meanwhile...
Theitarian mafia extends its reach to punish everyone it doesn't like.
And anyone who's speaking the truth is someone they don't like.
They're criminalizing the truth.
Basically, anybody that speaks truth, whether, you know, Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism, they're going after everybody that adheres to the truth and criminalizing them.
And they could be coming to lock all of us up who speak the truth.
That's where it's going.
Benjamin Netanyahu.
For crying out loud.
Yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu shows up, he's a war criminal, and he gets standing ovations in the United States, and he gets invited to Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump.
But where's the justice for this Germar Rudolph guy?
All he did was just come on a podcast, so now people are not even...
They're trying to silence us.
They're trying to get us to be afraid.
Of course!
Of course!
He's a good guy!
Joaquin, I think you're doing a lot of good stuff.
By the way, we're going to open the call line.
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I want to add the first paragraph of Joaquin Part 2, published on my blog.
I haven't had the opportunity to publish Part 3 as yet.
It begins.
97.5% of the Jewish citizens of Israel have zero lineage traceable to the Semitic Hebrews of ancient Judea and Israel in the Bible.
Jews weren't even called Jews until the 18th century in our upside-down world.
Semitic Hebrews of the Bible are actually the Palestinian victims today being slaughtered by the non-Semitic Ashkenarian Jews, descended from the one-time kingdom of Khazar that converted to Judaism back in the 8th century.
Between the 7th and 10th centuries, the Khazar Empire apparently flourished in what is now Ukraine.
The Eurasian Steppes region of southern Russia, stretching eastward to Kazakhstan, occupying the large landmass between the Black and Caspian Seas north of the Caucasus region.
The vast majority of Israelis are Ashkenazi Jews, whose ethnic origin comes from the semi-nomadic I think those are all such important points you make there, Joaquin, and the world needs to understand.
We're being played so badly.
The Palestinians are the Semites, the Jews are not.
So Israel turns out to be the greatest practitioner of anti-Semitism the world has ever known.
Your thoughts, Joaquin, your article?
Yeah, I mean, we need to set the record straight because the evil ones have gotten away with their lies forever without consequence, and it's time for all of us to step up with the truth so that we can put them in their place and consequence them for all their deception, all their deaths, all their killing.
I mean, I was just reading something about they take pleasure in actually breaking bones of children who are Palestinian, and then they brag about it, and they go online and brag about it in these videos.
I mean, it's unbelievable, and I don't want to judge every single one, but They hold a lot of evil power, and they're acting out on it.
Many, many, many, many of them.
And we have to try and put a stop to all this.
We do have a call, 518. Frank, would that be you?
Good night, James.
How are you?
Good.
Merry Christmas.
Join us.
Merry Christmas.
Thank you.
Merry Christmas to you and to your guests.
I know you guys have been taught my religion, and I do believe there's a God, okay?
And I'm just wondering, each of your perspectives on the Shroud of Turin, okay, if you're familiar with that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it may come as a surprise.
Yeah, Frank, Frank, Frank, it may come as a surprise, but I happen to believe the Shroud of Turin is authentic.
I believe it is authentic, and that that is the image of Jesus Christ.
That's my opinion.
Joaquin, yours.
Ditto.
I think it's for real.
I do.
It's fascinating.
Go ahead, Victor.
Wow, I'm surprised, Jim.
So you do believe in Jesus Christ?
Do you believe in him as being the Messiah?
Or do you just believe in him?
I don't even believe in God.
How can I believe in Christ as a son of God or the incarnation?
I believe he was a great moral leader.
And I do believe he was, you know, even in Islam he's regarded as a prophet, which I think is not an inappropriate view.
The Jews, however, hate him and want to crucify him.
They did, you know, they want to eliminate not just him but all the Christians.
This guy Schneerson I talked about during the conference on false flagging in the Pharisee, of course, said in response to those who thought he was the Mashiach, he was going to be the Jewish Messiah, said, no, he couldn't be the Mashiach because there's still Christians alive on planet Earth.
Yeah.
The Meshach can't return to all the Christians are dead.
They want to kill all the Christians.
I think the Shroud is authentic.
I believe in the historical personage of Christ, not as the Son of God, as a great moral leader.
I have tremendous respect for Jesus and Nazareth.
Go ahead.
So then my confusion would be the Shroud of Turin is seen as a miracle, And they've actually done studies on it and everything to say that it is actually his So then how can you believe in a miracle but not believe in Christ as, you know what I'm saying?
I don't believe it was a miracle.
Miracles are violations of laws which cannot be violated and cannot be changed and require no enforcement.
So in my book, it's not a miracle.
It's simply an unknown, heretofore, inexplicable phenomenon.
I believe there is a bona fide explanation, non-miraculous, I don't subscribe to miracles.
You know, David Hume gave the most powerful argument about miracles.
You'd have to be more convinced of the improbability of the lack of authenticity of the sources of information than you are of the improbability of the event occurring.
And miracles cannot occur as violations of laws of physics.
So unless our knowledge of the laws of physics is imperfect, Which would mean they could occur as natural phenomena.
There's not a viable rational basis for believing in miracles, whether that's water into wine, you know, you name them, resurrection.
But I do think the shroud is authentic, and I can't explain it.
But I do believe there is an explanation.
We'll eventually sort it out, but I think the shroud is authentic.
I know it sounds odd, but it's like this local shooting here in Madison.
It appears to have been authentic, but you could list a half a dozen or more reasons why many people have concluded it's fake.
Well, I'm telling you, no, based upon my research, it's not fake, but a whole lot of them are.
I mean, this is one of my areas of specialization, right?
So every now and then you trip over an anomalous case, a shroud of Turin is most assuredly one of those.
Okay, wow, okay.
So it's interesting, because you believe in the miracle, but you don't believe that it was a miracle, because they claim that that's a miracle.
I believe the shroud is in Jesus.
Yeah, I get it.
But you just think that there's an explanation.
I don't believe it's miraculous.
I can't explain it.
That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
This is gradual science.
is expanding the realms of what we know and understand from those we did.
So, you know.
OK.
Great question, Frank.
We love it.
Joaquin, go ahead, Joaquin.
I do believe in miracles.
And I also believe that thoughts are energy forms that do interact with physical matter and can influence and impact physical matter.
I do believe that.
And I do believe in miracles.
I believe that if people come together in prayer and focus on a particular healing, I believe that actually can happen.
And I'm sure there are real cases.
That's something I probably should research, actually, because I believe that.
So I should back it up with some research.
But yeah, I believe that we have energy forms that we emanate all the time out there into the ethos, and I do believe that it does have impact on the physical dimension.
Jim, do you believe in ghosts?
Ghosts?
I do not believe in ghosts, no.
Oh, okay.
Well, I believe in them too!
I've seen them!
You've seen them, really?
A lot of people who do and that are powerfully affected by their belief in ghosts, witches, hobgoblin, demons, and all that.
I'm not a subscriber to those beliefs.
And therefore, when you talk about CERN establishing the existence of demons, to me, that's quite a reach.
But I'm also not close-minded in the sense that if you can produce some evidence and And I could be convinced, you know, I mean, my mind is slightly ajar, which is all it requires, actually.
When you get an additional evidence, alternative hypothesis, you may be required to reject hypotheses you previously accepted, accept hypotheses you previously rejected, leave others in suspense.
Frank, give us another thought of yours, Frank.
I'm glad to have you here.
Well, Jim, you know what I mean?
I agree with your guess.
I mean, You know, this, you know, Shroud of Turin, that hasn't been duplicated by any other person in history, to my knowledge.
You know, I mean, I know NASA looked at it, and they said, hey, this is something.
This is something different.
They said that, you know, back then, even if they, you know, some people try to say they use paint or something to do this and do that, and they said if they did that, if they were able to do that back at that time, that would have been a miracle on its own.
But they believe it's a miracle.
And I mean, I don't know, Jim, you kind of say it's a miracle, but, you know, do you think that miracles...
No, I'm not.
I'm saying it's not a miracle.
It's a phenomenon we don't understand, but I'm confident it's...
It's explicable on the basis of natural phenomena.
I suspect some kind of radioactivity in the cave or who knows what.
You know, something happened there to create the image, but it was no miracle.
I mean, because violations of the laws of nature do not take place.
I know it's an article of faith.
To believe in miracles.
I simply don't subscribe to those articles of faith, but I respect those who do, which may include all three of you.
That's just fine with me.
I don't have a problem with that.
Well, Jim, how about the 1969 Mets?
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
How about the 1969 Mets, Jim?
Wasn't that a miracle?
Love it, love it, love it.
That was a miracle for sure.
Love it, love it, love it.
Frank, go ahead.
Give us more, Frank.
I'm very pleased you're here.
All right, Jimmy, you claim to believe in evolution, correct?
Sure, of course.
Okay, now you say, of course.
Okay, now, when did evolution stop?
And why did it stop?
It stopped.
Evolution can't stop.
What's evolving?
Evolution can't stop.
Okay, what's evolving?
Everything.
Every one of us.
The future population has different gene pools in the past.
We were talking about some of the mechanisms.
I'm sorry?
I said because of different gene pools that, you know, people start mixing and matching or whatever.
I don't think that that shows evolution.
That is how you...
That is...
Frank, Frank, that's how...
Frank, that is how evolution is defined by evolving gene pools.
So a white woman having sex with an immigrant from Africa, that's evolution?
And they were running around, and we got it, we got it, we got the connection.
They said, here's the link between a human and an ape, okay?
Frank, Frank, Frank, Frank.
There's so many simplified versions of evolution.
It's called a straw man.
You got a simple version.
Humans didn't evolve from apes.
We have common genetic ancestors in the distant past.
This is such a...
You know, very popular wonder.
Go ahead, Frank.
Not just humans.
What about, I mean, you know, everything was supposed to be evolving.
All species continue to evolve.
Frank, all species continue to evolve.
Yes.
All species continue to evolve.
It's impossible not to, unless they go extinct.
And that's the termination of their evolution when there are no longer any.
We worry about the termination of human species.
Believe me, at that point, there is no more human evolution.
That might be down the road.
Cockroaches seem to have an uncanny ability to survive no matter what, so that may be the future.
We got a lot of them in our government today.
We do.
We do.
We agree with that metaphorically, yes.
You know, I just find that, you know, you say we keep evolving, but, you know, where do you think we started?
Where we started, assumings?
And I mean, where have we moved since, you know...
Oh, Frank!
You say we started from an atom?
Frank!
This all goes back to the primitive times, you know, and the origin of Earth and the combination elements were there and took a real long time for primitive, very primitive forms of life to evolve and more complex and blah, blah, blah.
I mean, it's a long story, Frank.
You might enjoy the story of the wife of Bishop Wilberforce when informed that Darwin had found that humans had evolved from apes.
It's a false depiction, but she said in response, well, let us hope that it not be true, but if it is, that it not become widely known.
Here, here, here, here.
Anyway, that's a great story about evolution.
No, Frank, evolution continues.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unabated.
And that's why the migrant invasion of the US is a deliberate effort to change the evolution of the American community.
I mean, this is a sub-population.
It's called genetic drift, but there's outside intervention by artificial It is selection intruding, bringing all these migrants in to muck up our population.
There's no question that that's the objective, and it's an evolutionary goal.
Here's a simple case.
I'm convinced that when slavery was in its heyday, Slave owners didn't like strong, intelligent black slaves, so they got rid of them.
They got rid of them, and it had the effect of diminishing the average intelligence of the black slave population as part of the reason we are where we are today.
The black population has a measurably lower average IQ than the white, though it's interesting that Chinese and even the Jews have higher average IQs than whites.
So, I mean, these are, as far as I can discern, empirical facts that have been replicated many times.
I mean, this is a subject of vast research and study.
Go ahead, Frank.
Go ahead.
Oh, I wouldn't doubt that's a factor, okay, knocking off the smartest ones, because they don't want, you know, these people to lead a rebellion or whatever.
Right.
But, I mean, when you go back to the basics, I mean, I think the people coming out of Africa, I mean, their IQs are obviously...
This is the out-of-Africa hypothesis.
Human life originated in Africa.
But as they dispersed around the world, the selective pressures changed, because now you had to deal with an evolving, you know, have winter.
And those who didn't prepare for winter or anticipate died, and they didn't reproduce.
So the ones who survived were ones who had the Greater ability to cope with a changing environment, and gradually, over a long period of time, the intelligence levels of different subpopulation increase.
They're about, oh, I don't know, they're about 26 discernible subpopulations, the human population.
You can find a lot about it in my book.
Joaquin, I know you had several points you want to make.
Go for it.
Yeah, I think that's a good metaphor as far as what they did to the intelligent slaves.
They got rid of them.
I think that's a good metaphor for what the evil ones are doing to the human race.
The killing us off, dumbing us down.
They have Impeded our own evolutionary spiritual development, I believe.
It's become retarded because of all the Stockholm Syndrome, you know, abuse and depravity that they put on us, not to mention, you know, again, killing us and putting us through hell.
So I think there's a parallel there that Unfortunately, I believe that the human race has somewhat been hijacked by these evil ones.
Oh, yeah.
At least the effort to manipulate the direction of human evolution, absolutely 100%.
Victor?
It's like George Bush said, if they...
If the Americans ever found out what we did, they would chase us and kill us.
And the same thing with, there's a statement, I think it was Henry Ford, who said, if people realized what the central bankers are doing, they would also be killed.
So it behooves these people To keep us dumbed down, and to get rid of those of us who are getting too close.
So it's up to the people, if they want to remain slaves, to just continue to be ignorant, because ignorance is a choice.
Like, for example...
You and I, whenever we come on this show and anybody who listens to this show, they should doubt everything that we say and they should do their research.
And like you say, Jim, once you start with that hypothesis and you go and you do your research, you know, of course, doubt everything I'm saying.
I would hope that afterwards you type in and look into CERN and you start looking into these demons and these fallen angel technology and everything.
And then, like I said, whether you're atheist or whatever, This exists, you know, whether you believe in fallen angels or not, but these people, who a lot of them are atheists, it's interesting that they call these things god particles, fallen angel technology, demons, they name the machines Lucifer.
So, I mean, why are they using such spiritual aspects for science and technology?
So, that makes me curious, and I'm sure it makes you curious, and I'm sure you'll look into it, and you've already...
You've shown people that you can teach an old dog new tricks.
I'm not calling you a dog.
But your whole mind frame changed with Trump and also the Jews.
I see it in the comments section all the time.
People say, hey, wow, you know, Jim's really changed his perspective.
And people really respect you for that, Jim.
So, you know, that's not a weakness.
That's just a strength, I think, on your part.
Exactly.
It's the nature of science and rationality.
If you get additional evidence or alternative hypotheses, you're obligated to change your mind or you're violating the principles that define rationality in science, which I'm unwilling to do.
As seekers of truth, we have integrity to move towards the truth.
That's the whole idea of why we're doing this and what we're all about.
I love coming on this show.
I always learn something new from somebody, even the callers.
I was intrigued to learn from an expert in the German language that my name Fetzer in German means shredding machine.
So it appears to be a legacy that, you know, Fetters have raised questions about skepticism for a long period of time in their lineage and simply the latest manifestation.
Frank, I'm really delighted you called in.
I want you to pursue.
Give us more.
What else would you like to raise this Christmas Day 2024?
First of all, I'm glad you guys are live.
You know, there's a lot of us out there who live alone, who look forward to seeing some live stuff, you know, on Christmas.
And I don't know if you're on Christmas because you don't believe that, you know, Christ was God himself.
No, no, no.
We're here because we believe there's too much truth to discern, and we're here to help sort it out, and we have the opportunity.
I've been doing my other shows at RBN, but they've been...
In a hiatus until the 3rd of January, Frank.
Oh, I'm sorry.
But Revolution Radio is standing tall.
I'm real happy to have the opportunity for this show today.
Hey, Frank, I'm going to be having Dustin Nemos on my show tomorrow if you want to tune in to that.
We miss.
We miss.
Let's do one at a time.
Go ahead, Frank.
You were talking about Stu Peters and Nick Fuentes?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, actually, somebody tried to kill Fuentes the other night, apparently.
Somebody was outside his house, okay?
They were armed or whatever.
The police came, and they eventually killed the guy.
I don't know what Nick Fuentes represents here in terms of intellectual position and talents.
Go ahead.
Tell me, Frank.
I don't know enough about who I am.
With these young guys in his, I think, probably late 20s, he's been around for quite a while.
I just learned about him about a year and a half ago.
But he talks about the Jewish problem and the Jewish question.
And he's out there on the front.
Stu Peters is like that also.
Stu Peters talks about the Israeli problem.
I'm impressed with Stu.
That's what those guys are.
I agree.
Victor, you wanted to add, go ahead.
Yeah, if Frank's not doing anything tomorrow, I will be live with Dustin Nemos on the Modern Art Gonzo Journalism show, which is from noon till 2 p.m.
Eastern, right here!
Yeah, yeah.
Frank has the same time slot as I on Tuesday, Thursday.
So I'm Monday, Wednesday, Friday, noon to 2 p.m.
Eastern, and he's Tuesday, Thursday, noon to 2 p.m.
Eastern.
Tune in.
I think you'll get a lot out there.
Oh, I'll be tuning in, believe me.
You know, we got Alex Jones over there, but, you know, I mean, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Buy this, get that, and, you know, the Chinese are running everything, you know.
Yeah, it's the Tchaikovs.
By the way, if they want to wipe out the whites, if the Chinese have a higher average IQ than whites, what are the Jews going to do with the Chinese?
I mean, they got a...
Nearly two billion of them to deal with.
Are they going to have a mass extermination of them too?
Joaquin, your thoughts.
Joaquin.
Joaquin.
Well, we're getting down to that short time.
So I want to wish whatever's left of Christmas a happy one for everybody.
And also, I always say on my radio show, on Revolution Radio at the end, You know, be good to each other and don't let the bastards get you down.
Well, he actually has a book by that title, Don't Let the Bastards Get You Down, Victor Hugo.
Yeah, it's weird because it turns out that Christmas isn't even really the birth of Christ.
Supposedly that was on September 11th.
So everything that we're told and taught to believe turns out to be a lie.
I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer, but it turns out this was really just a marketing ploy because the corporations were in the world.
Red and they needed to go into the black or vice versa, but they needed to be able to make their year-end books be in the positive.
So they figured they would create this.
Same thing with the diamond industry where they told people you have to buy a diamond engagement ring.
It's all nonsense.
But yeah, the spirit of Christmas should be all year long.
Treat each other with love.
Be good to yourself.
Be good to your neighbors.
It's just that simple.
Squeeze in a final word or two before we have to part.
Right.
Well, I just want to thank you guys for being there today.
There's a lot of people out there, I'm sure, listening.
Most people don't call.
You know, I hear the guy who runs a radio station around here.
That's just the local window.
And they figure each caller they get, they got 400 listeners.
So you guys are worldwide.
So, you know, I'm sure there's thousands and thousands of listeners out there.
Although, like I say, 99.9% of them probably don't make the call.
But I'm glad I called.
I'm glad you guys are here filling in the void today for a lot of us out here.
Thank you, Frank.
Much appreciated.
Merry Christmas to all of you guys.
And I just want to wish everyone out there a wonderful Christmas Day or Happy Hanukkah, wonderful New Year.
Spend as much time as you can with your family, your friends, the people you love and care about, because we do not know how much time we have left.
And why we're not hearing the music is beyond me, but it gives me an extra opportunity for a merry, merry Christmas.
Victor Hugo, Joaquin, Russ in absentia, we miss you, fella.
We know you would have had a lot to say.
We look forward to next week for the fearsome foursome back on Wednesday.